I'm in the UK and am trying to source an extra pair of 3D Vision glasses so I can watch 3D Blu-Ray's with my wife, however I cannot find any anywhere! When following the links on Nvidia's own websites, it shows the product as being discontinued. Is anyone else aware of this happening? Are there any other Active glasses that would work with the Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Emitter?
I'm in the UK and am trying to source an extra pair of 3D Vision glasses so I can watch 3D Blu-Ray's with my wife, however I cannot find any anywhere! When following the links on Nvidia's own websites, it shows the product as being discontinued. Is anyone else aware of this happening? Are there any other Active glasses that would work with the Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Emitter?
You mean like all these? ;)
[url]http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Nvidia+3d+vision&N=-1&isNodeId=1[/url]
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[quote="flobberknock"]I'm in the UK and am trying to source an extra pair of 3D Vision glasses so I can watch 3D Blu-Ray's with my wife, however I cannot find any anywhere! When following the links on Nvidia's own websites, it shows the product as being discontinued. Is anyone else aware of this happening? Are there any other Active glasses that would work with the Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Emitter?[/quote]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-Vision-Wireless-Glasses-Kit/dp/B005WKFT18/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1421866132&sr=8-6&keywords=3dvision+2
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-Vision-Spectacles-Receptor-Emitter/dp/B005XULTG6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421866132&sr=8-1&keywords=3dvision+2
I see they are in stock... and I remember a moderator saying that is not discontinued...
flobberknock said:I'm in the UK and am trying to source an extra pair of 3D Vision glasses so I can watch 3D Blu-Ray's with my wife, however I cannot find any anywhere! When following the links on Nvidia's own websites, it shows the product as being discontinued. Is anyone else aware of this happening? Are there any other Active glasses that would work with the Nvidia 3D Vision 2 Emitter?
I see they are in stock... and I remember a moderator saying that is not discontinued...
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Thanks for the very fast responses guys, I just don't understand why they're being sold so expensive! I picked up the entire kit a year ago for £110 and people are trying to sell just the glasses for £150!
Thanks for the very fast responses guys, I just don't understand why they're being sold so expensive! I picked up the entire kit a year ago for £110 and people are trying to sell just the glasses for £150!
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flobberknock
What's here to understand?
They simply lied, it IS discontinued, exactly like I said in a similar thread, where Nvidia said that "it's just a temporary hick-up, and a new shipment is on its way, it will be returning to normal in December"
Yeah. It is. It even showed up in my country. In two stores. [b]Just 50% more espensive [/b] than it was sold before.
And it was overpriced even back then, before the shortage.
It doesn't look like continuing production to me. It doesn't look like availability will return to the levels before the shortage. And why should they restart the production properly? They don't care about 3D Vision at all. Well, maybe if it's usable to build marketing tool (VR Direct and 3D vision support), then, and only then, it will be mentioned anywhere.
Those glasses don't cost more than 20% of the retail price. It's just a rip-off. My friend was waiting since early December to buy V2 kit. But the price is just ridiculous. I understand a markup of 50%, even 70%. But this is 400-800%. I've bought CRT 3D glasses (Nvidia 3DVision's predecessor) for 15% of the price they ask now. Did LCD glasses got 1000% more expensive to produce, suddenly?
Or maybe IR emitter costs 100$ to produce? Or am I missing something?
I don't think I'm missing anything. I think I just use my eyes and see their attitude.
It fits exactly with Nvidia's motto: "They Way You're Meant To Be f...d"
Sorry for the tone, but as much as I like 3D Vision and the team of great engineers designing the GPUs, I really, really, reeeeeaaaally hate the way Nvidia does their business. And that's since over a decade. From lies about GF FX and their shader performance (cheating in numerous test, just because their cards were loosing to Radeons, badly) to fake Fermi card on the conference and saying it's a real card, to the things they've done to 3D Vision community recently.
Linus Torwalds is not my "guru", I don't even use Linux that much, but I think he was right when he gave his famous opinion about Nvidia. His "greetings" to the NV bosses were well deserved.
Such a great technology, such potential, but sure, you can inflate the price to ridiculous levels, switch the support to "compatibility mode" and say "people aren't interested in 3D anymore".
Genius...
What's here to understand?
They simply lied, it IS discontinued, exactly like I said in a similar thread, where Nvidia said that "it's just a temporary hick-up, and a new shipment is on its way, it will be returning to normal in December"
Yeah. It is. It even showed up in my country. In two stores. Just 50% more espensive than it was sold before.
And it was overpriced even back then, before the shortage.
It doesn't look like continuing production to me. It doesn't look like availability will return to the levels before the shortage. And why should they restart the production properly? They don't care about 3D Vision at all. Well, maybe if it's usable to build marketing tool (VR Direct and 3D vision support), then, and only then, it will be mentioned anywhere.
Those glasses don't cost more than 20% of the retail price. It's just a rip-off. My friend was waiting since early December to buy V2 kit. But the price is just ridiculous. I understand a markup of 50%, even 70%. But this is 400-800%. I've bought CRT 3D glasses (Nvidia 3DVision's predecessor) for 15% of the price they ask now. Did LCD glasses got 1000% more expensive to produce, suddenly?
Or maybe IR emitter costs 100$ to produce? Or am I missing something?
I don't think I'm missing anything. I think I just use my eyes and see their attitude.
It fits exactly with Nvidia's motto: "They Way You're Meant To Be f...d"
Sorry for the tone, but as much as I like 3D Vision and the team of great engineers designing the GPUs, I really, really, reeeeeaaaally hate the way Nvidia does their business. And that's since over a decade. From lies about GF FX and their shader performance (cheating in numerous test, just because their cards were loosing to Radeons, badly) to fake Fermi card on the conference and saying it's a real card, to the things they've done to 3D Vision community recently.
Linus Torwalds is not my "guru", I don't even use Linux that much, but I think he was right when he gave his famous opinion about Nvidia. His "greetings" to the NV bosses were well deserved.
Such a great technology, such potential, but sure, you can inflate the price to ridiculous levels, switch the support to "compatibility mode" and say "people aren't interested in 3D anymore".
Genius...
This hiccup has occurred for the last 3 years, look back through the forum. It's nothing new.
If your local retailer is ripping you off, it's not Nvidia's fault. Thieves will be thieves.
D-Man11
First of all, sorry for the tone in the post above, written while still being angry after an attempt to help my friend buy 3DV2 kit for a normal price.
And yes, the kit interests me, not only glasses.
A few "buts"
- but this "hiccup" is going for half a year
- but I was writing about "my local" in term of the country (Poland), not store
- but I can see a few listed in UK, from 170£ (with shipping). I search on Amazon.co.uk and a year ago you could buy a kit for 90-105£ with shipping. Now there is one single offer for about 150£ with shipping, and a few more, mostly more expensive.
I didn't searched in third country, like I used to, and I can see it was a mistake, since there are 3DV kits available in Germany, for 153€, which would give you 130£ in the exchange rates a year ago, when you could easily find those 90-105£ kits on amazon.co.uk. Still 30% more.
To put in in the perspective - I've got friends who earn 300€ for a month, netto, and that's all they have to live. I understand that for some, a 3DV kit costing a lot is not a big deal, but when I see 3d vision 2 kits in Poland starting from 190€ in November and now, after the "new shippement" I see only one shop actually having them, and for 160€, I can't help but feel that Nvidia's greed crossed the line of being offending to its costumers.
It's IR emitter and some really simple 2 LCD glasses. I don't think Nvidia wouldn't earn money if they sold it at 30% of that steep price.
First of all, sorry for the tone in the post above, written while still being angry after an attempt to help my friend buy 3DV2 kit for a normal price.
And yes, the kit interests me, not only glasses.
A few "buts"
- but this "hiccup" is going for half a year
- but I was writing about "my local" in term of the country (Poland), not store
- but I can see a few listed in UK, from 170£ (with shipping). I search on Amazon.co.uk and a year ago you could buy a kit for 90-105£ with shipping. Now there is one single offer for about 150£ with shipping, and a few more, mostly more expensive.
I didn't searched in third country, like I used to, and I can see it was a mistake, since there are 3DV kits available in Germany, for 153€, which would give you 130£ in the exchange rates a year ago, when you could easily find those 90-105£ kits on amazon.co.uk. Still 30% more.
To put in in the perspective - I've got friends who earn 300€ for a month, netto, and that's all they have to live. I understand that for some, a 3DV kit costing a lot is not a big deal, but when I see 3d vision 2 kits in Poland starting from 190€ in November and now, after the "new shippement" I see only one shop actually having them, and for 160€, I can't help but feel that Nvidia's greed crossed the line of being offending to its costumers.
It's IR emitter and some really simple 2 LCD glasses. I don't think Nvidia wouldn't earn money if they sold it at 30% of that steep price.
I agree, I paid $43 for 3D Vision 2 glasses in Dec 2012 during a Christmas sale.
They've always been $99, which is the suggested retail price. Or, $150 for the kit.
I can understand charging a little more if it has to be imported, but it is crazy what some unscrupulous retailers are willing to charge. We can only hope that St Peter gives them the boot at the gate.
I agree, I paid $43 for 3D Vision 2 glasses in Dec 2012 during a Christmas sale.
They've always been $99, which is the suggested retail price. Or, $150 for the kit.
I can understand charging a little more if it has to be imported, but it is crazy what some unscrupulous retailers are willing to charge. We can only hope that St Peter gives them the boot at the gate.
You're missing what D-man posted...here it is in a bit more detail from an actual retailer.
*edit* and he posted while I was typing lol
Nvidia is not selling these kits at said prices, your retailer/e-tailer is.
The retailer does not buy the kits from Nvidia directly. Nvidia sold these kits to the distributor, which are then purchased by the retailer for resale purposes, at which point [u]the retailer[/u] sets "x" price.
These kits could have been sold "to the distributor" months/years ago at which the distributor will adjust wholesale prices based on "current" variables which range from import/duty taxes, to logistics, to average consumer income, to simple supply & demand. The retailer purchases the kit(s) at the distributor's modified wholesale price, then adjusts the price of the kit(s) based on the same variables.
Think of it like fuel/petrol prices and how they vary everyday, even though the fuel/oil may have been purchased at "X" rate 5-6 years ago. Electronics are not as "bad" at varying in consumer costs as oil; as they typically change on a quarterly basis rather than daily, but it's the same principle.
Although; unlike oil, there is no obligation to keep prices "low" (standard across the board) on this item as it is a "luxury" item rather than "necessity".
You're missing what D-man posted...here it is in a bit more detail from an actual retailer.
*edit* and he posted while I was typing lol
Nvidia is not selling these kits at said prices, your retailer/e-tailer is.
The retailer does not buy the kits from Nvidia directly. Nvidia sold these kits to the distributor, which are then purchased by the retailer for resale purposes, at which point the retailer sets "x" price.
These kits could have been sold "to the distributor" months/years ago at which the distributor will adjust wholesale prices based on "current" variables which range from import/duty taxes, to logistics, to average consumer income, to simple supply & demand. The retailer purchases the kit(s) at the distributor's modified wholesale price, then adjusts the price of the kit(s) based on the same variables.
Think of it like fuel/petrol prices and how they vary everyday, even though the fuel/oil may have been purchased at "X" rate 5-6 years ago. Electronics are not as "bad" at varying in consumer costs as oil; as they typically change on a quarterly basis rather than daily, but it's the same principle.
Although; unlike oil, there is no obligation to keep prices "low" (standard across the board) on this item as it is a "luxury" item rather than "necessity".
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I'm sorry there MrInfinit3, but RonsonPL is correct. Prices have been artificially high due to a short supply.
Perhaps you can give an argument as to why Newegg allows 3rd party sellers to list $350 GTX 970s on their site for $500.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5752F66065&cm_re=gtx_970-_-9SIA5752F66065-_-Product
I'd be happy to pay double for the glasses if it meant Nvidia would consider 3Dvision profitable again. I'm not saying you're wrong about the price being outlandish, because it probably is.
It's just another source of income that nvidia makes from 3dvision that they don't seem to want to acknowledge. Between the crazy glasses markup, the extra powerful hardware most of us buy to compensate for halved framerates, and the fact that 3dvision has made us impenetrable to any marketing AMD throw at us, you'd really think nvidia would be more appreciative of their little golden goose.
I'd be happy to pay double for the glasses if it meant Nvidia would consider 3Dvision profitable again. I'm not saying you're wrong about the price being outlandish, because it probably is.
It's just another source of income that nvidia makes from 3dvision that they don't seem to want to acknowledge. Between the crazy glasses markup, the extra powerful hardware most of us buy to compensate for halved framerates, and the fact that 3dvision has made us impenetrable to any marketing AMD throw at us, you'd really think nvidia would be more appreciative of their little golden goose.
^^ This, So much this... ^^
The Masses are fawning over 4k, When the most substantial Graphic improvement you can achieve is a properly configured 3Dvision setup. Raw resolution ultimately has diminishing returns for video games. While the movie industry has tarnished their view on what real 3D support actually is. Shrouding the vital point that depth and interaction changes the experience entirely.
They simply just don't know, and the developer support is a travesty. How many games now have been fixed by the users and community developers?...
This technology deserves another big push.
How do you market 3D, when the consumer, unless physically demonstrated, simply Just.... Doesn't.... Know....
While 3dvision is alive, AMD will never be able to call me a customer. That's pretty huge since I am no hardware loyalist even in the slightest.
But if it fades away...
The Masses are fawning over 4k, When the most substantial Graphic improvement you can achieve is a properly configured 3Dvision setup. Raw resolution ultimately has diminishing returns for video games. While the movie industry has tarnished their view on what real 3D support actually is. Shrouding the vital point that depth and interaction changes the experience entirely.
They simply just don't know, and the developer support is a travesty. How many games now have been fixed by the users and community developers?...
This technology deserves another big push.
How do you market 3D, when the consumer, unless physically demonstrated, simply Just.... Doesn't.... Know....
While 3dvision is alive, AMD will never be able to call me a customer. That's pretty huge since I am no hardware loyalist even in the slightest.
But if it fades away...
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[quote="D-Man11"]I'm sorry there MrInfinit3, but RonsonPL is correct. Prices have been artificially high due to a short supply.
Perhaps you can give an argument as to why Newegg allows 3rd party sellers to list $350 GTX 970s on their site for $500.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5752F66065&cm_re=gtx_970-_-9SIA5752F66065-_-Product[/quote]
I wasn't arguing the fact that prices have increased. Simply stating how it works "behind the scenes" as a retailer. "sUpply" is a concern and has a massive effect on prices as retailers cannot purchase the item "in bulk" from some distributors.
For example: We mainly use 3 distributors for our retail products: D&H, MaLabs, and VIP.
D&H states they have "slightly" over 1200 units in stock @ their Nevada warehouse. Ma Labs lists 18 units, and VIP is completely out of stock. Units purchased from D&H have a wholesale cost of approx. 30% less than MaLabs (42% if purchased in blocks of 10x+) Unfortunately; I can't post the actual wholesale cost here for obvious reasons... but let's break it down "hypothetically".
Say the per unit cost from distributor A is $100.
and...
Cost from distributor B is $130.
[i]For the sake of this...lets just say logistics are free.[/i]
The "typical" retail mark-up is ~20% for "most" retailers.
If the retailer is purchasing the unit from Distributor A his retail price would be ~$120USD
If the retailer purchased the item from Distributor B, his price would be $156USD.
Problem is (from a retailer's stand point) is that the "GOOD" (lower cost) distributors require a massive amount of conditions before they'll except your account... it's not like like signing-in/creating an account on newegg. For example D&H has minimum requirements of everything from the "business'" (not the owner's) credit history, # of "years" in business, must be bonded, all the way to a minimum quarterly number of orders/spending and (this is funny) a "presentable store front" (yes they require pictures). Where-as the more "Expensive" distributors require very little such as and "business" bank account and credit card with the business name printed on it.
Hell...We had a distributor at one time (early in our years) which had us sign paperwork "promising not to sell outside of the USA". Why? I don't think I'll ever know, as the distributor was a subsidiary of a company operated in Malaysia lol.
The point of explaining all that info is that not all retailers have access to the same distributor(s) and very few have "multiple" distributors... thus prices, which explains the retail cost variations.
However; with that being said, it's up to the retailer to adjust their pricing within "reason". It's always better to keep a customer rather than a bottom line. I specifically hired a guy to sit in front of a PC all day to monitor market variations. That's all he does.... once he notices something "notable" he lets me know and we try our best to accommodate it. (Am I making any sense here? lol)
Sad part is...today he's a little freaked out (I'm sure all the guys over at Nvidia are as well) as we've had some interesting trade notes made during the State of the Union address here in the US. While we are opening up trade with Cuba again (after 50+ years) we have threatened to stop/limit trade with China if they continue to back N. Korea. If this happens prices on PC hardware will increase "World Wide" as most "major" manufacturer's have their HQ here in N.America. So this is something to keep a close eye on. In my opinion; we're going to start seeing increases almost immediately as manufacturers prepare for the "what if" situation. Again; one of those wholesale cost variables (noted in last post) that will cause retailers and thus consumers to suffer. There's markup in everything and for multiple reasons, sadly the markup is VERY little when it comes to computer electronics (exception= monitors, speakers, input devices, and Intel "Extreme Ed." CPUs <---$200-$300 profit per chip, no joke ;) )
[quote]Perhaps you can give an argument as to why Newegg allows 3rd party sellers to list $350 GTX 970s on their site for $500.[/quote]
Because they're #@$hats...plain and simple.
For example: the "HOT" kids X-mas item this years were those little "Gummy Bear lights". They had a "retail" (MSRP) cost of $29.99. All the reputable retailers sold out within the 1st week of Dec. so what did we see? Resellers on Amazon, Ebay, and Newegg selling these "lights" for $299.99-$499.99 each.
Keep in mind "Anybody" can sell on newegg now, just like amazon, they just take 20% off the top of the sale up to $350USD. This is why we had all those posts here regarding "counterfeit" graphics cards purchased from the egg and Amazon. Though Amazon does not seem to care, at least Newegg removed the seller after a few hundred or so complaints. Funny thing is, the people over there had no idea these were "fake" products and were asking their customers to "prove it" (I still have the e-mails saved, arguing with the so-called "tech" from newegg...pretty funny too)
[quote]This technology deserves another big push.
How do you market 3D, when the consumer, unless physically demonstrated, simply Just.... Doesn't.... Know....
While 3dvision is alive, AMD will never be able to call me a customer. That's pretty huge since I am no hardware loyalist even in the slightest.[/quote] This is VERY true. Advertising is everything... just take a look at Apple. My kids call ALL MP3 players i-pods and you have no idea how many customers we get with either a Surface Pro, Galaxy tab, ect. coming in asking if we sell "I-pad" accessories. This "IS" the general public.... It's all in the marketing.
I wasn't arguing the fact that prices have increased. Simply stating how it works "behind the scenes" as a retailer. "sUpply" is a concern and has a massive effect on prices as retailers cannot purchase the item "in bulk" from some distributors.
For example: We mainly use 3 distributors for our retail products: D&H, MaLabs, and VIP.
D&H states they have "slightly" over 1200 units in stock @ their Nevada warehouse. Ma Labs lists 18 units, and VIP is completely out of stock. Units purchased from D&H have a wholesale cost of approx. 30% less than MaLabs (42% if purchased in blocks of 10x+) Unfortunately; I can't post the actual wholesale cost here for obvious reasons... but let's break it down "hypothetically".
Say the per unit cost from distributor A is $100.
and...
Cost from distributor B is $130. For the sake of this...lets just say logistics are free.
The "typical" retail mark-up is ~20% for "most" retailers.
If the retailer is purchasing the unit from Distributor A his retail price would be ~$120USD
If the retailer purchased the item from Distributor B, his price would be $156USD.
Problem is (from a retailer's stand point) is that the "GOOD" (lower cost) distributors require a massive amount of conditions before they'll except your account... it's not like like signing-in/creating an account on newegg. For example D&H has minimum requirements of everything from the "business'" (not the owner's) credit history, # of "years" in business, must be bonded, all the way to a minimum quarterly number of orders/spending and (this is funny) a "presentable store front" (yes they require pictures). Where-as the more "Expensive" distributors require very little such as and "business" bank account and credit card with the business name printed on it.
Hell...We had a distributor at one time (early in our years) which had us sign paperwork "promising not to sell outside of the USA". Why? I don't think I'll ever know, as the distributor was a subsidiary of a company operated in Malaysia lol.
The point of explaining all that info is that not all retailers have access to the same distributor(s) and very few have "multiple" distributors... thus prices, which explains the retail cost variations.
However; with that being said, it's up to the retailer to adjust their pricing within "reason". It's always better to keep a customer rather than a bottom line. I specifically hired a guy to sit in front of a PC all day to monitor market variations. That's all he does.... once he notices something "notable" he lets me know and we try our best to accommodate it. (Am I making any sense here? lol)
Sad part is...today he's a little freaked out (I'm sure all the guys over at Nvidia are as well) as we've had some interesting trade notes made during the State of the Union address here in the US. While we are opening up trade with Cuba again (after 50+ years) we have threatened to stop/limit trade with China if they continue to back N. Korea. If this happens prices on PC hardware will increase "World Wide" as most "major" manufacturer's have their HQ here in N.America. So this is something to keep a close eye on. In my opinion; we're going to start seeing increases almost immediately as manufacturers prepare for the "what if" situation. Again; one of those wholesale cost variables (noted in last post) that will cause retailers and thus consumers to suffer. There's markup in everything and for multiple reasons, sadly the markup is VERY little when it comes to computer electronics (exception= monitors, speakers, input devices, and Intel "Extreme Ed." CPUs <---$200-$300 profit per chip, no joke ;) )
Perhaps you can give an argument as to why Newegg allows 3rd party sellers to list $350 GTX 970s on their site for $500.
Because they're #@$hats...plain and simple.
For example: the "HOT" kids X-mas item this years were those little "Gummy Bear lights". They had a "retail" (MSRP) cost of $29.99. All the reputable retailers sold out within the 1st week of Dec. so what did we see? Resellers on Amazon, Ebay, and Newegg selling these "lights" for $299.99-$499.99 each.
Keep in mind "Anybody" can sell on newegg now, just like amazon, they just take 20% off the top of the sale up to $350USD. This is why we had all those posts here regarding "counterfeit" graphics cards purchased from the egg and Amazon. Though Amazon does not seem to care, at least Newegg removed the seller after a few hundred or so complaints. Funny thing is, the people over there had no idea these were "fake" products and were asking their customers to "prove it" (I still have the e-mails saved, arguing with the so-called "tech" from newegg...pretty funny too)
This technology deserves another big push.
How do you market 3D, when the consumer, unless physically demonstrated, simply Just.... Doesn't.... Know....
While 3dvision is alive, AMD will never be able to call me a customer. That's pretty huge since I am no hardware loyalist even in the slightest.
This is VERY true. Advertising is everything... just take a look at Apple. My kids call ALL MP3 players i-pods and you have no idea how many customers we get with either a Surface Pro, Galaxy tab, ect. coming in asking if we sell "I-pad" accessories. This "IS" the general public.... It's all in the marketing.
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Interesting back-story on the retailing, thanks for sharing.
Here's a price graph from camel-camel-camel that shows the last year's pricing on the 3D Vision kit off US amazon:
[img]http://charts.camelcamelcamel.com/us/B005XULTG6/amazon.png?force=1&zero=0&w=725&h=440&desired=false&legend=1&ilt=1&tp=all&fo=0&lang=en[/img]
It's interesting to see it spike over the holidays from $132 or so back to retail at $150.
I guess the real question is that supply or demand? Be really nice if it was demand.
http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Nvidia+3d+vision&N=-1&isNodeId=1
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-Vision-Wireless-Glasses-Kit/dp/B005WKFT18/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1421866132&sr=8-6&keywords=3dvision+2
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-Vision-Spectacles-Receptor-Emitter/dp/B005XULTG6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421866132&sr=8-1&keywords=3dvision+2
I see they are in stock... and I remember a moderator saying that is not discontinued...
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What's here to understand?
They simply lied, it IS discontinued, exactly like I said in a similar thread, where Nvidia said that "it's just a temporary hick-up, and a new shipment is on its way, it will be returning to normal in December"
Yeah. It is. It even showed up in my country. In two stores. Just 50% more espensive than it was sold before.
And it was overpriced even back then, before the shortage.
It doesn't look like continuing production to me. It doesn't look like availability will return to the levels before the shortage. And why should they restart the production properly? They don't care about 3D Vision at all. Well, maybe if it's usable to build marketing tool (VR Direct and 3D vision support), then, and only then, it will be mentioned anywhere.
Those glasses don't cost more than 20% of the retail price. It's just a rip-off. My friend was waiting since early December to buy V2 kit. But the price is just ridiculous. I understand a markup of 50%, even 70%. But this is 400-800%. I've bought CRT 3D glasses (Nvidia 3DVision's predecessor) for 15% of the price they ask now. Did LCD glasses got 1000% more expensive to produce, suddenly?
Or maybe IR emitter costs 100$ to produce? Or am I missing something?
I don't think I'm missing anything. I think I just use my eyes and see their attitude.
It fits exactly with Nvidia's motto: "They Way You're Meant To Be f...d"
Sorry for the tone, but as much as I like 3D Vision and the team of great engineers designing the GPUs, I really, really, reeeeeaaaally hate the way Nvidia does their business. And that's since over a decade. From lies about GF FX and their shader performance (cheating in numerous test, just because their cards were loosing to Radeons, badly) to fake Fermi card on the conference and saying it's a real card, to the things they've done to 3D Vision community recently.
Linus Torwalds is not my "guru", I don't even use Linux that much, but I think he was right when he gave his famous opinion about Nvidia. His "greetings" to the NV bosses were well deserved.
Such a great technology, such potential, but sure, you can inflate the price to ridiculous levels, switch the support to "compatibility mode" and say "people aren't interested in 3D anymore".
Genius...
If your local retailer is ripping you off, it's not Nvidia's fault. Thieves will be thieves.
First of all, sorry for the tone in the post above, written while still being angry after an attempt to help my friend buy 3DV2 kit for a normal price.
And yes, the kit interests me, not only glasses.
A few "buts"
- but this "hiccup" is going for half a year
- but I was writing about "my local" in term of the country (Poland), not store
- but I can see a few listed in UK, from 170£ (with shipping). I search on Amazon.co.uk and a year ago you could buy a kit for 90-105£ with shipping. Now there is one single offer for about 150£ with shipping, and a few more, mostly more expensive.
I didn't searched in third country, like I used to, and I can see it was a mistake, since there are 3DV kits available in Germany, for 153€, which would give you 130£ in the exchange rates a year ago, when you could easily find those 90-105£ kits on amazon.co.uk. Still 30% more.
To put in in the perspective - I've got friends who earn 300€ for a month, netto, and that's all they have to live. I understand that for some, a 3DV kit costing a lot is not a big deal, but when I see 3d vision 2 kits in Poland starting from 190€ in November and now, after the "new shippement" I see only one shop actually having them, and for 160€, I can't help but feel that Nvidia's greed crossed the line of being offending to its costumers.
It's IR emitter and some really simple 2 LCD glasses. I don't think Nvidia wouldn't earn money if they sold it at 30% of that steep price.
They've always been $99, which is the suggested retail price. Or, $150 for the kit.
I can understand charging a little more if it has to be imported, but it is crazy what some unscrupulous retailers are willing to charge. We can only hope that St Peter gives them the boot at the gate.
*edit* and he posted while I was typing lol
Nvidia is not selling these kits at said prices, your retailer/e-tailer is.
The retailer does not buy the kits from Nvidia directly. Nvidia sold these kits to the distributor, which are then purchased by the retailer for resale purposes, at which point the retailer sets "x" price.
These kits could have been sold "to the distributor" months/years ago at which the distributor will adjust wholesale prices based on "current" variables which range from import/duty taxes, to logistics, to average consumer income, to simple supply & demand. The retailer purchases the kit(s) at the distributor's modified wholesale price, then adjusts the price of the kit(s) based on the same variables.
Think of it like fuel/petrol prices and how they vary everyday, even though the fuel/oil may have been purchased at "X" rate 5-6 years ago. Electronics are not as "bad" at varying in consumer costs as oil; as they typically change on a quarterly basis rather than daily, but it's the same principle.
Although; unlike oil, there is no obligation to keep prices "low" (standard across the board) on this item as it is a "luxury" item rather than "necessity".
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Perhaps you can give an argument as to why Newegg allows 3rd party sellers to list $350 GTX 970s on their site for $500.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5752F66065&cm_re=gtx_970-_-9SIA5752F66065-_-Product
It's just another source of income that nvidia makes from 3dvision that they don't seem to want to acknowledge. Between the crazy glasses markup, the extra powerful hardware most of us buy to compensate for halved framerates, and the fact that 3dvision has made us impenetrable to any marketing AMD throw at us, you'd really think nvidia would be more appreciative of their little golden goose.
The Masses are fawning over 4k, When the most substantial Graphic improvement you can achieve is a properly configured 3Dvision setup. Raw resolution ultimately has diminishing returns for video games. While the movie industry has tarnished their view on what real 3D support actually is. Shrouding the vital point that depth and interaction changes the experience entirely.
They simply just don't know, and the developer support is a travesty. How many games now have been fixed by the users and community developers?...
This technology deserves another big push.
How do you market 3D, when the consumer, unless physically demonstrated, simply Just.... Doesn't.... Know....
While 3dvision is alive, AMD will never be able to call me a customer. That's pretty huge since I am no hardware loyalist even in the slightest.
But if it fades away...
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I wasn't arguing the fact that prices have increased. Simply stating how it works "behind the scenes" as a retailer. "sUpply" is a concern and has a massive effect on prices as retailers cannot purchase the item "in bulk" from some distributors.
For example: We mainly use 3 distributors for our retail products: D&H, MaLabs, and VIP.
D&H states they have "slightly" over 1200 units in stock @ their Nevada warehouse. Ma Labs lists 18 units, and VIP is completely out of stock. Units purchased from D&H have a wholesale cost of approx. 30% less than MaLabs (42% if purchased in blocks of 10x+) Unfortunately; I can't post the actual wholesale cost here for obvious reasons... but let's break it down "hypothetically".
Say the per unit cost from distributor A is $100.
and...
Cost from distributor B is $130.
For the sake of this...lets just say logistics are free.
The "typical" retail mark-up is ~20% for "most" retailers.
If the retailer is purchasing the unit from Distributor A his retail price would be ~$120USD
If the retailer purchased the item from Distributor B, his price would be $156USD.
Problem is (from a retailer's stand point) is that the "GOOD" (lower cost) distributors require a massive amount of conditions before they'll except your account... it's not like like signing-in/creating an account on newegg. For example D&H has minimum requirements of everything from the "business'" (not the owner's) credit history, # of "years" in business, must be bonded, all the way to a minimum quarterly number of orders/spending and (this is funny) a "presentable store front" (yes they require pictures). Where-as the more "Expensive" distributors require very little such as and "business" bank account and credit card with the business name printed on it.
Hell...We had a distributor at one time (early in our years) which had us sign paperwork "promising not to sell outside of the USA". Why? I don't think I'll ever know, as the distributor was a subsidiary of a company operated in Malaysia lol.
The point of explaining all that info is that not all retailers have access to the same distributor(s) and very few have "multiple" distributors... thus prices, which explains the retail cost variations.
However; with that being said, it's up to the retailer to adjust their pricing within "reason". It's always better to keep a customer rather than a bottom line. I specifically hired a guy to sit in front of a PC all day to monitor market variations. That's all he does.... once he notices something "notable" he lets me know and we try our best to accommodate it. (Am I making any sense here? lol)
Sad part is...today he's a little freaked out (I'm sure all the guys over at Nvidia are as well) as we've had some interesting trade notes made during the State of the Union address here in the US. While we are opening up trade with Cuba again (after 50+ years) we have threatened to stop/limit trade with China if they continue to back N. Korea. If this happens prices on PC hardware will increase "World Wide" as most "major" manufacturer's have their HQ here in N.America. So this is something to keep a close eye on. In my opinion; we're going to start seeing increases almost immediately as manufacturers prepare for the "what if" situation. Again; one of those wholesale cost variables (noted in last post) that will cause retailers and thus consumers to suffer. There's markup in everything and for multiple reasons, sadly the markup is VERY little when it comes to computer electronics (exception= monitors, speakers, input devices, and Intel "Extreme Ed." CPUs <---$200-$300 profit per chip, no joke ;) )
Because they're #@$hats...plain and simple.
For example: the "HOT" kids X-mas item this years were those little "Gummy Bear lights". They had a "retail" (MSRP) cost of $29.99. All the reputable retailers sold out within the 1st week of Dec. so what did we see? Resellers on Amazon, Ebay, and Newegg selling these "lights" for $299.99-$499.99 each.
Keep in mind "Anybody" can sell on newegg now, just like amazon, they just take 20% off the top of the sale up to $350USD. This is why we had all those posts here regarding "counterfeit" graphics cards purchased from the egg and Amazon. Though Amazon does not seem to care, at least Newegg removed the seller after a few hundred or so complaints. Funny thing is, the people over there had no idea these were "fake" products and were asking their customers to "prove it" (I still have the e-mails saved, arguing with the so-called "tech" from newegg...pretty funny too)
This is VERY true. Advertising is everything... just take a look at Apple. My kids call ALL MP3 players i-pods and you have no idea how many customers we get with either a Surface Pro, Galaxy tab, ect. coming in asking if we sell "I-pad" accessories. This "IS" the general public.... It's all in the marketing.
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Here's a price graph from camel-camel-camel that shows the last year's pricing on the 3D Vision kit off US amazon:
It's interesting to see it spike over the holidays from $132 or so back to retail at $150.
I guess the real question is that supply or demand? Be really nice if it was demand.
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