[quote="bo3b"]given the absolute disdain that both Ubisoft and WB have for PC Gaming, I have no problem whatsoever doing a try-before-you-buy. They've treated PC gamers badly, too many times to be trusted.[/quote]
I agree, but Steam (and Origin) refunds largely solve this problem. There's not really any need for piracy when you can spend 2 hours testing.
That being said, I don't have any objection to our fixers pirating games. They're adding value to the product, possibly leading to more sales. Also, I believe there's been a couple occasions when stripping the DRM has lead to insight on how to solve crashes.
bo3b said:given the absolute disdain that both Ubisoft and WB have for PC Gaming, I have no problem whatsoever doing a try-before-you-buy. They've treated PC gamers badly, too many times to be trusted.
I agree, but Steam (and Origin) refunds largely solve this problem. There's not really any need for piracy when you can spend 2 hours testing.
That being said, I don't have any objection to our fixers pirating games. They're adding value to the product, possibly leading to more sales. Also, I believe there's been a couple occasions when stripping the DRM has lead to insight on how to solve crashes.
[quote="Pirateguybrush"][quote="bo3b"]given the absolute disdain that both Ubisoft and WB have for PC Gaming, I have no problem whatsoever doing a try-before-you-buy. They've treated PC gamers badly, too many times to be trusted.[/quote]I agree, but Steam (and Origin) refunds largely solve this problem. There's not really any need for piracy when you can spend 2 hours testing.
That being said, I don't have any objection to our fixers pirating games. They're adding value to the product, possibly leading to more sales. Also, I believe there's been a couple occasions when stripping the DRM has lead to insight on how to solve crashes.[/quote]
I agree with you, the Steam refunds in particular are a real game-changer. Literally.
Previously the game developers and publishers could do literally anything they wanted, treat their customers as shabbily as they pleased, because of that infernal no-refunds at all stores, and all cases. Replacement only if the seal was broken. That gave them carte-blanche to do the most egregious things possible, and as a consumer, you had to just suck it up or not play.
The big difference here is that refunds carry a message that pirating games does not. If you buy and refund, that's not ambiguous and cannot be hand-waved off as a 'lost' sale due to amorphous ideas of piracy. It's a hard fact that cannot be waffled. Assuming they pass along the notes that people add as well, it's direct feedback to the developer.
So... if you want to improve games and get these stupid ass publishers to stop treating us like dirt, refunds are the way to go.
On Black Ops 3, I've bought the game under the assumption that I will refund it anyway. For games that I want to play eventually I have no problem buying them, I'm just not paying $60 for a game I'm just going to use to fix bugs. Usually I just play as Edward Kenway for these, but if I can get the real deal simpler and faster, that's better. If I play/debug offline, I think the 2 hour timer does not apply, but we'll see.
bo3b said:given the absolute disdain that both Ubisoft and WB have for PC Gaming, I have no problem whatsoever doing a try-before-you-buy. They've treated PC gamers badly, too many times to be trusted.
I agree, but Steam (and Origin) refunds largely solve this problem. There's not really any need for piracy when you can spend 2 hours testing.
That being said, I don't have any objection to our fixers pirating games. They're adding value to the product, possibly leading to more sales. Also, I believe there's been a couple occasions when stripping the DRM has lead to insight on how to solve crashes.
I agree with you, the Steam refunds in particular are a real game-changer. Literally.
Previously the game developers and publishers could do literally anything they wanted, treat their customers as shabbily as they pleased, because of that infernal no-refunds at all stores, and all cases. Replacement only if the seal was broken. That gave them carte-blanche to do the most egregious things possible, and as a consumer, you had to just suck it up or not play.
The big difference here is that refunds carry a message that pirating games does not. If you buy and refund, that's not ambiguous and cannot be hand-waved off as a 'lost' sale due to amorphous ideas of piracy. It's a hard fact that cannot be waffled. Assuming they pass along the notes that people add as well, it's direct feedback to the developer.
So... if you want to improve games and get these stupid ass publishers to stop treating us like dirt, refunds are the way to go.
On Black Ops 3, I've bought the game under the assumption that I will refund it anyway. For games that I want to play eventually I have no problem buying them, I'm just not paying $60 for a game I'm just going to use to fix bugs. Usually I just play as Edward Kenway for these, but if I can get the real deal simpler and faster, that's better. If I play/debug offline, I think the 2 hour timer does not apply, but we'll see.
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In my option it seems the customers are now the QA department for these companies. Regarding Steam refund policy I currently have 761 games in my library and I have been turn down for refund with an e-mail from steam stating this is not a try before buy policy.
In my option it seems the customers are now the QA department for these companies. Regarding Steam refund policy I currently have 761 games in my library and I have been turn down for refund with an e-mail from steam stating this is not a try before buy policy.
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[quote="zig11727"]In my option it seems the customers are now the QA department for these companies. Regarding Steam refund policy I currently have 761 games in my library and I have been turn down for refund with an e-mail from steam stating this is not a try before buy policy.
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Same:) one the only game I tried to refund since I bought it by accident:)) (At least it was cheap.. Can't even remember the name of it unless I look in the list).
In any case... For some of the games I like try before purchase, even If I torrent it before, since DEMOS are a thing of the PAST (wonder why...)...
I also END UP buying all the games that I find WORTH after trying them;) I don't play pirated games;)
zig11727 said:In my option it seems the customers are now the QA department for these companies. Regarding Steam refund policy I currently have 761 games in my library and I have been turn down for refund with an e-mail from steam stating this is not a try before buy policy.
Same:) one the only game I tried to refund since I bought it by accident:)) (At least it was cheap.. Can't even remember the name of it unless I look in the list).
In any case... For some of the games I like try before purchase, even If I torrent it before, since DEMOS are a thing of the PAST (wonder why...)...
I also END UP buying all the games that I find WORTH after trying them;) I don't play pirated games;)
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@bo3b - I'd be interested to know how you go with the playing offline thing, could you report back?
@zig & helifax - What reason did you state for the refund? Or have you been doing a lot of them? I've refunded a couple games (not many), and they've all been allowed.
@bo3b - I'd be interested to know how you go with the playing offline thing, could you report back?
@zig & helifax - What reason did you state for the refund? Or have you been doing a lot of them? I've refunded a couple games (not many), and they've all been allowed.
In my case I purchased ten games during a sale and I try to refund 2 games and was refused for the above reason.
The reason I stated was the game didn't work with my hardware which was not true.
Again it really should not matter a refund policy is a refund policy if you purchased the game and don't like it you should be entitled to a refund regardless.
This is just my experience yours could be different but for me no more Steam games at full price regardless of the refund policy.
In my case I purchased ten games during a sale and I try to refund 2 games and was refused for the above reason.
The reason I stated was the game didn't work with my hardware which was not true.
Again it really should not matter a refund policy is a refund policy if you purchased the game and don't like it you should be entitled to a refund regardless.
This is just my experience yours could be different but for me no more Steam games at full price regardless of the refund policy.
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Everyone should buy games that don't support 3D then get refunds and state no 3D Vision support as the reason.
The same would apply for SLI too.
Maybe this would get the message across to game developers.
Everyone should buy games that don't support 3D then get refunds and state no 3D Vision support as the reason.
The same would apply for SLI too.
Maybe this would get the message across to game developers.
@zig - Did you purchase two games in one transaction, then try to refund only one of them? For some reason, that's not possible.
I agree though, they shouldn't be so selective about refunds.
@Gibson - I like that idea, but if Valve think you're abusing the refund policy they'll stop letting you refund games. So probably not something we should do.
@zig - Did you purchase two games in one transaction, then try to refund only one of them? For some reason, that's not possible.
I agree though, they shouldn't be so selective about refunds.
@Gibson - I like that idea, but if Valve think you're abusing the refund policy they'll stop letting you refund games. So probably not something we should do.
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]@zig - Did you purchase two games in one transaction, then try to refund only one of them? For some reason, that's not possible.
I agree though, they shouldn't be so selective about refunds.
@Gibson - I like that idea, but if Valve think you're abusing the refund policy they'll stop letting you refund games. So probably not something we should do.[/quote]
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@Gibson
Great idea but I would have only a hand full of games then.
Pirateguybrush said:@zig - Did you purchase two games in one transaction, then try to refund only one of them? For some reason, that's not possible.
I agree though, they shouldn't be so selective about refunds.
@Gibson - I like that idea, but if Valve think you're abusing the refund policy they'll stop letting you refund games. So probably not something we should do.
No one at a time.
@Gibson
Great idea but I would have only a hand full of games then.
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Buy it from steam, refund it with above said reasons and then buy it £15 cheaper from cdkeys and the likes and get your game that way.
They shouldn't be able to stop refunds as it was passed as law on October 1st. In the UK anyway.
Buy it from steam, refund it with above said reasons and then buy it £15 cheaper from cdkeys and the likes and get your game that way.
They shouldn't be able to stop refunds as it was passed as law on October 1st. In the UK anyway.
[quote="GibsonRed"]Buy it from steam, refund it with above said reasons and then buy it £15 cheaper from cdkeys and the likes and get your game that way.
They shouldn't be able to stop refunds as it was passed as law on October 1st. In the UK anyway.[/quote]
What is this law exactly?? Genuinely interested in this;)
I think the reason was for buying by mistake or across the line (it was the only game I ever tried to refund anyway:)) Didn't really pay much attention for 10£ anyway :)) ).
GibsonRed said:Buy it from steam, refund it with above said reasons and then buy it £15 cheaper from cdkeys and the likes and get your game that way.
They shouldn't be able to stop refunds as it was passed as law on October 1st. In the UK anyway.
What is this law exactly?? Genuinely interested in this;)
I think the reason was for buying by mistake or across the line (it was the only game I ever tried to refund anyway:)) Didn't really pay much attention for 10£ anyway :)) ).
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Guys i just got my AC Syndicate and i tried to record it by Shadowplay and its not working on it any ideas how to fix this problem please help guys ASAP thank you :)
Guys i just got my AC Syndicate and i tried to record it by Shadowplay and its not working on it any ideas how to fix this problem please help guys ASAP thank you :)
Too early to say for sure, but it's not likely. Performance in 3d is pretty bad once you get into the open world, even on my SLI 970 rig. I'm getting an average of about 20fps. It's also got geometry flickering all over the place, which I don't imagine is a good sign. 3dmigoto works, so I'm going to try and disable shaders to see how many are broken. But unless I find a particularly performance-draining shader that magically fixes the framerate once it's disabled (and it's not a vital effect), I'd say that even if it can be made to look good, it won't be playable on current generation hardware.
Too early to say for sure, but it's not likely. Performance in 3d is pretty bad once you get into the open world, even on my SLI 970 rig. I'm getting an average of about 20fps. It's also got geometry flickering all over the place, which I don't imagine is a good sign. 3dmigoto works, so I'm going to try and disable shaders to see how many are broken. But unless I find a particularly performance-draining shader that magically fixes the framerate once it's disabled (and it's not a vital effect), I'd say that even if it can be made to look good, it won't be playable on current generation hardware.
I agree, but Steam (and Origin) refunds largely solve this problem. There's not really any need for piracy when you can spend 2 hours testing.
That being said, I don't have any objection to our fixers pirating games. They're adding value to the product, possibly leading to more sales. Also, I believe there's been a couple occasions when stripping the DRM has lead to insight on how to solve crashes.
I agree with you, the Steam refunds in particular are a real game-changer. Literally.
Previously the game developers and publishers could do literally anything they wanted, treat their customers as shabbily as they pleased, because of that infernal no-refunds at all stores, and all cases. Replacement only if the seal was broken. That gave them carte-blanche to do the most egregious things possible, and as a consumer, you had to just suck it up or not play.
The big difference here is that refunds carry a message that pirating games does not. If you buy and refund, that's not ambiguous and cannot be hand-waved off as a 'lost' sale due to amorphous ideas of piracy. It's a hard fact that cannot be waffled. Assuming they pass along the notes that people add as well, it's direct feedback to the developer.
So... if you want to improve games and get these stupid ass publishers to stop treating us like dirt, refunds are the way to go.
On Black Ops 3, I've bought the game under the assumption that I will refund it anyway. For games that I want to play eventually I have no problem buying them, I'm just not paying $60 for a game I'm just going to use to fix bugs. Usually I just play as Edward Kenway for these, but if I can get the real deal simpler and faster, that's better. If I play/debug offline, I think the 2 hour timer does not apply, but we'll see.
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Same:) one the only game I tried to refund since I bought it by accident:)) (At least it was cheap.. Can't even remember the name of it unless I look in the list).
In any case... For some of the games I like try before purchase, even If I torrent it before, since DEMOS are a thing of the PAST (wonder why...)...
I also END UP buying all the games that I find WORTH after trying them;) I don't play pirated games;)
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Lots of Disks:
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- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
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Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
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@zig & helifax - What reason did you state for the refund? Or have you been doing a lot of them? I've refunded a couple games (not many), and they've all been allowed.
The reason I stated was the game didn't work with my hardware which was not true.
Again it really should not matter a refund policy is a refund policy if you purchased the game and don't like it you should be entitled to a refund regardless.
This is just my experience yours could be different but for me no more Steam games at full price regardless of the refund policy.
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The same would apply for SLI too.
Maybe this would get the message across to game developers.
I agree though, they shouldn't be so selective about refunds.
@Gibson - I like that idea, but if Valve think you're abusing the refund policy they'll stop letting you refund games. So probably not something we should do.
No one at a time.
@Gibson
Great idea but I would have only a hand full of games then.
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They shouldn't be able to stop refunds as it was passed as law on October 1st. In the UK anyway.
What is this law exactly?? Genuinely interested in this;)
I think the reason was for buying by mistake or across the line (it was the only game I ever tried to refund anyway:)) Didn't really pay much attention for 10£ anyway :)) ).
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com
(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)
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