Enabling 3D Vision disables the Ambient Occlusion
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Why enabling 3D Vision disables forced (in nVidia control panel) Ambient Occlusion? Is it a bug?
Why enabling 3D Vision disables forced (in nVidia control panel) Ambient Occlusion? Is it a bug?

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#1
Posted 04/01/2015 09:53 PM   
No it's not a bug, it's just always been that way. I've only ever heard of it being discussed in relation to Skyrim though, but I've assumed it's any game used with NVIDIA's built in SSAO.
No it's not a bug, it's just always been that way. I've only ever heard of it being discussed in relation to Skyrim though, but I've assumed it's any game used with NVIDIA's built in SSAO.

#2
Posted 04/02/2015 05:36 PM   
So It's long overdue bug then. I would appreciate an official response about when it will be fixed. It's stupid that I have to choose 3D or SSAO.
So It's long overdue bug then. I would appreciate an official response about when it will be fixed. It's stupid that I have to choose 3D or SSAO.

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#3
Posted 04/03/2015 05:14 PM   
I'm still waiting for an official statement.
I'm still waiting for an official statement.

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#4
Posted 04/04/2015 03:06 PM   
Lol ... seriously, don't hold your breath for that 'official statement' ...
Lol ... seriously, don't hold your breath for that 'official statement' ...
#5
Posted 04/04/2015 03:35 PM   
If a game supports natively some form of AO (it exists in the game settings) then it's not beeing disabled by switching 3D Vision on. It only happens when a game doesn't have a native AO and you force-enable SSAO or HBAO in nVidia's control panel and then enable 3D Vision. And to answer your last question, no it's not consuming any resources when AO is forced, but not visible.
If a game supports natively some form of AO (it exists in the game settings) then it's not beeing disabled by switching 3D Vision on. It only happens when a game doesn't have a native AO and you force-enable SSAO or HBAO in nVidia's control panel and then enable 3D Vision.

And to answer your last question, no it's not consuming any resources when AO is forced, but not visible.

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#6
Posted 04/05/2015 08:14 PM   
I think it's due to NVIDIA's method not having any depth information to it (that's why I was trying to convey that it probably isn't a bug so much as a limitation). Something similar happens in Morrowind if you use the graphics update tool. All the black ridges are at screen depth.... Would explain why it's such an eye sore using it in Skyrim with a volumetric fog mod in 2D. The black shows fine despite the rest being obscured by the fog. But hey, that's just my unofficial speculation.
I think it's due to NVIDIA's method not having any depth information to it (that's why I was trying to convey that it probably isn't a bug so much as a limitation). Something similar happens in Morrowind if you use the graphics update tool. All the black ridges are at screen depth....

Would explain why it's such an eye sore using it in Skyrim with a volumetric fog mod in 2D. The black shows fine despite the rest being obscured by the fog.

But hey, that's just my unofficial speculation.

#7
Posted 04/06/2015 07:24 PM   
I doubt that's true. I can enable 3D vision in practicaly any game, so there are 2 cameras with independent depth buffers. I still don't see any reason of why it shouldn't work.
I doubt that's true. I can enable 3D vision in practicaly any game, so there are 2 cameras with independent depth buffers. I still don't see any reason of why it shouldn't work.

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#8
Posted 04/06/2015 10:18 PM   
I'm saying the dark areas created by the AO may not contain proper depth to it. [b]I've seen this be the case[/b] in Morrowind with a hacked in SSAO that can be enabled while 3D Vision is working. Also, with this mod... [url]http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24460/?[/url] Go into a foggy cave, or during foggy weather.. you'll see the darkened areas created by NVIDIA's SSAO aren't being obscured by the fog at all so you get these stark black lines all over the screen. And yeah.. this discussion's dragged on enough (for me at least).
I'm saying the dark areas created by the AO may not contain proper depth to it. I've seen this be the case in Morrowind with a hacked in SSAO that can be enabled while 3D Vision is working.

Also, with this mod...
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/24460/?

Go into a foggy cave, or during foggy weather.. you'll see the darkened areas created by NVIDIA's SSAO aren't being obscured by the fog at all so you get these stark black lines all over the screen.

And yeah.. this discussion's dragged on enough (for me at least).

#9
Posted 04/07/2015 02:22 AM   
I've seen this effect many times before when forcing AO goes wrong. It has nothing to do with 3D vision.
I've seen this effect many times before when forcing AO goes wrong. It has nothing to do with 3D vision.

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#10
Posted 04/08/2015 08:48 AM   
I won't give up on this until I receive an answer from nVidia.
I won't give up on this until I receive an answer from nVidia.

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#11
Posted 04/10/2015 12:38 PM   
you do know that this is a user to user forum? your best option is posting in the driver feedback thread or opening a support ticket.
you do know that this is a user to user forum?

your best option is posting in the driver feedback thread or opening a support ticket.

#12
Posted 04/10/2015 04:06 PM   
Not that [i]I[/i] should have bothered searching the forum ... Lol. [quote="Cookybiscuit"]"Hello, Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care. This is Karthik, assisting you in troubleshooting the issue you are experiencing. I understand that you have an NVIDIA 3D Vision 2 setup & you are experiencing issues with the feature Ambient Occlusion disabling in 3D mode. Firstly, I apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. This is a strange issue & was not reported earlier. Please give me some time while I check this further with our setup here & see if this is normal behavior or issue with the other end/drivers. Please give me about 24 hours time so that I can thoroughly test this with different drivers & try to get a work around. I thank you for your time in advance. Best Regards Karthik NVIDIA Customer Care" Currently wearing my excited face.[/quote][url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/537806/3d-vision/lack-of-driver-forced-ambient-occlusion-making-me-cry/post/3779903/#3779903[/url] [quote="Cookybiscuit"]"I did check these options further and the did not find these settings natively enabled or found in the games, however the [color="orange"][u]Ambient Occlusion is turned off in 3D mode by default[/u][/color]. You can submit a feature request to our driver team directly for further test or get this working: http://www.nvidia.com/object/driverqualityassurance.html" So yea it's not happening. Don't know if its worth following the link to request it, but I can't get on it, the page just shows 'access denied'.[/quote][url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/537806/3d-vision/lack-of-driver-forced-ambient-occlusion-making-me-cry/post/3783738/#3783738[/url]
Not that I should have bothered searching the forum ... Lol.

Cookybiscuit said:"Hello,

Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care.

This is Karthik, assisting you in troubleshooting the issue you are experiencing.

I understand that you have an NVIDIA 3D Vision 2 setup & you are experiencing issues with the feature Ambient Occlusion disabling in 3D mode.

Firstly, I apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. This is a strange issue & was not reported earlier. Please give me some time while I check this further with our setup here & see if this is normal behavior or issue with the other end/drivers.

Please give me about 24 hours time so that I can thoroughly test this with different drivers & try to get a work around. I thank you for your time in advance.

Best Regards
Karthik
NVIDIA Customer Care"

Currently wearing my excited face.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/537806/3d-vision/lack-of-driver-forced-ambient-occlusion-making-me-cry/post/3779903/#3779903

Cookybiscuit said:"I did check these options further and the did not find these settings natively enabled or found in the games, however the Ambient Occlusion is turned off in 3D mode by default. You can submit a feature request to our driver team directly for further test or get this working:


http://www.nvidia.com/object/driverqualityassurance.html"


So yea it's not happening. Don't know if its worth following the link to request it, but I can't get on it, the page just shows 'access denied'.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/537806/3d-vision/lack-of-driver-forced-ambient-occlusion-making-me-cry/post/3783738/#3783738
#13
Posted 04/10/2015 05:26 PM   
I've seen this thread. And btw http://www.nvidia.com/object/driverqualityassurance.html%22 Page not found.
I've seen this thread.

And btw
http://www.nvidia.com/object/driverqualityassurance.html%22

Page not found.

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#14
Posted 04/12/2015 02:33 AM   
http://www.nvidia.com/object/driverqualityassurance.html no idea where that %22 came from on the end of your link
http://www.nvidia.com/object/driverqualityassurance.html

no idea where that %22 came from on the end of your link

#15
Posted 04/12/2015 02:41 AM   
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