[quote name='imarun' post='1045259' date='Apr 26 2010, 02:56 AM']I have [url="http://www.amazon.com/Lifetime-Series-Pro-750W-Psu/dp/B000WJCZ84/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1272264617&sr=8-1"]LSP Pro 750W[/url] . How many amps are required on the +12V line? Could you please tell me if I this PSU is good enough? I don't want any problems in my system thats why I just want to make sure that everything is fine with my PSU before making any damages. I really appreciate if somebody can verify if this psu is good enough for one GTX 480.[/quote]
You need 42A combined on the 12V for total system power. Most any decent PSU nowadays has 80+% more of its rated wattage available on the 12V rail. That PSU is 45A...so it may just make it but then again it is an Ultra, so if you have problems that may be a good place to start. If you have a PSU with multiple rails, you need ~21A for just the 250W for the GTX 480.
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045480' date='Apr 26 2010, 12:43 PM']SIDENOTE: 3d Vision Surround Drivers should be out ANY DAY NOW !! :D[/quote]
Just curious what you're basing that off? I know the Nvidia 3DVS page says ETA: April, but last update on the 256 drivers seem to indicate perhaps May....
[quote name='ManuelG' post='1038494' date='Apr 12 2010, 10:24 AM']New drivers for the Geforce GTX 480/470 were made available last week. GTX 200 series 3D Vision Surround should be available around May or when it is finished.[/quote]
[quote name='imarun' post='1045259' date='Apr 26 2010, 02:56 AM']I have LSP Pro 750W . How many amps are required on the +12V line? Could you please tell me if I this PSU is good enough? I don't want any problems in my system thats why I just want to make sure that everything is fine with my PSU before making any damages. I really appreciate if somebody can verify if this psu is good enough for one GTX 480.
You need 42A combined on the 12V for total system power. Most any decent PSU nowadays has 80+% more of its rated wattage available on the 12V rail. That PSU is 45A...so it may just make it but then again it is an Ultra, so if you have problems that may be a good place to start. If you have a PSU with multiple rails, you need ~21A for just the 250W for the GTX 480.
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045480' date='Apr 26 2010, 12:43 PM']SIDENOTE: 3d Vision Surround Drivers should be out ANY DAY NOW !! :D
Just curious what you're basing that off? I know the Nvidia 3DVS page says ETA: April, but last update on the 256 drivers seem to indicate perhaps May....
[quote name='ManuelG' post='1038494' date='Apr 12 2010, 10:24 AM']New drivers for the Geforce GTX 480/470 were made available last week. GTX 200 series 3D Vision Surround should be available around May or when it is finished.
^ I may not be as up to date as the latest information but I was under the impression
that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045519' date='Apr 26 2010, 01:38 PM']^ I may not be as up to date as the latest information but I was under the impression
that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh[/quote]
Ya I thought you might've had a more updated bit of info indicating it might launch in the next few days. /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />
But ya it sounds like GTX 200 support of 3DVS is what's holding things up, which isn't too much of a surprise since you have the NVIO chip on those cards that add another layer of complexity to the issue and probably some of the reason Nvidia didn't support more than 2 display in SLI on older parts. In the past, you couldn't connect any display to that 2nd GT200 card while in SLI, with GTX 400s you can output over either card while in SLI up to 2 displays. So clearly GTX 400 are ready in terms of underlying hardware/technology for splitting the framebuffer and outputting over multiple displays, its just a matter of enabling it via the drivers.
I think at this point, Nvidia could release the 3DVS drivers for just for GTX 470/480 but they're actually trying to do right by their customers and holding off on delivering the feature for both their new 400 series customers and 200 series customers simultaneously as they promised months ago.
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045519' date='Apr 26 2010, 01:38 PM']^ I may not be as up to date as the latest information but I was under the impression
that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh
Ya I thought you might've had a more updated bit of info indicating it might launch in the next few days. /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />
But ya it sounds like GTX 200 support of 3DVS is what's holding things up, which isn't too much of a surprise since you have the NVIO chip on those cards that add another layer of complexity to the issue and probably some of the reason Nvidia didn't support more than 2 display in SLI on older parts. In the past, you couldn't connect any display to that 2nd GT200 card while in SLI, with GTX 400s you can output over either card while in SLI up to 2 displays. So clearly GTX 400 are ready in terms of underlying hardware/technology for splitting the framebuffer and outputting over multiple displays, its just a matter of enabling it via the drivers.
I think at this point, Nvidia could release the 3DVS drivers for just for GTX 470/480 but they're actually trying to do right by their customers and holding off on delivering the feature for both their new 400 series customers and 200 series customers simultaneously as they promised months ago.
Guys I know I ahve told a few people I plan on posting a comparison review between my previous dual 285s and my new dual 480s and I still do. I plan on providing actual numbers and whatnot as far as fps and whatnot in games actually running 3d. I am just slammed at work right now and havn't had the time to do anything with my cards other than install them. Maybe this weekend ... maybe
Guys I know I ahve told a few people I plan on posting a comparison review between my previous dual 285s and my new dual 480s and I still do. I plan on providing actual numbers and whatnot as far as fps and whatnot in games actually running 3d. I am just slammed at work right now and havn't had the time to do anything with my cards other than install them. Maybe this weekend ... maybe
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045478' date='Apr 26 2010, 12:42 PM']42 amps are required on the +12V line for the gtx 480.
I couldn't tell, does it have a 6 and 8 pin connector for the GPU ?
gtx 480 requires min. 600w psu and eats up about 250w under load.
I think this PSU will just barely barely power your 480, in time
you will probably want to consider upgrading to one that
is better quality.. but it should work for now !![/quote]
It has two 6 pin connectors which i am using for my GTX 260. There are no 8 pin PCIE connectors so I guess it is time to upgrade.
[quote name='imarun' post='1045881' date='Apr 27 2010, 05:50 AM']It has two 6 pin connectors which i am using for my GTX 260. There are no 8 pin PCIE connectors so I guess it is time to upgrade.[/quote]
Most power supplys don't come with the 8 pin pcie. I have a high end antec 850 watt unit and it only has 6 pin. Fear not, all Fermi cards come with 1 6pin to 8pin power adapter. Im running two gtx 480s with no problems.
[quote name='imarun' post='1045881' date='Apr 27 2010, 05:50 AM']It has two 6 pin connectors which i am using for my GTX 260. There are no 8 pin PCIE connectors so I guess it is time to upgrade.
Most power supplys don't come with the 8 pin pcie. I have a high end antec 850 watt unit and it only has 6 pin. Fear not, all Fermi cards come with 1 6pin to 8pin power adapter. Im running two gtx 480s with no problems.
[quote name='conan48' post='1045887' date='Apr 27 2010, 02:15 AM']Most power supplys don't come with the 8 pin pcie. I have a high end antec 850 watt unit and it only has 6 pin. Fear not, all Fermi cards come with 1 6pin to 8pin power adapter. Im running two gtx 480s with no problems.[/quote]
Thanks for your suggestions. I think i should try it first and see if gives any problems before upgrading. High end powers supplies are quite expensive.
[quote name='conan48' post='1045887' date='Apr 27 2010, 02:15 AM']Most power supplys don't come with the 8 pin pcie. I have a high end antec 850 watt unit and it only has 6 pin. Fear not, all Fermi cards come with 1 6pin to 8pin power adapter. Im running two gtx 480s with no problems.
Thanks for your suggestions. I think i should try it first and see if gives any problems before upgrading. High end powers supplies are quite expensive.
[quote name='imarun' post='1045889' date='Apr 26 2010, 10:21 PM']Thanks for your suggestions. I think i should try it first and see if gives any problems before upgrading. High end powers supplies are quite expensive.[/quote]
There was something about using those converters, they don't always work right or something, maybe somebody here knows more. For 2 cards to use with surround you will need a new power supply anyway. Look at it this way: You will keep the high-end supply forever unless it explodes or something. So in the long run it's a good investment. You can also be sure it will run your stuff with no problems instead having to always hope it will be good.
[quote name='imarun' post='1045889' date='Apr 26 2010, 10:21 PM']Thanks for your suggestions. I think i should try it first and see if gives any problems before upgrading. High end powers supplies are quite expensive.
There was something about using those converters, they don't always work right or something, maybe somebody here knows more. For 2 cards to use with surround you will need a new power supply anyway. Look at it this way: You will keep the high-end supply forever unless it explodes or something. So in the long run it's a good investment. You can also be sure it will run your stuff with no problems instead having to always hope it will be good.
[quote name='MrDonut' post='1046043' date='Apr 27 2010, 09:15 AM']There was something about using those converters, they don't always work right or something, maybe somebody here knows more. For 2 cards to use with surround you will need a new power supply anyway. Look at it this way: You will keep the high-end supply forever unless it explodes or something. So in the long run it's a good investment. You can also be sure it will run your stuff with no problems instead having to always hope it will be good.[/quote]
Well I agree now. I got my GTX 480 today and I plugged it along with GTX 260 and was hoping that may be it will work (I should have tried just 480 first) and the whole power chord connected to GTX 260 got burnt. I switched off the circuit immediately. Fortunately no harm was done to GTX 260 and any other component of the PC. So I had no choice but to get a better power supply. I immediately rushed to nearest CompUSA store and got one Ultra X4 series 1200W power supply (modular single 100 Amps 12 V rail with lots of connector). After installing new power supply things have been working fine.
I had lifetime warranty on my previous PSU from Ultra but I don't think that they will do anything about it because it was my fault that I overloaded the PSU. what do you guys think?
[quote name='MrDonut' post='1046043' date='Apr 27 2010, 09:15 AM']There was something about using those converters, they don't always work right or something, maybe somebody here knows more. For 2 cards to use with surround you will need a new power supply anyway. Look at it this way: You will keep the high-end supply forever unless it explodes or something. So in the long run it's a good investment. You can also be sure it will run your stuff with no problems instead having to always hope it will be good.
Well I agree now. I got my GTX 480 today and I plugged it along with GTX 260 and was hoping that may be it will work (I should have tried just 480 first) and the whole power chord connected to GTX 260 got burnt. I switched off the circuit immediately. Fortunately no harm was done to GTX 260 and any other component of the PC. So I had no choice but to get a better power supply. I immediately rushed to nearest CompUSA store and got one Ultra X4 series 1200W power supply (modular single 100 Amps 12 V rail with lots of connector). After installing new power supply things have been working fine.
I had lifetime warranty on my previous PSU from Ultra but I don't think that they will do anything about it because it was my fault that I overloaded the PSU. what do you guys think?
I think that they have no way of knowing that it was your fault... I would think the compuer would fail to boot, shut down or restart rather than fry... is that now how these things are designed?
I think that they have no way of knowing that it was your fault... I would think the compuer would fail to boot, shut down or restart rather than fry... is that now how these things are designed?
Not that I am going to doubt you but cords burn due to too much current running through, so it's more than strange that the lead for the 260 burnt unless you did some polarity reversal or other odd things - it happened to me once with an MSI 6800GT wihc had a Molex connectort hat wasn't reverse-plug proof >:-(0) Maybe you mangled up the 8pin CPU connetor witht he PCIe one? .... It would even be funny if the high current 480 cable would in fact "burn" even if it was too much load for your PSU. usually you can expect the power rails to collapse which will sipmply prevent boot or lead to immediate shutdown, in the worst case your PSU internally will screw up, but not inflammation of the leads....
Not that I am going to doubt you but cords burn due to too much current running through, so it's more than strange that the lead for the 260 burnt unless you did some polarity reversal or other odd things - it happened to me once with an MSI 6800GT wihc had a Molex connectort hat wasn't reverse-plug proof >:-(0) Maybe you mangled up the 8pin CPU connetor witht he PCIe one? .... It would even be funny if the high current 480 cable would in fact "burn" even if it was too much load for your PSU. usually you can expect the power rails to collapse which will sipmply prevent boot or lead to immediate shutdown, in the worst case your PSU internally will screw up, but not inflammation of the leads....
[quote name='quadrophoeniX' post='1046810' date='Apr 28 2010, 01:22 PM']Not that I am going to doubt you but cords burn due to too much current running through, so it's more than strange that the lead for the 260 burnt unless you did some polarity reversal or other odd things - it happened to me once with an MSI 6800GT wihc had a Molex connectort hat wasn't reverse-plug proof >:-(0) Maybe you mangled up the 8pin CPU connetor witht he PCIe one? .... It would even be funny if the high current 480 cable would in fact "burn" even if it was too much load for your PSU. usually you can expect the power rails to collapse which will sipmply prevent boot or lead to immediate shutdown, in the worst case your PSU internally will screw up, but not inflammation of the leads....[/quote]
I am 100% sure that I did not insert the 8 pin CPU connector to the graphics card and i just checked again to be sure. It was nothing that i did wrong. In fact GTX 260 has both 6 pin connectors and one of them got burnt. Even though I overloaded the PSU but it is supposed to shut itself down rather than burning the chords. So I guess it was probably not my fault. I would contact Ultra about it and see what they do about it.
[quote name='quadrophoeniX' post='1046810' date='Apr 28 2010, 01:22 PM']Not that I am going to doubt you but cords burn due to too much current running through, so it's more than strange that the lead for the 260 burnt unless you did some polarity reversal or other odd things - it happened to me once with an MSI 6800GT wihc had a Molex connectort hat wasn't reverse-plug proof >:-(0) Maybe you mangled up the 8pin CPU connetor witht he PCIe one? .... It would even be funny if the high current 480 cable would in fact "burn" even if it was too much load for your PSU. usually you can expect the power rails to collapse which will sipmply prevent boot or lead to immediate shutdown, in the worst case your PSU internally will screw up, but not inflammation of the leads....
I am 100% sure that I did not insert the 8 pin CPU connector to the graphics card and i just checked again to be sure. It was nothing that i did wrong. In fact GTX 260 has both 6 pin connectors and one of them got burnt. Even though I overloaded the PSU but it is supposed to shut itself down rather than burning the chords. So I guess it was probably not my fault. I would contact Ultra about it and see what they do about it.
[quote name='chiz' post='1045174' date='Apr 26 2010, 03:03 AM']Hi, much of this disappointment could've been avoided on your end with a bit of research beforehand.
1) this is a known limitation even with previous cards. SLI did not even support 2 monitors until the Big Bang 2 drivers released ~Nov 2008. One of the major reasons for excitement with regard to Nvidia Surround is because Nvidia is not only enabling 3D graphics on multiple monitors on the desktop space for the first time, they are also enabling more than 2 monitor support for 2D/desktop as well.
2) this should be a relatively painless operation, don't use the NVCP, use Windows Screen Resolution applet. Just choose your center monitor as "Primary Display". For the other two panels, choose "Extend these Displays". Once both are enabled, just drag them into position flanking the center monitor set to Primary Display. Done. Should take about 3 minutes tops.
3) again, 3D Vision Surround has not yet been released, all the reviews have stated this as has the main Nvidia page. 3DVS will not debut until the 256 series drivers.
4) what chipset/board are you using? I haven't had any issues with my X-Fi HT HD and 280 SLI or 480 SLI.
5) the Acer is TN, that Samsung is probably PVA or MVA, either way, this is another caveat emptor situation where the buyer should be aware of known product limitations.
I read a similar post here a few days ago where someone was complaining their 3-way SLI 480 rig wasn't properly supported with 3D Vision when 3-way SLI support is very clearly stated as being still in Beta. Most people would wait until the feature or product is officially launched and supported before they complained about it, rather than spend the money first.
Yep, well aware of that.[/quote]
Chiz,
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)
[quote name='chiz' post='1045174' date='Apr 26 2010, 03:03 AM']Hi, much of this disappointment could've been avoided on your end with a bit of research beforehand.
1) this is a known limitation even with previous cards. SLI did not even support 2 monitors until the Big Bang 2 drivers released ~Nov 2008. One of the major reasons for excitement with regard to Nvidia Surround is because Nvidia is not only enabling 3D graphics on multiple monitors on the desktop space for the first time, they are also enabling more than 2 monitor support for 2D/desktop as well.
2) this should be a relatively painless operation, don't use the NVCP, use Windows Screen Resolution applet. Just choose your center monitor as "Primary Display". For the other two panels, choose "Extend these Displays". Once both are enabled, just drag them into position flanking the center monitor set to Primary Display. Done. Should take about 3 minutes tops.
3) again, 3D Vision Surround has not yet been released, all the reviews have stated this as has the main Nvidia page. 3DVS will not debut until the 256 series drivers.
4) what chipset/board are you using? I haven't had any issues with my X-Fi HT HD and 280 SLI or 480 SLI.
5) the Acer is TN, that Samsung is probably PVA or MVA, either way, this is another caveat emptor situation where the buyer should be aware of known product limitations.
I read a similar post here a few days ago where someone was complaining their 3-way SLI 480 rig wasn't properly supported with 3D Vision when 3-way SLI support is very clearly stated as being still in Beta. Most people would wait until the feature or product is officially launched and supported before they complained about it, rather than spend the money first.
Yep, well aware of that.
Chiz,
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)[/quote]
Hi, glad it helped clarify some things a bit.
1) Yes they demonstrated 3D Vision Surround and Nvidia Surround at CES and CeBit, but they very clearly stated those drivers would not be released until a later date. I never said the drivers were Beta, if anything they would be in closed Beta for internal testing. What you saw at CeBit were specific applications demonstrating the technology as I'm sure Nvidia took the time to QA those titles prior to public consumption.....so simply assuming the technology is ready to be released for a wide variety of games without similar QA would be unrealistic. Nvidia never made a promise or a specific delivery date for these drivers, it was mentioned the drivers were scheduled for April, but as we've seen with GF100 delays happen.
2) Should work fine from Windows display properties, as for why Windows should rightfully be in control of this functionality, it would have to if you're running more than 1 display adapter, especially with different vendor cards like ATI + Nvidia.
3) Again, do you buy the horse first, or the carriage? The reviews all very clearly stated the 256 drivers were not ready at launch and as a result, 3D Vision Surround functionality wasn't functional. Not sure how this is unclear or deceptive.
4) EMI can certainly cause problems with any internal S/PDIF routing, you can try a better shielded cable (simply wrapping the cable in rubber sleeving or aluminum foil actually works), if you're getting clipping you can try changing your Windows audio sampling rate from 48KHz or 96KHz to 44.1KHz.
5) Actually every GD245HQ review I've seen has clearly stated 2D color/image deficiencies consistent with all TN panels. They certainly didn't claim an updated 120Hz TN would somehow solve all the known problems and inherent issues with TN panel technology. The fact you're comparing a 30 inch IPS panel that costs $1000+ to a $400 TN panel just reinforces your expectations exceed the level of effort you've put into researching these topics.
This actually reminds me a lot of the 8800GTX/Ultra launch where 3-way SLI wasn't launched until over a year after the 8800GTX was released with the rumors/hints and expecations the extra SLI connectors were for 3-way SLI. Should Nvidia have waited to release those cards until 3-way SLI was ready? Or did it make more sense to launch the cards first and then release the functionality when it was ready?
Anyways, maybe Dickens should've written "Csaba73's Great Expectations [of Nvidia]" :-)
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)
Hi, glad it helped clarify some things a bit.
1) Yes they demonstrated 3D Vision Surround and Nvidia Surround at CES and CeBit, but they very clearly stated those drivers would not be released until a later date. I never said the drivers were Beta, if anything they would be in closed Beta for internal testing. What you saw at CeBit were specific applications demonstrating the technology as I'm sure Nvidia took the time to QA those titles prior to public consumption.....so simply assuming the technology is ready to be released for a wide variety of games without similar QA would be unrealistic. Nvidia never made a promise or a specific delivery date for these drivers, it was mentioned the drivers were scheduled for April, but as we've seen with GF100 delays happen.
2) Should work fine from Windows display properties, as for why Windows should rightfully be in control of this functionality, it would have to if you're running more than 1 display adapter, especially with different vendor cards like ATI + Nvidia.
3) Again, do you buy the horse first, or the carriage? The reviews all very clearly stated the 256 drivers were not ready at launch and as a result, 3D Vision Surround functionality wasn't functional. Not sure how this is unclear or deceptive.
4) EMI can certainly cause problems with any internal S/PDIF routing, you can try a better shielded cable (simply wrapping the cable in rubber sleeving or aluminum foil actually works), if you're getting clipping you can try changing your Windows audio sampling rate from 48KHz or 96KHz to 44.1KHz.
5) Actually every GD245HQ review I've seen has clearly stated 2D color/image deficiencies consistent with all TN panels. They certainly didn't claim an updated 120Hz TN would somehow solve all the known problems and inherent issues with TN panel technology. The fact you're comparing a 30 inch IPS panel that costs $1000+ to a $400 TN panel just reinforces your expectations exceed the level of effort you've put into researching these topics.
This actually reminds me a lot of the 8800GTX/Ultra launch where 3-way SLI wasn't launched until over a year after the 8800GTX was released with the rumors/hints and expecations the extra SLI connectors were for 3-way SLI. Should Nvidia have waited to release those cards until 3-way SLI was ready? Or did it make more sense to launch the cards first and then release the functionality when it was ready?
Anyways, maybe Dickens should've written "Csaba73's Great Expectations [of Nvidia]" :-)
You need 42A combined on the 12V for total system power. Most any decent PSU nowadays has 80+% more of its rated wattage available on the 12V rail. That PSU is 45A...so it may just make it but then again it is an Ultra, so if you have problems that may be a good place to start. If you have a PSU with multiple rails, you need ~21A for just the 250W for the GTX 480.
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045480' date='Apr 26 2010, 12:43 PM']SIDENOTE: 3d Vision Surround Drivers should be out ANY DAY NOW !! :D[/quote]
Just curious what you're basing that off? I know the Nvidia 3DVS page says ETA: April, but last update on the 256 drivers seem to indicate perhaps May....
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[quote name='ManuelG' post='1038494' date='Apr 12 2010, 10:24 AM']New drivers for the Geforce GTX 480/470 were made available last week. GTX 200 series 3D Vision Surround should be available around May or when it is finished.[/quote]
You need 42A combined on the 12V for total system power. Most any decent PSU nowadays has 80+% more of its rated wattage available on the 12V rail. That PSU is 45A...so it may just make it but then again it is an Ultra, so if you have problems that may be a good place to start. If you have a PSU with multiple rails, you need ~21A for just the 250W for the GTX 480.
[quote name='dreamingawake' post='1045480' date='Apr 26 2010, 12:43 PM']SIDENOTE: 3d Vision Surround Drivers should be out ANY DAY NOW !! :D
Just curious what you're basing that off? I know the Nvidia 3DVS page says ETA: April, but last update on the 256 drivers seem to indicate perhaps May....
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[quote name='ManuelG' post='1038494' date='Apr 12 2010, 10:24 AM']New drivers for the Geforce GTX 480/470 were made available last week. GTX 200 series 3D Vision Surround should be available around May or when it is finished.
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that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh
that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh
that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh[/quote]
Ya I thought you might've had a more updated bit of info indicating it might launch in the next few days.
But ya it sounds like GTX 200 support of 3DVS is what's holding things up, which isn't too much of a surprise since you have the NVIO chip on those cards that add another layer of complexity to the issue and probably some of the reason Nvidia didn't support more than 2 display in SLI on older parts. In the past, you couldn't connect any display to that 2nd GT200 card while in SLI, with GTX 400s you can output over either card while in SLI up to 2 displays. So clearly GTX 400 are ready in terms of underlying hardware/technology for splitting the framebuffer and outputting over multiple displays, its just a matter of enabling it via the drivers.
I think at this point, Nvidia could release the 3DVS drivers for just for GTX 470/480 but they're actually trying to do right by their customers and holding off on delivering the feature for both their new 400 series customers and 200 series customers simultaneously as they promised months ago.
that 3d Vision Surround drivers would be upon us during the month of April !
If it's May now.. that doesn't surprise me. Typical Nvidia.. they aren't ready yet.. blahhhh
Ya I thought you might've had a more updated bit of info indicating it might launch in the next few days.
But ya it sounds like GTX 200 support of 3DVS is what's holding things up, which isn't too much of a surprise since you have the NVIO chip on those cards that add another layer of complexity to the issue and probably some of the reason Nvidia didn't support more than 2 display in SLI on older parts. In the past, you couldn't connect any display to that 2nd GT200 card while in SLI, with GTX 400s you can output over either card while in SLI up to 2 displays. So clearly GTX 400 are ready in terms of underlying hardware/technology for splitting the framebuffer and outputting over multiple displays, its just a matter of enabling it via the drivers.
I think at this point, Nvidia could release the 3DVS drivers for just for GTX 470/480 but they're actually trying to do right by their customers and holding off on delivering the feature for both their new 400 series customers and 200 series customers simultaneously as they promised months ago.
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I couldn't tell, does it have a 6 and 8 pin connector for the GPU ?
gtx 480 requires min. 600w psu and eats up about 250w under load.
I think this PSU will just barely barely power your 480, in time
you will probably want to consider upgrading to one that
is better quality.. but it should work for now !![/quote]
It has two 6 pin connectors which i am using for my GTX 260. There are no 8 pin PCIE connectors so I guess it is time to upgrade.
I couldn't tell, does it have a 6 and 8 pin connector for the GPU ?
gtx 480 requires min. 600w psu and eats up about 250w under load.
I think this PSU will just barely barely power your 480, in time
you will probably want to consider upgrading to one that
is better quality.. but it should work for now !!
It has two 6 pin connectors which i am using for my GTX 260. There are no 8 pin PCIE connectors so I guess it is time to upgrade.
Most power supplys don't come with the 8 pin pcie. I have a high end antec 850 watt unit and it only has 6 pin. Fear not, all Fermi cards come with 1 6pin to 8pin power adapter. Im running two gtx 480s with no problems.
Most power supplys don't come with the 8 pin pcie. I have a high end antec 850 watt unit and it only has 6 pin. Fear not, all Fermi cards come with 1 6pin to 8pin power adapter. Im running two gtx 480s with no problems.
Thanks for your suggestions. I think i should try it first and see if gives any problems before upgrading. High end powers supplies are quite expensive.
Thanks for your suggestions. I think i should try it first and see if gives any problems before upgrading. High end powers supplies are quite expensive.
There was something about using those converters, they don't always work right or something, maybe somebody here knows more. For 2 cards to use with surround you will need a new power supply anyway. Look at it this way: You will keep the high-end supply forever unless it explodes or something. So in the long run it's a good investment. You can also be sure it will run your stuff with no problems instead having to always hope it will be good.
There was something about using those converters, they don't always work right or something, maybe somebody here knows more. For 2 cards to use with surround you will need a new power supply anyway. Look at it this way: You will keep the high-end supply forever unless it explodes or something. So in the long run it's a good investment. You can also be sure it will run your stuff with no problems instead having to always hope it will be good.
Well I agree now. I got my GTX 480 today and I plugged it along with GTX 260 and was hoping that may be it will work (I should have tried just 480 first) and the whole power chord connected to GTX 260 got burnt. I switched off the circuit immediately. Fortunately no harm was done to GTX 260 and any other component of the PC. So I had no choice but to get a better power supply. I immediately rushed to nearest CompUSA store and got one Ultra X4 series 1200W power supply (modular single 100 Amps 12 V rail with lots of connector). After installing new power supply things have been working fine.
I had lifetime warranty on my previous PSU from Ultra but I don't think that they will do anything about it because it was my fault that I overloaded the PSU. what do you guys think?
Well I agree now. I got my GTX 480 today and I plugged it along with GTX 260 and was hoping that may be it will work (I should have tried just 480 first) and the whole power chord connected to GTX 260 got burnt. I switched off the circuit immediately. Fortunately no harm was done to GTX 260 and any other component of the PC. So I had no choice but to get a better power supply. I immediately rushed to nearest CompUSA store and got one Ultra X4 series 1200W power supply (modular single 100 Amps 12 V rail with lots of connector). After installing new power supply things have been working fine.
I had lifetime warranty on my previous PSU from Ultra but I don't think that they will do anything about it because it was my fault that I overloaded the PSU. what do you guys think?
Saying that... maybe it's not your fault.
Vas.
Saying that... maybe it's not your fault.
Vas.
I am 100% sure that I did not insert the 8 pin CPU connector to the graphics card and i just checked again to be sure. It was nothing that i did wrong. In fact GTX 260 has both 6 pin connectors and one of them got burnt. Even though I overloaded the PSU but it is supposed to shut itself down rather than burning the chords. So I guess it was probably not my fault. I would contact Ultra about it and see what they do about it.
I am 100% sure that I did not insert the 8 pin CPU connector to the graphics card and i just checked again to be sure. It was nothing that i did wrong. In fact GTX 260 has both 6 pin connectors and one of them got burnt. Even though I overloaded the PSU but it is supposed to shut itself down rather than burning the chords. So I guess it was probably not my fault. I would contact Ultra about it and see what they do about it.
1) this is a known limitation even with previous cards. SLI did not even support 2 monitors until the Big Bang 2 drivers released ~Nov 2008. One of the major reasons for excitement with regard to Nvidia Surround is because Nvidia is not only enabling 3D graphics on multiple monitors on the desktop space for the first time, they are also enabling more than 2 monitor support for 2D/desktop as well.
2) this should be a relatively painless operation, don't use the NVCP, use Windows Screen Resolution applet. Just choose your center monitor as "Primary Display". For the other two panels, choose "Extend these Displays". Once both are enabled, just drag them into position flanking the center monitor set to Primary Display. Done. Should take about 3 minutes tops.
3) again, 3D Vision Surround has not yet been released, all the reviews have stated this as has the main Nvidia page. 3DVS will not debut until the 256 series drivers.
4) what chipset/board are you using? I haven't had any issues with my X-Fi HT HD and 280 SLI or 480 SLI.
5) the Acer is TN, that Samsung is probably PVA or MVA, either way, this is another caveat emptor situation where the buyer should be aware of known product limitations.
I read a similar post here a few days ago where someone was complaining their 3-way SLI 480 rig wasn't properly supported with 3D Vision when 3-way SLI support is very clearly stated as being still in Beta. Most people would wait until the feature or product is officially launched and supported before they complained about it, rather than spend the money first.
Yep, well aware of that.[/quote]
Chiz,
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)
1) this is a known limitation even with previous cards. SLI did not even support 2 monitors until the Big Bang 2 drivers released ~Nov 2008. One of the major reasons for excitement with regard to Nvidia Surround is because Nvidia is not only enabling 3D graphics on multiple monitors on the desktop space for the first time, they are also enabling more than 2 monitor support for 2D/desktop as well.
2) this should be a relatively painless operation, don't use the NVCP, use Windows Screen Resolution applet. Just choose your center monitor as "Primary Display". For the other two panels, choose "Extend these Displays". Once both are enabled, just drag them into position flanking the center monitor set to Primary Display. Done. Should take about 3 minutes tops.
3) again, 3D Vision Surround has not yet been released, all the reviews have stated this as has the main Nvidia page. 3DVS will not debut until the 256 series drivers.
4) what chipset/board are you using? I haven't had any issues with my X-Fi HT HD and 280 SLI or 480 SLI.
5) the Acer is TN, that Samsung is probably PVA or MVA, either way, this is another caveat emptor situation where the buyer should be aware of known product limitations.
I read a similar post here a few days ago where someone was complaining their 3-way SLI 480 rig wasn't properly supported with 3D Vision when 3-way SLI support is very clearly stated as being still in Beta. Most people would wait until the feature or product is officially launched and supported before they complained about it, rather than spend the money first.
Yep, well aware of that.
Chiz,
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)[/quote]
Hi, glad it helped clarify some things a bit.
1) Yes they demonstrated 3D Vision Surround and Nvidia Surround at CES and CeBit, but they very clearly stated those drivers would not be released until a later date. I never said the drivers were Beta, if anything they would be in closed Beta for internal testing. What you saw at CeBit were specific applications demonstrating the technology as I'm sure Nvidia took the time to QA those titles prior to public consumption.....so simply assuming the technology is ready to be released for a wide variety of games without similar QA would be unrealistic. Nvidia never made a promise or a specific delivery date for these drivers, it was mentioned the drivers were scheduled for April, but as we've seen with GF100 delays happen.
2) Should work fine from Windows display properties, as for why Windows should rightfully be in control of this functionality, it would have to if you're running more than 1 display adapter, especially with different vendor cards like ATI + Nvidia.
3) Again, do you buy the horse first, or the carriage? The reviews all very clearly stated the 256 drivers were not ready at launch and as a result, 3D Vision Surround functionality wasn't functional. Not sure how this is unclear or deceptive.
4) EMI can certainly cause problems with any internal S/PDIF routing, you can try a better shielded cable (simply wrapping the cable in rubber sleeving or aluminum foil actually works), if you're getting clipping you can try changing your Windows audio sampling rate from 48KHz or 96KHz to 44.1KHz.
5) Actually every GD245HQ review I've seen has clearly stated 2D color/image deficiencies consistent with all TN panels. They certainly didn't claim an updated 120Hz TN would somehow solve all the known problems and inherent issues with TN panel technology. The fact you're comparing a 30 inch IPS panel that costs $1000+ to a $400 TN panel just reinforces your expectations exceed the level of effort you've put into researching these topics.
This actually reminds me a lot of the 8800GTX/Ultra launch where 3-way SLI wasn't launched until over a year after the 8800GTX was released with the rumors/hints and expecations the extra SLI connectors were for 3-way SLI. Should Nvidia have waited to release those cards until 3-way SLI was ready? Or did it make more sense to launch the cards first and then release the functionality when it was ready?
Anyways, maybe Dickens should've written "Csaba73's Great Expectations [of Nvidia]" :-)
thanks for your well researched reply. a couple of remarks:
1) it may have been a limitation of current cards, but nV has clearly shown on YouTube videos of their 3-monitor setup w- 480 and also at CES this was shown. You mention these drivers are in beta - maybe but even on the beta section of nV you will not find them. So its not a question of lack of research but a lack of keeping promises from nV but then this seems to be their modus operandi :-(
2) ok, will try - good idea (again no clue why this is not integrated into the nVidia control panel, cannot be that hard to implement a drag-and-drop of the monitors)
3) see above
4) I am on a XFX 790i ultra sli - there are known crackling-pop sound problems when using sli and creative has only partially solved this - now what I get is worse in SPFID output there is echo (no clue why) - maybe electromagnetic interference from the 480 card? Maybe I should upgrade to a Asus Xonar D2X?
5) you are clearly in the green camp - regardless of the display technology used (TN or PVP) none of the acer gd245hq reviews pointed out that a monitor in 2010 might have a worse 2d performance than a 2006 monitor. I would have expected someone to point out that in 2D this monitor lacks the colour separation as any other monitor (in fact I was in doubt between getting a LG 30inch 2560x1600 and these three monitors - the LG has much better colours and is clean in 2D, the Acer is just very fast 120Hz)
anyway, guess sam beckett should have written Waiting for nVidia :-)
Hi, glad it helped clarify some things a bit.
1) Yes they demonstrated 3D Vision Surround and Nvidia Surround at CES and CeBit, but they very clearly stated those drivers would not be released until a later date. I never said the drivers were Beta, if anything they would be in closed Beta for internal testing. What you saw at CeBit were specific applications demonstrating the technology as I'm sure Nvidia took the time to QA those titles prior to public consumption.....so simply assuming the technology is ready to be released for a wide variety of games without similar QA would be unrealistic. Nvidia never made a promise or a specific delivery date for these drivers, it was mentioned the drivers were scheduled for April, but as we've seen with GF100 delays happen.
2) Should work fine from Windows display properties, as for why Windows should rightfully be in control of this functionality, it would have to if you're running more than 1 display adapter, especially with different vendor cards like ATI + Nvidia.
3) Again, do you buy the horse first, or the carriage? The reviews all very clearly stated the 256 drivers were not ready at launch and as a result, 3D Vision Surround functionality wasn't functional. Not sure how this is unclear or deceptive.
4) EMI can certainly cause problems with any internal S/PDIF routing, you can try a better shielded cable (simply wrapping the cable in rubber sleeving or aluminum foil actually works), if you're getting clipping you can try changing your Windows audio sampling rate from 48KHz or 96KHz to 44.1KHz.
5) Actually every GD245HQ review I've seen has clearly stated 2D color/image deficiencies consistent with all TN panels. They certainly didn't claim an updated 120Hz TN would somehow solve all the known problems and inherent issues with TN panel technology. The fact you're comparing a 30 inch IPS panel that costs $1000+ to a $400 TN panel just reinforces your expectations exceed the level of effort you've put into researching these topics.
This actually reminds me a lot of the 8800GTX/Ultra launch where 3-way SLI wasn't launched until over a year after the 8800GTX was released with the rumors/hints and expecations the extra SLI connectors were for 3-way SLI. Should Nvidia have waited to release those cards until 3-way SLI was ready? Or did it make more sense to launch the cards first and then release the functionality when it was ready?
Anyways, maybe Dickens should've written "Csaba73's Great Expectations [of Nvidia]" :-)
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Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W