970M with 3D Vision Kit version 1
Hi i just bought a MSi GE62 Apache 276 notebook (Windows 10) with a Nvidia GeForce GTX 970m GPU. i found Helifax's tutorial (https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/571045/?comment=3883815) but it's not working out for me :-/ and i would appreciate help. i'm borrowing my buddy's SyncMaster 2233RZ 3D monitor and Nvidia 3D Kit version 1 (glasses, emitter). i purchased the Accell B087B003J miniDP to DVI Dual-Link Adapter. i installed Nvidia GeForce Experience and the latest driver (355.98). i went to install the Nvidia 3D Vision Driver but it said "Starting with Release 270, all GeForce GPU driver packages will now include all drivers necessary to run 3D Vision. These are drivers with version 270.xx and higher. As a result, NVIDIA is no longer providing separate 3D Vision CD Kits." i hooked up the adapter to my notebook and the 3D monitor, rebooted my notebook, opened the Nvidia Control Panel | Set PhysX Configuration, and it shows the miniDP port connected to my Intel HD Graphics 5600 card. i selected the GPU from the Select a PhysX Processor drop-down, applied, rebooted, and is still showing the miniDP port connected to the 3D monitor via the Intel card. i setup the GPU via Nvidia Control Panel to push 120Hz, went to http://photos.3dvisionlive.com/NVIDIA/image/55312a81e7e56466710000ba/ via Firefox 40.0.3 and selected on 3D Vision to try and view something in 3D but it says "Your setup needs updating.You may be missing, or have improperly installed, one or more of the required 3D Vision components. Please check the System Requirements page for more details. - See more at: http://photos.3dvisionlive.com/NVIDIA/image/55312a81e7e56466710000ba/#sthash.wX1kRPBY.dpuf". when i select on System Requirements it takes me to https://www.3dvisionlive.com/requirements. i see nothing useful here. Please Help! i have my buddy's 3D equipment for a very limited time. Thanks Scott
Hi
i just bought a MSi GE62 Apache 276 notebook (Windows 10) with a Nvidia GeForce GTX 970m GPU. i found Helifax's tutorial (https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/571045/?comment=3883815) but it's not working out for me :-/ and i would appreciate help.

i'm borrowing my buddy's SyncMaster 2233RZ 3D monitor and Nvidia 3D Kit version 1 (glasses, emitter).
i purchased the Accell B087B003J miniDP to DVI Dual-Link Adapter.

i installed Nvidia GeForce Experience and the latest driver (355.98). i went to install the Nvidia 3D Vision Driver but it said "Starting with Release 270, all GeForce GPU driver packages will now include all drivers necessary to run 3D Vision. These are drivers with version 270.xx and higher. As a result, NVIDIA is no longer providing separate 3D Vision CD Kits."

i hooked up the adapter to my notebook and the 3D monitor, rebooted my notebook, opened the Nvidia Control Panel | Set PhysX Configuration, and it shows the miniDP port connected to my Intel HD Graphics 5600 card. i selected the GPU from the Select a PhysX Processor drop-down, applied, rebooted, and is still showing the miniDP port connected to the 3D monitor via the Intel card.

i setup the GPU via Nvidia Control Panel to push 120Hz, went to http://photos.3dvisionlive.com/NVIDIA/image/55312a81e7e56466710000ba/ via Firefox 40.0.3 and selected on 3D Vision to try and view something in 3D but it says "Your setup needs updating.You may be missing, or have improperly installed, one or more of the required 3D Vision components. Please check the System Requirements page for more details. - See more at: http://photos.3dvisionlive.com/NVIDIA/image/55312a81e7e56466710000ba/#sthash.wX1kRPBY.dpuf". when i select on System Requirements it takes me to https://www.3dvisionlive.com/requirements. i see nothing useful here.

Please Help! i have my buddy's 3D equipment for a very limited time.
Thanks
Scott

#1
Posted 10/06/2015 03:49 AM   
Unfortunately, you clearly overlooked the part where helifax said [color="orange"]"- If you plan to hook a 3D monitor to your laptop first of all we need to be sure that you have a (mini) Display Port that is actually HOOKED with your nVidia GPU and not the Intel one."[/color] If you have a VGA connection or HDMI that is directly off of the 970m, you might consider a projector or a 3D HDTV.
Unfortunately, you clearly overlooked the part where helifax said

"- If you plan to hook a 3D monitor to your laptop first of all we need to be sure that you have a (mini) Display Port that is actually HOOKED with your nVidia GPU and not the Intel one."


If you have a VGA connection or HDMI that is directly off of the 970m, you might consider a projector or a 3D HDTV.

#2
Posted 10/06/2015 04:23 AM   
Yes, unfortunately that laptop looks like it has the sucktastic Optimus technology which ruins it for 3D. http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE62-Notebook-Review.137007.0.html If you can't get a direct output from the GPU, 3D cannot be enabled.
Yes, unfortunately that laptop looks like it has the sucktastic Optimus technology which ruins it for 3D.


http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE62-Notebook-Review.137007.0.html


If you can't get a direct output from the GPU, 3D cannot be enabled.

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#3
Posted 10/06/2015 06:44 AM   
Yeah, If is hooked to the intel one in the PhysX page, unfortunately there is nothing you can do:( The nvidia GPU is not aware that it has 3D Capabilities since they are connected to the Intel one and it (the Intel) acts as a gateway for the nVidia GPU. Some laptops have the ability to disable OPTIMUS from Bios! Look if you can do this! If you can and you are connected directly on the nvidia GPU then you are ready to go! Sorry about this:( I know it kinda sucks...
Yeah,

If is hooked to the intel one in the PhysX page, unfortunately there is nothing you can do:( The nvidia GPU is not aware that it has 3D Capabilities since they are connected to the Intel one and it (the Intel) acts as a gateway for the nVidia GPU.

Some laptops have the ability to disable OPTIMUS from Bios! Look if you can do this! If you can and you are connected directly on the nvidia GPU then you are ready to go!
Sorry about this:( I know it kinda sucks...

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

#4
Posted 10/06/2015 08:57 AM   
Hi All Thanks for the quick responses! Perhaps I mis-understood... but I did not overlook. I was attempting to determine if the port was connected to the GPU via PhysX and when it was remaining connected to the Intel I was hopeful that I was doing something wrong; hence, the request for help. I read the 'notebookcheck' review previously but I didn't see anything about 3D vision or Intel / GPU connection to ports (just 3D benchmarks) and it was outdated (referred to earlier versions of HW components). OK, so does Optimus technology = no 3D vision, always? I got the impression that it could be 'tricked' using Helifax's tutorial if the port was directly connected to GPU, even with Optimus installed and enabled? I'll look into the 'disable Optimus from BIOS' work-around. If the BIOS doesn't provide this option, 1 person (from the site below) stated that Optimus is integrated into Windows so the individual re-installed Windows and claims his "frame rate on Just Cause 2 went from 7fps to a perfect 60fps", which leads me to believe it disabled Optimus??? [url]http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/368288-33-disable-nvidia-optimus-nvidia-card[/url] Thanks, All. Scott
Hi All
Thanks for the quick responses!

Perhaps I mis-understood... but I did not overlook. I was attempting to determine if the port was connected to the GPU via PhysX and when it was remaining connected to the Intel I was hopeful that I was doing something wrong; hence, the request for help.

I read the 'notebookcheck' review previously but I didn't see anything about 3D vision or Intel / GPU connection to ports (just 3D benchmarks) and it was outdated (referred to earlier versions of HW components).

OK, so does Optimus technology = no 3D vision, always? I got the impression that it could be 'tricked' using Helifax's tutorial if the port was directly connected to GPU, even with Optimus installed and enabled?

I'll look into the 'disable Optimus from BIOS' work-around. If the BIOS doesn't provide this option, 1 person (from the site below) stated that Optimus is integrated into Windows so the individual re-installed Windows and claims his "frame rate on Just Cause 2 went from 7fps to a perfect 60fps", which leads me to believe it disabled Optimus???
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/368288-33-disable-nvidia-optimus-nvidia-card

Thanks, All.
Scott

#5
Posted 10/06/2015 09:14 PM   
In order to use 3D Vision, 3D Vision Discover, 3DTV Play or Optomized for Nvidia GeForce on a laptop with Optimus technology, the video output for the external display "must" be directly connected to the Nvidia GPU.
In order to use 3D Vision, 3D Vision Discover, 3DTV Play or Optomized for Nvidia GeForce on a laptop with Optimus technology, the video output for the external display "must" be directly connected to the Nvidia GPU.

#6
Posted 10/07/2015 03:51 AM   
Roger that. OK, no option in BIOS and the display ports are miniDP and HDMI so the MSi GE62 cannot use 3D Vision. Thanks, Scott
Roger that. OK, no option in BIOS and the display ports are miniDP and HDMI so the MSi GE62 cannot use 3D Vision. Thanks, Scott

#7
Posted 10/07/2015 04:32 AM   
I just hit the same issue. I hope everyone understands that it is becouse nvidia DOES NOT WANT to implement this feature for laptops where image is rendered to the intel's buffor. there is not technical limitation which would prohibit this. so nvidia THANKS again.
I just hit the same issue. I hope everyone understands that it is becouse nvidia DOES NOT WANT to implement this feature for laptops where image is rendered to the intel's buffor. there is not technical limitation which would prohibit this. so nvidia THANKS again.

#8
Posted 03/21/2017 10:53 PM   
umm no....just no.... Blame the laptop manufacturer
umm no....just no....

Blame the laptop manufacturer

#9
Posted 03/21/2017 11:43 PM   
"umm no.. just no.." might work for childer in kindergarden you know, maybe it works for you. but then oh well. why the hell should I blame laptop manufacturer and not NVIDIA? explain please? WHERE THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE THE ADMIRATION ARISE There is no reason for nvidia not to support the scenario where HDMI is connected to intel graphics and if the reason is more diffucilt approximation of delays then let me use 3d vision without that funny dongle alltogether with my dlp-link projector alone.then I would get even much better results as a dlp-link projectof synchronizes with dlp-link glasses much better than your funny 'vision kit' (there's no delay for a sync signal to reach the funny transmitter through usb - the main reason for developing so called profiles for each 'vision enabled' device). or let me set delays manually. there's no resaon at all not to support direct hdmi connection to intel gpu. all that is needed is 120h refresh rate. and if one got time to play with IDA Pro enough he could use it at 60hz;] as again... there is no reasoon why it wouldn't work at 60hz NVIDIA please start listening to your customers. there are basic features requsted by community which haven't been implemented for YEARS... such as nearest neighboor interpolation. required for playing on 4K screen almost with any laptop without the blurry side-effects.
"umm no.. just no.." might work for childer in kindergarden you know, maybe it works for you. but then oh well.

why the hell should I blame laptop manufacturer and not NVIDIA? explain please?

WHERE THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE THE ADMIRATION ARISE

There is no reason for nvidia not to support the scenario where HDMI is connected to intel graphics

and if the reason is more diffucilt approximation of delays then let me use 3d vision without that funny dongle alltogether with my dlp-link projector alone.then I would get even much better results as a dlp-link projectof synchronizes with dlp-link glasses much better than your funny 'vision kit' (there's no delay for a sync signal to reach the funny transmitter through usb - the main reason for developing so called profiles for each 'vision enabled' device). or let me set delays manually. there's no resaon at all not to support direct hdmi connection to intel gpu. all that is needed is 120h refresh rate. and if one got time to play with IDA Pro enough he could use it at 60hz;] as again... there is no reasoon why it wouldn't work at 60hz


NVIDIA please start listening to your customers. there are basic features requsted by community which haven't been implemented for YEARS... such as nearest neighboor interpolation. required for playing on 4K screen almost with any laptop without the blurry side-effects.

#10
Posted 03/22/2017 01:01 AM   
The Laptop Manufacturer decides what ports go "where". Nvidia provides the GPU chip but not the laptop "main-board"... sadly:( Some manufactures decide to go "cheap" to cut out building costs and route everything thorough the CPU (So they can use the same board with just "slapping another GPU" on the same board). We are talking embedded stuff here which is DIFFERENT from normal PCs... So, no, Nvidia is not at fault, but the MFG of the laptop :(
The Laptop Manufacturer decides what ports go "where".

Nvidia provides the GPU chip but not the laptop "main-board"... sadly:(
Some manufactures decide to go "cheap" to cut out building costs and route everything thorough the CPU (So they can use the same board with just "slapping another GPU" on the same board).

We are talking embedded stuff here which is DIFFERENT from normal PCs... So, no, Nvidia is not at fault, but the MFG of the laptop :(

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

#11
Posted 03/22/2017 01:58 AM   
[quote="vega4"]"umm no.. just no.." might work for childer in kindergarden you know, maybe it works for you. but then oh well. why the hell should I blame laptop manufacturer and not NVIDIA? explain please? WHERE THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE THE ADMIRATION ARISE There is no reason for nvidia not to support the scenario where HDMI is connected to intel graphics and if the reason is more diffucilt approximation of delays then let me use 3d vision without that funny dongle alltogether with my dlp-link projector alone.then I would get even much better results as a dlp-link projectof synchronizes with dlp-link glasses much better than your funny 'vision kit' (there's no delay for a sync signal to reach the funny transmitter through usb - the main reason for developing so called profiles for each 'vision enabled' device). or let me set delays manually. there's no resaon at all not to support direct hdmi connection to intel gpu. all that is needed is 120h refresh rate. and if one got time to play with IDA Pro enough he could use it at 60hz;] as again... there is no reasoon why it wouldn't work at 60hz NVIDIA please start listening to your customers. there are basic features requsted by community which haven't been implemented for YEARS... such as nearest neighboor interpolation. required for playing on 4K screen almost with any laptop without the blurry side-effects.[/quote] lol, explain what, seems like you had it all figured out when you made your rant. yah, definitely Nvidia's fault just ask any Kindergarden student
vega4 said:"umm no.. just no.." might work for childer in kindergarden you know, maybe it works for you. but then oh well.

why the hell should I blame laptop manufacturer and not NVIDIA? explain please?

WHERE THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE THE ADMIRATION ARISE

There is no reason for nvidia not to support the scenario where HDMI is connected to intel graphics

and if the reason is more diffucilt approximation of delays then let me use 3d vision without that funny dongle alltogether with my dlp-link projector alone.then I would get even much better results as a dlp-link projectof synchronizes with dlp-link glasses much better than your funny 'vision kit' (there's no delay for a sync signal to reach the funny transmitter through usb - the main reason for developing so called profiles for each 'vision enabled' device). or let me set delays manually. there's no resaon at all not to support direct hdmi connection to intel gpu. all that is needed is 120h refresh rate. and if one got time to play with IDA Pro enough he could use it at 60hz;] as again... there is no reasoon why it wouldn't work at 60hz


NVIDIA please start listening to your customers. there are basic features requsted by community which haven't been implemented for YEARS... such as nearest neighboor interpolation. required for playing on 4K screen almost with any laptop without the blurry side-effects.


lol, explain what, seems like you had it all figured out when you made your rant. yah, definitely Nvidia's fault

just ask any Kindergarden student

#12
Posted 03/22/2017 02:23 AM   
I understand that some companies try to go cheap, but what you call cheap is rather making a rational decision. I mean even I see no point in providing duplicate connections to an HDMI port besides potential problems. but the reason why 3D Vision won't work with Intel GPU as a middle man is a purely SOFTWARE ONE. not a hadware one. they could make it work through iGPU with one software update. they could even make it work through 5 internal GPUs and a RAM buffor on the main board if they wanted;P why not? is there anything stopping them doing so? I wouldn't call a laptop an embedded system. raspberry pi MAYBE, but still it would be a far-fetched comment. hardware decisions are much more important than software ones. If NVIDIA could make their thechnology work through a middle-gpu oh well.. then they should;- they've got clients waiting. as I guess the signal is routed through iGPU on most if not many many laptops using iGPU as a fallback one. I have just checked ASUS and MSI in my house. and these are the highest-end laptops not some cheap stuff so once again; it is NVIDIA's fault as long as we consider the fact that they COULD make it work with a software update. well.. as well as they could allow for 3D vision without any funny dongles attached and as well as they could implement the nearest neighboor interpolation for upscalling, which is a peace of cake to do. but guess what? then nonone would have noticed a difference when playing 720p vs 4k native on a 4k 15inch laptop screen; another reason not to buy the latest hottest gpu I'll tell you what you need to make 3D work ussing the Frame Sequence technology 1) shutter glasses 2) some sort of signal to sync the shuttering with freames ie. IR beam 3) video stream at a high enough freqency.. oh well lets say 120 hz so to keep it around 60hz per eye. now you see. there is nothing stopping NVIDIA to write a software update to allow for some middle-gpu.;) actually the fact that they disallow this is a feature of their software. well .. if they are worried about the delays which a middle GPU could impose... then write a simple wizard which would allow us to tweak the settings. it would be a one-time process;)) you see. in my case I wish I could play 3D games on my dlp projector without any kind of 3d vision stuff. my projector is a dlp-link one. it has the IR transmitter built in. glasses are darn cheap. I would prefere to play this way as an external dongle poses a delay. and this thing is responsible for syncing shuttering of the glasses with frames being displayed. you get my point. in dlp-link frames on the screen themselves can be said to sync the glasses. but hey I guess placing an '3d vision ready' sign on my dlp-link capable projector was not free for for BENQ;d
I understand that some companies try to go cheap, but what you call cheap is rather making a rational decision. I mean even I see no point in providing duplicate connections to an HDMI port besides potential problems.

but the reason why 3D Vision won't work with Intel GPU as a middle man is a purely SOFTWARE ONE. not a hadware one. they could make it work through iGPU with one software update. they could even make it work through 5 internal GPUs and a RAM buffor on the main board if they wanted;P why not? is there anything stopping them doing so?

I wouldn't call a laptop an embedded system. raspberry pi MAYBE, but still it would be a far-fetched comment.

hardware decisions are much more important than software ones. If NVIDIA could make their thechnology work through a middle-gpu oh well.. then they should;- they've got clients waiting. as I guess the signal is routed through iGPU on most if not many many laptops using iGPU as a fallback one. I have just checked ASUS and MSI in my house. and these are the highest-end laptops not some cheap stuff

so once again; it is NVIDIA's fault as long as we consider the fact that they COULD make it work with a software update.

well.. as well as they could allow for 3D vision without any funny dongles attached and as well as they could implement the nearest neighboor interpolation for upscalling, which is a peace of cake to do. but guess what? then nonone would have noticed a difference when playing 720p vs 4k native on a 4k 15inch laptop screen; another reason not to buy the latest hottest gpu

I'll tell you what you need to make 3D work ussing the Frame Sequence technology
1) shutter glasses
2) some sort of signal to sync the shuttering with freames ie. IR beam
3) video stream at a high enough freqency.. oh well lets say 120 hz so to keep it around 60hz per eye.

now you see. there is nothing stopping NVIDIA to write a software update to allow for some middle-gpu.;)
actually the fact that they disallow this is a feature of their software. well .. if they are worried about the delays which a middle GPU could impose... then write a simple wizard which would allow us to tweak the settings. it would be a one-time process;))

you see. in my case I wish I could play 3D games on my dlp projector without any kind of 3d vision stuff. my projector is a dlp-link one. it has the IR transmitter built in. glasses are darn cheap. I would prefere to play this way as an external dongle poses a delay. and this thing is responsible for syncing shuttering of the glasses with frames being displayed. you get my point. in dlp-link frames on the screen themselves can be said to sync the glasses. but hey I guess placing an '3d vision ready' sign on my dlp-link capable projector was not free for for BENQ;d

#13
Posted 03/22/2017 10:08 AM   
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