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[quote name='f3likx' date='14 March 2011 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1300148962' post='1207631']
Funny that you guys rag on him, when he's already gone to the trouble of making an auto 3d crosshair app for mass effect 1 and 2. I sure hope you didn't use that app before you came here and crap up this thread.
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What would I use that for? I just map a mouse thumb button to whatever hot key I set up in the NVIDIA control panel. Then I don't have to use a program made by a guy who insists he can fix a driver problem in a few hours when he very clearly doesn't have the slightest inkling of how a driver even works.
[quote name='f3likx' date='14 March 2011 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1300148962' post='1207631']

Funny that you guys rag on him, when he's already gone to the trouble of making an auto 3d crosshair app for mass effect 1 and 2. I sure hope you didn't use that app before you came here and crap up this thread.



What would I use that for? I just map a mouse thumb button to whatever hot key I set up in the NVIDIA control panel. Then I don't have to use a program made by a guy who insists he can fix a driver problem in a few hours when he very clearly doesn't have the slightest inkling of how a driver even works.

#16
Posted 03/16/2011 01:31 AM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='16 March 2011 - 01:31 AM' timestamp='1300239102' post='1208228']
What would I use that for? I just map a mouse thumb button to whatever hot key I set up in the NVIDIA control panel. Then I don't have to use a program made by a guy who insists he can fix a driver problem in a few hours when he very clearly doesn't have the slightest inkling of how a driver even works.
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Don't forget you have to also account for a 50-160ms delay on keydown as well or NVIDIA won't detect your input.

Your solution could be done with a g15 and a good script. My program is free, g15 costs money. You could write up a tutorial to help people with a g15 keyboard setup ease of use functionality instead of just bitching. lawlz :P Or if you know a super super simple way to achieve my functionality then please do a write up and I'll use it as well. The difference is I'm not stubborn like NVIDIA. If my way is inefficient I'll immediately switch to what's efficient. Please show me a way to achieve simpler more efficient functionality to tie the laser cross hair to my right mouse button and I'll use it in a heartbeat. [b]My solution is for people who don't want to dick around with anything and don't have knowledge or expertise with advanced macros.[/b] I care about a simple user experience that gets the job done. That is how I think.

NVIDIA could learn from your attack against me. I'm willing to adapt and change while NVIDIA sits there letting all these annoying issues linger.

Also half of my solutions have nothing to do with the driver itself. They are interface, gui, ease of use issues designed to make a quality user experience. For example why would NVIDIA spam a user with a warning message just because the desktop and in game resolutions are different even though 3D is working just fine? Give an explanation or fix the issue and allow the user to disable in game warning messages.

3D Mouse Cursor

1. It's possible to set the position of the NVIDIA laser crosshair to the middle of the screen. Knowing full well that is possible why not dynamically set the coords every X ms? See where I'm getting at? If you can statically set it to the center of the screen, why not move it around dynamically? The theory is sound and it seems they have a routine in place that checks to see what objects the crosshair is hovering over and it adjusts the depth/conv accordingly. The theory is sound. If you can whip the camera around and have the crosshair do depth/conv checks then there is no reason why you can't move it along with the mouse which still involves whipping motions like moving the camera around.

Oh and btw can you show me a super easy way to link my right mouse button to the nvidia crosshair so I don't have to use a program? I'd much prefer it that way. I'd rather not download autoit or any other macro program. Just a simple windows solution maybe? I tried Itype and Ipoint but couldn't get it to work right. Remember my program is a small download with no installation even needed. You can get it up and running in under 60 seconds. Installing autoit or any other type of macro program would take longer than my way. :P How efficient can you get it? :) [b]Don't think of yourself, think about the average user who doesn't have much technical expertise.[/b]

Ultimately all programming is the same crap just a different smell. You step through each line of code, determine what it does, research and move on.

I lack the expertise to write 3D from scratch or write drivers from scratch with the skill of NVIDIA. But looking at, stepping through and modify existing code is something I'm very very good at.
[quote name='Zloth' date='16 March 2011 - 01:31 AM' timestamp='1300239102' post='1208228']

What would I use that for? I just map a mouse thumb button to whatever hot key I set up in the NVIDIA control panel. Then I don't have to use a program made by a guy who insists he can fix a driver problem in a few hours when he very clearly doesn't have the slightest inkling of how a driver even works.





Don't forget you have to also account for a 50-160ms delay on keydown as well or NVIDIA won't detect your input.



Your solution could be done with a g15 and a good script. My program is free, g15 costs money. You could write up a tutorial to help people with a g15 keyboard setup ease of use functionality instead of just bitching. lawlz :P Or if you know a super super simple way to achieve my functionality then please do a write up and I'll use it as well. The difference is I'm not stubborn like NVIDIA. If my way is inefficient I'll immediately switch to what's efficient. Please show me a way to achieve simpler more efficient functionality to tie the laser cross hair to my right mouse button and I'll use it in a heartbeat. My solution is for people who don't want to dick around with anything and don't have knowledge or expertise with advanced macros. I care about a simple user experience that gets the job done. That is how I think.



NVIDIA could learn from your attack against me. I'm willing to adapt and change while NVIDIA sits there letting all these annoying issues linger.



Also half of my solutions have nothing to do with the driver itself. They are interface, gui, ease of use issues designed to make a quality user experience. For example why would NVIDIA spam a user with a warning message just because the desktop and in game resolutions are different even though 3D is working just fine? Give an explanation or fix the issue and allow the user to disable in game warning messages.



3D Mouse Cursor



1. It's possible to set the position of the NVIDIA laser crosshair to the middle of the screen. Knowing full well that is possible why not dynamically set the coords every X ms? See where I'm getting at? If you can statically set it to the center of the screen, why not move it around dynamically? The theory is sound and it seems they have a routine in place that checks to see what objects the crosshair is hovering over and it adjusts the depth/conv accordingly. The theory is sound. If you can whip the camera around and have the crosshair do depth/conv checks then there is no reason why you can't move it along with the mouse which still involves whipping motions like moving the camera around.



Oh and btw can you show me a super easy way to link my right mouse button to the nvidia crosshair so I don't have to use a program? I'd much prefer it that way. I'd rather not download autoit or any other macro program. Just a simple windows solution maybe? I tried Itype and Ipoint but couldn't get it to work right. Remember my program is a small download with no installation even needed. You can get it up and running in under 60 seconds. Installing autoit or any other type of macro program would take longer than my way. :P How efficient can you get it? :) Don't think of yourself, think about the average user who doesn't have much technical expertise.



Ultimately all programming is the same crap just a different smell. You step through each line of code, determine what it does, research and move on.



I lack the expertise to write 3D from scratch or write drivers from scratch with the skill of NVIDIA. But looking at, stepping through and modify existing code is something I'm very very good at.

#17
Posted 03/16/2011 12:18 PM   
I absolutely applaud Jenson for not only his enthusiasm, but also for his maturity in how he presents his viewpoints; even in the face of people who try to bait him.

I must say, as a 3D Vision consumer myself, why does Nvidia NOT answer the question of why they are reluctant to open profile tweaking/editing/creating to the community? I know many of us would try to help, and I can only see upside for Nvidia as more games end up working on their platform thus they sell more product as more people find the experience simple and enjoyable.

Is this some sort of competitive/IP issue? Not sure how, but I would at least respect the company more if they let us know why this is the case even though I might not agree with them.

I recently re-joined the S3D nVidia world after taking several years off. I was hugely enthusiastic about S3D back in the CRT days. Back then I remember being abandoned by Nvidia with no driver updates or support. So, needless to say, I was VERY reluctant to make the jump again. I'm hoping that this time Nvidia REALLY means to go the distance with S3D; something that would be evidenced by ramping up their profile creation with the community's help.

Ultimately, burned once: shame on you. Burned twice: shame on me.

I'm hoping I don't hate myself.... :)
I absolutely applaud Jenson for not only his enthusiasm, but also for his maturity in how he presents his viewpoints; even in the face of people who try to bait him.



I must say, as a 3D Vision consumer myself, why does Nvidia NOT answer the question of why they are reluctant to open profile tweaking/editing/creating to the community? I know many of us would try to help, and I can only see upside for Nvidia as more games end up working on their platform thus they sell more product as more people find the experience simple and enjoyable.



Is this some sort of competitive/IP issue? Not sure how, but I would at least respect the company more if they let us know why this is the case even though I might not agree with them.



I recently re-joined the S3D nVidia world after taking several years off. I was hugely enthusiastic about S3D back in the CRT days. Back then I remember being abandoned by Nvidia with no driver updates or support. So, needless to say, I was VERY reluctant to make the jump again. I'm hoping that this time Nvidia REALLY means to go the distance with S3D; something that would be evidenced by ramping up their profile creation with the community's help.



Ultimately, burned once: shame on you. Burned twice: shame on me.



I'm hoping I don't hate myself.... :)

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#18
Posted 03/16/2011 05:12 PM   
This thread makes me glad that IZ3D are in the process of developing a usb emitter that will work with any 3d glasses on any 120hz monitor.
This thread makes me glad that IZ3D are in the process of developing a usb emitter that will work with any 3d glasses on any 120hz monitor.

#19
Posted 03/16/2011 06:57 PM   
[quote name='conan48' date='14 March 2011 - 11:44 PM' timestamp='1300146285' post='1207610']
LOL. BEST WAY TO GET A JOB INTERVIEW EVER!!.........

Except the one way to get a job doing security for the Pentagon. Hack them and then you get to work for them. LOL.
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It's either that or .... you are immeditately arrested after demonstrating your hacking abilities on their computers. Then, you spend the next 5-20 years in a federal prison. Fake job invites are an easy way to catch crooks. And many crooks are too naive or too greedy or too proud and fall into the trap /ermm.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ermm:' />
[quote name='conan48' date='14 March 2011 - 11:44 PM' timestamp='1300146285' post='1207610']

LOL. BEST WAY TO GET A JOB INTERVIEW EVER!!.........



Except the one way to get a job doing security for the Pentagon. Hack them and then you get to work for them. LOL.





It's either that or .... you are immeditately arrested after demonstrating your hacking abilities on their computers. Then, you spend the next 5-20 years in a federal prison. Fake job invites are an easy way to catch crooks. And many crooks are too naive or too greedy or too proud and fall into the trap /ermm.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ermm:' />

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#20
Posted 03/16/2011 06:59 PM   
[quote name='Partol' date='16 March 2011 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1300301948' post='1208664']
It's either that or .... you are immeditately arrested after demonstrating your hacking abilities on their computers. Then, you spend the next 5-20 years in a federal prison. Fake job invites are an easy way to catch crooks. And many crooks are too naive or too greedy or too proud and fall into the trap /ermm.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ermm:' />
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You give me too much credit...:)
[quote name='Partol' date='16 March 2011 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1300301948' post='1208664']

It's either that or .... you are immeditately arrested after demonstrating your hacking abilities on their computers. Then, you spend the next 5-20 years in a federal prison. Fake job invites are an easy way to catch crooks. And many crooks are too naive or too greedy or too proud and fall into the trap /ermm.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ermm:' />





You give me too much credit...:)

#21
Posted 03/17/2011 04:44 PM   
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