Windows 8.1 or 10 - exclusively for 3D Vision gaming - need help
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As a general rule, I think that Win10 is working OK with 3D Vision, without too much trouble. You will have assorted glitches that don't happen on Win7. For people locked into it because of Microsoft being total fuckwads about CPUs, it should still be viable.
As to the OP, it depends upon whether you love the OS more than 3D. If you love 3D more, you are better off with 8.1, because it has the same underlying structure and is still supported. They also have no interest in updating 8.1 with random changes, so it should be a more stable platform for 3D, introducing fewer random problems to solve.
Except for new CPUs. For socket 2066, I think you are SOL, and get to run Win10.
My reason for not wanting to use Windows 10 is because of it arbitrarily and endlessly generating random problems for me to solve. I don't have the time, and the time I do have I want to spend on real 3D problems, not the latest bullshit from Microsoft. And now they threaten to do major updates twice a year. Yeah, great.
Because of that, you guys doing 'upgrades' to Creator's Edition really burn my shorts, because you are just generating more problems for us to solve. I know you could care less about ShaderHacker time, because we are just some dudes on the internet that you don't care about, and it's not your personal time. If you have even the tiniest amount of patience, most of the early adopter problems are solved, and we can concentrate on real problems, not stupid buggy code.
I just don't get why you all are more interested in the OS than in 3D Vision. I didn't buy the computer to run Windows, I bought it to run 3D.
Everyone fell for that "free"-OS scam, so they reached critical mass. Now that they own everyone, they can continue to tighten the screws down and get closer to their console ideal where they get to decide what you are allowed to run.
I don't disagree that resistance is futile, the borg has said we get to use Win10 and you better damn well like it, and always respond "Sir, yes sir!" I dunno, I think I'm done. Fuck Microsoft.
As a general rule, I think that Win10 is working OK with 3D Vision, without too much trouble. You will have assorted glitches that don't happen on Win7. For people locked into it because of Microsoft being total fuckwads about CPUs, it should still be viable.
As to the OP, it depends upon whether you love the OS more than 3D. If you love 3D more, you are better off with 8.1, because it has the same underlying structure and is still supported. They also have no interest in updating 8.1 with random changes, so it should be a more stable platform for 3D, introducing fewer random problems to solve.
Except for new CPUs. For socket 2066, I think you are SOL, and get to run Win10.
My reason for not wanting to use Windows 10 is because of it arbitrarily and endlessly generating random problems for me to solve. I don't have the time, and the time I do have I want to spend on real 3D problems, not the latest bullshit from Microsoft. And now they threaten to do major updates twice a year. Yeah, great.
Because of that, you guys doing 'upgrades' to Creator's Edition really burn my shorts, because you are just generating more problems for us to solve. I know you could care less about ShaderHacker time, because we are just some dudes on the internet that you don't care about, and it's not your personal time. If you have even the tiniest amount of patience, most of the early adopter problems are solved, and we can concentrate on real problems, not stupid buggy code.
I just don't get why you all are more interested in the OS than in 3D Vision. I didn't buy the computer to run Windows, I bought it to run 3D.
Everyone fell for that "free"-OS scam, so they reached critical mass. Now that they own everyone, they can continue to tighten the screws down and get closer to their console ideal where they get to decide what you are allowed to run.
I don't disagree that resistance is futile, the borg has said we get to use Win10 and you better damn well like it, and always respond "Sir, yes sir!" I dunno, I think I'm done. Fuck Microsoft.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
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I think people tend to go for the newest features in any area of PC gaming and software, especially if it's something free. We all want the latest stuff and personally I installed Win 10 just for the DX12 compatibility but overall I'm really liking the OS and I haven't encountered any major problems until now.. well maybe just two or three I think lol
But yea I know that it takes a lot more time fixing issues under Win 10 so I definitely understand that not everyone wants to go through more and more work whenever a new update comes out.
I think people tend to go for the newest features in any area of PC gaming and software, especially if it's something free. We all want the latest stuff and personally I installed Win 10 just for the DX12 compatibility but overall I'm really liking the OS and I haven't encountered any major problems until now.. well maybe just two or three I think lol
But yea I know that it takes a lot more time fixing issues under Win 10 so I definitely understand that not everyone wants to go through more and more work whenever a new update comes out.
Joker you are the first persona I have seen at least on these boards for 3dvision say they get better performance in windows 10 for games other than 7, I know I certainly don't. I generally get 3-5 more frames in windows 7 3dvision depending on the game's
I've personally come across some real nightmares which has lead me to have to reinstall the OS. (something I am usually loathe to do, to fix something)
Boot times being fast appears to only be because of the OS basically forces a weird form of hibernation on you, and I have turned it off because it was causing some other problems. Also if you run a dual boot or imaging software with boot time recovery those fast boot times kinda go out the window.
Yes 10 has safe mode.
The confusion about no exclusive full screen is only in regard to store games. Which are generally cancer anyway and most that aren't xbox games come out on steam anyway.
Joker you are the first persona I have seen at least on these boards for 3dvision say they get better performance in windows 10 for games other than 7, I know I certainly don't. I generally get 3-5 more frames in windows 7 3dvision depending on the game's
I've personally come across some real nightmares which has lead me to have to reinstall the OS. (something I am usually loathe to do, to fix something)
Boot times being fast appears to only be because of the OS basically forces a weird form of hibernation on you, and I have turned it off because it was causing some other problems. Also if you run a dual boot or imaging software with boot time recovery those fast boot times kinda go out the window.
Yes 10 has safe mode.
The confusion about no exclusive full screen is only in regard to store games. Which are generally cancer anyway and most that aren't xbox games come out on steam anyway.
i7-4790K CPU 4.8Ghz stable overclock.
16 GB RAM Corsair
EVGA 1080TI SLI
Samsung SSD 840Pro
ASUS Z97-WS
3D Surround ASUS Rog Swift PG278Q(R), 2x PG278Q (yes it works)
Obutto R3volution.
Windows 10 pro 64x (Windows 7 Dual boot)
[quote="bo3b"]I don't disagree that resistance is futile, the borg has said we get to use Win 10 and you better damn well like it, and always respond "Sir, yes sir!" I dunno, I think I'm done. Fuck Microsoft.[/quote]
Thanks to the OP for raising this query.
Bo3b, I'm completely on board with your own sentiment regarding the way Microsoft are now essentially telling users what's best for them with their emphasis on forced updates via Win 10. What some would define as borg-like compliance others would define it as simple pragmatism, given the way that software is now increasingly and inextricably being linked with hardware and also with API's like DX12.
My own approach to playing games in stereo 3D has been based entirely upon system stability, as opposed to system versatility or system functionality. Because I'd never updated either Win 7 or Win 8.0 on my current dual-boot setup, I never got bombarded with prompts from Microsoft telling me to upgrade to Win 10. Just so long as I got as many of my games working in stereo 3D as possible I couldn't have cared less, and that's the way that it has stayed. As an observation, increased comparative performance of Win 7 over Win 8.0 has certainly been present in my own experience, but it's been marginal.
I WAS..looking to put together another dual-boot setup based on either Win 8.0 or Win 8.1, in addition to Win 10 at some point, and since I'd personally never experienced any problems with Win 8.0 in 3D/SLI, I thought it was a fairly straightforward decision to buy a copy of Win 8.1 and also Win 10, which I did. Another reason for going the Win 8.0/8.1 route, was for the 3 years extra security update coverage, should I ever require it.
Some here have commented that Win 8.1 has worked fine for them for 3D. My question here is, does Win 8.1 work both in SLI and in 3D using just a single monitor, as opposed to Win 8.0? Have those problems been remedied by updates from Microsoft? Since I still use Win 8.0, I simply wouldn't know. Original disk copies of Windows 8.0 that are still available for sale, are fairly rare nowadays and they aren't cheap either, if that was ever a required option.
Microsoft states that Win 8.0/8.1 is better optimized for multi-monitor setups in comparison to Win 7, which is a nice option to consider, assuming once again that such a setup would also work in 3D. Given that some here use a multi-monitor setup in 3D on Win 10, I'll have to assume that it would work on Win 8.1 too. Once again though, it's guesswork at the moment.
Bo3b, you are without a doubt, the beating heart of this community, and it would be a sad day indeed for one such as yourself to finally lose your enthusiasm for 3D fixes due to this specific issue. I fully appreciate that your time and effort is given voluntarily, and that you are in a fortunate enough position to be able to do that. For others on here who evidently also have great talent, but where money certainly helps pay the bills, most probably still don't get paid enough for what they also bring to this community.
I for one would be more than happy to continue playing games in stereo 3D on either 8.0 or 8.1, if it made your life as a fixer any easier.
bo3b said:I don't disagree that resistance is futile, the borg has said we get to use Win 10 and you better damn well like it, and always respond "Sir, yes sir!" I dunno, I think I'm done. Fuck Microsoft.
Thanks to the OP for raising this query.
Bo3b, I'm completely on board with your own sentiment regarding the way Microsoft are now essentially telling users what's best for them with their emphasis on forced updates via Win 10. What some would define as borg-like compliance others would define it as simple pragmatism, given the way that software is now increasingly and inextricably being linked with hardware and also with API's like DX12.
My own approach to playing games in stereo 3D has been based entirely upon system stability, as opposed to system versatility or system functionality. Because I'd never updated either Win 7 or Win 8.0 on my current dual-boot setup, I never got bombarded with prompts from Microsoft telling me to upgrade to Win 10. Just so long as I got as many of my games working in stereo 3D as possible I couldn't have cared less, and that's the way that it has stayed. As an observation, increased comparative performance of Win 7 over Win 8.0 has certainly been present in my own experience, but it's been marginal.
I WAS..looking to put together another dual-boot setup based on either Win 8.0 or Win 8.1, in addition to Win 10 at some point, and since I'd personally never experienced any problems with Win 8.0 in 3D/SLI, I thought it was a fairly straightforward decision to buy a copy of Win 8.1 and also Win 10, which I did. Another reason for going the Win 8.0/8.1 route, was for the 3 years extra security update coverage, should I ever require it.
Some here have commented that Win 8.1 has worked fine for them for 3D. My question here is, does Win 8.1 work both in SLI and in 3D using just a single monitor, as opposed to Win 8.0? Have those problems been remedied by updates from Microsoft? Since I still use Win 8.0, I simply wouldn't know. Original disk copies of Windows 8.0 that are still available for sale, are fairly rare nowadays and they aren't cheap either, if that was ever a required option.
Microsoft states that Win 8.0/8.1 is better optimized for multi-monitor setups in comparison to Win 7, which is a nice option to consider, assuming once again that such a setup would also work in 3D. Given that some here use a multi-monitor setup in 3D on Win 10, I'll have to assume that it would work on Win 8.1 too. Once again though, it's guesswork at the moment.
Bo3b, you are without a doubt, the beating heart of this community, and it would be a sad day indeed for one such as yourself to finally lose your enthusiasm for 3D fixes due to this specific issue. I fully appreciate that your time and effort is given voluntarily, and that you are in a fortunate enough position to be able to do that. For others on here who evidently also have great talent, but where money certainly helps pay the bills, most probably still don't get paid enough for what they also bring to this community.
I for one would be more than happy to continue playing games in stereo 3D on either 8.0 or 8.1, if it made your life as a fixer any easier.
When I saw UWP mentioned for the first time, the voice in my head started screaming "Nooooooooooooo, not GFWL all over again"
No one ever "really" liked GFWL, it was nice for achievements, but otherwise sucked. The way that they abandoned it, leaving developers to patch it out of their games was messed up. Games that relied on their on-line store for DLC purchases borked customers, because the DLC is no longer available. The least they could have done, was to work with developers for game of the year editions. Now there's no way to get the DLC. Thankfully, some developers patched it out and found alternative solutions for DLC and on-line multi-player servers. Thanks Microsoft, loving you more.
What they truly want, is a closed ecosystem, with a pay by month subscription for gaming, movies, music and their OS. All those millions that they are losing, because PC players do not have to buy "Gold Subscription"
They still want a GFWL/Live environment for PC
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When I saw UWP mentioned for the first time, the voice in my head started screaming "Nooooooooooooo, not GFWL all over again"
No one ever "really" liked GFWL, it was nice for achievements, but otherwise sucked. The way that they abandoned it, leaving developers to patch it out of their games was messed up. Games that relied on their on-line store for DLC purchases borked customers, because the DLC is no longer available. The least they could have done, was to work with developers for game of the year editions. Now there's no way to get the DLC. Thankfully, some developers patched it out and found alternative solutions for DLC and on-line multi-player servers. Thanks Microsoft, loving you more.
What they truly want, is a closed ecosystem, with a pay by month subscription for gaming, movies, music and their OS. All those millions that they are losing, because PC players do not have to buy "Gold Subscription"
Thank you all for the input and sharing your experiences of 3D Vision on Windows 10. That gave me a pretty good idea of what to expect and what route to take on my next upgrade.
I totally agree with bo3b. Windows 10's forced updates constantly introduce new bugs and glitches that the 3D community have to put up with. It's a waste of time for our brightest minds who keep this community alive. Instead of fixing new games they're wasting time updating otherwise perfectly working fixes. Just as ToThePoint mentioned, I'm also mainly focused on system stability rather than noncritical updates and unneeded features. My PC is built entirely for 3D Vision and VR gaming.
Having said that, the unfortunate truth is that new system builders have no choice. I have to choose either - A Windows 8.1 vulnerable system with no security updates that works flawlessly with 3D Vision - Or - An updated secure Windows 10 that keeps throwing 3D glitches at me. It's sad to say we can't avoid the inevitable. Mainstream support for Windows 8.1 will end in 2018; new system builders continue to adopt Windows 10; work-arounds to unlock Windows 8.1 update may be blocked in a future update by Micro$oft; and we don't know what other desperate measures Micro$oft will take to force people to bend for Windows 10. Soon we'll find ourselves forced to keep 3D alive and stable on an unstable and ever changing Windows 10, or risk using unpatched unsupported outdated Windows versions :(
I'll have to install Windows 10. Based on all feedback here and as bo3b mentioned, it still works reasonably well with 3D. Dual boot is still an open option but lack of security update is a real risk. However, I won't update my Windows unless I'm forced to. No Anniversary crap or Creators shit.
Once again thank you all for helping me on this :)
Thank you all for the input and sharing your experiences of 3D Vision on Windows 10. That gave me a pretty good idea of what to expect and what route to take on my next upgrade.
I totally agree with bo3b. Windows 10's forced updates constantly introduce new bugs and glitches that the 3D community have to put up with. It's a waste of time for our brightest minds who keep this community alive. Instead of fixing new games they're wasting time updating otherwise perfectly working fixes. Just as ToThePoint mentioned, I'm also mainly focused on system stability rather than noncritical updates and unneeded features. My PC is built entirely for 3D Vision and VR gaming.
Having said that, the unfortunate truth is that new system builders have no choice. I have to choose either - A Windows 8.1 vulnerable system with no security updates that works flawlessly with 3D Vision - Or - An updated secure Windows 10 that keeps throwing 3D glitches at me. It's sad to say we can't avoid the inevitable. Mainstream support for Windows 8.1 will end in 2018; new system builders continue to adopt Windows 10; work-arounds to unlock Windows 8.1 update may be blocked in a future update by Micro$oft; and we don't know what other desperate measures Micro$oft will take to force people to bend for Windows 10. Soon we'll find ourselves forced to keep 3D alive and stable on an unstable and ever changing Windows 10, or risk using unpatched unsupported outdated Windows versions :(
I'll have to install Windows 10. Based on all feedback here and as bo3b mentioned, it still works reasonably well with 3D. Dual boot is still an open option but lack of security update is a real risk. However, I won't update my Windows unless I'm forced to. No Anniversary crap or Creators shit.
Once again thank you all for helping me on this :)
As to the OP, it depends upon whether you love the OS more than 3D. If you love 3D more, you are better off with 8.1, because it has the same underlying structure and is still supported. They also have no interest in updating 8.1 with random changes, so it should be a more stable platform for 3D, introducing fewer random problems to solve.
Except for new CPUs. For socket 2066, I think you are SOL, and get to run Win10.
My reason for not wanting to use Windows 10 is because of it arbitrarily and endlessly generating random problems for me to solve. I don't have the time, and the time I do have I want to spend on real 3D problems, not the latest bullshit from Microsoft. And now they threaten to do major updates twice a year. Yeah, great.
Because of that, you guys doing 'upgrades' to Creator's Edition really burn my shorts, because you are just generating more problems for us to solve. I know you could care less about ShaderHacker time, because we are just some dudes on the internet that you don't care about, and it's not your personal time. If you have even the tiniest amount of patience, most of the early adopter problems are solved, and we can concentrate on real problems, not stupid buggy code.
I just don't get why you all are more interested in the OS than in 3D Vision. I didn't buy the computer to run Windows, I bought it to run 3D.
Everyone fell for that "free"-OS scam, so they reached critical mass. Now that they own everyone, they can continue to tighten the screws down and get closer to their console ideal where they get to decide what you are allowed to run.
I don't disagree that resistance is futile, the borg has said we get to use Win10 and you better damn well like it, and always respond "Sir, yes sir!" I dunno, I think I'm done. Fuck Microsoft.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
But yea I know that it takes a lot more time fixing issues under Win 10 so I definitely understand that not everyone wants to go through more and more work whenever a new update comes out.
I've personally come across some real nightmares which has lead me to have to reinstall the OS. (something I am usually loathe to do, to fix something)
Boot times being fast appears to only be because of the OS basically forces a weird form of hibernation on you, and I have turned it off because it was causing some other problems. Also if you run a dual boot or imaging software with boot time recovery those fast boot times kinda go out the window.
Yes 10 has safe mode.
The confusion about no exclusive full screen is only in regard to store games. Which are generally cancer anyway and most that aren't xbox games come out on steam anyway.
i7-4790K CPU 4.8Ghz stable overclock.
16 GB RAM Corsair
EVGA 1080TI SLI
Samsung SSD 840Pro
ASUS Z97-WS
3D Surround ASUS Rog Swift PG278Q(R), 2x PG278Q (yes it works)
Obutto R3volution.
Windows 10 pro 64x (Windows 7 Dual boot)
Thanks to the OP for raising this query.
Bo3b, I'm completely on board with your own sentiment regarding the way Microsoft are now essentially telling users what's best for them with their emphasis on forced updates via Win 10. What some would define as borg-like compliance others would define it as simple pragmatism, given the way that software is now increasingly and inextricably being linked with hardware and also with API's like DX12.
My own approach to playing games in stereo 3D has been based entirely upon system stability, as opposed to system versatility or system functionality. Because I'd never updated either Win 7 or Win 8.0 on my current dual-boot setup, I never got bombarded with prompts from Microsoft telling me to upgrade to Win 10. Just so long as I got as many of my games working in stereo 3D as possible I couldn't have cared less, and that's the way that it has stayed. As an observation, increased comparative performance of Win 7 over Win 8.0 has certainly been present in my own experience, but it's been marginal.
I WAS..looking to put together another dual-boot setup based on either Win 8.0 or Win 8.1, in addition to Win 10 at some point, and since I'd personally never experienced any problems with Win 8.0 in 3D/SLI, I thought it was a fairly straightforward decision to buy a copy of Win 8.1 and also Win 10, which I did. Another reason for going the Win 8.0/8.1 route, was for the 3 years extra security update coverage, should I ever require it.
Some here have commented that Win 8.1 has worked fine for them for 3D. My question here is, does Win 8.1 work both in SLI and in 3D using just a single monitor, as opposed to Win 8.0? Have those problems been remedied by updates from Microsoft? Since I still use Win 8.0, I simply wouldn't know. Original disk copies of Windows 8.0 that are still available for sale, are fairly rare nowadays and they aren't cheap either, if that was ever a required option.
Microsoft states that Win 8.0/8.1 is better optimized for multi-monitor setups in comparison to Win 7, which is a nice option to consider, assuming once again that such a setup would also work in 3D. Given that some here use a multi-monitor setup in 3D on Win 10, I'll have to assume that it would work on Win 8.1 too. Once again though, it's guesswork at the moment.
Bo3b, you are without a doubt, the beating heart of this community, and it would be a sad day indeed for one such as yourself to finally lose your enthusiasm for 3D fixes due to this specific issue. I fully appreciate that your time and effort is given voluntarily, and that you are in a fortunate enough position to be able to do that. For others on here who evidently also have great talent, but where money certainly helps pay the bills, most probably still don't get paid enough for what they also bring to this community.
I for one would be more than happy to continue playing games in stereo 3D on either 8.0 or 8.1, if it made your life as a fixer any easier.
Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz, 3x GTX Titan, 16GB Tactical Tracer LED, CPU/GPU Dual-Loop Water-Cooled - Driver 331.82, DX11.0
No one ever "really" liked GFWL, it was nice for achievements, but otherwise sucked. The way that they abandoned it, leaving developers to patch it out of their games was messed up. Games that relied on their on-line store for DLC purchases borked customers, because the DLC is no longer available. The least they could have done, was to work with developers for game of the year editions. Now there's no way to get the DLC. Thankfully, some developers patched it out and found alternative solutions for DLC and on-line multi-player servers. Thanks Microsoft, loving you more.
What they truly want, is a closed ecosystem, with a pay by month subscription for gaming, movies, music and their OS. All those millions that they are losing, because PC players do not have to buy "Gold Subscription"
They still want a GFWL/Live environment for PC
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I totally agree with bo3b. Windows 10's forced updates constantly introduce new bugs and glitches that the 3D community have to put up with. It's a waste of time for our brightest minds who keep this community alive. Instead of fixing new games they're wasting time updating otherwise perfectly working fixes. Just as ToThePoint mentioned, I'm also mainly focused on system stability rather than noncritical updates and unneeded features. My PC is built entirely for 3D Vision and VR gaming.
Having said that, the unfortunate truth is that new system builders have no choice. I have to choose either - A Windows 8.1 vulnerable system with no security updates that works flawlessly with 3D Vision - Or - An updated secure Windows 10 that keeps throwing 3D glitches at me. It's sad to say we can't avoid the inevitable. Mainstream support for Windows 8.1 will end in 2018; new system builders continue to adopt Windows 10; work-arounds to unlock Windows 8.1 update may be blocked in a future update by Micro$oft; and we don't know what other desperate measures Micro$oft will take to force people to bend for Windows 10. Soon we'll find ourselves forced to keep 3D alive and stable on an unstable and ever changing Windows 10, or risk using unpatched unsupported outdated Windows versions :(
I'll have to install Windows 10. Based on all feedback here and as bo3b mentioned, it still works reasonably well with 3D. Dual boot is still an open option but lack of security update is a real risk. However, I won't update my Windows unless I'm forced to. No Anniversary crap or Creators shit.
Once again thank you all for helping me on this :)