Scientist here, please help! - 3D Vision on 144Hz Monitor through HDMI 2.0?
TLDR: Title says it all!
Hello all,
Scientist here who blundered into the 3D Vision/Optimus conundrum...I recently purchased a 2017 Razer Blade w/ GTX 1060 for modeling work. For those unfamiliar with the problem, basically I have two output ports on the Blade - a Thunderbolt 3 USB-C and an HDMI 2.0. My USB-C is capable of outputting at 120Hz+, but because it goes through the integrated graphics, 3D Vision doesn't recognize my compatible discrete. Fortunately, the HDMI is output directly from the GTX 1060, and...count my lucky stars...HDMI 2.0 is capable of 120Hz @ 1080p.
However, after purchasing an HDMI->DVI adapter and connecting my HDMI output into the DVI input on a 144Hz Asus VG248QE, I run into another problem. The 3D Vision drivers now recognize the 3D ready monitor and discrete graphics, but my refresh rate is capped at 60Hz in both the Windows 10 Diplay Adapter Properties and under Nvidia Control Panel, and 3D Vision fails to finish setup. I believe this is due to the HDMI->DVI signal conversion? But thoughts?
So now I'm looking at an alternative where I run straight HDMI 2.0 on my laptop to an HDMI 2.0 compatible monitor. I know of others who have successfully achieved 120Hz+ using the Blade's HDMI 2.0 port, but no one I know of thus far has tried this with 3D Vision. I know 3D Vision works well with dual link DVI and DisplayPort, but has anyone attempted it with HDMI 2.0?
I guess in other words, assuming the monitor is 120Hz capable and the discrete graphics is recognized, do Nvidia's 3D Vision drivers care about the mode of monitor connectivity?
Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Scientist here who blundered into the 3D Vision/Optimus conundrum...I recently purchased a 2017 Razer Blade w/ GTX 1060 for modeling work. For those unfamiliar with the problem, basically I have two output ports on the Blade - a Thunderbolt 3 USB-C and an HDMI 2.0. My USB-C is capable of outputting at 120Hz+, but because it goes through the integrated graphics, 3D Vision doesn't recognize my compatible discrete. Fortunately, the HDMI is output directly from the GTX 1060, and...count my lucky stars...HDMI 2.0 is capable of 120Hz @ 1080p.
However, after purchasing an HDMI->DVI adapter and connecting my HDMI output into the DVI input on a 144Hz Asus VG248QE, I run into another problem. The 3D Vision drivers now recognize the 3D ready monitor and discrete graphics, but my refresh rate is capped at 60Hz in both the Windows 10 Diplay Adapter Properties and under Nvidia Control Panel, and 3D Vision fails to finish setup. I believe this is due to the HDMI->DVI signal conversion? But thoughts?
So now I'm looking at an alternative where I run straight HDMI 2.0 on my laptop to an HDMI 2.0 compatible monitor. I know of others who have successfully achieved 120Hz+ using the Blade's HDMI 2.0 port, but no one I know of thus far has tried this with 3D Vision. I know 3D Vision works well with dual link DVI and DisplayPort, but has anyone attempted it with HDMI 2.0?
I guess in other words, assuming the monitor is 120Hz capable and the discrete graphics is recognized, do Nvidia's 3D Vision drivers care about the mode of monitor connectivity?
Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Engineer chiming in...
Interesting experiment and question!
For what it's worth, I am running DVI-D from Graphics card > DVI-D to HDMI cable > old HDMI protocol port on projector. I have a feeling that your problem is some kind of bandwidth limitation on your HDMI->DVI adaptor. You could try one of higher calibre with advertised bandwidth. Are you sure it is DVI Dual link?
Does it allow you to play 800x600 at over 60Hz?
The best thing to do in the future, assuming you like 3D Vision, and there is no reason a scientist type would not; is to get a 3D Vision laptop for portable 3D vision on the go. Maybe you can still return it :)
For what it's worth, I am running DVI-D from Graphics card > DVI-D to HDMI cable > old HDMI protocol port on projector. I have a feeling that your problem is some kind of bandwidth limitation on your HDMI->DVI adaptor. You could try one of higher calibre with advertised bandwidth. Are you sure it is DVI Dual link?
Does it allow you to play 800x600 at over 60Hz?
The best thing to do in the future, assuming you like 3D Vision, and there is no reason a scientist type would not; is to get a 3D Vision laptop for portable 3D vision on the go. Maybe you can still return it :)
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Hi there, thank you for the input! 800x600 nets me 75Hz max, so unfortunately still not enough for 3D Vision. And yes, I believe the HDMI to DVI adapter is dual link, if the Amazon descriptions are to be believed (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HP9T2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).
I did look into the "3D Notebooks" listed on Nvidia's site, but unfortunately those are pretty dated and would struggle to run some of our projects. We currently run several desktop 3D Vision setups in our facility, and I couldn't be happier with those...just trying to replicate that with the Blade.
Any other experience, real or theoretical, out there?
I did look into the "3D Notebooks" listed on Nvidia's site, but unfortunately those are pretty dated and would struggle to run some of our projects. We currently run several desktop 3D Vision setups in our facility, and I couldn't be happier with those...just trying to replicate that with the Blade.
Any other experience, real or theoretical, out there?
Oh, I thought you had an active adaptor. Those passive things won't work, and I do not believe anyone makes active adaptors for HDMI 2.0 to DVI Dual Link due to low demand.
Since you already have a VG248QE, and you won't be able to make that portable, perhaps upgrade or build a new desktop system for 3D Vision capability?
What kind of modelling supports 3D Vision? As far as I know, only KeyShot added support, after I pestered them about it for a while.
Unfortunately 3D Vision section is outdated. I have a GTX 770M Alienware which isn't listed on the nvidia compatibility list. You might be able to inf hack your laptop display driver to make it 3d Vision compatible, assuming that it supports 120Hz.
Oh, I thought you had an active adaptor. Those passive things won't work, and I do not believe anyone makes active adaptors for HDMI 2.0 to DVI Dual Link due to low demand.
Since you already have a VG248QE, and you won't be able to make that portable, perhaps upgrade or build a new desktop system for 3D Vision capability?
What kind of modelling supports 3D Vision? As far as I know, only KeyShot added support, after I pestered them about it for a while.
Unfortunately 3D Vision section is outdated. I have a GTX 770M Alienware which isn't listed on the nvidia compatibility list. You might be able to inf hack your laptop display driver to make it 3d Vision compatible, assuming that it supports 120Hz.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Ahh I see, I was afraid that might be the case. I had a hard time finding proper HDMI->DP converters as well, which I guess would also have to be active.
I'm a structural biologist, so my lab does a lot of large scale atomic/molecular modeling, mostly with UCSF Chimera or COOT. Stuff like this: (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/eaam6892). 3D Vision is pretty much a godsend in our field.
Ahh I see, I was afraid that might be the case. I had a hard time finding proper HDMI->DP converters as well, which I guess would also have to be active.
I'm a structural biologist, so my lab does a lot of large scale atomic/molecular modeling, mostly with UCSF Chimera or COOT. Stuff like this: (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/eaam6892). 3D Vision is pretty much a godsend in our field.
To me, the Razor Blade would be a questionable choice for your work. The GPU is 1060, roughly comparable to a GTX 980 is not bad, but you can do better. The CPU however is really underpowered for your work. The laptop CPUs tend to be crippled, and topping out at 3.8GHz with a 6M cache is going to really hurt your CPU bound scenarios.
Unless of course you absolutely need the portability, which is the big tradeoff that you are making.
If you really need the portability, you are better off lugging around some of the other beasts like the Clevo/Sager laptops where you can get desktop parts like an i7-7700K and GTX 1080.
If you only need portable for non-workload scenarios, you could also add the Razer Core, which would allow you to run a better GPU, but also importantly get you a direct connection off of a desktop GTX part. I'm not certain if 3D Vision works through the Core, haven't heard anyone try it.
To me, the Razor Blade would be a questionable choice for your work. The GPU is 1060, roughly comparable to a GTX 980 is not bad, but you can do better. The CPU however is really underpowered for your work. The laptop CPUs tend to be crippled, and topping out at 3.8GHz with a 6M cache is going to really hurt your CPU bound scenarios.
Unless of course you absolutely need the portability, which is the big tradeoff that you are making.
If you really need the portability, you are better off lugging around some of the other beasts like the Clevo/Sager laptops where you can get desktop parts like an i7-7700K and GTX 1080.
If you only need portable for non-workload scenarios, you could also add the Razer Core, which would allow you to run a better GPU, but also importantly get you a direct connection off of a desktop GTX part. I'm not certain if 3D Vision works through the Core, haven't heard anyone try it.
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Hello there, thank you for the feedback. Yes, I was going for the portability, for which the Blade is pretty hard to beat. For jobs that I really can't run, I can use the desktops in our facility. But in retrospect, now knowing the whole conflict between 3D Vision and Optimus, I should have sprung for a laptop that has a direct discrete graphics connection through mini-DP or something.
The Core is certainly a last-ditch option, and as you mentioned, has several direct discrete graphics connection options (the Blade does too, just only through the HDMI 2.0, unfortunately), so I'm fairly certain it would work.
But I'm trying not to go there possible, as that's another not insignificant investment. Anyone else care to chime in? Or perhaps has 3D Vision and an HDMI 2.0 compatible computer and monitor lying around they can hook up and try out?...if you want my eternal gratitude :)
Hello there, thank you for the feedback. Yes, I was going for the portability, for which the Blade is pretty hard to beat. For jobs that I really can't run, I can use the desktops in our facility. But in retrospect, now knowing the whole conflict between 3D Vision and Optimus, I should have sprung for a laptop that has a direct discrete graphics connection through mini-DP or something.
The Core is certainly a last-ditch option, and as you mentioned, has several direct discrete graphics connection options (the Blade does too, just only through the HDMI 2.0, unfortunately), so I'm fairly certain it would work.
But I'm trying not to go there possible, as that's another not insignificant investment. Anyone else care to chime in? Or perhaps has 3D Vision and an HDMI 2.0 compatible computer and monitor lying around they can hook up and try out?...if you want my eternal gratitude :)
3D Vision works on DVI-D (Dual link) and doesn't work on DVI. DVI connector has 2x9 pins in digital field (DVI also has old analog VGA RGB and sync signals in separated 4 pin + 1 flat ground pin). DVI-D has to have full sized 24 pin connector. So if your adapter has 2x9 pins on digital field this means that it only DVI and doesn't acceptable for 3D Vision. But if it has 24 pins this fact doesn't mean that there isn't bandwidth bottleneck inside adapter and it's still only DVI
3D Vision works on DVI-D (Dual link) and doesn't work on DVI. DVI connector has 2x9 pins in digital field (DVI also has old analog VGA RGB and sync signals in separated 4 pin + 1 flat ground pin). DVI-D has to have full sized 24 pin connector. So if your adapter has 2x9 pins on digital field this means that it only DVI and doesn't acceptable for 3D Vision. But if it has 24 pins this fact doesn't mean that there isn't bandwidth bottleneck inside adapter and it's still only DVI
Hello all,
Scientist here who blundered into the 3D Vision/Optimus conundrum...I recently purchased a 2017 Razer Blade w/ GTX 1060 for modeling work. For those unfamiliar with the problem, basically I have two output ports on the Blade - a Thunderbolt 3 USB-C and an HDMI 2.0. My USB-C is capable of outputting at 120Hz+, but because it goes through the integrated graphics, 3D Vision doesn't recognize my compatible discrete. Fortunately, the HDMI is output directly from the GTX 1060, and...count my lucky stars...HDMI 2.0 is capable of 120Hz @ 1080p.
However, after purchasing an HDMI->DVI adapter and connecting my HDMI output into the DVI input on a 144Hz Asus VG248QE, I run into another problem. The 3D Vision drivers now recognize the 3D ready monitor and discrete graphics, but my refresh rate is capped at 60Hz in both the Windows 10 Diplay Adapter Properties and under Nvidia Control Panel, and 3D Vision fails to finish setup. I believe this is due to the HDMI->DVI signal conversion? But thoughts?
So now I'm looking at an alternative where I run straight HDMI 2.0 on my laptop to an HDMI 2.0 compatible monitor. I know of others who have successfully achieved 120Hz+ using the Blade's HDMI 2.0 port, but no one I know of thus far has tried this with 3D Vision. I know 3D Vision works well with dual link DVI and DisplayPort, but has anyone attempted it with HDMI 2.0?
I guess in other words, assuming the monitor is 120Hz capable and the discrete graphics is recognized, do Nvidia's 3D Vision drivers care about the mode of monitor connectivity?
Any pointers or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Interesting experiment and question!
For what it's worth, I am running DVI-D from Graphics card > DVI-D to HDMI cable > old HDMI protocol port on projector. I have a feeling that your problem is some kind of bandwidth limitation on your HDMI->DVI adaptor. You could try one of higher calibre with advertised bandwidth. Are you sure it is DVI Dual link?
Does it allow you to play 800x600 at over 60Hz?
The best thing to do in the future, assuming you like 3D Vision, and there is no reason a scientist type would not; is to get a 3D Vision laptop for portable 3D vision on the go. Maybe you can still return it :)
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
I did look into the "3D Notebooks" listed on Nvidia's site, but unfortunately those are pretty dated and would struggle to run some of our projects. We currently run several desktop 3D Vision setups in our facility, and I couldn't be happier with those...just trying to replicate that with the Blade.
Any other experience, real or theoretical, out there?
Since you already have a VG248QE, and you won't be able to make that portable, perhaps upgrade or build a new desktop system for 3D Vision capability?
What kind of modelling supports 3D Vision? As far as I know, only KeyShot added support, after I pestered them about it for a while.
Unfortunately 3D Vision section is outdated. I have a GTX 770M Alienware which isn't listed on the nvidia compatibility list. You might be able to inf hack your laptop display driver to make it 3d Vision compatible, assuming that it supports 120Hz.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
I'm a structural biologist, so my lab does a lot of large scale atomic/molecular modeling, mostly with UCSF Chimera or COOT. Stuff like this: (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/eaam6892). 3D Vision is pretty much a godsend in our field.
Unless of course you absolutely need the portability, which is the big tradeoff that you are making.
If you really need the portability, you are better off lugging around some of the other beasts like the Clevo/Sager laptops where you can get desktop parts like an i7-7700K and GTX 1080.
If you only need portable for non-workload scenarios, you could also add the Razer Core, which would allow you to run a better GPU, but also importantly get you a direct connection off of a desktop GTX part. I'm not certain if 3D Vision works through the Core, haven't heard anyone try it.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
The Core is certainly a last-ditch option, and as you mentioned, has several direct discrete graphics connection options (the Blade does too, just only through the HDMI 2.0, unfortunately), so I'm fairly certain it would work.
But I'm trying not to go there possible, as that's another not insignificant investment. Anyone else care to chime in? Or perhaps has 3D Vision and an HDMI 2.0 compatible computer and monitor lying around they can hook up and try out?...if you want my eternal gratitude :)