Sorry, my confusion. I didn't realize that Zotac was a 3 slot design. In terms of thermals with 2 slot gap between SLI cards, it would work like a champ. That fan design is going to get a [i]lot [/i]more air than the NVidia reference blower design.
Kind of a moot point, Out of Stock. :->
[quote="eqzitara"]690 might be better then a Titan. I honestly havent looked into that since they were both new and drivers are always shit then and data is inaccurate.
The difference between a 690 does not = $350 off for a 780 also no batman AO with a titan or 690 for whatever reason. So thats practically $400 price difference. Its very hard to recommend a $1000 690 over a $600 780.
690 is just not really a good choice in todays market. 690 may of been amazing cards for price when they came out but price has not dropped since release. Might be great for you since you have no plans to SLI it seems but mostly everyone will.[/quote]
GTX 690 is still far superior performance compared to Titan. Here is NVidia's comparison graph:
[img]http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/shared/images/products/shared/lineup.png[/img]
SLI always wins in performance benchmarks I've seen. Still, I agree that 690 is not the best value. Dual GTX 680, at normal price is $400x2=$800, for exactly the same configuration. Mostly overkill for 1280x720@120 gaming, but for 1080@120 it'll matter.
I've given up on NVidia's naming/number scheme. It's all just marketing now, like calling an overclocked 680 a 770. I now treat video cards the same way I did the guns in Borderlands.
You know how in Borderlands you get a million guns with inscrutable differences? Swap or sell? I could never really tell. So, I went with price. If this gun is more expensive than that gun, it must be better overall.
For NVidia cards, I think it's the same. If you put down $1K, you get what that buys you in performance. Some games better some worse, but roughly comparable. If you buy a $300 card, it'll be roughly comparable to whatever $300 buys in last gen. An imperfect measure, but close.
Sorry, my confusion. I didn't realize that Zotac was a 3 slot design. In terms of thermals with 2 slot gap between SLI cards, it would work like a champ. That fan design is going to get a lot more air than the NVidia reference blower design.
Kind of a moot point, Out of Stock. :->
eqzitara said:690 might be better then a Titan. I honestly havent looked into that since they were both new and drivers are always shit then and data is inaccurate.
The difference between a 690 does not = $350 off for a 780 also no batman AO with a titan or 690 for whatever reason. So thats practically $400 price difference. Its very hard to recommend a $1000 690 over a $600 780.
690 is just not really a good choice in todays market. 690 may of been amazing cards for price when they came out but price has not dropped since release. Might be great for you since you have no plans to SLI it seems but mostly everyone will.
GTX 690 is still far superior performance compared to Titan. Here is NVidia's comparison graph:
SLI always wins in performance benchmarks I've seen. Still, I agree that 690 is not the best value. Dual GTX 680, at normal price is $400x2=$800, for exactly the same configuration. Mostly overkill for 1280x720@120 gaming, but for 1080@120 it'll matter.
I've given up on NVidia's naming/number scheme. It's all just marketing now, like calling an overclocked 680 a 770. I now treat video cards the same way I did the guns in Borderlands.
You know how in Borderlands you get a million guns with inscrutable differences? Swap or sell? I could never really tell. So, I went with price. If this gun is more expensive than that gun, it must be better overall.
For NVidia cards, I think it's the same. If you put down $1K, you get what that buys you in performance. Some games better some worse, but roughly comparable. If you buy a $300 card, it'll be roughly comparable to whatever $300 buys in last gen. An imperfect measure, but close.
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[quote="eqzitara"]690 might be better then a Titan. I honestly havent looked into that since they were both new and drivers are always shit then and data is inaccurate.
The difference between a 690 does not = $350 off for a 780 also no batman AO with a titan or 690 for whatever reason. So thats practically $400 price difference. Its very hard to recommend a $1000 690 over a $600 780.
690 is just not really a good choice in todays market. 690 may of been amazing cards for price when they came out but price has not dropped since release. Might be great for you since you have no plans to SLI it seems but mostly everyone will.[/quote]
Yeah I agree with the value thing at today's prices. But when I bought my 690, the 7s were not out yet of course, and price of a 680 was such that investing in an SLI setup would have been equal in cost. I made my decision based on reasons 1) Why spend the same amount for roughly the same performance, but yet introduce potential problems with SLI profiles, etc..? 2) Why add that extra heat and noise in my system for the same performance/price?
SLI setups are cool, no doubt. I've had 2 SLI setups previously. But it just didn't make sense for this build based on the market value at the time.
When I mentioned the idea of buying a 690, I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, if someone IS concerned about heat and noise, there is currently nothing better than the 690.
eqzitara said:690 might be better then a Titan. I honestly havent looked into that since they were both new and drivers are always shit then and data is inaccurate.
The difference between a 690 does not = $350 off for a 780 also no batman AO with a titan or 690 for whatever reason. So thats practically $400 price difference. Its very hard to recommend a $1000 690 over a $600 780.
690 is just not really a good choice in todays market. 690 may of been amazing cards for price when they came out but price has not dropped since release. Might be great for you since you have no plans to SLI it seems but mostly everyone will.
Yeah I agree with the value thing at today's prices. But when I bought my 690, the 7s were not out yet of course, and price of a 680 was such that investing in an SLI setup would have been equal in cost. I made my decision based on reasons 1) Why spend the same amount for roughly the same performance, but yet introduce potential problems with SLI profiles, etc..? 2) Why add that extra heat and noise in my system for the same performance/price?
SLI setups are cool, no doubt. I've had 2 SLI setups previously. But it just didn't make sense for this build based on the market value at the time.
When I mentioned the idea of buying a 690, I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, if someone IS concerned about heat and noise, there is currently nothing better than the 690.
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[quote="SnickerSnack"][quote="eqzitara"]690 might be better then a Titan. I honestly havent looked into that since they were both new and drivers are always shit then and data is inaccurate.
The difference between a 690 does not = $350 off for a 780 also no batman AO with a titan or 690 for whatever reason. So thats practically $400 price difference. Its very hard to recommend a $1000 690 over a $600 780.
690 is just not really a good choice in todays market. 690 may of been amazing cards for price when they came out but price has not dropped since release. Might be great for you since you have no plans to SLI it seems but mostly everyone will.[/quote]
Yeah I agree with the value thing at today's prices. But when I bought my 690, the 7s were not out yet of course, and price of a 680 was such that investing in an SLI setup would have been equal in cost. I made my decision based on reasons 1) Why spend the same amount for roughly the same performance, but yet introduce potential problems with SLI profiles, etc..? 2) Why add that extra heat and noise in my system for the same performance/price?
SLI setups are cool, no doubt. I've had 2 SLI setups previously. But it just didn't make sense for this build based on the market value at the time.
When I mentioned the idea of buying a 690, I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, if someone IS concerned about heat and noise, there is currently nothing better than the 690. [/quote]
I hope you realize your 690 is a dual gpu card therefore has the "potential sli problems" as you put it.
eqzitara said:690 might be better then a Titan. I honestly havent looked into that since they were both new and drivers are always shit then and data is inaccurate.
The difference between a 690 does not = $350 off for a 780 also no batman AO with a titan or 690 for whatever reason. So thats practically $400 price difference. Its very hard to recommend a $1000 690 over a $600 780.
690 is just not really a good choice in todays market. 690 may of been amazing cards for price when they came out but price has not dropped since release. Might be great for you since you have no plans to SLI it seems but mostly everyone will.
Yeah I agree with the value thing at today's prices. But when I bought my 690, the 7s were not out yet of course, and price of a 680 was such that investing in an SLI setup would have been equal in cost. I made my decision based on reasons 1) Why spend the same amount for roughly the same performance, but yet introduce potential problems with SLI profiles, etc..? 2) Why add that extra heat and noise in my system for the same performance/price?
SLI setups are cool, no doubt. I've had 2 SLI setups previously. But it just didn't make sense for this build based on the market value at the time.
When I mentioned the idea of buying a 690, I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, if someone IS concerned about heat and noise, there is currently nothing better than the 690.
I hope you realize your 690 is a dual gpu card therefore has the "potential sli problems" as you put it.
[quote="eqzitara"]I always thought that while it was "dual gpu" it wasnt considered sli.[/quote]
That's correct. It is not treated as SLI in the drivers whatsoever. It is a single GPU as far as the software is concerned. Sorry Sammy123, nice try.
[quote="eqzitara"]I always thought that while it was "dual gpu" it wasnt considered sli.[/quote]
While the connection of the gpu's(2x gk104, downclocked 680 cores) are slightly different, scaling problems are the same so i consider it a sli. Memory is also mirrored and 690 has 2gb of usable memory, just like 680 sli.
Only advantage is that dual gpu cards are generally easier to cool and take up 1 pcie slot. I prefer 2 individual cards because i can sell one, or keep using computer if other one breaks down.
[quote="SnickerSnack"][quote="eqzitara"]I always thought that while it was "dual gpu" it wasnt considered sli.[/quote]
That's correct. It is not treated as SLI in the drivers whatsoever. It is a single GPU as far as the software is concerned. Sorry Sammy123, nice try. [/quote]
No, that is incorrect. 690 has same problems that 680 sli has and is not considered a single gpu. It needs a sli profile and you can even disable one gpu from the control panel.
eqzitara said:I always thought that while it was "dual gpu" it wasnt considered sli.
While the connection of the gpu's(2x gk104, downclocked 680 cores) are slightly different, scaling problems are the same so i consider it a sli. Memory is also mirrored and 690 has 2gb of usable memory, just like 680 sli.
Only advantage is that dual gpu cards are generally easier to cool and take up 1 pcie slot. I prefer 2 individual cards because i can sell one, or keep using computer if other one breaks down.
SnickerSnack said:
eqzitara said:I always thought that while it was "dual gpu" it wasnt considered sli.
That's correct. It is not treated as SLI in the drivers whatsoever. It is a single GPU as far as the software is concerned. Sorry Sammy123, nice try.
No, that is incorrect. 690 has same problems that 680 sli has and is not considered a single gpu. It needs a sli profile and you can even disable one gpu from the control panel.
Okay, finally found a good explanation. Go nuts
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/497856/dual-gpu-cards-sli-a-question-i-39-m-having-a-hard-time-figuring-out-/
e: oops i thought i edited. my bad
[quote="sammy123"]Okay, finally found a good explanation. Go nuts
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/497856/dual-gpu-cards-sli-a-question-i-39-m-having-a-hard-time-figuring-out-/
e: oops i thought i edited. my bad[/quote]
I apologize, that is info I was not aware of. I didn't read all of it, but I'm still not sold on the idea that it requires SLI profiles, but maybe so.
My reason for stating that the card is treated like a single GPU in the Control Panel is because there is no reference to SLI there. Although after reading that explanation, I AM remembering the feature to enable/disable Multi-GPU performance. I just never gave it much thought since it doesn't state anything about SLI. That's actually kinda cool, because I've been driving three displays pretty much since I've owned the card, and so it has been running on a single GPU all this time. The card has never blinked running anything I've thrown at it, and now I find out I have twice the power! Sweet!
I apologize, that is info I was not aware of. I didn't read all of it, but I'm still not sold on the idea that it requires SLI profiles, but maybe so.
My reason for stating that the card is treated like a single GPU in the Control Panel is because there is no reference to SLI there. Although after reading that explanation, I AM remembering the feature to enable/disable Multi-GPU performance. I just never gave it much thought since it doesn't state anything about SLI. That's actually kinda cool, because I've been driving three displays pretty much since I've owned the card, and so it has been running on a single GPU all this time. The card has never blinked running anything I've thrown at it, and now I find out I have twice the power! Sweet!
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As far as I can see, there are - and only ever were - two good reasons to get a Titan:
1 - To get something that approximates a 690 (or 2x680) but without the inherent disadvantages of a dual-GPU setup (space, heat, power, potential microstuttering, inefficient SLI profiles, etc.)
2- To get 2 Titans in SLI, and have performance that can't be matched by anything else on the market
In either case, I think a Titan is clearly a better choice than a 690, unless budget is your primary concern (in which case a Titan is not the best choice under any circumstances whatsoever, lol).
That was my thinking anyway, when I upgraded from my 680 (I first went with option 1, then a month or so later got greedy and bought another one for option 2).
A 680 is still a great card though. Although at this stage I wouldn't buy one, but would save up for a high- or mid-range 8xx card next year. I suspect that none of the 6xx cards will work particularly well for next-gen games, due to their low vram. Vram has been largely irrelevant in recent years, but will probably start to become a bottleneck once games are being built for the new consoles with their 8gb of combined ram.
As far as I can see, there are - and only ever were - two good reasons to get a Titan:
1 - To get something that approximates a 690 (or 2x680) but without the inherent disadvantages of a dual-GPU setup (space, heat, power, potential microstuttering, inefficient SLI profiles, etc.)
2- To get 2 Titans in SLI, and have performance that can't be matched by anything else on the market
In either case, I think a Titan is clearly a better choice than a 690, unless budget is your primary concern (in which case a Titan is not the best choice under any circumstances whatsoever, lol).
That was my thinking anyway, when I upgraded from my 680 (I first went with option 1, then a month or so later got greedy and bought another one for option 2).
A 680 is still a great card though. Although at this stage I wouldn't buy one, but would save up for a high- or mid-range 8xx card next year. I suspect that none of the 6xx cards will work particularly well for next-gen games, due to their low vram. Vram has been largely irrelevant in recent years, but will probably start to become a bottleneck once games are being built for the new consoles with their 8gb of combined ram.
@Volnaiskra: You convinced me in a different thread, that VRAM is something to seriously consider. I run 1.5G right now, but I think that the minimum for an upgraded card will be 3G for some future proofing.
I run into some small problems with 1.5G even now. In GTA4 for example, I can't turn everything all the way up, because of VRAM.
@Volnaiskra: You convinced me in a different thread, that VRAM is something to seriously consider. I run 1.5G right now, but I think that the minimum for an upgraded card will be 3G for some future proofing.
I run into some small problems with 1.5G even now. In GTA4 for example, I can't turn everything all the way up, because of VRAM.
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Kind of a moot point, Out of Stock. :->
GTX 690 is still far superior performance compared to Titan. Here is NVidia's comparison graph:
SLI always wins in performance benchmarks I've seen. Still, I agree that 690 is not the best value. Dual GTX 680, at normal price is $400x2=$800, for exactly the same configuration. Mostly overkill for 1280x720@120 gaming, but for 1080@120 it'll matter.
I've given up on NVidia's naming/number scheme. It's all just marketing now, like calling an overclocked 680 a 770. I now treat video cards the same way I did the guns in Borderlands.
You know how in Borderlands you get a million guns with inscrutable differences? Swap or sell? I could never really tell. So, I went with price. If this gun is more expensive than that gun, it must be better overall.
For NVidia cards, I think it's the same. If you put down $1K, you get what that buys you in performance. Some games better some worse, but roughly comparable. If you buy a $300 card, it'll be roughly comparable to whatever $300 buys in last gen. An imperfect measure, but close.
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Yeah I agree with the value thing at today's prices. But when I bought my 690, the 7s were not out yet of course, and price of a 680 was such that investing in an SLI setup would have been equal in cost. I made my decision based on reasons 1) Why spend the same amount for roughly the same performance, but yet introduce potential problems with SLI profiles, etc..? 2) Why add that extra heat and noise in my system for the same performance/price?
SLI setups are cool, no doubt. I've had 2 SLI setups previously. But it just didn't make sense for this build based on the market value at the time.
When I mentioned the idea of buying a 690, I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, if someone IS concerned about heat and noise, there is currently nothing better than the 690.
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I hope you realize your 690 is a dual gpu card therefore has the "potential sli problems" as you put it.
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That's correct. It is not treated as SLI in the drivers whatsoever. It is a single GPU as far as the software is concerned. Sorry Sammy123, nice try.
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While the connection of the gpu's(2x gk104, downclocked 680 cores) are slightly different, scaling problems are the same so i consider it a sli. Memory is also mirrored and 690 has 2gb of usable memory, just like 680 sli.
Only advantage is that dual gpu cards are generally easier to cool and take up 1 pcie slot. I prefer 2 individual cards because i can sell one, or keep using computer if other one breaks down.
No, that is incorrect. 690 has same problems that 680 sli has and is not considered a single gpu. It needs a sli profile and you can even disable one gpu from the control panel.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/497856/dual-gpu-cards-sli-a-question-i-39-m-having-a-hard-time-figuring-out-/
e: oops i thought i edited. my bad
I apologize, that is info I was not aware of. I didn't read all of it, but I'm still not sold on the idea that it requires SLI profiles, but maybe so.
My reason for stating that the card is treated like a single GPU in the Control Panel is because there is no reference to SLI there. Although after reading that explanation, I AM remembering the feature to enable/disable Multi-GPU performance. I just never gave it much thought since it doesn't state anything about SLI. That's actually kinda cool, because I've been driving three displays pretty much since I've owned the card, and so it has been running on a single GPU all this time. The card has never blinked running anything I've thrown at it, and now I find out I have twice the power! Sweet!
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1 - To get something that approximates a 690 (or 2x680) but without the inherent disadvantages of a dual-GPU setup (space, heat, power, potential microstuttering, inefficient SLI profiles, etc.)
2- To get 2 Titans in SLI, and have performance that can't be matched by anything else on the market
In either case, I think a Titan is clearly a better choice than a 690, unless budget is your primary concern (in which case a Titan is not the best choice under any circumstances whatsoever, lol).
That was my thinking anyway, when I upgraded from my 680 (I first went with option 1, then a month or so later got greedy and bought another one for option 2).
A 680 is still a great card though. Although at this stage I wouldn't buy one, but would save up for a high- or mid-range 8xx card next year. I suspect that none of the 6xx cards will work particularly well for next-gen games, due to their low vram. Vram has been largely irrelevant in recent years, but will probably start to become a bottleneck once games are being built for the new consoles with their 8gb of combined ram.
I run into some small problems with 1.5G even now. In GTA4 for example, I can't turn everything all the way up, because of VRAM.
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