Oh btw, if someone needed to increase their depth, eqzitara posted a file to max it out. There really wouldn't be any reason to use this EDID file to max it out because it would make the display you are using output as a Passive display renderer.
Oh btw, if someone needed to increase their depth, eqzitara posted a file to max it out. There really wouldn't be any reason to use this EDID file to max it out because it would make the display you are using output as a Passive display renderer.
[quote="ToThePoint"][quote="deathadda88"]I get 1080 @ 60hz per eye in 3D interleave passive mode. If I use it like Nvidia wants me to, I can only get the inferior solutions because of the limits of HDMI 1.4 on my 3D TV (apparently).
I, however use the EDID that pretends my TV is an Acer 3D monitor, hence I get absolutely 0 lag at 60hz 1080p 3d gaming....this means that it is a software lock. I am still obviously using the exact same hardware that Nvidia claims can't support such things their monitors can.[/quote]
Very interesting. I'll certainly look into that as an option, thank you. We can all agree at least, that as rustyk already stated, the whole thing is a mess.[/quote]
I don't know exactly what display device you both have, but if you're getting 0 lag then you're probably using 3d vision, not 3dtv play and I know some time ago someone did an EDID override for interleaved modes as I think in the early days there were some 3d vision certified displays that were passive rather than active, and passive is interleaved therefore has lower bandwidth requirements and is not 'full frame'.
3DTV play is designed specifically for HDTV/Projectors and supports the mandatory HDMI 1.4 frame packing standards. With most sets it's laggy as well due to the extra input processing, which is why for example when ACER replaced the H5360 (3d vision frame sequential) with the BD version which only supports 3d tv play, people complained. Also, you're limited to 1280x720x120Hz or 1920x1080x24Hz. I know 1920x1080x30Hz is possible via HDMI but needs a hack and yes, you can argue that is a software lock.
Of course, an EDID override will enable true 120HZ frame sequential input aka "3d vision" because the drivers think it's a certified 3d vision display, BUT, you still limited due to the hardware bandwidth constraints of HDMI, so if you create custom resolutions you will hit a hard limit of the modes that will work.
With HDTVs, plasmas always supported 200hz/400hz whatever, but that's how the display panel is driven, they still generally won't allow a true 120Hz input and certainly not when in 3dtvplay mode. With LCDs and backlight strobing, a lot of TV's say they are 100/200Hz, but again, there is no true input path to allow a full 1080p full frame 3d 60hz signal to be displayed.
I mentioned blurbusters just to show that some displays do include the necessary HDMI hardware that will support the bandwidth required to display a full frame signal at high enough frequencies. You'll still be outside of the realms of the framepacking standards and you'd still need to use an EDID to enable 3d vision mode though.
Bit of a brain dump and probably haven't explained everything very well but I know what I mean :-)
Happy to be proven wrong and I know I haven't linked to any other articles but this is pretty close to my heart and I think I do know what I'm talking about.
Anyway, maybe, just maybe, someone from Nvidia will step in and tell us what new modes they will support and on what displays. Like I said though, from a display device point of view things are a mess as well, as HDMI 2.0 doesn't really have a mandatory baseline for functionality and it's up to the individual manufacturers what they support.
deathadda88 said:I get 1080 @ 60hz per eye in 3D interleave passive mode. If I use it like Nvidia wants me to, I can only get the inferior solutions because of the limits of HDMI 1.4 on my 3D TV (apparently).
I, however use the EDID that pretends my TV is an Acer 3D monitor, hence I get absolutely 0 lag at 60hz 1080p 3d gaming....this means that it is a software lock. I am still obviously using the exact same hardware that Nvidia claims can't support such things their monitors can.
Very interesting. I'll certainly look into that as an option, thank you. We can all agree at least, that as rustyk already stated, the whole thing is a mess.
I don't know exactly what display device you both have, but if you're getting 0 lag then you're probably using 3d vision, not 3dtv play and I know some time ago someone did an EDID override for interleaved modes as I think in the early days there were some 3d vision certified displays that were passive rather than active, and passive is interleaved therefore has lower bandwidth requirements and is not 'full frame'.
3DTV play is designed specifically for HDTV/Projectors and supports the mandatory HDMI 1.4 frame packing standards. With most sets it's laggy as well due to the extra input processing, which is why for example when ACER replaced the H5360 (3d vision frame sequential) with the BD version which only supports 3d tv play, people complained. Also, you're limited to 1280x720x120Hz or 1920x1080x24Hz. I know 1920x1080x30Hz is possible via HDMI but needs a hack and yes, you can argue that is a software lock.
Of course, an EDID override will enable true 120HZ frame sequential input aka "3d vision" because the drivers think it's a certified 3d vision display, BUT, you still limited due to the hardware bandwidth constraints of HDMI, so if you create custom resolutions you will hit a hard limit of the modes that will work.
With HDTVs, plasmas always supported 200hz/400hz whatever, but that's how the display panel is driven, they still generally won't allow a true 120Hz input and certainly not when in 3dtvplay mode. With LCDs and backlight strobing, a lot of TV's say they are 100/200Hz, but again, there is no true input path to allow a full 1080p full frame 3d 60hz signal to be displayed.
I mentioned blurbusters just to show that some displays do include the necessary HDMI hardware that will support the bandwidth required to display a full frame signal at high enough frequencies. You'll still be outside of the realms of the framepacking standards and you'd still need to use an EDID to enable 3d vision mode though.
Bit of a brain dump and probably haven't explained everything very well but I know what I mean :-)
Happy to be proven wrong and I know I haven't linked to any other articles but this is pretty close to my heart and I think I do know what I'm talking about.
Anyway, maybe, just maybe, someone from Nvidia will step in and tell us what new modes they will support and on what displays. Like I said though, from a display device point of view things are a mess as well, as HDMI 2.0 doesn't really have a mandatory baseline for functionality and it's up to the individual manufacturers what they support.
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If a Nvidia card supports HDMI 2.0, then the only other piece of the puzzle is the display. If you have time you might shoot some emails to your favorite display maker. Making any noise we can could help.
If a Nvidia card supports HDMI 2.0, then the only other piece of the puzzle is the display. If you have time you might shoot some emails to your favorite display maker. Making any noise we can could help.
I know Vizio was touting their 4K sets would have a gaming mode that accepted 120hz input at 1080p. I think they're getting ready to be released (50 inch starts at 999.99.)
I still wouldn't expect any official support. It'll be interesting if EDID hacks work, but I wouldn't expect any support unless these manufacturers pay for it (seems like it would compete with the monitor manufacturers who are paying Nvidia for the 3D Vision moniker. Which is the same reason Samsung monitors couldn't work with 3D Vision.)
I know Vizio was touting their 4K sets would have a gaming mode that accepted 120hz input at 1080p. I think they're getting ready to be released (50 inch starts at 999.99.)
I still wouldn't expect any official support. It'll be interesting if EDID hacks work, but I wouldn't expect any support unless these manufacturers pay for it (seems like it would compete with the monitor manufacturers who are paying Nvidia for the 3D Vision moniker. Which is the same reason Samsung monitors couldn't work with 3D Vision.)
[quote="zig11727"]Does Vizio even support 3D in there new sets ? [/quote]
No. I thought you guys were talking about doing an EDID hack to make a 1080p@120hz device show up as a 3D Vision device.
3D Play isn't going to matter unless Nvidia releases an update to the software. Right now the limitations are purely because Nvidia doesn't want to allow higher than 24hz @1080p with 3D Play.
zig11727 said:Does Vizio even support 3D in there new sets ?
No. I thought you guys were talking about doing an EDID hack to make a 1080p@120hz device show up as a 3D Vision device.
3D Play isn't going to matter unless Nvidia releases an update to the software. Right now the limitations are purely because Nvidia doesn't want to allow higher than 24hz @1080p with 3D Play.
[quote="Paul33993"][quote="zig11727"]Does Vizio even support 3D in there new sets ? [/quote]
No. I thought you guys were talking about doing an EDID hack to make a 1080p@120hz device show up as a 3D Vision device.
3D Play isn't going to matter unless Nvidia releases an update to the software. Right now the limitations are purely because Nvidia doesn't want to allow higher than 24hz @1080p with 3D Play.[/quote]
You're right about the EDID hack, in theory it's possible with anything. 3dtv play isn't going to improve unless Nvidia do something, but they're not the only ones to blame, that's the point I'm making.
zig11727 said:Does Vizio even support 3D in there new sets ?
No. I thought you guys were talking about doing an EDID hack to make a 1080p@120hz device show up as a 3D Vision device.
3D Play isn't going to matter unless Nvidia releases an update to the software. Right now the limitations are purely because Nvidia doesn't want to allow higher than 24hz @1080p with 3D Play.
You're right about the EDID hack, in theory it's possible with anything. 3dtv play isn't going to improve unless Nvidia do something, but they're not the only ones to blame, that's the point I'm making.
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Rusty, yes I see where you are coming from. Nvidia is software locking though, 100%. The TV manufacturers are just trying to make the most out of old technology. They claim there TV can do over 100hz which is bullshit. So yes, the hardware is also lacking....most people that buy a tv are not high-end pc gamers. We lose.
Rusty, yes I see where you are coming from. Nvidia is software locking though, 100%. The TV manufacturers are just trying to make the most out of old technology. They claim there TV can do over 100hz which is bullshit. So yes, the hardware is also lacking....most people that buy a tv are not high-end pc gamers. We lose.
Please excuse my ignorance, but I am considering shelling out £2,000 for a Samsung 4k HDMI 2.0 TV, and I am wondering if anyone happens to know if it would, at some point, be capable of displaying 1080p 60hz sequential NVIDIA 3D Vision games when connected to a Geforce 900 series graphics card. (My brain aches from typing that !)
It seems like the holy grail of home entertainment to me.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated :-]
Please excuse my ignorance, but I am considering shelling out £2,000 for a Samsung 4k HDMI 2.0 TV, and I am wondering if anyone happens to know if it would, at some point, be capable of displaying 1080p 60hz sequential NVIDIA 3D Vision games when connected to a Geforce 900 series graphics card. (My brain aches from typing that !)
It seems like the holy grail of home entertainment to me.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated :-]
I knew I'd forgotten something, it's so complicated.
This is the panel I've got in mind : http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-blu-ray/televisions/large-screen-tvs-32-and-over/samsung-ue55hu8200-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-55-curved-led-tv-10010577-pdt.html
So do you reckon that Nvidia won't support crystal clear 3D gaming on new 4K TVs, to encourage people to stay at desks and buy their 3D vision equipment ?
So do you reckon that Nvidia won't support crystal clear 3D gaming on new 4K TVs, to encourage people to stay at desks and buy their 3D vision equipment ?
Very nice TV, but you're going to struggle. If you don't have a 3d vision kit, you'll have to buy 3dtv play and you'll be limited (in 3d) to 1280x720 at 60Hz or 1920x1080 @ 24hz.
Hence the reason for me creating this thread. I've been wanting to upgrade my projector for at least 2 years, but we're in an absolutely stupid position where the interface and software are holding us back.
Very nice TV, but you're going to struggle. If you don't have a 3d vision kit, you'll have to buy 3dtv play and you'll be limited (in 3d) to 1280x720 at 60Hz or 1920x1080 @ 24hz.
Hence the reason for me creating this thread. I've been wanting to upgrade my projector for at least 2 years, but we're in an absolutely stupid position where the interface and software are holding us back.
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As rustyk notes, right at this very moment, the answer is no. It won't work.
Because the only way that TV would work in 4K 3D would be to use the glasses that come with it, and thus 3D TV Play software from NVidia. That software is presently locked to HDMI 1.4 spec, and can't even go above 1080p@24Hz, so 4K is out of the question. Even 1080p@60Hz is out of the question.
That might be fixed in the future, or it might not. I don't think it's because NVidia wants to push people to desktop hardware, it's that they just aren't paying any attention to 3D, so advances like HDMI 2.0 don't get any attention.
One other note- if you want to run 4K in 3D, you are going to need absolutely top-of-the-line hardware to push that many pixels. To get decent framerates, you will need something like SLI (2 of them) GTX 980s, and a great CPU, which will add more cost.
BTW, if your goal is a very-large 3D display, you are better off to go with a projector at present. The resolution is not as good, but if you are not sitting right up in front of the TV or screen, you won't notice.
As rustyk notes, right at this very moment, the answer is no. It won't work.
Because the only way that TV would work in 4K 3D would be to use the glasses that come with it, and thus 3D TV Play software from NVidia. That software is presently locked to HDMI 1.4 spec, and can't even go above 1080p@24Hz, so 4K is out of the question. Even 1080p@60Hz is out of the question.
That might be fixed in the future, or it might not. I don't think it's because NVidia wants to push people to desktop hardware, it's that they just aren't paying any attention to 3D, so advances like HDMI 2.0 don't get any attention.
One other note- if you want to run 4K in 3D, you are going to need absolutely top-of-the-line hardware to push that many pixels. To get decent framerates, you will need something like SLI (2 of them) GTX 980s, and a great CPU, which will add more cost.
BTW, if your goal is a very-large 3D display, you are better off to go with a projector at present. The resolution is not as good, but if you are not sitting right up in front of the TV or screen, you won't notice.
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Meanwhile using a AMD Radeon and TriDef, you can output 1080P Frame Sequential via HDMI if you can find a capable Display. AMD introduced it several years ago with the launch of the Radeon 7970.
Blackshark upgraded his GPU to a 7970 to take advantage of it on his Dual Passive Projection setup. Unfortunately, Tridef doesn't support Crossfire or SLI I think.
Meanwhile using a AMD Radeon and TriDef, you can output 1080P Frame Sequential via HDMI if you can find a capable Display. AMD introduced it several years ago with the launch of the Radeon 7970.
Blackshark upgraded his GPU to a 7970 to take advantage of it on his Dual Passive Projection setup. Unfortunately, Tridef doesn't support Crossfire or SLI I think.
So what's going on with this? I have a HDMI 2.0 4K TV with 3D support that is supposed to support 3D resolutions up to 3840x2160 @ 60 Hz via the HDMI 2.0 input and I have it connected to a GTX 980.
But the NVIDIA drivers won't let me select any 3D resolutions higher than 1920x1080 @ 24 Hz.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/793409/geforce-900-series/samsung-hu8550-series-4k-tv-3d-modes-higher-than-1080p-24-hz-not-showing-up/
So what's going on with this? I have a HDMI 2.0 4K TV with 3D support that is supposed to support 3D resolutions up to 3840x2160 @ 60 Hz via the HDMI 2.0 input and I have it connected to a GTX 980.
But the NVIDIA drivers won't let me select any 3D resolutions higher than 1920x1080 @ 24 Hz.
3D Vision/TRIDEF User
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I don't know exactly what display device you both have, but if you're getting 0 lag then you're probably using 3d vision, not 3dtv play and I know some time ago someone did an EDID override for interleaved modes as I think in the early days there were some 3d vision certified displays that were passive rather than active, and passive is interleaved therefore has lower bandwidth requirements and is not 'full frame'.
3DTV play is designed specifically for HDTV/Projectors and supports the mandatory HDMI 1.4 frame packing standards. With most sets it's laggy as well due to the extra input processing, which is why for example when ACER replaced the H5360 (3d vision frame sequential) with the BD version which only supports 3d tv play, people complained. Also, you're limited to 1280x720x120Hz or 1920x1080x24Hz. I know 1920x1080x30Hz is possible via HDMI but needs a hack and yes, you can argue that is a software lock.
Of course, an EDID override will enable true 120HZ frame sequential input aka "3d vision" because the drivers think it's a certified 3d vision display, BUT, you still limited due to the hardware bandwidth constraints of HDMI, so if you create custom resolutions you will hit a hard limit of the modes that will work.
With HDTVs, plasmas always supported 200hz/400hz whatever, but that's how the display panel is driven, they still generally won't allow a true 120Hz input and certainly not when in 3dtvplay mode. With LCDs and backlight strobing, a lot of TV's say they are 100/200Hz, but again, there is no true input path to allow a full 1080p full frame 3d 60hz signal to be displayed.
I mentioned blurbusters just to show that some displays do include the necessary HDMI hardware that will support the bandwidth required to display a full frame signal at high enough frequencies. You'll still be outside of the realms of the framepacking standards and you'd still need to use an EDID to enable 3d vision mode though.
Bit of a brain dump and probably haven't explained everything very well but I know what I mean :-)
Happy to be proven wrong and I know I haven't linked to any other articles but this is pretty close to my heart and I think I do know what I'm talking about.
Anyway, maybe, just maybe, someone from Nvidia will step in and tell us what new modes they will support and on what displays. Like I said though, from a display device point of view things are a mess as well, as HDMI 2.0 doesn't really have a mandatory baseline for functionality and it's up to the individual manufacturers what they support.
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I still wouldn't expect any official support. It'll be interesting if EDID hacks work, but I wouldn't expect any support unless these manufacturers pay for it (seems like it would compete with the monitor manufacturers who are paying Nvidia for the 3D Vision moniker. Which is the same reason Samsung monitors couldn't work with 3D Vision.)
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No. I thought you guys were talking about doing an EDID hack to make a 1080p@120hz device show up as a 3D Vision device.
3D Play isn't going to matter unless Nvidia releases an update to the software. Right now the limitations are purely because Nvidia doesn't want to allow higher than 24hz @1080p with 3D Play.
You're right about the EDID hack, in theory it's possible with anything. 3dtv play isn't going to improve unless Nvidia do something, but they're not the only ones to blame, that's the point I'm making.
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It seems like the holy grail of home entertainment to me.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated :-]
Either way, it's unlikely given nVidia's indifference towards 3d.
This is the panel I've got in mind : http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-blu-ray/televisions/large-screen-tvs-32-and-over/samsung-ue55hu8200-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-55-curved-led-tv-10010577-pdt.html
So do you reckon that Nvidia won't support crystal clear 3D gaming on new 4K TVs, to encourage people to stay at desks and buy their 3D vision equipment ?
Hence the reason for me creating this thread. I've been wanting to upgrade my projector for at least 2 years, but we're in an absolutely stupid position where the interface and software are holding us back.
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Because the only way that TV would work in 4K 3D would be to use the glasses that come with it, and thus 3D TV Play software from NVidia. That software is presently locked to HDMI 1.4 spec, and can't even go above 1080p@24Hz, so 4K is out of the question. Even 1080p@60Hz is out of the question.
That might be fixed in the future, or it might not. I don't think it's because NVidia wants to push people to desktop hardware, it's that they just aren't paying any attention to 3D, so advances like HDMI 2.0 don't get any attention.
One other note- if you want to run 4K in 3D, you are going to need absolutely top-of-the-line hardware to push that many pixels. To get decent framerates, you will need something like SLI (2 of them) GTX 980s, and a great CPU, which will add more cost.
BTW, if your goal is a very-large 3D display, you are better off to go with a projector at present. The resolution is not as good, but if you are not sitting right up in front of the TV or screen, you won't notice.
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Blackshark upgraded his GPU to a 7970 to take advantage of it on his Dual Passive Projection setup. Unfortunately, Tridef doesn't support Crossfire or SLI I think.
But the NVIDIA drivers won't let me select any 3D resolutions higher than 1920x1080 @ 24 Hz.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/793409/geforce-900-series/samsung-hu8550-series-4k-tv-3d-modes-higher-than-1080p-24-hz-not-showing-up/