3DTV Play in Side by Side mode Will Nvidia considering adding SbS?
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[quote name='Libertine' date='22 June 2011 - 08:16 PM' timestamp='1308795362' post='1255445']
Does side-by-side work like framepacking, ie, are both images sent at the same time, etc?

Doesn't seem like it would be hard to program at all considering what your asking the pixel information to do.
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No, it works like frame sequential. the left eye even columns are sent in one field, the right eye odd columns are sent in the next. Together they compose a 1 to 1 1920x1080 frame.

Obviously, Nvidia would never put SBS in 3D Vision because 3DV already has 2x 1920x1080 per frame for computer monitors, Front projectors are Framepacking 1280x720P native resolution, and DLPs have CB support. It would make sense to put SBS in 3DTV Play, but that would violate nvidia's policy of "no user intervention", the corner stone of both 3DV and 3DTV Play. 3D Vision was designed to be 'hands off', you launch the game and the TV automatically goes into the proper 3D mode. You don't need to pick up the remote and work the TVs menu to get the proper mode. SBS is inherently a HDTV mode so if it were ever done, it would go into 3DTV Play, but that would require user to manually set the mode everytime.
CB is trivial, it's just a change to the set up wizard. So if Nvidia has rejected CB in 3DTV Play, I don't think they will go for SBS.
[quote name='Libertine' date='22 June 2011 - 08:16 PM' timestamp='1308795362' post='1255445']

Does side-by-side work like framepacking, ie, are both images sent at the same time, etc?



Doesn't seem like it would be hard to program at all considering what your asking the pixel information to do.



No, it works like frame sequential. the left eye even columns are sent in one field, the right eye odd columns are sent in the next. Together they compose a 1 to 1 1920x1080 frame.



Obviously, Nvidia would never put SBS in 3D Vision because 3DV already has 2x 1920x1080 per frame for computer monitors, Front projectors are Framepacking 1280x720P native resolution, and DLPs have CB support. It would make sense to put SBS in 3DTV Play, but that would violate nvidia's policy of "no user intervention", the corner stone of both 3DV and 3DTV Play. 3D Vision was designed to be 'hands off', you launch the game and the TV automatically goes into the proper 3D mode. You don't need to pick up the remote and work the TVs menu to get the proper mode. SBS is inherently a HDTV mode so if it were ever done, it would go into 3DTV Play, but that would require user to manually set the mode everytime.

CB is trivial, it's just a change to the set up wizard. So if Nvidia has rejected CB in 3DTV Play, I don't think they will go for SBS.

#31
Posted 06/23/2011 02:52 AM   
[quote name='roller11' date='22 June 2011 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1308797533' post='1255455']
...but that would violate nvidia's policy of "no user intervention"....
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Intresting, I didn't inform Nivdia of [size="4"][b]MY POLICY[/b][/size] of "[b]no substandard gaming[/b]"!

You know, they should really do SBS though, SBS takes care of everyone. Bam, done, until the 300mhz chips arrive. But (yes i use "but" at the start of a sentence, im not following a system that thinks its a good idea to put "k" in "knife" among a myriad of other non-sense). Nvidia doesn't state clearly that 1080p is not a viable option in their advertising, i never saw it. I learned it after i spent a load of money on a TV, money i made with hard work, not bullcrap paperwork or programming, real, old fashioned, life shortening work. I hoisted this TV up on my desk after painstakingly assembling it while balancing the motherf'er, just getting it out of the package was a total pain since i didn't want to cut the box. I won't even get an "oops" out of Nvidia, because they do it on purpose... They purposely mislead you by not mentioning it. They quite literally are tying to take money out of your wallet, (just as if they were grabbing it out of your wallet with their own hands, it is no different), and putting that money in their own pockets without giving you what you initially expected. Almost as if they pick-pocketed you. If you were leading someone over a wooden bridge and one of the planks was near breaking, wouldn't you say something about it, or just let them step on it? They don't even offer 1080p30 frame sequential, which frangcom claims is a sweetspot.

My Adam Carolla-like rant:
Hey Nvidia, you know what else doesn't allow user intervention? Every annoying piece of software you've ever used that you wished had an option to change something. People who think having less "[b]optional[/b] side-options" is the way to go are limited thinkers, plain and simple. They're not limited to that state, but thats where they choose to operate at. Don't have much experience with annoying software Nvidia employee readers? How about gaming, much experience there? Maybe? No? Then how about you get your sorry asses out of this industry and into one that suites you better and that you F up less. Then, you can go home in your nice, safe car, talk to your interior painter about the faux painting technique to use on the accent wall, and get some proper sleep at night knowing your not F'ing crap up for people who are living very, very short lives on this planet... THEN, we gamers, who like wandering wastelands with our trusty assault rifles or exploring planets or whatever can do so, in an average way...an average iz3d and Tridef mathematically provide, and someone else can come in and build-in that "ultimate, high-definition, 3D entertainment experience" in your place.

This sounds a bit over-the-top to me, but then i think of the fact you don't put in a disclaimer about the 720p limitation and i think about all i will lose in shipping costs should i re-sell the Tv, the hassle, the research...and it starts to feel about right...

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[quote name='roller11' date='22 June 2011 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1308797533' post='1255455']

...but that would violate nvidia's policy of "no user intervention"....





Intresting, I didn't inform Nivdia of MY POLICY of "no substandard gaming"!



You know, they should really do SBS though, SBS takes care of everyone. Bam, done, until the 300mhz chips arrive. But (yes i use "but" at the start of a sentence, im not following a system that thinks its a good idea to put "k" in "knife" among a myriad of other non-sense). Nvidia doesn't state clearly that 1080p is not a viable option in their advertising, i never saw it. I learned it after i spent a load of money on a TV, money i made with hard work, not bullcrap paperwork or programming, real, old fashioned, life shortening work. I hoisted this TV up on my desk after painstakingly assembling it while balancing the motherf'er, just getting it out of the package was a total pain since i didn't want to cut the box. I won't even get an "oops" out of Nvidia, because they do it on purpose... They purposely mislead you by not mentioning it. They quite literally are tying to take money out of your wallet, (just as if they were grabbing it out of your wallet with their own hands, it is no different), and putting that money in their own pockets without giving you what you initially expected. Almost as if they pick-pocketed you. If you were leading someone over a wooden bridge and one of the planks was near breaking, wouldn't you say something about it, or just let them step on it? They don't even offer 1080p30 frame sequential, which frangcom claims is a sweetspot.



My Adam Carolla-like rant:

Hey Nvidia, you know what else doesn't allow user intervention? Every annoying piece of software you've ever used that you wished had an option to change something. People who think having less "optional side-options" is the way to go are limited thinkers, plain and simple. They're not limited to that state, but thats where they choose to operate at. Don't have much experience with annoying software Nvidia employee readers? How about gaming, much experience there? Maybe? No? Then how about you get your sorry asses out of this industry and into one that suites you better and that you F up less. Then, you can go home in your nice, safe car, talk to your interior painter about the faux painting technique to use on the accent wall, and get some proper sleep at night knowing your not F'ing crap up for people who are living very, very short lives on this planet... THEN, we gamers, who like wandering wastelands with our trusty assault rifles or exploring planets or whatever can do so, in an average way...an average iz3d and Tridef mathematically provide, and someone else can come in and build-in that "ultimate, high-definition, 3D entertainment experience" in your place.



This sounds a bit over-the-top to me, but then i think of the fact you don't put in a disclaimer about the 720p limitation and i think about all i will lose in shipping costs should i re-sell the Tv, the hassle, the research...and it starts to feel about right...



Who's Adam Carolla?:

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#32
Posted 06/23/2011 04:48 AM   
I was so wrong to criticize Francomg when he posted that Nvidia should put SBS mode in 3DTV Play instead of CB. That was in March when many folks naively believed that Nvidia would add CB to 3DTV Play. Now I don't care about CB in 3DTV Play, anyone can have CB by going to 3D Vision. But starting in 2012, there will be no way to get native resolution 3D gaming using Nvidia software on a new HDTV (plasma or LED) because Nvidia will not support SBS, and the TV makers will support only SBS. At that point, the choice is:
A. Buy a two year old Samsung TV if you can find one, or
B. Don't use Nvidia 3D gaming software

I've used both TriDef and iZ3D extensively and 3D Vision is consistantly better. In 50% of the games I've tried, TriDef is as good as, but not better than, 3DV (Medal of Honor for example). In the other 50%, TriDef has errors that don't exist in 3DV (e.g. Bioshock). iZ3D is a distant third.

The truth is, Nvidia doesn't take 3D gaming seriously, not like both iZ3D and TriDef do. Proof of this statement is look at all the trouble these alternatives go to to insure high quality native resolution for all brands of HDTVs. Nvidia is designed for the "casual" gamer, someone who demands convenience, not quality.
We all know this is true for 3DTV Play, but it's just as true for 3D Vision. 3DV was designed from the ground up as "no user intervention". We're just lucky that at the time 3DV was designed, CB was the "no user intervention" mode.
I was so wrong to criticize Francomg when he posted that Nvidia should put SBS mode in 3DTV Play instead of CB. That was in March when many folks naively believed that Nvidia would add CB to 3DTV Play. Now I don't care about CB in 3DTV Play, anyone can have CB by going to 3D Vision. But starting in 2012, there will be no way to get native resolution 3D gaming using Nvidia software on a new HDTV (plasma or LED) because Nvidia will not support SBS, and the TV makers will support only SBS. At that point, the choice is:

A. Buy a two year old Samsung TV if you can find one, or

B. Don't use Nvidia 3D gaming software



I've used both TriDef and iZ3D extensively and 3D Vision is consistantly better. In 50% of the games I've tried, TriDef is as good as, but not better than, 3DV (Medal of Honor for example). In the other 50%, TriDef has errors that don't exist in 3DV (e.g. Bioshock). iZ3D is a distant third.



The truth is, Nvidia doesn't take 3D gaming seriously, not like both iZ3D and TriDef do. Proof of this statement is look at all the trouble these alternatives go to to insure high quality native resolution for all brands of HDTVs. Nvidia is designed for the "casual" gamer, someone who demands convenience, not quality.

We all know this is true for 3DTV Play, but it's just as true for 3D Vision. 3DV was designed from the ground up as "no user intervention". We're just lucky that at the time 3DV was designed, CB was the "no user intervention" mode.

#33
Posted 06/23/2011 04:08 PM   
Truly, If you want to game with the best 3D quality available today, get a 3DVision kit and a 120hz LCD display, than you can game at 1920x1080p120hz full resolution and 60fps per eye.... I'm glad I have my LCD 120hz display despite having inferior picture quality compared to my Samsung C8000 3D ready TV, but for gaming it is still the best choice.

I'm happy that my TV also offers CB and FS, so I can use rollermod with it and having a red message suppressor HW is all I need for 3D gaming at a higher standard compared to lame 3DTV Play solution. I don't care how much those new Samsung 3D Ready TV's have evolved, if they don't support CB and FS anymore, than they're not suitable for PC gaming, only console gaming. Unless the new HDMI 1.5 TVs that support 1080p60hz 3D are released, we're stuck with this reality concerning 3DTVs and PC gaming.

I wound't trade my 2010 Plasma for a new Samsung 2011 model if they don't support FS and CB anymore no matter how better the picture quality has enhanced on the newer 2011 models, and I'm sure it's not that big difference, cause I've seen a D8000 2011 model and coudn't tell a big difference. I liked the bluetooth glasses adoption though, much better than IR technology cause it prevents flickering and lost of sync.
Truly, If you want to game with the best 3D quality available today, get a 3DVision kit and a 120hz LCD display, than you can game at 1920x1080p120hz full resolution and 60fps per eye.... I'm glad I have my LCD 120hz display despite having inferior picture quality compared to my Samsung C8000 3D ready TV, but for gaming it is still the best choice.



I'm happy that my TV also offers CB and FS, so I can use rollermod with it and having a red message suppressor HW is all I need for 3D gaming at a higher standard compared to lame 3DTV Play solution. I don't care how much those new Samsung 3D Ready TV's have evolved, if they don't support CB and FS anymore, than they're not suitable for PC gaming, only console gaming. Unless the new HDMI 1.5 TVs that support 1080p60hz 3D are released, we're stuck with this reality concerning 3DTVs and PC gaming.



I wound't trade my 2010 Plasma for a new Samsung 2011 model if they don't support FS and CB anymore no matter how better the picture quality has enhanced on the newer 2011 models, and I'm sure it's not that big difference, cause I've seen a D8000 2011 model and coudn't tell a big difference. I liked the bluetooth glasses adoption though, much better than IR technology cause it prevents flickering and lost of sync.

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#34
Posted 06/24/2011 04:05 PM   
This is not a technical issue. The programming involved in making a side-by-side output is trivial. It could maybe take a few hours for a talented programmer.
This is not a technical issue. The programming involved in making a side-by-side output is trivial. It could maybe take a few hours for a talented programmer.
#35
Posted 06/24/2011 11:50 PM   
[quote name='cybereality' date='24 June 2011 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1308959453' post='1256233']
This is not a technical issue. The programming involved in making a side-by-side output is trivial. It could maybe take a few hours for a talented programmer.
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For real. What the hell happened to Jenson? He needs to get his priorities in line and quit his day job so he can go work for nVidia. Then we might have at least a little hope... /unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
[quote name='cybereality' date='24 June 2011 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1308959453' post='1256233']

This is not a technical issue. The programming involved in making a side-by-side output is trivial. It could maybe take a few hours for a talented programmer.



For real. What the hell happened to Jenson? He needs to get his priorities in line and quit his day job so he can go work for nVidia. Then we might have at least a little hope... /unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />

#36
Posted 06/27/2011 01:39 AM   
Will no moderator or staff comment on this topic?
Will no moderator or staff comment on this topic?

#37
Posted 07/06/2011 03:43 AM   
Nvidia has explained this many times, "no user intervention".
HDMI1.3 carries a 'flag' that automatically invokes checkerboard , so 3D Vision has checkerboard. HDMI1.4 carries a flag that automatically invokes framepacking, so 3DTV Play supports only framepacking. This is what Andrew explained to the forum in Jan. 2011. Only 3D modes that are automatically invoked are supported. This also explains why Nvidia is dead set against any form of user selectable eye reversal.
Nvidia designs 3D for the casual gamer who doesn't want to be bothered with how 3D works, just click on an icon and play in 3D.
Nvidia has explained this many times, "no user intervention".

HDMI1.3 carries a 'flag' that automatically invokes checkerboard , so 3D Vision has checkerboard. HDMI1.4 carries a flag that automatically invokes framepacking, so 3DTV Play supports only framepacking. This is what Andrew explained to the forum in Jan. 2011. Only 3D modes that are automatically invoked are supported. This also explains why Nvidia is dead set against any form of user selectable eye reversal.

Nvidia designs 3D for the casual gamer who doesn't want to be bothered with how 3D works, just click on an icon and play in 3D.

#38
Posted 07/06/2011 04:05 AM   
No intervention, this is absurd, the fact that you can set separation and convergence is user intervention and not being able to choose the output - framepacking/CB/SBS is merely a limitation. If you want no user intervention go watch Avatar. This limitation which guarantees compatibility and makes it easier for Nvidia to test displays/receivers and confirm that they work, but nevertheless it makes people resort to hacks to get their favorite output. Not having a CB mode I wouldn't mind having a SBS option, which means I will have to reach for the remote and manually turn on stereo, wow that's such an effort, God forbid I brake my finger :D. This limitation also allows them to better control the consumer base of their 3dtvplay software, because if they start adding options it means they will have to make more people available for tech support.
As I see it unless a fansolution is provided for SBS, such as the one for CB we aren't getting SBS.
No intervention, this is absurd, the fact that you can set separation and convergence is user intervention and not being able to choose the output - framepacking/CB/SBS is merely a limitation. If you want no user intervention go watch Avatar. This limitation which guarantees compatibility and makes it easier for Nvidia to test displays/receivers and confirm that they work, but nevertheless it makes people resort to hacks to get their favorite output. Not having a CB mode I wouldn't mind having a SBS option, which means I will have to reach for the remote and manually turn on stereo, wow that's such an effort, God forbid I brake my finger :D. This limitation also allows them to better control the consumer base of their 3dtvplay software, because if they start adding options it means they will have to make more people available for tech support.

As I see it unless a fansolution is provided for SBS, such as the one for CB we aren't getting SBS.
#39
Posted 07/06/2011 07:20 AM   
Meh, I'm still waiting on CB support (highest quality), I'm not eager to buy an IR emitter just to access it, especially when I paid 40$ for this 3DTV Play program (which I eventually end up barely using).

Side-by-side won't improve quality that much, you can go on ahead and try Crysis 2: when nVIDIA 3D is on use 720p, then play the game with nVIDIA 3D off and enable 3D side-by-side ingame with 1080p, you'll see that it looks nearly identical to 720p FP.

Checkerboard support is what we should aim for. I don't see the problem with showing a window saying "Please set your 3DTV to Checkerboard 3D mode.",

just like those ULTRA ANNOYING "Resolution not supported" , "Out of Memory" , "Press Ctrl+Alt+Insert to hide this message" OSD messages.
Meh, I'm still waiting on CB support (highest quality), I'm not eager to buy an IR emitter just to access it, especially when I paid 40$ for this 3DTV Play program (which I eventually end up barely using).



Side-by-side won't improve quality that much, you can go on ahead and try Crysis 2: when nVIDIA 3D is on use 720p, then play the game with nVIDIA 3D off and enable 3D side-by-side ingame with 1080p, you'll see that it looks nearly identical to 720p FP.



Checkerboard support is what we should aim for. I don't see the problem with showing a window saying "Please set your 3DTV to Checkerboard 3D mode.",



just like those ULTRA ANNOYING "Resolution not supported" , "Out of Memory" , "Press Ctrl+Alt+Insert to hide this message" OSD messages.

#40
Posted 07/06/2011 02:46 PM   
[quote name='DDRRE' date='06 July 2011 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1309963562' post='1260830']
Meh, I'm still waiting on CB support (highest quality), I'm not eager to buy an IR emitter just to access it, especially when I paid 40$ for this 3DTV Play program (which I eventually end up barely using).

Side-by-side won't improve quality that much, you can go on ahead and try Crysis 2: when nVIDIA 3D is on use 720p, then play the game with nVIDIA 3D off and enable 3D side-by-side ingame with 1080p, you'll see that it looks nearly identical to 720p FP.

Checkerboard support is what we should aim for. I don't see the problem with showing a window saying "Please set your 3DTV to Checkerboard 3D mode.",

just like those ULTRA ANNOYING "Resolution not supported" , "Out of Memory" , "Press Ctrl+Alt+Insert to hide this message" OSD messages.
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A lot of people don't have Checkerboard option on their TVs, myself included.
SBS would be awesome..
[quote name='DDRRE' date='06 July 2011 - 11:46 AM' timestamp='1309963562' post='1260830']

Meh, I'm still waiting on CB support (highest quality), I'm not eager to buy an IR emitter just to access it, especially when I paid 40$ for this 3DTV Play program (which I eventually end up barely using).



Side-by-side won't improve quality that much, you can go on ahead and try Crysis 2: when nVIDIA 3D is on use 720p, then play the game with nVIDIA 3D off and enable 3D side-by-side ingame with 1080p, you'll see that it looks nearly identical to 720p FP.



Checkerboard support is what we should aim for. I don't see the problem with showing a window saying "Please set your 3DTV to Checkerboard 3D mode.",



just like those ULTRA ANNOYING "Resolution not supported" , "Out of Memory" , "Press Ctrl+Alt+Insert to hide this message" OSD messages.





A lot of people don't have Checkerboard option on their TVs, myself included.

SBS would be awesome..

#41
Posted 07/06/2011 07:13 PM   
[quote name='DDRRE' date='06 July 2011 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1309963562' post='1260830']
Meh, I'm still waiting on CB support (highest quality), I'm not eager to buy an IR emitter just to access it, especially when I paid 40$ for this 3DTV Play program (which I eventually end up barely using).

Side-by-side won't improve quality that much, you can go on ahead and try Crysis 2: when nVIDIA 3D is on use 720p, then play the game with nVIDIA 3D off and enable 3D side-by-side ingame with 1080p, you'll see that it looks nearly identical to 720p FP.

Checkerboard support is what we should aim for. I don't see the problem with showing a window saying "Please set your 3DTV to Checkerboard 3D mode.",

just like those ULTRA ANNOYING "Resolution not supported" , "Out of Memory" , "Press Ctrl+Alt+Insert to hide this message" OSD messages.
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CB and SBS are the same thing basically, both are half resolution per eye, there's no difference between these 2 3D modes. You can't say much about Crysis 2 3D, cause Crytek uses a different type of 3D tech that is not rendered by 2 slightly different views, thats' why there's no loss in performance. Cryetk 3D is not a good example, that's why you can't see a big deal of difference.
BTW, I have tried Crysis 2 in SBS and CB using my Samsung TV, and they both look the same, there's no graphical differences. Despite that CB only works in PC mode and SBS works in both video and PC mode for that matter.

I also have Avatar the game and have played it using the in game 3D options for CB and SBS and they look identical.
[quote name='DDRRE' date='06 July 2011 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1309963562' post='1260830']

Meh, I'm still waiting on CB support (highest quality), I'm not eager to buy an IR emitter just to access it, especially when I paid 40$ for this 3DTV Play program (which I eventually end up barely using).



Side-by-side won't improve quality that much, you can go on ahead and try Crysis 2: when nVIDIA 3D is on use 720p, then play the game with nVIDIA 3D off and enable 3D side-by-side ingame with 1080p, you'll see that it looks nearly identical to 720p FP.



Checkerboard support is what we should aim for. I don't see the problem with showing a window saying "Please set your 3DTV to Checkerboard 3D mode.",



just like those ULTRA ANNOYING "Resolution not supported" , "Out of Memory" , "Press Ctrl+Alt+Insert to hide this message" OSD messages.





CB and SBS are the same thing basically, both are half resolution per eye, there's no difference between these 2 3D modes. You can't say much about Crysis 2 3D, cause Crytek uses a different type of 3D tech that is not rendered by 2 slightly different views, thats' why there's no loss in performance. Cryetk 3D is not a good example, that's why you can't see a big deal of difference.

BTW, I have tried Crysis 2 in SBS and CB using my Samsung TV, and they both look the same, there's no graphical differences. Despite that CB only works in PC mode and SBS works in both video and PC mode for that matter.



I also have Avatar the game and have played it using the in game 3D options for CB and SBS and they look identical.

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#42
Posted 07/06/2011 08:35 PM   
Actually, assuming top/bottom is as widely supported as sbs, that might be the best choice, since then passive display would achieve half resolution too. (Or thats what im told)
Actually, assuming top/bottom is as widely supported as sbs, that might be the best choice, since then passive display would achieve half resolution too. (Or thats what im told)

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#43
Posted 07/07/2011 12:45 AM   
Hello,

I've read all topics about this, done many searches...
I've decided to register because if everyone reads without write, nvidia could think nobody cares !

I own a Panasonic VT30 and a GTX 570.
I know it's impossible for me to have Checkerboard@1080p60, and i'm not asking Nvidia to add it on the 3DTVPlay Software, since it's already possible with 3D Vision + Rollermod, and because Checkerboard is not a the future : less and less TVs are compatible.

[b]BUT[/b]
Like many people, i'd like the Side-By-Side and/or Top-Bottom on 3DTVPlay Software to be able to play in 1080p60... (even if it's half-resolution per eye..)
Believe me, i tried it with TriDef. It's far better than 720p60 !!
Again, 720p60 is horrible.

When someone buys a $2000 TV, and as for the PC, he's expecting a superior quality than a Xbox 360 on a low priced TV...
And, as far as i know, the VT30 upscales well. So the problem is not here.


For now, i'm not going to buy the 3DTV Play Software.
My trial period has expired, i'm going to switch to TriDef.
Of course, i will buy 3DTVPlay as soon as SBS and/or T/B is available.

I don't like TriDef interface. But for now, you give me no choice !

Seriously, 3DTVPlay would be "perfect" with this feature (we'd know we couldn't get higher quality - i mean Real1080p60 per eye - due to HDMI 1.4 limitations).

[b]I hope you will make the right choice.[/b]




Just a little word about your "no user interaction" reply.

I have my PC connected to the TV, and because 24p is the best framerate when i play movies, i want to set my desktop to 1080p24.
And i'm automaticaly switched to 3D, because apparently for the driver, 1080p24 = 3D, even if it's 2D.
But maybe i've made a mistake in the configuration so... if it's the case, never mind :)


Another little word :
Newest TVs automaticaly detects when a Side-by-Side or a Top-Bottom image is displayed, and automatically switch to 3D.



So, i see only one reason to not add SBS/TB on 3DTV Play :
you want high-end users use TriDef or iZ3D :(



(As you can imagine, English is not my native language so excuse me)
Hello,



I've read all topics about this, done many searches...

I've decided to register because if everyone reads without write, nvidia could think nobody cares !



I own a Panasonic VT30 and a GTX 570.

I know it's impossible for me to have Checkerboard@1080p60, and i'm not asking Nvidia to add it on the 3DTVPlay Software, since it's already possible with 3D Vision + Rollermod, and because Checkerboard is not a the future : less and less TVs are compatible.



BUT

Like many people, i'd like the Side-By-Side and/or Top-Bottom on 3DTVPlay Software to be able to play in 1080p60... (even if it's half-resolution per eye..)

Believe me, i tried it with TriDef. It's far better than 720p60 !!

Again, 720p60 is horrible.



When someone buys a $2000 TV, and as for the PC, he's expecting a superior quality than a Xbox 360 on a low priced TV...

And, as far as i know, the VT30 upscales well. So the problem is not here.





For now, i'm not going to buy the 3DTV Play Software.

My trial period has expired, i'm going to switch to TriDef.

Of course, i will buy 3DTVPlay as soon as SBS and/or T/B is available.



I don't like TriDef interface. But for now, you give me no choice !



Seriously, 3DTVPlay would be "perfect" with this feature (we'd know we couldn't get higher quality - i mean Real1080p60 per eye - due to HDMI 1.4 limitations).



I hope you will make the right choice.









Just a little word about your "no user interaction" reply.



I have my PC connected to the TV, and because 24p is the best framerate when i play movies, i want to set my desktop to 1080p24.

And i'm automaticaly switched to 3D, because apparently for the driver, 1080p24 = 3D, even if it's 2D.

But maybe i've made a mistake in the configuration so... if it's the case, never mind :)





Another little word :

Newest TVs automaticaly detects when a Side-by-Side or a Top-Bottom image is displayed, and automatically switch to 3D.







So, i see only one reason to not add SBS/TB on 3DTV Play :

you want high-end users use TriDef or iZ3D :(







(As you can imagine, English is not my native language so excuse me)

MOTHERBOARD: Asus Z87-WS C2 / CPU: Intel Core i7 4790k @ 4.4GHz
GRAPHIC: 2 * GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition / RAM: Kingston 2x8Go @ 2400MHz, CAS 11
SSD OS: Intel SSD 520 180Go / SSD GAMES: Crucial M500 960 Go
MONITORS: 3 * DELL U2515H / 3DTV: LG 65UG870V

#44
Posted 07/13/2011 12:14 PM   
Can we PLEASE get a reply from Nvidia on this?! Xbox 360 uses SbS on Call of Duty Black Ops. The console kiddies can handle manually putting their 3DTVs into SbS mode.

The 360 version in SbS looks MUCH better than the PS3 version in 720p framepacking. The 360 version in SbS also looks better than the PC version using 3DTV play with 720p framepacking.

Are you happy being beaten by the 6 year old Xbox 360, Nvidia?
Can we PLEASE get a reply from Nvidia on this?! Xbox 360 uses SbS on Call of Duty Black Ops. The console kiddies can handle manually putting their 3DTVs into SbS mode.



The 360 version in SbS looks MUCH better than the PS3 version in 720p framepacking. The 360 version in SbS also looks better than the PC version using 3DTV play with 720p framepacking.



Are you happy being beaten by the 6 year old Xbox 360, Nvidia?

#45
Posted 08/16/2011 05:33 PM   
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