My 3D Vision experiences ... I'd like some feedback
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[quote name='defmetal' date='06 December 2010 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1291598157' post='1156456']
I'll try what you suggested, I didn't even know you could modify those settings. Nobody told me there were advanced settings lol.

3D Vision does not work on Plasma or LED/LCD TVs by default, the adapters do not fit in the slots. Only on the DLP TVs.
However, 3DTV Play (Also from Nvidia) does work on them. However, I strongly discourage you from trying to do gaming on it in 3D because it just looks awful. It's either 720p @ 60hz with extreme ghosting, or 1080p @ 24hz.
I tried playing Dragon Age Origins on the 42" TV I mentioned above, and it looked so horrible I had to turn it off.

However it looked absolutely amazing on the 65" TV, It's just that, DLP on-screen text from computers is near unreadable.

To answer your statement yes Nvidia has an overscan correction, that only works with 3D Vision hooked directly up to the back of the TV, it does not work with 3DTV Play. If I use the overscan correction, the 3D does look good, however, because the fonts are no longer in native resolution, it makes small text even harder on the eyes to read. (It's not my personal vision thats the issue, just to point that out, I have LASIK and I have very good eye sight, its just that the fonts are so close together and look blurry on DLPs)


BTW I hope no one thinks im ranting against 3D, I like it and really want it to work well. It's just, been more of a headache then a good experience.
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Man that's heart breaking that the DLP has the texts all small in game like that. I was looking forward to buying a DLP tv for nvidia 3d vision but now i'm skeptical. You know how annoying it would be to buy a DLP, test it, be dissapointed then LUG that big thing back to the store to return it? aww man.
[quote name='defmetal' date='06 December 2010 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1291598157' post='1156456']

I'll try what you suggested, I didn't even know you could modify those settings. Nobody told me there were advanced settings lol.



3D Vision does not work on Plasma or LED/LCD TVs by default, the adapters do not fit in the slots. Only on the DLP TVs.

However, 3DTV Play (Also from Nvidia) does work on them. However, I strongly discourage you from trying to do gaming on it in 3D because it just looks awful. It's either 720p @ 60hz with extreme ghosting, or 1080p @ 24hz.

I tried playing Dragon Age Origins on the 42" TV I mentioned above, and it looked so horrible I had to turn it off.



However it looked absolutely amazing on the 65" TV, It's just that, DLP on-screen text from computers is near unreadable.



To answer your statement yes Nvidia has an overscan correction, that only works with 3D Vision hooked directly up to the back of the TV, it does not work with 3DTV Play. If I use the overscan correction, the 3D does look good, however, because the fonts are no longer in native resolution, it makes small text even harder on the eyes to read. (It's not my personal vision thats the issue, just to point that out, I have LASIK and I have very good eye sight, its just that the fonts are so close together and look blurry on DLPs)





BTW I hope no one thinks im ranting against 3D, I like it and really want it to work well. It's just, been more of a headache then a good experience.





Man that's heart breaking that the DLP has the texts all small in game like that. I was looking forward to buying a DLP tv for nvidia 3d vision but now i'm skeptical. You know how annoying it would be to buy a DLP, test it, be dissapointed then LUG that big thing back to the store to return it? aww man.

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Posted 12/06/2010 09:12 AM   
[quote name='jenson' date='06 December 2010 - 01:12 AM' timestamp='1291626777' post='1156638']
Man that's heart breaking that the DLP has the texts all small in game like that. I was looking forward to buying a DLP tv for nvidia 3d vision but now i'm skeptical. You know how annoying it would be to buy a DLP, test it, be dissapointed then LUG that big thing back to the store to return it? aww man.
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As the thread says, DLPs are the best visual 3D experience... It's just DLPs in their general nature look bad as PC monitors. Feel free to google that outside of this thread, DLPs and computer fonts don't play nicely together.
Also, while a lot of DLPs have overscan correction, ALL of them disable it while using 3D modes because an underscan is not native resolution.

If you want a DLP, get it because you want a big TV at a low price (DLPs are cheap, I bought mine off newegg for $1100 last year), but don't expect it to be "zomg amazing!" as a computer display.

I will say though, the LCD I bought from Sony, has an amazing picture as a computer monitor. It has the correct colors, the display updates fast, it's GREAT for gaming, as long as 3D is turned off, then I'm limited to 24hz >.>


ACTUALLY!!!! I have a better question now !!
Is there a converter to allow me to use Nvidias glasses on the LCD I have? The problem I have is that the cord that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision only plugs into DLPs, not sony bravia TVs, but if I was able to use the nvidia adapter it should work at 1080p @ 60hz and thus be good right? Cuz ... it works that way on DLPs at least.
[quote name='jenson' date='06 December 2010 - 01:12 AM' timestamp='1291626777' post='1156638']

Man that's heart breaking that the DLP has the texts all small in game like that. I was looking forward to buying a DLP tv for nvidia 3d vision but now i'm skeptical. You know how annoying it would be to buy a DLP, test it, be dissapointed then LUG that big thing back to the store to return it? aww man.



As the thread says, DLPs are the best visual 3D experience... It's just DLPs in their general nature look bad as PC monitors. Feel free to google that outside of this thread, DLPs and computer fonts don't play nicely together.

Also, while a lot of DLPs have overscan correction, ALL of them disable it while using 3D modes because an underscan is not native resolution.



If you want a DLP, get it because you want a big TV at a low price (DLPs are cheap, I bought mine off newegg for $1100 last year), but don't expect it to be "zomg amazing!" as a computer display.



I will say though, the LCD I bought from Sony, has an amazing picture as a computer monitor. It has the correct colors, the display updates fast, it's GREAT for gaming, as long as 3D is turned off, then I'm limited to 24hz >.>





ACTUALLY!!!! I have a better question now !!

Is there a converter to allow me to use Nvidias glasses on the LCD I have? The problem I have is that the cord that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision only plugs into DLPs, not sony bravia TVs, but if I was able to use the nvidia adapter it should work at 1080p @ 60hz and thus be good right? Cuz ... it works that way on DLPs at least.

#17
Posted 12/06/2010 09:45 AM   
[quote name='defmetal' date='06 December 2010 - 09:45 AM' timestamp='1291628724' post='1156654']
ACTUALLY!!!! I have a better question now !!
Is there a converter to allow me to use Nvidias glasses on the LCD I have? The problem I have is that the cord that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision only plugs into DLPs, not sony bravia TVs, but if I was able to use the nvidia adapter it should work at 1080p @ 60hz and thus be good right? Cuz ... it works that way on DLPs at least.
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The adapter is not the limitation its hdmi and the way flat panels use 3D. They either use side-by-side or top-bottom which actually takes 2 simultaneous images. Whereas checkerboard (dlp format) does not. If you could find an lcd or preferably plasma with checkerboard format then you're in to win a 1920x1080@60Hz with no overscan and no blurry text (at least in theory).

Read what this guy said:
[quote name='itomeshi' date='28 November 2010 - 08:50 PM' timestamp='1290977406' post='1152802']
Another thread mentioned a limitation of the HDMI 1.4 spec, and I'd suspect it's the cause. They mentioned that the HDMI 1.4 spec allows for 'framepacking' 3D (which is full-res 3d) at 720p @ 60Hz, or 1080p @ 24Hz. They mentioned this is due to the bandwidth limitations, though then the poster started to talk about DisplayPort being better and NVidia not having enough influence over HDMI. It got political, so my interest waned a bit. :)
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@Jenson
It should be noted that DLPs cannot, ever, display sharp text because DLP projection do not produce black, they simply project the void of light in its place so white seeps in and makes text edges blurry. This is a problem on the desktop especially but also in games that contrast light backgrounds with dark text or vice versa. Not all games have this issue and the desktop/internet UI colors can be changed if its too much of an eyestrain.
[quote name='defmetal' date='06 December 2010 - 09:45 AM' timestamp='1291628724' post='1156654']

ACTUALLY!!!! I have a better question now !!

Is there a converter to allow me to use Nvidias glasses on the LCD I have? The problem I have is that the cord that comes with Nvidia 3D Vision only plugs into DLPs, not sony bravia TVs, but if I was able to use the nvidia adapter it should work at 1080p @ 60hz and thus be good right? Cuz ... it works that way on DLPs at least.





The adapter is not the limitation its hdmi and the way flat panels use 3D. They either use side-by-side or top-bottom which actually takes 2 simultaneous images. Whereas checkerboard (dlp format) does not. If you could find an lcd or preferably plasma with checkerboard format then you're in to win a 1920x1080@60Hz with no overscan and no blurry text (at least in theory).



Read what this guy said:

[quote name='itomeshi' date='28 November 2010 - 08:50 PM' timestamp='1290977406' post='1152802']

Another thread mentioned a limitation of the HDMI 1.4 spec, and I'd suspect it's the cause. They mentioned that the HDMI 1.4 spec allows for 'framepacking' 3D (which is full-res 3d) at 720p @ 60Hz, or 1080p @ 24Hz. They mentioned this is due to the bandwidth limitations, though then the poster started to talk about DisplayPort being better and NVidia not having enough influence over HDMI. It got political, so my interest waned a bit. :)







@Jenson

It should be noted that DLPs cannot, ever, display sharp text because DLP projection do not produce black, they simply project the void of light in its place so white seeps in and makes text edges blurry. This is a problem on the desktop especially but also in games that contrast light backgrounds with dark text or vice versa. Not all games have this issue and the desktop/internet UI colors can be changed if its too much of an eyestrain.

#18
Posted 12/06/2010 09:15 PM   
[quote name='ACIDFAN' date='06 December 2010 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1291670135' post='1156942']
The adapter is not the limitation its hdmi and the way flat panels use 3D. They either use side-by-side or top-bottom which actually takes 2 simultaneous images. Whereas checkerboard (dlp format) does not. If you could find an lcd or preferably plasma with checkerboard format then you're in to win a 1920x1080@60Hz with no overscan and no blurry text (at least in theory).

Read what this guy said:



@Jenson
It should be noted that DLPs cannot, ever, display sharp text because DLP projection do not produce black, they simply project the void of light in its place so white seeps in and makes text edges blurry. This is a problem on the desktop especially but also in games that contrast light backgrounds with dark text or vice versa. Not all games have this issue and the desktop/internet UI colors can be changed if its too much of an eyestrain.
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Ah I actually didn't know why DLPs look bad for fonts. Now it kind of makes sense lol.

The font issue goes away with very large fonts, but most games can't adjust font size.


Oh and what I meant by ghosting earlier, let me explain that a little better.
The 3D image it creates looks fine, it's just you can see a faint ghost image of both the left and ride side surrounding the 3d mode.
If you dont look closely the 3d matches up well, and it does look good. It's just, that slight ghosting is part of what breaks the immersion.
But this seems to be an lcd/led limitation.


So the real solution is to find a magic LCD with checkerboard format ... great.
[quote name='ACIDFAN' date='06 December 2010 - 01:15 PM' timestamp='1291670135' post='1156942']

The adapter is not the limitation its hdmi and the way flat panels use 3D. They either use side-by-side or top-bottom which actually takes 2 simultaneous images. Whereas checkerboard (dlp format) does not. If you could find an lcd or preferably plasma with checkerboard format then you're in to win a 1920x1080@60Hz with no overscan and no blurry text (at least in theory).



Read what this guy said:







@Jenson

It should be noted that DLPs cannot, ever, display sharp text because DLP projection do not produce black, they simply project the void of light in its place so white seeps in and makes text edges blurry. This is a problem on the desktop especially but also in games that contrast light backgrounds with dark text or vice versa. Not all games have this issue and the desktop/internet UI colors can be changed if its too much of an eyestrain.







Ah I actually didn't know why DLPs look bad for fonts. Now it kind of makes sense lol.



The font issue goes away with very large fonts, but most games can't adjust font size.





Oh and what I meant by ghosting earlier, let me explain that a little better.

The 3D image it creates looks fine, it's just you can see a faint ghost image of both the left and ride side surrounding the 3d mode.

If you dont look closely the 3d matches up well, and it does look good. It's just, that slight ghosting is part of what breaks the immersion.

But this seems to be an lcd/led limitation.





So the real solution is to find a magic LCD with checkerboard format ... great.

#19
Posted 12/08/2010 07:00 PM   
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