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Projector Central has posted quite a few reviews of some of the new 4K projectors in the last few weeks. A good place to start looking for some decent information. http://www.projectorcentral.com/ Keep in mind, the 0.47 chip addresses 4 pixels per micro mirror. So these are native 1080P mirror arrays (no available datasheet atm) http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/enlightened/archive/2017/12/05/seeing-more-with-4k-uhd-display The DLP470TE and DLP470TP 4K UHD chipsets display four pixels on the screen per micromirror, enabling the smallest 4K UHD digital micromirror device (DMD) that DLP technology has to offer. http://www.ti.com/dlp-chip/display-and-projection/4k-ultra-high-definition-display.html?keyMatch=DLP470TE&tisearch=Search--Everything The DLP660TE has a mirror array of 2716 x 1528, so this will offer interlaced/wobulated/whatevertheywanttiocallit 4K images. It will use sub frames to complete a single image frame. EDIT: "No 3D. To the dismay of 3D fans, many of the new lower priced 4K projectors lack 3D capability, and this is one of them. If you are budgeting below $2000, your 3D + 4K options at the moment are the BenQ HT2550 at $1499 and the Epson Home Cinema 4000 at $1799. Those are two radically different home theater projectors, each with their own set of advantages. "
Projector Central has posted quite a few reviews of some of the new 4K projectors in the last few weeks. A good place to start looking for some decent information.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/

Keep in mind, the 0.47 chip addresses 4 pixels per micro mirror. So these are native 1080P mirror arrays (no available datasheet atm)

http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/enlightened/archive/2017/12/05/seeing-more-with-4k-uhd-display

The DLP470TE and DLP470TP 4K UHD chipsets display four pixels on the screen per micromirror, enabling the smallest 4K UHD digital micromirror device (DMD) that DLP technology has to offer.


http://www.ti.com/dlp-chip/display-and-projection/4k-ultra-high-definition-display.html?keyMatch=DLP470TE&tisearch=Search--Everything


The DLP660TE has a mirror array of 2716 x 1528, so this will offer interlaced/wobulated/whatevertheywanttiocallit 4K images. It will use sub frames to complete a single image frame.

EDIT:

"No 3D. To the dismay of 3D fans, many of the new lower priced 4K projectors lack 3D capability, and this is one of them. If you are budgeting below $2000, your 3D + 4K options at the moment are the BenQ HT2550 at $1499 and the Epson Home Cinema 4000 at $1799. Those are two radically different home theater projectors, each with their own set of advantages. "

#1
Posted 03/20/2018 01:38 AM   
Hmm, seems they are calling it TRP (Tip & Roll Pixel), at least for the 0.67, I'm not sure about the 0.47 This was introduced in 2013 for mobile devices with the 0.2 chipset http://newscenter.ti.com/2013-09-05-Texas-Instruments-DLP-Debuts-New-DLP-Pico-Chipset-Optimized-for-Ultra-Compact-Mobile-and-Wearable-Devices https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPM0pFkQyWY
Hmm, seems they are calling it TRP (Tip & Roll Pixel), at least for the 0.67, I'm not sure about the 0.47

This was introduced in 2013 for mobile devices with the 0.2 chipset


http://newscenter.ti.com/2013-09-05-Texas-Instruments-DLP-Debuts-New-DLP-Pico-Chipset-Optimized-for-Ultra-Compact-Mobile-and-Wearable-Devices


#2
Posted 03/20/2018 01:03 PM   
if they would only get rid of that friking color wheel. D-man11 is this chip (0.2) yet in any mobile/compact units ?
if they would only get rid of that friking color wheel.

D-man11 is this chip (0.2) yet in any mobile/compact units ?

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#3
Posted 03/20/2018 03:57 PM   
The 0.2 chip is used in quite a bit of stuff, it's those micro projectors that you see Like this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236802 LED projectors, do not have a color wheel. There are numerous models on the market. The color spectrum isn't the best on the majority of them, but they are fantastic for gaming. I have 2 using the DMD 0.45 chip with diagonal/diamond mirror arrays. The fans tend to be loud on most models though, doe to the heat generated by LEDs.
The 0.2 chip is used in quite a bit of stuff, it's those micro projectors that you see

Like this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236802



LED projectors, do not have a color wheel. There are numerous models on the market. The color spectrum isn't the best on the majority of them, but they are fantastic for gaming. I have 2 using the DMD 0.45 chip with diagonal/diamond mirror arrays. The fans tend to be loud on most models though, doe to the heat generated by LEDs.

#4
Posted 03/20/2018 06:20 PM   
Just had a look into the manual of Epson Home Cinema 4000: [url]https://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd5/cpd53685.pdf[/url] Manual states that only 60hz input signals are supported. So this projector probably doesn't support 3D Vision via EDID override? I have a general question: what are the advantages of a LCD projector compared to DLP?
Just had a look into the manual of Epson Home Cinema 4000: https://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd5/cpd53685.pdf

Manual states that only 60hz input signals are supported. So this projector probably doesn't support 3D Vision via EDID override?

I have a general question: what are the advantages of a LCD projector compared to DLP?

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#5
Posted 03/20/2018 06:23 PM   
Here's an old article on the subject http://www.projectorcentral.com/lcd_dlp_comparison.htm BTW, I have hardly used my projector in the last year, but I do like using the DarbeeVision Darblet to accentuate game assets. It would be awesome if Nvidia would have a post processing like this, I'm sure they could add the same technology easily. The Darblet is overpriced, for what it does, but there's nothing else doing it. ReShede/ENB can achieve similar results.
Here's an old article on the subject

http://www.projectorcentral.com/lcd_dlp_comparison.htm

BTW, I have hardly used my projector in the last year, but I do like using the DarbeeVision Darblet to accentuate game assets. It would be awesome if Nvidia would have a post processing like this, I'm sure they could add the same technology easily. The Darblet is overpriced, for what it does, but there's nothing else doing it. ReShede/ENB can achieve similar results.

#6
Posted 03/20/2018 06:32 PM   
Thx for the link. Seems like LCD would be better for 3D according to project central. Did anyone try to use Epson Home Cinema 4000 with 3D Vision yet? And what about BenQ HT2550 - did anyone try it with 3D Vision in the meantime?
Thx for the link. Seems like LCD would be better for 3D according to project central. Did anyone try to use Epson Home Cinema 4000 with 3D Vision yet? And what about BenQ HT2550 - did anyone try it with 3D Vision in the meantime?

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#7
Posted 03/20/2018 07:18 PM   
Ah that's a shame; thanks for the info D-Man11. And the wait continues for an affordable .67" 2716 x 1528 120Hz input projector with RGBRGB wheel...
Ah that's a shame; thanks for the info D-Man11.

And the wait continues for an affordable .67" 2716 x 1528 120Hz input projector with RGBRGB wheel...

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#8
Posted 03/20/2018 11:29 PM   
I'm also looking forward to variable refresh rate projectors. Any news on that ?
I'm also looking forward to variable refresh rate projectors. Any news on that ?

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#9
Posted 03/21/2018 09:23 AM   
Something to keep in mind, is that Nvidia does allow 3D surround using 2 displays now, instead of the previously required 3. Requires Maxwell and newer GPUs. Several posters here have dual active projectors for Simulator cockpits using warpalizer software. See those threads for more info.
Something to keep in mind, is that Nvidia does allow 3D surround using 2 displays now, instead of the previously required 3. Requires Maxwell and newer GPUs.

Several posters here have dual active projectors for Simulator cockpits using warpalizer software. See those threads for more info.

#10
Posted 03/21/2018 09:44 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]Something to keep in mind, is that Nvidia does allow 3D surround using 2 displays now, instead of the previously required 3. Requires Maxwell and newer GPUs. Several posters here have dual active projectors for Simulator cockpits using warpalizer software. See those threads for more info.[/quote] Wow sounds interesting,..will try to find something about it. I will start with Monitor first PG278QR and later probably upgrade to projector. Big room, painted already in grey with 4m Wall, shaped like a cinema :)) Active dual projector sounds easier, then all this geobox/filters stuff.
D-Man11 said:Something to keep in mind, is that Nvidia does allow 3D surround using 2 displays now, instead of the previously required 3. Requires Maxwell and newer GPUs.

Several posters here have dual active projectors for Simulator cockpits using warpalizer software. See those threads for more info.


Wow sounds interesting,..will try to find something about it.
I will start with Monitor first PG278QR and later probably upgrade to projector.
Big room, painted already in grey with 4m Wall, shaped like a cinema :))

Active dual projector sounds easier, then all this geobox/filters stuff.

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#11
Posted 03/23/2018 01:17 AM   
Yes offcourse. And it has benefit Also no doubt. Dual projector passive 3D is not about EASY. it's about light output and visual quality and flickerness
Yes offcourse. And it has benefit Also no doubt.
Dual projector passive 3D is not about EASY.
it's about light output and visual quality and flickerness

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#12
Posted 03/23/2018 04:42 AM   
[quote="Metal-O-Holic"]Yes offcourse. And it has benefit Also no doubt. Dual projector passive 3D is not about EASY. it's about light output and visual quality and flickerness[/quote] ++Less/No Flicker with passive setup...got it. ++Light output? 2 projectors= 2 x light output passive reduces light by 50% (every 2nd line) and active by 50%(every 2nd frame)....is this wrong then? Light output should be not a problem, with 2 projectors in any way I guess.(exception with ambient light) ++Visual Quality: 2 passive projectors better than 2 active projectors? -Why is that dear king of passive projection?
Metal-O-Holic said:Yes offcourse. And it has benefit Also no doubt.
Dual projector passive 3D is not about EASY.
it's about light output and visual quality and flickerness


++Less/No Flicker with passive setup...got it.

++Light output?
2 projectors= 2 x light output

passive reduces light by 50% (every 2nd line) and active by 50%(every 2nd frame)....is this wrong then?
Light output should be not a problem, with 2 projectors in any way I guess.(exception with ambient light)

++Visual Quality:
2 passive projectors better than 2 active projectors?
-Why is that dear king of passive projection?

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#13
Posted 03/23/2018 09:52 AM   
http://www.simpit.co.nz/index.php https://www.facebook.com/pg/simpittech/photos/?ref=page_internal triple projector setup https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/757740/ Note: Keep in mind that warpalizing software is quite expensive. bo3b using two projectors :P [quote="bo3b"]Here's a setup I've used for quite awhile, dual-projectors, but one for each person in co-op. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y8pLmalsfg This is Gears of War, but we also use it for co-op 3D gaming, two nvidia setups, two DLP projectors. Dead Space 3 co-op in full 3D on dual projectors was a damn fine experience.[/quote]
http://www.simpit.co.nz/index.php
https://www.facebook.com/pg/simpittech/photos/?ref=page_internal

triple projector setup
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/757740/

Note: Keep in mind that warpalizing software is quite expensive.

bo3b using two projectors :P

bo3b said:Here's a setup I've used for quite awhile, dual-projectors, but one for each person in co-op.




This is Gears of War, but we also use it for co-op 3D gaming, two nvidia setups, two DLP projectors.
Dead Space 3 co-op in full 3D on dual projectors was a damn fine experience.

#14
Posted 03/23/2018 01:38 PM   
Videos of Th3_N3philim's new setup, 2 PJs vs his previous 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY3vx94fOGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opdt5qlM8VA
Videos of Th3_N3philim's new setup, 2 PJs vs his previous 3



#15
Posted 03/23/2018 01:47 PM   
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