GTX 970 4K 3D VIsion gaming success with LGUB850V Passive TV
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Thanks for the great work, innuendo1231b!
Your EDID mod worked great with my LG 55UB9500. It did not work with my passive Sony 65X900A - however, the X900A is not fully HDMI 2.0 compliant (it only supports 2160p30 3D). Note that the ghosting performance of both passive displays is similar when using 1080p60 3D and TriDef high-contrast test pattern , with the smaller LG display providing slightly better ghosting performance.
I have briefly tested Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dragon Age Inquisition, and Oddworld New n Tasty. Note that some of these games allow down-scaling to 1080p, while still displaying 3D. With this EDID mod and NVIDIA optimized for geforce 3D mode, I finally appear to be getting stable 3D rendering with Dragon Age and my Windows 8.1 system! However, I appear to be getting some type of ghosting in one eye in Alien Isolation. All other games look great. Because of the larger display size, I have disabled all in-game AA. Looks like I will have to OC my 980 as well, in an attempt to handle the higher rendering requirements.
By the way, my display screen (either Desktop or in-game) now occasionally blanks, then returns to normal display after 1-2 seconds. Anyone else notice occasional blanking with this EDID mod?
Edit: Ghosting in Alien Isolation was due to incorrect AO in-game setting. Reconfigured setup to use 980's HDMI output port instead of DVI-D output - Desktop/gaming display screens now stable. TV's HDMI UHD Deep Color mode created display artifacts in Alien Isolation, so I had to disable this display setting. Using 2 meter high-speed HDMI cable connection.
Your EDID mod worked great with my LG 55UB9500. It did not work with my passive Sony 65X900A - however, the X900A is not fully HDMI 2.0 compliant (it only supports 2160p30 3D). Note that the ghosting performance of both passive displays is similar when using 1080p60 3D and TriDef high-contrast test pattern , with the smaller LG display providing slightly better ghosting performance.
I have briefly tested Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dragon Age Inquisition, and Oddworld New n Tasty. Note that some of these games allow down-scaling to 1080p, while still displaying 3D. With this EDID mod and NVIDIA optimized for geforce 3D mode, I finally appear to be getting stable 3D rendering with Dragon Age and my Windows 8.1 system! However, I appear to be getting some type of ghosting in one eye in Alien Isolation. All other games look great. Because of the larger display size, I have disabled all in-game AA. Looks like I will have to OC my 980 as well, in an attempt to handle the higher rendering requirements.
By the way, my display screen (either Desktop or in-game) now occasionally blanks, then returns to normal display after 1-2 seconds. Anyone else notice occasional blanking with this EDID mod?
Edit: Ghosting in Alien Isolation was due to incorrect AO in-game setting. Reconfigured setup to use 980's HDMI output port instead of DVI-D output - Desktop/gaming display screens now stable. TV's HDMI UHD Deep Color mode created display artifacts in Alien Isolation, so I had to disable this display setting. Using 2 meter high-speed HDMI cable connection.
Thank you innuendo1231b, it indeed works in 4k 3D on 55UC970. GREAT JOB
However it seems I cannot disable UHD color deepth with this EDID. Unfortunatelly until now I couldn't find a cable longer than 7.5m that can carry 4k@60hz and UHD color without artefats.
Maybe also because of the cable I get no signal sometimes when switching from FullDH to 4k in Win 8.1 and everytime when switching from 4k to FullHD in windows 7.
Do you know what part of the EDID is responsable for the UHD color and how it could be disabled?
Do you get no signal sometimes aslo?
Thank you innuendo1231b, it indeed works in 4k 3D on 55UC970. GREAT JOB
However it seems I cannot disable UHD color deepth with this EDID. Unfortunatelly until now I couldn't find a cable longer than 7.5m that can carry 4k@60hz and UHD color without artefats.
Maybe also because of the cable I get no signal sometimes when switching from FullDH to 4k in Win 8.1 and everytime when switching from 4k to FullHD in windows 7.
Do you know what part of the EDID is responsable for the UHD color and how it could be disabled?
Do you get no signal sometimes aslo?
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[quote="D-Man11"]Will the TV or GPU scale it?[/quote]
Even if the GPU or the TV would scale it to fullscreen, the 3d scanlines would not match the the FPR of the TV.
[quote="joker18"]Thank you innuendo1231b, it indeed works in 4k 3D on 55UC970. GREAT JOB
However it seems I cannot disable UHD color deepth with this EDID. Unfortunatelly until now I couldn't find a cable longer than 7.5m that can carry 4k@60hz and UHD color without artefats.
Maybe also because of the cable I get no signal sometimes when switching from FullDH to 4k in Win 8.1 and everytime when switching from 4k to FullHD in windows 7.
Do you know what part of the EDID is responsable for the UHD color and how it could be disabled?
Do you get no signal sometimes aslo?
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Here's another version. I removed some HDMI color depth specific settings from it. See if this solves it!
By the way, you MUST connect to HDMI 3 and MUST enable HDMI UHD Deep Color in your TV's picture settings. Also don't forget to label HDMI 3 for "PC", that is a must too.
My signal is stable. I tried CVT-RB timing modes too but that failed. With the preferred timings from my EDID it works stable for me.
[url]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxmDW2IVWe1pTGtJQ1hSM2EzUUk/view?usp=sharing[/url]
joker18 said:Thank you innuendo1231b, it indeed works in 4k 3D on 55UC970. GREAT JOB
However it seems I cannot disable UHD color deepth with this EDID. Unfortunatelly until now I couldn't find a cable longer than 7.5m that can carry 4k@60hz and UHD color without artefats.
Maybe also because of the cable I get no signal sometimes when switching from FullDH to 4k in Win 8.1 and everytime when switching from 4k to FullHD in windows 7.
Do you know what part of the EDID is responsable for the UHD color and how it could be disabled?
Do you get no signal sometimes aslo?
Here's another version. I removed some HDMI color depth specific settings from it. See if this solves it!
By the way, you MUST connect to HDMI 3 and MUST enable HDMI UHD Deep Color in your TV's picture settings. Also don't forget to label HDMI 3 for "PC", that is a must too.
My signal is stable. I tried CVT-RB timing modes too but that failed. With the preferred timings from my EDID it works stable for me.
Thank you! I don't know why but it seems it has the same problem.
Could you please give me your Original EDID from the TV?
I tried to get mine from(MonInfo) Monitor Asset Manager but it get's some wrong information. Did you use linux?
PS: If I could find a suitable cable everything would be easier but unfortunately it is not that easy.
Thank you! I don't know why but it seems it has the same problem.
Could you please give me your Original EDID from the TV?
I tried to get mine from(MonInfo) Monitor Asset Manager but it get's some wrong information. Did you use linux?
PS: If I could find a suitable cable everything would be easier but unfortunately it is not that easy.
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[quote="joker18"]Thank you! I don't know why but it seems it has the same problem.
Could you please give me your Original EDID from the TV?
I tried to get mine from(MonInfo) Monitor Asset Manager but it get's some wrong information. Did you use linux?
PS: If I could find a suitable cable everything would be easier but unfortunately it is not that easy. [/quote]
Cable lenght may very well be the source of your problem. Before I had this hdmi 2.0 card, I tried setting up custom resolution 30hz 4k through mini-hdmi port. With the first cable I bought, It was unstable and lost the signal like every 10 seconds... Then I bought another cable, I tried to find the best available qaulity and SHORTEST available (1.0 meter) and with that it worked well. That's the cable I use now to. A really thick & high quality hdmi cable came with the TV that the manual recommended to use for 4k 60hz and stated that longer cable leghts may not work at all (but that cable was normal hdmi and my card has mini hdmi). What card do you have btw?
You should get a high quality and very short cable to at least check if that works and to extract a proper bin format edid from your tv with moninfo (after you deleted all monitor instances form device manager to make sure that you are extracting your own tv's edid and not an edid override's edid lol..)
And if you send that to me I can make another version with that one.
I use win 8.1.
Here's the original 49UB850V inf:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxmDW2IVWe1pSmdXV0Q4UEczR2s/view?usp=sharing
joker18 said:Thank you! I don't know why but it seems it has the same problem.
Could you please give me your Original EDID from the TV?
I tried to get mine from(MonInfo) Monitor Asset Manager but it get's some wrong information. Did you use linux?
PS: If I could find a suitable cable everything would be easier but unfortunately it is not that easy.
Cable lenght may very well be the source of your problem. Before I had this hdmi 2.0 card, I tried setting up custom resolution 30hz 4k through mini-hdmi port. With the first cable I bought, It was unstable and lost the signal like every 10 seconds... Then I bought another cable, I tried to find the best available qaulity and SHORTEST available (1.0 meter) and with that it worked well. That's the cable I use now to. A really thick & high quality hdmi cable came with the TV that the manual recommended to use for 4k 60hz and stated that longer cable leghts may not work at all (but that cable was normal hdmi and my card has mini hdmi). What card do you have btw?
You should get a high quality and very short cable to at least check if that works and to extract a proper bin format edid from your tv with moninfo (after you deleted all monitor instances form device manager to make sure that you are extracting your own tv's edid and not an edid override's edid lol..)
And if you send that to me I can make another version with that one.
I use win 8.1.
Thank you!
With the orgiginal I get the same symthomps.
I exported my EDID using my laptop (GT745m) and using my gtx970 also. with the same 1m cable and the results are different. The one exported with GT745m has an extrension block and the one with gtx970 has no extension block.
Thank you!
With the orgiginal I get the same symthomps.
I exported my EDID using my laptop (GT745m) and using my gtx970 also. with the same 1m cable and the results are different. The one exported with GT745m has an extrension block and the one with gtx970 has no extension block.
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[quote="joker18"]Thank you!
With the orgiginal I get the same symthomps.
I exported my EDID using my laptop (GT745m) and using my gtx970 also. with the same 1m cable and the results are different. The one exported with GT745m has an extrension block and the one with gtx970 has no extension block.
[/quote]
Send them to me
joker18 said:Thank you!
With the orgiginal I get the same symthomps.
I exported my EDID using my laptop (GT745m) and using my gtx970 also. with the same 1m cable and the results are different. The one exported with GT745m has an extrension block and the one with gtx970 has no extension block.
wow..thank you! at last this is the first possibility for 4K-3D with 3D-Vision! maybe its time for the first 4K-TV now ;-)
i have questions:
- this solution does not need this 2-cable-hack from the beginning of this thread? only install this inf and we are ready to go?
- am i right .. gpu has to render 120 frames (3840x2160) and sends 60x2x3840x1080 over hdmi 2.0 ?
- does the inf work with any 4K-passive-TV? should be so, because the TV must not do anything with the signal (TV must not use any 3d-converting-algorithms)? will it work, for example, with the actual 2015 panasonics (eg. TX-43CXW754)
thx!!
wow..thank you! at last this is the first possibility for 4K-3D with 3D-Vision! maybe its time for the first 4K-TV now ;-)
i have questions:
- this solution does not need this 2-cable-hack from the beginning of this thread? only install this inf and we are ready to go?
- am i right .. gpu has to render 120 frames (3840x2160) and sends 60x2x3840x1080 over hdmi 2.0 ?
- does the inf work with any 4K-passive-TV? should be so, because the TV must not do anything with the signal (TV must not use any 3d-converting-algorithms)? will it work, for example, with the actual 2015 panasonics (eg. TX-43CXW754)
No need for the 2 cable hack, just use the edid overriding inf and you're good to go (you have to force this inf to your display in the device manager).
Simple 2D 3840x2160 @ 60hz signal is sent to the display, no 120hz and no 3D signal.
The display does not have to do any processing of converting, it simply displays all the pixels as it would normally.
You also have to swap the eyes after that. In registry, search for "Interleavepattern0" and "Interleavepattern1". It's inside the key "Stereo3D" Change both their values from 0x00ff00ff to 0xff00ff00 (in the modifyind window you may only see ff00ff, so just add two zeros to the end).
Unfortunately the driver will always try to reset the values so you have to deny it's permission.
right click the key "Stereo3D" -> Permissions -> ADVANCED -> click ADD -> select *something-user* (don't know how it translates, mine's in Hungarian...)
Now th important part, choose "THIS KEY ONLY", set type to DENY, show *special/advnaced-something*, and only tick "set value".
If you did everything correctly, then your eyes will not be swapped anymore but you can still save in-game convergence settings.
No need for the 2 cable hack, just use the edid overriding inf and you're good to go (you have to force this inf to your display in the device manager).
Simple 2D 3840x2160 @ 60hz signal is sent to the display, no 120hz and no 3D signal.
The display does not have to do any processing of converting, it simply displays all the pixels as it would normally.
You also have to swap the eyes after that. In registry, search for "Interleavepattern0" and "Interleavepattern1". It's inside the key "Stereo3D" Change both their values from 0x00ff00ff to 0xff00ff00 (in the modifyind window you may only see ff00ff, so just add two zeros to the end).
Unfortunately the driver will always try to reset the values so you have to deny it's permission.
right click the key "Stereo3D" -> Permissions -> ADVANCED -> click ADD -> select *something-user* (don't know how it translates, mine's in Hungarian...)
Now th important part, choose "THIS KEY ONLY", set type to DENY, show *special/advnaced-something*, and only tick "set value".
If you did everything correctly, then your eyes will not be swapped anymore but you can still save in-game convergence settings.
[quote="innuendo1231b"]If you did everything correctly, then your eyes will not be swapped anymore but you can still save in-game convergence settings.[/quote] Unfortunately, I appear to have lost the ability to save in-game convergence setting - the convergence value is simply displayed. Any thoughts about what I did wrong? Everything else appears to be working correctly. I followed [url]http://afriendlyfox.com/2013/02/04/massively-improved-nvidia-3d-vision-on-passive-3dtvs-edid-override/[/url] and [url]http://3dvision-blog.com/8483-how-to-install-edid-override-inf-monitor-drivers-in-windows-8/[/url] guidance.
Innuedo I did some extensive testing yesterday and I found out that if you export the EDID from the TV with UHD turned on it will always be on, when u apply the edid. On the other hand if you export it with UHD off it will always be off. If I think of it now it is somehow logical.
I managed to make my own edid by editing the ACER edid and adding my LG EDID as CEA extension block. I don't know if this is how you did it but this also works. And another way is changing second row +next two cells from raw data.
Thanks again for finding this.
Innuedo I did some extensive testing yesterday and I found out that if you export the EDID from the TV with UHD turned on it will always be on, when u apply the edid. On the other hand if you export it with UHD off it will always be off. If I think of it now it is somehow logical.
I managed to make my own edid by editing the ACER edid and adding my LG EDID as CEA extension block. I don't know if this is how you did it but this also works. And another way is changing second row +next two cells from raw data.
Thanks again for finding this.
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It would be cool if you guys listed out each tv you have so I can collate some data and then possibly add each EDID inf up as a backup like I did before.
http://forum.iz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5598
I would create a new thread on here to to have all EDID's up together.
Eventually I can send them to Nvidia as a 3d Vision/3DTV play request for 4K interleave support.
It would be cool if you guys listed out each tv you have so I can collate some data and then possibly add each EDID inf up as a backup like I did before.
http://forum.iz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5598
I would create a new thread on here to to have all EDID's up together.
Eventually I can send them to Nvidia as a 3d Vision/3DTV play request for 4K interleave support.
Your EDID mod worked great with my LG 55UB9500. It did not work with my passive Sony 65X900A - however, the X900A is not fully HDMI 2.0 compliant (it only supports 2160p30 3D). Note that the ghosting performance of both passive displays is similar when using 1080p60 3D and TriDef high-contrast test pattern , with the smaller LG display providing slightly better ghosting performance.
I have briefly tested Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dragon Age Inquisition, and Oddworld New n Tasty. Note that some of these games allow down-scaling to 1080p, while still displaying 3D. With this EDID mod and NVIDIA optimized for geforce 3D mode, I finally appear to be getting stable 3D rendering with Dragon Age and my Windows 8.1 system! However, I appear to be getting some type of ghosting in one eye in Alien Isolation. All other games look great. Because of the larger display size, I have disabled all in-game AA. Looks like I will have to OC my 980 as well, in an attempt to handle the higher rendering requirements.
By the way, my display screen (either Desktop or in-game) now occasionally blanks, then returns to normal display after 1-2 seconds. Anyone else notice occasional blanking with this EDID mod?
Edit: Ghosting in Alien Isolation was due to incorrect AO in-game setting. Reconfigured setup to use 980's HDMI output port instead of DVI-D output - Desktop/gaming display screens now stable. TV's HDMI UHD Deep Color mode created display artifacts in Alien Isolation, so I had to disable this display setting. Using 2 meter high-speed HDMI cable connection.
However it seems I cannot disable UHD color deepth with this EDID. Unfortunatelly until now I couldn't find a cable longer than 7.5m that can carry 4k@60hz and UHD color without artefats.
Maybe also because of the cable I get no signal sometimes when switching from FullDH to 4k in Win 8.1 and everytime when switching from 4k to FullHD in windows 7.
Do you know what part of the EDID is responsable for the UHD color and how it could be disabled?
Do you get no signal sometimes aslo?
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Even if the GPU or the TV would scale it to fullscreen, the 3d scanlines would not match the the FPR of the TV.
Here's another version. I removed some HDMI color depth specific settings from it. See if this solves it!
By the way, you MUST connect to HDMI 3 and MUST enable HDMI UHD Deep Color in your TV's picture settings. Also don't forget to label HDMI 3 for "PC", that is a must too.
My signal is stable. I tried CVT-RB timing modes too but that failed. With the preferred timings from my EDID it works stable for me.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxmDW2IVWe1pTGtJQ1hSM2EzUUk/view?usp=sharing
Could you please give me your Original EDID from the TV?
I tried to get mine from(MonInfo) Monitor Asset Manager but it get's some wrong information. Did you use linux?
PS: If I could find a suitable cable everything would be easier but unfortunately it is not that easy.
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Cable lenght may very well be the source of your problem. Before I had this hdmi 2.0 card, I tried setting up custom resolution 30hz 4k through mini-hdmi port. With the first cable I bought, It was unstable and lost the signal like every 10 seconds... Then I bought another cable, I tried to find the best available qaulity and SHORTEST available (1.0 meter) and with that it worked well. That's the cable I use now to. A really thick & high quality hdmi cable came with the TV that the manual recommended to use for 4k 60hz and stated that longer cable leghts may not work at all (but that cable was normal hdmi and my card has mini hdmi). What card do you have btw?
You should get a high quality and very short cable to at least check if that works and to extract a proper bin format edid from your tv with moninfo (after you deleted all monitor instances form device manager to make sure that you are extracting your own tv's edid and not an edid override's edid lol..)
And if you send that to me I can make another version with that one.
I use win 8.1.
Here's the original 49UB850V inf:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxmDW2IVWe1pSmdXV0Q4UEczR2s/view?usp=sharing
With the orgiginal I get the same symthomps.
I exported my EDID using my laptop (GT745m) and using my gtx970 also. with the same 1m cable and the results are different. The one exported with GT745m has an extrension block and the one with gtx970 has no extension block.
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Send them to me
i have questions:
- this solution does not need this 2-cable-hack from the beginning of this thread? only install this inf and we are ready to go?
- am i right .. gpu has to render 120 frames (3840x2160) and sends 60x2x3840x1080 over hdmi 2.0 ?
- does the inf work with any 4K-passive-TV? should be so, because the TV must not do anything with the signal (TV must not use any 3d-converting-algorithms)? will it work, for example, with the actual 2015 panasonics (eg. TX-43CXW754)
thx!!
Simple 2D 3840x2160 @ 60hz signal is sent to the display, no 120hz and no 3D signal.
The display does not have to do any processing of converting, it simply displays all the pixels as it would normally.
You also have to swap the eyes after that. In registry, search for "Interleavepattern0" and "Interleavepattern1". It's inside the key "Stereo3D" Change both their values from 0x00ff00ff to 0xff00ff00 (in the modifyind window you may only see ff00ff, so just add two zeros to the end).
Unfortunately the driver will always try to reset the values so you have to deny it's permission.
right click the key "Stereo3D" -> Permissions -> ADVANCED -> click ADD -> select *something-user* (don't know how it translates, mine's in Hungarian...)
Now th important part, choose "THIS KEY ONLY", set type to DENY, show *special/advnaced-something*, and only tick "set value".
If you did everything correctly, then your eyes will not be swapped anymore but you can still save in-game convergence settings.
I managed to make my own edid by editing the ACER edid and adding my LG EDID as CEA extension block. I don't know if this is how you did it but this also works. And another way is changing second row +next two cells from raw data.
Thanks again for finding this.
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DDR4 2x8gb 3200mhz Cl14
TV LG OLED65E6V
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Gigabyte GTX 1080Ti Aorus Extreme
DDR4 2x8gb 3200mhz Cl14
TV LG OLED65E6V
Avegant Glyph
Windows 10 64bits
http://forum.iz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=5598
I would create a new thread on here to to have all EDID's up together.
Eventually I can send them to Nvidia as a 3d Vision/3DTV play request for 4K interleave support.
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