I need an EXPERTs help on 3dTV / 3D vision 3d vision vs 3d play
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I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
2011 has seen a huge jump in 3d image quality according to many reviews. I've seen it myself. My Sharp 46" LE835 has almost no crosstalk in some screenshots where it is a blurry mess on my 2010 Sony NX711 (NX710). There is also no reduction in 3D effect at the top and bottom of the screen, or its very, very subtle. It also has very little effect on color reproduction when putting on the glasses and the brightness decrease is about what my Sony glasses do when i put them on [u][b][size="4"]without the shutters going[/size][/b][/u]! The input lag is cut in half too. I returned the Sharp because of a weird 2d image processing problem which destroyed the small details in 2D mode.
Avoid the Sony EX's, horrible crosstalk, on those, which i saw myself.
If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model. I'm still considering it, with a custom stand, but i love these HDTV now. Lots of nice image settings, like sharpening and "picture", etc.
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
2011 has seen a huge jump in 3d image quality according to many reviews. I've seen it myself. My Sharp 46" LE835 has almost no crosstalk in some screenshots where it is a blurry mess on my 2010 Sony NX711 (NX710). There is also no reduction in 3D effect at the top and bottom of the screen, or its very, very subtle. It also has very little effect on color reproduction when putting on the glasses and the brightness decrease is about what my Sony glasses do when i put them on without the shutters going! The input lag is cut in half too. I returned the Sharp because of a weird 2d image processing problem which destroyed the small details in 2D mode.
Avoid the Sony EX's, horrible crosstalk, on those, which i saw myself.
If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model. I'm still considering it, with a custom stand, but i love these HDTV now. Lots of nice image settings, like sharpening and "picture", etc.
[quote name='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 03:40 AM' timestamp='1314067218' post='1282867']
I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
[img]http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/commandowrong.gif[/img]
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By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
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Checkerboard is worse than SBS, SBS has better temporal stability, you should read about it at http://avsforum.com
[quote name='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 03:40 AM' timestamp='1314067218' post='1282867']
I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
Checkerboard is worse than SBS, SBS has better temporal stability, you should read about it at http://avsforum.com
[quote name='Libertine' date='22 August 2011 - 08:40 PM' timestamp='1314067218' post='1282867']
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution[/quote]
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.
[quote]If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model. [/quote]
People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion. That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV. Of course this is wrong. If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience.
A 4" gameboy at a distance of 4" is not the same as a 100" screen at a distance of 100".
[quote name='Libertine' date='22 August 2011 - 08:40 PM' timestamp='1314067218' post='1282867']
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.
If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model.
People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion. That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV. Of course this is wrong. If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience.
A 4" gameboy at a distance of 4" is not the same as a 100" screen at a distance of 100".
[quote name='roller11' date='23 August 2011 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1314120503' post='1283211']
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.[/quote]
Im not saying its bad, but that your definition of native resolution is wrong and misleading and i wish we could have this conversion in person so that you wouldn't bother replying...
[quote]People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion.[/quote]
That its common and that people do that to begin with is your [expletive] assumption and guess, that you stupidly stated as fact, like a ****ing moron.
[quote]That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV. [/quote]
So HMD's are worthless and have not been reviewed as incredible and amazing, right genius?
[quote]Of course this is wrong.[/quote]
I'd bet i have more experience just experimenting with fresnel lenses and pulling my monitor closer than you have gaming.
[quote]If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience. [/quote]
You do your own polls, i underestimated you. No! People who "commonly" buy 55" screens watch it from 8 feet away and they use it for console gaming with friends and family. I've never even heard of someone using a Tv as a PC display until 3DTV's came out. Unlike 2D, in 3D your eyes can focus in the distance, making it more comfortable. You don't have to cross your eyes to see a small item in the center of the screen. Is it the only thing that effects immersion? Take a wild ****ing guess...
[quote name='roller11' date='23 August 2011 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1314120503' post='1283211']
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.
Im not saying its bad, but that your definition of native resolution is wrong and misleading and i wish we could have this conversion in person so that you wouldn't bother replying...
People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion.
That its common and that people do that to begin with is your [expletive] assumption and guess, that you stupidly stated as fact, like a ****ing moron.
That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV.
So HMD's are worthless and have not been reviewed as incredible and amazing, right genius?
Of course this is wrong.
I'd bet i have more experience just experimenting with fresnel lenses and pulling my monitor closer than you have gaming.
If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience.
You do your own polls, i underestimated you. No! People who "commonly" buy 55" screens watch it from 8 feet away and they use it for console gaming with friends and family. I've never even heard of someone using a Tv as a PC display until 3DTV's came out. Unlike 2D, in 3D your eyes can focus in the distance, making it more comfortable. You don't have to cross your eyes to see a small item in the center of the screen. Is it the only thing that effects immersion? Take a wild ****ing guess...
[quote name='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1314137376' post='1283325']
your definition of native resolution is wrong[/quote]
Oh really? And is CBS "wrong" when they say their HD broadcasts are 1920x1080? What about NBC, are they also lying? How about the CW? How about Nvidia? They claim 1080i = 1920x1080. Another lie? Are you the only one on earth who knows the correct definition and everyone else is wrong? According to you, CBS,NBC, CW are broadcasting 1920x540, so are they lying, or are you just smarter than they are?
You and your little buddy Tritosine have a tough battle, you are trying to convince people that 1920x1080 image mapped 1 to 1 to a 1920x1080 fixed pixel display isn't native resolution and it looks horrible.
People aren't as dumb as you think they are, they are immuned to your BS. That's why you constantly lose these debates as proven by Nostalgia85's post. He ignores your irrational attempt at deception and takes my advice.
[quote] ****ing moron.[/quote]
If gaming on a 15" monitor at 15" distance was "just as good" as gaming at on a 100" display at 100" distance, then people would simply buy $50 monitors instead of 55" HDTVs costing 40 times as much. The fact that people don't buy $50 monitors proves I'm right and you're wrong.
BTW, your constant use of profanity, name calling, and attempt to incite is against the terms of service.
It's well established that you bought a native resolution incapable display, a Sony 1920x1080 thus dooming you to ugly 1280x720P. Yeah, that was a screwup for sure. Ever since then you've been attempting to rationalize your mistake by telling people that you were the smart one all along, 1280x720 beats 1920x1080. You attempt to back up your pathetic assertions with "some guy said" irrelevant reviews such as the ones you reference in post #31 above.
[quote name='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1314137376' post='1283325']
your definition of native resolution is wrong
Oh really? And is CBS "wrong" when they say their HD broadcasts are 1920x1080? What about NBC, are they also lying? How about the CW? How about Nvidia? They claim 1080i = 1920x1080. Another lie? Are you the only one on earth who knows the correct definition and everyone else is wrong? According to you, CBS,NBC, CW are broadcasting 1920x540, so are they lying, or are you just smarter than they are?
You and your little buddy Tritosine have a tough battle, you are trying to convince people that 1920x1080 image mapped 1 to 1 to a 1920x1080 fixed pixel display isn't native resolution and it looks horrible.
People aren't as dumb as you think they are, they are immuned to your BS. That's why you constantly lose these debates as proven by Nostalgia85's post. He ignores your irrational attempt at deception and takes my advice.
****ing moron.
If gaming on a 15" monitor at 15" distance was "just as good" as gaming at on a 100" display at 100" distance, then people would simply buy $50 monitors instead of 55" HDTVs costing 40 times as much. The fact that people don't buy $50 monitors proves I'm right and you're wrong.
BTW, your constant use of profanity, name calling, and attempt to incite is against the terms of service.
It's well established that you bought a native resolution incapable display, a Sony 1920x1080 thus dooming you to ugly 1280x720P. Yeah, that was a screwup for sure. Ever since then you've been attempting to rationalize your mistake by telling people that you were the smart one all along, 1280x720 beats 1920x1080. You attempt to back up your pathetic assertions with "some guy said" irrelevant reviews such as the ones you reference in post #31 above.
as roller recommand i bought 55D7000 samsung 3dTV , 3d vision kits,
im trying to install, but from the 3d vision kit emittor i see two output. one is miniusb connet to desktop USB
the other one is VASA cable like i attached, but the end, 3pin, i dont' know where to put..im assuing it goes in to TV but my Tv doens't have any output like that
any help?
as roller recommand i bought 55D7000 samsung 3dTV , 3d vision kits,
im trying to install, but from the 3d vision kit emittor i see two output. one is miniusb connet to desktop USB
the other one is VASA cable like i attached, but the end, 3pin, i dont' know where to put..im assuing it goes in to TV but my Tv doens't have any output like that
[quote name='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 11:12 PM' timestamp='1314137542' post='1283326']
I know its true, because i've ran into at least 2 discussions about it.
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http://cmst.curtin.edu.au/local/docs/pubs/2010-23_understanding_crosstalk_woods.pdf
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
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I can confirmthat ghosting can indeed show on some DLP displays.
Dont understand how, since the tech should theoretically never be able to ghost - but my acer h5360 shows absolutely zero ghosting, wheras my Optoma GT720 shows some ghosting in high contrast areas (and strong ghosting when you dont select 'nvidia' 3d vision mode)
Kinda makes me think its a decoding issue with the projecter.
regardless - even the worst ghosting on a DLP, is better then the best ghosting on an LCD...
ive tried a number of different techs, and i would only recomend DLP at the moment, even though it is more hastle to use than a simple monitor/TV. (blocking out ambient light etc)
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
I can confirmthat ghosting can indeed show on some DLP displays.
Dont understand how, since the tech should theoretically never be able to ghost - but my acer h5360 shows absolutely zero ghosting, wheras my Optoma GT720 shows some ghosting in high contrast areas (and strong ghosting when you dont select 'nvidia' 3d vision mode)
Kinda makes me think its a decoding issue with the projecter.
regardless - even the worst ghosting on a DLP, is better then the best ghosting on an LCD...
ive tried a number of different techs, and i would only recomend DLP at the moment, even though it is more hastle to use than a simple monitor/TV. (blocking out ambient light etc)
Well, maybe optoma scrambled it , and/ or timing issues. It s all up to the glasses.
-don't forget you can rebuild old 50-60-70" RPTV into a rear projection rig and you have best of both worlds, & its way cheaper and betterthan rebadged TV-s, or front projection with silvery , colorshifting paint jobs ( yuck).
Don't choose CRT TV if you plan to do this, LCD , LCOS, DLP are good.
Well, maybe optoma scrambled it , and/ or timing issues. It s all up to the glasses.
-don't forget you can rebuild old 50-60-70" RPTV into a rear projection rig and you have best of both worlds, & its way cheaper and betterthan rebadged TV-s, or front projection with silvery , colorshifting paint jobs ( yuck).
Don't choose CRT TV if you plan to do this, LCD , LCOS, DLP are good.
dont let the display manufactures grab your money until they make something that does not suck. go to the stores and see for yourself. bring your computer, run the game metro 2033 at max depth, if you see any errors in the image the tv sucks! dont buy it. A DLP will have a perfect 3d image- all with the same checkerboard Samsung run. there is nothing new or magical about checkerboard, we have seen it since 07, and ive seen it on the sammys, its great minus the ghosting!
no "screen door" bs or ghosting on these mits. i own one. don't believe people who got duped into buying junk 3d tv's and are now saying they are better this year, almost no ghosting! there hasn't been ghosting on mits dlp since 07!!!
why are any 3d image errors acceptable on super expensive tvs?
dont let the display manufactures grab your money until they make something that does not suck. go to the stores and see for yourself. bring your computer, run the game metro 2033 at max depth, if you see any errors in the image the tv sucks! dont buy it. A DLP will have a perfect 3d image- all with the same checkerboard Samsung run. there is nothing new or magical about checkerboard, we have seen it since 07, and ive seen it on the sammys, its great minus the ghosting!
no "screen door" bs or ghosting on these mits. i own one. don't believe people who got duped into buying junk 3d tv's and are now saying they are better this year, almost no ghosting! there hasn't been ghosting on mits dlp since 07!!!
why are any 3d image errors acceptable on super expensive tvs?
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
[quote]
why are any 3d image errors acceptable on super expensive tvs? [/quote]
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/love_affair_with_tvs_ends_a1RikT9zccfxYzpDLXx4iN
[quote]But there is little enthusiasm for the new technology, even from sports people. "3-D on TV is a bust," says Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks and head of HDNet.
"On the Mavs run to an NBA championship, despite me always throwing stuff at the 3-D cameras and having fun with them, not a single person mentioned the 3-D broadcast to me."
Swann believes 3-D has scared and confused consumers -- and is now tanking the entire retail television marketplace.[/quote]
But there is little enthusiasm for the new technology, even from sports people. "3-D on TV is a bust," says Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks and head of HDNet.
"On the Mavs run to an NBA championship, despite me always throwing stuff at the 3-D cameras and having fun with them, not a single person mentioned the 3-D broadcast to me."
Swann believes 3-D has scared and confused consumers -- and is now tanking the entire retail television marketplace.
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
2011 has seen a huge jump in 3d image quality according to many reviews. I've seen it myself. My Sharp 46" LE835 has almost no crosstalk in some screenshots where it is a blurry mess on my 2010 Sony NX711 (NX710). There is also no reduction in 3D effect at the top and bottom of the screen, or its very, very subtle. It also has very little effect on color reproduction when putting on the glasses and the brightness decrease is about what my Sony glasses do when i put them on [u][b][size="4"]without the shutters going[/size][/b][/u]! The input lag is cut in half too. I returned the Sharp because of a weird 2d image processing problem which destroyed the small details in 2D mode.
Avoid the Sony EX's, horrible crosstalk, on those, which i saw myself.
If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model. I'm still considering it, with a custom stand, but i love these HDTV now. Lots of nice image settings, like sharpening and "picture", etc.
Review sites:
DigitalVersus
Televisioninfo.com
FlatpanelsHD
TrustedReviews
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
2011 has seen a huge jump in 3d image quality according to many reviews. I've seen it myself. My Sharp 46" LE835 has almost no crosstalk in some screenshots where it is a blurry mess on my 2010 Sony NX711 (NX710). There is also no reduction in 3D effect at the top and bottom of the screen, or its very, very subtle. It also has very little effect on color reproduction when putting on the glasses and the brightness decrease is about what my Sony glasses do when i put them on without the shutters going! The input lag is cut in half too. I returned the Sharp because of a weird 2d image processing problem which destroyed the small details in 2D mode.
Avoid the Sony EX's, horrible crosstalk, on those, which i saw myself.
If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model. I'm still considering it, with a custom stand, but i love these HDTV now. Lots of nice image settings, like sharpening and "picture", etc.
Review sites:
DigitalVersus
Televisioninfo.com
FlatpanelsHD
TrustedReviews
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
[img]http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/commandowrong.gif[/img]
[quote]
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution, but unscaled, making it sharper supposedly. Yet he says it look identical to side-by-side, which i've tried and it looks just like 720p with 2x or 4x AA. Btw, you are limited realistically to 720p using 3DTV Play.
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Checkerboard is worse than SBS, SBS has better temporal stability, you should read about it at http://avsforum.com
I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
Checkerboard is worse than SBS, SBS has better temporal stability, you should read about it at http://avsforum.com
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution[/quote]
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.
[quote]If you want full 1080p 3d, consider the 27" Asus, you can always pull it closer to you and have the same field of view as a larger model. [/quote]
People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion. That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV. Of course this is wrong. If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience.
A 4" gameboy at a distance of 4" is not the same as a 100" screen at a distance of 100".
By "native resolution" Rollor means half-resolution
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.
People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion. That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV. Of course this is wrong. If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience.
A 4" gameboy at a distance of 4" is not the same as a 100" screen at a distance of 100".
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.[/quote]
Im not saying its bad, but that your definition of native resolution is wrong and misleading and i wish we could have this conversion in person so that you wouldn't bother replying...
[quote]People make the common mistake of assuming that FOV is the only thing that affects the perception of immersion.[/quote]
That its common and that people do that to begin with is your [expletive] assumption and guess, that you stupidly stated as fact, like a ****ing moron.
[quote]That is, one can simply move a tiny screen closer and that's "just as good" as a big screen further away given the same FOV. [/quote]
So HMD's are worthless and have not been reviewed as incredible and amazing, right genius?
[quote]Of course this is wrong.[/quote]
I'd bet i have more experience just experimenting with fresnel lenses and pulling my monitor closer than you have gaming.
[quote]If this were true, everybody would buy 15" monitors costing $50 and place it 15" from their nose. Instead, people commonly buy full sized 55" and up displays for $1500-$2000 to get a true "in game immersion" experience. [/quote]
You do your own polls, i underestimated you. No! People who "commonly" buy 55" screens watch it from 8 feet away and they use it for console gaming with friends and family. I've never even heard of someone using a Tv as a PC display until 3DTV's came out. Unlike 2D, in 3D your eyes can focus in the distance, making it more comfortable. You don't have to cross your eyes to see a small item in the center of the screen. Is it the only thing that effects immersion? Take a wild ****ing guess...
By "native resolution" I mean "native resolution". Each of the 1920x1080 pixels in each frame is 1 to 1 mapped to the corresponding fixed pixel on the 1920x1080 display. That's known as "native resolution". Of course Libertine would know nothing about this since he has never observed CB on a samsung 3DTV. Like Tritosine, he believes in "some guy said" testimony instead of eyewitness observation.
Im not saying its bad, but that your definition of native resolution is wrong and misleading and i wish we could have this conversion in person so that you wouldn't bother replying...
That its common and that people do that to begin with is your [expletive] assumption and guess, that you stupidly stated as fact, like a ****ing moron.
So HMD's are worthless and have not been reviewed as incredible and amazing, right genius?
I'd bet i have more experience just experimenting with fresnel lenses and pulling my monitor closer than you have gaming.
You do your own polls, i underestimated you. No! People who "commonly" buy 55" screens watch it from 8 feet away and they use it for console gaming with friends and family. I've never even heard of someone using a Tv as a PC display until 3DTV's came out. Unlike 2D, in 3D your eyes can focus in the distance, making it more comfortable. You don't have to cross your eyes to see a small item in the center of the screen. Is it the only thing that effects immersion? Take a wild ****ing guess...
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
ame='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 03:40 AM' timestamp='1314067218' post='1282867']
I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
[img]http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/commandowrong.gif[/img]
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I know its true, because i've ran into at least 2 discussions about it.
ame='Libertine' date='23 August 2011 - 03:40 AM' timestamp='1314067218' post='1282867']
I heard some DLP displays have ghosting...
I know its true, because i've ran into at least 2 discussions about it.
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
your definition of native resolution is wrong[/quote]
Oh really? And is CBS "wrong" when they say their HD broadcasts are 1920x1080? What about NBC, are they also lying? How about the CW? How about Nvidia? They claim 1080i = 1920x1080. Another lie? Are you the only one on earth who knows the correct definition and everyone else is wrong? According to you, CBS,NBC, CW are broadcasting 1920x540, so are they lying, or are you just smarter than they are?
You and your little buddy Tritosine have a tough battle, you are trying to convince people that 1920x1080 image mapped 1 to 1 to a 1920x1080 fixed pixel display isn't native resolution and it looks horrible.
People aren't as dumb as you think they are, they are immuned to your BS. That's why you constantly lose these debates as proven by Nostalgia85's post. He ignores your irrational attempt at deception and takes my advice.
[quote] ****ing moron.[/quote]
If gaming on a 15" monitor at 15" distance was "just as good" as gaming at on a 100" display at 100" distance, then people would simply buy $50 monitors instead of 55" HDTVs costing 40 times as much. The fact that people don't buy $50 monitors proves I'm right and you're wrong.
BTW, your constant use of profanity, name calling, and attempt to incite is against the terms of service.
It's well established that you bought a native resolution incapable display, a Sony 1920x1080 thus dooming you to ugly 1280x720P. Yeah, that was a screwup for sure. Ever since then you've been attempting to rationalize your mistake by telling people that you were the smart one all along, 1280x720 beats 1920x1080. You attempt to back up your pathetic assertions with "some guy said" irrelevant reviews such as the ones you reference in post #31 above.
your definition of native resolution is wrong
Oh really? And is CBS "wrong" when they say their HD broadcasts are 1920x1080? What about NBC, are they also lying? How about the CW? How about Nvidia? They claim 1080i = 1920x1080. Another lie? Are you the only one on earth who knows the correct definition and everyone else is wrong? According to you, CBS,NBC, CW are broadcasting 1920x540, so are they lying, or are you just smarter than they are?
You and your little buddy Tritosine have a tough battle, you are trying to convince people that 1920x1080 image mapped 1 to 1 to a 1920x1080 fixed pixel display isn't native resolution and it looks horrible.
People aren't as dumb as you think they are, they are immuned to your BS. That's why you constantly lose these debates as proven by Nostalgia85's post. He ignores your irrational attempt at deception and takes my advice.
If gaming on a 15" monitor at 15" distance was "just as good" as gaming at on a 100" display at 100" distance, then people would simply buy $50 monitors instead of 55" HDTVs costing 40 times as much. The fact that people don't buy $50 monitors proves I'm right and you're wrong.
BTW, your constant use of profanity, name calling, and attempt to incite is against the terms of service.
It's well established that you bought a native resolution incapable display, a Sony 1920x1080 thus dooming you to ugly 1280x720P. Yeah, that was a screwup for sure. Ever since then you've been attempting to rationalize your mistake by telling people that you were the smart one all along, 1280x720 beats 1920x1080. You attempt to back up your pathetic assertions with "some guy said" irrelevant reviews such as the ones you reference in post #31 above.
as roller recommand i bought 55D7000 samsung 3dTV , 3d vision kits,
im trying to install, but from the 3d vision kit emittor i see two output. one is miniusb connet to desktop USB
the other one is VASA cable like i attached, but the end, 3pin, i dont' know where to put..im assuing it goes in to TV but my Tv doens't have any output like that
any help?
as roller recommand i bought 55D7000 samsung 3dTV , 3d vision kits,
im trying to install, but from the 3d vision kit emittor i see two output. one is miniusb connet to desktop USB
the other one is VASA cable like i attached, but the end, 3pin, i dont' know where to put..im assuing it goes in to TV but my Tv doens't have any output like that
any help?
I know its true, because i've ran into at least 2 discussions about it.
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http://cmst.curtin.edu.au/local/docs/pubs/2010-23_understanding_crosstalk_woods.pdf
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
I know its true, because i've ran into at least 2 discussions about it.
http://cmst.curtin.edu.au/local/docs/pubs/2010-23_understanding_crosstalk_woods.pdf
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
http://cmst.curtin.edu.au/local/docs/pubs/2010-23_understanding_crosstalk_woods.pdf
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
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I can confirmthat ghosting can indeed show on some DLP displays.
Dont understand how, since the tech should theoretically never be able to ghost - but my acer h5360 shows absolutely zero ghosting, wheras my Optoma GT720 shows some ghosting in high contrast areas (and strong ghosting when you dont select 'nvidia' 3d vision mode)
Kinda makes me think its a decoding issue with the projecter.
regardless - even the worst ghosting on a DLP, is better then the best ghosting on an LCD...
ive tried a number of different techs, and i would only recomend DLP at the moment, even though it is more hastle to use than a simple monitor/TV. (blocking out ambient light etc)
http://cmst.curtin.edu.au/local/docs/pubs/2010-23_understanding_crosstalk_woods.pdf
please read this "understanding crosstalk" , and no , its not true, glasses are limiting factor with DLP .
I can confirmthat ghosting can indeed show on some DLP displays.
Dont understand how, since the tech should theoretically never be able to ghost - but my acer h5360 shows absolutely zero ghosting, wheras my Optoma GT720 shows some ghosting in high contrast areas (and strong ghosting when you dont select 'nvidia' 3d vision mode)
Kinda makes me think its a decoding issue with the projecter.
regardless - even the worst ghosting on a DLP, is better then the best ghosting on an LCD...
ive tried a number of different techs, and i would only recomend DLP at the moment, even though it is more hastle to use than a simple monitor/TV. (blocking out ambient light etc)
-don't forget you can rebuild old 50-60-70" RPTV into a rear projection rig and you have best of both worlds, & its way cheaper and betterthan rebadged TV-s, or front projection with silvery , colorshifting paint jobs ( yuck).
Don't choose CRT TV if you plan to do this, LCD , LCOS, DLP are good.
-don't forget you can rebuild old 50-60-70" RPTV into a rear projection rig and you have best of both worlds, & its way cheaper and betterthan rebadged TV-s, or front projection with silvery , colorshifting paint jobs ( yuck).
Don't choose CRT TV if you plan to do this, LCD , LCOS, DLP are good.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ele/2567753591.html
dont let the display manufactures grab your money until they make something that does not suck. go to the stores and see for yourself. bring your computer, run the game metro 2033 at max depth, if you see any errors in the image the tv sucks! dont buy it. A DLP will have a perfect 3d image- all with the same checkerboard Samsung run. there is nothing new or magical about checkerboard, we have seen it since 07, and ive seen it on the sammys, its great minus the ghosting!
no "screen door" bs or ghosting on these mits. i own one. don't believe people who got duped into buying junk 3d tv's and are now saying they are better this year, almost no ghosting! there hasn't been ghosting on mits dlp since 07!!!
why are any 3d image errors acceptable on super expensive tvs?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ele/2567753591.html
dont let the display manufactures grab your money until they make something that does not suck. go to the stores and see for yourself. bring your computer, run the game metro 2033 at max depth, if you see any errors in the image the tv sucks! dont buy it. A DLP will have a perfect 3d image- all with the same checkerboard Samsung run. there is nothing new or magical about checkerboard, we have seen it since 07, and ive seen it on the sammys, its great minus the ghosting!
no "screen door" bs or ghosting on these mits. i own one. don't believe people who got duped into buying junk 3d tv's and are now saying they are better this year, almost no ghosting! there hasn't been ghosting on mits dlp since 07!!!
why are any 3d image errors acceptable on super expensive tvs?
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
why are any 3d image errors acceptable on super expensive tvs? [/quote]
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/love_affair_with_tvs_ends_a1RikT9zccfxYzpDLXx4iN
[quote]But there is little enthusiasm for the new technology, even from sports people. "3-D on TV is a bust," says Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks and head of HDNet.
"On the Mavs run to an NBA championship, despite me always throwing stuff at the 3-D cameras and having fun with them, not a single person mentioned the 3-D broadcast to me."
Swann believes 3-D has scared and confused consumers -- and is now tanking the entire retail television marketplace.[/quote]
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/love_affair_with_tvs_ends_a1RikT9zccfxYzpDLXx4iN