Better for 3D gaming and normal PC use: LG 32LW570S or Asus VG278H?
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[quote="D-Man11"]@SnickerSnack Your TV may require you to use a specific HDMI input port. It may also require you to rename the port to PC. 3DTV Play works in 1080P but only at 24Hz. But if your model supports checkerboard, it's 1080i 60Hz. Also you'll need to set the TV as your main display. [/quote] Hey thanks for the tips. The next time I'm working on a game that supports an Xbox controller (thus allowing me to sit back on the couch) I'll give this stuff a try. In order to not totally derail the thread, let me just say that I have two monitors sitting on my desktop, in addition to the 52" TV hanging above. The 2D monitor is an LG that I paid $400 for. Granted, it is around 3-4 years old now, but the fact is that the ASUS 3D monitor has much better color fidelity and brightness, and is my preferred monitor even in 2D situations. I would definitely buy an ASUS again.
D-Man11 said:@SnickerSnack

Your TV may require you to use a specific HDMI input port. It may also require you to rename the port to PC.

3DTV Play works in 1080P but only at 24Hz. But if your model supports checkerboard, it's 1080i 60Hz.

Also you'll need to set the TV as your main display.



Hey thanks for the tips. The next time I'm working on a game that supports an Xbox controller (thus allowing me to sit back on the couch) I'll give this stuff a try.

In order to not totally derail the thread, let me just say that I have two monitors sitting on my desktop, in addition to the 52" TV hanging above. The 2D monitor is an LG that I paid $400 for. Granted, it is around 3-4 years old now, but the fact is that the ASUS 3D monitor has much better color fidelity and brightness, and is my preferred monitor even in 2D situations. I would definitely buy an ASUS again.

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#16
Posted 03/15/2013 12:41 PM   
[quote="SnickerSnack"][quote="D-Man11"]@SnickerSnack Your TV may require you to use a specific HDMI input port. It may also require you to rename the port to PC. 3DTV Play works in 1080P but only at 24Hz. But if your model supports checkerboard, it's 1080i 60Hz. Also you'll need to set the TV as your main display. [/quote] Hey thanks for the tips. The next time I'm working on a game that supports an Xbox controller (thus allowing me to sit back on the couch) I'll give this stuff a try. [/quote] Seriously, give xpadder or joytokey a go. i have played a of of older games e.g. Tomb raiders, psyconaughts etc with these programs and found it to be quite amazing. I would say that with these programs pretty much any game you would want to play with a controller (other then obviously games where mouse is imperative e.g. rts or some rpgs) would be close to perfect. I would love to use my tv as a console sometimes, but its HUGE (I have 6 HDDS) im waiting for a decent client based system where i can stream to my TV and use a wireless controller over the network... I know valve have been talking about this with steambox. Also playstation 4 is doing it, so hopefully something will be out soon that fills my needs.
SnickerSnack said:
D-Man11 said:@SnickerSnack

Your TV may require you to use a specific HDMI input port. It may also require you to rename the port to PC.

3DTV Play works in 1080P but only at 24Hz. But if your model supports checkerboard, it's 1080i 60Hz.

Also you'll need to set the TV as your main display.



Hey thanks for the tips. The next time I'm working on a game that supports an Xbox controller (thus allowing me to sit back on the couch) I'll give this stuff a try.


Seriously, give xpadder or joytokey a go. i have played a of of older games e.g. Tomb raiders, psyconaughts etc with these programs and found it to be quite amazing. I would say that with these programs pretty much any game you would want to play with a controller (other then obviously games where mouse is imperative e.g. rts or some rpgs) would be close to perfect.

I would love to use my tv as a console sometimes, but its HUGE (I have 6 HDDS) im waiting for a decent client based system where i can stream to my TV and use a wireless controller over the network... I know valve have been talking about this with steambox. Also playstation 4 is doing it, so hopefully something will be out soon that fills my needs.

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#17
Posted 03/15/2013 06:19 PM   
I'm disapoointed that the Razer Hydra hasn't worked out as good as I hoped. It looked very promising, but the lack of functionality with games other than Portal is hit and miss it seems from what I've read. I was so close to buying it at launch since it seemed like the optimal couch controller but decided to wait for reviews. Hopefully they are working on their software. If you haven't heard of it, check out the youtube videos.
I'm disapoointed that the Razer Hydra hasn't worked out as good as I hoped. It looked very promising, but the lack of functionality with games other than Portal is hit and miss it seems from what I've read.

I was so close to buying it at launch since it seemed like the optimal couch controller but decided to wait for reviews. Hopefully they are working on their software. If you haven't heard of it, check out the youtube videos.

#18
Posted 03/15/2013 11:03 PM   
[quote="Drayth"]99% of what Chiz is saying about "relic" high-rez monitors is incorrect, and I think I recognize him from the HardOCP forum as someone who goes on and on about the TN lightboost panels being superior (apologies if I have you mixed up, but the username and nature of the reply seem very familiar). About 2 months ago on Newegg I spotted an open box 2560x1440 Asus monitor for a hugely discounted price and bought it (turned out to be flawless, btw). I also already own an Asus 27" 120hz lightboost monitor, and have been gaming in 3D on it for some time. The jump in color fidelity on a non-TN panel is amazing, and I stopped playing in stereo 3d for some time.. in the end 3D wins over though.. I started to miss it :) BUT.. there are current high rez monitors that have no problem with input lag. Mine's one of them, and there's an HP 2560x1600 monitor with even less input lag (you want to look for monitors that don't have a scaler). Motion blur is NOT a problem (was back in the day), and I will continue to play non-stereo games on my other monitor because the colors just blow away anything a TN-Panel can do. It's ALMOST enough to pull me away from my lightboost monitor completely. Anyways, that's all I say in this thread so as not to completely derail the discussion.[/quote] Well I guess starting your post off with a wildly incorrect statement is apropos for the rest of it (I've posted on HardOCP maybe 2x in my life). High-res IPS panels are great for pretty pictures, TNs are great for action. I guess it depends what kind of gamer you are and what kind of games you play, but there's no doubt a 120Hz+ TN puts these 60Hz IPS monitors to shame when it comes to fast-paced gaming and the characteristics that really matter. Enabling Vsync is a virtually necessity on a high-res 60Hz panel, which also by default introduces input lag. You can't compare a 60Hz monitor that has a minimum 16.67ms of input lag to that of a TN panel that has <8.33ms. While the overclocked Korean IPS panels are better, they still suffer from much higher motion blur as a result of the slower TFT pixel switching technology. Here's a review of your latest IPS technology, another year, another iteration, same problems! [url]http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2413.htm[/url] Make sure to check this section out where you can see this state of the art IPS panel is thoroughly outclassed when it comes to gaming metrics by the Samsung 2233RZ. We're talking about a 1st-gen 120Hz TN panel that's 3 generations older than the VG278H which is vastly superior from all accounts! [url]http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2413.htm#gaming[/url]
Drayth said:99% of what Chiz is saying about "relic" high-rez monitors is incorrect, and I think I recognize him from the HardOCP forum as someone who goes on and on about the TN lightboost panels being superior (apologies if I have you mixed up, but the username and nature of the reply seem very familiar).

About 2 months ago on Newegg I spotted an open box 2560x1440 Asus monitor for a hugely discounted price and bought it (turned out to be flawless, btw). I also already own an Asus 27" 120hz lightboost monitor, and have been gaming in 3D on it for some time.

The jump in color fidelity on a non-TN panel is amazing, and I stopped playing in stereo 3d for some time.. in the end 3D wins over though.. I started to miss it :) BUT.. there are current high rez monitors that have no problem with input lag. Mine's one of them, and there's an HP 2560x1600 monitor with even less input lag (you want to look for monitors that don't have a scaler). Motion blur is NOT a problem (was back in the day), and I will continue to play non-stereo games on my other monitor because the colors just blow away anything a TN-Panel can do. It's ALMOST enough to pull me away from my lightboost monitor completely.

Anyways, that's all I say in this thread so as not to completely derail the discussion.

Well I guess starting your post off with a wildly incorrect statement is apropos for the rest of it (I've posted on HardOCP maybe 2x in my life).

High-res IPS panels are great for pretty pictures, TNs are great for action. I guess it depends what kind of gamer you are and what kind of games you play, but there's no doubt a 120Hz+ TN puts these 60Hz IPS monitors to shame when it comes to fast-paced gaming and the characteristics that really matter. Enabling Vsync is a virtually necessity on a high-res 60Hz panel, which also by default introduces input lag. You can't compare a 60Hz monitor that has a minimum 16.67ms of input lag to that of a TN panel that has <8.33ms. While the overclocked Korean IPS panels are better, they still suffer from much higher motion blur as a result of the slower TFT pixel switching technology.

Here's a review of your latest IPS technology, another year, another iteration, same problems!
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2413.htm

Make sure to check this section out where you can see this state of the art IPS panel is thoroughly outclassed when it comes to gaming metrics by the Samsung 2233RZ. We're talking about a 1st-gen 120Hz TN panel that's 3 generations older than the VG278H which is vastly superior from all accounts!
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2413.htm#gaming

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#19
Posted 03/16/2013 02:45 AM   
I like VG278H better -- it can do the zero motion blur trick even for 2D gaming -- it was measured to have over 90% less motion blur than 60Hz. VG278H LCD becomes like a CRT for 2D gaming, when force-enabling LightBoost during 2D: [url=http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost]www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost[/url] I own a BENQ XL2411T too, alongside my ASUS VG278H, as part of being Chief Blur Buster.... The ASUS VG248QE and BENQ XL2411T has even less 3D crosstalk than the ASUS VG278H. Apparently, the 1ms vs 2ms makes a massive difference in 3D crosstalk. VG278H was good, but I'm floored BENQ XL2411T (1ms) does it even better. Crosstalk about 5x more faint than VG278H
I like VG278H better -- it can do the zero motion blur trick even for 2D gaming -- it was measured to have over 90% less motion blur than 60Hz.

VG278H LCD becomes like a CRT for 2D gaming, when force-enabling LightBoost during 2D:
www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost

I own a BENQ XL2411T too, alongside my ASUS VG278H, as part of being Chief Blur Buster.... The ASUS VG248QE and BENQ XL2411T has even less 3D crosstalk than the ASUS VG278H. Apparently, the 1ms vs 2ms makes a massive difference in 3D crosstalk. VG278H was good, but I'm floored BENQ XL2411T (1ms) does it even better. Crosstalk about 5x more faint than VG278H

#20
Posted 03/16/2013 03:49 AM   
I have both as well. While Asus has improved them over the months/years I was never able to calibrate mine and just looking at the desktop on it compared to other monitors or my Plasma TV I never ended up using it. The color and light bleed almost made me puke. A got a very very expensive set of Vision Glasses+emitter since the monitor was never actually used. (yes, the glasses and emitter is useless to me as well, I do use the emitter from time to time to enable Vision on my TV - like just after a fresh HD reload) A 3D TV however will limit you to 1080i/24, 720P/60 or as mentioned checkerboard if it supports it. I have a passive 3D laptop and after experiencing BOTH active and passive IMHO 3D with active shutter glasses provides a better experience than what can be had with the passive TV/Monitors. I've sort of dreamed of doing 3D suround with 3x 3DTV's but just don't have the room for it. :(
I have both as well. While Asus has improved them over the months/years I was never able to calibrate mine and just looking at the desktop on it compared to other monitors or my Plasma TV I never ended up using it. The color and light bleed almost made me puke. A got a very very expensive set of Vision Glasses+emitter since the monitor was never actually used. (yes, the glasses and emitter is useless to me as well, I do use the emitter from time to time to enable Vision on my TV - like just after a fresh HD reload)

A 3D TV however will limit you to 1080i/24, 720P/60 or as mentioned checkerboard if it supports it. I have a passive 3D laptop and after experiencing BOTH active and passive IMHO 3D with active shutter glasses provides a better experience than what can be had with the passive TV/Monitors.

I've sort of dreamed of doing 3D suround with 3x 3DTV's but just don't have the room for it. :(

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#21
Posted 03/16/2013 05:54 AM   
[quote="mbloof"]I have both as well. While Asus has improved them over the months/years I was never able to calibrate mine and just looking at the desktop on it compared to other monitors or my Plasma TV I never ended up using it. The color and light bleed almost made me puke.[/quote] And here in, i believe, lays the problem. Before i purchased my asus278H , i did a lot of research. i saw picks with TERRIBLE backlight bleed and a horrible halo effect with the backlight. I heard this bodged colours and made it looked washed out. But i read prof. Reviews which didn't have this problem, so i took a chance as i could always return it for free. My model was perfect... Well as good I've seen tn. Backlight bleed was minuscule compared with my aw2310. Colours when set correctly were vibrant and seemed to be accurate when looking at photo's. So i think the problem here is that the asus may have some quality control issues on it's panels, meaning we are all talking about very different experiences. Everything i have read puts IPS much above tn for quality in pictures, but quiet behind it on TN with lag. I do however admit to never using an IPS panel, so I can't comment on the difference myself.
mbloof said:I have both as well. While Asus has improved them over the months/years I was never able to calibrate mine and just looking at the desktop on it compared to other monitors or my Plasma TV I never ended up using it. The color and light bleed almost made me puke.


And here in, i believe, lays the problem. Before i purchased my asus278H , i did a lot of research. i saw picks with TERRIBLE backlight bleed and a horrible halo effect with the backlight. I heard this bodged colours and made it looked washed out. But i read prof. Reviews which didn't have this problem, so i took a chance as i could always return it for free.

My model was perfect... Well as good I've seen tn. Backlight bleed was minuscule compared with my aw2310. Colours when set correctly were vibrant and seemed to be accurate when looking at photo's.

So i think the problem here is that the asus may have some quality control issues on it's panels, meaning we are all talking about very different experiences. Everything i have read puts IPS much above tn for quality in pictures, but quiet behind it on TN with lag. I do however admit to never using an IPS panel, so I can't comment on the difference myself.

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#22
Posted 03/16/2013 09:29 AM   
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