Nvidia GTX 275 + Nvidia 3D Vision I need information about performance
Hi there,

I would like to explain the situation shortly.

My system:
Windows 7 (64-bit)
8 BG RAM
Intel Q9300 Quadcore 2.5ghz
Gainward Nvidia Geforce 275 Golden Sample (896MB)


I need to build a 3D setup, gonna buy Acer GD245HQbid as 120hz monitor and Nvidia 3d vision according to answers I will receive from you guys.Pls help me a little, I would like receive many replies to my easy question at the end of the text below;

As I said I have "Gainward Nvidia Geforce 275 Golden Sample (896MB)", with my computer I almost play everything on full detail with 40-60+fps (1680x1050) if I dont push AA above 8x...Which is enough for me.[b]But I have read that enabling 3D vision cripples fps seriously[/b]...The golden question is;
Will my GTX 275 be enough to handle the games on 3d mode on full detail (with or without AA) since Acer monitor is 1920x1080, i am asking this question for 2 resolutions > 1680x1050 & 1920x1080

P.S. Pls dont comment as "buy a more powerful card", since building 3d components (monitor & glasses) is already expensive, around 500$, I dont want to add a card on that.


THX FOR ALL REPLIES
Hi there,



I would like to explain the situation shortly.



My system:

Windows 7 (64-bit)

8 BG RAM

Intel Q9300 Quadcore 2.5ghz

Gainward Nvidia Geforce 275 Golden Sample (896MB)





I need to build a 3D setup, gonna buy Acer GD245HQbid as 120hz monitor and Nvidia 3d vision according to answers I will receive from you guys.Pls help me a little, I would like receive many replies to my easy question at the end of the text below;



As I said I have "Gainward Nvidia Geforce 275 Golden Sample (896MB)", with my computer I almost play everything on full detail with 40-60+fps (1680x1050) if I dont push AA above 8x...Which is enough for me.But I have read that enabling 3D vision cripples fps seriously...The golden question is;

Will my GTX 275 be enough to handle the games on 3d mode on full detail (with or without AA) since Acer monitor is 1920x1080, i am asking this question for 2 resolutions > 1680x1050 & 1920x1080



P.S. Pls dont comment as "buy a more powerful card", since building 3d components (monitor & glasses) is already expensive, around 500$, I dont want to add a card on that.





THX FOR ALL REPLIES

#1
Posted 07/04/2010 09:37 PM   
Come on guys, all I see on net is benchmarks with 480s and SLI setups, I would like to hear from ppl here...
Come on guys, all I see on net is benchmarks with 480s and SLI setups, I would like to hear from ppl here...

#2
Posted 07/04/2010 11:04 PM   
I've used 1x280, 2x280, 1x480 and 2x480 since I got my 3D Vision kit + Alienware due to various circumstances and I can say I would not recommend 3D Vision @ 1080p to anyone with anything less than GT200 SLI or a single GTX 470/480 as the performance just isn't good enough imo.

You may be able to make some games perform well enough by significantly turning down settings, but that may be a hard pill to swallow from someone who is used to cranking everything up at 1680x1050. Besides the obvious game incompatibilities for various games, the 2nd most distracting/detracting aspect is low FPS in the sub-40 range or rapidly fluctuating FPS that bounces between 30-60FPS as this results in a greatly reduced sense of smoothness with any choppiness or micro-stutter highlighted by the shutter glasses. The end result is a strobe-light effect that really takes away from the gaming experience and can even result in nausea or discomfort.

Since it seems you've already bought the monitor and the kit, it sounds like you'll be able to find out first-hand soon enough. If you feel you don't need the extra rendering power and can live with turning down some settings than no worries, but a single 275 will not be able to run most modern DX9/10 titles at 60FPS capped per eye even without any AA in Stereo3D. For example, those games you had running at 30-60FPS, while FPS above 30 seem OK in normal 3D, in S3D that becomes 15-30FPS and is unplayable imo (Dragon Age Origins is a good example of this).
I've used 1x280, 2x280, 1x480 and 2x480 since I got my 3D Vision kit + Alienware due to various circumstances and I can say I would not recommend 3D Vision @ 1080p to anyone with anything less than GT200 SLI or a single GTX 470/480 as the performance just isn't good enough imo.



You may be able to make some games perform well enough by significantly turning down settings, but that may be a hard pill to swallow from someone who is used to cranking everything up at 1680x1050. Besides the obvious game incompatibilities for various games, the 2nd most distracting/detracting aspect is low FPS in the sub-40 range or rapidly fluctuating FPS that bounces between 30-60FPS as this results in a greatly reduced sense of smoothness with any choppiness or micro-stutter highlighted by the shutter glasses. The end result is a strobe-light effect that really takes away from the gaming experience and can even result in nausea or discomfort.



Since it seems you've already bought the monitor and the kit, it sounds like you'll be able to find out first-hand soon enough. If you feel you don't need the extra rendering power and can live with turning down some settings than no worries, but a single 275 will not be able to run most modern DX9/10 titles at 60FPS capped per eye even without any AA in Stereo3D. For example, those games you had running at 30-60FPS, while FPS above 30 seem OK in normal 3D, in S3D that becomes 15-30FPS and is unplayable imo (Dragon Age Origins is a good example of this).

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#3
Posted 07/05/2010 12:09 AM   
[quote name='chiz' post='1082791' date='Jul 5 2010, 01:09 AM']I've used 1x280, 2x280, 1x480 and 2x480 since I got my 3D Vision kit + Alienware due to various circumstances and I can say I would not recommend 3D Vision @ 1080p to anyone with anything less than GT200 SLI or a single GTX 470/480 as the performance just isn't good enough imo.

You may be able to make some games perform well enough by significantly turning down settings, but that may be a hard pill to swallow from someone who is used to cranking everything up at 1680x1050. Besides the obvious game incompatibilities for various games, the 2nd most distracting/detracting aspect is low FPS in the sub-40 range or rapidly fluctuating FPS that bounces between 30-60FPS as this results in a greatly reduced sense of smoothness with any choppiness or micro-stutter highlighted by the shutter glasses. The end result is a strobe-light effect that really takes away from the gaming experience and can even result in nausea or discomfort.

Since it seems you've already bought the monitor and the kit, it sounds like you'll be able to find out first-hand soon enough. If you feel you don't need the extra rendering power and can live with turning down some settings than no worries, but a single 275 will not be able to run most modern DX9/10 titles at 60FPS capped per eye even without any AA in Stereo3D. For example, those games you had running at 30-60FPS, while FPS above 30 seem OK in normal 3D, in S3D that becomes 15-30FPS and is unplayable imo (Dragon Age Origins is a good example of this).[/quote]

Thank you very much for your detailed answer mate, I didnt buy monitor and glasses yet, I was just about to place an order.You saved me from a really expensive disappointment...Thx again
[quote name='chiz' post='1082791' date='Jul 5 2010, 01:09 AM']I've used 1x280, 2x280, 1x480 and 2x480 since I got my 3D Vision kit + Alienware due to various circumstances and I can say I would not recommend 3D Vision @ 1080p to anyone with anything less than GT200 SLI or a single GTX 470/480 as the performance just isn't good enough imo.



You may be able to make some games perform well enough by significantly turning down settings, but that may be a hard pill to swallow from someone who is used to cranking everything up at 1680x1050. Besides the obvious game incompatibilities for various games, the 2nd most distracting/detracting aspect is low FPS in the sub-40 range or rapidly fluctuating FPS that bounces between 30-60FPS as this results in a greatly reduced sense of smoothness with any choppiness or micro-stutter highlighted by the shutter glasses. The end result is a strobe-light effect that really takes away from the gaming experience and can even result in nausea or discomfort.



Since it seems you've already bought the monitor and the kit, it sounds like you'll be able to find out first-hand soon enough. If you feel you don't need the extra rendering power and can live with turning down some settings than no worries, but a single 275 will not be able to run most modern DX9/10 titles at 60FPS capped per eye even without any AA in Stereo3D. For example, those games you had running at 30-60FPS, while FPS above 30 seem OK in normal 3D, in S3D that becomes 15-30FPS and is unplayable imo (Dragon Age Origins is a good example of this).



Thank you very much for your detailed answer mate, I didnt buy monitor and glasses yet, I was just about to place an order.You saved me from a really expensive disappointment...Thx again

#4
Posted 07/05/2010 01:40 AM   
would this spec (inc 275gtx) be ok for 1280 x 720 res on a 3d projector as im getting sick of waiting
for ati 3d driver support for my 5850 and my nvid 9800gt isnt upto it .
or should i be stretching to a 285, i dont really want to go to 400 range cause of
extra cost and extra power consumption.
thx
would this spec (inc 275gtx) be ok for 1280 x 720 res on a 3d projector as im getting sick of waiting

for ati 3d driver support for my 5850 and my nvid 9800gt isnt upto it .

or should i be stretching to a 285, i dont really want to go to 400 range cause of

extra cost and extra power consumption.

thx

#5
Posted 07/05/2010 05:41 AM   
(see my signature for my system specs)

im playing everything maxed in 3DVision on 1680x1050 without AA
there are very few exceptions when I have to lower graphic settings

but this ofc depends on how demanding are you for fps

for me its absolutely alright to have 30fps avarage in single player games

but since you are planning to buy a display with higher resolution.. there will be more cases when you have to degrease graphic settings

btw imo all those scary stories about how 3D Vision cripples performance are way too exaggerated
there are of course some games that take a serious hit, but in most cases its about 20%-25%
so if you have a game running on 50fps and get 40fps with 3DVision - there is no difference
you dont notice it unless you measure fps
(see my signature for my system specs)



im playing everything maxed in 3DVision on 1680x1050 without AA

there are very few exceptions when I have to lower graphic settings



but this ofc depends on how demanding are you for fps



for me its absolutely alright to have 30fps avarage in single player games



but since you are planning to buy a display with higher resolution.. there will be more cases when you have to degrease graphic settings



btw imo all those scary stories about how 3D Vision cripples performance are way too exaggerated

there are of course some games that take a serious hit, but in most cases its about 20%-25%

so if you have a game running on 50fps and get 40fps with 3DVision - there is no difference

you dont notice it unless you measure fps

3D Vision with Acer H274H

#6
Posted 07/05/2010 06:37 AM   
[quote name='-Volatile-' post='1082855' date='Jul 4 2010, 09:40 PM']Thank you very much for your detailed answer mate, I didnt buy monitor and glasses yet, I was just about to place an order.You saved me from a really expensive disappointment...Thx again[/quote]
Np, I think if cost is the major limiting factor then consider upgrading incrementally. I think once these monitors hit the $250-300 range demand for them will increase significantly even for those with interest in 2D only. The problem right now is that at $350-400 its still too much for the TN-gamer crowd who has their price expectation set in the $200 range and the IPS/*VA snobs refuse paying ~$400 for a TN (gasp) panel. I also think the 3D Vision kit needs to be priced ~$100 for higher adoption as that extra $175-$200 is just too significant right now for many people to make the leap.


[quote name='jay7son' post='1082936' date='Jul 5 2010, 01:41 AM']would this spec (inc 275gtx) be ok for 1280 x 720 res on a 3d projector as im getting sick of waiting
for ati 3d driver support for my 5850 and my nvid 9800gt isnt upto it .
or should i be stretching to a 285, i dont really want to go to 400 range cause of
extra cost and extra power consumption.
thx[/quote]
720p is about half the pixels as 1080p so you should be in pretty good shape with a GTX 275, however, I would recommend a GTX 470 or at the very least, wait for the GTX 460 which is supposed to launch in a week (July 12). The GTX 470 can be had for ~$300 and is a significant upgrade from a GTX 275 (50-75%) and has similar TDP (215W vs 218W or so); the 1GB GTX 460 is supposed to only cost $200-$230 and will probably be 15-25% faster than the 275. 400 series feature DX11 of course but even in DX9 titles the architecture is just significantly better than GT200, some specific examples include AC2, PoP 2008/2010, Red Faction Guerilla, Prototype etc.
[quote name='-Volatile-' post='1082855' date='Jul 4 2010, 09:40 PM']Thank you very much for your detailed answer mate, I didnt buy monitor and glasses yet, I was just about to place an order.You saved me from a really expensive disappointment...Thx again

Np, I think if cost is the major limiting factor then consider upgrading incrementally. I think once these monitors hit the $250-300 range demand for them will increase significantly even for those with interest in 2D only. The problem right now is that at $350-400 its still too much for the TN-gamer crowd who has their price expectation set in the $200 range and the IPS/*VA snobs refuse paying ~$400 for a TN (gasp) panel. I also think the 3D Vision kit needs to be priced ~$100 for higher adoption as that extra $175-$200 is just too significant right now for many people to make the leap.





[quote name='jay7son' post='1082936' date='Jul 5 2010, 01:41 AM']would this spec (inc 275gtx) be ok for 1280 x 720 res on a 3d projector as im getting sick of waiting

for ati 3d driver support for my 5850 and my nvid 9800gt isnt upto it .

or should i be stretching to a 285, i dont really want to go to 400 range cause of

extra cost and extra power consumption.

thx

720p is about half the pixels as 1080p so you should be in pretty good shape with a GTX 275, however, I would recommend a GTX 470 or at the very least, wait for the GTX 460 which is supposed to launch in a week (July 12). The GTX 470 can be had for ~$300 and is a significant upgrade from a GTX 275 (50-75%) and has similar TDP (215W vs 218W or so); the 1GB GTX 460 is supposed to only cost $200-$230 and will probably be 15-25% faster than the 275. 400 series feature DX11 of course but even in DX9 titles the architecture is just significantly better than GT200, some specific examples include AC2, PoP 2008/2010, Red Faction Guerilla, Prototype etc.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#7
Posted 07/05/2010 07:02 PM   
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