nVidia about to announce VR (3D Vision?) enhancements for GTX 980 and 970
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This is really good news and dident I told you that im ABSOLUTELY sure that nVidia will be head over heels about VR, heh funny as thats where the money is same as they thought about 3D Vision that they themself let it die. Im glad about this but as others said, it's hard to belive in nVidia again when 3d is conserned, well money talks so lets see where it will bring us. Atleast they havent announcend their own VR headset to sell us and then dont give a shit about it! And VR as it seems are to big to fail, it will impress people from day one, mark my words and every damn gamedevelopers seems to praise VR so it will definetly be the next big thing thats for sure and I may say it will be/feel more natural than looking at a sceen with glasses. Now nVidia working day and night to blow VR as we know it out of the water with their light field technology, thats were they think they will get ALL OUR MONEY as they once again will go PROPRIATARY nVidia tech ;) But hey I dont complayning as for now I am head over heels about g-sync and that my friends are totaly AWESOME in every 2d Way :D So HELL YEAH, nVidia lets talk about Lightfield tech, that seems to be the perfect 3d VR done right in every way and then, shut up and take my money ..LOL!!
This is really good news and dident I told you that im ABSOLUTELY sure that nVidia will be head over heels about VR, heh funny as thats where the money is same as they thought about 3D Vision that they themself let it die.

Im glad about this but as others said, it's hard to belive in nVidia again when 3d is conserned, well money talks so lets see where it will bring us. Atleast they havent announcend their own VR headset to sell us and then dont give a shit about it!

And VR as it seems are to big to fail, it will impress people from day one, mark my words and every damn gamedevelopers seems to praise VR so it will definetly be the next big thing thats for sure and I may say it will be/feel more natural than looking at a sceen with glasses.

Now nVidia working day and night to blow VR as we know it out of the water with their light field technology, thats were they think they will get ALL OUR MONEY as they once again will go PROPRIATARY nVidia tech ;)

But hey I dont complayning as for now I am head over heels about g-sync and that my friends are totaly AWESOME in every 2d Way :D

So HELL YEAH, nVidia lets talk about Lightfield tech, that seems to be the perfect 3d VR done right in every way and then, shut up and take my money ..LOL!!

#16
Posted 09/19/2014 03:56 PM   
Hopefully this means that Nvidia has decided to work on REAL 3D again. Can you imagine how bad fake 3D will look on the Oculus? Fake 3D mode already looks pretty bad on my 24" monitors, and I shudder to think of how bad it will look in VR. That halo around most objects would ruin all immersion, and can you imagine someone trying VR with fake 3D game as their first experience? I hope Nvidia is working with devs again, and we see the benefits of real 3D for both the Oculus and 3D vision.
Hopefully this means that Nvidia has decided to work on REAL 3D again. Can you imagine how bad fake 3D will look on the Oculus? Fake 3D mode already looks pretty bad on my 24" monitors, and I shudder to think of how bad it will look in VR. That halo around most objects would ruin all immersion, and can you imagine someone trying VR with fake 3D game as their first experience?

I hope Nvidia is working with devs again, and we see the benefits of real 3D for both the Oculus and 3D vision.

#17
Posted 09/19/2014 05:43 PM   
[quote="Conan481"]Hopefully this means that Nvidia has decided to work on REAL 3D again. Can you imagine how bad fake 3D will look on the Oculus? Fake 3D mode already looks pretty bad on my 24" monitors, and I shudder to think of how bad it will look in VR. That halo around most objects would ruin all immersion, and can you imagine someone trying VR with fake 3D game as their first experience? I hope Nvidia is working with devs again, and we see the benefits of real 3D for both the Oculus and 3D vision.[/quote] Hopefully it has Douglas Lanman and John Carmack's fingerprints all over it and it was a collaboration on driver optimizations. The relevant twitter feeds are strangely silent. If it's a collaboration, I expect we'll hear about it during Oculus Connnect (happening tonight and tomorrow). I'm actually getting excited about the SLI. I've never done SLI for all the usual reasons, but in theory VR would be most efficient if you could just let each GPU stick to a single eye. This has the potential to be a massive gain for VR. Beyond what I was even hoping for on the driver levels.
Conan481 said:Hopefully this means that Nvidia has decided to work on REAL 3D again. Can you imagine how bad fake 3D will look on the Oculus? Fake 3D mode already looks pretty bad on my 24" monitors, and I shudder to think of how bad it will look in VR. That halo around most objects would ruin all immersion, and can you imagine someone trying VR with fake 3D game as their first experience?

I hope Nvidia is working with devs again, and we see the benefits of real 3D for both the Oculus and 3D vision.


Hopefully it has Douglas Lanman and John Carmack's fingerprints all over it and it was a collaboration on driver optimizations. The relevant twitter feeds are strangely silent. If it's a collaboration, I expect we'll hear about it during Oculus Connnect (happening tonight and tomorrow).

I'm actually getting excited about the SLI. I've never done SLI for all the usual reasons, but in theory VR would be most efficient if you could just let each GPU stick to a single eye. This has the potential to be a massive gain for VR. Beyond what I was even hoping for on the driver levels.

#18
Posted 09/19/2014 06:20 PM   
I bet you can't watch a 3D bluray on it!
I bet you can't watch a 3D bluray on it!

#19
Posted 09/19/2014 07:56 PM   
[quote="mike_ar69"] I can't believe the 970 is only $330. That's cheaper than the 770 4GB cards (whose price is now tumbling all of a sudden) while being on average 23% faster, far less power, quieter etc etc.[/quote] I'd assume that less cuda cores = less manufacturing costs and lower power consumption GTX 770 1536 cuda cores GTX 780 2304 cuda cores GTX 780Ti 2880 cuda cores GTX 970 1664 cuda cores GTX 980 2048 cuda core The performance gains, as well as additional power savings are from the new Maxwell GPU Architecture http://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/5-things-you-should-know-about-new-maxwell-gpu-architecture/
mike_ar69 said: I can't believe the 970 is only $330. That's cheaper than the 770 4GB cards (whose price is now tumbling all of a sudden) while being on average 23% faster, far less power, quieter etc etc.


I'd assume that less cuda cores = less manufacturing costs and lower power consumption

GTX 770 1536 cuda cores
GTX 780 2304 cuda cores
GTX 780Ti 2880 cuda cores
GTX 970 1664 cuda cores
GTX 980 2048 cuda core

The performance gains, as well as additional power savings are from the new Maxwell GPU Architecture

http://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/5-things-you-should-know-about-new-maxwell-gpu-architecture/

#20
Posted 09/19/2014 10:23 PM   
[quote="GibsonRed"]I bet you can't watch a 3D bluray on it![/quote]Yeah, these are really tempting new cards, but I can't justify being tied to the latest drivers. The latest drivers have slipped into the category of being actually terrible.
GibsonRed said:I bet you can't watch a 3D bluray on it!
Yeah, these are really tempting new cards, but I can't justify being tied to the latest drivers. The latest drivers have slipped into the category of being actually terrible.

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#21
Posted 09/19/2014 11:49 PM   
@D-Man11 I would have expected a bigger jump in cuda cores, when I upgraded from my GTX 550 ti to my GTX 670 I went from 192 CCs to 1344 CCs. @bo3b My thoughts exactly, I've been wanting to upgrade for awhile now and that GTX 980 is very tempting BUT unless NVIDIA does a complete 180 and gets their act together as far as 3D Vision Drivers and Options go I just can't bring myself to do it.
@D-Man11
I would have expected a bigger jump in cuda cores, when I upgraded from my GTX 550 ti to my GTX 670 I went from 192 CCs to 1344 CCs.

@bo3b
My thoughts exactly, I've been wanting to upgrade for awhile now and that GTX 980 is very tempting BUT unless NVIDIA does a complete 180 and gets their act together as far as 3D Vision Drivers and Options go I just can't bring myself to do it.
#22
Posted 09/20/2014 01:01 AM   
Yah the Cuda Cores and Transistor count usually go up on a newly released GPU series in comparison to their prior model versions. Hence, the release prices imo. Edit: [quote="bo3b"]Yeah, these are really tempting new cards, but I can't justify being tied to the latest drivers. The latest drivers have slipped into the category of being actually terrible.[/quote] I fully agree with Bob. You may be rolling the dice on stereoscopic gaming support. Too many fixes are being broken by Nvidia lately with subsequent driver releases and them borking profiles.
Yah the Cuda Cores and Transistor count usually go up on a newly released GPU series in comparison to their prior model versions.

Hence, the release prices imo.

Edit:

bo3b said:Yeah, these are really tempting new cards, but I can't justify being tied to the latest drivers. The latest drivers have slipped into the category of being actually terrible.


I fully agree with Bob.
You may be rolling the dice on stereoscopic gaming support.
Too many fixes are being broken by Nvidia lately with subsequent driver releases and them borking profiles.

#23
Posted 09/20/2014 02:11 AM   
The one thing I find surprising is that very little people are talking about is the difference between 970/980. Don't get me wrong the cards have strong performance for cost regardless of which you choose. Just that gap in terms of performance to $ is not there for the 980 over the 970. Not to mention ram. I was planning on getting a 980 but its kind of pointless especially at the moment till stronger OC versions come out but even then the stock 970 vs stock 980 price to performance is not worth getting a 980. With the manufacture OC on 970's the performance is actually pretty equal to 980 stock in terms of performance. I guess I am saying is for some reason there aren't stronger OC versions of 980's at launch.... wait a bit if you plan to get over a 970. --------------- Getting a new card is always a crap shoot with drivers for like first 4 months. I sold my card just before launch anyways cause my 600 series felt like it was on its last limb so I guess I will see just how fun it will be.
The one thing I find surprising is that very little people are talking about is the difference between 970/980. Don't get me wrong the cards have strong performance for cost regardless of which you choose. Just that gap in terms of performance to $ is not there for the 980 over the 970. Not to mention ram.


I was planning on getting a 980 but its kind of pointless especially at the moment till stronger OC versions come out but even then the stock 970 vs stock 980 price to performance is not worth getting a 980. With the manufacture OC on 970's the performance is actually pretty equal to 980 stock in terms of performance.

I guess I am saying is for some reason there aren't stronger OC versions of 980's at launch.... wait a bit if you plan to get over a 970.

---------------
Getting a new card is always a crap shoot with drivers for like first 4 months. I sold my card just before launch anyways cause my 600 series felt like it was on its last limb so I guess I will see just how fun it will be.

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#24
Posted 09/20/2014 02:18 AM   
[quote="mike_ar69"]@SteveK - if you are reading this, will this new "Auto Stereo" feature work with the current batch of helixmod/3DMigoto fixes, or will they break? Will it work with both DX9 and DX11, or just DX11? Will it work with 'full' 3D Vision or just Compatibility Mode?[/quote]From the programming perspective, I will be extremely surprised if there is any difference while using Oculus Rift. Essentially they've added a new 3D-mode to the output, like the ones already there, like Discover, 3D TV Play, CRT, 3D Vision. So, the pipeline up to that point should be identical, and then the output stage adds a warping shader and outputs to the proper device. If that model is correct, then there should be no impact on HelixMod fixes, nor 3Dmigoto fixes, as those happen earlier in the pipeline. Thus we should be able to play games on the Rift with our awesome fixes. The piece they've added is to make head-look also translate to mouse-look, but that also should not impact our fixes. That's going to blow my mind though, because I invert the mouse-look vertically, but when I use my head I don't. Hopefully there will be some sort of independence. The resolution is going to be terrible, so it might require waiting for the consumer version, but I still think it'd be fun to play Bioshock in the Rift with true-3D.
mike_ar69 said:@SteveK - if you are reading this, will this new "Auto Stereo" feature work with the current batch of helixmod/3DMigoto fixes, or will they break? Will it work with both DX9 and DX11, or just DX11? Will it work with 'full' 3D Vision or just Compatibility Mode?
From the programming perspective, I will be extremely surprised if there is any difference while using Oculus Rift.

Essentially they've added a new 3D-mode to the output, like the ones already there, like Discover, 3D TV Play, CRT, 3D Vision. So, the pipeline up to that point should be identical, and then the output stage adds a warping shader and outputs to the proper device.

If that model is correct, then there should be no impact on HelixMod fixes, nor 3Dmigoto fixes, as those happen earlier in the pipeline. Thus we should be able to play games on the Rift with our awesome fixes. The piece they've added is to make head-look also translate to mouse-look, but that also should not impact our fixes. That's going to blow my mind though, because I invert the mouse-look vertically, but when I use my head I don't. Hopefully there will be some sort of independence.

The resolution is going to be terrible, so it might require waiting for the consumer version, but I still think it'd be fun to play Bioshock in the Rift with true-3D.

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#25
Posted 09/20/2014 04:46 AM   
It might sound selfish or whatever but the games I constantly hear everyone wanting to play on Rift[Skyrim, Fallout, Mirrors edge, Bioshock Infinite, Bioshock 1, etc]. Are practically perfect on 3d vision with patches. Would be such a pity if these games got ignored. Also a small update... http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-vr-direct-oculus-optimized-18346717/ "We’ll see VR Direct launched with the GeForce Experience basic build in the very near future. Stay tuned to our NVIDIA tag portal for more - soon!" Though I guess we will see what "soon" means cause I remember ShadowPlay getting several delays.
It might sound selfish or whatever but the games I constantly hear everyone wanting to play on Rift[Skyrim, Fallout, Mirrors edge, Bioshock Infinite, Bioshock 1, etc]. Are practically perfect on 3d vision with patches. Would be such a pity if these games got ignored.

Also a small update...
http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-vr-direct-oculus-optimized-18346717/
"We’ll see VR Direct launched with the GeForce Experience basic build in the very near future. Stay tuned to our NVIDIA tag portal for more - soon!"
Though I guess we will see what "soon" means cause I remember ShadowPlay getting several delays.

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#26
Posted 09/20/2014 05:39 AM   
Personally I had hoped to get more mileage out of my SLI780's and think I'll wait for the release of the 980ti version. Then again, the eventual die shrink and/or process improvements (likely coming ~1yr afterwards) will surely give us the 1080? or 1080ti? Personally the "trump card" is the lack of full 1080P S3D (60Hz per eye) and affordable projectors (or big screen TV's) to view/play on.
Personally I had hoped to get more mileage out of my SLI780's and think I'll wait for the release of the 980ti version.

Then again, the eventual die shrink and/or process improvements (likely coming ~1yr afterwards) will surely give us the 1080? or 1080ti?

Personally the "trump card" is the lack of full 1080P S3D (60Hz per eye) and affordable projectors (or big screen TV's) to view/play on.

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#27
Posted 09/20/2014 02:51 PM   
The depressing thing about waiting for a die shrink is that "Pascal" has some really significant improvements coming. So we'll get die shinks in 2015 and new architecture in 2016. I hate that they had to go with the same die for a third cycle in a row. Can you imagine the performance per watt if they'd had a die shrink too?
The depressing thing about waiting for a die shrink is that "Pascal" has some really significant improvements coming. So we'll get die shinks in 2015 and new architecture in 2016. I hate that they had to go with the same die for a third cycle in a row. Can you imagine the performance per watt if they'd had a die shrink too?

#28
Posted 09/20/2014 03:36 PM   
[quote="bo3b"]From the programming perspective, I will be extremely surprised if there is any difference while using Oculus Rift.[/quote]One thing I would like to see change from the Programming, well more the Developing, perspective is just that 'Perspective' ... I understand that you can change perspective to a degree depending on your Depth/Convergence settings, so you seem bigger/smaller per se in-game but I've noticed AAA titles that they themselves just have a wacky sense of scale ... I'm hoping VR will force them to consider scale(and body-awareness) more so than they have been. Take Bioshock Infinite for example, I finally got a chance to fire it up and I was floored by how gorgeous that game was right up until the point that I met my friends the chair, the desk and the doorway and they made me realize I was about the size of a 5 or 6 yr old ... Lol. The only good [FPP] game I can think of scale-wise lately that I've played was Outlast ... gah! I really hate being helpless and not being able to fight in games ...
bo3b said:From the programming perspective, I will be extremely surprised if there is any difference while using Oculus Rift.
One thing I would like to see change from the Programming, well more the Developing, perspective is just that 'Perspective' ... I understand that you can change perspective to a degree depending on your Depth/Convergence settings, so you seem bigger/smaller per se in-game but I've noticed AAA titles that they themselves just have a wacky sense of scale ... I'm hoping VR will force them to consider scale(and body-awareness) more so than they have been.

Take Bioshock Infinite for example, I finally got a chance to fire it up and I was floored by how gorgeous that game was right up until the point that I met my friends the chair, the desk and the doorway and they made me realize I was about the size of a 5 or 6 yr old ... Lol.

The only good [FPP] game I can think of scale-wise lately that I've played was Outlast ... gah! I really hate being helpless and not being able to fight in games ...
#29
Posted 09/20/2014 04:08 PM   
[quote="bo3b"][quote="GibsonRed"]I bet you can't watch a 3D bluray on it![/quote]Yeah, these are really tempting new cards, but I can't justify being tied to the latest drivers. The latest drivers have slipped into the category of being actually terrible.[/quote] [quote="TsaebehT"]@bo3b My thoughts exactly, I've been wanting to upgrade for awhile now and that GTX 980 is very tempting BUT unless NVIDIA does a complete 180 and gets their act together as far as 3D Vision Drivers and Options go I just can't bring myself to do it.[/quote] [quote="D-Man11"] I fully agree with Bob. You may be rolling the dice on stereoscopic gaming support. Too many fixes are being broken by Nvidia lately with subsequent driver releases and them borking profiles.[/quote] I hope that Oculus don't use Nvidia. Not been able to watch a 3D bluray shows the commitment and testing they put into their 3D driver development and testing! The fake 3D, all the hardwork done by the 3D community being undone with driver updates, the terrible unintuitive control panel. Who wants that? Oculus want a seamless gaming experince, Nvidia couldn't make it harder to set up if they tried! IT took me 2 months to discover the convergence settings when I first got 3DTV Play! You get a depth indicator bar but not a convergence indicator bar! Who thought that was a good idea?!? All they had to do was hire helix and a few of his mates to fix the 3D games, a dude from apple to work on an intuitive GUI for the control panel and they would have had it cracked! What did they do? Just pretend that nothing is wrong, no updates, no communication then release a few slides saying they've got VR covered and everyone jumps! No chance! I am tempted by 2 970's to replace my 690 GTX but there is NO WAY I will ever buy another Nvidia card until they can at least fix these basic issues! The tech is so good, the implementation is so bad! i used to say AMD were like buses, red with bad drivers, but now Nvidia is going down the same route! At least oculus are talking about licensing their technology, Nvidia would just make it all proprietary and not support it in 6 months! Shame on you Nvidia! You had it all then gave it all away on the 23rd hour!
bo3b said:
GibsonRed said:I bet you can't watch a 3D bluray on it!
Yeah, these are really tempting new cards, but I can't justify being tied to the latest drivers. The latest drivers have slipped into the category of being actually terrible.


TsaebehT said:@bo3b
My thoughts exactly, I've been wanting to upgrade for awhile now and that GTX 980 is very tempting BUT unless NVIDIA does a complete 180 and gets their act together as far as 3D Vision Drivers and Options go I just can't bring myself to do it.


D-Man11 said:
I fully agree with Bob.
You may be rolling the dice on stereoscopic gaming support.
Too many fixes are being broken by Nvidia lately with subsequent driver releases and them borking profiles.


I hope that Oculus don't use Nvidia. Not been able to watch a 3D bluray shows the commitment and testing they put into their 3D driver development and testing!
The fake 3D, all the hardwork done by the 3D community being undone with driver updates, the terrible unintuitive control panel. Who wants that?
Oculus want a seamless gaming experince, Nvidia couldn't make it harder to set up if they tried! IT took me 2 months to discover the convergence settings when I first got 3DTV Play!
You get a depth indicator bar but not a convergence indicator bar! Who thought that was a good idea?!?
All they had to do was hire helix and a few of his mates to fix the 3D games, a dude from apple to work on an intuitive GUI for the control panel and they would have had it cracked!
What did they do? Just pretend that nothing is wrong, no updates, no communication then release a few slides saying they've got VR covered and everyone jumps! No chance!
I am tempted by 2 970's to replace my 690 GTX but there is NO WAY I will ever buy another Nvidia card until they can at least fix these basic issues!
The tech is so good, the implementation is so bad!
i used to say AMD were like buses, red with bad drivers, but now Nvidia is going down the same route!
At least oculus are talking about licensing their technology, Nvidia would just make it all proprietary and not support it in 6 months!
Shame on you Nvidia! You had it all then gave it all away on the 23rd hour!

#30
Posted 09/22/2014 11:19 PM   
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