I've been posting over on OC.net:
[url]https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-nvidia/1706276-official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owner-s-club-41.html#post27604100[/url]
"April, 2018, Nvidia engineers and related critical staff convene a metting sometime right around the crash of crypto when they foresaw the return of units from Taiwan and were like "What should we do, we need to continue to offload our 10 series stock, if we make the next architecture too fast no-one will buy the outgoing architecture." After much debate "I have an idea! We can just allocate a portion of the core to some new feature, this way we aren't technically outcompeting our own outgoing products, which we still need to offload!".....Much debate continues. "Oh and what if we add a new proprietary feature that makes our products more attractive over AMD's?!" More debate.....Jensen Huang enters the room from the break room, where he spends 90% of the day "So what do we have guys, what's the plan?!" Engineer: "We need to implement a new proprietary feature on a portion of the core that will both make the product not completely out-compete the 10 series stock we need to offload and be a new feature that AMD doesn't have!" Jensen Huang: "Hmmmm, what about Hairworks?!" Engineer 2: "No, game developers aren't using it enough, it's going to need to be a new and interesting feature" At that precise moment, the custodian of floor 3, section A of Nvidia Headquarters, Hank, enters the room, "I overheard part of your conversation, you guys need a new feature, what about that special lighting you've been working on for so long, Ray something or another?" Engineer 1: "Ray Tracing! That's a great idea!" Jensen Huang pauses for a moment, temporarily bewildered and distracted, thinking about his highest score on Candy Crush that he just made in the break room "Ray what?" Engineer 2: "Ray Tracing!" "Oh yeah, Ray Tracing, that's what we will do, and I will announce it wearing my jacket and then we will pay people to post on Twitter how much of a visionary I am! Great success!"
The applause dies down, then one of the engineers brings up another issue "Sir, we also need to address the problem that most of our consumer base has learned to not buy the Titan card and just wait for the 80 Ti card which is just as fast but for a lot less" Jensen Huang: "We can't have that, I need $1.5 million for my 2nd Bugatti Chiron, and I just bought Lanai, that Hawaiian island for $20B and I'm broke. How about we just rename this generation's Titan card the 80 Ti card?!"
More applause, then, Peterson, the director of Technical Marketing offers up a suggestion "You know if it's one thing that we learned during the crypto-currency boom it's that our consumer-base can afford to pay more, a lot more, for our products, I suggest we mark all of the cards up $200. The 2070 will no longer be $400, now it's $600. The 2080 will no longer be $600, it will now be $800 and the Titan, ahem, the 80 Ti, he he he, will now be $1200 instead of $1000.
Jensen Huang: "Youre a genius! But how will we tell the consumer base that they are getting a gimped new architecture with a feature that isn't ready for prime time and that they are going to pay $200 more than they are used to for it?"
Peterson replies: "Don't get into rasterization performance, just talk about Ray Tracing, how great it is, and how they are going to need it, even if it means they will see it at only 40 FPS at 1080p, we will make a lot of visual material that really shows how great it is, and we will exaggerate how easy it is to implement, just keep saying "it just works" and "it's just like turning something on" and "just buy it". The more you repeat these things, the more they are drilled into the consuming public, and this then becomes factual reality: "It just works" "Implementation is as easy as just turning the lights on" and most importantly "Just buy it".
Jensen Huang: "Ok no problem, we need to pay our Twitter PR guy to make a comment about me being visionary, maybe include a quote from like Henry Ford or something"
Peterson: "I will get ahold of our PR team and we will make it happen, don't worry Huang, soon you will be able to buy all of the Hawaiian Islands and a moon base, we will get as much as we can from our consumer-base, and then we will do it all over again next year when we release 7nm Volta which makes Turing completely obsolete. They will do whatever they can to afford our products, if that means forgoing medical care or eating nothing but Top Ramen for months at a time then that's what they will do. And we will pump up the hype by limiting the number of cards in the initial release to only 5k units, this will make it look like demand is completely out of proportion with supply. Then we will pay people to post on the various internet forums "I can't find the 2080 anywhere, I added 2080 such and such to my basket and it disappeared!" This will create such high demand that we will be able to sustain the "introductory FE" prices well into next year.
Everyone applauds, then they all start singing as though in a Disney Musical, and the engineers grab Jensen Huang and together hold him up in the air and then at the height of the song confetti releases from somewhere in the rafters of the room.
Fade to black."
"April, 2018, Nvidia engineers and related critical staff convene a metting sometime right around the crash of crypto when they foresaw the return of units from Taiwan and were like "What should we do, we need to continue to offload our 10 series stock, if we make the next architecture too fast no-one will buy the outgoing architecture." After much debate "I have an idea! We can just allocate a portion of the core to some new feature, this way we aren't technically outcompeting our own outgoing products, which we still need to offload!".....Much debate continues. "Oh and what if we add a new proprietary feature that makes our products more attractive over AMD's?!" More debate.....Jensen Huang enters the room from the break room, where he spends 90% of the day "So what do we have guys, what's the plan?!" Engineer: "We need to implement a new proprietary feature on a portion of the core that will both make the product not completely out-compete the 10 series stock we need to offload and be a new feature that AMD doesn't have!" Jensen Huang: "Hmmmm, what about Hairworks?!" Engineer 2: "No, game developers aren't using it enough, it's going to need to be a new and interesting feature" At that precise moment, the custodian of floor 3, section A of Nvidia Headquarters, Hank, enters the room, "I overheard part of your conversation, you guys need a new feature, what about that special lighting you've been working on for so long, Ray something or another?" Engineer 1: "Ray Tracing! That's a great idea!" Jensen Huang pauses for a moment, temporarily bewildered and distracted, thinking about his highest score on Candy Crush that he just made in the break room "Ray what?" Engineer 2: "Ray Tracing!" "Oh yeah, Ray Tracing, that's what we will do, and I will announce it wearing my jacket and then we will pay people to post on Twitter how much of a visionary I am! Great success!"
The applause dies down, then one of the engineers brings up another issue "Sir, we also need to address the problem that most of our consumer base has learned to not buy the Titan card and just wait for the 80 Ti card which is just as fast but for a lot less" Jensen Huang: "We can't have that, I need $1.5 million for my 2nd Bugatti Chiron, and I just bought Lanai, that Hawaiian island for $20B and I'm broke. How about we just rename this generation's Titan card the 80 Ti card?!"
More applause, then, Peterson, the director of Technical Marketing offers up a suggestion "You know if it's one thing that we learned during the crypto-currency boom it's that our consumer-base can afford to pay more, a lot more, for our products, I suggest we mark all of the cards up $200. The 2070 will no longer be $400, now it's $600. The 2080 will no longer be $600, it will now be $800 and the Titan, ahem, the 80 Ti, he he he, will now be $1200 instead of $1000.
Jensen Huang: "Youre a genius! But how will we tell the consumer base that they are getting a gimped new architecture with a feature that isn't ready for prime time and that they are going to pay $200 more than they are used to for it?"
Peterson replies: "Don't get into rasterization performance, just talk about Ray Tracing, how great it is, and how they are going to need it, even if it means they will see it at only 40 FPS at 1080p, we will make a lot of visual material that really shows how great it is, and we will exaggerate how easy it is to implement, just keep saying "it just works" and "it's just like turning something on" and "just buy it". The more you repeat these things, the more they are drilled into the consuming public, and this then becomes factual reality: "It just works" "Implementation is as easy as just turning the lights on" and most importantly "Just buy it".
Jensen Huang: "Ok no problem, we need to pay our Twitter PR guy to make a comment about me being visionary, maybe include a quote from like Henry Ford or something"
Peterson: "I will get ahold of our PR team and we will make it happen, don't worry Huang, soon you will be able to buy all of the Hawaiian Islands and a moon base, we will get as much as we can from our consumer-base, and then we will do it all over again next year when we release 7nm Volta which makes Turing completely obsolete. They will do whatever they can to afford our products, if that means forgoing medical care or eating nothing but Top Ramen for months at a time then that's what they will do. And we will pump up the hype by limiting the number of cards in the initial release to only 5k units, this will make it look like demand is completely out of proportion with supply. Then we will pay people to post on the various internet forums "I can't find the 2080 anywhere, I added 2080 such and such to my basket and it disappeared!" This will create such high demand that we will be able to sustain the "introductory FE" prices well into next year.
Everyone applauds, then they all start singing as though in a Disney Musical, and the engineers grab Jensen Huang and together hold him up in the air and then at the height of the song confetti releases from somewhere in the rafters of the room.
Fade to black."
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Is there an ignore feature on this forum?
Seriously, you have no credibility whatsoever.
Luckily I didn't even bother to read your whole post so saved some of my life for more important things.
[quote="xXxStarManxXx"]I have removed the Nvidia logo wallpapers from Wallpaper Engine. That's where I stand right now with them. I'm actually considering selling both my AW3418DW and PG278Q if AMD can produce something faster than 1080 Ti that doesn't cost $1300. I will put that money towards a 3440x1440 curved Free-Sync variant of my AW3418DW and kiss 3D Vision goodbye. [/quote] 3D Vision still exist because of this community. So stick to your words and kiss this community goodbye then...
xXxStarManxXx said:I have removed the Nvidia logo wallpapers from Wallpaper Engine. That's where I stand right now with them. I'm actually considering selling both my AW3418DW and PG278Q if AMD can produce something faster than 1080 Ti that doesn't cost $1300. I will put that money towards a 3440x1440 curved Free-Sync variant of my AW3418DW and kiss 3D Vision goodbye.
3D Vision still exist because of this community. So stick to your words and kiss this community goodbye then...
We all hate and love nvidia but i thats a bit over exaturated.
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I can't possibly think of any reason to hate Nvidia, without them I wasn't playing in AWESOME 3D !!!
Despite the fact that we are very few 3D lovers, they still keep the tech alive :)
To all hate posters, find another forum - THANKS !
I can't possibly think of any reason to hate Nvidia, without them I wasn't playing in AWESOME 3D !!!
Despite the fact that we are very few 3D lovers, they still keep the tech alive :)
To all hate posters, find another forum - THANKS !
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[quote="masterotaku"]Economy question to hear people's opinions here: do you think hardware prices should be proportionally lowered by country according to median income?[/quote] It would be great if this could be achieved. Totally agree.
@Starman. I apologize if I'm a bit harsh. But my blood will always be green and its getting a bit personal now. There's no need to turn every discussion here on the 3D Vision Forum into bitter poison. We need some tranquility and order. Go and read through the first 20 topics on this forum and see how people behaved. This is one of the reasons why admin doesn't bother with this forum anymore.
We will know everything about the RTX generation in a short while. There's no need to take the wind out of the excitement. My heart's been deeply penetrated with disappointment by nVidia in the past on 3 occasions. And yes, the culprit was greed on all of them. So I understand where you're coming from. But despite, they offer us something no one else could. There's a million times more joy coming from them than disappointment. Why should we focus on all the things they do wrong? Our rants wont make the prices go any lower. Especially not in the 3D Vision forum. It only adds more adversity to a world already contaminated with evil on every corner. So I would advice you to focus on the bright side of things.
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masterotaku said:Economy question to hear people's opinions here: do you think hardware prices should be proportionally lowered by country according to median income?
It would be great if this could be achieved. Totally agree.
@Starman. I apologize if I'm a bit harsh. But my blood will always be green and its getting a bit personal now. There's no need to turn every discussion here on the 3D Vision Forum into bitter poison. We need some tranquility and order. Go and read through the first 20 topics on this forum and see how people behaved. This is one of the reasons why admin doesn't bother with this forum anymore.
We will know everything about the RTX generation in a short while. There's no need to take the wind out of the excitement. My heart's been deeply penetrated with disappointment by nVidia in the past on 3 occasions. And yes, the culprit was greed on all of them. So I understand where you're coming from. But despite, they offer us something no one else could. There's a million times more joy coming from them than disappointment. Why should we focus on all the things they do wrong? Our rants wont make the prices go any lower. Especially not in the 3D Vision forum. It only adds more adversity to a world already contaminated with evil on every corner. So I would advice you to focus on the bright side of things.
I think Nvidia is doing a good job if they decide to take me 400€ for the 2080 TI. If Nvidia aks me for 1300€ (WTF!!!) is not doing a good job, is stealing my money or it is preventing me to play recent games prpoperly.
So no, Nvidia finally is not doing well at all, and everybody agree with that, I guess. Problem is that there is no law to prevent this to happen, and Nvidia is doing everything legal to make profit, without taking into acount that law do not always cover the rights of consumers, and following only laws do not garants them to behave morally, of course (wait..., speaking about moral? who do you think you are?)
Everything Nvidia made in the past was not intended to make life easier/better for people in the world. I understand every technolgical achievement that they made like another try to get the GOAL, and the goal is to create some private thing to force consumers to buy them and not others. They always try to make propertary things like g-sync, Nvidia 3D Vision, etc to make you sign a contract with them once you buy their hardware. I remember some years ago when they decided to collect some more money with the AWESOME idea of cutting down driver support to every monitor/proyector, excepting the monitors that they decided to support. A total agression to a group of consumers (us), and that is a very clear example of the lack of principles of this people..., instead os supporting they decide to treat them as sh** pissing in the tree remembering that they can do what they want because they are a big company and they make lost of money (that is a shame we live in this world, but there is no other).
Of course they don't mind at all if you spent a lot of money in a couple of pj's or something else, they decide to fuqk you because they made the driver and they consider that the law can not say anything about that. The respect to consumers is ZERO. They only care about money, and in my opinion it is not fair if consumers support them.
I know I love 3D tech, and maybe it is something I should thank to somebody inside Nvidia's company, but I am sure that person who invented the only thing that I love from this company is not deciding the policy that is defining what this company is today (today and yesterday, and the the day before yesterday).
The way they manipulate people is something ridiculous, and everybody seems to agree with that and nothing happens..., new cards and everybodyu buying inm the shop, nomatter what price. This world is a bit confussing to me. Still with my GTX 660 TI. It was an error to buy that, but I did it, as well as it was an error the moment that I bought the 3D glasses and the g-sync monitor..., a lot of money spent in something that make me difficult to move to AMD or something different in the next future. My mind is now focussing in console gamming instead..., maybe Nvidia makes possible to put me totally away from pc games once and for all. I can not stand the lack of philosophy of those people, and I can not understand the lack of capacity reaction of consumers in general.
I think my complain is more focused on consumers than in the company, because the company is well defined and my hope they care about what I write is below zero.
I think Nvidia is doing a good job if they decide to take me 400€ for the 2080 TI. If Nvidia aks me for 1300€ (WTF!!!) is not doing a good job, is stealing my money or it is preventing me to play recent games prpoperly.
So no, Nvidia finally is not doing well at all, and everybody agree with that, I guess. Problem is that there is no law to prevent this to happen, and Nvidia is doing everything legal to make profit, without taking into acount that law do not always cover the rights of consumers, and following only laws do not garants them to behave morally, of course (wait..., speaking about moral? who do you think you are?)
Everything Nvidia made in the past was not intended to make life easier/better for people in the world. I understand every technolgical achievement that they made like another try to get the GOAL, and the goal is to create some private thing to force consumers to buy them and not others. They always try to make propertary things like g-sync, Nvidia 3D Vision, etc to make you sign a contract with them once you buy their hardware. I remember some years ago when they decided to collect some more money with the AWESOME idea of cutting down driver support to every monitor/proyector, excepting the monitors that they decided to support. A total agression to a group of consumers (us), and that is a very clear example of the lack of principles of this people..., instead os supporting they decide to treat them as sh** pissing in the tree remembering that they can do what they want because they are a big company and they make lost of money (that is a shame we live in this world, but there is no other).
Of course they don't mind at all if you spent a lot of money in a couple of pj's or something else, they decide to fuqk you because they made the driver and they consider that the law can not say anything about that. The respect to consumers is ZERO. They only care about money, and in my opinion it is not fair if consumers support them.
I know I love 3D tech, and maybe it is something I should thank to somebody inside Nvidia's company, but I am sure that person who invented the only thing that I love from this company is not deciding the policy that is defining what this company is today (today and yesterday, and the the day before yesterday).
The way they manipulate people is something ridiculous, and everybody seems to agree with that and nothing happens..., new cards and everybodyu buying inm the shop, nomatter what price. This world is a bit confussing to me. Still with my GTX 660 TI. It was an error to buy that, but I did it, as well as it was an error the moment that I bought the 3D glasses and the g-sync monitor..., a lot of money spent in something that make me difficult to move to AMD or something different in the next future. My mind is now focussing in console gamming instead..., maybe Nvidia makes possible to put me totally away from pc games once and for all. I can not stand the lack of philosophy of those people, and I can not understand the lack of capacity reaction of consumers in general.
I think my complain is more focused on consumers than in the company, because the company is well defined and my hope they care about what I write is below zero.
we don´t know how much of the new series is air your buying but we know if the price is too much for us, and there is one thing we can do to try and lover prices. Not to buy any at the asked price. simple as that
we don´t know how much of the new series is air your buying but we know if the price is too much for us, and there is one thing we can do to try and lover prices. Not to buy any at the asked price. simple as that
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At this point I really don't care to hear from anyone who isn't a 3D Vision user in this 3D VISION section of the forums....
Sora can fuck off along with anyone else...who just here to talk BS.
I'm for the progression of the new nvidia GPU and the continuation of 3D Vision software.
Raytracing and 4K are great as long as they go hand in hand with 3D Vision.
Don't give a single shit about 2D pancake gaming at this point nor do I care to hear from anyone who does.
3D Vision!
What was that??
3D Vision?
Yes 3D Vision!
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I'm a little bummed to see that the 2070 will not have NVLink, effectively taking the option away for those that might buy one now and then save for a second to gain better performance.
I'm a little bummed to see that the 2070 will not have NVLink, effectively taking the option away for those that might buy one now and then save for a second to gain better performance.
I'm actually going to keep a close eye on the 1080ti prices, I may well pick a couple up if the price is right.
Agree about them dropping the connectors on the 2070 though, I think that's a pretty spiteful move.
Can't wait to see how NVLink performs in general though. SLI gets a bad press, but as long as you go into it with your eyes open I think it can make sense.
I'm actually going to keep a close eye on the 1080ti prices, I may well pick a couple up if the price is right.
Agree about them dropping the connectors on the 2070 though, I think that's a pretty spiteful move.
Can't wait to see how NVLink performs in general though. SLI gets a bad press, but as long as you go into it with your eyes open I think it can make sense.
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I was excited when I initially saw NVLink support, but I wonder how dumbed down it is since it's not using Volta architecture or HBM2 memory.
So, What Is NVLink? (this is in relation to Nvidia's Professional GPUS)
NVLink, the world’s first high-speed GPU interconnect, offers a faster alternative. NVLink will let data move between GPUs and CPUs five to 12 times faster than they can today. Imagine what would happen to highway congestion in Los Angeles if the roads expanded from 4 lanes to 20.
That’s fast enough to let the GPU suck data from the CPU as quick as a CPU can get it from its own memory (see “How NVLink Will Enable Faster, Easier Multi-GPU Computing”).
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/nvlink/
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/11/14/what-is-nvlink/
https://news.developer.nvidia.com/nvswitch-leveraging-nvlink-to-maximum-effect/
https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvlink-pascal-stacked-memory-feeding-appetite-big-data/
[color="orange"]Note: These links discuss NVLink but are not reflective of anything to due with the Turing Architecture[/color]
It would be nice to see a white paper detailing NVLinks use on the Turing Architecture since they are using GDDR6.
I was excited when I initially saw NVLink support, but I wonder how dumbed down it is since it's not using Volta architecture or HBM2 memory.
So, What Is NVLink? (this is in relation to Nvidia's Professional GPUS)
NVLink, the world’s first high-speed GPU interconnect, offers a faster alternative. NVLink will let data move between GPUs and CPUs five to 12 times faster than they can today. Imagine what would happen to highway congestion in Los Angeles if the roads expanded from 4 lanes to 20.
That’s fast enough to let the GPU suck data from the CPU as quick as a CPU can get it from its own memory (see “How NVLink Will Enable Faster, Easier Multi-GPU Computing”).
If I remember correctly, the CPU gets data from the DDR RAM serially, while the GPU gets it from GDDR/HBM in parallel. This is the fundamental difference between CPU memory and GPU memory. If I recall, and I might be mistaken, there is no real bottleneck between GPU and CPU memory when gaming - there might be when doing things like deep learning or AI, for which this tech is obviously better suited.
When it comes to multi-GPU, NV link connector replaces the SLi connector, and is many times faster.
The golden scenario would be that the NVLink connector allows a GPU on one card to directly access memory on the other card, thereby doubling the GPU memory and allowing the system to see multiple GPUs as single card (reverse milti-threading) so that SLi profiles are not needed, and there is perfect performance scaling.
The reality, however, is that the NVLink connector is actually something like 5x slower than GDDR6 memory so this cannot really come to pass in its true form.
Many questions to ponder, and I'm sure we'll all be enlightened in good time.
For what it's worth, AMD will release Navi on 7nm process next year, which is expected to be 40% faster than their current cards.
nVidia too is expected to release Turing cards on 7nm next year giving massive performance boosts to Turing (currently 12nm process), and even perhaps the big die they use in their professional cards as a Titan card, probably at around the same price as a 2080Ti currently, and bringing the 20xx prices down. This means that after a year or so, the people who spend $1200 on a 2080Ti etc right now, might be mightily disappointed (potentially including me; waiting for the benchmarks to ascertain personal value to me).
This is all speculation of course, but worth mentioning as a good potential reality a year or two from now :)
If I remember correctly, the CPU gets data from the DDR RAM serially, while the GPU gets it from GDDR/HBM in parallel. This is the fundamental difference between CPU memory and GPU memory. If I recall, and I might be mistaken, there is no real bottleneck between GPU and CPU memory when gaming - there might be when doing things like deep learning or AI, for which this tech is obviously better suited.
When it comes to multi-GPU, NV link connector replaces the SLi connector, and is many times faster.
The golden scenario would be that the NVLink connector allows a GPU on one card to directly access memory on the other card, thereby doubling the GPU memory and allowing the system to see multiple GPUs as single card (reverse milti-threading) so that SLi profiles are not needed, and there is perfect performance scaling.
The reality, however, is that the NVLink connector is actually something like 5x slower than GDDR6 memory so this cannot really come to pass in its true form.
Many questions to ponder, and I'm sure we'll all be enlightened in good time.
For what it's worth, AMD will release Navi on 7nm process next year, which is expected to be 40% faster than their current cards.
nVidia too is expected to release Turing cards on 7nm next year giving massive performance boosts to Turing (currently 12nm process), and even perhaps the big die they use in their professional cards as a Titan card, probably at around the same price as a 2080Ti currently, and bringing the 20xx prices down. This means that after a year or so, the people who spend $1200 on a 2080Ti etc right now, might be mightily disappointed (potentially including me; waiting for the benchmarks to ascertain personal value to me).
This is all speculation of course, but worth mentioning as a good potential reality a year or two from now :)
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Nvidia has pre-order links on their site, but when I click them, I do not get anything.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/ (scroll down)
https://www.overclock.net/forum/69-nvidia/1706276-official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owner-s-club-41.html#post27604100
"April, 2018, Nvidia engineers and related critical staff convene a metting sometime right around the crash of crypto when they foresaw the return of units from Taiwan and were like "What should we do, we need to continue to offload our 10 series stock, if we make the next architecture too fast no-one will buy the outgoing architecture." After much debate "I have an idea! We can just allocate a portion of the core to some new feature, this way we aren't technically outcompeting our own outgoing products, which we still need to offload!".....Much debate continues. "Oh and what if we add a new proprietary feature that makes our products more attractive over AMD's?!" More debate.....Jensen Huang enters the room from the break room, where he spends 90% of the day "So what do we have guys, what's the plan?!" Engineer: "We need to implement a new proprietary feature on a portion of the core that will both make the product not completely out-compete the 10 series stock we need to offload and be a new feature that AMD doesn't have!" Jensen Huang: "Hmmmm, what about Hairworks?!" Engineer 2: "No, game developers aren't using it enough, it's going to need to be a new and interesting feature" At that precise moment, the custodian of floor 3, section A of Nvidia Headquarters, Hank, enters the room, "I overheard part of your conversation, you guys need a new feature, what about that special lighting you've been working on for so long, Ray something or another?" Engineer 1: "Ray Tracing! That's a great idea!" Jensen Huang pauses for a moment, temporarily bewildered and distracted, thinking about his highest score on Candy Crush that he just made in the break room "Ray what?" Engineer 2: "Ray Tracing!" "Oh yeah, Ray Tracing, that's what we will do, and I will announce it wearing my jacket and then we will pay people to post on Twitter how much of a visionary I am! Great success!"
The applause dies down, then one of the engineers brings up another issue "Sir, we also need to address the problem that most of our consumer base has learned to not buy the Titan card and just wait for the 80 Ti card which is just as fast but for a lot less" Jensen Huang: "We can't have that, I need $1.5 million for my 2nd Bugatti Chiron, and I just bought Lanai, that Hawaiian island for $20B and I'm broke. How about we just rename this generation's Titan card the 80 Ti card?!"
More applause, then, Peterson, the director of Technical Marketing offers up a suggestion "You know if it's one thing that we learned during the crypto-currency boom it's that our consumer-base can afford to pay more, a lot more, for our products, I suggest we mark all of the cards up $200. The 2070 will no longer be $400, now it's $600. The 2080 will no longer be $600, it will now be $800 and the Titan, ahem, the 80 Ti, he he he, will now be $1200 instead of $1000.
Jensen Huang: "Youre a genius! But how will we tell the consumer base that they are getting a gimped new architecture with a feature that isn't ready for prime time and that they are going to pay $200 more than they are used to for it?"
Peterson replies: "Don't get into rasterization performance, just talk about Ray Tracing, how great it is, and how they are going to need it, even if it means they will see it at only 40 FPS at 1080p, we will make a lot of visual material that really shows how great it is, and we will exaggerate how easy it is to implement, just keep saying "it just works" and "it's just like turning something on" and "just buy it". The more you repeat these things, the more they are drilled into the consuming public, and this then becomes factual reality: "It just works" "Implementation is as easy as just turning the lights on" and most importantly "Just buy it".
Jensen Huang: "Ok no problem, we need to pay our Twitter PR guy to make a comment about me being visionary, maybe include a quote from like Henry Ford or something"
Peterson: "I will get ahold of our PR team and we will make it happen, don't worry Huang, soon you will be able to buy all of the Hawaiian Islands and a moon base, we will get as much as we can from our consumer-base, and then we will do it all over again next year when we release 7nm Volta which makes Turing completely obsolete. They will do whatever they can to afford our products, if that means forgoing medical care or eating nothing but Top Ramen for months at a time then that's what they will do. And we will pump up the hype by limiting the number of cards in the initial release to only 5k units, this will make it look like demand is completely out of proportion with supply. Then we will pay people to post on the various internet forums "I can't find the 2080 anywhere, I added 2080 such and such to my basket and it disappeared!" This will create such high demand that we will be able to sustain the "introductory FE" prices well into next year.
Everyone applauds, then they all start singing as though in a Disney Musical, and the engineers grab Jensen Huang and together hold him up in the air and then at the height of the song confetti releases from somewhere in the rafters of the room.
Fade to black."
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Seriously, you have no credibility whatsoever.
Luckily I didn't even bother to read your whole post so saved some of my life for more important things.
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Despite the fact that we are very few 3D lovers, they still keep the tech alive :)
To all hate posters, find another forum - THANKS !
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@Starman. I apologize if I'm a bit harsh. But my blood will always be green and its getting a bit personal now. There's no need to turn every discussion here on the 3D Vision Forum into bitter poison. We need some tranquility and order. Go and read through the first 20 topics on this forum and see how people behaved. This is one of the reasons why admin doesn't bother with this forum anymore.
We will know everything about the RTX generation in a short while. There's no need to take the wind out of the excitement. My heart's been deeply penetrated with disappointment by nVidia in the past on 3 occasions. And yes, the culprit was greed on all of them. So I understand where you're coming from. But despite, they offer us something no one else could. There's a million times more joy coming from them than disappointment. Why should we focus on all the things they do wrong? Our rants wont make the prices go any lower. Especially not in the 3D Vision forum. It only adds more adversity to a world already contaminated with evil on every corner. So I would advice you to focus on the bright side of things.
So no, Nvidia finally is not doing well at all, and everybody agree with that, I guess. Problem is that there is no law to prevent this to happen, and Nvidia is doing everything legal to make profit, without taking into acount that law do not always cover the rights of consumers, and following only laws do not garants them to behave morally, of course (wait..., speaking about moral? who do you think you are?)
Everything Nvidia made in the past was not intended to make life easier/better for people in the world. I understand every technolgical achievement that they made like another try to get the GOAL, and the goal is to create some private thing to force consumers to buy them and not others. They always try to make propertary things like g-sync, Nvidia 3D Vision, etc to make you sign a contract with them once you buy their hardware. I remember some years ago when they decided to collect some more money with the AWESOME idea of cutting down driver support to every monitor/proyector, excepting the monitors that they decided to support. A total agression to a group of consumers (us), and that is a very clear example of the lack of principles of this people..., instead os supporting they decide to treat them as sh** pissing in the tree remembering that they can do what they want because they are a big company and they make lost of money (that is a shame we live in this world, but there is no other).
Of course they don't mind at all if you spent a lot of money in a couple of pj's or something else, they decide to fuqk you because they made the driver and they consider that the law can not say anything about that. The respect to consumers is ZERO. They only care about money, and in my opinion it is not fair if consumers support them.
I know I love 3D tech, and maybe it is something I should thank to somebody inside Nvidia's company, but I am sure that person who invented the only thing that I love from this company is not deciding the policy that is defining what this company is today (today and yesterday, and the the day before yesterday).
The way they manipulate people is something ridiculous, and everybody seems to agree with that and nothing happens..., new cards and everybodyu buying inm the shop, nomatter what price. This world is a bit confussing to me. Still with my GTX 660 TI. It was an error to buy that, but I did it, as well as it was an error the moment that I bought the 3D glasses and the g-sync monitor..., a lot of money spent in something that make me difficult to move to AMD or something different in the next future. My mind is now focussing in console gamming instead..., maybe Nvidia makes possible to put me totally away from pc games once and for all. I can not stand the lack of philosophy of those people, and I can not understand the lack of capacity reaction of consumers in general.
I think my complain is more focused on consumers than in the company, because the company is well defined and my hope they care about what I write is below zero.
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Sora can fuck off along with anyone else...who just here to talk BS.
I'm for the progression of the new nvidia GPU and the continuation of 3D Vision software.
Raytracing and 4K are great as long as they go hand in hand with 3D Vision.
Don't give a single shit about 2D pancake gaming at this point nor do I care to hear from anyone who does.
3D Vision!
What was that??
3D Vision?
Yes 3D Vision!
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Agree about them dropping the connectors on the 2070 though, I think that's a pretty spiteful move.
Can't wait to see how NVLink performs in general though. SLI gets a bad press, but as long as you go into it with your eyes open I think it can make sense.
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So, What Is NVLink? (this is in relation to Nvidia's Professional GPUS)
NVLink, the world’s first high-speed GPU interconnect, offers a faster alternative. NVLink will let data move between GPUs and CPUs five to 12 times faster than they can today. Imagine what would happen to highway congestion in Los Angeles if the roads expanded from 4 lanes to 20.
That’s fast enough to let the GPU suck data from the CPU as quick as a CPU can get it from its own memory (see “How NVLink Will Enable Faster, Easier Multi-GPU Computing”).
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/nvlink/
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/11/14/what-is-nvlink/
https://news.developer.nvidia.com/nvswitch-leveraging-nvlink-to-maximum-effect/
https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvlink-pascal-stacked-memory-feeding-appetite-big-data/
Note: These links discuss NVLink but are not reflective of anything to due with the Turing Architecture
It would be nice to see a white paper detailing NVLinks use on the Turing Architecture since they are using GDDR6.
When it comes to multi-GPU, NV link connector replaces the SLi connector, and is many times faster.
The golden scenario would be that the NVLink connector allows a GPU on one card to directly access memory on the other card, thereby doubling the GPU memory and allowing the system to see multiple GPUs as single card (reverse milti-threading) so that SLi profiles are not needed, and there is perfect performance scaling.
The reality, however, is that the NVLink connector is actually something like 5x slower than GDDR6 memory so this cannot really come to pass in its true form.
Many questions to ponder, and I'm sure we'll all be enlightened in good time.
For what it's worth, AMD will release Navi on 7nm process next year, which is expected to be 40% faster than their current cards.
nVidia too is expected to release Turing cards on 7nm next year giving massive performance boosts to Turing (currently 12nm process), and even perhaps the big die they use in their professional cards as a Titan card, probably at around the same price as a 2080Ti currently, and bringing the 20xx prices down. This means that after a year or so, the people who spend $1200 on a 2080Ti etc right now, might be mightily disappointed (potentially including me; waiting for the benchmarks to ascertain personal value to me).
This is all speculation of course, but worth mentioning as a good potential reality a year or two from now :)
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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/ (scroll down)