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Optima and other projectors are fine but nvidia chooses not to support for some reason ($). If Optima paid nvidia all there 3d projectors would work. They do work but they are blocked from use in the driver. This is because unvidia thinks they are owed money from optima for making a product that works with their product and they owe us nothing for buying there product. It's like asking the derry farmer to pay the wheat farmer because he needs people to buy bread to use his butter.
truly disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrew optima, acer,veiwsonic and others are not your customers we are. You are as good as stealing when you take away support so you can get your real customers to bug another company for money to add support.

imho of course.

But the lack of response would make me believe I am correct.

May you get exactly what you deserve
Optima and other projectors are fine but nvidia chooses not to support for some reason ($). If Optima paid nvidia all there 3d projectors would work. They do work but they are blocked from use in the driver. This is because unvidia thinks they are owed money from optima for making a product that works with their product and they owe us nothing for buying there product. It's like asking the derry farmer to pay the wheat farmer because he needs people to buy bread to use his butter.

truly disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!



Andrew optima, acer,veiwsonic and others are not your customers we are. You are as good as stealing when you take away support so you can get your real customers to bug another company for money to add support.



imho of course.



But the lack of response would make me believe I am correct.



May you get exactly what you deserve

#1
Posted 04/08/2010 09:47 AM   
I am also convinced that it is merely a licensing issue and not a technical issue. Especially now that many users have been able to bypass EDID detection with the latest drivers and don't appear to have any problems. My Optoma works well with 1.15 drivers so given all of the evidence this appears to be some monetary licensing issue instead of a technical one. I just don't buy into the theory that all 3D Ready Projectors are fundamentally different from each other and must be qualified...
I am also convinced that it is merely a licensing issue and not a technical issue. Especially now that many users have been able to bypass EDID detection with the latest drivers and don't appear to have any problems. My Optoma works well with 1.15 drivers so given all of the evidence this appears to be some monetary licensing issue instead of a technical one. I just don't buy into the theory that all 3D Ready Projectors are fundamentally different from each other and must be qualified...

#2
Posted 04/08/2010 12:29 PM   
What did I miss here guys? Did Nv promise support for this projector prior to your purchase then withold all support therefore leave you hanging in no man's land?

In my case, it was the promise of "generic DLP TV" support then a sudden droppage for half a year (which was blamed on the driver detection bug, right, sure Nv, we are all morons here) and I was also frustrated and pissed off at Nv to no end- and it wasn't the first time either. But for projectors, I didn't see any Optima was promised support as per their list ( direct excerpt from Nv page below), it is obvious that Nv wants money from hardware manufacturers but that is their protected right of doing business (regardless of whether it's a sound business decision or not the market - that's us, consumers- will sort it out in the end.)

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<LI>Projectors [list]
[*][url="http://us.acer.com/acer/seu30e.do?LanguageISOCtxParam=en&link=ln374e&CountryISOCtxParam=US&acond125e=66152&kcond48e.c2att101=66152&sp=page17e&ctx1g.c2att92=263&ctx2.c2att1=0&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=3497528471"]Acer X1130P[/url]
[*][url="http://us.acer.com/acer/seu30e.do?LanguageISOCtxParam=en&link=ln374e&CountryISOCtxParam=US&acond125e=64638&kcond48e.c2att101=64638&sp=page17e&ctx1g.c2att92=455&ctx2.c2att1=25&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=1056523612"]Acer X1261[/url]
[*][url="http://www.acer.ch/acer/seu30e.do?LanguageISOCtxParam=de&link=ln374e&CountryISOCtxParam=CH&acond125e=68670&kcond48e.c2att101=68670&sp=page17e&ctx1g.c2att92=281&ctx2.c2att1=16&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=3749398712"]Acer H5360[/url]
[*][url="http://www.depthq.com/projector.html"]DepthQ® HD 3D Projector[/url] by LightSpeed Design, Inc.
[*]DQ-3120 by LightSpeed Design, Inc.
[*]ViewSonic PJD-6210-3D
[*][url="http://www.viewsonic.com/products/projectors/pjd62203d.htm"]ViewSonic PJD-6220-3D[/url]
[*][url="http://www.viewsonic.com/products/projectors/pjd5351.htm"]ViewSonic PJD-PJD5351-3D[/url]
[*][url="http://www.viewsonic.com/products/projectors/pjd5111.htm"]ViewSonic PJD-PJD5111-3D[/url]
[/list]========================End excerpt================
What did I miss here guys? Did Nv promise support for this projector prior to your purchase then withold all support therefore leave you hanging in no man's land?



In my case, it was the promise of "generic DLP TV" support then a sudden droppage for half a year (which was blamed on the driver detection bug, right, sure Nv, we are all morons here) and I was also frustrated and pissed off at Nv to no end- and it wasn't the first time either. But for projectors, I didn't see any Optima was promised support as per their list ( direct excerpt from Nv page below), it is obvious that Nv wants money from hardware manufacturers but that is their protected right of doing business (regardless of whether it's a sound business decision or not the market - that's us, consumers- will sort it out in the end.)



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<LI>Projectors ========================End excerpt================

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#3
Posted 04/08/2010 03:36 PM   
The issue is quite simple. It works in 1.15 drivers by selecting generic CRT, which you can't do in any driver since then. This essentially means that they added code to their drivers to EXCLUDE certain types of displays from being detected as a generic CRT. This has been proven by many who have bypassed EDID detection and have a working solution. If Nvidia wants to qualify all the displays on the planet then have at it, but the REAL consumer is us and not the OEM's and withholding functionality as a bargaining chip to hold against stubborn OEM's that haven't gone through the 3DVision qualification process isn't a good business practice for the consumer (again, us not OEM's).

I understand Nvidia's difficult position as many of these new projectors don't even need their glasses or emitter, specifically the DLP Link enabled projectors as all they require is a 120hz frame sequential feed, and even though i already own 3DVision i wouldn't be opposed to purchasing an output license just like IZ3D does. But now they just don't allow it to function at all with no end user option to fix which is totally wrong in this end users opinion...
The issue is quite simple. It works in 1.15 drivers by selecting generic CRT, which you can't do in any driver since then. This essentially means that they added code to their drivers to EXCLUDE certain types of displays from being detected as a generic CRT. This has been proven by many who have bypassed EDID detection and have a working solution. If Nvidia wants to qualify all the displays on the planet then have at it, but the REAL consumer is us and not the OEM's and withholding functionality as a bargaining chip to hold against stubborn OEM's that haven't gone through the 3DVision qualification process isn't a good business practice for the consumer (again, us not OEM's).



I understand Nvidia's difficult position as many of these new projectors don't even need their glasses or emitter, specifically the DLP Link enabled projectors as all they require is a 120hz frame sequential feed, and even though i already own 3DVision i wouldn't be opposed to purchasing an output license just like IZ3D does. But now they just don't allow it to function at all with no end user option to fix which is totally wrong in this end users opinion...

#4
Posted 04/08/2010 04:19 PM   
Agreed that option to buy output licenses sounds reasonable and would solve this quandary for consumers. How about that Nv? It's a sensible business product when no manufacturers care to pay isn't it? But pls if you are going to sell individual outputs, try to make some more enhancements to the driver like Convergence User Presets and Auto Convergence, OSD for convergence and other wishlist items on the sticky.

[quote name='PiXeL' post='1036249' date='Apr 8 2010, 09:19 AM']...i wouldn't be opposed to purchasing an output license just like IZ3D does. But now they just don't allow it to function at all with no end user option to fix which is totally wrong in this end users opinion...[/quote]
Agreed that option to buy output licenses sounds reasonable and would solve this quandary for consumers. How about that Nv? It's a sensible business product when no manufacturers care to pay isn't it? But pls if you are going to sell individual outputs, try to make some more enhancements to the driver like Convergence User Presets and Auto Convergence, OSD for convergence and other wishlist items on the sticky.



[quote name='PiXeL' post='1036249' date='Apr 8 2010, 09:19 AM']...i wouldn't be opposed to purchasing an output license just like IZ3D does. But now they just don't allow it to function at all with no end user option to fix which is totally wrong in this end users opinion...

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#5
Posted 04/08/2010 04:34 PM   
If I had known there practices I would never have gotten vision kit in the first place. In there adds when I bought it said 120hz display needed and that is all.

This display was working on older driver with some bugs so I thought foolishly that it would be fixed. I thought that I was the important one and not Nvidia. Again foolish I know but I'm a trusting sort so I get screwed for my trust in Nvidia. Optima should not have to pay Nvidia so I can have what I had when I bought this projector which was a working solution with current drivers.

They took away my half baked support in the CRT mode so they could leverage money out of Optima and others.imo. Disgusting that they care more about that then us there customers.

to disable the edid to enable this projector it must be hooked up to a VGA cable which makes it blurry. Imho the iz3d drivers with reald ce5 glasses are better at least that is what I am using.
I also bought the Acer h5360 but the separation is so low it's not worth using with Nvidia drivers either.

Nvidia is making decisions based on greed and not to please there customers. They have a solution in there 3dtv software as far as I konw but they have yet to release it. You must ask yourself. Self why are they keeping this solution away from us?
If I had known there practices I would never have gotten vision kit in the first place. In there adds when I bought it said 120hz display needed and that is all.



This display was working on older driver with some bugs so I thought foolishly that it would be fixed. I thought that I was the important one and not Nvidia. Again foolish I know but I'm a trusting sort so I get screwed for my trust in Nvidia. Optima should not have to pay Nvidia so I can have what I had when I bought this projector which was a working solution with current drivers.



They took away my half baked support in the CRT mode so they could leverage money out of Optima and others.imo. Disgusting that they care more about that then us there customers.



to disable the edid to enable this projector it must be hooked up to a VGA cable which makes it blurry. Imho the iz3d drivers with reald ce5 glasses are better at least that is what I am using.

I also bought the Acer h5360 but the separation is so low it's not worth using with Nvidia drivers either.



Nvidia is making decisions based on greed and not to please there customers. They have a solution in there 3dtv software as far as I konw but they have yet to release it. You must ask yourself. Self why are they keeping this solution away from us?

#6
Posted 04/08/2010 05:35 PM   
Love the sense of entitlement in this thread.

Well people tend to forget, the license is basically the insurance agreement between the two companies that if something does happen the two will work together to fix it. All companies do this, not just Nvidia.

Otherwise, you get exactly what you have now. People trying to run tech on unsupported tech and b*tch about it because they believe they bought it and it should work because they have a similar system.

As long as these companies dont want to pay Nvidia for support with their TVs and Projector, Nvidia has no obligation to fix issue people have because they try getting stuff outside the requirements specs, which are very well [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Requirements.html"]documented[/url].

Common customers think they are the "REAL" customer, even though they only give 100-200 buck in a one time fee maybe once a yr or 2, while big companies pay thousands in subscription based licensing agreement. Who is providing steady cash flow here from a company standpoint.

[u][b]In the end, they are a company. All companies do it for money, not for their consumers.[/b][/u]
Love the sense of entitlement in this thread.



Well people tend to forget, the license is basically the insurance agreement between the two companies that if something does happen the two will work together to fix it. All companies do this, not just Nvidia.



Otherwise, you get exactly what you have now. People trying to run tech on unsupported tech and b*tch about it because they believe they bought it and it should work because they have a similar system.



As long as these companies dont want to pay Nvidia for support with their TVs and Projector, Nvidia has no obligation to fix issue people have because they try getting stuff outside the requirements specs, which are very well documented.



Common customers think they are the "REAL" customer, even though they only give 100-200 buck in a one time fee maybe once a yr or 2, while big companies pay thousands in subscription based licensing agreement. Who is providing steady cash flow here from a company standpoint.



In the end, they are a company. All companies do it for money, not for their consumers.

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#7
Posted 04/08/2010 05:40 PM   
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036288' date='Apr 8 2010, 01:40 PM']Love the sense of entitlement in this thread.

Well people tend to forget, the license is basically the insurance agreement between the two companies that if something does happen the two will work together to fix it. All companies do this, not just Nvidia.

Otherwise, you get exactly what you have now. People trying to run tech on unsupported tech and b*tch about it because they believe they bought it and it should work because they have a similar system.

As long as these companies dont want to pay Nvidia for support with their TVs and Projector, Nvidia has no obligation to fix issue people have because they try getting stuff outside the requirements specs, which are very well documented.

Common customers think they are the "REAL" customer, even though they only give 100-200 buck in a one time fee maybe once a yr or 2, while big companies pay thousands in subscription based licensing agreement. Who is provide steady cash flow here from a company standpoint.

[u][b]In the end, they are a company. All companies do it for money, not for their consumers.[/b][/u][/quote]


ok I will say again
" In there adds when I bought it it said 120hz display needed and that is all" It was working as a 120hz display.
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036288' date='Apr 8 2010, 01:40 PM']Love the sense of entitlement in this thread.



Well people tend to forget, the license is basically the insurance agreement between the two companies that if something does happen the two will work together to fix it. All companies do this, not just Nvidia.



Otherwise, you get exactly what you have now. People trying to run tech on unsupported tech and b*tch about it because they believe they bought it and it should work because they have a similar system.



As long as these companies dont want to pay Nvidia for support with their TVs and Projector, Nvidia has no obligation to fix issue people have because they try getting stuff outside the requirements specs, which are very well documented.



Common customers think they are the "REAL" customer, even though they only give 100-200 buck in a one time fee maybe once a yr or 2, while big companies pay thousands in subscription based licensing agreement. Who is provide steady cash flow here from a company standpoint.



In the end, they are a company. All companies do it for money, not for their consumers.





ok I will say again

" In there adds when I bought it it said 120hz display needed and that is all" It was working as a 120hz display.

#8
Posted 04/08/2010 05:47 PM   
[quote name='Crash27' post='1036292' date='Apr 8 2010, 01:47 PM']ok I will say again
" In there adds when I bought it it said 120hz display needed and that is all" It was working as a 120hz display.[/quote]

Yah it suck, marketing department dont have to display all the information upfront and can hide details using fineprint or use asterisks.

It a cruel reality we live in.
[quote name='Crash27' post='1036292' date='Apr 8 2010, 01:47 PM']ok I will say again

" In there adds when I bought it it said 120hz display needed and that is all" It was working as a 120hz display.



Yah it suck, marketing department dont have to display all the information upfront and can hide details using fineprint or use asterisks.



It a cruel reality we live in.

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#9
Posted 04/08/2010 05:58 PM   
Nvidia NEVER said it would support any 120Hz display !
That was an assumption you made in your head and that many technology news reporters also made but it was never on the product package or the official hardware requirement page.
You assumed that Nvidia would try and support every single 3D hardware, you got burned, just like all previous 3D users who used to rely blindly on Nvidia when they bought a Geforce 8 GPU 3 years ago.
Welcome to the club !
Nvidia NEVER said it would support any 120Hz display !

That was an assumption you made in your head and that many technology news reporters also made but it was never on the product package or the official hardware requirement page.

You assumed that Nvidia would try and support every single 3D hardware, you got burned, just like all previous 3D users who used to rely blindly on Nvidia when they bought a Geforce 8 GPU 3 years ago.

Welcome to the club !

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#10
Posted 04/08/2010 06:13 PM   
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036288' date='Apr 8 2010, 01:40 PM']Love the sense of entitlement in this thread.

Well people tend to forget, the license is basically the insurance agreement between the two companies that if something does happen the two will work together to fix it. All companies do this, not just Nvidia.

Otherwise, you get exactly what you have now. People trying to run tech on unsupported tech and b*tch about it because they believe they bought it and it should work because they have a similar system.

As long as these companies dont want to pay Nvidia for support with their TVs and Projector, Nvidia has no obligation to fix issue people have because they try getting stuff outside the requirements specs, which are very well documented.

Common customers think they are the "REAL" customer, even though they only give 100-200 buck in a one time fee maybe once a yr or 2, while big companies pay thousands in subscription based licensing agreement. Who is providing steady cash flow here from a company standpoint.

[u][b]In the end, they are a company. All companies do it for money, not for their consumers.[/b][/u][/quote]
Do you really believe this, bLuDrGn? I work for a very large software development organization that licenses image viewing software to organizations and end users. The software we develop runs on wintel platforms and while we have a "minimum recommended spec", it is up to the user to ensure they have the appropriate hardware and software configuration to support our applications and is based on specification alone. Under no circumstances do we make a conditional license to specific display hardware vendor. If it meets the spec, then it is enabled. In this specific case, my hardware meets or exceeds the spec to support 120hz field sequential output and is clearly proven by Nvidia's own drivers. This isn't rocket science. If my current license agreement with Nvidia (my purchase of 3DVision) isn't sufficient given the viewing scenario then again I would be happy to extend my license to include a 120hz field sequential output to a projector. But rather than allowing the end users the choice to pony up and fund the effort, they are going after the vendor and stating that the only way to get a 120hz field sequential output to work is to become a certified partner. This is unnecessary and is proven by all of those that have been able to bypass EDID detection.
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036288' date='Apr 8 2010, 01:40 PM']Love the sense of entitlement in this thread.



Well people tend to forget, the license is basically the insurance agreement between the two companies that if something does happen the two will work together to fix it. All companies do this, not just Nvidia.



Otherwise, you get exactly what you have now. People trying to run tech on unsupported tech and b*tch about it because they believe they bought it and it should work because they have a similar system.



As long as these companies dont want to pay Nvidia for support with their TVs and Projector, Nvidia has no obligation to fix issue people have because they try getting stuff outside the requirements specs, which are very well documented.



Common customers think they are the "REAL" customer, even though they only give 100-200 buck in a one time fee maybe once a yr or 2, while big companies pay thousands in subscription based licensing agreement. Who is providing steady cash flow here from a company standpoint.



In the end, they are a company. All companies do it for money, not for their consumers.

Do you really believe this, bLuDrGn? I work for a very large software development organization that licenses image viewing software to organizations and end users. The software we develop runs on wintel platforms and while we have a "minimum recommended spec", it is up to the user to ensure they have the appropriate hardware and software configuration to support our applications and is based on specification alone. Under no circumstances do we make a conditional license to specific display hardware vendor. If it meets the spec, then it is enabled. In this specific case, my hardware meets or exceeds the spec to support 120hz field sequential output and is clearly proven by Nvidia's own drivers. This isn't rocket science. If my current license agreement with Nvidia (my purchase of 3DVision) isn't sufficient given the viewing scenario then again I would be happy to extend my license to include a 120hz field sequential output to a projector. But rather than allowing the end users the choice to pony up and fund the effort, they are going after the vendor and stating that the only way to get a 120hz field sequential output to work is to become a certified partner. This is unnecessary and is proven by all of those that have been able to bypass EDID detection.

#11
Posted 04/08/2010 06:24 PM   
[quote name='PiXeL' post='1036315' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:24 PM']Do you really believe this, bLuDrGn? I work for a very large software development organization that licenses image viewing software to organizations and end users. The software we develop runs on wintel platforms and while we have a "minimum recommended spec", it is up to the user to ensure they have the appropriate hardware and software configuration to support our applications and is based on specification alone. Under no circumstances do we make a conditional license to specific display hardware vendor. If it meets the spec, then it is enabled. In this specific case, my hardware meets or exceeds the spec to support 120hz field sequential output and is clearly proven by Nvidia's own drivers. This isn't rocket science. If my current license agreement with Nvidia (my purchase of 3DVision) isn't sufficient given the viewing scenario then again I would be happy to extend my license to include a 120hz field sequential output to a projector. But rather than allowing the end users the choice to pony up and fund the effort, they are going after the vendor and stating that the only way to get a 120hz field sequential output to work is to become a certified partner. This is unnecessary and is proven by all of those that have been able to bypass EDID detection.[/quote]

Yes I do. As you stated your company supply "minimum recommended specs," which is very diff from "Minimum system requirements," in that one is absolute and the other isn't. The only grey-area requirement I see from the 3DVision are "100 Hz and higher analog CRTs" under 1680x1050 Desktop Displays and "Generic DLP HDTV mode" under HDTVs. If you fit under one of those categories, Nvidia is required to provide support, either by fixing the problem or giving an alternative solution.

As for 1920x1080 Desktop Displays and Projectors, they specifically list make and models. That means these are the only models Nvidia is currently confident in providing sufficient support. If you are not using one of those model, even if your model far exceed the ones listed, your setup is not supported. Whether it is because Nvidia doesn't have the product in question at hand to test, there are known bugs with the product, etc.
[quote name='PiXeL' post='1036315' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:24 PM']Do you really believe this, bLuDrGn? I work for a very large software development organization that licenses image viewing software to organizations and end users. The software we develop runs on wintel platforms and while we have a "minimum recommended spec", it is up to the user to ensure they have the appropriate hardware and software configuration to support our applications and is based on specification alone. Under no circumstances do we make a conditional license to specific display hardware vendor. If it meets the spec, then it is enabled. In this specific case, my hardware meets or exceeds the spec to support 120hz field sequential output and is clearly proven by Nvidia's own drivers. This isn't rocket science. If my current license agreement with Nvidia (my purchase of 3DVision) isn't sufficient given the viewing scenario then again I would be happy to extend my license to include a 120hz field sequential output to a projector. But rather than allowing the end users the choice to pony up and fund the effort, they are going after the vendor and stating that the only way to get a 120hz field sequential output to work is to become a certified partner. This is unnecessary and is proven by all of those that have been able to bypass EDID detection.



Yes I do. As you stated your company supply "minimum recommended specs," which is very diff from "Minimum system requirements," in that one is absolute and the other isn't. The only grey-area requirement I see from the 3DVision are "100 Hz and higher analog CRTs" under 1680x1050 Desktop Displays and "Generic DLP HDTV mode" under HDTVs. If you fit under one of those categories, Nvidia is required to provide support, either by fixing the problem or giving an alternative solution.



As for 1920x1080 Desktop Displays and Projectors, they specifically list make and models. That means these are the only models Nvidia is currently confident in providing sufficient support. If you are not using one of those model, even if your model far exceed the ones listed, your setup is not supported. Whether it is because Nvidia doesn't have the product in question at hand to test, there are known bugs with the product, etc.

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#12
Posted 04/08/2010 06:52 PM   
So let me get this straight, Optima doesn't want to pay for certification, Nvidia should still go ahead and officially provide support, then provided man power to implement that support, then provide customer support and technical support to the end user who spent 200 + cost of the vid card when something goes wrong with Optima and 3d vision to make it work?
so they have no choice how they should want to market and sell their product/technology? Maybe they should just go ahead and give us the technology all for free.

Simple if Nvidia doesn't have it as the Projector/monitor/tv as supported for 3d Vision don't buy one of these devices and expect it to work. Many companies provide some sort of licenses that other companies need to pay to use their tech. it's business. Who cares if it can work with or without my tech. I worked hard to make my tech customer friendly, you will pay me to use it with my custoemrs or you will develop your own. that's all.
So let me get this straight, Optima doesn't want to pay for certification, Nvidia should still go ahead and officially provide support, then provided man power to implement that support, then provide customer support and technical support to the end user who spent 200 + cost of the vid card when something goes wrong with Optima and 3d vision to make it work?

so they have no choice how they should want to market and sell their product/technology? Maybe they should just go ahead and give us the technology all for free.



Simple if Nvidia doesn't have it as the Projector/monitor/tv as supported for 3d Vision don't buy one of these devices and expect it to work. Many companies provide some sort of licenses that other companies need to pay to use their tech. it's business. Who cares if it can work with or without my tech. I worked hard to make my tech customer friendly, you will pay me to use it with my custoemrs or you will develop your own. that's all.

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#13
Posted 04/08/2010 06:58 PM   
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036329' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:52 PM']Yes I do. As you stated your company supply "minimum recommended specs," which is very diff from "Minimum system requirements," in that one is absolute and the other isn't. The only grey-area requirement I see from the 3DVision are "100 Hz and higher analog CRTs" under 1680x1050 Desktop Displays and "Generic DLP HDTV mode" under HDTVs. If you fit under one of those categories, Nvidia is required to provide support, either by fixing the problem or giving an alternative solution.

As for 1920x1080 Desktop Displays and Projectors, they specifically listed make and models. That means these are the only models Nvidia is confident in providing sufficient support. If you are not using one of those model, even if your model far exceed the ones listed, your setup is not supported. Whether it is because Nvidia doesn't have the product in question at hand to test, there are known bugs with the product, etc.[/quote]


[quote name='msm903' post='1036337' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:58 PM']So let me get this straight, Optima doesn't want to pay for certification, Nvidia should still go ahead and officially provide support, then provided man power to implement that support, then provide customer support and technical support to the end user who spent 200 + cost of the vid card when something goes wrong with Optima and 3d vision to make it work?
so they have no choice how they should want to market and sell their product/technology? Maybe they should just go ahead and give us the technology all for free.

Simple if Nvidia doesn't have it as the Projector/monitor/tv as supported for 3d Vision don't buy one of these devices and expect it to work. Many companies provide some sort of licenses that other companies need to pay to use their tech. it's business. Who cares if it can work with or without my tech. I worked hard to make my tech customer friendly, you will pay me to use it with my custoemrs or you will develop your own. that's all.[/quote]



Both well said.


Although I am a fledgling in the 3D arena I know enough to research the products and there compatibilty with each other before I purchase. dont be upset because you took the test without studying first.
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036329' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:52 PM']Yes I do. As you stated your company supply "minimum recommended specs," which is very diff from "Minimum system requirements," in that one is absolute and the other isn't. The only grey-area requirement I see from the 3DVision are "100 Hz and higher analog CRTs" under 1680x1050 Desktop Displays and "Generic DLP HDTV mode" under HDTVs. If you fit under one of those categories, Nvidia is required to provide support, either by fixing the problem or giving an alternative solution.



As for 1920x1080 Desktop Displays and Projectors, they specifically listed make and models. That means these are the only models Nvidia is confident in providing sufficient support. If you are not using one of those model, even if your model far exceed the ones listed, your setup is not supported. Whether it is because Nvidia doesn't have the product in question at hand to test, there are known bugs with the product, etc.





[quote name='msm903' post='1036337' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:58 PM']So let me get this straight, Optima doesn't want to pay for certification, Nvidia should still go ahead and officially provide support, then provided man power to implement that support, then provide customer support and technical support to the end user who spent 200 + cost of the vid card when something goes wrong with Optima and 3d vision to make it work?

so they have no choice how they should want to market and sell their product/technology? Maybe they should just go ahead and give us the technology all for free.



Simple if Nvidia doesn't have it as the Projector/monitor/tv as supported for 3d Vision don't buy one of these devices and expect it to work. Many companies provide some sort of licenses that other companies need to pay to use their tech. it's business. Who cares if it can work with or without my tech. I worked hard to make my tech customer friendly, you will pay me to use it with my custoemrs or you will develop your own. that's all.







Both well said.





Although I am a fledgling in the 3D arena I know enough to research the products and there compatibilty with each other before I purchase. dont be upset because you took the test without studying first.

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Posted 04/08/2010 07:10 PM   
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036329' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:52 PM']Yes I do. As you stated your company supply "minimum recommended specs," which is very diff from "Minimum system requirements," in that one is absolute and the other isn't. The only grey-area requirement I see from the 3DVision are "100 Hz and higher analog CRTs" under 1680x1050 Desktop Displays and "Generic DLP HDTV mode" under HDTVs. If you fit under one of those categories, Nvidia is required to support you, either by fixing the problem or providing an alternative.

As for 1920x1080 Desktop Displays and Projectors, they specifically listed make and models. That means these are the only models Nvidia is confident in providing sufficient support. If you are not using one of those model, even if your model far exceed the ones listed, your setup is not supported. Whether it is because Nvidia doesn't have the product in question at hand to test, there are known bugs with the product, etc.[/quote]
Then i guess we can agree to disagree on this one. The play on words you mention above is just that as neither is absolute, hence the word "minimum"...

To me these projectors are nothing more than a display device that was designed to receive an industry standard signal just like the current crop of 3DTV's. Nvidia has a choice and maybe with 3DTV Play they are rectifying this choice (sort of). The current crop of 3DReady projectors, much like the current crop of 3DTV's, have the glasses tech married to the display (via DLP Link with current projectors) and not to a specific software driver like 3DVision. Just provide the appropriate signal and they are ready to go. I already have a set of DLP Link glasses on order just because I don't want to be stuck with the short straw... Again...

But I am sure that, somehow, i will get the short straw and predict that the lack of HDMI 1.4 capability with the current round of 3DReady Projectors will also likely mean that 3DTV Play won't support them. Stuck squarely in the middle between two solutions yet again... My fingers are crossed that competition is a good thing given the recent announcements from others in the industry.
[quote name='bLuDrGn' post='1036329' date='Apr 8 2010, 02:52 PM']Yes I do. As you stated your company supply "minimum recommended specs," which is very diff from "Minimum system requirements," in that one is absolute and the other isn't. The only grey-area requirement I see from the 3DVision are "100 Hz and higher analog CRTs" under 1680x1050 Desktop Displays and "Generic DLP HDTV mode" under HDTVs. If you fit under one of those categories, Nvidia is required to support you, either by fixing the problem or providing an alternative.



As for 1920x1080 Desktop Displays and Projectors, they specifically listed make and models. That means these are the only models Nvidia is confident in providing sufficient support. If you are not using one of those model, even if your model far exceed the ones listed, your setup is not supported. Whether it is because Nvidia doesn't have the product in question at hand to test, there are known bugs with the product, etc.

Then i guess we can agree to disagree on this one. The play on words you mention above is just that as neither is absolute, hence the word "minimum"...



To me these projectors are nothing more than a display device that was designed to receive an industry standard signal just like the current crop of 3DTV's. Nvidia has a choice and maybe with 3DTV Play they are rectifying this choice (sort of). The current crop of 3DReady projectors, much like the current crop of 3DTV's, have the glasses tech married to the display (via DLP Link with current projectors) and not to a specific software driver like 3DVision. Just provide the appropriate signal and they are ready to go. I already have a set of DLP Link glasses on order just because I don't want to be stuck with the short straw... Again...



But I am sure that, somehow, i will get the short straw and predict that the lack of HDMI 1.4 capability with the current round of 3DReady Projectors will also likely mean that 3DTV Play won't support them. Stuck squarely in the middle between two solutions yet again... My fingers are crossed that competition is a good thing given the recent announcements from others in the industry.

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