4K Ultra HD (3840x2160) stereoscopic 3D gaming (videos)
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Yah, I know all about ToastyX. It's no secret. I still think you are blowing smoke. You certainly aint doing 4K on a CRT projector pixel for pixel. The light guns have limitations. How come you are not listing the facts that were asked for? Instead you divert questions and claim things are secret. You must be a politician in real life, you seem to be talking from both sides of your face.
Yah, I know all about ToastyX. It's no secret. I still think you are blowing smoke.

You certainly aint doing 4K on a CRT projector pixel for pixel. The light guns have limitations.

How come you are not listing the facts that were asked for?

Instead you divert questions and claim things are secret.

You must be a politician in real life, you seem to be talking from both sides of your face.

#31
Posted 07/26/2013 07:47 AM   
Those guys using ToastX pixel patch on Catleaps are also using Dual Link DVI(d). Huge difference, it has double the number of TMDS pairs. Six, count them "SIX" TMDS pairs. HDMI and Single Link DVI(d) have "THREE" TMDS pairs................ You are not pushing 4K 60 over a single HDMI cable, even if the GPUs pixel clock restriction is overridden.
Those guys using ToastX pixel patch on Catleaps are also using Dual Link DVI(d).

Huge difference, it has double the number of TMDS pairs. Six, count them "SIX" TMDS pairs.

HDMI and Single Link DVI(d) have "THREE" TMDS pairs................

You are not pushing 4K 60 over a single HDMI cable, even if the GPUs pixel clock restriction is overridden.

#32
Posted 07/26/2013 07:57 AM   
You are confusing my setups. Nowhere I claim to do 4k 60hz via hdmi. In one setup I use 4k 30hz hdmi projector as a monitor at a scaling and refreh controlling capture device. It´s output can set be much different than the captured and recorded input. That all. Many Nvidia user will be able to reproduce what I do (60hz) as soon as they own certain 4k displays. So far, I am happy about the technical advantage. I do not have time for this, sorry D-Man11. Especially as your tone is quite irrespectful. When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour. So, to all the others that just want to enjoy great 4k 3d half sbs video quality (3840x2160 total, and 1920x2160 per eye), have fun. As soon as Youtube and consumer technics allow full 4k sbs (~8000x2000), we will deliver this. Games will be prefered to be recorded with Nvidia, if the specific game produced 3d without glitches. If problems are visible, we will use tridef if possible. Videos will contain in the description how they are rendered.If there would result an interesting comparison between 3d Vison and Tridef, we will upload both videos of the same game. I will post the links in the first post of this thread. Thanks for your time your HDGamingTestChannel @ youtube
You are confusing my setups. Nowhere I claim to do 4k 60hz via hdmi. In one setup I use 4k 30hz hdmi projector as a monitor at a scaling and refreh controlling capture device. It´s output can set be much different than the captured and recorded input. That all.

Many Nvidia user will be able to reproduce what I do (60hz) as soon as they own certain 4k displays. So far, I am happy about the technical advantage.


I do not have time for this, sorry D-Man11. Especially as your tone is quite irrespectful. When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.



So, to all the others that just want to enjoy great 4k 3d half sbs video quality (3840x2160 total, and 1920x2160 per eye), have fun. As soon as Youtube and consumer technics allow full 4k sbs (~8000x2000), we will deliver this.
Games will be prefered to be recorded with Nvidia, if the specific game produced 3d without glitches. If problems are visible, we will use tridef if possible. Videos will contain in the description how they are rendered.If there would result an interesting comparison between 3d Vison and Tridef, we will upload both videos of the same game. I will post the links in the first post of this thread.

Thanks for your time


your HDGamingTestChannel @ youtube

#33
Posted 07/26/2013 09:44 AM   
[quote="HDGametest2"]I do not have time for this, sorry D-Man11. Especially as your tone is quite irrespectful. When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.[/quote] Do you charge extra to use spell check?
HDGametest2 said:I do not have time for this, sorry D-Man11. Especially as your tone is quite irrespectful. When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.


Do you charge extra to use spell check?

#34
Posted 07/26/2013 10:28 AM   
yah whatever! you lack any proof or evidence. Downsampling is downsampling. You can call it what you want, but I'll call it what it is. [quote="HDGametest2"] When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.[/quote] nothing but another laughable lie that you are hiding behind. Stop claiming your videos are 4K when they are not.
yah whatever! you lack any proof or evidence. Downsampling is downsampling. You can call it what you want, but I'll call it what it is.

HDGametest2 said: When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.


nothing but another laughable lie that you are hiding behind. Stop claiming your videos are 4K when they are not.

#35
Posted 07/26/2013 10:30 AM   
[quote="HDGametest2"]But right, the dispaly device has to the same thing when sending bluray 3d at 24hz. It must be multiplied to 60 or better 72 per eye. Not necessarily motion interpolation, but repeated frames. [/quote] This is like saying a game running at 30fps is 60hz because that's the refresh rate of the display. We're gamers, we know what that is: 30fps with vsync. Most of us try to avoid that. You also advertise 30hz per eye. That's not a good thing. 60hz per eye is the standard now for good reason. I appreciate you pushing the envelope and trying to show us the result. However, as you say, Youtube isn't capable of showing us 4k 60fps per eye 3D. While you [i]want[/i] to show us, you're also telling us how you [i]can't[/i] show us. You surely know that we're limited by our own displays, 1080p 60fps at max, let alone Youtube. You can't show us, so what's the point? Bragging like this?: [quote="HDGametest"]Save your time, as long as you are not even entiteled to browse the catalog of companies like Barco or a dozen others, you can not know todays possibilies. I am talking here about six digit devices.[/quote] [quote="HDGametest2"]Relax - I get paid for what I am doing, because I am good in what I am doing.[/quote] [quote="HDGametest2"]Especially as your tone is quite irrespectful. When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.[/quote]
HDGametest2 said:But right, the dispaly device has to the same thing when sending bluray 3d at 24hz. It must be multiplied to 60 or better 72 per eye. Not necessarily motion interpolation, but repeated frames.


This is like saying a game running at 30fps is 60hz because that's the refresh rate of the display. We're gamers, we know what that is: 30fps with vsync. Most of us try to avoid that. You also advertise 30hz per eye. That's not a good thing. 60hz per eye is the standard now for good reason.

I appreciate you pushing the envelope and trying to show us the result. However, as you say, Youtube isn't capable of showing us 4k 60fps per eye 3D. While you want to show us, you're also telling us how you can't show us. You surely know that we're limited by our own displays, 1080p 60fps at max, let alone Youtube. You can't show us, so what's the point? Bragging like this?:

HDGametest said:Save your time, as long as you are not even entiteled to browse the catalog of companies like Barco or a dozen others, you can not know todays possibilies. I am talking here about six digit devices.


HDGametest2 said:Relax - I get paid for what I am doing, because I am good in what I am doing.


HDGametest2 said:Especially as your tone is quite irrespectful. When I do cunsulting for my company, we charge a four digit number in Euros per hour.

#36
Posted 07/26/2013 10:39 AM   
So is the high tech gear seen at 0.05 and the high tech periphials seen at 1:01 of of your YouTube video the result of your gross wages from last year? The desk and projector rack alone must have cost an arm and a leg. It's plain to see you are rolling in the cash with the best of the best! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZdzBNPfq8E&list=TLPAZYbLEHzzw
So is the high tech gear seen at 0.05 and the high tech periphials seen at 1:01 of of your YouTube video the result of your gross wages from last year? The desk and projector rack alone must have cost an arm and a leg. It's plain to see you are rolling in the cash with the best of the best!

;list=TLPAZYbLEHzzw

#37
Posted 07/26/2013 10:42 AM   
You can also download the file on youtube, and let Windows tell you the resolution if you like. If you watch some of our 4k videos, we clearly show in game menus showing the resolution 4096x2306 or 4085x2295 or 3840x2160. Except the last, not possible with downsampling. And we wil do more of this in the future.
You can also download the file on youtube, and let Windows tell you the resolution if you like. If you watch some of our 4k videos, we clearly show in game menus showing the resolution 4096x2306 or 4085x2295 or 3840x2160. Except the last, not possible with downsampling. And we wil do more of this in the future.

#38
Posted 07/26/2013 11:11 AM   
You can also check in the widescreen gaming forum. We uploaded screen shots in the master game list showing resolution options in game menus with 4096x2306 or 4085x2295 - same as our videos you can download on youtube.
You can also check in the widescreen gaming forum. We uploaded screen shots in the master game list showing resolution options in game menus with 4096x2306 or 4085x2295 - same as our videos you can download on youtube.

#39
Posted 07/26/2013 11:17 AM   
[quote="HDGametest2"]You can also download the file on youtube, and let windows tell you the resolution if you like. If you watch out some of our 4k videos, we clearly show in game menus at 4096x2306 or 4085x2295 or 3840x2160. Never heard of downsampling beyond 3840.[/quote] This doesn't really address the criticisms of my previous post: frame rate vs hz, and the inability to see what you're seeing without your equipment. Let alone bitrate and compression of video, which I myself didn't mention. I don't think any of us doubted that 4k 3D was possible in the first place, by the way.
HDGametest2 said:You can also download the file on youtube, and let windows tell you the resolution if you like. If you watch out some of our 4k videos, we clearly show in game menus at 4096x2306 or 4085x2295 or 3840x2160. Never heard of downsampling beyond 3840.


This doesn't really address the criticisms of my previous post: frame rate vs hz, and the inability to see what you're seeing without your equipment. Let alone bitrate and compression of video, which I myself didn't mention.

I don't think any of us doubted that 4k 3D was possible in the first place, by the way.

#40
Posted 07/26/2013 11:19 AM   
Was Nvidia 3d Vison when doing frame packed not also limited to 1080p24 per eye in gaming for a certain time? It is not anymore, as frame sequential does it for us now in 1080p. I do not say 30hz good (and hopefully full 30 frames also, because you certainly should not loose frames when so low), but for a certain time whe have to accept limits, until improvemnts come up (if you want to do high resolutions. By the way, all youtube videos in all resolutions are limited to 30hz. So why should I do a lower resolution, when vidoes look so good in 4k via Youtube. Market wants us to buy new stuff, and so they force us with every new update.
Was Nvidia 3d Vison when doing frame packed not also limited to 1080p24 per eye in gaming for a certain time? It is not anymore, as frame sequential does it for us now in 1080p.
I do not say 30hz good (and hopefully full 30 frames also, because you certainly should not loose frames when so low), but for a certain time whe have to accept limits, until improvemnts come up (if you want to do high resolutions. By the way, all youtube videos in all resolutions are limited to 30hz. So why should I do a lower resolution, when vidoes look so good in 4k via Youtube.
Market wants us to buy new stuff, and so they force us with every new update.

#41
Posted 07/26/2013 11:32 AM   
First my apologies to other forum users for ranting on this guy. But he's provided zero proof and clearly is not doing what he says he is. Higher resolution have always been possible, it seems that this guy just discovered downsampling and is mistaking it for the real deal. Or...he knows that he's downsamplimg and is trying to pass it off as real 4K. You can read about it at Guru 3D http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=366244 There's a reason that the new Sharp PN-K321 4K TV and ASUS PQ321Q 4K monitor can only do 30Hz over a single cable connection. Watch this video to see how dual input is utulized to achieve 60Hz, also keep in mind that this is for 2D not 3D. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T7pdrOipuI And for the OP to claim that he is somehow achieving 4K on antique projectors using anything other than downsampling is a lie! Where's his proof? Ooops...I forgot, it's super secret cutting edge technology that if he tells us, he's going to have to kill us. Forget I asked.....
First my apologies to other forum users for ranting on this guy.

But he's provided zero proof and clearly is not doing what he says he is.

Higher resolution have always been possible, it seems that this guy just discovered downsampling and is mistaking it for the real deal. Or...he knows that he's downsamplimg and is trying to pass it off as real 4K.

You can read about it at Guru 3D http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=366244

There's a reason that the new Sharp PN-K321 4K TV and ASUS PQ321Q 4K monitor can only do 30Hz over a single cable connection.

Watch this video to see how dual input is utulized to achieve 60Hz, also keep in mind that this is for 2D not 3D.

And for the OP to claim that he is somehow achieving 4K on antique projectors using anything other than downsampling is a lie!

Where's his proof? Ooops...I forgot, it's super secret cutting edge technology that if he tells us, he's going to have to kill us. Forget I asked.....

#42
Posted 07/26/2013 11:48 AM   
As I can not upload pictures here (right?) I link to another forum with impossibly downsampled 4k screens. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1483077/4k-ultra-hd-3840x2160-stereoscopic-3d-gaming-videos#post_23565417 Out next viedeos in steroscopic will start in the option menus showing in stereoscopic 3d the 4k resolution choosen. We did not do this so far, as we wanted to keep the video short - because you are right - we try to save internet bandwith when uploading these big files. So we then started in game with capturing.
As I can not upload pictures here (right?) I link to another forum with impossibly downsampled 4k screens.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1483077/4k-ultra-hd-3840x2160-stereoscopic-3d-gaming-videos#post_23565417

Out next viedeos in steroscopic will start in the option menus showing in stereoscopic 3d the 4k resolution choosen. We did not do this so far, as we wanted to keep the video short - because you are right - we try to save internet bandwith when uploading these big files. So we then started in game with capturing.

#43
Posted 07/26/2013 11:52 AM   
[quote="HDGametest2"]I do not say 30hz good (and hopefully full 30 frames also, because you certainly should not loose frames when so low), but for a certain time whe have to accept limits, until improvemnts come up (if you want to do high resolutions[/quote] The problem is that high resolutions in and of themselves are not the goal. 480p, 720p, 1080p, 2160p, you face diminishing returns the higher you go. Many can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p given their screen size and viewing distance. 1080p vs 2160p is even less obvious. Meanwhile, almost everyone can see the difference between 30fps and 60fps. So while your 4k 30fps 3D set up has high resolution, it's an overall visual downgrade from 1080p 60fps 3D even under ideal conditions, and quite likely a downgrade from 720p 60fps 3D under typical viewing conditions.
HDGametest2 said:I do not say 30hz good (and hopefully full 30 frames also, because you certainly should not loose frames when so low), but for a certain time whe have to accept limits, until improvemnts come up (if you want to do high resolutions


The problem is that high resolutions in and of themselves are not the goal. 480p, 720p, 1080p, 2160p, you face diminishing returns the higher you go. Many can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p given their screen size and viewing distance. 1080p vs 2160p is even less obvious. Meanwhile, almost everyone can see the difference between 30fps and 60fps.

So while your 4k 30fps 3D set up has high resolution, it's an overall visual downgrade from 1080p 60fps 3D even under ideal conditions, and quite likely a downgrade from 720p 60fps 3D under typical viewing conditions.

#44
Posted 07/26/2013 11:55 AM   
Using a 4k screen is a revelation. it is like going from a 800x600 to 1080p. 720p to 1080p is no big step. 1080 to 2160 p is huge. Calculate pixels. All 4k devices I was working with, and also many on the consumer marked are equipped with frame interpolation. Not as good as real 60 frames, but you can have your 30 frames per eye interpolated to much higher rates than only 60 or exaxtly 60 or not if you can live with 30frames blank doubled to 60hz. But certainly, real 60hz and 60 frames are the real deal. But I and many other prefer 4k. You will watch the marked kill 1080p, even at 30hz - soon as 4k goes down in price.
Using a 4k screen is a revelation. it is like going from a 800x600 to 1080p.
720p to 1080p is no big step. 1080 to 2160 p is huge. Calculate pixels.

All 4k devices I was working with, and also many on the consumer marked are equipped with frame interpolation. Not as good as real 60 frames, but you can have your 30 frames per eye interpolated to much higher rates than only 60 or exaxtly 60 or not if you can live with 30frames blank doubled to 60hz. But certainly, real 60hz and 60 frames are the real deal. But I and many other prefer 4k. You will watch the marked kill 1080p, even at 30hz - soon as 4k goes down in price.

#45
Posted 07/26/2013 12:05 PM   
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