3D vision on S27A950D
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So, apparently I just got screwed. Since it's a god damn jungle out there in the IT world, I either bought the wrong monitor, OR have to return the NVIDIA 3D kit. I can't get it to work. And apparently, there are only like 20 monitors in the world where this is supported on. (Yes, I'm a bit pissed at the moment, because I was actually looking forward to this).

I've looked a bit around the forums, and it seems like there IS a workaround to get this to work, although some people say it's not all that good.

As the title says, I have the Samsung S27A950D 27" screen. Which I actually waited for to be released. Said 3D ready, I thought, great! Now I just need the 3D vision kit from NVIDIA, and I'm set! Guess I was wrong. I am also using a DVI-D dual link cable from the PC to the monitor, but as a lot of people have probably guessed, the 3D set up does NOT recognise any 3D monitors. Which pisses me off, since it's 3D ready for christs sake!

Anyways, I would really apreciate any help in this matter, do I return the 3D vision kit? Or is it worth trying to get this to work. Is there any alternatives? I must be honest and say I thought NVIDIA 3D vision was for NVIDIA cards, and as long as the monitor supported 3D, you were good to go. But I gueses not. What else is there to do? Using GTX 570.

Thanks in advance. Still pretty frustrated.
So, apparently I just got screwed. Since it's a god damn jungle out there in the IT world, I either bought the wrong monitor, OR have to return the NVIDIA 3D kit. I can't get it to work. And apparently, there are only like 20 monitors in the world where this is supported on. (Yes, I'm a bit pissed at the moment, because I was actually looking forward to this).



I've looked a bit around the forums, and it seems like there IS a workaround to get this to work, although some people say it's not all that good.



As the title says, I have the Samsung S27A950D 27" screen. Which I actually waited for to be released. Said 3D ready, I thought, great! Now I just need the 3D vision kit from NVIDIA, and I'm set! Guess I was wrong. I am also using a DVI-D dual link cable from the PC to the monitor, but as a lot of people have probably guessed, the 3D set up does NOT recognise any 3D monitors. Which pisses me off, since it's 3D ready for christs sake!



Anyways, I would really apreciate any help in this matter, do I return the 3D vision kit? Or is it worth trying to get this to work. Is there any alternatives? I must be honest and say I thought NVIDIA 3D vision was for NVIDIA cards, and as long as the monitor supported 3D, you were good to go. But I gueses not. What else is there to do? Using GTX 570.



Thanks in advance. Still pretty frustrated.

#1
Posted 12/25/2011 11:58 AM   
So I'm gonna to save your cristmas:

From a technical standpoint, the Samsung is a 120Hz capable monitor when connected via the DVI port with a dual link cable. But for some unknown reasons nVidia does not want to offer official support for this monitor (maybe Samsung did not pay cash to nVidia or it's because the Samsung comes with own 3D glasses and also is compatible to Tridef and iZ3D drivers).
But it works perfectly with the nVidia 3D driver and maybe on a quality level like with the new 3D Vision 2 glasses and monitors. And as a bonus the monitor works with the Tridef 3D driver (either frame-sequencial for AMD or side-by-side for nVidia cards) and with the iZ3D driver (in side-by-side mode) too.

So here how to get it work with the nVidia 3D driver:

- Install a nVidia graphic driver up to 285.62 (not newer!)
- Make sure the refresh rate is set to 120 Hz in the nVidia control panel
- Make sure the monitor "response time" is set to "normal" in the monitor OSD
- Set the monitor to frame sequential 3D mode in the monitor OSD
- Use the glasses that came with the monitor rather than the nVidia glasses. The nVidia emitter just acts as a dongle to allow access of the 3D Vision stereo modes beside Discovery
- Connect the 3D Vision emitter (pyramid) and perform the 3D setup wizard in the nVidia control panel
- If available select "Generic CRT" in the Wizard. Otherwise perform it for 3D Vision Dicovery mode
- Now you should be able to select the "Generic CRT" mode in the nVidia control panel 3D settings page
- Note that in this mode left/right may be exchanged initially. Just press Ctrl-T till it is correct or use the monitor OSD swap left/right menu option

Unfortunatelly nVidia has removed generic CRT mode from later driver versions to allow only use of officially supported monitors. This also locks out all customers using legacy displays like CRTs and was the christmas gift from nVidia to long time loyal customers.

PS: I hope you read this before nVidia removes the thread. Welcome to the new fine 3D world, where money rules!
So I'm gonna to save your cristmas:



From a technical standpoint, the Samsung is a 120Hz capable monitor when connected via the DVI port with a dual link cable. But for some unknown reasons nVidia does not want to offer official support for this monitor (maybe Samsung did not pay cash to nVidia or it's because the Samsung comes with own 3D glasses and also is compatible to Tridef and iZ3D drivers).

But it works perfectly with the nVidia 3D driver and maybe on a quality level like with the new 3D Vision 2 glasses and monitors. And as a bonus the monitor works with the Tridef 3D driver (either frame-sequencial for AMD or side-by-side for nVidia cards) and with the iZ3D driver (in side-by-side mode) too.



So here how to get it work with the nVidia 3D driver:



- Install a nVidia graphic driver up to 285.62 (not newer!)

- Make sure the refresh rate is set to 120 Hz in the nVidia control panel

- Make sure the monitor "response time" is set to "normal" in the monitor OSD

- Set the monitor to frame sequential 3D mode in the monitor OSD

- Use the glasses that came with the monitor rather than the nVidia glasses. The nVidia emitter just acts as a dongle to allow access of the 3D Vision stereo modes beside Discovery

- Connect the 3D Vision emitter (pyramid) and perform the 3D setup wizard in the nVidia control panel

- If available select "Generic CRT" in the Wizard. Otherwise perform it for 3D Vision Dicovery mode

- Now you should be able to select the "Generic CRT" mode in the nVidia control panel 3D settings page

- Note that in this mode left/right may be exchanged initially. Just press Ctrl-T till it is correct or use the monitor OSD swap left/right menu option



Unfortunatelly nVidia has removed generic CRT mode from later driver versions to allow only use of officially supported monitors. This also locks out all customers using legacy displays like CRTs and was the christmas gift from nVidia to long time loyal customers.



PS: I hope you read this before nVidia removes the thread. Welcome to the new fine 3D world, where money rules!

#2
Posted 12/25/2011 01:33 PM   
[quote name='Nobsi' date='25 December 2011 - 01:33 PM' timestamp='1324819984' post='1347040']
So I'm gonna to save your cristmas:

From a technical standpoint, the Samsung is a 120Hz capable monitor when connected via the DVI port with a dual link cable. But for some unknown reasons nVidia does not want to offer official support for this monitor (maybe Samsung did not pay cash to nVidia or it's because the Samsung comes with own 3D glasses and also is compatible to Tridef and iZ3D drivers).
But it works perfectly with the nVidia 3D driver and maybe on a quality level like with the new 3D Vision 2 glasses and monitors. And as a bonus the monitor works with the Tridef 3D driver (either frame-sequencial for AMD or side-by-side for nVidia cards) and with the iZ3D driver (in side-by-side mode) too.

So here how to get it work with the nVidia 3D driver:

- Install a nVidia graphic driver up to 285.62 (not newer!)
- Make sure the refresh rate is set to 120 Hz in the nVidia control panel
- Make sure the monitor "response time" is set to "normal" in the monitor OSD
- Set the monitor to frame sequential 3D mode in the monitor OSD
- Use the glasses that came with the monitor rather than the nVidia glasses. The nVidia emitter just acts as a dongle to allow access of the 3D Vision stereo modes beside Discovery
- Connect the 3D Vision emitter (pyramid) and perform the 3D setup wizard in the nVidia control panel
- If available select "Generic CRT" in the Wizard. Otherwise perform it for 3D Vision Dicovery mode
- Now you should be able to select the "Generic CRT" mode in the nVidia control panel 3D settings page
- Note that in this mode left/right may be exchanged initially. Just press Ctrl-T till it is correct or use the monitor OSD swap left/right menu option

Unfortunatelly nVidia has removed generic CRT mode from later driver versions to allow only use of officially supported monitors. This also locks out all customers using legacy displays like CRTs and was the christmas gift from nVidia to long time loyal customers.

PS: I hope you read this before nVidia removes the thread. Welcome to the new fine 3D world, where money rules!
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Thank you very much for your answer, I have not yet tried it, but I did some of the steps already, and I can see that there were some of the settings I needed to change.

On a side note, I do believe I didn't do enough research on this subject, since I thought NVIDIA's 3D vision was for NVIDIA users, and ATI had a similar offer. But I'm starting to tihnk that's not the case. Are there even any reason for me to continue using the NVIDIA vision, or is there a better or more suited alternative for me? I mean you speak of both Tridef, and iZ3D drivers, both things I've heard before, but not really know anything about.

Is this worth the hassle, or should I just return it and look elsewhere? Thanks in advance.

Edit: So, I've tried your suggestions, but sadly it still doesn't work. I'll give you the run down.

I changed the resolution to 120hz. Apparently it was said to 1080p, where it wouldn't change to 120hz, so I changed it to what the control panel called native resolution. Also changed the response time to "normal" in the OSD. Then I ran the 3D wizard, couldn't chose generic CRT, so I had to go with the last option. Anyways, when I reach the hardware test page, I fail. What I click that I see with my eyes gives me a hardware test failed. I'm assuming I'm supposed to be seeing 3D here. I tried with both pairs of glasses, and also tried enabling the various forms of 3D in the monitor (I don't know if I'm supposed to do that or not when using NVIDIA 3D).

Also, a side question, why would you recommend the glasses that came with the monitor, and not the NVIDIA ones?
[quote name='Nobsi' date='25 December 2011 - 01:33 PM' timestamp='1324819984' post='1347040']

So I'm gonna to save your cristmas:



From a technical standpoint, the Samsung is a 120Hz capable monitor when connected via the DVI port with a dual link cable. But for some unknown reasons nVidia does not want to offer official support for this monitor (maybe Samsung did not pay cash to nVidia or it's because the Samsung comes with own 3D glasses and also is compatible to Tridef and iZ3D drivers).

But it works perfectly with the nVidia 3D driver and maybe on a quality level like with the new 3D Vision 2 glasses and monitors. And as a bonus the monitor works with the Tridef 3D driver (either frame-sequencial for AMD or side-by-side for nVidia cards) and with the iZ3D driver (in side-by-side mode) too.



So here how to get it work with the nVidia 3D driver:



- Install a nVidia graphic driver up to 285.62 (not newer!)

- Make sure the refresh rate is set to 120 Hz in the nVidia control panel

- Make sure the monitor "response time" is set to "normal" in the monitor OSD

- Set the monitor to frame sequential 3D mode in the monitor OSD

- Use the glasses that came with the monitor rather than the nVidia glasses. The nVidia emitter just acts as a dongle to allow access of the 3D Vision stereo modes beside Discovery

- Connect the 3D Vision emitter (pyramid) and perform the 3D setup wizard in the nVidia control panel

- If available select "Generic CRT" in the Wizard. Otherwise perform it for 3D Vision Dicovery mode

- Now you should be able to select the "Generic CRT" mode in the nVidia control panel 3D settings page

- Note that in this mode left/right may be exchanged initially. Just press Ctrl-T till it is correct or use the monitor OSD swap left/right menu option



Unfortunatelly nVidia has removed generic CRT mode from later driver versions to allow only use of officially supported monitors. This also locks out all customers using legacy displays like CRTs and was the christmas gift from nVidia to long time loyal customers.



PS: I hope you read this before nVidia removes the thread. Welcome to the new fine 3D world, where money rules!





Thank you very much for your answer, I have not yet tried it, but I did some of the steps already, and I can see that there were some of the settings I needed to change.



On a side note, I do believe I didn't do enough research on this subject, since I thought NVIDIA's 3D vision was for NVIDIA users, and ATI had a similar offer. But I'm starting to tihnk that's not the case. Are there even any reason for me to continue using the NVIDIA vision, or is there a better or more suited alternative for me? I mean you speak of both Tridef, and iZ3D drivers, both things I've heard before, but not really know anything about.



Is this worth the hassle, or should I just return it and look elsewhere? Thanks in advance.



Edit: So, I've tried your suggestions, but sadly it still doesn't work. I'll give you the run down.



I changed the resolution to 120hz. Apparently it was said to 1080p, where it wouldn't change to 120hz, so I changed it to what the control panel called native resolution. Also changed the response time to "normal" in the OSD. Then I ran the 3D wizard, couldn't chose generic CRT, so I had to go with the last option. Anyways, when I reach the hardware test page, I fail. What I click that I see with my eyes gives me a hardware test failed. I'm assuming I'm supposed to be seeing 3D here. I tried with both pairs of glasses, and also tried enabling the various forms of 3D in the monitor (I don't know if I'm supposed to do that or not when using NVIDIA 3D).



Also, a side question, why would you recommend the glasses that came with the monitor, and not the NVIDIA ones?

#3
Posted 12/25/2011 05:00 PM   
Unfortunately the Nvidia 3D Vision Kit is useless with that monitor. Unless a monitor is branded "[b]3D Vision[/b] (tm) Ready", it uses its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment). The one provision Nvidia makes is for 3D HDTVs, which they provide a solution for called "3DTV Play", which allows you to use 3D Vision using a 3D HDTV and its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment).

That said, Nvidia currently does not and has no plans to support the Samsung 3D desktop LCDs with either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. As you can see, Samsung now provides their own 3D hardware and effectively their own 3D solution bundling DDD software instead. To give a brief history of it all, Samsung was actually one of Nvidia's first 3D Vision partners before Samsung actually had any of their own 3D solutions. Once they started rolling out their 3D HDTVs and making their own glasses however, they clearly felt there was no longer any need to collaborate with Nvidia, and chose to go with their own proprietary solution on the desktop as well. They basically told Nvidia they don't need them anymore, and Nvidia is basically saying the same in kind (with no 3D Vision or 3DTV Play support).

There may be some unofficial workarounds to get 3D Vision to work with your display (using the Samsung glasses), but its all very hit or miss at this point.
Unfortunately the Nvidia 3D Vision Kit is useless with that monitor. Unless a monitor is branded "3D Vision (tm) Ready", it uses its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment). The one provision Nvidia makes is for 3D HDTVs, which they provide a solution for called "3DTV Play", which allows you to use 3D Vision using a 3D HDTV and its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment).



That said, Nvidia currently does not and has no plans to support the Samsung 3D desktop LCDs with either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. As you can see, Samsung now provides their own 3D hardware and effectively their own 3D solution bundling DDD software instead. To give a brief history of it all, Samsung was actually one of Nvidia's first 3D Vision partners before Samsung actually had any of their own 3D solutions. Once they started rolling out their 3D HDTVs and making their own glasses however, they clearly felt there was no longer any need to collaborate with Nvidia, and chose to go with their own proprietary solution on the desktop as well. They basically told Nvidia they don't need them anymore, and Nvidia is basically saying the same in kind (with no 3D Vision or 3DTV Play support).



There may be some unofficial workarounds to get 3D Vision to work with your display (using the Samsung glasses), but its all very hit or miss at this point.

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#4
Posted 12/25/2011 09:13 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='25 December 2011 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1324847621' post='1347128']
Unfortunately the Nvidia 3D Vision Kit is useless with that monitor. Unless a monitor is branded "[b]3D Vision[/b] (tm) Ready", it uses its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment). The one provision Nvidia makes is for 3D HDTVs, which they provide a solution for called "3DTV Play", which allows you to use 3D Vision using a 3D HDTV and its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment).

That said, Nvidia currently does not and has no plans to support the Samsung 3D desktop LCDs with either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. As you can see, Samsung now provides their own 3D hardware and effectively their own 3D solution bundling DDD software instead. To give a brief history of it all, Samsung was actually one of Nvidia's first 3D Vision partners before Samsung actually had any of their own 3D solutions. Once they started rolling out their 3D HDTVs and making their own glasses however, they clearly felt there was no longer any need to collaborate with Nvidia, and chose to go with their own proprietary solution on the desktop as well. They basically told Nvidia they don't need them anymore, and Nvidia is basically saying the same in kind (with no 3D Vision or 3DTV Play support).

There may be some unofficial workarounds to get 3D Vision to work with your display (using the Samsung glasses), but its all very hit or miss at this point.
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Thanks for the reply, and the history lesson. It does make a bit more sense then. And it sounds to me more and more like I should be returning the Nvidia kit, and just using what's meant to be used on it.
[quote name='chiz' date='25 December 2011 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1324847621' post='1347128']

Unfortunately the Nvidia 3D Vision Kit is useless with that monitor. Unless a monitor is branded "3D Vision (tm) Ready", it uses its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment). The one provision Nvidia makes is for 3D HDTVs, which they provide a solution for called "3DTV Play", which allows you to use 3D Vision using a 3D HDTV and its native 3D hardware (glasses and signaling equipment).



That said, Nvidia currently does not and has no plans to support the Samsung 3D desktop LCDs with either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. As you can see, Samsung now provides their own 3D hardware and effectively their own 3D solution bundling DDD software instead. To give a brief history of it all, Samsung was actually one of Nvidia's first 3D Vision partners before Samsung actually had any of their own 3D solutions. Once they started rolling out their 3D HDTVs and making their own glasses however, they clearly felt there was no longer any need to collaborate with Nvidia, and chose to go with their own proprietary solution on the desktop as well. They basically told Nvidia they don't need them anymore, and Nvidia is basically saying the same in kind (with no 3D Vision or 3DTV Play support).



There may be some unofficial workarounds to get 3D Vision to work with your display (using the Samsung glasses), but its all very hit or miss at this point.





Thanks for the reply, and the history lesson. It does make a bit more sense then. And it sounds to me more and more like I should be returning the Nvidia kit, and just using what's meant to be used on it.

#5
Posted 12/25/2011 09:55 PM   
I still don't get the "logic". Nvidia makes graphiccards and drivers for those. Wouldn't it be in nvidias interest to support everything available to make their cards even more attractive? May be that you have to pay for 3dtv-play if you haven't got the nvidiakit but everything should be supported and the option to use nvidiadrivers should be available.
If it's something the "new 3d" doesn't need is things being more complicated than they have to be. /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />
I still don't get the "logic". Nvidia makes graphiccards and drivers for those. Wouldn't it be in nvidias interest to support everything available to make their cards even more attractive? May be that you have to pay for 3dtv-play if you haven't got the nvidiakit but everything should be supported and the option to use nvidiadrivers should be available.

If it's something the "new 3d" doesn't need is things being more complicated than they have to be. /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />

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#6
Posted 12/25/2011 11:00 PM   
[quote name='Xzoltan' date='25 December 2011 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1324850112' post='1347138']
Thanks for the reply, and the history lesson. It does make a bit more sense then. And it sounds to me more and more like I should be returning the Nvidia kit, and just using what's meant to be used on it.
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Yep best bet is to return the 3D Vision Kit if you keep that monitor, as you'll always use the Samsung Glasses with it.

[quote name='Likay' date='25 December 2011 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1324854016' post='1347149']
I still don't get the "logic". Nvidia makes graphiccards and drivers for those. Wouldn't it be in nvidias interest to support everything available to make their cards even more attractive? May be that you have to pay for 3dtv-play if you haven't got the nvidiakit but everything should be supported and the option to use nvidiadrivers should be available.
If it's something the "new 3d" doesn't need is things being more complicated than they have to be. /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />
[/quote]
Yeah I don't know all the details but I can definitely understand the decision making process on Nvidia's behalf. On a very high level, Nvidia does support all 3D solutions on their graphics cards which is in their best interest so it doesn't lock anyone out looking to use alternative hardware and middleware solutions.

But at the same time, they have to differentiate their own products from the competitor (AMD) since middleware and hardware providers will also look to support both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. So we get 3D Vision, since that obviously does not work with AMD cards. The struggle now for Nvidia is keeping 3D Vision both exclusive and relevant at the same time as hardware makers look more and more to use their own proprietary 3D solutions instead of Nvidia's own 3D Vision.

And that's why we have 3DTV Play, because it was obvious HDTV makers did not care enough about the PC gaming market or Nvidia's solution to give them a piece of the pie by using Nvidia's hardware or software, or any logo/branding program directly, especially if that meant abandoning their own 3D eyeglass solutions. So Nvidia was forced to choose being locked out of the burgeoning 3DTV market, or to open their compatibility/support model up a bit beyond their own proprietary solutions. It was also obvious that this would serve the best interest of selling Nvidia GPUs to anyone interested in building a 3D HTPC gaming system.

What is pretty evident however is that Nvidia makes a clear distinction between the HDTV and Desktop LCD space, which is why I think they are not supporting the slew of proprietary 3D Desktop LCDs hitting the market lately, as Nvidia sees them as direct competition to their own proprietary desktop LCD 3D Vision solutions. I think this is why we don't see any support of the Playstation 3D Monitor, the newer Samsung's that use their own 3D Glasses and the older passive Acer models. I can't say I blame Nvidia here at all tbh, especially with Samsung which did support 3D Vision directly but clearly chose to go their own way.

What we've also seen however is that Nvidia is willing to give on this policy with the right considerations, as we've seen with the two new Acer passive 3D Displays that are "GeForce Optimized". I do not know if any money changes hands with this branding, or if Acer is paying some kind of licensing/certification fee, but I think its obvious that Nvidia is willing to give 3D Vision support as long as the support is paid for directly or indirectly. With 3D Vision you pay for support in the glasses, with 3DTV Play you pay the one-time licensing fee, with GeForce optimized Acer pays(???) for you and puts the price in the display itself.

In the end it is all more complicated than it maybe needs to be, but for business reasons I understand why Nvidia does it this way, and realistically, they do offer the better product for their customers (since we ultimately end up paying the costs). If you look at the overall landscape of 3D there's really no reason to buy an AMD graphics card over Nvidia for 3D, and while they would prefer you to buy one of their 3D Vision displays, they still offer the most/best choices overall within their 3D ecosystem. On top of that, we do see the direct benefits of their efforts in the form of 3D Vision Ready titles, which I don't think anyone would argue is a direct result of Nvidia's ongoing involvement and interest in 3D.

I'm sure this situation will continue to change as the landscape of 3D evolves, but in the end Nvidia will still do what's in their best interest to keep 3D Vision exclusive and relevant which may at times conflict with the end-user's desires, but I think overall you still get the better product in the end if you're using Nvidia GPUs.
[quote name='Xzoltan' date='25 December 2011 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1324850112' post='1347138']

Thanks for the reply, and the history lesson. It does make a bit more sense then. And it sounds to me more and more like I should be returning the Nvidia kit, and just using what's meant to be used on it.



Yep best bet is to return the 3D Vision Kit if you keep that monitor, as you'll always use the Samsung Glasses with it.



[quote name='Likay' date='25 December 2011 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1324854016' post='1347149']

I still don't get the "logic". Nvidia makes graphiccards and drivers for those. Wouldn't it be in nvidias interest to support everything available to make their cards even more attractive? May be that you have to pay for 3dtv-play if you haven't got the nvidiakit but everything should be supported and the option to use nvidiadrivers should be available.

If it's something the "new 3d" doesn't need is things being more complicated than they have to be. /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />



Yeah I don't know all the details but I can definitely understand the decision making process on Nvidia's behalf. On a very high level, Nvidia does support all 3D solutions on their graphics cards which is in their best interest so it doesn't lock anyone out looking to use alternative hardware and middleware solutions.



But at the same time, they have to differentiate their own products from the competitor (AMD) since middleware and hardware providers will also look to support both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. So we get 3D Vision, since that obviously does not work with AMD cards. The struggle now for Nvidia is keeping 3D Vision both exclusive and relevant at the same time as hardware makers look more and more to use their own proprietary 3D solutions instead of Nvidia's own 3D Vision.



And that's why we have 3DTV Play, because it was obvious HDTV makers did not care enough about the PC gaming market or Nvidia's solution to give them a piece of the pie by using Nvidia's hardware or software, or any logo/branding program directly, especially if that meant abandoning their own 3D eyeglass solutions. So Nvidia was forced to choose being locked out of the burgeoning 3DTV market, or to open their compatibility/support model up a bit beyond their own proprietary solutions. It was also obvious that this would serve the best interest of selling Nvidia GPUs to anyone interested in building a 3D HTPC gaming system.



What is pretty evident however is that Nvidia makes a clear distinction between the HDTV and Desktop LCD space, which is why I think they are not supporting the slew of proprietary 3D Desktop LCDs hitting the market lately, as Nvidia sees them as direct competition to their own proprietary desktop LCD 3D Vision solutions. I think this is why we don't see any support of the Playstation 3D Monitor, the newer Samsung's that use their own 3D Glasses and the older passive Acer models. I can't say I blame Nvidia here at all tbh, especially with Samsung which did support 3D Vision directly but clearly chose to go their own way.



What we've also seen however is that Nvidia is willing to give on this policy with the right considerations, as we've seen with the two new Acer passive 3D Displays that are "GeForce Optimized". I do not know if any money changes hands with this branding, or if Acer is paying some kind of licensing/certification fee, but I think its obvious that Nvidia is willing to give 3D Vision support as long as the support is paid for directly or indirectly. With 3D Vision you pay for support in the glasses, with 3DTV Play you pay the one-time licensing fee, with GeForce optimized Acer pays(???) for you and puts the price in the display itself.



In the end it is all more complicated than it maybe needs to be, but for business reasons I understand why Nvidia does it this way, and realistically, they do offer the better product for their customers (since we ultimately end up paying the costs). If you look at the overall landscape of 3D there's really no reason to buy an AMD graphics card over Nvidia for 3D, and while they would prefer you to buy one of their 3D Vision displays, they still offer the most/best choices overall within their 3D ecosystem. On top of that, we do see the direct benefits of their efforts in the form of 3D Vision Ready titles, which I don't think anyone would argue is a direct result of Nvidia's ongoing involvement and interest in 3D.



I'm sure this situation will continue to change as the landscape of 3D evolves, but in the end Nvidia will still do what's in their best interest to keep 3D Vision exclusive and relevant which may at times conflict with the end-user's desires, but I think overall you still get the better product in the end if you're using Nvidia GPUs.

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#7
Posted 12/26/2011 12:03 AM   
[quote name='chiz' date='26 December 2011 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1324857816' post='1347157']
Yep best bet is to return the 3D Vision Kit if you keep that monitor, as you'll always use the Samsung Glasses with it.
[/quote]

I have no choise but to return the 3D kit. The monitor is older, and the 14-30 days full return policy is gone by far.

As you can probably tell, I thought I knew something about 3D, which is obvious by now that I didn't, what would you recommend I do now then? I believe I had the 3D technology all along now, I just haven't been using what I've waited so desperately for in the 3D kit, that I didn't need. (Hope that make ssense). Do I need to install something now? What settings to I go for on my monitor?

Thanks so much for your help so far, and happy holidays.
[quote name='chiz' date='26 December 2011 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1324857816' post='1347157']

Yep best bet is to return the 3D Vision Kit if you keep that monitor, as you'll always use the Samsung Glasses with it.





I have no choise but to return the 3D kit. The monitor is older, and the 14-30 days full return policy is gone by far.



As you can probably tell, I thought I knew something about 3D, which is obvious by now that I didn't, what would you recommend I do now then? I believe I had the 3D technology all along now, I just haven't been using what I've waited so desperately for in the 3D kit, that I didn't need. (Hope that make ssense). Do I need to install something now? What settings to I go for on my monitor?



Thanks so much for your help so far, and happy holidays.

#8
Posted 12/26/2011 09:17 AM   
[quote]Anyways, when I reach the hardware test page, I fail. What I click that I see with my eyes gives me a hardware test failed. I'm assuming I'm supposed to be seeing 3D here. I tried with both pairs of glasses, and also tried enabling the various forms of 3D in the monitor (I don't know if I'm supposed to do that or not when using NVIDIA 3D).[/quote]

Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.

As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.

Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:

- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)
- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)
- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".
- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output
- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.
- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)

This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.

And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.
Anyways, when I reach the hardware test page, I fail. What I click that I see with my eyes gives me a hardware test failed. I'm assuming I'm supposed to be seeing 3D here. I tried with both pairs of glasses, and also tried enabling the various forms of 3D in the monitor (I don't know if I'm supposed to do that or not when using NVIDIA 3D).




Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.



As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.



Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:



- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)

- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)

- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".

- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output

- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.

- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)



This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.



And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.

#9
Posted 12/26/2011 11:34 AM   
[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1324899269' post='1347311']
Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.

As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.

Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:

- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)
- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)
- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".
- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output
- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.
- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)

This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.

And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.
[/quote]

Thanks for your reply. I seem to got it working now. I just powered through the hardware test and changed the setting in the 3D panel to generic CRT. Now just to fix all the other problems with my computer -.-

Anyways, is there a reason for me to keep this 3D kit? I mean, it's a lot of money for me, and if I'm not actually using it as intended, or can get the same experience with either Tridef or iZ3D I must admit I can't see why I should keep this. I know you said that some games won't run with every 3D available, but are there any other reasons to keep this kit from Nvidia?

Anyways, have to see why my GPU keeps overheating, and to fix my sound problem.
[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 11:34 AM' timestamp='1324899269' post='1347311']

Despite other statements I can asure you that this monitor is working beautiful with the nVidia 3D driver. My sons both own this monitor and are playing Skyrim like crazy in 3D with the nVidia driver.



As stated before you can't use the nVidia glasses with the monitor but have to use the samsung glasses. But you need the nVidia emitter as a "hardware dongle" to have access to the 3D modes of the driver.



Looking at your run down I have the following suggestions why you may have failed:



- Did you really use a nVidia driver lower or equal to 285.62. nVidia has blocked the "Generic CRT" mode in newer versions (not for technical but for commercial reasons as described above)

- Since you don't get the "Generic CRT" option in the wizard and most probably don't get 3D while running it, just try the offered options till the test succeeds (you can select the back button and just try the other options)

- Once the wizard runs through, ignore the test dia show and go to the nVidia control panel 3D page and select "Generic CRT".

- The monitor must be set to "frame sequential" mode because that is the way the nVidia driver does the 3D output

- The monitors "reponse time" to "normal" option is required to get the less possible ghosting. Ghosting level is actually quite good on this monitor.

- Don't forget to turn the Samsung glasses on and to pair the glasses with the monitor (they use RF rather than IR and are in this was far superior to the nVidia glasses). To pair, just press the button on the glasses for about 3 seconds till the pairing message appears on the monitor. (And don't forget to remove the plastic foil from the battery case.)



This all sounds much more complicated than it actually is. Once set up, all you have to do is to turn on the glasses, set the monitor to "frame sequential" and maybe activate the 3D driver repetively with Ctrl-T till left/right is assigned properly.



And don't forget: With this monitor you also have the option to use the 2 other 3D drivers (Tridef and iZ3D) in side-by-side mode. E.g. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit is not useable with nVidia 3D but runs perfectly with Tridef.





Thanks for your reply. I seem to got it working now. I just powered through the hardware test and changed the setting in the 3D panel to generic CRT. Now just to fix all the other problems with my computer -.-



Anyways, is there a reason for me to keep this 3D kit? I mean, it's a lot of money for me, and if I'm not actually using it as intended, or can get the same experience with either Tridef or iZ3D I must admit I can't see why I should keep this. I know you said that some games won't run with every 3D available, but are there any other reasons to keep this kit from Nvidia?



Anyways, have to see why my GPU keeps overheating, and to fix my sound problem.

#10
Posted 12/26/2011 02:42 PM   
The only reason to keep the 3D Kit is to keep Nvidia 3D Vision functionality using unofficial workarounds. The USB emitter serves as a "key" to unlock the CRT functionality in the drivers. There are workarounds to this, but again, it looks like Nvidia is actively looking to close these loopholes. As I said earlier, its all very hit or miss at this point.

The main differences for using 3D Vision or 3DTV Play is that in general, Nvidia's 3D driver support and overall performance in 3D is better than the competing middlewares. Nvidia's solution tends to work with more games, but DDD can have better support for specific games. iZ3D has fallen behind and is more or less irrelevant at this point unless you own iZ3D hardware already. Nvidia also supports SLI on their hardware with 3D Vision, although this may not be an important factor for you.

It sounds like the cost of the kit is the major factor for you, so I would say try the native Samsung solution and use DDD, see if the 3D is satisfactory to you in the games you play the most. Then if you feel you really need 3D Vision support with that monitor, you can maybe try looking on Ebay to see if you can get just the emitter cheap. If you return the kit, you will lose 3D Vision support (which may be on its way out anyways) and be left with DDD only, instead of having the option of both.

As for your GPU heat issues, make sure you check the fan and heatsink fins and clean it of dust if you haven't in awhile. Also, Stereo 3D will work your GPU harder and push it to the limits if you're GPU limited, so make sure you have good case ventilation.
The only reason to keep the 3D Kit is to keep Nvidia 3D Vision functionality using unofficial workarounds. The USB emitter serves as a "key" to unlock the CRT functionality in the drivers. There are workarounds to this, but again, it looks like Nvidia is actively looking to close these loopholes. As I said earlier, its all very hit or miss at this point.



The main differences for using 3D Vision or 3DTV Play is that in general, Nvidia's 3D driver support and overall performance in 3D is better than the competing middlewares. Nvidia's solution tends to work with more games, but DDD can have better support for specific games. iZ3D has fallen behind and is more or less irrelevant at this point unless you own iZ3D hardware already. Nvidia also supports SLI on their hardware with 3D Vision, although this may not be an important factor for you.



It sounds like the cost of the kit is the major factor for you, so I would say try the native Samsung solution and use DDD, see if the 3D is satisfactory to you in the games you play the most. Then if you feel you really need 3D Vision support with that monitor, you can maybe try looking on Ebay to see if you can get just the emitter cheap. If you return the kit, you will lose 3D Vision support (which may be on its way out anyways) and be left with DDD only, instead of having the option of both.



As for your GPU heat issues, make sure you check the fan and heatsink fins and clean it of dust if you haven't in awhile. Also, Stereo 3D will work your GPU harder and push it to the limits if you're GPU limited, so make sure you have good case ventilation.

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#11
Posted 12/26/2011 05:13 PM   
Well spoken, chiz.

Just want to comment that DDD = Tridef.

And I'm still using the iZ3D drivers a lot since it offers some functionality not present in the other drivers (like 3 different adjustable separation/convergence settings per game that can be switched on the fly to offer good 3D for any game situation (e.g. 3d cutscenes).

Also with the rise of the 3D Vision 2 set it's maybe a good time to get a cheap used old set on ebay just for the sake of the emitter.
Well spoken, chiz.



Just want to comment that DDD = Tridef.



And I'm still using the iZ3D drivers a lot since it offers some functionality not present in the other drivers (like 3 different adjustable separation/convergence settings per game that can be switched on the fly to offer good 3D for any game situation (e.g. 3d cutscenes).



Also with the rise of the 3D Vision 2 set it's maybe a good time to get a cheap used old set on ebay just for the sake of the emitter.

#12
Posted 12/26/2011 06:29 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='27 December 2011 - 02:13 AM' timestamp='1324919618' post='1347389']...3D Vision support (which may be on its way out anyways)...[/quote]
Sorry, I know this is a bit off topic. But I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this :)
[quote name='chiz' date='27 December 2011 - 02:13 AM' timestamp='1324919618' post='1347389']...3D Vision support (which may be on its way out anyways)...

Sorry, I know this is a bit off topic. But I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this :)

#13
Posted 12/26/2011 06:58 PM   
[quote name='miahallen' date='26 December 2011 - 10:58 AM' timestamp='1324925920' post='1347420']
Sorry, I know this is a bit off topic. But I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this :)
[/quote]

The current Beta drivers no longer have the generic CRT option, so the work around no longer works.
It's unclear if this is intentional on NVidias part or just a bug right now.
[quote name='miahallen' date='26 December 2011 - 10:58 AM' timestamp='1324925920' post='1347420']

Sorry, I know this is a bit off topic. But I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this :)





The current Beta drivers no longer have the generic CRT option, so the work around no longer works.

It's unclear if this is intentional on NVidias part or just a bug right now.
#14
Posted 12/26/2011 11:10 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='26 December 2011 - 05:13 PM' timestamp='1324919618' post='1347389']
The only reason to keep the 3D Kit is to keep Nvidia 3D Vision functionality using unofficial workarounds. The USB emitter serves as a "key" to unlock the CRT functionality in the drivers. There are workarounds to this, but again, it looks like Nvidia is actively looking to close these loopholes. As I said earlier, its all very hit or miss at this point.

The main differences for using 3D Vision or 3DTV Play is that in general, Nvidia's 3D driver support and overall performance in 3D is better than the competing middlewares. Nvidia's solution tends to work with more games, but DDD can have better support for specific games. iZ3D has fallen behind and is more or less irrelevant at this point unless you own iZ3D hardware already. Nvidia also supports SLI on their hardware with 3D Vision, although this may not be an important factor for you.

It sounds like the cost of the kit is the major factor for you, so I would say try the native Samsung solution and use DDD, see if the 3D is satisfactory to you in the games you play the most. Then if you feel you really need 3D Vision support with that monitor, you can maybe try looking on Ebay to see if you can get just the emitter cheap. If you return the kit, you will lose 3D Vision support (which may be on its way out anyways) and be left with DDD only, instead of having the option of both.

As for your GPU heat issues, make sure you check the fan and heatsink fins and clean it of dust if you haven't in awhile. Also, Stereo 3D will work your GPU harder and push it to the limits if you're GPU limited, so make sure you have good case ventilation.
[/quote]

The cost is indeed a big factor for me. I wouldn't mind paying the 175 USD for the kit, if it actually was supported for my monitor, and it had a future for me. But as you say, it might just be a matter of time before it's on it's way out, and then I will have lost the option to return the kit, and spend the money a bit wiser. So I am really thinking I'm going to return it.

But if I'm running 3D, you would suggest to crank down the settings? I mean as I said I have overheating issues already (I have no idea why), and if my video card takes a beating using 3D, my normaly high/ultra settings might just not be an option for me anymore. Which I probably would be fine with by the way. I'm using a GTX 570 at the moment, and I have really been trying to fix my cooling problems, but I just don't know what to do about it anymore. I've had to open my case just to get some cooler temps. And yes I know, this destroys the air flow, but I have been monitoring, and it seems like the temps drop when I open the case, as opposed to when it's closed. And my fans are turning the right way. I have been thinking if it's my case that's the problem. It's just a jungle out there as to what to buy for an excellent cooling system. Especially when it also has to be fairly cheap :)

[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1324924155' post='1347412']
Well spoken, chiz.

Just want to comment that DDD = Tridef.

And I'm still using the iZ3D drivers a lot since it offers some functionality not present in the other drivers (like 3 different adjustable separation/convergence settings per game that can be switched on the fly to offer good 3D for any game situation (e.g. 3d cutscenes).

Also with the rise of the 3D Vision 2 set it's maybe a good time to get a cheap used old set on ebay just for the sake of the emitter.
[/quote]

Yup, I got the reference ewith the DDD. But thanks for the clarification anywho :)

Lastly, I will probably try to get the Emitter from somewhere, as I don't think I would have a problem speding a some money on just the emitter, when that's all I need apparently.

Thanks for the suggestions guys!
[quote name='chiz' date='26 December 2011 - 05:13 PM' timestamp='1324919618' post='1347389']

The only reason to keep the 3D Kit is to keep Nvidia 3D Vision functionality using unofficial workarounds. The USB emitter serves as a "key" to unlock the CRT functionality in the drivers. There are workarounds to this, but again, it looks like Nvidia is actively looking to close these loopholes. As I said earlier, its all very hit or miss at this point.



The main differences for using 3D Vision or 3DTV Play is that in general, Nvidia's 3D driver support and overall performance in 3D is better than the competing middlewares. Nvidia's solution tends to work with more games, but DDD can have better support for specific games. iZ3D has fallen behind and is more or less irrelevant at this point unless you own iZ3D hardware already. Nvidia also supports SLI on their hardware with 3D Vision, although this may not be an important factor for you.



It sounds like the cost of the kit is the major factor for you, so I would say try the native Samsung solution and use DDD, see if the 3D is satisfactory to you in the games you play the most. Then if you feel you really need 3D Vision support with that monitor, you can maybe try looking on Ebay to see if you can get just the emitter cheap. If you return the kit, you will lose 3D Vision support (which may be on its way out anyways) and be left with DDD only, instead of having the option of both.



As for your GPU heat issues, make sure you check the fan and heatsink fins and clean it of dust if you haven't in awhile. Also, Stereo 3D will work your GPU harder and push it to the limits if you're GPU limited, so make sure you have good case ventilation.





The cost is indeed a big factor for me. I wouldn't mind paying the 175 USD for the kit, if it actually was supported for my monitor, and it had a future for me. But as you say, it might just be a matter of time before it's on it's way out, and then I will have lost the option to return the kit, and spend the money a bit wiser. So I am really thinking I'm going to return it.



But if I'm running 3D, you would suggest to crank down the settings? I mean as I said I have overheating issues already (I have no idea why), and if my video card takes a beating using 3D, my normaly high/ultra settings might just not be an option for me anymore. Which I probably would be fine with by the way. I'm using a GTX 570 at the moment, and I have really been trying to fix my cooling problems, but I just don't know what to do about it anymore. I've had to open my case just to get some cooler temps. And yes I know, this destroys the air flow, but I have been monitoring, and it seems like the temps drop when I open the case, as opposed to when it's closed. And my fans are turning the right way. I have been thinking if it's my case that's the problem. It's just a jungle out there as to what to buy for an excellent cooling system. Especially when it also has to be fairly cheap :)



[quote name='Nobsi' date='26 December 2011 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1324924155' post='1347412']

Well spoken, chiz.



Just want to comment that DDD = Tridef.



And I'm still using the iZ3D drivers a lot since it offers some functionality not present in the other drivers (like 3 different adjustable separation/convergence settings per game that can be switched on the fly to offer good 3D for any game situation (e.g. 3d cutscenes).



Also with the rise of the 3D Vision 2 set it's maybe a good time to get a cheap used old set on ebay just for the sake of the emitter.





Yup, I got the reference ewith the DDD. But thanks for the clarification anywho :)



Lastly, I will probably try to get the Emitter from somewhere, as I don't think I would have a problem speding a some money on just the emitter, when that's all I need apparently.



Thanks for the suggestions guys!

#15
Posted 12/26/2011 11:41 PM   
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