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Hi Guys,
I was thinking - I really like this 3D technology, and do you know how I discovered it?
Someone in an EVGA website forum asked if anyone out there had drivers. It was then followed by a slew of emails inquiring about what the technology was all about.
Guess who went out to buy the glasses? /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' /> /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' /> /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' />
All this begging for drivers and complaining to NVIDIA is not the way to go. Yes, we want the drivers, but we aren't going to be the motivator.
In my enthusiasm, I wrote an email asking about BF2 Lasersight experiences on the BF2 forums, and the small thread got 3500 views - that's pretty good.
I'm not interested in promoting a brand, or a specific technology - they are all the same to me.
I think the benefits of the technology need to be brought to the gamers themsleves. Not by saying this is the greatest thing on earth, but asking our game related questions to those particular communities.
As much as the stereovision, stereo3d, and NVIDIA Stero forums have accomplished, a temporary plateau has been reached.
We have become a community who preaches to the choir!
I think more will be accomplished if we propose 3D stereo forums be developed on the gaming boards to discuss settings, experiences, and equipment that works well.
Ask some questions to the gaming forums about games that work well, etc. etc.
Don't promote - inquire.
The only caveat is our efforts will end of lineing Edimensional's and Ebay Sellers' pockets with essentially free promotion - but NVIDIA needs an active market to justify producing drivers on a regular basis.
The 3d product is very inexpensive. $30 is nothing. Even the hardware is cheap - a used CRT monitor.
This should be much more popular than it is.
I'll get off my soapbox now. Am I off my rocker? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
I was thinking - I really like this 3D technology, and do you know how I discovered it?
Someone in an EVGA website forum asked if anyone out there had drivers. It was then followed by a slew of emails inquiring about what the technology was all about.
Guess who went out to buy the glasses? /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' /> /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' /> /wave.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' />
All this begging for drivers and complaining to NVIDIA is not the way to go. Yes, we want the drivers, but we aren't going to be the motivator.
In my enthusiasm, I wrote an email asking about BF2 Lasersight experiences on the BF2 forums, and the small thread got 3500 views - that's pretty good.
I'm not interested in promoting a brand, or a specific technology - they are all the same to me.
I think the benefits of the technology need to be brought to the gamers themsleves. Not by saying this is the greatest thing on earth, but asking our game related questions to those particular communities.
As much as the stereovision, stereo3d, and NVIDIA Stero forums have accomplished, a temporary plateau has been reached.
We have become a community who preaches to the choir!
I think more will be accomplished if we propose 3D stereo forums be developed on the gaming boards to discuss settings, experiences, and equipment that works well.
Ask some questions to the gaming forums about games that work well, etc. etc.
Don't promote - inquire.
The only caveat is our efforts will end of lineing Edimensional's and Ebay Sellers' pockets with essentially free promotion - but NVIDIA needs an active market to justify producing drivers on a regular basis.
The 3d product is very inexpensive. $30 is nothing. Even the hardware is cheap - a used CRT monitor.
This should be much more popular than it is.
I'll get off my soapbox now. Am I off my rocker? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
I agree with what you're saying, but it's not just about investing money... it's about investing time and effort. There's alot of trial and troubleshooting when it comes to stereoscopic glasses. If they worked perfectly with every configuration, and people didn't have to worry about refresh rates or resolutions, it would be more popular. No one just dishes out money for something for no reason... they do reasearch. Truthfully, reading these forums and the difficulties some people have... I wouldn't get them. I reasearched for a long time before investing in them, and I think it's worth it. Then again, I don't mind spending hours in front of a computer in stalling, rebooting, fiddling with settings, and repeating... but the majority of people do. Once a product is out there that works with everything and has games configured for it so it's just a matter of turning it on or off... then they will be huge.
I agree with what you're saying, but it's not just about investing money... it's about investing time and effort. There's alot of trial and troubleshooting when it comes to stereoscopic glasses. If they worked perfectly with every configuration, and people didn't have to worry about refresh rates or resolutions, it would be more popular. No one just dishes out money for something for no reason... they do reasearch. Truthfully, reading these forums and the difficulties some people have... I wouldn't get them. I reasearched for a long time before investing in them, and I think it's worth it. Then again, I don't mind spending hours in front of a computer in stalling, rebooting, fiddling with settings, and repeating... but the majority of people do. Once a product is out there that works with everything and has games configured for it so it's just a matter of turning it on or off... then they will be huge.
You make a very valuable point about the need for ease of use and reliability before customer acceptance and popularity is the reality.
I would counter that the PC gaming market is filled with tech savvy individuals who are overly qualified for a 3D setup.
Being in Canada, the biggest electronics outfits are the Future Shops, Best Buys (who own Futureshop), and a few others.
Interestingly enough, they don't carry 6800 or 7800 video cards. They carry the old stuff that barely meets the specs of the current games.
It's the tech saavy gamers who go to Tomshardware or guru3d or whatever else to spend their every waking hour finding the best performing video card and gaming device.
If the 3D benefit wows them, they'll spend the time.
You make a very valuable point about the need for ease of use and reliability before customer acceptance and popularity is the reality.
I would counter that the PC gaming market is filled with tech savvy individuals who are overly qualified for a 3D setup.
Being in Canada, the biggest electronics outfits are the Future Shops, Best Buys (who own Futureshop), and a few others.
Interestingly enough, they don't carry 6800 or 7800 video cards. They carry the old stuff that barely meets the specs of the current games.
It's the tech saavy gamers who go to Tomshardware or guru3d or whatever else to spend their every waking hour finding the best performing video card and gaming device.
If the 3D benefit wows them, they'll spend the time.
Also if they know about the technology and want it but find it to anoying to configure at the moment, the market is still now begining to appear. You have people who want to buy a product so long as it is easy to use, now there is an incentive for developers to make products.
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
Also if they know about the technology and want it but find it to anoying to configure at the moment, the market is still now begining to appear. You have people who want to buy a product so long as it is easy to use, now there is an incentive for developers to make products.
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
[quote name='KeeperOfTheSoul' date='Mar 11 2006, 11:03 AM']Also if they know about the technology and want it but find it to anoying to configure at the moment, the market is still now begining to appear. You have people who want to buy a product so long as it is easy to use, now there is an incentive for developers to make products.
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
[right][post="75775"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] OR $20.000 U.S dollars no thanks.
[quote name='KeeperOfTheSoul' date='Mar 11 2006, 11:03 AM']Also if they know about the technology and want it but find it to anoying to configure at the moment, the market is still now begining to appear. You have people who want to buy a product so long as it is easy to use, now there is an incentive for developers to make products.
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
Mind you, my wife finds them very unattractive, and gets very embarrassed if I bring them up with friends - but from a gaming point of view, I don't think they are a problem at all. :wacko: :wacko:
I really think it's an awareness problem.
Also, looking at how the technology is marketed, it smells of "too good to be true" technology, when it really shouldn't.
If I worked for the Edimensional marketing team, I'd go to town with how the product is positioned and distributed!
Mind you, my wife finds them very unattractive, and gets very embarrassed if I bring them up with friends - but from a gaming point of view, I don't think they are a problem at all. :wacko: :wacko:
I really think it's an awareness problem.
Also, looking at how the technology is marketed, it smells of "too good to be true" technology, when it really shouldn't.
If I worked for the Edimensional marketing team, I'd go to town with how the product is positioned and distributed!
Hi Guys, I'm new to stereo 3d. Do you guys think part of the problem is the stereo driver support. I mean if people wanted to play a game in 3d out of the box it may not work or has to be tweaked to work correctly.
If so what do you think if there was a unofficial driver out there that was more up to date and worked easier for people that aren't technically gifted to tweak this and modify that. Stereo 3d might become alot more popular.
I'd actually be interested in looking into making some sort of unofficial driver. Not sure how hard it would be. Sounds to me like the nvidia stereo driver isn't technically a driver.
The problem might be lack of good crt monitors on the market that really support 3d stereo without being to high of a cost?
Anyway, I'm a noob to all this so I could be way off base. If someone would have said stereo 3d to me 4 wks ago I would have thought they were refering to audio and not visual. I was amazed when I found out about stereo 3d and jumping up and down. Maybe if Nvidia would call it Virtual reality drivers stereo 3d would be more popular.
Hi Guys, I'm new to stereo 3d. Do you guys think part of the problem is the stereo driver support. I mean if people wanted to play a game in 3d out of the box it may not work or has to be tweaked to work correctly.
If so what do you think if there was a unofficial driver out there that was more up to date and worked easier for people that aren't technically gifted to tweak this and modify that. Stereo 3d might become alot more popular.
I'd actually be interested in looking into making some sort of unofficial driver. Not sure how hard it would be. Sounds to me like the nvidia stereo driver isn't technically a driver.
The problem might be lack of good crt monitors on the market that really support 3d stereo without being to high of a cost?
Anyway, I'm a noob to all this so I could be way off base. If someone would have said stereo 3d to me 4 wks ago I would have thought they were refering to audio and not visual. I was amazed when I found out about stereo 3d and jumping up and down. Maybe if Nvidia would call it Virtual reality drivers stereo 3d would be more popular.
I think CRT monitors are easier to come by than you suggest. I got my IBM G97 19" for $70 used - and even then, I could probably have done better.
However, Edimensional has developed LCD glasses, and my understanding is that they work reasonably well.
Yes, driver support would be a big plus. NVIDIA's stereo file is a driver - or, at least it has a strong relationship with the workings of the NVIDIA driver.
Edimensional has a 3rd party driver, but it doesn't support pageflipping, and its compatibility is less than compatible.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I really commend NVIDIA's work thusfar on the stereo driver. Yes, it has its problems - but its successes are remarkable.
If you think you can write a comparable or superior driver that will work - you have my blessing!
Yes, I agree with your idea of a name change. Virtual Reality is a bit cliche and somewhat inaccurate in this case. Virtual 3D drivers, perhaps?
I think CRT monitors are easier to come by than you suggest. I got my IBM G97 19" for $70 used - and even then, I could probably have done better.
However, Edimensional has developed LCD glasses, and my understanding is that they work reasonably well.
Yes, driver support would be a big plus. NVIDIA's stereo file is a driver - or, at least it has a strong relationship with the workings of the NVIDIA driver.
Edimensional has a 3rd party driver, but it doesn't support pageflipping, and its compatibility is less than compatible.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I really commend NVIDIA's work thusfar on the stereo driver. Yes, it has its problems - but its successes are remarkable.
If you think you can write a comparable or superior driver that will work - you have my blessing!
Yes, I agree with your idea of a name change. Virtual Reality is a bit cliche and somewhat inaccurate in this case. Virtual 3D drivers, perhaps?
The point I was making was the display is only around twice the price of a top end 42" display (the screen itself is a 42", lcd 1,920 x 1,080).
This display is completly new, so its price is similar to when TFTs came out for the first time. So just have to wait for the device to be tailored to the consumer market as that screen is designed more for business such as presentations, etc.
The point I was making was the display is only around twice the price of a top end 42" display (the screen itself is a 42", lcd 1,920 x 1,080).
This display is completly new, so its price is similar to when TFTs came out for the first time. So just have to wait for the device to be tailored to the consumer market as that screen is designed more for business such as presentations, etc.
I was thinking - I really like this 3D technology, and do you know how I discovered it?
Someone in an EVGA website forum asked if anyone out there had drivers. It was then followed by a slew of emails inquiring about what the technology was all about.
Guess who went out to buy the glasses?
All this begging for drivers and complaining to NVIDIA is not the way to go. Yes, we want the drivers, but we aren't going to be the motivator.
In my enthusiasm, I wrote an email asking about BF2 Lasersight experiences on the BF2 forums, and the small thread got 3500 views - that's pretty good.
I'm not interested in promoting a brand, or a specific technology - they are all the same to me.
I think the benefits of the technology need to be brought to the gamers themsleves. Not by saying this is the greatest thing on earth, but asking our game related questions to those particular communities.
As much as the stereovision, stereo3d, and NVIDIA Stero forums have accomplished, a temporary plateau has been reached.
We have become a community who preaches to the choir!
I think more will be accomplished if we propose 3D stereo forums be developed on the gaming boards to discuss settings, experiences, and equipment that works well.
Ask some questions to the gaming forums about games that work well, etc. etc.
Don't promote - inquire.
The only caveat is our efforts will end of lineing Edimensional's and Ebay Sellers' pockets with essentially free promotion - but NVIDIA needs an active market to justify producing drivers on a regular basis.
The 3d product is very inexpensive. $30 is nothing. Even the hardware is cheap - a used CRT monitor.
This should be much more popular than it is.
I'll get off my soapbox now. Am I off my rocker? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Regards,
Chopper
I was thinking - I really like this 3D technology, and do you know how I discovered it?
Someone in an EVGA website forum asked if anyone out there had drivers. It was then followed by a slew of emails inquiring about what the technology was all about.
Guess who went out to buy the glasses?
All this begging for drivers and complaining to NVIDIA is not the way to go. Yes, we want the drivers, but we aren't going to be the motivator.
In my enthusiasm, I wrote an email asking about BF2 Lasersight experiences on the BF2 forums, and the small thread got 3500 views - that's pretty good.
I'm not interested in promoting a brand, or a specific technology - they are all the same to me.
I think the benefits of the technology need to be brought to the gamers themsleves. Not by saying this is the greatest thing on earth, but asking our game related questions to those particular communities.
As much as the stereovision, stereo3d, and NVIDIA Stero forums have accomplished, a temporary plateau has been reached.
We have become a community who preaches to the choir!
I think more will be accomplished if we propose 3D stereo forums be developed on the gaming boards to discuss settings, experiences, and equipment that works well.
Ask some questions to the gaming forums about games that work well, etc. etc.
Don't promote - inquire.
The only caveat is our efforts will end of lineing Edimensional's and Ebay Sellers' pockets with essentially free promotion - but NVIDIA needs an active market to justify producing drivers on a regular basis.
The 3d product is very inexpensive. $30 is nothing. Even the hardware is cheap - a used CRT monitor.
This should be much more popular than it is.
I'll get off my soapbox now. Am I off my rocker? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Regards,
Chopper
I would counter that the PC gaming market is filled with tech savvy individuals who are overly qualified for a 3D setup.
Being in Canada, the biggest electronics outfits are the Future Shops, Best Buys (who own Futureshop), and a few others.
Interestingly enough, they don't carry 6800 or 7800 video cards. They carry the old stuff that barely meets the specs of the current games.
It's the tech saavy gamers who go to Tomshardware or guru3d or whatever else to spend their every waking hour finding the best performing video card and gaming device.
If the 3D benefit wows them, they'll spend the time.
Regards,
Chopper
I would counter that the PC gaming market is filled with tech savvy individuals who are overly qualified for a 3D setup.
Being in Canada, the biggest electronics outfits are the Future Shops, Best Buys (who own Futureshop), and a few others.
Interestingly enough, they don't carry 6800 or 7800 video cards. They carry the old stuff that barely meets the specs of the current games.
It's the tech saavy gamers who go to Tomshardware or guru3d or whatever else to spend their every waking hour finding the best performing video card and gaming device.
If the 3D benefit wows them, they'll spend the time.
Regards,
Chopper
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
[right][post="75775"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post][/right][/quote] OR $20.000 U.S dollars no thanks.
The bigest obstical I can see is the need to wear special glasses, etc. This is why it hasn''t taken off. Still that could change soon with the new auto-stereoscopic display that Philips produced, I saw one a couple of weeks ago and they look amazing. The price is around 10,000 pounds, where a similar high quality 42" normal lcd tv can be as much as 5,000. So give it a few years perhaps and an affordable 3d LCD TV could be just around the corner (/me hopes).
Mind you, my wife finds them very unattractive, and gets very embarrassed if I bring them up with friends - but from a gaming point of view, I don't think they are a problem at all. :wacko: :wacko:
I really think it's an awareness problem.
Also, looking at how the technology is marketed, it smells of "too good to be true" technology, when it really shouldn't.
If I worked for the Edimensional marketing team, I'd go to town with how the product is positioned and distributed!
Regards,
Chopper
Mind you, my wife finds them very unattractive, and gets very embarrassed if I bring them up with friends - but from a gaming point of view, I don't think they are a problem at all. :wacko: :wacko:
I really think it's an awareness problem.
Also, looking at how the technology is marketed, it smells of "too good to be true" technology, when it really shouldn't.
If I worked for the Edimensional marketing team, I'd go to town with how the product is positioned and distributed!
Regards,
Chopper
If so what do you think if there was a unofficial driver out there that was more up to date and worked easier for people that aren't technically gifted to tweak this and modify that. Stereo 3d might become alot more popular.
I'd actually be interested in looking into making some sort of unofficial driver. Not sure how hard it would be. Sounds to me like the nvidia stereo driver isn't technically a driver.
The problem might be lack of good crt monitors on the market that really support 3d stereo without being to high of a cost?
Anyway, I'm a noob to all this so I could be way off base. If someone would have said stereo 3d to me 4 wks ago I would have thought they were refering to audio and not visual. I was amazed when I found out about stereo 3d and jumping up and down. Maybe if Nvidia would call it Virtual reality drivers stereo 3d would be more popular.
If so what do you think if there was a unofficial driver out there that was more up to date and worked easier for people that aren't technically gifted to tweak this and modify that. Stereo 3d might become alot more popular.
I'd actually be interested in looking into making some sort of unofficial driver. Not sure how hard it would be. Sounds to me like the nvidia stereo driver isn't technically a driver.
The problem might be lack of good crt monitors on the market that really support 3d stereo without being to high of a cost?
Anyway, I'm a noob to all this so I could be way off base. If someone would have said stereo 3d to me 4 wks ago I would have thought they were refering to audio and not visual. I was amazed when I found out about stereo 3d and jumping up and down. Maybe if Nvidia would call it Virtual reality drivers stereo 3d would be more popular.
I think CRT monitors are easier to come by than you suggest. I got my IBM G97 19" for $70 used - and even then, I could probably have done better.
However, Edimensional has developed LCD glasses, and my understanding is that they work reasonably well.
Yes, driver support would be a big plus. NVIDIA's stereo file is a driver - or, at least it has a strong relationship with the workings of the NVIDIA driver.
Edimensional has a 3rd party driver, but it doesn't support pageflipping, and its compatibility is less than compatible.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I really commend NVIDIA's work thusfar on the stereo driver. Yes, it has its problems - but its successes are remarkable.
If you think you can write a comparable or superior driver that will work - you have my blessing!
Yes, I agree with your idea of a name change. Virtual Reality is a bit cliche and somewhat inaccurate in this case. Virtual 3D drivers, perhaps?
Best wishes,
Chopper
I think CRT monitors are easier to come by than you suggest. I got my IBM G97 19" for $70 used - and even then, I could probably have done better.
However, Edimensional has developed LCD glasses, and my understanding is that they work reasonably well.
Yes, driver support would be a big plus. NVIDIA's stereo file is a driver - or, at least it has a strong relationship with the workings of the NVIDIA driver.
Edimensional has a 3rd party driver, but it doesn't support pageflipping, and its compatibility is less than compatible.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I really commend NVIDIA's work thusfar on the stereo driver. Yes, it has its problems - but its successes are remarkable.
If you think you can write a comparable or superior driver that will work - you have my blessing!
Yes, I agree with your idea of a name change. Virtual Reality is a bit cliche and somewhat inaccurate in this case. Virtual 3D drivers, perhaps?
Best wishes,
Chopper
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The point I was making was the display is only around twice the price of a top end 42" display (the screen itself is a 42", lcd 1,920 x 1,080).
This display is completly new, so its price is similar to when TFTs came out for the first time. So just have to wait for the device to be tailored to the consumer market as that screen is designed more for business such as presentations, etc.
The point I was making was the display is only around twice the price of a top end 42" display (the screen itself is a 42", lcd 1,920 x 1,080).
This display is completly new, so its price is similar to when TFTs came out for the first time. So just have to wait for the device to be tailored to the consumer market as that screen is designed more for business such as presentations, etc.