3D Vision with 3D TV - What do I need and what to buy?
Hi guys, I'm a very active 3D Vision user, I've bought myself the 3D Vision 2 set, and I want to buy a 3D TV and hook it up to my computer.
I bought one 3D TV once, but the image was all weird, with tons of ghosting, on my Monitor was perfect, so I dunno if the TV was broken or there was something wrong. I returned that TV anyways, but now I want to make sure I buy the right one, and also what do I need, like a special HDMI cable or whatever to make it work in 120 Mhz 1920x1080.
So basically, what type of 3D TV should I get? Anything special I should keep in mind when asking? Like if there's a special kind of HDMI input, or other input that I need? 120Mhz at least I'm guessing? Anything else?
Here's my specs:
[.]3D Vision 2 set[/.]
[.]ASUS VG248QE 24IN Widescreen 1920x1080 144HZ 1MS HDMI DisplayPort DVI-D 3D Vision LED LCD Monitor[/.]
[.]EVGA GeForce GTX 780 863MHZ 3GB GDDR5 384BIT 6008MHZ DUAL-LINK DVI-I HDMI (Will probably get another one to bump my fps)
[/.]
Here's a list of TVs I had in mind, if you guys can tell me if these are ok, or suggest anything, my budget for this is something less than 2500 CAD. Thanks allot!
- Sony 55" 1080p HD 120Hz LED Android TV
- Samsung 55" 4K Ultra HD 3D LED Tizen Smart OS TV
- Panasonic 55" 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D Smart
Here's the comparison page
[url]http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/compare-result.aspx?ProductIds=10373458%2C10368895%2C10368731&returnPath=%2Fen-CA%2Fcategory%2F53-59-inch-tvs%2F329719.aspx%3Ftype%3Dproduct%26filter%3Dcategory%25253aTV%252B%252526%252BHome%252BTheatre%25253bcategory%25253aTelevisions%25253bcategory%25253a53%252B-%252B59%252Binch%252BTVs%25253bhometheatrefeatures0enrchstring%25253a3D%252BTV%26page%3D1%26sortBy%3Dprice%26sortDir%3Dasc[/url].
Hi guys, I'm a very active 3D Vision user, I've bought myself the 3D Vision 2 set, and I want to buy a 3D TV and hook it up to my computer.
I bought one 3D TV once, but the image was all weird, with tons of ghosting, on my Monitor was perfect, so I dunno if the TV was broken or there was something wrong. I returned that TV anyways, but now I want to make sure I buy the right one, and also what do I need, like a special HDMI cable or whatever to make it work in 120 Mhz 1920x1080.
So basically, what type of 3D TV should I get? Anything special I should keep in mind when asking? Like if there's a special kind of HDMI input, or other input that I need? 120Mhz at least I'm guessing? Anything else?
Here's my specs:
3D Vision 2 set
ASUS VG248QE 24IN Widescreen 1920x1080 144HZ 1MS HDMI DisplayPort DVI-D 3D Vision LED LCD Monitor
EVGA GeForce GTX 780 863MHZ 3GB GDDR5 384BIT 6008MHZ DUAL-LINK DVI-I HDMI (Will probably get another one to bump my fps)
Here's a list of TVs I had in mind, if you guys can tell me if these are ok, or suggest anything, my budget for this is something less than 2500 CAD. Thanks allot!
- Sony 55" 1080p HD 120Hz LED Android TV
- Samsung 55" 4K Ultra HD 3D LED Tizen Smart OS TV
- Panasonic 55" 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D Smart
3D Vision doesn't work on 3D TVs, you have to use 3D TV Play. This uses your TV's glasses, and requires you to purchase a license. However if you already have a 3D Vision set, plugging your emitter into the PC will activate 3D TV Play for no extra cost.
Now for the bad news.
With a 3DTV, you're restricted to running at 720p/60hz (per eye), or 1080p/24hz (per eye). 24hz is awful, so this basically means you're stuck with 720p. This can still look pretty good with AA cranked up, but it's a noticeable step down. For some reason, it's not as much of an issue on a projector, and this is what I'd recommend instead.
If you're determined to go with a TV, there is this thread that might be useful, but I've not tried any of this myself.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/3d-vision/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/
3D Vision doesn't work on 3D TVs, you have to use 3D TV Play. This uses your TV's glasses, and requires you to purchase a license. However if you already have a 3D Vision set, plugging your emitter into the PC will activate 3D TV Play for no extra cost.
Now for the bad news.
With a 3DTV, you're restricted to running at 720p/60hz (per eye), or 1080p/24hz (per eye). 24hz is awful, so this basically means you're stuck with 720p. This can still look pretty good with AA cranked up, but it's a noticeable step down. For some reason, it's not as much of an issue on a projector, and this is what I'd recommend instead.
If you're determined to go with a TV, there is this thread that might be useful, but I've not tried any of this myself.
Cool thanks, I checked it out, I don't know if I fully understood what it was, and specially what you mentioned about 3D Vision vs 3D TV Play.
Like, when I tried connection the 3D TV I bought, it automatically recognized it as 3D TV Play I guess, but yes, I had that problem with the 24hz 1080p vs 60hz 720p, but I thought it was a problem maybe because my HDMI cable was shitty or I needed a new TV with a better input, kinda what happens when you use a DVI cable instead of a Dual Link for greater resolution monitors.
So I'm guessing that even if I get the 3D TV Play license it'll be the same issue right? Apparently what this guy mention was the fact that he had a passive TV, so that made a difference? What are my options then if I want to have 1080 with 60hz with a TV?
I'm kind of lost, sorry! I'm very new at this, only have little idea and only for Monitors.
Thanks for all your help!
Cool thanks, I checked it out, I don't know if I fully understood what it was, and specially what you mentioned about 3D Vision vs 3D TV Play.
Like, when I tried connection the 3D TV I bought, it automatically recognized it as 3D TV Play I guess, but yes, I had that problem with the 24hz 1080p vs 60hz 720p, but I thought it was a problem maybe because my HDMI cable was shitty or I needed a new TV with a better input, kinda what happens when you use a DVI cable instead of a Dual Link for greater resolution monitors.
So I'm guessing that even if I get the 3D TV Play license it'll be the same issue right? Apparently what this guy mention was the fact that he had a passive TV, so that made a difference? What are my options then if I want to have 1080 with 60hz with a TV?
I'm kind of lost, sorry! I'm very new at this, only have little idea and only for Monitors.
However, if you get a good passive 4K 3D TV, you can play 3D games in a low ghosting environment, with 3840x1080 pixels per eye @ 60 fps (the highest 3D display resolution available in a single display today). With an EDID mod (see [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/3d-vision/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/post/4510149/#4510149[/url]) and 3DEyeSwapper app (referenced later in same message thread), the Optimized for GeForce Experience mode is enabled, so the inferior 3DTV Play is NOT required at all - just use the passive glasses provided with the TV...
However, if you get a good passive 4K 3D TV, you can play 3D games in a low ghosting environment, with 3840x1080 pixels per eye @ 60 fps (the highest 3D display resolution available in a single display today). With an EDID mod (see https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/3d-vision/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/post/4510149/#4510149) and 3DEyeSwapper app (referenced later in same message thread), the Optimized for GeForce Experience mode is enabled, so the inferior 3DTV Play is NOT required at all - just use the passive glasses provided with the TV...
[quote="leov"]So I'm guessing that even if I get the 3D TV Play license it'll be the same issue right?[/quote]
The 3DTV Play activation only acts as a product key to unlock access the Nvidia's middleware stereoscopic drivers for gaming.
Since you have an emitter, 3DTV Play is unlocked for free, so the only reason that you would need to purchase 3DTV Play would be if you wanted to do stereoscopic gaming on another computer without having to swap your emitter over to the 2nd PC.
leov said:So I'm guessing that even if I get the 3D TV Play license it'll be the same issue right?
The 3DTV Play activation only acts as a product key to unlock access the Nvidia's middleware stereoscopic drivers for gaming.
Since you have an emitter, 3DTV Play is unlocked for free, so the only reason that you would need to purchase 3DTV Play would be if you wanted to do stereoscopic gaming on another computer without having to swap your emitter over to the 2nd PC.
[quote="D-Man11"]Since you have an emitter, 3DTV Play is unlocked for free, so the only reason that you would need to purchase 3DTV Play would be if you wanted to do stereoscopic gaming on another computer without having to swap your emitter over to the 2nd PC.[/quote]
Cool, now I get it, thanks!
So basically I'm stuck with 2 options right? Like non-passive with 720p @ 60hz, 1080p @ 24 hz, or a passive 3D TV that can go up to 4k with relatively small ghosting, right?
TBH for gaming I don't care going 4k, as long as I get more fps @ 1080, I'm more than happy. I will probably use 4k for movies.
D-Man11 said:Since you have an emitter, 3DTV Play is unlocked for free, so the only reason that you would need to purchase 3DTV Play would be if you wanted to do stereoscopic gaming on another computer without having to swap your emitter over to the 2nd PC.
Cool, now I get it, thanks!
So basically I'm stuck with 2 options right? Like non-passive with 720p @ 60hz, 1080p @ 24 hz, or a passive 3D TV that can go up to 4k with relatively small ghosting, right?
TBH for gaming I don't care going 4k, as long as I get more fps @ 1080, I'm more than happy. I will probably use 4k for movies.
You've pretty much got it. The methods for 4K might work for other resolutions below 4K though. It's an experimental hack, so there's not really any guarantees with that one.
You've pretty much got it. The methods for 4K might work for other resolutions below 4K though. It's an experimental hack, so there's not really any guarantees with that one.
The LG 4K sets provide excellent 3D display of 3D blu-ray movies in full 1080p resolution (via XBox One, for example), in addition to great PC gaming via the 4K EDID mod and this community's superb game fixes. Note that every game I have tried has worked with EDID mod, but some games do not display 1080p correctly (in-game resolution setting). See message thread in prior link for more discussion.
The LG 4K sets provide excellent 3D display of 3D blu-ray movies in full 1080p resolution (via XBox One, for example), in addition to great PC gaming via the 4K EDID mod and this community's superb game fixes. Note that every game I have tried has worked with EDID mod, but some games do not display 1080p correctly (in-game resolution setting). See message thread in prior link for more discussion.
EDID mods like the one in the link above provide a software-based (not firmware) device override for a PC's display/monitor driver. Using Windows Device Manager, override the Generic Monitor device driver with the referenced file in the link above (override required every time you update NVIDIA graphics driver). Windows 10 and 8.1 also require a one-time OS security reboot option to enable unsigned driver activation. Since no hardware firmware is changed, an EDID is easily/safely removed, if undesired - although the 4K passive EDID mod is superb, in my opinion...
By the way, the scaling issue I mentioned above is NOT a problem - I did not set up the NVIDIA Control Panel correctly. I suggest setting control panel is use Full-screen override, with GPU scaling. Therefore, in-game resolutions can be readily changed below 2160p (60 Hz), if required for good game performance (like Rise of the Tomb Raider).
EDID mods like the one in the link above provide a software-based (not firmware) device override for a PC's display/monitor driver. Using Windows Device Manager, override the Generic Monitor device driver with the referenced file in the link above (override required every time you update NVIDIA graphics driver). Windows 10 and 8.1 also require a one-time OS security reboot option to enable unsigned driver activation. Since no hardware firmware is changed, an EDID is easily/safely removed, if undesired - although the 4K passive EDID mod is superb, in my opinion...
By the way, the scaling issue I mentioned above is NOT a problem - I did not set up the NVIDIA Control Panel correctly. I suggest setting control panel is use Full-screen override, with GPU scaling. Therefore, in-game resolutions can be readily changed below 2160p (60 Hz), if required for good game performance (like Rise of the Tomb Raider).
I bought one 3D TV once, but the image was all weird, with tons of ghosting, on my Monitor was perfect, so I dunno if the TV was broken or there was something wrong. I returned that TV anyways, but now I want to make sure I buy the right one, and also what do I need, like a special HDMI cable or whatever to make it work in 120 Mhz 1920x1080.
So basically, what type of 3D TV should I get? Anything special I should keep in mind when asking? Like if there's a special kind of HDMI input, or other input that I need? 120Mhz at least I'm guessing? Anything else?
Here's my specs:
Here's a list of TVs I had in mind, if you guys can tell me if these are ok, or suggest anything, my budget for this is something less than 2500 CAD. Thanks allot!
- Sony 55" 1080p HD 120Hz LED Android TV
- Samsung 55" 4K Ultra HD 3D LED Tizen Smart OS TV
- Panasonic 55" 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D Smart
Here's the comparison page
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/compare-result.aspx?ProductIds=10373458%2C10368895%2C10368731&returnPath=%2Fen-CA%2Fcategory%2F53-59-inch-tvs%2F329719.aspx%3Ftype%3Dproduct%26filter%3Dcategory%25253aTV%252B%252526%252BHome%252BTheatre%25253bcategory%25253aTelevisions%25253bcategory%25253a53%252B-%252B59%252Binch%252BTVs%25253bhometheatrefeatures0enrchstring%25253a3D%252BTV%26page%3D1%26sortBy%3Dprice%26sortDir%3Dasc.
Now for the bad news.
With a 3DTV, you're restricted to running at 720p/60hz (per eye), or 1080p/24hz (per eye). 24hz is awful, so this basically means you're stuck with 720p. This can still look pretty good with AA cranked up, but it's a noticeable step down. For some reason, it's not as much of an issue on a projector, and this is what I'd recommend instead.
If you're determined to go with a TV, there is this thread that might be useful, but I've not tried any of this myself.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/3d-vision/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/
Like, when I tried connection the 3D TV I bought, it automatically recognized it as 3D TV Play I guess, but yes, I had that problem with the 24hz 1080p vs 60hz 720p, but I thought it was a problem maybe because my HDMI cable was shitty or I needed a new TV with a better input, kinda what happens when you use a DVI cable instead of a Dual Link for greater resolution monitors.
So I'm guessing that even if I get the 3D TV Play license it'll be the same issue right? Apparently what this guy mention was the fact that he had a passive TV, so that made a difference? What are my options then if I want to have 1080 with 60hz with a TV?
I'm kind of lost, sorry! I'm very new at this, only have little idea and only for Monitors.
Thanks for all your help!
The 3DTV Play activation only acts as a product key to unlock access the Nvidia's middleware stereoscopic drivers for gaming.
Since you have an emitter, 3DTV Play is unlocked for free, so the only reason that you would need to purchase 3DTV Play would be if you wanted to do stereoscopic gaming on another computer without having to swap your emitter over to the 2nd PC.
Cool, now I get it, thanks!
So basically I'm stuck with 2 options right? Like non-passive with 720p @ 60hz, 1080p @ 24 hz, or a passive 3D TV that can go up to 4k with relatively small ghosting, right?
TBH for gaming I don't care going 4k, as long as I get more fps @ 1080, I'm more than happy. I will probably use 4k for movies.
By the way, the scaling issue I mentioned above is NOT a problem - I did not set up the NVIDIA Control Panel correctly. I suggest setting control panel is use Full-screen override, with GPU scaling. Therefore, in-game resolutions can be readily changed below 2160p (60 Hz), if required for good game performance (like Rise of the Tomb Raider).