Hi everyone,
I want to buy a new videocard for to play in 3d mode with nvidia 3D Vision @1080P...
1)
Which setup it's better, ¿One GTX 780(650USD) or SLI GTX 760(500USD Both)?
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Other question..
2)
My pc is the next:
- Intel i7 920 @2.66ghz
- 6gb ddr3
- asus p6t deluxe v2
- power supply corsair 850w
¿My hardware can be a bottle neck for a GTX 780 or a SLI GTX760?
Thanks!
The two are pretty much equally as fast, so there nothing between them there. Two 760's will use more power, and be noisier, but not by much. Also, on very rare occasions SLI has issues in 3D, like effects rendering in one eye where on a single card they would work, but thats so uncommon its not much to think about unless its a game you really were looking forward to playing. Theres also the chance of microstutter with the SLI system.
I'd personally go with the 780, can't be bothered with two cards... and I'm a sucker for that sexy metal cooler and Geforce logo. But, if you want to save some cash, you don't lose a whole lot by going with the SLI setup.
However, your system may have an issue when you are running GPU solutions this fast. I'm using a 3570K at 4.5GHz, with a 780. If a drop my CPU clock back to stock the stock frequency, frame rate DROPS DEAD in quite a few games. The effect will be most notable in CPU intensive games, where your CPU usage will top out before the GPU has a chance to do any heavy lifting.
The two are pretty much equally as fast, so there nothing between them there. Two 760's will use more power, and be noisier, but not by much. Also, on very rare occasions SLI has issues in 3D, like effects rendering in one eye where on a single card they would work, but thats so uncommon its not much to think about unless its a game you really were looking forward to playing. Theres also the chance of microstutter with the SLI system.
I'd personally go with the 780, can't be bothered with two cards... and I'm a sucker for that sexy metal cooler and Geforce logo. But, if you want to save some cash, you don't lose a whole lot by going with the SLI setup.
However, your system may have an issue when you are running GPU solutions this fast. I'm using a 3570K at 4.5GHz, with a 780. If a drop my CPU clock back to stock the stock frequency, frame rate DROPS DEAD in quite a few games. The effect will be most notable in CPU intensive games, where your CPU usage will top out before the GPU has a chance to do any heavy lifting.
I'd have to go the other way. If you're playing in 2d, SLI will give about a 50% boost most of the time. But if you're playing in 3d, you'll generally double your framerate - and your CPU doesn't look like it will bottleneck. Looking at benchmarks and extrapolating, you'll get better performance from the SLI 760s.
As for issues in 3d - some games have issues with SLI, some have issues with a single card. Though generally the people on the forum patch games so they don't have issues with either. So that's unlikely to be a real issue.
I'd have to go the other way. If you're playing in 2d, SLI will give about a 50% boost most of the time. But if you're playing in 3d, you'll generally double your framerate - and your CPU doesn't look like it will bottleneck. Looking at benchmarks and extrapolating, you'll get better performance from the SLI 760s.
As for issues in 3d - some games have issues with SLI, some have issues with a single card. Though generally the people on the forum patch games so they don't have issues with either. So that's unlikely to be a real issue.
[quote="Cookybiscuit"]Also, on very rare occasions SLI has issues in 3D, like effects rendering in one eye where on a single card they would work[/quote]
Non-sli is the one with issues. I've talked about this and you can see via my last like 8 posts on Helixmod site you will see I ran into a chain of games where I needed to fix non-sli. TBH, I know of no occasion where SLI has issues in 3D where non-sli doesn't. FarCry 3 is only time I know of and it was assigned wrong profile by nvidia.
It seems the 3D vision software was tested/favored for SLI. Though I wouldn't let that detract anyone from making a decision of cards. Its pretty rare.
SLI does seem to have a very strong performance benefit in 3D. You got to go with your gut tbh. Those 660'S will be much faster in 3D but upgrading from 660's SLI is pretty hard since you got to toss/sell it. 680 leaves room for upgrading.
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Your CPU isnt as fast as I'd like tbh but as far as bottlenecking I guess it depends on the game.
We can test however even prior to upgrading GPU. Start whatever games you plan to play when you get 3D [We are testing in 2D however]. Set to lowest resolution.
Download fraps. Turn off your vsync.
You want above 100 fps in actiony scenes at all times.
I recommend three games to be tested.
If its less you need to consider overclocking/upgrading.
I am fine at 3.4k clocked at 3.8k and never ran into a bottleneck.
Cookybiscuit said:Also, on very rare occasions SLI has issues in 3D, like effects rendering in one eye where on a single card they would work
Non-sli is the one with issues. I've talked about this and you can see via my last like 8 posts on Helixmod site you will see I ran into a chain of games where I needed to fix non-sli. TBH, I know of no occasion where SLI has issues in 3D where non-sli doesn't. FarCry 3 is only time I know of and it was assigned wrong profile by nvidia.
It seems the 3D vision software was tested/favored for SLI. Though I wouldn't let that detract anyone from making a decision of cards. Its pretty rare.
SLI does seem to have a very strong performance benefit in 3D. You got to go with your gut tbh. Those 660'S will be much faster in 3D but upgrading from 660's SLI is pretty hard since you got to toss/sell it. 680 leaves room for upgrading.
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Your CPU isnt as fast as I'd like tbh but as far as bottlenecking I guess it depends on the game.
We can test however even prior to upgrading GPU. Start whatever games you plan to play when you get 3D [We are testing in 2D however]. Set to lowest resolution.
Download fraps. Turn off your vsync.
You want above 100 fps in actiony scenes at all times.
I recommend three games to be tested.
If its less you need to consider overclocking/upgrading.
I am fine at 3.4k clocked at 3.8k and never ran into a bottleneck.
Co-founder of helixmod.blog.com
If you like one of my helixmod patches and want to donate. Can send to me through paypal - eqzitara@yahoo.com
Thanks for help me guys :)
¿VRam is not important?
Vram of a SLI GTX760 is only 2GB, non 2GB+2GB ¿It's correct?... But Vram of GTX 780 is 3GB.
¿2gb of VRAM are enough for 3D Vision @1080P?
Thanks!
That's right SLI 2G memory is still 2G for what the game sees. It's duplicated memory.
2G should be fine for 1080p gaming, but a little on the light side if you want to do supersampling (where it draws into a larger 'screen', then samples it down to 1080). To do that well, 3G would be better.
I think I would lean toward the 780. It's also a GK110 part, not GK104. The 760 is essentially the same as the 6xx series. The 780 also incorporates their new adaptive fan technology, which allows you to auto-overclock to specific temperature.
The only reason to do SLI at the same price point, is if we all thought that SLI was somehow superior in general for 3D gaming. That's a tough question. There is the non-SLI profiles that eqzitara has noted, and problems do tend to show up in non-SLI more than the other way around. Not sure that's enough to pull me out of the 3G + GK110 camp.
That's right SLI 2G memory is still 2G for what the game sees. It's duplicated memory.
2G should be fine for 1080p gaming, but a little on the light side if you want to do supersampling (where it draws into a larger 'screen', then samples it down to 1080). To do that well, 3G would be better.
I think I would lean toward the 780. It's also a GK110 part, not GK104. The 760 is essentially the same as the 6xx series. The 780 also incorporates their new adaptive fan technology, which allows you to auto-overclock to specific temperature.
The only reason to do SLI at the same price point, is if we all thought that SLI was somehow superior in general for 3D gaming. That's a tough question. There is the non-SLI profiles that eqzitara has noted, and problems do tend to show up in non-SLI more than the other way around. Not sure that's enough to pull me out of the 3G + GK110 camp.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
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I still say go with the 760s. In SLI, you'll be working with 2gb on /each card/. It's enough, it'll probably be a little faster, and you're less likely to have problems.
I still say go with the 760s. In SLI, you'll be working with 2gb on /each card/. It's enough, it'll probably be a little faster, and you're less likely to have problems.
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]I still say go with the 760s. In SLI, you'll be working with 2gb on /each card/. It's enough, it'll probably be a little faster, and you're less likely to have problems.[/quote]Don't listen to him, he's a madman!
More seriously, there are some things that only you can answer.
For example, are you planning to upgrade your monitor during the time you have the cards? (Could use more VRAM)
Maybe run Surround in the future? (Need more VRAM)
Are you price sensitive? (SLI tends to be better performance/$)
Is your motherboard already SLI ready, and not some borked 16x/4x setup? (SLI can run worse, sometimes)
Do you prefer to have upgrade options? (Buy single now, upgrade if needed)
Do you care about PhysX? (Have room for a third card)
What games are you targeting specifically? (Only Metro slows my older SLI GTX580)
Is noise a concern? (SLI is worse, especially compared with 780 fan control)
Do you ever play 2D? (Broken SLI profiles at game launches)
Not academic, I'm considering an upgrade myself and trying to decide what's the right balance. A friend just jumped his GTX480 SLI to a single Titan, and now I feel less manly with GTX580 SLI.
Pirateguybrush said:I still say go with the 760s. In SLI, you'll be working with 2gb on /each card/. It's enough, it'll probably be a little faster, and you're less likely to have problems.
Don't listen to him, he's a madman!
More seriously, there are some things that only you can answer.
For example, are you planning to upgrade your monitor during the time you have the cards? (Could use more VRAM)
Maybe run Surround in the future? (Need more VRAM)
Are you price sensitive? (SLI tends to be better performance/$)
Is your motherboard already SLI ready, and not some borked 16x/4x setup? (SLI can run worse, sometimes)
Do you prefer to have upgrade options? (Buy single now, upgrade if needed)
Do you care about PhysX? (Have room for a third card)
What games are you targeting specifically? (Only Metro slows my older SLI GTX580)
Is noise a concern? (SLI is worse, especially compared with 780 fan control)
Do you ever play 2D? (Broken SLI profiles at game launches)
Not academic, I'm considering an upgrade myself and trying to decide what's the right balance. A friend just jumped his GTX480 SLI to a single Titan, and now I feel less manly with GTX580 SLI.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Id probably look at benchmarks first regardless.
If your going to "start up" with SLI. Id buy used imo, I know that sounds like a bad suggestion but at 3/5 cost its worth it for me personally.
Buying two brand new cards and using for SLI sounds harsh for a person on a budget because you got to keep dropping two cards.
If your going to "start up" with SLI. Id buy used imo, I know that sounds like a bad suggestion but at 3/5 cost its worth it for me personally.
Buying two brand new cards and using for SLI sounds harsh for a person on a budget because you got to keep dropping two cards.
Co-founder of helixmod.blog.com
If you like one of my helixmod patches and want to donate. Can send to me through paypal - eqzitara@yahoo.com
[quote="bo3b"][quote="Pirateguybrush"]I still say go with the 760s. In SLI, you'll be working with 2gb on /each card/. It's enough, it'll probably be a little faster, and you're less likely to have problems.[/quote]Don't listen to him, he's a madman!
More seriously, there are some things that only you can answer.
For example, are you planning to upgrade your monitor during the time you have the cards? (Could use more VRAM) Maybe run Surround in the future? (Need more VRAM)
[u][b]No surround solutions, and with only one monitor 1080P 3D monitor 120hz it's ok.[/b][/u]
Are you price sensitive? (SLI tends to be better performance/$)
[u][b]I don't have much money :( but also i am sensitive to the power consumption[/b][/u]
Is your motherboard already SLI ready, and not some borked 16x/4x setup? (SLI can run worse, sometimes)
[u][b]3 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (at x16/x16/x1 or x16/x8/x8 mode)[/b][/u]
Do you prefer to have upgrade options? (Buy single now, upgrade if needed)
[u][b]I think if buy a gtx 780, it will be the only one... no 780 sli in the future :([/b][/u]
Do you care about PhysX? (Have room for a third card)
[u][b]¿But PhysX is not possible with only one vga?[/b][/u]
What games are you targeting specifically? (Only Metro slows my older SLI GTX580)
[u][b]For example: the witcher 2, alan wake, tomb raider, no fps...[/b][/u]
Is noise a concern? (SLI is worse, especially compared with 780 fan control)
[u][b]Noise can be a problem for me, but worse is power consumption :([/b][/u]
Do you ever play 2D? (Broken SLI profiles at game launches)
[u][b]Play in 2D sometimes, but THE PRIORITY is play in 3D @1080P with nVIDIA 3D Vision.[/b][/u]
Not academic, I'm considering an upgrade myself and trying to decide what's the right balance. A friend just jumped his GTX480 SLI to a single Titan, and now I feel less manly with GTX580 SLI.[/quote]
Thanks a lot.
Pirateguybrush said:I still say go with the 760s. In SLI, you'll be working with 2gb on /each card/. It's enough, it'll probably be a little faster, and you're less likely to have problems.
Don't listen to him, he's a madman!
More seriously, there are some things that only you can answer.
For example, are you planning to upgrade your monitor during the time you have the cards? (Could use more VRAM) Maybe run Surround in the future? (Need more VRAM)
No surround solutions, and with only one monitor 1080P 3D monitor 120hz it's ok.
Are you price sensitive? (SLI tends to be better performance/$)
I don't have much money :( but also i am sensitive to the power consumption
Is your motherboard already SLI ready, and not some borked 16x/4x setup? (SLI can run worse, sometimes)
3 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (at x16/x16/x1 or x16/x8/x8 mode)
Do you prefer to have upgrade options? (Buy single now, upgrade if needed)
I think if buy a gtx 780, it will be the only one... no 780 sli in the future :(
Do you care about PhysX? (Have room for a third card)
¿But PhysX is not possible with only one vga?
What games are you targeting specifically? (Only Metro slows my older SLI GTX580)
For example: the witcher 2, alan wake, tomb raider, no fps...
Is noise a concern? (SLI is worse, especially compared with 780 fan control)
Noise can be a problem for me, but worse is power consumption :(
Do you ever play 2D? (Broken SLI profiles at game launches)
Play in 2D sometimes, but THE PRIORITY is play in 3D @1080P with nVIDIA 3D Vision.
Not academic, I'm considering an upgrade myself and trying to decide what's the right balance. A friend just jumped his GTX480 SLI to a single Titan, and now I feel less manly with GTX580 SLI.
I'd buy 1 780 now and add a 2nd one in SLI later if needed. As already mentioned 3-4GB might come in handy for heavy AA, super sampling or multiscreen setups in the future.
Personally I'm planning on upgrading my 570SLI setup to a 780SLI setup when Evga cards that have single fans are available. (I'd rather have the sucking the air in or blowing the air out the back then the dual fan configuration which blows air around inside your case)
I'd buy 1 780 now and add a 2nd one in SLI later if needed. As already mentioned 3-4GB might come in handy for heavy AA, super sampling or multiscreen setups in the future.
Personally I'm planning on upgrading my 570SLI setup to a 780SLI setup when Evga cards that have single fans are available. (I'd rather have the sucking the air in or blowing the air out the back then the dual fan configuration which blows air around inside your case)
If you look at the link in this post, it shows somewhat minimal FPS gains when using a dedicated PhysX card. Of course that was then and this is now, demands for Physx have increased. But I can not find a performance chart for Physx in a newer game. According to Nvidia, PhysX effects are 10-20 times better when the GPU is used over the CPU.
[quote="Volnaiskra"]Have a look at this pic - it should help you decide: http://international.download.nvidia.com/webassets/en_US/shared/images/articles/batmanarkhamcity/BAC-DX11-TessHigh-PhysXHigh-FXAAHigh-PhysXSecondaryCardComparison.png
it comes from this article: http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/batman-arkham-city-graphics-breakdown-and-performance-guide#3
If you're going to be buying a new card, a good idea may be to upgrade your main card, and use the old main card as your physX card. It'll cost a bit extra of course, but it'll give you a massive performance boost all round.[/quote]
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/physx/faq
A list of some PhysX games http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/physx/games
Edit: Planetside 2 shows a hefty performance hit if not using a dedicated PhysX card.
[url]http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/planetside-2-tweak-guide#6[/url]
If you look at the link in this post, it shows somewhat minimal FPS gains when using a dedicated PhysX card. Of course that was then and this is now, demands for Physx have increased. But I can not find a performance chart for Physx in a newer game. According to Nvidia, PhysX effects are 10-20 times better when the GPU is used over the CPU.
it comes from this article: http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/batman-arkham-city-graphics-breakdown-and-performance-guide#3
If you're going to be buying a new card, a good idea may be to upgrade your main card, and use the old main card as your physX card. It'll cost a bit extra of course, but it'll give you a massive performance boost all round.
If you are interested in SLI, you might read these two stickies to familiarize yourself with the technology.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/469402/sli/faq-quot-will-these-two-cards-work-in-sli-quot-sli-what-works-with-what-/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/532913/sli/geforce-sli-technology-an-introductory-guide/
As well as the FAQ
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/faq
Physx works fine on one or two cards, you don't need a dedicated physx card.
Buying a 780 with the view of adding a second one in a year or two isn't a bad idea either.
I want to buy a new videocard for to play in 3d mode with nvidia 3D Vision @1080P...
1)
Which setup it's better, ¿One GTX 780(650USD) or SLI GTX 760(500USD Both)?
---------
Other question..
2)
My pc is the next:
- Intel i7 920 @2.66ghz
- 6gb ddr3
- asus p6t deluxe v2
- power supply corsair 850w
¿My hardware can be a bottle neck for a GTX 780 or a SLI GTX760?
Thanks!
I'd personally go with the 780, can't be bothered with two cards... and I'm a sucker for that sexy metal cooler and Geforce logo. But, if you want to save some cash, you don't lose a whole lot by going with the SLI setup.
However, your system may have an issue when you are running GPU solutions this fast. I'm using a 3570K at 4.5GHz, with a 780. If a drop my CPU clock back to stock the stock frequency, frame rate DROPS DEAD in quite a few games. The effect will be most notable in CPU intensive games, where your CPU usage will top out before the GPU has a chance to do any heavy lifting.
As for issues in 3d - some games have issues with SLI, some have issues with a single card. Though generally the people on the forum patch games so they don't have issues with either. So that's unlikely to be a real issue.
Non-sli is the one with issues. I've talked about this and you can see via my last like 8 posts on Helixmod site you will see I ran into a chain of games where I needed to fix non-sli. TBH, I know of no occasion where SLI has issues in 3D where non-sli doesn't. FarCry 3 is only time I know of and it was assigned wrong profile by nvidia.
It seems the 3D vision software was tested/favored for SLI. Though I wouldn't let that detract anyone from making a decision of cards. Its pretty rare.
SLI does seem to have a very strong performance benefit in 3D. You got to go with your gut tbh. Those 660'S will be much faster in 3D but upgrading from 660's SLI is pretty hard since you got to toss/sell it. 680 leaves room for upgrading.
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Your CPU isnt as fast as I'd like tbh but as far as bottlenecking I guess it depends on the game.
We can test however even prior to upgrading GPU. Start whatever games you plan to play when you get 3D [We are testing in 2D however]. Set to lowest resolution.
Download fraps. Turn off your vsync.
You want above 100 fps in actiony scenes at all times.
I recommend three games to be tested.
If its less you need to consider overclocking/upgrading.
I am fine at 3.4k clocked at 3.8k and never ran into a bottleneck.
Co-founder of helixmod.blog.com
If you like one of my helixmod patches and want to donate. Can send to me through paypal - eqzitara@yahoo.com
¿VRam is not important?
Vram of a SLI GTX760 is only 2GB, non 2GB+2GB ¿It's correct?... But Vram of GTX 780 is 3GB.
¿2gb of VRAM are enough for 3D Vision @1080P?
Thanks!
2G should be fine for 1080p gaming, but a little on the light side if you want to do supersampling (where it draws into a larger 'screen', then samples it down to 1080). To do that well, 3G would be better.
I think I would lean toward the 780. It's also a GK110 part, not GK104. The 760 is essentially the same as the 6xx series. The 780 also incorporates their new adaptive fan technology, which allows you to auto-overclock to specific temperature.
The only reason to do SLI at the same price point, is if we all thought that SLI was somehow superior in general for 3D gaming. That's a tough question. There is the non-SLI profiles that eqzitara has noted, and problems do tend to show up in non-SLI more than the other way around. Not sure that's enough to pull me out of the 3G + GK110 camp.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
More seriously, there are some things that only you can answer.
For example, are you planning to upgrade your monitor during the time you have the cards? (Could use more VRAM)
Maybe run Surround in the future? (Need more VRAM)
Are you price sensitive? (SLI tends to be better performance/$)
Is your motherboard already SLI ready, and not some borked 16x/4x setup? (SLI can run worse, sometimes)
Do you prefer to have upgrade options? (Buy single now, upgrade if needed)
Do you care about PhysX? (Have room for a third card)
What games are you targeting specifically? (Only Metro slows my older SLI GTX580)
Is noise a concern? (SLI is worse, especially compared with 780 fan control)
Do you ever play 2D? (Broken SLI profiles at game launches)
Not academic, I'm considering an upgrade myself and trying to decide what's the right balance. A friend just jumped his GTX480 SLI to a single Titan, and now I feel less manly with GTX580 SLI.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
If your going to "start up" with SLI. Id buy used imo, I know that sounds like a bad suggestion but at 3/5 cost its worth it for me personally.
Buying two brand new cards and using for SLI sounds harsh for a person on a budget because you got to keep dropping two cards.
Co-founder of helixmod.blog.com
If you like one of my helixmod patches and want to donate. Can send to me through paypal - eqzitara@yahoo.com
Thanks a lot.
Personally I'm planning on upgrading my 570SLI setup to a 780SLI setup when Evga cards that have single fans are available. (I'd rather have the sucking the air in or blowing the air out the back then the dual fan configuration which blows air around inside your case)
i7-2600K-4.5Ghz/Corsair H100i/8GB/GTX780SC-SLI/Win7-64/1200W-PSU/Samsung 840-500GB SSD/Coolermaster-Tower/Benq 1080ST @ 100"
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/physx/faq
A list of some PhysX games http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/physx/games
Edit: Planetside 2 shows a hefty performance hit if not using a dedicated PhysX card.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/planetside-2-tweak-guide#6
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/469402/sli/faq-quot-will-these-two-cards-work-in-sli-quot-sli-what-works-with-what-/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/532913/sli/geforce-sli-technology-an-introductory-guide/
As well as the FAQ
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/faq
Buying a 780 with the view of adding a second one in a year or two isn't a bad idea either.