The colour quality is awful on the Alienware monitor - i had previously bought the Acer monitor which had really bad backlight bleed on the bottom right quarter of the screen which is going back tomorrow.
I have given up with 3D gaming - I am now sending the Alienware monitor back as well (within the 7 day distance selling act) - when you first switch on the monitor for the very firsy time it is a ghastly pale colour - then when you think you have fine tuned the colour for your HD movies, you run an avi and the colour is yet again messed up and needs more calibrating (which would cause the HD nice colour to be messed up again)
One thing that really annoyed me was when you have a video not full screen and attempted to change the colour - if you expanded to full screen the colour would go off (i.e. brighter) then when reducing the screen again the colour would be darker. I sometimes like watching my movies small instead of full screen but you cant see anything.
My old and trusty £150 quid monitor was a beauty...... i miss her :(
NVidia glasses are also going back due to rubbish support - i will wait for a couple of generations until they have sorted out the kinks with this 3D lark.
The colour quality is awful on the Alienware monitor - i had previously bought the Acer monitor which had really bad backlight bleed on the bottom right quarter of the screen which is going back tomorrow.
I have given up with 3D gaming - I am now sending the Alienware monitor back as well (within the 7 day distance selling act) - when you first switch on the monitor for the very firsy time it is a ghastly pale colour - then when you think you have fine tuned the colour for your HD movies, you run an avi and the colour is yet again messed up and needs more calibrating (which would cause the HD nice colour to be messed up again)
One thing that really annoyed me was when you have a video not full screen and attempted to change the colour - if you expanded to full screen the colour would go off (i.e. brighter) then when reducing the screen again the colour would be darker. I sometimes like watching my movies small instead of full screen but you cant see anything.
My old and trusty £150 quid monitor was a beauty...... i miss her :(
NVidia glasses are also going back due to rubbish support - i will wait for a couple of generations until they have sorted out the kinks with this 3D lark.
[quote name='TheDynamo' post='1010261' date='Mar 1 2010, 01:30 PM']I'm talking about the Alienware monitor and the Acer monitor (the acer was fauty though) not the Samsung lol[/quote]
I know...just saying.
[quote name='TheDynamo' post='1010261' date='Mar 1 2010, 01:30 PM']I'm talking about the Alienware monitor and the Acer monitor (the acer was fauty though) not the Samsung lol
[quote name='MistaP' post='1010270' date='Mar 1 2010, 01:44 PM']Hmm, I have the AW2310. Colors are great for me.[/quote]
It's all what you're used to.
If you never had a monitor with a huge gamut, then the alienware will look great to you.
If you have had a monitor with a huge gamut, then the alienware will look washed out to you.
Well it's being picked up tomorrow - glasses are going up on ebay. It was fun, but i will wait until it is done well (in the future) instead of being an expensive lab rat.
Well it's being picked up tomorrow - glasses are going up on ebay. It was fun, but i will wait until it is done well (in the future) instead of being an expensive lab rat.
I have a panel with excellent color. It's terrible for gaming.
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos. They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous
[quote name='TheDynamo' post='1010939' date='Mar 2 2010, 10:10 AM']Well it's being picked up tomorrow - glasses are going up on ebay. It was fun, but i will wait until it is done well (in the future) instead of being an expensive lab rat.[/quote]
I have a panel with excellent color. It's terrible for gaming.
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos. They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous
[quote name='TheDynamo' post='1010939' date='Mar 2 2010, 10:10 AM']Well it's being picked up tomorrow - glasses are going up on ebay. It was fun, but i will wait until it is done well (in the future) instead of being an expensive lab rat.
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[quote name='Amorphous' post='1011369' date='Mar 3 2010, 04:29 AM']I have a panel with excellent color. It's terrible for gaming.
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. [b][i][u]We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos.[/u][/i][/b] They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous[/quote]
GREAT post. lol /sorcerer.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sorcerer:' />
[quote name='Amorphous' post='1011369' date='Mar 3 2010, 04:29 AM']I have a panel with excellent color. It's terrible for gaming.
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos. They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous
GREAT post. lol /sorcerer.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sorcerer:' />
Interestingly before i started with the 3D gaming experience i had purchased a Asus VH222H 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor which had great colour in games and also for watching movies etc and it cost £129 and had a Response Time of 5 ms
I got my new £150 monitor today - thr Benq G2420HDBL - absolutely no backlight bleed - whites are white and blacks are blacks - games work fine without any ghosting (also 5 ms) and no having to mess around between avi movies and HD movies.
When there is absolutely no ghosting and monitors actually work without faffing about and driver/profile support is there then i will reconsider trying 3D again. Hopefully over the next 1-2 years things will improve especially with more and more movie titles becoming 3D
Interestingly before i started with the 3D gaming experience i had purchased a Asus VH222H 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor which had great colour in games and also for watching movies etc and it cost £129 and had a Response Time of 5 ms
I got my new £150 monitor today - thr Benq G2420HDBL - absolutely no backlight bleed - whites are white and blacks are blacks - games work fine without any ghosting (also 5 ms) and no having to mess around between avi movies and HD movies.
When there is absolutely no ghosting and monitors actually work without faffing about and driver/profile support is there then i will reconsider trying 3D again. Hopefully over the next 1-2 years things will improve especially with more and more movie titles becoming 3D
I have given up with 3D gaming - I am now sending the Alienware monitor back as well (within the 7 day distance selling act) - when you first switch on the monitor for the very firsy time it is a ghastly pale colour - then when you think you have fine tuned the colour for your HD movies, you run an avi and the colour is yet again messed up and needs more calibrating (which would cause the HD nice colour to be messed up again)
One thing that really annoyed me was when you have a video not full screen and attempted to change the colour - if you expanded to full screen the colour would go off (i.e. brighter) then when reducing the screen again the colour would be darker. I sometimes like watching my movies small instead of full screen but you cant see anything.
My old and trusty £150 quid monitor was a beauty...... i miss her :(
NVidia glasses are also going back due to rubbish support - i will wait for a couple of generations until they have sorted out the kinks with this 3D lark.
I have given up with 3D gaming - I am now sending the Alienware monitor back as well (within the 7 day distance selling act) - when you first switch on the monitor for the very firsy time it is a ghastly pale colour - then when you think you have fine tuned the colour for your HD movies, you run an avi and the colour is yet again messed up and needs more calibrating (which would cause the HD nice colour to be messed up again)
One thing that really annoyed me was when you have a video not full screen and attempted to change the colour - if you expanded to full screen the colour would go off (i.e. brighter) then when reducing the screen again the colour would be darker. I sometimes like watching my movies small instead of full screen but you cant see anything.
My old and trusty £150 quid monitor was a beauty...... i miss her :(
NVidia glasses are also going back due to rubbish support - i will wait for a couple of generations until they have sorted out the kinks with this 3D lark.
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I know...just saying.
I know...just saying.
It's all what you're used to.
If you never had a monitor with a huge gamut, then the alienware will look great to you.
If you have had a monitor with a huge gamut, then the alienware will look washed out to you.
-scheherazade
It's all what you're used to.
If you never had a monitor with a huge gamut, then the alienware will look great to you.
If you have had a monitor with a huge gamut, then the alienware will look washed out to you.
-scheherazade
+1, other than 1 dead pixel and some back light bleed i wouldent fault it.
+1, other than 1 dead pixel and some back light bleed i wouldent fault it.
I believe Dell will replace the panel if you have even 1 dead pixel.
I believe Dell will replace the panel if you have even 1 dead pixel.
OoOoO Thats good news, but dells customer support is so dam bad from my experiances.
+ the person i had a web chat with before i bought this moniter said its 5 or more.............. But it IS 1 or more.
OoOoO Thats good news, but dells customer support is so dam bad from my experiances.
+ the person i had a web chat with before i bought this moniter said its 5 or more.............. But it IS 1 or more.
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos. They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous
[quote name='TheDynamo' post='1010939' date='Mar 2 2010, 10:10 AM']Well it's being picked up tomorrow - glasses are going up on ebay. It was fun, but i will wait until it is done well (in the future) instead of being an expensive lab rat.[/quote]
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos. They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous
[quote name='TheDynamo' post='1010939' date='Mar 2 2010, 10:10 AM']Well it's being picked up tomorrow - glasses are going up on ebay. It was fun, but i will wait until it is done well (in the future) instead of being an expensive lab rat.
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I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. [b][i][u]We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos.[/u][/i][/b] They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous[/quote]
GREAT post. lol
I have a panel that's excellent for gaming. It has poor color.
This isn't likely to change much. The reason is the LCD panel itself (the panel that's in the display, not the display). Good gaming panels must have, in this order of importance: Low input lag, low response time, other features. So your good gaming panels are all going to be TN panels. TN panels have poorer color and viewing angles.
My, crazy expensive, wide gamut display doesn't use a TN panel. It has fantastic color, an okay response time, and terribad input lag. Color reproduction is incredible though. It's absolutely worthless for gaming due to the input lag. To keep the refresh rate low, the panel's engine makes extensive use of overdrive. The response ends up at 6 or 8 MS, with about 90ms of input lag (Samsung 2233RZ ~12ms) . Input lag is the measure of time between the frame being received by the display and the image appearing on the panel. Being, at best, 90ms in the past is horrible for gaming.
So keep in mind the 3D Vision target audience. Gamers. We're not buying these panels for Photoshop. We're buying these panels to blast some foos. They're TN panels, and will likely continue to be. The easy solution is to have more than one display, or more than one PC. I use a gaming PC to game, and a ION based HTPC for my movies.
If you absolutely must have high color quality, research some DLPs, or use a good CRT.
In short, your lack of research on display technology doesn't make you a lab rat, it makes you an uninformed purchaser. When I drop $600 on something, I'm always sure I know what I'm getting and what it's going to do.
Amorphous
GREAT post. lol
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I got my new £150 monitor today - thr Benq G2420HDBL - absolutely no backlight bleed - whites are white and blacks are blacks - games work fine without any ghosting (also 5 ms) and no having to mess around between avi movies and HD movies.
When there is absolutely no ghosting and monitors actually work without faffing about and driver/profile support is there then i will reconsider trying 3D again. Hopefully over the next 1-2 years things will improve especially with more and more movie titles becoming 3D
I got my new £150 monitor today - thr Benq G2420HDBL - absolutely no backlight bleed - whites are white and blacks are blacks - games work fine without any ghosting (also 5 ms) and no having to mess around between avi movies and HD movies.
When there is absolutely no ghosting and monitors actually work without faffing about and driver/profile support is there then i will reconsider trying 3D again. Hopefully over the next 1-2 years things will improve especially with more and more movie titles becoming 3D