Ghosting is largly due to Nvidia glasses not blocking out light? Ghosting may not be caused by low r
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[quote name='Skarling' date='29 March 2011 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1301448199' post='1215613']
'cause its nothing to do with glasses. see above. its like you blink fast while looking at your favorite sofa - no ghosting (for most families)
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I respectfully disagree. As I mentioned before, the ED glasses cut the ghosting by eighty percent on the same monitor.
[quote name='Skarling' date='29 March 2011 - 08:23 PM' timestamp='1301448199' post='1215613']

'cause its nothing to do with glasses. see above. its like you blink fast while looking at your favorite sofa - no ghosting (for most families)





I respectfully disagree. As I mentioned before, the ED glasses cut the ghosting by eighty percent on the same monitor.

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#16
Posted 03/31/2011 03:41 AM   
I thought i was the only one, i thought i had defective glasses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syQXYDlEIg
Only the middle like 1cm is black when closed, and then it gradually goes transparent when going to the sides
its absolute rubbish, and i thought i had defective glasses because WHATS THE POINT OF 3D SURROUND WHEN THE GLASSES ONLY BLOCK OUT LIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR PUPIL
maybe someone can find some hardware hack for the glasses that increases their opacity by tweaking some resistor or something
anyway, to test this out, just hold the button on the glasses while 3d is on, one of the lenses will stay opaque as long as you are holding it
and then you can see what "opaque" means...aka not opaque at all except at the very center
I thought i was the only one, i thought i had defective glasses



Only the middle like 1cm is black when closed, and then it gradually goes transparent when going to the sides

its absolute rubbish, and i thought i had defective glasses because WHATS THE POINT OF 3D SURROUND WHEN THE GLASSES ONLY BLOCK OUT LIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR PUPIL

maybe someone can find some hardware hack for the glasses that increases their opacity by tweaking some resistor or something

anyway, to test this out, just hold the button on the glasses while 3d is on, one of the lenses will stay opaque as long as you are holding it

and then you can see what "opaque" means...aka not opaque at all except at the very center

#17
Posted 03/31/2011 05:28 AM   
[quote name='rajkoderp' date='31 March 2011 - 06:28 AM' timestamp='1301549303' post='1216483']
I thought i was the only one, i thought i had defective glasses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syQXYDlEIg
Only the middle like 1cm is black when closed, and then it gradually goes transparent when going to the sides
its absolute rubbish, and i thought i had defective glasses because WHATS THE POINT OF 3D SURROUND WHEN THE GLASSES ONLY BLOCK OUT LIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR PUPIL
maybe someone can find some hardware hack for the glasses that increases their opacity by tweaking some resistor or something
anyway, to test this out, just hold the button on the glasses while 3d is on, one of the lenses will stay opaque as long as you are holding it
and then you can see what "opaque" means...aka not opaque at all except at the very center
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LOL, never thought of that, 3d surround must be ghosting like CRAZY. there's NO way i would buy it as the glasses become 0% opaque to at the closest point to nose and also the peripheral. Would only be valid to have surround vision if you sat really far away from it, but then surely that beats the point of the "surround" part of 3d
[quote name='rajkoderp' date='31 March 2011 - 06:28 AM' timestamp='1301549303' post='1216483']

I thought i was the only one, i thought i had defective glasses



Only the middle like 1cm is black when closed, and then it gradually goes transparent when going to the sides

its absolute rubbish, and i thought i had defective glasses because WHATS THE POINT OF 3D SURROUND WHEN THE GLASSES ONLY BLOCK OUT LIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR PUPIL

maybe someone can find some hardware hack for the glasses that increases their opacity by tweaking some resistor or something

anyway, to test this out, just hold the button on the glasses while 3d is on, one of the lenses will stay opaque as long as you are holding it

and then you can see what "opaque" means...aka not opaque at all except at the very center





LOL, never thought of that, 3d surround must be ghosting like CRAZY. there's NO way i would buy it as the glasses become 0% opaque to at the closest point to nose and also the peripheral. Would only be valid to have surround vision if you sat really far away from it, but then surely that beats the point of the "surround" part of 3d

OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti

#18
Posted 03/31/2011 05:44 AM   
[quote name='oracletriplex' date='31 March 2011 - 04:41 AM' timestamp='1301542884' post='1216436']
I respectfully disagree. As I mentioned before, the ED glasses cut the ghosting by eighty percent on the same monitor.
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would you rate the ED glasses as over all better though? or just better in some categories and worse in others?
[quote name='oracletriplex' date='31 March 2011 - 04:41 AM' timestamp='1301542884' post='1216436']

I respectfully disagree. As I mentioned before, the ED glasses cut the ghosting by eighty percent on the same monitor.





would you rate the ED glasses as over all better though? or just better in some categories and worse in others?

OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti

#19
Posted 03/31/2011 05:46 AM   
[quote name='foreverseeking' date='31 March 2011 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1301550378' post='1216490']
would you rate the ED glasses as over all better though? or just better in some categories and worse in others?
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I would say in 50 percent of the cases where the Nvidia glasses have unplayable ghosting, switching to the ED glasses will fix it. Examples are

Bad Company 2

Unreal Gold

Bioshock 1 and 2

3D Vision Test

Crysis 1

For Just Cause 2 and Mirrors Edge, games with a lot of bright outdoor environments the ghosting is so severe that there's very little I can do with either pair of glasses. I think it is related both to a timing issue AND the opacity of the glasses. The monitor is a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070 @ 140hz. The glasses are a ten year old pair of Edimensional wired shutter glasses attached to the ED dongle with the sync cable attached to nvidia's pyramid.
[quote name='foreverseeking' date='31 March 2011 - 12:46 AM' timestamp='1301550378' post='1216490']

would you rate the ED glasses as over all better though? or just better in some categories and worse in others?





I would say in 50 percent of the cases where the Nvidia glasses have unplayable ghosting, switching to the ED glasses will fix it. Examples are



Bad Company 2



Unreal Gold



Bioshock 1 and 2



3D Vision Test



Crysis 1



For Just Cause 2 and Mirrors Edge, games with a lot of bright outdoor environments the ghosting is so severe that there's very little I can do with either pair of glasses. I think it is related both to a timing issue AND the opacity of the glasses. The monitor is a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070 @ 140hz. The glasses are a ten year old pair of Edimensional wired shutter glasses attached to the ED dongle with the sync cable attached to nvidia's pyramid.

AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision

#20
Posted 03/31/2011 06:30 PM   
i think the nvidia glasses here just arent being synchronized correctly
they arent exactly optimized for crts, anyway
the problem we have is that they are pretty much opaque only in the middle, so if you look at the ghosting by turning your head, it dissapears
its not ghosting over the entire glasses
i think the nvidia glasses here just arent being synchronized correctly

they arent exactly optimized for crts, anyway

the problem we have is that they are pretty much opaque only in the middle, so if you look at the ghosting by turning your head, it dissapears

its not ghosting over the entire glasses

#21
Posted 04/01/2011 04:32 AM   
Try using the nvidia glasses on a DLP projector. 100% ghost free. The issue for people, beyond a PC configuration problem, will be the display. Current LCD & Plasmas have ghosting and always will regardless of the glasses you use. They're getting better though, but look beyond the glasses or go DLP.
Try using the nvidia glasses on a DLP projector. 100% ghost free. The issue for people, beyond a PC configuration problem, will be the display. Current LCD & Plasmas have ghosting and always will regardless of the glasses you use. They're getting better though, but look beyond the glasses or go DLP.

#22
Posted 04/01/2011 04:59 AM   
[quote name='Ingmar' date='31 March 2011 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1301633993' post='1217179']
Try using the nvidia glasses on a DLP projector. 100% ghost free. The issue for people, beyond a PC configuration problem, will be the display. Current LCD & Plasmas have ghosting and always will regardless of the glasses you use. They're getting better though, but look beyond the glasses or go DLP.
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Maybe so, but Nvidia will have to pry this monitor from my cold dead fingers...
[quote name='Ingmar' date='31 March 2011 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1301633993' post='1217179']

Try using the nvidia glasses on a DLP projector. 100% ghost free. The issue for people, beyond a PC configuration problem, will be the display. Current LCD & Plasmas have ghosting and always will regardless of the glasses you use. They're getting better though, but look beyond the glasses or go DLP.





Maybe so, but Nvidia will have to pry this monitor from my cold dead fingers...

AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision

#23
Posted 04/01/2011 06:26 AM   
even on DLP, the glasses will not be opaque the entire lens, only in the center, so you will have ghosting...
UNLESS only SOME glasses have this problem
even on DLP, the glasses will not be opaque the entire lens, only in the center, so you will have ghosting...

UNLESS only SOME glasses have this problem

#24
Posted 04/01/2011 11:30 AM   
[quote name='Ingmar' date='01 April 2011 - 05:59 AM' timestamp='1301633993' post='1217179']
Try using the nvidia glasses on a DLP projector. 100% ghost free. The issue for people, beyond a PC configuration problem, will be the display. Current LCD & Plasmas have ghosting and always will regardless of the glasses you use. They're getting better though, but look beyond the glasses or go DLP.
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Im pretty sure that cant be true, the glasses do mot block any of the light from other eye towards the nose and peripheral. And it only increases opacity towards the centre and is only 99-100% opaque direct in centre at 90 degrer angle. Id be willing to bet no system could be 100% ghost free with the current nvidia glasses. Do the test ive written above, post pics to prove me wrong xx

P.s. Perhaps i have dodgy glasses... Andrew from nvidia, youve been quiet on this one, do you think we have bad glasses?
[quote name='Ingmar' date='01 April 2011 - 05:59 AM' timestamp='1301633993' post='1217179']

Try using the nvidia glasses on a DLP projector. 100% ghost free. The issue for people, beyond a PC configuration problem, will be the display. Current LCD & Plasmas have ghosting and always will regardless of the glasses you use. They're getting better though, but look beyond the glasses or go DLP.





Im pretty sure that cant be true, the glasses do mot block any of the light from other eye towards the nose and peripheral. And it only increases opacity towards the centre and is only 99-100% opaque direct in centre at 90 degrer angle. Id be willing to bet no system could be 100% ghost free with the current nvidia glasses. Do the test ive written above, post pics to prove me wrong xx



P.s. Perhaps i have dodgy glasses... Andrew from nvidia, youve been quiet on this one, do you think we have bad glasses?

OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti

#25
Posted 04/02/2011 05:49 PM   
I just tried to see this on my glasses, and couldn't.
I help the glasses in front of me and looked at images through different parts of the lens, mine looked pretty uniform to me.
I could see an increase in ghosting if I turned my head and looked at an oblique angle though the corner of the glasses, but I'd expect that.
I just tried to see this on my glasses, and couldn't.

I help the glasses in front of me and looked at images through different parts of the lens, mine looked pretty uniform to me.

I could see an increase in ghosting if I turned my head and looked at an oblique angle though the corner of the glasses, but I'd expect that.
#26
Posted 04/02/2011 08:08 PM   
I have also noticed the Nvidia glasses do introduce ghosting if you don't look through the center of the Lense.

Considering the Glasses are LCD technology this is not surprising as LCD is still too slow for good 3D viewing.

I have a DLP projector so I know ALL ghosting is coming from the glasses and not the screen.


It is not noticable with normal viewing though. Only when you "TEST" how well they perform.


The original Topic in this thread is mostly incorrect.

LCD Monitor's or TV's have large amounts of Ghosting. Plasma has small amounts of ghosting. This is just because the response time of the Panel is to slow.

The Ghosting caused by the glasses is VERY minimal. And only when you view through an oblique angle.


Charles
I have also noticed the Nvidia glasses do introduce ghosting if you don't look through the center of the Lense.



Considering the Glasses are LCD technology this is not surprising as LCD is still too slow for good 3D viewing.



I have a DLP projector so I know ALL ghosting is coming from the glasses and not the screen.





It is not noticable with normal viewing though. Only when you "TEST" how well they perform.





The original Topic in this thread is mostly incorrect.



LCD Monitor's or TV's have large amounts of Ghosting. Plasma has small amounts of ghosting. This is just because the response time of the Panel is to slow.



The Ghosting caused by the glasses is VERY minimal. And only when you view through an oblique angle.





Charles

#27
Posted 04/04/2011 12:01 AM   
[quote name='CharlesYen' date='04 April 2011 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1301875270' post='1218776']
I have also noticed the Nvidia glasses do introduce ghosting if you don't look through the center of the Lense.

Considering the Glasses are LCD technology this is not surprising as LCD is still too slow for good 3D viewing.

I have a DLP projector so I know ALL ghosting is coming from the glasses and not the screen.


It is not noticable with normal viewing though. Only when you "TEST" how well they perform.


The original Topic in this thread is mostly incorrect.

LCD Monitor's or TV's have large amounts of Ghosting. Plasma has small amounts of ghosting. This is just because the response time of the Panel is to slow.

The Ghosting caused by the glasses is VERY minimal. And only when you view through an oblique angle.

I dont see how i can be incorrect, as with my lcd screen, aw2310 which is rated one of the best 3d lcd screen, if i hold the glasses up to screen NO GHOSTING at all. The glasses let NO light through from wrong eye. Aka, prooves my lcd screen is 100% fine. Put on the glasses, and look anywhere on my screen but directly at the ghosting and you can see the ghosting. Perhaps if the response time was less it helps this, because of timings, but at the end of the day if the glasses blocked the same amount of light over a space that was bigger then 1cm in centre there would be no ghosting for me in some games such as batman. Only when its black to white contrast do i have ghosting thats caused by my lcd.


Charles
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[quote name='CharlesYen' date='04 April 2011 - 01:01 AM' timestamp='1301875270' post='1218776']

I have also noticed the Nvidia glasses do introduce ghosting if you don't look through the center of the Lense.



Considering the Glasses are LCD technology this is not surprising as LCD is still too slow for good 3D viewing.



I have a DLP projector so I know ALL ghosting is coming from the glasses and not the screen.





It is not noticable with normal viewing though. Only when you "TEST" how well they perform.





The original Topic in this thread is mostly incorrect.



LCD Monitor's or TV's have large amounts of Ghosting. Plasma has small amounts of ghosting. This is just because the response time of the Panel is to slow.



The Ghosting caused by the glasses is VERY minimal. And only when you view through an oblique angle.



I dont see how i can be incorrect, as with my lcd screen, aw2310 which is rated one of the best 3d lcd screen, if i hold the glasses up to screen NO GHOSTING at all. The glasses let NO light through from wrong eye. Aka, prooves my lcd screen is 100% fine. Put on the glasses, and look anywhere on my screen but directly at the ghosting and you can see the ghosting. Perhaps if the response time was less it helps this, because of timings, but at the end of the day if the glasses blocked the same amount of light over a space that was bigger then 1cm in centre there would be no ghosting for me in some games such as batman. Only when its black to white contrast do i have ghosting thats caused by my lcd.





Charles

OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti

#28
Posted 04/04/2011 08:35 AM   
I've tried looking through different parts of the lenses before by moving my head around and it didn't affect the amount of ghosting noticeably.
I've tried looking through different parts of the lenses before by moving my head around and it didn't affect the amount of ghosting noticeably.

#29
Posted 04/04/2011 02:34 PM   
[quote name='fish99' date='04 April 2011 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1301927664' post='1219049']
I've tried looking through different parts of the lenses before by moving my head around and it didn't affect the amount of ghosting noticeably.
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Thanks for the info, im going to contact nvidia then as it would seem i dont have as good glasses as you ;-)
[quote name='fish99' date='04 April 2011 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1301927664' post='1219049']

I've tried looking through different parts of the lenses before by moving my head around and it didn't affect the amount of ghosting noticeably.





Thanks for the info, im going to contact nvidia then as it would seem i dont have as good glasses as you ;-)

OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti

#30
Posted 04/04/2011 08:53 PM   
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