Warning.. ALL Asus VG278H monitor owner, please check yours
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Room temperature between 10 and 15° Celsius?! Wow. I hope that the gaming is really heating you up :)

[font="Verdana"]I'm still convinced that the [size=2]VG278H[/size][size=2] problems are thrown out of proportion. I just don't want to spend €550 at this moment, that's all. [/size][/font]
Room temperature between 10 and 15° Celsius?! Wow. I hope that the gaming is really heating you up :)



I'm still convinced that the VG278H problems are thrown out of proportion. I just don't want to spend €550 at this moment, that's all.

Posted 01/28/2012 08:13 AM   
I understand your thoughts. I think it's just a matter of choice and taste, nothing more than that. I've been waiting for a long time for a 27" LED GLOSSY display with true 120hz and 3D and unfortunatelly the only one that showed up, Samsung, isn't 3D Vision supported product. Asus and Acer and any other 27" 3D Vision Ready displays all have matte screens with heavy anti glare coating, and for that main reason, more important than the displays design, I picked Samsung. I think Samsung offers a better, much better product in all aspects. And let me make one thing clear, I support Nvidia all the way, I love their products, I have 2 3D Vision glasses, 1 kit and extra pair and I intend to keep my Nvidia 3D emitter 4ever. I just think Nvidia is too short on it's list of nice 27" 3D displays. Always the same nasty sparkle matte screens, cheap plastic poor design. Those monitors are Not Nvidia's products, they are just officially supported products, and I'm still using my 2 GTX 480 and Nvidia emitter, so I'm still supporting the green fairy team like all of you.

I just want to use the best 3D technology for gaming in the World (Nvidia's 3D Vision) with the most attractive 27" 120hz display in the world, and that's Samsung in my opinion.
I understand your thoughts. I think it's just a matter of choice and taste, nothing more than that. I've been waiting for a long time for a 27" LED GLOSSY display with true 120hz and 3D and unfortunatelly the only one that showed up, Samsung, isn't 3D Vision supported product. Asus and Acer and any other 27" 3D Vision Ready displays all have matte screens with heavy anti glare coating, and for that main reason, more important than the displays design, I picked Samsung. I think Samsung offers a better, much better product in all aspects. And let me make one thing clear, I support Nvidia all the way, I love their products, I have 2 3D Vision glasses, 1 kit and extra pair and I intend to keep my Nvidia 3D emitter 4ever. I just think Nvidia is too short on it's list of nice 27" 3D displays. Always the same nasty sparkle matte screens, cheap plastic poor design. Those monitors are Not Nvidia's products, they are just officially supported products, and I'm still using my 2 GTX 480 and Nvidia emitter, so I'm still supporting the green fairy team like all of you.



I just want to use the best 3D technology for gaming in the World (Nvidia's 3D Vision) with the most attractive 27" 120hz display in the world, and that's Samsung in my opinion.

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Posted 01/29/2012 12:41 AM   
+2 ASUS Owner. Me and a buddy each won the VG278H at the Nvidia Lan in October and both our Monitors look and perform great. I had to run out and pick up a set of 560Ti's to power it, but for the most part it is leaps and bounds better than the passive LG I was using before it. The only thing I dislike is Nvidia 3D Vision seems to almost have less true support in games than the TriDef drivers I was using beforehand. The 120Hz ability of the monitor however is more than worth it alone for when 3D isn't a working option.
+2 ASUS Owner. Me and a buddy each won the VG278H at the Nvidia Lan in October and both our Monitors look and perform great. I had to run out and pick up a set of 560Ti's to power it, but for the most part it is leaps and bounds better than the passive LG I was using before it. The only thing I dislike is Nvidia 3D Vision seems to almost have less true support in games than the TriDef drivers I was using beforehand. The 120Hz ability of the monitor however is more than worth it alone for when 3D isn't a working option.

Posted 02/06/2012 05:46 PM   
[quote name='IM0001' date='06 February 2012 - 12:46 PM' timestamp='1328550405' post='1365983']
+2 ASUS Owner. Me and a buddy each won the VG278H at the Nvidia Lan in October and both our Monitors look and perform great. I had to run out and pick up a set of 560Ti's to power it, but for the most part it is leaps and bounds better than the passive LG I was using before it. The only thing I dislike is Nvidia 3D Vision seems to almost have less true support in games than the TriDef drivers I was using beforehand. The 120Hz ability of the monitor however is more than worth it alone for when 3D isn't a working option.
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For gaming I love VG278H, I think that's the best monitor for that.
But for playing a 3D film, my passive LG (47LW5600) is really better.
The image leaves out of the screen (I prefer the passive technology for this reason).
The black of my 47LW5600 is really dark comparing to VG278H and I prefer the passive glasses (glasses are lighter and many persons can see the TV in 3D).
Active technology is better for gaming, passive technology is better for TV and 3D film...
[quote name='IM0001' date='06 February 2012 - 12:46 PM' timestamp='1328550405' post='1365983']

+2 ASUS Owner. Me and a buddy each won the VG278H at the Nvidia Lan in October and both our Monitors look and perform great. I had to run out and pick up a set of 560Ti's to power it, but for the most part it is leaps and bounds better than the passive LG I was using before it. The only thing I dislike is Nvidia 3D Vision seems to almost have less true support in games than the TriDef drivers I was using beforehand. The 120Hz ability of the monitor however is more than worth it alone for when 3D isn't a working option.



For gaming I love VG278H, I think that's the best monitor for that.

But for playing a 3D film, my passive LG (47LW5600) is really better.

The image leaves out of the screen (I prefer the passive technology for this reason).

The black of my 47LW5600 is really dark comparing to VG278H and I prefer the passive glasses (glasses are lighter and many persons can see the TV in 3D).

Active technology is better for gaming, passive technology is better for TV and 3D film...

Posted 02/06/2012 06:14 PM   
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='06 February 2012 - 10:14 AM' timestamp='1328552073' post='1366004']
For gaming I love VG278H, I think that's the best monitor for that.
But for playing a 3D film, my passive LG (47LW5600) is really better.
[b]The image leaves out of the screen (I prefer the passive technology for this reason).[/b]The black of my 47LW5600 is really dark comparing to VG278H and I prefer the passive glasses (glasses are lighter and many persons can see the TV in 3D).
Active technology is better for gaming, passive technology is better for TV and 3D film...
[/quote]


Eh? I am guessing you are saying the image "pops out" so to speak?

I had the passive LG and while its 3D' worked, it was far from a perfect pop out look. Could just be the monitor. Same goes though for the passive LG TV's I have had time to sit and watch. The TV's are definitly better than my budget LG monitor, but besides the fact that it is cheaper and easier to do the passive setup, Movies off my PS3 to the Active monitor just look downright breathtaking. Passive is getting better for sure (and either passive or no glasses is really the true future that need to be perfected) but it still has a bit to go before it passes up active.

For real movie enjoyment, I plan to soon get a Panasonic VT based Plasma and well, enjoy 3D at its finest. /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='06 February 2012 - 10:14 AM' timestamp='1328552073' post='1366004']

For gaming I love VG278H, I think that's the best monitor for that.

But for playing a 3D film, my passive LG (47LW5600) is really better.

The image leaves out of the screen (I prefer the passive technology for this reason).The black of my 47LW5600 is really dark comparing to VG278H and I prefer the passive glasses (glasses are lighter and many persons can see the TV in 3D).

Active technology is better for gaming, passive technology is better for TV and 3D film...







Eh? I am guessing you are saying the image "pops out" so to speak?



I had the passive LG and while its 3D' worked, it was far from a perfect pop out look. Could just be the monitor. Same goes though for the passive LG TV's I have had time to sit and watch. The TV's are definitly better than my budget LG monitor, but besides the fact that it is cheaper and easier to do the passive setup, Movies off my PS3 to the Active monitor just look downright breathtaking. Passive is getting better for sure (and either passive or no glasses is really the true future that need to be perfected) but it still has a bit to go before it passes up active.



For real movie enjoyment, I plan to soon get a Panasonic VT based Plasma and well, enjoy 3D at its finest. /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Posted 02/06/2012 06:39 PM   
[quote name='IM0001' date='06 February 2012 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1328553571' post='1366024']
Eh? I am guessing you are saying the image "pops out" so to speak?

I had the passive LG and while its 3D' worked, it was far from a perfect pop out look. Could just be the monitor. Same goes though for the passive LG TV's I have had time to sit and watch. The TV's are definitly better than my budget LG monitor, but besides the fact that it is cheaper and easier to do the passive setup, Movies off my PS3 to the Active monitor just look downright breathtaking. Passive is getting better for sure (and either passive or no glasses is really the true future that need to be perfected) but it still has a bit to go before it passes up active.

For real movie enjoyment, I plan to soon get a Panasonic VT based Plasma and well, enjoy 3D at its finest. /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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> Eh? I am guessing you are saying the image "pops out" so to speak?
Yes sorry, english is not my primary language.. :)

The passive 3D is just more real, more smooth without any crosstalk (always on my 47LW5600...)
I think that the active glasses will be removed from the market within 2 years maximum..
Then good luck to try to sell your TV with active glasses after that...

With the 4K definition, it's sure than the passive technology will be used for all TV.
[quote name='IM0001' date='06 February 2012 - 01:39 PM' timestamp='1328553571' post='1366024']

Eh? I am guessing you are saying the image "pops out" so to speak?



I had the passive LG and while its 3D' worked, it was far from a perfect pop out look. Could just be the monitor. Same goes though for the passive LG TV's I have had time to sit and watch. The TV's are definitly better than my budget LG monitor, but besides the fact that it is cheaper and easier to do the passive setup, Movies off my PS3 to the Active monitor just look downright breathtaking. Passive is getting better for sure (and either passive or no glasses is really the true future that need to be perfected) but it still has a bit to go before it passes up active.



For real movie enjoyment, I plan to soon get a Panasonic VT based Plasma and well, enjoy 3D at its finest. /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



> Eh? I am guessing you are saying the image "pops out" so to speak?

Yes sorry, english is not my primary language.. :)



The passive 3D is just more real, more smooth without any crosstalk (always on my 47LW5600...)

I think that the active glasses will be removed from the market within 2 years maximum..

Then good luck to try to sell your TV with active glasses after that...



With the 4K definition, it's sure than the passive technology will be used for all TV.

Posted 02/06/2012 06:48 PM   
I noticed Newegg has had the VG278H back in stock now for several days. I wonder if they are ones with the backlight problem fixed? I would be curious as to the manufacturing date on these being sold. Would be nice if Asus could say, "yep..it's fixed now" but I don't expect that. I would love to check out this monitor and compare it to my Acer HR274H polarized monitor.

Also I think regardless of resolution, Passives will always have a problem combining L & R eye at close distance on light colors thus producing the "half resolution" effect that many people have trouble articulating the problem correctly, because it takes a while to determine what the actual problem is.
I wonder if some later technology could fuzz the horizontal line gap together on those lighter colors that we see at close distance?
I noticed Newegg has had the VG278H back in stock now for several days. I wonder if they are ones with the backlight problem fixed? I would be curious as to the manufacturing date on these being sold. Would be nice if Asus could say, "yep..it's fixed now" but I don't expect that. I would love to check out this monitor and compare it to my Acer HR274H polarized monitor.



Also I think regardless of resolution, Passives will always have a problem combining L & R eye at close distance on light colors thus producing the "half resolution" effect that many people have trouble articulating the problem correctly, because it takes a while to determine what the actual problem is.

I wonder if some later technology could fuzz the horizontal line gap together on those lighter colors that we see at close distance?

Posted 02/14/2012 03:25 PM   
I purchased in late December and don't see any of the aformentioned issues (when using typical settings).
I stopping short of saying that some were on a witch hunt, If I adjust the settings to max, and then adjust the control panel color controls also to max I can partly replicate the issues, but in doing so the display is far too bright to be able to view for any duration. When I return to normal settings, I find the display produces a stable clear image with no artifacts, whites are pure, blacks are deep black, colors are vivid and 3d is a joy to experience.
I don't have any reservations about my purchase and would suggest this monitor to any one who desires to upgrade to 3d.
I purchased in late December and don't see any of the aformentioned issues (when using typical settings).

I stopping short of saying that some were on a witch hunt, If I adjust the settings to max, and then adjust the control panel color controls also to max I can partly replicate the issues, but in doing so the display is far too bright to be able to view for any duration. When I return to normal settings, I find the display produces a stable clear image with no artifacts, whites are pure, blacks are deep black, colors are vivid and 3d is a joy to experience.

I don't have any reservations about my purchase and would suggest this monitor to any one who desires to upgrade to 3d.

Posted 02/14/2012 04:22 PM   
Alright so I got my second try at the monitor purchasing it from a local retailer to be more safe and it works like a charm. Its a bad ass monitor and I am able to max Crysis 2 in ultra 60fps solid. Very impressed with the 3D from this monitor. Note to you guys that want to buy it online, your practically taking a chance because mine was defected and I had to spend more money to RMA it. If you can get it from a local retailer so you can easily replace it. Other than that very satisfied with this monitor.
Alright so I got my second try at the monitor purchasing it from a local retailer to be more safe and it works like a charm. Its a bad ass monitor and I am able to max Crysis 2 in ultra 60fps solid. Very impressed with the 3D from this monitor. Note to you guys that want to buy it online, your practically taking a chance because mine was defected and I had to spend more money to RMA it. If you can get it from a local retailer so you can easily replace it. Other than that very satisfied with this monitor.

Posted 02/15/2012 04:21 AM   
the problem with buying locally is the added cost of sales tax and usually a higher net cost then online. with newegg's free shipping, and a typically lower cost than local and no sales tax it's a gamble I was willing to take, however there have been times I purchased a item that was defective but not worth the cost to ship back for replacement. Newegg used to pay for return shipping but no more. moral of the story, buy the 5 and dime items locally and save the hi tax rate items for on line. btw: I'm paying 14% sales tax so for a $700 monitor it's another $100 to the state, toss in an hour or 2 spent in driving parking etc, and cost of fuel, suddenly online shopping make a lot more sense.
the problem with buying locally is the added cost of sales tax and usually a higher net cost then online. with newegg's free shipping, and a typically lower cost than local and no sales tax it's a gamble I was willing to take, however there have been times I purchased a item that was defective but not worth the cost to ship back for replacement. Newegg used to pay for return shipping but no more. moral of the story, buy the 5 and dime items locally and save the hi tax rate items for on line. btw: I'm paying 14% sales tax so for a $700 monitor it's another $100 to the state, toss in an hour or 2 spent in driving parking etc, and cost of fuel, suddenly online shopping make a lot more sense.

Posted 02/15/2012 06:19 PM   
Re: S27A950D
[quote name='chiz' date='27 January 2012 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1327687058' post='1361449']
Nvidia has again, actively tried to close this loophole after the R285 drivers by eliminating generic CRT support. There's a few large threads on this, particularly upset are the people who were using the feature to support older (legitimate) CRT models like the FW900.
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That is dirty pool. I was browsing around for 120Hz monitors, and this is disappointing to find out. My respect for nVIDIA has gone down. I know something similar they did in the past was disable PhysX with a GeForce card when a Radeon was the primary video card.

In the past I've always favored nVIDIA since they seem to care more than ATI with graphics drivers. ATI driver installation for instance was always annoying years ago, but they have improved a great deal. But if it's not one thing with nVIDIA it's another thing with AMD with not being able to use CrossFire in HD3D mode - or having the mouse pointer disappear or some other crazy stuff I've read about.

I'd like another tier one 27-inch 120Hz LCD instead of Asus or Samsung (or Acer).
Re: S27A950D

[quote name='chiz' date='27 January 2012 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1327687058' post='1361449']

Nvidia has again, actively tried to close this loophole after the R285 drivers by eliminating generic CRT support. There's a few large threads on this, particularly upset are the people who were using the feature to support older (legitimate) CRT models like the FW900.



That is dirty pool. I was browsing around for 120Hz monitors, and this is disappointing to find out. My respect for nVIDIA has gone down. I know something similar they did in the past was disable PhysX with a GeForce card when a Radeon was the primary video card.



In the past I've always favored nVIDIA since they seem to care more than ATI with graphics drivers. ATI driver installation for instance was always annoying years ago, but they have improved a great deal. But if it's not one thing with nVIDIA it's another thing with AMD with not being able to use CrossFire in HD3D mode - or having the mouse pointer disappear or some other crazy stuff I've read about.



I'd like another tier one 27-inch 120Hz LCD instead of Asus or Samsung (or Acer).

Posted 02/17/2012 01:05 AM   
As an update, I've had my ASUS VG278h (Australian stock) for 2 weeks now with no emitter problems, backlight bleeding or the backlight halo effect. All good, and fantastic monitor!
As an update, I've had my ASUS VG278h (Australian stock) for 2 weeks now with no emitter problems, backlight bleeding or the backlight halo effect. All good, and fantastic monitor!

Posted 02/17/2012 12:00 PM   
[quote name='The Jedi' date='17 February 2012 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1329440732' post='1370521']
Re: S27A950D

That is dirty pool. I was browsing around for 120Hz monitors, and this is disappointing to find out. My respect for nVIDIA has gone down. I know something similar they did in the past was disable PhysX with a GeForce card when a Radeon was the primary video card.

In the past I've always favored nVIDIA since they seem to care more than ATI with graphics drivers. ATI driver installation for instance was always annoying years ago, but they have improved a great deal. But if it's not one thing with nVIDIA it's another thing with AMD with not being able to use CrossFire in HD3D mode - or having the mouse pointer disappear or some other crazy stuff I've read about.

I'd like another tier one 27-inch 120Hz LCD instead of Asus or Samsung (or Acer).
[/quote]

Yes, that totally sucks!!!! I don't understand Nvidia move, really. There are a lot folks that still use CRT models to play 3D, and even the ones that use Samsung new 3D models still have to own the 3D Vision kit to have 3D Vision support for this monitor, so why screw us???? Why I have to buy certified 3D Vision inferior displays to be able to use 3D Vision??? I'm not asking for suppport, I know its a workaround to use Samsung with 3DV and it's not supported, but leave Generic CRT mode where it's been since 3D Vision has been released. Nvidia already defeated the so called "emulator" with the latest beta drivers and I understand that, it's a pirated software and Nvidia did what they had to do. But if 3D Vision kit owners are able to use Samsung S27A950D in Generic CRT mode, having the 3D Vision emitter connected to their PC, what is the problem??? We may not use Nvidia glasses, but we still must have the Nvidia emitter connected to our PCs.
Why I have to buy Asus or the new Acer??? Why can't I play 3D Vision games with superior quality using a nice 27" LED GLOSSY screen, why I'm doomed to use matte screens??? I see no point for their block to Generic CRT mode?

Getting rid of the "emulator" was a smart move from Nvidia, I totally support them for this action, but doing the same to Generic CRT mode was a desrespect to many 3DV loyal users, a low move in my opinion.

Owners of 2010 Samsung 3D LED and Plasma HDTV's can use Rollermod to have access to 3D Vision instead of 3DTV Play. We can play games in 1080p60hz = 30fps in Generic CRT mode which is far superior to Frame Packing 1080p24hz = 24fps. Now using the latest beta drivers, we can no longer use CRT mode and use this feature. I can't believe Nvidia did that, they just screwed with so many users, users that are loyal to Nvidia, that buy their cards, 3D Vision kits.

There will be always workarounds, always...
[quote name='The Jedi' date='17 February 2012 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1329440732' post='1370521']

Re: S27A950D



That is dirty pool. I was browsing around for 120Hz monitors, and this is disappointing to find out. My respect for nVIDIA has gone down. I know something similar they did in the past was disable PhysX with a GeForce card when a Radeon was the primary video card.



In the past I've always favored nVIDIA since they seem to care more than ATI with graphics drivers. ATI driver installation for instance was always annoying years ago, but they have improved a great deal. But if it's not one thing with nVIDIA it's another thing with AMD with not being able to use CrossFire in HD3D mode - or having the mouse pointer disappear or some other crazy stuff I've read about.



I'd like another tier one 27-inch 120Hz LCD instead of Asus or Samsung (or Acer).





Yes, that totally sucks!!!! I don't understand Nvidia move, really. There are a lot folks that still use CRT models to play 3D, and even the ones that use Samsung new 3D models still have to own the 3D Vision kit to have 3D Vision support for this monitor, so why screw us???? Why I have to buy certified 3D Vision inferior displays to be able to use 3D Vision??? I'm not asking for suppport, I know its a workaround to use Samsung with 3DV and it's not supported, but leave Generic CRT mode where it's been since 3D Vision has been released. Nvidia already defeated the so called "emulator" with the latest beta drivers and I understand that, it's a pirated software and Nvidia did what they had to do. But if 3D Vision kit owners are able to use Samsung S27A950D in Generic CRT mode, having the 3D Vision emitter connected to their PC, what is the problem??? We may not use Nvidia glasses, but we still must have the Nvidia emitter connected to our PCs.

Why I have to buy Asus or the new Acer??? Why can't I play 3D Vision games with superior quality using a nice 27" LED GLOSSY screen, why I'm doomed to use matte screens??? I see no point for their block to Generic CRT mode?



Getting rid of the "emulator" was a smart move from Nvidia, I totally support them for this action, but doing the same to Generic CRT mode was a desrespect to many 3DV loyal users, a low move in my opinion.



Owners of 2010 Samsung 3D LED and Plasma HDTV's can use Rollermod to have access to 3D Vision instead of 3DTV Play. We can play games in 1080p60hz = 30fps in Generic CRT mode which is far superior to Frame Packing 1080p24hz = 24fps. Now using the latest beta drivers, we can no longer use CRT mode and use this feature. I can't believe Nvidia did that, they just screwed with so many users, users that are loyal to Nvidia, that buy their cards, 3D Vision kits.



There will be always workarounds, always...

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Posted 02/17/2012 02:08 PM   
[quote name='francomg' date='17 February 2012 - 07:08 AM' timestamp='1329487729' post='1370719']
Owners of 2010 Samsung 3D LED and Plasma HDTV's can use Rollermod to have access to 3D Vision instead of 3DTV Play. We can play games in 1080p60hz = 30fps in Generic CRT mode which is far superior to Frame Packing 1080p24hz = 24fps. Now using the latest beta drivers, we can no longer use CRT mode and use this feature. I can't believe Nvidia did that, they just screwed with so many users, users that are loyal to Nvidia, that buy their cards, 3D Vision kits.[/quote]
Andrews response is that Nvidia never promised that 3D Vision would work with modified .infs, so purchasers of 3D Vision kits have no right to rollermod support. That explanation is totally valid for rollermod, but rollermod is irrelevant to this discusion.
All that matters is Nvidia promised in their advertizing and set up wizard that generic CRTs would work with 3D Vision, so Nvidia can't legally drop support for that promise. they can't just throw up their hands and say "we lied, 3D Vision doesn't work with CRTs...ha ha ha!" It would be like Nvidia saying "we promised that the 3D Vision kit would implement 3D visualizations on certain DLPs, projectors, and computer monitors. Now that we have your money, we will go back on that promise and boobey trap the drivers so that no dispay device on Earth will do 3D images when used with 3D Vision."

[quote]There will be always workarounds, always...
[/quote]
Sure, but at what cost? In this case, the workaround is to use TriDef3D or iZ3D. These workarounds have their own set of problems, so the downside of this workaround is worse than the problem it fixes.
[quote name='francomg' date='17 February 2012 - 07:08 AM' timestamp='1329487729' post='1370719']

Owners of 2010 Samsung 3D LED and Plasma HDTV's can use Rollermod to have access to 3D Vision instead of 3DTV Play. We can play games in 1080p60hz = 30fps in Generic CRT mode which is far superior to Frame Packing 1080p24hz = 24fps. Now using the latest beta drivers, we can no longer use CRT mode and use this feature. I can't believe Nvidia did that, they just screwed with so many users, users that are loyal to Nvidia, that buy their cards, 3D Vision kits.

Andrews response is that Nvidia never promised that 3D Vision would work with modified .infs, so purchasers of 3D Vision kits have no right to rollermod support. That explanation is totally valid for rollermod, but rollermod is irrelevant to this discusion.

All that matters is Nvidia promised in their advertizing and set up wizard that generic CRTs would work with 3D Vision, so Nvidia can't legally drop support for that promise. they can't just throw up their hands and say "we lied, 3D Vision doesn't work with CRTs...ha ha ha!" It would be like Nvidia saying "we promised that the 3D Vision kit would implement 3D visualizations on certain DLPs, projectors, and computer monitors. Now that we have your money, we will go back on that promise and boobey trap the drivers so that no dispay device on Earth will do 3D images when used with 3D Vision."



There will be always workarounds, always...



Sure, but at what cost? In this case, the workaround is to use TriDef3D or iZ3D. These workarounds have their own set of problems, so the downside of this workaround is worse than the problem it fixes.

Posted 02/17/2012 03:39 PM   
[quote name='The Jedi' date='16 February 2012 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1329440732' post='1370521']
Re: S27A950D

That is dirty pool. I was browsing around for 120Hz monitors, and this is disappointing to find out. My respect for nVIDIA has gone down. I know something similar they did in the past was disable PhysX with a GeForce card when a Radeon was the primary video card.

In the past I've always favored nVIDIA since they seem to care more than ATI with graphics drivers. ATI driver installation for instance was always annoying years ago, but they have improved a great deal. But if it's not one thing with nVIDIA it's another thing with AMD with not being able to use CrossFire in HD3D mode - or having the mouse pointer disappear or some other crazy stuff I've read about.

I'd like another tier one 27-inch 120Hz LCD instead of Asus or Samsung (or Acer).
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While I don't agree with Nvidia's decision to pull CRT-mode from the drivers, the only valid complaint would be from actual CRT users imo, because that feature was advertised at launch with 3D Vision. Workaround users for unsupported displays might be understandably upset but they knew going into it their display was unsupported. Personally I think Nvidia should just leave the functionality in there and let the small minority who need this workaround to use it.

The only 120Hz panels you are going to find that are unsupported are made by Samsung, and given their history with Nvidia over 3D displays it should really be no surprise why Nvidia does not support them. Nvidia and Samsung were 3D tech partners in rolling out some of the earliest 120Hz desktop LCDs but obviously at some point Samsung figured they could double dip and sell their own glasses as well. If Samsung chose to cut Nvidia out of the picture, why do you feel Nvidia is obligated to continue to support Samsung's 3D solution as a direct competitor to its own?

The PhysX issue is a bit more complicated, but again, it was a feature that was never claimed to be supported by Nvidia. It worked unofficially in XP and later in Beta builds of Win7, but Nvidia forcibly closed the loop at some point because they didn't want to support the configuration. Having recently tried that set-up myself with my gf's PC (5850 + GTX 280 PhysX) I fully understand why. Windows does not like 2 graphics cards with 2 different drivers from 2 different IHVs. Got bluescreens all the time with that set-up to the point I just ended up pulling the 5850 (amongst other reasons).

In any case, you may not like some of Nvidia's decisions, but you are free to weigh the options much like everyone else. In the end, I think you will see one company is investing real resources into making S3D gaming better while the rest of the industry is just freeloading and following in their footsteps.
[quote name='The Jedi' date='16 February 2012 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1329440732' post='1370521']

Re: S27A950D



That is dirty pool. I was browsing around for 120Hz monitors, and this is disappointing to find out. My respect for nVIDIA has gone down. I know something similar they did in the past was disable PhysX with a GeForce card when a Radeon was the primary video card.



In the past I've always favored nVIDIA since they seem to care more than ATI with graphics drivers. ATI driver installation for instance was always annoying years ago, but they have improved a great deal. But if it's not one thing with nVIDIA it's another thing with AMD with not being able to use CrossFire in HD3D mode - or having the mouse pointer disappear or some other crazy stuff I've read about.



I'd like another tier one 27-inch 120Hz LCD instead of Asus or Samsung (or Acer).



While I don't agree with Nvidia's decision to pull CRT-mode from the drivers, the only valid complaint would be from actual CRT users imo, because that feature was advertised at launch with 3D Vision. Workaround users for unsupported displays might be understandably upset but they knew going into it their display was unsupported. Personally I think Nvidia should just leave the functionality in there and let the small minority who need this workaround to use it.



The only 120Hz panels you are going to find that are unsupported are made by Samsung, and given their history with Nvidia over 3D displays it should really be no surprise why Nvidia does not support them. Nvidia and Samsung were 3D tech partners in rolling out some of the earliest 120Hz desktop LCDs but obviously at some point Samsung figured they could double dip and sell their own glasses as well. If Samsung chose to cut Nvidia out of the picture, why do you feel Nvidia is obligated to continue to support Samsung's 3D solution as a direct competitor to its own?



The PhysX issue is a bit more complicated, but again, it was a feature that was never claimed to be supported by Nvidia. It worked unofficially in XP and later in Beta builds of Win7, but Nvidia forcibly closed the loop at some point because they didn't want to support the configuration. Having recently tried that set-up myself with my gf's PC (5850 + GTX 280 PhysX) I fully understand why. Windows does not like 2 graphics cards with 2 different drivers from 2 different IHVs. Got bluescreens all the time with that set-up to the point I just ended up pulling the 5850 (amongst other reasons).



In any case, you may not like some of Nvidia's decisions, but you are free to weigh the options much like everyone else. In the end, I think you will see one company is investing real resources into making S3D gaming better while the rest of the industry is just freeloading and following in their footsteps.

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