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Monoscopic gaming is dead!!! :P
Monoscopic gaming is dead!!! :P
#31
Posted 07/08/2014 04:32 PM   
I'm probably in the minority, but I think there will be an increase (at least in the short term) in the number of 3D Vision & Tridef users in the months after Oculus CV1 has been released. Once people get accustomed to 3D gaming, it will be difficult for them to game in 2D again. And since the number of VR titles will be limited initially, they'll explore other 3D options.
I'm probably in the minority, but I think there will be an increase (at least in the short term) in the number of 3D Vision & Tridef users in the months after Oculus CV1 has been released. Once people get accustomed to 3D gaming, it will be difficult for them to game in 2D again. And since the number of VR titles will be limited initially, they'll explore other 3D options.

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#32
Posted 07/08/2014 05:23 PM   
I see that there is a "Steam VR" folder in my Steam common folder now. I'm not sure if it's something new or something that installed with one of the many games I've recently downloaded. I see that it has driver_oculus.dll in it.
I see that there is a "Steam VR" folder in my Steam common folder now. I'm not sure if it's something new or something that installed with one of the many games I've recently downloaded.

I see that it has driver_oculus.dll in it.

#33
Posted 07/09/2014 01:45 AM   
[quote="bo3b"][ Sure NVidia has mostly dropped the ball, but even they are trying to do something, aka Compatibility Mode. We can hate on it, but you have to admit they put time and money into it. That would not seem to qualify as dead. For the devs, when did they ever support 3D? One or two here and there, just like now. Metro Last Light just came out, and it was freakin' good in real 3D. Moreover, a lot of devs have seen OR popularity and are looking at 3D for the first time ever. Doesn't really qualify as dead to me. Tridef is still a viable solution for some games for people who can use it. Still making new fixes, clearly not dead. Windows 8.0 actually includes a new stereoscopic API. Nobody has used it yet, but that doesn't seem dead to me. 3D movies make more money every year, and are growing. Clearly not dead. Then there is that game list. When I started playing 5 years ago, the list of high quality games was pretty short. Lots of games were sort of supported in automatic mode, and didn't look terrible, but still had a lot of flaws. Look at that HelixMod game list- which is longer than it's ever been. Pretty much all of those games are HelixReady. Lastly, we just this year have a viable DX11 wrapper that everyone presumed would simply not happen. We've fixed 4 games with it, it's a real thing. We have the ability to fix games! That means we are not at the whims of stupid developers or waiting forever for stupid corporations. Now when I think about it this way, I think, 3D has [i]never[/i] been in better shape.[/quote] Nvidia have created false 3D to make as little work as possible for themselves rather than actually fix the problem = leaving it to slowly rest in piece. A lot of devs have dabbled with 3D, just like the new Aliens game devs had (well for Oculus), then decided it was just some messing around and not to expect it. Tridef is dead, with a very few continuing to try to use it (prob ATI owners). I never said 3D movies were failing, though some of the increase in $ is because the tickets cost more. Yes the game list grew, doesn't so much now (unless fake 3D). As for fixes, it's seemingly more and more just removing shader after shader till the game doesn't look too glitchy... (hehe, the Saints row fix works for even less people since it's sli only) As one of the primary places for 3D users the post count here is pretty thin, which is telling, I'm not being a hater on 3D, just a realist, 3D is in bad shape, getting just 4 DX11 games working is not winning it's trying to survive (I am NOT knocking peoples hard work).
bo3b said:[

Sure NVidia has mostly dropped the ball, but even they are trying to do something, aka Compatibility Mode. We can hate on it, but you have to admit they put time and money into it. That would not seem to qualify as dead.

For the devs, when did they ever support 3D? One or two here and there, just like now. Metro Last Light just came out, and it was freakin' good in real 3D. Moreover, a lot of devs have seen OR popularity and are looking at 3D for the first time ever. Doesn't really qualify as dead to me.

Tridef is still a viable solution for some games for people who can use it. Still making new fixes, clearly not dead.

Windows 8.0 actually includes a new stereoscopic API. Nobody has used it yet, but that doesn't seem dead to me.

3D movies make more money every year, and are growing. Clearly not dead.

Then there is that game list. When I started playing 5 years ago, the list of high quality games was pretty short. Lots of games were sort of supported in automatic mode, and didn't look terrible, but still had a lot of flaws. Look at that HelixMod game list- which is longer than it's ever been. Pretty much all of those games are HelixReady.

Lastly, we just this year have a viable DX11 wrapper that everyone presumed would simply not happen. We've fixed 4 games with it, it's a real thing. We have the ability to fix games! That means we are not at the whims of stupid developers or waiting forever for stupid corporations.

Now when I think about it this way, I think, 3D has never been in better shape.


Nvidia have created false 3D to make as little work as possible for themselves rather than actually fix the problem = leaving it to slowly rest in piece.

A lot of devs have dabbled with 3D, just like the new Aliens game devs had (well for Oculus), then decided it was just some messing around and not to expect it.

Tridef is dead, with a very few continuing to try to use it (prob ATI owners).

I never said 3D movies were failing, though some of the increase in $ is because the tickets cost more.

Yes the game list grew, doesn't so much now (unless fake 3D).

As for fixes, it's seemingly more and more just removing shader after shader till the game doesn't look too glitchy... (hehe, the Saints row fix works for even less people since it's sli only)

As one of the primary places for 3D users the post count here is pretty thin, which is telling, I'm not being a hater on 3D, just a realist, 3D is in bad shape, getting just 4 DX11 games working is not winning it's trying to survive (I am NOT knocking peoples hard work).

#34
Posted 07/09/2014 08:24 AM   
There's so much wrong with what you just posted, and we all know that. But I'm not going to take it apart to argue with you, because feeding the trolls is pointless.
There's so much wrong with what you just posted, and we all know that.

But I'm not going to take it apart to argue with you, because feeding the trolls is pointless.

#35
Posted 07/09/2014 08:26 AM   
@ZedEx48K & InSync As I stated in a previous post, if one is a 3D gaming enthusiast, what other choices does one [u]currently[/u] have? Tridef? Oculus DK1? 3DS? So you think 3D Vision is 'dead'. But compared to what exactly?
@ZedEx48K & InSync

As I stated in a previous post, if one is a 3D gaming enthusiast, what other choices does one currently have? Tridef? Oculus DK1? 3DS?

So you think 3D Vision is 'dead'. But compared to what exactly?

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#36
Posted 07/09/2014 09:05 AM   
MAN! Talk about ungrateful wretches. Me and Mike bust our asses to make some really terrific game fixes, and you have the nerve to say "getting just 4 DX11 games to work is not winning." Thanks for all your hard work too. Pretty much the only reason I work on this stuff is to share cool things with other people. I also appreciate a heartfelt 'thanks' too. Coming in here and saying "well, it's not very good is it?". And, "you don't seem to have very many do you?" Is the very definition of an ingrate. Edit: to tone it down, but still insult the ingrates.
MAN! Talk about ungrateful wretches. Me and Mike bust our asses to make some really terrific game fixes, and you have the nerve to say "getting just 4 DX11 games to work is not winning." Thanks for all your hard work too.

Pretty much the only reason I work on this stuff is to share cool things with other people. I also appreciate a heartfelt 'thanks' too.

Coming in here and saying "well, it's not very good is it?". And, "you don't seem to have very many do you?" Is the very definition of an ingrate.


Edit: to tone it down, but still insult the ingrates.

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#37
Posted 07/09/2014 10:05 AM   
Just ignore them bo3b, they're clearly idiots.
Just ignore them bo3b, they're clearly idiots.

#38
Posted 07/09/2014 10:14 AM   
Bo3b, Please call them names, tell them to f*** off, show them reason in their madness, but whatever you do, do not take these clowns seriously, or worse, put anything they say to heart. That would be total victory for them. One might say that us giving them any attention at all is bad enough. So what these utter morrons are saying is: "3D is dead because ... moneyz". Wow. As if we don't already know this. And what we're saying is: If you have half a brain, a good setup, and eyes, you would never want to play another game in 2D. Simples. We just cannot get enough people to discover this, so there is not enough demand, hence lack of corporate incentive. By their judgement, if a scientist discovers the cure for cancer, but it's too technical to explain to the masses, or too expensive to pursuit as endeavor, we should declare it "dead", and stop all developments, accept it as "lost". You guys are modern "heroes" of advanced entertainment, better than anything currently available. You should not need encouragement, that's how rare your talent is. Nor should you be discouraged by frustrated and illiterate internet kids (or by the small rate of 3D adoption, for whatever reason that is). Thank you for all you do!
Bo3b,
Please call them names, tell them to f*** off, show them reason in their madness, but whatever you do, do not take these clowns seriously, or worse, put anything they say to heart. That would be total victory for them. One might say that us giving them any attention at all is bad enough.

So what these utter morrons are saying is: "3D is dead because ... moneyz".
Wow. As if we don't already know this.

And what we're saying is: If you have half a brain, a good setup, and eyes, you would never want to play another game in 2D. Simples. We just cannot get enough people to discover this, so there is not enough demand, hence lack of corporate incentive.

By their judgement, if a scientist discovers the cure for cancer, but it's too technical to explain to the masses, or too expensive to pursuit as endeavor, we should declare it "dead", and stop all developments, accept it as "lost".

You guys are modern "heroes" of advanced entertainment, better than anything currently available. You should not need encouragement, that's how rare your talent is. Nor should you be discouraged by frustrated and illiterate internet kids (or by the small rate of 3D adoption, for whatever reason that is).
Thank you for all you do!

#39
Posted 07/09/2014 10:48 AM   
I agree with the above without the community fixes I wouldn't be gaming anymore. NVidia also notice we were not happy with the support and get us 3D compatible mode which isn't great but it shows support and it is better then nothing. I been involved since the late 70's in the video game business and be far this is the best bang for my buck. I can't see going back to 2D gaming at all. In my option the reason 3D didn't caught on was due to retail market there is no place to view a proper 3D setup . Example Metro Last Light was displayed by NVidia at a show but no in 3D. And Bo3b even the fixes I can't use because I don't have SLI setup I'm great full than 3D vision is being supported.
I agree with the above without the community fixes I wouldn't be gaming anymore.
NVidia also notice we were not happy with the support and get us 3D compatible mode which isn't great but it shows support and it is better then nothing.

I been involved since the late 70's in the video game business and be far this is the best bang for my buck.

I can't see going back to 2D gaming at all.

In my option the reason 3D didn't caught on was due to retail market there is no place to view a proper 3D setup .

Example Metro Last Light was displayed by NVidia at a show but no in 3D.

And Bo3b even the fixes I can't use because I don't have SLI setup I'm great full than 3D vision is being supported.

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#40
Posted 07/09/2014 11:10 AM   
Zed, I think Bo3b bundled you together with InSync out of frustration, he's been working very hard on these fixes. You seem to suggest that Nvidia is consciously killing 3D, out of a hidden agenda. I don't think we have enough reason or proof to believe this. The only conspiracy theory I would accept right now is that they are paid by the console makers, because frankly, if a console player sees even once Black Flag with Bo3b and Mike's fix, what reason do they have left to live :-) But I don't think Nvidia would stoop to accepting payment from inferior gaming platforms, when they have their own PC business to handle, still going strong. But who knows, maybe you're right. But then PC is dead as well, not only 3D. In any case, regardless of our own opinions on the matter, I believe that as posters in this forum we should not only recognize that we're here "for a reason", meaning we love 3D, but we should also observe some basic human etiquette, in the sense that we should try to be constructive and positive (of course, I agree, without being self-dellusional, which is what InSync suggested we all are).
Zed, I think Bo3b bundled you together with InSync out of frustration, he's been working very hard on these fixes.
You seem to suggest that Nvidia is consciously killing 3D, out of a hidden agenda. I don't think we have enough reason or proof to believe this. The only conspiracy theory I would accept right now is that they are paid by the console makers, because frankly, if a console player sees even once Black Flag with Bo3b and Mike's fix, what reason do they have left to live :-)
But I don't think Nvidia would stoop to accepting payment from inferior gaming platforms, when they have their own PC business to handle, still going strong.
But who knows, maybe you're right. But then PC is dead as well, not only 3D.

In any case, regardless of our own opinions on the matter, I believe that as posters in this forum we should not only recognize that we're here "for a reason", meaning we love 3D, but we should also observe some basic human etiquette, in the sense that we should try to be constructive and positive (of course, I agree, without being self-dellusional, which is what InSync suggested we all are).

#41
Posted 07/09/2014 11:43 AM   
[quote="ZedEx48K"]F**k me! You all claim to be intelligent people.. ..I am being an intelligent person airing a view. [/quote] There's nothing intelligent about this view: [quote="ZedEx48K"]Yes the game list grew, doesn't so much now (unless fake 3D). As for fixes, it's seemingly more and more just removing shader after shader till the game doesn't look too glitchy... [/quote] Name any of the recent fixes on Helixmod that were fixed that way. Hell, name ANY game on the games list (not on the Problematic list) that were fixed that way. And you & InSync still haven't answered my question I posted previously.
ZedEx48K said:F**k me! You all claim to be intelligent people.. ..I am being an intelligent person airing a view.


There's nothing intelligent about this view:

ZedEx48K said:Yes the game list grew, doesn't so much now (unless fake 3D).

As for fixes, it's seemingly more and more just removing shader after shader till the game doesn't look too glitchy...



Name any of the recent fixes on Helixmod that were fixed that way. Hell, name ANY game on the games list (not on the Problematic list) that were fixed that way.

And you & InSync still haven't answered my question I posted previously.

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#42
Posted 07/09/2014 11:48 AM   
[quote="Zappologist"] You seem to suggest that Nvidia is consciously killing 3D, out of a hidden agenda.[/quote] Naah, I just think they don't really care any more, the other problem is most games are created with the consoles in mind first followed by the PC release, at that point there is little care for a big recode to make 3D work when it's a big enough chore for a lot of them just to make it work well enough in 2D at times, Dark souls being a classic example.
Zappologist said:
You seem to suggest that Nvidia is consciously killing 3D, out of a hidden agenda.


Naah, I just think they don't really care any more, the other problem is most games are created with the consoles in mind first followed by the PC release, at that point there is little care for a big recode to make 3D work when it's a big enough chore for a lot of them just to make it work well enough in 2D at times, Dark souls being a classic example.

#43
Posted 07/09/2014 12:01 PM   
[quote="4everAwake"]@ZedEx48K & InSync As I stated in a previous post, if one is a 3D gaming enthusiast, what other choices does one [u]currently[/u] have? Tridef? Oculus DK1? 3DS? So you think 3D Vision is 'dead'. But compared to what exactly? [/quote] Ok your reply since you seem to be demanding it, 3D vision does NOT have to be compared to anything else to have an alive or dead status! Tridef is dead, the dev saw no money in it, his attempt to open source it for a cash grab failed too! (last I looked)
4everAwake said:@ZedEx48K & InSync

As I stated in a previous post, if one is a 3D gaming enthusiast, what other choices does one currently have? Tridef? Oculus DK1? 3DS?

So you think 3D Vision is 'dead'. But compared to what exactly?





Ok your reply since you seem to be demanding it, 3D vision does NOT have to be compared to anything else to have an alive or dead status!

Tridef is dead, the dev saw no money in it, his attempt to open source it for a cash grab failed too! (last I looked)

#44
Posted 07/09/2014 12:05 PM   
[quote="ZedEx48K"][quote="4everAwake"]@ZedEx48K & InSync As I stated in a previous post, if one is a 3D gaming enthusiast, what other choices does one [u]currently[/u] have? Tridef? Oculus DK1? 3DS? So you think 3D Vision is 'dead'. But compared to what exactly? [/quote] Ok your reply since you seem to be demanding it, 3D vision does NOT have to be compared to anything else to have an alive or dead status! Tridef is dead, the dev saw no money in it, his attempt to open source it for a cash grab failed too! (last I looked)[/quote] Get the facts right IZ3D is dead not Tridef.
ZedEx48K said:
4everAwake said:@ZedEx48K & InSync

As I stated in a previous post, if one is a 3D gaming enthusiast, what other choices does one currently have? Tridef? Oculus DK1? 3DS?

So you think 3D Vision is 'dead'. But compared to what exactly?





Ok your reply since you seem to be demanding it, 3D vision does NOT have to be compared to anything else to have an alive or dead status!

Tridef is dead, the dev saw no money in it, his attempt to open source it for a cash grab failed too! (last I looked)


Get the facts right IZ3D is dead not Tridef.

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#45
Posted 07/09/2014 12:08 PM   
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