How important is CPU performance for 3d vision?
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That thing seems huge! You might find that you like its performance enough to not bother going to AIO :)
That thing seems huge! You might find that you like its performance enough to not bother going to AIO :)

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

Posted 03/17/2017 08:45 PM   
I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs): - i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch) - 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings) - Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€ - Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€ - EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand) This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations. For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision? Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.
I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs):

- i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch)
- 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings)
- Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€
- Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€
- EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand)

This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations.

For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision?

Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.

CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K @ 4.9GHz
Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
RAM: GSKILL Ripjaws Z 16GB 3866MHz CL18
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080Ti Gaming X Trio
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
Speakers: Logitech Z506
Donations account: masterotakusuko@gmail.com

Posted 03/17/2017 08:55 PM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]That thing seems huge! You might find that you like its performance enough to not bother going to AIO :)[/quote]Yeah, i'll try and really give it a spin sometime this weekend. I'll take some pictures too and post them here. I really want to show you guys what gains I get in 3d.
RAGEdemon said:That thing seems huge! You might find that you like its performance enough to not bother going to AIO :)
Yeah, i'll try and really give it a spin sometime this weekend. I'll take some pictures too and post them here. I really want to show you guys what gains I get in 3d.

Posted 03/17/2017 09:52 PM   
[quote="masterotaku"]I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs): - i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch) - 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings) - Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€ - Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€ - EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand) This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations. For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision? Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.[/quote]Yeah, I ended up getting 3200 mhz for now. If the prices come back to earth i'll look into 3800 mhz. Fast memory has real gains on performance. Even more so than ocing.
masterotaku said:I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs):

- i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch)
- 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings)
- Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€
- Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€
- EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand)

This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations.

For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision?

Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.
Yeah, I ended up getting 3200 mhz for now. If the prices come back to earth i'll look into 3800 mhz. Fast memory has real gains on performance. Even more so than ocing.

Posted 03/17/2017 09:57 PM   
[quote="tygeezy"][quote="masterotaku"]I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs): - i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch) - 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings) - Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€ - Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€ - EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand) This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations. For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision? Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.[/quote]Yeah, I ended up getting 3200 mhz for now. If the prices come back to earth i'll look into 3800 mhz. Fast memory has real gains on performance. Even more so than ocing.[/quote] just buy superflower 1600W have not regred bying full blast over the top psu. the fans never spin up. it can take almoust hour of 800w load before it heat´s up and stars the fans. i had corsair hx750w before and the fans were like bat out of hell as soon as i launched a game.
tygeezy said:
masterotaku said:I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs):

- i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch)
- 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings)
- Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€
- Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€
- EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand)

This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations.

For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision?

Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.
Yeah, I ended up getting 3200 mhz for now. If the prices come back to earth i'll look into 3800 mhz. Fast memory has real gains on performance. Even more so than ocing.


just buy superflower 1600W
have not regred bying full blast over the top psu.
the fans never spin up. it can take almoust hour of 800w load before it heat´s up and stars
the fans. i had corsair hx750w before and the fans were like bat out of hell as soon as i launched
a game.

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I7-8700k@4.7
TitanX pascal with shitty stock cooler
Win7/10
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Posted 03/17/2017 10:21 PM   
[quote="Metaloholic"] just buy superflower 1600W have not regred bying full blast over the top psu.[/quote] Haha, that's extremely overkill, and pretty expensive. I don't need 1600W. I would prefer a bit over 700W and even that is more than what my PC needs. I'm still not 100% convinced about buying all of that yet. Some things can happen: 1- I buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that surprisingly improve decently in single core core performance. I'm pissed about waiting almost 4 years for improvements and buying just before that happened. 2- I buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that unsurprisingly are the same shit as always with a new box and name. Half relieved because I ended my frustration months ago, half angry about lack of progress. 3- I don't buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that surprisingly improve decently in single core core performance. I'm happy and buy that. 4- I don't buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that unsurprisingly are the same shit as always with a new box and name. 200% mad, frustration of the year. If I have waited that long, why not wait even a bit more? Point 4 is what has been happening to me since the Skylake release (although my CPU wasn't that old back then).
Metaloholic said:
just buy superflower 1600W
have not regred bying full blast over the top psu.


Haha, that's extremely overkill, and pretty expensive. I don't need 1600W. I would prefer a bit over 700W and even that is more than what my PC needs. I'm still not 100% convinced about buying all of that yet. Some things can happen:

1- I buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that surprisingly improve decently in single core core performance. I'm pissed about waiting almost 4 years for improvements and buying just before that happened.
2- I buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that unsurprisingly are the same shit as always with a new box and name. Half relieved because I ended my frustration months ago, half angry about lack of progress.
3- I don't buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that surprisingly improve decently in single core core performance. I'm happy and buy that.
4- I don't buy. Months later Intel releases a new batch of CPUs that unsurprisingly are the same shit as always with a new box and name. 200% mad, frustration of the year. If I have waited that long, why not wait even a bit more?


Point 4 is what has been happening to me since the Skylake release (although my CPU wasn't that old back then).

CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K @ 4.9GHz
Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
RAM: GSKILL Ripjaws Z 16GB 3866MHz CL18
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080Ti Gaming X Trio
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
Speakers: Logitech Z506
Donations account: masterotakusuko@gmail.com

Posted 03/17/2017 11:24 PM   
Ive been rocking an i7 860 for 7 years Master :) Nobody waited as long as me. They launched the vaunted sandybridge a year after I got that chip.
Ive been rocking an i7 860 for 7 years Master :) Nobody waited as long as me. They launched the vaunted sandybridge a year after I got that chip.

Posted 03/17/2017 11:38 PM   
Next build will be mini-ITX after moving to μATX a long time ago. NCASE M1 should be the case I will get.
Next build will be mini-ITX after moving to μATX a long time ago. NCASE M1 should be the case I will get.

3D Vision must live! NVIDIA, don't let us down!

Posted 03/17/2017 11:54 PM   
[quote="masterotaku"]I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs): - i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch) - 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings) - Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€ - Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€ - EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand) This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations. For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision? Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.[/quote] 7700k is hard to hit 5.0 GHZ without delid if I remember talking in forums. I think atleast if you are going to stress test with AVX instructions... I was hitting 100C at 4.9 GHZ I think it was like 1.32V, Delid allows me to get 5.0 GHZ at about 75C on water. But I'm pretty sure I got a poor sample processor.
masterotaku said:I'm probably going to buy a new PC this weekend (except for the GPU, the Noctua NH-D14 and my two SSDs):

- i7 7700K: 349€ (it cost 398€ at launch)
- 16GB DDR4 3866MHz: 230€ (ouch, damn these prices. It was 180€ two months ago, compensating the CPU savings)
- Undecided about the motherboard, I have been checking some: 170-210€
- Undecided about the case, I have been checking some: 70-90€
- EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750W 80 Plus Gold Modular: 149€ (or maybe I'll get something a bit inferior from that brand)

This thing will cost a kidney and only to get just a 25% more single threaded performance :/. Deus Ex MD (until I finish it), Zelda BOTW, RPCS3 and PCSX2 are my main motivations.

For some of you that went to 4c/4t to 4c/8t: did you gain much from hyperthreading in 3D Vision?

Also, I wonder what my temperatures will be if I use the CPU at 5GHz and don't delid it.



7700k is hard to hit 5.0 GHZ without delid if I remember talking in forums. I think atleast if you are going to stress test with AVX instructions... I was hitting 100C at 4.9 GHZ I think it was like 1.32V,

Delid allows me to get 5.0 GHZ at about 75C on water. But I'm pretty sure I got a poor sample processor.

I'm ishiki, forum screwed up my name.

9900K @5.0 GHZ, 16GBDDR4@4233MHZ, 2080 Ti

Posted 03/18/2017 08:48 AM   
Intel have said that the performance of new chips will be 5-10% - exactly that of skylake to kabylake - virtually nothing except a little higher clock. IMO, the real difference will be the socket. The current socket is long in the tooth, and it is rare for intel to keep on it. New CPUs will likely have newer chipsets and sockets so upgrading over the next few years would be more straight forward. But, saying that, even the new chipset and socket will only be relevant for a few years and it is extremely unlikely that a new CPU will give enough of a performance boost in a short term for it to be practically usable. They might come out with 6 core CPUs for high performance desktop. I have not seen any roadmaps for any high performance desktop CPUs at all to be released in the future. Even if they were, they are unlikely to be useful for 3DVision due to the CPU bug. Taking everything into account, masterotaku, option 2 seems like it will play out as the most likely, not least of which is the reason that intel have said this is what they will release.
Intel have said that the performance of new chips will be 5-10% - exactly that of skylake to kabylake - virtually nothing except a little higher clock.

IMO, the real difference will be the socket. The current socket is long in the tooth, and it is rare for intel to keep on it. New CPUs will likely have newer chipsets and sockets so upgrading over the next few years would be more straight forward.

But, saying that, even the new chipset and socket will only be relevant for a few years and it is extremely unlikely that a new CPU will give enough of a performance boost in a short term for it to be practically usable.

They might come out with 6 core CPUs for high performance desktop. I have not seen any roadmaps for any high performance desktop CPUs at all to be released in the future. Even if they were, they are unlikely to be useful for 3DVision due to the CPU bug.

Taking everything into account, masterotaku, option 2 seems like it will play out as the most likely, not least of which is the reason that intel have said this is what they will release.

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

Posted 03/18/2017 01:32 PM   
Bought. The PSU and case were on sale. I would have wanted 32GB of RAM, but I can't justify adding another 230€ to the cost yet. I'll wait until they drop in price again. [img]http://u.cubeupload.com/masterotaku/pcparts.png[/img] Considering my salary, I have spent a lot of money and it was a difficult decision. But whatever, it might have been my last chance to have a CPU compatible with Windows 7, in case I can't make the PCSX2 3D Vision trick work on Windows 10 (it will be one of the first things I'll try to solve). Also, Deus Ex MD and Dragon's Dogma will benefit from this new CPU. Edit: also, I'll need Windows 10 to continue my work on the Dead Rising fix (I have random crashes on W7 at least).
Bought. The PSU and case were on sale. I would have wanted 32GB of RAM, but I can't justify adding another 230€ to the cost yet. I'll wait until they drop in price again.

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Considering my salary, I have spent a lot of money and it was a difficult decision. But whatever, it might have been my last chance to have a CPU compatible with Windows 7, in case I can't make the PCSX2 3D Vision trick work on Windows 10 (it will be one of the first things I'll try to solve). Also, Deus Ex MD and Dragon's Dogma will benefit from this new CPU.

Edit: also, I'll need Windows 10 to continue my work on the Dead Rising fix (I have random crashes on W7 at least).

CPU: Intel Core i7 7700K @ 4.9GHz
Motherboard: Gigabyte Aorus GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
RAM: GSKILL Ripjaws Z 16GB 3866MHz CL18
GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 2080Ti Gaming X Trio
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
Speakers: Logitech Z506
Donations account: masterotakusuko@gmail.com

Posted 03/19/2017 11:02 PM   
Great! Looking forward to your reports on your experience! Good call on the 16GB RAM too imo. AFAIK, no game uses more than 16GB memory right now including OS.
Great! Looking forward to your reports on your experience!

Good call on the 16GB RAM too imo. AFAIK, no game uses more than 16GB memory right now including OS.

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

Posted 03/20/2017 10:21 AM   
Why is 7700 a better choise than 6700? Lets say i hit the cpu bottleneck and my gpu is 40% used, Is it bottom line that there is no option increasin framerate but More cpu power, adding another gpu makes no difference if Gpu usage is already low and cpu is bottlenecked ?
Why is 7700 a better choise than 6700?

Lets say i hit the cpu bottleneck and my gpu is 40% used,
Is it bottom line that there is no option increasin framerate but
More cpu power, adding another gpu makes no difference if
Gpu usage is already low and cpu is bottlenecked ?

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Posted 03/20/2017 04:20 PM   
Spot on Metaloholic. 6700 is a great CPU too, but with the 7700, you get a few extra MHz + better OC headroom, which is the difference between stuttery bad frame-time 55fps and smooth frame-time locked 60fps.
Spot on Metaloholic.

6700 is a great CPU too, but with the 7700, you get a few extra MHz + better OC headroom, which is the difference between stuttery bad frame-time 55fps and smooth frame-time locked 60fps.

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

Posted 03/20/2017 04:34 PM   
So I did some preliminary testing. Unfortuantely im actually GPU bottlenecked in witcher 3 even at 1080 p 2d with my 1070. That is crazy to think that. I'm actually able to maintain 99 % usage in games like battlefield and witcher 3 where my old CPU really struggled. In the most punishing part of novigrad I was hitting 24-32 fps in 3d. The same area i'm getting 42-50 ish. I bet I can gain some performance if I turn some settings down. If all else fails ill drop the resolution to see what my CPU is truly capable of in 3d here. I got huge gains in gta V, TF2 and CS:GO. In the benchmark of GTA V the very last scene has a car crash with explosions. It brought my old cpu to its knees where I would hit the 30's. The new CPU is at over 100 there with one minor dip to the 80's. Just a massive gain there. In tf2 on 32 man servers with explosions and hats everywhere I would hit the 40's in 2 fort (particular map) with the new chip im hitting over 100 there with mostly locked 142 fps. Cs:GO doesn't budge ever from 142 fps 7.0 MS frametime. I would see dips to low 100's on my old chip along with some frametime spikes as high as 35 MS. Again, huge gain there as my graphic card is only pegged at like 30 % usage at most. Right now I only have it set to enhanced turbo mode. Which is 4.5 ghz on all cores. The max temp i've seen is 65, but I monitor the temps in game and it's mostly at mid 40's to 50's without my fan cranking up. I should be able to hit 4.8 easily. 5 ghz could be tricky, but i'll mess with that later. I really wanted to get some game tests in first. [img]https://s9.postimg.org/bs3fs7lj3/green.jpg[/img] [img]https://s9.postimg.org/77h9da1tr/red.jpg[/img]
So I did some preliminary testing. Unfortuantely im actually GPU bottlenecked in witcher 3 even at 1080 p 2d with my 1070. That is crazy to think that. I'm actually able to maintain 99 % usage in games like battlefield and witcher 3 where my old CPU really struggled.

In the most punishing part of novigrad I was hitting 24-32 fps in 3d. The same area i'm getting 42-50 ish. I bet I can gain some performance if I turn some settings down. If all else fails ill drop the resolution to see what my CPU is truly capable of in 3d here.

I got huge gains in gta V, TF2 and CS:GO. In the benchmark of GTA V the very last scene has a car crash with explosions. It brought my old cpu to its knees where I would hit the 30's. The new CPU is at over 100 there with one minor dip to the 80's. Just a massive gain there.

In tf2 on 32 man servers with explosions and hats everywhere I would hit the 40's in 2 fort (particular map) with the new chip im hitting over 100 there with mostly locked 142 fps.

Cs:GO doesn't budge ever from 142 fps 7.0 MS frametime. I would see dips to low 100's on my old chip along with some frametime spikes as high as 35 MS. Again, huge gain there as my graphic card is only pegged at like 30 % usage at most.

Right now I only have it set to enhanced turbo mode. Which is 4.5 ghz on all cores. The max temp i've seen is 65, but I monitor the temps in game and it's mostly at mid 40's to 50's without my fan cranking up.

I should be able to hit 4.8 easily. 5 ghz could be tricky, but i'll mess with that later. I really wanted to get some game tests in first.

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Posted 03/20/2017 05:16 PM   
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