Now available - 270.61 drivers Lots of fixes, please comment if they are fixed for you.
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[quote name='Guz' date='18 April 2011 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1303180198' post='1226950']
Drivers are great for me. No more BSODs. Performance is also awesome in triple screen. Alienware brightness is fixed too. Only thing I noticed is I have to start games from a triple screen resolution ie. 6000x1080 in order to get performance fixed in games at the same resolution. If games are started from single screen resolution ie. 1920x1080 I don't get the performance boost.
It is recommended that you disable Surround when you want to run at 1920x0108 (what we call single wide). The performance of running at 1920x1080 with Surround enabled will be less than running at 1920x1080 with Surround disabled.
[quote name='Guz' date='18 April 2011 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1303180198' post='1226950']
Drivers are great for me. No more BSODs. Performance is also awesome in triple screen. Alienware brightness is fixed too. Only thing I noticed is I have to start games from a triple screen resolution ie. 6000x1080 in order to get performance fixed in games at the same resolution. If games are started from single screen resolution ie. 1920x1080 I don't get the performance boost.
It is recommended that you disable Surround when you want to run at 1920x0108 (what we call single wide). The performance of running at 1920x1080 with Surround enabled will be less than running at 1920x1080 with Surround disabled.
[quote name='bialy' date='19 April 2011 - 07:29 AM' timestamp='1303216172' post='1227131']
After installation of new drivers I had same problems with surround mode. To be able to make it work I had to switch DVI cables. I had all monitors connected to one GTX 590 and now DVI cables are connected “in line†Two cables plugged into the first card and third cables plugged into the second one. I’m wondering if this change is intentional or it is a bug.
The correct procedure to run GTX 590 Quad SLI is to always connect two DVI to one card, and one DVI to the other card. If you were connecting all to a single card, its possible you may have only been utilizing the performance of one card.
The correct connection diagrams are here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dv-system-requirements-surround-technology.html
[quote name='bialy' date='19 April 2011 - 07:29 AM' timestamp='1303216172' post='1227131']
After installation of new drivers I had same problems with surround mode. To be able to make it work I had to switch DVI cables. I had all monitors connected to one GTX 590 and now DVI cables are connected “in line†Two cables plugged into the first card and third cables plugged into the second one. I’m wondering if this change is intentional or it is a bug.
Intel Core i7 930 (3.36Ghz - 4Ghz) + Corsair Hydro Series H50 CPU Cooler
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
Evga 590 SLI + Evga 550Ti
Corsair XMS (1600) 12GB Memory (6X2GB)
Crucial RealSSD C300 (256GB)
Thermaltake Spedo Full Tower
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W (W0133RU)
3x Alenware Aw2310 23"
Nvidia 3D Vision
Hi
The correct procedure to run GTX 590 Quad SLI is to always connect two DVI to one card, and one DVI to the other card. If you were connecting all to a single card, its possible you may have only been utilizing the performance of one card.
[quote name='stepsbarto' date='19 April 2011 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1303192834' post='1227011']
... activate stereo does work of course, but there are strange huge shadow,fog - whatsoever - artifacts...
as mentioned before in another post ( Skarling: ... driver 267.26 works for me , switched back to it)
[/quote]
Hi
Can you list what games are experiencing the strange halo effects and what in-game settings you are using? (resolution, quality settings, AA, etc)
[quote name='gigamam' date='18 April 2011 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1303181412' post='1226961']
Still have my monitor stuck at 100% brightness after exiting an application (darkspore is what i just used, did it with Starcraft 2 too), only way to fix it is to change my monitor's resolution, keep the change, THEN set my resolution back to normal.
Also still have windows 7 64-bit go to basic color scheme automatically after 3D vision starts for Cyberlink PowerDVD10 and for CoolIris. Also can't use cyberlink in windowed mode still (saw you added windowed support for a lot of stuff, maybe not this?)
Also curious, Darkspore is coming out next week (supposedly), any chance we'll be getting a profile for that game at some point? I'm not getting my hopes up since other maxis games aren't properly supported (not blaming you guys, just saying)
Edit: GTX 260 (BFG maxcore 55 oc2), windows 7 64-bit, viewsonic monitor, amd phenom II X4
[/quote]
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
[quote name='gigamam' date='18 April 2011 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1303181412' post='1226961']
Still have my monitor stuck at 100% brightness after exiting an application (darkspore is what i just used, did it with Starcraft 2 too), only way to fix it is to change my monitor's resolution, keep the change, THEN set my resolution back to normal.
Also still have windows 7 64-bit go to basic color scheme automatically after 3D vision starts for Cyberlink PowerDVD10 and for CoolIris. Also can't use cyberlink in windowed mode still (saw you added windowed support for a lot of stuff, maybe not this?)
Also curious, Darkspore is coming out next week (supposedly), any chance we'll be getting a profile for that game at some point? I'm not getting my hopes up since other maxis games aren't properly supported (not blaming you guys, just saying)
Edit: GTX 260 (BFG maxcore 55 oc2), windows 7 64-bit, viewsonic monitor, amd phenom II X4
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
[quote name='kinghmerlin' date='18 April 2011 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1303153834' post='1226712']
Still not working license 3DTV.
[/quote]
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
[quote name='MorlockGod' date='18 April 2011 - 05:22 PM' timestamp='1303165376' post='1226824']
[u][b]4:3 ASPECT RATIO BUG[/b][/u]
As posted in the beta topic, all my Surround resolutions are messed up.
I can get native resolution across my three 16:10 (1920x1200) monitors, but every other resolution is created in unusable 4:3 ratio.
There is also no work-around for this because trying to create custom resolutions from the ControlPanel fails every time.
[i](An additional annoyance, that has never been fixed, is that when entering/exiting Surround mode the ControlPanel
always sets my monitor order as 1:3:2 instead of 2:1:3, and resets the bezel correct figure to zero every time).[/i]
Can Nvidia please acknowledge this 4:3 problem so I have hope of using Surround mode with the next driver.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 April 2011 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1303225122' post='1227195']
Hi
This is the first i have heard of this problem. I will investigate it.
[/quote]
Thanks for the reply Andrew.
All resolutions and aspect ratios are available in '3x single screen' mode (16:10, 16:9, 4:3), but only 4:3 in Surround mode.
I have tried installing normally and the newer 'clean' way, with the same result.
[quote name='Domingo_X' date='18 April 2011 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1303166854' post='1226840']
3DTV Play still doesn't work for me either. The license info displays correctly under System Information/Licenses, but there's no way to enable it and the control panel keeps trying to tell me to buy it. There's no 3DTV Play logo and no options related to it available.
I'm on a GTX570 with a GTS250 for PhysX. I bought 3DTV Play from the Nvidia website.
This is the exact same issue from the 270.51 betas. I've uninstalled both the drivers and 3DTV Play and rebooted several times, too.
[/quote]
Hi
Please provide me more details
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
[quote name='Domingo_X' date='18 April 2011 - 05:47 PM' timestamp='1303166854' post='1226840']
3DTV Play still doesn't work for me either. The license info displays correctly under System Information/Licenses, but there's no way to enable it and the control panel keeps trying to tell me to buy it. There's no 3DTV Play logo and no options related to it available.
I'm on a GTX570 with a GTS250 for PhysX. I bought 3DTV Play from the Nvidia website.
This is the exact same issue from the 270.51 betas. I've uninstalled both the drivers and 3DTV Play and rebooted several times, too.
Hi
Please provide me more details
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
[quote name='MorlockGod' date='19 April 2011 - 10:11 AM' timestamp='1303225913' post='1227201']
Thanks for the reply Andrew.
All resolutions and aspect ratios are available in '3x single screen' mode (16:10, 16:9, 4:3), but only 4:3 in Surround mode.
I have tried installing normally and the newer 'clean' way, with the same result.
[/quote]
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 April 2011 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1303226349' post='1227213']
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
[/quote]
All digital, 3x DVI cables:
Two outside panels (Samsung SM2443's) connected through two dual link DVI cables to one GTX460(2GB) and one middle panel (Dell U2410) connected through a dual-link DVI cable to the other GTX460(2GB).
(Needless to say it's the same physical setup and connections as with previous drivers that don't produce this ratio problem).
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 April 2011 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1303226349' post='1227213']
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
All digital, 3x DVI cables:
Two outside panels (Samsung SM2443's) connected through two dual link DVI cables to one GTX460(2GB) and one middle panel (Dell U2410) connected through a dual-link DVI cable to the other GTX460(2GB).
(Needless to say it's the same physical setup and connections as with previous drivers that don't produce this ratio problem).
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 April 2011 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1303224662' post='1227189']
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
[/quote]
270.51 Issue with Darksiders not working with left eye in 3d is fixed with these drivers. Issue with BenQ XL2410T not returning to standard mode on desktop after using 3d is fixed with these drivers.
266.58 issue with windows live mail crashing when 3d is enabled is fixed with these drivers.
Excelent! :)
270.51 Issue with Darksiders not working with left eye in 3d is fixed with these drivers. Issue with BenQ XL2410T not returning to standard mode on desktop after using 3d is fixed with these drivers.
266.58 issue with windows live mail crashing when 3d is enabled is fixed with these drivers.
Drivers are great for me. No more BSODs. Performance is also awesome in triple screen. Alienware brightness is fixed too. Only thing I noticed is I have to start games from a triple screen resolution ie. 6000x1080 in order to get performance fixed in games at the same resolution. If games are started from single screen resolution ie. 1920x1080 I don't get the performance boost.
Setup: intel i7, 480gtx sli, aw2310x3, 3dvision surround.
[/quote]
Hi
It is recommended that you disable Surround when you want to run at 1920x0108 (what we call single wide). The performance of running at 1920x1080 with Surround enabled will be less than running at 1920x1080 with Surround disabled.
Drivers are great for me. No more BSODs. Performance is also awesome in triple screen. Alienware brightness is fixed too. Only thing I noticed is I have to start games from a triple screen resolution ie. 6000x1080 in order to get performance fixed in games at the same resolution. If games are started from single screen resolution ie. 1920x1080 I don't get the performance boost.
Setup: intel i7, 480gtx sli, aw2310x3, 3dvision surround.
Hi
It is recommended that you disable Surround when you want to run at 1920x0108 (what we call single wide). The performance of running at 1920x1080 with Surround enabled will be less than running at 1920x1080 with Surround disabled.
After installation of new drivers I had same problems with surround mode. To be able to make it work I had to switch DVI cables. I had all monitors connected to one GTX 590 and now DVI cables are connected “in line†Two cables plugged into the first card and third cables plugged into the second one. I’m wondering if this change is intentional or it is a bug.
Intel Core i7 930 (3.36Ghz - 4Ghz) + Corsair Hydro Series H50 CPU Cooler
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
Evga 590 SLI + Evga 550Ti
Corsair XMS (1600) 12GB Memory (6X2GB)
Crucial RealSSD C300 (256GB)
Thermaltake Spedo Full Tower
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W (W0133RU)
3x Alenware Aw2310 23"
Nvidia 3D Vision
[/quote]
Hi
The correct procedure to run GTX 590 Quad SLI is to always connect two DVI to one card, and one DVI to the other card. If you were connecting all to a single card, its possible you may have only been utilizing the performance of one card.
The correct connection diagrams are here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dv-system-requirements-surround-technology.html
After installation of new drivers I had same problems with surround mode. To be able to make it work I had to switch DVI cables. I had all monitors connected to one GTX 590 and now DVI cables are connected “in line†Two cables plugged into the first card and third cables plugged into the second one. I’m wondering if this change is intentional or it is a bug.
Intel Core i7 930 (3.36Ghz - 4Ghz) + Corsair Hydro Series H50 CPU Cooler
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7
Evga 590 SLI + Evga 550Ti
Corsair XMS (1600) 12GB Memory (6X2GB)
Crucial RealSSD C300 (256GB)
Thermaltake Spedo Full Tower
Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W (W0133RU)
3x Alenware Aw2310 23"
Nvidia 3D Vision
Hi
The correct procedure to run GTX 590 Quad SLI is to always connect two DVI to one card, and one DVI to the other card. If you were connecting all to a single card, its possible you may have only been utilizing the performance of one card.
The correct connection diagrams are here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dv-system-requirements-surround-technology.html
... activate stereo does work of course, but there are strange huge shadow,fog - whatsoever - artifacts...
as mentioned before in another post ( Skarling: ... driver 267.26 works for me , switched back to it)
[/quote]
Hi
Can you list what games are experiencing the strange halo effects and what in-game settings you are using? (resolution, quality settings, AA, etc)
... activate stereo does work of course, but there are strange huge shadow,fog - whatsoever - artifacts...
as mentioned before in another post ( Skarling: ... driver 267.26 works for me , switched back to it)
Hi
Can you list what games are experiencing the strange halo effects and what in-game settings you are using? (resolution, quality settings, AA, etc)
Still have my monitor stuck at 100% brightness after exiting an application (darkspore is what i just used, did it with Starcraft 2 too), only way to fix it is to change my monitor's resolution, keep the change, THEN set my resolution back to normal.
Also still have windows 7 64-bit go to basic color scheme automatically after 3D vision starts for Cyberlink PowerDVD10 and for CoolIris. Also can't use cyberlink in windowed mode still (saw you added windowed support for a lot of stuff, maybe not this?)
Also curious, Darkspore is coming out next week (supposedly), any chance we'll be getting a profile for that game at some point? I'm not getting my hopes up since other maxis games aren't properly supported (not blaming you guys, just saying)
Edit: GTX 260 (BFG maxcore 55 oc2), windows 7 64-bit, viewsonic monitor, amd phenom II X4
[/quote]
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
Still have my monitor stuck at 100% brightness after exiting an application (darkspore is what i just used, did it with Starcraft 2 too), only way to fix it is to change my monitor's resolution, keep the change, THEN set my resolution back to normal.
Also still have windows 7 64-bit go to basic color scheme automatically after 3D vision starts for Cyberlink PowerDVD10 and for CoolIris. Also can't use cyberlink in windowed mode still (saw you added windowed support for a lot of stuff, maybe not this?)
Also curious, Darkspore is coming out next week (supposedly), any chance we'll be getting a profile for that game at some point? I'm not getting my hopes up since other maxis games aren't properly supported (not blaming you guys, just saying)
Edit: GTX 260 (BFG maxcore 55 oc2), windows 7 64-bit, viewsonic monitor, amd phenom II X4
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
Still not working license 3DTV.
[/quote]
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
Still not working license 3DTV.
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
I can't change my TV's resolution now -_-
[/quote]
Can you provide more details? Where are you trying to change the resolution? Is there an error message?
I can't change my TV's resolution now -_-
Can you provide more details? Where are you trying to change the resolution? Is there an error message?
[u][b]4:3 ASPECT RATIO BUG[/b][/u]
As posted in the beta topic, all my Surround resolutions are messed up.
I can get native resolution across my three 16:10 (1920x1200) monitors, but every other resolution is created in unusable 4:3 ratio.
There is also no work-around for this because trying to create custom resolutions from the ControlPanel fails every time.
[i](An additional annoyance, that has never been fixed, is that when entering/exiting Surround mode the ControlPanel
always sets my monitor order as 1:3:2 instead of 2:1:3, and resets the bezel correct figure to zero every time).[/i]
Can Nvidia please acknowledge this 4:3 problem so I have hope of using Surround mode with the next driver.
___________________________________________________________________________________________
SYSTEM: Win7x64, i7, 6GB RAM, 2*GTX460(2GB), [Samsung SM2443 + Dell U2410 + Samsung SM2443]
GTX460: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E22&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
[/quote]
Hi
This is the first i have heard of this problem. I will investigate it.
4:3 ASPECT RATIO BUG
As posted in the beta topic, all my Surround resolutions are messed up.
I can get native resolution across my three 16:10 (1920x1200) monitors, but every other resolution is created in unusable 4:3 ratio.
There is also no work-around for this because trying to create custom resolutions from the ControlPanel fails every time.
(An additional annoyance, that has never been fixed, is that when entering/exiting Surround mode the ControlPanel
always sets my monitor order as 1:3:2 instead of 2:1:3, and resets the bezel correct figure to zero every time).
Can Nvidia please acknowledge this 4:3 problem so I have hope of using Surround mode with the next driver.
___________________________________________________________________________________________
SYSTEM: Win7x64, i7, 6GB RAM, 2*GTX460(2GB), [Samsung SM2443 + Dell U2410 + Samsung SM2443]
GTX460: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E22&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1
Hi
This is the first i have heard of this problem. I will investigate it.
Hi
This is the first i have heard of this problem. I will investigate it.
[/quote]
Thanks for the reply Andrew.
All resolutions and aspect ratios are available in '3x single screen' mode (16:10, 16:9, 4:3), but only 4:3 in Surround mode.
I have tried installing normally and the newer 'clean' way, with the same result.
Hi
This is the first i have heard of this problem. I will investigate it.
Thanks for the reply Andrew.
All resolutions and aspect ratios are available in '3x single screen' mode (16:10, 16:9, 4:3), but only 4:3 in Surround mode.
I have tried installing normally and the newer 'clean' way, with the same result.
3DTV Play still doesn't work for me either. The license info displays correctly under System Information/Licenses, but there's no way to enable it and the control panel keeps trying to tell me to buy it. There's no 3DTV Play logo and no options related to it available.
I'm on a GTX570 with a GTS250 for PhysX. I bought 3DTV Play from the Nvidia website.
This is the exact same issue from the 270.51 betas. I've uninstalled both the drivers and 3DTV Play and rebooted several times, too.
[/quote]
Hi
Please provide me more details
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
3DTV Play still doesn't work for me either. The license info displays correctly under System Information/Licenses, but there's no way to enable it and the control panel keeps trying to tell me to buy it. There's no 3DTV Play logo and no options related to it available.
I'm on a GTX570 with a GTS250 for PhysX. I bought 3DTV Play from the Nvidia website.
This is the exact same issue from the 270.51 betas. I've uninstalled both the drivers and 3DTV Play and rebooted several times, too.
Hi
Please provide me more details
Please provide more details:
- What is the model of your 3DTV?
- Did you purchase 3DTV Play or are you using your emitter to unlock it?
- Are you using a desktop or notebook GPU?
- What does the NVIDIA Control Panel > Stereoscopic 3D > Set up stereoscopic 3D list as the Display Type? Does it say HDMI 1.4 3DTV or 3DTV Play?
- What exactly doesnt work? You cant play games in 3D?
Thanks for the reply Andrew.
All resolutions and aspect ratios are available in '3x single screen' mode (16:10, 16:9, 4:3), but only 4:3 in Surround mode.
I have tried installing normally and the newer 'clean' way, with the same result.
[/quote]
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
Thanks for the reply Andrew.
All resolutions and aspect ratios are available in '3x single screen' mode (16:10, 16:9, 4:3), but only 4:3 in Surround mode.
I have tried installing normally and the newer 'clean' way, with the same result.
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
[/quote]
All digital, 3x DVI cables:
Two outside panels (Samsung SM2443's) connected through two dual link DVI cables to one GTX460(2GB) and one middle panel (Dell U2410) connected through a dual-link DVI cable to the other GTX460(2GB).
(Needless to say it's the same physical setup and connections as with previous drivers that don't produce this ratio problem).
Can you confirm if you are using all digital or analog connectors, or both? Are there digital to analog adapters you are using?
All digital, 3x DVI cables:
Two outside panels (Samsung SM2443's) connected through two dual link DVI cables to one GTX460(2GB) and one middle panel (Dell U2410) connected through a dual-link DVI cable to the other GTX460(2GB).
(Needless to say it's the same physical setup and connections as with previous drivers that don't produce this ratio problem).
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
[/quote]
Thanks for the response,
I've got the Viewsonic 2265wm
Darkspore has issues with the game that the developer may not fix.
Can you please list the exact monitor from ViewSonic that is experiencing the brightness problem?
Thanks for the response,
I've got the Viewsonic 2265wm
266.58 issue with windows live mail crashing when 3d is enabled is fixed with these drivers.
Excelent! :)
266.58 issue with windows live mail crashing when 3d is enabled is fixed with these drivers.
Excelent! :)
minor minor issue - 3d test is captured to 32fps since the first 270 beta
will continue to test as i've only played New Vegas so far
minor minor issue - 3d test is captured to 32fps since the first 270 beta
will continue to test as i've only played New Vegas so far
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