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Resident Evil 5 is gorgeous in S3D even without convergence, it feels like CG. I'm playing it for hours and loving it... I played PS3 version all the way to the end and the PC version + S3D just CRUSH PS3 version.
Resident Evil 5 is gorgeous in S3D even without convergence, it feels like CG. I'm playing it for hours and loving it... I played PS3 version all the way to the end and the PC version + S3D just CRUSH PS3 version.

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#46
Posted 09/15/2009 03:46 AM   
[quote name='iOnic' post='588059' date='Sep 14 2009, 09:46 PM']Resident Evil 5 is gorgeous in S3D even without convergence, it feels like CG. I'm playing it for hours and loving it... I played PS3 version all the way to the end and the PC version + S3D just CRUSH PS3 version.[/quote]


Totally, it looks simply jaw dropping in 3d on the PC. /yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />
[quote name='iOnic' post='588059' date='Sep 14 2009, 09:46 PM']Resident Evil 5 is gorgeous in S3D even without convergence, it feels like CG. I'm playing it for hours and loving it... I played PS3 version all the way to the end and the PC version + S3D just CRUSH PS3 version.





Totally, it looks simply jaw dropping in 3d on the PC. /yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />

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#47
Posted 09/15/2009 04:17 AM   
It does look fantastic in 3D now that I've seen it, though I still didn't notice any popout effects =/
It does look fantastic in 3D now that I've seen it, though I still didn't notice any popout effects =/

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#48
Posted 09/15/2009 04:53 AM   
double post
double post

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#49
Posted 09/15/2009 04:53 AM   
[quote name='pahncrd' post='588029' date='Sep 15 2009, 03:26 AM']Have you guys actually played it all of the way through?.. come on now. The game is [i]still[/i] gorgeous and runs at a really nice clip. It isn't an [i]epic[/i] fail... I don't think even a normal fail... it just isn't perfect, but it is still better looking than most games out there in 3d and it is a damned fine looking game anyway. I think there is a little overreacting being done. Do I think they should allow convergence setting? Of course Do I think they could have had more out of the screen effects? Yeah of course. However, it still looks great and plays well, so I am enjoying my investment in the game.[/quote]


So does Batman and Burnout, AOE3 etc. I want what was [b]promised[/b]. And yes I have the game and I played it, the depth is also a little screwed up, because if u turn it up then u get ghosting on the characters, and that kinda makes the experience worse. Ofcourse u can turn depth down, but then it feels like playing a 2D game /blarg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':/' /> This could easily be avoided with convergence.

If there is popout effect only in the cut scenes (I didnt see _any_ in the 2½ hours i have played), why not just switch over to default settings and then when playing the game, switch over to what ever the user have specified. That shoudlnt be hard to implement.

When u have already played the game and finished on the console, its just no use for me. Sure it has very good graphics, but the gameplay is almost identical to the console versions. I was hoping for he S3D effects to give a whole new exprience to the game, instead it didnt.

This should be the showcase for 3d vision and push nvidia 3d vision sales up but its disapointing - so yes its Epic fail.
[quote name='pahncrd' post='588029' date='Sep 15 2009, 03:26 AM']Have you guys actually played it all of the way through?.. come on now. The game is still gorgeous and runs at a really nice clip. It isn't an epic fail... I don't think even a normal fail... it just isn't perfect, but it is still better looking than most games out there in 3d and it is a damned fine looking game anyway. I think there is a little overreacting being done. Do I think they should allow convergence setting? Of course Do I think they could have had more out of the screen effects? Yeah of course. However, it still looks great and plays well, so I am enjoying my investment in the game.





So does Batman and Burnout, AOE3 etc. I want what was promised. And yes I have the game and I played it, the depth is also a little screwed up, because if u turn it up then u get ghosting on the characters, and that kinda makes the experience worse. Ofcourse u can turn depth down, but then it feels like playing a 2D game /blarg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':/' /> This could easily be avoided with convergence.



If there is popout effect only in the cut scenes (I didnt see _any_ in the 2½ hours i have played), why not just switch over to default settings and then when playing the game, switch over to what ever the user have specified. That shoudlnt be hard to implement.



When u have already played the game and finished on the console, its just no use for me. Sure it has very good graphics, but the gameplay is almost identical to the console versions. I was hoping for he S3D effects to give a whole new exprience to the game, instead it didnt.



This should be the showcase for 3d vision and push nvidia 3d vision sales up but its disapointing - so yes its Epic fail.

#50
Posted 09/15/2009 08:34 AM   
[quote name='Caper70' post='588015' date='Sep 15 2009, 12:56 AM'][url="http://shop.capcom.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayProductDetailsPage&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=capcomus&productID=147814000"]http://shop.capcom.com/servlet/ControllerS...uctID=147814000[/url]

clearly something is wrong if we are reporting NO popout. And correct me if Im wrong but true popout is related to the coding of the game. You can make some things popout by screwing with convergence but that is not true popout. I believe that WOW was adjusted to have real popout. They are ADVERTISING this game as true 3d.[/quote]

I don't know what is the difference between "real" popout and the one You can get by adjusting the convergence settings. In my experience the area that convergence is focused on (so not doubled if You look at it without the glasses) is displayed at the level of the monitor’s surface. So everything that is placed in the game in front of this focus will pop out.
Here an example of a non 3D ready game (Sailsimulator 5) that is definitely not coded for 3DV. But by simply adjusting the convergence You can get these effects (see attached picture! the convergence is focused on the level of the water surface).
May be that this not "true" popout - but to me it is better than all the things I've seen in the RE5 benchmark test. As there is no focus of convergence to see in these RE5 scenes (everything doubled) I think the convergence is locked to a value so that everything is placed behind the monitor level. So there are no popouts. And You can't "produce" any popouts by Yourself as the convergence is locked... :angry:

To me the benefits of RE5 are that the developers avoided effects (certain post effects, shadows, 2D HUDs,…) that are not compatible with 3DV. So RE5 is still a game that is better than other games with these disturbing effects.
By locking the convergence they perhaps wanted to make sure that there is always a "comfortable" 3D experience from the beginning to the end of the game. By this way the game is guaranteed completely „3d ready“. But they went too far with this decision as they crippled the possibilities of generating popouts and reducing ghosting effects by the player. So to me this game falls behind many other games that are not 3D ready but offer much more impressive 3D effects.
RE5 may impress and completely satisfy S3D newbies without confusing them by disturbing convergence settings. And it annoys the experienced users. But who cares about them? It's the common trend towards casual gaming. "Don't make it too demanding..."
The game is certainly good – but playing it with the knowledge in mind that it could have been excellent (as promised before!) would make it unenjoyable to me. After starting the benchmark test for the first time it took about half a minute until I thought “convergence could be better” and grabbed for the hotkeys. As I realsized that they didn’t work the game was ruined for me. Human mind is a strange thing… ;)

Uploading doesn't work at the moment, so the picture is here: [url="http://uploaded.to/file/nv89or"]http://uploaded.to/file/nv89or[/url]
[quote name='Caper70' post='588015' date='Sep 15 2009, 12:56 AM']http://shop.capcom.com/servlet/ControllerS...uctID=147814000



clearly something is wrong if we are reporting NO popout. And correct me if Im wrong but true popout is related to the coding of the game. You can make some things popout by screwing with convergence but that is not true popout. I believe that WOW was adjusted to have real popout. They are ADVERTISING this game as true 3d.



I don't know what is the difference between "real" popout and the one You can get by adjusting the convergence settings. In my experience the area that convergence is focused on (so not doubled if You look at it without the glasses) is displayed at the level of the monitor’s surface. So everything that is placed in the game in front of this focus will pop out.

Here an example of a non 3D ready game (Sailsimulator 5) that is definitely not coded for 3DV. But by simply adjusting the convergence You can get these effects (see attached picture! the convergence is focused on the level of the water surface).

May be that this not "true" popout - but to me it is better than all the things I've seen in the RE5 benchmark test. As there is no focus of convergence to see in these RE5 scenes (everything doubled) I think the convergence is locked to a value so that everything is placed behind the monitor level. So there are no popouts. And You can't "produce" any popouts by Yourself as the convergence is locked... :angry:



To me the benefits of RE5 are that the developers avoided effects (certain post effects, shadows, 2D HUDs,…) that are not compatible with 3DV. So RE5 is still a game that is better than other games with these disturbing effects.

By locking the convergence they perhaps wanted to make sure that there is always a "comfortable" 3D experience from the beginning to the end of the game. By this way the game is guaranteed completely „3d ready“. But they went too far with this decision as they crippled the possibilities of generating popouts and reducing ghosting effects by the player. So to me this game falls behind many other games that are not 3D ready but offer much more impressive 3D effects.

RE5 may impress and completely satisfy S3D newbies without confusing them by disturbing convergence settings. And it annoys the experienced users. But who cares about them? It's the common trend towards casual gaming. "Don't make it too demanding..."

The game is certainly good – but playing it with the knowledge in mind that it could have been excellent (as promised before!) would make it unenjoyable to me. After starting the benchmark test for the first time it took about half a minute until I thought “convergence could be better” and grabbed for the hotkeys. As I realsized that they didn’t work the game was ruined for me. Human mind is a strange thing… ;)



Uploading doesn't work at the moment, so the picture is here: http://uploaded.to/file/nv89or

My original display name is 3d4dd - for some reason Nvidia changed it..?!

#51
Posted 09/15/2009 08:37 AM   
[quote name='r4yburn' post='588127' date='Sep 15 2009, 02:34 AM']So does Batman and Burnout, AOE3 etc. I want what was [b]promised[/b]. And yes I have the game and I played it, the depth is also a little screwed up, because if u turn it up then u get ghosting on the characters, and that kinda makes the experience worse. Ofcourse u can turn depth down, but then it feels like playing a 2D game /blarg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':/' /> This could easily be avoided with convergence.

If there is popout effect only in the cut scenes (I didnt see _any_ in the 2½ hours i have played), why not just switch over to default settings and then when playing the game, switch over to what ever the user have specified. That shoudlnt be hard to implement.

When u have already played the game and finished on the console, its just no use for me. Sure it has very good graphics, but the gameplay is almost identical to the console versions. I was hoping for he S3D effects to give a whole new exprience to the game, instead it didnt.

This should be the showcase for 3d vision and push nvidia 3d vision sales up but its disapointing - so yes its Epic fail.[/quote]


Have you voiced your concerns with nV and Capcom?
[quote name='r4yburn' post='588127' date='Sep 15 2009, 02:34 AM']So does Batman and Burnout, AOE3 etc. I want what was promised. And yes I have the game and I played it, the depth is also a little screwed up, because if u turn it up then u get ghosting on the characters, and that kinda makes the experience worse. Ofcourse u can turn depth down, but then it feels like playing a 2D game /blarg.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':/' /> This could easily be avoided with convergence.



If there is popout effect only in the cut scenes (I didnt see _any_ in the 2½ hours i have played), why not just switch over to default settings and then when playing the game, switch over to what ever the user have specified. That shoudlnt be hard to implement.



When u have already played the game and finished on the console, its just no use for me. Sure it has very good graphics, but the gameplay is almost identical to the console versions. I was hoping for he S3D effects to give a whole new exprience to the game, instead it didnt.



This should be the showcase for 3d vision and push nvidia 3d vision sales up but its disapointing - so yes its Epic fail.





Have you voiced your concerns with nV and Capcom?

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

--Robert A. Heinlein

#52
Posted 09/15/2009 01:13 PM   
Time will tell with the whole pop out debate...

who knows maybe there waiting on a $#!@ing patch or a lame driver update

nvidia really isn't to good at marketing , if they just listened to the forums they have they would whoop ati sales easily
Time will tell with the whole pop out debate...



who knows maybe there waiting on a $#!@ing patch or a lame driver update



nvidia really isn't to good at marketing , if they just listened to the forums they have they would whoop ati sales easily

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#53
Posted 09/15/2009 03:51 PM   
[quote name='pahncrd' post='588222' date='Sep 15 2009, 03:13 PM']Have you voiced your concerns with nV and Capcom?[/quote]

No I havent, but I might do that, if they dont do anything about it. I hope my/our voices will be heard through this forums.


[quote name='nhoj333' post='588277' date='Sep 15 2009, 05:51 PM']Time will tell with the whole pop out debate...

who knows maybe there waiting on a $#!@ing patch or a lame driver update

nvidia really isn't to good at marketing , if they just listened to the forums they have they would whoop ati sales easily[/quote]

Yes, this is also why I havent contacted nV or capcom, since I believe there will be released a new nV driver eventually, hopefully to fix these problems.
[quote name='pahncrd' post='588222' date='Sep 15 2009, 03:13 PM']Have you voiced your concerns with nV and Capcom?



No I havent, but I might do that, if they dont do anything about it. I hope my/our voices will be heard through this forums.





[quote name='nhoj333' post='588277' date='Sep 15 2009, 05:51 PM']Time will tell with the whole pop out debate...



who knows maybe there waiting on a $#!@ing patch or a lame driver update



nvidia really isn't to good at marketing , if they just listened to the forums they have they would whoop ati sales easily



Yes, this is also why I havent contacted nV or capcom, since I believe there will be released a new nV driver eventually, hopefully to fix these problems.

#54
Posted 09/15/2009 06:17 PM   
The EPIC FAIL.. is lol and how can anyone miss this.. your posting in "GeForce 3D Vision".. is

There is no POP OUT! Yes the game looks great.. but thats NOT what people are talking about. Ctrl+f5-f6 blah blah are the 1st thing I go for.

Looks like all they did was tune it so there was no shadow and crap like that and say 3D Ready!.
The EPIC FAIL.. is lol and how can anyone miss this.. your posting in "GeForce 3D Vision".. is



There is no POP OUT! Yes the game looks great.. but thats NOT what people are talking about. Ctrl+f5-f6 blah blah are the 1st thing I go for.



Looks like all they did was tune it so there was no shadow and crap like that and say 3D Ready!.

#55
Posted 09/15/2009 06:33 PM   
[quote name='r4yburn' post='588319' date='Sep 15 2009, 12:17 PM']No I havent, but I might do that, if they dont do anything about it. I hope my/our voices will be heard through this forums.[/quote]


This is a user to user forum. >.<

In any case, I reported the issue and I have been escalated to higher support. I showed the tech support people the thread and they started passing up higher. Hopefully I can get some answers.

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[quote name='r4yburn' post='588319' date='Sep 15 2009, 12:17 PM']No I havent, but I might do that, if they dont do anything about it. I hope my/our voices will be heard through this forums.





This is a user to user forum. >.<



In any case, I reported the issue and I have been escalated to higher support. I showed the tech support people the thread and they started passing up higher. Hopefully I can get some answers.



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#56
Posted 09/15/2009 06:45 PM   
[quote name='pahncrd' post='588325' date='Sep 15 2009, 08:45 PM']This is a user to user forum. >.<[/quote]

I know that, but I have seen Andrew from nV checking the forums. Thats what I meant about it.

Well yea, its good thing u contacted them. Hopefully this will get solved :-)

btw. cool youtube vid, hilarious.
[quote name='pahncrd' post='588325' date='Sep 15 2009, 08:45 PM']This is a user to user forum. >.<



I know that, but I have seen Andrew from nV checking the forums. Thats what I meant about it.



Well yea, its good thing u contacted them. Hopefully this will get solved :-)



btw. cool youtube vid, hilarious.

#57
Posted 09/15/2009 07:20 PM   
[quote name='r4yburn' post='588338' date='Sep 15 2009, 01:20 PM']I know that, but I have seen Andrew from nV checking the forums. Thats what I meant about it.

Well yea, its good thing u contacted them. Hopefully this will get solved :-)

btw. cool youtube vid, hilarious.[/quote]

Yeah, but if we put half the effort into actually contacting nV and Capcom that we spend complaining to each other then we might get somewhere.
I honestly don't think Andrew can do much for us, that is, I haven't seen him effect 3d vision in any way after addressing our complaints.
Besides, I haven't seen him around anyway, but I suppose he could be lurking.
[quote name='r4yburn' post='588338' date='Sep 15 2009, 01:20 PM']I know that, but I have seen Andrew from nV checking the forums. Thats what I meant about it.



Well yea, its good thing u contacted them. Hopefully this will get solved :-)



btw. cool youtube vid, hilarious.



Yeah, but if we put half the effort into actually contacting nV and Capcom that we spend complaining to each other then we might get somewhere.

I honestly don't think Andrew can do much for us, that is, I haven't seen him effect 3d vision in any way after addressing our complaints.

Besides, I haven't seen him around anyway, but I suppose he could be lurking.

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

--Robert A. Heinlein

#58
Posted 09/15/2009 07:28 PM   
i sent my email to Nvidia , have you?!!!!
i sent my email to Nvidia , have you?!!!!

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#59
Posted 09/15/2009 07:31 PM   
[quote name='nhoj333' post='588343' date='Sep 15 2009, 01:31 PM']i sent my email to Nvidia , have you?!!!![/quote]

Hell yeah! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

Now everyone else get on it. We should whine at them like we have never whined before. (!)
[quote name='nhoj333' post='588343' date='Sep 15 2009, 01:31 PM']i sent my email to Nvidia , have you?!!!!



Hell yeah! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />



Now everyone else get on it. We should whine at them like we have never whined before. (!)

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

--Robert A. Heinlein

#60
Posted 09/15/2009 07:42 PM   
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