BIOSHOCK 2- In game option for 3d Vision!
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[quote name='GitDat' post='999766' date='Feb 11 2010, 04:38 PM']What CRT are you using? I didn't know 3D Vision worked on CRT's :mellow:[/quote]

I can't answer for him as to what model it is, but I believe 3D Vision will work on 100hz CRTs using an old driver. I may be wrong though.
[quote name='GitDat' post='999766' date='Feb 11 2010, 04:38 PM']What CRT are you using? I didn't know 3D Vision worked on CRT's :mellow:



I can't answer for him as to what model it is, but I believe 3D Vision will work on 100hz CRTs using an old driver. I may be wrong though.

Posted 02/11/2010 10:45 PM   
[quote name='MistaP' post='999771' date='Feb 11 2010, 03:45 PM']I can't answer for him as to what model it is, but I believe 3D Vision will work on 100hz CRTs using an old driver. I may be wrong though.[/quote]

Hopefully they plan on bringing back support with the new beta driver. They should have the fewest obstacles possible for people wanting to dabble in 3d stereo. Chances are, once a person tastes it, they will buy better equipment eventually to improve the experience.
[quote name='MistaP' post='999771' date='Feb 11 2010, 03:45 PM']I can't answer for him as to what model it is, but I believe 3D Vision will work on 100hz CRTs using an old driver. I may be wrong though.



Hopefully they plan on bringing back support with the new beta driver. They should have the fewest obstacles possible for people wanting to dabble in 3d stereo. Chances are, once a person tastes it, they will buy better equipment eventually to improve the experience.

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Posted 02/11/2010 11:02 PM   
[quote name='pahncrd' post='999781' date='Feb 11 2010, 05:02 PM']Hopefully they plan on bringing back support with the new beta driver. They should have the fewest obstacles possible for people wanting to dabble in 3d stereo. Chances are, once a person tastes it, they will buy better equipment eventually to improve the experience.[/quote]

Yeah that is what happened to me. Avatar is to blame.

My biggest gripe about the 3d Vision as it is now is the framerate. My pc can maintain 60fps for the most part when in 3d ... but 60 fps I visibly notice as not being completely smooth. Now, I understand I am nitpicking and asking for something that basically doesn't exist. I am dreaming of the future. 240hz monitors with 120hz for each shutter anyone? Oh yes please! XD
[quote name='pahncrd' post='999781' date='Feb 11 2010, 05:02 PM']Hopefully they plan on bringing back support with the new beta driver. They should have the fewest obstacles possible for people wanting to dabble in 3d stereo. Chances are, once a person tastes it, they will buy better equipment eventually to improve the experience.



Yeah that is what happened to me. Avatar is to blame.



My biggest gripe about the 3d Vision as it is now is the framerate. My pc can maintain 60fps for the most part when in 3d ... but 60 fps I visibly notice as not being completely smooth. Now, I understand I am nitpicking and asking for something that basically doesn't exist. I am dreaming of the future. 240hz monitors with 120hz for each shutter anyone? Oh yes please! XD

Posted 02/11/2010 11:05 PM   
[quote name='MistaP' post='999783' date='Feb 11 2010, 06:05 PM']My biggest gripe about the 3d Vision as it is now is the framerate. My pc can maintain 60fps for the most part when in 3d ... but 60 fps I visibly notice as not being completely smooth.[/quote]

Yeah I'm not sure what that stuttering is with 3D enabled. It's just not as smooth as 2D. Not sure if it's fps or what it is actually :unsure:
[quote name='MistaP' post='999783' date='Feb 11 2010, 06:05 PM']My biggest gripe about the 3d Vision as it is now is the framerate. My pc can maintain 60fps for the most part when in 3d ... but 60 fps I visibly notice as not being completely smooth.



Yeah I'm not sure what that stuttering is with 3D enabled. It's just not as smooth as 2D. Not sure if it's fps or what it is actually :unsure:

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Posted 02/11/2010 11:21 PM   
[quote name='GitDat' post='999788' date='Feb 11 2010, 05:21 PM']Yeah I'm not sure what that stuttering is with 3D enabled. It's just not as smooth as 2D. Not sure if it's fps or what it is actually :unsure:[/quote]

It is just the technology and it is FPS/HZ. Essentially with 3D on you can expect your FPS to be cut in half. Being that 3d requires vsync your computer wont produce more than 120fps. This is effectively cut down to 60fps because each eye is only seeing every other frame so your mind sees it as 60 fps.

Thing is this is such a minor gripe. 60fps is plenty really and for many people 60fps seems smooth as it needs to be. Some of us though can see a difference between 60 - 85 or even 85 - 120.

Really I only feel like I NEED more than 60 fps when I am playing competatively. I wont use 3d competatively cause of the way vsync makes the mouse feel so its really no bother.

Also, when I am playing a game in 3D ... if I am actually playing the game I quit noticing that it isn't perfectly smooth anyway.

Like I said that wasn't so much a gripe about 3d Vision as it was a statement about what I want to see in future 3d implementations that are similar.
[quote name='GitDat' post='999788' date='Feb 11 2010, 05:21 PM']Yeah I'm not sure what that stuttering is with 3D enabled. It's just not as smooth as 2D. Not sure if it's fps or what it is actually :unsure:



It is just the technology and it is FPS/HZ. Essentially with 3D on you can expect your FPS to be cut in half. Being that 3d requires vsync your computer wont produce more than 120fps. This is effectively cut down to 60fps because each eye is only seeing every other frame so your mind sees it as 60 fps.



Thing is this is such a minor gripe. 60fps is plenty really and for many people 60fps seems smooth as it needs to be. Some of us though can see a difference between 60 - 85 or even 85 - 120.



Really I only feel like I NEED more than 60 fps when I am playing competatively. I wont use 3d competatively cause of the way vsync makes the mouse feel so its really no bother.



Also, when I am playing a game in 3D ... if I am actually playing the game I quit noticing that it isn't perfectly smooth anyway.



Like I said that wasn't so much a gripe about 3d Vision as it was a statement about what I want to see in future 3d implementations that are similar.

Posted 02/11/2010 11:28 PM   
Just had a try, BS2 is completly unplayable in 3D. Anyone else feel the same? I'm in one of the greatest shocks of my life. I enabled 3D Vision in the settings and yet the 3D's performance is totally unbearable. It's useless. I couldn't stand it more than a minute. Wtzup!?
Just had a try, BS2 is completly unplayable in 3D. Anyone else feel the same? I'm in one of the greatest shocks of my life. I enabled 3D Vision in the settings and yet the 3D's performance is totally unbearable. It's useless. I couldn't stand it more than a minute. Wtzup!?

CPU: QX6850 @ 3Ghz (default factory value)
GPU: GTX 295
RAM: 8 Gb DDR2

Geforce drivers installed: 257.15
3D Vision USB driver: CD 1.27

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Posted 02/12/2010 08:13 PM   
[quote name='GitDat' post='999766' date='Feb 11 2010, 10:38 PM']What CRT are you using? I didn't know 3D Vision worked on CRT's :mellow:[/quote]
Dell P1130 21" CRT. Yeah as long as your CRT does 100 or 120 Hz 3D Vision works fine, although expect to get some ghosting. Still a very nice 3D experience IMO.
[quote name='GitDat' post='999766' date='Feb 11 2010, 10:38 PM']What CRT are you using? I didn't know 3D Vision worked on CRT's :mellow:

Dell P1130 21" CRT. Yeah as long as your CRT does 100 or 120 Hz 3D Vision works fine, although expect to get some ghosting. Still a very nice 3D experience IMO.

Posted 02/12/2010 08:31 PM   
Playing on the Alienware now, it's very good, ghosting is minimal if you can go heavier on the Convergence, and lighter on the Depth. The new patch has NOT turned off the in-game Cursor when in 3D Vision mode, however, making aiming more difficult than 70% of any other FPS I've played with.

TECH REQUEST FOR GAME DEVELOPERS: Simple fix for the unbearable "floating" 3D Reticle: Allow any in-game 3D Enabled Crosshair to show in EITHER the LEFT or RIGHT eye sync image (user selected), not both. This solves it right away, as human beings are either right or left eye dominant.

USERS: To find out which eye is dominant for you, hold up your index finger to something roughly 6' away with both eyes open. Now close one eye, then the other. Whichever eye moves your finger off your target is your weaker eye, therefore making the one that does NOT move your dominant one.
Playing on the Alienware now, it's very good, ghosting is minimal if you can go heavier on the Convergence, and lighter on the Depth. The new patch has NOT turned off the in-game Cursor when in 3D Vision mode, however, making aiming more difficult than 70% of any other FPS I've played with.



TECH REQUEST FOR GAME DEVELOPERS: Simple fix for the unbearable "floating" 3D Reticle: Allow any in-game 3D Enabled Crosshair to show in EITHER the LEFT or RIGHT eye sync image (user selected), not both. This solves it right away, as human beings are either right or left eye dominant.



USERS: To find out which eye is dominant for you, hold up your index finger to something roughly 6' away with both eyes open. Now close one eye, then the other. Whichever eye moves your finger off your target is your weaker eye, therefore making the one that does NOT move your dominant one.

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Posted 02/12/2010 09:46 PM   
[quote name='thejinx' post='1000394' date='Feb 12 2010, 01:46 PM']Playing on the Alienware now, it's very good, ghosting is minimal if you can go heavier on the Convergence, and lighter on the Depth. The new patch has NOT turned off the in-game Cursor when in 3D Vision mode, however, making aiming more difficult than 70% of any other FPS I've played with.

TECH REQUEST FOR GAME DEVELOPERS: Simple fix for the unbearable "floating" 3D Reticle: Allow any in-game 3D Enabled Crosshair to show in EITHER the LEFT or RIGHT eye sync image (user selected), not both. This solves it right away, as human beings are either right or left eye dominant.

USERS: To find out which eye is dominant for you, hold up your index finger to something roughly 6' away with both eyes open. Now close one eye, then the other. Whichever eye moves your finger off your target is your weaker eye, therefore making the one that does NOT move your dominant one.[/quote]
You can't just show one image in one eye and not the other. That's not how left/right eye dominance works.
[quote name='thejinx' post='1000394' date='Feb 12 2010, 01:46 PM']Playing on the Alienware now, it's very good, ghosting is minimal if you can go heavier on the Convergence, and lighter on the Depth. The new patch has NOT turned off the in-game Cursor when in 3D Vision mode, however, making aiming more difficult than 70% of any other FPS I've played with.



TECH REQUEST FOR GAME DEVELOPERS: Simple fix for the unbearable "floating" 3D Reticle: Allow any in-game 3D Enabled Crosshair to show in EITHER the LEFT or RIGHT eye sync image (user selected), not both. This solves it right away, as human beings are either right or left eye dominant.



USERS: To find out which eye is dominant for you, hold up your index finger to something roughly 6' away with both eyes open. Now close one eye, then the other. Whichever eye moves your finger off your target is your weaker eye, therefore making the one that does NOT move your dominant one.

You can't just show one image in one eye and not the other. That's not how left/right eye dominance works.

Posted 02/12/2010 09:49 PM   
Rkuo, yes, yes you can. Apache Heads Up Displays, and Reflex Rifle sights DO work this way (ACOG, M68, EOTechs). We address this issue in the Army for Marksmanship and Aviators frequently, since it's hard for a left-eye, right hand person like me to use a red-dot sight through my right eye, so we have to teach alot of shooters to change their shooting style.

On the software side, if they can draw two separate POV's to create Image Parallax (thus creating 3D), then it's not exactly a huge leap of technology to show a reticle in only one of those images.
Rkuo, yes, yes you can. Apache Heads Up Displays, and Reflex Rifle sights DO work this way (ACOG, M68, EOTechs). We address this issue in the Army for Marksmanship and Aviators frequently, since it's hard for a left-eye, right hand person like me to use a red-dot sight through my right eye, so we have to teach alot of shooters to change their shooting style.



On the software side, if they can draw two separate POV's to create Image Parallax (thus creating 3D), then it's not exactly a huge leap of technology to show a reticle in only one of those images.

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Posted 02/12/2010 10:00 PM   
[quote name='thejinx' post='1000394' date='Feb 12 2010, 03:46 PM']Playing on the Alienware now, it's very good, ghosting is minimal if you can go heavier on the Convergence, and lighter on the Depth. The new patch has NOT turned off the in-game Cursor when in 3D Vision mode, however, making aiming more difficult than 70% of any other FPS I've played with.

TECH REQUEST FOR GAME DEVELOPERS: Simple fix for the unbearable "floating" 3D Reticle: Allow any in-game 3D Enabled Crosshair to show in EITHER the LEFT or RIGHT eye sync image (user selected), not both. This solves it right away, as human beings are either right or left eye dominant.

USERS: To find out which eye is dominant for you, hold up your index finger to something roughly 6' away with both eyes open. Now close one eye, then the other. Whichever eye moves your finger off your target is your weaker eye, therefore making the one that does NOT move your dominant one.[/quote]

I got some screenshots since the new patch up at this link. Stupid crosshair but its tolerable at lowest depth. I havn't played with conversion at all though.

[url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=159528&view=findpost&p=1000420"]http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtop...t&p=1000420[/url]
[quote name='thejinx' post='1000394' date='Feb 12 2010, 03:46 PM']Playing on the Alienware now, it's very good, ghosting is minimal if you can go heavier on the Convergence, and lighter on the Depth. The new patch has NOT turned off the in-game Cursor when in 3D Vision mode, however, making aiming more difficult than 70% of any other FPS I've played with.



TECH REQUEST FOR GAME DEVELOPERS: Simple fix for the unbearable "floating" 3D Reticle: Allow any in-game 3D Enabled Crosshair to show in EITHER the LEFT or RIGHT eye sync image (user selected), not both. This solves it right away, as human beings are either right or left eye dominant.



USERS: To find out which eye is dominant for you, hold up your index finger to something roughly 6' away with both eyes open. Now close one eye, then the other. Whichever eye moves your finger off your target is your weaker eye, therefore making the one that does NOT move your dominant one.



I got some screenshots since the new patch up at this link. Stupid crosshair but its tolerable at lowest depth. I havn't played with conversion at all though.



http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtop...t&p=1000420

Posted 02/12/2010 10:43 PM   
[quote name='thejinx' post='1000398' date='Feb 12 2010, 02:00 PM']Rkuo, yes, yes you can. Apache Heads Up Displays, and Reflex Rifle sights DO work this way (ACOG, M68, EOTechs). We address this issue in the Army for Marksmanship and Aviators frequently, since it's hard for a left-eye, right hand person like me to use a red-dot sight through my right eye, so we have to teach alot of shooters to change their shooting style.

On the software side, if they can draw two separate POV's to create Image Parallax (thus creating 3D), then it's not exactly a huge leap of technology to show a reticle in only one of those images.[/quote]
I suppose it can be trained in, but it's not very natural. You generally don't see images in just one eye in real life, so it's bound to be confusing. I don't think making crosshairs depth sensitive is so hard that a shortcut is necessary in this case.
[quote name='thejinx' post='1000398' date='Feb 12 2010, 02:00 PM']Rkuo, yes, yes you can. Apache Heads Up Displays, and Reflex Rifle sights DO work this way (ACOG, M68, EOTechs). We address this issue in the Army for Marksmanship and Aviators frequently, since it's hard for a left-eye, right hand person like me to use a red-dot sight through my right eye, so we have to teach alot of shooters to change their shooting style.



On the software side, if they can draw two separate POV's to create Image Parallax (thus creating 3D), then it's not exactly a huge leap of technology to show a reticle in only one of those images.

I suppose it can be trained in, but it's not very natural. You generally don't see images in just one eye in real life, so it's bound to be confusing. I don't think making crosshairs depth sensitive is so hard that a shortcut is necessary in this case.

Posted 02/12/2010 11:03 PM   
[quote name='rkuo' post='1000429' date='Feb 12 2010, 05:03 PM']I suppose it can be trained in, but it's not very natural. You generally don't see images in just one eye in real life, so it's bound to be confusing. I don't think making crosshairs depth sensitive is so hard that a shortcut is necessary in this case.[/quote]

It isn't necessary, buuuuuuuut I would like some kinda fix sooner rather than latter. Some fix is better than none.
[quote name='rkuo' post='1000429' date='Feb 12 2010, 05:03 PM']I suppose it can be trained in, but it's not very natural. You generally don't see images in just one eye in real life, so it's bound to be confusing. I don't think making crosshairs depth sensitive is so hard that a shortcut is necessary in this case.



It isn't necessary, buuuuuuuut I would like some kinda fix sooner rather than latter. Some fix is better than none.

Posted 02/12/2010 11:11 PM   
So Andrew any word on any fixes for this game on a driver? It seems 2K is busy patching their own issues ie: FOV, texture and adding AF/AA options.

I know Nvidia is good at getting those Drivers rolling! Let us know when Cheers
So Andrew any word on any fixes for this game on a driver? It seems 2K is busy patching their own issues ie: FOV, texture and adding AF/AA options.



I know Nvidia is good at getting those Drivers rolling! Let us know when Cheers

Posted 02/13/2010 12:02 AM   
I think it works well in almost everything.

The only problems I have is with the flare around lights and some refections in water. Other than that its ok.
I think it works well in almost everything.



The only problems I have is with the flare around lights and some refections in water. Other than that its ok.

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Posted 02/13/2010 12:54 AM   
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