Nivida 3DTV play software?
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If the TV has VGA input could you send a signal that the TV can do 1080p / 60Hz?
If the TV has VGA input could you send a signal that the TV can do 1080p / 60Hz?

Posted 12/03/2010 03:22 PM   
[quote name='FriedGoat' date='03 December 2010 - 03:09 AM' timestamp='1291370961' post='1155212']
HDTV, samsung c750
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So with tridef, you set in game to 60 hz refresh and 1920x1080, and it plays in full 3D@ 60 frames per second per eye? According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, there is insufficient bandwidth (throughput) to do full 1080P at this refresh. What game are you using to do this?
[quote name='FriedGoat' date='03 December 2010 - 03:09 AM' timestamp='1291370961' post='1155212']

HDTV, samsung c750



So with tridef, you set in game to 60 hz refresh and 1920x1080, and it plays in full 3D@ 60 frames per second per eye? According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, there is insufficient bandwidth (throughput) to do full 1080P at this refresh. What game are you using to do this?

Posted 12/03/2010 05:17 PM   
What they need to do is forget this project. Its obvious they are not able to complete it as a standalone product. Apologise and move on. At least that allows us as consumers to get on with our lives and look at alternatives without holding back for this phantom software. What they cant do is, come out with a bullshet statement saying that 3d play will be out in two weeks or something because nobody in their right mind will take that seriously.
What they need to do is forget this project. Its obvious they are not able to complete it as a standalone product. Apologise and move on. At least that allows us as consumers to get on with our lives and look at alternatives without holding back for this phantom software. What they cant do is, come out with a bullshet statement saying that 3d play will be out in two weeks or something because nobody in their right mind will take that seriously.

Posted 12/03/2010 05:21 PM   
ok nvidia i understand if you cant get all the bugs fixed and it still needs work that fine. but the complete lack of information given and the fact you havent even held your hands up and said sorry its just stupid and just makes ATI more apealing. i see andrew has been about but refuses to come in and let us know what the Fcuk is going on ???
ok nvidia i understand if you cant get all the bugs fixed and it still needs work that fine. but the complete lack of information given and the fact you havent even held your hands up and said sorry its just stupid and just makes ATI more apealing. i see andrew has been about but refuses to come in and let us know what the Fcuk is going on ???

Posted 12/03/2010 06:08 PM   
[quote name='icyred64' date='02 December 2010 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1291292038' post='1154713']
Ok, so Nvidia Vision kit supports 1080p/120hz on Monitors, Why can't it do it with tv's?[/quote]


As far as I know there is no tv that supports 120hz, tvs that say they do use motion interpolation, look it up. You will not find the words "motion interpolation" easily but i can guarantee that is what the tv is doing. If you google your tv you will likely find information that supports my claim.
Motion interpolation looks great to some (self included) its my favorite feature of my samsung 4071F. It smooths of action sequences makes it look liquid smooth. But all that aside, it is not a true 120hz. I believe its the same as the 600hz "sub field" drive on panasonic plasmas. The tv inserts extra frames while watching. Now why don't tv manufacturers offer tvs with TRUE 120hz? Probably because its cheaper to use motion interpolation and label it as 120hz.

I don't work for nvidia but I wouldn't want to address a bunch of irate keyboard warriors if I did. Keep it calm people, if you can't buy it off the shelf then y so angry?
[quote name='icyred64' date='02 December 2010 - 12:13 PM' timestamp='1291292038' post='1154713']

Ok, so Nvidia Vision kit supports 1080p/120hz on Monitors, Why can't it do it with tv's?





As far as I know there is no tv that supports 120hz, tvs that say they do use motion interpolation, look it up. You will not find the words "motion interpolation" easily but i can guarantee that is what the tv is doing. If you google your tv you will likely find information that supports my claim.

Motion interpolation looks great to some (self included) its my favorite feature of my samsung 4071F. It smooths of action sequences makes it look liquid smooth. But all that aside, it is not a true 120hz. I believe its the same as the 600hz "sub field" drive on panasonic plasmas. The tv inserts extra frames while watching. Now why don't tv manufacturers offer tvs with TRUE 120hz? Probably because its cheaper to use motion interpolation and label it as 120hz.



I don't work for nvidia but I wouldn't want to address a bunch of irate keyboard warriors if I did. Keep it calm people, if you can't buy it off the shelf then y so angry?

Posted 12/03/2010 07:13 PM   
I don't work for nvidia but I wouldn't want to address a bunch of irate keyboard warriors if I did. Keep it calm people, if you can't buy it off the shelf then y so angry?

were angry because they have broken 2 release dates and there has been Fcuk all feedback
I don't work for nvidia but I wouldn't want to address a bunch of irate keyboard warriors if I did. Keep it calm people, if you can't buy it off the shelf then y so angry?



were angry because they have broken 2 release dates and there has been Fcuk all feedback

Posted 12/03/2010 08:05 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='03 December 2010 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1291396659' post='1155280']
So with tridef, you set in game to 60 hz refresh and 1920x1080, and it plays in full 3D@ 60 frames per second per eye? According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, there is insufficient bandwidth (throughput) to do full 1080P at this refresh. What game are you using to do this?
[/quote]

No idea, all i know is im using my HDTV at 1080p in 3d and its smooth as silk and looks fantastic, and im now happy :D dont even need 3dtv play. Only thing is i need to wait for direct x 11 support to play just cause 2, but playing that at 1080p BARGAIN! if you have a samsung just get tridef people!
[quote name='roller11' date='03 December 2010 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1291396659' post='1155280']

So with tridef, you set in game to 60 hz refresh and 1920x1080, and it plays in full 3D@ 60 frames per second per eye? According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, there is insufficient bandwidth (throughput) to do full 1080P at this refresh. What game are you using to do this?





No idea, all i know is im using my HDTV at 1080p in 3d and its smooth as silk and looks fantastic, and im now happy :D dont even need 3dtv play. Only thing is i need to wait for direct x 11 support to play just cause 2, but playing that at 1080p BARGAIN! if you have a samsung just get tridef people!

Posted 12/03/2010 09:01 PM   
[quote name='FriedGoat' date='03 December 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1291410094' post='1155392']
No idea, all i know is im using my HDTV at 1080p in 3d and its smooth as silk and looks fantastic, and im now happy :D dont even need 3dtv play. Only thing is i need to wait for direct x 11 support to play just cause 2, but playing that at 1080p BARGAIN! if you have a samsung just get tridef people!
[/quote]

oh and i've been playing cod:black ops, dead rising 2, hitman blood money, mafia 2, black and white 2 and they all look awesome!
[quote name='FriedGoat' date='03 December 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1291410094' post='1155392']

No idea, all i know is im using my HDTV at 1080p in 3d and its smooth as silk and looks fantastic, and im now happy :D dont even need 3dtv play. Only thing is i need to wait for direct x 11 support to play just cause 2, but playing that at 1080p BARGAIN! if you have a samsung just get tridef people!





oh and i've been playing cod:black ops, dead rising 2, hitman blood money, mafia 2, black and white 2 and they all look awesome!

Posted 12/03/2010 09:04 PM   
[quote]So with tridef, you set in game to 60 hz refresh and 1920x1080, and it plays in full 3D@ 60 frames per second per eye? According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, there is insufficient bandwidth (throughput) to do full 1080P at this refresh.[/quote]
1080p@60Hz page flipping (Samsung calls it "Frequency" mode in the 3D menu) is actually 30 frames/second per eye, which is considerable better than 24Hz (25%). I'm not sure about Panasonic, but the Samsung HDMI 1.4 HDTVs support this mode.

Don't know if Tridef supports page flipping, but they do support checkerboard in 1080p@60Hz as does iZ3D. And with nVidia 3D vision and a driver prior to 260.xx or the hack described below you can also do checkerboard 1080p@60Hz with 3D vision (setting Generic DLP) or 1080p@60Hz page flipping (30 frames per eye) with the setting "Generic CRT".

Please note that none of these mode produces visible flicker, as the TV inserts extra frames to target 120Hz.

And I found these modes to be superior to what 3DTV Play (beta) delivers.


[quote]Nobsi,
So is this the hack you refered to?

"The checkerboard mode normally requires a sync signal from the the HDTV, otherwise a message overlay "No 3D sync signal" is shown. I got rid of this by a simple USB powered circuit that generates roughly a 60Hz rectangle signal (actually every frequency above 10Hz did work) and feeds this by a 2,5 mm mini stereo jack to the sync-in of the 3D vision emitter. Since the nVidia emitter is not actually used to sync the glasses, the frequency doesn't matter." [/quote]
Yes, it is. But it is only required for checkerboard mode, page flipping doesn't require the sync input (as it was intended for the use with CRTs, which don't have a 3D sync out connector).
So with tridef, you set in game to 60 hz refresh and 1920x1080, and it plays in full 3D@ 60 frames per second per eye? According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, there is insufficient bandwidth (throughput) to do full 1080P at this refresh.


1080p@60Hz page flipping (Samsung calls it "Frequency" mode in the 3D menu) is actually 30 frames/second per eye, which is considerable better than 24Hz (25%). I'm not sure about Panasonic, but the Samsung HDMI 1.4 HDTVs support this mode.



Don't know if Tridef supports page flipping, but they do support checkerboard in 1080p@60Hz as does iZ3D. And with nVidia 3D vision and a driver prior to 260.xx or the hack described below you can also do checkerboard 1080p@60Hz with 3D vision (setting Generic DLP) or 1080p@60Hz page flipping (30 frames per eye) with the setting "Generic CRT".



Please note that none of these mode produces visible flicker, as the TV inserts extra frames to target 120Hz.



And I found these modes to be superior to what 3DTV Play (beta) delivers.





Nobsi,

So is this the hack you refered to?



"The checkerboard mode normally requires a sync signal from the the HDTV, otherwise a message overlay "No 3D sync signal" is shown. I got rid of this by a simple USB powered circuit that generates roughly a 60Hz rectangle signal (actually every frequency above 10Hz did work) and feeds this by a 2,5 mm mini stereo jack to the sync-in of the 3D vision emitter. Since the nVidia emitter is not actually used to sync the glasses, the frequency doesn't matter."


Yes, it is. But it is only required for checkerboard mode, page flipping doesn't require the sync input (as it was intended for the use with CRTs, which don't have a 3D sync out connector).

Posted 12/03/2010 09:46 PM   
[quote name='Nobsi' date='03 December 2010 - 02:46 PM' timestamp='1291412798' post='1155407']

Don't know if Tridef supports page flipping, but they do support checkerboard in 1080p@60Hz as does iZ3D. And with nVidia 3D vision and a driver prior to 260.xx or the hack described below you can also do checkerboard 1080p@60Hz with 3D vision (setting Generic DLP) or 1080p@60Hz page flipping (30 frames per eye) with the setting "Generic CRT".[/quote]So you're saying that if you use drivers prior to 260.xx, no need to use the hardware hack of building a squarewave generator and sending the output to the nvidia emitter? Is the 'old driver' trick what you've done and seen it work, or did you do only the HW hack?

[quote]Please note that none of these mode produces visible flicker, as the TV inserts extra frames to target 120Hz.[/quote]Flicker was never my concern. I care only about the roughness of gaming at 30 frames per eye. I was so dissatisfied with downresed 1280x720 60P, I tried 1920x1080 24P. The image quality was great, but the jerkiness of 24 fps got to me. So now i'm back to 2D because I can't accept the poor image quality of 1280x720, or the jerkiness of 1920x1080. OTOH, I used checkerboard mode on a Mits DLP set at 1920x1080 60, and found like you this is the best compromise. Now I've got this Sony LED 55" set that I can send back to the retailer for a full refund, so I'm considering ditching it and replacing it with a Samsung plasma. My only hesitation is that on a Samsung pn58b560, the 2D desktop quality was awful, so perhaps it is with the 3D ready plasmas too. So it's a gamble replacing the Sony which gets great 2D with a Samsung.
[quote name='Nobsi' date='03 December 2010 - 02:46 PM' timestamp='1291412798' post='1155407']



Don't know if Tridef supports page flipping, but they do support checkerboard in 1080p@60Hz as does iZ3D. And with nVidia 3D vision and a driver prior to 260.xx or the hack described below you can also do checkerboard 1080p@60Hz with 3D vision (setting Generic DLP) or 1080p@60Hz page flipping (30 frames per eye) with the setting "Generic CRT".So you're saying that if you use drivers prior to 260.xx, no need to use the hardware hack of building a squarewave generator and sending the output to the nvidia emitter? Is the 'old driver' trick what you've done and seen it work, or did you do only the HW hack?



Please note that none of these mode produces visible flicker, as the TV inserts extra frames to target 120Hz.
Flicker was never my concern. I care only about the roughness of gaming at 30 frames per eye. I was so dissatisfied with downresed 1280x720 60P, I tried 1920x1080 24P. The image quality was great, but the jerkiness of 24 fps got to me. So now i'm back to 2D because I can't accept the poor image quality of 1280x720, or the jerkiness of 1920x1080. OTOH, I used checkerboard mode on a Mits DLP set at 1920x1080 60, and found like you this is the best compromise. Now I've got this Sony LED 55" set that I can send back to the retailer for a full refund, so I'm considering ditching it and replacing it with a Samsung plasma. My only hesitation is that on a Samsung pn58b560, the 2D desktop quality was awful, so perhaps it is with the 3D ready plasmas too. So it's a gamble replacing the Sony which gets great 2D with a Samsung.

Posted 12/04/2010 12:06 AM   
[quote name='Fox1966' date='02 December 2010 - 04:42 AM' timestamp='1291221775' post='1154250']
I created an account just to make this post...I have been "lurking" in the forums here awhile, reading and anxiously waiting for the release of the software as well to try with my new 3dTV. I honestly expected it to come out before the end of November, but I see that there has been many delays for months now. At the least, it would have been nice to have had an update around November 25th; I feel like the company had to know by then that they weren't going to make the November deadline.

My main reason for this post is to re-enforce what some others have already suggested...there are some alternatives. I got tired of waiting, and decided to try the IZ3d drivers. I have a Panasonic VT20 TV (same as the VT25). I was scared to try drivers from a company I didn't know...but I was willing to immediately fork over the cash for Nvidia's drivers as soon as they came out, because I was familiar with Nvidia, and have trusted them in the past. But, I became frustrated and impatient with Nvidia's delays, so I nervously downloaded the IZ3ds.

I want to let everyone know, (at least if you have a Panasonic TV), that you shouldn't be afraid to go ahead and try the IZ3d drivers. You can easily turn them on/off, and uninstall them without any negative affects to your system (at least, I have seen no negative effects...I don't even know that I have them until I need them).

Select side by side mode in the drivers, make sure your 3dtv is main display screen, and start your game. The IZ3d drivers have a lot of documentation to help, so it made it fairly easy. Only drawback I've found so far is that I have to manually put my TV into 3d mode when the game starts, and some of the games that I've tried with a mouse cursor tend not to work correctly in side by side (Dragons Age Origin's is one I tested, the mouse is all messed up), but other games have worked great, and I was really impressed by the 3d in some of the games. I've been playing Batman:Arkham Asylum and Street Fighter IV the most. Let me tell you, Street Fighter IV looked absolutely incredible! I've got a lot more games that I want to test.

Nvidia should have at least released what they had as a "free trial-open beta test" for everyone, if they couldn't get it ready by this last promised date. From a PR/customer service perspective, that would have been the right thing to do. If they are having problems with the drivers, this would have helped everyone all the way around....more people testing looking for bugs, and everyone having something to at least try on their 3d equipment. It would have kept customers from losing all their faith.

So, if you are frustrated and tired of waiting, try IZ3d. In my experience anyway, I've been pleasantly surprised with how well they work with my Panasonic TV. Like me, I think some of you will give up on Nvidia now anyway, and purchase the IZ3d drivers when you see how well they work. And no, I don't work for IZ3D.....just a frustrated gamer like the rest of you. Maybe this information will help some of you get your 3D gaming fix :)
[/quote]

Hi I too have a vt20 and love it. I downloaded the iz3d program (trial) and updated it but I can't see where you make the 3dtv the main display etc. I'm very new to all this and would greatly appreciate it if you could provide some step by step instruction to help me out. Many thanks
[quote name='Fox1966' date='02 December 2010 - 04:42 AM' timestamp='1291221775' post='1154250']

I created an account just to make this post...I have been "lurking" in the forums here awhile, reading and anxiously waiting for the release of the software as well to try with my new 3dTV. I honestly expected it to come out before the end of November, but I see that there has been many delays for months now. At the least, it would have been nice to have had an update around November 25th; I feel like the company had to know by then that they weren't going to make the November deadline.



My main reason for this post is to re-enforce what some others have already suggested...there are some alternatives. I got tired of waiting, and decided to try the IZ3d drivers. I have a Panasonic VT20 TV (same as the VT25). I was scared to try drivers from a company I didn't know...but I was willing to immediately fork over the cash for Nvidia's drivers as soon as they came out, because I was familiar with Nvidia, and have trusted them in the past. But, I became frustrated and impatient with Nvidia's delays, so I nervously downloaded the IZ3ds.



I want to let everyone know, (at least if you have a Panasonic TV), that you shouldn't be afraid to go ahead and try the IZ3d drivers. You can easily turn them on/off, and uninstall them without any negative affects to your system (at least, I have seen no negative effects...I don't even know that I have them until I need them).



Select side by side mode in the drivers, make sure your 3dtv is main display screen, and start your game. The IZ3d drivers have a lot of documentation to help, so it made it fairly easy. Only drawback I've found so far is that I have to manually put my TV into 3d mode when the game starts, and some of the games that I've tried with a mouse cursor tend not to work correctly in side by side (Dragons Age Origin's is one I tested, the mouse is all messed up), but other games have worked great, and I was really impressed by the 3d in some of the games. I've been playing Batman:Arkham Asylum and Street Fighter IV the most. Let me tell you, Street Fighter IV looked absolutely incredible! I've got a lot more games that I want to test.



Nvidia should have at least released what they had as a "free trial-open beta test" for everyone, if they couldn't get it ready by this last promised date. From a PR/customer service perspective, that would have been the right thing to do. If they are having problems with the drivers, this would have helped everyone all the way around....more people testing looking for bugs, and everyone having something to at least try on their 3d equipment. It would have kept customers from losing all their faith.



So, if you are frustrated and tired of waiting, try IZ3d. In my experience anyway, I've been pleasantly surprised with how well they work with my Panasonic TV. Like me, I think some of you will give up on Nvidia now anyway, and purchase the IZ3d drivers when you see how well they work. And no, I don't work for IZ3D.....just a frustrated gamer like the rest of you. Maybe this information will help some of you get your 3D gaming fix :)





Hi I too have a vt20 and love it. I downloaded the iz3d program (trial) and updated it but I can't see where you make the 3dtv the main display etc. I'm very new to all this and would greatly appreciate it if you could provide some step by step instruction to help me out. Many thanks

Posted 12/04/2010 02:12 AM   
[quote]Now I've got this Sony LED 55" set that I can send back to the retailer for a full refund, so I'm considering ditching it and replacing it with a Samsung plasma[/quote]
So the Sony has no support for none mandatory 3D formats like checkerboard or 60Hz page flipping?
What about Panasonic, LG or Philips, anyone knows?

[quote]So you're saying that if you use drivers prior to 260.xx, no need to use the hardware hack of building a squarewave generator and sending the output to the nvidia emitter? Is the 'old driver' trick what you've done and seen it work, or did you do only the HW hack?[/quote]
I did the hardware hack, but since older drivers don't include the 3DTV play (beta) software, you get the regular 3D vision modes which include checkerboard and page flipping.
Now I've got this Sony LED 55" set that I can send back to the retailer for a full refund, so I'm considering ditching it and replacing it with a Samsung plasma


So the Sony has no support for none mandatory 3D formats like checkerboard or 60Hz page flipping?

What about Panasonic, LG or Philips, anyone knows?



So you're saying that if you use drivers prior to 260.xx, no need to use the hardware hack of building a squarewave generator and sending the output to the nvidia emitter? Is the 'old driver' trick what you've done and seen it work, or did you do only the HW hack?


I did the hardware hack, but since older drivers don't include the 3DTV play (beta) software, you get the regular 3D vision modes which include checkerboard and page flipping.

Posted 12/04/2010 12:15 PM   
[quote name='KIWI501' date='04 December 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1291428732' post='1155483']
Hi I too have a vt20 and love it. I downloaded the iz3d program (trial) and updated it but I can't see where you make the 3dtv the main display etc. I'm very new to all this and would greatly appreciate it if you could provide some step by step instruction to help me out. Many thanks
[/quote]

Hi,

You have to use the Nvidia control panel to make the TV the main display. So you would need to open up your Nvidia control panel, and go in and set up your displays however you would like them, but to play 3d games on the TV you have to choose to make it the main display device. You can then swap them back the same way after you are through playing games (which is what I do). With IZ3d itself, you just turn on stereo (choosing the side by side option), and pick your game from the profile before you launch your game, and make sure that your tv is the main display device at that time. Then when the game starts you should see the screen split in half (same pic on each side), and you then have to manually put your tv into 3d side by side mode, and then you'll get your 3d picture. It just takes some practice to figure things out, and I'm still learning myself as well! :)
[quote name='KIWI501' date='04 December 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1291428732' post='1155483']

Hi I too have a vt20 and love it. I downloaded the iz3d program (trial) and updated it but I can't see where you make the 3dtv the main display etc. I'm very new to all this and would greatly appreciate it if you could provide some step by step instruction to help me out. Many thanks





Hi,



You have to use the Nvidia control panel to make the TV the main display. So you would need to open up your Nvidia control panel, and go in and set up your displays however you would like them, but to play 3d games on the TV you have to choose to make it the main display device. You can then swap them back the same way after you are through playing games (which is what I do). With IZ3d itself, you just turn on stereo (choosing the side by side option), and pick your game from the profile before you launch your game, and make sure that your tv is the main display device at that time. Then when the game starts you should see the screen split in half (same pic on each side), and you then have to manually put your tv into 3d side by side mode, and then you'll get your 3d picture. It just takes some practice to figure things out, and I'm still learning myself as well! :)

Posted 12/04/2010 06:13 PM   
[quote name='Fox1966' date='05 December 2010 - 06:13 AM' timestamp='1291486410' post='1155752']
Hi,

You have to use the Nvidia control panel to make the TV the main display. So you would need to open up your Nvidia control panel, and go in and set up your displays however you would like them, but to play 3d games on the TV you have to choose to make it the main display device. You can then swap them back the same way after you are through playing games (which is what I do). With IZ3d itself, you just turn on stereo (choosing the side by side option), and pick your game from the profile before you launch your game, and make sure that your tv is the main display device at that time. Then when the game starts you should see the screen split in half (same pic on each side), and you then have to manually put your tv into 3d side by side mode, and then you'll get your 3d picture. It just takes some practice to figure things out, and I'm still learning myself as well! :)
[/quote]


Thank you for taking the time to help me out Fox1966, I appreciate it. I'll try doing as you suggest and let you know. I take it that you are using the Panasonic 3d glasses?
[quote name='Fox1966' date='05 December 2010 - 06:13 AM' timestamp='1291486410' post='1155752']

Hi,



You have to use the Nvidia control panel to make the TV the main display. So you would need to open up your Nvidia control panel, and go in and set up your displays however you would like them, but to play 3d games on the TV you have to choose to make it the main display device. You can then swap them back the same way after you are through playing games (which is what I do). With IZ3d itself, you just turn on stereo (choosing the side by side option), and pick your game from the profile before you launch your game, and make sure that your tv is the main display device at that time. Then when the game starts you should see the screen split in half (same pic on each side), and you then have to manually put your tv into 3d side by side mode, and then you'll get your 3d picture. It just takes some practice to figure things out, and I'm still learning myself as well! :)







Thank you for taking the time to help me out Fox1966, I appreciate it. I'll try doing as you suggest and let you know. I take it that you are using the Panasonic 3d glasses?

Posted 12/04/2010 07:43 PM   
I installed the iz3d drivers. launched a game and got "can't find stereo device" and the image was 2D. How do I make it go into 3D?
I installed the iz3d drivers. launched a game and got "can't find stereo device" and the image was 2D. How do I make it go into 3D?

Posted 12/04/2010 08:51 PM   
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