I have the 22" Samsung 3D Vision kit and I think its great. I'm in the market for a new TV, and especially now that CinemaNow will be selling 3D movies that are compatible with 3D Vision ( [url="http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/07/21/sonic-brings-3d-movies-into-the-home-via-cinemanow/"]here[/url] ), I want my home theater TV to be 3D Vision ready.
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102180&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T%2d%5f%2dPlasma%2d%5f%2dSAMSUNG%2d%5f%2d89102180"]here[/url].
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?
I have the 22" Samsung 3D Vision kit and I think its great. I'm in the market for a new TV, and especially now that CinemaNow will be selling 3D movies that are compatible with 3D Vision ( here ), I want my home theater TV to be 3D Vision ready.
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model here.
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?
[quote name='doubleagent' post='569817' date='Jul 25 2009, 01:33 PM']I have the 22" Samsung 3D Vision kit and I think its great. I'm in the market for a new TV, and especially now that CinemaNow will be selling 3D movies that are compatible with 3D Vision ( [url="http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/07/21/sonic-brings-3d-movies-into-the-home-via-cinemanow/"]here[/url] ), I want my home theater TV to be 3D Vision ready.
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102180&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T%2d%5f%2dPlasma%2d%5f%2dSAMSUNG%2d%5f%2d89102180"]here[/url].
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?[/quote]
I have the same question, has anyone used this ?
It's looks like a sweet t.v and that's one pretty good deal for a 50" display that's 3d ready !!
[quote name='doubleagent' post='569817' date='Jul 25 2009, 01:33 PM']I have the 22" Samsung 3D Vision kit and I think its great. I'm in the market for a new TV, and especially now that CinemaNow will be selling 3D movies that are compatible with 3D Vision ( here ), I want my home theater TV to be 3D Vision ready.
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model here.
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?
I have the same question, has anyone used this ?
It's looks like a sweet t.v and that's one pretty good deal for a 50" display that's 3d ready !!
I am currently using this Plasma for 3D.
Mine is an Australian model so am using PS50B450 (50inch), your model number will vary depending on country and I have B450 which is the model after what you guys are talking about which is the A450.
So I think USA would be PN instead of PS.
I paid 1600 in Australia for my plasma, yes we have a lot higher prices to pay over here so 899 or whatever you guys are paying would snap that up.
Feel free any questions regarding 3D on this screen.
Can tell you Nvidia 3D vision works fine with it.
One thing to keep in mind is the Plasma will only let you select 3D to on when it is receiving either 1024x768 or 1360x768 resolution, most games this isn't a problem but have come across some that don't have 1360x768 as a selectable resolution. I have managed to get around any issues by either editing .ini configuration file or hex editing a file to allow that resolution.
Games tried that allow 1360x768 resolution without edit are.
Ghostbusters, Fallout, Virtua Tennis 2009,Burnout, Street Fighter 4, Tombraider <-- will post more once I check can't remember all :)
Games that don't allow 1360x768 resolution without editing are.
Prototype ( I resolved this by getting a hex edit config file for the engine of this game) which works fine now.
I have extended the 3D synch cord that connects to the 3D synch port on the back of the plasma to the input port on the Nvidia IR emitter by 10 meters.
I did this using simple stereo adaptors and extension cords that you would use for extending headphones, which comprised of 2.5 and 3.5 cords and adaptors. Cost was about 14 bucks this meant I didn't have to have my PC right next to the Plasma and can be on computer table over other side of living room with it's own monitor which is the 2233RZ samsung (120hz) 3d ready screen. This way I can play on either screen and have 3D.
Sometimes want to kick back on couch with xbox 360 controller for PC with 50" 3D and sometimes feel like sitting at computer with mouse and keyboard at 22" 120hz screen. :)
Maybe once you guys get one we can start a post specifically for any information on Plasma 3D as I think there is a couple other guys that got this screen as well.
Big benefit of using the Plasma for 3D I can tell you straight away is you can adjust contrast and brightness and the cell light to whatever you want because you aren't locked to specific setting like the 2233RZ 22" monitor which Nvidia has so kindly locked down to specific adjustment as soon as you go 3D mode /whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
Mine is an Australian model so am using PS50B450 (50inch), your model number will vary depending on country and I have B450 which is the model after what you guys are talking about which is the A450.
So I think USA would be PN instead of PS.
I paid 1600 in Australia for my plasma, yes we have a lot higher prices to pay over here so 899 or whatever you guys are paying would snap that up.
Feel free any questions regarding 3D on this screen.
Can tell you Nvidia 3D vision works fine with it.
One thing to keep in mind is the Plasma will only let you select 3D to on when it is receiving either 1024x768 or 1360x768 resolution, most games this isn't a problem but have come across some that don't have 1360x768 as a selectable resolution. I have managed to get around any issues by either editing .ini configuration file or hex editing a file to allow that resolution.
Games tried that allow 1360x768 resolution without edit are.
Ghostbusters, Fallout, Virtua Tennis 2009,Burnout, Street Fighter 4, Tombraider <-- will post more once I check can't remember all :)
Games that don't allow 1360x768 resolution without editing are.
Prototype ( I resolved this by getting a hex edit config file for the engine of this game) which works fine now.
I have extended the 3D synch cord that connects to the 3D synch port on the back of the plasma to the input port on the Nvidia IR emitter by 10 meters.
I did this using simple stereo adaptors and extension cords that you would use for extending headphones, which comprised of 2.5 and 3.5 cords and adaptors. Cost was about 14 bucks this meant I didn't have to have my PC right next to the Plasma and can be on computer table over other side of living room with it's own monitor which is the 2233RZ samsung (120hz) 3d ready screen. This way I can play on either screen and have 3D.
Sometimes want to kick back on couch with xbox 360 controller for PC with 50" 3D and sometimes feel like sitting at computer with mouse and keyboard at 22" 120hz screen. :)
Maybe once you guys get one we can start a post specifically for any information on Plasma 3D as I think there is a couple other guys that got this screen as well.
Big benefit of using the Plasma for 3D I can tell you straight away is you can adjust contrast and brightness and the cell light to whatever you want because you aren't locked to specific setting like the 2233RZ 22" monitor which Nvidia has so kindly locked down to specific adjustment as soon as you go 3D mode /whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' />
I own the 50'' Samsung Plasma PS50A476P (PN50A450 in USA, PS50A450 in Australia, PS50A450P1 in Asia, PS50A476 in the UK and Europe) as far as I know the only 3D ready TV which you can buy in Europe, since 3D ready DLP TVs are not available in the European market. The newer Samsung full HD Plasma versions are not 3D ready, Samsung has initiallly announced that feature but dropped it for unknown reasons.
This TV has a native resolution of 1360x768 in 16:9 format. There is also a cheaper version with 42" (PS50A450P in Europe) which has only 1024x768 pixels but arranged also in 16:9 format, so PC input would be disorted.
The TV works fine with the nVidia and iZ3D stereo driver in 1360x768 (the native display resolution) and 1024x768 resolutions. First one in 16:9 and second one in 4:3 aspect ratio (with gray boarders left and right), so PC input is not disorted.
The TV supports checkerboard, horizontal and vertical interlacing and has a swap left/right option. I tried all three modes with the iZ3D driver and checkerboard mode gives the best results (nVidia only supports checkerboard in generic DLP mode, which must be used for the Plasma also).
Ghosting is the same as I used to have with my old CRT/shutter setups, in most games I do not notice it at all. The checkerboard pattern also cuts resolution a bit, but not as much as I thought. The effect looks similar to the film grain you can set in Left4Dead.
I had the hope I could use the 3D vision system also with the iZ3D driver, which in many aspects is better than that of nVidia, but though the emitter is synced by the VESA cable from the TV, it does not trigger the glasses if the nvidia 3D driver is deactivated.
But I found out that the old wireless ELSA Revelator glasses work well with the TV and iZ3D driver (on par with the 3D vision system, but less stylish and much cheaper on ebay). The Revelator VGA dongle is needless, but the emitter has a standard VESA connector which can be plugged into the TV 3D sync out port.
I also made a simple Y-adapter which allows me to connect the nVidia and ELSA transmitter at the same time to the TV.
Thus I have the choice to either use the nVidia 3D Vision system or the iZ3D/ELSA combo, thus getting the best from both worlds.
A good list of all available 3D ready displays/projectors can be found here:
[url="http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html"]http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html[/url]
I own the 50'' Samsung Plasma PS50A476P (PN50A450 in USA, PS50A450 in Australia, PS50A450P1 in Asia, PS50A476 in the UK and Europe) as far as I know the only 3D ready TV which you can buy in Europe, since 3D ready DLP TVs are not available in the European market. The newer Samsung full HD Plasma versions are not 3D ready, Samsung has initiallly announced that feature but dropped it for unknown reasons.
This TV has a native resolution of 1360x768 in 16:9 format. There is also a cheaper version with 42" (PS50A450P in Europe) which has only 1024x768 pixels but arranged also in 16:9 format, so PC input would be disorted.
The TV works fine with the nVidia and iZ3D stereo driver in 1360x768 (the native display resolution) and 1024x768 resolutions. First one in 16:9 and second one in 4:3 aspect ratio (with gray boarders left and right), so PC input is not disorted.
The TV supports checkerboard, horizontal and vertical interlacing and has a swap left/right option. I tried all three modes with the iZ3D driver and checkerboard mode gives the best results (nVidia only supports checkerboard in generic DLP mode, which must be used for the Plasma also).
Ghosting is the same as I used to have with my old CRT/shutter setups, in most games I do not notice it at all. The checkerboard pattern also cuts resolution a bit, but not as much as I thought. The effect looks similar to the film grain you can set in Left4Dead.
I had the hope I could use the 3D vision system also with the iZ3D driver, which in many aspects is better than that of nVidia, but though the emitter is synced by the VESA cable from the TV, it does not trigger the glasses if the nvidia 3D driver is deactivated.
But I found out that the old wireless ELSA Revelator glasses work well with the TV and iZ3D driver (on par with the 3D vision system, but less stylish and much cheaper on ebay). The Revelator VGA dongle is needless, but the emitter has a standard VESA connector which can be plugged into the TV 3D sync out port.
I also made a simple Y-adapter which allows me to connect the nVidia and ELSA transmitter at the same time to the TV.
Thus I have the choice to either use the nVidia 3D Vision system or the iZ3D/ELSA combo, thus getting the best from both worlds.
A good list of all available 3D ready displays/projectors can be found here:
[quote name='doubleagent' post='570226' date='Jul 26 2009, 08:09 PM']Stupid question...Is the 3D input on the VGA port or HDMI ports?[/quote]
Its on one of the HDMI ports. So you need a DVI to HDMI cable (or of course a nVidia card with HDMI output) to connect to the PC. This cable is included in the US version of the 3D Vidion system, as is the VESA cable.
Both cables are not included in the European 3D vision version, though it is more expensive here, arrrg!
[quote name='doubleagent' post='570226' date='Jul 26 2009, 08:09 PM']Stupid question...Is the 3D input on the VGA port or HDMI ports?
Its on one of the HDMI ports. So you need a DVI to HDMI cable (or of course a nVidia card with HDMI output) to connect to the PC. This cable is included in the US version of the 3D Vidion system, as is the VESA cable.
Both cables are not included in the European 3D vision version, though it is more expensive here, arrrg!
I looked at getting a plasma too but instead settled on a DLP I found at a great price. The reason I didn't go with plasma is becaus of phosphor burn-in. It doesn't seem like a good idea to use the plasma if you are going to have your desktop there. The DLP has it's own faults, but they don't involve a permanently burned in image of my desktop. The ideal setup would be a large LCD, but there are none available as far as I know.
I looked at getting a plasma too but instead settled on a DLP I found at a great price. The reason I didn't go with plasma is becaus of phosphor burn-in. It doesn't seem like a good idea to use the plasma if you are going to have your desktop there. The DLP has it's own faults, but they don't involve a permanently burned in image of my desktop. The ideal setup would be a large LCD, but there are none available as far as I know.
[quote name='AlbertEinstein' post='570258' date='Jul 26 2009, 05:08 PM']I looked at getting a plasma too but instead settled on a DLP I found at a great price. The reason I didn't go with plasma is becaus of phosphor burn-in. It doesn't seem like a good idea to use the plasma if you are going to have your desktop there. The DLP has it's own faults, but they don't involve a permanently burned in image of my desktop. The ideal setup would be a large LCD, but there are none available as far as I know.[/quote]
I'm moving into an apartment and I won't have room for a DLP. I think plasma burn in trouble is overstated. I'm not going to use it for my primary display...only for games. I'd really like to get one of those laser DLPs...way too expensive.
[quote name='AlbertEinstein' post='570258' date='Jul 26 2009, 05:08 PM']I looked at getting a plasma too but instead settled on a DLP I found at a great price. The reason I didn't go with plasma is becaus of phosphor burn-in. It doesn't seem like a good idea to use the plasma if you are going to have your desktop there. The DLP has it's own faults, but they don't involve a permanently burned in image of my desktop. The ideal setup would be a large LCD, but there are none available as far as I know.
I'm moving into an apartment and I won't have room for a DLP. I think plasma burn in trouble is overstated. I'm not going to use it for my primary display...only for games. I'd really like to get one of those laser DLPs...way too expensive.
Plasma's don't really get burn in any longer so don't worry, years ago I think it was an issue.
You do still get IR (Image Retention) when a HUD of a game or static image is on the screen for too long but this goes away by either using the Samsung's scrolling feature which washes the screen or by watching full screen content over a few hours etc. <-- Amount of time it takes for the IR to go depends how long the static image was on screen, again its no big problem and I now just game or watch movies with black bars at side or top of screen without worrying about it at all.
I have had IR fair few times now but it goes easily.
I also did the break in period of the first 120 hours where you keep brightness and contrast to about 50, I used combination of watching full screen content and a breakin DVD which was running off my computer when I slept which is 5 or so colours that fade to different shades of that colour. You can download this for free and it's length runs for 24hours, I just mounted the .iso with a DVD program and let it play instead of burning to a disc.
3D definitely benefits from being able to control brightness/contrast/cell settings of the screen, also there is a energy saving amount low/med/high or off which controls the screen.
Still playing around for best settings and I haven't even touched Nvidia control panel contrast/brightness/gamma etc settings yet.
So far have found
Label HDMI/DVI connection to PC <- Still unsure whether this does anything but have read about labeling of inputs isn't simply labeling but does reduce DVI/HDMI lag so it could very well help.
Put 3D to mode 2 on the Plasma
Dynamic setting
Brightness to 100
Contrast to 100
Adjust the cell to 0,1,2 or 3 depending on game and time of day. And also energy saving amount low/med or high gives really good results for 3D.
I am laying on a couch about 3 meters from the screen and received great 3D results with some stereoscopic movies and gaming.
I have read also that DLP suffer from bad viewing of Text on screen just due to the nature of DLP's which I don't get with Plasma, also DLP still aren't ghost free and nothing is due to the shutterglasses method.
3D on a 50" is a different beast than on a 22" monitor :)
Plasma's don't really get burn in any longer so don't worry, years ago I think it was an issue.
You do still get IR (Image Retention) when a HUD of a game or static image is on the screen for too long but this goes away by either using the Samsung's scrolling feature which washes the screen or by watching full screen content over a few hours etc. <-- Amount of time it takes for the IR to go depends how long the static image was on screen, again its no big problem and I now just game or watch movies with black bars at side or top of screen without worrying about it at all.
I have had IR fair few times now but it goes easily.
I also did the break in period of the first 120 hours where you keep brightness and contrast to about 50, I used combination of watching full screen content and a breakin DVD which was running off my computer when I slept which is 5 or so colours that fade to different shades of that colour. You can download this for free and it's length runs for 24hours, I just mounted the .iso with a DVD program and let it play instead of burning to a disc.
3D definitely benefits from being able to control brightness/contrast/cell settings of the screen, also there is a energy saving amount low/med/high or off which controls the screen.
Still playing around for best settings and I haven't even touched Nvidia control panel contrast/brightness/gamma etc settings yet.
So far have found
Label HDMI/DVI connection to PC <- Still unsure whether this does anything but have read about labeling of inputs isn't simply labeling but does reduce DVI/HDMI lag so it could very well help.
Put 3D to mode 2 on the Plasma
Dynamic setting
Brightness to 100
Contrast to 100
Adjust the cell to 0,1,2 or 3 depending on game and time of day. And also energy saving amount low/med or high gives really good results for 3D.
I am laying on a couch about 3 meters from the screen and received great 3D results with some stereoscopic movies and gaming.
I have read also that DLP suffer from bad viewing of Text on screen just due to the nature of DLP's which I don't get with Plasma, also DLP still aren't ghost free and nothing is due to the shutterglasses method.
3D on a 50" is a different beast than on a 22" monitor :)
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102180&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T%2d%5f%2dPlasma%2d%5f%2dSAMSUNG%2d%5f%2d89102180"]here[/url].
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model here.
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889102180&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T%2d%5f%2dPlasma%2d%5f%2dSAMSUNG%2d%5f%2d89102180"]here[/url].
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?[/quote]
I have the same question, has anyone used this ?
It's looks like a sweet t.v and that's one pretty good deal for a 50" display that's 3d ready !!
WOW! I want one..
It seems that only Mitsubishi is the only manufacturer making new 3D ready TVs. I do not have room for a DLP, Samsung had made 2 3d ready plasmas in the past that you can still purchase on the internet. I am interested in the 50" model here.
Has anyone used this? I noticed that this is the only plasma ever that supported 3d vision, is there a reason for it?
I have the same question, has anyone used this ?
It's looks like a sweet t.v and that's one pretty good deal for a 50" display that's 3d ready !!
WOW! I want one..
Mine is an Australian model so am using PS50B450 (50inch), your model number will vary depending on country and I have B450 which is the model after what you guys are talking about which is the A450.
So I think USA would be PN instead of PS.
I paid 1600 in Australia for my plasma, yes we have a lot higher prices to pay over here so 899 or whatever you guys are paying would snap that up.
Feel free any questions regarding 3D on this screen.
Can tell you Nvidia 3D vision works fine with it.
One thing to keep in mind is the Plasma will only let you select 3D to on when it is receiving either 1024x768 or 1360x768 resolution, most games this isn't a problem but have come across some that don't have 1360x768 as a selectable resolution. I have managed to get around any issues by either editing .ini configuration file or hex editing a file to allow that resolution.
Games tried that allow 1360x768 resolution without edit are.
Ghostbusters, Fallout, Virtua Tennis 2009,Burnout, Street Fighter 4, Tombraider <-- will post more once I check can't remember all :)
Games that don't allow 1360x768 resolution without editing are.
Prototype ( I resolved this by getting a hex edit config file for the engine of this game) which works fine now.
I have extended the 3D synch cord that connects to the 3D synch port on the back of the plasma to the input port on the Nvidia IR emitter by 10 meters.
I did this using simple stereo adaptors and extension cords that you would use for extending headphones, which comprised of 2.5 and 3.5 cords and adaptors. Cost was about 14 bucks this meant I didn't have to have my PC right next to the Plasma and can be on computer table over other side of living room with it's own monitor which is the 2233RZ samsung (120hz) 3d ready screen. This way I can play on either screen and have 3D.
Sometimes want to kick back on couch with xbox 360 controller for PC with 50" 3D and sometimes feel like sitting at computer with mouse and keyboard at 22" 120hz screen. :)
Maybe once you guys get one we can start a post specifically for any information on Plasma 3D as I think there is a couple other guys that got this screen as well.
Big benefit of using the Plasma for 3D I can tell you straight away is you can adjust contrast and brightness and the cell light to whatever you want because you aren't locked to specific setting like the 2233RZ 22" monitor which Nvidia has so kindly locked down to specific adjustment as soon as you go 3D mode
Mine is an Australian model so am using PS50B450 (50inch), your model number will vary depending on country and I have B450 which is the model after what you guys are talking about which is the A450.
So I think USA would be PN instead of PS.
I paid 1600 in Australia for my plasma, yes we have a lot higher prices to pay over here so 899 or whatever you guys are paying would snap that up.
Feel free any questions regarding 3D on this screen.
Can tell you Nvidia 3D vision works fine with it.
One thing to keep in mind is the Plasma will only let you select 3D to on when it is receiving either 1024x768 or 1360x768 resolution, most games this isn't a problem but have come across some that don't have 1360x768 as a selectable resolution. I have managed to get around any issues by either editing .ini configuration file or hex editing a file to allow that resolution.
Games tried that allow 1360x768 resolution without edit are.
Ghostbusters, Fallout, Virtua Tennis 2009,Burnout, Street Fighter 4, Tombraider <-- will post more once I check can't remember all :)
Games that don't allow 1360x768 resolution without editing are.
Prototype ( I resolved this by getting a hex edit config file for the engine of this game) which works fine now.
I have extended the 3D synch cord that connects to the 3D synch port on the back of the plasma to the input port on the Nvidia IR emitter by 10 meters.
I did this using simple stereo adaptors and extension cords that you would use for extending headphones, which comprised of 2.5 and 3.5 cords and adaptors. Cost was about 14 bucks this meant I didn't have to have my PC right next to the Plasma and can be on computer table over other side of living room with it's own monitor which is the 2233RZ samsung (120hz) 3d ready screen. This way I can play on either screen and have 3D.
Sometimes want to kick back on couch with xbox 360 controller for PC with 50" 3D and sometimes feel like sitting at computer with mouse and keyboard at 22" 120hz screen. :)
Maybe once you guys get one we can start a post specifically for any information on Plasma 3D as I think there is a couple other guys that got this screen as well.
Big benefit of using the Plasma for 3D I can tell you straight away is you can adjust contrast and brightness and the cell light to whatever you want because you aren't locked to specific setting like the 2233RZ 22" monitor which Nvidia has so kindly locked down to specific adjustment as soon as you go 3D mode
Is ghosting less of a problem because brightness/contrast can be adjusted?
Is ghosting less of a problem because brightness/contrast can be adjusted?
This TV has a native resolution of 1360x768 in 16:9 format. There is also a cheaper version with 42" (PS50A450P in Europe) which has only 1024x768 pixels but arranged also in 16:9 format, so PC input would be disorted.
The TV works fine with the nVidia and iZ3D stereo driver in 1360x768 (the native display resolution) and 1024x768 resolutions. First one in 16:9 and second one in 4:3 aspect ratio (with gray boarders left and right), so PC input is not disorted.
The TV supports checkerboard, horizontal and vertical interlacing and has a swap left/right option. I tried all three modes with the iZ3D driver and checkerboard mode gives the best results (nVidia only supports checkerboard in generic DLP mode, which must be used for the Plasma also).
Ghosting is the same as I used to have with my old CRT/shutter setups, in most games I do not notice it at all. The checkerboard pattern also cuts resolution a bit, but not as much as I thought. The effect looks similar to the film grain you can set in Left4Dead.
I had the hope I could use the 3D vision system also with the iZ3D driver, which in many aspects is better than that of nVidia, but though the emitter is synced by the VESA cable from the TV, it does not trigger the glasses if the nvidia 3D driver is deactivated.
But I found out that the old wireless ELSA Revelator glasses work well with the TV and iZ3D driver (on par with the 3D vision system, but less stylish and much cheaper on ebay). The Revelator VGA dongle is needless, but the emitter has a standard VESA connector which can be plugged into the TV 3D sync out port.
I also made a simple Y-adapter which allows me to connect the nVidia and ELSA transmitter at the same time to the TV.
Thus I have the choice to either use the nVidia 3D Vision system or the iZ3D/ELSA combo, thus getting the best from both worlds.
A good list of all available 3D ready displays/projectors can be found here:
[url="http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html"]http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html[/url]
This TV has a native resolution of 1360x768 in 16:9 format. There is also a cheaper version with 42" (PS50A450P in Europe) which has only 1024x768 pixels but arranged also in 16:9 format, so PC input would be disorted.
The TV works fine with the nVidia and iZ3D stereo driver in 1360x768 (the native display resolution) and 1024x768 resolutions. First one in 16:9 and second one in 4:3 aspect ratio (with gray boarders left and right), so PC input is not disorted.
The TV supports checkerboard, horizontal and vertical interlacing and has a swap left/right option. I tried all three modes with the iZ3D driver and checkerboard mode gives the best results (nVidia only supports checkerboard in generic DLP mode, which must be used for the Plasma also).
Ghosting is the same as I used to have with my old CRT/shutter setups, in most games I do not notice it at all. The checkerboard pattern also cuts resolution a bit, but not as much as I thought. The effect looks similar to the film grain you can set in Left4Dead.
I had the hope I could use the 3D vision system also with the iZ3D driver, which in many aspects is better than that of nVidia, but though the emitter is synced by the VESA cable from the TV, it does not trigger the glasses if the nvidia 3D driver is deactivated.
But I found out that the old wireless ELSA Revelator glasses work well with the TV and iZ3D driver (on par with the 3D vision system, but less stylish and much cheaper on ebay). The Revelator VGA dongle is needless, but the emitter has a standard VESA connector which can be plugged into the TV 3D sync out port.
I also made a simple Y-adapter which allows me to connect the nVidia and ELSA transmitter at the same time to the TV.
Thus I have the choice to either use the nVidia 3D Vision system or the iZ3D/ELSA combo, thus getting the best from both worlds.
A good list of all available 3D ready displays/projectors can be found here:
http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html
Its on one of the HDMI ports. So you need a DVI to HDMI cable (or of course a nVidia card with HDMI output) to connect to the PC. This cable is included in the US version of the 3D Vidion system, as is the VESA cable.
Both cables are not included in the European 3D vision version, though it is more expensive here, arrrg!
Its on one of the HDMI ports. So you need a DVI to HDMI cable (or of course a nVidia card with HDMI output) to connect to the PC. This cable is included in the US version of the 3D Vidion system, as is the VESA cable.
Both cables are not included in the European 3D vision version, though it is more expensive here, arrrg!
I'm moving into an apartment and I won't have room for a DLP. I think plasma burn in trouble is overstated. I'm not going to use it for my primary display...only for games. I'd really like to get one of those laser DLPs...way too expensive.
I'm moving into an apartment and I won't have room for a DLP. I think plasma burn in trouble is overstated. I'm not going to use it for my primary display...only for games. I'd really like to get one of those laser DLPs...way too expensive.
You do still get IR (Image Retention) when a HUD of a game or static image is on the screen for too long but this goes away by either using the Samsung's scrolling feature which washes the screen or by watching full screen content over a few hours etc. <-- Amount of time it takes for the IR to go depends how long the static image was on screen, again its no big problem and I now just game or watch movies with black bars at side or top of screen without worrying about it at all.
I have had IR fair few times now but it goes easily.
I also did the break in period of the first 120 hours where you keep brightness and contrast to about 50, I used combination of watching full screen content and a breakin DVD which was running off my computer when I slept which is 5 or so colours that fade to different shades of that colour. You can download this for free and it's length runs for 24hours, I just mounted the .iso with a DVD program and let it play instead of burning to a disc.
3D definitely benefits from being able to control brightness/contrast/cell settings of the screen, also there is a energy saving amount low/med/high or off which controls the screen.
Still playing around for best settings and I haven't even touched Nvidia control panel contrast/brightness/gamma etc settings yet.
So far have found
Label HDMI/DVI connection to PC <- Still unsure whether this does anything but have read about labeling of inputs isn't simply labeling but does reduce DVI/HDMI lag so it could very well help.
Put 3D to mode 2 on the Plasma
Dynamic setting
Brightness to 100
Contrast to 100
Adjust the cell to 0,1,2 or 3 depending on game and time of day. And also energy saving amount low/med or high gives really good results for 3D.
I am laying on a couch about 3 meters from the screen and received great 3D results with some stereoscopic movies and gaming.
I have read also that DLP suffer from bad viewing of Text on screen just due to the nature of DLP's which I don't get with Plasma, also DLP still aren't ghost free and nothing is due to the shutterglasses method.
3D on a 50" is a different beast than on a 22" monitor :)
You do still get IR (Image Retention) when a HUD of a game or static image is on the screen for too long but this goes away by either using the Samsung's scrolling feature which washes the screen or by watching full screen content over a few hours etc. <-- Amount of time it takes for the IR to go depends how long the static image was on screen, again its no big problem and I now just game or watch movies with black bars at side or top of screen without worrying about it at all.
I have had IR fair few times now but it goes easily.
I also did the break in period of the first 120 hours where you keep brightness and contrast to about 50, I used combination of watching full screen content and a breakin DVD which was running off my computer when I slept which is 5 or so colours that fade to different shades of that colour. You can download this for free and it's length runs for 24hours, I just mounted the .iso with a DVD program and let it play instead of burning to a disc.
3D definitely benefits from being able to control brightness/contrast/cell settings of the screen, also there is a energy saving amount low/med/high or off which controls the screen.
Still playing around for best settings and I haven't even touched Nvidia control panel contrast/brightness/gamma etc settings yet.
So far have found
Label HDMI/DVI connection to PC <- Still unsure whether this does anything but have read about labeling of inputs isn't simply labeling but does reduce DVI/HDMI lag so it could very well help.
Put 3D to mode 2 on the Plasma
Dynamic setting
Brightness to 100
Contrast to 100
Adjust the cell to 0,1,2 or 3 depending on game and time of day. And also energy saving amount low/med or high gives really good results for 3D.
I am laying on a couch about 3 meters from the screen and received great 3D results with some stereoscopic movies and gaming.
I have read also that DLP suffer from bad viewing of Text on screen just due to the nature of DLP's which I don't get with Plasma, also DLP still aren't ghost free and nothing is due to the shutterglasses method.
3D on a 50" is a different beast than on a 22" monitor :)
So this t.v should be 3d vision compatible eh ? :D
Think I'm gonna go grab it in the morning ;)
So this t.v should be 3d vision compatible eh ? :D
Think I'm gonna go grab it in the morning ;)