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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86533216&postcount=1003 There's an Nvidia rep posting live in the neogaf thread and he mentions that 3D Vision is even better with G-Sync. So that's a major relief.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86533216&postcount=1003


There's an Nvidia rep posting live in the neogaf thread and he mentions that 3D Vision is even better with G-Sync. So that's a major relief.

#91
Posted 10/18/2013 03:11 PM   
Well 3d vision is in the hands of the community . Is G-sync working on something big ?
Well 3d vision is in the hands of the community .


Is G-sync working on something big ?

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#92
Posted 10/18/2013 03:40 PM   
[url]http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-nvidia-g-sync-revolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming[/url] Should also be noted it's going to be sold as a DIY module that most likely will be compatible with existing 3D Vision monitors. As someone who never expected them to show VR, this probably exceeds my expectations. This is pretty cool. EDIT: Carmack is going to be on stage with Sweeney and Dice guy in a little bit. Hopefully something like this will be allowed to get added onto the Rift. This way they could ship with a 90 - 120hz panel, but wouldn't have lag/tearing if the frame drop then and now (huge no-nos for VR).
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-nvidia-g-sync-revolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming

Should also be noted it's going to be sold as a DIY module that most likely will be compatible with existing 3D Vision monitors.

As someone who never expected them to show VR, this probably exceeds my expectations. This is pretty cool.

EDIT: Carmack is going to be on stage with Sweeney and Dice guy in a little bit. Hopefully something like this will be allowed to get added onto the Rift. This way they could ship with a 90 - 120hz panel, but wouldn't have lag/tearing if the frame drop then and now (huge no-nos for VR).

#93
Posted 10/18/2013 03:46 PM   
Someone said the super secret thing on Monday is related to G-Sync. So maybe it can still be a glasses free monitor.
Someone said the super secret thing on Monday is related to G-Sync. So maybe it can still be a glasses free monitor.

#94
Posted 10/18/2013 04:02 PM   
WTF. I don't "get" exactly what this gsync actually does? I don't get screen tearing or stutering, etc and I'm fine with vsync (adaptive) Is it mainly a latency issue? I don't play competitive MP and often use a projector which has more delay then my benq mointors. Sounds like a bunch of Shit. No mention of 3D or VR. BOOOOO
WTF. I don't "get" exactly what this gsync actually does? I don't get screen tearing or stutering, etc and I'm fine with vsync (adaptive) Is it mainly a latency issue? I don't play competitive MP and often use a projector which has more delay then my benq mointors. Sounds like a bunch of Shit. No mention of 3D or VR. BOOOOO

#95
Posted 10/18/2013 04:16 PM   
I don't get any of these issues either. Vsync input delay? Never heard of it nor experienced it.
I don't get any of these issues either. Vsync input delay? Never heard of it nor experienced it.

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Posted 10/18/2013 04:44 PM   
[quote="Conan481"]WTF. I don't "get" exactly what this gsync actually does? I don't get screen tearing or stutering, etc and I'm fine with vsync (adaptive) Is it mainly a latency issue? I don't play competitive MP and often use a projector which has more delay then my benq mointors. Sounds like a bunch of Shit. No mention of 3D or VR. BOOOOO [/quote] This GSync has the potential - if it works like they say it does - to be one of the biggest innovations in the PC market in a long while. Basically, VSync and screen tearing will be a thing of the past. Rather than forcing your GPU to sync frames with your monitors refresh rate, your monitor will sync refresh rate with whatever you're capable of rendering. So if you can only push 47fps out, your monitors refresh rate will be 47hz and it will dynamically adapt to whatever your GPU is capable of. This means that Vsync will be completely unneeded which means there's no need to deal with the sloppy input lag it introduces. It also means that screen tearing will be entirely gone, as the screen will always show every individual frame with no need to cut a frame short or display it torn. This is pretty huge. It solves one of the big issues in gaming of "30fps vs 60fps" as well as "sluggish Vsync with no tears" or "fluid responsive controls with tearing."
Conan481 said:WTF. I don't "get" exactly what this gsync actually does? I don't get screen tearing or stutering, etc and I'm fine with vsync (adaptive) Is it mainly a latency issue? I don't play competitive MP and often use a projector which has more delay then my benq mointors. Sounds like a bunch of Shit. No mention of 3D or VR. BOOOOO


This GSync has the potential - if it works like they say it does - to be one of the biggest innovations in the PC market in a long while.

Basically, VSync and screen tearing will be a thing of the past.

Rather than forcing your GPU to sync frames with your monitors refresh rate, your monitor will sync refresh rate with whatever you're capable of rendering.

So if you can only push 47fps out, your monitors refresh rate will be 47hz and it will dynamically adapt to whatever your GPU is capable of.

This means that Vsync will be completely unneeded which means there's no need to deal with the sloppy input lag it introduces.

It also means that screen tearing will be entirely gone, as the screen will always show every individual frame with no need to cut a frame short or display it torn.

This is pretty huge. It solves one of the big issues in gaming of "30fps vs 60fps" as well as "sluggish Vsync with no tears" or "fluid responsive controls with tearing."

#97
Posted 10/18/2013 04:59 PM   
What if the super secret reveal (that's related to G-Sync) is that they've licensed it to Oculus to be included in Rift. Really looking forward to them finishing lunch so we can hear the roundtable with Carmack. I want to see just how much relevancy he thinks it'll have for VR.
What if the super secret reveal (that's related to G-Sync) is that they've licensed it to Oculus to be included in Rift.

Really looking forward to them finishing lunch so we can hear the roundtable with Carmack. I want to see just how much relevancy he thinks it'll have for VR.

#98
Posted 10/18/2013 05:06 PM   
I thought the tearing was because you were getting 'too many' FPS, not too little ... either way it does nothing for me as it can't compete with my 65" 3D DLP. :)
I thought the tearing was because you were getting 'too many' FPS, not too little ... either way it does nothing for me as it can't compete with my 65" 3D DLP. :)
#99
Posted 10/18/2013 06:19 PM   
It has a low persistence mode that's superior to even the LightBoost hack. I wish my Asus was the monitor they were going to let you DIY upgrade. Might have to just ditch it for a new one next year. P.S. Low persistance mode is something that Carmack has been harping on as being essential for VR. So in a perfect world, they either come up with something similiar, or they can source a panel that's compatible (he already tweeted none of the current panels under consideration would work with it).
It has a low persistence mode that's superior to even the LightBoost hack. I wish my Asus was the monitor they were going to let you DIY upgrade. Might have to just ditch it for a new one next year.

P.S. Low persistance mode is something that Carmack has been harping on as being essential for VR. So in a perfect world, they either come up with something similiar, or they can source a panel that's compatible (he already tweeted none of the current panels under consideration would work with it).

Posted 10/18/2013 09:04 PM   
Another Nvidia technology that had hope yet is rendered completely worthless because its proprietary.
Another Nvidia technology that had hope yet is rendered completely worthless because its proprietary.

Posted 10/18/2013 09:38 PM   
That 3D vision "comment" doesn't make sense to me. "Superior 3d quality." Prob. just marketing bs. The good news is they will probably be rolling out more 120/144hz 2d/3d monitors. Though it might not last since they got to pay nvidia for this chip + 3d vision license.... Not saying it is or whatever but its important to note that nvidia does have a research + development towards making a hmd.
That 3D vision "comment" doesn't make sense to me. "Superior 3d quality." Prob. just marketing bs. The good news is they will probably be rolling out more 120/144hz 2d/3d monitors. Though it might not last since they got to pay nvidia for this chip + 3d vision license....


Not saying it is or whatever but its important to note that nvidia does have a research + development towards making a hmd.

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Posted 10/18/2013 09:50 PM   
Maybe not just fluff. If I understand this right, they will also sync with LightBoost on the right monitors, and so that will sync with the actual frames delivered as well. Should be dramatically better for blur. This would help 3D also, on monitors. [s]For projectors this seems like it won't work. The spinning wheel isn't going to be able to spin up and down to match the frame rates. [/s] OK, now G-Sync at least qualifies as 'something big.' Edit: projectors will work too. It doesn't affect the native refresh rate.
Maybe not just fluff. If I understand this right, they will also sync with LightBoost on the right monitors, and so that will sync with the actual frames delivered as well. Should be dramatically better for blur. This would help 3D also, on monitors.

For projectors this seems like it won't work. The spinning wheel isn't going to be able to spin up and down to match the frame rates.


OK, now G-Sync at least qualifies as 'something big.'

Edit: projectors will work too. It doesn't affect the native refresh rate.

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Posted 10/18/2013 10:18 PM   
[quote="eqzitara"] Not saying it is or whatever but its important to note that nvidia does have a research + development towards making a hmd.[/quote] Oh no doubt. That prototype is pretty cool too. I'm not sure how to take that quote, but this is definitely what Rein was talking about. They had a round table with Sweeney and Carmack and both said it was the most significant advancement in display tech since the transition to HD screens. This is definitely what the tweet was about. Bonus points for Mark Rein. LOL. During the roundtable discussion, he asked Johan Andersson how much Dice was paid to incorporate Mantle tech. A moment of humor in a great discussion.
eqzitara said:

Not saying it is or whatever but its important to note that nvidia does have a research + development towards making a hmd.


Oh no doubt. That prototype is pretty cool too.

I'm not sure how to take that quote, but this is definitely what Rein was talking about. They had a round table with Sweeney and Carmack and both said it was the most significant advancement in display tech since the transition to HD screens. This is definitely what the tweet was about.

Bonus points for Mark Rein. LOL. During the roundtable discussion, he asked Johan Andersson how much Dice was paid to incorporate Mantle tech. A moment of humor in a great discussion.

Posted 10/18/2013 10:18 PM   
[quote="Paul33993"]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86533216&postcount=1003 There's an Nvidia rep posting live in the neogaf thread and he mentions that 3D Vision is even better with G-Sync. So that's a major relief.[/quote] I wonder how 3D would be better beyond v-sync + no lag? Btw: if they added toggleable frame interpolation that had no lag, that would be sweet. It would smooth out youtube videos as well as games, helping framerate and making them look even more realistic.
Paul33993 said:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86533216&postcount=1003

There's an Nvidia rep posting live in the neogaf thread and he mentions that 3D Vision is even better with G-Sync. So that's a major relief.


I wonder how 3D would be better beyond v-sync + no lag?

Btw: if they added toggleable frame interpolation that had no lag, that would be sweet. It would smooth out youtube videos as well as games, helping framerate and making them look even more realistic.

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