Can anyone help me set up my projector to do 3D TV 3D DTV on my projector
Hello everyone I am new to the forum and I would love any advice you may have on displaying 3D TV with a projector...

Most of the 3D hardware for projectors seems to be for gamming... I am insterested in watching the NFL this fall on my projector... I have the Mitsubishi XD350 and I have Direct TV...

Any help would be greatly appreciated...
Hello everyone I am new to the forum and I would love any advice you may have on displaying 3D TV with a projector...



Most of the 3D hardware for projectors seems to be for gamming... I am insterested in watching the NFL this fall on my projector... I have the Mitsubishi XD350 and I have Direct TV...



Any help would be greatly appreciated...

#1
Posted 07/09/2008 09:21 PM   
3D is achieved through two perspectives. In computer generated environments this is easily accomplished by rendering two images with the two prospectives. On broadcast television only the one prospective is sent. Your not going to be able to “generate” a different prospective as the information just isn’t there.

Not only that, but to “see” 3D, you need to be able to block the alternate prospective from each eye.

On a conventional set, the image would need to do this with color information, hence the crappy red/blue glasses.

Or – through page flipping. E.g. shutter glasses and an interlaced picture.

3D done right is with two projectors each with a polarized light filter off-set 90 degree’s projected onto a non depolarizing screen.

In short – your not going to watch DirectTV in 3D unless your tripin.
3D is achieved through two perspectives. In computer generated environments this is easily accomplished by rendering two images with the two prospectives. On broadcast television only the one prospective is sent. Your not going to be able to “generate” a different prospective as the information just isn’t there.



Not only that, but to “see” 3D, you need to be able to block the alternate prospective from each eye.



On a conventional set, the image would need to do this with color information, hence the crappy red/blue glasses.



Or – through page flipping. E.g. shutter glasses and an interlaced picture.



3D done right is with two projectors each with a polarized light filter off-set 90 degree’s projected onto a non depolarizing screen.



In short – your not going to watch DirectTV in 3D unless your tripin.

#2
Posted 07/09/2008 11:19 PM   
[quote name='Andy0x1' date='Jul 9 2008, 03:19 PM']3D is achieved through two perspectives.  In computer generated environments this is easily accomplished by rendering two images with the two prospectives.  On broadcast television only the one prospective is sent.  Your not going to be able to “generate” a different prospective as the information just isn’t there.

Not only that, but to “see” 3D, you need to be able to block the alternate prospective from each eye.

On a conventional set, the image would need to do this with color information, hence the crappy red/blue glasses.

Or – through page flipping. E.g. shutter glasses and an interlaced picture.

3D done right is with two projectors each with a polarized light filter off-set 90 degree’s projected onto a non depolarizing screen.

In short – your not going to watch DirectTV in 3D unless your tripin.
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I appreciate your imput and would like to inquire on running the DTV through a video card.... would that help at all..? Would the computer from 3DflightSim do anything for me..? Would having TWO Mitsubishi XD350 projectors help..? I don't mind using shutter glasses to achieve this but it sounds like that's not possible either...

If I want 3D projection TV is my only alternative the "DepthQ"..?

Thank you for your time...
[quote name='Andy0x1' date='Jul 9 2008, 03:19 PM']3D is achieved through two perspectives.  In computer generated environments this is easily accomplished by rendering two images with the two prospectives.  On broadcast television only the one prospective is sent.  Your not going to be able to “generate” a different prospective as the information just isn’t there.



Not only that, but to “see” 3D, you need to be able to block the alternate prospective from each eye.



On a conventional set, the image would need to do this with color information, hence the crappy red/blue glasses.



Or – through page flipping. E.g. shutter glasses and an interlaced picture.



3D done right is with two projectors each with a polarized light filter off-set 90 degree’s projected onto a non depolarizing screen.



In short – your not going to watch DirectTV in 3D unless your tripin.

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I appreciate your imput and would like to inquire on running the DTV through a video card.... would that help at all..? Would the computer from 3DflightSim do anything for me..? Would having TWO Mitsubishi XD350 projectors help..? I don't mind using shutter glasses to achieve this but it sounds like that's not possible either...



If I want 3D projection TV is my only alternative the "DepthQ"..?



Thank you for your time...

#3
Posted 07/09/2008 11:35 PM   
You may just want to do some reading up on 3D from the various retailers.

I see more and more 3D camcorders showing up on the market:

[url="http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/3DVX-Announced-Finally-Portable-3-D-Made-Easy.htm"]http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/3DVX-...D-Made-Easy.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.stereo3d.com/3dhome.htm"]http://www.stereo3d.com/3dhome.htm[/url]


There was a cheap alternative that converted a conventional camcorder to capture in 3D by using the camcorders composite video output to provide a sync pulse to a special lens system that involved a mirror and LCD shutter to alternate the captured field between the native one and the one off-set by the mirror. The kit included a software program to compile the captured content to various 3D formats for playback on the type of hardware you had.

It amazes me that "normal" movies like Starwars, etc, are not captured in 3D and presented in the theater as such. I mean seriously, remember when theaters used to be the pinnacle of movies? As it sits now, I would rather watch it at home on my surround system and KURO plasma display. That would change if the theatres were offering more!
You may just want to do some reading up on 3D from the various retailers.



I see more and more 3D camcorders showing up on the market:



http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/3DVX-...D-Made-Easy.htm



http://www.stereo3d.com/3dhome.htm





There was a cheap alternative that converted a conventional camcorder to capture in 3D by using the camcorders composite video output to provide a sync pulse to a special lens system that involved a mirror and LCD shutter to alternate the captured field between the native one and the one off-set by the mirror. The kit included a software program to compile the captured content to various 3D formats for playback on the type of hardware you had.



It amazes me that "normal" movies like Starwars, etc, are not captured in 3D and presented in the theater as such. I mean seriously, remember when theaters used to be the pinnacle of movies? As it sits now, I would rather watch it at home on my surround system and KURO plasma display. That would change if the theatres were offering more!

#4
Posted 07/10/2008 12:24 AM   
[quote name='Andy0x1' date='Jul 9 2008, 04:24 PM']You may just want to do some reading up on 3D from the various retailers.

I see more and more 3D camcorders showing up on the market:

[url="http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/3DVX-Announced-Finally-Portable-3-D-Made-Easy.htm"]http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/3DVX-...D-Made-Easy.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.stereo3d.com/3dhome.htm"]http://www.stereo3d.com/3dhome.htm[/url]
There was a cheap alternative that converted a conventional camcorder to capture in 3D by using the camcorders composite video output to provide a sync pulse to a special lens system that involved a mirror and LCD shutter to alternate the captured field between the native one and the one off-set by the mirror.  The kit included a software program to compile the captured content to various 3D formats for playback on the type of hardware you had.

It amazes me that "normal" movies like Starwars, etc, are not captured in 3D and presented in the theater as such.  I mean seriously, remember when theaters used to be the pinnacle of movies?  As it sits now, I would rather watch it at home on my surround system and KURO plasma display.  That would change if the theatres were offering more!
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I appreciate your replies as I am finding them helpful... I guess I may have to go get some trip and pretend it's in 3D because this does not look like a possible thing to do... I had at first thought a 3D Video capture card and as I kept researching I came to find out it doesn't look good...

Can you please explain why a 3D Video caputure card with a tuner would not work..? I think you did already so excuse me for asking you to repeat...

Anyway is this something along the lines of what you were speaking of ?

[url="http://www.razor3donline.com/3dvidviewsys.html"]http://www.razor3donline.com/3dvidviewsys.html[/url]

You made an interesting point... You would think that certain movies would be in 3D by now and the theaters to support them.... Star Wars and Top Gun would be cool in 3D...
[quote name='Andy0x1' date='Jul 9 2008, 04:24 PM']You may just want to do some reading up on 3D from the various retailers.



I see more and more 3D camcorders showing up on the market:



http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/3DVX-...D-Made-Easy.htm



http://www.stereo3d.com/3dhome.htm

There was a cheap alternative that converted a conventional camcorder to capture in 3D by using the camcorders composite video output to provide a sync pulse to a special lens system that involved a mirror and LCD shutter to alternate the captured field between the native one and the one off-set by the mirror.  The kit included a software program to compile the captured content to various 3D formats for playback on the type of hardware you had.



It amazes me that "normal" movies like Starwars, etc, are not captured in 3D and presented in the theater as such.  I mean seriously, remember when theaters used to be the pinnacle of movies?  As it sits now, I would rather watch it at home on my surround system and KURO plasma display.  That would change if the theatres were offering more!

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I appreciate your replies as I am finding them helpful... I guess I may have to go get some trip and pretend it's in 3D because this does not look like a possible thing to do... I had at first thought a 3D Video capture card and as I kept researching I came to find out it doesn't look good...



Can you please explain why a 3D Video caputure card with a tuner would not work..? I think you did already so excuse me for asking you to repeat...



Anyway is this something along the lines of what you were speaking of ?



http://www.razor3donline.com/3dvidviewsys.html



You made an interesting point... You would think that certain movies would be in 3D by now and the theaters to support them.... Star Wars and Top Gun would be cool in 3D...

#5
Posted 07/10/2008 01:11 AM   
Stereo 3D is an up-and-coming technology. It is sort of where HD was maybe 10 years ago. You can buy 3D monitors, or 3D-ready sets today. However there is very little content available. There are a handful of 3D-DVDs, mostly niche content, and of course there is stereo 3D gaming for the PC. However you can't just watch a regular TV show in 3D, the same way you can't watch a standard-definition channel in HD. Its has to be supported by the station. I think they are testing some 3D broadcast in the UK, but thats all I have heard. You can't just turn on a random channel and see it in 3D.

However things are changing. There were a few big stereo3d movie releases recently (Beowulf, U2-3D, etc.) and they are filming others. So far there have been only 2 NFL games recorded in digital-3D, but I don't think they are available on DVD yet.
[url="http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2008/06/pace_puts_forward_case_for_stereo_3d.html"]http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2008/06..._stereo_3d.html[/url]

You could, however, play the Madden NFL game in stereo-3d if you have a good PC and the appropriate hardware. Not every PC game is supported, but a lot of the popular ones are.

There are devices (like the one you linked) that will allow you to view 3D but only on a CRT monitor though. And again, it will only work with special stereo 3d DVDs, not just any movie. Here is a good list on Amazon of the type of stuff available today:
[url="http://www.amazon.com/3D-DVD-Ultimate-field-sequential/lm/1B5Q2BDEBQSHG"]http://www.amazon.com/3D-DVD-Ultimate-fiel...m/1B5Q2BDEBQSHG[/url]

Some sites claim they have devices that can convert regular 2D content to 3D, but it doesn't work like that. Although you might see some 3D effects, it is not true stereoscopic 3D. It is similar to an upscaling-DVD player. There is really a lot to read up on before you make a purchase, and its too much to get into in one post. You can check this community for more general information about stereo3d: [url="http://www.mtbs3d.com"]MTBS3D.com[/url]

Also, there are rumors that Lucus is remastering the entire Star Wars series in stereo3d. The first film should be out around 4Q '09, so don't miss it in the theaters.
Stereo 3D is an up-and-coming technology. It is sort of where HD was maybe 10 years ago. You can buy 3D monitors, or 3D-ready sets today. However there is very little content available. There are a handful of 3D-DVDs, mostly niche content, and of course there is stereo 3D gaming for the PC. However you can't just watch a regular TV show in 3D, the same way you can't watch a standard-definition channel in HD. Its has to be supported by the station. I think they are testing some 3D broadcast in the UK, but thats all I have heard. You can't just turn on a random channel and see it in 3D.



However things are changing. There were a few big stereo3d movie releases recently (Beowulf, U2-3D, etc.) and they are filming others. So far there have been only 2 NFL games recorded in digital-3D, but I don't think they are available on DVD yet.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2008/06..._stereo_3d.html



You could, however, play the Madden NFL game in stereo-3d if you have a good PC and the appropriate hardware. Not every PC game is supported, but a lot of the popular ones are.



There are devices (like the one you linked) that will allow you to view 3D but only on a CRT monitor though. And again, it will only work with special stereo 3d DVDs, not just any movie. Here is a good list on Amazon of the type of stuff available today:

http://www.amazon.com/3D-DVD-Ultimate-fiel...m/1B5Q2BDEBQSHG



Some sites claim they have devices that can convert regular 2D content to 3D, but it doesn't work like that. Although you might see some 3D effects, it is not true stereoscopic 3D. It is similar to an upscaling-DVD player. There is really a lot to read up on before you make a purchase, and its too much to get into in one post. You can check this community for more general information about stereo3d: MTBS3D.com



Also, there are rumors that Lucus is remastering the entire Star Wars series in stereo3d. The first film should be out around 4Q '09, so don't miss it in the theaters.
#6
Posted 07/10/2008 01:52 AM   
Hey guys I wanted to thank you for your help and saving me a lot of research time... I guess the best thing to do is just wait a few more years until 3D is broadcast.... I thought about the "DepthQ" but you both are correct that is still not 3D for TV... Oh well...
Hey guys I wanted to thank you for your help and saving me a lot of research time... I guess the best thing to do is just wait a few more years until 3D is broadcast.... I thought about the "DepthQ" but you both are correct that is still not 3D for TV... Oh well...

#7
Posted 07/11/2008 05:51 PM   
[quote name='Andy0x1' post='408246' date='Jul 9 2008, 04:19 PM']3D is achieved through two perspectives. In computer generated environments this is easily accomplished by rendering two images with the two prospectives. On broadcast television only the one prospective is sent. Your not going to be able to “generate” a different prospective as the information just isn’t there.

Not only that, but to “see” 3D, you need to be able to block the alternate prospective from each eye.

On a conventional set, the image would need to do this with color information, hence the crappy red/blue glasses.

Or – through page flipping. E.g. shutter glasses and an interlaced picture.

[size=3][b]3D done right is with two projectors each with a polarized light filter off-set 90 degree’s projected onto a non depolarizing screen.[/b][/size]

In short – your not going to watch DirectTV in 3D unless your tripin.[/quote]

Can someone please help me with this...

Thanks
[quote name='Andy0x1' post='408246' date='Jul 9 2008, 04:19 PM']3D is achieved through two perspectives. In computer generated environments this is easily accomplished by rendering two images with the two prospectives. On broadcast television only the one prospective is sent. Your not going to be able to “generate” a different prospective as the information just isn’t there.



Not only that, but to “see” 3D, you need to be able to block the alternate prospective from each eye.



On a conventional set, the image would need to do this with color information, hence the crappy red/blue glasses.



Or – through page flipping. E.g. shutter glasses and an interlaced picture.



3D done right is with two projectors each with a polarized light filter off-set 90 degree’s projected onto a non depolarizing screen.



In short – your not going to watch DirectTV in 3D unless your tripin.



Can someone please help me with this...



Thanks

#8
Posted 01/13/2010 08:53 PM   
Direct TV is going to launch a 3D channel this summer reports from CES
Direct TV is going to launch a 3D channel this summer reports from CES

#9
Posted 01/14/2010 01:51 AM   
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