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Hi Frens, want to buy 3D Monitor or 3D TV this week, but b4 buy want to knw tht, 3D monitor with 3D vision kit it wil beter or 3D TV with 3D TV play driver give beter in 3D efect/quality? Which 1 give much beter 3D performance/Quality/effect?
Thanks in advance..
Hi Frens, want to buy 3D Monitor or 3D TV this week, but b4 buy want to knw tht, 3D monitor with 3D vision kit it wil beter or 3D TV with 3D TV play driver give beter in 3D efect/quality? Which 1 give much beter 3D performance/Quality/effect?
They are the exact same thing, only difference is Vision stops at 1080p and Play goes upto 720p. Best choice is a monitor in my opinion, for all the Lightboost and optimizations for the least ghosting. That or a projector, people get really amazing ghost free displays out of them.
They are the exact same thing, only difference is Vision stops at 1080p and Play goes upto 720p. Best choice is a monitor in my opinion, for all the Lightboost and optimizations for the least ghosting. That or a projector, people get really amazing ghost free displays out of them.
I'll argue the other way - depending on where you want to play a monitor can be nice but I prefer playing in my living room. A Plasma 3DTV with active shutter glasses. I feed a HDMI signal to my Pioneer receiver (5.1) and let it feed my 3DTV. Great picture, almost no ghosting, awesome black levels (it looks like the TV is off) and insane sound. The setup plays double (triple?) duty for 3DBlueray's and normal TV watching.
I'll argue the other way - depending on where you want to play a monitor can be nice but I prefer playing in my living room. A Plasma 3DTV with active shutter glasses. I feed a HDMI signal to my Pioneer receiver (5.1) and let it feed my 3DTV. Great picture, almost no ghosting, awesome black levels (it looks like the TV is off) and insane sound. The setup plays double (triple?) duty for 3DBlueray's and normal TV watching.
If you plan on watching 3D Movies with faimily and friends, then get a DLP projector or a TV.
If it's just going to be you gaming, get a true 120Hz monitor or one of the 144Hz monitors. Not only are they great for stereoscopic gaming, but 120Hz and up is great for 2D PVP.
The larger the screen, the greater the immersion imo.
If you plan on watching 3D Movies with faimily and friends, then get a DLP projector or a TV.
If it's just going to be you gaming, get a true 120Hz monitor or one of the 144Hz monitors. Not only are they great for stereoscopic gaming, but 120Hz and up is great for 2D PVP.
The larger the screen, the greater the immersion imo.
Thanks to ALL,
actualy i want to ask tht, 3D monitor 120Hz + 3D vision kit is beter in 3D efects
or
3D TV + 3DTV Play driver give beter 3D efect? or both r same ?
D-Man11.. Means 120Hz 3D monitor+ 3D visoin kit give beter 3D efect compare to 3D TV + 3DTV play driver in gaming.
[quote="RobertZomi"]Thanks to ALL,
actualy i want to ask tht, 3D monitor 120Hz + 3D vision kit is beter in 3D efects
or
3D TV + 3DTV Play driver give beter 3D efect? or both r same ?
D-Man11.. Means 120Hz 3D monitor+ 3D visoin kit give beter 3D efect compare to 3D TV + 3DTV play driver in gaming. [/quote]
A 3D NVidia 3d monitor, e.g. Asus VG278H
+ Great ghosting levels
+ 1080p resolution
- only 27 inches (but when your sat at your desk, will fill a much higher FOV then a 50" TV in your lounge)
3DTV
+ It's in your lounge
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
- 720P resolution
- Normally worse ghosting then top line 3D monitors (I do not know much about 3D plasma though, plasma usually has much faster response time)
- 3DTV play software (only 5 activations before having to call apparently poor Nvidia support)
3DTV with DLP projector
+ Massive screen
+ Minimal ghosting
+ Larger FOV then a TV
+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)
- 3DTV play Software
- only 720P res (but I have heard of users this isn't anywhere near as bad as a low res monitor.)
So, if you want the best overall experience, probably best to get a DLP projector.
Want to highest resolution gaming? get a Nvidia3D monitor
Want to use your current 3D TV in comfort of lounge? Then just get 3DTV software.
Hope that helps.
RobertZomi said:Thanks to ALL,
actualy i want to ask tht, 3D monitor 120Hz + 3D vision kit is beter in 3D efects
or
3D TV + 3DTV Play driver give beter 3D efect? or both r same ?
D-Man11.. Means 120Hz 3D monitor+ 3D visoin kit give beter 3D efect compare to 3D TV + 3DTV play driver in gaming.
A 3D NVidia 3d monitor, e.g. Asus VG278H
+ Great ghosting levels
+ 1080p resolution
- only 27 inches (but when your sat at your desk, will fill a much higher FOV then a 50" TV in your lounge)
3DTV
+ It's in your lounge
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
- 720P resolution
- Normally worse ghosting then top line 3D monitors (I do not know much about 3D plasma though, plasma usually has much faster response time)
- 3DTV play software (only 5 activations before having to call apparently poor Nvidia support)
3DTV with DLP projector
+ Massive screen
+ Minimal ghosting
+ Larger FOV then a TV
+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)
- 3DTV play Software
- only 720P res (but I have heard of users this isn't anywhere near as bad as a low res monitor.)
So, if you want the best overall experience, probably best to get a DLP projector.
Want to highest resolution gaming? get a Nvidia3D monitor
Want to use your current 3D TV in comfort of lounge? Then just get 3DTV software.
[quote="foreverseeking"]+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)[/quote]
Nope, DLP doesn't blur the light. Each pixel is distinct.
You might have heard something like this because in the past DLP was known to have less space between pixels than LCD projectors, giving less of a screen door effect. Or, DLP rear projection TVs use wobulation where pixels overlap to a degree, but this doesn't apply to projectors.
foreverseeking said:+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)
Nope, DLP doesn't blur the light. Each pixel is distinct.
You might have heard something like this because in the past DLP was known to have less space between pixels than LCD projectors, giving less of a screen door effect. Or, DLP rear projection TVs use wobulation where pixels overlap to a degree, but this doesn't apply to projectors.
Some of the first DLP rear projection TVs used wobulation (designed and patented by HP)to achieve 1920x1080 using an optical actuator to create a single frame from 2 subframes. This is why Texas Instruments developed their form of checkerboard. http://www.eetimes.com/design/signal-processing-dsp/4013352/The-SmoothPicture-algorithm-An-overview?pageNumber=0
Some DLP projectors claim "Native" resolutions 1280x720 or 1280x800 but they do not actually have 1 to 1 pixel mapping, the inputed video is downsampled to the mirror array.
Some DLP Projectors map pixels one to one with the mirror array.
There are also high end DLP projectors that use 3 DMD chips, one for each primary color.
Some DLP projectors claim "Native" resolutions 1280x720 or 1280x800 but they do not actually have 1 to 1 pixel mapping, the inputed video is downsampled to the mirror array.
Some DLP Projectors map pixels one to one with the mirror array.
There are also high end DLP projectors that use 3 DMD chips, one for each primary color.
[quote="mbloof"]I'll argue the other way - depending on where you want to play[/quote]
basically this. if you like to game up close and personal, monitor is the way to go; if you play from a distance, TV and projector.
[quote="foreverseeking"]
3DTV
+ It's in your lounge
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
- 720P resolution
- Normally worse ghosting then top line 3D monitors (I do not know much about 3D plasma though, plasma usually has much faster response time)
- 3DTV play software (only 5 activations before having to call apparently poor Nvidia support)
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+ Having it in your 'lounge' (living/family) room is a big plus (or minus, you can interact with other members of your family) You don't have to be hunched over a desk with your face arms length to the monitor.
+ If you sit the recommended 6x screen height away from the screen the 3D depth looks more impressive.
+/- its only 720P resolution, however 720P-3D requires less CPU/GPU to drive than 1080P AND at 6x screen height distance away there really is little if any difference in quality.
+/- Passive LCD 3DTV's have the worse ghosting of any current solution 2nd only to ACTIVE LCD's. A good 3D Plasma TV has the least amount of ghosting all of them.
+ The viewing angle/range of a passive LCD is the worse followed by active LCD and Plasma again has the best.
+ Dark/black levels a LCDs have gotten better to where they are almost as good as a Plasma
+ The whole family/friends can sit around and watch 3DBluerays and regular TV when not used for gaming.
+ It's in your lounge
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
- 720P resolution
- Normally worse ghosting then top line 3D monitors (I do not know much about 3D plasma though, plasma usually has much faster response time)
- 3DTV play software (only 5 activations before having to call apparently poor Nvidia support)
+ Having it in your 'lounge' (living/family) room is a big plus (or minus, you can interact with other members of your family) You don't have to be hunched over a desk with your face arms length to the monitor.
+ If you sit the recommended 6x screen height away from the screen the 3D depth looks more impressive.
+/- its only 720P resolution, however 720P-3D requires less CPU/GPU to drive than 1080P AND at 6x screen height distance away there really is little if any difference in quality.
+/- Passive LCD 3DTV's have the worse ghosting of any current solution 2nd only to ACTIVE LCD's. A good 3D Plasma TV has the least amount of ghosting all of them.
+ The viewing angle/range of a passive LCD is the worse followed by active LCD and Plasma again has the best.
+ Dark/black levels a LCDs have gotten better to where they are almost as good as a Plasma
+ The whole family/friends can sit around and watch 3DBluerays and regular TV when not used for gaming.
[quote="teardropmina"]
basically this. if you like to game up close and personal, monitor is the way to go; if you play from a distance, TV and projector.
[/quote][quote="mbloof"][quote="foreverseeking"]
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
[/quote]
+ If you sit the recommended 6x screen height away from the screen the 3D depth looks more impressive.
[/quote]
I'd just like to point out if you have the freedom to set up your gaming room as you wish, you can sit as close as you want to your TV or projector. I sit about 1.3 screen heights away from my projection screen. 6x would leave me disappointed.
My recommendation is to sit as close as you comfortably can. A larger FOV helps immerse you in the 3D. It's true that the 3D effect is enhanced when you move back, but that applies more to movies where the 3D effect is baked into the video (and they were originally made to be viewed some distance for a large screen). For PC games, we can adjust depth to realistic values and convergence to our liking to compensate for sitting closer.
teardropmina said:
basically this. if you like to game up close and personal, monitor is the way to go; if you play from a distance, TV and projector.
mbloof said:
foreverseeking said:
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
+ If you sit the recommended 6x screen height away from the screen the 3D depth looks more impressive.
I'd just like to point out if you have the freedom to set up your gaming room as you wish, you can sit as close as you want to your TV or projector. I sit about 1.3 screen heights away from my projection screen. 6x would leave me disappointed.
My recommendation is to sit as close as you comfortably can. A larger FOV helps immerse you in the 3D. It's true that the 3D effect is enhanced when you move back, but that applies more to movies where the 3D effect is baked into the video (and they were originally made to be viewed some distance for a large screen). For PC games, we can adjust depth to realistic values and convergence to our liking to compensate for sitting closer.
[quote="Airion"][quote="foreverseeking"]+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)[/quote]
Nope, DLP doesn't blur the light. Each pixel is distinct.
[/quote]
Oh dear. I heard differently. My friend just ordered an Nvidia projector on my advice (I mentioned that people on here had stated the low resolution doesn't seem to matter so much as you can't see the individual pixels). Thanks for the heads up Airion. I will now prepare my defence for when my friend says he can see the pixels ;-)
As for closeness to TV mentioned by both Airion and mbloof, this is completely a matter of preference. The further away you are from the screen the better the 3D effect looks imo. That seems to be why people playing crisis 2 on consoles thought the 3D was great, but people on PC's playing on a monitor up close thought it was terrible.
I personally would choose a large FOV over the 'sweet spot' distance for 3D. But then again, the best of both worlds would be to have a MASSIVE TV or projector screen and have the best of both worlds. I think 6x height distance sounds to large for my tastes though. That would mean the screen would be quite a small fov. Each to their own though.
foreverseeking said:+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)
Nope, DLP doesn't blur the light. Each pixel is distinct.
Oh dear. I heard differently. My friend just ordered an Nvidia projector on my advice (I mentioned that people on here had stated the low resolution doesn't seem to matter so much as you can't see the individual pixels). Thanks for the heads up Airion. I will now prepare my defence for when my friend says he can see the pixels ;-)
As for closeness to TV mentioned by both Airion and mbloof, this is completely a matter of preference. The further away you are from the screen the better the 3D effect looks imo. That seems to be why people playing crisis 2 on consoles thought the 3D was great, but people on PC's playing on a monitor up close thought it was terrible.
I personally would choose a large FOV over the 'sweet spot' distance for 3D. But then again, the best of both worlds would be to have a MASSIVE TV or projector screen and have the best of both worlds. I think 6x height distance sounds to large for my tastes though. That would mean the screen would be quite a small fov. Each to their own though.
[quote="foreverseeking"]
As for closeness to TV mentioned by both Airion and mbloof, this is completely a matter of preference. The further away you are from the screen the better the 3D effect looks imo. That seems to be why people playing crisis 2 on consoles thought the 3D was great, but people on PC's playing on a monitor up close thought it was terrible.
[/quote]
this might be preference, but by my own experience, the fake 3D of Crysis 2& 3 simply lowers the overall image quality, from a distance they may look ok in 3D, but it's far inferior to the quality 2D image. this for me, itsn't worthy of playing in 3D, since 2D provides much better image quality.
true 3D (native or after helix fix) titles on the other hand, actually have better image quality than standard 2D maxed out. Metro 2033 (ready) and Prototype 2 (Helix fix) for primary examples...and we both know how Alice Madness Returns turned out.
my personal preference is up close and personal with highest depth and convergence possible in 3D surround: 3D effect and (close) image quality are equally important to me.
As for closeness to TV mentioned by both Airion and mbloof, this is completely a matter of preference. The further away you are from the screen the better the 3D effect looks imo. That seems to be why people playing crisis 2 on consoles thought the 3D was great, but people on PC's playing on a monitor up close thought it was terrible.
this might be preference, but by my own experience, the fake 3D of Crysis 2& 3 simply lowers the overall image quality, from a distance they may look ok in 3D, but it's far inferior to the quality 2D image. this for me, itsn't worthy of playing in 3D, since 2D provides much better image quality.
true 3D (native or after helix fix) titles on the other hand, actually have better image quality than standard 2D maxed out. Metro 2033 (ready) and Prototype 2 (Helix fix) for primary examples...and we both know how Alice Madness Returns turned out.
my personal preference is up close and personal with highest depth and convergence possible in 3D surround: 3D effect and (close) image quality are equally important to me.
[quote="Airion"][quote="teardropmina"]
basically this. if you like to game up close and personal, monitor is the way to go; if you play from a distance, TV and projector.
[/quote]
My recommendation is to sit as close as you comfortably can. A larger FOV helps immerse you in the 3D. It's true that the 3D effect is enhanced when you move back, but that applies more to movies where the 3D effect is baked into the video (and they were originally made to be viewed some distance for a large screen). For PC games, we can adjust depth to realistic values and convergence to our liking to compensate for sitting closer.
[/quote]
what I allured to was that if one does care about image quality, up close and personal gaming, 3D monitor is the way to go:)
teardropmina said:
basically this. if you like to game up close and personal, monitor is the way to go; if you play from a distance, TV and projector.
My recommendation is to sit as close as you comfortably can. A larger FOV helps immerse you in the 3D. It's true that the 3D effect is enhanced when you move back, but that applies more to movies where the 3D effect is baked into the video (and they were originally made to be viewed some distance for a large screen). For PC games, we can adjust depth to realistic values and convergence to our liking to compensate for sitting closer.
what I allured to was that if one does care about image quality, up close and personal gaming, 3D monitor is the way to go:)
Thanks in advance..
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If it's just going to be you gaming, get a true 120Hz monitor or one of the 144Hz monitors. Not only are they great for stereoscopic gaming, but 120Hz and up is great for 2D PVP.
The larger the screen, the greater the immersion imo.
actualy i want to ask tht, 3D monitor 120Hz + 3D vision kit is beter in 3D efects
or
3D TV + 3DTV Play driver give beter 3D efect? or both r same ?
D-Man11.. Means 120Hz 3D monitor+ 3D visoin kit give beter 3D efect compare to 3D TV + 3DTV play driver in gaming.
3DTV Play its limited to 720p/60 or 1080p/24.
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A 3D NVidia 3d monitor, e.g. Asus VG278H
+ Great ghosting levels
+ 1080p resolution
- only 27 inches (but when your sat at your desk, will fill a much higher FOV then a 50" TV in your lounge)
3DTV
+ It's in your lounge
- Lower FOV (as you're normally sat further away from it)
- 720P resolution
- Normally worse ghosting then top line 3D monitors (I do not know much about 3D plasma though, plasma usually has much faster response time)
- 3DTV play software (only 5 activations before having to call apparently poor Nvidia support)
3DTV with DLP projector
+ Massive screen
+ Minimal ghosting
+ Larger FOV then a TV
+ 720 res will notice less (If I am right, doesn't dlp blur the light? so it's not like you see every pixel like on a LCD monitor.)
- 3DTV play Software
- only 720P res (but I have heard of users this isn't anywhere near as bad as a low res monitor.)
So, if you want the best overall experience, probably best to get a DLP projector.
Want to highest resolution gaming? get a Nvidia3D monitor
Want to use your current 3D TV in comfort of lounge? Then just get 3DTV software.
Hope that helps.
OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti
Nope, DLP doesn't blur the light. Each pixel is distinct.
You might have heard something like this because in the past DLP was known to have less space between pixels than LCD projectors, giving less of a screen door effect. Or, DLP rear projection TVs use wobulation where pixels overlap to a degree, but this doesn't apply to projectors.
Some DLP projectors claim "Native" resolutions 1280x720 or 1280x800 but they do not actually have 1 to 1 pixel mapping, the inputed video is downsampled to the mirror array.
Some DLP Projectors map pixels one to one with the mirror array.
There are also high end DLP projectors that use 3 DMD chips, one for each primary color.
basically this. if you like to game up close and personal, monitor is the way to go; if you play from a distance, TV and projector.
epenny size =/= nerdiness
+ Having it in your 'lounge' (living/family) room is a big plus (or minus, you can interact with other members of your family) You don't have to be hunched over a desk with your face arms length to the monitor.
+ If you sit the recommended 6x screen height away from the screen the 3D depth looks more impressive.
+/- its only 720P resolution, however 720P-3D requires less CPU/GPU to drive than 1080P AND at 6x screen height distance away there really is little if any difference in quality.
+/- Passive LCD 3DTV's have the worse ghosting of any current solution 2nd only to ACTIVE LCD's. A good 3D Plasma TV has the least amount of ghosting all of them.
+ The viewing angle/range of a passive LCD is the worse followed by active LCD and Plasma again has the best.
+ Dark/black levels a LCDs have gotten better to where they are almost as good as a Plasma
+ The whole family/friends can sit around and watch 3DBluerays and regular TV when not used for gaming.
i7-2600K-4.5Ghz/Corsair H100i/8GB/GTX780SC-SLI/Win7-64/1200W-PSU/Samsung 840-500GB SSD/Coolermaster-Tower/Benq 1080ST @ 100"
I'd just like to point out if you have the freedom to set up your gaming room as you wish, you can sit as close as you want to your TV or projector. I sit about 1.3 screen heights away from my projection screen. 6x would leave me disappointed.
My recommendation is to sit as close as you comfortably can. A larger FOV helps immerse you in the 3D. It's true that the 3D effect is enhanced when you move back, but that applies more to movies where the 3D effect is baked into the video (and they were originally made to be viewed some distance for a large screen). For PC games, we can adjust depth to realistic values and convergence to our liking to compensate for sitting closer.
Oh dear. I heard differently. My friend just ordered an Nvidia projector on my advice (I mentioned that people on here had stated the low resolution doesn't seem to matter so much as you can't see the individual pixels). Thanks for the heads up Airion. I will now prepare my defence for when my friend says he can see the pixels ;-)
As for closeness to TV mentioned by both Airion and mbloof, this is completely a matter of preference. The further away you are from the screen the better the 3D effect looks imo. That seems to be why people playing crisis 2 on consoles thought the 3D was great, but people on PC's playing on a monitor up close thought it was terrible.
I personally would choose a large FOV over the 'sweet spot' distance for 3D. But then again, the best of both worlds would be to have a MASSIVE TV or projector screen and have the best of both worlds. I think 6x height distance sounds to large for my tastes though. That would mean the screen would be quite a small fov. Each to their own though.
OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti
this might be preference, but by my own experience, the fake 3D of Crysis 2& 3 simply lowers the overall image quality, from a distance they may look ok in 3D, but it's far inferior to the quality 2D image. this for me, itsn't worthy of playing in 3D, since 2D provides much better image quality.
true 3D (native or after helix fix) titles on the other hand, actually have better image quality than standard 2D maxed out. Metro 2033 (ready) and Prototype 2 (Helix fix) for primary examples...and we both know how Alice Madness Returns turned out.
my personal preference is up close and personal with highest depth and convergence possible in 3D surround: 3D effect and (close) image quality are equally important to me.
epenny size =/= nerdiness
what I allured to was that if one does care about image quality, up close and personal gaming, 3D monitor is the way to go:)
epenny size =/= nerdiness