Hello!
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.
CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus IX Hero
RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB 3866MHz
GPU: ASUS GTX 980 Ti STRIX
Monitor: ASUS VG248QE
Headset: G930 7.1 Wireless
[quote=""]Another pretty great review of 980ti.
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_980_ti_review,1.html[/url]
There are some further details there that are interesting. At 1080p, the difference between the two cards is visble, and the TitanX is 10-15% faster, instead of the 2-3% we've seen. Since the review sites are tending to jump on the 4K bandwagon, that suggests that at super high resolutions the core clock matters, at lower resolutions we see the core count matter. For 3D, I don't have a good sense for what would matter most.
They also use a thermal imaging camera and so you can directly see the impact of the 12G of VRAM:
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_x_review,10.html[/url]
This is definitely hurting the TitanX performance and overclock headroom. 12G is a bit too much for marketing purposes here, and it's a net negative. The 6G on the 980ti is a clearly better match to next-gen consoles, which is where all the games are going to come from for the foreseeable future.
On the other hand, launch driver totally sucks. Driver lock-in.
Worth noting, EVGA has a water cooled version of TitanX for $1100 which would presumably unleash that extra range you might want. [/quote]
Thanks for the links and information.
Regarding thermal headroom, my titan X doesn't hit even 70C boosting to 1190Mhz [with an aggressive fan profile: fan speed at 100 at 80C, fan speed at 80 at 70C, linearly connected. the Noise does not bother me coming from the same fan profile with a titan Z.]
So, speaking for my titan X unit in particular, I flashed a SC bios onto it and now hit around 73C at 1316Mhz boost, same fan profile.
I could potentially overvolt the core and go even higher till I hit 85C. So, so far, I haven't understood why users are saying the titan X is hot. My titan Z used to hit 83C easily on any load and throttle down (same fan profile).
I don't have a way to measure the VRM and DRAM temps ofcourse, but that article does show worryingly high 93C on the DRAM chips. However, that should only affect memory overclocking, yes? Not core overclocks.
And is the high DRM temps the reason why people are calling the X hot?
There are some further details there that are interesting. At 1080p, the difference between the two cards is visble, and the TitanX is 10-15% faster, instead of the 2-3% we've seen. Since the review sites are tending to jump on the 4K bandwagon, that suggests that at super high resolutions the core clock matters, at lower resolutions we see the core count matter. For 3D, I don't have a good sense for what would matter most.
They also use a thermal imaging camera and so you can directly see the impact of the 12G of VRAM:
This is definitely hurting the TitanX performance and overclock headroom. 12G is a bit too much for marketing purposes here, and it's a net negative. The 6G on the 980ti is a clearly better match to next-gen consoles, which is where all the games are going to come from for the foreseeable future.
On the other hand, launch driver totally sucks. Driver lock-in.
Worth noting, EVGA has a water cooled version of TitanX for $1100 which would presumably unleash that extra range you might want.
Thanks for the links and information.
Regarding thermal headroom, my titan X doesn't hit even 70C boosting to 1190Mhz [with an aggressive fan profile: fan speed at 100 at 80C, fan speed at 80 at 70C, linearly connected. the Noise does not bother me coming from the same fan profile with a titan Z.]
So, speaking for my titan X unit in particular, I flashed a SC bios onto it and now hit around 73C at 1316Mhz boost, same fan profile.
I could potentially overvolt the core and go even higher till I hit 85C. So, so far, I haven't understood why users are saying the titan X is hot. My titan Z used to hit 83C easily on any load and throttle down (same fan profile).
I don't have a way to measure the VRM and DRAM temps ofcourse, but that article does show worryingly high 93C on the DRAM chips. However, that should only affect memory overclocking, yes? Not core overclocks.
And is the high DRM temps the reason why people are calling the X hot?
[quote=""]Hello!
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.[/quote]
I am of the opinion that if you have a lot of backlog on steam and all those games run well at your desired res and frame rate on your current 780, just finish off that backlog before pascal arrives.
:D
Otherwise, if you want to play witcher 3 and arkham knight right now at the highest quality settings, buy the 980Ti today. Don't wait because the closer you get to pascal the less value in getting the 980Ti.
I got the titan X despite knowing a cut down version would be available soon but I finished a truckload of backlog games since march. Feel like I got my money's worth. :D I was coming from a titan Z and the recent slew of insufferable sli issues (on many, not all games) got me turned off from gaming for a long while. Sold the Z to an artist who does rendering and moved to the X. Happy gamer!
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.
I am of the opinion that if you have a lot of backlog on steam and all those games run well at your desired res and frame rate on your current 780, just finish off that backlog before pascal arrives.
:D
Otherwise, if you want to play witcher 3 and arkham knight right now at the highest quality settings, buy the 980Ti today. Don't wait because the closer you get to pascal the less value in getting the 980Ti.
I got the titan X despite knowing a cut down version would be available soon but I finished a truckload of backlog games since march. Feel like I got my money's worth. :D I was coming from a titan Z and the recent slew of insufferable sli issues (on many, not all games) got me turned off from gaming for a long while. Sold the Z to an artist who does rendering and moved to the X. Happy gamer!
[quote=""]Hello!
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.[/quote]
I agree with Mountainlifter- if you need the performance now, buy now. If not, wait. The cards will be faster, but I think people are expecting miracles out of a process shrink that isn't that likely to deliver.
Because we can expect it to always be faster in the future, I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is whether you find your current performance unacceptable or not.
IMO, the best way to handle the inevitable upgrades questions is to buy what you need and sell your old stuff to offset the cost.
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.
I agree with Mountainlifter- if you need the performance now, buy now. If not, wait. The cards will be faster, but I think people are expecting miracles out of a process shrink that isn't that likely to deliver.
Because we can expect it to always be faster in the future, I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is whether you find your current performance unacceptable or not.
IMO, the best way to handle the inevitable upgrades questions is to buy what you need and sell your old stuff to offset the cost.
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I think:
16FF+ will give that promised 40% increase at the same power draw.
I think HBM gen-2 will add much more, especially in VR and scenerios where there's not much work for the shaders and postprocess, but lots of pixels.
My guess is 1TB/s memory equipped Pascal should perform at least 2x better than Titan X.
The question remains when we'll see such card.
First Pascal cards might be on Gen1, as 0.75TB/s instead of 1TB/s is presented on the slide's graphs now, and there's "2-3 years from high-end to mainstream' in HBM .pdf on AMD's page. That could mean products for computing and professional jobs (like Quadro line) and any card for "mortals" could be delayed by a year or more until we see 1TB/s card for the prices like GTX980.
So it's really hard to predict what will happen, besides one thing: There's no chance we'll see 1TB/s Pascal sooner than a full year from now. Therefore "+1" to the above "buy now" advices.
BTW. Noone else is concerned about that huge gap in Synthetical 3DMark Pixel fillrate or 15% in that GTA V test on guru3d, which should be impossible if TX has only 10% more SMMs and a little lower clock?
I don't think it will be another "GTX970" controversy, but I'm really curious. Anandtech promised to look into it, but as of yet, didn't.
16FF+ will give that promised 40% increase at the same power draw.
I think HBM gen-2 will add much more, especially in VR and scenerios where there's not much work for the shaders and postprocess, but lots of pixels.
My guess is 1TB/s memory equipped Pascal should perform at least 2x better than Titan X.
The question remains when we'll see such card.
First Pascal cards might be on Gen1, as 0.75TB/s instead of 1TB/s is presented on the slide's graphs now, and there's "2-3 years from high-end to mainstream' in HBM .pdf on AMD's page. That could mean products for computing and professional jobs (like Quadro line) and any card for "mortals" could be delayed by a year or more until we see 1TB/s card for the prices like GTX980.
So it's really hard to predict what will happen, besides one thing: There's no chance we'll see 1TB/s Pascal sooner than a full year from now. Therefore "+1" to the above "buy now" advices.
BTW. Noone else is concerned about that huge gap in Synthetical 3DMark Pixel fillrate or 15% in that GTA V test on guru3d, which should be impossible if TX has only 10% more SMMs and a little lower clock?
I don't think it will be another "GTX970" controversy, but I'm really curious. Anandtech promised to look into it, but as of yet, didn't.
Just curious - did anybody managed to get one of this ? I mean 980ti. I just had second delay from etailer here in UK. That means another week or so.
More and more custom version is showing up there but I`ve picked up the obvious standard one and still have to wait for it. Crazy as it was with TX.
Just curious - did anybody managed to get one of this ? I mean 980ti. I just had second delay from etailer here in UK. That means another week or so.
More and more custom version is showing up there but I`ve picked up the obvious standard one and still have to wait for it. Crazy as it was with TX.
I've ordered one. Got so bored of waiting for AMD to show us what they have.
It'll be going back if the AMD FURY is a monster though.
I went for the EVGA 980TI SC with the standard cooler as I'm going to stick a water-block on it.
It's from Scan as should be with me tomorrow.
I hope it's faster than my 690 at 4k!
Nvidia have played the oldest trick in the book with their customers.
Charge you £1000 for a card then bring out a similar performing card for £600.
Everyone thinks it's a deal (wow same performance for nearly half the price) but it's just to make you not think that the price of gfx cards have gone up from £300-£350 to £550-£650 in about 2 years! What a joke!
Anyone want to buy a 690?? lol
I've ordered one. Got so bored of waiting for AMD to show us what they have.
It'll be going back if the AMD FURY is a monster though.
I went for the EVGA 980TI SC with the standard cooler as I'm going to stick a water-block on it.
It's from Scan as should be with me tomorrow.
I hope it's faster than my 690 at 4k!
Nvidia have played the oldest trick in the book with their customers.
Charge you £1000 for a card then bring out a similar performing card for £600.
Everyone thinks it's a deal (wow same performance for nearly half the price) but it's just to make you not think that the price of gfx cards have gone up from £300-£350 to £550-£650 in about 2 years! What a joke!
Anyone want to buy a 690?? lol
[quote=""]I've ordered one. Got so bored of waiting for AMD to show us what they have.
It'll be going back if the AMD FURY is a monster though.
I went for the EVGA 980TI SC with the standard cooler as I'm going to stick a water-block on it.
It's from Scan as should be with me tomorrow.
I hope it's faster than my 690 at 4k!
Nvidia have played the oldest trick in the book with their customers.
Charge you £1000 for a card then bring out a similar performing card for £600.
Everyone thinks it's a deal (wow same performance for nearly half the price) but it's just to make you not think that the price of gfx cards have gone up from £300-£350 to £550-£650 in about 2 years! What a joke!
Anyone want to buy a 690?? lol[/quote]
Better don`t get it before I get mine or I go berserk - I`ve ordered mine on release day and I had two delays already. That might be end of mine relations with Scan etailer. They pissed me off when I had to wait for TX and now this.
said:I've ordered one. Got so bored of waiting for AMD to show us what they have.
It'll be going back if the AMD FURY is a monster though.
I went for the EVGA 980TI SC with the standard cooler as I'm going to stick a water-block on it.
It's from Scan as should be with me tomorrow.
I hope it's faster than my 690 at 4k!
Nvidia have played the oldest trick in the book with their customers.
Charge you £1000 for a card then bring out a similar performing card for £600.
Everyone thinks it's a deal (wow same performance for nearly half the price) but it's just to make you not think that the price of gfx cards have gone up from £300-£350 to £550-£650 in about 2 years! What a joke!
Anyone want to buy a 690?? lol
Better don`t get it before I get mine or I go berserk - I`ve ordered mine on release day and I had two delays already. That might be end of mine relations with Scan etailer. They pissed me off when I had to wait for TX and now this.
This might interest you:
It's in Polish, but the language of graphs and images is international. ;)
http://pclab.pl/art64026-37.html
Non-reference 980ti vs. TitanX. OC'ed vs. OC'ed.
980ti wins. :D
[quote=""]This might interest you:
It's in Polish, but the language of graphs and images is international. ;)
http://pclab.pl/art64026-37.html
Non-reference 980ti vs. TitanX. OC'ed vs. OC'ed.
980ti wins. :D[/quote]
Can`t read more of the good stuff - must resist greatness....
[quote=""]This might interest you:
It's in Polish, but the language of graphs and images is international. ;)
http://pclab.pl/art64026-37.html
Non-reference 980ti vs. TitanX. OC'ed vs. OC'ed.
980ti wins. :D[/quote]
Actually, careful with that conclusion. Resist the urge to cherry pick the results that you want to see. If you read the full review, the Titan X actually wins. Not by enough to justify the price premium, but it's still faster overall. Depending upon specific games and resolutions, it's a lot faster. As always, unclear how this translates to 3D.
In particular, the 980ti is a better card for 1080p, the thermal headroom from missing parts gives better results than the extra parts. But, at 1440p, this reverses, and the extra SMMs come into play and pull ahead.
Also worth noting, for overclocking in particular, there is no guarantee that you will get these results, unless you buy a factory OC card at a premium. In this case we have a sample size of 1, which is of course risky to base decisions upon. Now that there are non-reference coolers for Titan X, that also opens up the high end for that card.
If price is not an object and you are keenly interested in playing at 1440p and above, the Titan X is still worth considering.
But I don't really disagree with the conclusion that the 980ti is clearly the best value at this point.
said:This might interest you:
It's in Polish, but the language of graphs and images is international. ;)
http://pclab.pl/art64026-37.html
Non-reference 980ti vs. TitanX. OC'ed vs. OC'ed.
980ti wins. :D
Actually, careful with that conclusion. Resist the urge to cherry pick the results that you want to see. If you read the full review, the Titan X actually wins. Not by enough to justify the price premium, but it's still faster overall. Depending upon specific games and resolutions, it's a lot faster. As always, unclear how this translates to 3D.
In particular, the 980ti is a better card for 1080p, the thermal headroom from missing parts gives better results than the extra parts. But, at 1440p, this reverses, and the extra SMMs come into play and pull ahead.
Also worth noting, for overclocking in particular, there is no guarantee that you will get these results, unless you buy a factory OC card at a premium. In this case we have a sample size of 1, which is of course risky to base decisions upon. Now that there are non-reference coolers for Titan X, that also opens up the high end for that card.
If price is not an object and you are keenly interested in playing at 1440p and above, the Titan X is still worth considering.
But I don't really disagree with the conclusion that the 980ti is clearly the best value at this point.
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[quote=""]Worth noting, EVGA has a water cooled version of TitanX for $1100 which would presumably unleash that extra range you might want. [/quote]
I wanted those EVGA Hydro Copper TX's for my new build, but the retailer I usually use ended up not getting any stock after a month of waiting, so I ended up with another brand with waterblocks that cost about £100 less each than the EVGA's.
I added a 200mhz OC through EVGA Precision X straight off the bat and have had no crashes so far. I tried to push 250 last night in the new Wolfenstein game but it instantly crashed so I set the OC back to 200 again.
Watercooling TX's definitely seems the best way to go. Both cards sit stable at about 44 degrees C during gaming. I've not really tried 3D on them yet (ROG Swift, SLI issues etc...) so I'm gaming on my 4k screen instead for now.
It's ironic that after 5 weeks of waiting, my new PC arrived the weekend the 980ti came out, but I got so sick of waiting I don't care any more. I'm just happy to have the PC now, and that there have been no teething problems so far (fingers crossed!).
said:Worth noting, EVGA has a water cooled version of TitanX for $1100 which would presumably unleash that extra range you might want.
I wanted those EVGA Hydro Copper TX's for my new build, but the retailer I usually use ended up not getting any stock after a month of waiting, so I ended up with another brand with waterblocks that cost about £100 less each than the EVGA's.
I added a 200mhz OC through EVGA Precision X straight off the bat and have had no crashes so far. I tried to push 250 last night in the new Wolfenstein game but it instantly crashed so I set the OC back to 200 again.
Watercooling TX's definitely seems the best way to go. Both cards sit stable at about 44 degrees C during gaming. I've not really tried 3D on them yet (ROG Swift, SLI issues etc...) so I'm gaming on my 4k screen instead for now.
It's ironic that after 5 weeks of waiting, my new PC arrived the weekend the 980ti came out, but I got so sick of waiting I don't care any more. I'm just happy to have the PC now, and that there have been no teething problems so far (fingers crossed!).
bo3b
Those reviews are updated, so you could read about 980ti vs. Titan, but 980ti was a reference one at the time when author wrote it.
The only page about non-ref OC'ed 980ti vs. OC'ed TitanX is the page I linked to.
You're right about the clocks, but the differences should stay more or less the same. The limit they reached was more due to the Nvidia's power limit than GPU OC limits. Some 980ti's can maintain 1500MHz in games (core) after the power limit was disabled. So even if that "over 1400" is coming from EVGA cherry picking GPUs, then something really close to this is still almost guaranteed.
PS. I still wonder if we'll see anything with -15% to -19% in comparison with TitanX clock-per-clock as we could see in 3D Mark Vantage's pixel fillrate tests and some low-res GTA V test, so I'm not saying 980ti will stay better, but for now, to people who look at "typical OCed perf. vs. typical OCed perf.", 980Ti is surprisingly winning :)
And that's a positive info even to me, the guy who would be interested in 980ti only if its price suddenly lost one digit. :P
Those reviews are updated, so you could read about 980ti vs. Titan, but 980ti was a reference one at the time when author wrote it.
The only page about non-ref OC'ed 980ti vs. OC'ed TitanX is the page I linked to.
You're right about the clocks, but the differences should stay more or less the same. The limit they reached was more due to the Nvidia's power limit than GPU OC limits. Some 980ti's can maintain 1500MHz in games (core) after the power limit was disabled. So even if that "over 1400" is coming from EVGA cherry picking GPUs, then something really close to this is still almost guaranteed.
PS. I still wonder if we'll see anything with -15% to -19% in comparison with TitanX clock-per-clock as we could see in 3D Mark Vantage's pixel fillrate tests and some low-res GTA V test, so I'm not saying 980ti will stay better, but for now, to people who look at "typical OCed perf. vs. typical OCed perf.", 980Ti is surprisingly winning :)
And that's a positive info even to me, the guy who would be interested in 980ti only if its price suddenly lost one digit. :P
My 980ti evga SC arrived yesterday.
All I can say is it destroys my 690 GTX, even in games with perfect SLi scaling.
I haven't tried 3D yet but at 4k ultra in battlefield 4 with no AA I was getting over 100 fps and dips to 70.
My 690 was running about 70 with dips to 15 and horrible stutters.
Coming from someone who has had SLI for the last few builds one card is so much better.
It's like there's less latency. I could tell straight away. Just moving the mouse feels better, even when the fps are lower than 60.
I don't get 60fps with everything whacked up at 4k in GTAV (around 45-50 when the suns coming up) but it's so smooth and playable.
No stutter, microstutter or wild frame rate leaps.
I was so happy I ordered an EK waterblock for it to put it in the loop.
The metal is a bit tacky compared to the 690gtx (think that used a magnesium alloy) but it sure is a beast!
The card came preclocked but I still did a quick over clock and added another 150 on the core and there's still probably more to go.
I'm ready for VR now. Happy days!
My 980ti evga SC arrived yesterday.
All I can say is it destroys my 690 GTX, even in games with perfect SLi scaling.
I haven't tried 3D yet but at 4k ultra in battlefield 4 with no AA I was getting over 100 fps and dips to 70.
My 690 was running about 70 with dips to 15 and horrible stutters.
Coming from someone who has had SLI for the last few builds one card is so much better.
It's like there's less latency. I could tell straight away. Just moving the mouse feels better, even when the fps are lower than 60.
I don't get 60fps with everything whacked up at 4k in GTAV (around 45-50 when the suns coming up) but it's so smooth and playable.
No stutter, microstutter or wild frame rate leaps.
I was so happy I ordered an EK waterblock for it to put it in the loop.
The metal is a bit tacky compared to the 690gtx (think that used a magnesium alloy) but it sure is a beast!
The card came preclocked but I still did a quick over clock and added another 150 on the core and there's still probably more to go.
I'm ready for VR now. Happy days!
SCAN let me down again and I went for DABS Comp this time and received my 980ti today. It is amazing - all games works perfect on ROG Swift. This card is really fast - managed to maximise GTAV and Witcher 3 at 1440p with great performance.
No need to overclock yet but I can imagine that boost impact.
SCAN let me down again and I went for DABS Comp this time and received my 980ti today. It is amazing - all games works perfect on ROG Swift. This card is really fast - managed to maximise GTAV and Witcher 3 at 1440p with great performance.
No need to overclock yet but I can imagine that boost impact.
I have GTX 780 but I'm willing to upgrade my GPU.
Now there is GTX 980 ti, but is it worth to buy it or better to wait until Pascal cards is released ?
Because what I have searched in internet is saying that Pascal will be much faster than Maxwell.
Thanks for your opinion.
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GPU: ASUS GTX 980 Ti STRIX
Monitor: ASUS VG248QE
Headset: G930 7.1 Wireless
Thanks for the links and information.
Regarding thermal headroom, my titan X doesn't hit even 70C boosting to 1190Mhz [with an aggressive fan profile: fan speed at 100 at 80C, fan speed at 80 at 70C, linearly connected. the Noise does not bother me coming from the same fan profile with a titan Z.]
So, speaking for my titan X unit in particular, I flashed a SC bios onto it and now hit around 73C at 1316Mhz boost, same fan profile.
I could potentially overvolt the core and go even higher till I hit 85C. So, so far, I haven't understood why users are saying the titan X is hot. My titan Z used to hit 83C easily on any load and throttle down (same fan profile).
I don't have a way to measure the VRM and DRAM temps ofcourse, but that article does show worryingly high 93C on the DRAM chips. However, that should only affect memory overclocking, yes? Not core overclocks.
And is the high DRM temps the reason why people are calling the X hot?
I am of the opinion that if you have a lot of backlog on steam and all those games run well at your desired res and frame rate on your current 780, just finish off that backlog before pascal arrives.
:D
Otherwise, if you want to play witcher 3 and arkham knight right now at the highest quality settings, buy the 980Ti today. Don't wait because the closer you get to pascal the less value in getting the 980Ti.
I got the titan X despite knowing a cut down version would be available soon but I finished a truckload of backlog games since march. Feel like I got my money's worth. :D I was coming from a titan Z and the recent slew of insufferable sli issues (on many, not all games) got me turned off from gaming for a long while. Sold the Z to an artist who does rendering and moved to the X. Happy gamer!
I agree with Mountainlifter- if you need the performance now, buy now. If not, wait. The cards will be faster, but I think people are expecting miracles out of a process shrink that isn't that likely to deliver.
Because we can expect it to always be faster in the future, I think you are asking the wrong question. The real question is whether you find your current performance unacceptable or not.
IMO, the best way to handle the inevitable upgrades questions is to buy what you need and sell your old stuff to offset the cost.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
16FF+ will give that promised 40% increase at the same power draw.
I think HBM gen-2 will add much more, especially in VR and scenerios where there's not much work for the shaders and postprocess, but lots of pixels.
My guess is 1TB/s memory equipped Pascal should perform at least 2x better than Titan X.
The question remains when we'll see such card.
First Pascal cards might be on Gen1, as 0.75TB/s instead of 1TB/s is presented on the slide's graphs now, and there's "2-3 years from high-end to mainstream' in HBM .pdf on AMD's page. That could mean products for computing and professional jobs (like Quadro line) and any card for "mortals" could be delayed by a year or more until we see 1TB/s card for the prices like GTX980.
So it's really hard to predict what will happen, besides one thing: There's no chance we'll see 1TB/s Pascal sooner than a full year from now. Therefore "+1" to the above "buy now" advices.
BTW. Noone else is concerned about that huge gap in Synthetical 3DMark Pixel fillrate or 15% in that GTA V test on guru3d, which should be impossible if TX has only 10% more SMMs and a little lower clock?
I don't think it will be another "GTX970" controversy, but I'm really curious. Anandtech promised to look into it, but as of yet, didn't.
More and more custom version is showing up there but I`ve picked up the obvious standard one and still have to wait for it. Crazy as it was with TX.
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It'll be going back if the AMD FURY is a monster though.
I went for the EVGA 980TI SC with the standard cooler as I'm going to stick a water-block on it.
It's from Scan as should be with me tomorrow.
I hope it's faster than my 690 at 4k!
Nvidia have played the oldest trick in the book with their customers.
Charge you £1000 for a card then bring out a similar performing card for £600.
Everyone thinks it's a deal (wow same performance for nearly half the price) but it's just to make you not think that the price of gfx cards have gone up from £300-£350 to £550-£650 in about 2 years! What a joke!
Anyone want to buy a 690?? lol
Better don`t get it before I get mine or I go berserk - I`ve ordered mine on release day and I had two delays already. That might be end of mine relations with Scan etailer. They pissed me off when I had to wait for TX and now this.
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It's in Polish, but the language of graphs and images is international. ;)
http://pclab.pl/art64026-37.html
Non-reference 980ti vs. TitanX. OC'ed vs. OC'ed.
980ti wins. :D
Can`t read more of the good stuff - must resist greatness....
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Actually, careful with that conclusion. Resist the urge to cherry pick the results that you want to see. If you read the full review, the Titan X actually wins. Not by enough to justify the price premium, but it's still faster overall. Depending upon specific games and resolutions, it's a lot faster. As always, unclear how this translates to 3D.
In particular, the 980ti is a better card for 1080p, the thermal headroom from missing parts gives better results than the extra parts. But, at 1440p, this reverses, and the extra SMMs come into play and pull ahead.
Also worth noting, for overclocking in particular, there is no guarantee that you will get these results, unless you buy a factory OC card at a premium. In this case we have a sample size of 1, which is of course risky to base decisions upon. Now that there are non-reference coolers for Titan X, that also opens up the high end for that card.
If price is not an object and you are keenly interested in playing at 1440p and above, the Titan X is still worth considering.
But I don't really disagree with the conclusion that the 980ti is clearly the best value at this point.
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I wanted those EVGA Hydro Copper TX's for my new build, but the retailer I usually use ended up not getting any stock after a month of waiting, so I ended up with another brand with waterblocks that cost about £100 less each than the EVGA's.
I added a 200mhz OC through EVGA Precision X straight off the bat and have had no crashes so far. I tried to push 250 last night in the new Wolfenstein game but it instantly crashed so I set the OC back to 200 again.
Watercooling TX's definitely seems the best way to go. Both cards sit stable at about 44 degrees C during gaming. I've not really tried 3D on them yet (ROG Swift, SLI issues etc...) so I'm gaming on my 4k screen instead for now.
It's ironic that after 5 weeks of waiting, my new PC arrived the weekend the 980ti came out, but I got so sick of waiting I don't care any more. I'm just happy to have the PC now, and that there have been no teething problems so far (fingers crossed!).
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Those reviews are updated, so you could read about 980ti vs. Titan, but 980ti was a reference one at the time when author wrote it.
The only page about non-ref OC'ed 980ti vs. OC'ed TitanX is the page I linked to.
You're right about the clocks, but the differences should stay more or less the same. The limit they reached was more due to the Nvidia's power limit than GPU OC limits. Some 980ti's can maintain 1500MHz in games (core) after the power limit was disabled. So even if that "over 1400" is coming from EVGA cherry picking GPUs, then something really close to this is still almost guaranteed.
PS. I still wonder if we'll see anything with -15% to -19% in comparison with TitanX clock-per-clock as we could see in 3D Mark Vantage's pixel fillrate tests and some low-res GTA V test, so I'm not saying 980ti will stay better, but for now, to people who look at "typical OCed perf. vs. typical OCed perf.", 980Ti is surprisingly winning :)
And that's a positive info even to me, the guy who would be interested in 980ti only if its price suddenly lost one digit. :P
All I can say is it destroys my 690 GTX, even in games with perfect SLi scaling.
I haven't tried 3D yet but at 4k ultra in battlefield 4 with no AA I was getting over 100 fps and dips to 70.
My 690 was running about 70 with dips to 15 and horrible stutters.
Coming from someone who has had SLI for the last few builds one card is so much better.
It's like there's less latency. I could tell straight away. Just moving the mouse feels better, even when the fps are lower than 60.
I don't get 60fps with everything whacked up at 4k in GTAV (around 45-50 when the suns coming up) but it's so smooth and playable.
No stutter, microstutter or wild frame rate leaps.
I was so happy I ordered an EK waterblock for it to put it in the loop.
The metal is a bit tacky compared to the 690gtx (think that used a magnesium alloy) but it sure is a beast!
The card came preclocked but I still did a quick over clock and added another 150 on the core and there's still probably more to go.
I'm ready for VR now. Happy days!
No need to overclock yet but I can imagine that boost impact.
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