List of Compatible True 120hz LCD Is there an LCD that is bigger than 22 inches thats true 120hz?
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Hello everyone,
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I have been searching the internet for a TRUE 120Hz LCD that is larger than the 22'' on Nvidia.com Can we start a list of ALL TRUE 120Hz 3d Stereo Compatible LCD's?[/color]
I have been searching the internet for a TRUE 120Hz LCD that is larger than the 22'' on Nvidia.com Can we start a list of ALL TRUE 120Hz 3d Stereo Compatible LCD's?
To further this. Will *ANY* DLP TV work? or does it have to explicitly state it is '3D ready'? ie. is it just the fact that it is a DLP TV that makes it compatible, or is there something more to it?
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.
To further this. Will *ANY* DLP TV work? or does it have to explicitly state it is '3D ready'? ie. is it just the fact that it is a DLP TV that makes it compatible, or is there something more to it?
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.
[quote name='PreZ' post='498029' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:21 PM']To further this. Will *ANY* DLP TV work? or does it have to explicitly state it is '3D ready'? ie. is it just the fact that it is a DLP TV that makes it compatible, or is there something more to it?
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.[/quote]
Hi There,
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2365&p_created=1233178617&p_sid=jKODm9pj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MywzJnBfcHJvZHM9MTMyJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9MS4xMzImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNhbXN1bmc*&p_li=&p_topview=1"] Samsung DLP[/url].
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.
[quote name='PreZ' post='498029' date='Jan 28 2009, 05:21 PM']To further this. Will *ANY* DLP TV work? or does it have to explicitly state it is '3D ready'? ie. is it just the fact that it is a DLP TV that makes it compatible, or is there something more to it?
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.
Hi There,
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a Samsung DLP.
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2365&p_created=1233178617&p_sid=jKODm9pj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MywzJnBfcHJvZHM9MTMyJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9MS4xMzImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNhbXN1bmc*&p_li=&p_topview=1"] Samsung DLP[/url].
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.[/quote]
Andrew,
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a Samsung DLP.
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.
Andrew,
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.
[quote name='HenryRollins' post='499017' date='Jan 30 2009, 11:49 AM']Andrew,
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.[/quote]
Henry
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.
Henry
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.
The pn50a450 (720p 50" Samsung 3D ready Plasma) works perfectly with a fullscreen native resolution of 1365 x 768 (= no black boarder and no need to wait for driver fix)..... guess buying a 720p paid off after all. What's more, with use of a miniDIN-3 splitter (I built my own) you can use your ssg1000 Samsung glasses and emitter at the same time with no interference.
The pn50a450 (720p 50" Samsung 3D ready Plasma) works perfectly with a fullscreen native resolution of 1365 x 768 (= no black boarder and no need to wait for driver fix)..... guess buying a 720p paid off after all. What's more, with use of a miniDIN-3 splitter (I built my own) you can use your ssg1000 Samsung glasses and emitter at the same time with no interference.
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.[/quote]
Hi, I am on the DLP side of things, coming from a shuttter user since the 5200. And all useless drivers for step ups from mtbs. I am excited to see the future of the geforce to make up the gap of support for the 2 years when I bought a 8800gts for the sole reason of exciting 3d support along with alot of users. Then there was none . Now I got dual 8800gt , not built yet, even bought the 60735 dlp just because you said it will work. I didnt loose faith. Make us dedicated Nvidia Users PROUD!
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.
Hi, I am on the DLP side of things, coming from a shuttter user since the 5200. And all useless drivers for step ups from mtbs. I am excited to see the future of the geforce to make up the gap of support for the 2 years when I bought a 8800gts for the sole reason of exciting 3d support along with alot of users. Then there was none . Now I got dual 8800gt , not built yet, even bought the 60735 dlp just because you said it will work. I didnt loose faith. Make us dedicated Nvidia Users PROUD!
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.
Next time they come up with some new fancy 3D solution, they will stop supporting 3D vision glasses.
Same happened with Creative when they released X-fi. No more support for older soundcards like Audigy 2. Now I have to use some homemade hacked drivers to keep it running on Vista.
Well, a bit off-topic...
Anyways, I'm waiting for some time before buying those glasses.
Next time they come up with some new fancy 3D solution, they will stop supporting 3D vision glasses.
Same happened with Creative when they released X-fi. No more support for older soundcards like Audigy 2. Now I have to use some homemade hacked drivers to keep it running on Vista.
Well, a bit off-topic...
Anyways, I'm waiting for some time before buying those glasses.
[quote name='borg_of_starligh' post='501810' date='Feb 5 2009, 09:16 PM']Hi, I am on the DLP side of things, coming from a shuttter user since the 5200. And all useless drivers for step ups from mtbs. I am excited to see the future of the geforce to make up the gap of support for the 2 years when I bought a 8800gts for the sole reason of exciting 3d support along with alot of users. Then there was none . Now I got dual 8800gt , not built yet, even bought the 60735 dlp just because you said it will work. I didnt loose faith. Make us dedicated Nvidia Users PROUD![/quote]
Henry
We have been doing more testing on Smasung DLPs as well. We have a new article online about how to get good compatbility with the Samsung and are working on more driver tweaks.
[quote name='borg_of_starligh' post='501810' date='Feb 5 2009, 09:16 PM']Hi, I am on the DLP side of things, coming from a shuttter user since the 5200. And all useless drivers for step ups from mtbs. I am excited to see the future of the geforce to make up the gap of support for the 2 years when I bought a 8800gts for the sole reason of exciting 3d support along with alot of users. Then there was none . Now I got dual 8800gt , not built yet, even bought the 60735 dlp just because you said it will work. I didnt loose faith. Make us dedicated Nvidia Users PROUD!
Henry
We have been doing more testing on Smasung DLPs as well. We have a new article online about how to get good compatbility with the Samsung and are working on more driver tweaks.
[quote name='genetic' post='501920' date='Feb 6 2009, 05:36 AM']To be fair,
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.[/quote]
Hi Guys
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
[list]
[*]Jen-hsun Huang, [url="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10060"]Our CEO on Charlie Rose last night[/url]. If you skip to about the 28 mins and 45 secs you will see Jen-hsun showing 3D Vision glasses, because he believes in the product and the technology.
[*] [url="http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_burnoutparadise_home.html"]Burnout Paradise [/url]just launched. We've been working with the developer to ensure it looks great in stereo. we are going to have a 3D game trailer online next week so look for it.
[*] Our [url="http://www.nvidia.com/content/graphicsplus/us/index.html"]entire Graphics Plus initiative [/url]includes GeForce 3D Vision. This is a web, print, and all media marketing effort, so we are dedicated marketing to promote it.
[/list]
You may want to also go read the [url="http://www.legitreviews.com/article/889/1/"]Legit Review [/url]article that just came out.
[quote name='genetic' post='501920' date='Feb 6 2009, 05:36 AM']To be fair,
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.
Hi Guys
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
Jen-hsun Huang, Our CEO on Charlie Rose last night. If you skip to about the 28 mins and 45 secs you will see Jen-hsun showing 3D Vision glasses, because he believes in the product and the technology.
Burnout Paradise just launched. We've been working with the developer to ensure it looks great in stereo. we are going to have a 3D game trailer online next week so look for it.
Our entire Graphics Plus initiative includes GeForce 3D Vision. This is a web, print, and all media marketing effort, so we are dedicated marketing to promote it.
You may want to also go read the Legit Review article that just came out.
Funny you mention Burnout paradise ultimate Andrew. I just downloaded the demo and it wont work for me in s3d.. i can get no convergence even after turning off blur and all effects. Is that a profile problem not recognizing the exe name or is the demo different from the full copy?
On a related notes is there a way to get around the profile seeming to lock out certain unprofiled games executables from even attempting to go into stereo? Or is that not what is happening? Will the stereo drivers go into s3d on a game if the profile does not exist or the executable name is not recognized? I have a few older games i would love to try on stereo but they dont seem able to switch into s3d?
While I am asking questions Andrew how do we get the latest profile updates? does that only happen when a new stereo driver version is released?
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
[list]
[*]Jen-hsun Huang, [url="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10060"]Our CEO on Charlie Rose last night[/url]. If you skip to about the 28 mins and 45 secs you will see Jen-hsun showing 3D Vision glasses, because he believes in the product and the technology.
[*] [url="http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_burnoutparadise_home.html"]Burnout Paradise [/url]just launched. We've been working with the developer to ensure it looks great in stereo. we are going to have a 3D game trailer online next week so look for it.
[*] Our [url="http://www.nvidia.com/content/graphicsplus/us/index.html"]entire Graphics Plus initiative [/url]includes GeForce 3D Vision. This is a web, print, and all media marketing effort, so we are dedicated marketing to promote it.
[/list]
You may want to also go read the [url="http://www.legitreviews.com/article/889/1/"]Legit Review [/url]article that just came out.[/quote]
Funny you mention Burnout paradise ultimate Andrew. I just downloaded the demo and it wont work for me in s3d.. i can get no convergence even after turning off blur and all effects. Is that a profile problem not recognizing the exe name or is the demo different from the full copy?
On a related notes is there a way to get around the profile seeming to lock out certain unprofiled games executables from even attempting to go into stereo? Or is that not what is happening? Will the stereo drivers go into s3d on a game if the profile does not exist or the executable name is not recognized? I have a few older games i would love to try on stereo but they dont seem able to switch into s3d?
While I am asking questions Andrew how do we get the latest profile updates? does that only happen when a new stereo driver version is released?
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
Jen-hsun Huang, Our CEO on Charlie Rose last night. If you skip to about the 28 mins and 45 secs you will see Jen-hsun showing 3D Vision glasses, because he believes in the product and the technology.
Burnout Paradise just launched. We've been working with the developer to ensure it looks great in stereo. we are going to have a 3D game trailer online next week so look for it.
Our entire Graphics Plus initiative includes GeForce 3D Vision. This is a web, print, and all media marketing effort, so we are dedicated marketing to promote it.
You may want to also go read the Legit Review article that just came out.
I am still waiting for an explain to justify the movement adopted some months ago to force consumers to buy ONLY one monitor in the market (Zalman) ant to buy ONLY one O.S. (Windows Vista). More if we see that Nvidia had another solution in his mind at these moments.
Having that in mind, it would have been too much better for all of us to support all previous solutions, or support nothing. That movement caused people bought something without sense.
Nvidia must think in more things to do the things well.
I am still waiting for an explain to justify the movement adopted some months ago to force consumers to buy ONLY one monitor in the market (Zalman) ant to buy ONLY one O.S. (Windows Vista). More if we see that Nvidia had another solution in his mind at these moments.
Having that in mind, it would have been too much better for all of us to support all previous solutions, or support nothing. That movement caused people bought something without sense.
Nvidia must think in more things to do the things well.
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I have been searching the internet for a TRUE 120Hz LCD that is larger than the 22'' on Nvidia.com Can we start a list of ALL TRUE 120Hz 3d Stereo Compatible LCD's?[/color]
I have been searching the internet for a TRUE 120Hz LCD that is larger than the 22'' on Nvidia.com Can we start a list of ALL TRUE 120Hz 3d Stereo Compatible LCD's?
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.
120hz is the only criteria to make a screen 3D-ready, but it needs to be TRUE 120hz. not some "motionflow" or "truemotion".
I agree, there's large compatibility hole because there are no mid-scale 120hz screens on the market right now. We have to wait some time.
120hz is the only criteria to make a screen 3D-ready, but it needs to be TRUE 120hz. not some "motionflow" or "truemotion".
I agree, there's large compatibility hole because there are no mid-scale 120hz screens on the market right now. We have to wait some time.
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.[/quote]
Hi There,
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2365&p_created=1233178617&p_sid=jKODm9pj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MywzJnBfcHJvZHM9MTMyJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9MS4xMzImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNhbXN1bmc*&p_li=&p_topview=1"] Samsung DLP[/url].
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.
The same goes for 120hz LCDs, is the simple fact they're 120hz enough to make it compatible? or is there something ELSE that also needs to be there to make it '3D ready'?
I ask because I am looking for something in the 30-36" range (34" would probably be ideal). Right now, as the parent noted, the LCD's are plateauing at 22", I believe I saw one 24".
The DLP TV's are STARTING at 50" (and I think the smallest one listed on the main nVidia site is 60"). This leaves quite a large compatibility hole. One that I am sure in the coming months since this release will soon be filled by many different vendors, both LCD and HDTV vendors encroaching on each other's territory. So I want to know if I see a DLP TV or 120hz LCD in my target size in the future, I can assume it is compatible.
Personally I'd prefer an LCD, because 30" LCDs support resolutions of 2560x1600, where as DLP TV's top out about 1920x1080.
Hi There,
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a Samsung DLP.
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2365&p_created=1233178617&p_sid=jKODm9pj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MywzJnBfcHJvZHM9MTMyJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9MS4xMzImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNhbXN1bmc*&p_li=&p_topview=1"] Samsung DLP[/url].
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.[/quote]
Andrew,
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.
Let me try to explain the different display technologies we support.
DLPs
- We have tested and validated almost all Mitsubishi DLPs to date and have done additional work to support them. There is an option in our Control Panel and Wizard which explicitly finds Mitsubishi and helps you set it up.
- We have not had a chance to validate all Samsung DLPs yet. There are some issues we are still working through, and here's one knowledge base article on how to setup a Samsung DLP.
120 Hz LCDs
- There has been some confusion in the market about 120 Hz display support. HDTV LCDs on the market today operate at a 120 Hz refresh rate (frequency), but they only accept a 60 Hz input. 3D Vision requires a display that can accept a 120 Hz input in order to operate and display all frames. Samsung and ViewSonic are the first two LCDs to be pure 120 Hz LCDs.
- The best way to check if your LCD supports 3D Vision is to check our System Requirements at www.nvidia.com/get3d since we always keep that list up to date.
Hope this helps and I am happy to answer any additional questions.
Andrew,
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.[/quote]
Henry
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.
Thank you for the info. The link you have provided takes us to a program that will analyze our systems for compatibility. The problem with this is 120Hz are new which means none of your customers have an LCD that is compatible. LCD users will have to purchase a new LCD to use 3d Stereo. We need a continually updated list of compatible LCD's which will translate into more sales for NVIDIA.
Henry
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.[/quote]
Hi, I am on the DLP side of things, coming from a shuttter user since the 5200. And all useless drivers for step ups from mtbs. I am excited to see the future of the geforce to make up the gap of support for the 2 years when I bought a 8800gts for the sole reason of exciting 3d support along with alot of users. Then there was none . Now I got dual 8800gt , not built yet, even bought the 60735 dlp just because you said it will work. I didnt loose faith. Make us dedicated Nvidia Users PROUD!
Our list online is the latest list of LCDs. Fundamentally the new 120 Hz LCD technology is brand new, and more LCDs makers will be making compatible displays.
Hi, I am on the DLP side of things, coming from a shuttter user since the 5200. And all useless drivers for step ups from mtbs. I am excited to see the future of the geforce to make up the gap of support for the 2 years when I bought a 8800gts for the sole reason of exciting 3d support along with alot of users. Then there was none . Now I got dual 8800gt , not built yet, even bought the 60735 dlp just because you said it will work. I didnt loose faith. Make us dedicated Nvidia Users PROUD!
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.
Next time they come up with some new fancy 3D solution, they will stop supporting 3D vision glasses.
Same happened with Creative when they released X-fi. No more support for older soundcards like Audigy 2. Now I have to use some homemade hacked drivers to keep it running on Vista.
Well, a bit off-topic...
Anyways, I'm waiting for some time before buying those glasses.
Next time they come up with some new fancy 3D solution, they will stop supporting 3D vision glasses.
Same happened with Creative when they released X-fi. No more support for older soundcards like Audigy 2. Now I have to use some homemade hacked drivers to keep it running on Vista.
Well, a bit off-topic...
Anyways, I'm waiting for some time before buying those glasses.
Henry
We have been doing more testing on Smasung DLPs as well. We have a new article online about how to get good compatbility with the Samsung and are working on more driver tweaks.
[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2365&p_created=1233178617&p_sid=ItdDLPpj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MywzJnBfcHJvZHM9MTMyJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9MS4xMzImcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXNhbXN1bmc*&p_li=&p_topview=1"]Support Article.[/url]
Henry
We have been doing more testing on Smasung DLPs as well. We have a new article online about how to get good compatbility with the Samsung and are working on more driver tweaks.
Support Article.
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.[/quote]
Hi Guys
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
[list]
[*]Jen-hsun Huang, [url="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10060"]Our CEO on Charlie Rose last night[/url]. If you skip to about the 28 mins and 45 secs you will see Jen-hsun showing 3D Vision glasses, because he believes in the product and the technology.
[*] [url="http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_burnoutparadise_home.html"]Burnout Paradise [/url]just launched. We've been working with the developer to ensure it looks great in stereo. we are going to have a 3D game trailer online next week so look for it.
[*] Our [url="http://www.nvidia.com/content/graphicsplus/us/index.html"]entire Graphics Plus initiative [/url]includes GeForce 3D Vision. This is a web, print, and all media marketing effort, so we are dedicated marketing to promote it.
[/list]
You may want to also go read the [url="http://www.legitreviews.com/article/889/1/"]Legit Review [/url]article that just came out.
It should be pointed out that you can loose support for your 3D solution at any time.
That is what happened to most of us here. Nvidia supported my Z800 HMD until they simply decided to not include support for it in the next drivers. My HMD was produced in 2005 and the last official drivers for it are from 2006.
This is not a joke. Nvidia can and will cut support for whatever 3D viewing solution you may purchase. It happened to me and I am very much not alone.
Andrew, I Dont want to attack you on this but you and I both know that Nvida cannot be trusted to provide driver support for 3D solutions. I swear on my 7800 GTX (which is the most powerful GPU that my Nvidia drivers will support) that this is true.
But please Andrew, tell them that I am wrong. I realy want to hear you say that.
The old people here know this but the new people also shold know.
Hi Guys
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
You may want to also go read the Legit Review article that just came out.
On a related notes is there a way to get around the profile seeming to lock out certain unprofiled games executables from even attempting to go into stereo? Or is that not what is happening? Will the stereo drivers go into s3d on a game if the profile does not exist or the executable name is not recognized? I have a few older games i would love to try on stereo but they dont seem able to switch into s3d?
While I am asking questions Andrew how do we get the latest profile updates? does that only happen when a new stereo driver version is released?
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' post='502194' date='Feb 6 2009, 04:59 PM']Hi Guys
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
[list]
[*]Jen-hsun Huang, [url="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10060"]Our CEO on Charlie Rose last night[/url]. If you skip to about the 28 mins and 45 secs you will see Jen-hsun showing 3D Vision glasses, because he believes in the product and the technology.
[*] [url="http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_burnoutparadise_home.html"]Burnout Paradise [/url]just launched. We've been working with the developer to ensure it looks great in stereo. we are going to have a 3D game trailer online next week so look for it.
[*] Our [url="http://www.nvidia.com/content/graphicsplus/us/index.html"]entire Graphics Plus initiative [/url]includes GeForce 3D Vision. This is a web, print, and all media marketing effort, so we are dedicated marketing to promote it.
[/list]
You may want to also go read the [url="http://www.legitreviews.com/article/889/1/"]Legit Review [/url]article that just came out.[/quote]
On a related notes is there a way to get around the profile seeming to lock out certain unprofiled games executables from even attempting to go into stereo? Or is that not what is happening? Will the stereo drivers go into s3d on a game if the profile does not exist or the executable name is not recognized? I have a few older games i would love to try on stereo but they dont seem able to switch into s3d?
While I am asking questions Andrew how do we get the latest profile updates? does that only happen when a new stereo driver version is released?
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' post='502194' date='Feb 6 2009, 04:59 PM']Hi Guys
I certainly apprecaite your point of view and I may ever convince you otherwise.
However I can tell you as a company, we fundamentally believe in stereoscopic 3D tecnology, we always have, we have just been working to make it better. For a lot of users what had been out in the market for 10 years has been good enough. But we want to really make it approachable to all users.
Stereoscopic 3D technology is a cornerstone of all of our marketing and engr efforts for the foreseeable future. I can show you some examples of how important it is to us:
You may want to also go read the Legit Review article that just came out.
Having that in mind, it would have been too much better for all of us to support all previous solutions, or support nothing. That movement caused people bought something without sense.
Nvidia must think in more things to do the things well.
Having that in mind, it would have been too much better for all of us to support all previous solutions, or support nothing. That movement caused people bought something without sense.
Nvidia must think in more things to do the things well.
- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)