Will 3D vision work with my Sony 120Hz HDTV ? I must find out the truth.
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Ive read about 3D VISION today and I was REALLY excited about it (I got a 8800gt. who-hoo!) until I saw you need ... a DLC HDTV or a 120hz monitor ...

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So here I am, trying to find out if my Sony W4100A will ever be able to run with 3d vision. Its 120HZ ...
Ive read about 3D VISION today and I was REALLY excited about it (I got a 8800gt. who-hoo!) until I saw you need ... a DLC HDTV or a 120hz monitor ...



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So here I am, trying to find out if my Sony W4100A will ever be able to run with 3d vision. Its 120HZ ...

#1
Posted 01/09/2009 12:24 PM   
Hello ...
Hello ...

#2
Posted 01/09/2009 09:54 PM   
[url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_Requirements.html"]http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vi...quirements.html[/url]

not according to this! :blink:

"DLP HDTVs

* Mitsubishi® 1080p DLP® Home Theater TV: WD-57833, WD-60735, WD-60C8, WD-65735, WD-65736, WD-65C8, WD-65833, WD-65835, WD-73735, WD-73736, WD-73833, WD-73835, WD-73C8, L65-A90
"
http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vi...quirements.html



not according to this! :blink:



"DLP HDTVs



* Mitsubishi® 1080p DLP® Home Theater TV: WD-57833, WD-60735, WD-60C8, WD-65735, WD-65736, WD-65C8, WD-65833, WD-65835, WD-73735, WD-73736, WD-73833, WD-73835, WD-73C8, L65-A90

"

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#3
Posted 01/10/2009 12:05 AM   
[quote name='Lukeirado' post='488524' date='Jan 9 2009, 06:24 AM']Ive read about 3D VISION today and I was REALLY excited about it (I got a 8800gt. who-hoo!) until I saw you need ... a DLC HDTV or a 120hz monitor ...

W
t
f

So here I am, trying to find out if my Sony W4100A will ever be able to run with 3d vision. Its 120HZ ...[/quote]

Hi There,

Unfortunately your TV takes a 60 Hz input signal and upconverts the framerate to 120 Hz. GeForce 3D Vision either needs pure 120 Hz LCDs like the ViewSonic and Samsung Models, or 3D Ready DLP HTVs like the models from Mitsubishi. Thanks.
[quote name='Lukeirado' post='488524' date='Jan 9 2009, 06:24 AM']Ive read about 3D VISION today and I was REALLY excited about it (I got a 8800gt. who-hoo!) until I saw you need ... a DLC HDTV or a 120hz monitor ...



W

t

f



So here I am, trying to find out if my Sony W4100A will ever be able to run with 3d vision. Its 120HZ ...



Hi There,



Unfortunately your TV takes a 60 Hz input signal and upconverts the framerate to 120 Hz. GeForce 3D Vision either needs pure 120 Hz LCDs like the ViewSonic and Samsung Models, or 3D Ready DLP HTVs like the models from Mitsubishi. Thanks.

#4
Posted 01/12/2009 06:29 PM   
Hello,


its obvious to me that 3d Vision supports real 120hz output, as well as "checkerboard pattern" 3d mode as used in the "3D Ready DLPs".

I am just puzzled that you only mention "DLPs"...i am positive that Nvision will also work with "3d ready plasmas". (Although plasmas are a little sub-par as compared to DLPs since they have more ghosting when viewing 3D)

G.
Hello,





its obvious to me that 3d Vision supports real 120hz output, as well as "checkerboard pattern" 3d mode as used in the "3D Ready DLPs".



I am just puzzled that you only mention "DLPs"...i am positive that Nvision will also work with "3d ready plasmas". (Although plasmas are a little sub-par as compared to DLPs since they have more ghosting when viewing 3D)



G.

#5
Posted 01/14/2009 12:06 AM   
I am wondering the same thing.

I bought a Samsung DLP 61A750, one of the newer modles they have out with backlit LED and specifically states 3D ready with a s-video slot for 3D and a HDMI slot for 3D.

Why again wont the Nvidia 3D kit work with my TV? Or has it just not been listed?
I am wondering the same thing.



I bought a Samsung DLP 61A750, one of the newer modles they have out with backlit LED and specifically states 3D ready with a s-video slot for 3D and a HDMI slot for 3D.



Why again wont the Nvidia 3D kit work with my TV? Or has it just not been listed?

#6
Posted 01/14/2009 07:54 PM   
[quote name='BILDO' post='491142' date='Jan 14 2009, 12:54 PM']I am wondering the same thing.

I bought a Samsung DLP 61A750, one of the newer modles they have out with backlit LED and specifically states 3D ready with a s-video slot for 3D and a HDMI slot for 3D.

Why again wont the Nvidia 3D kit work with my TV? Or has it just not been listed?[/quote]

I have also bought this T.V. Nvidia has not completed all of the tests to list this t.v. officially supported br 3d nvision, however this t.v. has passed all of the tests so far and works great. It will definatly work with 3d vision! Once ALL tests have been completed it will be officially supported
[quote name='BILDO' post='491142' date='Jan 14 2009, 12:54 PM']I am wondering the same thing.



I bought a Samsung DLP 61A750, one of the newer modles they have out with backlit LED and specifically states 3D ready with a s-video slot for 3D and a HDMI slot for 3D.



Why again wont the Nvidia 3D kit work with my TV? Or has it just not been listed?



I have also bought this T.V. Nvidia has not completed all of the tests to list this t.v. officially supported br 3d nvision, however this t.v. has passed all of the tests so far and works great. It will definatly work with 3d vision! Once ALL tests have been completed it will be officially supported

#7
Posted 01/19/2009 09:48 PM   
I have a sony xbr4 wich is 120hz it doesn't make sense if a tv takes in 60hz and makes 120hz if it can't accept a 120 hz signal. so in other words why couldn't it play your video in 120hz as needed for the glasses to work. so Were does sony say that its only taking in 60 and that it can't take in 120. Anyone send me a link. Im curious why all these compaynys are claiming 120 refreshrates if there not compatible with 120 hz imput. if thats all they can do is upconvert. Has NVidia tested more than whats on the compatibility chart. just curious im trying to learn something here because all my friends want 120 tvs so I need to tell them what not to buy. Is my tv Compatible?

[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' post='490010' date='Jan 12 2009, 11:29 AM']Hi There,

Unfortunately your TV takes a 60 Hz input signal and upconverts the framerate to 120 Hz. GeForce 3D Vision either needs pure 120 Hz LCDs like the ViewSonic and Samsung Models, or 3D Ready DLP HTVs like the models from Mitsubishi. Thanks.[/quote]
I have a sony xbr4 wich is 120hz it doesn't make sense if a tv takes in 60hz and makes 120hz if it can't accept a 120 hz signal. so in other words why couldn't it play your video in 120hz as needed for the glasses to work. so Were does sony say that its only taking in 60 and that it can't take in 120. Anyone send me a link. Im curious why all these compaynys are claiming 120 refreshrates if there not compatible with 120 hz imput. if thats all they can do is upconvert. Has NVidia tested more than whats on the compatibility chart. just curious im trying to learn something here because all my friends want 120 tvs so I need to tell them what not to buy. Is my tv Compatible?



[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' post='490010' date='Jan 12 2009, 11:29 AM']Hi There,



Unfortunately your TV takes a 60 Hz input signal and upconverts the framerate to 120 Hz. GeForce 3D Vision either needs pure 120 Hz LCDs like the ViewSonic and Samsung Models, or 3D Ready DLP HTVs like the models from Mitsubishi. Thanks.

#8
Posted 01/21/2009 05:40 AM   
[quote name='Thornedogg' post='494453' date='Jan 20 2009, 10:40 PM']I have a sony xbr4 wich is 120hz it doesn't make sense if a tv takes in 60hz and makes 120hz if it can't accept a 120 hz signal. so in other words why couldn't it play your video in 120hz as needed for the glasses to work. so Were does sony say that its only taking in 60 and that it can't take in 120. Anyone send me a link. Im curious why all these compaynys are claiming 120 refreshrates if there not compatible with 120 hz imput. if thats all they can do is upconvert. Has NVidia tested more than whats on the compatibility chart. just curious im trying to learn something here because all my friends want 120 tvs so I need to tell them what not to buy. Is my tv Compatible?[/quote]


these dlp t.v's only use TRUE 120 hz ONLY when connected through the 3D stereo outpt! Go to youtube type in "Samsung dlp unpacking" the first video that pops up watch. Go to 4 minutes and 7 seconds and you will see the "3d sync out" which is 3d ready hardware. This port (looks like a S-video port) uses checkerboard pattern arrangement that almost all 120 HZ t.v do not have. The only 2 supported are on Nvidia.com in nvidia 3d vision system requirements section.
[quote name='Thornedogg' post='494453' date='Jan 20 2009, 10:40 PM']I have a sony xbr4 wich is 120hz it doesn't make sense if a tv takes in 60hz and makes 120hz if it can't accept a 120 hz signal. so in other words why couldn't it play your video in 120hz as needed for the glasses to work. so Were does sony say that its only taking in 60 and that it can't take in 120. Anyone send me a link. Im curious why all these compaynys are claiming 120 refreshrates if there not compatible with 120 hz imput. if thats all they can do is upconvert. Has NVidia tested more than whats on the compatibility chart. just curious im trying to learn something here because all my friends want 120 tvs so I need to tell them what not to buy. Is my tv Compatible?





these dlp t.v's only use TRUE 120 hz ONLY when connected through the 3D stereo outpt! Go to youtube type in "Samsung dlp unpacking" the first video that pops up watch. Go to 4 minutes and 7 seconds and you will see the "3d sync out" which is 3d ready hardware. This port (looks like a S-video port) uses checkerboard pattern arrangement that almost all 120 HZ t.v do not have. The only 2 supported are on Nvidia.com in nvidia 3d vision system requirements section.

#9
Posted 01/21/2009 06:50 AM   
here is the manual for the nvida glasses , maybe it will help ya . [url="http://www.nvidia.com/content/3dvision/docs/3D_Vision_Install_Guide_Dec16_Screen.pdf"]http://www.nvidia.com/content/3dvision/doc...ec16_Screen.pdf[/url]
here is the manual for the nvida glasses , maybe it will help ya . http://www.nvidia.com/content/3dvision/doc...ec16_Screen.pdf

#10
Posted 01/21/2009 08:07 PM   
[quote name='ollyluck' post='494743' date='Jan 21 2009, 12:07 PM']here is the manual for the nvida glasses , maybe it will help ya . [url="http://www.nvidia.com/content/3dvision/docs/3D_Vision_Install_Guide_Dec16_Screen.pdf"]http://www.nvidia.com/content/3dvision/doc...ec16_Screen.pdf[/url][/quote]

OT: Ollylock, fix your banner so it goes to the mtbs forum and not to imagehosting :)
[quote name='ollyluck' post='494743' date='Jan 21 2009, 12:07 PM']here is the manual for the nvida glasses , maybe it will help ya . http://www.nvidia.com/content/3dvision/doc...ec16_Screen.pdf



OT: Ollylock, fix your banner so it goes to the mtbs forum and not to imagehosting :)

#11
Posted 01/22/2009 03:05 AM   
I have gathered this list of tvs and glasses settings(not guaranteed but somewhat reliable YMMV)

Compatible with following Samsung DLP sets (with 3d sync out):

HL-50A650

HL-56A650

HL-61A650

HL-61A750

HL-67A750

HL-72A650

HL-T4675S

HL-T5075S

HL-T5076S

HL-T5087S

HL-T5089S

HL-T5675S

HL-T5676S

HL-T5687S

HL-T5689S

HL-T6176S

HL-T6187S

HL-T6189S

HL-T7288W

Compatible with the following Samsung Plasma monitors(& any other 3D Ready televisions not listed):

PN42A450P

PN50A450P

PS42A450

PS42A450P1

PS50A450

PS50A450P1

PS50A476

Compatible with the following Mitsubishi DLP monitors (& any other 3D Ready televisions not listed):

WD-60C9

WD-65C9

WD-73C9

WD-57833

WD-60735

WD-60737

WD-65735

WD-65736

WD-65737

WD-65833

WD-65835

WD-65837

WD-73735

WD-73736

WD-73737

WD-73833

WD-73835

WD-73837

WD-82737

WD-82837

You are now ready to start gaming with Geforce 3D Vision. To
get started, simply launch your favorite full-screen DirectX
game. In order to support Geforce 3D Vision, your game must
be confgured to run at the correct settings for your display:
> > 120 Hz lCd: select an in-game resolution of 1680x1050
> > dlp HdTV: select a resolution of 1920x1080, 1768x992
or 1280x1024 and set the refresh to 60 Hz.
depthq Hd 3d projector: > > select a resolution of 1280x720

NOTICE DLP only requires 60hz input, not 120. Even though the set does have 120hz refresh rate.

Good reference here [url="http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html"]http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html[/url]
shows size, res, and lamp type. those bulbs are so dang expensive
.
I have gathered this list of tvs and glasses settings(not guaranteed but somewhat reliable YMMV)



Compatible with following Samsung DLP sets (with 3d sync out):



HL-50A650



HL-56A650



HL-61A650



HL-61A750



HL-67A750



HL-72A650



HL-T4675S



HL-T5075S



HL-T5076S



HL-T5087S



HL-T5089S



HL-T5675S



HL-T5676S



HL-T5687S



HL-T5689S



HL-T6176S



HL-T6187S



HL-T6189S



HL-T7288W



Compatible with the following Samsung Plasma monitors(& any other 3D Ready televisions not listed):



PN42A450P



PN50A450P



PS42A450



PS42A450P1



PS50A450



PS50A450P1



PS50A476



Compatible with the following Mitsubishi DLP monitors (& any other 3D Ready televisions not listed):



WD-60C9



WD-65C9



WD-73C9



WD-57833



WD-60735



WD-60737



WD-65735



WD-65736



WD-65737



WD-65833



WD-65835



WD-65837



WD-73735



WD-73736



WD-73737



WD-73833



WD-73835



WD-73837



WD-82737



WD-82837



You are now ready to start gaming with Geforce 3D Vision. To

get started, simply launch your favorite full-screen DirectX

game. In order to support Geforce 3D Vision, your game must

be confgured to run at the correct settings for your display:

> > 120 Hz lCd: select an in-game resolution of 1680x1050

> > dlp HdTV: select a resolution of 1920x1080, 1768x992

or 1280x1024 and set the refresh to 60 Hz.

depthq Hd 3d projector: > > select a resolution of 1280x720



NOTICE DLP only requires 60hz input, not 120. Even though the set does have 120hz refresh rate.



Good reference here http://www.3dmovielist.com/3dhdtvs.html

shows size, res, and lamp type. those bulbs are so dang expensive

.

#12
Posted 01/16/2010 08:54 PM   
[size=4]I have a sony kdl-40v5100. I want to know if my tv is compatible with the 3d vision. can anyone tell me??[/size]
I have a sony kdl-40v5100. I want to know if my tv is compatible with the 3d vision. can anyone tell me??

#13
Posted 02/28/2010 06:44 PM   
[quote name='Thornedogg' post='494453' date='Jan 21 2009, 06:40 AM']Im curious why all these compaynys are claiming 120 refreshrates if there not compatible with 120 hz imput. if thats all they can do is upconvert. Has NVidia tested more than whats on the compatibility chart. just curious im trying to learn something here because all my friends want 120 tvs so I need to tell them what not to buy. Is my tv Compatible?[/quote]
It's because of the frame interpolation features that all these TVs have.
These chips take the standard 24/30/60fps input framerates, analyse the movements and generate additional intermediate frames. Depending on the brand/model, the final framerate can vary from 100Hz up to 600Hz on some Panasonic plasmas.

The problem is that stereoscopic 3D needs separate pairs of images, which the interpolation chips do not understand. In order to display stereo3D, the frame interpolation feature must be switched off, in which case these TVs revert back to 60Hz maximum.

[quote name='shadowr74' post='1009613' date='Feb 28 2010, 07:44 PM'][size=4]I have a sony kdl-40v5100. I want to know if my tv is compatible with the 3d vision. can anyone tell me??[/size][/quote]
Your TV is not compatible.


There is a widespread misunderstanding going around that 120Hz displays allow or are mandatory for 3D vision. This is absolutely FALSE
120Hz is neither requirement or guarantee that 3D vision will work.

The shutter technology used by nvidia 3D vision can work at any refresh rate, but this has been BLOCKED by nvidia to prevent people from misusing the glasses and then blaming the glasses for headaches they would inflict themselves due to too low refresh rates.
[quote name='Thornedogg' post='494453' date='Jan 21 2009, 06:40 AM']Im curious why all these compaynys are claiming 120 refreshrates if there not compatible with 120 hz imput. if thats all they can do is upconvert. Has NVidia tested more than whats on the compatibility chart. just curious im trying to learn something here because all my friends want 120 tvs so I need to tell them what not to buy. Is my tv Compatible?

It's because of the frame interpolation features that all these TVs have.

These chips take the standard 24/30/60fps input framerates, analyse the movements and generate additional intermediate frames. Depending on the brand/model, the final framerate can vary from 100Hz up to 600Hz on some Panasonic plasmas.



The problem is that stereoscopic 3D needs separate pairs of images, which the interpolation chips do not understand. In order to display stereo3D, the frame interpolation feature must be switched off, in which case these TVs revert back to 60Hz maximum.



[quote name='shadowr74' post='1009613' date='Feb 28 2010, 07:44 PM']I have a sony kdl-40v5100. I want to know if my tv is compatible with the 3d vision. can anyone tell me??

Your TV is not compatible.





There is a widespread misunderstanding going around that 120Hz displays allow or are mandatory for 3D vision. This is absolutely FALSE

120Hz is neither requirement or guarantee that 3D vision will work.



The shutter technology used by nvidia 3D vision can work at any refresh rate, but this has been BLOCKED by nvidia to prevent people from misusing the glasses and then blaming the glasses for headaches they would inflict themselves due to too low refresh rates.

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110" DIY dual-projection system
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#14
Posted 02/28/2010 07:23 PM   
You have to buy special software from Nvidia and then you can use your TV's 3d glasses and not nvidia's glasses. http://www.nvidia.ca/object/3dtv-play-overview.html https://store.nvidia.com/store?Action=DisplayPage&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=nvidia&id=QuickBuyCartPage As i was confused by that as well, as i was looking to buy a HDTV to use for 3d as well, but i'm debating between an LED pc monitor now, vs a TV. As the glasses for the samsung tv i was looking at are expensive; they come with the TV and the price comparison to pc led vs tv led smart tv, is very close to same... was just looking up cost of the glasses (If i broke em or lost em) lol. So i'm undecided yet. Hope these links help.
You have to buy special software from Nvidia and then you can use your TV's 3d glasses and not nvidia's glasses.


http://www.nvidia.ca/object/3dtv-play-overview.html


https://store.nvidia.com/store?Action=DisplayPage&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=nvidia&id=QuickBuyCartPage


As i was confused by that as well, as i was looking to buy a HDTV to use for 3d as well, but i'm debating between an LED pc monitor now, vs a TV. As the glasses for the samsung tv i was looking at are expensive; they come with the TV and the price comparison to pc led vs tv led smart tv, is very close to same... was just looking up cost of the glasses (If i broke em or lost em) lol.

So i'm undecided yet.

Hope these links help.

#15
Posted 02/11/2013 01:27 PM   
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