3D Vision supported TVs All out of production?
I've been looking for TVs lately, and saw that you can get 60"+ Mitsubishi DLPs for very reasonably prices. Previously I was going to grab a 50" plasma, but I remembered that Mitsubishi DLPs are the only TVs on the list of supported devices for 3D vision, so I checked the model numbers. All of them. The options in the 60" range are all 1 number higher on their model number... I googled EVERY model number on the support list, and while you can still grab a few at Amazon, they're deactivated/sold out permanently everywhere else. So, this brings me to my question; Does nVidia plan on updating their support page, or are these new TVs seriously not supported just because they're new and haven't been looked at yet?
I've been looking for TVs lately, and saw that you can get 60"+ Mitsubishi DLPs for very reasonably prices. Previously I was going to grab a 50" plasma, but I remembered that Mitsubishi DLPs are the only TVs on the list of supported devices for 3D vision, so I checked the model numbers. All of them. The options in the 60" range are all 1 number higher on their model number... I googled EVERY model number on the support list, and while you can still grab a few at Amazon, they're deactivated/sold out permanently everywhere else. So, this brings me to my question; Does nVidia plan on updating their support page, or are these new TVs seriously not supported just because they're new and haven't been looked at yet?

#1
Posted 04/01/2011 08:23 PM   
Don't make a decision based on nvidia's "support" list. This list is only a sub set of the TVs that are actually supported by nvidia. For example, all Samsung 2010, 2011 3DTVs work under 3D Vision, but they aren't on the list. I strongly suspect that most/all other brands also work due to the technology involved. Nvidia considers these TVs 'not supported' because they don't use nvidia glasses (they use the TV makers glasses instead).
Don't make a decision based on nvidia's "support" list. This list is only a sub set of the TVs that are actually supported by nvidia. For example, all Samsung 2010, 2011 3DTVs work under 3D Vision, but they aren't on the list. I strongly suspect that most/all other brands also work due to the technology involved. Nvidia considers these TVs 'not supported' because they don't use nvidia glasses (they use the TV makers glasses instead).

#2
Posted 04/01/2011 08:37 PM   
Most of the time if our tv is not "supported" just talk to andrew and he will ask for the EDID and will add it usually.
Most of the time if our tv is not "supported" just talk to andrew and he will ask for the EDID and will add it usually.

#3
Posted 04/01/2011 10:58 PM   
[quote name='ExcaliburXVII' date='01 April 2011 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1301689385' post='1217656']
I've been looking for TVs lately, and saw that you can get 60"+ Mitsubishi DLPs for very reasonably prices. Previously I was going to grab a 50" plasma, but I remembered that Mitsubishi DLPs are the only TVs on the list of supported devices for 3D vision, so I checked the model numbers. All of them. The options in the 60" range are all 1 number higher on their model number... I googled EVERY model number on the support list, and while you can still grab a few at Amazon, they're deactivated/sold out permanently everywhere else. So, this brings me to my question; Does nVidia plan on updating their support page, or are these new TVs seriously not supported just because they're new and haven't been looked at yet?
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I purchased my WD 60-737 from newegg last year and a few weeks later the item was deactivated from the site. My local BestBuy still has one on display (at least it was there a week ago). I think TV's are like cars- once the new model year comes out they stop producing the old one but there are some dealers who just couldnt sell them all (hence the leftovers at BestBuy). If you go to Mitsubishi's website and browse the 3D Home Cinema page you'll see that all the ones that are super cheap and not available now are at the end of the list. AKA: Old model not in production.

Of course that has nothing to do with your question... sorry just throwing that out there.
[quote name='ExcaliburXVII' date='01 April 2011 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1301689385' post='1217656']

I've been looking for TVs lately, and saw that you can get 60"+ Mitsubishi DLPs for very reasonably prices. Previously I was going to grab a 50" plasma, but I remembered that Mitsubishi DLPs are the only TVs on the list of supported devices for 3D vision, so I checked the model numbers. All of them. The options in the 60" range are all 1 number higher on their model number... I googled EVERY model number on the support list, and while you can still grab a few at Amazon, they're deactivated/sold out permanently everywhere else. So, this brings me to my question; Does nVidia plan on updating their support page, or are these new TVs seriously not supported just because they're new and haven't been looked at yet?





I purchased my WD 60-737 from newegg last year and a few weeks later the item was deactivated from the site. My local BestBuy still has one on display (at least it was there a week ago). I think TV's are like cars- once the new model year comes out they stop producing the old one but there are some dealers who just couldnt sell them all (hence the leftovers at BestBuy). If you go to Mitsubishi's website and browse the 3D Home Cinema page you'll see that all the ones that are super cheap and not available now are at the end of the list. AKA: Old model not in production.



Of course that has nothing to do with your question... sorry just throwing that out there.

#4
Posted 04/02/2011 01:58 PM   
[quote name='Thiefcat' date='01 April 2011 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1301698683' post='1217741']
Most of the time if our tv is not "supported" just talk to andrew and he will ask for the EDID and will add it usually.
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My point is that there is no reason to send Andrew EDID info because being "on the list" means nothing to the user. If you are unsure if a specific TV will work, best thing is to ask this forum if they have experience with the TV. But don't assume that not being on the list means it won't work under 3D Vision.
[quote name='Thiefcat' date='01 April 2011 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1301698683' post='1217741']

Most of the time if our tv is not "supported" just talk to andrew and he will ask for the EDID and will add it usually.



My point is that there is no reason to send Andrew EDID info because being "on the list" means nothing to the user. If you are unsure if a specific TV will work, best thing is to ask this forum if they have experience with the TV. But don't assume that not being on the list means it won't work under 3D Vision.

#5
Posted 04/02/2011 03:43 PM   
all the mits DLP will work. And i would recommend them over any hdmi 1.4a plasma. All the new HDTV's suffer from varying amounts of ghosting- DLP displays are ghost free- ghosting looks like weird shadows all over the place. Plus DLP is much cheaper. the 2011 MITS DLP are now HDMI 1.4a compatible. they have built in firmware that makes them compatible with HDMI 1.4a signal. i have no idea how they look compaired to the old ones. you will need the mits glasses for that.

If you go with the older HDMI Mitsubishi sets you will need 3d vision glasses or the Mitsubishi 3d starter kit (it depends on what you want to do and what your hardware is). there is allot of info on the AVS forums. I would double check your configuration prior to purchase- there is allot of different configurations- and i have not tested them all- only mits and 3d vision- and its hard to know everything about all the hardware.

DLP is still one of the best choices considering its price and great performance (its still the only ghost free 3dtv tech you can buy). ive seen 65" DLP's go for around 900$ new. most will agree-the bigger the better for 3d. this rule is far more important than resolution IMO. also consider Craigslist list for a used one- there are many in my area for a steal- ive seen 73 inches for for under a 1000$!!!.

the new 3d hdtv's are very expensive, compared to DLP, and have issues with ghosting and offer no increase in resolution for 3d gaming over older mits tvs. They do offer a slight increase in Image Quality(ie; dlp vs a plasma). i would recommend getting the best value for your money now- as IMO there is very few reasons to spend allot of money on the 3d display tech of this generation. wait for true 1080p HD gaming modes in the next generation before you spend lots of $$. this generation will be outdated as soon as we get 1080p 120hrz.

you could also consider a 720p 3d DLP projector. these offer a top of the line 3d gaming experience for 500$- at huge screen sizes. these are comparable to the most expensive new HDTv's for 3d gaming. for 3d gaming modes- we have checkerboard on Mitsubishi and some Samsung hdmi 1.4a 3d tv's (half resolution 1080p), 1080p24 frame packing (only 24 frames per eye- and not very good for gaming, or 720p frame-packing (HDMI 1.4a gaming mode 720 on a 1080p tv), native 720p 120hrz 3d projectors, and of course smaller 3d gaming computer monitors.

consider the fact that checkerboard is half resolutions so your computer is using up rendering power that you never get to see due checkerboard being half resolution. this might not be an issue if you have a super computer with 3 gtx 580s or something. with 720p you get all the pixels you render. leaving the additional computing power to force higher levels of anti aliasing and physX levels. you get a higher frame rate too- which makes the gaming experience better. its hard for most to grasp that 720p has many advantages for 3d gaming over half resolution gaming or non native 720p. People think most of the time more expensive displays are considered better- but until we get better display tech this is not true for 3d gaming.

checkerboard is very nice. i have it along with a projector on a 130 inch screen. I used it for years and really liked it. however, and i know it seems backwards, because surprisingly checkerboard offers around 12% more pixels- yet i prefer 720p 3d due to the bigger screen, faster frame rates,higher IQ, and ghost free 3d. the extreme fill rate and higher AA more than makes up for the lack of pixels. and the nice thing for me was no need to upgrade my computer for a long time (at least until a real 1080p projector comes out with zero ghosting). My two gtx 480s are still very fast on this setup on the most demanding games at the highest IQ settings. i prefer the projector- but i can understand why they are not for everyone- they require a large amount of space and take more effort to set up (i built a shelf for mine). also the projector adds some noise to the room. mine is about as loud as my computer- but i dont find it annoying. I use mine projector as my monitor now and i love it for surfing the web and watching netflix. 3d blue rays are a great ghost free experience also!

only you can decide whats best for your 3d set up. i hope this info helps
all the mits DLP will work. And i would recommend them over any hdmi 1.4a plasma. All the new HDTV's suffer from varying amounts of ghosting- DLP displays are ghost free- ghosting looks like weird shadows all over the place. Plus DLP is much cheaper. the 2011 MITS DLP are now HDMI 1.4a compatible. they have built in firmware that makes them compatible with HDMI 1.4a signal. i have no idea how they look compaired to the old ones. you will need the mits glasses for that.



If you go with the older HDMI Mitsubishi sets you will need 3d vision glasses or the Mitsubishi 3d starter kit (it depends on what you want to do and what your hardware is). there is allot of info on the AVS forums. I would double check your configuration prior to purchase- there is allot of different configurations- and i have not tested them all- only mits and 3d vision- and its hard to know everything about all the hardware.



DLP is still one of the best choices considering its price and great performance (its still the only ghost free 3dtv tech you can buy). ive seen 65" DLP's go for around 900$ new. most will agree-the bigger the better for 3d. this rule is far more important than resolution IMO. also consider Craigslist list for a used one- there are many in my area for a steal- ive seen 73 inches for for under a 1000$!!!.



the new 3d hdtv's are very expensive, compared to DLP, and have issues with ghosting and offer no increase in resolution for 3d gaming over older mits tvs. They do offer a slight increase in Image Quality(ie; dlp vs a plasma). i would recommend getting the best value for your money now- as IMO there is very few reasons to spend allot of money on the 3d display tech of this generation. wait for true 1080p HD gaming modes in the next generation before you spend lots of $$. this generation will be outdated as soon as we get 1080p 120hrz.



you could also consider a 720p 3d DLP projector. these offer a top of the line 3d gaming experience for 500$- at huge screen sizes. these are comparable to the most expensive new HDTv's for 3d gaming. for 3d gaming modes- we have checkerboard on Mitsubishi and some Samsung hdmi 1.4a 3d tv's (half resolution 1080p), 1080p24 frame packing (only 24 frames per eye- and not very good for gaming, or 720p frame-packing (HDMI 1.4a gaming mode 720 on a 1080p tv), native 720p 120hrz 3d projectors, and of course smaller 3d gaming computer monitors.



consider the fact that checkerboard is half resolutions so your computer is using up rendering power that you never get to see due checkerboard being half resolution. this might not be an issue if you have a super computer with 3 gtx 580s or something. with 720p you get all the pixels you render. leaving the additional computing power to force higher levels of anti aliasing and physX levels. you get a higher frame rate too- which makes the gaming experience better. its hard for most to grasp that 720p has many advantages for 3d gaming over half resolution gaming or non native 720p. People think most of the time more expensive displays are considered better- but until we get better display tech this is not true for 3d gaming.



checkerboard is very nice. i have it along with a projector on a 130 inch screen. I used it for years and really liked it. however, and i know it seems backwards, because surprisingly checkerboard offers around 12% more pixels- yet i prefer 720p 3d due to the bigger screen, faster frame rates,higher IQ, and ghost free 3d. the extreme fill rate and higher AA more than makes up for the lack of pixels. and the nice thing for me was no need to upgrade my computer for a long time (at least until a real 1080p projector comes out with zero ghosting). My two gtx 480s are still very fast on this setup on the most demanding games at the highest IQ settings. i prefer the projector- but i can understand why they are not for everyone- they require a large amount of space and take more effort to set up (i built a shelf for mine). also the projector adds some noise to the room. mine is about as loud as my computer- but i dont find it annoying. I use mine projector as my monitor now and i love it for surfing the web and watching netflix. 3d blue rays are a great ghost free experience also!



only you can decide whats best for your 3d set up. i hope this info helps

System:

Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz

Asus Rampage Extreme II

2 Ge-force 480 in SLI

GTX 295 PhysX Card

12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram

Intel SSD in RAID 0

BR RW

1000w Sony surround sound

NVIDIA 3D Vision



3d displays tested:



Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)

Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)

Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)

23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)

Samsung 65D8000

#6
Posted 04/03/2011 01:56 AM   
I need to check into our driver but I believe we still need to add a few Mitsubishi models to our 3D Vision support list.
I need to check into our driver but I believe we still need to add a few Mitsubishi models to our 3D Vision support list.

#7
Posted 04/03/2011 08:18 PM   
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='02 April 2011 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1301795763' post='1218336']
checkerboard is very nice. i have it along with a projector on a 130 inch screen. I used it for years and really liked it.[/quote]
Daniel,
On your 130" screen, what is the actual image size (diagonal measure)? Does the brightness go down with increasing size? If so, then size is a tradeoff vs brightness so what do you consider the 'sweet spot'?
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='02 April 2011 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1301795763' post='1218336']

checkerboard is very nice. i have it along with a projector on a 130 inch screen. I used it for years and really liked it.

Daniel,

On your 130" screen, what is the actual image size (diagonal measure)? Does the brightness go down with increasing size? If so, then size is a tradeoff vs brightness so what do you consider the 'sweet spot'?

#8
Posted 04/03/2011 08:44 PM   
Ah, thanks everyone. When I decide what I should go with, I'll bump this post for some advice.
Ah, thanks everyone. When I decide what I should go with, I'll bump this post for some advice.

#9
Posted 04/05/2011 12:04 AM   
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