I'm currently using an ancient i7 860 that I over overclocked to 3.5 hz and I have it paired with a geforce 1070. It serves me very well in 2d as I have no problem running most games at high framerates.
The witcher 3 for instance runs at 60 + fps with ultra settings at 1080 p minus hairworks over 90 % of the time. In 3d though it is another story. I had to settle with a 30 fps cap (using rtss because frametimes are horrible with built in limiter). I'm wondering if my lower framerates are due to my old cpu. My GPU usage isn't very high while he framerates hover from 35-50.
The game is completely playable with some motion blur turned on and rtss holding 33.33 MS frametimes and the input lag is actually acceptable.
I'm just wondering if I did throw down on a 7700 k with ddr 4( or ryzen if it turns out good) will allow me to run more demanding titles like witcher 3 at 60 fps.
Mad Max is another game I opted for a 30 fps cap. It will actually hit 60 and above in 3d, but dips into low 40's and sometimes 30's in some driving sequences. In 2d the game flies at what seems like a million frames per second.
Some games I can hold a lock 60 in 3d are:
Ultra street fighter 4
Mickey mouse castle of illusion (I know, lol)
Kingdom of Amular
Street Fighter Ultra 4
I'm currently using an ancient i7 860 that I over overclocked to 3.5 hz and I have it paired with a geforce 1070. It serves me very well in 2d as I have no problem running most games at high framerates.
The witcher 3 for instance runs at 60 + fps with ultra settings at 1080 p minus hairworks over 90 % of the time. In 3d though it is another story. I had to settle with a 30 fps cap (using rtss because frametimes are horrible with built in limiter). I'm wondering if my lower framerates are due to my old cpu. My GPU usage isn't very high while he framerates hover from 35-50.
The game is completely playable with some motion blur turned on and rtss holding 33.33 MS frametimes and the input lag is actually acceptable.
I'm just wondering if I did throw down on a 7700 k with ddr 4( or ryzen if it turns out good) will allow me to run more demanding titles like witcher 3 at 60 fps.
Mad Max is another game I opted for a 30 fps cap. It will actually hit 60 and above in 3d, but dips into low 40's and sometimes 30's in some driving sequences. In 2d the game flies at what seems like a million frames per second.
Some games I can hold a lock 60 in 3d are:
Ultra street fighter 4
Mickey mouse castle of illusion (I know, lol)
Kingdom of Amular
Street Fighter Ultra 4
Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.
Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.
I use 1080 SLI, and the i7 4790K (4.8Ghz) is generally between 40 to 70% charge... My i5 4670K (4.3Ghz) was generally at 80 90%. Between i5 and i7 no fps changes, maybe more or less 3 fps...
GPUs are between 15% (and automatically downclocked) on Mirror Edge Catalyst and 100% (both of them) on Wildland Close Beta for exemple.
Here the results for 3 games in real stereo 3D (patched with HelixMod), not compatibility mode, at loaded positions (somewhere with lower fps than average):
FPS and % are fluctuating a bit.
Quantum Break S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5) Yes the Hyper threading make me loose 15 fps on QB !
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/gd241t4e7/QB_SLI_3_D_i7_20170131_190206.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/o9mla1fun/QB_no_threads_20170131_194954.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/478bdo0an/QB_SLI_3_D_i5_IMG_1485778226393_V.jpg[/img]
Watch Dogs 2 S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5)
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/gr3g1eohr/WD2_SLI_3_D_i7_20170131_190416.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/4t1vnikqn/WD2_no_threads_20170131_195208.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/jh86kuvsv/WD2_SLI_3_D_i5_20170130_132016.jpg[/img]
Mirror Edge Catalyst S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5)
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/40z7obgjj/MEC_SLI_3_D_i7_20170131_190639.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/av9ie096n/MEC_no_threads_20170131_195614.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/z441byyyn/MEC_SLI_3_D_i5_IMG_1485779635079_V.jpg[/img]
Without SLI: (i7 + i5)
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/ewv6xeqv3/QB_NONSLI_3_D_i7_20170131_185231.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/tovbb07en/QB_NONSLI_3_D_i5_20170130_134802.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/eldqknaf3/WD2_NONSLI_3_D_i7_20170131_185507.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/al1zunukf/WD2_NONSLI_3_D_i5_20170130_135138.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/j8jsmexrz/MEC_NONSLI_3_D_i7_20170131_185730.jpg[/img]
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/72pzy9tof/MEC_NONSLI_3_D_i5_20170130_135519.jpg[/img]
Here a very great website who test 15 CPU by games with 1080p res with high end graphic cards:
http://gamegpu.com/
Exemple:
[img]http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Battlefield_1/new_2/b1_proz.png[/img]
[img]http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Quantum_Break_/new/new/qb_proz.png[/img]
[img]http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Rise_of_the_Tomb_Raider_dx12/test/new/r_proz_11.png[/img]
[img]http://gamegpu.com/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/DOOM/test/vulkan/new/doom_proz.png[/img]
Hope it helps.
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I use 1080 SLI, and the i7 4790K (4.8Ghz) is generally between 40 to 70% charge... My i5 4670K (4.3Ghz) was generally at 80 90%. Between i5 and i7 no fps changes, maybe more or less 3 fps...
GPUs are between 15% (and automatically downclocked) on Mirror Edge Catalyst and 100% (both of them) on Wildland Close Beta for exemple.
Here the results for 3 games in real stereo 3D (patched with HelixMod), not compatibility mode, at loaded positions (somewhere with lower fps than average):
FPS and % are fluctuating a bit.
Quantum Break S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5) Yes the Hyper threading make me loose 15 fps on QB !
[quote="masterotaku"]I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance[/quote]DRAM frequency, won't do anything, not even 1 fps gain. You can have 1600Mhz or 6000Mhz, nothing will help gaming.
Try to downclock you DRAM, to see if you loose something. I bet it won't.
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[quote="tygeezy"]The witcher 3 for instance runs at 60 + fps with ultra settings at 1080 p minus hairworks over 90 % of the time. In 3d though it is another story. I had to settle with a 30 fps cap (using rtss because frametimes are horrible with built in limiter). I'm wondering if my lower framerates are due to my old cpu. My GPU usage isn't very high while he framerates hover from 35-50.
The game is completely playable with some motion blur turned on and rtss holding 33.33 MS frametimes and the input lag is actually acceptable.
I'm just wondering if I did throw down on a 7700 k with ddr 4( or ryzen if it turns out good) will allow me to run more demanding titles like witcher 3 at 60 fps.[/quote]With no SLI, I sometime get less than 60fps on the witcher 3, 1080p 3D, all maxed out, exept both Blur options and Chromatic aberation. (No caps)
FPS and % are fluctuating a bit.
This is TW3 in S3D (HelixMod) without SLI: (somewhere with lower fps than average fps I get in the game)
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/fdgejuem7/witcher3_2017_02_20_17_02_16_591.jpg[/img]
The SLI make this game as smooth as I ever seen in a 3D game... Impressive. And I play a lot of games !
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/9qk1mdc3j/witcher3_2017_02_20_17_14_33_387.jpg[/img]
FYI:
My GPUs are not at max OC. (see my signature)
Here at 2000Mhz:
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/3qwaiprb3/20170220_173201.jpg[/img]
2038Mhz:
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/lkrsk0adb/20170220_175331.jpg[/img]
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tygeezy said:The witcher 3 for instance runs at 60 + fps with ultra settings at 1080 p minus hairworks over 90 % of the time. In 3d though it is another story. I had to settle with a 30 fps cap (using rtss because frametimes are horrible with built in limiter). I'm wondering if my lower framerates are due to my old cpu. My GPU usage isn't very high while he framerates hover from 35-50.
The game is completely playable with some motion blur turned on and rtss holding 33.33 MS frametimes and the input lag is actually acceptable.
I'm just wondering if I did throw down on a 7700 k with ddr 4( or ryzen if it turns out good) will allow me to run more demanding titles like witcher 3 at 60 fps.
With no SLI, I sometime get less than 60fps on the witcher 3, 1080p 3D, all maxed out, exept both Blur options and Chromatic aberation. (No caps)
FPS and % are fluctuating a bit.
This is TW3 in S3D (HelixMod) without SLI: (somewhere with lower fps than average fps I get in the game)
The SLI make this game as smooth as I ever seen in a 3D game... Impressive. And I play a lot of games !
FYI:
My GPUs are not at max OC. (see my signature)
LGA-2066 with X299 wont be cheap... SL-X and KL-X will be K version, with X version price !
Also, more than 4 core 8 threads won't help all type of gaming: (At this time, I don't know the futur.)
6950X 10 core 20 threads (3.0Ghz) More than $US 1500
with GTX Titan X:
Ashes of the Singularity (1080p):
[img]http://img.clubic.com/08466860-photo-test-intel-core-i7-6950x-ashes-of-the-singularity.jpg[/img]
Hitman 2017 (1080p):
[img]http://img.clubic.com/08466526-photo-intel-core-i7-6950x-hitman.jpg[/img]
Batman AK (1080p):
[img]http://img.clubic.com/08466838-photo-test-intel-core-i7-6950x-batman-arkham-knight.jpg[/img]
Bioshock Infinite (1080p):
[img]http://img.clubic.com/08466512-photo-intel-core-i7-6950x-bioshock-infinite.jpg[/img]
Bioshock Infinite (1080p) OC 4,2Ghz:
[img]http://img.clubic.com/08466954-photo-intel-core-i7-6950x-oc-bioshock-infinite.jpg[/img]
With max settings.
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LGA-2066 with X299 wont be cheap... SL-X and KL-X will be K version, with X version price !
Also, more than 4 core 8 threads won't help all type of gaming: (At this time, I don't know the futur.)
6950X 10 core 20 threads (3.0Ghz) More than $US 1500
with GTX Titan X:
[quote="Dugom"]DRAM frequency, won't do anything, not even 1 fps gain. You can have 1600Mhz or 6000Mhz, nothing will help gaming.
Try to downclock you DRAM, to see if you loose something. I bet it won't.[/quote]
I mentioned RAM because of this: http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html
Example:
[img]http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1171/bench/Fallout.png[/img]
My RAM is DDR3 at 2000MHz CL9 (I should update my signature). I don't know how it would compare to DDR4.
Unless you run the DD3 at 2400 Mhz (max frequency on DDR3) DDR4 will make a difference:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-fatal1ty-z170-gaming-k4-d3-ddr4-vs-ddr3,4431-2.html
DDR4-3000 will be faster than DDR3-2400 and that will give you some frames! Most notably in SLI and Surround /4K as is clearly shown in the article posted by masterotaku ;)
DDR4-3000 will be faster than DDR3-2400 and that will give you some frames! Most notably in SLI and Surround /4K as is clearly shown in the article posted by masterotaku ;)
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
Interesting.
I was still there:
GTX 770:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/6
SLI GTX 770:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/7
Another one:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/70775-intel-skylake-ddr3-vs-ddr4-comparison-5.html
[img]https://s25.postimg.cc/awsmywprz/meme.png[/img]
I wasnt up to date... My bad.
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[quote="masterotaku"]Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.[/quote]
You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.
masterotaku said:Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.
You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.
[quote="coffeeonteacup"][quote="masterotaku"]Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.[/quote]
You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.[/quote]
masterotaku is correct. I believe you are mistaken mate. Are you sure you are talking about 3D Vision and not 2D?
Go to central novigrad trading square. You will not have 60FPS in 3D Vision, and there is little chance that the drop in FPS will be due to GPU. You will note that your FPS will be more like 50 on a 7700k with a GTX 1080, and your GPU will be well below 90% usage when you lower resolution and graphics settings etc.
The game is being CPU bottlenecked due to a huge 3D Vision driver bug. Due to this, hyperthreading won't matter as much as it does in 2D with recent games.
More details here:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/966422/3d-vision/3d-vision-cpu-bottelneck-gathering-information-thread-/
Unlike a GPU, reading CPU usage is tricky and needs a lot of background knowledge. Core usage and CPU usage averages alone are not any kind of indicator of how well or badly the CPU is being utilised.
Generally, I should also mention that, as the more experiences people have mentioned here, memory speed plays a significant role in game performance nowadays. Be very careful on which benchmarks you consume, as most of them have the GPU saturating during testing, meaning that even with a 50GHz CPU and 50GHz memory speed, they won't show any kind of difference.
As someone with an engineering background (as with many others on this forum), it's usually quite appalling to us to see the newbish mistakes these so called professional reviewers and benchmarkers make.
Just recently, I was disgusted to see the majority of 'professional' review sites benchmark the new 7XXXK series of CPUs against older generations in GPU limited scenarios, and expecting FPS differences. Kyle Bennett, the owner of HardOCP and I had a good chuckle about the stupidity of most other review sites via an email exchange, which cheered me up a little :(
masterotaku said:Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.
You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.
masterotaku is correct. I believe you are mistaken mate. Are you sure you are talking about 3D Vision and not 2D?
Go to central novigrad trading square. You will not have 60FPS in 3D Vision, and there is little chance that the drop in FPS will be due to GPU. You will note that your FPS will be more like 50 on a 7700k with a GTX 1080, and your GPU will be well below 90% usage when you lower resolution and graphics settings etc.
The game is being CPU bottlenecked due to a huge 3D Vision driver bug. Due to this, hyperthreading won't matter as much as it does in 2D with recent games.
Unlike a GPU, reading CPU usage is tricky and needs a lot of background knowledge. Core usage and CPU usage averages alone are not any kind of indicator of how well or badly the CPU is being utilised.
Generally, I should also mention that, as the more experiences people have mentioned here, memory speed plays a significant role in game performance nowadays. Be very careful on which benchmarks you consume, as most of them have the GPU saturating during testing, meaning that even with a 50GHz CPU and 50GHz memory speed, they won't show any kind of difference.
As someone with an engineering background (as with many others on this forum), it's usually quite appalling to us to see the newbish mistakes these so called professional reviewers and benchmarkers make.
Just recently, I was disgusted to see the majority of 'professional' review sites benchmark the new 7XXXK series of CPUs against older generations in GPU limited scenarios, and expecting FPS differences. Kyle Bennett, the owner of HardOCP and I had a good chuckle about the stupidity of most other review sites via an email exchange, which cheered me up a little :(
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
[quote="RAGEdemon"][quote="coffeeonteacup"][quote="masterotaku"]Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.[/quote]
You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.[/quote]
masterotaku is correct. I believe you are mistaken mate. Are you sure you are talking about 3D Vision and not 2D?
[/quote]
Ive read that thread and im talking about 3d. My i5 3570k wasnt(At least badly) single thread bottlenecked in witcher, all cores begged close to 100%. Those older i5's are definitely not holding up well in some of the newer games. Witcher 3 definitely saw 30% boost when i switched to 2600k. I tested them for hours, i didnt "upgrade", just switched 2600k from another pc and couldnt believe how much smoother witcher was. So i put 3570k back in just to compare them. Didnt imagine anything, 30% boost on 2600k and much smoother. Ipc is about the same in both, 3570k little faster. Im sure there are places that are more single thread bottlenecked, like the novigrad square. I didnt run through it my testing sadly, i went from the smaller square to the left on the docks and then to the upper town skipping the main square. i can try later to see what fps i get in novigrad main square, but overall 2600k was so much more smoother in the witcher that it was hard to believe. My route in novigrad was actually the biggest difference between the two in minumum fps. from 40's to barely dropping below 60.
Data also heavily suggested that fallout 4 was single thread bottlenecked badly but i got 5fps boost in minimum fps. Sadly i didnt try any other games because it takes so fucking long to benchmark but i stand what i claimed. I think masterotaku will get more than 30% boost in witcher(many other games too, not all) if he upgrades to 5ghz 7700k with fast ddr4 from a 4670K at 4.3GHz. I bet its 50% difference in witcher and fallout 4 for example.
masterotaku said:Very important. I have a 4670K at 4.3GHz and I would need around +50% single core performance to be happy. Which doesn't exist yet. I don't know if DDR4 RAM at 4000MHz would improve single core performance over the 25-30% that a 5GHz 7700K would give me.
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.
You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.
masterotaku is correct. I believe you are mistaken mate. Are you sure you are talking about 3D Vision and not 2D?
Ive read that thread and im talking about 3d. My i5 3570k wasnt(At least badly) single thread bottlenecked in witcher, all cores begged close to 100%. Those older i5's are definitely not holding up well in some of the newer games. Witcher 3 definitely saw 30% boost when i switched to 2600k. I tested them for hours, i didnt "upgrade", just switched 2600k from another pc and couldnt believe how much smoother witcher was. So i put 3570k back in just to compare them. Didnt imagine anything, 30% boost on 2600k and much smoother. Ipc is about the same in both, 3570k little faster. Im sure there are places that are more single thread bottlenecked, like the novigrad square. I didnt run through it my testing sadly, i went from the smaller square to the left on the docks and then to the upper town skipping the main square. i can try later to see what fps i get in novigrad main square, but overall 2600k was so much more smoother in the witcher that it was hard to believe. My route in novigrad was actually the biggest difference between the two in minumum fps. from 40's to barely dropping below 60.
Data also heavily suggested that fallout 4 was single thread bottlenecked badly but i got 5fps boost in minimum fps. Sadly i didnt try any other games because it takes so fucking long to benchmark but i stand what i claimed. I think masterotaku will get more than 30% boost in witcher(many other games too, not all) if he upgrades to 5ghz 7700k with fast ddr4 from a 4670K at 4.3GHz. I bet its 50% difference in witcher and fallout 4 for example.
[quote="RAGEdemon"]
Just recently, I was disgusted to see the majority of 'professional' review sites benchmark the new 7XXXK series of CPUs against older generations in GPU limited scenarios, and expecting FPS differences. Kyle Bennett, the owner of HardOCP and I had a good chuckle about the stupidity of most other review sites via an email exchange, which cheered me up a little :([/quote]
I have to agree with you about this stupid " professional" benchmark.
I was looking for CPU upgrade possibilities and it is very frustrating to find gaming CPU benchmarks done at 4K. I mean WTF are we testing CPUs or GPUs? What is the point of 4K when you compare CPUs?
I am now very curios how Ryzen CPUs will handle 3D, and if games like BF1 will use all cores in 3D or will be havelly bottlenecked.
PS: If anyone made some test about CPU utilisation in BF1 on 8, 12, 16 cores with 3Dvision on I am very interested in the result. I only have 4 cores and it uses all of them, but does it use more?
RAGEdemon said:
Just recently, I was disgusted to see the majority of 'professional' review sites benchmark the new 7XXXK series of CPUs against older generations in GPU limited scenarios, and expecting FPS differences. Kyle Bennett, the owner of HardOCP and I had a good chuckle about the stupidity of most other review sites via an email exchange, which cheered me up a little :(
I have to agree with you about this stupid " professional" benchmark.
I was looking for CPU upgrade possibilities and it is very frustrating to find gaming CPU benchmarks done at 4K. I mean WTF are we testing CPUs or GPUs? What is the point of 4K when you compare CPUs?
I am now very curios how Ryzen CPUs will handle 3D, and if games like BF1 will use all cores in 3D or will be havelly bottlenecked.
PS: If anyone made some test about CPU utilisation in BF1 on 8, 12, 16 cores with 3Dvision on I am very interested in the result. I only have 4 cores and it uses all of them, but does it use more?
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The witcher 3 for instance runs at 60 + fps with ultra settings at 1080 p minus hairworks over 90 % of the time. In 3d though it is another story. I had to settle with a 30 fps cap (using rtss because frametimes are horrible with built in limiter). I'm wondering if my lower framerates are due to my old cpu. My GPU usage isn't very high while he framerates hover from 35-50.
The game is completely playable with some motion blur turned on and rtss holding 33.33 MS frametimes and the input lag is actually acceptable.
I'm just wondering if I did throw down on a 7700 k with ddr 4( or ryzen if it turns out good) will allow me to run more demanding titles like witcher 3 at 60 fps.
Mad Max is another game I opted for a 30 fps cap. It will actually hit 60 and above in 3d, but dips into low 40's and sometimes 30's in some driving sequences. In 2d the game flies at what seems like a million frames per second.
Some games I can hold a lock 60 in 3d are:
Ultra street fighter 4
Mickey mouse castle of illusion (I know, lol)
Kingdom of Amular
Street Fighter Ultra 4
I get between 37-45fps in Novigrad at 1080p because of my CPU.
CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K @ 4.9GHz
Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
RAM: GSKILL Ripjaws Z 16GB 3866MHz CL18
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080Ti Gaming X Trio
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
Speakers: Logitech Z506
Donations account: masterotakusuko@gmail.com
GPUs are between 15% (and automatically downclocked) on Mirror Edge Catalyst and 100% (both of them) on Wildland Close Beta for exemple.
Here the results for 3 games in real stereo 3D (patched with HelixMod), not compatibility mode, at loaded positions (somewhere with lower fps than average):
FPS and % are fluctuating a bit.
Quantum Break S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5) Yes the Hyper threading make me loose 15 fps on QB !
Watch Dogs 2 S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5)
Mirror Edge Catalyst S3D: (i7 + i7 no threads + i5)
Without SLI: (i7 + i5)
Here a very great website who test 15 CPU by games with 1080p res with high end graphic cards:
http://gamegpu.com/
Exemple:
Hope it helps.
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i7 4790K @4.8Ghz / 2x 1080 8GB SLI @2000Mhz / 16GB @2400Mhz
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Try to downclock you DRAM, to see if you loose something. I bet it won't.
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i7 4790K @4.8Ghz / 2x 1080 8GB SLI @2000Mhz / 16GB @2400Mhz
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3DVision Fixes:
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Universal fix for UnrealEngine 4 Games
Universal fix for Unity Games
Universal fix for FrostBite 3 Games
Universal fix for TellTales Games
Compability Mode Unleashed
Please donate if you can:
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FPS and % are fluctuating a bit.
This is TW3 in S3D (HelixMod) without SLI: (somewhere with lower fps than average fps I get in the game)
The SLI make this game as smooth as I ever seen in a 3D game... Impressive. And I play a lot of games !
FYI:
My GPUs are not at max OC. (see my signature)
Here at 2000Mhz:
2038Mhz:
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i7 4790K @4.8Ghz / 2x 1080 8GB SLI @2000Mhz / 16GB @2400Mhz
Just click:
My 3D videos and crosstalk test pattern
3DVision Fixes:
HelixMod Site
Universal fix for UnrealEngine 4 Games
Universal fix for Unity Games
Universal fix for FrostBite 3 Games
Universal fix for TellTales Games
Compability Mode Unleashed
Please donate if you can:
-----> Donations to 3DVision Fixers
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Also, more than 4 core 8 threads won't help all type of gaming: (At this time, I don't know the futur.)
6950X 10 core 20 threads (3.0Ghz) More than $US 1500
with GTX Titan X:
Ashes of the Singularity (1080p):
Hitman 2017 (1080p):
Batman AK (1080p):
Bioshock Infinite (1080p):
Bioshock Infinite (1080p) OC 4,2Ghz:
With max settings.
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i7 4790K @4.8Ghz / 2x 1080 8GB SLI @2000Mhz / 16GB @2400Mhz
Just click:
My 3D videos and crosstalk test pattern
3DVision Fixes:
HelixMod Site
Universal fix for UnrealEngine 4 Games
Universal fix for Unity Games
Universal fix for FrostBite 3 Games
Universal fix for TellTales Games
Compability Mode Unleashed
Please donate if you can:
-----> Donations to 3DVision Fixers
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I mentioned RAM because of this: http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html
Example:
My RAM is DDR3 at 2000MHz CL9 (I should update my signature). I don't know how it would compare to DDR4.
CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K @ 4.9GHz
Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
RAM: GSKILL Ripjaws Z 16GB 3866MHz CL18
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080Ti Gaming X Trio
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
Speakers: Logitech Z506
Donations account: masterotakusuko@gmail.com
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-fatal1ty-z170-gaming-k4-d3-ddr4-vs-ddr3,4431-2.html
DDR4-3000 will be faster than DDR3-2400 and that will give you some frames! Most notably in SLI and Surround /4K as is clearly shown in the article posted by masterotaku ;)
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com
(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)
I was still there:
GTX 770:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/6
SLI GTX 770:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/7
Another one:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/70775-intel-skylake-ddr3-vs-ddr4-comparison-5.html
I wasnt up to date... My bad.
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i7 4790K @4.8Ghz / 2x 1080 8GB SLI @2000Mhz / 16GB @2400Mhz
Just click:
My 3D videos and crosstalk test pattern
3DVision Fixes:
HelixMod Site
Universal fix for UnrealEngine 4 Games
Universal fix for Unity Games
Universal fix for FrostBite 3 Games
Universal fix for TellTales Games
Compability Mode Unleashed
Please donate if you can:
-----> Donations to 3DVision Fixers
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You should see much greater boost than 30% if you upgrade to 7700k. I know you said single core but games like witcher benefit much from hyperthreading. Heck i got 30% boost when i switched ivy i5 at 4.5ghz to sandy i7 ocd to the same frequency. I dont drop below 60 in novigrad, although i have couple settings lowered one notch. Grass distance and npc count from ultra to high iirc. Hairwork off, other ultra. Gtx1080 gpu too. I get little framedrops here and there(never below 50) but gpu related. They vanish if i droo 1080p res or other settings further.
masterotaku is correct. I believe you are mistaken mate. Are you sure you are talking about 3D Vision and not 2D?
Go to central novigrad trading square. You will not have 60FPS in 3D Vision, and there is little chance that the drop in FPS will be due to GPU. You will note that your FPS will be more like 50 on a 7700k with a GTX 1080, and your GPU will be well below 90% usage when you lower resolution and graphics settings etc.
The game is being CPU bottlenecked due to a huge 3D Vision driver bug. Due to this, hyperthreading won't matter as much as it does in 2D with recent games.
More details here:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/966422/3d-vision/3d-vision-cpu-bottelneck-gathering-information-thread-/
Unlike a GPU, reading CPU usage is tricky and needs a lot of background knowledge. Core usage and CPU usage averages alone are not any kind of indicator of how well or badly the CPU is being utilised.
Generally, I should also mention that, as the more experiences people have mentioned here, memory speed plays a significant role in game performance nowadays. Be very careful on which benchmarks you consume, as most of them have the GPU saturating during testing, meaning that even with a 50GHz CPU and 50GHz memory speed, they won't show any kind of difference.
As someone with an engineering background (as with many others on this forum), it's usually quite appalling to us to see the newbish mistakes these so called professional reviewers and benchmarkers make.
Just recently, I was disgusted to see the majority of 'professional' review sites benchmark the new 7XXXK series of CPUs against older generations in GPU limited scenarios, and expecting FPS differences. Kyle Bennett, the owner of HardOCP and I had a good chuckle about the stupidity of most other review sites via an email exchange, which cheered me up a little :(
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Ive read that thread and im talking about 3d. My i5 3570k wasnt(At least badly) single thread bottlenecked in witcher, all cores begged close to 100%. Those older i5's are definitely not holding up well in some of the newer games. Witcher 3 definitely saw 30% boost when i switched to 2600k. I tested them for hours, i didnt "upgrade", just switched 2600k from another pc and couldnt believe how much smoother witcher was. So i put 3570k back in just to compare them. Didnt imagine anything, 30% boost on 2600k and much smoother. Ipc is about the same in both, 3570k little faster. Im sure there are places that are more single thread bottlenecked, like the novigrad square. I didnt run through it my testing sadly, i went from the smaller square to the left on the docks and then to the upper town skipping the main square. i can try later to see what fps i get in novigrad main square, but overall 2600k was so much more smoother in the witcher that it was hard to believe. My route in novigrad was actually the biggest difference between the two in minumum fps. from 40's to barely dropping below 60.
Data also heavily suggested that fallout 4 was single thread bottlenecked badly but i got 5fps boost in minimum fps. Sadly i didnt try any other games because it takes so fucking long to benchmark but i stand what i claimed. I think masterotaku will get more than 30% boost in witcher(many other games too, not all) if he upgrades to 5ghz 7700k with fast ddr4 from a 4670K at 4.3GHz. I bet its 50% difference in witcher and fallout 4 for example.
I have to agree with you about this stupid " professional" benchmark.
I was looking for CPU upgrade possibilities and it is very frustrating to find gaming CPU benchmarks done at 4K. I mean WTF are we testing CPUs or GPUs? What is the point of 4K when you compare CPUs?
I am now very curios how Ryzen CPUs will handle 3D, and if games like BF1 will use all cores in 3D or will be havelly bottlenecked.
PS: If anyone made some test about CPU utilisation in BF1 on 8, 12, 16 cores with 3Dvision on I am very interested in the result. I only have 4 cores and it uses all of them, but does it use more?
Intel i7 8086K
Gigabyte GTX 1080Ti Aorus Extreme
DDR4 2x8gb 3200mhz Cl14
TV LG OLED65E6V
Avegant Glyph
Windows 10 64bits
Matos : Win7 64bits ,i5 3570K 4.2ghz ,GTX 980ti ,12GB ,BenQ W1070 3DTV Play,DSR with CRU (thanks to Skual in this post : https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/860484/problems-with-3dtv-play-and-witcher-3-on-projector/)