New king of 3D LCD TVs? Phillips PFL9706H
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Great news for those of use who like wide-screen gaming without the black bars: The Phillips 46PFL9706H

Set a record at digitalversus for pixel response time. They said it approaches Panasonic levels of crosstalk, which i assume is referring to plasma then?

Check out this crosstalk comparison photo
http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/35/10566/46PFL9706H_3dlg.jpg

Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/philips-46pfl9706h-p364_12060_53.html
Great news for those of use who like wide-screen gaming without the black bars: The Phillips 46PFL9706H



Set a record at digitalversus for pixel response time. They said it approaches Panasonic levels of crosstalk, which i assume is referring to plasma then?



Check out this crosstalk comparison photo

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/35/10566/46PFL9706H_3dlg.jpg



Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/philips-46pfl9706h-p364_12060_53.html

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#1
Posted 10/25/2011 05:34 AM   
Bump

I should mention, the crosstalk levels are even lower than the LE835 i tested out. Which through quite a bit of research, i assume has one of the lowest levels for 2011 (I guessed the second lowest, below the Toshiba WX800u). ...and heres what Trustedreviews said about the LE835u.

[quote]First, the glasses are more comfortable than most, sitting comfortably on your nose and covering pretty much all of your field of vision. Second, 3D pictures look unexpectedly but gratifyingly brilliant.

The most strikingly obvious reason for this is the exceptionally small amount of crosstalk in the picture. Sharp’s press blurb on the 46LE831 suggests crosstalk has been reduced by at least 30% from the first 3D Quattron set, and from the puny amounts of ghosting we can see, this actually appears to be a conservative figure.

Crosstalk hasn’t been completely eliminated; it’s still vaguely evident on really tough sequences like the Tangled lantern or Golden Gate Bridge sequences in Monsters Vs Aliens. But you generally either won’t see it at all, or else it will appear more as a very subtle halo around an object rather than an obvious, distracting ‘ghost’.[/quote]

While i had the LE835, i took the opportunity to play Mirrors Edge, which had far too much crosstalk on my Sony NX711 and was too dark.
Bump



I should mention, the crosstalk levels are even lower than the LE835 i tested out. Which through quite a bit of research, i assume has one of the lowest levels for 2011 (I guessed the second lowest, below the Toshiba WX800u). ...and heres what Trustedreviews said about the LE835u.



First, the glasses are more comfortable than most, sitting comfortably on your nose and covering pretty much all of your field of vision. Second, 3D pictures look unexpectedly but gratifyingly brilliant.



The most strikingly obvious reason for this is the exceptionally small amount of crosstalk in the picture. Sharp’s press blurb on the 46LE831 suggests crosstalk has been reduced by at least 30% from the first 3D Quattron set, and from the puny amounts of ghosting we can see, this actually appears to be a conservative figure.



Crosstalk hasn’t been completely eliminated; it’s still vaguely evident on really tough sequences like the Tangled lantern or Golden Gate Bridge sequences in Monsters Vs Aliens. But you generally either won’t see it at all, or else it will appear more as a very subtle halo around an object rather than an obvious, distracting ‘ghost’.




While i had the LE835, i took the opportunity to play Mirrors Edge, which had far too much crosstalk on my Sony NX711 and was too dark.

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#2
Posted 10/27/2011 03:16 AM   
Well in my honest opinion 3D is still a bit of a gimmick at the moment. I was also very keen on 3D when I was deciding on an HDTV however when I sat down and thought logically about it I realized that almost non of the content I would be watching in the forseeable future would be in 3D so there was no way I could justify the additional cost of a 3D HDTV.

A couple of things you also need to consider:

1. 3D technology is not standardized across the board i.e. different brands require different 3D glasses so for example, your mate won't be able to use the glasses he got with his LG with your Samsung. Also there are other manufacturing companies who are busy developing 3D panels without the need for glasses so in 3 or 4 years the whole glasses thing might become completely redundant.

2. Although more 3D content is becoming available it is still very limited so ultimately you would have to go out and buy 3D Blu-Ray titles to make proper use of the 3D functionality on the TV....assuming of course you already have a Blu-ray player capable of playing 3D movies. If not, well then you'll have to buy one.

3. HD is still very much in it's infancy in South Africa so I doubt DSTV (or any other broadcaster in SA) will be broadcasting 3D content in the foreseeable future.

4. There are little to no TV shows/series available in 3D at the moment.

At the end it comes down to how much 3D content you will be viewing and whether or not you're willing to pay extra for a "nice-to-have" technology.
Well in my honest opinion 3D is still a bit of a gimmick at the moment. I was also very keen on 3D when I was deciding on an HDTV however when I sat down and thought logically about it I realized that almost non of the content I would be watching in the forseeable future would be in 3D so there was no way I could justify the additional cost of a 3D HDTV.



A couple of things you also need to consider:



1. 3D technology is not standardized across the board i.e. different brands require different 3D glasses so for example, your mate won't be able to use the glasses he got with his LG with your Samsung. Also there are other manufacturing companies who are busy developing 3D panels without the need for glasses so in 3 or 4 years the whole glasses thing might become completely redundant.



2. Although more 3D content is becoming available it is still very limited so ultimately you would have to go out and buy 3D Blu-Ray titles to make proper use of the 3D functionality on the TV....assuming of course you already have a Blu-ray player capable of playing 3D movies. If not, well then you'll have to buy one.



3. HD is still very much in it's infancy in South Africa so I doubt DSTV (or any other broadcaster in SA) will be broadcasting 3D content in the foreseeable future.



4. There are little to no TV shows/series available in 3D at the moment.



At the end it comes down to how much 3D content you will be viewing and whether or not you're willing to pay extra for a "nice-to-have" technology.

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#3
Posted 10/27/2011 11:22 AM   
Passive 3DTVs are the immediate future in my onion, Gamers will drive the market the most until we move into the autostereoscopic 3D era, at which point, the sheeple will follow.

There may not be much content yet, but it is just a matter of time. Looking at it logically, we went from wireless radio to black and white tv, to color tvs then to HDTVs and until we have hologram technology readily available, 3D will be the way forward.

While today you will be paying extra for the "nice-to-have" technology, in a few years, just like HDTVs, they will be much more affordable and user friendly.
Passive 3DTVs are the immediate future in my onion, Gamers will drive the market the most until we move into the autostereoscopic 3D era, at which point, the sheeple will follow.



There may not be much content yet, but it is just a matter of time. Looking at it logically, we went from wireless radio to black and white tv, to color tvs then to HDTVs and until we have hologram technology readily available, 3D will be the way forward.



While today you will be paying extra for the "nice-to-have" technology, in a few years, just like HDTVs, they will be much more affordable and user friendly.

Ed

Creator

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Home of 3D Videos

#4
Posted 10/27/2011 11:42 AM   
I'll reply more when im back from work, but i just wanted to pipe in that when i tried out passive TV in 3D several times, i found the lines to be far too wide for close up usage.
I'll reply more when im back from work, but i just wanted to pipe in that when i tried out passive TV in 3D several times, i found the lines to be far too wide for close up usage.

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#5
Posted 10/27/2011 02:24 PM   
[quote name='Libertine' date='24 October 2011 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1319520854' post='1313500']
Great news for those of use who like wide-screen gaming without the black bars: The Phillips 46PFL9706H

Set a record at digitalversus for pixel response time. They said it approaches Panasonic levels of crosstalk, which i assume is referring to plasma then?

Check out this crosstalk comparison photo
http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/35/10566/46PFL9706H_3dlg.jpg

Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/philips-46pfl9706h-p364_12060_53.html
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Yawn.......absolutely worthless for 3D gaming because it doesn't support checkerboard mode.
[quote name='Libertine' date='24 October 2011 - 11:34 PM' timestamp='1319520854' post='1313500']

Great news for those of use who like wide-screen gaming without the black bars: The Phillips 46PFL9706H



Set a record at digitalversus for pixel response time. They said it approaches Panasonic levels of crosstalk, which i assume is referring to plasma then?



Check out this crosstalk comparison photo

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/35/10566/46PFL9706H_3dlg.jpg



Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/philips-46pfl9706h-p364_12060_53.html



Yawn.......absolutely worthless for 3D gaming because it doesn't support checkerboard mode.

#6
Posted 10/27/2011 02:33 PM   
[quote name='Libertine' date='25 October 2011 - 05:34 AM' timestamp='1319520854' post='1313500']
Great news for those of use who like wide-screen gaming without the black bars: The Phillips 46PFL9706H

Set a record at digitalversus for pixel response time. [b]They said it approaches Panasonic levels of crosstalk, which i assume is referring to plasma then?[/b]

Check out this crosstalk comparison photo
http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/35/10566/46PFL9706H_3dlg.jpg

Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/philips-46pfl9706h-p364_12060_53.html
[/quote]

I would ignore any review site's evaluation of 3D quality. That's one hell of a low bar. I currently play on a GT30 PDP, and the crosstalk is so bad I actually returned 3 units and 4 pairs of glasses thinking there must have been a build fault. Unfortunately there wasn't, the reality is simply that films (which reviewers use as test sources) employ very narrow stereo separation (to play to a wide audience, comfortably), so crosstalk (in their limited experience) ranges from very subtle to non-existent. Games are a whole'nother beast (especially with depth cranked to 11). Many of them are simply unplayable if you have any care for image quality--I'm talking completely awash in very obvious double images and ghosting.
[quote name='Libertine' date='25 October 2011 - 05:34 AM' timestamp='1319520854' post='1313500']

Great news for those of use who like wide-screen gaming without the black bars: The Phillips 46PFL9706H



Set a record at digitalversus for pixel response time. They said it approaches Panasonic levels of crosstalk, which i assume is referring to plasma then?



Check out this crosstalk comparison photo

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/35/10566/46PFL9706H_3dlg.jpg



Review: http://www.digitalversus.com/philips-46pfl9706h-p364_12060_53.html





I would ignore any review site's evaluation of 3D quality. That's one hell of a low bar. I currently play on a GT30 PDP, and the crosstalk is so bad I actually returned 3 units and 4 pairs of glasses thinking there must have been a build fault. Unfortunately there wasn't, the reality is simply that films (which reviewers use as test sources) employ very narrow stereo separation (to play to a wide audience, comfortably), so crosstalk (in their limited experience) ranges from very subtle to non-existent. Games are a whole'nother beast (especially with depth cranked to 11). Many of them are simply unplayable if you have any care for image quality--I'm talking completely awash in very obvious double images and ghosting.

#7
Posted 10/27/2011 04:22 PM   
@ reallink and jmsmrtn98: was going to type individual replies, ( i still might) but i hate typing and all my thoughts just happen to be in this short 2 page thread i created on the Skyrim forums: [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1243582-skyrim-3d-support/"]http://forums.bethso...rim-3d-support/[/url]
@ reallink and jmsmrtn98: was going to type individual replies, ( i still might) but i hate typing and all my thoughts just happen to be in this short 2 page thread i created on the Skyrim forums: http://forums.bethso...rim-3d-support/

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#8
Posted 10/28/2011 02:57 AM   
[quote name='reallink' date='27 October 2011 - 08:22 AM' timestamp='1319732527' post='1315550']
I would ignore any review site's evaluation of 3D quality. That's one hell of a low bar. I currently play on a GT30 PDP, and the crosstalk is so bad I actually returned 3 units and 4 pairs of glasses thinking there must have been a build fault. Unfortunately there wasn't, the reality is simply that films (which reviewers use as test sources) employ very narrow stereo separation (to play to a wide audience, comfortably), so crosstalk (in their limited experience) ranges from very subtle to non-existent. Games are a whole'nother beast (especially with depth cranked to 11). Many of them are simply unplayable if you have any care for image quality--I'm talking completely awash in very obvious double images and ghosting.
[/quote]

I hope that wasnt Amazon you returned them to... I WOULD pay attention review sites and do. Ive played with brightness contrast and picture(sony) and i doesnt much affect crosstalk test results, so i really dont see much of a reason to ignore them. They calibrate TVs first, then take crosstalk photos so they're pretty accurate proportional comparisons. Further, i play at maximum separation, am well familar with crosstalk and rate my 2010 NX711 in 720p a more immersive gaming experience than with my 2560x1600 3007wfp-hc, which i gamed with for 4 years... Want even more thorough 3d reviews, try televisioninfo.com, although seemed to have put the breaks on tv reviews lately.
[quote name='reallink' date='27 October 2011 - 08:22 AM' timestamp='1319732527' post='1315550']

I would ignore any review site's evaluation of 3D quality. That's one hell of a low bar. I currently play on a GT30 PDP, and the crosstalk is so bad I actually returned 3 units and 4 pairs of glasses thinking there must have been a build fault. Unfortunately there wasn't, the reality is simply that films (which reviewers use as test sources) employ very narrow stereo separation (to play to a wide audience, comfortably), so crosstalk (in their limited experience) ranges from very subtle to non-existent. Games are a whole'nother beast (especially with depth cranked to 11). Many of them are simply unplayable if you have any care for image quality--I'm talking completely awash in very obvious double images and ghosting.





I hope that wasnt Amazon you returned them to... I WOULD pay attention review sites and do. Ive played with brightness contrast and picture(sony) and i doesnt much affect crosstalk test results, so i really dont see much of a reason to ignore them. They calibrate TVs first, then take crosstalk photos so they're pretty accurate proportional comparisons. Further, i play at maximum separation, am well familar with crosstalk and rate my 2010 NX711 in 720p a more immersive gaming experience than with my 2560x1600 3007wfp-hc, which i gamed with for 4 years... Want even more thorough 3d reviews, try televisioninfo.com, although seemed to have put the breaks on tv reviews lately.

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#9
Posted 10/28/2011 03:13 AM   
[quote name='roller11' date='27 October 2011 - 06:33 AM' timestamp='1319725996' post='1315492']
Yawn.......absolutely worthless for 3D gaming because it doesn't support checkerboard mode.
[/quote]

According to a guy named Roller11, checkerboard looks exactly like side-by-side....and according to me, side-by-side looks exactly like 720p + 4x AA, so i think im still in the ballpark brother...
[quote name='roller11' date='27 October 2011 - 06:33 AM' timestamp='1319725996' post='1315492']

Yawn.......absolutely worthless for 3D gaming because it doesn't support checkerboard mode.





According to a guy named Roller11, checkerboard looks exactly like side-by-side....and according to me, side-by-side looks exactly like 720p + 4x AA, so i think im still in the ballpark brother...

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#10
Posted 10/28/2011 03:17 AM   
[quote name='jmsmrtn98' date='27 October 2011 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1319714563' post='1315379']
Well in my honest opinion 3D is still a bit of a gimmick at the moment. I was also very keen on 3D when I was deciding on an HDTV however when I sat down and thought logically about it I realized that almost non of the content I would be watching in the forseeable future would be in 3D so there was no way I could justify the additional cost of a 3D HDTV.

A couple of things you also need to consider:

1. 3D technology is not standardized across the board i.e. different brands require different 3D glasses so for example, your mate won't be able to use the glasses he got with his LG with your Samsung. Also there are other manufacturing companies who are busy developing 3D panels without the need for glasses so in 3 or 4 years the whole glasses thing might become completely redundant.

2. Although more 3D content is becoming available it is still very limited so ultimately you would have to go out and buy 3D Blu-Ray titles to make proper use of the 3D functionality on the TV....assuming of course you already have a Blu-ray player capable of playing 3D movies. If not, well then you'll have to buy one.

3. HD is still very much in it's infancy in South Africa so I doubt DSTV (or any other broadcaster in SA) will be broadcasting 3D content in the foreseeable future.

4. There are little to no TV shows/series available in 3D at the moment.

At the end it comes down to how much 3D content you will be viewing and whether or not you're willing to pay extra for a "nice-to-have" technology.
[/quote]

I guess the fact that its an HDTV threw you off. I personally dont use my 3DTV for TV, or movies yet, its a replacement for my desktop monitor, which was a 2560x1600 Dell 3007wfp-hc that i used for that i used 4 years prior. My 3DTV's resolution is much less than the monitor, but with the added 3D, I enjoy it more for immersive gaming than the 30" monitor. And thats gaming at 720p resolution (+with AA) due to HDMI limitations. I dont view 3D as a gimmick, i view it as a major step forward in immersion.
[quote name='jmsmrtn98' date='27 October 2011 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1319714563' post='1315379']

Well in my honest opinion 3D is still a bit of a gimmick at the moment. I was also very keen on 3D when I was deciding on an HDTV however when I sat down and thought logically about it I realized that almost non of the content I would be watching in the forseeable future would be in 3D so there was no way I could justify the additional cost of a 3D HDTV.



A couple of things you also need to consider:



1. 3D technology is not standardized across the board i.e. different brands require different 3D glasses so for example, your mate won't be able to use the glasses he got with his LG with your Samsung. Also there are other manufacturing companies who are busy developing 3D panels without the need for glasses so in 3 or 4 years the whole glasses thing might become completely redundant.



2. Although more 3D content is becoming available it is still very limited so ultimately you would have to go out and buy 3D Blu-Ray titles to make proper use of the 3D functionality on the TV....assuming of course you already have a Blu-ray player capable of playing 3D movies. If not, well then you'll have to buy one.



3. HD is still very much in it's infancy in South Africa so I doubt DSTV (or any other broadcaster in SA) will be broadcasting 3D content in the foreseeable future.



4. There are little to no TV shows/series available in 3D at the moment.



At the end it comes down to how much 3D content you will be viewing and whether or not you're willing to pay extra for a "nice-to-have" technology.





I guess the fact that its an HDTV threw you off. I personally dont use my 3DTV for TV, or movies yet, its a replacement for my desktop monitor, which was a 2560x1600 Dell 3007wfp-hc that i used for that i used 4 years prior. My 3DTV's resolution is much less than the monitor, but with the added 3D, I enjoy it more for immersive gaming than the 30" monitor. And thats gaming at 720p resolution (+with AA) due to HDMI limitations. I dont view 3D as a gimmick, i view it as a major step forward in immersion.

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#11
Posted 10/28/2011 03:19 AM   
[quote name='Libertine' date='27 October 2011 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1319771825' post='1315903']
According to a guy named Roller11, checkerboard looks exactly like side-by-side....and according to me, side-by-side looks exactly like 720p + 4x AA, so i think im still in the ballpark brother...
[/quote]
1920x1080 checkerboard DOES look exactly like 1920x1080 side by side. 1920x1080 side by side DOES NOT look exactly like 1280x720.
Still trying to deceive people with bogus comparisons, eh Libertine?
[quote name='Libertine' date='27 October 2011 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1319771825' post='1315903']

According to a guy named Roller11, checkerboard looks exactly like side-by-side....and according to me, side-by-side looks exactly like 720p + 4x AA, so i think im still in the ballpark brother...



1920x1080 checkerboard DOES look exactly like 1920x1080 side by side. 1920x1080 side by side DOES NOT look exactly like 1280x720.

Still trying to deceive people with bogus comparisons, eh Libertine?

#12
Posted 10/28/2011 02:56 PM   
Thats obviously what I meant. Are you on drugs? You may want to up the meds, or talk to your doctor about getting you back in balance.
Thats obviously what I meant. Are you on drugs? You may want to up the meds, or talk to your doctor about getting you back in balance.

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#13
Posted 10/28/2011 03:10 PM   
[quote name='Libertine' date='28 October 2011 - 02:57 AM' timestamp='1319770627' post='1315896']
@ reallink and jmsmrtn98: was going to type individual replies, ( i still might) but i hate typing and all my thoughts just happen to be in this short 2 page thread i created on the Skyrim forums: [url="http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1243582-skyrim-3d-support/"]http://forums.bethso...rim-3d-support/[/url]
[/quote]

I'm not sure what you were going to say, but it seems I agree with you. The narrow separation is most video content does produce a lackluster effect, but a proper game a full depth is mind blowing. Sorry for any confusion, I thought it pretty clear my issue was with current display quality/technology, [b]NOT[/b] 3D. I personally love 3D (especially games), and although the image quality can get pretty nasty on most TV's, I still generally prefer it to 2D (unless the game has a poor implementation, then it's not worth the trade off).

[quote name='Libertine' date='28 October 2011 - 03:13 AM' timestamp='1319771622' post='1315902']
I hope that wasnt Amazon you returned them to... I WOULD pay attention review sites and do. Ive played with brightness contrast and picture(sony) and i doesnt much affect crosstalk test results, so i really dont see much of a reason to ignore them. They calibrate TVs first, then take crosstalk photos so they're pretty accurate proportional comparisons. Further, i play at maximum separation, am well familar with crosstalk and rate my 2010 NX711 in 720p a more immersive gaming experience than with my 2560x1600 3007wfp-hc, which i gamed with for 4 years... Want even more thorough 3d reviews, try televisioninfo.com, although seemed to have put the breaks on tv reviews lately.
[/quote]

Sorry, that was definitely my mistake. I just skimmed the OP and missed the bit that they actually use patterns to quantify cross talk (the vast majority of outlets do not). I immediately assumed they were simply heralding the Panasonic as being crosstalk free and the industry benchmark (see also HDTVTest, AVForum, FlatpanelsHD, and most other review outlets) I was just trying to clear up that erroneous perception, but it seems that site actually performs testing beyond viewing 3D CG Cartoons. Hopefully others will adopt a similar practice. That said, their pattern results do not seem to line up with their comments. The bottom Philips (from the screenshot) is clearly far better than the Panasonic (as are most of the other makes), but you say they mention that it "approaches the Panasonic"?
[quote name='Libertine' date='28 October 2011 - 02:57 AM' timestamp='1319770627' post='1315896']

@ reallink and jmsmrtn98: was going to type individual replies, ( i still might) but i hate typing and all my thoughts just happen to be in this short 2 page thread i created on the Skyrim forums: http://forums.bethso...rim-3d-support/





I'm not sure what you were going to say, but it seems I agree with you. The narrow separation is most video content does produce a lackluster effect, but a proper game a full depth is mind blowing. Sorry for any confusion, I thought it pretty clear my issue was with current display quality/technology, NOT 3D. I personally love 3D (especially games), and although the image quality can get pretty nasty on most TV's, I still generally prefer it to 2D (unless the game has a poor implementation, then it's not worth the trade off).



[quote name='Libertine' date='28 October 2011 - 03:13 AM' timestamp='1319771622' post='1315902']

I hope that wasnt Amazon you returned them to... I WOULD pay attention review sites and do. Ive played with brightness contrast and picture(sony) and i doesnt much affect crosstalk test results, so i really dont see much of a reason to ignore them. They calibrate TVs first, then take crosstalk photos so they're pretty accurate proportional comparisons. Further, i play at maximum separation, am well familar with crosstalk and rate my 2010 NX711 in 720p a more immersive gaming experience than with my 2560x1600 3007wfp-hc, which i gamed with for 4 years... Want even more thorough 3d reviews, try televisioninfo.com, although seemed to have put the breaks on tv reviews lately.





Sorry, that was definitely my mistake. I just skimmed the OP and missed the bit that they actually use patterns to quantify cross talk (the vast majority of outlets do not). I immediately assumed they were simply heralding the Panasonic as being crosstalk free and the industry benchmark (see also HDTVTest, AVForum, FlatpanelsHD, and most other review outlets) I was just trying to clear up that erroneous perception, but it seems that site actually performs testing beyond viewing 3D CG Cartoons. Hopefully others will adopt a similar practice. That said, their pattern results do not seem to line up with their comments. The bottom Philips (from the screenshot) is clearly far better than the Panasonic (as are most of the other makes), but you say they mention that it "approaches the Panasonic"?

#14
Posted 10/28/2011 06:00 PM   
[quote name='Libertine' date='28 October 2011 - 09:10 AM' timestamp='1319814622' post='1316162']
Thats obviously what I meant.
[/quote]
First you say "side-by-side looks exactly like 720p + 4x AA". I corrected you by pointing out it doesn't and now you say that's what you meant all along? So which is it, boy genius? Does 1920x1080 SBS looks exactly like 720P, or does it not look exactly like 720P? Take a side and stick with it.

Your original statement comparing a display implementation to a resolution doesn't even make sense. And you say I'm out of balance.....
[quote name='Libertine' date='28 October 2011 - 09:10 AM' timestamp='1319814622' post='1316162']

Thats obviously what I meant.



First you say "side-by-side looks exactly like 720p + 4x AA". I corrected you by pointing out it doesn't and now you say that's what you meant all along? So which is it, boy genius? Does 1920x1080 SBS looks exactly like 720P, or does it not look exactly like 720P? Take a side and stick with it.



Your original statement comparing a display implementation to a resolution doesn't even make sense. And you say I'm out of balance.....

#15
Posted 10/28/2011 10:34 PM   
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