[quote name='jaafaman' post='1051882' date='May 7 2010, 12:55 PM']Sounds to me as though you've already made up your mind and just want everyone to know how impatience got you to that point. Enjoy your new hardware from ATI...[/quote]
it's absolutely not true.
i'm a very loyal nvidia customer. just because one thing: every time i face any kind of ATI's products, i have a lot of pain, and in the end i get back to nvidia. i would never even take a look at ATI, if nvidia was as loyal to me as i was. unfortunately, it doesn't happen everytime.
a couple of examples of my ATI experience:
1. when i started building my second HTPC, i was looking for a video card. it had to have a composit video out, and to have a passive cooler. the cheapest one i could find was an ATI. when i installed it, i started experiencing issues with color - it just disappeared from time to time. even when i reboot my htpc, the color won't come back. the only way was to switch to some other tv format, like PAL, and then back to NTSC. obviously i wasn't able to do it on my TV - so, i needed to connect a monitor, switch the format, switch it back and so on. when i stuffed all this mess, i throw out the ATI card and bought nvidia 6200. this card has been working for me for a couple years in the HTPC, and now still working in one of my desktops as a second video card, handling the 3rd monitor.
2. recently i've bought an HD TV, that caused my HTPC to upgrade. i knew, that both ATI and nVidia had a solution, that would let video/audio content go through HDMI. however, when ATI supports DTS HD and TrueHD sound thru HDMI, nVidia doesn't (it supports only DTS). this is why i've bought an ATI Radeon HD 5450. it screwed me up: it eventually started to loose picture and sound. besides if HD audio source sounded good, 2-channel audio distorted. i was tired about it, and exchanged the 5450 to nVidia geforce GT 240. well, it doesn't support DTS HD, but it's stable, and it works. i have decided, that DTS is enough for me for now, and stood with nVidia - probably with a tiny little hope, that nVidia would realize DTS HD thru HDMI someday.
so, you see, in these both cases i've tried ATI devices for some reason - because they fitted more to my needs (price in the 1st case, and HD sound - in the 2nd). but every time i got back to nVidia, agreeing to loose some features, but to get a stable and reliable system, that works.
now i got 3 monitors in my home desktop system, and i want to extend my World of Warcraft window across all of them. how can i achieve this? nVidia has the nView technology, that allows to make 'horisontal span' across multiple monitors, creating one wide desktop. however, first of all it works only in Win XP, and nVidia doesn't have any plans to extend it to vista and win 7. and second of all, 'horisontal span' works only for one video adapter. i can't connect more than 2 monitors to my gtx 260 - so i can't group 3 monitors together with this 'span'.
what does ATI have about it? eyefinity technology, that supports all the HD 5* series cards, that have enough outputs. for example HD 5850 has 2 DVI, 1 DP, and 1 HDMI. however, all my monitors have only DVI inputs (i'm not saying about VGA - who wants VGA today!). it means, that i would need a special DP->DVI active adapter, that costs from $100.
but it's ok. the only thing i'm afraid of - the pain, that i have all the time, when i deal with any ATI product. and this is the only thing, that makes me be patient and wait for nVidia surround. because i hope it'll work.
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1051882' date='May 7 2010, 12:55 PM']Sounds to me as though you've already made up your mind and just want everyone to know how impatience got you to that point. Enjoy your new hardware from ATI...
it's absolutely not true.
i'm a very loyal nvidia customer. just because one thing: every time i face any kind of ATI's products, i have a lot of pain, and in the end i get back to nvidia. i would never even take a look at ATI, if nvidia was as loyal to me as i was. unfortunately, it doesn't happen everytime.
a couple of examples of my ATI experience:
1. when i started building my second HTPC, i was looking for a video card. it had to have a composit video out, and to have a passive cooler. the cheapest one i could find was an ATI. when i installed it, i started experiencing issues with color - it just disappeared from time to time. even when i reboot my htpc, the color won't come back. the only way was to switch to some other tv format, like PAL, and then back to NTSC. obviously i wasn't able to do it on my TV - so, i needed to connect a monitor, switch the format, switch it back and so on. when i stuffed all this mess, i throw out the ATI card and bought nvidia 6200. this card has been working for me for a couple years in the HTPC, and now still working in one of my desktops as a second video card, handling the 3rd monitor.
2. recently i've bought an HD TV, that caused my HTPC to upgrade. i knew, that both ATI and nVidia had a solution, that would let video/audio content go through HDMI. however, when ATI supports DTS HD and TrueHD sound thru HDMI, nVidia doesn't (it supports only DTS). this is why i've bought an ATI Radeon HD 5450. it screwed me up: it eventually started to loose picture and sound. besides if HD audio source sounded good, 2-channel audio distorted. i was tired about it, and exchanged the 5450 to nVidia geforce GT 240. well, it doesn't support DTS HD, but it's stable, and it works. i have decided, that DTS is enough for me for now, and stood with nVidia - probably with a tiny little hope, that nVidia would realize DTS HD thru HDMI someday.
so, you see, in these both cases i've tried ATI devices for some reason - because they fitted more to my needs (price in the 1st case, and HD sound - in the 2nd). but every time i got back to nVidia, agreeing to loose some features, but to get a stable and reliable system, that works.
now i got 3 monitors in my home desktop system, and i want to extend my World of Warcraft window across all of them. how can i achieve this? nVidia has the nView technology, that allows to make 'horisontal span' across multiple monitors, creating one wide desktop. however, first of all it works only in Win XP, and nVidia doesn't have any plans to extend it to vista and win 7. and second of all, 'horisontal span' works only for one video adapter. i can't connect more than 2 monitors to my gtx 260 - so i can't group 3 monitors together with this 'span'.
what does ATI have about it? eyefinity technology, that supports all the HD 5* series cards, that have enough outputs. for example HD 5850 has 2 DVI, 1 DP, and 1 HDMI. however, all my monitors have only DVI inputs (i'm not saying about VGA - who wants VGA today!). it means, that i would need a special DP->DVI active adapter, that costs from $100.
but it's ok. the only thing i'm afraid of - the pain, that i have all the time, when i deal with any ATI product. and this is the only thing, that makes me be patient and wait for nVidia surround. because i hope it'll work.
Well, nView in Vista is covered by a standing clause within all of the driver release notes:
[quote][b]nView Horizontal and Vertical Span Modes[/b]
Due to architectural changes in the new Windows Vista Window Display Driver
Model (WDDM), span mode cannot be supported in NVIDIA graphics drivers.
NVIDIA recommends using the builtâ€in Windows Vista multiâ€display modes.[/quote]
ATI beat nVidia to market with Tessellation and DX11. No problem. They also managed to beat 'em to market on a couple other things. OK.
I want multi-screen 3D capabilities at my command. 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. Well, so far, multi-monitor works, and 3D works. Doesn't matter the number that constitutes "multi", I really don't see either company with stellar multi-3D yet, so essentially [i]no one[/i] "has their act together".
And yet you've purchased everything based on an anticipated outcome rather a present reality on a technology so complex they hadn't even fully made all of the individual parts work yet. On either side.
C'mon, really - is all this type-A behavior really worth working up a coronary?
Whatever happened to all the Dead Heads and Flower Children - or New Agers - running around teaching "Live for the moment and don't lose what you have"?
Does not every sermon include an admonition towards counting your blessings?
I'm waiting until the technology's actually released and I can see its final requirements and capabilities. In the meantime, I'm using all of the marketing for what is intended for - a "heads up on what's coming and when they hope to have it available. BTW, here's a couple tech demos to give you an impression of what we've got going on our design rig so you can see what we hope to be able to share with everyone on all rigs. It's hard work, but we see possible light at the end of the tunnel that says maybe Apr or May - somewhere in there" kinda thing, ya know?
Using a little perspective and giving the good folks enough room to breath and work. I want the tech, but I'm not blastin' 'em for it in the meantime, either.
Now, how 'bout the [i][b]real[/b][/i] issues here?...
edit -
I wonder how Santa Claus handles this sort of thing every season? His Forum must be a bear to read at times...
Well, nView in Vista is covered by a standing clause within all of the driver release notes:
nView Horizontal and Vertical Span Modes
Due to architectural changes in the new Windows Vista Window Display Driver
Model (WDDM), span mode cannot be supported in NVIDIA graphics drivers.
NVIDIA recommends using the builtâ€in Windows Vista multiâ€display modes.
ATI beat nVidia to market with Tessellation and DX11. No problem. They also managed to beat 'em to market on a couple other things. OK.
I want multi-screen 3D capabilities at my command. 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. Well, so far, multi-monitor works, and 3D works. Doesn't matter the number that constitutes "multi", I really don't see either company with stellar multi-3D yet, so essentially no one "has their act together".
And yet you've purchased everything based on an anticipated outcome rather a present reality on a technology so complex they hadn't even fully made all of the individual parts work yet. On either side.
C'mon, really - is all this type-A behavior really worth working up a coronary?
Whatever happened to all the Dead Heads and Flower Children - or New Agers - running around teaching "Live for the moment and don't lose what you have"?
Does not every sermon include an admonition towards counting your blessings?
I'm waiting until the technology's actually released and I can see its final requirements and capabilities. In the meantime, I'm using all of the marketing for what is intended for - a "heads up on what's coming and when they hope to have it available. BTW, here's a couple tech demos to give you an impression of what we've got going on our design rig so you can see what we hope to be able to share with everyone on all rigs. It's hard work, but we see possible light at the end of the tunnel that says maybe Apr or May - somewhere in there" kinda thing, ya know?
Using a little perspective and giving the good folks enough room to breath and work. I want the tech, but I'm not blastin' 'em for it in the meantime, either.
Now, how 'bout the real issues here?...
edit -
I wonder how Santa Claus handles this sort of thing every season? His Forum must be a bear to read at times...
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We've heard many of you asking about this, so here's the lastest info regarding the 3D Vision Surround Driver launch timeline:
[url="http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3d-vision-surround-driver-launch-timeline.html"]http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3...h-timeline.html[/url]
[quote name='NVIDIAJoe' post='1058442' date='May 19 2010, 09:23 PM']We've heard many of you asking about this, so here's the lastest info regarding the 3D Vision Surround Driver launch timeline:
[url="http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3d-vision-surround-driver-launch-timeline.html"]http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3...h-timeline.html[/url][/quote]
Thanks for the link Joe, although it was posted here last week in a seperate thread. It's good to see Tom personally answering concerns that users have on the blog.
[quote name='NVIDIAJoe' post='1058442' date='May 19 2010, 09:23 PM']We've heard many of you asking about this, so here's the lastest info regarding the 3D Vision Surround Driver launch timeline:
Thanks for the link Joe, although it was posted here last week in a seperate thread. It's good to see Tom personally answering concerns that users have on the blog.
it's absolutely not true.
i'm a very loyal nvidia customer. just because one thing: every time i face any kind of ATI's products, i have a lot of pain, and in the end i get back to nvidia. i would never even take a look at ATI, if nvidia was as loyal to me as i was. unfortunately, it doesn't happen everytime.
a couple of examples of my ATI experience:
1. when i started building my second HTPC, i was looking for a video card. it had to have a composit video out, and to have a passive cooler. the cheapest one i could find was an ATI. when i installed it, i started experiencing issues with color - it just disappeared from time to time. even when i reboot my htpc, the color won't come back. the only way was to switch to some other tv format, like PAL, and then back to NTSC. obviously i wasn't able to do it on my TV - so, i needed to connect a monitor, switch the format, switch it back and so on. when i stuffed all this mess, i throw out the ATI card and bought nvidia 6200. this card has been working for me for a couple years in the HTPC, and now still working in one of my desktops as a second video card, handling the 3rd monitor.
2. recently i've bought an HD TV, that caused my HTPC to upgrade. i knew, that both ATI and nVidia had a solution, that would let video/audio content go through HDMI. however, when ATI supports DTS HD and TrueHD sound thru HDMI, nVidia doesn't (it supports only DTS). this is why i've bought an ATI Radeon HD 5450. it screwed me up: it eventually started to loose picture and sound. besides if HD audio source sounded good, 2-channel audio distorted. i was tired about it, and exchanged the 5450 to nVidia geforce GT 240. well, it doesn't support DTS HD, but it's stable, and it works. i have decided, that DTS is enough for me for now, and stood with nVidia - probably with a tiny little hope, that nVidia would realize DTS HD thru HDMI someday.
so, you see, in these both cases i've tried ATI devices for some reason - because they fitted more to my needs (price in the 1st case, and HD sound - in the 2nd). but every time i got back to nVidia, agreeing to loose some features, but to get a stable and reliable system, that works.
now i got 3 monitors in my home desktop system, and i want to extend my World of Warcraft window across all of them. how can i achieve this? nVidia has the nView technology, that allows to make 'horisontal span' across multiple monitors, creating one wide desktop. however, first of all it works only in Win XP, and nVidia doesn't have any plans to extend it to vista and win 7. and second of all, 'horisontal span' works only for one video adapter. i can't connect more than 2 monitors to my gtx 260 - so i can't group 3 monitors together with this 'span'.
what does ATI have about it? eyefinity technology, that supports all the HD 5* series cards, that have enough outputs. for example HD 5850 has 2 DVI, 1 DP, and 1 HDMI. however, all my monitors have only DVI inputs (i'm not saying about VGA - who wants VGA today!). it means, that i would need a special DP->DVI active adapter, that costs from $100.
but it's ok. the only thing i'm afraid of - the pain, that i have all the time, when i deal with any ATI product. and this is the only thing, that makes me be patient and wait for nVidia surround. because i hope it'll work.
it's absolutely not true.
i'm a very loyal nvidia customer. just because one thing: every time i face any kind of ATI's products, i have a lot of pain, and in the end i get back to nvidia. i would never even take a look at ATI, if nvidia was as loyal to me as i was. unfortunately, it doesn't happen everytime.
a couple of examples of my ATI experience:
1. when i started building my second HTPC, i was looking for a video card. it had to have a composit video out, and to have a passive cooler. the cheapest one i could find was an ATI. when i installed it, i started experiencing issues with color - it just disappeared from time to time. even when i reboot my htpc, the color won't come back. the only way was to switch to some other tv format, like PAL, and then back to NTSC. obviously i wasn't able to do it on my TV - so, i needed to connect a monitor, switch the format, switch it back and so on. when i stuffed all this mess, i throw out the ATI card and bought nvidia 6200. this card has been working for me for a couple years in the HTPC, and now still working in one of my desktops as a second video card, handling the 3rd monitor.
2. recently i've bought an HD TV, that caused my HTPC to upgrade. i knew, that both ATI and nVidia had a solution, that would let video/audio content go through HDMI. however, when ATI supports DTS HD and TrueHD sound thru HDMI, nVidia doesn't (it supports only DTS). this is why i've bought an ATI Radeon HD 5450. it screwed me up: it eventually started to loose picture and sound. besides if HD audio source sounded good, 2-channel audio distorted. i was tired about it, and exchanged the 5450 to nVidia geforce GT 240. well, it doesn't support DTS HD, but it's stable, and it works. i have decided, that DTS is enough for me for now, and stood with nVidia - probably with a tiny little hope, that nVidia would realize DTS HD thru HDMI someday.
so, you see, in these both cases i've tried ATI devices for some reason - because they fitted more to my needs (price in the 1st case, and HD sound - in the 2nd). but every time i got back to nVidia, agreeing to loose some features, but to get a stable and reliable system, that works.
now i got 3 monitors in my home desktop system, and i want to extend my World of Warcraft window across all of them. how can i achieve this? nVidia has the nView technology, that allows to make 'horisontal span' across multiple monitors, creating one wide desktop. however, first of all it works only in Win XP, and nVidia doesn't have any plans to extend it to vista and win 7. and second of all, 'horisontal span' works only for one video adapter. i can't connect more than 2 monitors to my gtx 260 - so i can't group 3 monitors together with this 'span'.
what does ATI have about it? eyefinity technology, that supports all the HD 5* series cards, that have enough outputs. for example HD 5850 has 2 DVI, 1 DP, and 1 HDMI. however, all my monitors have only DVI inputs (i'm not saying about VGA - who wants VGA today!). it means, that i would need a special DP->DVI active adapter, that costs from $100.
but it's ok. the only thing i'm afraid of - the pain, that i have all the time, when i deal with any ATI product. and this is the only thing, that makes me be patient and wait for nVidia surround. because i hope it'll work.
[quote][b]nView Horizontal and Vertical Span Modes[/b]
Due to architectural changes in the new Windows Vista Window Display Driver
Model (WDDM), span mode cannot be supported in NVIDIA graphics drivers.
NVIDIA recommends using the builtâ€in Windows Vista multiâ€display modes.[/quote]
ATI beat nVidia to market with Tessellation and DX11. No problem. They also managed to beat 'em to market on a couple other things. OK.
I want multi-screen 3D capabilities at my command. 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. Well, so far, multi-monitor works, and 3D works. Doesn't matter the number that constitutes "multi", I really don't see either company with stellar multi-3D yet, so essentially [i]no one[/i] "has their act together".
And yet you've purchased everything based on an anticipated outcome rather a present reality on a technology so complex they hadn't even fully made all of the individual parts work yet. On either side.
C'mon, really - is all this type-A behavior really worth working up a coronary?
Whatever happened to all the Dead Heads and Flower Children - or New Agers - running around teaching "Live for the moment and don't lose what you have"?
Does not every sermon include an admonition towards counting your blessings?
I'm waiting until the technology's actually released and I can see its final requirements and capabilities. In the meantime, I'm using all of the marketing for what is intended for - a "heads up on what's coming and when they hope to have it available. BTW, here's a couple tech demos to give you an impression of what we've got going on our design rig so you can see what we hope to be able to share with everyone on all rigs. It's hard work, but we see possible light at the end of the tunnel that says maybe Apr or May - somewhere in there" kinda thing, ya know?
Using a little perspective and giving the good folks enough room to breath and work. I want the tech, but I'm not blastin' 'em for it in the meantime, either.
Now, how 'bout the [i][b]real[/b][/i] issues here?...
edit -
I wonder how Santa Claus handles this sort of thing every season? His Forum must be a bear to read at times...
ATI beat nVidia to market with Tessellation and DX11. No problem. They also managed to beat 'em to market on a couple other things. OK.
I want multi-screen 3D capabilities at my command. 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. Well, so far, multi-monitor works, and 3D works. Doesn't matter the number that constitutes "multi", I really don't see either company with stellar multi-3D yet, so essentially no one "has their act together".
And yet you've purchased everything based on an anticipated outcome rather a present reality on a technology so complex they hadn't even fully made all of the individual parts work yet. On either side.
C'mon, really - is all this type-A behavior really worth working up a coronary?
Whatever happened to all the Dead Heads and Flower Children - or New Agers - running around teaching "Live for the moment and don't lose what you have"?
Does not every sermon include an admonition towards counting your blessings?
I'm waiting until the technology's actually released and I can see its final requirements and capabilities. In the meantime, I'm using all of the marketing for what is intended for - a "heads up on what's coming and when they hope to have it available. BTW, here's a couple tech demos to give you an impression of what we've got going on our design rig so you can see what we hope to be able to share with everyone on all rigs. It's hard work, but we see possible light at the end of the tunnel that says maybe Apr or May - somewhere in there" kinda thing, ya know?
Using a little perspective and giving the good folks enough room to breath and work. I want the tech, but I'm not blastin' 'em for it in the meantime, either.
Now, how 'bout the real issues here?...
edit -
I wonder how Santa Claus handles this sort of thing every season? His Forum must be a bear to read at times...
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[url="http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3d-vision-surround-driver-launch-timeline.html"]http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3...h-timeline.html[/url]
http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3...h-timeline.html
[url="http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3d-vision-surround-driver-launch-timeline.html"]http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3...h-timeline.html[/url][/quote]
Thanks for the link Joe, although it was posted here last week in a seperate thread. It's good to see Tom personally answering concerns that users have on the blog.
http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3...h-timeline.html
Thanks for the link Joe, although it was posted here last week in a seperate thread. It's good to see Tom personally answering concerns that users have on the blog.
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