To 3D or not to 3D... Questions and concerns...
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Hello everyone, i'm rather new to this 3D tech i've been hearing for the past few years, and i have quite a few questions for you guys that have had experience with it.

I've been reading quite a bit about nVidia 3D Vision and i hate to say it but i'm torn about this upgrade, recently my 30" samsung started giving me problems and they were nice enough to refund what i paid 2 years and 10 months ago. I really like the idea behind 3D gaming and i'm very tempted, but i am also very concerned that major issues with nVidia's software will give me more headache than i'd like to have. I keep asking myself the following questions but i would really like to hear your opinion on the matter.

Do you guys think the pro's outweighs the con's at this point?
Would i be better off waiting for the 27" screens to be released?
Should i keep my 2x 480 or upgrade to the 590?
If i do keep the the SLI, am i risking a lot of stability?
Asus or Acer for the monitor(s)?
No openGL? Really?

I'm sorry for the wall of text and the agony you went through while reading this, but i appreciate your time and response. Thanks again.

For information's sake:
EVGA X58 SLI Classified
Intel 920 @ 4.6GHz
2x EVGA GTX 480 SC
6GB Dominator 2000MHz
1300W Tagan BZ PSU
Raid 0 Velociraptors

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Hello everyone, i'm rather new to this 3D tech i've been hearing for the past few years, and i have quite a few questions for you guys that have had experience with it.



I've been reading quite a bit about nVidia 3D Vision and i hate to say it but i'm torn about this upgrade, recently my 30" samsung started giving me problems and they were nice enough to refund what i paid 2 years and 10 months ago. I really like the idea behind 3D gaming and i'm very tempted, but i am also very concerned that major issues with nVidia's software will give me more headache than i'd like to have. I keep asking myself the following questions but i would really like to hear your opinion on the matter.



Do you guys think the pro's outweighs the con's at this point?

Would i be better off waiting for the 27" screens to be released?

Should i keep my 2x 480 or upgrade to the 590?

If i do keep the the SLI, am i risking a lot of stability?

Asus or Acer for the monitor(s)?

No openGL? Really?



I'm sorry for the wall of text and the agony you went through while reading this, but i appreciate your time and response. Thanks again.



For information's sake:

EVGA X58 SLI Classified

Intel 920 @ 4.6GHz

2x EVGA GTX 480 SC

6GB Dominator 2000MHz

1300W Tagan BZ PSU

Raid 0 Velociraptors



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#1
Posted 03/27/2011 06:57 AM   
[i][u]Would i be better off waiting for the 27" screens to be released?[/u][/i] maybe, depends on what you like...,but if you want to go 3dsurround later,then it might be to big...go for quality not quantity.
[i][u]Should i keep my 2x 480 or upgrade to the 590? [/u][/i]Yes...,it's as fast as the 590 with 3dvision.
[i][u]If i do keep the the SLI, am i risking a lot of stability? [/u][/i]Not with the right drivers,I haven't got any major problems so far...
[i][u]Asus or Acer for the monitor(s)? [/u][/i]Or..Planar ?
[i][u]No openGL? Really?[/u][/i] I think there's a fix for that if you really want this,but there aren't many game written in open gl that are worth 3d in my opinion.
So many bueatifull games at the moment that work in 3d,you will have not the time to try the opengl's ...lol
Would i be better off waiting for the 27" screens to be released? maybe, depends on what you like...,but if you want to go 3dsurround later,then it might be to big...go for quality not quantity.

Should i keep my 2x 480 or upgrade to the 590? Yes...,it's as fast as the 590 with 3dvision.

If i do keep the the SLI, am i risking a lot of stability? Not with the right drivers,I haven't got any major problems so far...

Asus or Acer for the monitor(s)? Or..Planar ?

No openGL? Really? I think there's a fix for that if you really want this,but there aren't many game written in open gl that are worth 3d in my opinion.

So many bueatifull games at the moment that work in 3d,you will have not the time to try the opengl's ...lol

Intel I7 3820 3.8 Ghz,MSI MS7760 Motherboard, 6GB )2x MSI GTX670 (SLI),OCZ Vertex 230Gb SSD,OCZ Agility 120Gb SSD, Asus 3D VG278HR ,Optoma HD67 3D DLP Beamer with 95inch 2.5 gain screen.

#2
Posted 03/27/2011 10:23 AM   
The gtx590 has very poor AC charateristics vs the gtx480s, so you'll do better with 2x gtx480. Even if the extra 590's CUDA cores offset the inferior AC performance, you'll be looking at the same performance so why bother? Wait for Kepler and get a substantial improvement which you'll definitely need as 3D knocks the performance down by 40-60% vs 2D.

With 3D, it's all about emmersion and that means 50" is a minimum. The biggest monitor is teeny tiny 27", so you can do much better with a full sized HDTV.
The gtx590 has very poor AC charateristics vs the gtx480s, so you'll do better with 2x gtx480. Even if the extra 590's CUDA cores offset the inferior AC performance, you'll be looking at the same performance so why bother? Wait for Kepler and get a substantial improvement which you'll definitely need as 3D knocks the performance down by 40-60% vs 2D.



With 3D, it's all about emmersion and that means 50" is a minimum. The biggest monitor is teeny tiny 27", so you can do much better with a full sized HDTV.

#3
Posted 03/27/2011 03:30 PM   
ROFL!! 50" is the minimum if you're sitting six feet away, maybe. From two feet away, you'll have to turn your head to see the corners, which messes with the 3D effect.

I've only got a single 480 and it has been more than enough. Upgrading to a 590 from two 480s sounds really pointless to me - though it does depend somewhat on what games you are playing. 1st person shooters have a lot more need for frames per second than role playing games. Still, I'm thinking CPU upgrade before a video card upgrade for you.

No OpenGL. Really. I guess there just weren't enough games to justify the cost of keeping that working in 3D Vision.

I would suggest poking around on Bloody's [url=http://3dvision-blog.com/]Blog{/url] for monitor information. He's been writing supurb reviews lately!

P.S. A *full* refund after almost 3 years!? That's amazing! Kudos to Samsung!
ROFL!! 50" is the minimum if you're sitting six feet away, maybe. From two feet away, you'll have to turn your head to see the corners, which messes with the 3D effect.



I've only got a single 480 and it has been more than enough. Upgrading to a 590 from two 480s sounds really pointless to me - though it does depend somewhat on what games you are playing. 1st person shooters have a lot more need for frames per second than role playing games. Still, I'm thinking CPU upgrade before a video card upgrade for you.



No OpenGL. Really. I guess there just weren't enough games to justify the cost of keeping that working in 3D Vision.



I would suggest poking around on Bloody's [url=http://3dvision-blog.com/]Blog{/url] for monitor information. He's been writing supurb reviews lately!



P.S. A *full* refund after almost 3 years!? That's amazing! Kudos to Samsung!

#4
Posted 03/27/2011 06:52 PM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 March 2011 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1301251941' post='1213995']
50" is the minimum if you're sitting six feet away, maybe. [/quote]
Right, that's why you go bigger, so you can move the TV further away thereby gaining emersion, realism, and an enhanced experience.
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 March 2011 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1301251941' post='1213995']

50" is the minimum if you're sitting six feet away, maybe.

Right, that's why you go bigger, so you can move the TV further away thereby gaining emersion, realism, and an enhanced experience.

#5
Posted 03/27/2011 08:17 PM   
You're gaining emersion by putting the monitor further away!?
You're gaining emersion by putting the monitor further away!?

#6
Posted 03/27/2011 08:22 PM   
Me personally I would say wait for the new acer 27" monitor to come out. It has almost no ghosting and seems to be a quality screen.

As for 3DTV's, everytime I check these forums people are always having problems and are begging the manufacturer to do something in which the manufacturer does nothing or screws the end user over.
Me personally I would say wait for the new acer 27" monitor to come out. It has almost no ghosting and seems to be a quality screen.



As for 3DTV's, everytime I check these forums people are always having problems and are begging the manufacturer to do something in which the manufacturer does nothing or screws the end user over.

#7
Posted 03/27/2011 08:36 PM   
I started with 1 RZ2233 and a 285 to start in 3D.

Now I have 1 PC with 3 - RZ2233's and 3-GTX480's watercooled and OC to 900, and 1 PC with 2 air 480's running a H5360 projecting an 8 foot picture on a wall.

3D is addicting! Will wait now for the cards after 590.

edit - 3dTV - see my post regarding cable set top box this forum.
I started with 1 RZ2233 and a 285 to start in 3D.



Now I have 1 PC with 3 - RZ2233's and 3-GTX480's watercooled and OC to 900, and 1 PC with 2 air 480's running a H5360 projecting an 8 foot picture on a wall.



3D is addicting! Will wait now for the cards after 590.



edit - 3dTV - see my post regarding cable set top box this forum.

#8
Posted 03/27/2011 09:26 PM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 March 2011 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1301257328' post='1214036']
You're gaining emersion by putting the monitor further away!?
[/quote]
Of course. For a given FOV, further away is obviously more emersive.
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 March 2011 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1301257328' post='1214036']

You're gaining emersion by putting the monitor further away!?



Of course. For a given FOV, further away is obviously more emersive.

#9
Posted 03/27/2011 10:32 PM   
[i]Do you guys think the pro's outweighs the con's at this point?
Would i be better off waiting for the 27" screens to be released?[/i]

[i][/i] I would say yes the pros out weight the cons. just realize that not all games were designed for 3d so some games have issues. games that are rated excellent and 3d ready are usually a great experience. I dont even like to play in 2d anymore.

with 3d displays the bigger the better. I started with a 20 something inch 1080p monitor, upgraded to a 65" 1080p Mitsubishi DLP 3d HDTV, tried out the new 65" HDMI 1.4a 1080p Panasonic plasma 3dtv - returned it, and I now use a Acer h5360 720p projector on a 130" screen on my wall. After all these displays im happiest with the 720p projector. the level of immersion is great at the 130" size. far Superior IMO to even 3dV surround, with small monitors. the 720p vs 1080p debate does not matter once you throw in 3d. dont get me wrong- if there was a ghost free 1080p60hrz 3d projector i would use it, however, no such projector exists that is compatible with 3d vision. The most important thing is a good projector screen. I can honestly say prefer 720p over 1080p because DLP is still the best 3d tech available today and surprisingly it is also the most affordable, . it has zero ghosting and my computer can destroy any game in 3d at 720p (actually the same is true with 1080p also). really you only have the choice of 1080p on a small computer monitor, or 1080p24 on new HDMI 1.4a tv's and projectors( i personally did not like the 24p frame rate at all, and using these tv's in 720p is a disappointment- plus they all have far more ghosting than DLP tv's or projectors) or you can get the mits dlp wich is 1080p checkerboard (half rez) , this is my second choice after all the sets i have tried. the only thing that would be better is three projectors in 3dv surround mode. [i][/i]
[i]
Should i keep my 2x 480 or upgrade to the 590?[/i]
[i][/i]keep the 480 sli. even when i ran 1080p- there was no game on the planet that could tax sli 480 with the physX card. Metro 2033 is still the most demanding game- and was perfectly playable in 3d for me at 1080p with max visual quality enabled. The dedicated physx card made a difference in this game- but without it i still only noticed a slow down every-once in a while. Crysis 2 is not a problem either. we shall see if it ever gets the dx11 update and if this actually makes the game look better than metro 2033 ( i have my doubts). if you go with 720p you will have no frame rate issues at all. there is no point in upgrading until display tech gets better or you run 3dV surround.


[i]No openGL? Really?[/i]
i run a dual boot xp and 7. i have just recently removed the 295 physx card and installed a gtx7900, i use the legacy drivers and dlp link glasses for old school open gl 3d. it is as good as 3d vision. i play descent 3 in 3d online.
Do you guys think the pro's outweighs the con's at this point?

Would i be better off waiting for the 27" screens to be released?




[/i] I would say yes the pros out weight the cons. just realize that not all games were designed for 3d so some games have issues. games that are rated excellent and 3d ready are usually a great experience. I dont even like to play in 2d anymore.



with 3d displays the bigger the better. I started with a 20 something inch 1080p monitor, upgraded to a 65" 1080p Mitsubishi DLP 3d HDTV, tried out the new 65" HDMI 1.4a 1080p Panasonic plasma 3dtv - returned it, and I now use a Acer h5360 720p projector on a 130" screen on my wall. After all these displays im happiest with the 720p projector. the level of immersion is great at the 130" size. far Superior IMO to even 3dV surround, with small monitors. the 720p vs 1080p debate does not matter once you throw in 3d. dont get me wrong- if there was a ghost free 1080p60hrz 3d projector i would use it, however, no such projector exists that is compatible with 3d vision. The most important thing is a good projector screen. I can honestly say prefer 720p over 1080p because DLP is still the best 3d tech available today and surprisingly it is also the most affordable, . it has zero ghosting and my computer can destroy any game in 3d at 720p (actually the same is true with 1080p also). really you only have the choice of 1080p on a small computer monitor, or 1080p24 on new HDMI 1.4a tv's and projectors( i personally did not like the 24p frame rate at all, and using these tv's in 720p is a disappointment- plus they all have far more ghosting than DLP tv's or projectors) or you can get the mits dlp wich is 1080p checkerboard (half rez) , this is my second choice after all the sets i have tried. the only thing that would be better is three projectors in 3dv surround mode.



Should i keep my 2x 480 or upgrade to the 590?


keep the 480 sli. even when i ran 1080p- there was no game on the planet that could tax sli 480 with the physX card. Metro 2033 is still the most demanding game- and was perfectly playable in 3d for me at 1080p with max visual quality enabled. The dedicated physx card made a difference in this game- but without it i still only noticed a slow down every-once in a while. Crysis 2 is not a problem either. we shall see if it ever gets the dx11 update and if this actually makes the game look better than metro 2033 ( i have my doubts). if you go with 720p you will have no frame rate issues at all. there is no point in upgrading until display tech gets better or you run 3dV surround.





[i]No openGL? Really?


i run a dual boot xp and 7. i have just recently removed the 295 physx card and installed a gtx7900, i use the legacy drivers and dlp link glasses for old school open gl 3d. it is as good as 3d vision. i play descent 3 in 3d online.

System:

Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz

Asus Rampage Extreme II

2 Ge-force 480 in SLI

GTX 295 PhysX Card

12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram

Intel SSD in RAID 0

BR RW

1000w Sony surround sound

NVIDIA 3D Vision



3d displays tested:



Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)

Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)

Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)

23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)

Samsung 65D8000

#10
Posted 03/28/2011 02:43 AM   
Thank you guys very much for all the replies!

The more i read the more i feel that the 27" monitor will probably be best for me. I do a lot of gaming, but i do a lot of other stuff on the computer as well. I think the projector idea is very cool indeed, but only for gaming, aside the fact i would have to be 5' away from the screen due to the layout of my bedroom (i live in an apartment). My wife also didn't like the idea of it taking so much wall real estate either. The gaming resolution in 3D is also lower on the projector than i would like, so i think all of these things put me on the road for a monitor. I'd like to think that once they come out with a native 1080p projector, i will probably revisit the subject.

As far as monitor brands, it seems to me that acer is really dedicating some time to 3D tech, and therefore i'll probably go with the Acer HN274H. [b]Ferry[/b] mentioned planar, but i didn't see anything on a 27" from planar. I don't plan on going 3DS anyways because of how buggy things still are.
Thank you guys very much for all the replies!



The more i read the more i feel that the 27" monitor will probably be best for me. I do a lot of gaming, but i do a lot of other stuff on the computer as well. I think the projector idea is very cool indeed, but only for gaming, aside the fact i would have to be 5' away from the screen due to the layout of my bedroom (i live in an apartment). My wife also didn't like the idea of it taking so much wall real estate either. The gaming resolution in 3D is also lower on the projector than i would like, so i think all of these things put me on the road for a monitor. I'd like to think that once they come out with a native 1080p projector, i will probably revisit the subject.



As far as monitor brands, it seems to me that acer is really dedicating some time to 3D tech, and therefore i'll probably go with the Acer HN274H. Ferry mentioned planar, but i didn't see anything on a 27" from planar. I don't plan on going 3DS anyways because of how buggy things still are.

#11
Posted 03/28/2011 02:28 PM   
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='27 March 2011 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1301280209' post='1214217']
really you only have the choice of 1080p on a small computer monitor, or 1080p24 on new HDMI 1.4a tv's ...[/quote]
The choice conspicuously missing is 1920x1080/60 native res on a plasma/LED HDTV, aka 'checkerboard', this is easily the best choice.
Projectors are a non-starter because of the loud howling sound they make due to DLP technology as it applies to front projection. I've had all these technologies including two FP (Optoma 66 and Acer 5360) and front proj DLP is at least 20 times louder than a rear proj DLP (Mits). Being front proj, the small proj is in near proximity to the user with little mass to muffle the excessive fan noise. RP DLPs are much better. They have more space for the light bulb so they can manage the heat with far less cooling/fan noise.
Checkerboard Plasmas and LED 3DTVs have no downside other than cost. You get native resolution, high framerate, quiet operation, and full size. Last choice would be front proj DLP, next to last would be a computer monitor.
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='27 March 2011 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1301280209' post='1214217']

really you only have the choice of 1080p on a small computer monitor, or 1080p24 on new HDMI 1.4a tv's ...

The choice conspicuously missing is 1920x1080/60 native res on a plasma/LED HDTV, aka 'checkerboard', this is easily the best choice.

Projectors are a non-starter because of the loud howling sound they make due to DLP technology as it applies to front projection. I've had all these technologies including two FP (Optoma 66 and Acer 5360) and front proj DLP is at least 20 times louder than a rear proj DLP (Mits). Being front proj, the small proj is in near proximity to the user with little mass to muffle the excessive fan noise. RP DLPs are much better. They have more space for the light bulb so they can manage the heat with far less cooling/fan noise.

Checkerboard Plasmas and LED 3DTVs have no downside other than cost. You get native resolution, high framerate, quiet operation, and full size. Last choice would be front proj DLP, next to last would be a computer monitor.

#12
Posted 03/28/2011 03:30 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='28 March 2011 - 08:30 AM' timestamp='1301326208' post='1214517']
The choice conspicuously missing is 1920x1080/60 native res on a plasma/LED HDTV, aka 'checkerboard', this is easily the best choice.
Projectors are a non-starter because of the loud howling sound they make due to DLP technology as it applies to front projection. I've had all these technologies including two FP (Optoma 66 and Acer 5360) and front proj DLP is at least 20 times louder than a rear proj DLP (Mits). Being front proj, the small proj is in near proximity to the user with little mass to muffle the excessive fan noise. RP DLPs are much better. They have more space for the light bulb so they can manage the heat with far less cooling/fan noise.
Checkerboard Plasmas and LED 3DTVs have no downside other than cost. You get native resolution, high framerate, quiet operation, and full size. Last choice would be front proj DLP, next to last would be a computer monitor.
[/quote]

You have a great opinion. I see where you are coming from. i think most people recommend what they think is the best- which is usually what one purchased- and purchases are subjective in nature. here is where im coming from; ive had checkerboard 3d for years (this is 06 -or 07 tech). I was never too fond of rendering 1080p and only getting half the pixels on the screen. the IQ difference is marginal considering the performance hit- to my eyes checkerboard is just as pixilated as native 720. i know there is a mathematical pixel difference- but i cant see it.

i cant hear the projector over the surround sound- it is way quieter than any air cooled sli graphics card setup under load. actually its as noisy as my pc sitting here now. but hey to each his own. IMO the new tv's are over priced and under-featured. on the AVS forums many complain about bad ghosting on plasma and LED. the acer is still considered better than many of the 1080p 3d projectors that are coming out- due to its superior 3d performance. The forums are full of people reporting how disappointed they are with the new generation 3dtv's.

im glad you like your TV- but im not buying another half rez checkerboard display- especially at that price. im rich but not stupid. a person could buy 3 DLP projectors and do 3d vision surround and get 2160x 1280 3d at 120hrz on a gigantic 130" or bigger screen- for around the price of a 55" Samsung. 65" sammy for $4000 vs under a $1000 for a 65" Mitsubishi 3d tv!! only the individual can answer if the sammy is 3000$ better than the DLP. My opinion is no, and im sure yours is yes. im sure that the sammy tv is nice and might have a better IQ than DLP but thats a huge price difference- and IQ is also subjective. i did not conspicuously leave out checkerboard- im just honestly surprised anyone would recommend such a low tech and highly expensive tv- that will become quickly outdated. I did mention checkerboard.

Can you honestly run 100% depth with no ghosting? I hope so considering the price of those sets. Its interesting when i google Samsung 3d tv ghosting- there all nothing but posts reporting ghosting issues and people asking for fixes. the same google with DLP receives nothing but people reporting ghost free experiences. oh and here is a post with you and others discussing how to minimize ghosting on you sammys:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=193712

i prefer the 130 inch screen. but like i said to each his own- i can see why in some cases a checkerboard set would be optimal. projectors do require space and are not as easy to set up as a tv. BTW- i use the projector as my main monitor now. its great for surfing the web- watching netflix- and creating art. however, this is all a mute point- the OP needs the small monitor to fill his space and spouse requirments.
[quote name='roller11' date='28 March 2011 - 08:30 AM' timestamp='1301326208' post='1214517']

The choice conspicuously missing is 1920x1080/60 native res on a plasma/LED HDTV, aka 'checkerboard', this is easily the best choice.

Projectors are a non-starter because of the loud howling sound they make due to DLP technology as it applies to front projection. I've had all these technologies including two FP (Optoma 66 and Acer 5360) and front proj DLP is at least 20 times louder than a rear proj DLP (Mits). Being front proj, the small proj is in near proximity to the user with little mass to muffle the excessive fan noise. RP DLPs are much better. They have more space for the light bulb so they can manage the heat with far less cooling/fan noise.

Checkerboard Plasmas and LED 3DTVs have no downside other than cost. You get native resolution, high framerate, quiet operation, and full size. Last choice would be front proj DLP, next to last would be a computer monitor.





You have a great opinion. I see where you are coming from. i think most people recommend what they think is the best- which is usually what one purchased- and purchases are subjective in nature. here is where im coming from; ive had checkerboard 3d for years (this is 06 -or 07 tech). I was never too fond of rendering 1080p and only getting half the pixels on the screen. the IQ difference is marginal considering the performance hit- to my eyes checkerboard is just as pixilated as native 720. i know there is a mathematical pixel difference- but i cant see it.



i cant hear the projector over the surround sound- it is way quieter than any air cooled sli graphics card setup under load. actually its as noisy as my pc sitting here now. but hey to each his own. IMO the new tv's are over priced and under-featured. on the AVS forums many complain about bad ghosting on plasma and LED. the acer is still considered better than many of the 1080p 3d projectors that are coming out- due to its superior 3d performance. The forums are full of people reporting how disappointed they are with the new generation 3dtv's.



im glad you like your TV- but im not buying another half rez checkerboard display- especially at that price. im rich but not stupid. a person could buy 3 DLP projectors and do 3d vision surround and get 2160x 1280 3d at 120hrz on a gigantic 130" or bigger screen- for around the price of a 55" Samsung. 65" sammy for $4000 vs under a $1000 for a 65" Mitsubishi 3d tv!! only the individual can answer if the sammy is 3000$ better than the DLP. My opinion is no, and im sure yours is yes. im sure that the sammy tv is nice and might have a better IQ than DLP but thats a huge price difference- and IQ is also subjective. i did not conspicuously leave out checkerboard- im just honestly surprised anyone would recommend such a low tech and highly expensive tv- that will become quickly outdated. I did mention checkerboard.



Can you honestly run 100% depth with no ghosting? I hope so considering the price of those sets. Its interesting when i google Samsung 3d tv ghosting- there all nothing but posts reporting ghosting issues and people asking for fixes. the same google with DLP receives nothing but people reporting ghost free experiences. oh and here is a post with you and others discussing how to minimize ghosting on you sammys:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=193712



i prefer the 130 inch screen. but like i said to each his own- i can see why in some cases a checkerboard set would be optimal. projectors do require space and are not as easy to set up as a tv. BTW- i use the projector as my main monitor now. its great for surfing the web- watching netflix- and creating art. however, this is all a mute point- the OP needs the small monitor to fill his space and spouse requirments.

System:

Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz

Asus Rampage Extreme II

2 Ge-force 480 in SLI

GTX 295 PhysX Card

12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram

Intel SSD in RAID 0

BR RW

1000w Sony surround sound

NVIDIA 3D Vision



3d displays tested:



Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)

Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)

Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)

23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)

Samsung 65D8000

#13
Posted 03/28/2011 11:10 PM   
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='27 March 2011 - 09:43 PM' timestamp='1301280209' post='1214217']
[i]No openGL? Really?[/i]
i run a dual boot xp and 7. i have just recently removed the 295 physx card and installed a gtx7900, i use the legacy drivers and dlp link glasses for old school open gl 3d. it is as good as 3d vision. i play descent 3 in 3d online.
[/quote]

Hi Daniel,

I haven't heard from you in a while on your dual boot configuration, I think now I know why. You've been busy playing Descent 3. I take it by your post, that you didn't have too many issues getting it running? That 7900 GTX is a real gem isn't it? You might go through hardware after hardware, but you'll be caring that one along with you so long as you want to play older games in 3D.

Shoot me an email sometime and I'll play some Descent 3 with you: photius @ sbcglobal dot net.

Best,
Daniel
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='27 March 2011 - 09:43 PM' timestamp='1301280209' post='1214217']

No openGL? Really?

i run a dual boot xp and 7. i have just recently removed the 295 physx card and installed a gtx7900, i use the legacy drivers and dlp link glasses for old school open gl 3d. it is as good as 3d vision. i play descent 3 in 3d online.





Hi Daniel,



I haven't heard from you in a while on your dual boot configuration, I think now I know why. You've been busy playing Descent 3. I take it by your post, that you didn't have too many issues getting it running? That 7900 GTX is a real gem isn't it? You might go through hardware after hardware, but you'll be caring that one along with you so long as you want to play older games in 3D.



Shoot me an email sometime and I'll play some Descent 3 with you: photius @ sbcglobal dot net.



Best,

Daniel

#14
Posted 03/29/2011 01:29 AM   
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='28 March 2011 - 05:10 PM' timestamp='1301353818' post='1214831']
I was never too fond of rendering 1080p and only getting half the pixels on the screen.[/quote]
Half the pixels?? You're getting all the pixels, 1920x1080 per frame.

[quote]i cant hear the projector over the surround sound- it is way quieter than any air cooled sli graphics card setup under load. actually its as noisy as my pc sitting here now. but hey to each his own.[/quote]
I've had people shout "What's that? I can't hear you over the 13 fans in my watercooling case! And these people will swear their systems are 'quiet'. Of course we are talking in arbitrary terms, that why I made an objective, non-aribtrary comparison, a rear proj DLP vs a front proj DLP. Call a 5380 'quiet' if you will, it is 20x louder than a RP DLP, and that's not a subjective statement.[quote]
The forums are full of people reporting how disappointed they are with the new generation 3dtv's.[/quote]
What???? Where are all these claims? Nobody is saying that in a side by side comparison, HDTVs are inferior in anyway to 720P projectors. People complain about bugs in the software, but they love their HDTVs.

[quote] i did not conspicuously leave out checkerboard[/quote]
yes you did, check your post.[quote]im just honestly surprised anyone would recommend such a low tech and highly expensive tv- that will become quickly outdated. [/quote]
Your post has two gigantic flaws:
1. checkerboard is full res native 1920x1080 per frame, not 'haf res'.
2. You're commenting on checkerboard as it is on a DLP, not a HDTV. Granted CB on a DLP is significantly flawed, but not on a plasma/LED. So your comparison is invalid.
3. Your "quickly outdated" is doubly irrelevent.
a. You're doing 720P and you're saying 1920x1080P is outdated???? Gime a break!!
b. This thread is about what we have today, not speculations about the future. Today, we have 1920x1080P checkerboard, the best compromise BY FAR. We can quible about whether it's a 1%, 5% or 10% IQ hit vs frame packing, but it's a 300% improvement in size over a 27" screen. Giving up 1% to gain 300% is one hell of a good trade off.
Ghost free 3D on a front proj is a myth, there's no such thing. You get ghosting on all 3D displays, including FPs.

[quote] Its interesting when i google Samsung 3d tv ghosting- there all nothing but posts reporting ghosting issues .[/quote]
LOL! You are using 'ghosting' in your search term and you're surprised you get 'ghosting' comments???

[quote]i prefer the 130 inch screen. but like i said to each his own- [/quote]
I strongly agree with many of the points you make. 130" screen would be amazing for 3D, no doubt. Can't over do it when it comes to size. And no denying the cost factor, FP is a fabulous value. When I had my FPs, I was surprised at how good the IQ was considering it's low resolution. Not quite the detail of 1920x1080P checkerboard, but it was native res and that's what counts. But when the howling of the fan assaulted my ears,I knew I wouldn't be keeping it. You make the statement that a 5380 is quieter than a modern vid card at 100% fan speed, LOL!! That's like saying "well, it's quieter than the space shuttle blasting off". Hardly a ringing endorsment.
For me, a FP at 1920x1080P that makes no more noise than a plasma would be ideal. But there's no way that will ever happen with a DLP, the bulb generates too much heat in a too small space. If FPs are ever implemented in a non-DLP tech, I'll be the first to buy one.
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='28 March 2011 - 05:10 PM' timestamp='1301353818' post='1214831']

I was never too fond of rendering 1080p and only getting half the pixels on the screen.

Half the pixels?? You're getting all the pixels, 1920x1080 per frame.



i cant hear the projector over the surround sound- it is way quieter than any air cooled sli graphics card setup under load. actually its as noisy as my pc sitting here now. but hey to each his own.


I've had people shout "What's that? I can't hear you over the 13 fans in my watercooling case! And these people will swear their systems are 'quiet'. Of course we are talking in arbitrary terms, that why I made an objective, non-aribtrary comparison, a rear proj DLP vs a front proj DLP. Call a 5380 'quiet' if you will, it is 20x louder than a RP DLP, and that's not a subjective statement.


The forums are full of people reporting how disappointed they are with the new generation 3dtv's.


What???? Where are all these claims? Nobody is saying that in a side by side comparison, HDTVs are inferior in anyway to 720P projectors. People complain about bugs in the software, but they love their HDTVs.



i did not conspicuously leave out checkerboard


yes you did, check your post.
im just honestly surprised anyone would recommend such a low tech and highly expensive tv- that will become quickly outdated.


Your post has two gigantic flaws:

1. checkerboard is full res native 1920x1080 per frame, not 'haf res'.

2. You're commenting on checkerboard as it is on a DLP, not a HDTV. Granted CB on a DLP is significantly flawed, but not on a plasma/LED. So your comparison is invalid.

3. Your "quickly outdated" is doubly irrelevent.

a. You're doing 720P and you're saying 1920x1080P is outdated???? Gime a break!!

b. This thread is about what we have today, not speculations about the future. Today, we have 1920x1080P checkerboard, the best compromise BY FAR. We can quible about whether it's a 1%, 5% or 10% IQ hit vs frame packing, but it's a 300% improvement in size over a 27" screen. Giving up 1% to gain 300% is one hell of a good trade off.

Ghost free 3D on a front proj is a myth, there's no such thing. You get ghosting on all 3D displays, including FPs.



Its interesting when i google Samsung 3d tv ghosting- there all nothing but posts reporting ghosting issues .


LOL! You are using 'ghosting' in your search term and you're surprised you get 'ghosting' comments???



i prefer the 130 inch screen. but like i said to each his own-


I strongly agree with many of the points you make. 130" screen would be amazing for 3D, no doubt. Can't over do it when it comes to size. And no denying the cost factor, FP is a fabulous value. When I had my FPs, I was surprised at how good the IQ was considering it's low resolution. Not quite the detail of 1920x1080P checkerboard, but it was native res and that's what counts. But when the howling of the fan assaulted my ears,I knew I wouldn't be keeping it. You make the statement that a 5380 is quieter than a modern vid card at 100% fan speed, LOL!! That's like saying "well, it's quieter than the space shuttle blasting off". Hardly a ringing endorsment.

For me, a FP at 1920x1080P that makes no more noise than a plasma would be ideal. But there's no way that will ever happen with a DLP, the bulb generates too much heat in a too small space. If FPs are ever implemented in a non-DLP tech, I'll be the first to buy one.

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Posted 03/29/2011 11:18 PM   
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