I notice I'm restricted to watch 3d 1080p at 24hz. I do all my 3d viewing on my HTPC and have never been restricted to 24hz before with movies, games or anything. I got a LG65LW6500 connected to a Geforce 560. The Geforce 560 and 3dplay is new for me. Can I change this to my usual 60hz? Why the restriction?
I notice I'm restricted to watch 3d 1080p at 24hz. I do all my 3d viewing on my HTPC and have never been restricted to 24hz before with movies, games or anything. I got a LG65LW6500 connected to a Geforce 560. The Geforce 560 and 3dplay is new for me. Can I change this to my usual 60hz? Why the restriction?
1080p @ 24hz 3d is limitation of hdmi cable data transfer.. so right now, only way to get 1080p@60hz 3d is using dualband dvi cable but unfortunately, I don't think any tv has dvi output these days. :(
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
1080p @ 24hz 3d is limitation of hdmi cable data transfer.. so right now, only way to get 1080p@60hz 3d is using dualband dvi cable but unfortunately, I don't think any tv has dvi output these days. :(
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
[quote name='Shinobier' date='04 December 2011 - 08:09 AM' timestamp='1323014982' post='1337442']
1080p @ 24hz 3d is limitation of hdmi cable data transfer.. so right now, only way to get 1080p@60hz 3d is using dualband dvi cable but unfortunately, I don't think any tv has dvi output these days. :(
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
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Something I must not be understanding? I can watch a side by side movie on my HTPC and when I look at the hertz the TV is running at, it says 60 hz while in 3d. When I've used Tridef and iz3d I never had to adjust the hertz. All this was going through a hdmi cable. The only 3d I ever have watched on my system has been through my HTPC and always running at 60hz. I have only ran into this limitation with 3dplay. Could the hertz be changed without me knowing about it with all the other setups? Would the TV possibly list it as 60hz when it was really running at 24?
[quote name='Shinobier' date='04 December 2011 - 08:09 AM' timestamp='1323014982' post='1337442']
1080p @ 24hz 3d is limitation of hdmi cable data transfer.. so right now, only way to get 1080p@60hz 3d is using dualband dvi cable but unfortunately, I don't think any tv has dvi output these days. :(
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
Something I must not be understanding? I can watch a side by side movie on my HTPC and when I look at the hertz the TV is running at, it says 60 hz while in 3d. When I've used Tridef and iz3d I never had to adjust the hertz. All this was going through a hdmi cable. The only 3d I ever have watched on my system has been through my HTPC and always running at 60hz. I have only ran into this limitation with 3dplay. Could the hertz be changed without me knowing about it with all the other setups? Would the TV possibly list it as 60hz when it was really running at 24?
it doesn't matter what tv or what programs says.. current hdmi 1.4 cable just can't do 1080p@60hz 3d. so till the next version of 3dtv that supports soon to be out hdmi 1.5 cable, we won't get 1080p@60hz 3d no matter what. That is data transfer limits of cable. this isn't something you can fix with adjusting setting. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
it doesn't matter what tv or what programs says.. current hdmi 1.4 cable just can't do 1080p@60hz 3d. so till the next version of 3dtv that supports soon to be out hdmi 1.5 cable, we won't get 1080p@60hz 3d no matter what. That is data transfer limits of cable. this isn't something you can fix with adjusting setting. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
[quote name='Shinobier' date='04 December 2011 - 11:53 AM' timestamp='1323017581' post='1337461']
it doesn't matter what tv or what programs says.. current hdmi 1.4 cable just can't do 1080p@60hz 3d. so till the next version of 3dtv that supports soon to be out hdmi 1.5 cable, we won't get 1080p@60hz 3d no matter what. That is data transfer limits of cable. this isn't something you can fix with adjusting setting. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
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This is not the case. With the proper EDID override you can send 1080p@60hz in 3d over HDMI. I am doing it right now.
The issue is that, 1080p@60hz, is not an official HDMI 1.4 3D signal spec. If the computer detects the display as an HDMI 1.4 device then it will only send 1080p@24hz and 720p@60hz, for compatibility with the specification.
[quote name='Shinobier' date='04 December 2011 - 11:53 AM' timestamp='1323017581' post='1337461']
it doesn't matter what tv or what programs says.. current hdmi 1.4 cable just can't do 1080p@60hz 3d. so till the next version of 3dtv that supports soon to be out hdmi 1.5 cable, we won't get 1080p@60hz 3d no matter what. That is data transfer limits of cable. this isn't something you can fix with adjusting setting. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
This is not the case. With the proper EDID override you can send 1080p@60hz in 3d over HDMI. I am doing it right now.
The issue is that, 1080p@60hz, is not an official HDMI 1.4 3D signal spec. If the computer detects the display as an HDMI 1.4 device then it will only send 1080p@24hz and 720p@60hz, for compatibility with the specification.
[quote name='Libertine' date='04 December 2011 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1323019492' post='1337475']
Can you give some details about what your doing Brodobagins?
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Using the Zalman passive EDID override ZM-M240W. 3DVision then detects the display as a 3DVision display. Games then detect the 3DVision properly and I can set the resolution to 1080p@60hz. This is all over the HDMI port on my 470GTX to my LG D2342 passive 3D display.
You can also use the TriDef software built for LG. Once it detects the display it sends 1080p@60hz 3D over HDMI.
I should add obviously the LG D2342 supports 3d at 1080p@60hz. Your display would have to support this as well for this to work. My 52" tv does not support 3D 1080p@60hz so this does not work.
[quote name='Libertine' date='04 December 2011 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1323019492' post='1337475']
Can you give some details about what your doing Brodobagins?
Using the Zalman passive EDID override ZM-M240W. 3DVision then detects the display as a 3DVision display. Games then detect the 3DVision properly and I can set the resolution to 1080p@60hz. This is all over the HDMI port on my 470GTX to my LG D2342 passive 3D display.
You can also use the TriDef software built for LG. Once it detects the display it sends 1080p@60hz 3D over HDMI.
I should add obviously the LG D2342 supports 3d at 1080p@60hz. Your display would have to support this as well for this to work. My 52" tv does not support 3D 1080p@60hz so this does not work.
you can do this with SideBySide, Checkerboard or Interleaved, because then the 2 3D images are actually combined into one frame. However, the end result in 3D will always be half of the original resolution.
It's just technically impossible to transfer two images in frame packaging in full 1080p with more than 24 Hz when using HDMI (actually 30 Hz, but that's not specified for whatever reason).
you can do this with SideBySide, Checkerboard or Interleaved, because then the 2 3D images are actually combined into one frame. However, the end result in 3D will always be half of the original resolution.
It's just technically impossible to transfer two images in frame packaging in full 1080p with more than 24 Hz when using HDMI (actually 30 Hz, but that's not specified for whatever reason).
Its checkerboard at 1080p. 720P at 60hz is a certain amount of pixels like 10 mill. 1080p at 24hz is around same 10 mill. HDMI 1.4 is capped at this value of like 10 mill.(not sure of actual value)
YOUR ONLY OPTIONS ARE
1080P at 24HZ
1080 checkerboard at 60 HZ (on certain tvs)
720P at 60.
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
@grestorn
My guess is cause of the movie industry and their fasination with 24fps.
Its checkerboard at 1080p. 720P at 60hz is a certain amount of pixels like 10 mill. 1080p at 24hz is around same 10 mill. HDMI 1.4 is capped at this value of like 10 mill.(not sure of actual value)
YOUR ONLY OPTIONS ARE
1080P at 24HZ
1080 checkerboard at 60 HZ (on certain tvs)
720P at 60.
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
@grestorn
My guess is cause of the movie industry and their fasination with 24fps.
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[quote name='eqzitara' date='04 December 2011 - 01:42 PM' timestamp='1323024140' post='1337498']
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
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That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
[quote name='eqzitara' date='04 December 2011 - 01:42 PM' timestamp='1323024140' post='1337498']
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
Just for clarification, HDMI1.4 has sufficient raw bandwidth for 1920x1080 /120 Hz. The reason we can't get framepacking or frame sequential at 2X 1920x1080 @ 60 frame per second is because the VESA commitee doesn't spec it.
End result is that until that happens, native resolution SBS,CB, interleaved is the best we can do. We all want frame sequential (not Framepacking) at 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps, but meanwhile there is very little image degradation when going from FS to CB. My subjective opinion is maybe 1-2% degradation, not the 50% degradation some people suggest (i.e. people who have never seen CB).
Just for clarification, HDMI1.4 has sufficient raw bandwidth for 1920x1080 /120 Hz. The reason we can't get framepacking or frame sequential at 2X 1920x1080 @ 60 frame per second is because the VESA commitee doesn't spec it.
End result is that until that happens, native resolution SBS,CB, interleaved is the best we can do. We all want frame sequential (not Framepacking) at 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps, but meanwhile there is very little image degradation when going from FS to CB. My subjective opinion is maybe 1-2% degradation, not the 50% degradation some people suggest (i.e. people who have never seen CB).
[quote name='boke' date='04 December 2011 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1323026678' post='1337522']
That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
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Was referring to the pixels per sec cap...... Not your eyes....
Responding to person who opened thread wants 1080p at 60hz. No idea what you thought I was responding to.
@roller11
I understand you are a big supporter of 1080 checkerboard 3d.(roller mod /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' /> )I was under impression as well that their was 50% degradation. Isnt it essentially 1080i in 3d format? I am not asking to "bust your chops", I am just curious. I dont see any improvement from 1080i and 720p though I can between 1080p and 720p. If their is I may consider looking into getting a projector that can use 1080 checkerboard 3d.(Not sure if their is one.)
[quote name='boke' date='04 December 2011 - 07:24 PM' timestamp='1323026678' post='1337522']
That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
Was referring to the pixels per sec cap...... Not your eyes....
Responding to person who opened thread wants 1080p at 60hz. No idea what you thought I was responding to.
@roller11
I understand you are a big supporter of 1080 checkerboard 3d.(roller mod /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' /> )I was under impression as well that their was 50% degradation. Isnt it essentially 1080i in 3d format? I am not asking to "bust your chops", I am just curious. I dont see any improvement from 1080i and 720p though I can between 1080p and 720p. If their is I may consider looking into getting a projector that can use 1080 checkerboard 3d.(Not sure if their is one.)
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First off, when people refer 1080P60 in 3D, it means 2 full resolution 1080P images (one left, one right) formatted in HDMI 1.4a frame-packing (which is similar to over/under with some blank space in between). This does not refer to "legacy" formats like interlaced, checkerboard, side-by-side, etc. These are generally called "frame-compatible" formats, and result in a reduction of resolution. I know a lot of people here seem to think these are full-resolution, but they are not. For example, using interlaced 1080P will result in an actual resolution of 1920x540 per eye, clearly not full HD. The only way to get full resolution 1080P is either with Nvidia's proprietary format over Dual-Link DVI, or using the HDMI 1.4a standard, however limited to 24Hz.
In addition, it is not the HDMI cable that limits this. The actual limitation is with the HDMI chipsets that process the signal. The current ones do not provide enough bandwidth for the full resolution 1080P60 signal. There are new versions of these chips that will support 1080P60, but they are not used in any HDTVs yet (maybe next year, I don't know). However the HDMI 1.4a spec already allows for this, although it is an optional format. So this will be supported at some point, just not today.
Also, this question is asked every single day. Please take a second to read the forum, or search for 2 seconds and the answers will be revealed.
First off, when people refer 1080P60 in 3D, it means 2 full resolution 1080P images (one left, one right) formatted in HDMI 1.4a frame-packing (which is similar to over/under with some blank space in between). This does not refer to "legacy" formats like interlaced, checkerboard, side-by-side, etc. These are generally called "frame-compatible" formats, and result in a reduction of resolution. I know a lot of people here seem to think these are full-resolution, but they are not. For example, using interlaced 1080P will result in an actual resolution of 1920x540 per eye, clearly not full HD. The only way to get full resolution 1080P is either with Nvidia's proprietary format over Dual-Link DVI, or using the HDMI 1.4a standard, however limited to 24Hz.
In addition, it is not the HDMI cable that limits this. The actual limitation is with the HDMI chipsets that process the signal. The current ones do not provide enough bandwidth for the full resolution 1080P60 signal. There are new versions of these chips that will support 1080P60, but they are not used in any HDTVs yet (maybe next year, I don't know). However the HDMI 1.4a spec already allows for this, although it is an optional format. So this will be supported at some point, just not today.
Also, this question is asked every single day. Please take a second to read the forum, or search for 2 seconds and the answers will be revealed.
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
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1080p @ 24hz 3d is limitation of hdmi cable data transfer.. so right now, only way to get 1080p@60hz 3d is using dualband dvi cable but unfortunately, I don't think any tv has dvi output these days. :(
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
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Something I must not be understanding? I can watch a side by side movie on my HTPC and when I look at the hertz the TV is running at, it says 60 hz while in 3d. When I've used Tridef and iz3d I never had to adjust the hertz. All this was going through a hdmi cable. The only 3d I ever have watched on my system has been through my HTPC and always running at 60hz. I have only ran into this limitation with 3dplay. Could the hertz be changed without me knowing about it with all the other setups? Would the TV possibly list it as 60hz when it was really running at 24?
1080p @ 24hz 3d is limitation of hdmi cable data transfer.. so right now, only way to get 1080p@60hz 3d is using dualband dvi cable but unfortunately, I don't think any tv has dvi output these days. :(
you have to make decision.. you have to choose between 1080p@24hz 3d or 720p@60hz 3d if you are using 3dtv. I personally recommend you to choose 720p@60hz over 1080p@24hz coz 60hz gives you much smoother gameplay and with anti-alaising on, it will still look pretty good on tv even though it's only 720p. single gtx 560 isn't powerfual enough to handle 1080p@60hz 3d anyway. considering all console games like ps3, xbox 360 are running 720p, gtx 560 + 3dtv play 720p 3d will still look superior to that of gaming console.
Something I must not be understanding? I can watch a side by side movie on my HTPC and when I look at the hertz the TV is running at, it says 60 hz while in 3d. When I've used Tridef and iz3d I never had to adjust the hertz. All this was going through a hdmi cable. The only 3d I ever have watched on my system has been through my HTPC and always running at 60hz. I have only ran into this limitation with 3dplay. Could the hertz be changed without me knowing about it with all the other setups? Would the TV possibly list it as 60hz when it was really running at 24?
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
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it doesn't matter what tv or what programs says.. current hdmi 1.4 cable just can't do 1080p@60hz 3d. so till the next version of 3dtv that supports soon to be out hdmi 1.5 cable, we won't get 1080p@60hz 3d no matter what. That is data transfer limits of cable. this isn't something you can fix with adjusting setting. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
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This is not the case. With the proper EDID override you can send 1080p@60hz in 3d over HDMI. I am doing it right now.
The issue is that, 1080p@60hz, is not an official HDMI 1.4 3D signal spec. If the computer detects the display as an HDMI 1.4 device then it will only send 1080p@24hz and 720p@60hz, for compatibility with the specification.
it doesn't matter what tv or what programs says.. current hdmi 1.4 cable just can't do 1080p@60hz 3d. so till the next version of 3dtv that supports soon to be out hdmi 1.5 cable, we won't get 1080p@60hz 3d no matter what. That is data transfer limits of cable. this isn't something you can fix with adjusting setting. :(
3d bluray movies are fine since they are 24 fps anyway so hdmi cable can handle 1080p 3d movies no problem. It's just pc games that are having problem coz high spec pc can run most games at 1080p 60fps no problem. I too was actually waiting till they release 3dtv that is capable of running 1080p@60hz but well.. it's not out yet. My patient ran out and I just bought new vizio set. It's awsome for movies but it can't match to 120hz monitor gaming wise coz 3d monitors have dualband dvi(meaning they can do 1080p@60hz) and 3dtv can't coz they only have hdmi. :(
This is not the case. With the proper EDID override you can send 1080p@60hz in 3d over HDMI. I am doing it right now.
The issue is that, 1080p@60hz, is not an official HDMI 1.4 3D signal spec. If the computer detects the display as an HDMI 1.4 device then it will only send 1080p@24hz and 720p@60hz, for compatibility with the specification.
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Can you give some details about what your doing Brodobagins?
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Using the Zalman passive EDID override ZM-M240W. 3DVision then detects the display as a 3DVision display. Games then detect the 3DVision properly and I can set the resolution to 1080p@60hz. This is all over the HDMI port on my 470GTX to my LG D2342 passive 3D display.
You can also use the TriDef software built for LG. Once it detects the display it sends 1080p@60hz 3D over HDMI.
I should add obviously the LG D2342 supports 3d at 1080p@60hz. Your display would have to support this as well for this to work. My 52" tv does not support 3D 1080p@60hz so this does not work.
Can you give some details about what your doing Brodobagins?
Using the Zalman passive EDID override ZM-M240W. 3DVision then detects the display as a 3DVision display. Games then detect the 3DVision properly and I can set the resolution to 1080p@60hz. This is all over the HDMI port on my 470GTX to my LG D2342 passive 3D display.
You can also use the TriDef software built for LG. Once it detects the display it sends 1080p@60hz 3D over HDMI.
I should add obviously the LG D2342 supports 3d at 1080p@60hz. Your display would have to support this as well for this to work. My 52" tv does not support 3D 1080p@60hz so this does not work.
you can do this with SideBySide, Checkerboard or Interleaved, because then the 2 3D images are actually combined into one frame. However, the end result in 3D will always be half of the original resolution.
It's just technically impossible to transfer two images in frame packaging in full 1080p with more than 24 Hz when using HDMI (actually 30 Hz, but that's not specified for whatever reason).
you can do this with SideBySide, Checkerboard or Interleaved, because then the 2 3D images are actually combined into one frame. However, the end result in 3D will always be half of the original resolution.
It's just technically impossible to transfer two images in frame packaging in full 1080p with more than 24 Hz when using HDMI (actually 30 Hz, but that's not specified for whatever reason).
YOUR ONLY OPTIONS ARE
1080P at 24HZ
1080 checkerboard at 60 HZ (on certain tvs)
720P at 60.
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
@grestorn
My guess is cause of the movie industry and their fasination with 24fps.
YOUR ONLY OPTIONS ARE
1080P at 24HZ
1080 checkerboard at 60 HZ (on certain tvs)
720P at 60.
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
@grestorn
My guess is cause of the movie industry and their fasination with 24fps.
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1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
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That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
1080 interlaced is most of the the time not worth it.
You cant get two glasses of water in a one glass cup.
That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
End result is that until that happens, native resolution SBS,CB, interleaved is the best we can do. We all want frame sequential (not Framepacking) at 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps, but meanwhile there is very little image degradation when going from FS to CB. My subjective opinion is maybe 1-2% degradation, not the 50% degradation some people suggest (i.e. people who have never seen CB).
End result is that until that happens, native resolution SBS,CB, interleaved is the best we can do. We all want frame sequential (not Framepacking) at 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps, but meanwhile there is very little image degradation when going from FS to CB. My subjective opinion is maybe 1-2% degradation, not the 50% degradation some people suggest (i.e. people who have never seen CB).
That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
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Was referring to the pixels per sec cap...... Not your eyes....
Responding to person who opened thread wants 1080p at 60hz. No idea what you thought I was responding to.
@roller11
I understand you are a big supporter of 1080 checkerboard 3d.(roller mod
That is not true at all. If you have a passive 3d display, Interlaced output at the TV's native resolution is the best option (NVidia does not do soft interlacing though, you will need another driver for that). A slightly better option (again not supported by nvidia) is top/bottom mode because the TV does a better job of interlacing than the driver does.
The two glasses one cup analogy does not work. Your eyes (if you have two) combine two images together to create a higher definition one, every day, all day.
Was referring to the pixels per sec cap...... Not your eyes....
Responding to person who opened thread wants 1080p at 60hz. No idea what you thought I was responding to.
@roller11
I understand you are a big supporter of 1080 checkerboard 3d.(roller mod
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After 500 hours of 3D gaming and messing around, according to Steam, i don't think so.
I do think there is some averaging going to since a tiny bit of aliasing seems to clear up in 3D, but that could be from other things too.
After 500 hours of 3D gaming and messing around, according to Steam, i don't think so.
I do think there is some averaging going to since a tiny bit of aliasing seems to clear up in 3D, but that could be from other things too.
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First off, when people refer 1080P60 in 3D, it means 2 full resolution 1080P images (one left, one right) formatted in HDMI 1.4a frame-packing (which is similar to over/under with some blank space in between). This does not refer to "legacy" formats like interlaced, checkerboard, side-by-side, etc. These are generally called "frame-compatible" formats, and result in a reduction of resolution. I know a lot of people here seem to think these are full-resolution, but they are not. For example, using interlaced 1080P will result in an actual resolution of 1920x540 per eye, clearly not full HD. The only way to get full resolution 1080P is either with Nvidia's proprietary format over Dual-Link DVI, or using the HDMI 1.4a standard, however limited to 24Hz.
In addition, it is not the HDMI cable that limits this. The actual limitation is with the HDMI chipsets that process the signal. The current ones do not provide enough bandwidth for the full resolution 1080P60 signal. There are new versions of these chips that will support 1080P60, but they are not used in any HDTVs yet (maybe next year, I don't know). However the HDMI 1.4a spec already allows for this, although it is an optional format. So this will be supported at some point, just not today.
Also, this question is asked every single day. Please take a second to read the forum, or search for 2 seconds and the answers will be revealed.
First off, when people refer 1080P60 in 3D, it means 2 full resolution 1080P images (one left, one right) formatted in HDMI 1.4a frame-packing (which is similar to over/under with some blank space in between). This does not refer to "legacy" formats like interlaced, checkerboard, side-by-side, etc. These are generally called "frame-compatible" formats, and result in a reduction of resolution. I know a lot of people here seem to think these are full-resolution, but they are not. For example, using interlaced 1080P will result in an actual resolution of 1920x540 per eye, clearly not full HD. The only way to get full resolution 1080P is either with Nvidia's proprietary format over Dual-Link DVI, or using the HDMI 1.4a standard, however limited to 24Hz.
In addition, it is not the HDMI cable that limits this. The actual limitation is with the HDMI chipsets that process the signal. The current ones do not provide enough bandwidth for the full resolution 1080P60 signal. There are new versions of these chips that will support 1080P60, but they are not used in any HDTVs yet (maybe next year, I don't know). However the HDMI 1.4a spec already allows for this, although it is an optional format. So this will be supported at some point, just not today.
Also, this question is asked every single day. Please take a second to read the forum, or search for 2 seconds and the answers will be revealed.
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