Asus VG278H: removing the matte screen to increase clarity
[size="5"]EDIT: [color="#FF0000"]DOES NOT WORK![/color] SEE SECOND POST[/size]

I just got the VG278H and have finally had some time to play around with it. Its tiny and cute compared to my 46", but I almost think i found out why i see so many usernames of 3D Vision owners in old threads that no longer post, because although the clarity is nice, even at this size, I find it really unimpressive at standard viewing distances. ( and I highly encourage all of you to at least try a 40"+ monitor when they can do 1080p!! ) However, it seems to have one saving grace for me, which is that [i think due to perspective, a human depth cue i assume...] the monitor has a lot of depth and i can pull it to a little over a ft. (.3 meters) from me and get a field of view just about matching my 46" sitting at the back of my desk. Im not sure if this is useable due to possible eye strain and also things off to the side don't quite look right, but that may just takes some getting used to. The reason im bothering with this is that the clarity is increased due to using 1080, sometimes too much, but overall its a bonus. So im giving the monitor a try.

However im noticing either the pixel structure or the matte screen in the form of a "screen door effect" at this distance. The pixels themselves are squares, but the effect im noticing are diagonal crossing lines, so i think its the matte screen. My last matte screen monitor was the Dell 2007wfp, which was so bad that i wondered what happened to the texture on my desktop photos after i upgraded to the 46". I know from youtube that removing the individual pieces can be pretty easy and safe to do and there are a ton of people on Ebay rebuilding broken HDTVs and selling parts, so i highly doubt it requires any special tools. So anyway, has anyone tried removing this? I may try to take it out today.
EDIT: DOES NOT WORK! SEE SECOND POST



I just got the VG278H and have finally had some time to play around with it. Its tiny and cute compared to my 46", but I almost think i found out why i see so many usernames of 3D Vision owners in old threads that no longer post, because although the clarity is nice, even at this size, I find it really unimpressive at standard viewing distances. ( and I highly encourage all of you to at least try a 40"+ monitor when they can do 1080p!! ) However, it seems to have one saving grace for me, which is that [i think due to perspective, a human depth cue i assume...] the monitor has a lot of depth and i can pull it to a little over a ft. (.3 meters) from me and get a field of view just about matching my 46" sitting at the back of my desk. Im not sure if this is useable due to possible eye strain and also things off to the side don't quite look right, but that may just takes some getting used to. The reason im bothering with this is that the clarity is increased due to using 1080, sometimes too much, but overall its a bonus. So im giving the monitor a try.



However im noticing either the pixel structure or the matte screen in the form of a "screen door effect" at this distance. The pixels themselves are squares, but the effect im noticing are diagonal crossing lines, so i think its the matte screen. My last matte screen monitor was the Dell 2007wfp, which was so bad that i wondered what happened to the texture on my desktop photos after i upgraded to the 46". I know from youtube that removing the individual pieces can be pretty easy and safe to do and there are a ton of people on Ebay rebuilding broken HDTVs and selling parts, so i highly doubt it requires any special tools. So anyway, has anyone tried removing this? I may try to take it out today.

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#1
Posted 05/05/2012 03:30 PM   
Well, i gave this a shot, but the matte screen also seems to be some sort of polarizing screen as well. I got down to a nice glass surface and was about to remove the matte screen, which involved peeling it off [and permanently bending it] since it was glued down at the edges. Luckily i turned on the monitor on first to see the pixels to test a small section and see if the matte screen was the culprit. The pixels below the matte layer were just white, which was strange to see. So it looks like that layer doubles as a polarizing layer. I almost turned the desktop background white before i started to remove the matte layer to better see the pixels, which would have meant i might have kept peeling, not seeing a difference, and would have likely ruined the monitor... whew.


Now im going to try taking some car polish and buffing out the surface. Or maybe not.
Well, i gave this a shot, but the matte screen also seems to be some sort of polarizing screen as well. I got down to a nice glass surface and was about to remove the matte screen, which involved peeling it off [and permanently bending it] since it was glued down at the edges. Luckily i turned on the monitor on first to see the pixels to test a small section and see if the matte screen was the culprit. The pixels below the matte layer were just white, which was strange to see. So it looks like that layer doubles as a polarizing layer. I almost turned the desktop background white before i started to remove the matte layer to better see the pixels, which would have meant i might have kept peeling, not seeing a difference, and would have likely ruined the monitor... whew.





Now im going to try taking some car polish and buffing out the surface. Or maybe not.

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#2
Posted 05/06/2012 08:52 PM   
Hope you succeed without persisting damages.
Even if the VG278H is listed as an led-monitor it's still a standard lcd-screen but the backlight are leds. So it was the actual linear polarizing layer you peeled off. I could had warned you but i was too slow. Anyway and anyhow: polarization.com has new polarizers for lcd's with probably higher quality than the original so all hope isn't lost. If you continue to peel off the polarizer then remember that the transparent "glass surface" that the polarizer is glued to is the actual lcd-screen. It's quite delicate for mechanical stress. It helps to heat the screen a little while peeling off the polarizer but beware: The lcd is also sensitive for heat. /omg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':omg:' />
Hope you succeed without persisting damages.

Even if the VG278H is listed as an led-monitor it's still a standard lcd-screen but the backlight are leds. So it was the actual linear polarizing layer you peeled off. I could had warned you but i was too slow. Anyway and anyhow: polarization.com has new polarizers for lcd's with probably higher quality than the original so all hope isn't lost. If you continue to peel off the polarizer then remember that the transparent "glass surface" that the polarizer is glued to is the actual lcd-screen. It's quite delicate for mechanical stress. It helps to heat the screen a little while peeling off the polarizer but beware: The lcd is also sensitive for heat. /omg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':omg:' />

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#3
Posted 05/06/2012 09:04 PM   
Yes, i had seen youtube videos of screens having 3 or 4 layers which were separate from each other, which was what i was hoping for obviously, this had only two separate layers that i could see. Luckily the layers started about a centimeter away from the pixels, so i was able to just lift it up a tad to see 20 or so pixels. The damage to the screen is that there is a small triangle on the bottom left side corner where the color is off, but only slightly. Its hidden by the taskbar. The main damage i to the outer plastics since i initially started with a limited choice of tools.
Yes, i had seen youtube videos of screens having 3 or 4 layers which were separate from each other, which was what i was hoping for obviously, this had only two separate layers that i could see. Luckily the layers started about a centimeter away from the pixels, so i was able to just lift it up a tad to see 20 or so pixels. The damage to the screen is that there is a small triangle on the bottom left side corner where the color is off, but only slightly. Its hidden by the taskbar. The main damage i to the outer plastics since i initially started with a limited choice of tools.

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#4
Posted 05/06/2012 09:14 PM   
Btw, there was an LG sticker on the metal casing. Forgot to take a photo though.


@Likay: Thanks for the polarization.com link, i may end up using that. I suppose i could take a soldering iron and apply some local heat to the edges of screen, which is where the glue was i think and is away from the liquid crystals.
Btw, there was an LG sticker on the metal casing. Forgot to take a photo though.





@Likay: Thanks for the polarization.com link, i may end up using that. I suppose i could take a soldering iron and apply some local heat to the edges of screen, which is where the glue was i think and is away from the liquid crystals.

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#5
Posted 05/07/2012 01:21 AM   
I believe he was talking about using a heat gun or blow dryer.
I believe he was talking about using a heat gun or blow dryer.

#6
Posted 05/08/2012 03:28 AM   
lol ...I bet you could warranty it and say it it overheating. /yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />
lol ...I bet you could warranty it and say it it overheating. /yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />

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#7
Posted 05/08/2012 08:10 AM   
I hear you Libertine. I hate matte screens because they make colours look opaque and blacks having a grey look.

That 's why I picked the S27A950D which as a beautiful clear glossy screen which produces amazing colours and deep blacks.

I just wished there would be glossy screens available for 3D Vision Ready displays, but unfortunately, 99% are all ugly and nasty matte screens.
I hear you Libertine. I hate matte screens because they make colours look opaque and blacks having a grey look.



That 's why I picked the S27A950D which as a beautiful clear glossy screen which produces amazing colours and deep blacks.



I just wished there would be glossy screens available for 3D Vision Ready displays, but unfortunately, 99% are all ugly and nasty matte screens.

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#8
Posted 05/08/2012 02:50 PM   
[quote name='D-Man11' date='08 May 2012 - 05:28 AM' timestamp='1336447681' post='1405498']
I believe he was talking about using a heat gun or blow dryer.
[/quote]Definitely! Even a heatgun produces too much heat so go for the blowdryer! Remember still: It's a quite delicate operation. If you can live with the image you have now then it's better not to do anything!
[quote name='D-Man11' date='08 May 2012 - 05:28 AM' timestamp='1336447681' post='1405498']

I believe he was talking about using a heat gun or blow dryer.

Definitely! Even a heatgun produces too much heat so go for the blowdryer! Remember still: It's a quite delicate operation. If you can live with the image you have now then it's better not to do anything!

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#9
Posted 05/08/2012 05:56 PM   
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