Quote from the FAQ section of this forum in ref to anaglyph stereo.
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), [u][i][b]but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.][/b][/i][/u]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
Quote from the FAQ section of this forum in ref to anaglyph stereo.
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
I agree. I have worked in just about all forms of stereo 3D (polar, cross eyed (lornyette), shutter glasses, HMD, and anaglyph) and my opinion is that anaglyph is great, but it isn't the best. It most certainly doesn't display everything in poor b/w images! Even an old game like the mod for the old Quake 1 displays everything in glorious anaglyph stereo 3d!
I agree. I have worked in just about all forms of stereo 3D (polar, cross eyed (lornyette), shutter glasses, HMD, and anaglyph) and my opinion is that anaglyph is great, but it isn't the best. It most certainly doesn't display everything in poor b/w images! Even an old game like the mod for the old Quake 1 displays everything in glorious anaglyph stereo 3d!
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I've been using anaglyph glasses now for over a year on a CRT projector setup. I used to have shutter glasses but wanted a good home cinema projector for watching movies and soon started using it for stereo 3d gaming as well.
I can really recommend getting a good set of plastic red/cyan glasses, like the anachrome glasses.
I have also noticed that tweaking the colors on the display (the projector in my case) can improve stereo separation quite a bit. I have properly calibrated my projector for DVD playback but found that there were better settings available than good DVD color calibration to use for anaglyph gaming. Basically, more color saturation produced better results.
The only problem with anaglyph glasses is when pure red or pure cyan colors are included in the image displayed. For example red ferraris or brake light on cars in racing simulations causes a bit of eye strain.
I have always wanted Nvidia to include a so called half-color mode for anaglyph stereo. It is a technique where all colors in the original image are de-saturated a bit so they will not interfear with the color-coded image produced by in anaglyph separation process. That would reduce ghosting and eye-strain even further.
I've been using anaglyph glasses now for over a year on a CRT projector setup. I used to have shutter glasses but wanted a good home cinema projector for watching movies and soon started using it for stereo 3d gaming as well.
I can really recommend getting a good set of plastic red/cyan glasses, like the anachrome glasses.
I have also noticed that tweaking the colors on the display (the projector in my case) can improve stereo separation quite a bit. I have properly calibrated my projector for DVD playback but found that there were better settings available than good DVD color calibration to use for anaglyph gaming. Basically, more color saturation produced better results.
The only problem with anaglyph glasses is when pure red or pure cyan colors are included in the image displayed. For example red ferraris or brake light on cars in racing simulations causes a bit of eye strain.
I have always wanted Nvidia to include a so called half-color mode for anaglyph stereo. It is a technique where all colors in the original image are de-saturated a bit so they will not interfear with the color-coded image produced by in anaglyph separation process. That would reduce ghosting and eye-strain even further.
[quote name='NITRO1250' date='Mar 14 2007, 05:56 AM']I agree. I have worked in just about all forms of stereo 3D (polar, cross eyed (lornyette), shutter glasses, HMD, and anaglyph) and my opinion is that anaglyph is great, but it isn't the best. It most certainly doesn't display everything in poor b/w images! Even an old game like the mod for the old Quake 1 displays everything in glorious anaglyph stereo 3d!
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[/quote]I don't know, everyone sees color differently. And not every display has a properly adjustable cyan level, I always saw cyan ghosts through my red lens.
Have you tried polarized? I just ordered my second Projector and am going to try polarized projection (2x lumenlab.com evo projector $499 + free shipping + $30 bulbs + 1 year/6000 hour bulb replacement included warranty).
I should think that it would be the next best thing to HMD because others can enjoy it too and it is cheaper than most HMD's with a higher resolution than a lot of them. Plus there is something to be said about an 80" screen that helps with the immersion, even when it isn't stereoscopic.
[quote name='NITRO1250' date='Mar 14 2007, 05:56 AM']I agree. I have worked in just about all forms of stereo 3D (polar, cross eyed (lornyette), shutter glasses, HMD, and anaglyph) and my opinion is that anaglyph is great, but it isn't the best. It most certainly doesn't display everything in poor b/w images! Even an old game like the mod for the old Quake 1 displays everything in glorious anaglyph stereo 3d!
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I don't know, everyone sees color differently. And not every display has a properly adjustable cyan level, I always saw cyan ghosts through my red lens.
Have you tried polarized? I just ordered my second Projector and am going to try polarized projection (2x lumenlab.com evo projector $499 + free shipping + $30 bulbs + 1 year/6000 hour bulb replacement included warranty).
I should think that it would be the next best thing to HMD because others can enjoy it too and it is cheaper than most HMD's with a higher resolution than a lot of them. Plus there is something to be said about an 80" screen that helps with the immersion, even when it isn't stereoscopic.
Nice. I don't have the wall projection space for something like that... But I would like to upgrade! How much did they hit you for the polar filters? Are you going vert/horz or spiral filter?
Nice. I don't have the wall projection space for something like that... But I would like to upgrade! How much did they hit you for the polar filters? Are you going vert/horz or spiral filter?
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[quote name='slipstream' date='Mar 14 2007, 09:34 AM']Quote from the FAQ section of this forum in ref to anaglyph stereo.
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), [u][i][b]but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.][/b][/i][/u]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
uhm ... I see there a strong case of misconception
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
in case of Quake 1 & 2, it was rather a lucky incident, that the game was sort of completely held in brown shades, because brown is a combination of red and green (dark yellow to be more specific) and consequently, wearing red/green glasses led to a similar impression as it was without the anaglyph glasses
admittedly, calling the image "black and white" or "grey scale" is completely off the record as well, they should rather have said that the visuals will be limited to two colors and their respective combinations, calling it "duo tone" or whatever
[quote name='slipstream' date='Mar 14 2007, 09:34 AM']Quote from the FAQ section of this forum in ref to anaglyph stereo.
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
uhm ... I see there a strong case of misconception
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
in case of Quake 1 & 2, it was rather a lucky incident, that the game was sort of completely held in brown shades, because brown is a combination of red and green (dark yellow to be more specific) and consequently, wearing red/green glasses led to a similar impression as it was without the anaglyph glasses
admittedly, calling the image "black and white" or "grey scale" is completely off the record as well, they should rather have said that the visuals will be limited to two colors and their respective combinations, calling it "duo tone" or whatever
[quote name='NITRO1250' date='Mar 16 2007, 06:57 AM']Nice. I don't have the wall projection space for something like that... But I would like to upgrade! How much did they hit you for the polar filters? Are you going vert/horz or spiral filter?
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[/quote]http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized
$32 for a pair of 3" polarizers, 3 paper viewers, and 2 plastic viewers and shipping pretty cheap.
From what I understand the projector is already polarized because that is how LCD technology works (not sure, but I think the charge re-aligns the liquid into phase with the polarizer, I'm probably wrong though). At 45 degrees.
The commercially available polarizing glasses are set at 45 degrees left and right, so I may be able to mount one Projector upside-down and the other right-side up, I need to get it all here so I can see how it will work. With polarizing you have to test it all yourself.
Sorry for the OT.
Like I say, everyone percieves color differently and due to fatigue (likely to be experienced when testing stereoscopic 3D), your brain can do strange things, depending on which eye is stronger and if they respond differently to color.
I got a rainbow effect that looks like gray-scale is spinning with colors, but I was tired when I found this thread and grabbed my anaglyph sheets from the desk.
But yes, gray-scale is ridiculous, although I doubt people believe putting on colored glasses will make you see gray (??), stranger things have happened.
[quote name='NITRO1250' date='Mar 16 2007, 06:57 AM']Nice. I don't have the wall projection space for something like that... But I would like to upgrade! How much did they hit you for the polar filters? Are you going vert/horz or spiral filter?
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http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized
$32 for a pair of 3" polarizers, 3 paper viewers, and 2 plastic viewers and shipping pretty cheap.
From what I understand the projector is already polarized because that is how LCD technology works (not sure, but I think the charge re-aligns the liquid into phase with the polarizer, I'm probably wrong though). At 45 degrees.
The commercially available polarizing glasses are set at 45 degrees left and right, so I may be able to mount one Projector upside-down and the other right-side up, I need to get it all here so I can see how it will work. With polarizing you have to test it all yourself.
Sorry for the OT.
Like I say, everyone percieves color differently and due to fatigue (likely to be experienced when testing stereoscopic 3D), your brain can do strange things, depending on which eye is stronger and if they respond differently to color.
I got a rainbow effect that looks like gray-scale is spinning with colors, but I was tired when I found this thread and grabbed my anaglyph sheets from the desk.
But yes, gray-scale is ridiculous, although I doubt people believe putting on colored glasses will make you see gray (??), stranger things have happened.
[quote name='Maggi' date='Mar 16 2007, 07:05 AM']uhm ... I see there a strong case of misconception
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
[/quote]
Maggi,
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
[quote name='Maggi' date='Mar 16 2007, 07:05 AM']uhm ... I see there a strong case of misconception
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
Maggi,
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
Cheers,
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
Cheers,
ByteMyzer
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I think it is appropriate to offer some information about the latest "modality"
of the Anachrome type glasses. They have recently been improved in several
respects. (A) a new design with larger filters in a somewhat retro "AVIATOR"
style. These work better with a second pair of glasses, such as the perscription
lenses some people need. The red filter has been reformulated to pass more
light, but not ghost. It still has the 1/2 positive diopter that sharpens the red image,
matching the focus in the cyan.
(B) Unique among all competitive glasses, the new AVIATOR PLUS GLASSES,
for the first time are offered with removable one power suplimentary lens for
both eyes. They can also be ordered with a 1.5 power suppliment pair for both eyes. The buyer just specifiies their preference, when ordering. If you are dealing
with a computer screen below 30 inches in width, the chances are that the extra
low power diopter for both eyes will sharpen the picture. I know as a fact that
Dreamworks Animation Studios is now providing these to their team of animators
for certain parts of their production regime. Maybe scratch sequences, in progress.
I'll try to find out the application. I personally have been using these better glasses
for about 5 weeks, and would never go back to any alternative. I can look at anaglyph images, and simultaneous read the finest print displayed. I would say
the diffenece might be 4 times more resolution than without the lens inserts.
end user to fine tune the ghosting to suit their version of perfect. A little colder
look, no ghosting. A warmer look without the gels, a split with the intermediate values. These glasses are sold for 2 for $20 within the U.S. and a $2 premium for sales/ with mailing to Canada and European Union. There are hundreds and hundreds of Anachrome sample images on Flickr, that display at a huge file size,
I'd suggest you check these images out if you get access to the newer Anachrome
"googles". Just a word about the spacing in display. With the advent of modern
digital polarized theater projection, and forcast by the Anachrome technique, the
studios like Disney and Dreamworks are not going with the old fashioned over-kill
spacing that puts anaglyph images in a bad light. Try something similar in your displays. It is amazing how good a color anaglyph can look if it is displayed in
TIGHT REGISTER! Thanks for reading all this! and yes, I'm Allan Silliphant the
Anachrome Guy, and I,m always trying to make a better product, for the sake of
Another question, can I hotkey and swap left/right every 15min to prevent overwork of color cones in the eyes? I would like to game and not have the color bleed effect be all crappy, AKA when I am done using them I don't want to have majorly tinted views out of each eye.
I am assuming these goggles don't allow that, although it is nice to see that the ghosting and bleed issues are being tended to.
Another question, can I hotkey and swap left/right every 15min to prevent overwork of color cones in the eyes? I would like to game and not have the color bleed effect be all crappy, AKA when I am done using them I don't want to have majorly tinted views out of each eye.
I am assuming these goggles don't allow that, although it is nice to see that the ghosting and bleed issues are being tended to.
[quote name='3dallan' date='Apr 15 2007, 02:06 AM']I think it is appropriate to offer some information about the latest "modality"
of the Anachrome type glasses. They have recently been improved in several
respects. (A) a new design with larger filters in a somewhat retro "AVIATOR"
style. These work better with a second pair of glasses, such as the perscription
lenses some people need. The red filter has been reformulated to pass more
light, but not ghost. It still has the 1/2 positive diopter that sharpens the red image,
matching the focus in the cyan.
(B) Unique among all competitive glasses, the new AVIATOR PLUS GLASSES,
for the first time are offered with removable one power suplimentary lens for
both eyes. They can also be ordered with a 1.5 power suppliment pair for both eyes. The buyer just specifiies their preference, when ordering. If you are dealing
with a computer screen below 30 inches in width, the chances are that the extra
low power diopter for both eyes will sharpen the picture. I know as a fact that
Dreamworks Animation Studios is now providing these to their team of animators
for certain parts of their production regime. Maybe scratch sequences, in progress.
I'll try to find out the application. I personally have been using these better glasses
for about 5 weeks, and would never go back to any alternative. I can look at anaglyph images, and simultaneous read the finest print displayed. I would say
the diffenece might be 4 times more resolution than without the lens inserts.
end user to fine tune the ghosting to suit their version of perfect. A little colder
look, no ghosting. A warmer look without the gels, a split with the intermediate values. These glasses are sold for 2 for $20 within the U.S. and a $2 premium for sales/ with mailing to Canada and European Union. There are hundreds and hundreds of Anachrome sample images on Flickr, that display at a huge file size,
I'd suggest you check these images out if you get access to the newer Anachrome
"googles". Just a word about the spacing in display. With the advent of modern
digital polarized theater projection, and forcast by the Anachrome technique, the
studios like Disney and Dreamworks are not going with the old fashioned over-kill
spacing that puts anaglyph images in a bad light. Try something similar in your displays. It is amazing how good a color anaglyph can look if it is displayed in
TIGHT REGISTER! Thanks for reading all this! and yes, I'm Allan Silliphant the
Anachrome Guy, and I,m always trying to make a better product, for the sake of
One more thing - concerning colour - If u look at the colours being used in the setup, the Left lense is total red (255 red), and the "blue" right lens is actually full green and full blue. - Therefore you have all 3 colours needed to create any other colour, which is why the red/blue glasses produce a full colour image - it just seems wacky as your brain must combine the red from the left, and blue green from right, so your "brain" thinks it sees a colour image.
If you dont see this, you may have corrupt drivers in your brain - perhaps a reboot and re-install could help ?
One more thing - concerning colour - If u look at the colours being used in the setup, the Left lense is total red (255 red), and the "blue" right lens is actually full green and full blue. - Therefore you have all 3 colours needed to create any other colour, which is why the red/blue glasses produce a full colour image - it just seems wacky as your brain must combine the red from the left, and blue green from right, so your "brain" thinks it sees a colour image.
If you dont see this, you may have corrupt drivers in your brain - perhaps a reboot and re-install could help ?
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), [u][i][b]but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.][/b][/i][/u]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
[url="http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/3dflying.htm"]http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=ma...to/3dflying.htm[/url]
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=ma...to/3dflying.htm
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32-in Samsung HDTV
I've been using anaglyph glasses now for over a year on a CRT projector setup. I used to have shutter glasses but wanted a good home cinema projector for watching movies and soon started using it for stereo 3d gaming as well.
I can really recommend getting a good set of plastic red/cyan glasses, like the anachrome glasses.
I have also noticed that tweaking the colors on the display (the projector in my case) can improve stereo separation quite a bit. I have properly calibrated my projector for DVD playback but found that there were better settings available than good DVD color calibration to use for anaglyph gaming. Basically, more color saturation produced better results.
The only problem with anaglyph glasses is when pure red or pure cyan colors are included in the image displayed. For example red ferraris or brake light on cars in racing simulations causes a bit of eye strain.
I have always wanted Nvidia to include a so called half-color mode for anaglyph stereo. It is a technique where all colors in the original image are de-saturated a bit so they will not interfear with the color-coded image produced by in anaglyph separation process. That would reduce ghosting and eye-strain even further.
/Linus
I've been using anaglyph glasses now for over a year on a CRT projector setup. I used to have shutter glasses but wanted a good home cinema projector for watching movies and soon started using it for stereo 3d gaming as well.
I can really recommend getting a good set of plastic red/cyan glasses, like the anachrome glasses.
I have also noticed that tweaking the colors on the display (the projector in my case) can improve stereo separation quite a bit. I have properly calibrated my projector for DVD playback but found that there were better settings available than good DVD color calibration to use for anaglyph gaming. Basically, more color saturation produced better results.
The only problem with anaglyph glasses is when pure red or pure cyan colors are included in the image displayed. For example red ferraris or brake light on cars in racing simulations causes a bit of eye strain.
I have always wanted Nvidia to include a so called half-color mode for anaglyph stereo. It is a technique where all colors in the original image are de-saturated a bit so they will not interfear with the color-coded image produced by in anaglyph separation process. That would reduce ghosting and eye-strain even further.
/Linus
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[/quote]I don't know, everyone sees color differently. And not every display has a properly adjustable cyan level, I always saw cyan ghosts through my red lens.
Have you tried polarized? I just ordered my second Projector and am going to try polarized projection (2x lumenlab.com evo projector $499 + free shipping + $30 bulbs + 1 year/6000 hour bulb replacement included warranty).
I should think that it would be the next best thing to HMD because others can enjoy it too and it is cheaper than most HMD's with a higher resolution than a lot of them. Plus there is something to be said about an 80" screen that helps with the immersion, even when it isn't stereoscopic.
I don't know, everyone sees color differently. And not every display has a properly adjustable cyan level, I always saw cyan ghosts through my red lens.
Have you tried polarized? I just ordered my second Projector and am going to try polarized projection (2x lumenlab.com evo projector $499 + free shipping + $30 bulbs + 1 year/6000 hour bulb replacement included warranty).
I should think that it would be the next best thing to HMD because others can enjoy it too and it is cheaper than most HMD's with a higher resolution than a lot of them. Plus there is something to be said about an 80" screen that helps with the immersion, even when it isn't stereoscopic.
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ASUS Striker Extreme motherboard
EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS + ATi Sapphire Radeon X850 XT (yes, in the same computer; nVidia TV out stinks, but ATi rocks with it!!!)
4 GB GSkill DDR800
5x HDDs (three 320GB (RAID5); two 1TB; one IDE 320GB; total 3TB)
2x Cooler Master 6 HDD coolers (primary usage drives)
2x PSU's (primary 600W psu, secondary 350W psu modded solely to power the ATi card)
32-in Samsung HDTV
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), [u][i][b]but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.][/b][/i][/u]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
[url="http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/3dflying.htm"]http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=ma...to/3dflying.htm[/url]
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[/quote]
uhm ... I see there a strong case of misconception
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
in case of Quake 1 & 2, it was rather a lucky incident, that the game was sort of completely held in brown shades, because brown is a combination of red and green (dark yellow to be more specific) and consequently, wearing red/green glasses led to a similar impression as it was without the anaglyph glasses
admittedly, calling the image "black and white" or "grey scale" is completely off the record as well, they should rather have said that the visuals will be limited to two colors and their respective combinations, calling it "duo tone" or whatever
just my 2 cents ...
Maggi
[This is extremely cheap (a couple of bucks), but produces poor quality images in grey-scale only.]
The last part is absolute rubbish, you can still see most of the colour in any anaglyph image. Read the link below and save yourselves alot of money and eyestrain.
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=ma...to/3dflying.htm
uhm ... I see there a strong case of misconception
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
in case of Quake 1 & 2, it was rather a lucky incident, that the game was sort of completely held in brown shades, because brown is a combination of red and green (dark yellow to be more specific) and consequently, wearing red/green glasses led to a similar impression as it was without the anaglyph glasses
admittedly, calling the image "black and white" or "grey scale" is completely off the record as well, they should rather have said that the visuals will be limited to two colors and their respective combinations, calling it "duo tone" or whatever
just my 2 cents ...
Maggi
On a different note, I cannot get anaglyph to work on my system. I am using TH2GO and I think the driver is un-compatible..
Can anybody help me out? Thanks.
On a different note, I cannot get anaglyph to work on my system. I am using TH2GO and I think the driver is un-compatible..
Can anybody help me out? Thanks.
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[/quote]http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized
$32 for a pair of 3" polarizers, 3 paper viewers, and 2 plastic viewers and shipping pretty cheap.
From what I understand the projector is already polarized because that is how LCD technology works (not sure, but I think the charge re-aligns the liquid into phase with the polarizer, I'm probably wrong though). At 45 degrees.
The commercially available polarizing glasses are set at 45 degrees left and right, so I may be able to mount one Projector upside-down and the other right-side up, I need to get it all here so I can see how it will work. With polarizing you have to test it all yourself.
Sorry for the OT.
Like I say, everyone percieves color differently and due to fatigue (likely to be experienced when testing stereoscopic 3D), your brain can do strange things, depending on which eye is stronger and if they respond differently to color.
I got a rainbow effect that looks like gray-scale is spinning with colors, but I was tired when I found this thread and grabbed my anaglyph sheets from the desk.
But yes, gray-scale is ridiculous, although I doubt people believe putting on colored glasses will make you see gray (??), stranger things have happened.
http://www.berezin.com/3d/3dglasses.htm#Polarized
$32 for a pair of 3" polarizers, 3 paper viewers, and 2 plastic viewers and shipping pretty cheap.
From what I understand the projector is already polarized because that is how LCD technology works (not sure, but I think the charge re-aligns the liquid into phase with the polarizer, I'm probably wrong though). At 45 degrees.
The commercially available polarizing glasses are set at 45 degrees left and right, so I may be able to mount one Projector upside-down and the other right-side up, I need to get it all here so I can see how it will work. With polarizing you have to test it all yourself.
Sorry for the OT.
Like I say, everyone percieves color differently and due to fatigue (likely to be experienced when testing stereoscopic 3D), your brain can do strange things, depending on which eye is stronger and if they respond differently to color.
I got a rainbow effect that looks like gray-scale is spinning with colors, but I was tired when I found this thread and grabbed my anaglyph sheets from the desk.
But yes, gray-scale is ridiculous, although I doubt people believe putting on colored glasses will make you see gray (??), stranger things have happened.
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
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Maggi,
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
Cheers,
ByteMyzer
anaglyph glasses are meant to filter all colors, except for the two that are used to show the two different perspectives
as a result, you cannot see any other colors than the combination of the two colors used on the glasses will allow
Maggi,
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
Cheers,
ByteMyzer
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
Cheers,
ByteMyzer
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I think it is appropriate to offer some information about the latest "modality"
of the Anachrome type glasses. They have recently been improved in several
respects. (A) a new design with larger filters in a somewhat retro "AVIATOR"
style. These work better with a second pair of glasses, such as the perscription
lenses some people need. The red filter has been reformulated to pass more
light, but not ghost. It still has the 1/2 positive diopter that sharpens the red image,
matching the focus in the cyan.
(B) Unique among all competitive glasses, the new AVIATOR PLUS GLASSES,
for the first time are offered with removable one power suplimentary lens for
both eyes. They can also be ordered with a 1.5 power suppliment pair for both eyes. The buyer just specifiies their preference, when ordering. If you are dealing
with a computer screen below 30 inches in width, the chances are that the extra
low power diopter for both eyes will sharpen the picture. I know as a fact that
Dreamworks Animation Studios is now providing these to their team of animators
for certain parts of their production regime. Maybe scratch sequences, in progress.
I'll try to find out the application. I personally have been using these better glasses
for about 5 weeks, and would never go back to any alternative. I can look at anaglyph images, and simultaneous read the finest print displayed. I would say
the diffenece might be 4 times more resolution than without the lens inserts.
© The users are provided a set of 3 flexible, slide in, gel filters, that allow the
end user to fine tune the ghosting to suit their version of perfect. A little colder
look, no ghosting. A warmer look without the gels, a split with the intermediate values. These glasses are sold for 2 for $20 within the U.S. and a $2 premium for sales/ with mailing to Canada and European Union. There are hundreds and hundreds of Anachrome sample images on Flickr, that display at a huge file size,
I'd suggest you check these images out if you get access to the newer Anachrome
"googles". Just a word about the spacing in display. With the advent of modern
digital polarized theater projection, and forcast by the Anachrome technique, the
studios like Disney and Dreamworks are not going with the old fashioned over-kill
spacing that puts anaglyph images in a bad light. Try something similar in your displays. It is amazing how good a color anaglyph can look if it is displayed in
TIGHT REGISTER! Thanks for reading all this! and yes, I'm Allan Silliphant the
Anachrome Guy, and I,m always trying to make a better product, for the sake of
doing something the right way!
This is not entirely accurate, either. The only anaglyphs which are significantly limited to only two colors are those viewed with RED/GREEN glasses. RED/BLUE glasses allow not only Red and Blue light through the respective lenses but also a limited amount of Green through the Blue lens, and RED/CYAN allow for combinations of all three primary colors, Red, Green and Blue (Red through the Red lens, and Green and Blue through the Cyan lens).
Anaglyphs created for/viewed through the RED/CYAN lenses allow for a much wider range of color combinations than those which can be rendered through two colors alone. This is what makes Color Anaglyphic reproduction possible.
Due to the inherently subtractive nature of color filters, it is not possible to accurately represent ALL colors accurately in a Color Anaglyph, but with the proper processing, it is possible to render an impressive approximation in most cases.
If you do a search on the web for "color" and "anaglyph", you are sure to get a plethora of information on the many and varied techniques and theories of Color Anaglyphic reproduction.
Cheers,
ByteMyzer
I think it is appropriate to offer some information about the latest "modality"
of the Anachrome type glasses. They have recently been improved in several
respects. (A) a new design with larger filters in a somewhat retro "AVIATOR"
style. These work better with a second pair of glasses, such as the perscription
lenses some people need. The red filter has been reformulated to pass more
light, but not ghost. It still has the 1/2 positive diopter that sharpens the red image,
matching the focus in the cyan.
(B) Unique among all competitive glasses, the new AVIATOR PLUS GLASSES,
for the first time are offered with removable one power suplimentary lens for
both eyes. They can also be ordered with a 1.5 power suppliment pair for both eyes. The buyer just specifiies their preference, when ordering. If you are dealing
with a computer screen below 30 inches in width, the chances are that the extra
low power diopter for both eyes will sharpen the picture. I know as a fact that
Dreamworks Animation Studios is now providing these to their team of animators
for certain parts of their production regime. Maybe scratch sequences, in progress.
I'll try to find out the application. I personally have been using these better glasses
for about 5 weeks, and would never go back to any alternative. I can look at anaglyph images, and simultaneous read the finest print displayed. I would say
the diffenece might be 4 times more resolution than without the lens inserts.
© The users are provided a set of 3 flexible, slide in, gel filters, that allow the
end user to fine tune the ghosting to suit their version of perfect. A little colder
look, no ghosting. A warmer look without the gels, a split with the intermediate values. These glasses are sold for 2 for $20 within the U.S. and a $2 premium for sales/ with mailing to Canada and European Union. There are hundreds and hundreds of Anachrome sample images on Flickr, that display at a huge file size,
I'd suggest you check these images out if you get access to the newer Anachrome
"googles". Just a word about the spacing in display. With the advent of modern
digital polarized theater projection, and forcast by the Anachrome technique, the
studios like Disney and Dreamworks are not going with the old fashioned over-kill
spacing that puts anaglyph images in a bad light. Try something similar in your displays. It is amazing how good a color anaglyph can look if it is displayed in
TIGHT REGISTER! Thanks for reading all this! and yes, I'm Allan Silliphant the
Anachrome Guy, and I,m always trying to make a better product, for the sake of
doing something the right way!
Another question, can I hotkey and swap left/right every 15min to prevent overwork of color cones in the eyes? I would like to game and not have the color bleed effect be all crappy, AKA when I am done using them I don't want to have majorly tinted views out of each eye.
I am assuming these goggles don't allow that, although it is nice to see that the ghosting and bleed issues are being tended to.
Another question, can I hotkey and swap left/right every 15min to prevent overwork of color cones in the eyes? I would like to game and not have the color bleed effect be all crappy, AKA when I am done using them I don't want to have majorly tinted views out of each eye.
I am assuming these goggles don't allow that, although it is nice to see that the ghosting and bleed issues are being tended to.
of the Anachrome type glasses. They have recently been improved in several
respects. (A) a new design with larger filters in a somewhat retro "AVIATOR"
style. These work better with a second pair of glasses, such as the perscription
lenses some people need. The red filter has been reformulated to pass more
light, but not ghost. It still has the 1/2 positive diopter that sharpens the red image,
matching the focus in the cyan.
(B) Unique among all competitive glasses, the new AVIATOR PLUS GLASSES,
for the first time are offered with removable one power suplimentary lens for
both eyes. They can also be ordered with a 1.5 power suppliment pair for both eyes. The buyer just specifiies their preference, when ordering. If you are dealing
with a computer screen below 30 inches in width, the chances are that the extra
low power diopter for both eyes will sharpen the picture. I know as a fact that
Dreamworks Animation Studios is now providing these to their team of animators
for certain parts of their production regime. Maybe scratch sequences, in progress.
I'll try to find out the application. I personally have been using these better glasses
for about 5 weeks, and would never go back to any alternative. I can look at anaglyph images, and simultaneous read the finest print displayed. I would say
the diffenece might be 4 times more resolution than without the lens inserts.
© The users are provided a set of 3 flexible, slide in, gel filters, that allow the
end user to fine tune the ghosting to suit their version of perfect. A little colder
look, no ghosting. A warmer look without the gels, a split with the intermediate values. These glasses are sold for 2 for $20 within the U.S. and a $2 premium for sales/ with mailing to Canada and European Union. There are hundreds and hundreds of Anachrome sample images on Flickr, that display at a huge file size,
I'd suggest you check these images out if you get access to the newer Anachrome
"googles". Just a word about the spacing in display. With the advent of modern
digital polarized theater projection, and forcast by the Anachrome technique, the
studios like Disney and Dreamworks are not going with the old fashioned over-kill
spacing that puts anaglyph images in a bad light. Try something similar in your displays. It is amazing how good a color anaglyph can look if it is displayed in
TIGHT REGISTER! Thanks for reading all this! and yes, I'm Allan Silliphant the
Anachrome Guy, and I,m always trying to make a better product, for the sake of
doing something the right way!
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of the Anachrome type glasses. They have recently been improved in several
respects. (A) a new design with larger filters in a somewhat retro "AVIATOR"
style. These work better with a second pair of glasses, such as the perscription
lenses some people need. The red filter has been reformulated to pass more
light, but not ghost. It still has the 1/2 positive diopter that sharpens the red image,
matching the focus in the cyan.
(B) Unique among all competitive glasses, the new AVIATOR PLUS GLASSES,
for the first time are offered with removable one power suplimentary lens for
both eyes. They can also be ordered with a 1.5 power suppliment pair for both eyes. The buyer just specifiies their preference, when ordering. If you are dealing
with a computer screen below 30 inches in width, the chances are that the extra
low power diopter for both eyes will sharpen the picture. I know as a fact that
Dreamworks Animation Studios is now providing these to their team of animators
for certain parts of their production regime. Maybe scratch sequences, in progress.
I'll try to find out the application. I personally have been using these better glasses
for about 5 weeks, and would never go back to any alternative. I can look at anaglyph images, and simultaneous read the finest print displayed. I would say
the diffenece might be 4 times more resolution than without the lens inserts.
© The users are provided a set of 3 flexible, slide in, gel filters, that allow the
end user to fine tune the ghosting to suit their version of perfect. A little colder
look, no ghosting. A warmer look without the gels, a split with the intermediate values. These glasses are sold for 2 for $20 within the U.S. and a $2 premium for sales/ with mailing to Canada and European Union. There are hundreds and hundreds of Anachrome sample images on Flickr, that display at a huge file size,
I'd suggest you check these images out if you get access to the newer Anachrome
"googles". Just a word about the spacing in display. With the advent of modern
digital polarized theater projection, and forcast by the Anachrome technique, the
studios like Disney and Dreamworks are not going with the old fashioned over-kill
spacing that puts anaglyph images in a bad light. Try something similar in your displays. It is amazing how good a color anaglyph can look if it is displayed in
TIGHT REGISTER! Thanks for reading all this! and yes, I'm Allan Silliphant the
Anachrome Guy, and I,m always trying to make a better product, for the sake of
doing something the right way!
If you dont see this, you may have corrupt drivers in your brain - perhaps a reboot and re-install could help ?
If you dont see this, you may have corrupt drivers in your brain - perhaps a reboot and re-install could help ?