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I would be ecstatic, if any of the projectors using the 0.66 DMD would support 2160P 3d and 3860i 3D.
I would be ecstatic, if any of the projectors using the 0.66 DMD would support 2160P 3d and 3860i 3D.

#16
Posted 01/31/2018 12:51 PM   
6-7 ms frame length per eye = 700-750 lines of motion resolution you can read text ingame, that's about it, the rest is gone because of uniform blurred temporal smearing. AVSforum guys are technophiles. Chief blur buster , ardent technophile. Technophile rambling : Take it with a grain of salt.
6-7 ms frame length per eye = 700-750 lines of motion resolution

you can read text ingame, that's about it, the rest is gone because of uniform blurred temporal smearing.

AVSforum guys are technophiles. Chief blur buster , ardent technophile.

Technophile rambling : Take it with a grain of salt.

#17
Posted 02/11/2018 05:30 PM   
I just compared the specs of Benq HT2550/W1700 to Optoma UHD50 and maybe it's better to wait for the Optoma projector? Optoma seems to be a little bit better. These are the specs which are interesting: [u]Optoma UHD50:[/u] [list] [.]Noise Level: 28/25 db[/.] [.]Brightness: 2400 ANSI lumens[/.] [.]I/O Connectors: 2 x HDMI 2.0[/.] [/list] [u]Benq HT2550/W1700:[/u] [list] [.]Noise Level: 33/29 db[/.] [.]Brightness: 2200 ANSI lumens[/.] [.]I/O Connectors: 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4[/.] [/list] Optoma seems to be significantly less noisy and has a little bit more light output which we really need for 3D. Also we have 2 HDMI 2.0 ports instead of only 1.
I just compared the specs of Benq HT2550/W1700 to Optoma UHD50 and maybe it's better to wait for the Optoma projector? Optoma seems to be a little bit better. These are the specs which are interesting:

Optoma UHD50:
  • Noise Level: 28/25 db
  • Brightness: 2400 ANSI lumens
  • I/O Connectors: 2 x HDMI 2.0


Benq HT2550/W1700:
  • Noise Level: 33/29 db
  • Brightness: 2200 ANSI lumens
  • I/O Connectors: 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4


Optoma seems to be significantly less noisy and has a little bit more light output which we really need for 3D. Also we have 2 HDMI 2.0 ports instead of only 1.

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#18
Posted 02/11/2018 07:26 PM   
[quote="Pauldusler"]I just compared the specs of Benq HT2550/W1700 to Optoma UHD50 and maybe it's better to wait for the Optoma projector? Optoma seems to be a little bit better. These are the specs which are interesting: [u]Optoma UHD50:[/u] [list] [.]Noise Level: 28/25 db[/.] [.]Brightness: 2400 ANSI lumens[/.] [.]I/O Connectors: 2 x HDMI 2.0[/.] [/list] [u]Benq HT2550/W1700:[/u] [list] [.]Noise Level: 33/29 db[/.] [.]Brightness: 2200 ANSI lumens[/.] [.]I/O Connectors: 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4[/.] [/list] Optoma seems to be significantly less noisy and has a little bit more light output which we really need for 3D. Also we have 2 HDMI 2.0 ports instead of only 1. [/quote] Definitely a case of wait and see. The HDMI port spec seems very specific but as far as brightness, contrast and noise is concerned I wouldn't trust any of the manufacturer figures, especially as all these new 4k projectors are based on the same hardware. Let's wait until proper reviews appear where the devices have been calibrated and genuine measurements have been taken. @ak4115 Sorry, I don't know what you're trying to say?
Pauldusler said:I just compared the specs of Benq HT2550/W1700 to Optoma UHD50 and maybe it's better to wait for the Optoma projector? Optoma seems to be a little bit better. These are the specs which are interesting:

Optoma UHD50:
  • Noise Level: 28/25 db
  • Brightness: 2400 ANSI lumens
  • I/O Connectors: 2 x HDMI 2.0


Benq HT2550/W1700:
  • Noise Level: 33/29 db
  • Brightness: 2200 ANSI lumens
  • I/O Connectors: 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4


Optoma seems to be significantly less noisy and has a little bit more light output which we really need for 3D. Also we have 2 HDMI 2.0 ports instead of only 1.




Definitely a case of wait and see. The HDMI port spec seems very specific but as far as brightness, contrast and noise is concerned I wouldn't trust any of the manufacturer figures, especially as all these new 4k projectors are based on the same hardware. Let's wait until proper reviews appear where the devices have been calibrated and genuine measurements have been taken.

@ak4115 Sorry, I don't know what you're trying to say?

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#19
Posted 02/11/2018 08:47 PM   
[quote="rustyk21"][quote="Pauldusler"]I just compared the specs of Benq HT2550/W1700 to Optoma UHD50 and maybe it's better to wait for the Optoma projector? Optoma seems to be a little bit better. These are the specs which are interesting: [u]Optoma UHD50:[/u] [list] [.]Noise Level: 28/25 db[/.] [.]Brightness: 2400 ANSI lumens[/.] [.]I/O Connectors: 2 x HDMI 2.0[/.] [/list] [u]Benq HT2550/W1700:[/u] [list] [.]Noise Level: 33/29 db[/.] [.]Brightness: 2200 ANSI lumens[/.] [.]I/O Connectors: 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4[/.] [/list] Optoma seems to be significantly less noisy and has a little bit more light output which we really need for 3D. Also we have 2 HDMI 2.0 ports instead of only 1. [/quote] Definitely a case of wait and see. The HDMI port spec seems very specific but as far as brightness, contrast and noise is concerned I wouldn't trust any of the manufacturer figures, especially as all these new 4k projectors are based on the same hardware. Let's wait until proper reviews appear where the devices have been calibrated and genuine measurements have been taken. @ak4115 Sorry, I don't know what you're trying to say?[/quote] Definitely agree with wait. But my personal experience is that Optoma projectors are much more silent than BenQ. So I'll believe this spec at least. I gave up waiting on reviews and tests because "official" tests are much more of a commercial and reviews are extremly personal opinions. So the best is: try it and send it back if you're disappointed.
rustyk21 said:
Pauldusler said:I just compared the specs of Benq HT2550/W1700 to Optoma UHD50 and maybe it's better to wait for the Optoma projector? Optoma seems to be a little bit better. These are the specs which are interesting:

Optoma UHD50:
  • Noise Level: 28/25 db
  • Brightness: 2400 ANSI lumens
  • I/O Connectors: 2 x HDMI 2.0


Benq HT2550/W1700:
  • Noise Level: 33/29 db
  • Brightness: 2200 ANSI lumens
  • I/O Connectors: 1 x HDMI 2.0, 1 x HDMI 1.4


Optoma seems to be significantly less noisy and has a little bit more light output which we really need for 3D. Also we have 2 HDMI 2.0 ports instead of only 1.




Definitely a case of wait and see. The HDMI port spec seems very specific but as far as brightness, contrast and noise is concerned I wouldn't trust any of the manufacturer figures, especially as all these new 4k projectors are based on the same hardware. Let's wait until proper reviews appear where the devices have been calibrated and genuine measurements have been taken.

@ak4115 Sorry, I don't know what you're trying to say?



Definitely agree with wait. But my personal experience is that Optoma projectors are much more silent than BenQ. So I'll believe this spec at least. I gave up waiting on reviews and tests because "official" tests are much more of a commercial and reviews are extremly personal opinions. So the best is: try it and send it back if you're disappointed.

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#20
Posted 02/13/2018 09:56 PM   
[quote="Pauldusler"]These are very good news! Thx rustyk21. So even when Benq HT2550/W1700 has a firmware limitation not allowing to enable 3D mode in the projector menu when input signal is 1920x1080@120hz we have very good chances that at least Optoma UHD50 does not have this limitation. I say this because I once tried a full hd Optoma projector and it didn't even require to enable 3D in the projector menu to make this work with 3D vision. Stereo images were swapped then but you could correct this with 3dmigoto. Optoma also announced another 0.47" DMD projector: Optoma UHD51. It's basically the same as UHD50 but supports Amazon Alexa.[/quote] Two questions: 1) Does this mean it is confirmed that the Optoma UHD50 does 1920x1080@120Hz + 3D? 2) Has anyone tried 1920x1080@240Hz in 2D?
Pauldusler said:These are very good news! Thx rustyk21.

So even when Benq HT2550/W1700 has a firmware limitation not allowing to enable 3D mode in the projector menu when input signal is 1920x1080@120hz we have very good chances that at least Optoma UHD50 does not have this limitation. I say this because I once tried a full hd Optoma projector and it didn't even require to enable 3D in the projector menu to make this work with 3D vision. Stereo images were swapped then but you could correct this with 3dmigoto.

Optoma also announced another 0.47" DMD projector: Optoma UHD51. It's basically the same as UHD50 but supports Amazon Alexa.


Two questions:
1) Does this mean it is confirmed that the Optoma UHD50 does 1920x1080@120Hz + 3D?
2) Has anyone tried 1920x1080@240Hz in 2D?

#21
Posted 04/24/2018 08:38 PM   
Sorry but 1) no - I don't know how you interpreted it to mean that 2) no - there are no devices that support that input frequency, well projectors at least It's early days for these devices. I'm following a lot of threads over at avforums but I wouldn't assume anything unless it's been explicitly confirmed by someone with hands on experience. The firmware is all over the place and there are a lot of unknowns
Sorry but
1) no - I don't know how you interpreted it to mean that
2) no - there are no devices that support that input frequency, well projectors at least

It's early days for these devices. I'm following a lot of threads over at avforums but I wouldn't assume anything unless it's been explicitly confirmed by someone with hands on experience.
The firmware is all over the place and there are a lot of unknowns

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#22
Posted 04/24/2018 08:58 PM   
Well at least it has been confirmed that 3D is supported in some kind of way on the W1700, hopefully frame sequential 1080P@120 is one of them. But last year, I called every major PJ manufacturer, only a couple stated that they planned to support that. But they also said it would simply support the input without going blank and saying "Out of range", it would only display half of the frames. BenQ was one of those that stated that, so I'd wait until someone confirms that Blurbuster's UFO tests runs at 120
Well at least it has been confirmed that 3D is supported in some kind of way on the W1700, hopefully frame sequential 1080P@120 is one of them.

But last year, I called every major PJ manufacturer, only a couple stated that they planned to support that. But they also said it would simply support the input without going blank and saying "Out of range", it would only display half of the frames. BenQ was one of those that stated that, so I'd wait until someone confirms that Blurbuster's UFO tests runs at 120

#23
Posted 04/24/2018 11:26 PM   
Leaving 3D out of the discussion for a minute, what I find bizarre is that manufacturers refuse to accept 120Hz input, as if 60Hz was ever the pinnacle of greatness for anybody. 1990's CRTs at 60Hz were deemed atrocious, as well as most LCD type monitors (granted, mostly due to flicker). So much so that they integrated frame rate and refresh up-scaling into virtually every TV, and eagerly brought out 120Hz/144Hz, and now 200Hz gaming monitors for PCs. In this day and age, I can't understand why anyone would think 60Hz input is acceptable, when comparatively minimal effort needs to be put into making new generation DLP devices 120Hz compatible. The bandwidth is supported intrinsically via the nw HDMI standard; only the DLP colour wheel would need to double in speed, but even then, maybe not - they already work at double or triple the speed - no-one will be miffed if they only worked at single speed at 120Hz. The situation is a tad bizarre.
Leaving 3D out of the discussion for a minute, what I find bizarre is that manufacturers refuse to accept 120Hz input, as if 60Hz was ever the pinnacle of greatness for anybody.

1990's CRTs at 60Hz were deemed atrocious, as well as most LCD type monitors (granted, mostly due to flicker). So much so that they integrated frame rate and refresh up-scaling into virtually every TV, and eagerly brought out 120Hz/144Hz, and now 200Hz gaming monitors for PCs.

In this day and age, I can't understand why anyone would think 60Hz input is acceptable, when comparatively minimal effort needs to be put into making new generation DLP devices 120Hz compatible. The bandwidth is supported intrinsically via the nw HDMI standard; only the DLP colour wheel would need to double in speed, but even then, maybe not - they already work at double or triple the speed - no-one will be miffed if they only worked at single speed at 120Hz.

The situation is a tad bizarre.

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#24
Posted 04/25/2018 12:12 AM   
I couldn't agree more. The 4K chip with a 1920x1080 mirror array will display 240 interlaced frames to achieve the equivalent of 60 full frames at 2160P. So why not allow 240 at 1080, which is the native resolution of the DMD? I would imagine that a whole lot of people would upgrade their existing PJ, if they gamed at all. It's idiotic that they are clueless to an existing target audience/demographic.
I couldn't agree more.

The 4K chip with a 1920x1080 mirror array will display 240 interlaced frames to achieve the equivalent of 60 full frames at 2160P.

So why not allow 240 at 1080, which is the native resolution of the DMD?

I would imagine that a whole lot of people would upgrade their existing PJ, if they gamed at all.

It's idiotic that they are clueless to an existing target audience/demographic.

#25
Posted 04/25/2018 12:27 AM   
Agree with all that's been said. Regarding 120Hz it's mainly because in the past it was never mandated by HDMI and that's unfortunately the crappy standard we've had to live with. Also, broadcast isn't in 120Hz and HFR hasn't caught on (yet). It will change in time of course, plus the fact that MS are implementing 120Hz output on the Xbox will definitely help give it a push in the right direction. People are moaning that the xbox hasn't got the power to run games at 120Hz but that's besides the point, as it inadvertently plays in the hands of PC gamers and will push the display manufacturers towards further adoption.
Agree with all that's been said. Regarding 120Hz it's mainly because in the past it was never mandated by HDMI and that's unfortunately the crappy standard we've had to live with.
Also, broadcast isn't in 120Hz and HFR hasn't caught on (yet). It will change in time of course, plus the fact that MS are implementing 120Hz output on the Xbox will definitely help give it a push in the right direction.

People are moaning that the xbox hasn't got the power to run games at 120Hz but that's besides the point, as it inadvertently plays in the hands of PC gamers and will push the display manufacturers towards further adoption.

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#26
Posted 04/25/2018 09:59 AM   
[quote="rustyk21"]Agree with all that's been said. Regarding 120Hz it's mainly because in the past it was never mandated by HDMI and that's unfortunately the crappy standard we've had to live with. Also, broadcast isn't in 120Hz and HFR hasn't caught on (yet). It will change in time of course, plus the fact that MS are implementing 120Hz output on the Xbox will definitely help give it a push in the right direction. People are moaning that the xbox hasn't got the power to run games at 120Hz but that's besides the point, as it inadvertently plays in the hands of PC gamers and will push the display manufacturers towards further adoption.[/quote] I think it's because of Asus lacking in the projector market. In monitor market Asus is always the first one to push the development of technology further - higher refresh rates, higher resolutions and combining all of this with Stereo 3D. Projector market is ruled by BenQ, Acer and Optoma and none of them do a good job. For example look at the projectors which are advertised as gaming projectors by Acer and Benq (Acer Predator Z650, BenQ W1210ST). They want to have nearly 1000€ for a 1080p gaming projector but bottle neck it with HDMI 1.4a ports. Are they seriously calling this a gaming projector? xD. That's very sad and embarrassing. It's even more embarassing that - as already mentioned - many new 4k 0.47" projectors don't support 120 hz because of an artificial lock. TV market is tending in the right direction. There are already many 4k panels capable of 120hz so at least you can run them with 1080p@120hz or 1440p @ 90 hz. And the cool thing is that most people don't know that they actually did buy a gaming TV because the manufacturers don't communicate this fact! So when Microsoft releases some 1080p@120hz games for their new XBox many people will be surprised why they run so smooth ;).
rustyk21 said:Agree with all that's been said. Regarding 120Hz it's mainly because in the past it was never mandated by HDMI and that's unfortunately the crappy standard we've had to live with.
Also, broadcast isn't in 120Hz and HFR hasn't caught on (yet). It will change in time of course, plus the fact that MS are implementing 120Hz output on the Xbox will definitely help give it a push in the right direction.

People are moaning that the xbox hasn't got the power to run games at 120Hz but that's besides the point, as it inadvertently plays in the hands of PC gamers and will push the display manufacturers towards further adoption.


I think it's because of Asus lacking in the projector market. In monitor market Asus is always the first one to push the development of technology further - higher refresh rates, higher resolutions and combining all of this with Stereo 3D. Projector market is ruled by BenQ, Acer and Optoma and none of them do a good job. For example look at the projectors which are advertised as gaming projectors by Acer and Benq (Acer Predator Z650, BenQ W1210ST). They want to have nearly 1000€ for a 1080p gaming projector but bottle neck it with HDMI 1.4a ports. Are they seriously calling this a gaming projector? xD. That's very sad and embarrassing. It's even more embarassing that - as already mentioned - many new 4k 0.47" projectors don't support 120 hz because of an artificial lock.

TV market is tending in the right direction. There are already many 4k panels capable of 120hz so at least you can run them with 1080p@120hz or 1440p @ 90 hz. And the cool thing is that most people don't know that they actually did buy a gaming TV because the manufacturers don't communicate this fact! So when Microsoft releases some 1080p@120hz games for their new XBox many people will be surprised why they run so smooth ;).

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#27
Posted 04/25/2018 07:49 PM   
hi i have a w1700 and nvidia 3d vision 2 glases, dont get it to work, have done the old workaround with different drivers, but still no luck, any one know a working workaround ?
hi i have a w1700 and nvidia 3d vision 2 glases, dont get it to work, have done the old workaround with different drivers, but still no luck, any one know a working workaround ?

#28
Posted 10/03/2018 02:59 PM   
Which workaround have you tried? I assume Nvidia control panel is picking up the projector as a 3dtv play device? I think you'll need to use an EDID override. Which one to use is another question, but given that the UHD40/50 is proven working it might be an idea to try one of those. You'll probably need to ask someone who has one to give you a copy using one of the monitor asset manager/EDID extraction tools. Does the projector let you manually choose frame sequential 3d mode in the menus?
Which workaround have you tried?

I assume Nvidia control panel is picking up the projector as a 3dtv play device? I think you'll need to use an EDID override. Which one to use is another question, but given that the UHD40/50 is proven working it might be an idea to try one of those. You'll probably need to ask someone who has one to give you a copy using one of the monitor asset manager/EDID extraction tools.

Does the projector let you manually choose frame sequential 3d mode in the menus?

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#29
Posted 10/03/2018 06:29 PM   
Here is the EDID of my Optoma UHD 40 projector: (another 4k projector capable of 3D) [url]http://fixmanager.rentus.de/downloads/Optoma_UHD_40.zip[/url] My UHD 40 projector is listed as "Generic CRT" in Nvidia Control Panel which is identical to "3D Vision". I would be curious to hear if this EDID works for your Benq W1700 either. Good luck!
Here is the EDID of my Optoma UHD 40 projector: (another 4k projector capable of 3D)

http://fixmanager.rentus.de/downloads/Optoma_UHD_40.zip

My UHD 40 projector is listed as "Generic CRT" in Nvidia Control Panel which is identical to "3D Vision".

I would be curious to hear if this EDID works for your Benq W1700 either. Good luck!

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#30
Posted 10/03/2018 09:49 PM   
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