Some medical doubts when using 3D Vision
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I'm pretty sure that 3D doesn't harm kids in the least, and can conceivably even be helpful. Those eye warnings come about because lawyers love to introduce a little fear into everything so that they can then make money if anything happens. We already have at least two wide-spread examples of kids using 3D for long periods of time, with no harm. If anyone has a sense of history, the first time was around the 1900s when stereoscopic viewing was THE craze. The hand held stereograms of the era were huge, and a serious entertainment with no electronics yet. You know for a fact that kids were using stereograms a lot, and that generation grew up with no known eye maladies. The second time around was with the ViewMaster, for boomer generation kids, who spent hours and hours looking at 3D landscapes and photos and characters. If someone was harmed by looking at 3D, we haven't heard about it. Lastly, 3D movies today are pretty much all about the kids. It's low depth, but it's hours long, and also seen on home TVs. In today's world, if there were harm to be seen, you can bet your last nickel that a lawyer would have been all over it. More mindless FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) from our good friends, the lawyers. We used to call it FUD, now it's terrorism. Just be afraid. Worry. Change your habits. That's the main thing.
I'm pretty sure that 3D doesn't harm kids in the least, and can conceivably even be helpful. Those eye warnings come about because lawyers love to introduce a little fear into everything so that they can then make money if anything happens.

We already have at least two wide-spread examples of kids using 3D for long periods of time, with no harm.

If anyone has a sense of history, the first time was around the 1900s when stereoscopic viewing was THE craze. The hand held stereograms of the era were huge, and a serious entertainment with no electronics yet. You know for a fact that kids were using stereograms a lot, and that generation grew up with no known eye maladies.

The second time around was with the ViewMaster, for boomer generation kids, who spent hours and hours looking at 3D landscapes and photos and characters. If someone was harmed by looking at 3D, we haven't heard about it.

Lastly, 3D movies today are pretty much all about the kids. It's low depth, but it's hours long, and also seen on home TVs. In today's world, if there were harm to be seen, you can bet your last nickel that a lawyer would have been all over it.


More mindless FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) from our good friends, the lawyers. We used to call it FUD, now it's terrorism. Just be afraid. Worry. Change your habits. That's the main thing.

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#31
Posted 06/03/2014 10:13 PM   
I think this is a very interesting thread. I've been meaning to share my story on the forums here for a little while now, and while I don't have time to do that this second (I do hope to do so soon), I felt the need to chime in here. To make a long story really short- I started seeing with stereovision last year, at the age of 25, after being stereoblind my entire life. (An incredible story; as I said, one day, hopefully soon, I'll have time to share it with you guys, as I think people here will appreciate it more than most). The point I want to make here though, is that I know what it is like to see both with and without stereovision, and I can say for a fact that using my 3D Vision monitor has helped improve my stereovision. Last year, after I started seeing the world in 3D, I tried using my brother's 3D projector again, and not only did it work for me (in that I saw the 3D image, which I couldn't in the past), but I could feel my eye muscles working in ways they had never done before. After taking off the glasses, I noticed that my stereovision was that much better. It was so amazing that I went and bought my own 3D Vision monitor right away. Using it is like going to the gym, but for my eye muscles. Absolutely amazing. Plus, now I can tell myself that I don't just play games for fun, but also to improve my vision. There's actually quite a bit of research done in this area, of using stereoscopic displays as a way to correct stereovision. Now, I'm not a doctor, and I can't really comment on how this all might affect children, but I suspect it would only be helpful to them, as it is in my case. Of course, don't take my word for it. As a parent, you have to decide what is best for your children.
I think this is a very interesting thread. I've been meaning to share my story on the forums here for a little while now, and while I don't have time to do that this second (I do hope to do so soon), I felt the need to chime in here. To make a long story really short- I started seeing with stereovision last year, at the age of 25, after being stereoblind my entire life. (An incredible story; as I said, one day, hopefully soon, I'll have time to share it with you guys, as I think people here will appreciate it more than most).

The point I want to make here though, is that I know what it is like to see both with and without stereovision, and I can say for a fact that using my 3D Vision monitor has helped improve my stereovision. Last year, after I started seeing the world in 3D, I tried using my brother's 3D projector again, and not only did it work for me (in that I saw the 3D image, which I couldn't in the past), but I could feel my eye muscles working in ways they had never done before. After taking off the glasses, I noticed that my stereovision was that much better. It was so amazing that I went and bought my own 3D Vision monitor right away. Using it is like going to the gym, but for my eye muscles. Absolutely amazing. Plus, now I can tell myself that I don't just play games for fun, but also to improve my vision. There's actually quite a bit of research done in this area, of using stereoscopic displays as a way to correct stereovision.

Now, I'm not a doctor, and I can't really comment on how this all might affect children, but I suspect it would only be helpful to them, as it is in my case. Of course, don't take my word for it. As a parent, you have to decide what is best for your children.

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#32
Posted 06/04/2014 07:54 AM   
[quote="bo3b"]I'm a hard science guy, and there isn't any credible evidence that EM fields have any negative biological effects. It's possible to measure some activity in the lab at high amplitudes, but there isn't any indication it has negative effects. Anyone can of course find whatever nonsense they want on the internet and choose superstition over science, but I recommend against it. EM radiation has been extensively studied because of cell-phones. If there were any significant effect, we would have seen it by now. There have been extensive studies with respect to living next to power lines, another theoretical risk that has not been seen to cause problems in animal studies. Please don't live your lives in fear, this is the very essence of terrorism- making you afraid for no reason. And yes I consider all that fake reporting to be a form of terrorism. [/quote] Well if you really want to prove that theory go up on a active cell tower and stay there for a while lets see what happens
bo3b said:I'm a hard science guy, and there isn't any credible evidence that EM fields have any negative biological effects. It's possible to measure some activity in the lab at high amplitudes, but there isn't any indication it has negative effects.

Anyone can of course find whatever nonsense they want on the internet and choose superstition over science, but I recommend against it.

EM radiation has been extensively studied because of cell-phones. If there were any significant effect, we would have seen it by now. There have been extensive studies with respect to living next to power lines, another theoretical risk that has not been seen to cause problems in animal studies.

Please don't live your lives in fear, this is the very essence of terrorism- making you afraid for no reason. And yes I consider all that fake reporting to be a form of terrorism.



Well if you really want to prove that theory go up on a active cell tower and stay there for a while lets see what happens

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#33
Posted 06/04/2014 08:51 AM   
[url]http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/cellular-phone-towers[/url] There are a lot of things that are fine for us in small, normal doses, but are bad in doses that are thousands of times higher. Potassium, Vitamins A, D, and E, alcohol, sunlight, etc etc. I'm sure we're safe with our 3D equipment.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/cellular-phone-towers

There are a lot of things that are fine for us in small, normal doses, but are bad in doses that are thousands of times higher. Potassium, Vitamins A, D, and E, alcohol, sunlight, etc etc.

I'm sure we're safe with our 3D equipment.

#34
Posted 06/04/2014 09:40 AM   
[quote="The_Nephilim"][quote="bo3b"]I'm a hard science guy, and there isn't any credible evidence that EM fields have any negative biological effects. It's possible to measure some activity in the lab at high amplitudes, but there isn't any indication it has negative effects. Anyone can of course find whatever nonsense they want on the internet and choose superstition over science, but I recommend against it. EM radiation has been extensively studied because of cell-phones. If there were any significant effect, we would have seen it by now. There have been extensive studies with respect to living next to power lines, another theoretical risk that has not been seen to cause problems in animal studies. Please don't live your lives in fear, this is the very essence of terrorism- making you afraid for no reason. And yes I consider all that fake reporting to be a form of terrorism. [/quote] Well if you really want to prove that theory go up on a active cell tower and stay there for a while lets see what happens [/quote] What would it prove though? Only that you shouldn't climb a cell tower and sit there for days on end. Like most things, distance to/from and volume of exposure would seem to matter.
The_Nephilim said:
bo3b said:I'm a hard science guy, and there isn't any credible evidence that EM fields have any negative biological effects. It's possible to measure some activity in the lab at high amplitudes, but there isn't any indication it has negative effects.

Anyone can of course find whatever nonsense they want on the internet and choose superstition over science, but I recommend against it.

EM radiation has been extensively studied because of cell-phones. If there were any significant effect, we would have seen it by now. There have been extensive studies with respect to living next to power lines, another theoretical risk that has not been seen to cause problems in animal studies.

Please don't live your lives in fear, this is the very essence of terrorism- making you afraid for no reason. And yes I consider all that fake reporting to be a form of terrorism.



Well if you really want to prove that theory go up on a active cell tower and stay there for a while lets see what happens


What would it prove though? Only that you shouldn't climb a cell tower and sit there for days on end. Like most things, distance to/from and volume of exposure would seem to matter.

#35
Posted 06/04/2014 11:25 AM   
[quote="The_Nephilim"]Well if you really want to prove that theory go up on a active cell tower and stay there for a while lets see what happens[/quote]Oh, I would absolutely be happy to do so, although it would never convince any nay-sayers because then they'd just say "well you didn't sit there long enough." I have a degree in Electrical Engineering from waaay back, and when I was in school I got shot up with all sorts of radiation in the labs. EM fields millions of times larger than normal, some radiation from nuclear experiments in the labs, power line caliber generators and motors, high frequency microwaves for communications, you name it. It was all extremely interesting. I, for one, absolutely refuse to live my life in fear.
The_Nephilim said:Well if you really want to prove that theory go up on a active cell tower and stay there for a while lets see what happens
Oh, I would absolutely be happy to do so, although it would never convince any nay-sayers because then they'd just say "well you didn't sit there long enough."

I have a degree in Electrical Engineering from waaay back, and when I was in school I got shot up with all sorts of radiation in the labs. EM fields millions of times larger than normal, some radiation from nuclear experiments in the labs, power line caliber generators and motors, high frequency microwaves for communications, you name it. It was all extremely interesting.

I, for one, absolutely refuse to live my life in fear.

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#36
Posted 06/04/2014 10:36 PM   
[quote="b4thman"]everybody knows that it is recomended to use the mobile phone at some distance[/quote] Classic fallacy of argument from omniscience. I was hoping this thread would die a quick death but people keep replying. I think this has all the hallmarks of a troll, even though OP claims it not to be. Do we really need to entertain tin foil hatters looking for attention? It perhaps quells some fears by some users but mostly it serves to give the bizarre idea credence. @bo3b: Plot twist: The radiation from your degree mutated the fear sensing braincells into ones which make you believe 4GB of ram is enough on an otherwise superb setup ;-)
b4thman said:everybody knows that it is recomended to use the mobile phone at some distance


Classic fallacy of argument from omniscience.

I was hoping this thread would die a quick death but people keep replying. I think this has all the hallmarks of a troll, even though OP claims it not to be.

Do we really need to entertain tin foil hatters looking for attention?

It perhaps quells some fears by some users but mostly it serves to give the bizarre idea credence.

@bo3b:
Plot twist: The radiation from your degree mutated the fear sensing braincells into ones which make you believe 4GB of ram is enough on an otherwise superb setup ;-)

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#37
Posted 06/04/2014 11:25 PM   
I highly doubt 3D is bad for children's eyes. In the 80s and early 90's, my eye doctor had a 3D viewmaster type device to test the eyes for something (i forgot). They are also still selling viewmasters (a children's toy by fisherprice) and I've never seen one complaint about those. Or the red/cyan glasses that come with some coloring books. The only thing that may happen to anyone's eyes from viewing 3D alot is that you will learn how to move your eyes separately from each other but that deals with eye muscles being stronger. So when you start daydreaming it will look like you are cockeyed until you wake up back to full consciousness. But your eyes go in weird directions apart from each other when you sleep anyways. Other than that, I don't think it harms vision.
I highly doubt 3D is bad for children's eyes. In the 80s and early 90's, my eye doctor had a 3D viewmaster type device to test the eyes for something (i forgot). They are also still selling viewmasters (a children's toy by fisherprice) and I've never seen one complaint about those. Or the red/cyan glasses that come with some coloring books. The only thing that may happen to anyone's eyes from viewing 3D alot is that you will learn how to move your eyes separately from each other but that deals with eye muscles being stronger. So when you start daydreaming it will look like you are cockeyed until you wake up back to full consciousness. But your eyes go in weird directions apart from each other when you sleep anyways. Other than that, I don't think it harms vision.

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#38
Posted 06/04/2014 11:40 PM   
@woz2601: Thanks for sharing your story, terrific! @ragedemon: Heh! I like your parable, except it has another surprise twist. Since EMF exposure apparently gave me an engineers brain, I am compelled to actually measure stuff- and I haven't previously run across a single game that requires even 4G, let alone more. Until Watch Dogs. Where I retrieved my other 4G stick from my alternate game PC so I could play stutter-free. For what it's worth, here is Bo3b's rule for determining whether any given story is factual, or terrorism: Do they [i]ever [/i]talk about positive side effects? If it only speaks to how it can be bad, ignore that information source as lies or worse. Remember, fear sells. Case in point, you always hear about radiation from cell phones being a risk, but have you heard that pulsed EMF is now a standard of care for broken bones? Or examples like woz2601 where 3D is actually quite beneficial? I'm just arguing that you need to study the whole picture, and not just focus on the FUD.
@woz2601: Thanks for sharing your story, terrific!

@ragedemon: Heh! I like your parable, except it has another surprise twist. Since EMF exposure apparently gave me an engineers brain, I am compelled to actually measure stuff- and I haven't previously run across a single game that requires even 4G, let alone more. Until Watch Dogs. Where I retrieved my other 4G stick from my alternate game PC so I could play stutter-free.


For what it's worth, here is Bo3b's rule for determining whether any given story is factual, or terrorism: Do they ever talk about positive side effects? If it only speaks to how it can be bad, ignore that information source as lies or worse. Remember, fear sells.

Case in point, you always hear about radiation from cell phones being a risk, but have you heard that pulsed EMF is now a standard of care for broken bones?

Or examples like woz2601 where 3D is actually quite beneficial?

I'm just arguing that you need to study the whole picture, and not just focus on the FUD.

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#39
Posted 06/05/2014 12:40 AM   
It's pretty strange how defensive and knee-jerk this topic is making so many people. If someone is hesitant to blindly interpret science's lack of conclusive answers on this issue as a green light to never question radiation again, then that's their perogative. If that makes them over-cautious or even paranoid, then that's their prerogative also. Storming in waving your fists to try and save them from their own concerns just makes you seem like the unhinged ones, in my opinion. This thread has been blown way out of proportion. This is evidently an emotional issue for people on both sides of the fence, which means that trying to change people's minds about it in a forum post will be almost as pointless as trying to do so about religion or abortion. Unless you actually have a history of successfully winning people over by shouting them down and belittling their position. If so, then you are a very special person, because no one's ever managed to achieve that on the internet before. [quote="woz2601"]Now, I'm not a doctor, and I can't really comment on how this all might affect children, but I suspect it would only be helpful to them, as it is in my case. Of course, don't take my word for it. As a parent, you have to decide what is best for your children.[/quote][quote="bo3b"]I'm pretty sure that 3D doesn't harm kids in the least, and can conceivably even be helpful. [/quote] I don't believe anyone here has said that 3D per se is bad for kids. One or two people simply mentioned that long hours of *screen time in general* was bad for kids. And that even though 3D was probably better than 2D, it was still screentime: sitting on your arse staring straight ahead at a screen full of somewhat unnatural light (projected rather than reflected) instead of going outside and playing in the fresh air and exercising your body. That's hardly a damning or controversial statement. Relax. No one is screaming about 3D being bad for kids, except perhaps the fictional people in your head with whom you're arguing. EDIT: Bah. I must have taken my grumpy pills today. Sorry.
It's pretty strange how defensive and knee-jerk this topic is making so many people.

If someone is hesitant to blindly interpret science's lack of conclusive answers on this issue as a green light to never question radiation again, then that's their perogative. If that makes them over-cautious or even paranoid, then that's their prerogative also.

Storming in waving your fists to try and save them from their own concerns just makes you seem like the unhinged ones, in my opinion. This thread has been blown way out of proportion. This is evidently an emotional issue for people on both sides of the fence, which means that trying to change people's minds about it in a forum post will be almost as pointless as trying to do so about religion or abortion.

Unless you actually have a history of successfully winning people over by shouting them down and belittling their position. If so, then you are a very special person, because no one's ever managed to achieve that on the internet before.

woz2601 said:Now, I'm not a doctor, and I can't really comment on how this all might affect children, but I suspect it would only be helpful to them, as it is in my case. Of course, don't take my word for it. As a parent, you have to decide what is best for your children.
bo3b said:I'm pretty sure that 3D doesn't harm kids in the least, and can conceivably even be helpful.


I don't believe anyone here has said that 3D per se is bad for kids. One or two people simply mentioned that long hours of *screen time in general* was bad for kids. And that even though 3D was probably better than 2D, it was still screentime: sitting on your arse staring straight ahead at a screen full of somewhat unnatural light (projected rather than reflected) instead of going outside and playing in the fresh air and exercising your body. That's hardly a damning or controversial statement.

Relax. No one is screaming about 3D being bad for kids, except perhaps the fictional people in your head with whom you're arguing.


EDIT: Bah. I must have taken my grumpy pills today. Sorry.

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#40
Posted 06/05/2014 01:40 AM   
Haha. Reading these forums just makes me crack up sometimes. Hilarious stuff here. [quote="bo3b"] Bo3b's rule for determining whether any given story is factual, or terrorism: Do they [i]ever [/i]talk about positive side effects? If it only speaks to how it can be bad, ignore that information source as lies or worse. Remember, fear sells.[/quote] That's amazing, I love that. Can I quote you on that? Bo3b's Rule For Determining Terrorism. By the way, me and my brother have been wondering how to pronounce your name. Usually we just say "Bob", but sometimes its "Bob 3D", or "Bo-thre-b". Any official pronunciation?
Haha. Reading these forums just makes me crack up sometimes. Hilarious stuff here.

bo3b said: Bo3b's rule for determining whether any given story is factual, or terrorism: Do they ever talk about positive side effects? If it only speaks to how it can be bad, ignore that information source as lies or worse. Remember, fear sells.


That's amazing, I love that. Can I quote you on that? Bo3b's Rule For Determining Terrorism.

By the way, me and my brother have been wondering how to pronounce your name. Usually we just say "Bob", but sometimes its "Bob 3D", or "Bo-thre-b". Any official pronunciation?

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#41
Posted 06/05/2014 02:39 AM   
Like all rules, it has its limits. I've never read anything about the benefits of mercury ingestion, rape, or playing Duke Nukem Forever. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore everything I've read about their harmfulness.
Like all rules, it has its limits.

I've never read anything about the benefits of mercury ingestion, rape, or playing Duke Nukem Forever. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore everything I've read about their harmfulness.

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#42
Posted 06/05/2014 02:54 AM   
I hear that. Obviously, some things are just plain bad for you, even in small doses. I guess part of the reason I like it so much is because it reminds me of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard's_First_Rule]The Wizard's First Rule[/url]: [quote]People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.[/quote] It's from a fictional fantasy novel, but I read that book when I was a kid, and it has always seemed to be true to me.
I hear that. Obviously, some things are just plain bad for you, even in small doses. I guess part of the reason I like it so much is because it reminds me of The Wizard's First Rule:

People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.


It's from a fictional fantasy novel, but I read that book when I was a kid, and it has always seemed to be true to me.

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#43
Posted 06/05/2014 03:51 AM   
Since when did radiation get the all clear? Isn't almost any amount of radiation capable of changing small elements of cells like DNA? There must be animals tests that confirm or deny that. [quote]People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.[/quote] Hey, Tony Robbins everybody...
Since when did radiation get the all clear? Isn't almost any amount of radiation capable of changing small elements of cells like DNA? There must be animals tests that confirm or deny that.


People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.

Hey, Tony Robbins everybody...

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#44
Posted 06/05/2014 04:38 AM   
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair[/url] A little radiation is fine, natural, and unavoidable. It's everywhere. Yes, it does damage DNA, but our bodies quite simply repair it. It's only very high levels of radiation that cause problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair

A little radiation is fine, natural, and unavoidable. It's everywhere. Yes, it does damage DNA, but our bodies quite simply repair it. It's only very high levels of radiation that cause problems.

#45
Posted 06/05/2014 04:43 AM   
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