Future of 3D Vision Support (Official announcement from NVIDIA)
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xXxStarManxXx is the guy that trolled the Turing thread, saying anyone buying one was a cancer to gaming. He then proceeded to call posters fan boys, faggots, cunts and other pleasantries. I'm truly surprised that he was not banned Several times he claimed that he would never post here again, unfortunately, his word is shit.
xXxStarManxXx is the guy that trolled the Turing thread, saying anyone buying one was a cancer to gaming. He then proceeded to call posters fan boys, faggots, cunts and other pleasantries.

I'm truly surprised that he was not banned

Several times he claimed that he would never post here again, unfortunately, his word is shit.

Posted 03/16/2019 10:08 PM   
[quote="masterotaku"] Nope nope nope. I still have a really BIG backlog of both old and recent games that I need to play in 3D, or fix if they don't have a fix. I could spend a lot of years playing the games that I already have. 3D for traditional games is something that I'll never let go. Not ever in my lifetime if I can. 3D is love, 3D is life :p.[/quote] Definitely agree with this masterotaku, 3D is love, 3D is life :) I ditched 2D gaming 10 years ago and not a single 2D game since. I have tried playing for 5 mins in 2D and couldn't stand it and got eye strain. I'm happy with 30fps and all eye candy, but in 3D. Don't care about 240hz 2D gaming. 3D Vision will be relevant for a long time even with future game releases, as long as games have a DX11 mode and our hardware don't fail. If we upgrade to SLI and have back up, I think it's safe to say we can enjoy 3D for at least another 3+ years in full glory. Once DX11 is dead we could still come up with a wrapper or tool to fix newer APIs. Even when games become so demanding in future that our old hardware can't drive a single game in acceptable frames, I would still play my huge library of 3D favourite titles a second time, and I still have quite a backlog of great games that are fixed for 3D. But one thing is for sure absolutely. 2D is not an option. I do believe VR's future is very much relevant to us. I'm having a blast with Vive Pro and Wireless Adapter.
masterotaku said:
Nope nope nope. I still have a really BIG backlog of both old and recent games that I need to play in 3D, or fix if they don't have a fix. I could spend a lot of years playing the games that I already have.
3D for traditional games is something that I'll never let go. Not ever in my lifetime if I can. 3D is love, 3D is life :p.


Definitely agree with this masterotaku, 3D is love, 3D is life :) I ditched 2D gaming 10 years ago and not a single 2D game since. I have tried playing for 5 mins in 2D and couldn't stand it and got eye strain. I'm happy with 30fps and all eye candy, but in 3D. Don't care about 240hz 2D gaming.

3D Vision will be relevant for a long time even with future game releases, as long as games have a DX11 mode and our hardware don't fail. If we upgrade to SLI and have back up, I think it's safe to say we can enjoy 3D for at least another 3+ years in full glory.

Once DX11 is dead we could still come up with a wrapper or tool to fix newer APIs. Even when games become so demanding in future that our old hardware can't drive a single game in acceptable frames, I would still play my huge library of 3D favourite titles a second time, and I still have quite a backlog of great games that are fixed for 3D.

But one thing is for sure absolutely. 2D is not an option. I do believe VR's future is very much relevant to us. I'm having a blast with Vive Pro and Wireless Adapter.

Posted 03/16/2019 10:18 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]xXxStarManxXx is the guy that trolled the Turing thread, saying anyone buying one was a cancer to gaming. He then proceeded to call posters fan boys, faggots, cunts and other pleasantries. I'm truly surprised that he was not banned Several times he claimed that he would never post here again, unfortunately, his word is shit.[/quote] As one of the people on the receiving of his pleasantries I second this. I wasn't going to comment but it made me laugh that he complained of being banned from pcgamer forums I think it was? Clearly they have more proactive moderators than we do here.
D-Man11 said:xXxStarManxXx is the guy that trolled the Turing thread, saying anyone buying one was a cancer to gaming. He then proceeded to call posters fan boys, faggots, cunts and other pleasantries.

I'm truly surprised that he was not banned

Several times he claimed that he would never post here again, unfortunately, his word is shit.


As one of the people on the receiving of his pleasantries I second this. I wasn't going to comment but it made me laugh that he complained of being banned from pcgamer forums I think it was? Clearly they have more proactive moderators than we do here.

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Posted 03/16/2019 10:28 PM   
Likely due to the awesome people here, we don't require moderation; likely no moderators bothers with us and sometimes it can take a while to even get their attention. IIRC, the average age of a 3DV user is ~40, with a level of intelligence well above average, shown by the depth of their knowledge, their curiosity, maturity, the way they speak and treat others, and their technical understanding / willingness to learn... The average age of most other forum sections is most likely teens to 20s, with intelligence level about average, comparing to other forums and how people speak there... Not meaning to be /that/ guy, but perhaps most of the world is happy with cyclops vision simply because there is truth in the old adage: "Simple minds are easily amused..." ...oh look, a balloon!
Likely due to the awesome people here, we don't require moderation; likely no moderators bothers with us and sometimes it can take a while to even get their attention.

IIRC, the average age of a 3DV user is ~40, with a level of intelligence well above average, shown by the depth of their knowledge, their curiosity, maturity, the way they speak and treat others, and their technical understanding / willingness to learn...

The average age of most other forum sections is most likely teens to 20s, with intelligence level about average, comparing to other forums and how people speak there...

Not meaning to be /that/ guy, but perhaps most of the world is happy with cyclops vision simply because there is truth in the old adage:

"Simple minds are easily amused..."

...oh look, a balloon!

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Posted 03/16/2019 10:55 PM   
[quote="Zloth"]Sub 50fps?? When I get over 40fps, I start looking for more eye candy to turn on. ;)[/quote] +++ So true, I run dual gtx1080 oc'd and water-cooled.. 20-30fps at times, and perfectly fine with it. (thats in 3d vision so in reality im getting 40-60 fps) Most gfx settings at max in all games.. still fine with it.. Super awesome looking! When I start getting high framerates and have already maxed out my gfx settings, I turn on full v-sync. And turn on nvidia gfx enhancements in the Nvidida Control Panel: ->manage 3d settings -->program settings -->select game -->Anti-aliasing mode -->Enhance the application setting And --> Anti-aliasing setting -->8x (or even sli 16x) Among other settings.
Zloth said:Sub 50fps?? When I get over 40fps, I start looking for more eye candy to turn on. ;)


+++

So true, I run dual gtx1080 oc'd and water-cooled..

20-30fps at times, and perfectly fine with it. (thats in 3d vision so in reality im getting 40-60 fps)
Most gfx settings at max in all games.. still fine with it.. Super awesome looking!

When I start getting high framerates and have already maxed out my gfx settings, I turn on full v-sync.
And turn on nvidia gfx enhancements in the Nvidida Control Panel:
->manage 3d settings -->program settings -->select game -->Anti-aliasing mode -->Enhance the application setting
And --> Anti-aliasing setting -->8x (or even sli 16x)
Among other settings.

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Posted 03/16/2019 11:49 PM   
[quote="xXxStarManxXx"]I picked up an AW3418DW on sale about a year ago and honestly, about 75% of my games look better at fluid G-Sync 100-120 Hz vs 3D Vision at 2560x1440. [/quote] I can agree with you that games are more fluid at 120 Hz (as every single 3D gamer can attest to, all of us having monitors that are 120Hz capable) but I personally find 60 Hz to be plenty fluid. Frankly, being able to hit CTRL and T whenever I want to experience playing 120Hz confirms this everytime. :P Regarding games looking 'better'? As in better because of higher definition? I think 3D provides a significant boost in visual information, which I think leads to increased 'immersion'. And I reckon immersion blows away resolution... likewise, everytime. [quote="xXxStarManxXx"]I even kept my PG278Q on a monitor arm and still have games that admittedly do look better in 3D Vision (The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight) when they don't exhibit sub 50 FPS non G-Sync stutter...[/quote] S'cuse my ignorance with this: I have used G-Sync monitors many MANY times and have no idea what the difference is!! Is this stutter something that only happens with SLI? I have only used SLI once and I did notice stuttering. Now I game with single cards I have never seen it, regardless of FPS. Thanks
xXxStarManxXx said:I picked up an AW3418DW on sale about a year ago and honestly, about 75% of my games look better at fluid G-Sync 100-120 Hz vs 3D Vision at 2560x1440.


I can agree with you that games are more fluid at 120 Hz (as every single 3D gamer can attest to, all of us having monitors that are 120Hz capable) but I personally find 60 Hz to be plenty fluid. Frankly, being able to hit CTRL and T whenever I want to experience playing 120Hz confirms this everytime. :P

Regarding games looking 'better'? As in better because of higher definition? I think 3D provides a significant boost in visual information, which I think leads to increased 'immersion'. And I reckon immersion blows away resolution... likewise, everytime.


xXxStarManxXx said:I even kept my PG278Q on a monitor arm and still have games that admittedly do look better in 3D Vision (The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight) when they don't exhibit sub 50 FPS non G-Sync stutter...


S'cuse my ignorance with this:

I have used G-Sync monitors many MANY times and have no idea what the difference is!! Is this stutter something that only happens with SLI? I have only used SLI once and I did notice stuttering. Now I game with single cards I have never seen it, regardless of FPS.

Thanks

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Posted 03/17/2019 08:48 AM   
2020? This must be a joke, right? The already stopped the support in 2018 ofc. My 3D is not working at all since a windows update installed and there is still no solution. I also upgraded my graphics card and installed the drivers new with DDU.
2020? This must be a joke, right? The already stopped the support in 2018 ofc. My 3D is not working at all since a windows update installed and there is still no solution. I also upgraded my graphics card and installed the drivers new with DDU.

Posted 03/17/2019 11:16 AM   
[quote="distantreader"]that goya/nvidia thing is pretty drastic but funny. I think we should ask for nvidia 3d support for 5 more yrs not 1 yr. since in 5 yr VR and 3D may have breakthru for gaming techs. Ok, i'll settle for 3 more yrs of Nvidia official support for 3d vision. VR will be well in 2nd gen, Autostereo in 1st gen. Bo3b and DSS will have already rolled out replacement driver for both 3d and VR. That's it, Nvidia please support 3d drivers for 3 more yrs and we will ask costiq to remove the goya painting for you. :)[/quote] If NVidia would still continue support for 3D Vision or, at least give their child for adoption to people who really care, I promise I'll burn that Goya painting and replace it with something like this: [img]http://constantin.me.uk/Stereoscopy/phoenix%203d%20vision.jpg[/img] [color="gray"][size="S"]Phoenix Mythology In Greek mythology, a phoenix is a long-lived bird that cyclically regenerates or is otherwise born again. Associated with the Sun, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor. Wikipedia [/size][/color]
distantreader said:that goya/nvidia thing is pretty drastic but funny. I think we should ask for nvidia 3d support for 5 more yrs not 1 yr. since in 5 yr VR and 3D may have breakthru for gaming techs.

Ok, i'll settle for 3 more yrs of Nvidia official support for 3d vision. VR will be well in 2nd gen, Autostereo in 1st gen. Bo3b and DSS will have already rolled out replacement driver for both 3d and VR.

That's it, Nvidia please support 3d drivers for 3 more yrs and we will ask costiq to remove the goya painting for you. :)


If NVidia would still continue support for 3D Vision or, at least give their child for adoption to people who really care, I promise I'll burn that Goya painting and replace it with something like this:

Image

Phoenix
Mythology
In Greek mythology, a phoenix is a long-lived bird that cyclically regenerates or is otherwise born again. Associated with the Sun, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor. Wikipedia

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Posted 03/17/2019 11:53 AM   
Nice! Can you make that in a wallpaper size for 2K and 4K?
Nice! Can you make that in a wallpaper size for 2K and 4K?

Posted 03/17/2019 12:26 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]Nice! Can you make that in a wallpaper size for 2K and 4K?[/quote] Sorry, but I just adapted a picture I found on the internet. Credit for the original goes to [url]https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/519462138245805795/[/url]. Hope the author of the original doesn't mind his work was used for a good cause.
D-Man11 said:Nice! Can you make that in a wallpaper size for 2K and 4K?


Sorry, but I just adapted a picture I found on the internet. Credit for the original goes to https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/519462138245805795/. Hope the author of the original doesn't mind his work was used for a good cause.

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Posted 03/17/2019 12:59 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]Nice! Can you make that in a wallpaper size for 2K and 4K?[/quote] +1 :)
D-Man11 said:Nice! Can you make that in a wallpaper size for 2K and 4K?


+1 :)

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Posted 03/17/2019 01:01 PM   
I had to change the title of the topic on GeForce Drivers: [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1102231/geforce-drivers/nvidia-please-don-t-kill-3d-vision-/[/url] "R.I.P. NVidia 3D Vision :(" was too demoralizing.
I had to change the title of the topic on GeForce Drivers: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1102231/geforce-drivers/nvidia-please-don-t-kill-3d-vision-/
"R.I.P. NVidia 3D Vision :(" was too demoralizing.

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Posted 03/17/2019 01:17 PM   
+1 phoenix theme 3d vision. I've a feeling Nvidia is very fond of its 3D Vision and I'm really hopeful that it won't let us users disappointed. This one yr early warning maybe just the transition period before it hands over the code to opensource.
+1 phoenix theme 3d vision.

I've a feeling Nvidia is very fond of its 3D Vision and I'm really hopeful that it won't let us users disappointed. This one yr early warning maybe just the transition period before it hands over the code to opensource.

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Posted 03/17/2019 05:21 PM   
[quote="masterotaku"]xXxStarManxXx, I don't doubt that playing in 2D 21:9 must look good. But... it's still flat. For example, I played a DMC5 mission today in 2D (to avoid crashes) and I just couldn't fight correctly, like seeing where I was in the 3D space in the middle of all those effects and enemies. I passed the mission, but with less style than usual. [quote="xXxStarManxXx"]just move on.[/quote] [quote="xXxStarManxXx"]Just let it go man.[/quote] [quote="xXxStarManxXx"]Just move on dude.[/quote] Nope nope nope. I still have a really BIG backlog of both old and recent games that I need to play in 3D, or fix if they don't have a fix. I could spend a lot of years playing the games that I already have. 3D for traditional games is something that I'll never let go. Not ever in my lifetime if I can. 3D is love, 3D is life :p.[/quote] I wouldn't buy a 2080 Ti solely on principle. The logic of it, a hardware manufacturer that you have been a loyal customer of because of an exclusive feature officially drops support for said feature (after 3+ years of absolutely dismal support, i.e. the "3 Core bug" which would probably take a day or two of programming work to address) and you reward them by getting priced gouged with a $1200 before-taxes 80 card that is only marginally faster than a card from 2 years ago that can be had for half the price? If it were me I would respond in kind with an all AMD build and a Free-Sync UltraWide display. I would NOT reward them. You don't own both monitors, you have no idea how good 3440x1440 curved 120-1440 Hz G-Sync Freesync IPS (the colors and contrast on the AW3418DW make the PG278Q look like garbage, to say nothing of the anti-glare coating which is atrocious on the latter, and that's not even getting into the curved 21:9 and fluidity, or that movies look fantastic without black bars on this panel, that 99% of games have 21:9 support and look amazing, that no racing or FPS game looks better in 3D 16:9 @ 60 FPS vs 120 FPS 21:9). Trust me, I absolutely am a 3D Vision enthusiast, curved 21:9 is a fantastic consolation. It seriously trade blows with the best 3D Vision experience. Guess which monitor is my daily driver? I mean I could use the PG278Q, but I find that I am switching to the AW3418DW so frequently, coupled with the fact that web browsing and the vast majority of genres, and all movies look better on the AW3418DW. There is only one genre that look decidedly better on the PG278Q: 3rd person perspective shooter, action adventure games, i.e. Rise of the Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3, The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor etc. Everything else looks better at higher FPS on the AW3418DW. All racing games, all FPS, all 2D Metroidvania games, i.e. Ori and the Blind Forest, Bro-Force, The Swapper, all emulated games because of the CPU intensiveness of emulation, Zelda: BOTW, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze etc. All look and run better at 21:9 70-120 FPS G-Sync. And then there are the myriad titles that are so demanding that even if there was 3D Vision support, you would opt for 3440x1440 2D, i.e. No Man's Sky where I'm at 50 FPS on some planets with a 1080 Ti @ 3440x1440 which would be, I don't know, 20 FPS @ 2560x1440x2? Zelda BOTW 21:9 https://youtu.be/n0gxcsZviJQ No Man's Sky 21:9 https://youtu.be/VAMlkQaCg0o Forza Horizon 4 21:9 https://youtu.be/bM_huiFyOOY Super Mario 3D World 21:9 https://youtu.be/N7bcnqgR6mw Doom 2016 21:9 https://youtu.be/sZmz1_-aL48 Anno 2070 21:9 https://youtu.be/pZ2SBXZQ91M Ori and the Blind Forest 21:9 https://youtu.be/e0wYwjOZCqY Injustice 2 21:9 https://youtu.be/IdNemh-mYMQ Bro-Force 21:9 https://youtu.be/0pryQNd_4dk Super Mario Galaxy 21:9 https://youtu.be/9q3V6JXF7Xg Just to name a few. What you can't tell from the videos is the curvature, which is amazing. When I switch back to the PG278Q (when I feel the need to continue The Witcher 3's Blood and Wine, maybe once a month I get this craving) the screen appears to balloon out in the middle, and that's because I've grown accustomed to the curvature on the AW3418DW. Have you seen curved ultra-wide @ 120 FPS G-Sync? If you haven't I would say that you ought to see it in person, try a few games out, and then decide if you want to double down on getting ripped off by NGreedia. Whether you spend $1300 on a "2080 Ti" for 25% bump in performance over 1080 Ti or not eventually, either in the next 3 years or the next 5-10 years youre going to have to part ways with 3D Vision. I'm just suggesting doing it early, because you can experience content in other ways than 3D Vision with bad double-talk and ghosting, an atrocious anti-glare coating, poor viewing angles, inferior colors and contrast and garbage blacks on a flat 16:9 panel. The AW3418DW is on sale at the moment for $700 or so, which is a really good deal considering I got mine for around $900 with a military veteran discount on top of it already being on sale. But I'm not even recommending this one to be honest, even though I absolutely love my AW3418DW, LG just came out with a Free-sync panel that does 144 Hz over DP 1.4 for a little more: LG34GK950F https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/b1y3bf/144hz_ascension_34gk950f/ https://youtu.be/f7LJmaCHxC0 And there are actual HDR variants on the horizon, but they are going to be extremely expensive (around $2500): http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-asus-rog-swift-pg35vq-and-acer-predator-x35/ And there's also supposed to be a 3840x1600 144 Hz variant of the 34GK950F the 34GK950F-B out later this year that you may want to wait for: https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/b1xy60/please_help_me_decide_buy_the_aw3418dw_now_or/ To sum up as kindly as I can, from the perspective of a 3D Vision enthusiast, although 3D is still absolutely better than 2D in certain circumstances that follow: this all depends on the game type, how demanding the game is, how bad the artifacts are to contend with (double talk) the quality of the panel (the anti-glare film on the PG278Q and all of the aforementioned critiques I pointed out, from the perspective of a PG278Q owner). Any FPS or racing game, because the 3D effect isn't as pronounced and appreciable on distal objects as they are on proximal objects, fluid curved 21:9 is vastly better. And I'm not even going to get into the fact that crosshairs tend to not work correctly in an FPS rendered in 3D (or 3rd Person Shooter for that matter). Any racing game looks and feels better over 60 FPS. Being able to see further into the turn because of the horizontal viewing area of 21:9 is hugely advantageous. If you like an in the car perspective, 21:9 looks way better than 16:9: https://youtu.be/_yaaPcS8C6A Same for any shooter, where the increased viewing area, curved no less, and smooth frame-rate is hugely advantageous. Sure, the 3D effect in an FPS, mostly only noticeable on the weapon itself is really cool, but isn't worth sacrificing that additional viewing area, putting up with double-talk, being limited to 60 FPS non adaptive sync, having to use a cross hair overlay etc. Trying to tell someone who never experienced curved, adaptive sync ultrawide on an IPS how much better curved, fluid 21:9 gaming is vs. flat 16:9 3D Vision is like you trying to tell someone who never experienced 3D Vision is compared to 2D content on a traditional 16:9 60 Hz non adaptive sync TN panel is. Curved 21:9 on an IPS @ 120 Hz IS NOT flat 16:9 on a TN panel. But you do whatever you want with your money, go ahead and throw more money at the greed corporation that couldn't even support the sole feature that you continued to remain so devoted to their brand for, and sure, might as well knowingly get hosed by paying double the cost of what all 80 cards have costed up until now ($600) while youre at it. And then, in 3-5 years, maybe if you visit a friend who has an PG35VQ or LG 34GK950F-B and you see curved 3440x1440+ @ 120 Hz being pushed by a GPU 50% faster than the "2080 Ti" for $600 you may have a bit of remorse and maybe you'll remember back to that forum post on the Gefore 3D Vision board where that one guy, who can experience content on both medium's in question, told you that curved 21:9 IPS @ 120 Hz not only trades blows with 3D Vision on a crappy TN panel, but is actually better for 80% of the games that they've tried on both panels. Guess which game Destiny 2 looks and feels infinitely better on? Guess which panel I'm going to be playing Doom: Eternal on? I mean that last comment right there should be 3D Vision's epitaph. As the old saying goes: "You can lead a horse to water....
masterotaku said:xXxStarManxXx, I don't doubt that playing in 2D 21:9 must look good. But... it's still flat. For example, I played a DMC5 mission today in 2D (to avoid crashes) and I just couldn't fight correctly, like seeing where I was in the 3D space in the middle of all those effects and enemies. I passed the mission, but with less style than usual.

xXxStarManxXx said:just move on.

xXxStarManxXx said:Just let it go man.

xXxStarManxXx said:Just move on dude.


Nope nope nope. I still have a really BIG backlog of both old and recent games that I need to play in 3D, or fix if they don't have a fix. I could spend a lot of years playing the games that I already have.
3D for traditional games is something that I'll never let go. Not ever in my lifetime if I can. 3D is love, 3D is life :p.


I wouldn't buy a 2080 Ti solely on principle.

The logic of it, a hardware manufacturer that you have been a loyal customer of because of an exclusive feature officially drops support for said feature (after 3+ years of absolutely dismal support, i.e. the "3 Core bug" which would probably take a day or two of programming work to address) and you reward them by getting priced gouged with a $1200 before-taxes 80 card that is only marginally faster than a card from 2 years ago that can be had for half the price?

If it were me I would respond in kind with an all AMD build and a Free-Sync UltraWide display. I would NOT reward them.

You don't own both monitors, you have no idea how good 3440x1440 curved 120-1440 Hz G-Sync Freesync IPS (the colors and contrast on the AW3418DW make the PG278Q look like garbage, to say nothing of the anti-glare coating which is atrocious on the latter, and that's not even getting into the curved 21:9 and fluidity, or that movies look fantastic without black bars on this panel, that 99% of games have 21:9 support and look amazing, that no racing or FPS game looks better in 3D 16:9 @ 60 FPS vs 120 FPS 21:9).

Trust me, I absolutely am a 3D Vision enthusiast, curved 21:9 is a fantastic consolation. It seriously trade blows with the best 3D Vision experience. Guess which monitor is my daily driver? I mean I could use the PG278Q, but I find that I am switching to the AW3418DW so frequently, coupled with the fact that web browsing and the vast majority of genres, and all movies look better on the AW3418DW.

There is only one genre that look decidedly better on the PG278Q: 3rd person perspective shooter, action adventure games, i.e. Rise of the Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3, The Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor etc.

Everything else looks better at higher FPS on the AW3418DW. All racing games, all FPS, all 2D Metroidvania games, i.e. Ori and the Blind Forest, Bro-Force, The Swapper, all emulated games because of the CPU intensiveness of emulation, Zelda: BOTW, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze etc. All look and run better at 21:9 70-120 FPS G-Sync.

And then there are the myriad titles that are so demanding that even if there was 3D Vision support, you would opt for 3440x1440 2D, i.e. No Man's Sky where I'm at 50 FPS on some planets with a 1080 Ti @ 3440x1440 which would be, I don't know, 20 FPS @ 2560x1440x2?

Zelda BOTW 21:9 https://youtu.be/n0gxcsZviJQ

No Man's Sky 21:9 https://youtu.be/VAMlkQaCg0o

Forza Horizon 4 21:9 https://youtu.be/bM_huiFyOOY

Super Mario 3D World 21:9 https://youtu.be/N7bcnqgR6mw

Doom 2016 21:9 https://youtu.be/sZmz1_-aL48

Anno 2070 21:9 https://youtu.be/pZ2SBXZQ91M

Ori and the Blind Forest 21:9 https://youtu.be/e0wYwjOZCqY

Injustice 2 21:9 https://youtu.be/IdNemh-mYMQ

Bro-Force 21:9 https://youtu.be/0pryQNd_4dk

Super Mario Galaxy 21:9 https://youtu.be/9q3V6JXF7Xg

Just to name a few.

What you can't tell from the videos is the curvature, which is amazing. When I switch back to the PG278Q (when I feel the need to continue The Witcher 3's Blood and Wine, maybe once a month I get this craving) the screen appears to balloon out in the middle, and that's because I've grown accustomed to the curvature on the AW3418DW.

Have you seen curved ultra-wide @ 120 FPS G-Sync? If you haven't I would say that you ought to see it in person, try a few games out, and then decide if you want to double down on getting ripped off by NGreedia.

Whether you spend $1300 on a "2080 Ti" for 25% bump in performance over 1080 Ti or not eventually, either in the next 3 years or the next 5-10 years youre going to have to part ways with 3D Vision. I'm just suggesting doing it early, because you can experience content in other ways than 3D Vision with bad double-talk and ghosting, an atrocious anti-glare coating, poor viewing angles, inferior colors and contrast and garbage blacks on a flat 16:9 panel.

The AW3418DW is on sale at the moment for $700 or so, which is a really good deal considering I got mine for around $900 with a military veteran discount on top of it already being on sale. But I'm not even recommending this one to be honest, even though I absolutely love my AW3418DW, LG just came out with a Free-sync panel that does 144 Hz over DP 1.4 for a little more:

LG34GK950F https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/b1y3bf/144hz_ascension_34gk950f/

https://youtu.be/f7LJmaCHxC0

And there are actual HDR variants on the horizon, but they are going to be extremely expensive (around $2500):

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-asus-rog-swift-pg35vq-and-acer-predator-x35/

And there's also supposed to be a 3840x1600 144 Hz variant of the 34GK950F the 34GK950F-B out later this year that you may want to wait for: https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/b1xy60/please_help_me_decide_buy_the_aw3418dw_now_or/

To sum up as kindly as I can, from the perspective of a 3D Vision enthusiast, although 3D is still absolutely better than 2D in certain circumstances that follow: this all depends on the game type, how demanding the game is, how bad the artifacts are to contend with (double talk) the quality of the panel (the anti-glare film on the PG278Q and all of the aforementioned critiques I pointed out, from the perspective of a PG278Q owner).

Any FPS or racing game, because the 3D effect isn't as pronounced and appreciable on distal objects as they are on proximal objects, fluid curved 21:9 is vastly better. And I'm not even going to get into the fact that crosshairs tend to not work correctly in an FPS rendered in 3D (or 3rd Person Shooter for that matter). Any racing game looks and feels better over 60 FPS. Being able to see further into the turn because of the horizontal viewing area of 21:9 is hugely advantageous. If you like an in the car perspective, 21:9 looks way better than 16:9:

https://youtu.be/_yaaPcS8C6A

Same for any shooter, where the increased viewing area, curved no less, and smooth frame-rate is hugely advantageous. Sure, the 3D effect in an FPS, mostly only noticeable on the weapon itself is really cool, but isn't worth sacrificing that additional viewing area, putting up with double-talk, being limited to 60 FPS non adaptive sync, having to use a cross hair overlay etc.

Trying to tell someone who never experienced curved, adaptive sync ultrawide on an IPS how much better curved, fluid 21:9 gaming is vs. flat 16:9 3D Vision is like you trying to tell someone who never experienced 3D Vision is compared to 2D content on a traditional 16:9 60 Hz non adaptive sync TN panel is. Curved 21:9 on an IPS @ 120 Hz IS NOT flat 16:9 on a TN panel.

But you do whatever you want with your money, go ahead and throw more money at the greed corporation that couldn't even support the sole feature that you continued to remain so devoted to their brand for, and sure, might as well knowingly get hosed by paying double the cost of what all 80 cards have costed up until now ($600) while youre at it. And then, in 3-5 years, maybe if you visit a friend who has an PG35VQ or LG 34GK950F-B and you see curved 3440x1440+ @ 120 Hz being pushed by a GPU 50% faster than the "2080 Ti" for $600 you may have a bit of remorse and maybe you'll remember back to that forum post on the Gefore 3D Vision board where that one guy, who can experience content on both medium's in question, told you that curved 21:9 IPS @ 120 Hz not only trades blows with 3D Vision on a crappy TN panel, but is actually better for 80% of the games that they've tried on both panels.

Guess which game Destiny 2 looks and feels infinitely better on?

Guess which panel I'm going to be playing Doom: Eternal on?

I mean that last comment right there should be 3D Vision's epitaph.

As the old saying goes: "You can lead a horse to water....

i7 8700k @ 5.1 GHz w/ EK Monoblock | GTX 1080 Ti FE + Full Nickel EK Block | EK SE 420 + EK PE 360 | 16GB G-Skill Trident Z @ 3200 MHz | Samsung 850 Evo | Corsair RM1000x | Asus ROG Swift PG278Q + Alienware AW3418DW | Win10 Pro 1703

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14520125/fs/11807761#

Posted 03/17/2019 11:32 PM   
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i7 8700k @ 5.1 GHz w/ EK Monoblock | GTX 1080 Ti FE + Full Nickel EK Block | EK SE 420 + EK PE 360 | 16GB G-Skill Trident Z @ 3200 MHz | Samsung 850 Evo | Corsair RM1000x | Asus ROG Swift PG278Q + Alienware AW3418DW | Win10 Pro 1703

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14520125/fs/11807761#

Posted 03/17/2019 11:33 PM   
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