[quote name='skywalka' date='06 March 2011 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1299460477' post='1203378']
Hi guys.
I'm wondering if I can use the Legacy Stereoscopic 3D Drivers to get 3D out of my non-3D Sonia Bravia LCD.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/legacy_stereo_3d_drivers.html
I have a GeForce GTX 460.
Windows indicates my Sony Bravia supports a refresh rate up to 60Hz.
Thanx 4 looking.
[/quote]
You need some kind of VGA dongle like what Edimensional sells, a VGA port on your display device, and the ability for your display device to split the image without ghosting at at least 60hz. Your display device does not meet those requirements because it is LCD, and it won't work.
In addition this will only work if you are outputting from a 7xxx series Nvidia card running on WinXP or lower with the Forceware 162.50 3D driver.
You have two choices, you can build yourself an XP box, get an Edimensional dongle, a 7950 off of Ebay, and a cheap CRT screen. Or you can just buy the Nvidia 3D Vision kit which works with the tv you have, which would be a lot easier. 3D Vision is backward compatible as far back as DirectX 8, anything older than that you probably aren't going to want to play in 3D anyway, mainly because games that old look like poorly textured ****.
Windows indicates my Sony Bravia supports a refresh rate up to 60Hz.
Thanx 4 looking.
You need some kind of VGA dongle like what Edimensional sells, a VGA port on your display device, and the ability for your display device to split the image without ghosting at at least 60hz. Your display device does not meet those requirements because it is LCD, and it won't work.
In addition this will only work if you are outputting from a 7xxx series Nvidia card running on WinXP or lower with the Forceware 162.50 3D driver.
You have two choices, you can build yourself an XP box, get an Edimensional dongle, a 7950 off of Ebay, and a cheap CRT screen. Or you can just buy the Nvidia 3D Vision kit which works with the tv you have, which would be a lot easier. 3D Vision is backward compatible as far back as DirectX 8, anything older than that you probably aren't going to want to play in 3D anyway, mainly because games that old look like poorly textured ****.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
[quote name='Likay' date='14 November 2011 - 03:03 AM' timestamp='1321236180' post='1325952']
7900GTX or ultra. I don't know if you will get any at all performance boost with a 7950.
The 7950GX2 is a dual gpu sli-card which maybe is a nogo with older stereodrivers. Note: I'm not completely 100% sure about "no sli" with legacydrivers since i recall somebody actually had positive experiences with it. You should wait for more positive answers first i guess.
There will be no need for a more powerful card since older games wouldn't require much juice anyway. For newer games you could just switch to 3d-vision.
[/quote]
Thanks Likay. I just got a new PC with i5-2500K + GT570 + 8Gb, so 3D Vision goes on smoothly by now with W7 Ult x64. But I have seen I have some problems with some classics, and... I never played Doom3 because I wanted to play it 3D, so... what a deception when realizing my new machine was also unable to play it! :-S
Anyway, I have all the gadgets from edimensional from an old P4. So I will buy a 7900GTX and install it in the new PC :-) for using it from a dual boot XP x32 with legacy stereodrivers.
Now I can see everthing much clearer. Thanks for your help.
[quote name='Likay' date='14 November 2011 - 03:03 AM' timestamp='1321236180' post='1325952']
7900GTX or ultra. I don't know if you will get any at all performance boost with a 7950.
The 7950GX2 is a dual gpu sli-card which maybe is a nogo with older stereodrivers. Note: I'm not completely 100% sure about "no sli" with legacydrivers since i recall somebody actually had positive experiences with it. You should wait for more positive answers first i guess.
There will be no need for a more powerful card since older games wouldn't require much juice anyway. For newer games you could just switch to 3d-vision.
Thanks Likay. I just got a new PC with i5-2500K + GT570 + 8Gb, so 3D Vision goes on smoothly by now with W7 Ult x64. But I have seen I have some problems with some classics, and... I never played Doom3 because I wanted to play it 3D, so... what a deception when realizing my new machine was also unable to play it! :-S
Anyway, I have all the gadgets from edimensional from an old P4. So I will buy a 7900GTX and install it in the new PC :-) for using it from a dual boot XP x32 with legacy stereodrivers.
Now I can see everthing much clearer. Thanks for your help.
As Photios says in the other thread: Nvidia introduced some kind of edid recognition in later drivers which disabled all but the anaglyph mode in the stereodriver (i can run all modes through vga-to-tv adapters which changes the edid). He suggest that you should start using an older one (91.47) and i can only agree!
As Photios says in the other thread: Nvidia introduced some kind of edid recognition in later drivers which disabled all but the anaglyph mode in the stereodriver (i can run all modes through vga-to-tv adapters which changes the edid). He suggest that you should start using an older one (91.47) and i can only agree!
I'd be interested in seeing if this 174.76 Vista stereo driver has the EDID lock out like the 162.50 drivers. If it doesn't, well I'd be more than happy to migrate my old system to Windows Vista which will give my two 7900 GTX's better SLI support in stereo gaming.
I'd be interested in seeing if this 174.76 Vista stereo driver has the EDID lock out like the 162.50 drivers. If it doesn't, well I'd be more than happy to migrate my old system to Windows Vista which will give my two 7900 GTX's better SLI support in stereo gaming.
[quote name='Likay' date='14 November 2011 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1321303192' post='1326412']
As Photios says in the other thread: Nvidia introduced some kind of edid recognition in later drivers which disabled all but the anaglyph mode in the stereodriver (i can run all modes through vga-to-tv adapters which changes the edid). He suggest that you should start using an older one (91.47) and i can only agree!
[/quote]
It's possible that the monitor driver from this thread may allow you to use more than anaglyph mode with that driver. I have not tested it. This is the same driver that fools 3D Vision into thinking you have a supported display device even if it is black listed.
[quote name='Likay' date='14 November 2011 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1321303192' post='1326412']
As Photios says in the other thread: Nvidia introduced some kind of edid recognition in later drivers which disabled all but the anaglyph mode in the stereodriver (i can run all modes through vga-to-tv adapters which changes the edid). He suggest that you should start using an older one (91.47) and i can only agree!
It's possible that the monitor driver from this thread may allow you to use more than anaglyph mode with that driver. I have not tested it. This is the same driver that fools 3D Vision into thinking you have a supported display device even if it is black listed.
oracletriplex,
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
Do you know a program that grabs the current display edid? Then i could simply plugin the vga-to-tv adapters and check theirs. It's also a small possibility that they actually cuts the pin 7 like necessary for the pinmod.
Do you know a program that grabs the current display edid? Then i could simply plugin the vga-to-tv adapters and check theirs. It's also a small possibility that they actually cuts the pin 7 like necessary for the pinmod.
[quote name='photios' date='15 November 2011 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1321374184' post='1326991']
oracletriplex,
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
photios
[/quote]
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
[quote name='photios' date='15 November 2011 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1321374184' post='1326991']
oracletriplex,
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
photios
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
[quote name='oracletriplex' date='17 November 2011 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1321516551' post='1328093']
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
[/quote]
oracletriplex,
Thanks for your help. I've been using the old Nvidia driver for about 8 years or so. You are generally correct that the old driver does not enforce any EDID requirements IF we are talking about the 90 series driver on back. With Windows Vista and with the next stereo driver in view for XP (i.e. 162.50), this was all changed. EDID enforcement is a part of that driver, which is why the VGA pin mod was implemented to give access to the complete display options in the driver. This is pretty well documented at MTBS3D.com and else where.
I'm using a 7900 GTX SLI system with 91.47, you are correct that the Doom 3 engine (I've personally tested over 400 games on the old driver) is about as far as you can push it with an acceptable framerate running on the fastest 7 series GPU.
What I'm interested in here, is this Vista pre-3D Vision stereo driver, which I was totally unaware of. I need to understand what it does and how it is detecting displays. If it is anything like 162.50, it'll block everything but certain "supported" displays even if the "support" is hidden and still functional.
[quote name='oracletriplex' date='17 November 2011 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1321516551' post='1328093']
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
oracletriplex,
Thanks for your help. I've been using the old Nvidia driver for about 8 years or so. You are generally correct that the old driver does not enforce any EDID requirements IF we are talking about the 90 series driver on back. With Windows Vista and with the next stereo driver in view for XP (i.e. 162.50), this was all changed. EDID enforcement is a part of that driver, which is why the VGA pin mod was implemented to give access to the complete display options in the driver. This is pretty well documented at MTBS3D.com and else where.
I'm using a 7900 GTX SLI system with 91.47, you are correct that the Doom 3 engine (I've personally tested over 400 games on the old driver) is about as far as you can push it with an acceptable framerate running on the fastest 7 series GPU.
What I'm interested in here, is this Vista pre-3D Vision stereo driver, which I was totally unaware of. I need to understand what it does and how it is detecting displays. If it is anything like 162.50, it'll block everything but certain "supported" displays even if the "support" is hidden and still functional.
In my opinion nvidia started to experiment how to lock out displays with the introduction of the 162.50stereo (or if it was earlier). When using legacy drivers with 162.50 stereo, then anaglyph option is available only with maybe a few exceptions. Since doing the pinmod makes all options available i make my own conclusion. By using the unofficial stereodrivers we were guineapigs in several aspect. /clap.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':clap:' /> /down.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':down:' />
@photios: About edid of the vga-to-tv boxes the answer is simple: They neither transfer any edid info, nor replacing it. They simply breaks the line and fools the nvidiadriver just like the pinmod (moninfo shows "no realtime" and no "registry active" entries). If i attach the projectors only then all exclusive stereooptions are gone. I see no need to attach the edid of the projectors.
Sorry for the bad news but good luck in the hunting!
In my opinion nvidia started to experiment how to lock out displays with the introduction of the 162.50stereo (or if it was earlier). When using legacy drivers with 162.50 stereo, then anaglyph option is available only with maybe a few exceptions. Since doing the pinmod makes all options available i make my own conclusion. By using the unofficial stereodrivers we were guineapigs in several aspect. /clap.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':clap:' /> /down.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':down:' />
@photios: About edid of the vga-to-tv boxes the answer is simple: They neither transfer any edid info, nor replacing it. They simply breaks the line and fools the nvidiadriver just like the pinmod (moninfo shows "no realtime" and no "registry active" entries). If i attach the projectors only then all exclusive stereooptions are gone. I see no need to attach the edid of the projectors.
Sorry for the bad news but good luck in the hunting!
Let's say that I got a:
- 7600 GT
- Win XP
- 162.50 stereo driver up and running
Aaaaaaand... an Asus vg278h 120hz LCD 3d monitor with the (active) nvidia 3d vision glasses that works fabulously with the new nvidia 3d vision drivers. (I do not own this monitor yet, but I intend to, soon)
And so I've read that the legacy driver has a shutterglasses option (intended for CRT's or whatever). I assume that that old shutterglasses mode would work with a new 120hz 3d lcd montor + nvidia shutterglasses too ? Or do I need to do a pinmod or something ?... I guess buying an extra vga cable and cutting out one of the pins isn't that big of a deal...
Aaaaaaand... an Asus vg278h 120hz LCD 3d monitor with the (active) nvidia 3d vision glasses that works fabulously with the new nvidia 3d vision drivers. (I do not own this monitor yet, but I intend to, soon)
And so I've read that the legacy driver has a shutterglasses option (intended for CRT's or whatever). I assume that that old shutterglasses mode would work with a new 120hz 3d lcd montor + nvidia shutterglasses too ? Or do I need to do a pinmod or something ?... I guess buying an extra vga cable and cutting out one of the pins isn't that big of a deal...
[quote name='Likay' date='11 December 2011 - 05:12 PM' timestamp='1323619953' post='1340770']
The legacydrivers do not support the usb-emitter of the 3d-vision kit. Maybe there's a hack but i don't know of any.
[/quote]
It doesnt need a USB emitter, the monitor has its own IR emitter built-in.
Ok. I got the impression that you had since you mentioned 3d-vision glasses. Anyway give it a shot then:
If you use the 91.31forceware+91.31stereo for a beginning you'll need no pinmod nor reghack to get the classic nvidiapanel back, but 91.31 works best with only one cpu-core enabled. 162.50 works better with multicore cpu's but then also a pinmod is required as well as the reghack for the classic panel.
Since the glasses are driven by the monitor you should try finding an option in the stereodrivers that your monitor supports and work your way from there.
Ok. I got the impression that you had since you mentioned 3d-vision glasses. Anyway give it a shot then:
If you use the 91.31forceware+91.31stereo for a beginning you'll need no pinmod nor reghack to get the classic nvidiapanel back, but 91.31 works best with only one cpu-core enabled. 162.50 works better with multicore cpu's but then also a pinmod is required as well as the reghack for the classic panel.
Since the glasses are driven by the monitor you should try finding an option in the stereodrivers that your monitor supports and work your way from there.
Hi guys.
I'm wondering if I can use the Legacy Stereoscopic 3D Drivers to get 3D out of my non-3D Sonia Bravia LCD.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/legacy_stereo_3d_drivers.html
I have a GeForce GTX 460.
Windows indicates my Sony Bravia supports a refresh rate up to 60Hz.
Thanx 4 looking.
[/quote]
You need some kind of VGA dongle like what Edimensional sells, a VGA port on your display device, and the ability for your display device to split the image without ghosting at at least 60hz. Your display device does not meet those requirements because it is LCD, and it won't work.
In addition this will only work if you are outputting from a 7xxx series Nvidia card running on WinXP or lower with the Forceware 162.50 3D driver.
You have two choices, you can build yourself an XP box, get an Edimensional dongle, a 7950 off of Ebay, and a cheap CRT screen. Or you can just buy the Nvidia 3D Vision kit which works with the tv you have, which would be a lot easier. 3D Vision is backward compatible as far back as DirectX 8, anything older than that you probably aren't going to want to play in 3D anyway, mainly because games that old look like poorly textured ****.
Hi guys.
I'm wondering if I can use the Legacy Stereoscopic 3D Drivers to get 3D out of my non-3D Sonia Bravia LCD.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/legacy_stereo_3d_drivers.html
I have a GeForce GTX 460.
Windows indicates my Sony Bravia supports a refresh rate up to 60Hz.
Thanx 4 looking.
You need some kind of VGA dongle like what Edimensional sells, a VGA port on your display device, and the ability for your display device to split the image without ghosting at at least 60hz. Your display device does not meet those requirements because it is LCD, and it won't work.
In addition this will only work if you are outputting from a 7xxx series Nvidia card running on WinXP or lower with the Forceware 162.50 3D driver.
You have two choices, you can build yourself an XP box, get an Edimensional dongle, a 7950 off of Ebay, and a cheap CRT screen. Or you can just buy the Nvidia 3D Vision kit which works with the tv you have, which would be a lot easier. 3D Vision is backward compatible as far back as DirectX 8, anything older than that you probably aren't going to want to play in 3D anyway, mainly because games that old look like poorly textured ****.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
7900GTX or ultra. I don't know if you will get any at all performance boost with a 7950.
The 7950GX2 is a dual gpu sli-card which maybe is a nogo with older stereodrivers. Note: I'm not completely 100% sure about "no sli" with legacydrivers since i recall somebody actually had positive experiences with it. You should wait for more positive answers first i guess.
There will be no need for a more powerful card since older games wouldn't require much juice anyway. For newer games you could just switch to 3d-vision.
[/quote]
Thanks Likay. I just got a new PC with i5-2500K + GT570 + 8Gb, so 3D Vision goes on smoothly by now with W7 Ult x64. But I have seen I have some problems with some classics, and... I never played Doom3 because I wanted to play it 3D, so... what a deception when realizing my new machine was also unable to play it! :-S
Anyway, I have all the gadgets from edimensional from an old P4. So I will buy a 7900GTX and install it in the new PC :-) for using it from a dual boot XP x32 with legacy stereodrivers.
Now I can see everthing much clearer. Thanks for your help.
7900GTX or ultra. I don't know if you will get any at all performance boost with a 7950.
The 7950GX2 is a dual gpu sli-card which maybe is a nogo with older stereodrivers. Note: I'm not completely 100% sure about "no sli" with legacydrivers since i recall somebody actually had positive experiences with it. You should wait for more positive answers first i guess.
There will be no need for a more powerful card since older games wouldn't require much juice anyway. For newer games you could just switch to 3d-vision.
Thanks Likay. I just got a new PC with i5-2500K + GT570 + 8Gb, so 3D Vision goes on smoothly by now with W7 Ult x64. But I have seen I have some problems with some classics, and... I never played Doom3 because I wanted to play it 3D, so... what a deception when realizing my new machine was also unable to play it! :-S
Anyway, I have all the gadgets from edimensional from an old P4. So I will buy a 7900GTX and install it in the new PC :-) for using it from a dual boot XP x32 with legacy stereodrivers.
Now I can see everthing much clearer. Thanks for your help.
Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Cpu: C2D E6600
Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX
3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D
Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.
As Photios says in the other thread: Nvidia introduced some kind of edid recognition in later drivers which disabled all but the anaglyph mode in the stereodriver (i can run all modes through vga-to-tv adapters which changes the edid). He suggest that you should start using an older one (91.47) and i can only agree!
[/quote]
It's possible that the monitor driver from this thread may allow you to use more than anaglyph mode with that driver. I have not tested it. This is the same driver that fools 3D Vision into thinking you have a supported display device even if it is black listed.
Get it from this thread
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=164029
And I've had great results with forceware 162.50. Although to run games like Doom 3 you need a pretty hefty 7 series card.
As Photios says in the other thread: Nvidia introduced some kind of edid recognition in later drivers which disabled all but the anaglyph mode in the stereodriver (i can run all modes through vga-to-tv adapters which changes the edid). He suggest that you should start using an older one (91.47) and i can only agree!
It's possible that the monitor driver from this thread may allow you to use more than anaglyph mode with that driver. I have not tested it. This is the same driver that fools 3D Vision into thinking you have a supported display device even if it is black listed.
Get it from this thread
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=164029
And I've had great results with forceware 162.50. Although to run games like Doom 3 you need a pretty hefty 7 series card.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
photios
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
photios
Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Cpu: C2D E6600
Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX
3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D
Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.
This is the program that will extract your vga-to-tv adapter's EDID: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm
photios
This is the program that will extract your vga-to-tv adapter's EDID: http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm
photios
oracletriplex,
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
photios
[/quote]
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
oracletriplex,
Thanks. I'll look into it. but I noticed the max resolution of the .inf is 1280x720. I use a DLP so I can do 1080p.
Likay,
Do you know what EDID the Nvidia driver is looking for to allow access to all the modes in the newer Nvidia "older" stereo driver? If I understand what displays it is looking for to permit access, I should be able to construct an EDID and move on to a different driver. Thanks.
photios
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
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oracletriplex,
Thanks for your help. I've been using the old Nvidia driver for about 8 years or so. You are generally correct that the old driver does not enforce any EDID requirements IF we are talking about the 90 series driver on back. With Windows Vista and with the next stereo driver in view for XP (i.e. 162.50), this was all changed. EDID enforcement is a part of that driver, which is why the VGA pin mod was implemented to give access to the complete display options in the driver. This is pretty well documented at MTBS3D.com and else where.
I'm using a 7900 GTX SLI system with 91.47, you are correct that the Doom 3 engine (I've personally tested over 400 games on the old driver) is about as far as you can push it with an acceptable framerate running on the fastest 7 series GPU.
What I'm interested in here, is this Vista pre-3D Vision stereo driver, which I was totally unaware of. I need to understand what it does and how it is detecting displays. If it is anything like 162.50, it'll block everything but certain "supported" displays even if the "support" is hidden and still functional.
photios
The old Nvidia forceware driver, due to the nature of displays at that time period, does not have any EDID enforcement nor does it look for one. It doesn't even care what refresh rate you put your display at either, as it will run from 60hz all the way to 120hz. I've even run it in 3D at 30hz but that's a story for another day.
The inf in that link I posted is mainly used for fooling newer displays into unlocking ALL of their refresh rates, because Nvidia in their infinite wisdom never fixed the bug that cause displays to only be able to use 60hz. This was due to new EDID enforcement in Vista and Nvidia's collusion with Microsoft. This driver bypasses that.
As far as the old forceware 3D driver, basically you can use any monitor inf as long as the refresh rate and the resolution capability in the driver are maxed out. Keep in mind though that you have to know where the device's limits lie, as this takes the limits off the display itself and you could damage it if you go too high.
But to be honest with you, if you are using a 7xxx series card with the old forceware 3D driver, you are probably going to be pretty limited in the amount of resolutions you can do anyway. The 7 series is not a powerhouse, anything newer than Doom 3 is probably going to be pushing it. Look for something called the ultimate monitor driver in google.
oracletriplex,
Thanks for your help. I've been using the old Nvidia driver for about 8 years or so. You are generally correct that the old driver does not enforce any EDID requirements IF we are talking about the 90 series driver on back. With Windows Vista and with the next stereo driver in view for XP (i.e. 162.50), this was all changed. EDID enforcement is a part of that driver, which is why the VGA pin mod was implemented to give access to the complete display options in the driver. This is pretty well documented at MTBS3D.com and else where.
I'm using a 7900 GTX SLI system with 91.47, you are correct that the Doom 3 engine (I've personally tested over 400 games on the old driver) is about as far as you can push it with an acceptable framerate running on the fastest 7 series GPU.
What I'm interested in here, is this Vista pre-3D Vision stereo driver, which I was totally unaware of. I need to understand what it does and how it is detecting displays. If it is anything like 162.50, it'll block everything but certain "supported" displays even if the "support" is hidden and still functional.
photios
@photios: About edid of the vga-to-tv boxes the answer is simple: They neither transfer any edid info, nor replacing it. They simply breaks the line and fools the nvidiadriver just like the pinmod (moninfo shows "no realtime" and no "registry active" entries). If i attach the projectors only then all exclusive stereooptions are gone. I see no need to attach the edid of the projectors.
Sorry for the bad news but good luck in the hunting!
@photios: About edid of the vga-to-tv boxes the answer is simple: They neither transfer any edid info, nor replacing it. They simply breaks the line and fools the nvidiadriver just like the pinmod (moninfo shows "no realtime" and no "registry active" entries). If i attach the projectors only then all exclusive stereooptions are gone. I see no need to attach the edid of the projectors.
Sorry for the bad news but good luck in the hunting!
Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Cpu: C2D E6600
Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX
3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D
Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.
Okay.
Let's say that I got a:
- 7600 GT
- Win XP
- 162.50 stereo driver up and running
Aaaaaaand... an Asus vg278h 120hz LCD 3d monitor with the (active) nvidia 3d vision glasses that works fabulously with the new nvidia 3d vision drivers. (I do not own this monitor yet, but I intend to, soon)
And so I've read that the legacy driver has a shutterglasses option (intended for CRT's or whatever). I assume that that old shutterglasses mode would work with a new 120hz 3d lcd montor + nvidia shutterglasses too ? Or do I need to do a pinmod or something ?... I guess buying an extra vga cable and cutting out one of the pins isn't that big of a deal...
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Okay.
Let's say that I got a:
- 7600 GT
- Win XP
- 162.50 stereo driver up and running
Aaaaaaand... an Asus vg278h 120hz LCD 3d monitor with the (active) nvidia 3d vision glasses that works fabulously with the new nvidia 3d vision drivers. (I do not own this monitor yet, but I intend to, soon)
And so I've read that the legacy driver has a shutterglasses option (intended for CRT's or whatever). I assume that that old shutterglasses mode would work with a new 120hz 3d lcd montor + nvidia shutterglasses too ? Or do I need to do a pinmod or something ?... I guess buying an extra vga cable and cutting out one of the pins isn't that big of a deal...
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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Cpu: C2D E6600
Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX
3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D
Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.
The legacydrivers do not support the usb-emitter of the 3d-vision kit. Maybe there's a hack but i don't know of any.
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It doesnt need a USB emitter, the monitor has its own IR emitter built-in.
The legacydrivers do not support the usb-emitter of the 3d-vision kit. Maybe there's a hack but i don't know of any.
It doesnt need a USB emitter, the monitor has its own IR emitter built-in.
If you use the 91.31forceware+91.31stereo for a beginning you'll need no pinmod nor reghack to get the classic nvidiapanel back, but 91.31 works best with only one cpu-core enabled. 162.50 works better with multicore cpu's but then also a pinmod is required as well as the reghack for the classic panel.
Since the glasses are driven by the monitor you should try finding an option in the stereodrivers that your monitor supports and work your way from there.
If you use the 91.31forceware+91.31stereo for a beginning you'll need no pinmod nor reghack to get the classic nvidiapanel back, but 91.31 works best with only one cpu-core enabled. 162.50 works better with multicore cpu's but then also a pinmod is required as well as the reghack for the classic panel.
Since the glasses are driven by the monitor you should try finding an option in the stereodrivers that your monitor supports and work your way from there.
Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe
Cpu: C2D E6600
Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX
3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D
Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.