4D - The next big thing? People have sucessfully made 4-Dimensional Geometry
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How would it impact modern gaming? And what do you think it would look like when combined with 3D Vision (or would it make 3D Vision obsolete)?
Hypercubes, Hyperspheres, Hyper Pyramids, Klien Bottles, Mobius Strips, Hyper-Voxels (Hyper-Cubical Pixels), you name it! They might completely change the way we play games.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WyreE9ZkI&feature=endscreen&NR=1"]Hypercube Example (Tesseract)[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMMKceXeExY&feature=related"]Hypercube Example 2 (Penteract)[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqfwPQvb7KA&feature=related"]Hypersphere Example[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IUnqm8j4BE&feature=watch_response"]4-D Snake[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5OgCgj1UoE"]How to Draw a Hypercube[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klien_bottle"]Klien Bottle[/url] (equivelant to a 5-D Mobius Strip)
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip"]Mobius Strip[/url]
I am not sure how to make a Model of a Hypercube, but it would have alot of potential.
As for a 5-Dimensional Hypercube, you just make a Hypercube out of Hypercubes.
How would it impact modern gaming? And what do you think it would look like when combined with 3D Vision (or would it make 3D Vision obsolete)?
Hypercubes, Hyperspheres, Hyper Pyramids, Klien Bottles, Mobius Strips, Hyper-Voxels (Hyper-Cubical Pixels), you name it! They might completely change the way we play games.
I don't think you really understand what a hypercube is or grasp the concept of what 4+ dimensional space is (excluding time), otherwise you'd see how silly your first question is.
I don't think you really understand what a hypercube is or grasp the concept of what 4+ dimensional space is (excluding time), otherwise you'd see how silly your first question is.
[quote name='Exposed' date='11 December 2011 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1323651652' post='1340941']
I don't think you really understand what a hypercube is or grasp the concept of what 4+ dimensional space is (excluding time), otherwise you'd see how silly your first question is.
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I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
Your statement saying that I don't understand the grasp of the concept also applies to every other human being (including you). This is a 3D Universe, which menas we can't understand a 4D Universe without some serious help.
Besides, I fixed my post. It now contains a better question.
[quote name='Exposed' date='11 December 2011 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1323651652' post='1340941']
I don't think you really understand what a hypercube is or grasp the concept of what 4+ dimensional space is (excluding time), otherwise you'd see how silly your first question is.
I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
Your statement saying that I don't understand the grasp of the concept also applies to every other human being (including you). This is a 3D Universe, which menas we can't understand a 4D Universe without some serious help.
Besides, I fixed my post. It now contains a better question.
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You can adequately visually depict any physical object in the 4 dimensions already in use in 3D gaming. We use all three static dimensions and time. The next major breakthroughs will probably be though interacting with other senses via force feedback or smellovision. Gaming immersion is limited to two senses of five currently and with rudimentary support for a third. Fully engaging touch, smell, and taste are the next level.
You can adequately visually depict any physical object in the 4 dimensions already in use in 3D gaming. We use all three static dimensions and time. The next major breakthroughs will probably be though interacting with other senses via force feedback or smellovision. Gaming immersion is limited to two senses of five currently and with rudimentary support for a third. Fully engaging touch, smell, and taste are the next level.
Well to answer your question, it wouldn't affect 3D gaming because it wouldn't apply. Those images you see are mathamatical constructs designed to help illustrate 4 dimensional objects intersecting 3 dimensional space. They have no other relevance other than this fact, because you and I are 3 dimensional beings that will never be able to observe 4 dimensional embedded objects.
An analogy commonly used in the scientific community is to imagine what a 3 dimensional sphere looks like when intersecting a 2 dimensional plane. As the sphere (or ball) initially crossed the 2D plane, it would look (to a 2 dimensional being) as a point, gradually increasing to a circle as the ball "passes through", and eventually collapses back into a point as the ball exits the 2D plane. A 2 dimensional being would never be able to comprehend or observe that "true" 3 dimensional sphere or ball, except mathametically. Those tesseract videos are doing the same thing, except they're depicting a 4 dimensional object intersecting a 3 dimensional space.
Hopefully this clears as to why this has absolutely no relevance to 3D gaming, because it makes no sense to invoke such a relation.
Well to answer your question, it wouldn't affect 3D gaming because it wouldn't apply. Those images you see are mathamatical constructs designed to help illustrate 4 dimensional objects intersecting 3 dimensional space. They have no other relevance other than this fact, because you and I are 3 dimensional beings that will never be able to observe 4 dimensional embedded objects.
An analogy commonly used in the scientific community is to imagine what a 3 dimensional sphere looks like when intersecting a 2 dimensional plane. As the sphere (or ball) initially crossed the 2D plane, it would look (to a 2 dimensional being) as a point, gradually increasing to a circle as the ball "passes through", and eventually collapses back into a point as the ball exits the 2D plane. A 2 dimensional being would never be able to comprehend or observe that "true" 3 dimensional sphere or ball, except mathametically. Those tesseract videos are doing the same thing, except they're depicting a 4 dimensional object intersecting a 3 dimensional space.
Hopefully this clears as to why this has absolutely no relevance to 3D gaming, because it makes no sense to invoke such a relation.
4d viewed in 3d works conceptually, but in actual action it would be an incomprehensible mess, with objects seemingly warping as we view a slice of its geometry in our 3 dimensions.
4d viewed in 3d works conceptually, but in actual action it would be an incomprehensible mess, with objects seemingly warping as we view a slice of its geometry in our 3 dimensions.
Think of the increase of information as you progress from a 2D image to a 3D world. With two dimensions you have height and width and you can do cool stuff with that. But add the 3rd, depth, you have all our percevable universe ahs to offer, from subatomic particals to buses to gaming etc.
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
IIRC, string theorists understand the universe to be composed of strings which require nine dimensions to contain them. Imagine a being able to percieve 9 dimensions...
Think of the increase of information as you progress from a 2D image to a 3D world. With two dimensions you have height and width and you can do cool stuff with that. But add the 3rd, depth, you have all our percevable universe ahs to offer, from subatomic particals to buses to gaming etc.
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
IIRC, string theorists understand the universe to be composed of strings which require nine dimensions to contain them. Imagine a being able to percieve 9 dimensions...
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[quote name='andysonofbob' date='12 December 2011 - 11:36 AM' timestamp='1323711360' post='1341253']
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
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Many scientists agree on time being #4, and I'm among those in agreement. We could go significantly deeper down this rabbit hole, but it begins to look both incredibly religious and incredibly hippie-ish simultaneously if you aren't keeping up with the mathematical constructs.
[quote name='andysonofbob' date='12 December 2011 - 11:36 AM' timestamp='1323711360' post='1341253']
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
Many scientists agree on time being #4, and I'm among those in agreement. We could go significantly deeper down this rabbit hole, but it begins to look both incredibly religious and incredibly hippie-ish simultaneously if you aren't keeping up with the mathematical constructs.
[quote name='Luke_SLI' date='12 December 2011 - 07:02 AM' timestamp='1323694924' post='1341139']
Actually, you're wrong. Your perception of it is only contain 3 dimensions.
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+1
We see a 4th too. Even though our minds place time into a static series it's a constant dimension.
Further spacial dimensions are usually represented as a variable (such as "w"). You can actually have any number of dimensions in a "virtual" world, the math just becomes increasingly difficult the more you add.
String theory relies on 10 dimensions (or 11 for M theory), but these dimensions are tightly curled and reside much smaller than a Planck length, so even if these dimensions truly existed, they would not be perceptible on our scale.
Further spacial dimensions are usually represented as a variable (such as "w"). You can actually have any number of dimensions in a "virtual" world, the math just becomes increasingly difficult the more you add.
String theory relies on 10 dimensions (or 11 for M theory), but these dimensions are tightly curled and reside much smaller than a Planck length, so even if these dimensions truly existed, they would not be perceptible on our scale.
This isn't really related to stereoscopy and i'm not sure if it ever will find a place in a game either. However it would be nice if someone made a graphic plugin for a player with these! /cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cool:' />
This isn't really related to stereoscopy and i'm not sure if it ever will find a place in a game either. However it would be nice if someone made a graphic plugin for a player with these! /cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cool:' />
[quote name='Amaroq Dricaldari' date='11 December 2011 - 05:42 PM' timestamp='1323654134' post='1340960']
I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
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No, you hilariously don't, or you wouldn't be asking questions as utterly meaningless and nonsensical as "Is 4D the next big thing". That's like asking "are X-rays the next big thing in gaming?!" Well, uhhhh, I guess x-rays are like a real thing and stuff, but we obviously have no way to perceive them, so how would that add to the value of any sort of multimedia experience? ....and wait, aren't we in a forum about stereoscopic gaming?!
I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
No, you hilariously don't, or you wouldn't be asking questions as utterly meaningless and nonsensical as "Is 4D the next big thing". That's like asking "are X-rays the next big thing in gaming?!" Well, uhhhh, I guess x-rays are like a real thing and stuff, but we obviously have no way to perceive them, so how would that add to the value of any sort of multimedia experience? ....and wait, aren't we in a forum about stereoscopic gaming?!
Hypercubes, Hyperspheres, Hyper Pyramids, Klien Bottles, Mobius Strips, Hyper-Voxels (Hyper-Cubical Pixels), you name it! They might completely change the way we play games.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WyreE9ZkI&feature=endscreen&NR=1"]Hypercube Example (Tesseract)[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMMKceXeExY&feature=related"]Hypercube Example 2 (Penteract)[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqfwPQvb7KA&feature=related"]Hypersphere Example[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IUnqm8j4BE&feature=watch_response"]4-D Snake[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5OgCgj1UoE"]How to Draw a Hypercube[/url]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klien_bottle"]Klien Bottle[/url] (equivelant to a 5-D Mobius Strip)
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip"]Mobius Strip[/url]
I am not sure how to make a Model of a Hypercube, but it would have alot of potential.
As for a 5-Dimensional Hypercube, you just make a Hypercube out of Hypercubes.
Hypercubes, Hyperspheres, Hyper Pyramids, Klien Bottles, Mobius Strips, Hyper-Voxels (Hyper-Cubical Pixels), you name it! They might completely change the way we play games.
;feature=endscreen&NR=1" rel="nofollow" target = "_blank">Hypercube Example (Tesseract)
;feature=related" rel="nofollow" target = "_blank">Hypercube Example 2 (Penteract)
;feature=related" rel="nofollow" target = "_blank">Hypersphere Example
;feature=watch_response" rel="nofollow" target = "_blank">4-D Snake
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Klien Bottle (equivelant to a 5-D Mobius Strip)
Mobius Strip
I am not sure how to make a Model of a Hypercube, but it would have alot of potential.
As for a 5-Dimensional Hypercube, you just make a Hypercube out of Hypercubes.
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I don't think you really understand what a hypercube is or grasp the concept of what 4+ dimensional space is (excluding time), otherwise you'd see how silly your first question is.
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I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
Your statement saying that I don't understand the grasp of the concept also applies to every other human being (including you). This is a 3D Universe, which menas we can't understand a 4D Universe without some serious help.
Besides, I fixed my post. It now contains a better question.
I don't think you really understand what a hypercube is or grasp the concept of what 4+ dimensional space is (excluding time), otherwise you'd see how silly your first question is.
I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
Your statement saying that I don't understand the grasp of the concept also applies to every other human being (including you). This is a 3D Universe, which menas we can't understand a 4D Universe without some serious help.
Besides, I fixed my post. It now contains a better question.
Oh, it feels so right to dream under the stars
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An analogy commonly used in the scientific community is to imagine what a 3 dimensional sphere looks like when intersecting a 2 dimensional plane. As the sphere (or ball) initially crossed the 2D plane, it would look (to a 2 dimensional being) as a point, gradually increasing to a circle as the ball "passes through", and eventually collapses back into a point as the ball exits the 2D plane. A 2 dimensional being would never be able to comprehend or observe that "true" 3 dimensional sphere or ball, except mathametically. Those tesseract videos are doing the same thing, except they're depicting a 4 dimensional object intersecting a 3 dimensional space.
Hopefully this clears as to why this has absolutely no relevance to 3D gaming, because it makes no sense to invoke such a relation.
An analogy commonly used in the scientific community is to imagine what a 3 dimensional sphere looks like when intersecting a 2 dimensional plane. As the sphere (or ball) initially crossed the 2D plane, it would look (to a 2 dimensional being) as a point, gradually increasing to a circle as the ball "passes through", and eventually collapses back into a point as the ball exits the 2D plane. A 2 dimensional being would never be able to comprehend or observe that "true" 3 dimensional sphere or ball, except mathametically. Those tesseract videos are doing the same thing, except they're depicting a 4 dimensional object intersecting a 3 dimensional space.
Hopefully this clears as to why this has absolutely no relevance to 3D gaming, because it makes no sense to invoke such a relation.
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Actually, you're wrong. Your perception of it is only contain 3 dimensions.
Actually, you're wrong. Your perception of it is only contain 3 dimensions.
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Yup,
Think of the increase of information as you progress from a 2D image to a 3D world. With two dimensions you have height and width and you can do cool stuff with that. But add the 3rd, depth, you have all our percevable universe ahs to offer, from subatomic particals to buses to gaming etc.
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
IIRC, string theorists understand the universe to be composed of strings which require nine dimensions to contain them. Imagine a being able to percieve 9 dimensions...
Yup,
Think of the increase of information as you progress from a 2D image to a 3D world. With two dimensions you have height and width and you can do cool stuff with that. But add the 3rd, depth, you have all our percevable universe ahs to offer, from subatomic particals to buses to gaming etc.
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
IIRC, string theorists understand the universe to be composed of strings which require nine dimensions to contain them. Imagine a being able to percieve 9 dimensions...
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I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
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Many scientists agree on time being #4, and I'm among those in agreement. We could go significantly deeper down this rabbit hole, but it begins to look both incredibly religious and incredibly hippie-ish simultaneously if you aren't keeping up with the mathematical constructs.
I think it is staggering to consider the information jump into the 4th dimension. We can percieve height, width, depth; what's the forth one called?
Many scientists agree on time being #4, and I'm among those in agreement. We could go significantly deeper down this rabbit hole, but it begins to look both incredibly religious and incredibly hippie-ish simultaneously if you aren't keeping up with the mathematical constructs.
Done.
Actually, you're wrong. Your perception of it is only contain 3 dimensions.
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+1
We see a 4th too. Even though our minds place time into a static series it's a constant dimension.
Actually, you're wrong. Your perception of it is only contain 3 dimensions.
+1
We see a 4th too. Even though our minds place time into a static series it's a constant dimension.
Done.
String theory relies on 10 dimensions (or 11 for M theory), but these dimensions are tightly curled and reside much smaller than a Planck length, so even if these dimensions truly existed, they would not be perceptible on our scale.
String theory relies on 10 dimensions (or 11 for M theory), but these dimensions are tightly curled and reside much smaller than a Planck length, so even if these dimensions truly existed, they would not be perceptible on our scale.
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I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
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No, you hilariously don't, or you wouldn't be asking questions as utterly meaningless and nonsensical as "Is 4D the next big thing". That's like asking "are X-rays the next big thing in gaming?!" Well, uhhhh, I guess x-rays are like a real thing and stuff, but we obviously have no way to perceive them, so how would that add to the value of any sort of multimedia experience? ....and wait, aren't we in a forum about stereoscopic gaming?!
I actually do understand, thank you very much. Or, I understand as much as anyone else could possibly understand.
No, you hilariously don't, or you wouldn't be asking questions as utterly meaningless and nonsensical as "Is 4D the next big thing". That's like asking "are X-rays the next big thing in gaming?!" Well, uhhhh, I guess x-rays are like a real thing and stuff, but we obviously have no way to perceive them, so how would that add to the value of any sort of multimedia experience? ....and wait, aren't we in a forum about stereoscopic gaming?!