[quote="vurt72"][quote="Metaloholic"]Motion sick propably has nothing to do with practice. [/quote]
For a lot of people i think it has to do with practice, us who are old enough to remember when 3D games were new (Wolfenstein etc) also remembers how many people complained about those "terrible 3D games" that was impossible to play due to the motion sickness you would get from playing them..
So yeah, its expected to see a few people complaining about it in VR, and it's sad to see that developers are listening to this whiny group and removing walking alltogether in favor for teleportation, which obviously has no place in games who wants to have state of the art immersion.
I think it's a relatively small, but loud group, some which should just face the fact that VR is not for them. If you are a person who is overly sensitive to motion sicknes i think its even idiotic to believe VR is probably something for you, it's not.
I have to say i thought playing with the stick in VR was awful at first, felt like i was going to fall on my ass (Doom 3, Windlands). But it has really improved to the point that i have no problem with it, though it really, really helps to sit down, and we will end up sitting down playing VR anyways, apart from a few games. I can not see myself playing standing up for e.g an hour, my feet hurts after 10 minutes :P
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Your view is superficial. I will give you an example.
I never got car sickness, boat sickness, height sickness or any other type of sickness; with thousands of hours gaming on different type of divices: Red Cyan, Frame sequential on CRT, Vuzix VR920, HD 3dTV, 4k 3dTV, 3D Projector with 0 motion sickness.
If I get motion sickness in VR it means that probably is something wrong with the technology. I tried to train myself to stand it but it was to much.
The majority of people I know get a bit of dizziness after watching a 3d movie. What should I expect them to feel after playing doom in VR for example?
If you start counting the people that can stand the Doom kind of movement in VR the market gets very very small.
Metaloholic said:Motion sick propably has nothing to do with practice.
For a lot of people i think it has to do with practice, us who are old enough to remember when 3D games were new (Wolfenstein etc) also remembers how many people complained about those "terrible 3D games" that was impossible to play due to the motion sickness you would get from playing them..
So yeah, its expected to see a few people complaining about it in VR, and it's sad to see that developers are listening to this whiny group and removing walking alltogether in favor for teleportation, which obviously has no place in games who wants to have state of the art immersion.
I think it's a relatively small, but loud group, some which should just face the fact that VR is not for them. If you are a person who is overly sensitive to motion sicknes i think its even idiotic to believe VR is probably something for you, it's not.
I have to say i thought playing with the stick in VR was awful at first, felt like i was going to fall on my ass (Doom 3, Windlands). But it has really improved to the point that i have no problem with it, though it really, really helps to sit down, and we will end up sitting down playing VR anyways, apart from a few games. I can not see myself playing standing up for e.g an hour, my feet hurts after 10 minutes :P
Your view is superficial. I will give you an example.
I never got car sickness, boat sickness, height sickness or any other type of sickness; with thousands of hours gaming on different type of divices: Red Cyan, Frame sequential on CRT, Vuzix VR920, HD 3dTV, 4k 3dTV, 3D Projector with 0 motion sickness.
If I get motion sickness in VR it means that probably is something wrong with the technology. I tried to train myself to stand it but it was to much.
The majority of people I know get a bit of dizziness after watching a 3d movie. What should I expect them to feel after playing doom in VR for example?
If you start counting the people that can stand the Doom kind of movement in VR the market gets very very small.
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It just means people are different. Again, people complained about motion siickness for 3D games too. I doublt there are actual numbers of how many get motion sick from VR, id like a source.
And again, sitting down is highly recommended i think it really helps the brain to understand that you are doing 2 separate things, when you stand up and walk (in game) its gets confusing = you get motion sick.
It just means people are different. Again, people complained about motion siickness for 3D games too. I doublt there are actual numbers of how many get motion sick from VR, id like a source.
And again, sitting down is highly recommended i think it really helps the brain to understand that you are doing 2 separate things, when you stand up and walk (in game) its gets confusing = you get motion sick.
There is no way you can play the doom vive mod sat down. You still have to turn with your body.
You don't use a 360 pad or keyboard.
You stand and your left motion controller is the torch and the right motion controller is your gun.
Your left motion controller track pad is forwards/backwards/strafe left/strafe right.
It's the turning with the a mouse or 360 controller that makes you feel ill in FPS games.
It's so good. Just try it, if it makes you sick then you are missing out but if it doesn't then you are in for one of the best gaming experiences you have ever had! (IMO)
There is no way you can play the doom vive mod sat down. You still have to turn with your body.
You don't use a 360 pad or keyboard.
You stand and your left motion controller is the torch and the right motion controller is your gun.
Your left motion controller track pad is forwards/backwards/strafe left/strafe right.
It's the turning with the a mouse or 360 controller that makes you feel ill in FPS games.
It's so good. Just try it, if it makes you sick then you are missing out but if it doesn't then you are in for one of the best gaming experiences you have ever had! (IMO)
I've played through standard FPS in VR with VorpX as well as games designed for VR with mouse/keyboard and never got any motion sickness.
What got me motion sick one time was using the gamepad to turn around. It's the constant smooth motion that does it. Your eyes say your body is turning, your other senses say you are not hence the sickness.
If one can't stand the heat, one stays out of the kitchen. One does not go around telling everyone how bad kitchens are and how we should eat food uncooked ;-)
It's such a shame that developers have taken out mouse/keyboard movement from a lot of VR games.
I've played through standard FPS in VR with VorpX as well as games designed for VR with mouse/keyboard and never got any motion sickness.
What got me motion sick one time was using the gamepad to turn around. It's the constant smooth motion that does it. Your eyes say your body is turning, your other senses say you are not hence the sickness.
If one can't stand the heat, one stays out of the kitchen. One does not go around telling everyone how bad kitchens are and how we should eat food uncooked ;-)
It's such a shame that developers have taken out mouse/keyboard movement from a lot of VR games.
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Arizona sunshine are adding full locomotion!
I hope they do it for alien isolation too. Before the alien covenant VR game comes out...
http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-covenant-virtual-reality-experience-the-works
At CES HTC have also announced wireless connector/battery pack as well as a deluxe headband with headphones built in.
They also announced tracking pucks that can be attached to anything. VR gloves as well but I don't see me using that for many games, maybe job simulator.
Can't wait for the proper room VR. They have to add full locomotion now, surely? :D
....and fallout 4....
At CES HTC have also announced wireless connector/battery pack as well as a deluxe headband with headphones built in.
They also announced tracking pucks that can be attached to anything. VR gloves as well but I don't see me using that for many games, maybe job simulator.
Can't wait for the proper room VR. They have to add full locomotion now, surely? :D
I wasnt expecting much, got pretty much nothing. I mean for them its a good move to expand out of pc gaming, although Im pretty much feed up with their ridiculously overpriced products.
On the other hand I've checked theirs streaming service and hell it states that it requires a wireless router thats NVIDIA Shield READY... thats nvidia in a nutshell, I'm glad I dont have to wear a sticker at my forehead to be able to use nvidia card...
I wasnt expecting much, got pretty much nothing. I mean for them its a good move to expand out of pc gaming, although Im pretty much feed up with their ridiculously overpriced products.
On the other hand I've checked theirs streaming service and hell it states that it requires a wireless router thats NVIDIA Shield READY... thats nvidia in a nutshell, I'm glad I dont have to wear a sticker at my forehead to be able to use nvidia card...
So what WAS the big news??
Was it that On-Live-like system they are setting up? http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-new-geforce-now-service-will-turn-any-pc-into-an-on-demand-gaming-machine/
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.
Who knows what the big news is? Big news for who exactly? Gamers? Investors?
Nvidia have their finger so far off the pulse when it comes to their gaming market.
While they focus on AI and selfdriving cars, AMD are catching up.
I'm not being funny, maybe it's different in America, but I would never have a self driving car.
I love driving, I wouldn't say it's as big a passion than it used to be, but I never want a computer driving my car.
Did you see the statistics, 37,000 people die on US roads per year, they said if they reduce it by half with autonomous cars is that acceptable?!?!
So basically, i have a big problem with this, because the answer is, no, it's not alright.
Some, not all, people have car crashes because they are shit drivers.
If autonomous cars halves the death rate it's basically making your car journey an autonomous lottery for death.
You let the car drive but 18,500 are going to be lost, per year, to 'collateral damage'.
It's about control and humans are control freaks.
Have these car companies making autonomous cars actually done market research to find out if people want these things in the first place?
Everyone I know said they would never let a car drive for them unless they were blind drunk.
Same logic with the shield.
Nvidia should be looking at creating gaming products their gaming customers want. Why aren't they making a glasses free 3D monitor. Now that would be cool, like the 3DS where there is only one angle you can look at it from. That would be awesome to see.
Instead we get shield 2. Why would anyone with a pc want a shield 2? Seriously!
Streaming to another room? the shield costs £200 ffs.
Who wants microphones in every room. Surely it would be easier just to buy a smart watch?!?
I think the problem is with nvidia, is that they've taken a leaf out of Steve jobs book. 'The customers don't know what they want until you've made it for them.' It's true if you presume right, like Apple did.
They are coming up with solutions to problems that don't exist. Like most of CES.
AI is worrying for obvious reasons.
Who knows what the big news is? Big news for who exactly? Gamers? Investors?
Nvidia have their finger so far off the pulse when it comes to their gaming market.
While they focus on AI and selfdriving cars, AMD are catching up.
I'm not being funny, maybe it's different in America, but I would never have a self driving car.
I love driving, I wouldn't say it's as big a passion than it used to be, but I never want a computer driving my car.
Did you see the statistics, 37,000 people die on US roads per year, they said if they reduce it by half with autonomous cars is that acceptable?!?!
So basically, i have a big problem with this, because the answer is, no, it's not alright.
Some, not all, people have car crashes because they are shit drivers.
If autonomous cars halves the death rate it's basically making your car journey an autonomous lottery for death.
You let the car drive but 18,500 are going to be lost, per year, to 'collateral damage'.
It's about control and humans are control freaks.
Have these car companies making autonomous cars actually done market research to find out if people want these things in the first place?
Everyone I know said they would never let a car drive for them unless they were blind drunk.
Same logic with the shield.
Nvidia should be looking at creating gaming products their gaming customers want. Why aren't they making a glasses free 3D monitor. Now that would be cool, like the 3DS where there is only one angle you can look at it from. That would be awesome to see.
Instead we get shield 2. Why would anyone with a pc want a shield 2? Seriously!
Streaming to another room? the shield costs £200 ffs.
Who wants microphones in every room. Surely it would be easier just to buy a smart watch?!?
I think the problem is with nvidia, is that they've taken a leaf out of Steve jobs book. 'The customers don't know what they want until you've made it for them.' It's true if you presume right, like Apple did.
They are coming up with solutions to problems that don't exist. Like most of CES.
^^^^ Well, um.... not sure why you brought self-driving cars into the fray, but heck, I agree with you... I'd rather take my chances with my own skills.
I agree with you about Nvidia's product strategy as well. Other than GPU's, I can't think of a single product they have released in the last 5 years that made me go "I want that!"
^^^^ Well, um.... not sure why you brought self-driving cars into the fray, but heck, I agree with you... I'd rather take my chances with my own skills.
I agree with you about Nvidia's product strategy as well. Other than GPU's, I can't think of a single product they have released in the last 5 years that made me go "I want that!"
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I brought self driving cars up as it's nvidia providing the 'brains' behind it all.
Most of their speech at CES was getting the Audi CEO up to talk about autonomous cars.
Jenson then went on to show off the brain of the self driving cars using Volta cores.
Audi get Volta cores in their car whilst gamers have to wait it out for AMD to show their hand before we get to see them?
They are chicken feeding their customers with overpriced cards and lack lustre performance.
Even the Titan X isn't the full fat Pascal chip.
Quadro and AMD get HBM memory whilst nvidia a loyal customers get gddr5X (maybe just gddr5 in the 1080ti if the rumours are true)
We're still waiting for a ti whilst audi get Volta? That doesn't ring true with me.
Nvidia need to remember who put them on the map and where their bread and butter is. They are too busy chasing rainbows whilst shitting on their 'superfans' as they like to describe them.
If AMD do offer a competitive product I think nvidia will be shocked at the number of 'loyal customers' jumping ship.
I brought self driving cars up as it's nvidia providing the 'brains' behind it all.
Most of their speech at CES was getting the Audi CEO up to talk about autonomous cars.
Jenson then went on to show off the brain of the self driving cars using Volta cores.
Audi get Volta cores in their car whilst gamers have to wait it out for AMD to show their hand before we get to see them?
They are chicken feeding their customers with overpriced cards and lack lustre performance.
Even the Titan X isn't the full fat Pascal chip.
Quadro and AMD get HBM memory whilst nvidia a loyal customers get gddr5X (maybe just gddr5 in the 1080ti if the rumours are true)
We're still waiting for a ti whilst audi get Volta? That doesn't ring true with me.
Nvidia need to remember who put them on the map and where their bread and butter is. They are too busy chasing rainbows whilst shitting on their 'superfans' as they like to describe them.
If AMD do offer a competitive product I think nvidia will be shocked at the number of 'loyal customers' jumping ship.
The NVidia video cards are not overpriced and the stock in 2 year period is 6 times the value.
and again the new AMD card according to Guru 3D is equal to 1080 GTX seven months later.
quote for Guru 3D
That roughly is indicative for the performance of a GeForce GTX 1080.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/editorial-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-preview,3.html
I would be happier if NVidia would support 3D more but I have to say every driver has a new version of 3D Vision and CM profiles are supported.
Just remember you are not going to be playing Watch Dogs 2 in 3D and all the others fixies on the Helix Blog with AMD.
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If you think AMD has all the answer's and there video cards are so great just jump ship.
I don't know what country you live in Zig, but in the UK the prices of the top dog cards have sky rocketed over the years.
That's even if you don't take into consideration that these 780ti/980ti/etc are what the standard 780 980's should have been or the prices are even higher!
I did some digging. The price hikes and Titan/TI methods of attempting to camouflage ridiculous price leaps that other wise the consumer wouldn't stand for are also shown.
These are UK prices.....
8800gtx £475
9800GTX £210
280 gtx £450
480gtx £450
580 GTX £399
680 GTX £430
780 GTX £549 780ti £560
980 GTX £430 980ti £560
1080 GTX £650
If Nvidia were proactive in keeping its promises to customers buy oing things like taking the 3D TV Play resolution cap off,then I might still have an incentive to stay with NVidia.
Playing 720p 3D on a 4K screen is quite frankly shit.
Nvidia employess on this very forum, promised they would remove the 3DTV Play resolution cap when it was required. They charged us all for this 'extra support' and they've done fuck all about it.
HDMI 2.1 has been announced now toting 4k 120hz and 8k 60hz support. Are we still going to play our 3D games in 720p on those screens too?
How about the 3 core limit with NVidia 3D. AMD release Ryzen with loads of cpu cores, consoles have loads of cores. It doesn't take a genius to work out where i'm going with this.
Nvidia are milking this lead over AMD for all they are worth. Prices going up, No support.
I've had my fun with 3D. It's VR all the way for me.
I don't know what country you live in Zig, but in the UK the prices of the top dog cards have sky rocketed over the years.
That's even if you don't take into consideration that these 780ti/980ti/etc are what the standard 780 980's should have been or the prices are even higher!
I did some digging. The price hikes and Titan/TI methods of attempting to camouflage ridiculous price leaps that other wise the consumer wouldn't stand for are also shown.
These are UK prices.....
If Nvidia were proactive in keeping its promises to customers buy oing things like taking the 3D TV Play resolution cap off,then I might still have an incentive to stay with NVidia.
Playing 720p 3D on a 4K screen is quite frankly shit.
Nvidia employess on this very forum, promised they would remove the 3DTV Play resolution cap when it was required. They charged us all for this 'extra support' and they've done fuck all about it.
HDMI 2.1 has been announced now toting 4k 120hz and 8k 60hz support. Are we still going to play our 3D games in 720p on those screens too?
How about the 3 core limit with NVidia 3D. AMD release Ryzen with loads of cpu cores, consoles have loads of cores. It doesn't take a genius to work out where i'm going with this.
Nvidia are milking this lead over AMD for all they are worth. Prices going up, No support.
I've had my fun with 3D. It's VR all the way for me.
I'm in the US and I paid $799 for 780Ti EVGA classified edition
I purchase a Gigabyte Extreme Gaming 1080 GTX with front panel for 2 extra HDMI ports and USB 3.0 ports for $650.00
I purchase TNT 2 with 64 MB of memory for $499.00 so I don't think in the US the NVidia Prices are not off in matter of fact you get more bang for the buck now.
Could you provide a link for NVidia 3DTV Play resolution cap .
Regardless no body is making 3D TV's or 3D Vision monitors any more why is NVidia going to waste resources to develop 4K 3D.
I would like to see NVidia do something but there are work around EDIDs which work just fine. As much as I love 3D I have to say NVidia policy is to make money and stock proves there are making the right choices.
Anything AMD makes doesn't work with NVidia and if you want a project tried to get SLI and 3D working on AMD motherboard.
Tridef also has the same problem 3 core limit and it's worst then NVidia.
To be honest I'm not happy with the direction of 3D but I can not blame NVidia for it.
I'm in the US and I paid $799 for 780Ti EVGA classified edition
I purchase a Gigabyte Extreme Gaming 1080 GTX with front panel for 2 extra HDMI ports and USB 3.0 ports for $650.00
I purchase TNT 2 with 64 MB of memory for $499.00 so I don't think in the US the NVidia Prices are not off in matter of fact you get more bang for the buck now.
Could you provide a link for NVidia 3DTV Play resolution cap .
Regardless no body is making 3D TV's or 3D Vision monitors any more why is NVidia going to waste resources to develop 4K 3D.
I would like to see NVidia do something but there are work around EDIDs which work just fine. As much as I love 3D I have to say NVidia policy is to make money and stock proves there are making the right choices.
Anything AMD makes doesn't work with NVidia and if you want a project tried to get SLI and 3D working on AMD motherboard.
Tridef also has the same problem 3 core limit and it's worst then NVidia.
To be honest I'm not happy with the direction of 3D but I can not blame NVidia for it.
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CES isn't just about computer games Gibson, 'something big' can mean many things to different people.
If Nvidia want to go and pursue driverless cars, then fair play. They have the capital and the expertise and can afford to diversify because the main competition (AMD) is poor and always lagging behind.
FWIW, I think driverless cars are inevitable and I look forward to it. They will make the roads safer and free drivers up to work, read books, watch films etc. It will take time but start on the motorways and dual carriageways or areas with no pedestrians, whatever. Most accidents these days are generically attributed to 'driver error'. With driverless cars they will scrutinise every single piece of data in every collision and the number of accidents will go down.
As to their GPUs, well Nvidia price their cards to whatever the market will pay and they do get more powerful and power efficient every year, so they have every right to and they do what they need to do to keep their investors happy.
HBM etc. takes time, all new technology takes time to displace early tech. The cost to transition production is huge, that's why we have the 'early adopter tax'.
I wish Nvidia would release a card tomorrow that was twice and powerful and half the cost. Well, they probably could, but they definitely won't. They have investors, a business plan and a roadmap.
It's working and they are definitely listening to the parts of the market where the money is, as their share price proves.
What we need is better competition.
CES isn't just about computer games Gibson, 'something big' can mean many things to different people.
If Nvidia want to go and pursue driverless cars, then fair play. They have the capital and the expertise and can afford to diversify because the main competition (AMD) is poor and always lagging behind.
FWIW, I think driverless cars are inevitable and I look forward to it. They will make the roads safer and free drivers up to work, read books, watch films etc. It will take time but start on the motorways and dual carriageways or areas with no pedestrians, whatever. Most accidents these days are generically attributed to 'driver error'. With driverless cars they will scrutinise every single piece of data in every collision and the number of accidents will go down.
As to their GPUs, well Nvidia price their cards to whatever the market will pay and they do get more powerful and power efficient every year, so they have every right to and they do what they need to do to keep their investors happy.
HBM etc. takes time, all new technology takes time to displace early tech. The cost to transition production is huge, that's why we have the 'early adopter tax'.
I wish Nvidia would release a card tomorrow that was twice and powerful and half the cost. Well, they probably could, but they definitely won't. They have investors, a business plan and a roadmap.
It's working and they are definitely listening to the parts of the market where the money is, as their share price proves.
What we need is better competition.
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These are UK prices.....
8800gtx £475
9800GTX £210
280 gtx £450
480gtx £450
580 GTX £399
680 GTX £430
780 GTX £549 780ti £560
980 GTX £430 980ti £560
1080 GTX £650
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Now, post the prices, inflation adjusted. If you are comparing with the past, you [i]must [/i]use a proper metric.
Your view is superficial. I will give you an example.
I never got car sickness, boat sickness, height sickness or any other type of sickness; with thousands of hours gaming on different type of divices: Red Cyan, Frame sequential on CRT, Vuzix VR920, HD 3dTV, 4k 3dTV, 3D Projector with 0 motion sickness.
If I get motion sickness in VR it means that probably is something wrong with the technology. I tried to train myself to stand it but it was to much.
The majority of people I know get a bit of dizziness after watching a 3d movie. What should I expect them to feel after playing doom in VR for example?
If you start counting the people that can stand the Doom kind of movement in VR the market gets very very small.
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And again, sitting down is highly recommended i think it really helps the brain to understand that you are doing 2 separate things, when you stand up and walk (in game) its gets confusing = you get motion sick.
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You don't use a 360 pad or keyboard.
You stand and your left motion controller is the torch and the right motion controller is your gun.
Your left motion controller track pad is forwards/backwards/strafe left/strafe right.
It's the turning with the a mouse or 360 controller that makes you feel ill in FPS games.
It's so good. Just try it, if it makes you sick then you are missing out but if it doesn't then you are in for one of the best gaming experiences you have ever had! (IMO)
What got me motion sick one time was using the gamepad to turn around. It's the constant smooth motion that does it. Your eyes say your body is turning, your other senses say you are not hence the sickness.
If one can't stand the heat, one stays out of the kitchen. One does not go around telling everyone how bad kitchens are and how we should eat food uncooked ;-)
It's such a shame that developers have taken out mouse/keyboard movement from a lot of VR games.
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I hope they do it for alien isolation too. Before the alien covenant VR game comes out...
http://www.alien-covenant.com/news/alien-covenant-virtual-reality-experience-the-works
At CES HTC have also announced wireless connector/battery pack as well as a deluxe headband with headphones built in.
They also announced tracking pucks that can be attached to anything. VR gloves as well but I don't see me using that for many games, maybe job simulator.
Can't wait for the proper room VR. They have to add full locomotion now, surely? :D
....and fallout 4....
On the other hand I've checked theirs streaming service and hell it states that it requires a wireless router thats NVIDIA Shield READY... thats nvidia in a nutshell, I'm glad I dont have to wear a sticker at my forehead to be able to use nvidia card...
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Was it that On-Live-like system they are setting up? http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-new-geforce-now-service-will-turn-any-pc-into-an-on-demand-gaming-machine/
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Nvidia have their finger so far off the pulse when it comes to their gaming market.
While they focus on AI and selfdriving cars, AMD are catching up.
I'm not being funny, maybe it's different in America, but I would never have a self driving car.
I love driving, I wouldn't say it's as big a passion than it used to be, but I never want a computer driving my car.
Did you see the statistics, 37,000 people die on US roads per year, they said if they reduce it by half with autonomous cars is that acceptable?!?!
So basically, i have a big problem with this, because the answer is, no, it's not alright.
Some, not all, people have car crashes because they are shit drivers.
If autonomous cars halves the death rate it's basically making your car journey an autonomous lottery for death.
You let the car drive but 18,500 are going to be lost, per year, to 'collateral damage'.
It's about control and humans are control freaks.
Have these car companies making autonomous cars actually done market research to find out if people want these things in the first place?
Everyone I know said they would never let a car drive for them unless they were blind drunk.
Same logic with the shield.
Nvidia should be looking at creating gaming products their gaming customers want. Why aren't they making a glasses free 3D monitor. Now that would be cool, like the 3DS where there is only one angle you can look at it from. That would be awesome to see.
Instead we get shield 2. Why would anyone with a pc want a shield 2? Seriously!
Streaming to another room? the shield costs £200 ffs.
Who wants microphones in every room. Surely it would be easier just to buy a smart watch?!?
I think the problem is with nvidia, is that they've taken a leaf out of Steve jobs book. 'The customers don't know what they want until you've made it for them.' It's true if you presume right, like Apple did.
They are coming up with solutions to problems that don't exist. Like most of CES.
AI is worrying for obvious reasons.
I agree with you about Nvidia's product strategy as well. Other than GPU's, I can't think of a single product they have released in the last 5 years that made me go "I want that!"
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Most of their speech at CES was getting the Audi CEO up to talk about autonomous cars.
Jenson then went on to show off the brain of the self driving cars using Volta cores.
Audi get Volta cores in their car whilst gamers have to wait it out for AMD to show their hand before we get to see them?
They are chicken feeding their customers with overpriced cards and lack lustre performance.
Even the Titan X isn't the full fat Pascal chip.
Quadro and AMD get HBM memory whilst nvidia a loyal customers get gddr5X (maybe just gddr5 in the 1080ti if the rumours are true)
We're still waiting for a ti whilst audi get Volta? That doesn't ring true with me.
Nvidia need to remember who put them on the map and where their bread and butter is. They are too busy chasing rainbows whilst shitting on their 'superfans' as they like to describe them.
If AMD do offer a competitive product I think nvidia will be shocked at the number of 'loyal customers' jumping ship.
and again the new AMD card according to Guru 3D is equal to 1080 GTX seven months later.
quote for Guru 3D
That roughly is indicative for the performance of a GeForce GTX 1080.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/editorial-amd-vega-gpu-architecture-preview,3.html
I would be happier if NVidia would support 3D more but I have to say every driver has a new version of 3D Vision and CM profiles are supported.
Just remember you are not going to be playing Watch Dogs 2 in 3D and all the others fixies on the Helix Blog with AMD.
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If you think AMD has all the answer's and there video cards are so great just jump ship.
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That's even if you don't take into consideration that these 780ti/980ti/etc are what the standard 780 980's should have been or the prices are even higher!
I did some digging. The price hikes and Titan/TI methods of attempting to camouflage ridiculous price leaps that other wise the consumer wouldn't stand for are also shown.
These are UK prices.....
8800gtx £475
9800GTX £210
280 gtx £450
480gtx £450
580 GTX £399
680 GTX £430
780 GTX £549 780ti £560
980 GTX £430 980ti £560
1080 GTX £650
If Nvidia were proactive in keeping its promises to customers buy oing things like taking the 3D TV Play resolution cap off,then I might still have an incentive to stay with NVidia.
Playing 720p 3D on a 4K screen is quite frankly shit.
Nvidia employess on this very forum, promised they would remove the 3DTV Play resolution cap when it was required. They charged us all for this 'extra support' and they've done fuck all about it.
HDMI 2.1 has been announced now toting 4k 120hz and 8k 60hz support. Are we still going to play our 3D games in 720p on those screens too?
How about the 3 core limit with NVidia 3D. AMD release Ryzen with loads of cpu cores, consoles have loads of cores. It doesn't take a genius to work out where i'm going with this.
Nvidia are milking this lead over AMD for all they are worth. Prices going up, No support.
I've had my fun with 3D. It's VR all the way for me.
I purchase a Gigabyte Extreme Gaming 1080 GTX with front panel for 2 extra HDMI ports and USB 3.0 ports for $650.00
I purchase TNT 2 with 64 MB of memory for $499.00 so I don't think in the US the NVidia Prices are not off in matter of fact you get more bang for the buck now.
Could you provide a link for NVidia 3DTV Play resolution cap .
Regardless no body is making 3D TV's or 3D Vision monitors any more why is NVidia going to waste resources to develop 4K 3D.
I would like to see NVidia do something but there are work around EDIDs which work just fine. As much as I love 3D I have to say NVidia policy is to make money and stock proves there are making the right choices.
Anything AMD makes doesn't work with NVidia and if you want a project tried to get SLI and 3D working on AMD motherboard.
Tridef also has the same problem 3 core limit and it's worst then NVidia.
To be honest I'm not happy with the direction of 3D but I can not blame NVidia for it.
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If Nvidia want to go and pursue driverless cars, then fair play. They have the capital and the expertise and can afford to diversify because the main competition (AMD) is poor and always lagging behind.
FWIW, I think driverless cars are inevitable and I look forward to it. They will make the roads safer and free drivers up to work, read books, watch films etc. It will take time but start on the motorways and dual carriageways or areas with no pedestrians, whatever. Most accidents these days are generically attributed to 'driver error'. With driverless cars they will scrutinise every single piece of data in every collision and the number of accidents will go down.
As to their GPUs, well Nvidia price their cards to whatever the market will pay and they do get more powerful and power efficient every year, so they have every right to and they do what they need to do to keep their investors happy.
HBM etc. takes time, all new technology takes time to displace early tech. The cost to transition production is huge, that's why we have the 'early adopter tax'.
I wish Nvidia would release a card tomorrow that was twice and powerful and half the cost. Well, they probably could, but they definitely won't. They have investors, a business plan and a roadmap.
It's working and they are definitely listening to the parts of the market where the money is, as their share price proves.
What we need is better competition.
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