GTX 690 for sale on newegg CHEAP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125698 DANG, that's some awesome stereo 3D power for that price. If I had the money I would buy one just to have an extra for SLI. Best card I've ever owned! Someone needs to snatch this up QUICK.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125698


DANG, that's some awesome stereo 3D power for that price. If I had the money I would buy one just to have an extra for SLI. Best card I've ever owned! Someone needs to snatch this up QUICK.

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#1
Posted 12/04/2014 06:18 PM   
I think id rather buy gtx970 instead. Not as fast as 690 when sli works, but its cheaper, has 4gb of vram and is a single gpu card. Easy to sli for more power, im one of those who never go tri-sli or quad-sli.
I think id rather buy gtx970 instead. Not as fast as 690 when sli works, but its cheaper, has 4gb of vram and is a single gpu card. Easy to sli for more power, im one of those who never go tri-sli or quad-sli.

#2
Posted 12/04/2014 06:57 PM   
The only thing I worry about with later series cards is Driver support, they've been breaking a lot of things and causing a lot of issues with 3D Vision as of late and if the newer cards won't work with older relatively stable Drivers then they may become(or already are) practically useless for hardcore 3D Vision users.
The only thing I worry about with later series cards is Driver support, they've been breaking a lot of things and causing a lot of issues with 3D Vision as of late and if the newer cards won't work with older relatively stable Drivers then they may become(or already are) practically useless for hardcore 3D Vision users.
#3
Posted 12/04/2014 07:07 PM   
I bought two 970s to replace my 2 690s. Power requirement and usage were my biggest factors
I bought two 970s to replace my 2 690s.

Power requirement and usage were my biggest factors

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#4
Posted 12/04/2014 07:15 PM   
Also, that 690 only has 2G of VRAM for each side. In my opinion, 2G is a non-starter nowadays because of the new consoles. All the new console ports are requiring at least 3G to run at their best. If you want to play older stuff though- this card is absolutely a terrific choice. Best driver support, crazy good performance.
Also, that 690 only has 2G of VRAM for each side. In my opinion, 2G is a non-starter nowadays because of the new consoles. All the new console ports are requiring at least 3G to run at their best.

If you want to play older stuff though- this card is absolutely a terrific choice. Best driver support, crazy good performance.

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#5
Posted 12/04/2014 08:19 PM   
Not sure I understand the 3DMark 11- using your metric and others on the search, the 690 is P35202. [url]http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8436042/3dm11/5117669[/url] More to the point, NVidia themselves say that the 690 is quite a lot faster than a single 780ti or even a single Titan Black. When using SLI of course, which works more often than not in older drivers, broken and buggy in latest drivers. (I used to run SLI 580) Anandtech game comparison of 690 to 970: [url]http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1184?vs=1355[/url] At the same price, a single 970 isn't even close to the performance. Someone [i]might [/i]be better off with a 970, but certainly not everyone. [img]http://international.download.nvidia.com/webassets/en_US/shared/images/products/shared/lineup.png[/img] Water cooling a 690 is not that big a stretch? Am I missing something? [url]http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c311/s1687/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Water_Blocks_VGA_-_Card_-_nVidia-GTX_690_Water_Blocks-Page1.html[/url] GTX 690 at $350 is a great deal, as long as you aren't focused on the newest games. Anyone presently running a 970 or 980 is locked into the latest drivers, and typically can't use SLI. Right at this second, I would much prefer a 690 over even an SLI 970.
Not sure I understand the 3DMark 11- using your metric and others on the search, the 690 is P35202.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8436042/3dm11/5117669


More to the point, NVidia themselves say that the 690 is quite a lot faster than a single 780ti or even a single Titan Black. When using SLI of course, which works more often than not in older drivers, broken and buggy in latest drivers. (I used to run SLI 580)

Anandtech game comparison of 690 to 970:
http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1184?vs=1355


At the same price, a single 970 isn't even close to the performance. Someone might be better off with a 970, but certainly not everyone.

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Water cooling a 690 is not that big a stretch? Am I missing something?

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GTX 690 at $350 is a great deal, as long as you aren't focused on the newest games.

Anyone presently running a 970 or 980 is locked into the latest drivers, and typically can't use SLI. Right at this second, I would much prefer a 690 over even an SLI 970.

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#6
Posted 12/05/2014 09:41 AM   
Ehrm,... I'm trying to be objective here (obviously I'm a little biased since I own one) but it seems to me like a lot of crap is being tossed around on this thread. Honestly I'm not that heavily into keeping up with the bleeding edge of hardware nowadays, but the simple fact remains that the 690 is STILL rated as the second-fastest video card that NVidia produces - as posted by bo3B above. Also verified by Tom's Hardware, so whatever... if you guys wanna poo-poo on a good deal, that's your prerogative. Obviously it won't hold such a title for much longer, and if it was the end-all, be all for video cards, then Nvidia would need to close up shop and give up on trying to make something better. All I know is that it IS an excellent card - best one I've ever owned. A massive leap from the Fermi cards, but massively underwhelming compared to Maxwell? Hmm, I doubt it.
Ehrm,... I'm trying to be objective here (obviously I'm a little biased since I own one) but it seems to me like a lot of crap is being tossed around on this thread. Honestly I'm not that heavily into keeping up with the bleeding edge of hardware nowadays, but the simple fact remains that the 690 is STILL rated as the second-fastest video card that NVidia produces - as posted by bo3B above. Also verified by Tom's Hardware, so whatever... if you guys wanna poo-poo on a good deal, that's your prerogative. Obviously it won't hold such a title for much longer, and if it was the end-all, be all for video cards, then Nvidia would need to close up shop and give up on trying to make something better. All I know is that it IS an excellent card - best one I've ever owned. A massive leap from the Fermi cards, but massively underwhelming compared to Maxwell? Hmm, I doubt it.

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#7
Posted 12/05/2014 01:43 PM   
We were just trying to be objective too. Its not that the 690 is a bad card, but 970 is cheaper single gpu card with double the vram and just around 10-20% slower than 690(if sli works as intended). Sli has been working extremely badly on recent games too, even in nv sponsored games. Only variable on the 970 are the drivers though, but im not too worried. And yeah, i honestly think 690 is bad buy at that price point if you want any future proof. Might be ok if you mainly play older titles, but i would still take 970 over 690 easily at these prices.
We were just trying to be objective too. Its not that the 690 is a bad card, but 970 is cheaper single gpu card with double the vram and just around 10-20% slower than 690(if sli works as intended). Sli has been working extremely badly on recent games too, even in nv sponsored games. Only variable on the 970 are the drivers though, but im not too worried.

And yeah, i honestly think 690 is bad buy at that price point if you want any future proof. Might be ok if you mainly play older titles, but i would still take 970 over 690 easily at these prices.

#8
Posted 12/05/2014 01:58 PM   
As I said I had 2 GTX 690s. But being limited to 2GIGs of VRAM was becoming more of a hassle. Yes a 690 at $350 is nice. It is good for older games and can work with newer games by lowering graphic settings. But a 690 is really not future proofing at this moment. I was well aware that 1 970 is not as powerful as 1 690 with SLI on, however 2 970s is more powerful than 1 690 and based on this discount the SLI 970 is double the price. The last time I checked i was unable to locate a New 690. Do note I spent over $1000 USD for each of my 690s so I did not take my decision lightly when I chose to basically side grade. Based on the fact that SLI does not scale that well above dual and worst off with QUAD, I had little to any performance gains running Quad SLI on the 690s. Maybe 2 to 5 frames on average more with QUAD over SLI. Nvidia also removed the option to run one of the GPUs as dedicated when using surround, thus forcing me to either remove the 2nd 690 or the SLI bridge if I wanted to use less than 4 GPUs for Surround (BF4 didn't play nicely with QUAD SLI). The 690 is a good Card but a 970 while not as powerful in games that utilize less than 2 gigs of VRAM gives more options when dealing with newer games (Which seem to love using extra memory for limited graphic improvement). The fact that the 900 series cards run cooler (on stock coolers) and utilize less power makes considering them over older technology worthwhile.
As I said I had 2 GTX 690s. But being limited to 2GIGs of VRAM was becoming more of a hassle. Yes a 690 at $350 is nice. It is good for older games and can work with newer games by lowering graphic settings. But a 690 is really not future proofing at this moment. I was well aware that 1 970 is not as powerful as 1 690 with SLI on, however 2 970s is more powerful than 1 690 and based on this discount the SLI 970 is double the price. The last time I checked i was unable to locate a New 690. Do note I spent over $1000 USD for each of my 690s so I did not take my decision lightly when I chose to basically side grade.

Based on the fact that SLI does not scale that well above dual and worst off with QUAD, I had little to any performance gains running Quad SLI on the 690s. Maybe 2 to 5 frames on average more with QUAD over SLI. Nvidia also removed the option to run one of the GPUs as dedicated when using surround, thus forcing me to either remove the 2nd 690 or the SLI bridge if I wanted to use less than 4 GPUs for Surround (BF4 didn't play nicely with QUAD SLI). The 690 is a good Card but a 970 while not as powerful in games that utilize less than 2 gigs of VRAM gives more options when dealing with newer games (Which seem to love using extra memory for limited graphic improvement). The fact that the 900 series cards run cooler (on stock coolers) and utilize less power makes considering them over older technology worthwhile.

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#9
Posted 12/05/2014 04:20 PM   
Yes, I was using the 3D Mark browser, and I think you are right that is for 4-way SLI, so throw that out. It looks to be closer to 17K with comparable CPU: [url]http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8754224[/url] I'm not too sure about that earlier guru3d result, it seems off, based on browsing the 3DMark results. Could be a different version of the benchmark. In any case, I don't think synthetic benchmarks are worth very much. I really only care about real world differences in games, and it's too hard to extrapolate with any precision from synthetics. The NVidia graph and 3D Mark are interesting from a relative standpoint, but aren't super useful. The 970 review you link there is far superior, showing game results. As expected the 690 is quite a lot faster than the 970 in a lot of games. Look at Tomb Raider and BF4 for example. A 20% actual frame rate improvement for half the money is nothing to sneeze at. A single 970 is just not as fast as a 690. It just isn't. Going from 62 fps to 74 fps in BF4 at 1440p is not a small difference. There are other reasons that maybe trump the performance, particularly future-proofing if someone subscribes to that idea. I personally think that future-proofing is a fools-errand, and a sure way to spend more than you need to. Take as exhibit 1: 'next-gen' games. The assumption was that 780ti or 780 was future proofing, as recently as 5 months ago. Now we know that those cards are crippled by 3G of VRAM because of the new console architecture. Future proofing is not really possible, because of unforeseeable detours like this. Volnaiskra and I had this conversation earlier- and it really depends on where you are at in your life. If you have more money than time, it doesn't hurt to buy top of the line and save yourself time, knowing it's not the best value. If you have more time than money, it's probably better to buy only what you need for the moment. This 690 deal would be particularly good for someone in that latter category.
Yes, I was using the 3D Mark browser, and I think you are right that is for 4-way SLI, so throw that out. It looks to be closer to 17K with comparable CPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8754224
I'm not too sure about that earlier guru3d result, it seems off, based on browsing the 3DMark results. Could be a different version of the benchmark.

In any case, I don't think synthetic benchmarks are worth very much. I really only care about real world differences in games, and it's too hard to extrapolate with any precision from synthetics. The NVidia graph and 3D Mark are interesting from a relative standpoint, but aren't super useful.


The 970 review you link there is far superior, showing game results. As expected the 690 is quite a lot faster than the 970 in a lot of games. Look at Tomb Raider and BF4 for example. A 20% actual frame rate improvement for half the money is nothing to sneeze at.

A single 970 is just not as fast as a 690. It just isn't. Going from 62 fps to 74 fps in BF4 at 1440p is not a small difference.


There are other reasons that maybe trump the performance, particularly future-proofing if someone subscribes to that idea. I personally think that future-proofing is a fools-errand, and a sure way to spend more than you need to.

Take as exhibit 1: 'next-gen' games. The assumption was that 780ti or 780 was future proofing, as recently as 5 months ago. Now we know that those cards are crippled by 3G of VRAM because of the new console architecture. Future proofing is not really possible, because of unforeseeable detours like this.

Volnaiskra and I had this conversation earlier- and it really depends on where you are at in your life. If you have more money than time, it doesn't hurt to buy top of the line and save yourself time, knowing it's not the best value. If you have more time than money, it's probably better to buy only what you need for the moment. This 690 deal would be particularly good for someone in that latter category.

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#10
Posted 12/05/2014 10:02 PM   
... Well, like you said, there is no GTX 790... or 990... 4X sli may not scale very well, but I do have a 1200w PSU, and already own one 690. So for someone in my particular situation, it could still be a logical upgrade. Trouble is, I don't have the $350 of disposable income at the moment. I appreciate the technical input though. You definitely know a lot more than I do about GPUs. I wasn't aware that the new consoles need 3 GB of Vram... so that's definitely something to consider. I personally have very little time for gaming nowadays, and therefore have not purchased any new AAA titles. The only one on the horizon that I have definite plans to buy is Batman: Arkham Knight. I am anxious to play the game on high settings, but it remains to be seen how possible that will be. We don't even know if it will run in S3D yet...
... Well, like you said, there is no GTX 790... or 990...

4X sli may not scale very well, but I do have a 1200w PSU, and already own one 690. So for someone in my particular situation, it could still be a logical upgrade. Trouble is, I don't have the $350 of disposable income at the moment.

I appreciate the technical input though. You definitely know a lot more than I do about GPUs. I wasn't aware that the new consoles need 3 GB of Vram... so that's definitely something to consider.

I personally have very little time for gaming nowadays, and therefore have not purchased any new AAA titles. The only one on the horizon that I have definite plans to buy is Batman: Arkham Knight. I am anxious to play the game on high settings, but it remains to be seen how possible that will be. We don't even know if it will run in S3D yet...

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#11
Posted 12/08/2014 06:20 PM   
[quote="SnickerSnack"]... Well, like you said, there is no GTX 790... or 990... 4X sli may not scale very well, but I do have a 1200w PSU, and already own one 690. So for someone in my particular situation, it could still be a logical upgrade. Trouble is, I don't have the $350 of disposable income at the moment. I appreciate the technical input though. You definitely know a lot more than I do about GPUs. I wasn't aware that the new consoles need 3 GB of Vram... so that's definitely something to consider. I personally have very little time for gaming nowadays, and therefore have not purchased any new AAA titles. The only one on the horizon that I have definite plans to buy is Batman: Arkham Knight. I am anxious to play the game on high settings, but it remains to be seen how possible that will be. We don't even know if it will run in S3D yet...[/quote] Hmm good luck with that when you do get the funds. It depends on how much longer you will sit on the 690 without upgrading. In games that utilize less than 2GB of VRAM I get the same performance with my SLI 970s that I got with the Dual 690s. Games that need more than 2GB of VRAM.. well the SLI 970s outshine them. I have one 690 in another rig and one in a box.
SnickerSnack said:... Well, like you said, there is no GTX 790... or 990...

4X sli may not scale very well, but I do have a 1200w PSU, and already own one 690. So for someone in my particular situation, it could still be a logical upgrade. Trouble is, I don't have the $350 of disposable income at the moment.

I appreciate the technical input though. You definitely know a lot more than I do about GPUs. I wasn't aware that the new consoles need 3 GB of Vram... so that's definitely something to consider.

I personally have very little time for gaming nowadays, and therefore have not purchased any new AAA titles. The only one on the horizon that I have definite plans to buy is Batman: Arkham Knight. I am anxious to play the game on high settings, but it remains to be seen how possible that will be. We don't even know if it will run in S3D yet...


Hmm good luck with that when you do get the funds. It depends on how much longer you will sit on the 690 without upgrading. In games that utilize less than 2GB of VRAM I get the same performance with my SLI 970s that I got with the Dual 690s. Games that need more than 2GB of VRAM.. well the SLI 970s outshine them.

I have one 690 in another rig and one in a box.

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#12
Posted 12/08/2014 08:13 PM   
@vulcan78: Thanks for providing that tidbit on the SLI bits, it helps a lot of people because stuff here shows up in Google searches. For me, the real question is when, or if, NVidia gets their act together with SLI. It's been more than 9 months now since we got into the 344 driver branch, and SLI has sucked in every driver released. 3D Vision itself has sucked in every driver from this branch. If they aren't going to get their act together, then SLI 970 is actually not viable, and 690 IS viable because you can run older drivers that aren't broken. I think it is premature to call it nostalgic. Right at the moment, and for the foreseeable future, there is no way I would go 970 SLI. I'd either keep older cards with driver options, or go with 980 if I felt I had to.
@vulcan78: Thanks for providing that tidbit on the SLI bits, it helps a lot of people because stuff here shows up in Google searches.


For me, the real question is when, or if, NVidia gets their act together with SLI. It's been more than 9 months now since we got into the 344 driver branch, and SLI has sucked in every driver released. 3D Vision itself has sucked in every driver from this branch.

If they aren't going to get their act together, then SLI 970 is actually not viable, and 690 IS viable because you can run older drivers that aren't broken. I think it is premature to call it nostalgic.

Right at the moment, and for the foreseeable future, there is no way I would go 970 SLI. I'd either keep older cards with driver options, or go with 980 if I felt I had to.

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#13
Posted 12/08/2014 10:46 PM   
[quote="vulcan78"]Pirateguybrush suggested simply turning off 3D Vision each and every time I intend to get on the web but this is going to be a total pain and what if I am stuck in a game or having an issue where I normally alt+tab out and open chrome and research it? I will have to close the game down first, and deal with loading etc. [/quote] Just FYI, I did exactly this earlier today while playing Dead Space. After alt tabbing, I was able to disable 3D, start Chrome, enable 3D, and alt tab back in without any problems. Don't know if it'll work for every game, but it at least works some of the time.
vulcan78 said:Pirateguybrush suggested simply turning off 3D Vision each and every time I intend to get on the web but this is going to be a total pain and what if I am stuck in a game or having an issue where I normally alt+tab out and open chrome and research it? I will have to close the game down first, and deal with loading etc.
Just FYI, I did exactly this earlier today while playing Dead Space. After alt tabbing, I was able to disable 3D, start Chrome, enable 3D, and alt tab back in without any problems. Don't know if it'll work for every game, but it at least works some of the time.

#14
Posted 12/09/2014 05:16 AM   
@ bo3b: I agree with you in that it is premature to call a 690 'nostalgic' or 'obsolete.' But I don't agree that the current driver issues are reason enough to buy a 690 without having some unique circumstances to take advantage of it. I feel confident that NVidia will sort out the driver issues eventually... or soon enough... however you want to phrase it. So some current driver issues wouldn't keep me from buying a Maxwell GPU. Thing is, I have no reason to upgrade to a Maxwell right this minute, so I have no qualms about letting the driver stuff sort itself out while I game on my 690. I would love to plug in a second one in the meantime, but still can't justify the cheap price tag - not because it isn't a value, but because I simply can't afford it right now.
@ bo3b: I agree with you in that it is premature to call a 690 'nostalgic' or 'obsolete.' But I don't agree that the current driver issues are reason enough to buy a 690 without having some unique circumstances to take advantage of it. I feel confident that NVidia will sort out the driver issues eventually... or soon enough... however you want to phrase it. So some current driver issues wouldn't keep me from buying a Maxwell GPU. Thing is, I have no reason to upgrade to a Maxwell right this minute, so I have no qualms about letting the driver stuff sort itself out while I game on my 690. I would love to plug in a second one in the meantime, but still can't justify the cheap price tag - not because it isn't a value, but because I simply can't afford it right now.

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Posted 12/09/2014 01:29 PM   
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