I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my PC and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my PC and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
[quote name='vhayne' date='02 December 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles.
[/quote]
/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rofl:' />
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
[quote name='vhayne' date='02 December 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles.
/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rofl:' />
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
[quote name='ACIDFAN' date='02 December 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1291334690' post='1155001']
Anyone feel free to correct any of my info.
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rofl:' />
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
[/quote]
Yeah, I know Alienware isn't all it's cracked up to be, nor worth the cost. I usually build my PC's, but I just wanted a professional job (my wiring skills suck, very messy inside), and I loved the case and ease of use of it. I actually have no regrets about it, and just ordered my wife one. :)
Now back to the TV discussion. I'm confused hehe.
While I was waiting on someone to respond to this thread, I continued my research and found this.. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play.html And if you go to the current list of supported TV's mine is "sortof" listed (the 55" model of the same family is listed, but not the 46". The 46" 1 step down -- 8000 is listed though), so I'm guessing it would work. However, this is the first time I've seen anything about nVidia 3DTV Play, but it sounds like it's what I need.
Now you mention 3D Play? Is that the same thing as 3DTV Play? I was under the impression that it was already released, as the requirements seem to be nothing more than downloading the 260.99 drivers and some TV's need the support update as well. So when you say it's not released yet (any ideas on timeframe?), and even a cost associated with it, I'm quite confused.
Could you please take a moment to shed some light on this? Thanks again though. I was beginning to think my question wasn't going to be answered.
PS. I'm going to be getting the new 46" 3DTV for Christmas regardless of if the "Play" is out by then. I can wait if necessary.
[quote name='ACIDFAN' date='02 December 2010 - 07:04 PM' timestamp='1291334690' post='1155001']
Anyone feel free to correct any of my info.
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rofl:' />
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
Yeah, I know Alienware isn't all it's cracked up to be, nor worth the cost. I usually build my PC's, but I just wanted a professional job (my wiring skills suck, very messy inside), and I loved the case and ease of use of it. I actually have no regrets about it, and just ordered my wife one. :)
Now back to the TV discussion. I'm confused hehe.
While I was waiting on someone to respond to this thread, I continued my research and found this.. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play.html And if you go to the current list of supported TV's mine is "sortof" listed (the 55" model of the same family is listed, but not the 46". The 46" 1 step down -- 8000 is listed though), so I'm guessing it would work. However, this is the first time I've seen anything about nVidia 3DTV Play, but it sounds like it's what I need.
Now you mention 3D Play? Is that the same thing as 3DTV Play? I was under the impression that it was already released, as the requirements seem to be nothing more than downloading the 260.99 drivers and some TV's need the support update as well. So when you say it's not released yet (any ideas on timeframe?), and even a cost associated with it, I'm quite confused.
Could you please take a moment to shed some light on this? Thanks again though. I was beginning to think my question wasn't going to be answered.
PS. I'm going to be getting the new 46" 3DTV for Christmas regardless of if the "Play" is out by then. I can wait if necessary.
Yeah I'm no expert on the subject, when I said 3DPlay I was referring to 3DTV Play. I was under the impression that not everyone could download the driver but then I'd be mistaken if you already can utilize it. As far as compatibility goes, I'm sure if the 55C9000 is supported the 46" will be as well, being that they would use the same firmware if they're part of the same series. If on the off chance its not supported I'm sure it will be added in the future. If you have to wait at least you get to wait in front of a crisp clean picture that is samsung. If you'd like specifics you might want to contact Andrew (i think thats the username) whos an nvidia rep on this forum. Also Amorphous might have information hes a mod on this forum.
Heres a link, http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showuser=115331
Yeah I'm no expert on the subject, when I said 3DPlay I was referring to 3DTV Play. I was under the impression that not everyone could download the driver but then I'd be mistaken if you already can utilize it. As far as compatibility goes, I'm sure if the 55C9000 is supported the 46" will be as well, being that they would use the same firmware if they're part of the same series. If on the off chance its not supported I'm sure it will be added in the future. If you have to wait at least you get to wait in front of a crisp clean picture that is samsung. If you'd like specifics you might want to contact Andrew (i think thats the username) whos an nvidia rep on this forum. Also Amorphous might have information hes a mod on this forum.
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
[quote name='vhayne' date='03 December 2010 - 06:56 AM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my Pand 1C and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
[/quote]
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
[quote name='vhayne' date='03 December 2010 - 06:56 AM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my Pand 1C and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
[quote name='ndlrjajdlfo' date='04 December 2010 - 12:01 AM' timestamp='1291438900' post='1155522']
You really want to play game with 3dtv?
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
[/quote]
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
[quote name='ndlrjajdlfo' date='04 December 2010 - 12:01 AM' timestamp='1291438900' post='1155522']
You really want to play game with 3dtv?
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
[quote name='vhayne' date='05 December 2010 - 06:42 AM' timestamp='1291527772' post='1155979']
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
[/quote]
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
[quote name='vhayne' date='05 December 2010 - 06:42 AM' timestamp='1291527772' post='1155979']
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
[quote name='vhayne' date='02 December 2010 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my PC and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
[/quote]
I am in a similar situation. I have Nvidia 3D-Vision running on my home-built PC with twin GTX-285 in SLI and the 23-in Alienware 3D monitor. I use this system exclusively for gaming. I'm thinking of buying a HDTV to use in place of the Alienware monitor. I don't want to go larger than 46-inch because it will be sitting on my computer desk.
I'm presently looking at buying the Panasonic Viera 42" 3D HDTV. Will that work, or are there better options? (). Can I continue to use my NVidia 3D-Vision glasses, or must I buy glasses specific to the TV? What's the down-side, if any (e.g., lower resolution)?
The NVidia website is totally confusing about what can and can't be used, and when I asked NVidia tech support all I got was a list of Mitsubishi HDTVs that are all 50-in or larger.
I'm really hoping someone on the community can point me in the right direction.
[quote name='vhayne' date='02 December 2010 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my PC and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
I am in a similar situation. I have Nvidia 3D-Vision running on my home-built PC with twin GTX-285 in SLI and the 23-in Alienware 3D monitor. I use this system exclusively for gaming. I'm thinking of buying a HDTV to use in place of the Alienware monitor. I don't want to go larger than 46-inch because it will be sitting on my computer desk.
I'm presently looking at buying the Panasonic Viera 42" 3D HDTV. Will that work, or are there better options? (). Can I continue to use my NVidia 3D-Vision glasses, or must I buy glasses specific to the TV? What's the down-side, if any (e.g., lower resolution)?
The NVidia website is totally confusing about what can and can't be used, and when I asked NVidia tech support all I got was a list of Mitsubishi HDTVs that are all 50-in or larger.
I'm really hoping someone on the community can point me in the right direction.
[quote name='davin8r' date='05 December 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1291596334' post='1156438']
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
[/quote]
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
[quote name='davin8r' date='05 December 2010 - 07:45 PM' timestamp='1291596334' post='1156438']
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
[quote name='vhayne' date='07 December 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1291755495' post='1157525']
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
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1. I'm not an expert by any means, but I *think* the 3D Blue Ray 1080P signal, if sent as 3D compressed side-by-side, can only send it as 24 Hz. What your TV does with that when it gets the signal (converts to 120/240/480 via frame interpolation) is beside the point.
2. Display port is a newer type of connector/cable, with much higher bandwidth than HDMI (i.e. a "bigger hose" to carry more data). From what I gather, HDMI is too limited in bandwidth to carry the full 1920x1080 60 Hz compressed 3D signal (because it includes twice the horizontal pixel data as regular 1080P 60 Hz).
[quote name='vhayne' date='07 December 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1291755495' post='1157525']
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
1. I'm not an expert by any means, but I *think* the 3D Blue Ray 1080P signal, if sent as 3D compressed side-by-side, can only send it as 24 Hz. What your TV does with that when it gets the signal (converts to 120/240/480 via frame interpolation) is beside the point.
2. Display port is a newer type of connector/cable, with much higher bandwidth than HDMI (i.e. a "bigger hose" to carry more data). From what I gather, HDMI is too limited in bandwidth to carry the full 1920x1080 60 Hz compressed 3D signal (because it includes twice the horizontal pixel data as regular 1080P 60 Hz).
Well I broke down and purchased the Samsung 46" 8000 series tonight. If nothing else, at least the 3D PS3 games should look good on it. I guess I'll just have to wait for 3D Play to be released.
Well I broke down and purchased the Samsung 46" 8000 series tonight. If nothing else, at least the 3D PS3 games should look good on it. I guess I'll just have to wait for 3D Play to be released.
[quote name='vhayne' date='08 December 2010 - 03:33 AM' timestamp='1291775620' post='1157694']
Well I broke down and purchased the Samsung 46" 8000 series tonight. If nothing else, at least the 3D PS3 games should look good on it. I guess I'll just have to wait for 3D Play to be released.
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Right there with you -- I'm waiting for my 55" C8000 to get here!
[quote name='vhayne' date='08 December 2010 - 03:33 AM' timestamp='1291775620' post='1157694']
Well I broke down and purchased the Samsung 46" 8000 series tonight. If nothing else, at least the 3D PS3 games should look good on it. I guess I'll just have to wait for 3D Play to be released.
Right there with you -- I'm waiting for my 55" C8000 to get here!
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv. Just like the Alienware you bought, it sounds all like bragging rights and to anyone who knows anything about these kinda setups is just gonna laugh at you. You'd of been better off with a projector or vision surround setup and ironically it would of been cheaper/better lol.
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv. Just like the Alienware you bought, it sounds all like bragging rights and to anyone who knows anything about these kinda setups is just gonna laugh at you. You'd of been better off with a projector or vision surround setup and ironically it would of been cheaper/better lol.
[quote name='minidevil' date='08 December 2010 - 05:14 AM' timestamp='1291803247' post='1157826']
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv. Just like the Alienware you bought, it sounds all like bragging rights and to anyone who knows anything about these kinda setups is just gonna laugh at you. You'd of been better off with a projector or vision surround setup and ironically it would of been cheaper/better lol.
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I know it's too close. I would have gone with another 40" if they were available in a 3D model, but 46 is as low as they go, unless you drop all the way down to the monitor sizes which is sub-30". Honestly, I'm not crazy about having to increase in monitor/tv size as you are absolutely correct, it looks like crap. However, when playing games, which is what I do mostly, it's great. And when I'm playing one of my consoles, I'm still sitting about 5-6' from the screen anyway. It does work out.
As far as the bragging goes, well, if you see it as that, then I can't change how you perceive something. But in all honesty, I wasn't trying to brag, just relay the facts to reduce the amount of questions.
[quote name='minidevil' date='08 December 2010 - 05:14 AM' timestamp='1291803247' post='1157826']
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv. Just like the Alienware you bought, it sounds all like bragging rights and to anyone who knows anything about these kinda setups is just gonna laugh at you. You'd of been better off with a projector or vision surround setup and ironically it would of been cheaper/better lol.
I know it's too close. I would have gone with another 40" if they were available in a 3D model, but 46 is as low as they go, unless you drop all the way down to the monitor sizes which is sub-30". Honestly, I'm not crazy about having to increase in monitor/tv size as you are absolutely correct, it looks like crap. However, when playing games, which is what I do mostly, it's great. And when I'm playing one of my consoles, I'm still sitting about 5-6' from the screen anyway. It does work out.
As far as the bragging goes, well, if you see it as that, then I can't change how you perceive something. But in all honesty, I wasn't trying to brag, just relay the facts to reduce the amount of questions.
[quote name='minidevil' date='08 December 2010 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1291803247' post='1157826']
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv.[/quote]
I disagree completely. I always use my Samsung 52" B750 for playing games (sitting approx 3-4 feet away) -- it looks beautiful and is far more immersive than playing on my little 27" Asus monitor at 1080P.
[quote name='minidevil' date='08 December 2010 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1291803247' post='1157826']
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv.
I disagree completely. I always use my Samsung 52" B750 for playing games (sitting approx 3-4 feet away) -- it looks beautiful and is far more immersive than playing on my little 27" Asus monitor at 1080P.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
[quote name='vhayne' date='02 December 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles.
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alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
[quote name='vhayne' date='02 December 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles.
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
Anyone feel free to correct any of my info.
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
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Yeah, I know Alienware isn't all it's cracked up to be, nor worth the cost. I usually build my PC's, but I just wanted a professional job (my wiring skills suck, very messy inside), and I loved the case and ease of use of it. I actually have no regrets about it, and just ordered my wife one. :)
Now back to the TV discussion. I'm confused hehe.
While I was waiting on someone to respond to this thread, I continued my research and found this.. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play.html And if you go to the current list of supported TV's mine is "sortof" listed (the 55" model of the same family is listed, but not the 46". The 46" 1 step down -- 8000 is listed though), so I'm guessing it would work. However, this is the first time I've seen anything about nVidia 3DTV Play, but it sounds like it's what I need.
Now you mention 3D Play? Is that the same thing as 3DTV Play? I was under the impression that it was already released, as the requirements seem to be nothing more than downloading the 260.99 drivers and some TV's need the support update as well. So when you say it's not released yet (any ideas on timeframe?), and even a cost associated with it, I'm quite confused.
Could you please take a moment to shed some light on this? Thanks again though. I was beginning to think my question wasn't going to be answered.
PS. I'm going to be getting the new 46" 3DTV for Christmas regardless of if the "Play" is out by then. I can wait if necessary.
Anyone feel free to correct any of my info.
You're waiting for "3DPlay" a driver that will utilize your nvidia card and the shutter lenses that come with your 3DTV. I hear the software will be priced at around $30.
Compared to "3D Vision" which requires a 120hz pc monitor or 3d ready projector and the set costs $150.
I ended up biting the bullet and buying a 3D DLP and I regret it, you're better off waiting till 3DPlay is released and getting the TV you want. Some tvs are already supported in the beta drivers, you should search around and see if samsung plasmas are on the list. (I believe they are)
Now if they are, from what I understand you can then buy the $150 vision set and get in on the beta drivers for your smasung.
alienware always makes me laugh
but grats on the two 580's metro 2033 is gonna be smooth as glass!
Yeah, I know Alienware isn't all it's cracked up to be, nor worth the cost. I usually build my PC's, but I just wanted a professional job (my wiring skills suck, very messy inside), and I loved the case and ease of use of it. I actually have no regrets about it, and just ordered my wife one. :)
Now back to the TV discussion. I'm confused hehe.
While I was waiting on someone to respond to this thread, I continued my research and found this.. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play.html And if you go to the current list of supported TV's mine is "sortof" listed (the 55" model of the same family is listed, but not the 46". The 46" 1 step down -- 8000 is listed though), so I'm guessing it would work. However, this is the first time I've seen anything about nVidia 3DTV Play, but it sounds like it's what I need.
Now you mention 3D Play? Is that the same thing as 3DTV Play? I was under the impression that it was already released, as the requirements seem to be nothing more than downloading the 260.99 drivers and some TV's need the support update as well. So when you say it's not released yet (any ideas on timeframe?), and even a cost associated with it, I'm quite confused.
Could you please take a moment to shed some light on this? Thanks again though. I was beginning to think my question wasn't going to be answered.
PS. I'm going to be getting the new 46" 3DTV for Christmas regardless of if the "Play" is out by then. I can wait if necessary.
Heres a link, http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showuser=115331
Heres a link, http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showuser=115331
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
[quote name='vhayne' date='03 December 2010 - 06:56 AM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my Pand 1C and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
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if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
[quote name='vhayne' date='03 December 2010 - 06:56 AM' timestamp='1291326968' post='1154944']
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my Pand 1C and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
i7 8700K @4.9
GTX1080Ti
Asrock Z370 Gamming K6
Windows10 64bit
LG OLED UHD 3dtv 55E6K
You really want to play game with 3dtv?
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
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Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
You really want to play game with 3dtv?
if the main purpose of buying 3dtv is just playing game
then u have to choose another solution
for example tridef 3d ignition will be good solution
if u play game with nviia 3dtv play at 1280 x 720P 60hz
then u will be get crazy
and u will be give up to play game so soonely
and 1s more
i strongly suggest to u
don t buy 46c9000
u should buy 55c8000
in my experence 55c8000 has the best 3d quality
it's crosstalk is much less than it of 46c7000
i live in seoul of korea
as u know samsung is korea manufacturer
so i can see many samsung 3dtv very easily in their display shop
and i v tested 46c and 55c in many ways by myself
beleive my advice
if u want to buy new 3dtv then u should choose prefer 55c8000 than 46c9000
plz forgive me for my bad english :)
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
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It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
Thank you for the suggestion. I cannot go with a 55" model, as this will be sitting on top of my computer desk, with me about 3-4 feet away from it. Already jumping from a 40" to a 46" is going take some adjusting to. The 55 would just be nuts lol. But yes, the resolution thing does bother me quite a bit. 720p for a console game isn't that bad, but taking a PC game like WoW and dropping it's res down that far just so you can see it in 3D seems pretty bad. Hopefully they can find a way to allow a 1080p res sometime.
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my PC and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
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I am in a similar situation. I have Nvidia 3D-Vision running on my home-built PC with twin GTX-285 in SLI and the 23-in Alienware 3D monitor. I use this system exclusively for gaming. I'm thinking of buying a HDTV to use in place of the Alienware monitor. I don't want to go larger than 46-inch because it will be sitting on my computer desk.
I'm presently looking at buying the Panasonic Viera 42" 3D HDTV. Will that work, or are there better options? (). Can I continue to use my NVidia 3D-Vision glasses, or must I buy glasses specific to the TV? What's the down-side, if any (e.g., lower resolution)?
The NVidia website is totally confusing about what can and can't be used, and when I asked NVidia tech support all I got was a list of Mitsubishi HDTVs that are all 50-in or larger.
I'm really hoping someone on the community can point me in the right direction.
Thanks in advance!
I've been putting together a killer 3D setup for my PC and I recently discovered the TV I was wanting to purchase isn't compatible apparently (nor nearly any HDTV), and this has caused me to come here, register, and post this question to you guys, as it's very worrysome.
A couple of months ago, I received my new Alienware Area-51 machine with I7-975, 12GB Ram, and many other bells and whistles. All in the preparation of doing 3D with my PC (using nVidia's 3D Vision). I also, just ordered 2 GTX 580's for this sole purpose as well.
Now, I've been using a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD TV as my desktop monitor for a couple of years now, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading to a 23" computer monitor just for the sake of using 3D. I had intended on purchasing the 46" Samsung model UN46C9000 (which is their top-of-the-line), which of course is a 3DTV, for the sole purpose of playing games on my PC in 3D.
As I noted above, I recently discovered that nVidia isn't supporting many, if any, HDTV's with their 3D Vision, according to http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html .
My main question is "Why??"
If it's a situation where they haven't "tested" the TV's, and therefore cannot state they are "supported", but in all actuality, they should work fine, then that would be perfectly okay.
But if it's a reason more technical, I'd greatly appreciate it if someone would break that problem down for me. Is it a connectivity issue? Is it that these TV's don't have a specific port required?
Whatever the reason, I'd really like to know. I've spent a TON of money so far on this project, and intend on spending another great amount on the TV. This is a very important concern.
Thanks in advance for any help you guys can provide.
I am in a similar situation. I have Nvidia 3D-Vision running on my home-built PC with twin GTX-285 in SLI and the 23-in Alienware 3D monitor. I use this system exclusively for gaming. I'm thinking of buying a HDTV to use in place of the Alienware monitor. I don't want to go larger than 46-inch because it will be sitting on my computer desk.
I'm presently looking at buying the Panasonic Viera 42" 3D HDTV. Will that work, or are there better options? (). Can I continue to use my NVidia 3D-Vision glasses, or must I buy glasses specific to the TV? What's the down-side, if any (e.g., lower resolution)?
The NVidia website is totally confusing about what can and can't be used, and when I asked NVidia tech support all I got was a list of Mitsubishi HDTVs that are all 50-in or larger.
I'm really hoping someone on the community can point me in the right direction.
Thanks in advance!
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
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I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
It's a limitation of HDMI 1.4 (can't support side-by-side frame packing mode at 1920x1080/60 Hz), so the only solution will be new TVs that support Displayport or a higher bandwidth version of HDMI.
I won't mind 720P in 3D, especially if there is plenty of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering thrown in.
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
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1. I'm not an expert by any means, but I *think* the 3D Blue Ray 1080P signal, if sent as 3D compressed side-by-side, can only send it as 24 Hz. What your TV does with that when it gets the signal (converts to 120/240/480 via frame interpolation) is beside the point.
2. Display port is a newer type of connector/cable, with much higher bandwidth than HDMI (i.e. a "bigger hose" to carry more data). From what I gather, HDMI is too limited in bandwidth to carry the full 1920x1080 60 Hz compressed 3D signal (because it includes twice the horizontal pixel data as regular 1080P 60 Hz).
I'm still a bit confused by this.
Number 1, as far as the HDMI 1.4 goes, isn't that what all the current 3DTV's are using right now? And last I checked, they had no problems receiving a signal from a 3D Blu-Ray player at 1920x1080/60Hz (with the TV boosting it up to 120Hz) via an HDMI cable. So, perhaps it's a problem with the actual design architecture of nVidia's program? I don't know, but it's awful confusing and disappointing at the same time.
Number 2, I'm not sure what Displayport is, but I know that my current Samsung 40" has a VGA port on the back. I tried using a DVI cable with an adapter for it, and the resolution sucked. It wasn't until I started using a DVI to HDMI cable that I was finally able to get a real 1080p resolution from my PC.
Number 3, my highest goal was to run 3 46" 3DTV's in 3D Surround, but with the current limitations, it's starting to make me consider dropping the entire TV idea completely and going with something else. The size sacrifice I think is just too unbearable.
1. I'm not an expert by any means, but I *think* the 3D Blue Ray 1080P signal, if sent as 3D compressed side-by-side, can only send it as 24 Hz. What your TV does with that when it gets the signal (converts to 120/240/480 via frame interpolation) is beside the point.
2. Display port is a newer type of connector/cable, with much higher bandwidth than HDMI (i.e. a "bigger hose" to carry more data). From what I gather, HDMI is too limited in bandwidth to carry the full 1920x1080 60 Hz compressed 3D signal (because it includes twice the horizontal pixel data as regular 1080P 60 Hz).
Well I broke down and purchased the Samsung 46" 8000 series tonight. If nothing else, at least the 3D PS3 games should look good on it. I guess I'll just have to wait for 3D Play to be released.
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Right there with you -- I'm waiting for my 55" C8000 to get here!
Well I broke down and purchased the Samsung 46" 8000 series tonight. If nothing else, at least the 3D PS3 games should look good on it. I guess I'll just have to wait for 3D Play to be released.
Right there with you -- I'm waiting for my 55" C8000 to get here!
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv. Just like the Alienware you bought, it sounds all like bragging rights and to anyone who knows anything about these kinda setups is just gonna laugh at you. You'd of been better off with a projector or vision surround setup and ironically it would of been cheaper/better lol.
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I know it's too close. I would have gone with another 40" if they were available in a 3D model, but 46 is as low as they go, unless you drop all the way down to the monitor sizes which is sub-30". Honestly, I'm not crazy about having to increase in monitor/tv size as you are absolutely correct, it looks like crap. However, when playing games, which is what I do mostly, it's great. And when I'm playing one of my consoles, I'm still sitting about 5-6' from the screen anyway. It does work out.
As far as the bragging goes, well, if you see it as that, then I can't change how you perceive something. But in all honesty, I wasn't trying to brag, just relay the facts to reduce the amount of questions.
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv. Just like the Alienware you bought, it sounds all like bragging rights and to anyone who knows anything about these kinda setups is just gonna laugh at you. You'd of been better off with a projector or vision surround setup and ironically it would of been cheaper/better lol.
I know it's too close. I would have gone with another 40" if they were available in a 3D model, but 46 is as low as they go, unless you drop all the way down to the monitor sizes which is sub-30". Honestly, I'm not crazy about having to increase in monitor/tv size as you are absolutely correct, it looks like crap. However, when playing games, which is what I do mostly, it's great. And when I'm playing one of my consoles, I'm still sitting about 5-6' from the screen anyway. It does work out.
As far as the bragging goes, well, if you see it as that, then I can't change how you perceive something. But in all honesty, I wasn't trying to brag, just relay the facts to reduce the amount of questions.
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv.[/quote]
I disagree completely. I always use my Samsung 52" B750 for playing games (sitting approx 3-4 feet away) -- it looks beautiful and is far more immersive than playing on my little 27" Asus monitor at 1080P.
You do realise with how close you'd sit using that Tv as a monitor it's pointless right? It's too big, you're not sat far enough away from it and thus it will look crap. You should be sat 5.8ft+ away at least for a 46" Tv.
I disagree completely. I always use my Samsung 52" B750 for playing games (sitting approx 3-4 feet away) -- it looks beautiful and is far more immersive than playing on my little 27" Asus monitor at 1080P.