Should I wait to purchase a new 3d vision display?
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[quote="bo3b"]I think LightBoost is also supposed to dramatically help ghosting, because the backlight is strobing instead, which means it's turned off during the edge times that cause ghosting. [/quote]
I sense no difference with ghosting after switching to monitor with lightboost. If it increased it is not notably
bo3b said:I think LightBoost is also supposed to dramatically help ghosting, because the backlight is strobing instead, which means it's turned off during the edge times that cause ghosting.
I sense no difference with ghosting after switching to monitor with lightboost. If it increased it is not notably
I've not consciously noticed ghosting on my Samsung ES7500 LCD unless i was specifically looking for it which is amazing to me considering the horrible ghosting i experienced on my Sony built only 3 years prior and also my VG278H.
I recommend at least trying a Samsung in checkerboard mode at a store using the 3DTV Play trial. The size depth cue more closely matches up with its 3D position.
I've not consciously noticed ghosting on my Samsung ES7500 LCD unless i was specifically looking for it which is amazing to me considering the horrible ghosting i experienced on my Sony built only 3 years prior and also my VG278H.
I recommend at least trying a Samsung in checkerboard mode at a store using the 3DTV Play trial. The size depth cue more closely matches up with its 3D position.
It is a pity there is not any good comparison review about 3D monitors, not based on tech specs but somebody experiencing with them in real life and perceiving the real differences, especially related to ghosting. Every single opinion is always relative if not using different monitors to compare.
If there is any good comparison I would like to know (maybe there are any). I really do not know if there is a real big difference between my Samsung 2233RZ and the new monitors, besides the size, lightboost (I really do not know if that is really important), inputs, integrated speakers.
It is a pity there is not any good comparison review about 3D monitors, not based on tech specs but somebody experiencing with them in real life and perceiving the real differences, especially related to ghosting. Every single opinion is always relative if not using different monitors to compare.
If there is any good comparison I would like to know (maybe there are any). I really do not know if there is a real big difference between my Samsung 2233RZ and the new monitors, besides the size, lightboost (I really do not know if that is really important), inputs, integrated speakers.
I've been extremely impressed by the integrated speakers in the nvidia shield. If there are monitors with speakers like that, they wouldn't be half bad.
I personally wouldn't settle for them on my desktop, where I use a 5.1 system or $700 headphones, but they're probably on par or better with most of the little desktop speakers many people use.
[quote="b4thman"]It is a pity there is not any good comparison review about 3D monitors, not based on tech specs but somebody experiencing with them in real life and perceiving the real differences, especially related to ghosting. Every single opinion is always relative if not using different monitors to compare.[/quote]In a sense, that's why it's probably not so important in the long run: you'll only use the one monitor, and you won't be comparing it to others. The differences to your previous monitor will stand out for a few weeks, and then you'll get used to it and it will become your 'normal'.
I have absolutely no idea how the ghosting on my monitor compares to other 3D monitors, because I've never tried other 3D monitors. I don't really care if one would be slightly better than another in an unnatural side-by-side comparison. I say just go with one of the more reputable models, and you'll be right.
I've been extremely impressed by the integrated speakers in the nvidia shield. If there are monitors with speakers like that, they wouldn't be half bad.
I personally wouldn't settle for them on my desktop, where I use a 5.1 system or $700 headphones, but they're probably on par or better with most of the little desktop speakers many people use.
b4thman said:It is a pity there is not any good comparison review about 3D monitors, not based on tech specs but somebody experiencing with them in real life and perceiving the real differences, especially related to ghosting. Every single opinion is always relative if not using different monitors to compare.
In a sense, that's why it's probably not so important in the long run: you'll only use the one monitor, and you won't be comparing it to others. The differences to your previous monitor will stand out for a few weeks, and then you'll get used to it and it will become your 'normal'.
I have absolutely no idea how the ghosting on my monitor compares to other 3D monitors, because I've never tried other 3D monitors. I don't really care if one would be slightly better than another in an unnatural side-by-side comparison. I say just go with one of the more reputable models, and you'll be right.
One of the better comparisons you will find:
[url]http://3dvision-blog.com/4056-stereo-3d-display-crosstalk-test-photos-with-some-results/[/url]
Some good comments and comparisons in the comments section.
As noted before, if ghosting is your primary concern, you should seriously consider a DLP projector, where there is no ghosting.
Thanks for the link. In fact I have both, Samsung 2233RZ monitor and Acer H5360 DLP, and I can confirm that DLP is ghosting free (although it has another cons). Even though ghosting is the most important aspect related to 3D (for me), most times I use the monitor instead of DLP for some reasons:
- Lower consumption.
- Less heat (specially in these seasons).
- Less noise (very important for me).
- It is easier and more confortable for me to play with the keyboard+mouse oriented to the monitor, instead of moving everything towards the big screen. I use DLP more for watching movies, or playing any specific game using the xbox wireless controller.
- The room has not why to be in total darkness with the monitor. I never use the DLP during the day.
- The monitor uses more resolution in 3D (1680x1080 instead of 1280x720).
I can write about my experience here. In these past years I have had others 3D systems. I had Zalman trimon monitor (using pasive glasses) and the result would have been very good if had not been for the resolution that you lose (you could see only half of the lines with each eye). I wonder how would be that result using today's 4K resolution. There were other cons, you had to be placed properly in front of the monitor to avoid ghosting, but nothing about flickering. A bit of darkening, but not as much as using Nvidia 3d vision.
I achieved my best experience using two cheap monitors placed on "planar" setup (it was before Nvidia decided to apply "censure" and stopped supporting other hardware but the monitors with its license..., that is why I bought the Samsung 2233RZ and Nvidia occupied the worst place in my valour ranking). Planar setup had another cons, I had to play in a very restrictive position and I often finished with neck ache. Also your desktop seemed to be like a weird place with that monitor occupying too much space.
I think Nvidia 3D Vision is good solution, despite the cons (ghosting, darkening, flickering, compatibility, etc). Of course we all know that reducing refresh rates also reduces ghosting and increases brightness, but in exchange of more flickering.
My principal doubt is if there is another compatible Nvidia 3D Vision monitor noticeably better than mine that uses any kind of tech reducing ghosting. I have heard about new ones, but nobody comparing new and old monitors watching them and not only guessing based on specs. I have Nvidia 3d vision 2 glasses, but my monitor does not support lightboost, another thing that I do not know how important may be.
Thanks for the link. In fact I have both, Samsung 2233RZ monitor and Acer H5360 DLP, and I can confirm that DLP is ghosting free (although it has another cons). Even though ghosting is the most important aspect related to 3D (for me), most times I use the monitor instead of DLP for some reasons:
- Lower consumption.
- Less heat (specially in these seasons).
- Less noise (very important for me).
- It is easier and more confortable for me to play with the keyboard+mouse oriented to the monitor, instead of moving everything towards the big screen. I use DLP more for watching movies, or playing any specific game using the xbox wireless controller.
- The room has not why to be in total darkness with the monitor. I never use the DLP during the day.
- The monitor uses more resolution in 3D (1680x1080 instead of 1280x720).
I can write about my experience here. In these past years I have had others 3D systems. I had Zalman trimon monitor (using pasive glasses) and the result would have been very good if had not been for the resolution that you lose (you could see only half of the lines with each eye). I wonder how would be that result using today's 4K resolution. There were other cons, you had to be placed properly in front of the monitor to avoid ghosting, but nothing about flickering. A bit of darkening, but not as much as using Nvidia 3d vision.
I achieved my best experience using two cheap monitors placed on "planar" setup (it was before Nvidia decided to apply "censure" and stopped supporting other hardware but the monitors with its license..., that is why I bought the Samsung 2233RZ and Nvidia occupied the worst place in my valour ranking). Planar setup had another cons, I had to play in a very restrictive position and I often finished with neck ache. Also your desktop seemed to be like a weird place with that monitor occupying too much space.
I think Nvidia 3D Vision is good solution, despite the cons (ghosting, darkening, flickering, compatibility, etc). Of course we all know that reducing refresh rates also reduces ghosting and increases brightness, but in exchange of more flickering.
My principal doubt is if there is another compatible Nvidia 3D Vision monitor noticeably better than mine that uses any kind of tech reducing ghosting. I have heard about new ones, but nobody comparing new and old monitors watching them and not only guessing based on specs. I have Nvidia 3d vision 2 glasses, but my monitor does not support lightboost, another thing that I do not know how important may be.
[quote="b4thman"]It is a pity there is not any good comparison review about 3D monitors, not based on tech specs but somebody experiencing with them in real life and perceiving the real differences, especially related to ghosting. Every single opinion is always relative if not using different monitors to compare.
If there is any good comparison I would like to know (maybe there are any). I really do not know if there is a real big difference between my Samsung 2233RZ and the new monitors, besides the size, lightboost (I really do not know if that is really important), inputs, integrated speakers.[/quote]
You can use Digitalversus.com crosstalk photos along with their pixel response time measurements to compare one display from another. It obviously will help if you know what the crosstalk is like on one display they have reviewed, then you can estimate how another display will perform, crosstalk wise, based on the difference in measurements.
ES8000 and the ES7500 are great performers for crosstalk and would make a good reference. The VG278 of course too. They review monitors and TVs.
b4thman said:It is a pity there is not any good comparison review about 3D monitors, not based on tech specs but somebody experiencing with them in real life and perceiving the real differences, especially related to ghosting. Every single opinion is always relative if not using different monitors to compare.
If there is any good comparison I would like to know (maybe there are any). I really do not know if there is a real big difference between my Samsung 2233RZ and the new monitors, besides the size, lightboost (I really do not know if that is really important), inputs, integrated speakers.
You can use Digitalversus.com crosstalk photos along with their pixel response time measurements to compare one display from another. It obviously will help if you know what the crosstalk is like on one display they have reviewed, then you can estimate how another display will perform, crosstalk wise, based on the difference in measurements.
ES8000 and the ES7500 are great performers for crosstalk and would make a good reference. The VG278 of course too. They review monitors and TVs.
I have heard that lightboost is a BIG difference. Many people saying that after switching from non-lightboost to lightboost, they realize that non-lightboost is a crap.
Just writing what I find in inet...
My question (from a non-lightboost user): Is it supposed that lightboost completely voids the darkening and decoloring effect of the glasses? Or just a little?
Greets
I have heard that lightboost is a BIG difference. Many people saying that after switching from non-lightboost to lightboost, they realize that non-lightboost is a crap.
Just writing what I find in inet...
My question (from a non-lightboost user): Is it supposed that lightboost completely voids the darkening and decoloring effect of the glasses? Or just a little?
Yeah I really would have liked if nVidia did come out with an even better, say 3d vision 3 :)
I like 3d very much but on the same time the crosstalk even tho it's much better then on 3d vision 1 it's still there on a monitor that is.
And it does darkening the game a whole lot if you as me so it will take away a whole lot of the beautiful graphics a game can have, as many things get crushed but that's just what I think :)
As I will get the ROG monitor I frankly dont know if I will get an 3d vision kit for it as you have to get that seperate. I probably will only use the super nice G-Sync and be happy without 3d and get a Ocululus Rift for the real 3d deal!
Yeah I really would have liked if nVidia did come out with an even better, say 3d vision 3 :)
I like 3d very much but on the same time the crosstalk even tho it's much better then on 3d vision 1 it's still there on a monitor that is.
And it does darkening the game a whole lot if you as me so it will take away a whole lot of the beautiful graphics a game can have, as many things get crushed but that's just what I think :)
As I will get the ROG monitor I frankly dont know if I will get an 3d vision kit for it as you have to get that seperate. I probably will only use the super nice G-Sync and be happy without 3d and get a Ocululus Rift for the real 3d deal!
I sense no difference with ghosting after switching to monitor with lightboost. If it increased it is not notably
I recommend at least trying a Samsung in checkerboard mode at a store using the 3DTV Play trial. The size depth cue more closely matches up with its 3D position.
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
If there is any good comparison I would like to know (maybe there are any). I really do not know if there is a real big difference between my Samsung 2233RZ and the new monitors, besides the size, lightboost (I really do not know if that is really important), inputs, integrated speakers.
- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)
As for the differences, I'd suggest the main one would be the size.
I personally wouldn't settle for them on my desktop, where I use a 5.1 system or $700 headphones, but they're probably on par or better with most of the little desktop speakers many people use.
In a sense, that's why it's probably not so important in the long run: you'll only use the one monitor, and you won't be comparing it to others. The differences to your previous monitor will stand out for a few weeks, and then you'll get used to it and it will become your 'normal'.
I have absolutely no idea how the ghosting on my monitor compares to other 3D monitors, because I've never tried other 3D monitors. I don't really care if one would be slightly better than another in an unnatural side-by-side comparison. I say just go with one of the more reputable models, and you'll be right.
http://3dvision-blog.com/4056-stereo-3d-display-crosstalk-test-photos-with-some-results/
Some good comments and comparisons in the comments section.
As noted before, if ghosting is your primary concern, you should seriously consider a DLP projector, where there is no ghosting.
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- Lower consumption.
- Less heat (specially in these seasons).
- Less noise (very important for me).
- It is easier and more confortable for me to play with the keyboard+mouse oriented to the monitor, instead of moving everything towards the big screen. I use DLP more for watching movies, or playing any specific game using the xbox wireless controller.
- The room has not why to be in total darkness with the monitor. I never use the DLP during the day.
- The monitor uses more resolution in 3D (1680x1080 instead of 1280x720).
I can write about my experience here. In these past years I have had others 3D systems. I had Zalman trimon monitor (using pasive glasses) and the result would have been very good if had not been for the resolution that you lose (you could see only half of the lines with each eye). I wonder how would be that result using today's 4K resolution. There were other cons, you had to be placed properly in front of the monitor to avoid ghosting, but nothing about flickering. A bit of darkening, but not as much as using Nvidia 3d vision.
I achieved my best experience using two cheap monitors placed on "planar" setup (it was before Nvidia decided to apply "censure" and stopped supporting other hardware but the monitors with its license..., that is why I bought the Samsung 2233RZ and Nvidia occupied the worst place in my valour ranking). Planar setup had another cons, I had to play in a very restrictive position and I often finished with neck ache. Also your desktop seemed to be like a weird place with that monitor occupying too much space.
I think Nvidia 3D Vision is good solution, despite the cons (ghosting, darkening, flickering, compatibility, etc). Of course we all know that reducing refresh rates also reduces ghosting and increases brightness, but in exchange of more flickering.
My principal doubt is if there is another compatible Nvidia 3D Vision monitor noticeably better than mine that uses any kind of tech reducing ghosting. I have heard about new ones, but nobody comparing new and old monitors watching them and not only guessing based on specs. I have Nvidia 3d vision 2 glasses, but my monitor does not support lightboost, another thing that I do not know how important may be.
- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)
You can use Digitalversus.com crosstalk photos along with their pixel response time measurements to compare one display from another. It obviously will help if you know what the crosstalk is like on one display they have reviewed, then you can estimate how another display will perform, crosstalk wise, based on the difference in measurements.
ES8000 and the ES7500 are great performers for crosstalk and would make a good reference. The VG278 of course too. They review monitors and TVs.
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
Just writing what I find in inet...
My question (from a non-lightboost user): Is it supposed that lightboost completely voids the darkening and decoloring effect of the glasses? Or just a little?
Greets
I like 3d very much but on the same time the crosstalk even tho it's much better then on 3d vision 1 it's still there on a monitor that is.
And it does darkening the game a whole lot if you as me so it will take away a whole lot of the beautiful graphics a game can have, as many things get crushed but that's just what I think :)
As I will get the ROG monitor I frankly dont know if I will get an 3d vision kit for it as you have to get that seperate. I probably will only use the super nice G-Sync and be happy without 3d and get a Ocululus Rift for the real 3d deal!