"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
Wow.
The smell worsens...
[url]https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/[/url]
"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
[quote="RAGEdemon"]"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
Wow.
The smell worsens...
[url]https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/[/url][/quote]
RAGE you beat me to it!
This crap is so disgusting I want to throw up.
Oh and leaked 2080 bench shows it some 6% faster than 1080 Ti, at 2000 MHz:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-timespy-score-leaked-clocked-at-2ghz-and-beats-a-gtx-1080-ti-without-ai-cores/
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle, meaning I was shadowbanned.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales.
RAGEdemon said:"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle, meaning I was shadowbanned.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales.
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[quote="RAGEdemon"]In my humble opinion, the best way to deal with trolls is not to feed them :)
A highly regarded man once said "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". This 'law' became known as Hitchens's Razor. Combined with Brandolini's law: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude [10x] bigger than to produce it", one might say that the path forward seems clear...
I don't know about you awesome chaps, but I agree with eitan8385; why waste our valuable time replying to trolls when it is the exact thing their pathetic minds desire? :)[/quote]
Am I the only one to notice that RageDemon uses the Trumpian tactic of accusing people of the same bad behavior that he exhibits?
Maybe I'm the only one who cares, but this forum is completely toxic.
RAGEdemon said:In my humble opinion, the best way to deal with trolls is not to feed them :)
A highly regarded man once said "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". This 'law' became known as Hitchens's Razor. Combined with Brandolini's law: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude [10x] bigger than to produce it", one might say that the path forward seems clear...
I don't know about you awesome chaps, but I agree with eitan8385; why waste our valuable time replying to trolls when it is the exact thing their pathetic minds desire? :)
Am I the only one to notice that RageDemon uses the Trumpian tactic of accusing people of the same bad behavior that he exhibits?
Maybe I'm the only one who cares, but this forum is completely toxic.
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[quote="xXxStarManxXx"][quote="RAGEdemon"]"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
Wow.
The smell worsens...
[url]https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/[/url][/quote]RAGE you beat me to it!
This crap is so disgusting I want to throw up.
Oh and leaked 2080 bench shows it some 6% faster than 1080 Ti, at 2000 MHz:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-timespy-score-leaked-clocked-at-2ghz-and-beats-a-gtx-1080-ti-without-ai-cores/
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales. [/quote]
None of this makes any logical sense at all.
NVidia will have zero control over anyone buying the card after it is released. If you just buy a card, you don't sign an NDA, right?
Why would they deliberately poison their reputation by shadowbanning or removing reviewers, when the truth will literally be out in a month?
This is more manufactured internet bullshit outrage. More off-topic click-bait.
RAGEdemon said:"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales.
None of this makes any logical sense at all.
NVidia will have zero control over anyone buying the card after it is released. If you just buy a card, you don't sign an NDA, right?
Why would they deliberately poison their reputation by shadowbanning or removing reviewers, when the truth will literally be out in a month?
This is more manufactured internet bullshit outrage. More off-topic click-bait.
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[quote="bo3b"][quote="xXxStarManxXx"][quote="RAGEdemon"]"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
Wow.
The smell worsens...
[url]https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/[/url][/quote]RAGE you beat me to it!
This crap is so disgusting I want to throw up.
Oh and leaked 2080 bench shows it some 6% faster than 1080 Ti, at 2000 MHz:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-timespy-score-leaked-clocked-at-2ghz-and-beats-a-gtx-1080-ti-without-ai-cores/
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales. [/quote]
None of this makes any logical sense at all.
NVidia will have zero control over anyone buying the card after it is released. If you just buy a card, you don't sign an NDA, right?
Why would they deliberately poison their reputation by shadowbanning or removing reviewers, when the truth will literally be out in a month?
This is more manufactured internet bullshit outrage. More off-topic click-bait. [/quote]
Manufactured?
Well I'm not lying, that's exactly what happened.
They offer up only 4k+HDR+G-Sync benchmarks comparing the 2080 to 1080, and we already know that Vega is faster than GTX 1080 at 4k because of memory bandwidth. 1.14% and shrinking are at 4K according to Steam Survey. 64% and growing are at 1080p. Is everyone in the market for an $800 GTX 2080 buying one of two 4K + HDR + G-Sync monitors (PG27UQ and X35) for $2500 before taxes? No, those who can swing $2500 on a monitor can also swing $1300 on a GPU. So why release 4K+HDR+G-Sync benchmarks when literally no-one this card was designed for is at that resolution, with an HDR panel? You only do that if you want to flat out overstate the performance disparity, which as AdoredTV has astutely elucidated, is probably somewhere around 20-25% at the resolution 99% of those intending to get this card are at, not the "50-125" that Nvidia is claiming.
So we have an egregious example of flat out lies on the part of Nvidia, and now they are basically going to attempt to censor review outlets who get early samples of the card (HardOCP article referred to above), sure, they won't be able to contain the fact that Turing is a middling cash grab architecture in AMD's absence, with assuredly faster cards on 12nm node waiting in the wings (watch them release the Titan card in 3 months that will truly be 50% faster than 1080 Ti / 2080 for $1200, then drop the price of 2080 Ti down to $800 just as they dropped the price of 1080 and 1070 when they released 1080 Ti) let alone 7nm Volta cards ready to go, prototypes of which certainly already exist in some R&D lab, they are just waiting to see what AMD has up their sleeve in 2019.
Is it any stretch to think that they would also have paid moderators on r/nvidia? Because there absolutely exist paid mods there, and I was absolutely banned for being vocal about all of this crap, and I absolutely have been shadowbanned.
Sure, after the cards are out, and 50% of those who pre-ordered don't cancel or return their cards within 30 days, and Nvidia has made their FE price premium cash grab, and the word is out from HardwareUnboxed, HardOCP, GamersNexus and other legit outlets that probably wont sign the NDA that 2080 is ~5% faster than 1080 Ti and can't do Ray Tracing to save it's life and youre better off with a $500 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti is ~30% faster than that and Ray Tracing is still too prohibitive of a feature to use even with that card and youre better off with two kidneys than a card 30% faster than a 1080 Ti, then yeah, they wont bother with soft-banning people on the internet.
Nvidia is in full blown damage control at the moment. Memes have absolutely developed that aren't in their favor, and they are absolutely trying to staunch the bleeding wherever they can, if that means paying overzealous fascistic mods on certain forums to ban the most vocal opponents of their tyranny, how is that a stretch considering the NDA debacle?
It's happening.
Nvidia is THAT dishonest.
I have removed the Nvidia logo wallpapers from Wallpaper Engine. That's where I stand right now with them. I'm actually considering selling both my AW3418DW and PG278Q if AMD can produce something faster than 1080 Ti that doesn't cost $1300. I will put that money towards a 3440x1440 curved Free-Sync variant of my AW3418DW and kiss 3D Vision goodbye.
I'm over it.
I DO NOT like what Nvidia is doing, and neither should you.
RAGEdemon said:"NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA(which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present"
"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales.
None of this makes any logical sense at all.
NVidia will have zero control over anyone buying the card after it is released. If you just buy a card, you don't sign an NDA, right?
Why would they deliberately poison their reputation by shadowbanning or removing reviewers, when the truth will literally be out in a month?
This is more manufactured internet bullshit outrage. More off-topic click-bait.
Manufactured?
Well I'm not lying, that's exactly what happened.
They offer up only 4k+HDR+G-Sync benchmarks comparing the 2080 to 1080, and we already know that Vega is faster than GTX 1080 at 4k because of memory bandwidth. 1.14% and shrinking are at 4K according to Steam Survey. 64% and growing are at 1080p. Is everyone in the market for an $800 GTX 2080 buying one of two 4K + HDR + G-Sync monitors (PG27UQ and X35) for $2500 before taxes? No, those who can swing $2500 on a monitor can also swing $1300 on a GPU. So why release 4K+HDR+G-Sync benchmarks when literally no-one this card was designed for is at that resolution, with an HDR panel? You only do that if you want to flat out overstate the performance disparity, which as AdoredTV has astutely elucidated, is probably somewhere around 20-25% at the resolution 99% of those intending to get this card are at, not the "50-125" that Nvidia is claiming.
So we have an egregious example of flat out lies on the part of Nvidia, and now they are basically going to attempt to censor review outlets who get early samples of the card (HardOCP article referred to above), sure, they won't be able to contain the fact that Turing is a middling cash grab architecture in AMD's absence, with assuredly faster cards on 12nm node waiting in the wings (watch them release the Titan card in 3 months that will truly be 50% faster than 1080 Ti / 2080 for $1200, then drop the price of 2080 Ti down to $800 just as they dropped the price of 1080 and 1070 when they released 1080 Ti) let alone 7nm Volta cards ready to go, prototypes of which certainly already exist in some R&D lab, they are just waiting to see what AMD has up their sleeve in 2019.
Is it any stretch to think that they would also have paid moderators on r/nvidia? Because there absolutely exist paid mods there, and I was absolutely banned for being vocal about all of this crap, and I absolutely have been shadowbanned.
Sure, after the cards are out, and 50% of those who pre-ordered don't cancel or return their cards within 30 days, and Nvidia has made their FE price premium cash grab, and the word is out from HardwareUnboxed, HardOCP, GamersNexus and other legit outlets that probably wont sign the NDA that 2080 is ~5% faster than 1080 Ti and can't do Ray Tracing to save it's life and youre better off with a $500 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti is ~30% faster than that and Ray Tracing is still too prohibitive of a feature to use even with that card and youre better off with two kidneys than a card 30% faster than a 1080 Ti, then yeah, they wont bother with soft-banning people on the internet.
Nvidia is in full blown damage control at the moment. Memes have absolutely developed that aren't in their favor, and they are absolutely trying to staunch the bleeding wherever they can, if that means paying overzealous fascistic mods on certain forums to ban the most vocal opponents of their tyranny, how is that a stretch considering the NDA debacle?
It's happening.
Nvidia is THAT dishonest.
I have removed the Nvidia logo wallpapers from Wallpaper Engine. That's where I stand right now with them. I'm actually considering selling both my AW3418DW and PG278Q if AMD can produce something faster than 1080 Ti that doesn't cost $1300. I will put that money towards a 3440x1440 curved Free-Sync variant of my AW3418DW and kiss 3D Vision goodbye.
I'm over it.
I DO NOT like what Nvidia is doing, and neither should you.
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Im with star on this, only thing to change things is not to buy.
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I feel very sad about what is everything turning on related to graphics cards. Nvidia is showing nothing but sad behavior from the begining of the times, and now this company is leading a sector and making a lot of money. I don't think this is fair. Thy just love money and that is the only thing that matters for them. They do not show any respect to people, and they do not show any respect to manners. It is very difficult for me to support this company buying a product, not just the expensive money that they tray to get.
I feel very sad about what is everything turning on related to graphics cards. Nvidia is showing nothing but sad behavior from the begining of the times, and now this company is leading a sector and making a lot of money. I don't think this is fair. Thy just love money and that is the only thing that matters for them. They do not show any respect to people, and they do not show any respect to manners. It is very difficult for me to support this company buying a product, not just the expensive money that they tray to get.
I sympathise xXxStarManxXx; behind the PR veil, a lot of companies are like this because their primary goal is $. Intel has a dark past too, as does Microsoft, as well as companies such as Nestle who literally had a hand in countless baby deaths for profit ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott[/url]). It's nothing new - we even had (and to some extent still do have) entire countries enslaving other nations for personal gain. As you said: Disgusting.
I was actually leading a charge the other day to have AdoredTV unbanned from one of my favourite subreddits...
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/9affdj/adoredtv_is_banned_please_can_we_discuss/[/url]
650 comments and 21000 views later, democracy proved 55% in favour of lifting the ban - though something tells me the mods will still not lift it...
I sympathise xXxStarManxXx; behind the PR veil, a lot of companies are like this because their primary goal is $. Intel has a dark past too, as does Microsoft, as well as companies such as Nestle who literally had a hand in countless baby deaths for profit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott). It's nothing new - we even had (and to some extent still do have) entire countries enslaving other nations for personal gain. As you said: Disgusting.
I was actually leading a charge the other day to have AdoredTV unbanned from one of my favourite subreddits...
Well RageDemon managed to do it again- Destroyed any value of this thread with off-topic click-bait.
You guys crack me up. This whole NVidia conspiracy theory is the dumbest thing I've heard all week.
If you do your google research, you will find that ALL paths lead back to that single HardOCP article. HardOCP is mad at NVidia and deliberately trying to make them look bad, and you are really going to fall for that?
Look, NVidia is not a shining gem, but geez, can you at least attack them for something real, not some internet fantasy?
This is absolutely off-topic click-bait, deliberately designed to stoke your outrage. Don't fall for it.
These cards are going to ship in one month. Anybody and everybody will get to benchmark them to their hearts content.
What possible difference would it make for NVidia to stifle bad reviews right now? Are these early reviews somehow magical, and will set the tone for buying for the next two years? You think NVidia is so stupid that somehow [i]they [/i]think that hammering early reviews will somehow change anything?
Either the cards work for people, or they don't, reviews aren't going to change anything.
Here's a thought that you should consider- maybe NVidia is not the bad actor here, and you are being played for the sap.
Maybe, just maybe, NVidia has those NDA's and gets names and addresses- because they want to enforce their review embargo. Because... they want every review site to have the same chance of success. If it's leak city, then people who follow the rules like AnandTech get shafted by bad actors like HardOCP.
Here's another thought- if these high and mighty review sites are so mad at NVidia, then why don't they buy their own cards, instead of getting NVidia freebies? They are getting freebies, and then somehow are mad that it comes with restrictions? GamersNexus specifically buys their own cards for this reason.
Come on people, use your brains, not your emotions.
Well RageDemon managed to do it again- Destroyed any value of this thread with off-topic click-bait.
You guys crack me up. This whole NVidia conspiracy theory is the dumbest thing I've heard all week.
If you do your google research, you will find that ALL paths lead back to that single HardOCP article. HardOCP is mad at NVidia and deliberately trying to make them look bad, and you are really going to fall for that?
Look, NVidia is not a shining gem, but geez, can you at least attack them for something real, not some internet fantasy?
This is absolutely off-topic click-bait, deliberately designed to stoke your outrage. Don't fall for it.
These cards are going to ship in one month. Anybody and everybody will get to benchmark them to their hearts content.
What possible difference would it make for NVidia to stifle bad reviews right now? Are these early reviews somehow magical, and will set the tone for buying for the next two years? You think NVidia is so stupid that somehow they think that hammering early reviews will somehow change anything?
Either the cards work for people, or they don't, reviews aren't going to change anything.
Here's a thought that you should consider- maybe NVidia is not the bad actor here, and you are being played for the sap.
Maybe, just maybe, NVidia has those NDA's and gets names and addresses- because they want to enforce their review embargo. Because... they want every review site to have the same chance of success. If it's leak city, then people who follow the rules like AnandTech get shafted by bad actors like HardOCP.
Here's another thought- if these high and mighty review sites are so mad at NVidia, then why don't they buy their own cards, instead of getting NVidia freebies? They are getting freebies, and then somehow are mad that it comes with restrictions? GamersNexus specifically buys their own cards for this reason.
Come on people, use your brains, not your emotions.
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Bo3b, I have to say I agree with everything you just said about Nvidia and these cards.
They're not 'lying' about anything, it's just marketing and standard procedure. Literally, nothing to see here, please move on. It's like you say, the review NDA will be lifted soon and then everyone can decide what they want to do and either buy or not buy a new graphics card.
It's crazy how worked up people are getting. I think they're just angry because they're expensive!
Bo3b, I have to say I agree with everything you just said about Nvidia and these cards.
They're not 'lying' about anything, it's just marketing and standard procedure. Literally, nothing to see here, please move on. It's like you say, the review NDA will be lifted soon and then everyone can decide what they want to do and either buy or not buy a new graphics card.
It's crazy how worked up people are getting. I think they're just angry because they're expensive!
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[quote="rustyk21"]Bo3b, I have to say I agree with everything you just said about Nvidia and these cards.
They're not 'lying' about anything, it's just marketing and standard procedure. Literally, nothing to see here, please move on. It's like you say, the review NDA will be lifted soon and then everyone can decide what they want to do and either buy or not buy a new graphics card.
It's crazy how worked up people are getting. I think they're just angry because they're expensive![/quote]
Yep exactly my thoughts too, agree with Bo3b 100%. Its all seems like standart marketing practices not some conspiracy stuff. And in the end video card is just another product, why get mad that some company sells just another product? I'm personally happy to have more choice when deciding what to buy. And I'll do it only when lots of independent reviews came out, and hopefully some from 3d forum stating performance improvements in 3d gaming :) But speaking about this exact generation of cards, I think omissiong of hdmi2.1 is the thing will make me skip this generation. I somehow think that soon we will have 120hz tvs/projectors, and that should translate to much better overall pc experience.
rustyk21 said:Bo3b, I have to say I agree with everything you just said about Nvidia and these cards.
They're not 'lying' about anything, it's just marketing and standard procedure. Literally, nothing to see here, please move on. It's like you say, the review NDA will be lifted soon and then everyone can decide what they want to do and either buy or not buy a new graphics card.
It's crazy how worked up people are getting. I think they're just angry because they're expensive!
Yep exactly my thoughts too, agree with Bo3b 100%. Its all seems like standart marketing practices not some conspiracy stuff. And in the end video card is just another product, why get mad that some company sells just another product? I'm personally happy to have more choice when deciding what to buy. And I'll do it only when lots of independent reviews came out, and hopefully some from 3d forum stating performance improvements in 3d gaming :) But speaking about this exact generation of cards, I think omissiong of hdmi2.1 is the thing will make me skip this generation. I somehow think that soon we will have 120hz tvs/projectors, and that should translate to much better overall pc experience.
[quote="Sora"]
Any thread on the subject is thoroughly ignorant to electrical engineering and needs to be buried in the forum and the proplainer sent to a university to learn audio engineering.[/quote]
How can a thread on ground loops be ignorant to electrical engineering?
That makes no sense, like most of your other posts!
Just for the record, I actually do have a degree in audio engineering.
That’s how I reached the conclusion in the thread.
Maybe you should go back to primary school so you can learn how to use the forum search function?
You could also learn how to do your research on a subject so you don’t make yourself look like a plonker, running your mouth off, when you don’t know diddly squat about the subject at hand.
Just a suggestion to help you save face from now on.
You really are an assumptious fool.
It’s not taken long for everyone to work out that you’re not the fountain of knowledge you think you are!
Why are stupid people the most confident/vocal?
Maybe when you grow up you’ll be able to see past your own opinions.
One day you’ll work it out.
You’re obviously young, there’s hope for you yet.
[quote="Sora"]nvidia "Reference" cards are qualified for medical instruments, whatever the third party cards do is on the third party vendor and has nothing to do with nvidia.
ps: of the 4 different gpu's here right now
EVGA 680
EVGA 1080 founders
1060 founders
PNY 550ti
none of them hum on a HT.
Problem is either a defect in your components or home wiring.
[/quote]
Does your home theatre comprise of ‘active’ studio monitors?
Do you use fully ‘balanced’ XLR audio cables, with ‘balanced’ outputs and inputs?
Do you know what balanced audio connectors are and why they are used?
Or are you using a run of the mill amp with passive speakers that is a totally different, alas irrelevant, and thus incomparable setup?
Do you know what a ground loop actually is?
Do you know what electromagnetic interference is?
Read the thread on nvidia ground loops before you post again,as everything you have said so far is the equivalent to a troll dribbling........
Any game developer (worth their salt) will be working on active studio monitors.
The only way to bitstream Dolby atmos and DTSX on a PC is over HDMI.
When dice sit there with starwars and battlefield to check the Dolby atmos mix I guarantee that same noise will be there for them too.
Now please stop posting crap on the forums and stop giving out ‘advice’ (read misinformation) about subjects you clearly know nothing about.
I agree with bo3b and rustyk21 people are just bitter about the price.
It’ll be the best gpu upgrade in years, maybe a decade.
I bet nvidia didn’t support hdmi 2.1 as it has Freesync support built in!
The bastards!
Any thread on the subject is thoroughly ignorant to electrical engineering and needs to be buried in the forum and the proplainer sent to a university to learn audio engineering.
How can a thread on ground loops be ignorant to electrical engineering?
That makes no sense, like most of your other posts!
Just for the record, I actually do have a degree in audio engineering.
That’s how I reached the conclusion in the thread.
Maybe you should go back to primary school so you can learn how to use the forum search function?
You could also learn how to do your research on a subject so you don’t make yourself look like a plonker, running your mouth off, when you don’t know diddly squat about the subject at hand.
Just a suggestion to help you save face from now on.
You really are an assumptious fool.
It’s not taken long for everyone to work out that you’re not the fountain of knowledge you think you are!
Why are stupid people the most confident/vocal?
Maybe when you grow up you’ll be able to see past your own opinions.
One day you’ll work it out.
You’re obviously young, there’s hope for you yet.
Sora said:nvidia "Reference" cards are qualified for medical instruments, whatever the third party cards do is on the third party vendor and has nothing to do with nvidia.
Problem is either a defect in your components or home wiring.
Does your home theatre comprise of ‘active’ studio monitors?
Do you use fully ‘balanced’ XLR audio cables, with ‘balanced’ outputs and inputs?
Do you know what balanced audio connectors are and why they are used?
Or are you using a run of the mill amp with passive speakers that is a totally different, alas irrelevant, and thus incomparable setup?
Do you know what a ground loop actually is?
Do you know what electromagnetic interference is?
Read the thread on nvidia ground loops before you post again,as everything you have said so far is the equivalent to a troll dribbling........
Any game developer (worth their salt) will be working on active studio monitors.
The only way to bitstream Dolby atmos and DTSX on a PC is over HDMI.
When dice sit there with starwars and battlefield to check the Dolby atmos mix I guarantee that same noise will be there for them too.
Now please stop posting crap on the forums and stop giving out ‘advice’ (read misinformation) about subjects you clearly know nothing about.
I agree with bo3b and rustyk21 people are just bitter about the price.
It’ll be the best gpu upgrade in years, maybe a decade.
I bet nvidia didn’t support hdmi 2.1 as it has Freesync support built in!
The bastards!
Gamers Nexus has always been highly respectable; Steve has just posted this. It's a cool insight into the RTX pricing, as well as the Tom's article and it's repercussions for the German variant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma1gh-21diQ
Generally, Day 1 reviews control the entire marketing cycle for the life of the GPU, as most of the big reviewers are Day 1, and most people do not wait for 3rd party un-coloured benchmarks. It is, therefore, in both NVidia and AMD's best interests to control Day 1 benchmarks as closely as possible, and it's interesting to note that, being a typical profit chasing company, AMD too restrict AIBs from sending out review samples, unless it was *officially* through them, to pre-selected reviewers.
AMD go one step beyond If I recall correctly - they actually determine which samples go to which reviewer. They actually blacklisted [H]OCP and Hardware Canucks for their 'mediocre' reviews of DAAMIT products. It's great that a lot of people here will wait for proper reviews after actual launch from people who bought the hardware with their own money. I do wonder if there will be much difference between the Day One reviews and the people who purchased the cards themselves however.
One of my personal reasons for upgrading perhaps more often than I should, is that the previous gen's prices drop significantly, as the new generation takes a hold of the market. It is therefore prudent to sell old cards as soon as new cards hit the market, even if they don't quite deliver.
However, it looks like this time, the 10XX series pricing might remain quite high depending on how desperately the AIBs want to get rid of their overstock; though I do wonder how ex-miners flooding the market with 1070s and 1080s will affect this. The plot thickens...
@GibsonRed: You are referring to the Dunning–Kruger effect mate, and it is very real ;-)
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect[/url]
Gamers Nexus has always been highly respectable; Steve has just posted this. It's a cool insight into the RTX pricing, as well as the Tom's article and it's repercussions for the German variant:
Generally, Day 1 reviews control the entire marketing cycle for the life of the GPU, as most of the big reviewers are Day 1, and most people do not wait for 3rd party un-coloured benchmarks. It is, therefore, in both NVidia and AMD's best interests to control Day 1 benchmarks as closely as possible, and it's interesting to note that, being a typical profit chasing company, AMD too restrict AIBs from sending out review samples, unless it was *officially* through them, to pre-selected reviewers.
AMD go one step beyond If I recall correctly - they actually determine which samples go to which reviewer. They actually blacklisted [H]OCP and Hardware Canucks for their 'mediocre' reviews of DAAMIT products. It's great that a lot of people here will wait for proper reviews after actual launch from people who bought the hardware with their own money. I do wonder if there will be much difference between the Day One reviews and the people who purchased the cards themselves however.
One of my personal reasons for upgrading perhaps more often than I should, is that the previous gen's prices drop significantly, as the new generation takes a hold of the market. It is therefore prudent to sell old cards as soon as new cards hit the market, even if they don't quite deliver.
However, it looks like this time, the 10XX series pricing might remain quite high depending on how desperately the AIBs want to get rid of their overstock; though I do wonder how ex-miners flooding the market with 1070s and 1080s will affect this. The plot thickens...
So guys, great news!
3D Vision seems to be supported by the new RTX cards! :)
[url]https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/3d-vision/supported-gpus[/url]
I've asked our good man Ray@NVidia to kindly elaborate; let's see if he can tell us more...
[quote="bo3b"]Well RageDemon managed to do it again- Destroyed any value of this thread with off-topic click-bait.
You guys crack me up. This whole NVidia conspiracy theory is the dumbest thing I've heard all week.
If you do your google research, you will find that ALL paths lead back to that single HardOCP article. HardOCP is mad at NVidia and deliberately trying to make them look bad, and you are really going to fall for that?
Look, NVidia is not a shining gem, but geez, can you at least attack them for something real, not some internet fantasy?
This is absolutely off-topic click-bait, deliberately designed to stoke your outrage. Don't fall for it.
These cards are going to ship in one month. Anybody and everybody will get to benchmark them to their hearts content.
What possible difference would it make for NVidia to stifle bad reviews right now? Are these early reviews somehow magical, and will set the tone for buying for the next two years? You think NVidia is so stupid that somehow [i]they [/i]think that hammering early reviews will somehow change anything?
Either the cards work for people, or they don't, reviews aren't going to change anything.
Here's a thought that you should consider- maybe NVidia is not the bad actor here, and you are being played for the sap.
Maybe, just maybe, NVidia has those NDA's and gets names and addresses- because they want to enforce their review embargo. Because... they want every review site to have the same chance of success. If it's leak city, then people who follow the rules like AnandTech get shafted by bad actors like HardOCP.
Here's another thought- if these high and mighty review sites are so mad at NVidia, then why don't they buy their own cards, instead of getting NVidia freebies? They are getting freebies, and then somehow are mad that it comes with restrictions? GamersNexus specifically buys their own cards for this reason.
Come on people, use your brains, not your emotions.
[/quote]
Following up on my previous comment, here's a solid example of the paid moderator censorship that exists all over the internet, check this one out:
[url]https://www.overclock.net/forum/225-hardware-news/1706686-tomshw-just-buy-why-nvidia-rtx-gpus-worth-money.html[/url]
So a forum member posts about this Tom's Hardware article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu7pxJXBBn8
And look at what happens not even half a page into posting that, and let me point out that there are exactly zero other posts there relating to that Tom's Hardware paid advertisement hit piece.
"This is an example of what isn't news. Thread closed."
This isn't an example of news?
Let's see where the thread was posted
Overclock.net > Industry News > Hardware News
Again, there are exactly zero other posts that point to the Tom's Hardware paid advertisement. Zero.
This is actually news, and it's in the correct thread location so it's not off topic, and guess what happens? You guessed correctly, thread locked because "this isn't news".
I think you should learn about how the internet works:
https://wakeup-world.com/2012/10/03/pay-for-comments-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-internet-shill/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/7fc70o/reddit_shill_explains_how_theyre_paid_to/
https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/31wo57/the_chevron_tapes_video_shows_oil_giant_allegedly/cq5uhse/
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2376-i-get-paid-to-write-fake-reviews-amazon.html
[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgregor/2017/02/20/reddit-is-being-manipulated-by-big-financial-services-companies/#278c3b334c92[/url]
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/wikipedia-is-an-establishment-psyop-c352c0d2faf
These are just but a handful of examples of information control.
Guess what happens when you get someone like me who does the opposite, who challenges a carefully cultivated narrative, whether that's NGreedia wanting you to part with money for a half baked feature (Ray Farce) with maybe 25% increase in actual rasterization performance vis a vis the outgoing model, i.e. 2080 vs 1080 and 2080 Ti vs 1080 Ti ? That's right, you have PAID MODERATORS ISSUE SHADOWBANS.
Let's do a quick inventory shall we?
We have Tom's Hardware blatant advertisement for Nvidia
We have Nvidia's overhanded NDA which stipulates identifying reviewers and then only supplying those review outlets that will give Nvidia's new product a favorable review at / before launch (The rest can wait until they can buy one, after all of the favorable reviews have been circulated)
We have solid examples of internet censorship, both my shadowban and the aformentioned OC.net locked thread "this isn't news"
We have leaked Futuremark 2080 bench that shows it being only 6% faster at 2GHz vs a 1080 Ti at 1850 MHz, clearly overclocked against a non OC'ed 1080 Ti.
I mean, it doesn't take a genius to understand what is happening here. That you respond with an accusation that I'm lying or that this is all hyperbole, this is quite insulting from someone who seems to be a long standing 3D Vision enthusiast and who is typically helpful.
Use your brain dude.
bo3b said:Well RageDemon managed to do it again- Destroyed any value of this thread with off-topic click-bait.
You guys crack me up. This whole NVidia conspiracy theory is the dumbest thing I've heard all week.
If you do your google research, you will find that ALL paths lead back to that single HardOCP article. HardOCP is mad at NVidia and deliberately trying to make them look bad, and you are really going to fall for that?
Look, NVidia is not a shining gem, but geez, can you at least attack them for something real, not some internet fantasy?
This is absolutely off-topic click-bait, deliberately designed to stoke your outrage. Don't fall for it.
These cards are going to ship in one month. Anybody and everybody will get to benchmark them to their hearts content.
What possible difference would it make for NVidia to stifle bad reviews right now? Are these early reviews somehow magical, and will set the tone for buying for the next two years? You think NVidia is so stupid that somehow they think that hammering early reviews will somehow change anything?
Either the cards work for people, or they don't, reviews aren't going to change anything.
Here's a thought that you should consider- maybe NVidia is not the bad actor here, and you are being played for the sap.
Maybe, just maybe, NVidia has those NDA's and gets names and addresses- because they want to enforce their review embargo. Because... they want every review site to have the same chance of success. If it's leak city, then people who follow the rules like AnandTech get shafted by bad actors like HardOCP.
Here's another thought- if these high and mighty review sites are so mad at NVidia, then why don't they buy their own cards, instead of getting NVidia freebies? They are getting freebies, and then somehow are mad that it comes with restrictions? GamersNexus specifically buys their own cards for this reason.
Come on people, use your brains, not your emotions.
Following up on my previous comment, here's a solid example of the paid moderator censorship that exists all over the internet, check this one out:
So a forum member posts about this Tom's Hardware article:
And look at what happens not even half a page into posting that, and let me point out that there are exactly zero other posts there relating to that Tom's Hardware paid advertisement hit piece.
"This is an example of what isn't news. Thread closed."
This isn't an example of news?
Let's see where the thread was posted
Overclock.net > Industry News > Hardware News
Again, there are exactly zero other posts that point to the Tom's Hardware paid advertisement. Zero.
This is actually news, and it's in the correct thread location so it's not off topic, and guess what happens? You guessed correctly, thread locked because "this isn't news".
I think you should learn about how the internet works:
These are just but a handful of examples of information control.
Guess what happens when you get someone like me who does the opposite, who challenges a carefully cultivated narrative, whether that's NGreedia wanting you to part with money for a half baked feature (Ray Farce) with maybe 25% increase in actual rasterization performance vis a vis the outgoing model, i.e. 2080 vs 1080 and 2080 Ti vs 1080 Ti ? That's right, you have PAID MODERATORS ISSUE SHADOWBANS.
Let's do a quick inventory shall we?
We have Tom's Hardware blatant advertisement for Nvidia
We have Nvidia's overhanded NDA which stipulates identifying reviewers and then only supplying those review outlets that will give Nvidia's new product a favorable review at / before launch (The rest can wait until they can buy one, after all of the favorable reviews have been circulated)
We have solid examples of internet censorship, both my shadowban and the aformentioned OC.net locked thread "this isn't news"
We have leaked Futuremark 2080 bench that shows it being only 6% faster at 2GHz vs a 1080 Ti at 1850 MHz, clearly overclocked against a non OC'ed 1080 Ti.
I mean, it doesn't take a genius to understand what is happening here. That you respond with an accusation that I'm lying or that this is all hyperbole, this is quite insulting from someone who seems to be a long standing 3D Vision enthusiast and who is typically helpful.
Use your brain dude.
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"NVIDIA has put together its own list of "approved reviewers," and sent their approved list back to the AIBs in order to let them know who they are allowed to sample review cards to"
So, Favourable towards nVidia = "approved reviewer"
Tell the truth, even if it's unfavourable ti nVidia = Blacklisted.
Wow.
The smell worsens...
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution/
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RAGE you beat me to it!
This crap is so disgusting I want to throw up.
Oh and leaked 2080 bench shows it some 6% faster than 1080 Ti, at 2000 MHz:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-3dmark-timespy-score-leaked-clocked-at-2ghz-and-beats-a-gtx-1080-ti-without-ai-cores/
I've been quite vocal over on reddit and come to find today, after noticing that I wasn't getting comment responses etc. that I was quietly shadowbanned for pointing to AdoredTV's work, the HardOCP ridiculous NDA article etc. I logged out of a thread where I had commented and I could no longer see any comments from that reddit handle, meaning I was shadowbanned.
This is how Nvidia is handling this, they are paying moderators to sit on Reddit and issue shadowbans and they are distributing hardware to "certified" reviewers and having everyone sign 5 year NDA's.
Watch 2080 Ti only be 30% faster than 1080 Ti.
What a circus. I am absolutely passing on Turing, I will not support a company that has zero integrity and transparency and who will flat out lie to it's consumer-base to get sales.
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https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14520125/fs/11807761#
Am I the only one to notice that RageDemon uses the Trumpian tactic of accusing people of the same bad behavior that he exhibits?
Maybe I'm the only one who cares, but this forum is completely toxic.
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None of this makes any logical sense at all.
NVidia will have zero control over anyone buying the card after it is released. If you just buy a card, you don't sign an NDA, right?
Why would they deliberately poison their reputation by shadowbanning or removing reviewers, when the truth will literally be out in a month?
This is more manufactured internet bullshit outrage. More off-topic click-bait.
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Manufactured?
Well I'm not lying, that's exactly what happened.
They offer up only 4k+HDR+G-Sync benchmarks comparing the 2080 to 1080, and we already know that Vega is faster than GTX 1080 at 4k because of memory bandwidth. 1.14% and shrinking are at 4K according to Steam Survey. 64% and growing are at 1080p. Is everyone in the market for an $800 GTX 2080 buying one of two 4K + HDR + G-Sync monitors (PG27UQ and X35) for $2500 before taxes? No, those who can swing $2500 on a monitor can also swing $1300 on a GPU. So why release 4K+HDR+G-Sync benchmarks when literally no-one this card was designed for is at that resolution, with an HDR panel? You only do that if you want to flat out overstate the performance disparity, which as AdoredTV has astutely elucidated, is probably somewhere around 20-25% at the resolution 99% of those intending to get this card are at, not the "50-125" that Nvidia is claiming.
So we have an egregious example of flat out lies on the part of Nvidia, and now they are basically going to attempt to censor review outlets who get early samples of the card (HardOCP article referred to above), sure, they won't be able to contain the fact that Turing is a middling cash grab architecture in AMD's absence, with assuredly faster cards on 12nm node waiting in the wings (watch them release the Titan card in 3 months that will truly be 50% faster than 1080 Ti / 2080 for $1200, then drop the price of 2080 Ti down to $800 just as they dropped the price of 1080 and 1070 when they released 1080 Ti) let alone 7nm Volta cards ready to go, prototypes of which certainly already exist in some R&D lab, they are just waiting to see what AMD has up their sleeve in 2019.
Is it any stretch to think that they would also have paid moderators on r/nvidia? Because there absolutely exist paid mods there, and I was absolutely banned for being vocal about all of this crap, and I absolutely have been shadowbanned.
Sure, after the cards are out, and 50% of those who pre-ordered don't cancel or return their cards within 30 days, and Nvidia has made their FE price premium cash grab, and the word is out from HardwareUnboxed, HardOCP, GamersNexus and other legit outlets that probably wont sign the NDA that 2080 is ~5% faster than 1080 Ti and can't do Ray Tracing to save it's life and youre better off with a $500 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti is ~30% faster than that and Ray Tracing is still too prohibitive of a feature to use even with that card and youre better off with two kidneys than a card 30% faster than a 1080 Ti, then yeah, they wont bother with soft-banning people on the internet.
Nvidia is in full blown damage control at the moment. Memes have absolutely developed that aren't in their favor, and they are absolutely trying to staunch the bleeding wherever they can, if that means paying overzealous fascistic mods on certain forums to ban the most vocal opponents of their tyranny, how is that a stretch considering the NDA debacle?
It's happening.
Nvidia is THAT dishonest.
I have removed the Nvidia logo wallpapers from Wallpaper Engine. That's where I stand right now with them. I'm actually considering selling both my AW3418DW and PG278Q if AMD can produce something faster than 1080 Ti that doesn't cost $1300. I will put that money towards a 3440x1440 curved Free-Sync variant of my AW3418DW and kiss 3D Vision goodbye.
I'm over it.
I DO NOT like what Nvidia is doing, and neither should you.
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I was actually leading a charge the other day to have AdoredTV unbanned from one of my favourite subreddits...
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/9affdj/adoredtv_is_banned_please_can_we_discuss/
650 comments and 21000 views later, democracy proved 55% in favour of lifting the ban - though something tells me the mods will still not lift it...
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You guys crack me up. This whole NVidia conspiracy theory is the dumbest thing I've heard all week.
If you do your google research, you will find that ALL paths lead back to that single HardOCP article. HardOCP is mad at NVidia and deliberately trying to make them look bad, and you are really going to fall for that?
Look, NVidia is not a shining gem, but geez, can you at least attack them for something real, not some internet fantasy?
This is absolutely off-topic click-bait, deliberately designed to stoke your outrage. Don't fall for it.
These cards are going to ship in one month. Anybody and everybody will get to benchmark them to their hearts content.
What possible difference would it make for NVidia to stifle bad reviews right now? Are these early reviews somehow magical, and will set the tone for buying for the next two years? You think NVidia is so stupid that somehow they think that hammering early reviews will somehow change anything?
Either the cards work for people, or they don't, reviews aren't going to change anything.
Here's a thought that you should consider- maybe NVidia is not the bad actor here, and you are being played for the sap.
Maybe, just maybe, NVidia has those NDA's and gets names and addresses- because they want to enforce their review embargo. Because... they want every review site to have the same chance of success. If it's leak city, then people who follow the rules like AnandTech get shafted by bad actors like HardOCP.
Here's another thought- if these high and mighty review sites are so mad at NVidia, then why don't they buy their own cards, instead of getting NVidia freebies? They are getting freebies, and then somehow are mad that it comes with restrictions? GamersNexus specifically buys their own cards for this reason.
Come on people, use your brains, not your emotions.
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They're not 'lying' about anything, it's just marketing and standard procedure. Literally, nothing to see here, please move on. It's like you say, the review NDA will be lifted soon and then everyone can decide what they want to do and either buy or not buy a new graphics card.
It's crazy how worked up people are getting. I think they're just angry because they're expensive!
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Yep exactly my thoughts too, agree with Bo3b 100%. Its all seems like standart marketing practices not some conspiracy stuff. And in the end video card is just another product, why get mad that some company sells just another product? I'm personally happy to have more choice when deciding what to buy. And I'll do it only when lots of independent reviews came out, and hopefully some from 3d forum stating performance improvements in 3d gaming :) But speaking about this exact generation of cards, I think omissiong of hdmi2.1 is the thing will make me skip this generation. I somehow think that soon we will have 120hz tvs/projectors, and that should translate to much better overall pc experience.
How can a thread on ground loops be ignorant to electrical engineering?
That makes no sense, like most of your other posts!
Just for the record, I actually do have a degree in audio engineering.
That’s how I reached the conclusion in the thread.
Maybe you should go back to primary school so you can learn how to use the forum search function?
You could also learn how to do your research on a subject so you don’t make yourself look like a plonker, running your mouth off, when you don’t know diddly squat about the subject at hand.
Just a suggestion to help you save face from now on.
You really are an assumptious fool.
It’s not taken long for everyone to work out that you’re not the fountain of knowledge you think you are!
Why are stupid people the most confident/vocal?
Maybe when you grow up you’ll be able to see past your own opinions.
One day you’ll work it out.
You’re obviously young, there’s hope for you yet.
Does your home theatre comprise of ‘active’ studio monitors?
Do you use fully ‘balanced’ XLR audio cables, with ‘balanced’ outputs and inputs?
Do you know what balanced audio connectors are and why they are used?
Or are you using a run of the mill amp with passive speakers that is a totally different, alas irrelevant, and thus incomparable setup?
Do you know what a ground loop actually is?
Do you know what electromagnetic interference is?
Read the thread on nvidia ground loops before you post again,as everything you have said so far is the equivalent to a troll dribbling........
Any game developer (worth their salt) will be working on active studio monitors.
The only way to bitstream Dolby atmos and DTSX on a PC is over HDMI.
When dice sit there with starwars and battlefield to check the Dolby atmos mix I guarantee that same noise will be there for them too.
Now please stop posting crap on the forums and stop giving out ‘advice’ (read misinformation) about subjects you clearly know nothing about.
I agree with bo3b and rustyk21 people are just bitter about the price.
It’ll be the best gpu upgrade in years, maybe a decade.
I bet nvidia didn’t support hdmi 2.1 as it has Freesync support built in!
The bastards!
Generally, Day 1 reviews control the entire marketing cycle for the life of the GPU, as most of the big reviewers are Day 1, and most people do not wait for 3rd party un-coloured benchmarks. It is, therefore, in both NVidia and AMD's best interests to control Day 1 benchmarks as closely as possible, and it's interesting to note that, being a typical profit chasing company, AMD too restrict AIBs from sending out review samples, unless it was *officially* through them, to pre-selected reviewers.
AMD go one step beyond If I recall correctly - they actually determine which samples go to which reviewer. They actually blacklisted [H]OCP and Hardware Canucks for their 'mediocre' reviews of DAAMIT products. It's great that a lot of people here will wait for proper reviews after actual launch from people who bought the hardware with their own money. I do wonder if there will be much difference between the Day One reviews and the people who purchased the cards themselves however.
One of my personal reasons for upgrading perhaps more often than I should, is that the previous gen's prices drop significantly, as the new generation takes a hold of the market. It is therefore prudent to sell old cards as soon as new cards hit the market, even if they don't quite deliver.
However, it looks like this time, the 10XX series pricing might remain quite high depending on how desperately the AIBs want to get rid of their overstock; though I do wonder how ex-miners flooding the market with 1070s and 1080s will affect this. The plot thickens...
@GibsonRed: You are referring to the Dunning–Kruger effect mate, and it is very real ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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3D Vision seems to be supported by the new RTX cards! :)
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/3d-vision/supported-gpus
I've asked our good man Ray@NVidia to kindly elaborate; let's see if he can tell us more...
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Following up on my previous comment, here's a solid example of the paid moderator censorship that exists all over the internet, check this one out:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/225-hardware-news/1706686-tomshw-just-buy-why-nvidia-rtx-gpus-worth-money.html
So a forum member posts about this Tom's Hardware article:
And look at what happens not even half a page into posting that, and let me point out that there are exactly zero other posts there relating to that Tom's Hardware paid advertisement hit piece.
"This is an example of what isn't news. Thread closed."
This isn't an example of news?
Let's see where the thread was posted
Overclock.net > Industry News > Hardware News
Again, there are exactly zero other posts that point to the Tom's Hardware paid advertisement. Zero.
This is actually news, and it's in the correct thread location so it's not off topic, and guess what happens? You guessed correctly, thread locked because "this isn't news".
I think you should learn about how the internet works:
https://wakeup-world.com/2012/10/03/pay-for-comments-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-internet-shill/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/7fc70o/reddit_shill_explains_how_theyre_paid_to/
https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/31wo57/the_chevron_tapes_video_shows_oil_giant_allegedly/cq5uhse/
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2376-i-get-paid-to-write-fake-reviews-amazon.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgregor/2017/02/20/reddit-is-being-manipulated-by-big-financial-services-companies/#278c3b334c92
https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/wikipedia-is-an-establishment-psyop-c352c0d2faf
These are just but a handful of examples of information control.
Guess what happens when you get someone like me who does the opposite, who challenges a carefully cultivated narrative, whether that's NGreedia wanting you to part with money for a half baked feature (Ray Farce) with maybe 25% increase in actual rasterization performance vis a vis the outgoing model, i.e. 2080 vs 1080 and 2080 Ti vs 1080 Ti ? That's right, you have PAID MODERATORS ISSUE SHADOWBANS.
Let's do a quick inventory shall we?
We have Tom's Hardware blatant advertisement for Nvidia
We have Nvidia's overhanded NDA which stipulates identifying reviewers and then only supplying those review outlets that will give Nvidia's new product a favorable review at / before launch (The rest can wait until they can buy one, after all of the favorable reviews have been circulated)
We have solid examples of internet censorship, both my shadowban and the aformentioned OC.net locked thread "this isn't news"
We have leaked Futuremark 2080 bench that shows it being only 6% faster at 2GHz vs a 1080 Ti at 1850 MHz, clearly overclocked against a non OC'ed 1080 Ti.
I mean, it doesn't take a genius to understand what is happening here. That you respond with an accusation that I'm lying or that this is all hyperbole, this is quite insulting from someone who seems to be a long standing 3D Vision enthusiast and who is typically helpful.
Use your brain dude.
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