3D Vision support still lack luster, Andrew
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afik, those waiting for 3D 1080p need to wait for hdmi 1.4. HDMI 1.3 max bandwidth is [url="http://www.hdmi.org/press/pr/pr_20060622.aspx"]340 MHz[/url] while 1920x1080@120 requires [url="http://www.csgnetwork.com/videosignalcalc.html"]373.2 MHz[/url]. I think there will be announcements at CES for 3D 1080p, products around oct/nov & 'affordable' (IMO) large displays/projectors in 2011.

What I'd appreciate from NVIDIA is clarification on what works and what will not work. If I have a projector that will sync to 120Hz will it work? It seems like a simple question...I've been around this site reading about this stuff in some detail for a few weeks and the only answer I've been able to find is 'maybe - using the generic DLP/CRT option'.

I think it is likely that we will see many 720p 3D capable displays before 1080p 3D is a reality....it would be awesome if Nvidia would bin this supported display garbage and simply state in black and white what a display needs to be capable of to run this system.
afik, those waiting for 3D 1080p need to wait for hdmi 1.4. HDMI 1.3 max bandwidth is 340 MHz while 1920x1080@120 requires 373.2 MHz. I think there will be announcements at CES for 3D 1080p, products around oct/nov & 'affordable' (IMO) large displays/projectors in 2011.



What I'd appreciate from NVIDIA is clarification on what works and what will not work. If I have a projector that will sync to 120Hz will it work? It seems like a simple question...I've been around this site reading about this stuff in some detail for a few weeks and the only answer I've been able to find is 'maybe - using the generic DLP/CRT option'.



I think it is likely that we will see many 720p 3D capable displays before 1080p 3D is a reality....it would be awesome if Nvidia would bin this supported display garbage and simply state in black and white what a display needs to be capable of to run this system.

#16
Posted 12/22/2009 04:06 AM   
[quote name='DarkElfa' post='967893' date='Dec 20 2009, 04:28 PM']Whats here are a pitiful showing of smallish PC monitors, a grouping of Mitsubishi DLP's which will need a 400$ lamp replacement in 9 months with how much I use a monitor[/quote]


Actually just bought the Mintsubishi DLP 60inch and the bulbs are 99 bucks not $400. And DLP Tv's ROCK!!!
[quote name='DarkElfa' post='967893' date='Dec 20 2009, 04:28 PM']Whats here are a pitiful showing of smallish PC monitors, a grouping of Mitsubishi DLP's which will need a 400$ lamp replacement in 9 months with how much I use a monitor





Actually just bought the Mintsubishi DLP 60inch and the bulbs are 99 bucks not $400. And DLP Tv's ROCK!!!

#17
Posted 12/22/2009 04:56 AM   
[quote name='smbergie200' post='968724' date='Dec 21 2009, 11:56 PM']Actually just bought the Mitsubishi DLP 60inch and the bulbs are 99 bucks not $400. And DLP Tv's ROCK!!![/quote]

Oh, I don't doubt the quality of DLP pictures, I own one presently. However there are things a DLP just can't do like be put into portrait mode. Plus, 99 bucks may be so if you buy 3rd party lamps but seeing as they can be hit or miss, its not a gamble I want play with. Also, as I said, being I would be using this for primary film viewing, PC work and gaming and being that my present monitor sees 14 hours of use every day on average, I'd go through bulbs like mad and even at 100 a pop, that's way too much for maintenance costs and too often.

I agree with you Ginhead but for me, I just want to know if the list they provide is accurate or if it just includes partners, like when a noodle mix is partners with Land O' Lakes butter so it says tastes best if made with Land O' Lakes even though any butter will do. I noticed the list is pretty much nothing but Viewsonic, Mitsubishi and Acer. Sure, there's some Samsung and Lightspeed but its hard to believe that nobody is building anything mainstream.

EmmSqd, I understand the way things work here, its just seems incredulous to me is all since you can't make it a non niche product until you put out a main stream devise to support it. DLP, though great as they may be are on their way out to pasture along with Plasma even. Its as if Nvidia said "Here's cutting edge 3D tech, let's support it with nearly obsolete viewing options. If I'm spend 3000$ on a new set, I want whats new and great, not whats already being replaced. The laser TV is the only thing that comes close to that criteria but at a cost that boggles my wallet.
[quote name='smbergie200' post='968724' date='Dec 21 2009, 11:56 PM']Actually just bought the Mitsubishi DLP 60inch and the bulbs are 99 bucks not $400. And DLP Tv's ROCK!!!



Oh, I don't doubt the quality of DLP pictures, I own one presently. However there are things a DLP just can't do like be put into portrait mode. Plus, 99 bucks may be so if you buy 3rd party lamps but seeing as they can be hit or miss, its not a gamble I want play with. Also, as I said, being I would be using this for primary film viewing, PC work and gaming and being that my present monitor sees 14 hours of use every day on average, I'd go through bulbs like mad and even at 100 a pop, that's way too much for maintenance costs and too often.



I agree with you Ginhead but for me, I just want to know if the list they provide is accurate or if it just includes partners, like when a noodle mix is partners with Land O' Lakes butter so it says tastes best if made with Land O' Lakes even though any butter will do. I noticed the list is pretty much nothing but Viewsonic, Mitsubishi and Acer. Sure, there's some Samsung and Lightspeed but its hard to believe that nobody is building anything mainstream.



EmmSqd, I understand the way things work here, its just seems incredulous to me is all since you can't make it a non niche product until you put out a main stream devise to support it. DLP, though great as they may be are on their way out to pasture along with Plasma even. Its as if Nvidia said "Here's cutting edge 3D tech, let's support it with nearly obsolete viewing options. If I'm spend 3000$ on a new set, I want whats new and great, not whats already being replaced. The laser TV is the only thing that comes close to that criteria but at a cost that boggles my wallet.

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Posted 12/22/2009 04:45 PM   
[quote name='DarkElfa' post='968954' date='Dec 23 2009, 03:45 AM']EmmSqd, I understand the way things work here, its just seems incredulous to me is all since you can't make it a non niche product until you put out a main stream devise to support it. DLP, though great as they may be are on their way out to pasture along with Plasma even. Its as if Nvidia said "Here's cutting edge 3D tech, let's support it with nearly obsolete viewing options. If I'm spend 3000$ on a new set, I want whats new and great, not whats already being replaced. The laser TV is the only thing that comes close to that criteria but at a cost that boggles my wallet.[/quote]

I see your point but it becomes a circular argument. I think the tech will go mainstream but it won't have anything to do with Nivida & screen manufacturers colluding to give a relatively small bunch of gamers what they want. What will drive it are the movie studios & big multi-media companies who are looking for the 'next big thing' when it comes to opium for the masses.

Once Hollywood gets fully on board (and it's starting to happen with releases like Avatar), and your average Joe decides he needs to have that same cinematic 3D effect in his lounge room, only then will we start to see the sort evolution in displays that you are looking for. Hopefully, Nivdia will keep their tech in line with emerging trends & not try to lock the early supporters into propritary standards but only time will tell on this score.
[quote name='DarkElfa' post='968954' date='Dec 23 2009, 03:45 AM']EmmSqd, I understand the way things work here, its just seems incredulous to me is all since you can't make it a non niche product until you put out a main stream devise to support it. DLP, though great as they may be are on their way out to pasture along with Plasma even. Its as if Nvidia said "Here's cutting edge 3D tech, let's support it with nearly obsolete viewing options. If I'm spend 3000$ on a new set, I want whats new and great, not whats already being replaced. The laser TV is the only thing that comes close to that criteria but at a cost that boggles my wallet.



I see your point but it becomes a circular argument. I think the tech will go mainstream but it won't have anything to do with Nivida & screen manufacturers colluding to give a relatively small bunch of gamers what they want. What will drive it are the movie studios & big multi-media companies who are looking for the 'next big thing' when it comes to opium for the masses.



Once Hollywood gets fully on board (and it's starting to happen with releases like Avatar), and your average Joe decides he needs to have that same cinematic 3D effect in his lounge room, only then will we start to see the sort evolution in displays that you are looking for. Hopefully, Nivdia will keep their tech in line with emerging trends & not try to lock the early supporters into propritary standards but only time will tell on this score.

#19
Posted 12/22/2009 10:32 PM   
I am sorry if you thought I was speeking directly to you. When I speak directly to a person I do as I am now and I quote what they said that I am replying to. I was making a broad statement to whom ever fits into that catagory.

[quote name='DarkElfa' post='968634' date='Dec 21 2009, 07:16 PM']I'm very educated on this topic, thank you. That's exactly why I'm bringing this up. I'm not "calling out" Andrew, I simply want to know if there is really going to be anything in the prime LCD market upcoming that will support this technology or will I have to go a different route or even give up altogether. Its very much Nvidia's responsibility to get more hardware choices on board when its their 3D they're toting. I ask Andrew by name because he's the only person from Nvidia who seems to respond around here. If you pronounce that you have the best 3D out there and then have a poor selection of monitor choices a year after launch, its hard to have much faith that this will pan out and become a stable option for future viewing. I'm ready to drop 3 grand or more in a few months on 3D tech and I'm trying to weigh all my options here. I just expected Nvidia to put forth more effort than they have since they do appear to have the best tech going ATM. If you want to call it anything, call it disappointment. TBH, I'm upset that if I want this option that the TV choices all have unwanted drawbacks right now which I already named in detail.

There's no need to get defensive about it in any case. I'm not looking to insult the man or the company but they made certain claims a while back that more choices would appear and yet few new ones have thus far. What I want is what nearly everyone shopping for a new TV is buying right now, a 1080p LCD in the 40" - 60" range. Its Nvidia's tech and therefor their job to get their supported manufacturers rolling on it. I'm not sure what it is you want me to further educate myself on here, the list of what is supported is clearly visibly on Nvidia's site and I've looked at each and every single one in detail and they're all either too small, have too short a lifespan or are way too expensive. I very much want to buy in on this, I really, desperately do but the monitor choice is the only hold out left. SO what I want from Andrew is what only he and Nvidia can give me, some faith that there are definitely better choices coming and soon so that I have a real reason to hold out.[/quote]
I am sorry if you thought I was speeking directly to you. When I speak directly to a person I do as I am now and I quote what they said that I am replying to. I was making a broad statement to whom ever fits into that catagory.



[quote name='DarkElfa' post='968634' date='Dec 21 2009, 07:16 PM']I'm very educated on this topic, thank you. That's exactly why I'm bringing this up. I'm not "calling out" Andrew, I simply want to know if there is really going to be anything in the prime LCD market upcoming that will support this technology or will I have to go a different route or even give up altogether. Its very much Nvidia's responsibility to get more hardware choices on board when its their 3D they're toting. I ask Andrew by name because he's the only person from Nvidia who seems to respond around here. If you pronounce that you have the best 3D out there and then have a poor selection of monitor choices a year after launch, its hard to have much faith that this will pan out and become a stable option for future viewing. I'm ready to drop 3 grand or more in a few months on 3D tech and I'm trying to weigh all my options here. I just expected Nvidia to put forth more effort than they have since they do appear to have the best tech going ATM. If you want to call it anything, call it disappointment. TBH, I'm upset that if I want this option that the TV choices all have unwanted drawbacks right now which I already named in detail.



There's no need to get defensive about it in any case. I'm not looking to insult the man or the company but they made certain claims a while back that more choices would appear and yet few new ones have thus far. What I want is what nearly everyone shopping for a new TV is buying right now, a 1080p LCD in the 40" - 60" range. Its Nvidia's tech and therefor their job to get their supported manufacturers rolling on it. I'm not sure what it is you want me to further educate myself on here, the list of what is supported is clearly visibly on Nvidia's site and I've looked at each and every single one in detail and they're all either too small, have too short a lifespan or are way too expensive. I very much want to buy in on this, I really, desperately do but the monitor choice is the only hold out left. SO what I want from Andrew is what only he and Nvidia can give me, some faith that there are definitely better choices coming and soon so that I have a real reason to hold out.

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#20
Posted 12/22/2009 10:39 PM   
Its cool ExtremeGrandpa, I wasn't angry, just trying to make sure that everyone is aware that I've researched this quite extensively. Nvidia is trying to push forward their 3D into being the best mainstream alternative out there for 3D and I support them in that effort. My fear is that because they have yet to expand their monitor choices into mainstream purchase sizes and types that they'll end up being left behind while someone else comes out with what actually ends up as the winning 3D solution. Mitsubishi seemed to be in support of Nvidia's 3D but while they've included this support on their laser and standard DLP's, they've gone nowhere in incorporating this tech into their extensive LCD lineup.

Shutter technology is great but someone is going to have to launch a version for the home that uses only polarized lenses eventually. Sense that won't need batteries and the glasses will be cheap, I can only imagine that it will end up becoming that exact winning solution I was referring to. It sucks not knowing what to do here. I hate the thought of waiting another year to do this but none of the sets can do what else I need a set to do ATM. That's why I wanted to atract Andrew's attention, I was hoping he could tell me without violating his company's trust whether or not some large LCD's would be coming in the next 4 months.
Its cool ExtremeGrandpa, I wasn't angry, just trying to make sure that everyone is aware that I've researched this quite extensively. Nvidia is trying to push forward their 3D into being the best mainstream alternative out there for 3D and I support them in that effort. My fear is that because they have yet to expand their monitor choices into mainstream purchase sizes and types that they'll end up being left behind while someone else comes out with what actually ends up as the winning 3D solution. Mitsubishi seemed to be in support of Nvidia's 3D but while they've included this support on their laser and standard DLP's, they've gone nowhere in incorporating this tech into their extensive LCD lineup.



Shutter technology is great but someone is going to have to launch a version for the home that uses only polarized lenses eventually. Sense that won't need batteries and the glasses will be cheap, I can only imagine that it will end up becoming that exact winning solution I was referring to. It sucks not knowing what to do here. I hate the thought of waiting another year to do this but none of the sets can do what else I need a set to do ATM. That's why I wanted to atract Andrew's attention, I was hoping he could tell me without violating his company's trust whether or not some large LCD's would be coming in the next 4 months.

#21
Posted 12/24/2009 05:17 AM   
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