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[quote="Schmeltzer"]Thread opened, please join the cause! http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?205736-PC-3D-Vision-Support-please!&p=2672986#post2672986[/quote] I added my tiny voice too. BTW, folks, you can make clickable links in your posts. Use the Link icon in the editing field, like: [url]http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?205736-PC-3D-Vision-Support-please!&p=2672986#post2672986[/url] This makes it a lot easier to get to links, yes?
Schmeltzer said:Thread opened, please join the cause!

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?205736-PC-3D-Vision-Support-please!&p=2672986#post2672986


I added my tiny voice too.

BTW, folks, you can make clickable links in your posts. Use the Link icon in the editing field, like:

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?205736-PC-3D-Vision-Support-please!&p=2672986#post2672986

This makes it a lot easier to get to links, yes?

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#16
Posted 01/18/2013 09:51 AM   
Hi everyone, I am seriously considering creating a "3D Support Group" (see previous posts). If you like this idea and have some idea's on how to organize this effetively, send me a private message (to keep this thread on-topic). Any input is welcome! Cheers.
Hi everyone,

I am seriously considering creating a "3D Support Group" (see previous posts).
If you like this idea and have some idea's on how to organize this effetively, send me a private message (to keep this thread on-topic). Any input is welcome!

Cheers.

#17
Posted 01/18/2013 10:39 AM   
Great idea Schmeltzer im all in :) Seems like we are up to a fight as more and more games seems to have no 3d, the last one I saw about was RES6 here! https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/527814/3d-vision/its-official-no-native-3d-support-for-resident-evil-6/ Damn where are the world going to!!
Great idea Schmeltzer im all in :)
Seems like we are up to a fight as more and more games seems to have no 3d, the last one I saw about was RES6 here!


https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/527814/3d-vision/its-official-no-native-3d-support-for-resident-evil-6/


Damn where are the world going to!!

#18
Posted 01/19/2013 11:21 AM   
[rant] I joined the request discussion over on the 2k forums, all I have to say it's @#$%ing infuriating the way you get treated, even by the mods. They act like you're asking for something that's completely unreasonable or impossible and it's even worse if you tell them it'll affect whether or not you buy the game. All the while technically not even answering the 'question' at hand of whether or not 3D is going to be supported on the PC, bunch of @#$%ing idiots. [/rant] It's a shame we can't get any official word on this. I really wanted Dishonored, Assassin's Creed III and Bioshock: Infinite to be in 3D Vision. Yeah, I know the community fixed Dishonored but I still won't be buying it anytime soon just because of the flak I took over on their forums about 3D Vision, plus the utter lack of official 3D (Vision) support. I know I'm only one sale but I'm not buying it for more than $10. $10 or bust! Hahaha. I can understand older games needing to be fixed by the community but games that are, and have been, currently in development should be supporting 3D ... this is getting ridiculous. I'd rather give my money to the people that are fixing the games than the people that are ignoring there's even a problem.
[rant] I joined the request discussion over on the 2k forums, all I have to say it's @#$%ing infuriating the way you get treated, even by the mods. They act like you're asking for something that's completely unreasonable or impossible and it's even worse if you tell them it'll affect whether or not you buy the game. All the while technically not even answering the 'question' at hand of whether or not 3D is going to be supported on the PC, bunch of @#$%ing idiots. [/rant]

It's a shame we can't get any official word on this. I really wanted Dishonored, Assassin's Creed III and Bioshock: Infinite to be in 3D Vision. Yeah, I know the community fixed Dishonored but I still won't be buying it anytime soon just because of the flak I took over on their forums about 3D Vision, plus the utter lack of official 3D (Vision) support. I know I'm only one sale but I'm not buying it for more than $10. $10 or bust! Hahaha.

I can understand older games needing to be fixed by the community but games that are, and have been, currently in development should be supporting 3D ... this is getting ridiculous. I'd rather give my money to the people that are fixing the games than the people that are ignoring there's even a problem.
#19
Posted 01/22/2013 03:37 PM   
[quote="TsaebehT"][rant] I joined the request discussion over on the 2k forums, all I have to say it's @#$%ing infuriating the way you get treated, even by the mods. They act like you're asking for something that's completely unreasonable or impossible and it's even worse if you tell them it'll affect whether or not you buy the game[/quote] It is frustrating. They can't seem to process the idea that people might legitimately like something (3D) that they personally don't. For one reason or another they belittle 3D and the request for support. But, we don't need to convince those people. The thread will be a success if the developers see it and give some more thought to 3D Vision support. Thanks to the back and forth with the critics, the thread has been at the top of of that forum for nearly a week!
TsaebehT said:[rant] I joined the request discussion over on the 2k forums, all I have to say it's @#$%ing infuriating the way you get treated, even by the mods. They act like you're asking for something that's completely unreasonable or impossible and it's even worse if you tell them it'll affect whether or not you buy the game


It is frustrating. They can't seem to process the idea that people might legitimately like something (3D) that they personally don't. For one reason or another they belittle 3D and the request for support.

But, we don't need to convince those people. The thread will be a success if the developers see it and give some more thought to 3D Vision support. Thanks to the back and forth with the critics, the thread has been at the top of of that forum for nearly a week!

#20
Posted 01/23/2013 02:05 AM   
[quote="Airion"] It is frustrating. They can't seem to process the idea that people might legitimately like something (3D) that they personally don't. For one reason or another they belittle 3D and the request for support. But, we don't need to convince those people. The thread will be a success if the developers see it and give some more thought to 3D Vision support. Thanks to the back and forth with the critics, the thread has been at the top of of that forum for nearly a week! [/quote] I think you hit the nail on the head there. That's how to keep it higher profile. Make it a point to go add some comments to those threads every week so that they keep high up. Not obviously bad like "bump", but add something relevant and space it out over weeks to keep the visibility up.
Airion said:
It is frustrating. They can't seem to process the idea that people might legitimately like something (3D) that they personally don't. For one reason or another they belittle 3D and the request for support.

But, we don't need to convince those people. The thread will be a success if the developers see it and give some more thought to 3D Vision support. Thanks to the back and forth with the critics, the thread has been at the top of of that forum for nearly a week!

I think you hit the nail on the head there. That's how to keep it higher profile. Make it a point to go add some comments to those threads every week so that they keep high up.
Not obviously bad like "bump", but add something relevant and space it out over weeks to keep the visibility up.

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#21
Posted 01/23/2013 07:52 AM   
Was just over in the bioshock infinite forum, wow, the mod is such a pin head, can not believe hes allowed to mod there! Why the 3D hate? Ok 3d in movies is wack. Even REAL 3d in movies is rather lame (aka the hobbit despite me loving the film) 3d in games can have real depth and look like a window into another world. Everyone who views my system loves it, and several friends have spent a lot of money moving from consoles to a 3d set up... Even my mum, who HATES computer games, wanted to buy a setup for my dad as she found it amazing. So why tue hate, and why the put down by MODSA Just for a simple request of 3D. i love bioshock 1, and am sure infinite will be fantastic, but this mod "IGlegacy_Felonious" in the 2K forums puts me off completly, please someone fire this guys! People who dont appreciate 3d games have not trully experienced it, as i would say around 50 people i know who have seen my set up have said something in the region of "that is the biggest game changer since polygons" to "i simply cant belive how much better it looks in 3D, the surfaces look alive" Even my female friends, who dont game, are blown away...... Not one has said, what a gimmick, or, wow thats so average..l so why the hate? Pin heads! I dont love what other people love but i dont put them down, but all the 3D rage seems to be pure speculativ hat based on q crappy cinema experiance. I still see people say how its impossible to have "real" 3D on pc as your eyes can only focus on what the camera is focuessed on... Really? Snd you're quiet sure youve played 3D??? Mmmmm ok.. Sorry for the rant, and any typos (writing on my ipad) i just felt enraged by the infinite forums and found this thread afterwards. But to conclude... BRING 3D TO BIOSHOCK ININIFITE PLEASE! :-)
Was just over in the bioshock infinite forum, wow, the mod is such a pin head, can not believe hes allowed to mod there! Why the 3D hate? Ok 3d in movies is wack. Even REAL 3d in movies is rather lame (aka the hobbit despite me loving the film) 3d in games can have real depth and look like a window into another world. Everyone who views my system loves it, and several friends have spent a lot of money moving from consoles to a 3d set up... Even my mum, who HATES computer games, wanted to buy a setup for my dad as she found it amazing.

So why tue hate, and why the put down by MODSA Just for a simple request of 3D. i love bioshock 1, and am sure infinite will be fantastic, but this mod "IGlegacy_Felonious" in the 2K forums puts me off completly, please someone fire this guys!

People who dont appreciate 3d games have not trully experienced it, as i would say around 50 people i know who have seen my set up have said something in the region of "that is the biggest game changer since polygons" to "i simply cant belive how much better it looks in 3D, the surfaces look alive"

Even my female friends, who dont game, are blown away...... Not one has said, what a gimmick, or, wow thats so average..l so why the hate?

Pin heads! I dont love what other people love but i dont put them down, but all the 3D rage seems to be pure speculativ hat based on q crappy cinema experiance. I still see people say how its impossible to have "real" 3D on pc as your eyes can only focus on what the camera is focuessed on... Really? Snd you're quiet sure youve played 3D??? Mmmmm ok..


Sorry for the rant, and any typos (writing on my ipad) i just felt enraged by the infinite forums and found this thread afterwards. But to conclude...

BRING 3D TO BIOSHOCK ININIFITE PLEASE! :-)

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#22
Posted 01/28/2013 09:17 PM   
I joined the aforementioned thread today (well, here in Italy it's technically yesterday) and received the usual response even though I thought my post was friendly overall. All I can do is invite more people to join the forum, even for a simple "+1 on 3D Vision support". After all, it's more productive than stay here and insult Nvidia, especially when there are no mods to interact with. Anyway, my name on the 2k forums is Peter_RIP
I joined the aforementioned thread today (well, here in Italy it's technically yesterday) and received the usual response even though I thought my post was friendly overall. All I can do is invite more people to join the forum, even for a simple "+1 on 3D Vision support". After all, it's more productive than stay here and insult Nvidia, especially when there are no mods to interact with.

Anyway, my name on the 2k forums is Peter_RIP

#23
Posted 01/29/2013 12:21 AM   
I posted this in I.K. forum, but it's being moderated, so thought id drop it in here to ensure it sees the light of day, apologies for length, but I felt there was a lot of arguments to be made :-) Hey room, thought I’d drop in to chime in. First of all, Iglegacy, glad you had a good giggle at another post, always good to know :-) The reason why a user ;-) may have called you out on such, is to do with the fact you are a moderator, and yet based on a thread requesting 3D support quote, you have acted less as a moderator and more for a champion against 3D. I quote: [quote="IGlegacy_Felonious"] Unfortunately in the list of what one would call key features 3D doesn't come to mind as a game seller...[/quote] Ok, first of all, I am an avid gamer and have been since I was programming Basic on the BBC micro as a child. I have purchased thousands of games over the years from retail and digital, and I think my steam profile http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197972416553/ helps give evidence that I really am a serious gamer and therefore potential customer. 3D is a game seller, as are many features such as normal things like gameplay, graphics or even the DX version. The less of these “perks” a game is, the less it will sell at full price and the more will sell at bargain prices. E.g. I pre-ordered Crysis 2 at full price. I simply adored the original. Once I found out the games 3D wasn’t actually 3D, (2D + depth) and that it wasn’t using DX11 (at first) I cancelled my pre-order. I ended up borrowing it from a friend and completed it, concluding that it wasn’t actually very good after all, and so they lost a sale there. I have multiple friends with 3D setups, they DO base whether to purchase a game or not based on things like this, as simply put, there are hundreds of amazing games out there, and only so much time to play them. [quote="IGlegacy_Felonious"] Your right 3D isn't new technology and its becoming more mainstream and people know about it, unfortunately the majority of consumers don't care. This may be hard for you 3D advocates to get a grip on but I come with articles with somber news regarding 3D flaming out. -- http://www.thestar.com/entertainment...les-disappoint -- http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/wid...183754185.html -- http://www.whathifi.com/news/3d-tv-i...bbc-controller[/quote] Seriously, Iglegacy, you’re using the cancellation of the conversion of “The Little Mermaid” into a post-production 3D film as evidence of the weakness of gaming 3D? And then Titanic, another post-production 3D film? And then finally a BBC reference of how 4K TV is going to be more important than 3D, do you even know why? 4K is irrelevant for anything up to 80 inch TV unless you’re sat point blank! The main feature of 4K TV was to push passive 3D while maintaining 1080P resolution (and this can be achieved without glasses using a parallax barrier.) So your three points are completely invalid with regards to 3D gaming, and here’s why. 1: post production 3D in films is NOT 3D. It is pop out effects, like a pop out card. There is no stereo field of vision, both eyes see the same perspective it’s just some 2d planes have been brought closer or further away from the viewer. 2: Real Film 3D is simply poor full stop with limited depth. Even the Hobbit (which was a great film despite critics panning it) was pretty weak in 3D despite being recorded in real 3D. It seems only marginally better than post production 3d. 3: BBC saying 4K is most important tech is not surprising considering, a) it’s brand new tech and that’s always said about new tech, b) BBC have invested millions in 16K research with NGK and so have an invested interest in super HD c) because this tech was designed so that we can look at 3D without glasses (yay! That’s the biggest criticism of 3D in people’s living rooms) 4: ok finally, and the most important, 3D in PC games (aka real, 2 camera position 3D with realistic depth and convergence settings) is simply a completely different ball game to anything film or consoles offer. You can have real people running around in your screen, and the effect is so powerful that it has convinced many of my console only friends to spend good money on 3D setups. Even my dear old mum, who positively dislikes games and doesn’t see the appeal (like any 60 year old I guess) simply couldn’t believe how beautiful 3D games were, and quite quickly asked me to look into building my dad a system for his birthday. Even non gaming girls have been floored by the effect, but we are talking about the effect after I have adjusted it (5 seconds) to the perfect setting.
I posted this in I.K. forum, but it's being moderated, so thought id drop it in here to ensure it sees the light of day, apologies for length, but I felt there was a lot of arguments to be made :-)


Hey room, thought I’d drop in to chime in.

First of all, Iglegacy, glad you had a good giggle at another post, always good to know :-) The reason why a user ;-) may have called you out on such, is to do with the fact you are a moderator, and yet based on a thread requesting 3D support quote, you have acted less as a moderator and more for a champion against 3D. I quote:

IGlegacy_Felonious said:
Unfortunately in the list of what one would call key features 3D doesn't come to mind as a game seller...


Ok, first of all, I am an avid gamer and have been since I was programming Basic on the BBC micro as a child. I have purchased thousands of games over the years from retail and digital, and I think my steam profile http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197972416553/ helps give evidence that I really am a serious gamer and therefore potential customer.

3D is a game seller, as are many features such as normal things like gameplay, graphics or even the DX version. The less of these “perks” a game is, the less it will sell at full price and the more will sell at bargain prices. E.g. I pre-ordered Crysis 2 at full price. I simply adored the original. Once I found out the games 3D wasn’t actually 3D, (2D + depth) and that it wasn’t using DX11 (at first) I cancelled my pre-order. I ended up borrowing it from a friend and completed it, concluding that it wasn’t actually very good after all, and so they lost a sale there. I have multiple friends with 3D setups, they DO base whether to purchase a game or not based on things like this, as simply put, there are hundreds of amazing games out there, and only so much time to play them.

IGlegacy_Felonious said:
Your right 3D isn't new technology and its becoming more mainstream and people know about it, unfortunately the majority of consumers don't care. This may be hard for you 3D advocates to get a grip on but I come with articles with somber news regarding 3D flaming out.
-- http://www.thestar.com/entertainment...les-disappoint
-- http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/wid...183754185.html
-- http://www.whathifi.com/news/3d-tv-i...bbc-controller


Seriously, Iglegacy, you’re using the cancellation of the conversion of “The Little Mermaid” into a post-production 3D film as evidence of the weakness of gaming 3D? And then Titanic, another post-production 3D film? And then finally a BBC reference of how 4K TV is going to be more important than 3D, do you even know why? 4K is irrelevant for anything up to 80 inch TV unless you’re sat point blank! The main feature of 4K TV was to push passive 3D while maintaining 1080P resolution (and this can be achieved without glasses using a parallax barrier.)
So your three points are completely invalid with regards to 3D gaming, and here’s why.

1: post production 3D in films is NOT 3D. It is pop out effects, like a pop out card. There is no stereo field of vision, both eyes see the same perspective it’s just some 2d planes have been brought closer or further away from the viewer.

2: Real Film 3D is simply poor full stop with limited depth. Even the Hobbit (which was a great film despite critics panning it) was pretty weak in 3D despite being recorded in real 3D. It seems only marginally better than post production 3d.

3: BBC saying 4K is most important tech is not surprising considering, a) it’s brand new tech and that’s always said about new tech, b) BBC have invested millions in 16K research with NGK and so have an invested interest in super HD c) because this tech was designed so that we can look at 3D without glasses (yay! That’s the biggest criticism of 3D in people’s living rooms)

4: ok finally, and the most important, 3D in PC games (aka real, 2 camera position 3D with realistic depth and convergence settings) is simply a completely different ball game to anything film or consoles offer. You can have real people running around in your screen, and the effect is so powerful that it has convinced many of my console only friends to spend good money on 3D setups. Even my dear old mum, who positively dislikes games and doesn’t see the appeal (like any 60 year old I guess) simply couldn’t believe how beautiful 3D games were, and quite quickly asked me to look into building my dad a system for his birthday. Even non gaming girls have been floored by the effect, but we are talking about the effect after I have adjusted it (5 seconds) to the perfect setting.

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#24
Posted 01/29/2013 09:03 AM   
[quote="IGlegacy_Felonious"] Maybe one day the tech and content will get to the point that 3D takes off, we aren't there yet...I think you will find few gamers that will base their purchasing decision on whether it has 3D or not. Just pointing out, it's hard to take anyone's words/threats on the internet as truth. For every person who keeps there word, there are 5 more talking out of their ass.[/quote] When content will get to the point 3D takes off? That is all that we are asking for!!! The tech exists, it’s very mature, from Asus VG278H which I use, or to a DLP projector, the tech is ready. As for content, we simply want more, but there is already a great amount of perfect content in 3D, for e.g. Just Cause 2 Batman Arkham Asylum Batman Arkham City The Wither 1 & 2 Trine 1 & 2 Portal 1 & 2 (well all source games work pretty well to be honest) Dead Space 1& 2 (with helix mod, ty you legend!) The list does go on. These are all amazing games, and check my steam inventory, I own them all, and when 3D is included I pay FULL price, rather than waiting for them to drop to sub £10. On another note, I will make a bet with you, I’m serious, name the number, £100, £1000 or £,1,000,000,000, we’ll open a trust account to keep the money in. 3D will be the only way to play at some point in the future. While I doubt Nvidia 3D will hold the monopoly, or maybe not even be a significant contributor, VR head sets, 3D environments and projectors will become the norm and sooner than you think. Having games running in 3D will ensure that these games are good back catalog to sell for many many years to come. I play many older games simply because they work perfectly or very well in 3D. The graphics would be too much of a put down to enjoy these older games in 2D, for me anyway, but 3D makes a huge enjoyable improvement. That is another a good financial reason to implement 3D [quote="IGlegacy_Felonious"] I'm merely pointing out to others who think that their is some vast demand for 3D technology, that their isn't. Absolutely let the developers look at the cost/benefit ratio for supporting 3D vision, I'm not the one making statements to the developers about what feature will push me to buy the game. We also don't need to speculate on how easy this process might be for them.[/quote] Bioshock infinity is using Unreal engine 3.... clearly you don’t know engines or the scene very well. Making this 3D compatible will not be a huge amount of effort, even if it means that some troublesome shaders are turned off completely when 3D is activated. Obviously everything rendered 100% in 3D would be ideal for us 3D consumers, but I think we are all willing to concede anything too expensive or complicated can simply be emitted, such as special lighting effects that were never programmed in 3D. However the engine is built with 3D in mind, so most things should work with few tweaks. [quote="IGlegacy_Felonious"] I guess you couldn't provide any data about how many PC gamers who use 3D to show it's any more popular than 3D in other media.[/quote] Wow, you’re the one who is making bold statements about the lack or interest and how 3D gamers is an insignificant minority, so you should be the one backing up the facts to argue your case! Every friend I know now with a PC games in 3D (and we are talking above 10) and I keep my friendship circle pretty small and tight. I’m not going to argue that 3D is mainstream, it’s clearly not, but why we should have to submit facts to a mod about its use, when YOU are the one putting it down as a technology is simply absurd. [quote="IGlegacy_Felonious"] Anyone who isn't going to buy Bioshock Infinite because it's not in 3D vision isn't much of a Bioshock fan or a fan of I.G.[/quote] Really? You’re having a laugh right? I love Bioshock, Bioshock 2 was crap but that was made by another company. Me loving Bioshock doesn’t mean I have to buy anything irrational games makes, and why do I have to be a “fan” which I assume you mean, blind puppy whose always at his masters feet no matter how many times he’s kicked? I am sure B.I. will sell extremely well as long as reviews are good or better. For me, I would pre-purchase if it was 3D ready. If not I will wait until it is sub £10. That is lost money, and PC digital game money is worth a lot more then xbox or PS3, as they make a lot more profit per pound/dollar. But I think 99% of all purchases of B.I. will be by people valuing it on its own merits, not because they are simply a “fan” as you put it. So please, stop attacking, and moderate. You can offer criticism; you seem to incorrectly assume the 3D community can’t accept criticism... that’s simply absurd. Look around and you will find posts by me criticising Nvidia 3D as its not all roses. But 3D is an important tech in gaming that will become the norm, fingers crossed for Oculus rift. So to conclude: Please I.G., if it’s not too much trouble and makes long term financial sense, please take the time to allow the best 3D possible. Thankyou for your great work in making great games :-)
IGlegacy_Felonious said:
Maybe one day the tech and content will get to the point that 3D takes off, we aren't there yet...I think you will find few gamers that will base their purchasing decision on whether it has 3D or not.
Just pointing out, it's hard to take anyone's words/threats on the internet as truth. For every person who keeps there word, there are 5 more talking out of their ass.


When content will get to the point 3D takes off? That is all that we are asking for!!! The tech exists, it’s very mature, from Asus VG278H which I use, or to a DLP projector, the tech is ready. As for content, we simply want more, but there is already a great amount of perfect content in 3D, for e.g.

Just Cause 2
Batman Arkham Asylum
Batman Arkham City
The Wither 1 & 2
Trine 1 & 2
Portal 1 & 2 (well all source games work pretty well to be honest)
Dead Space 1& 2 (with helix mod, ty you legend!)

The list does go on. These are all amazing games, and check my steam inventory, I own them all, and when 3D is included I pay FULL price, rather than waiting for them to drop to sub £10. On another note, I will make a bet with you, I’m serious, name the number, £100, £1000 or £,1,000,000,000, we’ll open a trust account to keep the money in. 3D will be the only way to play at some point in the future. While I doubt Nvidia 3D will hold the monopoly, or maybe not even be a significant contributor, VR head sets, 3D environments and projectors will become the norm and sooner than you think. Having games running in 3D will ensure that these games are good back catalog to sell for many many years to come. I play many older games simply because they work perfectly or very well in 3D. The graphics would be too much of a put down to enjoy these older games in 2D, for me anyway, but 3D makes a huge enjoyable improvement. That is another a good financial reason to implement 3D

IGlegacy_Felonious said:
I'm merely pointing out to others who think that their is some vast demand for 3D technology, that their isn't. Absolutely let the developers look at the cost/benefit ratio for supporting 3D vision, I'm not the one making statements to the developers about what feature will push me to buy the game. We also don't need to speculate on how easy this process might be for them.


Bioshock infinity is using Unreal engine 3.... clearly you don’t know engines or the scene very well. Making this 3D compatible will not be a huge amount of effort, even if it means that some troublesome shaders are turned off completely when 3D is activated. Obviously everything rendered 100% in 3D would be ideal for us 3D consumers, but I think we are all willing to concede anything too expensive or complicated can simply be emitted, such as special lighting effects that were never programmed in 3D. However the engine is built with 3D in mind, so most things should work with few tweaks.

IGlegacy_Felonious said:
I guess you couldn't provide any data about how many PC gamers who use 3D to show it's any more popular than 3D in other media.


Wow, you’re the one who is making bold statements about the lack or interest and how 3D gamers is an insignificant minority, so you should be the one backing up the facts to argue your case! Every friend I know now with a PC games in 3D (and we are talking above 10) and I keep my friendship circle pretty small and tight. I’m not going to argue that 3D is mainstream, it’s clearly not, but why we should have to submit facts to a mod about its use, when YOU are the one putting it down as a technology is simply absurd.

IGlegacy_Felonious said:
Anyone who isn't going to buy Bioshock Infinite because it's not in 3D vision isn't much of a Bioshock fan or a fan of I.G.


Really? You’re having a laugh right? I love Bioshock, Bioshock 2 was crap but that was made by another company. Me loving Bioshock doesn’t mean I have to buy anything irrational games makes, and why do I have to be a “fan” which I assume you mean, blind puppy whose always at his masters feet no matter how many times he’s kicked? I am sure B.I. will sell extremely well as long as reviews are good or better. For me, I would pre-purchase if it was 3D ready. If not I will wait until it is sub £10. That is lost money, and PC digital game money is worth a lot more then xbox or PS3, as they make a lot more profit per pound/dollar. But I think 99% of all purchases of B.I. will be by people valuing it on its own merits, not because they are simply a “fan” as you put it.

So please, stop attacking, and moderate. You can offer criticism; you seem to incorrectly assume the 3D community can’t accept criticism... that’s simply absurd. Look around and you will find posts by me criticising Nvidia 3D as its not all roses. But 3D is an important tech in gaming that will become the norm, fingers crossed for Oculus rift.

So to conclude:

Please I.G., if it’s not too much trouble and makes long term financial sense, please take the time to allow the best 3D possible. Thankyou for your great work in making great games :-)

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#25
Posted 01/29/2013 09:13 AM   
I too was initially surprised to see moderators being so opinionated and trying to discourage discussion. But it turns out they're just active members, probably just volunteers. There's this: [url]http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?121706-Forum-Rules[/url] [quote=]Moderators on IrrationalGames.com are members who have been promoted up to have mod privileges on our forums. Moderators do not speak as representatives for Irrational Games but they do enforce forum rules. Current Forum Moderators: Felonious Japester [/quote] So they're free to express their personal opinions while also acting as moderators. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe not. Here's more: [url]http://forums.2kgames.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_mods_admins[/url] [quote=] What are moderators and administrators? Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability to edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other actions. Becoming a moderator for a specific forum is usually rewarded to users who are particularly helpful and knowledgeable in the subject of the forum they are moderating. Administrators are the people who have overall control of everything that happens on the board. They oversee how the board is styled, what forums to create and how to organize them, what information to require from members and who to appoint as moderators. [/quote] Maybe it's not a good thing when the two moderators are opinionated, on the same side, and also have the ability to edit and delete posts of those who strongly disagree, such as foreverseeking's. I'd just say in general, always be as civil as you can. This gives 3D the high ground, and in a situation like this, less excuse for the moderators to edit or remove your post. Usually the anti-3D crowd is the first to cede civility with insults or profanity (they did in the first page of the thread), and it only hurts their credibility, so let them have it. If you do all that AND the moderators tamper with your post, contact the administrators.
I too was initially surprised to see moderators being so opinionated and trying to discourage discussion. But it turns out they're just active members, probably just volunteers. There's this:

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?121706-Forum-Rules
said:Moderators on IrrationalGames.com are members who have been promoted up to have mod privileges on our forums. Moderators do not speak as representatives for Irrational Games but they do enforce forum rules.


Current Forum Moderators:

Felonious

Japester


So they're free to express their personal opinions while also acting as moderators. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe not. Here's more:

http://forums.2kgames.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_mods_admins
said:
What are moderators and administrators?

Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability to edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other actions. Becoming a moderator for a specific forum is usually rewarded to users who are particularly helpful and knowledgeable in the subject of the forum they are moderating.

Administrators are the people who have overall control of everything that happens on the board. They oversee how the board is styled, what forums to create and how to organize them, what information to require from members and who to appoint as moderators.


Maybe it's not a good thing when the two moderators are opinionated, on the same side, and also have the ability to edit and delete posts of those who strongly disagree, such as foreverseeking's.

I'd just say in general, always be as civil as you can. This gives 3D the high ground, and in a situation like this, less excuse for the moderators to edit or remove your post. Usually the anti-3D crowd is the first to cede civility with insults or profanity (they did in the first page of the thread), and it only hurts their credibility, so let them have it. If you do all that AND the moderators tamper with your post, contact the administrators.

#26
Posted 01/29/2013 01:03 PM   
Mostly it's a good conversation over there. I added my 2 cents as well. The moderator is opinionated, but it's not really bashing except for a couple of clowns early on. Here's a tiny bit of info regarding sales: [url]http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-3D-Vision-2-3dtv-gaming-glasses,13709.html[/url] That was awhile ago, and 500K kits sold of the Gen1. That's not a trivial number when a game like Infinite may only sell 500K copies on PC.
Mostly it's a good conversation over there. I added my 2 cents as well. The moderator is opinionated, but it's not really bashing except for a couple of clowns early on.

Here's a tiny bit of info regarding sales:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-3D-Vision-2-3dtv-gaming-glasses,13709.html

That was awhile ago, and 500K kits sold of the Gen1. That's not a trivial number when a game like Infinite may only sell 500K copies on PC.

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#27
Posted 01/29/2013 02:17 PM   
foreverseeking, all I have to say is that was an excellent post that was [b]IRRATIONAL[/b]LY modded. Edit: Maybe not ... there's 4 posts from you there now, the original plus some smaller ones. :D
foreverseeking, all I have to say is that was an excellent post that was IRRATIONALLY modded.

Edit: Maybe not ... there's 4 posts from you there now, the original plus some smaller ones. :D
#28
Posted 01/29/2013 02:42 PM   
[quote="TsaebehT"]foreverseeking, all I have to say is that was an excellent post that was [b]IRRATIONAL[/b]LY modded. [/quote] haha, I see what you did there ;-) hey Airion, thanks for the heads up, and well done for getting your points across on the board. I thought my message was strong, but I didn't believe it was offensive, I even mentioned just quite how much I loved Bioshock 1 (I genuinely put it up there with the greats), and I will almost certainly buy it... but never at full price without 3D support, I have a pretty huge back catalog! ah well, it's a shame there's so much fluff going around about 3D gaming, it truly is exceptional and has a 100% success rate in wowing visitors, friends and guests. I know it will become standard at some point as it is the obvious clear evolution of gaming... just wish there wasn't so many people trying to slow the movement of tech down! Edit/ Also of note, I never received a message saying that my forum message wasn't allowed or broke forum rules, I only signed up to the site today, and maybe it got lost in the system? Don't know, I tried again now and managed to get the first part up :-) Edit2? seems like my post is live, yay! although apologies to the mods as I seemed to have accidently spammed the wall! accidental posts have been deleted however, sorry!
TsaebehT said:foreverseeking, all I have to say is that was an excellent post that was IRRATIONALLY modded.


haha, I see what you did there ;-)

hey Airion, thanks for the heads up, and well done for getting your points across on the board. I thought my message was strong, but I didn't believe it was offensive, I even mentioned just quite how much I loved Bioshock 1 (I genuinely put it up there with the greats), and I will almost certainly buy it... but never at full price without 3D support, I have a pretty huge back catalog!

ah well, it's a shame there's so much fluff going around about 3D gaming, it truly is exceptional and has a 100% success rate in wowing visitors, friends and guests. I know it will become standard at some point as it is the obvious clear evolution of gaming... just wish there wasn't so many people trying to slow the movement of tech down!

Edit/

Also of note, I never received a message saying that my forum message wasn't allowed or broke forum rules, I only signed up to the site today, and maybe it got lost in the system? Don't know, I tried again now and managed to get the first part up :-)

Edit2?

seems like my post is live, yay! although apologies to the mods as I seemed to have accidently spammed the wall! accidental posts have been deleted however, sorry!

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#29
Posted 01/29/2013 02:59 PM   
I really don't get 2k forums... my post went live, and the formatting was horrible, so I thought I would make it nicer for people to read, rather than have a wall of text... my edit made it disappear. So I tried in another box, and then that disappeared, im pretty sure the site is sending the whole the back to be moderated? is that correct? Does other peoples posts over their go live instantly, or does it take time? Ah god i'm wasting time, back to learning German, a much more productive, if only slightly less tedious experience of writing on a forum that appears to be a tad overzealous on the auto moderation. ciao.
I really don't get 2k forums... my post went live, and the formatting was horrible, so I thought I would make it nicer for people to read, rather than have a wall of text... my edit made it disappear. So I tried in another box, and then that disappeared, im pretty sure the site is sending the whole the back to be moderated? is that correct? Does other peoples posts over their go live instantly, or does it take time?

Ah god i'm wasting time, back to learning German, a much more productive, if only slightly less tedious experience of writing on a forum that appears to be a tad overzealous on the auto moderation. ciao.

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#30
Posted 01/29/2013 04:40 PM   
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