Official 334.67 Driver Thread for New 3D Vision Game Support Feedback
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[quote="SnickerSnack"][quote="TURDxSANDWICH"][quote="RAGEdemon"]I'm playing through Assassin's Creed 3. The premise of this "2.5D" implementations is that it theoretcally has no performance loss. I'm finding the opposite. FPS are being reduced by 30% to 50%+ as soon as 3D (2.5D) is enabled. The problem seems to get worse the higher the resolution. Performance obviously needs to be looked it. [/quote] What is your depth setting? I did find that maxing out the depth caused roughly a 50% frame drop ascompared to about a 15% depth in AC4 with this new 3D Faking technique. It seems that whatever method is being used to create this effect, it has to work harder as depth increases.[/quote] This is actually the case for real 3D Vision as well. The fps is affected by depth, and even convergence when you start getting aggressive with it. [/quote] I've never seen any evidence of this, and it does not make any sense - convergence and depth are just parameters in certain calculations, and calculations don't take longer just because the number changes slightly. I do, however, now feel compelled to check it out when I get home tonight...
SnickerSnack said:
TURDxSANDWICH said:
RAGEdemon said:I'm playing through Assassin's Creed 3. The premise of this "2.5D" implementations is that it theoretcally has no performance loss. I'm finding the opposite. FPS are being reduced by 30% to 50%+ as soon as 3D (2.5D) is enabled. The problem seems to get worse the higher the resolution.

Performance obviously needs to be looked it.


What is your depth setting? I did find that maxing out the depth caused roughly a 50% frame drop ascompared to about a 15% depth in AC4 with this new 3D Faking technique. It seems that whatever method is being used to create this effect, it has to work harder as depth increases.


This is actually the case for real 3D Vision as well. The fps is affected by depth, and even convergence when you start getting aggressive with it.

I've never seen any evidence of this, and it does not make any sense - convergence and depth are just parameters in certain calculations, and calculations don't take longer just because the number changes slightly. I do, however, now feel compelled to check it out when I get home tonight...

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Posted 02/05/2014 03:31 PM   
I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D? If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?
I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?

Posted 02/06/2014 05:37 AM   
[quote="Titus206"]I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D? If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?[/quote] Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.
Titus206 said:I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?


Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.

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Posted 02/06/2014 01:24 PM   
[quote="Titus206"] ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?[/quote] No, same supported res/refresh. [quote="zig11727"]Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.[/quote] yes it does, with SBS or TB mode.
Titus206 said: ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

No, same supported res/refresh.

zig11727 said:Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.

yes it does, with SBS or TB mode.

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Posted 02/06/2014 07:14 PM   
[quote="zig11727"][quote="Titus206"]I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D? If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?[/quote] Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.[/quote] Sorry but, Tridef DOES offer 3d at 60hz 1080p over hdmi, nvidia not. [quote="DHR"][quote="Titus206"] ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?[/quote] No, same supported res/refresh. [quote="zig11727"]Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.[/quote] yes it does, with SBS or TB mode.[/quote] Exactly.
zig11727 said:
Titus206 said:I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?


Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.


Sorry but, Tridef DOES offer 3d at 60hz 1080p over hdmi, nvidia not.

DHR said:
Titus206 said: ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

No, same supported res/refresh.

zig11727 said:Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.

yes it does, with SBS or TB mode.


Exactly.

Posted 02/06/2014 07:50 PM   
[quote="Titus206"][quote="zig11727"][quote="Titus206"]I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D? If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?[/quote] Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.[/quote] Sorry but, Tridef DOES offer 3d at 60hz 1080p over hdmi, nvidia not. [quote="DHR"][quote="Titus206"] ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?[/quote] No, same supported res/refresh. [quote="zig11727"]Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.[/quote] yes it does, with SBS or TB mode.[/quote] Exactly.[/quote] SBS is half the resolution & TB is quarter lost of resolution at 1080P . So this isn't true 1080P@60Hz resolution the closes mode to 1080P/60 is checkerboard which is support by NVidia & Tridef
Titus206 said:
zig11727 said:
Titus206 said:I have one question, with tridef I can play in a Samsung TV at 1080p 60Hz in 3D, ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

If the answer is not, ¿why with tridef i can play at 60hz1080 but not with 3DTV Play?


Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.


Sorry but, Tridef DOES offer 3d at 60hz 1080p over hdmi, nvidia not.

DHR said:
Titus206 said: ¿can we play at this resolutions-refresh rates with this new 3D?

No, same supported res/refresh.

zig11727 said:Tridef doesn't offer 3D at 60hz 1080P over hdmi.

yes it does, with SBS or TB mode.


Exactly.

SBS is half the resolution & TB is quarter lost of resolution at 1080P . So this isn't true 1080P@60Hz resolution the closes mode to 1080P/60 is checkerboard which is support by NVidia & Tridef

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Posted 02/06/2014 09:03 PM   
Then explain to me why the games via tridef are better than the games with 3d vision in a 3D TV. In a monitor I prefer Nvidia 3Dvision, but in a 3DTV Tridef wins, the only disadvantage is can't use SLI.
Then explain to me why the games via tridef are better than the games with 3d vision in a 3D TV.

In a monitor I prefer Nvidia 3Dvision, but in a 3DTV Tridef wins, the only disadvantage is can't use SLI.

Posted 02/07/2014 05:17 AM   
If your display supports checkerboard which it might since samsungs often do you can. I might be outdated if this is still the method [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/486236/3d-vision/hdmi1-4-checkerboard-for-all-33-3d-vision-software-fix-here-33-/1/[/url]
If your display supports checkerboard which it might since samsungs often do you can.

I might be outdated if this is still the method
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Posted 02/07/2014 06:50 AM   
[quote="Titus206"]Then explain to me why the games via tridef are better than the games with 3d vision in a 3D TV.[/quote] Perhaps because side by side or top and bottom 1080p scales better in a native 1080p TV. It's very simple to scale 960 x 1080 to the TV's native 1920 x 1080, it just has to insert a single new vertical line between every vertical line in the video signal. Meanwhile with 720p frame packed, it's 1280 x 720 pixels that need to fit to 1920 x 1080. It can't be done evenly. Therefore the upscaling will make the image smoother and less sharp in comparison. Generally when people refer to 1080p 60hz 3D, they mean two full 1080p images (left and right) at 60hz. While SBS and TB 1080p 60hz 3D is 1080p in a sense, it has more to do with how the images are packaged and delivered through the HDMI cable than what appears on your TV.
Titus206 said:Then explain to me why the games via tridef are better than the games with 3d vision in a 3D TV.


Perhaps because side by side or top and bottom 1080p scales better in a native 1080p TV. It's very simple to scale 960 x 1080 to the TV's native 1920 x 1080, it just has to insert a single new vertical line between every vertical line in the video signal. Meanwhile with 720p frame packed, it's 1280 x 720 pixels that need to fit to 1920 x 1080. It can't be done evenly. Therefore the upscaling will make the image smoother and less sharp in comparison.

Generally when people refer to 1080p 60hz 3D, they mean two full 1080p images (left and right) at 60hz. While SBS and TB 1080p 60hz 3D is 1080p in a sense, it has more to do with how the images are packaged and delivered through the HDMI cable than what appears on your TV.

Posted 02/07/2014 06:52 AM   
Tbh, 1280x720 frame packed looks sharper than 1920x1080 SBS on my 3D HDTV. It surprised me too.
Tbh, 1280x720 frame packed looks sharper than 1920x1080 SBS on my 3D HDTV. It surprised me too.

Posted 02/07/2014 11:23 AM   
[quote="BazzaLB"]Tbh, 1280x720 frame packed looks sharper than 1920x1080 SBS on my 3D HDTV. It surprised me too.[/quote] My understanding is that there are many methods to upscale, and various scaling chips in TVs of various quality. It wouldn't surprise me if some TVs are able to upscale 720p very well but upscale SBS 1080p clumsily.
BazzaLB said:Tbh, 1280x720 frame packed looks sharper than 1920x1080 SBS on my 3D HDTV. It surprised me too.


My understanding is that there are many methods to upscale, and various scaling chips in TVs of various quality. It wouldn't surprise me if some TVs are able to upscale 720p very well but upscale SBS 1080p clumsily.

Posted 02/07/2014 12:05 PM   
The reality (right now) is 1080p/60 via HDMI is possible [u]only[/u] in SBS, TB and CB mode. When HDMI 2.0 arrives we will see what happens with Full 3D at 60. Tridef have the 3 modes (SBS, TB and CB), Nvidia only one (CB). SBS, TB and CB...all have half resolution...only differences is the output pattern....so CB is not better than the others (and viceversa). Depends of the Monitor, 3DTV or projector you're using....some modes looks better with Acvite shutter, others with Passive (brands is another factor)...depends what setup you have!. In my case i have a LG Passive 3DTV and CB looks like s**t....but TB looks great...Also 720p FP (Nvidia) looks great....i don't know, better upscaling algorithms for that modes maybe.
The reality (right now) is 1080p/60 via HDMI is possible only in SBS, TB and CB mode. When HDMI 2.0 arrives we will see what happens with Full 3D at 60.

Tridef have the 3 modes (SBS, TB and CB), Nvidia only one (CB).
SBS, TB and CB...all have half resolution...only differences is the output pattern....so CB is not better than the others (and viceversa). Depends of the Monitor, 3DTV or projector you're using....some modes looks better with Acvite shutter, others with Passive (brands is another factor)...depends what setup you have!.

In my case i have a LG Passive 3DTV and CB looks like s**t....but TB looks great...Also 720p FP (Nvidia) looks great....i don't know, better upscaling algorithms for that modes maybe.

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Posted 02/07/2014 02:54 PM   
Once again, thanks for all the constructive feedback on the latest driver release. Stay tuned for news on more game support and refinements to the technology.
Once again, thanks for all the constructive feedback on the latest driver release. Stay tuned for news on more game support and refinements to the technology.

Posted 02/07/2014 07:40 PM   
[quote="SteveK@NVIDIA"]Once again, thanks for all the constructive feedback on the latest driver release. Stay tuned for news on more game support and refinements to the technology.[/quote] Any word on the next driver release ?
SteveK@NVIDIA said:Once again, thanks for all the constructive feedback on the latest driver release. Stay tuned for news on more game support and refinements to the technology.


Any word on the next driver release ?

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Posted 02/07/2014 09:08 PM   
[quote="mike_ar69"][quote="SnickerSnack"][quote="TURDxSANDWICH"][quote="RAGEdemon"]I'm playing through Assassin's Creed 3. The premise of this "2.5D" implementations is that it theoretcally has no performance loss. I'm finding the opposite. FPS are being reduced by 30% to 50%+ as soon as 3D (2.5D) is enabled. The problem seems to get worse the higher the resolution. Performance obviously needs to be looked it. [/quote] What is your depth setting? I did find that maxing out the depth caused roughly a 50% frame drop ascompared to about a 15% depth in AC4 with this new 3D Faking technique. It seems that whatever method is being used to create this effect, it has to work harder as depth increases.[/quote] This is actually the case for real 3D Vision as well. The fps is affected by depth, and even convergence when you start getting aggressive with it. [/quote] I've never seen any evidence of this, and it does not make any sense - convergence and depth are just parameters in certain calculations, and calculations don't take longer just because the number changes slightly. I do, however, now feel compelled to check it out when I get home tonight...[/quote] Man, I don't know what to tell you, but I have seen it. I never thought much about the theory behind it, just perceived it visually.
mike_ar69 said:
SnickerSnack said:
TURDxSANDWICH said:
RAGEdemon said:I'm playing through Assassin's Creed 3. The premise of this "2.5D" implementations is that it theoretcally has no performance loss. I'm finding the opposite. FPS are being reduced by 30% to 50%+ as soon as 3D (2.5D) is enabled. The problem seems to get worse the higher the resolution.

Performance obviously needs to be looked it.


What is your depth setting? I did find that maxing out the depth caused roughly a 50% frame drop ascompared to about a 15% depth in AC4 with this new 3D Faking technique. It seems that whatever method is being used to create this effect, it has to work harder as depth increases.


This is actually the case for real 3D Vision as well. The fps is affected by depth, and even convergence when you start getting aggressive with it.

I've never seen any evidence of this, and it does not make any sense - convergence and depth are just parameters in certain calculations, and calculations don't take longer just because the number changes slightly. I do, however, now feel compelled to check it out when I get home tonight...


Man, I don't know what to tell you, but I have seen it. I never thought much about the theory behind it, just perceived it visually.

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Posted 02/07/2014 10:20 PM   
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