What makes "3D ready" display's so special? How does the PC know whether your 120Hz di
So, I just read the 3D Vision FAQ and found the list, errmmmm....the very short list, of compatible displays here:
[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2368&p_created=1233880927&p_sid=Mia29OXj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_srch=1&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NzUsNzUmcF9wcm9kcz0xMzImcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0xLjEzMiZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1"]http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1[/url]
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
[quote name='miahallen' post='1027242' date='Mar 25 2010, 11:42 PM']So, I just read the 3D Vision FAQ and found the list, errmmmm....the very short list, of compatible displays here:
[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2368&p_created=1233880927&p_sid=Mia29OXj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_srch=1&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NzUsNzUmcF9wcm9kcz0xMzImcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0xLjEzMiZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1"]http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1[/url]
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)[/quote]
The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
[quote name='miahallen' post='1027242' date='Mar 25 2010, 11:42 PM']So, I just read the 3D Vision FAQ and found the list, errmmmm....the very short list, of compatible displays here:
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)
The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
Thanks for the reply :)
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port[/quote]
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz[/quote]
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.
[quote name='miahallen' post='1027261' date='Mar 26 2010, 12:29 AM']Thanks for the reply :)
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.[/quote]
Go to wikipedia and type in lc shutter glasses and check out all of the references. Also you can go to Samsung and look at one of there 3d TVs and they will explain how 3d works also
[quote name='miahallen' post='1027261' date='Mar 26 2010, 12:29 AM']Thanks for the reply :)
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.
Go to wikipedia and type in lc shutter glasses and check out all of the references. Also you can go to Samsung and look at one of there 3d TVs and they will explain how 3d works also
[quote name='miahallen' post='1027242' date='Mar 26 2010, 05:42 AM']So, I just read the 3D Vision FAQ and found the list, errmmmm....the very short list, of compatible displays here:
[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2368&p_created=1233880927&p_sid=Mia29OXj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_srch=1&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NzUsNzUmcF9wcm9kcz0xMzImcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0xLjEzMiZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1"]http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1[/url]
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)[/quote]
If you are serious about jumping on the 3d vision bandwagon don't buy anything that is not on the list unless you want a headache and lots of trouble
[quote name='miahallen' post='1027242' date='Mar 26 2010, 05:42 AM']So, I just read the 3D Vision FAQ and found the list, errmmmm....the very short list, of compatible displays here:
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)
If you are serious about jumping on the 3d vision bandwagon don't buy anything that is not on the list unless you want a headache and lots of trouble
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 06:51 AM']1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz[/quote]
A few comments on this since it may be misleading:
1) is not regarding "native" 120Hz TFTs but "3D ready" TVs. They can accept the signal nvidias driver put s out as "gneric DLP" - a so-called "checkerboard" pattern wher pixels for left and right eye are interlaced horizontally and vertically. The TV must be capable of recognizing this pattern and demodulate it to 2 successive frames. The VESA output mentioned above carries a signal that is in sync to the decoded frames and syncs the emitter. So if the monitor cannot do this - no S3D...
The point is, that, allthough most TVs have a panel that runs on 120Hz and even a picture processor that upscales input signals to that refresh rate., the input is limited to 60Hz maximum. What picture processing does is frame doubling by calculating artificial, morphed intermediate frames to reduce judder.
However, the 120Hz displays for computer nvidia are referring to are "native" 120Hz models that feature a 120Hz input to display topology. The stereoscopic TV sets coming out this year follow the HDMI 1.4 specification. Allthough these devices are S3D compatible, they are not "3D vision ready" and cannot accept 120Hz full res input but "frame packed" Megafames (e.g. 1920x2160 plus a couple of blank lines at 24Hz or 1280x1440 plus blank lines at 60Hz) These still to be released TVs will only work with the still to be released 3D Play driver.
to sum it up: So yes, unless you get the Viewsonic, the Samsung, the Acer, the Dell for PC or an explicit 3D vision ready model listed on the link, you will be badly disappointed!
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 06:51 AM']1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
A few comments on this since it may be misleading:
1) is not regarding "native" 120Hz TFTs but "3D ready" TVs. They can accept the signal nvidias driver put s out as "gneric DLP" - a so-called "checkerboard" pattern wher pixels for left and right eye are interlaced horizontally and vertically. The TV must be capable of recognizing this pattern and demodulate it to 2 successive frames. The VESA output mentioned above carries a signal that is in sync to the decoded frames and syncs the emitter. So if the monitor cannot do this - no S3D...
The point is, that, allthough most TVs have a panel that runs on 120Hz and even a picture processor that upscales input signals to that refresh rate., the input is limited to 60Hz maximum. What picture processing does is frame doubling by calculating artificial, morphed intermediate frames to reduce judder.
However, the 120Hz displays for computer nvidia are referring to are "native" 120Hz models that feature a 120Hz input to display topology. The stereoscopic TV sets coming out this year follow the HDMI 1.4 specification. Allthough these devices are S3D compatible, they are not "3D vision ready" and cannot accept 120Hz full res input but "frame packed" Megafames (e.g. 1920x2160 plus a couple of blank lines at 24Hz or 1280x1440 plus blank lines at 60Hz) These still to be released TVs will only work with the still to be released 3D Play driver.
to sum it up: So yes, unless you get the Viewsonic, the Samsung, the Acer, the Dell for PC or an explicit 3D vision ready model listed on the link, you will be badly disappointed!
[quote name='cybereality' post='1027919' date='Mar 27 2010, 05:14 AM']If its not on the list its NOT supported. End of story.[/quote]
i believe "official support" means sertified
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure
[quote name='ksyon' post='1028044' date='Mar 27 2010, 10:35 AM']i believe "official support" means sertified
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure[/quote]
These kinds of statements is the #1 reason why so many people get confused and ask why their current 100/120Hz HDTV don't work.
Nvidia can use absolutely every single stereo3D system on the planet (which have nothing to do with the number of Hz) : the only reason why you can't use all of them is because Nvidia 3D vision is not an open system : it works with a white-list system, not with open system requirements.
Either the hardware has been tested and approved by nvidia and then it will work. Or it hasn't been approved and it's not supported.
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure
These kinds of statements is the #1 reason why so many people get confused and ask why their current 100/120Hz HDTV don't work.
Nvidia can use absolutely every single stereo3D system on the planet (which have nothing to do with the number of Hz) : the only reason why you can't use all of them is because Nvidia 3D vision is not an open system : it works with a white-list system, not with open system requirements.
Either the hardware has been tested and approved by nvidia and then it will work. Or it hasn't been approved and it's not supported.
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I didn't feel like creating a new topic for just a simple question-
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?
I didn't feel like creating a new topic for just a simple question-
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
[quote name='Damperen' post='1029176' date='Mar 29 2010, 12:14 AM']I didn't feel like creating a new topic for just a simple question-
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?[/quote]
The only Samsung monitor that supports 3D is the 2233RZ
[quote name='Damperen' post='1029176' date='Mar 29 2010, 12:14 AM']I didn't feel like creating a new topic for just a simple question-
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?
The only Samsung monitor that supports 3D is the 2233RZ
[url="http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2368&p_created=1233880927&p_sid=Mia29OXj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_srch=1&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NzUsNzUmcF9wcm9kcz0xMzImcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0xLjEzMiZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1"]http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1[/url]
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)
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I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)[/quote]
The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)
The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port[/quote]
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz[/quote]
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']The difference in a 3d ready display is for
1)3d ready displays have a special 3d sync port for connecting an emitter. It looks kind of like an svideo port
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='1027246' date='Mar 26 2010, 02:51 PM']2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.[/quote]
Go to wikipedia and type in lc shutter glasses and check out all of the references. Also you can go to Samsung and look at one of there 3d TVs and they will explain how 3d works also
This makes sense...I thought the emitter interfaced with the PC only...but you've cleared that up, thanks!
I'm not so sure about this part...I spent the last 30 minutes trying to veriy this, and cannot find a single source or reference. Can you provide one?
If this were true, it would be very misleading to call a TV both 1080p and 120Hz capable. Becasue anytime it was displaying 120Hz refresh, it would be in 1080i mode...which doesn't make much sense for a modern LCD.
Go to wikipedia and type in lc shutter glasses and check out all of the references. Also you can go to Samsung and look at one of there 3d TVs and they will explain how 3d works also
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I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)[/quote]
If you are serious about jumping on the 3d vision bandwagon don't buy anything that is not on the list unless you want a headache and lots of trouble
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia....amp;p_topview=1
I know that 3D Vision should require a 120Hz display, and one capable of very fast response time, 2-3ms is what I ready somewhere else.
If that is true, wouldn't the list be much longer? Are people having much success getting 120Hz displays that are not "3D Ready" working?
How does the Forceware driver detect a "3D Ready" display? And, if I buy a 120Hz TV with the intention of using it for 3D Vision, am I going to be disappointed?
Thanks B)
If you are serious about jumping on the 3d vision bandwagon don't buy anything that is not on the list unless you want a headache and lots of trouble
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz[/quote]
A few comments on this since it may be misleading:
1) is not regarding "native" 120Hz TFTs but "3D ready" TVs. They can accept the signal nvidias driver put s out as "gneric DLP" - a so-called "checkerboard" pattern wher pixels for left and right eye are interlaced horizontally and vertically. The TV must be capable of recognizing this pattern and demodulate it to 2 successive frames. The VESA output mentioned above carries a signal that is in sync to the decoded frames and syncs the emitter. So if the monitor cannot do this - no S3D...
The point is, that, allthough most TVs have a panel that runs on 120Hz and even a picture processor that upscales input signals to that refresh rate., the input is limited to 60Hz maximum. What picture processing does is frame doubling by calculating artificial, morphed intermediate frames to reduce judder.
However, the 120Hz displays for computer nvidia are referring to are "native" 120Hz models that feature a 120Hz input to display topology. The stereoscopic TV sets coming out this year follow the HDMI 1.4 specification. Allthough these devices are S3D compatible, they are not "3D vision ready" and cannot accept 120Hz full res input but "frame packed" Megafames (e.g. 1920x2160 plus a couple of blank lines at 24Hz or 1280x1440 plus blank lines at 60Hz) These still to be released TVs will only work with the still to be released 3D Play driver.
to sum it up: So yes, unless you get the Viewsonic, the Samsung, the Acer, the Dell for PC or an explicit 3D vision ready model listed on the link, you will be badly disappointed!
2)unlike regular 120 hz monitors, these 120 hz monitors and displays have a TRUE 120 hz single bandwidth
3)normal 120 hz monitors that you would see I'm a store are Not TRUE 120 hz displays. They are INTERLACED 60 hz lanes that equal 60x2 to equal 120 hz
A few comments on this since it may be misleading:
1) is not regarding "native" 120Hz TFTs but "3D ready" TVs. They can accept the signal nvidias driver put s out as "gneric DLP" - a so-called "checkerboard" pattern wher pixels for left and right eye are interlaced horizontally and vertically. The TV must be capable of recognizing this pattern and demodulate it to 2 successive frames. The VESA output mentioned above carries a signal that is in sync to the decoded frames and syncs the emitter. So if the monitor cannot do this - no S3D...
The point is, that, allthough most TVs have a panel that runs on 120Hz and even a picture processor that upscales input signals to that refresh rate., the input is limited to 60Hz maximum. What picture processing does is frame doubling by calculating artificial, morphed intermediate frames to reduce judder.
However, the 120Hz displays for computer nvidia are referring to are "native" 120Hz models that feature a 120Hz input to display topology. The stereoscopic TV sets coming out this year follow the HDMI 1.4 specification. Allthough these devices are S3D compatible, they are not "3D vision ready" and cannot accept 120Hz full res input but "frame packed" Megafames (e.g. 1920x2160 plus a couple of blank lines at 24Hz or 1280x1440 plus blank lines at 60Hz) These still to be released TVs will only work with the still to be released 3D Play driver.
to sum it up: So yes, unless you get the Viewsonic, the Samsung, the Acer, the Dell for PC or an explicit 3D vision ready model listed on the link, you will be badly disappointed!
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i believe "official support" means sertified
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure
i believe "official support" means sertified
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure[/quote]
These kinds of statements is the #1 reason why so many people get confused and ask why their current 100/120Hz HDTV don't work.
Nvidia can use absolutely every single stereo3D system on the planet (which have nothing to do with the number of Hz) : the only reason why you can't use all of them is because Nvidia 3D vision is not an open system : it works with a white-list system, not with open system requirements.
Either the hardware has been tested and approved by nvidia and then it will work. Or it hasn't been approved and it's not supported.
as far as i know all you need for 3D Vision using is 100+HZ refresh rate of your monitor. but i'm not sure
These kinds of statements is the #1 reason why so many people get confused and ask why their current 100/120Hz HDTV don't work.
Nvidia can use absolutely every single stereo3D system on the planet (which have nothing to do with the number of Hz) : the only reason why you can't use all of them is because Nvidia 3D vision is not an open system : it works with a white-list system, not with open system requirements.
Either the hardware has been tested and approved by nvidia and then it will work. Or it hasn't been approved and it's not supported.
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I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?[/quote]
The only Samsung monitor that supports 3D is the 2233RZ
I ran the requirement thing for 3d vision to see if it works. But sadly it says i haven't got a compatible monitor, The weird thing is that it says this:
"Monitor
Recommended: Please visit the system requirements page for a full list of GeForce 3D Vision-Ready monitors.
You Have: SSSSSSSSSSSSS
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Monitor does not meet this requirement."
"You have: SSSSSSSSSSSS" ????
My monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2350<---
Anyone else having this problem?
The only Samsung monitor that supports 3D is the 2233RZ