Vesa (3D) Sync + 3DTV Options using 3D Vision Pro
Hi everyone,

I would really appreciate any help on this. What I have is a Quadro 6000 card (with a 3D Sync Out) attached to a 3D Vision Pro kit. I want to get a monitor that will be able to display things well, and want something above 24". I know there is the Acer HN274H, but production has ceased for it for some unknown reason. I need to implement this into an hospital operating room, DLPs are out of the question because of their weight and size. However, LCD/Plasma/LED TVs are alright.

I was looking into 3DTV options, and the I was able to find people mentioning one TV having the vesa sync input:
Samsung PS50B450
There seems to be a few people who have tried this and had it work.
but it has a low native resolution. I'm hoping for something that can do 1920x1080.
Are there any other 3DTV options, and is there any other experiences with this? Anything that is available now, since this needs to be done soon. Thanks,

Mike
Hi everyone,



I would really appreciate any help on this. What I have is a Quadro 6000 card (with a 3D Sync Out) attached to a 3D Vision Pro kit. I want to get a monitor that will be able to display things well, and want something above 24". I know there is the Acer HN274H, but production has ceased for it for some unknown reason. I need to implement this into an hospital operating room, DLPs are out of the question because of their weight and size. However, LCD/Plasma/LED TVs are alright.



I was looking into 3DTV options, and the I was able to find people mentioning one TV having the vesa sync input:

Samsung PS50B450

There seems to be a few people who have tried this and had it work.

but it has a low native resolution. I'm hoping for something that can do 1920x1080.

Are there any other 3DTV options, and is there any other experiences with this? Anything that is available now, since this needs to be done soon. Thanks,



Mike

#1
Posted 05/26/2011 08:33 PM   
nobody knows any other non-DLP TVs besides the Samsung PS50B450 that support 3D Sync?

[quote name='mike2079' date='26 May 2011 - 12:33 PM' timestamp='1306442008' post='1242770']
Hi everyone,

I would really appreciate any help on this. What I have is a Quadro 6000 card (with a 3D Sync Out) attached to a 3D Vision Pro kit. I want to get a monitor that will be able to display things well, and want something above 24". I know there is the Acer HN274H, but production has ceased for it for some unknown reason. I need to implement this into an hospital operating room, DLPs are out of the question because of their weight and size. However, LCD/Plasma/LED TVs are alright.

I was looking into 3DTV options, and the I was able to find people mentioning one TV having the vesa sync input:
Samsung PS50B450
There seems to be a few people who have tried this and had it work.
but it has a low native resolution. I'm hoping for something that can do 1920x1080.
Are there any other 3DTV options, and is there any other experiences with this? Anything that is available now, since this needs to be done soon. Thanks,

Mike
[/quote]
nobody knows any other non-DLP TVs besides the Samsung PS50B450 that support 3D Sync?



[quote name='mike2079' date='26 May 2011 - 12:33 PM' timestamp='1306442008' post='1242770']

Hi everyone,



I would really appreciate any help on this. What I have is a Quadro 6000 card (with a 3D Sync Out) attached to a 3D Vision Pro kit. I want to get a monitor that will be able to display things well, and want something above 24". I know there is the Acer HN274H, but production has ceased for it for some unknown reason. I need to implement this into an hospital operating room, DLPs are out of the question because of their weight and size. However, LCD/Plasma/LED TVs are alright.



I was looking into 3DTV options, and the I was able to find people mentioning one TV having the vesa sync input:

Samsung PS50B450

There seems to be a few people who have tried this and had it work.

but it has a low native resolution. I'm hoping for something that can do 1920x1080.

Are there any other 3DTV options, and is there any other experiences with this? Anything that is available now, since this needs to be done soon. Thanks,



Mike

#2
Posted 05/30/2011 10:23 PM   
[quote name='mike2079' date='30 May 2011 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1306794230' post='1244534']
nobody knows any other non-DLP TVs besides the Samsung PS50B450 that support 3D Sync?
[/quote]
I know nothing about 3D Vision pro. Why can't you use a 1920x1080 HDTV plasma/LED that uses the TVs built-in emitter and glasses?
[quote name='mike2079' date='30 May 2011 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1306794230' post='1244534']

nobody knows any other non-DLP TVs besides the Samsung PS50B450 that support 3D Sync?



I know nothing about 3D Vision pro. Why can't you use a 1920x1080 HDTV plasma/LED that uses the TVs built-in emitter and glasses?

#3
Posted 05/30/2011 11:33 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='30 May 2011 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1306798398' post='1244549']
I know nothing about 3D Vision pro. Why can't you use a 1920x1080 HDTV plasma/LED that uses the TVs built-in emitter and glasses?
[/quote]

Well, the 3D Vision Pro uses a RF signals vs. infrared to do the glasses communications, which ends up significantly reducing any mismatching of L/R channels from any system lag, and also does not require line-of-sight. On the USB wireless hub that connects to the glasses, there is standardized VESA-type 3D Sync input.

Given that a Nvidia Quadro card has a 3D Sync Output, it is suggested that the 3D vision pro hub 3D sync be connected to the Quadro card. This makes sense for 3D monitors, since the monitors should natively coordinate with the Quadro card to be in sync, and therefore all the 3D sync cord to the hub is doing is syncing the glasses to the Quadro card.

However, the DLP TVs (mitsubishi) also have 3D syncs. Presumably, you connect the input from the mitsubishi to the glasses to have the TV direct the synchronization of the glasses. Where does the Quadro 3D sync come in? Is it redundant, is it better to connet to the Quadro 3D sync or the TV 3D sync? I have no idea. if someone can clear this up, it would be of great help. If I had to guess, you send a checkerboard signal to the mitsubishi tv, and the TV should display the signal in its OWN time, and when it does decide to display it, it will send a 3D Sync signal out so therefore you connect the glasses to the TV so that it is synced to the TV, not the Quadro card, since the two may not be in sync.

LCD/LED/Plasmas, from what I understand, do NOT have the 3D Sync. EXCEPT for the Samsung PS50B450. and the PS42B450. and that is why I wonder if there are other LED/LCD/Plasmas, because it would be a great option rather than a 100lb and quite large TV.
[quote name='roller11' date='30 May 2011 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1306798398' post='1244549']

I know nothing about 3D Vision pro. Why can't you use a 1920x1080 HDTV plasma/LED that uses the TVs built-in emitter and glasses?





Well, the 3D Vision Pro uses a RF signals vs. infrared to do the glasses communications, which ends up significantly reducing any mismatching of L/R channels from any system lag, and also does not require line-of-sight. On the USB wireless hub that connects to the glasses, there is standardized VESA-type 3D Sync input.



Given that a Nvidia Quadro card has a 3D Sync Output, it is suggested that the 3D vision pro hub 3D sync be connected to the Quadro card. This makes sense for 3D monitors, since the monitors should natively coordinate with the Quadro card to be in sync, and therefore all the 3D sync cord to the hub is doing is syncing the glasses to the Quadro card.



However, the DLP TVs (mitsubishi) also have 3D syncs. Presumably, you connect the input from the mitsubishi to the glasses to have the TV direct the synchronization of the glasses. Where does the Quadro 3D sync come in? Is it redundant, is it better to connet to the Quadro 3D sync or the TV 3D sync? I have no idea. if someone can clear this up, it would be of great help. If I had to guess, you send a checkerboard signal to the mitsubishi tv, and the TV should display the signal in its OWN time, and when it does decide to display it, it will send a 3D Sync signal out so therefore you connect the glasses to the TV so that it is synced to the TV, not the Quadro card, since the two may not be in sync.



LCD/LED/Plasmas, from what I understand, do NOT have the 3D Sync. EXCEPT for the Samsung PS50B450. and the PS42B450. and that is why I wonder if there are other LED/LCD/Plasmas, because it would be a great option rather than a 100lb and quite large TV.

#4
Posted 06/01/2011 12:19 AM   
Why not just get a standard 3D vision kit and use it with any of the modern 3DTVs? You wouldn't need to use the 3D Sync out since the 2010/2011 3DTVs have built-in emitter, then use the TVs glasses? I get that RF is a better way to transmit sync, is that the only reason?
By using the sync out from the card, you are greatly limiting your choices. I used the PN50B450 for 3 months and it was horrible. Not just because it was low rez, either. It was like Samsung hadn't figured out how to do 3D yet.
If you get a 2011 Samsung LED D7000/D8000, you get the best of all worlds. You get 1920x1080 rez and Bluetooth sync which is RF. By all accounts, this TV in 1920x1080 gets great image quality.
Why not just get a standard 3D vision kit and use it with any of the modern 3DTVs? You wouldn't need to use the 3D Sync out since the 2010/2011 3DTVs have built-in emitter, then use the TVs glasses? I get that RF is a better way to transmit sync, is that the only reason?

By using the sync out from the card, you are greatly limiting your choices. I used the PN50B450 for 3 months and it was horrible. Not just because it was low rez, either. It was like Samsung hadn't figured out how to do 3D yet.

If you get a 2011 Samsung LED D7000/D8000, you get the best of all worlds. You get 1920x1080 rez and Bluetooth sync which is RF. By all accounts, this TV in 1920x1080 gets great image quality.

#5
Posted 06/01/2011 03:19 AM   
[quote name='roller11' date='31 May 2011 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1306898378' post='1245187']
Why not just get a standard 3D vision kit and use it with any of the modern 3DTVs? You wouldn't need to use the 3D Sync out since the 2010/2011 3DTVs have built-in emitter, then use the TVs glasses? I get that RF is a better way to transmit sync, is that the only reason?
By using the sync out from the card, you are greatly limiting your choices. I used the PN50B450 for 3 months and it was horrible. Not just because it was low rez, either. It was like Samsung hadn't figured out how to do 3D yet.
If you get a 2011 Samsung LED D7000/D8000, you get the best of all worlds. You get 1920x1080 rez and Bluetooth sync which is RF. By all accounts, this TV in 1920x1080 gets great image quality.
[/quote]

What are you using the Samsung LED D7000/D8000 for? The thing is I am working with streaming OpenGL applications, as this is actually going to be for medical imaging purposes in a hospital, and so all the 3D software is things I am going to have to program using the OpenGL framework. Therefore, its not like I am going to be using 3DTV Play or playing video games which I know will work out of the box. Because I need the ability to create my own applications in 3D, that is why I was thinking maybe the 3D Sync is necessary. Correct me if I am wrong on this account --- if I am, and all I have to do is connect a dual-dvi output from my Quadro card to a Samsung LED D7000 and have all my 3D applications work, then I'd jump on that:D

... it means having to return my 4 x 350$ apiece Nvidia Vision Pro glasses.

Mike
[quote name='roller11' date='31 May 2011 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1306898378' post='1245187']

Why not just get a standard 3D vision kit and use it with any of the modern 3DTVs? You wouldn't need to use the 3D Sync out since the 2010/2011 3DTVs have built-in emitter, then use the TVs glasses? I get that RF is a better way to transmit sync, is that the only reason?

By using the sync out from the card, you are greatly limiting your choices. I used the PN50B450 for 3 months and it was horrible. Not just because it was low rez, either. It was like Samsung hadn't figured out how to do 3D yet.

If you get a 2011 Samsung LED D7000/D8000, you get the best of all worlds. You get 1920x1080 rez and Bluetooth sync which is RF. By all accounts, this TV in 1920x1080 gets great image quality.





What are you using the Samsung LED D7000/D8000 for? The thing is I am working with streaming OpenGL applications, as this is actually going to be for medical imaging purposes in a hospital, and so all the 3D software is things I am going to have to program using the OpenGL framework. Therefore, its not like I am going to be using 3DTV Play or playing video games which I know will work out of the box. Because I need the ability to create my own applications in 3D, that is why I was thinking maybe the 3D Sync is necessary. Correct me if I am wrong on this account --- if I am, and all I have to do is connect a dual-dvi output from my Quadro card to a Samsung LED D7000 and have all my 3D applications work, then I'd jump on that:D



... it means having to return my 4 x 350$ apiece Nvidia Vision Pro glasses.



Mike

#6
Posted 06/01/2011 05:38 PM   
[quote name='mike2079' date='01 June 2011 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1306949930' post='1245556']
What are you using the Samsung LED D7000/D8000 for? The thing is I am working with streaming OpenGL applications, as this is actually going to be for medical imaging purposes in a hospital, and so all the 3D software is things I am going to have to program using the OpenGL framework. Therefore, its not like I am going to be using 3DTV Play or playing video games which I know will work out of the box. Because I need the ability to create my own applications in 3D, that is why I was thinking maybe the 3D Sync is necessary. Correct me if I am wrong on this account --- if I am, and all I have to do is connect a dual-dvi output from my Quadro card to a Samsung LED D7000 and have all my 3D applications work, then I'd jump on that:D

... it means having to return my 4 x 350$ apiece Nvidia Vision Pro glasses.

Mike
[/quote]
I always assumed you'd be using your TV only for non-games. I also assume that wherever a Samsung 50B450 works, a 55D7000 will work. The difference is the way sync is implemented. That's why I stipulated that I know nothing about Quadro cards or 3D Vision pro. If 3D Vision pro sync implementation is bound to the pro apps you need, then perhaps you need the Quadro sync out. But if these are seperate, if pro sends the sync to the TV just as does home, then I see no reason why you need the sync output on your vid card. In other words, run your 3D Vision pro apps as normal, leave the sync out port on your card unconnected, and use the Samsung glasses that work with all 2011 Samsung TVs. The sync will come from the D7000 unless somehow the Pro software 'strips out' the sync that is normally embedded in the video stream going to the TV.
[quote name='mike2079' date='01 June 2011 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1306949930' post='1245556']

What are you using the Samsung LED D7000/D8000 for? The thing is I am working with streaming OpenGL applications, as this is actually going to be for medical imaging purposes in a hospital, and so all the 3D software is things I am going to have to program using the OpenGL framework. Therefore, its not like I am going to be using 3DTV Play or playing video games which I know will work out of the box. Because I need the ability to create my own applications in 3D, that is why I was thinking maybe the 3D Sync is necessary. Correct me if I am wrong on this account --- if I am, and all I have to do is connect a dual-dvi output from my Quadro card to a Samsung LED D7000 and have all my 3D applications work, then I'd jump on that:D



... it means having to return my 4 x 350$ apiece Nvidia Vision Pro glasses.



Mike



I always assumed you'd be using your TV only for non-games. I also assume that wherever a Samsung 50B450 works, a 55D7000 will work. The difference is the way sync is implemented. That's why I stipulated that I know nothing about Quadro cards or 3D Vision pro. If 3D Vision pro sync implementation is bound to the pro apps you need, then perhaps you need the Quadro sync out. But if these are seperate, if pro sends the sync to the TV just as does home, then I see no reason why you need the sync output on your vid card. In other words, run your 3D Vision pro apps as normal, leave the sync out port on your card unconnected, and use the Samsung glasses that work with all 2011 Samsung TVs. The sync will come from the D7000 unless somehow the Pro software 'strips out' the sync that is normally embedded in the video stream going to the TV.

#7
Posted 06/01/2011 05:57 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='01 June 2011 - 09:57 AM' timestamp='1306951047' post='1245573']
I always assumed you'd be using your TV only for non-games. I also assume that wherever a Samsung 50B450 works, a 55D7000 will work. The difference is the way sync is implemented. That's why I stipulated that I know nothing about Quadro cards or 3D Vision pro. If 3D Vision pro sync implementation is bound to the pro apps you need, then perhaps you need the Quadro sync out. But if these are seperate, if pro sends the sync to the TV just as does home, then I see no reason why you need the sync output on your vid card. In other words, run your 3D Vision pro apps as normal, leave the sync out port on your card unconnected, and use the Samsung glasses that work with all 2011 Samsung TVs. The sync will come from the D7000 unless somehow the Pro software 'strips out' the sync that is normally embedded in the video stream going to the TV.
[/quote]

OK. I see what you mean. I guess this would be a good time for an Nvidia rep to chime in and tell us whether the Quadro's 3D Sync output is used for anything in this case.
[quote name='roller11' date='01 June 2011 - 09:57 AM' timestamp='1306951047' post='1245573']

I always assumed you'd be using your TV only for non-games. I also assume that wherever a Samsung 50B450 works, a 55D7000 will work. The difference is the way sync is implemented. That's why I stipulated that I know nothing about Quadro cards or 3D Vision pro. If 3D Vision pro sync implementation is bound to the pro apps you need, then perhaps you need the Quadro sync out. But if these are seperate, if pro sends the sync to the TV just as does home, then I see no reason why you need the sync output on your vid card. In other words, run your 3D Vision pro apps as normal, leave the sync out port on your card unconnected, and use the Samsung glasses that work with all 2011 Samsung TVs. The sync will come from the D7000 unless somehow the Pro software 'strips out' the sync that is normally embedded in the video stream going to the TV.





OK. I see what you mean. I guess this would be a good time for an Nvidia rep to chime in and tell us whether the Quadro's 3D Sync output is used for anything in this case.

#8
Posted 06/01/2011 06:41 PM   
[quote name='mike2079' date='01 June 2011 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1306953703' post='1245612']
OK. I see what you mean. I guess this would be a good time for an Nvidia rep to chime in and tell us whether the Quadro's 3D Sync output is used for anything in this case.
[/quote]
Don't give up until you get a definitive answer. In 3D games, the output of a 50B750 is so bad as to be almost unuseable. It would therefore be worth your while to see if there is any way a 55D7000 can be made to work. Most importantly, Nvidia reps report to marketing, not engineering, so they will not necessarily tell you the complete truth, it depends on the question you ask. There are horror stories regarding misinformation given by reps, so let us know what they say so we can analyze their statements based on what's best for the end user, not what's best for Nvidia.
[quote name='mike2079' date='01 June 2011 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1306953703' post='1245612']

OK. I see what you mean. I guess this would be a good time for an Nvidia rep to chime in and tell us whether the Quadro's 3D Sync output is used for anything in this case.



Don't give up until you get a definitive answer. In 3D games, the output of a 50B750 is so bad as to be almost unuseable. It would therefore be worth your while to see if there is any way a 55D7000 can be made to work. Most importantly, Nvidia reps report to marketing, not engineering, so they will not necessarily tell you the complete truth, it depends on the question you ask. There are horror stories regarding misinformation given by reps, so let us know what they say so we can analyze their statements based on what's best for the end user, not what's best for Nvidia.

#9
Posted 06/01/2011 07:58 PM   
For the best stereo experience, we would recommend you use the VESA sync coming out of the GPU.

The Samsung TVs referenced do not appear to take a VESA sync signal, so one of the problems that can occur in this case is that
the TV will get the left and right eyes swapped.

The Quadro 6000 can also drive the consumer 3D Vision kit, but you would lose the advantages of the 3D Vision Pro kit, namely:
- longer range
- no line of sight requirement
- bi-directional communication with the glasses to monitor battery level, etc.

For an operating room scenario, I would think those features would be desirable.
For the best stereo experience, we would recommend you use the VESA sync coming out of the GPU.



The Samsung TVs referenced do not appear to take a VESA sync signal, so one of the problems that can occur in this case is that

the TV will get the left and right eyes swapped.



The Quadro 6000 can also drive the consumer 3D Vision kit, but you would lose the advantages of the 3D Vision Pro kit, namely:

- longer range

- no line of sight requirement

- bi-directional communication with the glasses to monitor battery level, etc.



For an operating room scenario, I would think those features would be desirable.

#10
Posted 06/02/2011 12:18 AM   
[quote name='snash' date='01 June 2011 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1306973932' post='1245794']
For the best stereo experience, we would recommend you use the VESA sync coming out of the GPU.

The Samsung TVs referenced do not appear to take a VESA sync signal, so one of the problems that can occur in this case is that
the TV will get the left and right eyes swapped.[/quote]
I guess I don't understand the config. I thought the sync out of the card goes to the RF emitter, not to the TV. In fact, no HDTV I'm aware of has a sync input, only a sync out. Can you explain the connection diagram?

[quote]The Quadro 6000 can also drive the consumer 3D Vision kit, but you would lose the advantages of the 3D Vision Pro kit, namely:
- longer range
- no line of sight requirement
- bi-directional communication with the glasses to monitor battery level, etc.

For an operating room scenario, I would think those features would be desirable.
[/quote]
But the main question is: will 3D Vision pro limit your choice of HDTVs? For example, you connect the sync out signal from Quadro to the Nvidia RF emitter, and you send the HDMI video out to the TV. Will they stay in sync?
[quote name='snash' date='01 June 2011 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1306973932' post='1245794']

For the best stereo experience, we would recommend you use the VESA sync coming out of the GPU.



The Samsung TVs referenced do not appear to take a VESA sync signal, so one of the problems that can occur in this case is that

the TV will get the left and right eyes swapped.

I guess I don't understand the config. I thought the sync out of the card goes to the RF emitter, not to the TV. In fact, no HDTV I'm aware of has a sync input, only a sync out. Can you explain the connection diagram?



The Quadro 6000 can also drive the consumer 3D Vision kit, but you would lose the advantages of the 3D Vision Pro kit, namely:

- longer range

- no line of sight requirement

- bi-directional communication with the glasses to monitor battery level, etc.



For an operating room scenario, I would think those features would be desirable.



But the main question is: will 3D Vision pro limit your choice of HDTVs? For example, you connect the sync out signal from Quadro to the Nvidia RF emitter, and you send the HDMI video out to the TV. Will they stay in sync?

#11
Posted 06/02/2011 04:33 AM   
[quote name='roller11' date='01 June 2011 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1306989201' post='1245877']
I guess I don't understand the config. I thought the sync out of the card goes to the RF emitter, not to the TV. In fact, no HDTV I'm aware of has a sync input, only a sync out. Can you explain the connection diagram?
[/quote]

The sync out usually does go straight to the emitter, but for some projectors and DLPs, they take a VESA sync input, and then use that for the stereo sync signal.

[quote name='roller11' date='01 June 2011 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1306989201' post='1245877']
But the main question is: will 3D Vision pro limit your choice of HDTVs? For example, you connect the sync out signal from Quadro to the Nvidia RF emitter, and you send the HDMI video out to the TV. Will they stay in sync?
[/quote]

In this scenario, they would not be guaranteed to be in sync -- it would depend if there was any buffering or drift occurring within the TV. For example, some DLPs
with color wheels experience drift because the color wheels do not stay in sync.
[quote name='roller11' date='01 June 2011 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1306989201' post='1245877']

I guess I don't understand the config. I thought the sync out of the card goes to the RF emitter, not to the TV. In fact, no HDTV I'm aware of has a sync input, only a sync out. Can you explain the connection diagram?





The sync out usually does go straight to the emitter, but for some projectors and DLPs, they take a VESA sync input, and then use that for the stereo sync signal.



[quote name='roller11' date='01 June 2011 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1306989201' post='1245877']

But the main question is: will 3D Vision pro limit your choice of HDTVs? For example, you connect the sync out signal from Quadro to the Nvidia RF emitter, and you send the HDMI video out to the TV. Will they stay in sync?





In this scenario, they would not be guaranteed to be in sync -- it would depend if there was any buffering or drift occurring within the TV. For example, some DLPs

with color wheels experience drift because the color wheels do not stay in sync.

#12
Posted 06/02/2011 04:03 PM   
[quote name='snash' date='02 June 2011 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1307030580' post='1246130']
The sync out usually does go straight to the emitter, but for some projectors and DLPs, they take a VESA sync input,[/quote]
A VESA sync *INPUT*?? That makes no sense. All rear projector DLPs, like Mitsubishi, have only a sync Out, no sync in. The sync signal is recovered from the video stream and triggers the 3 pin VESA Sync out port which goes to the nvidia emitter along the VESA sync cable.

So for any 3D application other than 3D games, the quadro 6000 works like any other card on any LED/Plasma HDMI1.4 HDTV with 3D capability . It sends the video to the TV along the HDMI cable. The TV syncs the video and emits the sync signal from the TVs built-in emitter thus syncing the TVs glasses. The use of the sync out on the card and nvidia emitter/glasses is just an alternative way of viewing in 3D.

Mike,
I didn't pick up on the error in your your original post, re: sync input. All HDTVs with a sync port are sync out, not sync in including the 50B450. So forget 50B450, get the 55D7000 and use the TVs RF emitter and glasses. Of course the output will be 1920x1080/24. If you want 1920x1080/30 frame sequential, you'll need rollermod to give you all the 3D Vision choices.
[quote name='snash' date='02 June 2011 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1307030580' post='1246130']

The sync out usually does go straight to the emitter, but for some projectors and DLPs, they take a VESA sync input,

A VESA sync *INPUT*?? That makes no sense. All rear projector DLPs, like Mitsubishi, have only a sync Out, no sync in. The sync signal is recovered from the video stream and triggers the 3 pin VESA Sync out port which goes to the nvidia emitter along the VESA sync cable.



So for any 3D application other than 3D games, the quadro 6000 works like any other card on any LED/Plasma HDMI1.4 HDTV with 3D capability . It sends the video to the TV along the HDMI cable. The TV syncs the video and emits the sync signal from the TVs built-in emitter thus syncing the TVs glasses. The use of the sync out on the card and nvidia emitter/glasses is just an alternative way of viewing in 3D.



Mike,

I didn't pick up on the error in your your original post, re: sync input. All HDTVs with a sync port are sync out, not sync in including the 50B450. So forget 50B450, get the 55D7000 and use the TVs RF emitter and glasses. Of course the output will be 1920x1080/24. If you want 1920x1080/30 frame sequential, you'll need rollermod to give you all the 3D Vision choices.

#13
Posted 06/02/2011 05:51 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='02 June 2011 - 09:51 AM' timestamp='1307037102' post='1246183']
A VESA sync *INPUT*?? That makes no sense. All rear projector DLPs, like Mitsubishi, have only a sync Out, no sync in. The sync signal is recovered from the video stream and triggers the 3 pin VESA Sync out port which goes to the nvidia emitter along the VESA sync cable.

So for any 3D application other than 3D games, the quadro 6000 works like any other card on any LED/Plasma HDMI1.4 HDTV with 3D capability . It sends the video to the TV along the HDMI cable. The TV syncs the video and emits the sync signal from the TVs built-in emitter thus syncing the TVs glasses. The use of the sync out on the card and nvidia emitter/glasses is just an alternative way of viewing in 3D.

Mike,
I didn't pick up on the error in your your original post, re: sync input. All HDTVs with a sync port are sync out, not sync in including the 50B450. So forget 50B450, get the 55D7000 and use the TVs RF emitter and glasses. Of course the output will be 1920x1080/24. If you want 1920x1080/30 frame sequential, you'll need rollermod to give you all the 3D Vision choices.
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Well, in this case, this effectively means the 3D vision kit (Pro or even regular) is useless for flat-panel TVs? Given that the glasses are synced to the Quadro, but the Quadro output isn't necessarily in sync with the TV, then glasses aren't synced to TV. If I understand correctly, yhe only case they are useful is if you
1. have a 3D Sync out from your TV (to connect to the USB hub)
2. have a monitor instead of a TV (because it doesn't mess with the graphics card output, and displays frame sequential signals in real-time).

seems to me that the 3D Vision Kits are an increasingly lost cause for use with TVs...
[quote name='roller11' date='02 June 2011 - 09:51 AM' timestamp='1307037102' post='1246183']

A VESA sync *INPUT*?? That makes no sense. All rear projector DLPs, like Mitsubishi, have only a sync Out, no sync in. The sync signal is recovered from the video stream and triggers the 3 pin VESA Sync out port which goes to the nvidia emitter along the VESA sync cable.



So for any 3D application other than 3D games, the quadro 6000 works like any other card on any LED/Plasma HDMI1.4 HDTV with 3D capability . It sends the video to the TV along the HDMI cable. The TV syncs the video and emits the sync signal from the TVs built-in emitter thus syncing the TVs glasses. The use of the sync out on the card and nvidia emitter/glasses is just an alternative way of viewing in 3D.



Mike,

I didn't pick up on the error in your your original post, re: sync input. All HDTVs with a sync port are sync out, not sync in including the 50B450. So forget 50B450, get the 55D7000 and use the TVs RF emitter and glasses. Of course the output will be 1920x1080/24. If you want 1920x1080/30 frame sequential, you'll need rollermod to give you all the 3D Vision choices.





Well, in this case, this effectively means the 3D vision kit (Pro or even regular) is useless for flat-panel TVs? Given that the glasses are synced to the Quadro, but the Quadro output isn't necessarily in sync with the TV, then glasses aren't synced to TV. If I understand correctly, yhe only case they are useful is if you

1. have a 3D Sync out from your TV (to connect to the USB hub)

2. have a monitor instead of a TV (because it doesn't mess with the graphics card output, and displays frame sequential signals in real-time).



seems to me that the 3D Vision Kits are an increasingly lost cause for use with TVs...

#14
Posted 06/02/2011 07:02 PM   
[quote name='mike2079' date='02 June 2011 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1307041335' post='1246206']
Well, in this case, this effectively means the 3D vision kit (Pro or even regular) is useless for flat-panel TVs? Given that the glasses are synced to the Quadro, but the Quadro output isn't necessarily in sync with the TV, then glasses aren't synced to TV. If I understand correctly, yhe only case they are useful is if you
1. have a 3D Sync out from your TV (to connect to the USB hub)
2. have a monitor instead of a TV (because it doesn't mess with the graphics card output, and displays frame sequential signals in real-time).

seems to me that the 3D Vision Kits are an increasingly lost cause for use with TVs...
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Exactly right. They are useful only for computer monitors and projectors. They are also used as a "proof of purchase" to enable 3DTV Play/3D Vision software, but the emitter doesn't actually do anything. The good news is that if you get a 55D7000/D8000, you will have RF sync which is a big plus over IR. And you'll have 1920x1080 resolution.
[quote name='mike2079' date='02 June 2011 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1307041335' post='1246206']

Well, in this case, this effectively means the 3D vision kit (Pro or even regular) is useless for flat-panel TVs? Given that the glasses are synced to the Quadro, but the Quadro output isn't necessarily in sync with the TV, then glasses aren't synced to TV. If I understand correctly, yhe only case they are useful is if you

1. have a 3D Sync out from your TV (to connect to the USB hub)

2. have a monitor instead of a TV (because it doesn't mess with the graphics card output, and displays frame sequential signals in real-time).



seems to me that the 3D Vision Kits are an increasingly lost cause for use with TVs...



Exactly right. They are useful only for computer monitors and projectors. They are also used as a "proof of purchase" to enable 3DTV Play/3D Vision software, but the emitter doesn't actually do anything. The good news is that if you get a 55D7000/D8000, you will have RF sync which is a big plus over IR. And you'll have 1920x1080 resolution.

#15
Posted 06/02/2011 07:42 PM   
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