I have a 3D TV, and games look great on it in 3D. So I had a fistful of Best Buy gift cards and was able to get a 500ish dollar 3D PC monitor for around 200 bucks. I went with the purchase because there are tons more supported 3D PC games than console games.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
I have a 3D TV, and games look great on it in 3D. So I had a fistful of Best Buy gift cards and was able to get a 500ish dollar 3D PC monitor for around 200 bucks. I went with the purchase because there are tons more supported 3D PC games than console games.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
[quote name='Span_Wolf' date='22 December 2010 - 02:42 AM' timestamp='1292985766' post='1164688']
I have a 3D TV, and games look great on it in 3D. So I had a fistful of Best Buy gift cards and was able to get a 500ish dollar 3D PC monitor for around 200 bucks. I went with the purchase because there are tons more supported 3D PC games than console games.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
Asus 23" 3D Monitor
Nvidia GTX 460 GPU
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Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
[quote name='Span_Wolf' date='22 December 2010 - 02:42 AM' timestamp='1292985766' post='1164688']
I have a 3D TV, and games look great on it in 3D. So I had a fistful of Best Buy gift cards and was able to get a 500ish dollar 3D PC monitor for around 200 bucks. I went with the purchase because there are tons more supported 3D PC games than console games.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
Asus 23" 3D Monitor
Nvidia GTX 460 GPU
Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
[quote name='NicWilson89' date='21 December 2010 - 06:59 PM' timestamp='1292986754' post='1164695']
Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
[/quote]No, I'm using the glasses that came with the Nvidia kit, and I've adjusted the wheel on the back of the transmitter a bit, but even if I get that working perfectly, the games aren't playable without a legible UI. Honestly If I can't get these UI's readable, I'm going to have to take the monitor back.
[quote name='NicWilson89' date='21 December 2010 - 06:59 PM' timestamp='1292986754' post='1164695']
Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
No, I'm using the glasses that came with the Nvidia kit, and I've adjusted the wheel on the back of the transmitter a bit, but even if I get that working perfectly, the games aren't playable without a legible UI. Honestly If I can't get these UI's readable, I'm going to have to take the monitor back.
can you post a pic of the bad UI.
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
[quote name='ERP' date='21 December 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1293001449' post='1164759']
can you post a pic of the bad UI.
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
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Thanks a bunch, that was part of it. When I put in the new monitor I just hooked up the DVI cable from the old monitor, I didn't know the new one was any different. Anyway things look a lot better, but right now some games are a trade off between really great 3D depth and some double imaging, or next to no depth to get rid of the double image. Any way to work that out so that I get the best of both worlds?
[quote name='ERP' date='21 December 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1293001449' post='1164759']
can you post a pic of the bad UI.
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
Thanks a bunch, that was part of it. When I put in the new monitor I just hooked up the DVI cable from the old monitor, I didn't know the new one was any different. Anyway things look a lot better, but right now some games are a trade off between really great 3D depth and some double imaging, or next to no depth to get rid of the double image. Any way to work that out so that I get the best of both worlds?
I have the same monitor and it works great, I love it. Based on the problems you described i would also have to agree that it sounds like your using a regular DVI-link cable and not the dual-link dvi cable that came with it.
I have the same monitor and it works great, I love it. Based on the problems you described i would also have to agree that it sounds like your using a regular DVI-link cable and not the dual-link dvi cable that came with it.
[quote name='Iron_Mafia' date='22 December 2010 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1293005584' post='1164775']
I have the same monitor and it works great, I love it. Based on the problems you described i would also have to agree that it sounds like your using a regular DVI-link cable and not the dual-link dvi cable that came with it.
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Yep that was it, so do you know of any ways to keep the awesome depth without having to give it up to get rid of the double imaging?
[quote name='Iron_Mafia' date='22 December 2010 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1293005584' post='1164775']
I have the same monitor and it works great, I love it. Based on the problems you described i would also have to agree that it sounds like your using a regular DVI-link cable and not the dual-link dvi cable that came with it.
Yep that was it, so do you know of any ways to keep the awesome depth without having to give it up to get rid of the double imaging?
I've been using it a few days now, is double image/ghosting something I have to just learn to live with because I'm seen it to various degrees even with certified 3D vision software. My 3D TV plays 3D console games flawlessly, why has every single PC game I've tried with this 3D monitor and 3D Vision kit had ghosting? Do I just need more tweaking?
I've been using it a few days now, is double image/ghosting something I have to just learn to live with because I'm seen it to various degrees even with certified 3D vision software. My 3D TV plays 3D console games flawlessly, why has every single PC game I've tried with this 3D monitor and 3D Vision kit had ghosting? Do I just need more tweaking?
I don't have my monitor yet (just ordered, stupid holiday shipping), so I'm not the most qualified to answer, but I think it's probably both tweaks and living with it. I believe several things work towards ghosting, and for some of those using a PC monitor just makes them worse. The biggest one that I seem to remember is distance. The farther you are away the less likely ghosting is to be noticeable. You're much closer to a PC screen than your TV, so notice it more or whatever. Another reason why you may have more is your settings for depth and convergence. These seem to directly impact ghosting and you have to find a sort of happy medium on the PC. On the consoles however, I seem to remember reading that they are locked values (and some of the "3d ready" games like Black Ops and Batman lock them too on PC) and I'm sure they've got them set in a way to minimize ghosting.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
I don't have my monitor yet (just ordered, stupid holiday shipping), so I'm not the most qualified to answer, but I think it's probably both tweaks and living with it. I believe several things work towards ghosting, and for some of those using a PC monitor just makes them worse. The biggest one that I seem to remember is distance. The farther you are away the less likely ghosting is to be noticeable. You're much closer to a PC screen than your TV, so notice it more or whatever. Another reason why you may have more is your settings for depth and convergence. These seem to directly impact ghosting and you have to find a sort of happy medium on the PC. On the consoles however, I seem to remember reading that they are locked values (and some of the "3d ready" games like Black Ops and Batman lock them too on PC) and I'm sure they've got them set in a way to minimize ghosting.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
[quote name='Tomec' date='24 December 2010 - 01:23 AM' timestamp='1293182584' post='1165706']
I don't have my monitor yet (just ordered, stupid holiday shipping), so I'm not the most qualified to answer, but I think it's probably both tweaks and living with it. I believe several things work towards ghosting, and for some of those using a PC monitor just makes them worse. The biggest one that I seem to remember is distance. The farther you are away the less likely ghosting is to be noticeable. You're much closer to a PC screen than your TV, so notice it more or whatever. Another reason why you may have more is your settings for depth and convergence. These seem to directly impact ghosting and you have to find a sort of happy medium on the PC. On the consoles however, I seem to remember reading that they are locked values (and some of the "3d ready" games like Black Ops and Batman lock them too on PC) and I'm sure they've got them set in a way to minimize ghosting.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
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Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom. Does that mean my monitor is defective or I just need to do some massive adjusting?
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
[quote name='Tomec' date='24 December 2010 - 01:23 AM' timestamp='1293182584' post='1165706']
I don't have my monitor yet (just ordered, stupid holiday shipping), so I'm not the most qualified to answer, but I think it's probably both tweaks and living with it. I believe several things work towards ghosting, and for some of those using a PC monitor just makes them worse. The biggest one that I seem to remember is distance. The farther you are away the less likely ghosting is to be noticeable. You're much closer to a PC screen than your TV, so notice it more or whatever. Another reason why you may have more is your settings for depth and convergence. These seem to directly impact ghosting and you have to find a sort of happy medium on the PC. On the consoles however, I seem to remember reading that they are locked values (and some of the "3d ready" games like Black Ops and Batman lock them too on PC) and I'm sure they've got them set in a way to minimize ghosting.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom. Does that mean my monitor is defective or I just need to do some massive adjusting?
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
[quote name='Span_Wolf' date='24 December 2010 - 01:41 AM' timestamp='1293183670' post='1165712']
Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom.
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
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I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
[quote name='Span_Wolf' date='24 December 2010 - 01:41 AM' timestamp='1293183670' post='1165712']
Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom.
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
[quote name='Tomec' date='24 December 2010 - 02:06 AM' timestamp='1293185179' post='1165721']
I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
[/quote]
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
[quote name='Tomec' date='24 December 2010 - 02:06 AM' timestamp='1293185179' post='1165721']
I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
[quote name='Span_Wolf' date='24 December 2010 - 02:26 AM' timestamp='1293186372' post='1165726']
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
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But did you uninstall between the time you got the video card and monitor? Try that as I'm fairly sure that the correct instaltion procedure for 3d vision is:
Uninstall any and all nVidia drivers
Restart PC
Install 3d Vision cd package (found [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce-3d-vision-winvista-win7-cd-1.38-whql-driver.html"]here[/url] or [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce-3d-vision-winvista-win7-cd-1.42-whql-driver.html"]here for 570 and 580 owners[/url]
Restart PC
Enable 3d Vision and do the calibration and stuff through the 3d vision wizard
Speaking of calibrations... did you calibrate your Asus when you got it? Again mine isn't here, but I remember in like every review I've read they've said it is WAY out of whack straight out of the box and needs calibration. I know 3d mode locks down some settings, so don't know how much of an impact proper calibration will have on it, but it never hurts to do. Or redo (including the drivers) if you've done it before.
[quote name='Span_Wolf' date='24 December 2010 - 02:26 AM' timestamp='1293186372' post='1165726']
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
But did you uninstall between the time you got the video card and monitor? Try that as I'm fairly sure that the correct instaltion procedure for 3d vision is:
Enable 3d Vision and do the calibration and stuff through the 3d vision wizard
Speaking of calibrations... did you calibrate your Asus when you got it? Again mine isn't here, but I remember in like every review I've read they've said it is WAY out of whack straight out of the box and needs calibration. I know 3d mode locks down some settings, so don't know how much of an impact proper calibration will have on it, but it never hurts to do. Or redo (including the drivers) if you've done it before.
I have the Asus and also had some issues with the 3D not working, but then i reinstalled the drivers both display and 3D to the latest and it started working perfectly.
I have the Asus and also had some issues with the 3D not working, but then i reinstalled the drivers both display and 3D to the latest and it started working perfectly.
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[quote name='danevito' date='24 December 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1293237985' post='1165989']
I have the Asus and also had some issues with the 3D not working, but then i reinstalled the drivers both display and 3D to the latest and it started working perfectly.
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Did the 3D not work correctly or not work at all for you?
Edit:
Tomec the monitor is pretty well calibrated out of the box, I checked a website dedicated to testing your monitor's settings and it all looked good. So you're telling me that the difference between unistaling the previous drivers before installing the new ones might be the difference between bad ghosting and less/no ghosting? So should I reinstall ALL video and 3D drivers for both the 3D kit and the graphics card, or just the 3D kit?
Edit 2: So how do you change convergence on games that Ctrl+F5/F6 doesn't do anything? I've tried changing the convergence in some games that nothing happened when I pressed the buttons, but others it worked.
[quote name='danevito' date='24 December 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1293237985' post='1165989']
I have the Asus and also had some issues with the 3D not working, but then i reinstalled the drivers both display and 3D to the latest and it started working perfectly.
Did the 3D not work correctly or not work at all for you?
Edit:
Tomec the monitor is pretty well calibrated out of the box, I checked a website dedicated to testing your monitor's settings and it all looked good. So you're telling me that the difference between unistaling the previous drivers before installing the new ones might be the difference between bad ghosting and less/no ghosting? So should I reinstall ALL video and 3D drivers for both the 3D kit and the graphics card, or just the 3D kit?
Edit 2: So how do you change convergence on games that Ctrl+F5/F6 doesn't do anything? I've tried changing the convergence in some games that nothing happened when I pressed the buttons, but others it worked.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
Asus 23" 3D Monitor
Nvidia GTX 460 GPU
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
Asus 23" 3D Monitor
Nvidia GTX 460 GPU
I have a 3D TV, and games look great on it in 3D. So I had a fistful of Best Buy gift cards and was able to get a 500ish dollar 3D PC monitor for around 200 bucks. I went with the purchase because there are tons more supported 3D PC games than console games.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
Asus 23" 3D Monitor
Nvidia GTX 460 GPU
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Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
I have a 3D TV, and games look great on it in 3D. So I had a fistful of Best Buy gift cards and was able to get a 500ish dollar 3D PC monitor for around 200 bucks. I went with the purchase because there are tons more supported 3D PC games than console games.
Anyway the monitor came today and I'm having tons of issues with it, and hope that somebody here might know what is wrong and help me. 90% of the games that I've tried to play with this new monitor have completely screwed up UIs, there seems to be more aliasing than there really should be, and even with tweaking the 3D isn't as impressive as anything I've played on my 3D TV. This monitor got good reviews, so something has to be wrong somewhere.
Anyway the major UI issues which is making games unplayable is worst with WoW and anything Steam related (IE steam overlay, or any menu options in source games). I can't even read these things.
Help, so I don't have to take back this monitor, I already sold my other one. =P
Asus 23" 3D Monitor
Nvidia GTX 460 GPU
Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
[/quote]No, I'm using the glasses that came with the Nvidia kit, and I've adjusted the wheel on the back of the transmitter a bit, but even if I get that working perfectly, the games aren't playable without a legible UI. Honestly If I can't get these UI's readable, I'm going to have to take the monitor back.
Might sound like silly questions but are you trying to use 3D glasses you got with your TV or did you buy the 3D Vision kit too? Are you running the monitor at 120Hz? Are you using a Dual Link DVI cable?
If you've got the 3D Vision kit go into the nVidia control panel and go to the 3D settings bit. Click keyboard shortcuts (or something to that effect, I can't check exactly as I'm on a laptop) and make a note of the shortcuts for depth. Enable the advanced controls and make a note of the shortcuts for convergance too. Start up a game and run it in 3D and change these two settings around until you get a good image.
3D gaming on the PC is far superior to anything the consoles can offer up if you can get it working.
No, I'm using the glasses that came with the Nvidia kit, and I've adjusted the wheel on the back of the transmitter a bit, but even if I get that working perfectly, the games aren't playable without a legible UI. Honestly If I can't get these UI's readable, I'm going to have to take the monitor back.
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
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can you post a pic of the bad UI.
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
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Thanks a bunch, that was part of it. When I put in the new monitor I just hooked up the DVI cable from the old monitor, I didn't know the new one was any different. Anyway things look a lot better, but right now some games are a trade off between really great 3D depth and some double imaging, or next to no depth to get rid of the double image. Any way to work that out so that I get the best of both worlds?
can you post a pic of the bad UI.
The UI is usually drawn at screen depth, so doesn't appear blurred in screen shots.
If the screen shot is clear and the image on the monitor isn't, the usual issue is the dual DVI cable, are you using the one that came with the monitor?
Thanks a bunch, that was part of it. When I put in the new monitor I just hooked up the DVI cable from the old monitor, I didn't know the new one was any different. Anyway things look a lot better, but right now some games are a trade off between really great 3D depth and some double imaging, or next to no depth to get rid of the double image. Any way to work that out so that I get the best of both worlds?
I have the same monitor and it works great, I love it. Based on the problems you described i would also have to agree that it sounds like your using a regular DVI-link cable and not the dual-link dvi cable that came with it.
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Yep that was it, so do you know of any ways to keep the awesome depth without having to give it up to get rid of the double imaging?
I have the same monitor and it works great, I love it. Based on the problems you described i would also have to agree that it sounds like your using a regular DVI-link cable and not the dual-link dvi cable that came with it.
Yep that was it, so do you know of any ways to keep the awesome depth without having to give it up to get rid of the double imaging?
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
I don't have my monitor yet (just ordered, stupid holiday shipping), so I'm not the most qualified to answer, but I think it's probably both tweaks and living with it. I believe several things work towards ghosting, and for some of those using a PC monitor just makes them worse. The biggest one that I seem to remember is distance. The farther you are away the less likely ghosting is to be noticeable. You're much closer to a PC screen than your TV, so notice it more or whatever. Another reason why you may have more is your settings for depth and convergence. These seem to directly impact ghosting and you have to find a sort of happy medium on the PC. On the consoles however, I seem to remember reading that they are locked values (and some of the "3d ready" games like Black Ops and Batman lock them too on PC) and I'm sure they've got them set in a way to minimize ghosting.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
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Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom. Does that mean my monitor is defective or I just need to do some massive adjusting?
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
I don't have my monitor yet (just ordered, stupid holiday shipping), so I'm not the most qualified to answer, but I think it's probably both tweaks and living with it. I believe several things work towards ghosting, and for some of those using a PC monitor just makes them worse. The biggest one that I seem to remember is distance. The farther you are away the less likely ghosting is to be noticeable. You're much closer to a PC screen than your TV, so notice it more or whatever. Another reason why you may have more is your settings for depth and convergence. These seem to directly impact ghosting and you have to find a sort of happy medium on the PC. On the consoles however, I seem to remember reading that they are locked values (and some of the "3d ready" games like Black Ops and Batman lock them too on PC) and I'm sure they've got them set in a way to minimize ghosting.
If you really want to test how much ghosting you have, and if it's just your settings and stuff, then I know there are a lot of ghosting tests out there that people use. When I get mine I know I'm going to google a lot of them and try them out. One of the more interesting/easy looking ones for that though is here http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/ghosting-test/ Seems pretty simple, and would be a nice test that (I'd think) wouldn't rely on depth and convergence and stuff.
Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom. Does that mean my monitor is defective or I just need to do some massive adjusting?
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom.
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
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I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
Ok I have looked at both those images, what exactly am I supposed to be seeing? I'm seeing both images mixing with my right eye shut, and it seems like the center of the glasses are darker than the outer edges on the left lens while doing it. With the black image I see pretty much the entire picture, and with the white one I can see most of it and some weird lines towards the bottom.
Oh also, how can I edit the convergence in games more easily? I try doing ctrl+F5/F6 and it doesn't do anything in any of the games I try it in.
I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
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I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
I wonder if you just got a bad monitor or something then. I mean I have nothing to compare it to personally, but if you look at the pic he took through the glasses for the samsung you can see it's very light and not too bad. Even though you can see most of the picture it's very light. Thats really what you're looking for, is how crisp/clear/vivid the image is. If you're getting even worse than that, on a monitor that is supposed to be one of the best, then something is definitely wrong somewhere. I can't speak for the rest with the varying brightness through glasses though.
Also, are you trying to edit the convergence with or without the glasses on? Everything I've read (again no first hand experience) says to do it WITHOUT them on so you can better see the separation of the images. Again if it doesn't work using the shortcut then maybe something is wrong with the monitor or drivers. Make sure you're saving the changes too, and if in doubt there is probably a reset button for those somewhere.
Quick question though... did you uninstall all your video drivers before turning on/installing the 3d drivers? I remember reading somewhere that you really have to do that yourself (not through the install wizard if there is an option there) unlike driver upgrades where if you don't it isn't a big deal. Either way you may just want to uninstall everything and start from scratch.
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
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But did you uninstall between the time you got the video card and monitor? Try that as I'm fairly sure that the correct instaltion procedure for 3d vision is:
Uninstall any and all nVidia drivers
Restart PC
Install 3d Vision cd package (found [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce-3d-vision-winvista-win7-cd-1.38-whql-driver.html"]here[/url] or [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce-3d-vision-winvista-win7-cd-1.42-whql-driver.html"]here for 570 and 580 owners[/url]
Restart PC
Enable 3d Vision and do the calibration and stuff through the 3d vision wizard
Speaking of calibrations... did you calibrate your Asus when you got it? Again mine isn't here, but I remember in like every review I've read they've said it is WAY out of whack straight out of the box and needs calibration. I know 3d mode locks down some settings, so don't know how much of an impact proper calibration will have on it, but it never hurts to do. Or redo (including the drivers) if you've done it before.
I got a new graphics card about a week before the monitor, I installed the latest graphic drivers, then when I got the monitor the latest 3D Vision drivers.
But did you uninstall between the time you got the video card and monitor? Try that as I'm fairly sure that the correct instaltion procedure for 3d vision is:
Uninstall any and all nVidia drivers
Restart PC
Install 3d Vision cd package (found here or here for 570 and 580 owners
Restart PC
Enable 3d Vision and do the calibration and stuff through the 3d vision wizard
Speaking of calibrations... did you calibrate your Asus when you got it? Again mine isn't here, but I remember in like every review I've read they've said it is WAY out of whack straight out of the box and needs calibration. I know 3d mode locks down some settings, so don't know how much of an impact proper calibration will have on it, but it never hurts to do. Or redo (including the drivers) if you've done it before.
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I have the Asus and also had some issues with the 3D not working, but then i reinstalled the drivers both display and 3D to the latest and it started working perfectly.
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Did the 3D not work correctly or not work at all for you?
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Tomec the monitor is pretty well calibrated out of the box, I checked a website dedicated to testing your monitor's settings and it all looked good. So you're telling me that the difference between unistaling the previous drivers before installing the new ones might be the difference between bad ghosting and less/no ghosting? So should I reinstall ALL video and 3D drivers for both the 3D kit and the graphics card, or just the 3D kit?
Edit 2: So how do you change convergence on games that Ctrl+F5/F6 doesn't do anything? I've tried changing the convergence in some games that nothing happened when I pressed the buttons, but others it worked.
I have the Asus and also had some issues with the 3D not working, but then i reinstalled the drivers both display and 3D to the latest and it started working perfectly.
Did the 3D not work correctly or not work at all for you?
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Tomec the monitor is pretty well calibrated out of the box, I checked a website dedicated to testing your monitor's settings and it all looked good. So you're telling me that the difference between unistaling the previous drivers before installing the new ones might be the difference between bad ghosting and less/no ghosting? So should I reinstall ALL video and 3D drivers for both the 3D kit and the graphics card, or just the 3D kit?
Edit 2: So how do you change convergence on games that Ctrl+F5/F6 doesn't do anything? I've tried changing the convergence in some games that nothing happened when I pressed the buttons, but others it worked.