Ok if you have links put them here. I have not seen any reviews on this matter and I am reading everything.
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.
I am at work and really shouldn’t even be on these forums. (lol) I don’t want to push it and go scouring this place for the threads for you. I will gather up the links when I get home.
I am at work and really shouldn’t even be on these forums. (lol) I don’t want to push it and go scouring this place for the threads for you. I will gather up the links when I get home.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032084' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:05 PM']Ok if you have links put them here. I have not seen any reviews on this matter and I am reading everything.
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.[/quote]
You know, he just went to great lengths to explain this to you.
With all due respect, this is not rocket science. You're quick to believe that videocard hardware can make a difference to this relatively self explanatory and rather obvious long standing issue, yet a detailed reasoned explanation of why it happens goes right over your head!
It's not a product of his imagination, it's actually common sense as to why this happens.
The information he's already provided you is VERY easy to find on the net, if you're genuinely interested you can find it quickly. Otherwise you're just doing a bit of trolling here.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032084' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:05 PM']Ok if you have links put them here. I have not seen any reviews on this matter and I am reading everything.
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.
You know, he just went to great lengths to explain this to you.
With all due respect, this is not rocket science. You're quick to believe that videocard hardware can make a difference to this relatively self explanatory and rather obvious long standing issue, yet a detailed reasoned explanation of why it happens goes right over your head!
It's not a product of his imagination, it's actually common sense as to why this happens.
The information he's already provided you is VERY easy to find on the net, if you're genuinely interested you can find it quickly. Otherwise you're just doing a bit of trolling here.
No there is not such any trusthworthy information on the net, based on measurements with scientific instruments.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.
No there is not such any trusthworthy information on the net, based on measurements with scientific instruments.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032117' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:14 PM']No there is not such any trusthworthy information on the net, based on measurements with scientific instruments.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.[/quote]
Forget it, forget it, forget it.
This began as just a discussion. As I said I would provide the links for you when I get home from work. I can check that off my to do list when I get home.
Now, I actually consider myself an nVidia fanboy, I refuse to even consider ATI products, but I am not blind to the fact that all things are not perfect and wonderful all the time, you, however, have gone beyond the relm of reason, hoping for the best, and being a fan of a brand, to being completely irrational, antagonistic, and insulting.
You can’t find the evidence because you don’t want to. You can’t understand what I have explained because you don’t want to.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032117' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:14 PM']No there is not such any trusthworthy information on the net, based on measurements with scientific instruments.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.
Forget it, forget it, forget it.
This began as just a discussion. As I said I would provide the links for you when I get home from work. I can check that off my to do list when I get home.
Now, I actually consider myself an nVidia fanboy, I refuse to even consider ATI products, but I am not blind to the fact that all things are not perfect and wonderful all the time, you, however, have gone beyond the relm of reason, hoping for the best, and being a fan of a brand, to being completely irrational, antagonistic, and insulting.
You can’t find the evidence because you don’t want to. You can’t understand what I have explained because you don’t want to.
I would really really love to believe that nVidia have finally woken up and fixed the broken glasses delay registry settings but it seems to me that there are two possibilities here:
1. nVidia have decided to start paying attention to their customers and responded to our repeated requests for this feature to be fixed so that most of the well documented and completely unnecessary ghosting problems which have plagued many users for over a year can be eliminated at a stroke.
2. This is the cruelest April Fools' day hoax ever.
Given the abysmal level of driver support since the launch of 3D Vision, #2 just seems much more likely tbh, though I'd be delighted to be wrong. (Having said that, delight would quickly turn to disgust if nVidia were to confine the fix to Fermi drivers and not make it universal for all 3D Vision compatible cards).
Cheers,
DD
I would really really love to believe that nVidia have finally woken up and fixed the broken glasses delay registry settings but it seems to me that there are two possibilities here:
1. nVidia have decided to start paying attention to their customers and responded to our repeated requests for this feature to be fixed so that most of the well documented and completely unnecessary ghosting problems which have plagued many users for over a year can be eliminated at a stroke.
2. This is the cruelest April Fools' day hoax ever.
Given the abysmal level of driver support since the launch of 3D Vision, #2 just seems much more likely tbh, though I'd be delighted to be wrong. (Having said that, delight would quickly turn to disgust if nVidia were to confine the fix to Fermi drivers and not make it universal for all 3D Vision compatible cards).
common sense fact: LCD displays refresh top to bottom (common knowledge)
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.
common sense fact: LCD displays refresh top to bottom (common knowledge)
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.
[quote name='vaelo' post='1032138' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:37 PM']common sense fact: LCD displays refresh top to bottom (common knowledge)
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.[/quote]
Don’t waste your time, seriously, just don’t. He can’t find the evidence and won’t spend the time do so and honestly I think just wants argue. If this were biology he will probably claim that germs don’t exist either because he can’t see them, and that there is no scientific way to prove they do because he has never used a microscope.
[quote name='vaelo' post='1032138' date='Apr 1 2010, 02:37 PM']common sense fact: LCD displays refresh top to bottom (common knowledge)
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.
Don’t waste your time, seriously, just don’t. He can’t find the evidence and won’t spend the time do so and honestly I think just wants argue. If this were biology he will probably claim that germs don’t exist either because he can’t see them, and that there is no scientific way to prove they do because he has never used a microscope.
[quote name='MistaP' post='1032142' date='Apr 1 2010, 01:43 PM']Don’t waste your time, seriously, just don’t. He can’t find the evidence and won’t spend the time do so and honestly I think just wants argue. If this were biology he will probably claim that germs don’t exist either because he can’t see them, and that there is no scientific way to prove they do because he has never used a microscope.[/quote]
[quote name='MistaP' post='1032142' date='Apr 1 2010, 01:43 PM']Don’t waste your time, seriously, just don’t. He can’t find the evidence and won’t spend the time do so and honestly I think just wants argue. If this were biology he will probably claim that germs don’t exist either because he can’t see them, and that there is no scientific way to prove they do because he has never used a microscope.
[quote name='vaelo' post='1032138' date='Apr 1 2010, 09:37 PM']common sense fact: LCD displays refresh top to bottom (common knowledge)
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off[/quote]
This does not mean that you can not implement algorithms which would compensate it. Considering how complex Fermi is (mimd supercomputational unit) it is piece of cake for it to compensate.
I see that some of you are really hating Nvidia, then it is quiestion why you participate in this forum ...
And even it is proven now that ghosting is reduced ...
[quote name='vaelo' post='1032138' date='Apr 1 2010, 09:37 PM']common sense fact: LCD displays refresh top to bottom (common knowledge)
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
This does not mean that you can not implement algorithms which would compensate it. Considering how complex Fermi is (mimd supercomputational unit) it is piece of cake for it to compensate.
I see that some of you are really hating Nvidia, then it is quiestion why you participate in this forum ...
And even it is proven now that ghosting is reduced ...
Wow wow wow guys this is getting slightly outa hand :mellow:
And btw, it aint worth questioning wether this lcd thing is right or wrong, evidence or no evidence as there have already been mighty long discusisons on such subjects........ which solved nothing.
But genreally a LCD display takes a certain amount of milliseconds to change from 1 colour to the next, with the longest delay ( i think ) being from black to white......... This is probably why lcd ghost in high contrast scenens and something like a DLP projector dosent... (so ive read)
Wow wow wow guys this is getting slightly outa hand :mellow:
And btw, it aint worth questioning wether this lcd thing is right or wrong, evidence or no evidence as there have already been mighty long discusisons on such subjects........ which solved nothing.
But genreally a LCD display takes a certain amount of milliseconds to change from 1 colour to the next, with the longest delay ( i think ) being from black to white......... This is probably why lcd ghost in high contrast scenens and something like a DLP projector dosent... (so ive read)
Yeah but they can compensate image (chaning image on fly) to remove ghosting, it is doing so, I do not know how, but it is working and I am satisfied ...
Just find papers on methods for ghosting reduction ... log in your IEEE account and you can start with research, aaah I forgot you read only anandtech.
Yeah but they can compensate image (chaning image on fly) to remove ghosting, it is doing so, I do not know how, but it is working and I am satisfied ...
Just find papers on methods for ghosting reduction ... log in your IEEE account and you can start with research, aaah I forgot you read only anandtech.
Well, if you currenty have seen it and it IS better im actualy very confused :mellow:
Other than that it is, well i would think for it to be impossible for a white to grey response to become quicker from on the screen purely due to the GPU... as its a limitation of the screen not being able to change quick enough that keeps the Halo or ghost around the object. Only thing that can compensate is overdrive. Which is a feature of the screen and can lead to inacurate coulour reproduction.
if it dose reduce ghosting its another 1+ to me buying 480gtx
Well, if you currenty have seen it and it IS better im actualy very confused :mellow:
Other than that it is, well i would think for it to be impossible for a white to grey response to become quicker from on the screen purely due to the GPU... as its a limitation of the screen not being able to change quick enough that keeps the Halo or ghost around the object. Only thing that can compensate is overdrive. Which is a feature of the screen and can lead to inacurate coulour reproduction.
if it dose reduce ghosting its another 1+ to me buying 480gtx
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.[/quote]
You know, he just went to great lengths to explain this to you.
With all due respect, this is not rocket science. You're quick to believe that videocard hardware can make a difference to this relatively self explanatory and rather obvious long standing issue, yet a detailed reasoned explanation of why it happens goes right over your head!
It's not a product of his imagination, it's actually common sense as to why this happens.
The information he's already provided you is VERY easy to find on the net, if you're genuinely interested you can find it quickly. Otherwise you're just doing a bit of trolling here.
If you can not provide any links, maybe it is product of your imagination.
You know, he just went to great lengths to explain this to you.
With all due respect, this is not rocket science. You're quick to believe that videocard hardware can make a difference to this relatively self explanatory and rather obvious long standing issue, yet a detailed reasoned explanation of why it happens goes right over your head!
It's not a product of his imagination, it's actually common sense as to why this happens.
The information he's already provided you is VERY easy to find on the net, if you're genuinely interested you can find it quickly. Otherwise you're just doing a bit of trolling here.
Core i7 920 @ 3.6Ghz, 6GB 3 Channel, SLi GTX670 2GB, SSD
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.[/quote]
Forget it, forget it, forget it.
This began as just a discussion. As I said I would provide the links for you when I get home from work. I can check that off my to do list when I get home.
Now, I actually consider myself an nVidia fanboy, I refuse to even consider ATI products, but I am not blind to the fact that all things are not perfect and wonderful all the time, you, however, have gone beyond the relm of reason, hoping for the best, and being a fan of a brand, to being completely irrational, antagonistic, and insulting.
You can’t find the evidence because you don’t want to. You can’t understand what I have explained because you don’t want to.
You just can not provide any such a link, threfore it makes you angry that I am not manipulable enough to accept your version of truth, whereas new advances in technology are demostrated and proof that nvidia together with its partners is producing the finest hardware in the world. And actually it is comparable to rocket science, all these technologies are instantiated math together with state of the art chips technology.
Forget it, forget it, forget it.
This began as just a discussion. As I said I would provide the links for you when I get home from work. I can check that off my to do list when I get home.
Now, I actually consider myself an nVidia fanboy, I refuse to even consider ATI products, but I am not blind to the fact that all things are not perfect and wonderful all the time, you, however, have gone beyond the relm of reason, hoping for the best, and being a fan of a brand, to being completely irrational, antagonistic, and insulting.
You can’t find the evidence because you don’t want to. You can’t understand what I have explained because you don’t want to.
1. nVidia have decided to start paying attention to their customers and responded to our repeated requests for this feature to be fixed so that most of the well documented and completely unnecessary ghosting problems which have plagued many users for over a year can be eliminated at a stroke.
2. This is the cruelest April Fools' day hoax ever.
Given the abysmal level of driver support since the launch of 3D Vision, #2 just seems much more likely tbh, though I'd be delighted to be wrong. (Having said that, delight would quickly turn to disgust if nVidia were to confine the fix to Fermi drivers and not make it universal for all 3D Vision compatible cards).
Cheers,
DD
1. nVidia have decided to start paying attention to their customers and responded to our repeated requests for this feature to be fixed so that most of the well documented and completely unnecessary ghosting problems which have plagued many users for over a year can be eliminated at a stroke.
2. This is the cruelest April Fools' day hoax ever.
Given the abysmal level of driver support since the launch of 3D Vision, #2 just seems much more likely tbh, though I'd be delighted to be wrong. (Having said that, delight would quickly turn to disgust if nVidia were to confine the fix to Fermi drivers and not make it universal for all 3D Vision compatible cards).
Cheers,
DD
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.
Core i7 920 @ 3.6Ghz, 6GB 3 Channel, SLi GTX670 2GB, SSD
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.[/quote]
Don’t waste your time, seriously, just don’t. He can’t find the evidence and won’t spend the time do so and honestly I think just wants argue. If this were biology he will probably claim that germs don’t exist either because he can’t see them, and that there is no scientific way to prove they do because he has never used a microscope.
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
Now, by using your brain, you can figure the rest out pretty easily!
see? not rocket science! :)
If they are planning to allow custom timings (sounds like a possibility, after only being requested here maybe 1000 times) then that could help it for sure, at the expense of even more brightness loss (I think I'd rather live with the minor ghosting in most situations) and possibly some more perceived flicker.
Don’t waste your time, seriously, just don’t. He can’t find the evidence and won’t spend the time do so and honestly I think just wants argue. If this were biology he will probably claim that germs don’t exist either because he can’t see them, and that there is no scientific way to prove they do because he has never used a microscope.
Point taken
Point taken
Core i7 920 @ 3.6Ghz, 6GB 3 Channel, SLi GTX670 2GB, SSD
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off[/quote]
This does not mean that you can not implement algorithms which would compensate it. Considering how complex Fermi is (mimd supercomputational unit) it is piece of cake for it to compensate.
I see that some of you are really hating Nvidia, then it is quiestion why you participate in this forum ...
And even it is proven now that ghosting is reduced ...
common sense fact: The LCD shutters are (for all intents and purposes) either on/off
This does not mean that you can not implement algorithms which would compensate it. Considering how complex Fermi is (mimd supercomputational unit) it is piece of cake for it to compensate.
I see that some of you are really hating Nvidia, then it is quiestion why you participate in this forum ...
And even it is proven now that ghosting is reduced ...
And btw, it aint worth questioning wether this lcd thing is right or wrong, evidence or no evidence as there have already been mighty long discusisons on such subjects........ which solved nothing.
But genreally a LCD display takes a certain amount of milliseconds to change from 1 colour to the next, with the longest delay ( i think ) being from black to white......... This is probably why lcd ghost in high contrast scenens and something like a DLP projector dosent... (so ive read)
And btw, it aint worth questioning wether this lcd thing is right or wrong, evidence or no evidence as there have already been mighty long discusisons on such subjects........ which solved nothing.
But genreally a LCD display takes a certain amount of milliseconds to change from 1 colour to the next, with the longest delay ( i think ) being from black to white......... This is probably why lcd ghost in high contrast scenens and something like a DLP projector dosent... (so ive read)
Just find papers on methods for ghosting reduction ... log in your IEEE account and you can start with research, aaah I forgot you read only anandtech.
Just find papers on methods for ghosting reduction ... log in your IEEE account and you can start with research, aaah I forgot you read only anandtech.
Other than that it is, well i would think for it to be impossible for a white to grey response to become quicker from on the screen purely due to the GPU... as its a limitation of the screen not being able to change quick enough that keeps the Halo or ghost around the object. Only thing that can compensate is overdrive. Which is a feature of the screen and can lead to inacurate coulour reproduction.
if it dose reduce ghosting its another 1+ to me buying 480gtx
Other than that it is, well i would think for it to be impossible for a white to grey response to become quicker from on the screen purely due to the GPU... as its a limitation of the screen not being able to change quick enough that keeps the Halo or ghost around the object. Only thing that can compensate is overdrive. Which is a feature of the screen and can lead to inacurate coulour reproduction.
if it dose reduce ghosting its another 1+ to me buying 480gtx