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I've decided to return the 3D Nvidia kit. And look into both TriDef and iZ3D to see what I like best. tried TriDef but can't seem to get it to work, going to try iZ3D tomorrow perhaps :)
I've decided to return the 3D Nvidia kit. And look into both TriDef and iZ3D to see what I like best. tried TriDef but can't seem to get it to work, going to try iZ3D tomorrow perhaps :)

#16
Posted 12/27/2011 04:10 PM   
Beware a little regarding iz3d though. There are no concrete signs that they're still in business so it's better to rely on tridef or nvidia if possible. The nature of 3d-gaming forces constant updates of the stereodrivers to work properly with games.
Beware a little regarding iz3d though. There are no concrete signs that they're still in business so it's better to rely on tridef or nvidia if possible. The nature of 3d-gaming forces constant updates of the stereodrivers to work properly with games.

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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe

Cpu: C2D E6600

Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX

3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D

Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.

#17
Posted 12/27/2011 04:33 PM   
The Tridef driver offers really a huge amount of options but may also be hard to setup.

To get 3D you must start a game via the TriDef Launchpad. This is a bit tricky with Steam games. The easiest way is to use "Create desktop icon" in the Steam options for a game. Than you can copy this link into the Tridef Launchpad setup page for adding a game to the launcher.

If the Tridef driver is hooked correctly, you see a driver message with the version number on game startup. The settings can be adjusted in-game via the keypad keys. Open the Tridef OSD with the Numpad Insert key and navigate through it with the Numpad Cursor keys.

Since you habe a nVidia card, the best 3D mode available to you is 1080p @ 60 Hz side-by-side, which actually halfes the resolution per eye but may improve frame rate.
The Tridef driver offers really a huge amount of options but may also be hard to setup.



To get 3D you must start a game via the TriDef Launchpad. This is a bit tricky with Steam games. The easiest way is to use "Create desktop icon" in the Steam options for a game. Than you can copy this link into the Tridef Launchpad setup page for adding a game to the launcher.



If the Tridef driver is hooked correctly, you see a driver message with the version number on game startup. The settings can be adjusted in-game via the keypad keys. Open the Tridef OSD with the Numpad Insert key and navigate through it with the Numpad Cursor keys.



Since you habe a nVidia card, the best 3D mode available to you is 1080p @ 60 Hz side-by-side, which actually halfes the resolution per eye but may improve frame rate.

#18
Posted 12/27/2011 05:16 PM   
[quote name='Likay' date='27 December 2011 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1325003596' post='1347727']
Beware a little regarding iz3d though. There are no concrete signs that they're still in business so it's better to rely on tridef or nvidia if possible. The nature of 3d-gaming forces constant updates of the stereodrivers to work properly with games.
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Thanks for the warning!


[quote name='Nobsi' date='27 December 2011 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1325006216' post='1347749']
The Tridef driver offers really a huge amount of options but may also be hard to setup.

To get 3D you must start a game via the TriDef Launchpad. This is a bit tricky with Steam games. The easiest way is to use "Create desktop icon" in the Steam options for a game. Than you can copy this link into the Tridef Launchpad setup page for adding a game to the launcher.

If the Tridef driver is hooked correctly, you see a driver message with the version number on game startup. The settings can be adjusted in-game via the keypad keys. Open the Tridef OSD with the Numpad Insert key and navigate through it with the Numpad Cursor keys.

Since you habe a nVidia card, the best 3D mode available to you is 1080p @ 60 Hz side-by-side, which actually halfes the resolution per eye but may improve frame rate.
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I tried a couple of games via the TriDef launcher application thing. And I did indeed see the messages at the game start up as well. And I could see it was doing something, because it was like watching a movie in 3D, with out the glasses. But I just didn't have a clue as to what I needed to do to actually see it as 3D. But might it be because my resolution is set to be 120Hz and also not having side-by-side mode on? Or is it something entirely else when this is my problem?
[quote name='Likay' date='27 December 2011 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1325003596' post='1347727']

Beware a little regarding iz3d though. There are no concrete signs that they're still in business so it's better to rely on tridef or nvidia if possible. The nature of 3d-gaming forces constant updates of the stereodrivers to work properly with games.





Thanks for the warning!





[quote name='Nobsi' date='27 December 2011 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1325006216' post='1347749']

The Tridef driver offers really a huge amount of options but may also be hard to setup.



To get 3D you must start a game via the TriDef Launchpad. This is a bit tricky with Steam games. The easiest way is to use "Create desktop icon" in the Steam options for a game. Than you can copy this link into the Tridef Launchpad setup page for adding a game to the launcher.



If the Tridef driver is hooked correctly, you see a driver message with the version number on game startup. The settings can be adjusted in-game via the keypad keys. Open the Tridef OSD with the Numpad Insert key and navigate through it with the Numpad Cursor keys.



Since you habe a nVidia card, the best 3D mode available to you is 1080p @ 60 Hz side-by-side, which actually halfes the resolution per eye but may improve frame rate.





I tried a couple of games via the TriDef launcher application thing. And I did indeed see the messages at the game start up as well. And I could see it was doing something, because it was like watching a movie in 3D, with out the glasses. But I just didn't have a clue as to what I needed to do to actually see it as 3D. But might it be because my resolution is set to be 120Hz and also not having side-by-side mode on? Or is it something entirely else when this is my problem?

#19
Posted 12/27/2011 05:30 PM   
[quote name='Xzoltan' date='26 December 2011 - 06:41 PM' timestamp='1324942871' post='1347488']
The cost is indeed a big factor for me. I wouldn't mind paying the 175 USD for the kit, if it actually was supported for my monitor, and it had a future for me. But as you say, it might just be a matter of time before it's on it's way out, and then I will have lost the option to return the kit, and spend the money a bit wiser. So I am really thinking I'm going to return it.

But if I'm running 3D, you would suggest to crank down the settings? I mean as I said I have overheating issues already (I have no idea why), and if my video card takes a beating using 3D, my normaly high/ultra settings might just not be an option for me anymore. Which I probably would be fine with by the way. I'm using a GTX 570 at the moment, and I have really been trying to fix my cooling problems, but I just don't know what to do about it anymore. I've had to open my case just to get some cooler temps. And yes I know, this destroys the air flow, but I have been monitoring, and it seems like the temps drop when I open the case, as opposed to when it's closed. And my fans are turning the right way. I have been thinking if it's my case that's the problem. It's just a jungle out there as to what to buy for an excellent cooling system. Especially when it also has to be fairly cheap :)
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Yeah that's a lot to spend since the bulk of the price is going to be glasses which you get no use of. Personally, I would check Ebay for a new or used kit if you decide you want 3D Vision functionality. I've seen them as cheap as $60 when searching for just a pair of extra glasses. Then you could try and sell the glasses for $40-50 and just keep the emitter. The one caveat as ERP already clarified above is that the emitter key CRT method no longer works after the 285 drivers, so Nvidia may be looking to actively block this loophole going forward. Just something to be aware of.

It is most likely your case that's the cause of the heat issue. What kind of case do you have and what kind of airflow does it have? I would take a look and see if the case can accomodate additional 120mm fan intakes, and if it can, adding a few fans would be the cheapest fix imo. The GTX 570 is a relatively cool card for a high performance part, but it can still get hot if there isn't some cool air and good exhaust in your case. Also, what kind of fan do you have on your 570? A reference blower style that exhausts heat out? Or a non-reference one that just diffuses heat inside your case? If its the latter, case cooling, particularly exhaust is just that much more important as you need a way to expel that hot air from your case. Otherwise temps will start to build up in the case, heating up your GPU even further.

You also mentioned your sound was giving problems as well. Is it a discrete sound card? Is it positioned adjacent to your GPU? Try to make sure nothing is in front of that slot in front of your GPU's intake. You can also try cleaning up any cabling, hard drives etc to move them away from in front of that GPU. Cleaning up interior cabling can go a long way in improving case airflow.

Lastly, you can try using a GPU monitoring software like MSI Afterburner to set up a custom fan profile to ramp up your fan's speed sooner. This will take heat off the GPU itself and either blow it out the back of your case (blower style) or diffuse it in your case (non-ref style). The trade-off ofc is more noise from the GPU fan.

I personally would look to address the heat issue rather than turn settings down because a single 570 really shouldn't have heat issues and ultimately, you want to get your money's worth out of that fine GPU. Also, that extra performance will be appreciated in 3D, and turning settings down might actually increase your GPU temps if you weren't getting 60FPS (up to 60FPS max per eye).
[quote name='Xzoltan' date='26 December 2011 - 06:41 PM' timestamp='1324942871' post='1347488']

The cost is indeed a big factor for me. I wouldn't mind paying the 175 USD for the kit, if it actually was supported for my monitor, and it had a future for me. But as you say, it might just be a matter of time before it's on it's way out, and then I will have lost the option to return the kit, and spend the money a bit wiser. So I am really thinking I'm going to return it.



But if I'm running 3D, you would suggest to crank down the settings? I mean as I said I have overheating issues already (I have no idea why), and if my video card takes a beating using 3D, my normaly high/ultra settings might just not be an option for me anymore. Which I probably would be fine with by the way. I'm using a GTX 570 at the moment, and I have really been trying to fix my cooling problems, but I just don't know what to do about it anymore. I've had to open my case just to get some cooler temps. And yes I know, this destroys the air flow, but I have been monitoring, and it seems like the temps drop when I open the case, as opposed to when it's closed. And my fans are turning the right way. I have been thinking if it's my case that's the problem. It's just a jungle out there as to what to buy for an excellent cooling system. Especially when it also has to be fairly cheap :)



Yeah that's a lot to spend since the bulk of the price is going to be glasses which you get no use of. Personally, I would check Ebay for a new or used kit if you decide you want 3D Vision functionality. I've seen them as cheap as $60 when searching for just a pair of extra glasses. Then you could try and sell the glasses for $40-50 and just keep the emitter. The one caveat as ERP already clarified above is that the emitter key CRT method no longer works after the 285 drivers, so Nvidia may be looking to actively block this loophole going forward. Just something to be aware of.



It is most likely your case that's the cause of the heat issue. What kind of case do you have and what kind of airflow does it have? I would take a look and see if the case can accomodate additional 120mm fan intakes, and if it can, adding a few fans would be the cheapest fix imo. The GTX 570 is a relatively cool card for a high performance part, but it can still get hot if there isn't some cool air and good exhaust in your case. Also, what kind of fan do you have on your 570? A reference blower style that exhausts heat out? Or a non-reference one that just diffuses heat inside your case? If its the latter, case cooling, particularly exhaust is just that much more important as you need a way to expel that hot air from your case. Otherwise temps will start to build up in the case, heating up your GPU even further.



You also mentioned your sound was giving problems as well. Is it a discrete sound card? Is it positioned adjacent to your GPU? Try to make sure nothing is in front of that slot in front of your GPU's intake. You can also try cleaning up any cabling, hard drives etc to move them away from in front of that GPU. Cleaning up interior cabling can go a long way in improving case airflow.



Lastly, you can try using a GPU monitoring software like MSI Afterburner to set up a custom fan profile to ramp up your fan's speed sooner. This will take heat off the GPU itself and either blow it out the back of your case (blower style) or diffuse it in your case (non-ref style). The trade-off ofc is more noise from the GPU fan.



I personally would look to address the heat issue rather than turn settings down because a single 570 really shouldn't have heat issues and ultimately, you want to get your money's worth out of that fine GPU. Also, that extra performance will be appreciated in 3D, and turning settings down might actually increase your GPU temps if you weren't getting 60FPS (up to 60FPS max per eye).

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#20
Posted 12/27/2011 05:46 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='27 December 2011 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1325007971' post='1347767']
Yeah that's a lot to spend since the bulk of the price is going to be glasses which you get no use of. Personally, I would check Ebay for a new or used kit if you decide you want 3D Vision functionality. I've seen them as cheap as $60 when searching for just a pair of extra glasses. Then you could try and sell the glasses for $40-50 and just keep the emitter. The one caveat as ERP already clarified above is that the emitter key CRT method no longer works after the 285 drivers, so Nvidia may be looking to actively block this loophole going forward. Just something to be aware of.

It is most likely your case that's the cause of the heat issue. What kind of case do you have and what kind of airflow does it have? I would take a look and see if the case can accomodate additional 120mm fan intakes, and if it can, adding a few fans would be the cheapest fix imo. The GTX 570 is a relatively cool card for a high performance part, but it can still get hot if there isn't some cool air and good exhaust in your case. Also, what kind of fan do you have on your 570? A reference blower style that exhausts heat out? Or a non-reference one that just diffuses heat inside your case? If its the latter, case cooling, particularly exhaust is just that much more important as you need a way to expel that hot air from your case. Otherwise temps will start to build up in the case, heating up your GPU even further.

You also mentioned your sound was giving problems as well. Is it a discrete sound card? Is it positioned adjacent to your GPU? Try to make sure nothing is in front of that slot in front of your GPU's intake. You can also try cleaning up any cabling, hard drives etc to move them away from in front of that GPU. Cleaning up interior cabling can go a long way in improving case airflow.

Lastly, you can try using a GPU monitoring software like MSI Afterburner to set up a custom fan profile to ramp up your fan's speed sooner. This will take heat off the GPU itself and either blow it out the back of your case (blower style) or diffuse it in your case (non-ref style). The trade-off ofc is more noise from the GPU fan.

I personally would look to address the heat issue rather than turn settings down because a single 570 really shouldn't have heat issues and ultimately, you want to get your money's worth out of that fine GPU. Also, that extra performance will be appreciated in 3D, and turning settings down might actually increase your GPU temps if you weren't getting 60FPS (up to 60FPS max per eye).
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I was looking at Ebay the other day, and I did seem to find some fairly priced emitters/kits I could buy. But as you said, the 2 main reaons that I'm returning it right now is that it's very expensive, and it seems like it will only be a usable solution for a very limited time. Thing is, I live outside of the US, so I can't just take any auction there is on Ebay. But I might keep an eye open there.

The case I'm using is a NXZT HUSH or something I think it's called. HW-001W is model number if I remember correctly. I have been told it has a fairly good air flow, but there is not room for that many fans if you ask me. Right now I have 2 fans, one intake and 1 out. And that's pretty much what there is. Except the PSU if you count that as well. A new case wouldn't be the worst thing to buy, been looking at the Antec 300 I think it was called, but it's been a while, so I don't know if there are better cases in that price range out there.

I tried a program today called EVGA OC scanner. Since my card comes from EVGA, I think it was fairly natural to try it. I ran a stress test for 1 hour, and it seemed to stop rising in temps when it hit 89 degrees celsius, with a fan speed of 75 ish %, and a load of 91%. Another test used 98% load with same heat/fan speed resulsts. The highest I've seen the temps when gaming have been 80-85, so I don't think it is actually a problem per se. Although as I am a cautious guy, I'd very much like it lowered. In idle state, the GPU is around 65 degrees celsuis, and fan speed is at 50%. According to that program at least.

To answer you GPU fan question, I don't really know the english words for it, so I'm not sure which one I have. There is a fan on it as you probably guessed, so I don't know if it answers the question. [url="http://eu.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=012-P3-1572-ER&family=GeForce%20500%20Series%20Family&uc=EUR"]This is the card I have for more information[/url].

The sound problem is/was unrelated to this I believe. It required a couple of driver reinstalls and such, and it's suddenly working again. I do believe it was a faulty front output that gave me part of the troubles. Although it still doesn't make sense, but that's a whole other story.

I really would like to fix this as you can imagine. Because as you said, it's a fine GPU, and I've paid dearly for it. So having to play games on low/medium settings just because I want 3D would really suck.

Although, I had some instability issues with the 285.62 driver, but they seem to be gone now I've upgraded to the latest beta driver. Now I just need to get that bloody 3D working so I can play Metro 2033!

Thanks a lot for your help Chiz, you seem to know what you are talking about.
[quote name='chiz' date='27 December 2011 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1325007971' post='1347767']

Yeah that's a lot to spend since the bulk of the price is going to be glasses which you get no use of. Personally, I would check Ebay for a new or used kit if you decide you want 3D Vision functionality. I've seen them as cheap as $60 when searching for just a pair of extra glasses. Then you could try and sell the glasses for $40-50 and just keep the emitter. The one caveat as ERP already clarified above is that the emitter key CRT method no longer works after the 285 drivers, so Nvidia may be looking to actively block this loophole going forward. Just something to be aware of.



It is most likely your case that's the cause of the heat issue. What kind of case do you have and what kind of airflow does it have? I would take a look and see if the case can accomodate additional 120mm fan intakes, and if it can, adding a few fans would be the cheapest fix imo. The GTX 570 is a relatively cool card for a high performance part, but it can still get hot if there isn't some cool air and good exhaust in your case. Also, what kind of fan do you have on your 570? A reference blower style that exhausts heat out? Or a non-reference one that just diffuses heat inside your case? If its the latter, case cooling, particularly exhaust is just that much more important as you need a way to expel that hot air from your case. Otherwise temps will start to build up in the case, heating up your GPU even further.



You also mentioned your sound was giving problems as well. Is it a discrete sound card? Is it positioned adjacent to your GPU? Try to make sure nothing is in front of that slot in front of your GPU's intake. You can also try cleaning up any cabling, hard drives etc to move them away from in front of that GPU. Cleaning up interior cabling can go a long way in improving case airflow.



Lastly, you can try using a GPU monitoring software like MSI Afterburner to set up a custom fan profile to ramp up your fan's speed sooner. This will take heat off the GPU itself and either blow it out the back of your case (blower style) or diffuse it in your case (non-ref style). The trade-off ofc is more noise from the GPU fan.



I personally would look to address the heat issue rather than turn settings down because a single 570 really shouldn't have heat issues and ultimately, you want to get your money's worth out of that fine GPU. Also, that extra performance will be appreciated in 3D, and turning settings down might actually increase your GPU temps if you weren't getting 60FPS (up to 60FPS max per eye).





I was looking at Ebay the other day, and I did seem to find some fairly priced emitters/kits I could buy. But as you said, the 2 main reaons that I'm returning it right now is that it's very expensive, and it seems like it will only be a usable solution for a very limited time. Thing is, I live outside of the US, so I can't just take any auction there is on Ebay. But I might keep an eye open there.



The case I'm using is a NXZT HUSH or something I think it's called. HW-001W is model number if I remember correctly. I have been told it has a fairly good air flow, but there is not room for that many fans if you ask me. Right now I have 2 fans, one intake and 1 out. And that's pretty much what there is. Except the PSU if you count that as well. A new case wouldn't be the worst thing to buy, been looking at the Antec 300 I think it was called, but it's been a while, so I don't know if there are better cases in that price range out there.



I tried a program today called EVGA OC scanner. Since my card comes from EVGA, I think it was fairly natural to try it. I ran a stress test for 1 hour, and it seemed to stop rising in temps when it hit 89 degrees celsius, with a fan speed of 75 ish %, and a load of 91%. Another test used 98% load with same heat/fan speed resulsts. The highest I've seen the temps when gaming have been 80-85, so I don't think it is actually a problem per se. Although as I am a cautious guy, I'd very much like it lowered. In idle state, the GPU is around 65 degrees celsuis, and fan speed is at 50%. According to that program at least.



To answer you GPU fan question, I don't really know the english words for it, so I'm not sure which one I have. There is a fan on it as you probably guessed, so I don't know if it answers the question. This is the card I have for more information.



The sound problem is/was unrelated to this I believe. It required a couple of driver reinstalls and such, and it's suddenly working again. I do believe it was a faulty front output that gave me part of the troubles. Although it still doesn't make sense, but that's a whole other story.



I really would like to fix this as you can imagine. Because as you said, it's a fine GPU, and I've paid dearly for it. So having to play games on low/medium settings just because I want 3D would really suck.



Although, I had some instability issues with the 285.62 driver, but they seem to be gone now I've upgraded to the latest beta driver. Now I just need to get that bloody 3D working so I can play Metro 2033!



Thanks a lot for your help Chiz, you seem to know what you are talking about.

#21
Posted 12/27/2011 06:42 PM   
80-85C under load in gaming and 89C or so under worst-case OCCT is actually right around what you would expect for that card, so no real worries about GPU temps. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/27

Once you get into the mid to upper 90s that's when heat is more disconcerting, but these GPUs are designed to throttle and shut down ~105C so you're well under that. If you want to ramp the speed of the fan up under load to get the GPU temps down some, you can do that with EVGA's Precision software (finally), or you can use MSI Afterburner to do the same. This will reduce GPU temps by making the fan spin faster at the expense of more fan noise.

The card you have is the reference design with slot/blower style fan. Generally these fans are a little bit louder and result in slightly higher GPU temps compared to the non-reference options out there, but they also expel most of the hot air from the GPU directly out of the case. I would not worry about temps in the mid-80s while gaming in 3D because 3D is roughly 2x more demanding than 2D so it will and should tax your GPU to the fullest at 1080p in most games. Also, EVGA has great warranty support if your card does happen to fail, provided you registered it on their website within 30 days.

I also wouldn't worry about getting a new case unless you need a bigger one for other reasons. I looked it up and it doesn't look like you can add any more fans unfortunately.

anyways, hopefully Nobsi and the others can get you up and running with Tri-Def, I'm just not that familiar with their software as I haven't used them much outside of the 14 day trial. Metro looks great in 3D but is very performance expensive. You may need to drop some settings down regardless for that game to get better FPS, but it will still push your card to 100%.
80-85C under load in gaming and 89C or so under worst-case OCCT is actually right around what you would expect for that card, so no real worries about GPU temps. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/27



Once you get into the mid to upper 90s that's when heat is more disconcerting, but these GPUs are designed to throttle and shut down ~105C so you're well under that. If you want to ramp the speed of the fan up under load to get the GPU temps down some, you can do that with EVGA's Precision software (finally), or you can use MSI Afterburner to do the same. This will reduce GPU temps by making the fan spin faster at the expense of more fan noise.



The card you have is the reference design with slot/blower style fan. Generally these fans are a little bit louder and result in slightly higher GPU temps compared to the non-reference options out there, but they also expel most of the hot air from the GPU directly out of the case. I would not worry about temps in the mid-80s while gaming in 3D because 3D is roughly 2x more demanding than 2D so it will and should tax your GPU to the fullest at 1080p in most games. Also, EVGA has great warranty support if your card does happen to fail, provided you registered it on their website within 30 days.



I also wouldn't worry about getting a new case unless you need a bigger one for other reasons. I looked it up and it doesn't look like you can add any more fans unfortunately.



anyways, hopefully Nobsi and the others can get you up and running with Tri-Def, I'm just not that familiar with their software as I haven't used them much outside of the 14 day trial. Metro looks great in 3D but is very performance expensive. You may need to drop some settings down regardless for that game to get better FPS, but it will still push your card to 100%.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#22
Posted 12/27/2011 07:51 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='27 December 2011 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1325015464' post='1347818']
80-85C under load in gaming and 89C or so under worst-case OCCT is actually right around what you would expect for that card, so no real worries about GPU temps. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/27

Once you get into the mid to upper 90s that's when heat is more disconcerting, but these GPUs are designed to throttle and shut down ~105C so you're well under that. If you want to ramp the speed of the fan up under load to get the GPU temps down some, you can do that with EVGA's Precision software (finally), or you can use MSI Afterburner to do the same. This will reduce GPU temps by making the fan spin faster at the expense of more fan noise.

The card you have is the reference design with slot/blower style fan. Generally these fans are a little bit louder and result in slightly higher GPU temps compared to the non-reference options out there, but they also expel most of the hot air from the GPU directly out of the case. I would not worry about temps in the mid-80s while gaming in 3D because 3D is roughly 2x more demanding than 2D so it will and should tax your GPU to the fullest at 1080p in most games. Also, EVGA has great warranty support if your card does happen to fail, provided you registered it on their website within 30 days.

I also wouldn't worry about getting a new case unless you need a bigger one for other reasons. I looked it up and it doesn't look like you can add any more fans unfortunately.

anyways, hopefully Nobsi and the others can get you up and running with Tri-Def, I'm just not that familiar with their software as I haven't used them much outside of the 14 day trial. Metro looks great in 3D but is very performance expensive. You may need to drop some settings down regardless for that game to get better FPS, but it will still push your card to 100%.
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Alright, well that calmed me down a bit. Thanks for the info! Happy holidays.
[quote name='chiz' date='27 December 2011 - 07:51 PM' timestamp='1325015464' post='1347818']

80-85C under load in gaming and 89C or so under worst-case OCCT is actually right around what you would expect for that card, so no real worries about GPU temps. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/27



Once you get into the mid to upper 90s that's when heat is more disconcerting, but these GPUs are designed to throttle and shut down ~105C so you're well under that. If you want to ramp the speed of the fan up under load to get the GPU temps down some, you can do that with EVGA's Precision software (finally), or you can use MSI Afterburner to do the same. This will reduce GPU temps by making the fan spin faster at the expense of more fan noise.



The card you have is the reference design with slot/blower style fan. Generally these fans are a little bit louder and result in slightly higher GPU temps compared to the non-reference options out there, but they also expel most of the hot air from the GPU directly out of the case. I would not worry about temps in the mid-80s while gaming in 3D because 3D is roughly 2x more demanding than 2D so it will and should tax your GPU to the fullest at 1080p in most games. Also, EVGA has great warranty support if your card does happen to fail, provided you registered it on their website within 30 days.



I also wouldn't worry about getting a new case unless you need a bigger one for other reasons. I looked it up and it doesn't look like you can add any more fans unfortunately.



anyways, hopefully Nobsi and the others can get you up and running with Tri-Def, I'm just not that familiar with their software as I haven't used them much outside of the 14 day trial. Metro looks great in 3D but is very performance expensive. You may need to drop some settings down regardless for that game to get better FPS, but it will still push your card to 100%.





Alright, well that calmed me down a bit. Thanks for the info! Happy holidays.

#23
Posted 12/27/2011 07:59 PM   
By the way, I did register my card within 30 days, but it prompted me if I wanted to buy either some warrenty, or some ekstra warrenty. I can't quite remember. I'm hoping the registration was enough for at least the basic warrenty? I think I was promted to buy up to 5 years or so.

And maybe I should mention I'm using 2 monitors. Although only one of them is doing the heavy lifting. Maybe that could cause the extra heat as well?
By the way, I did register my card within 30 days, but it prompted me if I wanted to buy either some warrenty, or some ekstra warrenty. I can't quite remember. I'm hoping the registration was enough for at least the basic warrenty? I think I was promted to buy up to 5 years or so.



And maybe I should mention I'm using 2 monitors. Although only one of them is doing the heavy lifting. Maybe that could cause the extra heat as well?

#24
Posted 12/28/2011 09:18 AM   
Hey guys....using this "Generic CRT" workaround does not prevent the 720p60 limitation right?
So on this Samsung monitor (nice monitor BTW), 3D would still be limited to 720p60 in 3D mode right?
Hey guys....using this "Generic CRT" workaround does not prevent the 720p60 limitation right?

So on this Samsung monitor (nice monitor BTW), 3D would still be limited to 720p60 in 3D mode right?

#25
Posted 01/01/2012 04:31 AM   
I was so excited to when my S27A950D finally arrived, only to have my feelings of ellation turn to dismay at nvidias underhanded tricks by disabling the workaround in the drivers. I've been a nvidia fanboi since geforce 2 days with a new card every generation almost, but sadly now no more. I have a great 3d monitor and a 3d tv (both samsung by the way) that nvidia seems to be at odds with. I moved over to using Tridef and it worked pretty good even with nvidia cards, but decided to buy a new ATI card (6970) and i'm now in seventh heaven. Skyrim in 3d is pure heaven, and no more ghosting. So my advice would be to ditch the nvidia card and grab an ATI one that supports it straight out of the box, $160+ cheaper than the equivilant nvidia model (GTX580) rather than buying a 3d vision kit ($299 Australia) that wont work with drivers later that 285.62 anyway.
I was so excited to when my S27A950D finally arrived, only to have my feelings of ellation turn to dismay at nvidias underhanded tricks by disabling the workaround in the drivers. I've been a nvidia fanboi since geforce 2 days with a new card every generation almost, but sadly now no more. I have a great 3d monitor and a 3d tv (both samsung by the way) that nvidia seems to be at odds with. I moved over to using Tridef and it worked pretty good even with nvidia cards, but decided to buy a new ATI card (6970) and i'm now in seventh heaven. Skyrim in 3d is pure heaven, and no more ghosting. So my advice would be to ditch the nvidia card and grab an ATI one that supports it straight out of the box, $160+ cheaper than the equivilant nvidia model (GTX580) rather than buying a 3d vision kit ($299 Australia) that wont work with drivers later that 285.62 anyway.

#26
Posted 01/09/2012 09:06 AM   
[quote]So on this Samsung monitor (nice monitor BTW), 3D would still be limited to 720p60 in 3D mode right? [/quote]

No, using the dual link DVI interface you get full HD (1920x1080) with 60 frames per eye (120Hz) using Generic-CRT mode.
Only HDMI 1.4 is limited to 720p at 60 frames per eye.
So on this Samsung monitor (nice monitor BTW), 3D would still be limited to 720p60 in 3D mode right?




No, using the dual link DVI interface you get full HD (1920x1080) with 60 frames per eye (120Hz) using Generic-CRT mode.

Only HDMI 1.4 is limited to 720p at 60 frames per eye.

#27
Posted 01/09/2012 07:38 PM   
[quote name='Xzoltan' date='28 December 2011 - 04:18 AM' timestamp='1325063908' post='1348026']
By the way, I did register my card within 30 days, but it prompted me if I wanted to buy either some warrenty, or some ekstra warrenty. I can't quite remember. I'm hoping the registration was enough for at least the basic warrenty? I think I was promted to buy up to 5 years or so.

And maybe I should mention I'm using 2 monitors. Although only one of them is doing the heavy lifting. Maybe that could cause the extra heat as well?
[/quote]
Yeah you're fine, registering grants you limited lifetime warranty. The extra warranty is just advanced RMA which can be a useful service if called upon, but really just an extra prepaid revenue method for EVGA to subsidize their RMA expense. It basically means they will ship you a working card before they receive your defective one, but it only applies to a single use per product. Generally I don't bother with it since I typically run SLI and have a backup card, if you only run a single GPU however it can help minimize downtime.

Running dual monitors may cause slightly higher temps when idle or using the desktop, but not a significant difference while gaming. The increased temps are probably just due to your GPU being fully utilized while in 3D, which is not uncommon or unexpected for a single GPU config. If you added a 2nd GPU for SLI, you might actually see the temps drop as GPU utilization would be approximately the same as a single GPU with Vsync enabled with 2 cards in SLI.
[quote name='Xzoltan' date='28 December 2011 - 04:18 AM' timestamp='1325063908' post='1348026']

By the way, I did register my card within 30 days, but it prompted me if I wanted to buy either some warrenty, or some ekstra warrenty. I can't quite remember. I'm hoping the registration was enough for at least the basic warrenty? I think I was promted to buy up to 5 years or so.



And maybe I should mention I'm using 2 monitors. Although only one of them is doing the heavy lifting. Maybe that could cause the extra heat as well?



Yeah you're fine, registering grants you limited lifetime warranty. The extra warranty is just advanced RMA which can be a useful service if called upon, but really just an extra prepaid revenue method for EVGA to subsidize their RMA expense. It basically means they will ship you a working card before they receive your defective one, but it only applies to a single use per product. Generally I don't bother with it since I typically run SLI and have a backup card, if you only run a single GPU however it can help minimize downtime.



Running dual monitors may cause slightly higher temps when idle or using the desktop, but not a significant difference while gaming. The increased temps are probably just due to your GPU being fully utilized while in 3D, which is not uncommon or unexpected for a single GPU config. If you added a 2nd GPU for SLI, you might actually see the temps drop as GPU utilization would be approximately the same as a single GPU with Vsync enabled with 2 cards in SLI.

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#28
Posted 01/09/2012 08:42 PM   
[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1324899269' post='1347311']
Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.

As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.

Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:

- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)
- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)
- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".
- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output
- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.
- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)

This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.

And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.
[/quote]

Nobsi and Chiz, thank you very much for your comments.

I've seen this Samsung monitor and I was quite impressed with the screen quality and design of this awesome 3D display. I love glossy screens as it makes the colours more vivid and gives better brightness and deeper blacks and the glass panel also resembles a LED HDTV unlike those ugly 3d vision matte anti glare LCD panels. I hate matte screens and I've been looking for a 3D 27" glossy screen. I finally find this monitor but unfortunatelly not 3D Vision Ready.

I live in Brazil and Samsung has only released here the LT27A950, which is a combination of HDTV and monitor, but it has no DVI-D, so no true 120hz, but the screen and design is the same as the S27A950D model and I was blown away with this monitor quality, it's like having a 27" 3D HDTV, the screen panel is the same quality as those new big Sammy LED 3DTVs.

All those new 3D Vision Ready monitors even the new lightboost ones are all the same, ugly design, cheap plastic bezel and matte Anti glare screens with nasty sparkle effect (why Asus or Acer don't use glossy I wonder, most of us play 3D in the dark anyway, who cares about reflections in a dark enviroment??)

I used to have a Samsung 2233rz display and now I own a Alienware OPT2310 to play games with 3D Vision and I do like its design, but I hate the matte AG screen. The colours are totally washed out and there's some ghosting. The biggest problem are the colours reproduction, there's no black levels, more like grey levels. The S27A950D on the other hand offers and amazing screen with a much richer picture with very deep blacks just like a LED HDTV.
I'm done with matte screens, I have a Macbook Air and love the glossy screen, my girlfriend has an Apple Thunderbolt display and I love the glossy IPS screen. I love glossy, beautiful colours, much deeper blacks and glass panel.

I was thinking about getting the new Asus 27" or the upcoming Acer 27" that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision 2 glasses and lightboost, but they all have matte screens and the colours will look just as ugly as they look in my Alienware 23" display and I bet the colours will look washed out and blacks will look grey due to the nasty anti glare heavy coating.

The Samsung new 3D monitor is by far superior to these 3D Vision Ready monitors, its really a pitty that it's not officially supported by Nvidia, as it's real 120hz and has a DVI dual link input.

I have a few questions I would like ask you owners of this beautiful S27A950D monitor as I'm really pretending on grabbing one as soon as it becomes available in my country so I can buy it. Right now only LT27A950 is available here in Brazil. But first I would like to clear some doubts I have about this awesome 3D monitor.

1 - I read in another forum that when using a workaround with this monitor to make 3D Vision function properly (using Generic CRT mode + 285.62 drivers), you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot like you've mentioned, but I read that if you use more than 20% depth, than you will mostly like get lots of ghosting, is that true? You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?
BTW, I have no intention of using DDD or IZ3D, I love 3D Vision and want keep using it with this monitor. 3D Vision is far superior to any other 3D solution in my opinion, and I've tried them all. Also 3D Vision support is way better for most games, no doubt about that.

2 - How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker??? I don't care about other 3D solutions, just 3dvision. I really hope it's brighter than most 3d vision displays in 3D mode. I know this monitor uses different technology, the glasses lens don't get darker like with Nvidia glasses, it's the monitor screen that gets darker, right?

3 - It sucks to find out that Nvidia no longer supports Generic CRT in the newer beta drivers, I'm still using 285.62 WHQL drivers and found out about this unpleasent news reading this thread. I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead? Both monitors, Alienware and Samsung are 3D, 120hz and 1080p, so I think this might work since it's just a way to fool Nvidia drivers into thinking I have a 3D Vision Ready monitor instead of Samsung. That trick worked for my 3D ready Plasma TV using Rollermod like I will describe below, so why not try this workaround for this new Sammy monitor?

I have a HDMI 1.4 Samsung 63" 3D Ready Plasma TV C7000 model and I dislike the HDMI 1.4 limitations such as 720p60hz or 1080p24hz. I've been using Rollermod for quite some time and being very happy so far. When I connect my TV as main monitor using rollermod, Nvidia drivers think I have a 3D HDMI 1.3 DLP TV instead of a new HDMI 1.4 TV, so I get Checkerboard 1080p60hz = 60fps per eye and half resolution 960x1080p or I can also chose Generic CRT frame sequential mode 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye and full resolution 1920x1080p. I can make this happen cause I'm using a different EDID for my samsung C7000 TV. Rollermod is an EDID based on the 1st 2008 Samsung 3D models that supported Checkerboard, long before the HDMI 1.4 3D TVs were available. So using this EDID workaround I can choose Checkerboard (DLP mode) and also frame sequential (Generic CRT mode) instead of lame 3DTV Play frame packing that works with HDMI 1.4 3DTVs.
I was lucky enough to buy one of those 2010 samsung 3D ready TVs that also supported Checkerboard (DLP mode) and frame sequential (Generic CRT mode). The new 2011/12 Samsung 3DTVs no longer support those modes unfortunatelly, just side-by-side, under-over and frame packing like all other 3D HDTVs.

If the EDID was fooled, or changed to a 3D vision compatible monitor, such as the acer/asus versions. The question is could a hack like so be able to get nvidia 3D to work? I think so.
Devices such as dvi doctor or using monitor assist manager to copy/edit the edid, I think that should work.

It might be possible to make the monitor recognized as a another compatible model, however due to the difference in timing and maybe optimization for use with Samsung's shutter glasses the end result might not be good, but I think there's a good chance it could be better than a few other 3D Vision Ready monitors. I really wish I had this monitor right now so I could try this trick.

That's why I've been wondering If I could do this trick using a different EDID for this Samsung S27A950D display so I could use a 3D Vision Ready monitor EDID for this monitor. I know how to extract EDID from my Alienware display, just don't have the Samsung monitor to try it out. I think it might work cause it's just a matter of certification I'm guessing, as all you need for hardware is a 120hz refresh rate, right?

the hardware needed is 120hz and also frame sequential mode used by 3D Vision drivers. Samsung monitor has all it takes I think. I'll send a message to Roller as his the guy that knows about this EDID tricks and shoukd come up with a solution or better workaround.

BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead, but then again, CRT is no longer available with newer drivers, so we can still use Checkerboard and play in 1080p120hz, but it won't be full resolution per eye, but still, we can use 3D Vision with this monitor, as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV and give me CB support. I am considering that although Nvidia choose to no longer support Generic CRT mode, they are still offering support for Checkerboard mode as a lot of folks are still using DLP TVs to play games with 3D Vision.

Now I must say I'm really frustrated about Nvidia no longer supporting Generic CRT mode. I don't want to update my Nvidia drivers anymore, cause I've been playing Batman AC in my Samsung 63" Plasma 3DTV and it looks amazing in Generic CRT mode using Rollermod. I can only get a max of 30fps, but for games like Batman it's totally playable at this frame rate unlike other games like COD MW3 and BF3 that really need 60fps to be played smoothly.

I must say Batman AC looks amazing in a 63" Plasma TV and I was totally blown away, I just can't get back to my Alienware display for games that I can use my Xbox Joy. I do get some ghosting issues in a few darker scenes, but overall the picture quality is amazing.

I could also play Batman in Checkerboard mode using my TV, but it's not full resolution per eye, but it still way better than 3DTV Play and its ugly 720p60hz scaled resolution. 1080p24hz is not suitable for gaming at all, unlike Generic CRT mode which I get 1080p60hz and 30fps per eye, which is playable for some games. 30fps is usually the consoles average frame rate.

I just can't believe that next time I'll upgrade my Nvidia drivers I won't find generic CRT mode available in the Nvidia Control Panel for my Samsung TV and will only be able to use Checkerboard mode. I just hope Nvidia doesn't ditch Checkerboard support as well...
This would kill my 3D gaming experience using my beloved Samsung Plasma TV, since I hate 3DTV Play and never used it for gaming as I don't stand a scaled 720p resolution.

I really would like to hear your thoughts about this monitor used together with 3D Vision. I could also send you S27A950D owners my Alieware EDID and explain how you can replace yours Samsung monitor EDID, and try out this new workaround.
There's a thread in this forum called Checkerboard for all created by the user Roller that explains this EDID workaound for Samsung 2010 TVs.

BTW, I heard that you can't use Tridef DDD in frame sequential mode having a Nvidia card with this monitor, only side-by-side, so does that mean that only games like Crysis 2 and a few others that have their own 3D solution and SBS mode will work with this monitor if You dont have a ATI card? I didn't quite understand this deal. BUT SBS is half resolution as well, not the same quality as FS mode.

Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses.
What sucks is that my Samsung C7000 Plasma TV uses the older Samsung IR 3D glasses and I have 4 of them and none will work with this new monitor since it uses BT instead of IR. It sucks to know I would have to buy an extra glass in case a friend comes to visit me. I wish I could use my older Samsung IR glasses and save some money. I think Samsung is the only brand out there that made their 2010 3D glasses totally outdated and incompatible with their 2011 line of 3D products. That really sucks.

I have a 3D Vision kit and extra glasses that I won't use anymore in case I get this monitor, but I will keep the kit cause I need the emitter for 3D Vision support. I might just sell the extra 3D vision glasses instead.

It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!! I just can't see how the new Asus and Acer 27" monitors can actually compare with the S27A950D.

Have a good one guys!!!!!
[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1324899269' post='1347311']

Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.



As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.



Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:



- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)

- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)

- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".

- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output

- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.

- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)



This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.



And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.





Nobsi and Chiz, thank you very much for your comments.



I've seen this Samsung monitor and I was quite impressed with the screen quality and design of this awesome 3D display. I love glossy screens as it makes the colours more vivid and gives better brightness and deeper blacks and the glass panel also resembles a LED HDTV unlike those ugly 3d vision matte anti glare LCD panels. I hate matte screens and I've been looking for a 3D 27" glossy screen. I finally find this monitor but unfortunatelly not 3D Vision Ready.



I live in Brazil and Samsung has only released here the LT27A950, which is a combination of HDTV and monitor, but it has no DVI-D, so no true 120hz, but the screen and design is the same as the S27A950D model and I was blown away with this monitor quality, it's like having a 27" 3D HDTV, the screen panel is the same quality as those new big Sammy LED 3DTVs.



All those new 3D Vision Ready monitors even the new lightboost ones are all the same, ugly design, cheap plastic bezel and matte Anti glare screens with nasty sparkle effect (why Asus or Acer don't use glossy I wonder, most of us play 3D in the dark anyway, who cares about reflections in a dark enviroment??)



I used to have a Samsung 2233rz display and now I own a Alienware OPT2310 to play games with 3D Vision and I do like its design, but I hate the matte AG screen. The colours are totally washed out and there's some ghosting. The biggest problem are the colours reproduction, there's no black levels, more like grey levels. The S27A950D on the other hand offers and amazing screen with a much richer picture with very deep blacks just like a LED HDTV.

I'm done with matte screens, I have a Macbook Air and love the glossy screen, my girlfriend has an Apple Thunderbolt display and I love the glossy IPS screen. I love glossy, beautiful colours, much deeper blacks and glass panel.



I was thinking about getting the new Asus 27" or the upcoming Acer 27" that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision 2 glasses and lightboost, but they all have matte screens and the colours will look just as ugly as they look in my Alienware 23" display and I bet the colours will look washed out and blacks will look grey due to the nasty anti glare heavy coating.



The Samsung new 3D monitor is by far superior to these 3D Vision Ready monitors, its really a pitty that it's not officially supported by Nvidia, as it's real 120hz and has a DVI dual link input.



I have a few questions I would like ask you owners of this beautiful S27A950D monitor as I'm really pretending on grabbing one as soon as it becomes available in my country so I can buy it. Right now only LT27A950 is available here in Brazil. But first I would like to clear some doubts I have about this awesome 3D monitor.



1 - I read in another forum that when using a workaround with this monitor to make 3D Vision function properly (using Generic CRT mode + 285.62 drivers), you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot like you've mentioned, but I read that if you use more than 20% depth, than you will mostly like get lots of ghosting, is that true? You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?

BTW, I have no intention of using DDD or IZ3D, I love 3D Vision and want keep using it with this monitor. 3D Vision is far superior to any other 3D solution in my opinion, and I've tried them all. Also 3D Vision support is way better for most games, no doubt about that.



2 - How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker??? I don't care about other 3D solutions, just 3dvision. I really hope it's brighter than most 3d vision displays in 3D mode. I know this monitor uses different technology, the glasses lens don't get darker like with Nvidia glasses, it's the monitor screen that gets darker, right?



3 - It sucks to find out that Nvidia no longer supports Generic CRT in the newer beta drivers, I'm still using 285.62 WHQL drivers and found out about this unpleasent news reading this thread. I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead? Both monitors, Alienware and Samsung are 3D, 120hz and 1080p, so I think this might work since it's just a way to fool Nvidia drivers into thinking I have a 3D Vision Ready monitor instead of Samsung. That trick worked for my 3D ready Plasma TV using Rollermod like I will describe below, so why not try this workaround for this new Sammy monitor?



I have a HDMI 1.4 Samsung 63" 3D Ready Plasma TV C7000 model and I dislike the HDMI 1.4 limitations such as 720p60hz or 1080p24hz. I've been using Rollermod for quite some time and being very happy so far. When I connect my TV as main monitor using rollermod, Nvidia drivers think I have a 3D HDMI 1.3 DLP TV instead of a new HDMI 1.4 TV, so I get Checkerboard 1080p60hz = 60fps per eye and half resolution 960x1080p or I can also chose Generic CRT frame sequential mode 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye and full resolution 1920x1080p. I can make this happen cause I'm using a different EDID for my samsung C7000 TV. Rollermod is an EDID based on the 1st 2008 Samsung 3D models that supported Checkerboard, long before the HDMI 1.4 3D TVs were available. So using this EDID workaround I can choose Checkerboard (DLP mode) and also frame sequential (Generic CRT mode) instead of lame 3DTV Play frame packing that works with HDMI 1.4 3DTVs.

I was lucky enough to buy one of those 2010 samsung 3D ready TVs that also supported Checkerboard (DLP mode) and frame sequential (Generic CRT mode). The new 2011/12 Samsung 3DTVs no longer support those modes unfortunatelly, just side-by-side, under-over and frame packing like all other 3D HDTVs.



If the EDID was fooled, or changed to a 3D vision compatible monitor, such as the acer/asus versions. The question is could a hack like so be able to get nvidia 3D to work? I think so.

Devices such as dvi doctor or using monitor assist manager to copy/edit the edid, I think that should work.



It might be possible to make the monitor recognized as a another compatible model, however due to the difference in timing and maybe optimization for use with Samsung's shutter glasses the end result might not be good, but I think there's a good chance it could be better than a few other 3D Vision Ready monitors. I really wish I had this monitor right now so I could try this trick.



That's why I've been wondering If I could do this trick using a different EDID for this Samsung S27A950D display so I could use a 3D Vision Ready monitor EDID for this monitor. I know how to extract EDID from my Alienware display, just don't have the Samsung monitor to try it out. I think it might work cause it's just a matter of certification I'm guessing, as all you need for hardware is a 120hz refresh rate, right?



the hardware needed is 120hz and also frame sequential mode used by 3D Vision drivers. Samsung monitor has all it takes I think. I'll send a message to Roller as his the guy that knows about this EDID tricks and shoukd come up with a solution or better workaround.



BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead, but then again, CRT is no longer available with newer drivers, so we can still use Checkerboard and play in 1080p120hz, but it won't be full resolution per eye, but still, we can use 3D Vision with this monitor, as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV and give me CB support. I am considering that although Nvidia choose to no longer support Generic CRT mode, they are still offering support for Checkerboard mode as a lot of folks are still using DLP TVs to play games with 3D Vision.



Now I must say I'm really frustrated about Nvidia no longer supporting Generic CRT mode. I don't want to update my Nvidia drivers anymore, cause I've been playing Batman AC in my Samsung 63" Plasma 3DTV and it looks amazing in Generic CRT mode using Rollermod. I can only get a max of 30fps, but for games like Batman it's totally playable at this frame rate unlike other games like COD MW3 and BF3 that really need 60fps to be played smoothly.



I must say Batman AC looks amazing in a 63" Plasma TV and I was totally blown away, I just can't get back to my Alienware display for games that I can use my Xbox Joy. I do get some ghosting issues in a few darker scenes, but overall the picture quality is amazing.



I could also play Batman in Checkerboard mode using my TV, but it's not full resolution per eye, but it still way better than 3DTV Play and its ugly 720p60hz scaled resolution. 1080p24hz is not suitable for gaming at all, unlike Generic CRT mode which I get 1080p60hz and 30fps per eye, which is playable for some games. 30fps is usually the consoles average frame rate.



I just can't believe that next time I'll upgrade my Nvidia drivers I won't find generic CRT mode available in the Nvidia Control Panel for my Samsung TV and will only be able to use Checkerboard mode. I just hope Nvidia doesn't ditch Checkerboard support as well...

This would kill my 3D gaming experience using my beloved Samsung Plasma TV, since I hate 3DTV Play and never used it for gaming as I don't stand a scaled 720p resolution.



I really would like to hear your thoughts about this monitor used together with 3D Vision. I could also send you S27A950D owners my Alieware EDID and explain how you can replace yours Samsung monitor EDID, and try out this new workaround.

There's a thread in this forum called Checkerboard for all created by the user Roller that explains this EDID workaound for Samsung 2010 TVs.



BTW, I heard that you can't use Tridef DDD in frame sequential mode having a Nvidia card with this monitor, only side-by-side, so does that mean that only games like Crysis 2 and a few others that have their own 3D solution and SBS mode will work with this monitor if You dont have a ATI card? I didn't quite understand this deal. BUT SBS is half resolution as well, not the same quality as FS mode.



Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses.

What sucks is that my Samsung C7000 Plasma TV uses the older Samsung IR 3D glasses and I have 4 of them and none will work with this new monitor since it uses BT instead of IR. It sucks to know I would have to buy an extra glass in case a friend comes to visit me. I wish I could use my older Samsung IR glasses and save some money. I think Samsung is the only brand out there that made their 2010 3D glasses totally outdated and incompatible with their 2011 line of 3D products. That really sucks.



I have a 3D Vision kit and extra glasses that I won't use anymore in case I get this monitor, but I will keep the kit cause I need the emitter for 3D Vision support. I might just sell the extra 3D vision glasses instead.



It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!! I just can't see how the new Asus and Acer 27" monitors can actually compare with the S27A950D.



Have a good one guys!!!!!

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[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1324899269' post='1347311']
Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.

As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.

Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:

- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)
- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)
- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".
- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output
- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.
- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)

This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.

And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.
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Nobsi and Chiz, thank you very much for your comments.

I've seen this Samsung monitor and I was quite impressed with the screen quality and design of this awesome 3D display. I love glossy screens as it makes the colours more vivid and gives better brightness and deeper blacks and the glass panel also resembles a LED HDTV unlike those ugly 3d vision matte anti glare LCD panels. I hate matte screens and I've been looking for a 3D 27" glossy screen. I finally find this monitor but unfortunatelly not 3D Vision Ready.

I live in Brazil and Samsung has only released here the LT27A950, which is a combination of HDTV and monitor, but it has no DVI-D, so no true 120hz, but the screen and design is the same as the S27A950D model and I was blown away with this monitor quality, it's like having a 27" 3D HDTV, the screen panel is the same quality as those new big Sammy LED 3DTVs.

All those new 3D Vision Ready monitors even the new lightboost ones are all the same, ugly design, cheap plastic bezel and matte Anti glare screens with nasty sparkle effect (why Asus or Acer don't use glossy I wonder, most of us play 3D in the dark anyway, who cares about reflections in a dark enviroment??)

I used to have a Samsung 2233rz display and now I own a Alienware OPT2310 to play games with 3D Vision and I do like its design, but I hate the matte AG screen. The colours are totally washed out and there's some ghosting. The biggest problem are the colours reproduction, there's no black levels, more like grey levels. The S27A950D on the other hand offers and amazing screen with a much richer picture with very deep blacks just like a LED HDTV.
I'm done with matte screens, I have a Macbook Air and love the glossy screen, my girlfriend has an Apple Thunderbolt display and I love the glossy IPS screen. I love glossy, beautiful colours, much deeper blacks and glass panel.

I was thinking about getting the new Asus 27" or the upcoming Acer 27" that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision 2 glasses and lightboost, but they all have matte screens and the colours will look just as ugly as they look in my Alienware 23" display and I bet the colours will look washed out and blacks will look grey due to the nasty anti glare heavy coating.

The Samsung new 3D monitor is by far superior to these 3D Vision Ready monitors, its really a pitty that it's not officially supported by Nvidia, as it's real 120hz and has a DVI dual link input.

I have a few questions I would like ask you owners of this beautiful S27A950D monitor as I'm really pretending on grabbing one as soon as it becomes available in my country so I can buy it. Right now only LT27A950 is available here in Brazil. But first I would like to clear some doubts I have about this awesome 3D monitor.

1 - I read in another forum that when using a workaround with this monitor to make 3D Vision function properly (using Generic CRT mode + 285.62 drivers), you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot like you've mentioned, but I read that if you use more than 20% depth, than you will mostly like get lots of ghosting, is that true? You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?
BTW, I have no intention of using DDD or IZ3D, I love 3D Vision and want keep using it with this monitor. 3D Vision is far superior to any other 3D solution in my opinion, and I've tried them all. Also 3D Vision support is way better for most games, no doubt about that.

2 - How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker??? I don't care about other 3D solutions, just 3dvision. I really hope it's brighter than most 3d vision displays in 3D mode. I know this monitor uses different technology, the glasses lens don't get darker like with Nvidia glasses, it's the monitor screen that gets darker, right?

3 - It sucks to find out that Nvidia no longer supports Generic CRT in the newer beta drivers, I'm still using 285.62 WHQL drivers and found out about this unpleasent news reading this thread. I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead? Both monitors, Alienware and Samsung are 3D, 120hz and 1080p, so I think this might work since it's just a way to fool Nvidia drivers into thinking I have a 3D Vision Ready monitor instead of Samsung. That trick worked for my 3D ready Plasma TV using Rollermod like I will describe below, so why not try this workaround for this new Sammy monitor?

I have a HDMI 1.4 Samsung 63" 3D Ready Plasma TV C7000 model and I dislike the HDMI 1.4 limitations such as 720p60hz or 1080p24hz. I've been using Rollermod for quite some time and being very happy so far. When I connect my TV as main monitor using rollermod, Nvidia drivers think I have a 3D HDMI 1.3 DLP TV instead of a new HDMI 1.4 TV, so I get Checkerboard 1080p60hz = 60fps per eye and half resolution 960x1080p or I can also chose Generic CRT frame sequential mode 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye and full resolution 1920x1080p. I can make this happen cause I'm using a different EDID for my samsung C7000 TV. Rollermod is an EDID based on the 1st 2008 Samsung 3D models that supported Checkerboard, long before the HDMI 1.4 3D TVs were available. So using this EDID workaround I can choose Checkerboard (DLP mode) and also frame sequential (Generic CRT mode) instead of lame 3DTV Play frame packing that works with HDMI 1.4 3DTVs.
I was lucky enough to buy one of those 2010 samsung 3D ready TVs that also supported Checkerboard (DLP mode) and frame sequential (Generic CRT mode). The new 2011/12 Samsung 3DTVs no longer support those modes unfortunatelly, just side-by-side, under-over and frame packing like all other 3D HDTVs.

If the EDID was fooled, or changed to a 3D vision compatible monitor, such as the acer/asus versions. The question is could a hack like so be able to get nvidia 3D to work? I think so.
Devices such as dvi doctor or using monitor assist manager to copy/edit the edid, I think that should work.

It might be possible to make the monitor recognized as a another compatible model, however due to the difference in timing and maybe optimization for use with Samsung's shutter glasses the end result might not be good, but I think there's a good chance it could be better than a few other 3D Vision Ready monitors. I really wish I had this monitor right now so I could try this trick.

That's why I've been wondering If I could do this trick using a different EDID for this Samsung S27A950D display so I could use a 3D Vision Ready monitor EDID for this monitor. I know how to extract EDID from my Alienware display, just don't have the Samsung monitor to try it out. I think it might work cause it's just a matter of certification I'm guessing, as all you need for hardware is a 120hz refresh rate, right?

the hardware needed is 120hz and also frame sequential mode used by 3D Vision drivers. Samsung monitor has all it takes I think. I'll send a message to Roller as his the guy that knows about this EDID tricks and shoukd come up with a solution or better workaround.

BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead, but then again, CRT is no longer available with newer drivers, so we can still use Checkerboard and play in 1080p120hz, but it won't be full resolution per eye, but still, we can use 3D Vision with this monitor, as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV and give me CB support. I am considering that although Nvidia choose to no longer support Generic CRT mode, they are still offering support for Checkerboard mode as a lot of folks are still using DLP TVs to play games with 3D Vision.

Now I must say I'm really frustrated about Nvidia no longer supporting Generic CRT mode. I don't want to update my Nvidia drivers anymore, cause I've been playing Batman AC in my Samsung 63" Plasma 3DTV and it looks amazing in Generic CRT mode using Rollermod. I can only get a max of 30fps, but for games like Batman it's totally playable at this frame rate unlike other games like COD MW3 and BF3 that really need 60fps to be played smoothly.

I must say Batman AC looks amazing in a 63" Plasma TV and I was totally blown away, I just can't get back to my Alienware display for games that I can use my Xbox Joy. I do get some ghosting issues in a few darker scenes, but overall the picture quality is amazing.

I could also play Batman in Checkerboard mode using my TV, but it's not full resolution per eye, but it still way better than 3DTV Play and its ugly 720p60hz scaled resolution. 1080p24hz is not suitable for gaming at all, unlike Generic CRT mode which I get 1080p60hz and 30fps per eye, which is playable for some games. 30fps is usually the consoles average frame rate.

I just can't believe that next time I'll upgrade my Nvidia drivers I won't find generic CRT mode available in the Nvidia Control Panel for my Samsung TV and will only be able to use Checkerboard mode. I just hope Nvidia doesn't ditch Checkerboard support as well...
This would kill my 3D gaming experience using my beloved Samsung Plasma TV, since I hate 3DTV Play and never used it for gaming as I don't stand a scaled 720p resolution.

I really would like to hear your thoughts about this monitor used together with 3D Vision. I could also send you S27A950D owners my Alieware EDID and explain how you can replace yours Samsung monitor EDID, and try out this new workaround.
There's a thread in this forum called Checkerboard for all created by the user Roller that explains this EDID workaound for Samsung 2010 TVs.

BTW, I heard that you can't use Tridef DDD in frame sequential mode having a Nvidia card with this monitor, only side-by-side, so does that mean that only games like Crysis 2 and a few others that have their own 3D solution and SBS mode will work with this monitor if You dont have a ATI card? I didn't quite understand this deal. BUT SBS is half resolution as well, not the same quality as FS mode.

Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses.
What sucks is that my Samsung C7000 Plasma TV uses the older Samsung IR 3D glasses and I have 4 of them and none will work with this new monitor since it uses BT instead of IR. It sucks to know I would have to buy an extra glass in case a friend comes to visit me. I wish I could use my older Samsung IR glasses and save some money. I think Samsung is the only brand out there that made their 2010 3D glasses totally outdated and incompatible with their 2011 line of 3D products. That really sucks.

I have a 3D Vision kit and extra glasses that I won't use anymore in case I get this monitor, but I will keep the kit cause I need the emitter for 3D Vision support. I might just sell the extra 3D vision glasses instead.

It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!! I just can't see how the new Asus and Acer 27" monitors can actually compare with the S27A950D.

Have a good one guys!!!!!
[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1324899269' post='1347311']

Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.



As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.



Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:



- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)

- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)

- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".

- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output

- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.

- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)



This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.



And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.





Nobsi and Chiz, thank you very much for your comments.



I've seen this Samsung monitor and I was quite impressed with the screen quality and design of this awesome 3D display. I love glossy screens as it makes the colours more vivid and gives better brightness and deeper blacks and the glass panel also resembles a LED HDTV unlike those ugly 3d vision matte anti glare LCD panels. I hate matte screens and I've been looking for a 3D 27" glossy screen. I finally find this monitor but unfortunatelly not 3D Vision Ready.



I live in Brazil and Samsung has only released here the LT27A950, which is a combination of HDTV and monitor, but it has no DVI-D, so no true 120hz, but the screen and design is the same as the S27A950D model and I was blown away with this monitor quality, it's like having a 27" 3D HDTV, the screen panel is the same quality as those new big Sammy LED 3DTVs.



All those new 3D Vision Ready monitors even the new lightboost ones are all the same, ugly design, cheap plastic bezel and matte Anti glare screens with nasty sparkle effect (why Asus or Acer don't use glossy I wonder, most of us play 3D in the dark anyway, who cares about reflections in a dark enviroment??)



I used to have a Samsung 2233rz display and now I own a Alienware OPT2310 to play games with 3D Vision and I do like its design, but I hate the matte AG screen. The colours are totally washed out and there's some ghosting. The biggest problem are the colours reproduction, there's no black levels, more like grey levels. The S27A950D on the other hand offers and amazing screen with a much richer picture with very deep blacks just like a LED HDTV.

I'm done with matte screens, I have a Macbook Air and love the glossy screen, my girlfriend has an Apple Thunderbolt display and I love the glossy IPS screen. I love glossy, beautiful colours, much deeper blacks and glass panel.



I was thinking about getting the new Asus 27" or the upcoming Acer 27" that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision 2 glasses and lightboost, but they all have matte screens and the colours will look just as ugly as they look in my Alienware 23" display and I bet the colours will look washed out and blacks will look grey due to the nasty anti glare heavy coating.



The Samsung new 3D monitor is by far superior to these 3D Vision Ready monitors, its really a pitty that it's not officially supported by Nvidia, as it's real 120hz and has a DVI dual link input.



I have a few questions I would like ask you owners of this beautiful S27A950D monitor as I'm really pretending on grabbing one as soon as it becomes available in my country so I can buy it. Right now only LT27A950 is available here in Brazil. But first I would like to clear some doubts I have about this awesome 3D monitor.



1 - I read in another forum that when using a workaround with this monitor to make 3D Vision function properly (using Generic CRT mode + 285.62 drivers), you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot like you've mentioned, but I read that if you use more than 20% depth, than you will mostly like get lots of ghosting, is that true? You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?

BTW, I have no intention of using DDD or IZ3D, I love 3D Vision and want keep using it with this monitor. 3D Vision is far superior to any other 3D solution in my opinion, and I've tried them all. Also 3D Vision support is way better for most games, no doubt about that.



2 - How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker??? I don't care about other 3D solutions, just 3dvision. I really hope it's brighter than most 3d vision displays in 3D mode. I know this monitor uses different technology, the glasses lens don't get darker like with Nvidia glasses, it's the monitor screen that gets darker, right?



3 - It sucks to find out that Nvidia no longer supports Generic CRT in the newer beta drivers, I'm still using 285.62 WHQL drivers and found out about this unpleasent news reading this thread. I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead? Both monitors, Alienware and Samsung are 3D, 120hz and 1080p, so I think this might work since it's just a way to fool Nvidia drivers into thinking I have a 3D Vision Ready monitor instead of Samsung. That trick worked for my 3D ready Plasma TV using Rollermod like I will describe below, so why not try this workaround for this new Sammy monitor?



I have a HDMI 1.4 Samsung 63" 3D Ready Plasma TV C7000 model and I dislike the HDMI 1.4 limitations such as 720p60hz or 1080p24hz. I've been using Rollermod for quite some time and being very happy so far. When I connect my TV as main monitor using rollermod, Nvidia drivers think I have a 3D HDMI 1.3 DLP TV instead of a new HDMI 1.4 TV, so I get Checkerboard 1080p60hz = 60fps per eye and half resolution 960x1080p or I can also chose Generic CRT frame sequential mode 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye and full resolution 1920x1080p. I can make this happen cause I'm using a different EDID for my samsung C7000 TV. Rollermod is an EDID based on the 1st 2008 Samsung 3D models that supported Checkerboard, long before the HDMI 1.4 3D TVs were available. So using this EDID workaround I can choose Checkerboard (DLP mode) and also frame sequential (Generic CRT mode) instead of lame 3DTV Play frame packing that works with HDMI 1.4 3DTVs.

I was lucky enough to buy one of those 2010 samsung 3D ready TVs that also supported Checkerboard (DLP mode) and frame sequential (Generic CRT mode). The new 2011/12 Samsung 3DTVs no longer support those modes unfortunatelly, just side-by-side, under-over and frame packing like all other 3D HDTVs.



If the EDID was fooled, or changed to a 3D vision compatible monitor, such as the acer/asus versions. The question is could a hack like so be able to get nvidia 3D to work? I think so.

Devices such as dvi doctor or using monitor assist manager to copy/edit the edid, I think that should work.



It might be possible to make the monitor recognized as a another compatible model, however due to the difference in timing and maybe optimization for use with Samsung's shutter glasses the end result might not be good, but I think there's a good chance it could be better than a few other 3D Vision Ready monitors. I really wish I had this monitor right now so I could try this trick.



That's why I've been wondering If I could do this trick using a different EDID for this Samsung S27A950D display so I could use a 3D Vision Ready monitor EDID for this monitor. I know how to extract EDID from my Alienware display, just don't have the Samsung monitor to try it out. I think it might work cause it's just a matter of certification I'm guessing, as all you need for hardware is a 120hz refresh rate, right?



the hardware needed is 120hz and also frame sequential mode used by 3D Vision drivers. Samsung monitor has all it takes I think. I'll send a message to Roller as his the guy that knows about this EDID tricks and shoukd come up with a solution or better workaround.



BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead, but then again, CRT is no longer available with newer drivers, so we can still use Checkerboard and play in 1080p120hz, but it won't be full resolution per eye, but still, we can use 3D Vision with this monitor, as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV and give me CB support. I am considering that although Nvidia choose to no longer support Generic CRT mode, they are still offering support for Checkerboard mode as a lot of folks are still using DLP TVs to play games with 3D Vision.



Now I must say I'm really frustrated about Nvidia no longer supporting Generic CRT mode. I don't want to update my Nvidia drivers anymore, cause I've been playing Batman AC in my Samsung 63" Plasma 3DTV and it looks amazing in Generic CRT mode using Rollermod. I can only get a max of 30fps, but for games like Batman it's totally playable at this frame rate unlike other games like COD MW3 and BF3 that really need 60fps to be played smoothly.



I must say Batman AC looks amazing in a 63" Plasma TV and I was totally blown away, I just can't get back to my Alienware display for games that I can use my Xbox Joy. I do get some ghosting issues in a few darker scenes, but overall the picture quality is amazing.



I could also play Batman in Checkerboard mode using my TV, but it's not full resolution per eye, but it still way better than 3DTV Play and its ugly 720p60hz scaled resolution. 1080p24hz is not suitable for gaming at all, unlike Generic CRT mode which I get 1080p60hz and 30fps per eye, which is playable for some games. 30fps is usually the consoles average frame rate.



I just can't believe that next time I'll upgrade my Nvidia drivers I won't find generic CRT mode available in the Nvidia Control Panel for my Samsung TV and will only be able to use Checkerboard mode. I just hope Nvidia doesn't ditch Checkerboard support as well...

This would kill my 3D gaming experience using my beloved Samsung Plasma TV, since I hate 3DTV Play and never used it for gaming as I don't stand a scaled 720p resolution.



I really would like to hear your thoughts about this monitor used together with 3D Vision. I could also send you S27A950D owners my Alieware EDID and explain how you can replace yours Samsung monitor EDID, and try out this new workaround.

There's a thread in this forum called Checkerboard for all created by the user Roller that explains this EDID workaound for Samsung 2010 TVs.



BTW, I heard that you can't use Tridef DDD in frame sequential mode having a Nvidia card with this monitor, only side-by-side, so does that mean that only games like Crysis 2 and a few others that have their own 3D solution and SBS mode will work with this monitor if You dont have a ATI card? I didn't quite understand this deal. BUT SBS is half resolution as well, not the same quality as FS mode.



Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses.

What sucks is that my Samsung C7000 Plasma TV uses the older Samsung IR 3D glasses and I have 4 of them and none will work with this new monitor since it uses BT instead of IR. It sucks to know I would have to buy an extra glass in case a friend comes to visit me. I wish I could use my older Samsung IR glasses and save some money. I think Samsung is the only brand out there that made their 2010 3D glasses totally outdated and incompatible with their 2011 line of 3D products. That really sucks.



I have a 3D Vision kit and extra glasses that I won't use anymore in case I get this monitor, but I will keep the kit cause I need the emitter for 3D Vision support. I might just sell the extra 3D vision glasses instead.



It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!! I just can't see how the new Asus and Acer 27" monitors can actually compare with the S27A950D.



Have a good one guys!!!!!

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