Laptop to play 3D?
Best laptop to play in 3D? is it a good idea? any near future Nvidia shield tablet supporting 3D vision?
Best laptop to play in 3D? is it a good idea? any near future Nvidia shield tablet supporting 3D vision?

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#1
Posted 02/23/2015 04:04 PM   
Wait for Oculus or Vrvana. Nvidia 3DVision isn't worth it.
Wait for Oculus or Vrvana.
Nvidia 3DVision isn't worth it.

Model: Clevo P570WM Laptop
GPU: GeForce GTX 980M ~8GB GDDR5
CPU: Intel Core i7-4960X CPU +4.2GHz (12 CPUs)
Memory: 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3L 1600MHz, 4x8gb
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate

#2
Posted 02/23/2015 09:19 PM   
I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.
I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#3
Posted 02/23/2015 10:07 PM   
I game on an Alienware M17x with a built in 3D screen and I like it - get one of those tables used to serve breakfast in bed and suddenly the advantage of the form factor becomes apparent :) How is your tolerance for lower frame rates? Even if you buy one with a top of the line graphics card, it's not going to be as powerful as a desktop and two years later may struggle a little with newer games - I've got a 680m in mine and I'm starting to think about upgrading it, but at the moment I'm still getting a reasonable fps out of newer games (for my tolerances so long as I don't push the graphics settings too high) so I'm holding off for now. One point of caution - three years ago when I bought mine all the major brands had laptops with 3D displays, but that is no longer true. There are laptops still advertised as supporting 3D, but most of them just mean they support 3D TVs (maybe monitors?), and to me that just defeats the point of using a laptop in the first place. I'm not aware of a single laptop currently on the market that I can confidently say has a built in 3D display, so be careful if you buy new. Second hand is an option, but then you are starting out with a dated graphics card.
I game on an Alienware M17x with a built in 3D screen and I like it - get one of those tables used to serve breakfast in bed and suddenly the advantage of the form factor becomes apparent :)

How is your tolerance for lower frame rates? Even if you buy one with a top of the line graphics card, it's not going to be as powerful as a desktop and two years later may struggle a little with newer games - I've got a 680m in mine and I'm starting to think about upgrading it, but at the moment I'm still getting a reasonable fps out of newer games (for my tolerances so long as I don't push the graphics settings too high) so I'm holding off for now.

One point of caution - three years ago when I bought mine all the major brands had laptops with 3D displays, but that is no longer true. There are laptops still advertised as supporting 3D, but most of them just mean they support 3D TVs (maybe monitors?), and to me that just defeats the point of using a laptop in the first place.

I'm not aware of a single laptop currently on the market that I can confidently say has a built in 3D display, so be careful if you buy new. Second hand is an option, but then you are starting out with a dated graphics card.

2x Geforce GTX 980 in SLI provided by NVIDIA, i7 6700K 4GHz CPU, Asus 27" VG278HE 144Hz 3D Monitor, BenQ W1070 3D Projector, 120" Elite Screens YardMaster 2, 32GB Corsair DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD, 4x750GB HDD in RAID5, Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 7 Motherboard, Corsair Obsidian 750D Airflow Edition Case, Corsair RM850i PSU, HTC Vive, Win 10 64bit

Alienware M17x R4 w/ built in 3D, Intel i7 3740QM, GTX 680m 2GB, 16GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Win7 64bit, 1TB SSD, 1TB HDD, 750GB HDD

Pre-release 3D fixes, shadertool.py and other goodies: http://github.com/DarkStarSword/3d-fixes
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#4
Posted 02/24/2015 12:32 AM   
I bought my Alienware M17x last year (2014) in September (build on the 1st of September...lol) and it has a GTX880M + 3D Vision display (and the actual 3D Vision Ready sticker). I wanted a M18x with 2x880M (SLI) but there wasn't an option for the 3D Vision display... :( In any case is working very good and I am very pleased with it. Just don't expect 60fps in 3D @ 1080p (More likely around 30-40fps) with settings cranked up to ultra and a few lowered down (depends on the game actually)... So, new laptops are still around if you search for them but aren't as many/popular as they were a few years ago:)
I bought my Alienware M17x last year (2014) in September (build on the 1st of September...lol) and it has a GTX880M + 3D Vision display (and the actual 3D Vision Ready sticker).
I wanted a M18x with 2x880M (SLI) but there wasn't an option for the 3D Vision display... :(

In any case is working very good and I am very pleased with it. Just don't expect 60fps in 3D @ 1080p (More likely around 30-40fps) with settings cranked up to ultra and a few lowered down (depends on the game actually)...

So, new laptops are still around if you search for them but aren't as many/popular as they were a few years ago:)

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

#5
Posted 02/24/2015 12:50 AM   
[quote="b4thman"]I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.[/quote] So you are saying that my glasses that are about 1 cm away from my eyes will cause eye-strain? The image for DK2 and DK1 is projected at infinity, so your eyes are actually relaxed when using the headset. Just to be clear and less snarky- lenses can make the image appear anywhere you want. The physical closeness is irrelevant.
b4thman said:I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.

So you are saying that my glasses that are about 1 cm away from my eyes will cause eye-strain?

The image for DK2 and DK1 is projected at infinity, so your eyes are actually relaxed when using the headset.

Just to be clear and less snarky- lenses can make the image appear anywhere you want. The physical closeness is irrelevant.

Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
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#6
Posted 02/24/2015 09:46 AM   
[quote="bo3b"][quote="b4thman"]I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.[/quote] So you are saying that my glasses that are about 1 cm away from my eyes will cause eye-strain? The image for DK2 and DK1 is projected at infinity, so your eyes are actually relaxed when using the headset. Just to be clear and less snarky- lenses can make the image appear anywhere you want. The physical closeness is irrelevant.[/quote] I don't think that is a good example. When you look through your glasses you do not focus on the lense of the glasses, you just look through it to an object located farther. I am not pretty sure of this, but..., if you look at your face in a mirror, you focus just at the distance of the mirror from your eye (not the sum of the distance of the image to the mirror + the distance of the mirror to your eye). I am courious about this, I am not an expert. Othewise why not to make a laptop with a tech allowing us to focus the picture on the screen like if it were located at 5 meters of distance to prevent strain? it would be nice to experience a real movie theatre watching just the laptop.
bo3b said:
b4thman said:I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.

So you are saying that my glasses that are about 1 cm away from my eyes will cause eye-strain?

The image for DK2 and DK1 is projected at infinity, so your eyes are actually relaxed when using the headset.

Just to be clear and less snarky- lenses can make the image appear anywhere you want. The physical closeness is irrelevant.


I don't think that is a good example. When you look through your glasses you do not focus on the lense of the glasses, you just look through it to an object located farther. I am not pretty sure of this, but..., if you look at your face in a mirror, you focus just at the distance of the mirror from your eye (not the sum of the distance of the image to the mirror + the distance of the mirror to your eye). I am courious about this, I am not an expert. Othewise why not to make a laptop with a tech allowing us to focus the picture on the screen like if it were located at 5 meters of distance to prevent strain? it would be nice to experience a real movie theatre watching just the laptop.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#7
Posted 02/26/2015 12:09 AM   
... actually you don't focus on the mirror, you focus past the mirror. If you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you're actually focusing at twice the distance of yourself to the mirror. Don't believe me? Put your hand on the mirror and try to focus on both your hand and your face at the same time. ;)
... actually you don't focus on the mirror, you focus past the mirror. If you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you're actually focusing at twice the distance of yourself to the mirror. Don't believe me? Put your hand on the mirror and try to focus on both your hand and your face at the same time. ;)
#8
Posted 02/26/2015 01:30 AM   
[quote="b4thman"][quote="bo3b"][quote="b4thman"]I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.[/quote] So you are saying that my glasses that are about 1 cm away from my eyes will cause eye-strain? The image for DK2 and DK1 is projected at infinity, so your eyes are actually relaxed when using the headset. Just to be clear and less snarky- lenses can make the image appear anywhere you want. The physical closeness is irrelevant.[/quote]I don't think that is a good example. When you look through your glasses you do not focus on the lense of the glasses, you just look through it to an object located farther. I am not pretty sure of this, but..., if you look at your face in a mirror, you focus just at the distance of the mirror from your eye (not the sum of the distance of the image to the mirror + the distance of the mirror to your eye). I am courious about this, I am not an expert. Othewise why not to make a laptop with a tech allowing us to focus the picture on the screen like if it were located at 5 meters of distance to prevent strain? it would be nice to experience a real movie theatre watching just the laptop.[/quote] Actually, I think my example is pretty good. You are looking through a lens, at something else in both cases. The lens itself can and does change the focal point to infinity for the Rift. In the same way that my corrective lenses push my distance focal point out further than it would be normally. (nearsighted) When using the Rift, you aren't focusing on something up close to your eyes, you are focusing on something at distance. You could make a laptop that would do this long vision viewing effect... but you'd need to wear glasses.
b4thman said:
bo3b said:
b4thman said:I do not want to spoil illusions, but I am not sure that using something like a visual headset is good for my eyes. The image is too close to the eyes and probably the strain caused will be too much.

So you are saying that my glasses that are about 1 cm away from my eyes will cause eye-strain?

The image for DK2 and DK1 is projected at infinity, so your eyes are actually relaxed when using the headset.

Just to be clear and less snarky- lenses can make the image appear anywhere you want. The physical closeness is irrelevant.
I don't think that is a good example. When you look through your glasses you do not focus on the lense of the glasses, you just look through it to an object located farther. I am not pretty sure of this, but..., if you look at your face in a mirror, you focus just at the distance of the mirror from your eye (not the sum of the distance of the image to the mirror + the distance of the mirror to your eye). I am courious about this, I am not an expert. Othewise why not to make a laptop with a tech allowing us to focus the picture on the screen like if it were located at 5 meters of distance to prevent strain? it would be nice to experience a real movie theatre watching just the laptop.

Actually, I think my example is pretty good. You are looking through a lens, at something else in both cases. The lens itself can and does change the focal point to infinity for the Rift. In the same way that my corrective lenses push my distance focal point out further than it would be normally. (nearsighted)

When using the Rift, you aren't focusing on something up close to your eyes, you are focusing on something at distance.

You could make a laptop that would do this long vision viewing effect... but you'd need to wear glasses.

Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
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#9
Posted 02/26/2015 08:08 AM   
[quote="TsaebehT"]... actually you don't focus on the mirror, you focus past the mirror. If you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you're actually focusing at twice the distance of yourself to the mirror. Don't believe me? Put your hand on the mirror and try to focus on both your hand and your face at the same time. ;)[/quote] Right, that is true. My interest about head mounted display tech have increased. I wonder why there is no laptop using this procedure (even if you need to wear special glasses or add a clip to your existing ones). Eyestrain is a very important factor for some people (e.g. myself), and maybe trying with fresnel lenses or some kind of optics to increase the size of the final picture (besides depth) could be very interesting. Maybe even there is a similar product already in the market and I do not know.
TsaebehT said:... actually you don't focus on the mirror, you focus past the mirror. If you're looking at yourself in the mirror, you're actually focusing at twice the distance of yourself to the mirror. Don't believe me? Put your hand on the mirror and try to focus on both your hand and your face at the same time. ;)


Right, that is true. My interest about head mounted display tech have increased.

I wonder why there is no laptop using this procedure (even if you need to wear special glasses or add a clip to your existing ones). Eyestrain is a very important factor for some people (e.g. myself), and maybe trying with fresnel lenses or some kind of optics to increase the size of the final picture (besides depth) could be very interesting. Maybe even there is a similar product already in the market and I do not know.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#10
Posted 02/27/2015 09:53 AM   
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