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Ghosting with H5360 using Bloody's image test. I put some shots in the comments: [url]http://3dvision-blog.com/4056-stereo-3d-display-crosstalk-test-photos-with-some-results/[/url] A thread where I show some actual photographs of the screen for ghosting comparison: [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/529466/3d-on-videoprojector/?offset=16[/url] DLP itself has exactly zero ghosting. The only place where you can get ghosting is then in the glasses themselves, and if your eyes hit the sweet spot of the NVidia glasses, you get zero from them as well.
Ghosting with H5360 using Bloody's image test. I put some shots in the comments:

http://3dvision-blog.com/4056-stereo-3d-display-crosstalk-test-photos-with-some-results/


A thread where I show some actual photographs of the screen for ghosting comparison:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/529466/3d-on-videoprojector/?offset=16


DLP itself has exactly zero ghosting. The only place where you can get ghosting is then in the glasses themselves, and if your eyes hit the sweet spot of the NVidia glasses, you get zero from them as well.

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#16
Posted 09/04/2013 02:56 AM   
Ive tried 7-8 brands of 3D glasses. Some people disagree, some agree that there is a difference of 3D vision 1 vs 2 on a DLP projector. 3D vision 2's are by far the best for ghosting on a dlp projector I've tested [2 projectors]. 3D Vision 1's I actually rate below some DLP glasses. 3D vision 2's I only see ghosting in "extreme situations" and thats only in a few rare instances. [Not to mention I depth hack a bit] As Bo3b pointed out glasses matter much more then projector if you have ghosting. Though if your playing on a low screen size Id imagine thats a factor. Most DLP glasses are pretty much trash tbh. [Out of all the brands I've tried Id only recommend Optoma but still 3d vision 2's are best]
Ive tried 7-8 brands of 3D glasses.
Some people disagree, some agree that there is a difference of 3D vision 1 vs 2 on a DLP projector. 3D vision 2's are by far the best for ghosting on a dlp projector I've tested [2 projectors]. 3D Vision 1's I actually rate below some DLP glasses. 3D vision 2's I only see ghosting in "extreme situations" and thats only in a few rare instances. [Not to mention I depth hack a bit]

As Bo3b pointed out glasses matter much more then projector if you have ghosting. Though if your playing on a low screen size Id imagine thats a factor.
Most DLP glasses are pretty much trash tbh. [Out of all the brands I've tried Id only recommend Optoma but still 3d vision 2's are best]

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#17
Posted 09/04/2013 03:24 AM   
[quote="D-Man11"][quote="mbloof"]I then realized that I had a pair of virtually unused 3DVision glasses and the emitter. Could I perhaps use the 3DVision glasses with the projector? (with or without the emitter?)[/quote] Without the emiiter=No, Nvidia's glasses only work in tandem with the USB drivers and emitter. You can use the emitter and glasses with the projector by spoofing a supported projector's EDID. http://panam.acer.com/acerpanam/monitor/0000/Acer/AC501/AC501faq10.shtml[/quote] Sorry for my English and for my ignorance. D-Man11, I use the Vga input (BenQ W1070) and select Generic Monitor CRT in the nVidia control panel and 3DVision glasses work with the emitter (314.22 drivers). What is the difference between using this mode and by spoofing a supported projector's EDID?
D-Man11 said:
mbloof said:I then realized that I had a pair of virtually unused 3DVision glasses and the emitter. Could I perhaps use the 3DVision glasses with the projector? (with or without the emitter?)


Without the emiiter=No, Nvidia's glasses only work in tandem with the USB drivers and emitter.

You can use the emitter and glasses with the projector by spoofing a supported projector's EDID.


http://panam.acer.com/acerpanam/monitor/0000/Acer/AC501/AC501faq10.shtml




Sorry for my English and for my ignorance.

D-Man11, I use the Vga input (BenQ W1070) and select Generic Monitor CRT in the nVidia control panel and 3DVision glasses work with the emitter (314.22 drivers).
What is the difference between using this mode and by spoofing a supported projector's EDID?

#18
Posted 09/04/2013 10:48 AM   
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#19
Posted 09/04/2013 12:28 PM   
[quote="eqzitara"]Most DLP glasses are pretty much trash tbh. [Out of all the brands I've tried Id only recommend Optoma but still 3d vision 2's are best][/quote] I'm skeptical of this. Active shutter glasses are basically all on even ground. IR vs RF vs DLP-link, these only determine how the glasses sync with the display. It has nothing to do with the LCD shutter lenses, which is what actually matters in terms of ghosting and visual quality. If I'm not mistaken, the 3D Vision 2 glasses are fairly expensive. That's probably why they're good, rather than anything to do with IR vs DLP-link. In other words, if you're getting a DLP like the W1070, don't buy the cheap Sainsonics.
eqzitara said:Most DLP glasses are pretty much trash tbh. [Out of all the brands I've tried Id only recommend Optoma but still 3d vision 2's are best]


I'm skeptical of this. Active shutter glasses are basically all on even ground. IR vs RF vs DLP-link, these only determine how the glasses sync with the display. It has nothing to do with the LCD shutter lenses, which is what actually matters in terms of ghosting and visual quality. If I'm not mistaken, the 3D Vision 2 glasses are fairly expensive. That's probably why they're good, rather than anything to do with IR vs DLP-link.

In other words, if you're getting a DLP like the W1070, don't buy the cheap Sainsonics.

#20
Posted 09/04/2013 12:29 PM   
Ahh... even more into the mix. I was going to ask what the Benq and Optoma glasses had over the cheap Sainsonics. 3D Vision2 glasses are doable: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=3D%20Vision%202%20glasses These appear (glasses only) to be less expensive than the Benq and Optoma ones. Then of course someone posted in another thread that HDMI 2.0 is finally out of the bag. While I can't do anything about my recently purchased 780's it might make sense to wait a bit to see if display+projector OEM's start supporting the new standard.
Ahh... even more into the mix. I was going to ask what the Benq and Optoma glasses had over the cheap Sainsonics. 3D Vision2 glasses are doable:


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=3D%20Vision%202%20glasses


These appear (glasses only) to be less expensive than the Benq and Optoma ones.

Then of course someone posted in another thread that HDMI 2.0 is finally out of the bag. While I can't do anything about my recently purchased 780's it might make sense to wait a bit to see if display+projector OEM's start supporting the new standard.

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#21
Posted 09/04/2013 01:35 PM   
[quote="mbloof"]Ahh... even more into the mix. I was going to ask what the Benq and Optoma glasses had over the cheap Sainsonics. 3D Vision2 glasses are doable: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=3D%20Vision%202%20glasses These appear (glasses only) to be less expensive than the Benq and Optoma ones. Then of course someone posted in another thread that HDMI 2.0 is finally out of the bag. While I can't do anything about my recently purchased 780's it might make sense to wait a bit to see if display+projector OEM's start supporting the new standard.[/quote] I use the following glasses with my BenQ 1080ST: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6 These are much better than the cheaper Sainsonic ones in terms of comfort and picture quality. I first tried Sainsonics glasses but Sainsonics glasses were uncomfortable and did not block the DLP signal (red flash) completely. So picture looks slightly tinted (reddish). I also noticed that HDMI 2.0 is finalized and soon there will be new products in the market. We may not be limited to 720p 3D anymore.
mbloof said:Ahh... even more into the mix. I was going to ask what the Benq and Optoma glasses had over the cheap Sainsonics. 3D Vision2 glasses are doable:


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=3D%20Vision%202%20glasses


These appear (glasses only) to be less expensive than the Benq and Optoma ones.

Then of course someone posted in another thread that HDMI 2.0 is finally out of the bag. While I can't do anything about my recently purchased 780's it might make sense to wait a bit to see if display+projector OEM's start supporting the new standard.



I use the following glasses with my BenQ 1080ST:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6


These are much better than the cheaper Sainsonic ones in terms of comfort and picture quality. I first tried Sainsonics glasses but Sainsonics glasses were uncomfortable and did not block the DLP signal (red flash) completely. So picture looks slightly tinted (reddish).


I also noticed that HDMI 2.0 is finalized and soon there will be new products in the market. We may not be limited to 720p 3D anymore.

#22
Posted 09/04/2013 01:50 PM   
[quote="PeterPotamus72"]D-Man11, I use the Vga input (BenQ W1070) and select Generic Monitor CRT in the nVidia control panel and 3DVision glasses work with the emitter (314.22 drivers). What is the difference between using this mode and by spoofing a supported projector's EDID?[/quote] Since it works with Generic CRT, you are better off than if you were to override the EDID. The reason being is that the EDID that you use to override, may have different color profiles. Like in the following, you can see one supports sRBG and one doesn't. Also you can see the slight variance in the colors and white point. Color characteristics Default color space...... sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.329 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.060 White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.328 Color characteristics Default color space...... Non-sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.340 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.690 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.138 - By 0.038 White point (default).... Wx 0.282 - Wy 0.297
PeterPotamus72 said:D-Man11, I use the Vga input (BenQ W1070) and select Generic Monitor CRT in the nVidia control panel and 3DVision glasses work with the emitter (314.22 drivers).
What is the difference between using this mode and by spoofing a supported projector's EDID?


Since it works with Generic CRT, you are better off than if you were to override the EDID. The reason being is that the EDID that you use to override, may have different color profiles. Like in the following, you can see one supports sRBG and one doesn't. Also you can see the slight variance in the colors and white point.

Color characteristics
Default color space...... sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.329
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.060
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.328

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.340
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.690
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.138 - By 0.038
White point (default).... Wx 0.282 - Wy 0.297

#23
Posted 09/04/2013 04:25 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"][quote="PeterPotamus72"]D-Man11, I use the Vga input (BenQ W1070) and select Generic Monitor CRT in the nVidia control panel and 3DVision glasses work with the emitter (314.22 drivers). What is the difference between using this mode and by spoofing a supported projector's EDID?[/quote] Since it works with Generic CRT, you are better off than if you were to override the EDID. The reason being is that the EDID that you use to override, may have different color profiles. Like in the following, you can see one supports sRBG and one doesn't. Also you can see the slight variance in the colors and white point. Color characteristics Default color space...... sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.329 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.060 White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.328 Color characteristics Default color space...... Non-sRGB Display gamma............ 2.20 Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.340 Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.690 Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.138 - By 0.038 White point (default).... Wx 0.282 - Wy 0.297 [/quote] Thank you very much D-Man11.
D-Man11 said:
PeterPotamus72 said:D-Man11, I use the Vga input (BenQ W1070) and select Generic Monitor CRT in the nVidia control panel and 3DVision glasses work with the emitter (314.22 drivers).
What is the difference between using this mode and by spoofing a supported projector's EDID?


Since it works with Generic CRT, you are better off than if you were to override the EDID. The reason being is that the EDID that you use to override, may have different color profiles. Like in the following, you can see one supports sRBG and one doesn't. Also you can see the slight variance in the colors and white point.

Color characteristics
Default color space...... sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.329
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.060
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.328

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.340
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.690
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.138 - By 0.038
White point (default).... Wx 0.282 - Wy 0.297



Thank you very much D-Man11.

#24
Posted 09/05/2013 09:12 AM   
[quote="imarun"] I use the following glasses with my BenQ 1080ST: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6 These are much better than the cheaper Sainsonic ones in terms of comfort and picture quality. I first tried Sainsonics glasses but Sainsonics glasses were uncomfortable and did not block the DLP signal (red flash) completely. So picture looks slightly tinted (reddish). I also noticed that HDMI 2.0 is finalized and soon there will be new products in the market. We may not be limited to 720p 3D anymore. [/quote] Ok, I went ahead and got these. Maybe I'll stop by Frys tonight after rush hour calms down and get a projector. Glasses will arrive tomorrow. In my searching/surfing last night I did come across a DL-DVI EDID 'spoofer' which might be employed to read the EDID of my POS Asus display and coupled with other devices to get to where I want to go. I need to think through the cheapest way of testing if it will work.
imarun said:

I use the following glasses with my BenQ 1080ST:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G2VJM6


These are much better than the cheaper Sainsonic ones in terms of comfort and picture quality. I first tried Sainsonics glasses but Sainsonics glasses were uncomfortable and did not block the DLP signal (red flash) completely. So picture looks slightly tinted (reddish).


I also noticed that HDMI 2.0 is finalized and soon there will be new products in the market. We may not be limited to 720p 3D anymore.


Ok, I went ahead and got these. Maybe I'll stop by Frys tonight after rush hour calms down and get a projector. Glasses will arrive tomorrow.

In my searching/surfing last night I did come across a DL-DVI EDID 'spoofer' which might be employed to read the EDID of my POS Asus display and coupled with other devices to get to where I want to go. I need to think through the cheapest way of testing if it will work.

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#25
Posted 09/05/2013 01:30 PM   
I use these practically everyday ... they're a bit temperamental (reverse sync) when the TV flashes/or goes completely white, I'm not sure if it's because I'm using them on a RP DLP (and maybe sitting to close to the screen) or not though ... they're wicked light and extremely comfortable though ... and cheap. :) [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-Universal-Active-Shutter-3D-Glasses-for-3D-DLP-LINK-Ready-Projector-/121001808309[/url]
I use these practically everyday ... they're a bit temperamental (reverse sync) when the TV flashes/or goes completely white, I'm not sure if it's because I'm using them on a RP DLP (and maybe sitting to close to the screen) or not though ... they're wicked light and extremely comfortable though ... and cheap. :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-Universal-Active-Shutter-3D-Glasses-for-3D-DLP-LINK-Ready-Projector-/121001808309
#26
Posted 09/05/2013 02:41 PM   
Button batteries...yuck. Rechargable FTW.
Button batteries...yuck.

Rechargable FTW.

#27
Posted 09/05/2013 02:53 PM   
Agreed, I love my rechargeables ... until they die mid-game, but at least I have spares, although it could be worse! [url]http://www.xpand.me/accessories/xpand-battery/[/url]
Agreed, I love my rechargeables ... until they die mid-game, but at least I have spares, although it could be worse! http://www.xpand.me/accessories/xpand-battery/
#28
Posted 09/05/2013 04:09 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]Button batteries...yuck. Rechargable FTW.[/quote] Agreed. I'll have to try the ones on the way vs using my 3DVison1 glasses and see which ones work better. I suppose I could get a fist full of CR2032's wholesale but I'd prefer rechargeables. After dinner I'll setup the screen and see how much the nearby furnace vent makes it move. My living room is surely not 'theater dark' but is not all that bright ether. The screen will be setup in front of a south facing window.
D-Man11 said:Button batteries...yuck.

Rechargable FTW.


Agreed. I'll have to try the ones on the way vs using my 3DVison1 glasses and see which ones work better. I suppose I could get a fist full of CR2032's wholesale but I'd prefer rechargeables.

After dinner I'll setup the screen and see how much the nearby furnace vent makes it move. My living room is surely not 'theater dark' but is not all that bright ether. The screen will be setup in front of a south facing window.

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#29
Posted 09/06/2013 01:07 AM   
I just heard about this new projector from Epson (Home Cinema 2030): http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product/Overview.do?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&sku=V11H561020 http://reviews.cnet.com/home-theater-projectors/epson-powerlite-home-cinema/4505-7858_7-35826968.html http://www.avsforum.com/t/1489252/epson-home-cinema-2030-a-projector-that-wont-break-the-bank The specs say that it supports 1080p 60Hz 3D video signal. Is it a mistake or we are seeing a first 3D projector with 1080p 60Hz support?
I just heard about this new projector from Epson (Home Cinema 2030):

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Product/Overview.do?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&sku=V11H561020

http://reviews.cnet.com/home-theater-projectors/epson-powerlite-home-cinema/4505-7858_7-35826968.html

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1489252/epson-home-cinema-2030-a-projector-that-wont-break-the-bank

The specs say that it supports 1080p 60Hz 3D video signal. Is it a mistake or we are seeing a first 3D projector with 1080p 60Hz support?

#30
Posted 09/06/2013 06:16 AM   
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