Lingering 'burn-in' ghosting on VG278H
Since getting my 3D monitor (Asus VG278H) I've noticed a 'lingering ghosting' effect. I'm *not* talking about what is commonly reffered to as ghosting: when you get a duplicate of certain objects on both eyes, especially on bright backgrounds. What I'm talking about is I guess a sort of 'pixel memory' or 'burn-in' effect. For example: [list] [.]I'm playing DmC: Devil May Cry[/.] [.]I pause the game, and a large "game paused" sign appears[/.] [.]I wait for a while, then unpause, and the game progresses as normal,[/.] [.]but there's still a faint inverted shadow of "game paused" that lingers on the screen for about 10-20 seconds. (very similar to what your eyes do if you stare at something for a long time and then shut your eyes)[/.] [/list] I've never noticed this on any other monitor. Is it normal? Is it a known flaw of TFT monitors, or 120Hz monitors, or the VG278H specifically? Is there anything that can be done about it? Also, is this monitor capable of getting burn-in damage, like the CRT monitors in the old days? Should I be using a screensaver? My understanding was that screensavers have been unnecessary since the advent of LCD screens, but this ghosting makes me wonder if maybe that's not so.
Since getting my 3D monitor (Asus VG278H) I've noticed a 'lingering ghosting' effect. I'm *not* talking about what is commonly reffered to as ghosting: when you get a duplicate of certain objects on both eyes, especially on bright backgrounds.

What I'm talking about is I guess a sort of 'pixel memory' or 'burn-in' effect. For example:

  • I'm playing DmC: Devil May Cry
  • I pause the game, and a large "game paused" sign appears
  • I wait for a while, then unpause, and the game progresses as normal,
  • but there's still a faint inverted shadow of "game paused" that lingers on the screen for about 10-20 seconds. (very similar to what your eyes do if you stare at something for a long time and then shut your eyes)



I've never noticed this on any other monitor. Is it normal? Is it a known flaw of TFT monitors, or 120Hz monitors, or the VG278H specifically? Is there anything that can be done about it?

Also, is this monitor capable of getting burn-in damage, like the CRT monitors in the old days? Should I be using a screensaver? My understanding was that screensavers have been unnecessary since the advent of LCD screens, but this ghosting makes me wonder if maybe that's not so.

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#1
Posted 06/18/2013 12:42 AM   
Same thing here. It only seems to happen in 3D mode, I'm not sure why. Check it really isn't your eyes, I'm still not 100% certain. Suppose you could try it by leaving the pause screen on and not looking at it, I don't have a GPU to test at the moment. If it were to burn in out of 3D mode you'd know about it by now, you'd have the Windows task bar burned in.
Same thing here. It only seems to happen in 3D mode, I'm not sure why.

Check it really isn't your eyes, I'm still not 100% certain. Suppose you could try it by leaving the pause screen on and not looking at it, I don't have a GPU to test at the moment.

If it were to burn in out of 3D mode you'd know about it by now, you'd have the Windows task bar burned in.

#2
Posted 06/18/2013 12:43 AM   
I have the 2D version of that monitor and have accidentally left it on twice while going out of town for a weekend. I have it set to never sleep without a screensaver and have never had a problem.
I have the 2D version of that monitor and have accidentally left it on twice while going out of town for a weekend. I have it set to never sleep without a screensaver and have never had a problem.

#3
Posted 06/18/2013 01:05 AM   
ok, so no lasting damage to the monitor then. That's good. I guess it's just a temporary phenomenon. I'm sure it's not my eyes, because the ghosted image is always exactly where the original image was on the screen. If it were my eyes, it would move around the screen as I move my eyes around, and would even appear on the wall or whatever else I was looking at. I'm not at home at the moment, but I'm sure that's not what's happening.
ok, so no lasting damage to the monitor then. That's good. I guess it's just a temporary phenomenon.

I'm sure it's not my eyes, because the ghosted image is always exactly where the original image was on the screen. If it were my eyes, it would move around the screen as I move my eyes around, and would even appear on the wall or whatever else I was looking at. I'm not at home at the moment, but I'm sure that's not what's happening.

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#4
Posted 06/18/2013 01:21 AM   
Im not a lcd user but there have been topics about it lasting longer when monitor is "cold". As opposed to hot. Like in winter or hasnt been on long. *shrug* Can google it if interested but I cant say if any of its truth. Not really a monitor user [though I have one] but it didnt sound dire since it was only temporary. My guess is its just temporary and only happens with 2D objects in 3D mode. Like its flickering between two images that are same image in both "eye". A quick fix may be this[though its only 20 seconds for you. I think the people talking about it being cold said longer]. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2eQhhMvi-U[/url] Plasma I think it can be permanent though. A couple of times a couple users asked for transparent huds [while I feel bad for thouse users, it takes long enough to do fixes as is and tbh I have no idea what they do for non-fixed games].
Im not a lcd user but there have been topics about it lasting longer when monitor is "cold". As opposed to hot. Like in winter or hasnt been on long. *shrug* Can google it if interested but I cant say if any of its truth. Not really a monitor user [though I have one] but it didnt sound dire since it was only temporary.

My guess is its just temporary and only happens with 2D objects in 3D mode. Like its flickering between two images that are same image in both "eye". A quick fix may be this[though its only 20 seconds for you. I think the people talking about it being cold said longer]. " rel="nofollow" target = "_blank">

Plasma I think it can be permanent though. A couple of times a couple users asked for transparent huds [while I feel bad for thouse users, it takes long enough to do fixes as is and tbh I have no idea what they do for non-fixed games].

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#5
Posted 06/18/2013 02:10 AM   
Yeah, doesn't sound like an actual problem. It's more just visual pollution that's mildly distracting while gaming. Thanks for the link, eqzitara, though just waiting it out would ultimately be less diruptive than running that video. Interesting that it would only be 2D elements - indeed, I don't think I've noticed any 3D elements doing it (thank God - that would probably get really messy!)
Yeah, doesn't sound like an actual problem. It's more just visual pollution that's mildly distracting while gaming. Thanks for the link, eqzitara, though just waiting it out would ultimately be less diruptive than running that video.

Interesting that it would only be 2D elements - indeed, I don't think I've noticed any 3D elements doing it (thank God - that would probably get really messy!)

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#6
Posted 06/18/2013 07:42 AM   
In theory, there is no burn-in on LCD, but there are transient images that are persistent. This Wikipedia page has some pretty good detail. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in[/url] It also suggests that a brighter image can cause the persistence. This might be something more noticeable on LightBoost monitors.
In theory, there is no burn-in on LCD, but there are transient images that are persistent. This Wikipedia page has some pretty good detail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in

It also suggests that a brighter image can cause the persistence. This might be something more noticeable on LightBoost monitors.

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#7
Posted 06/18/2013 08:21 AM   
[quote="Volnaiskra"]Yeah, doesn't sound like an actual problem. It's more just visual pollution that's mildly distracting while gaming. Thanks for the link, eqzitara, though just waiting it out would ultimately be less diruptive than running that video. Interesting that it would only be 2D elements - indeed, I don't think I've noticed any 3D elements doing it (thank God - that would probably get really messy!)[/quote] I get it on 3D elements. If you have Fallout New Vegas thats a good one to force it with, the sky is extremely bright and you can look up to overhanging power cables, thats where I found it first actually.
Volnaiskra said:Yeah, doesn't sound like an actual problem. It's more just visual pollution that's mildly distracting while gaming. Thanks for the link, eqzitara, though just waiting it out would ultimately be less diruptive than running that video.

Interesting that it would only be 2D elements - indeed, I don't think I've noticed any 3D elements doing it (thank God - that would probably get really messy!)

I get it on 3D elements. If you have Fallout New Vegas thats a good one to force it with, the sky is extremely bright and you can look up to overhanging power cables, thats where I found it first actually.

#8
Posted 06/18/2013 11:15 AM   
The ghosting is capacitance, and usually happens on LCD's when you have bright or high contrast areas on the screen. Its happened on every LCD screen I've owned, which is about 4 now including my Samsung TV. The worst example was the WoW map burning into my 20" Dell LCD through years of playing WoW for roughly 8 hours a day. After I quit WoW it took weeks for the map UI to get massaged back out of the pixels. If I had been using a plasma that burn-in would have been permanent, but most plasma's combat burn-in now by pixel shifting and using higher refresh rates.
The ghosting is capacitance, and usually happens on LCD's when you have bright or high contrast areas on the screen. Its happened on every LCD screen I've owned, which is about 4 now including my Samsung TV.

The worst example was the WoW map burning into my 20" Dell LCD through years of playing WoW for roughly 8 hours a day. After I quit WoW it took weeks for the map UI to get massaged back out of the pixels. If I had been using a plasma that burn-in would have been permanent, but most plasma's combat burn-in now by pixel shifting and using higher refresh rates.

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#9
Posted 06/18/2013 03:52 PM   
Matte screens always do this. That's why the glossys exist. Although reflection is annoying, you'll never have 'burn-in' problems or fading/discoloration problems from oversurging.
Matte screens always do this. That's why the glossys exist. Although reflection is annoying, you'll never have 'burn-in' problems or fading/discoloration problems from oversurging.

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#10
Posted 06/18/2013 04:33 PM   
[quote="Shinra358"]Matte screens always do this. That's why the glossys exist. Although reflection is annoying, you'll never have 'burn-in' problems or fading/discoloration problems from oversurging.[/quote]Where did you hear this?
Shinra358 said:Matte screens always do this. That's why the glossys exist. Although reflection is annoying, you'll never have 'burn-in' problems or fading/discoloration problems from oversurging.
Where did you hear this?

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#11
Posted 06/19/2013 12:43 AM   
I always assumed the glossiness/matteness was just to do with the surface of the monitor.
I always assumed the glossiness/matteness was just to do with the surface of the monitor.

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#12
Posted 06/19/2013 01:28 AM   
[quote="bo3b"][quote="Shinra358"]Matte screens always do this. That's why the glossys exist. Although reflection is annoying, you'll never have 'burn-in' problems or fading/discoloration problems from oversurging.[/quote]Where did you hear this?[/quote] Sorry, I was thinking of plasma screens instead of lcds in which plasmas are usually matte textured. but it is still 100% true for plasma tvs. But it may still have something to do with matte screens. It's either that, or the way the brand makes the screens. I've accidentally left my glossy screen on for days sometimes, I never get this issue. However, this has happened on matte screen tvs that some of my folks have at times but never on any of their or my glossies. Here's something that may help. Follow the directions and hopefully it will fix: http://www.gribble.org/lcdfix/index.html
bo3b said:
Shinra358 said:Matte screens always do this. That's why the glossys exist. Although reflection is annoying, you'll never have 'burn-in' problems or fading/discoloration problems from oversurging.
Where did you hear this?


Sorry, I was thinking of plasma screens instead of lcds in which plasmas are usually matte textured. but it is still 100% true for plasma tvs. But it may still have something to do with matte screens. It's either that, or the way the brand makes the screens. I've accidentally left my glossy screen on for days sometimes, I never get this issue. However, this has happened on matte screen tvs that some of my folks have at times but never on any of their or my glossies.


Here's something that may help. Follow the directions and hopefully it will fix:

http://www.gribble.org/lcdfix/index.html

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#13
Posted 06/20/2013 12:48 AM   
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