Is there non-biased test about input lag for Samsung 2233RZ and Viewsonic VX2268wm? I found this article ([url="http://3dvision-blog.com/input-lag-on-samsung-2233rz-and-viewsonic-vx2268wm/#comments"]here[/url]) , where at first Viewsonic was lagging but samsung wasn't based on the pictures, even though the article stated otherwise. Funny thing is that the pictures changed overnight and are now in viewsonics favor and text was slightly edited also. So to you people who have the opportunity to test this out, please send pictures of 2233rz and VX2268wm or blog about it. I just want to know whats the unbiased truth behind this. Im not a samsung or viewsonic fanboy, i just want the cold facts that will help me to choose the product i want.
how to do [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag#Testing_for_input_lag"]it[/url]? basically you need camera and crt and the lcd running side by side.
Can Samsungs different enhancing modes affect results? like sports setting or dynamic contrast? is there same kind of features in Viewsonic?
In nvidia 3d mode the display goes to to different enhancing mode? Is it possible to test this one out?
Is there non-biased test about input lag for Samsung 2233RZ and Viewsonic VX2268wm? I found this article (here) , where at first Viewsonic was lagging but samsung wasn't based on the pictures, even though the article stated otherwise. Funny thing is that the pictures changed overnight and are now in viewsonics favor and text was slightly edited also. So to you people who have the opportunity to test this out, please send pictures of 2233rz and VX2268wm or blog about it. I just want to know whats the unbiased truth behind this. Im not a samsung or viewsonic fanboy, i just want the cold facts that will help me to choose the product i want.
how to do it? basically you need camera and crt and the lcd running side by side.
Can Samsungs different enhancing modes affect results? like sports setting or dynamic contrast? is there same kind of features in Viewsonic?
In nvidia 3d mode the display goes to to different enhancing mode? Is it possible to test this one out?
[quote name='lumpeh' post='596641' date='Oct 5 2009, 05:33 PM']Funny you should mention this: [url="http://3dvision-blog.com/"]http://3dvision-blog.com/[/url][/quote]
That was the article that i was referring to, there's link in my first post to there. In the first version of the article Viewsonic was lagging 16 ms behind both crt and samsung in the pictures but text told that it was not lagging at all. Overnight the pictures and the text changed in that blog to Viewsonics favor. From my point of view thats really weird and i cannot believe that test is totally unbiased. Thats why im asking second opinions here, because i think here are users with both displays.
Also if the writer of 3d vision blog could post the previous pictures also i would appreciate it.
[quote name='lumpeh' post='596641' date='Oct 5 2009, 05:33 PM']Funny you should mention this: http://3dvision-blog.com/
That was the article that i was referring to, there's link in my first post to there. In the first version of the article Viewsonic was lagging 16 ms behind both crt and samsung in the pictures but text told that it was not lagging at all. Overnight the pictures and the text changed in that blog to Viewsonics favor. From my point of view thats really weird and i cannot believe that test is totally unbiased. Thats why im asking second opinions here, because i think here are users with both displays.
Also if the writer of 3d vision blog could post the previous pictures also i would appreciate it.
I can also show you an image like this, with two LCDs showing the same result:
[img]http://i33.tinypic.com/10n822w.jpg[/img]
Or a one like this with the Samsung LCD faster with 31 ms than the CRT:
[img]http://i37.tinypic.com/33nwxg0.jpg[/img]
But you can consider these as flops, just because they are just a few (I have a few more with weird results) of about 500 different frames I shot while testing. The whole average is cited in the article, but you should have in mind that this is done with the two video outputs of the card, which is considered to be not that accurate for input lag measurement. I'm trying to find a splitter to connect both displays to a single video port and repeat the tests just to confirm it.
I can also show you an image like this, with two LCDs showing the same result:
Or a one like this with the Samsung LCD faster with 31 ms than the CRT:
But you can consider these as flops, just because they are just a few (I have a few more with weird results) of about 500 different frames I shot while testing. The whole average is cited in the article, but you should have in mind that this is done with the two video outputs of the card, which is considered to be not that accurate for input lag measurement. I'm trying to find a splitter to connect both displays to a single video port and repeat the tests just to confirm it.
Here is another frame with both the Samung LCD and CRT showing exactly the same image, and by exactly the same I really mean it... take a look at the bottom of the millisecond counter:
[img]http://i36.tinypic.com/2vd4c9k.jpg[/img]
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.
Here is another frame with both the Samung LCD and CRT showing exactly the same image, and by exactly the same I really mean it... take a look at the bottom of the millisecond counter:
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.
[quote name='Bloody' post='596712' date='Oct 5 2009, 08:42 PM']Here is another frame with both the Samung LCD and CRT showing exactly the same image, and by exactly the same I really mean it... take a look at the bottom of the millisecond counter:
[img]http://i36.tinypic.com/2vd4c9k.jpg[/img]
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.[/quote]
Thank you for clarification! This clears my suspection that not everything was told about testing method. But enough of conspiracy theories, i'm really interested in actual fact based results concerning both monitors. So these variations can be from clone mode in nvidia. (maybe from camera and how it stores pictures? [url="http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/iphone_spinning_propeller_shot.jpg"]link to infamous iphone shots[/url], just a thought, I don't know the test enviroment) Results are more like statistical result that leans to viewsonic side. So i have to wait and hope you/someone get unbiased splitter somewhere.
[quote name='Bloody' post='596712' date='Oct 5 2009, 08:42 PM']Here is another frame with both the Samung LCD and CRT showing exactly the same image, and by exactly the same I really mean it... take a look at the bottom of the millisecond counter:
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.
Thank you for clarification! This clears my suspection that not everything was told about testing method. But enough of conspiracy theories, i'm really interested in actual fact based results concerning both monitors. So these variations can be from clone mode in nvidia. (maybe from camera and how it stores pictures? link to infamous iphone shots, just a thought, I don't know the test enviroment) Results are more like statistical result that leans to viewsonic side. So i have to wait and hope you/someone get unbiased splitter somewhere.
About a year ago a newspaper tested 10 different LCD gamer monitors. All said 2-5ms but the test result was 22-45ms.
(So maybe that is why some gamers complain that they can't hit/crappy hitbox etc. while others with no input lag have no problem?)
Because of that test I don't trust those tiny numbers all that much.
It is just that input lag is not that easy to test by normal users and the companies producing displays do not push for some standardization of the measurement procedure and do not announce officially numbers about that (even if they test for input lag) with the reason being that the numbers probably won't be to most gamers' liking. And as normal users we don't have that much info and equipment to test these things out the right way, so all we can do is try our best and hope it works out well... ;)
It is just that input lag is not that easy to test by normal users and the companies producing displays do not push for some standardization of the measurement procedure and do not announce officially numbers about that (even if they test for input lag) with the reason being that the numbers probably won't be to most gamers' liking. And as normal users we don't have that much info and equipment to test these things out the right way, so all we can do is try our best and hope it works out well... ;)
how to do [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag#Testing_for_input_lag"]it[/url]? basically you need camera and crt and the lcd running side by side.
Can Samsungs different enhancing modes affect results? like sports setting or dynamic contrast? is there same kind of features in Viewsonic?
In nvidia 3d mode the display goes to to different enhancing mode? Is it possible to test this one out?
how to do it? basically you need camera and crt and the lcd running side by side.
Can Samsungs different enhancing modes affect results? like sports setting or dynamic contrast? is there same kind of features in Viewsonic?
In nvidia 3d mode the display goes to to different enhancing mode? Is it possible to test this one out?
That was the article that i was referring to, there's link in my first post to there. In the first version of the article Viewsonic was lagging 16 ms behind both crt and samsung in the pictures but text told that it was not lagging at all. Overnight the pictures and the text changed in that blog to Viewsonics favor. From my point of view thats really weird and i cannot believe that test is totally unbiased. Thats why im asking second opinions here, because i think here are users with both displays.
Also if the writer of 3d vision blog could post the previous pictures also i would appreciate it.
That was the article that i was referring to, there's link in my first post to there. In the first version of the article Viewsonic was lagging 16 ms behind both crt and samsung in the pictures but text told that it was not lagging at all. Overnight the pictures and the text changed in that blog to Viewsonics favor. From my point of view thats really weird and i cannot believe that test is totally unbiased. Thats why im asking second opinions here, because i think here are users with both displays.
Also if the writer of 3d vision blog could post the previous pictures also i would appreciate it.
[img]http://i33.tinypic.com/10n822w.jpg[/img]
Or a one like this with the Samsung LCD faster with 31 ms than the CRT:
[img]http://i37.tinypic.com/33nwxg0.jpg[/img]
But you can consider these as flops, just because they are just a few (I have a few more with weird results) of about 500 different frames I shot while testing. The whole average is cited in the article, but you should have in mind that this is done with the two video outputs of the card, which is considered to be not that accurate for input lag measurement. I'm trying to find a splitter to connect both displays to a single video port and repeat the tests just to confirm it.
Or a one like this with the Samsung LCD faster with 31 ms than the CRT:
But you can consider these as flops, just because they are just a few (I have a few more with weird results) of about 500 different frames I shot while testing. The whole average is cited in the article, but you should have in mind that this is done with the two video outputs of the card, which is considered to be not that accurate for input lag measurement. I'm trying to find a splitter to connect both displays to a single video port and repeat the tests just to confirm it.
My 3D Vision Blog - 3dvision-blog.com
[img]http://i36.tinypic.com/2vd4c9k.jpg[/img]
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.
My 3D Vision Blog - 3dvision-blog.com
[img]http://i36.tinypic.com/2vd4c9k.jpg[/img]
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.[/quote]
Thank you for clarification! This clears my suspection that not everything was told about testing method. But enough of conspiracy theories, i'm really interested in actual fact based results concerning both monitors. So these variations can be from clone mode in nvidia. (maybe from camera and how it stores pictures? [url="http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/iphone_spinning_propeller_shot.jpg"]link to infamous iphone shots[/url], just a thought, I don't know the test enviroment) Results are more like statistical result that leans to viewsonic side. So i have to wait and hope you/someone get unbiased splitter somewhere.
Once more, thousand thanks from replying!
All three displays were tested at factory default settings, as you should know that any additional option requires more processing of the image and can actually increase the input lag of the display.
Thank you for clarification! This clears my suspection that not everything was told about testing method. But enough of conspiracy theories, i'm really interested in actual fact based results concerning both monitors. So these variations can be from clone mode in nvidia. (maybe from camera and how it stores pictures? link to infamous iphone shots, just a thought, I don't know the test enviroment) Results are more like statistical result that leans to viewsonic side. So i have to wait and hope you/someone get unbiased splitter somewhere.
Once more, thousand thanks from replying!
(So maybe that is why some gamers complain that they can't hit/crappy hitbox etc. while others with no input lag have no problem?)
Because of that test I don't trust those tiny numbers all that much.
(So maybe that is why some gamers complain that they can't hit/crappy hitbox etc. while others with no input lag have no problem?)
Because of that test I don't trust those tiny numbers all that much.
My 3D Vision Blog - 3dvision-blog.com