man i hope this works someday and especially for old school open gl games. i have been dying to play descent 3 in 3d. anyone figure out how to download the code? the links were not working for me.
man i hope this works someday and especially for old school open gl games. i have been dying to play descent 3 in 3d. anyone figure out how to download the code? the links were not working for me.
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='14 December 2010 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1292390532' post='1161211']
man i hope this works someday and especially for old school open gl games. i have been dying to play descent 3 in 3d. anyone figure out how to download the code? the links were not working for me.
[/quote]
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='14 December 2010 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1292390532' post='1161211']
man i hope this works someday and especially for old school open gl games. i have been dying to play descent 3 in 3d. anyone figure out how to download the code? the links were not working for me.
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1292434857' post='1161474']
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
regards,
photios
[/quote]
interesting idea. thanks for sharing. i wish i had time to try this right now. maybe someday soon. I am curious, do you have the DLP tv working on a old school stereo solution? I am wondering how you get the drivers to output checkerboard 3d, also how do the old school drivers deal with over scan? you mentioned a registry hack. very interesting. do they include the re size desktop utility that the newer drivers have? thank you for the information. do you think the old school drivers would work with the newer 120hrz projectors? i wish to tricord on a huge screen.
D3 works ok in opengl. there is a small bug but we work around it. i actually found a really nice glide wrapper that runs the game in dx, it even activates the 3d glasses, however there is no 3d perspective, only glasses sync.
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1292434857' post='1161474']
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
regards,
photios
interesting idea. thanks for sharing. i wish i had time to try this right now. maybe someday soon. I am curious, do you have the DLP tv working on a old school stereo solution? I am wondering how you get the drivers to output checkerboard 3d, also how do the old school drivers deal with over scan? you mentioned a registry hack. very interesting. do they include the re size desktop utility that the newer drivers have? thank you for the information. do you think the old school drivers would work with the newer 120hrz projectors? i wish to tricord on a huge screen.
D3 works ok in opengl. there is a small bug but we work around it. i actually found a really nice glide wrapper that runs the game in dx, it even activates the 3d glasses, however there is no 3d perspective, only glasses sync.
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1292434857' post='1161474']
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways),
[/quote]
oh, interesting side note, the 295 does use only one gpu for physx, however in games with heavy physx usage there is a huge performance increase through my own personal benchmark testing. batman and mafia for example. I run much higher image quality than most so i think i benefit more from not having the 480's switch back and forth. most people that tested this before had not tried it in 3d and had the opposite results, but for whatever reason, i saw huge gains with and extra 20 FPS.
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1292434857' post='1161474']
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways),
oh, interesting side note, the 295 does use only one gpu for physx, however in games with heavy physx usage there is a huge performance increase through my own personal benchmark testing. batman and mafia for example. I run much higher image quality than most so i think i benefit more from not having the 480's switch back and forth. most people that tested this before had not tried it in 3d and had the opposite results, but for whatever reason, i saw huge gains with and extra 20 FPS.
Daniel,
I have the exact same tv as you so yes I game on my DLP using the old stereo method. Overscan is handled just like the modern drivers with DLP's using the desktop size and width. In fact the tool is identical. The 91.47 drivers allow the slider adjustment to bring in your image. I think I use 1824x1036 on both my 3D vision setup and the old rig. The old school method has several types of displays that are close to checkerboard, namely SeeReal vertical interleave. Checkerboard is fully implemented by using a reg hack to that method. It's quite simple and I always keep it on my desktop.
I'm playing through Doom 3 right now in stereo and it is amazing. So much fun and I have no ghosting whatsoever.
I don't believe the old method will support 120 hz lcd's because you will not have glasses support. Your best choice is using your dlp which you already own or a Zalman. It also supports crt's using e-dimensional glasses. Don't bother tho, just use ur dlp, it's better anyways.
I have the exact same tv as you so yes I game on my DLP using the old stereo method. Overscan is handled just like the modern drivers with DLP's using the desktop size and width. In fact the tool is identical. The 91.47 drivers allow the slider adjustment to bring in your image. I think I use 1824x1036 on both my 3D vision setup and the old rig. The old school method has several types of displays that are close to checkerboard, namely SeeReal vertical interleave. Checkerboard is fully implemented by using a reg hack to that method. It's quite simple and I always keep it on my desktop.
I'm playing through Doom 3 right now in stereo and it is amazing. So much fun and I have no ghosting whatsoever.
I don't believe the old method will support 120 hz lcd's because you will not have glasses support. Your best choice is using your dlp which you already own or a Zalman. It also supports crt's using e-dimensional glasses. Don't bother tho, just use ur dlp, it's better anyways.
[quote name='photios' date='20 December 2010 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1292865675' post='1163913']
I'll post up a screenshot or two of Descent 3 so you can see how it looks.
[/quote]
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
Thank you.
[quote name='photios' date='20 December 2010 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1292865675' post='1163913']
I'll post up a screenshot or two of Descent 3 so you can see how it looks.
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
[quote name='vitosky' date='10 January 2011 - 01:37 PM' timestamp='1294688230' post='1174825']
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
Thank you.
[/quote]
[quote name='vitosky' date='10 January 2011 - 01:37 PM' timestamp='1294688230' post='1174825']
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1292434857' post='1161474']
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide).
[/quote]
Hi Daniel, thank you very much for your advise, which can also lead my way. Anyway, [font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]I have been reading different forums and have seen several times the legacy drivers only support up to windows xp, up to nVidia 7950 GPUs but... there are "[/size][/font][url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/NVIDIA-3D-Stereo-Driver-174.76-(official)-download-1892.html"]stereo drivers[/url][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]" for drivers Forceware 174.74, which have versions even for [/size][/font][url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/ForceWare-174.74-Vista-(64-bit)-WHQL-download-1888.html"]Windows Vista x64[/url][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"] and, of course [/size][/font][url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/ForceWare-174.74-XP-(32-bit)-WHQL-download-1890.html"]Windows XP x32[/url][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"] (WHQL). This driver comes with full support for all GeForce graphics cards from the GeForce 6, 7, [b]8, and 9 series[/b]. Apart from this, even for nVidia 7900 there are newest drivers, why do you recommend 91.47 for stereo? [/size][/font][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]I am thinking of buying one of those cards so I would really appreciate If you have deeper info on this: has anyone really verified 7950 GPUs are the last supported, or it is just a rumour believed to be true because it has been copied uncountable times from forum to forum? Any light on this?[/size][/font]
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[font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]And about consolidating both solutions into only one PC... [/size][/font][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]how does the PC know which card to activate when booting? is it necessary to disable the newest card in device manager?[/size][/font]
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[font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]Thanks in advance for your help.[/size][/font]
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1292434857' post='1161474']
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide).
Hi Daniel, thank you very much for your advise, which can also lead my way. Anyway, I have been reading different forums and have seen several times the legacy drivers only support up to windows xp, up to nVidia 7950 GPUs but... there are "stereo drivers" for drivers Forceware 174.74, which have versions even for Windows Vista x64 and, of course Windows XP x32 (WHQL). This driver comes with full support for all GeForce graphics cards from the GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 series. Apart from this, even for nVidia 7900 there are newest drivers, why do you recommend 91.47 for stereo? I am thinking of buying one of those cards so I would really appreciate If you have deeper info on this: has anyone really verified 7950 GPUs are the last supported, or it is just a rumour believed to be true because it has been copied uncountable times from forum to forum? Any light on this?
And about consolidating both solutions into only one PC... how does the PC know which card to activate when booting? is it necessary to disable the newest card in device manager?
[quote name='echeva' date='13 November 2011 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1321214633' post='1325809']
Hi Daniel, thank you...
Thanks. I also asked in [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=194834&view=findpost&p=1325921"]another thread, and have been answered[/url].
echeva,
I have no knowledge of using the 174.76 stereo drivers on Windows Vista and do not know what displays it supports. For instance 162.50 stereo driver does not support very many display modes (unless you do the vga pin mod), only a few that I know of. You can get around it by doing the pin mod on CRT's. I recommend the 91.47 because it's the 90 series driver when you use with the 16X.XX .xml profile for added game support, and it support numerous displays including DLP checkerboard with a registry change (which is what I use).
Unless I understand and have tried 174.76 stereo driver myself, I will not recommend it for a setup. Hope that helps...
I have no knowledge of using the 174.76 stereo drivers on Windows Vista and do not know what displays it supports. For instance 162.50 stereo driver does not support very many display modes (unless you do the vga pin mod), only a few that I know of. You can get around it by doing the pin mod on CRT's. I recommend the 91.47 because it's the 90 series driver when you use with the 16X.XX .xml profile for added game support, and it support numerous displays including DLP checkerboard with a registry change (which is what I use).
Unless I understand and have tried 174.76 stereo driver myself, I will not recommend it for a setup. Hope that helps...
[url="http://www.badlogicgames.com/wordpress/?p=1326"]http://www.badlogicgames.com/wordpress/?p=1326[/url]
looks interesting, has anyone heard anything about it?
http://www.badlogicgames.com/wordpress/?p=1326
looks interesting, has anyone heard anything about it?
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
man i hope this works someday and especially for old school open gl games. i have been dying to play descent 3 in 3d. anyone figure out how to download the code? the links were not working for me.
[/quote]
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
regards,
photios
man i hope this works someday and especially for old school open gl games. i have been dying to play descent 3 in 3d. anyone figure out how to download the code? the links were not working for me.
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
regards,
photios
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
regards,
photios
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interesting idea. thanks for sharing. i wish i had time to try this right now. maybe someday soon. I am curious, do you have the DLP tv working on a old school stereo solution? I am wondering how you get the drivers to output checkerboard 3d, also how do the old school drivers deal with over scan? you mentioned a registry hack. very interesting. do they include the re size desktop utility that the newer drivers have? thank you for the information. do you think the old school drivers would work with the newer 120hrz projectors? i wish to tricord on a huge screen.
D3 works ok in opengl. there is a small bug but we work around it. i actually found a really nice glide wrapper that runs the game in dx, it even activates the 3d glasses, however there is no 3d perspective, only glasses sync.
nglide
http://www.zeus-software.com/downloads/nglide
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide). If you are interested, I can post screenshots of all this as well.
I have two machines that do this, one for 3D Vision, and a 7900 GTX SLI system for old school stereo gaming, but you could consolidate it all into one machine. SLI in stereo adds an avg ~5-10 frames, so it isn't really worth the cost IMO for an old school rig. The implementation of stereo SLI on the old school rig is Split Frame Rendering for Stereo. The Alternate Frame Rendering is used on 2D still though.
It'd be nice if Nvidia would just implement older directx path and opengl, but I have my doubts that they will ever get this done. You can do it NOW, and your DLP is tons better than any of the other displays that were supported under the old method (Zalman monitors being about the same except they are small).
Or you can wait and see if this guy can deliver on a conversion, but from what I remember Descent 3 was buggy in Opengl and better in directx.
It's also unclear of what OpenGL path this conversion is going to work with...
regards,
photios
interesting idea. thanks for sharing. i wish i had time to try this right now. maybe someday soon. I am curious, do you have the DLP tv working on a old school stereo solution? I am wondering how you get the drivers to output checkerboard 3d, also how do the old school drivers deal with over scan? you mentioned a registry hack. very interesting. do they include the re size desktop utility that the newer drivers have? thank you for the information. do you think the old school drivers would work with the newer 120hrz projectors? i wish to tricord on a huge screen.
D3 works ok in opengl. there is a small bug but we work around it. i actually found a really nice glide wrapper that runs the game in dx, it even activates the 3d glasses, however there is no 3d perspective, only glasses sync.
nglide
http://www.zeus-software.com/downloads/nglide
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways),
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oh, interesting side note, the 295 does use only one gpu for physx, however in games with heavy physx usage there is a huge performance increase through my own personal benchmark testing. batman and mafia for example. I run much higher image quality than most so i think i benefit more from not having the 480's switch back and forth. most people that tested this before had not tried it in 3d and had the opposite results, but for whatever reason, i saw huge gains with and extra 20 FPS.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=168945
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways),
oh, interesting side note, the 295 does use only one gpu for physx, however in games with heavy physx usage there is a huge performance increase through my own personal benchmark testing. batman and mafia for example. I run much higher image quality than most so i think i benefit more from not having the 480's switch back and forth. most people that tested this before had not tried it in 3d and had the opposite results, but for whatever reason, i saw huge gains with and extra 20 FPS.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=168945
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
I have the exact same tv as you so yes I game on my DLP using the old stereo method. Overscan is handled just like the modern drivers with DLP's using the desktop size and width. In fact the tool is identical. The 91.47 drivers allow the slider adjustment to bring in your image. I think I use 1824x1036 on both my 3D vision setup and the old rig. The old school method has several types of displays that are close to checkerboard, namely SeeReal vertical interleave. Checkerboard is fully implemented by using a reg hack to that method. It's quite simple and I always keep it on my desktop.
I'm playing through Doom 3 right now in stereo and it is amazing. So much fun and I have no ghosting whatsoever.
I don't believe the old method will support 120 hz lcd's because you will not have glasses support. Your best choice is using your dlp which you already own or a Zalman. It also supports crt's using e-dimensional glasses. Don't bother tho, just use ur dlp, it's better anyways.
I have the exact same tv as you so yes I game on my DLP using the old stereo method. Overscan is handled just like the modern drivers with DLP's using the desktop size and width. In fact the tool is identical. The 91.47 drivers allow the slider adjustment to bring in your image. I think I use 1824x1036 on both my 3D vision setup and the old rig. The old school method has several types of displays that are close to checkerboard, namely SeeReal vertical interleave. Checkerboard is fully implemented by using a reg hack to that method. It's quite simple and I always keep it on my desktop.
I'm playing through Doom 3 right now in stereo and it is amazing. So much fun and I have no ghosting whatsoever.
I don't believe the old method will support 120 hz lcd's because you will not have glasses support. Your best choice is using your dlp which you already own or a Zalman. It also supports crt's using e-dimensional glasses. Don't bother tho, just use ur dlp, it's better anyways.
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
thank you Photios for the information.
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I'll post up a screenshot or two of Descent 3 so you can see how it looks.
thank you Photios for the information.
I'll post up a screenshot or two of Descent 3 so you can see how it looks.
I'll post up a screenshot or two of Descent 3 so you can see how it looks.
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Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
Thank you.
I'll post up a screenshot or two of Descent 3 so you can see how it looks.
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
Thank you.
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
Thank you.
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Yes, thanks for reminding me.
Hello photios, Descent 3 work with Nvidia 91.31 stereo driver too? With which profile you play Directx or OpenGL? You can post the screenshots of Descent 3 in 3d stereo with old stereo drivers?
Thank you.
Yes, thanks for reminding me.
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide).
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Hi Daniel, thank you very much for your advise, which can also lead my way. Anyway, [font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]I have been reading different forums and have seen several times the legacy drivers only support up to windows xp, up to nVidia 7950 GPUs but... there are "[/size][/font][url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/NVIDIA-3D-Stereo-Driver-174.76-(official)-download-1892.html"]stereo drivers[/url][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]" for drivers Forceware 174.74, which have versions even for [/size][/font][url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/ForceWare-174.74-Vista-(64-bit)-WHQL-download-1888.html"]Windows Vista x64[/url][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"] and, of course [/size][/font][url="http://downloads.guru3d.com/ForceWare-174.74-XP-(32-bit)-WHQL-download-1890.html"]Windows XP x32[/url][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"] (WHQL). This driver comes with full support for all GeForce graphics cards from the GeForce 6, 7, [b]8, and 9 series[/b]. Apart from this, even for nVidia 7900 there are newest drivers, why do you recommend 91.47 for stereo? [/size][/font][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]I am thinking of buying one of those cards so I would really appreciate If you have deeper info on this: has anyone really verified 7950 GPUs are the last supported, or it is just a rumour believed to be true because it has been copied uncountable times from forum to forum? Any light on this?[/size][/font]
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[font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]And about consolidating both solutions into only one PC... [/size][/font][font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]how does the PC know which card to activate when booting? is it necessary to disable the newest card in device manager?[/size][/font]
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[font="arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif"][size="2"]Thanks in advance for your help.[/size][/font]
Daniel,
Here's an idea for you and it will work. Take out your GTX 295 that you use for Physx (you're GTX 480's, should do a better job then the single GTX 275 on that GTX 295, Physx probably only be using one gpu on that 295 anyways), sell it or find a new home for it, go to ebay and find yourself a quality Nvidia 7900GTX (this will be the fastest old school stereo solution minus SLI 7900GTX) and put it in that PCI-e slot, buy another hard drive for a Windows XP 32 bit boot, along with some DLP Link glasses (Xpand 102 or Optoma BG-ZD101). Dual Boot Windows 7 64 bit and Windows XP 32 bit and install drivers 91.47 forceware and stereo for the 7900GTX (don't install drivers for the GTX 480's and just disable them in Device Manager). Hook up your 7900GTX to another HDMI display port on your DLP TV. You'll be able to play Descent 3 in 3D stereo and it works WELL and tons of other games like Doom 3. Your DLP will be supported by a very simple reg hack (which I can provide).
Hi Daniel, thank you very much for your advise, which can also lead my way. Anyway, I have been reading different forums and have seen several times the legacy drivers only support up to windows xp, up to nVidia 7950 GPUs but... there are "stereo drivers" for drivers Forceware 174.74, which have versions even for Windows Vista x64 and, of course Windows XP x32 (WHQL). This driver comes with full support for all GeForce graphics cards from the GeForce 6, 7, 8, and 9 series. Apart from this, even for nVidia 7900 there are newest drivers, why do you recommend 91.47 for stereo? I am thinking of buying one of those cards so I would really appreciate If you have deeper info on this: has anyone really verified 7950 GPUs are the last supported, or it is just a rumour believed to be true because it has been copied uncountable times from forum to forum? Any light on this?
And about consolidating both solutions into only one PC... how does the PC know which card to activate when booting? is it necessary to disable the newest card in device manager?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Daniel, thank you...
Thanks. I also asked in [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=194834&view=findpost&p=1325921"]another thread, and have been answered[/url].
Hi Daniel, thank you...
Thanks. I also asked in another thread, and have been answered.
I have no knowledge of using the 174.76 stereo drivers on Windows Vista and do not know what displays it supports. For instance 162.50 stereo driver does not support very many display modes (unless you do the vga pin mod), only a few that I know of. You can get around it by doing the pin mod on CRT's. I recommend the 91.47 because it's the 90 series driver when you use with the 16X.XX .xml profile for added game support, and it support numerous displays including DLP checkerboard with a registry change (which is what I use).
Unless I understand and have tried 174.76 stereo driver myself, I will not recommend it for a setup. Hope that helps...
photios
I have no knowledge of using the 174.76 stereo drivers on Windows Vista and do not know what displays it supports. For instance 162.50 stereo driver does not support very many display modes (unless you do the vga pin mod), only a few that I know of. You can get around it by doing the pin mod on CRT's. I recommend the 91.47 because it's the 90 series driver when you use with the 16X.XX .xml profile for added game support, and it support numerous displays including DLP checkerboard with a registry change (which is what I use).
Unless I understand and have tried 174.76 stereo driver myself, I will not recommend it for a setup. Hope that helps...
photios