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[quote name='rdurand' post='947793' date='Nov 9 2009, 05:06 AM']No clue. I'm totally new to this. I have AT scans from a vender here in British Columbia. The vender says it is the format has has provided to numerous companies that are using PurView, but he does not have the ability to completely format them in house - just done to provincial government specs. Before I went down this road I had a sample sent to PurView for them to conform that it will work, so hoping they are able to follow though and assist with set up as promised.[/quote]
Forgot to ask what size of the power supply did you find you needed? I am running 550w Antec with a 3700, 150gig VelociRaptor for the OS and 2 x 1gig Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB in RAID 1 for data, 4x1gig DDR2 8500, Xeon 3110 (not OCed), and Asus P5K Deluxe. Previously had a Quadro 4500 x2, but apparently they are no drivers for it so I had to downgrade to the noticeably slower 3700 (1/2 the RAM).
[quote name='rdurand' post='947793' date='Nov 9 2009, 05:06 AM']No clue. I'm totally new to this. I have AT scans from a vender here in British Columbia. The vender says it is the format has has provided to numerous companies that are using PurView, but he does not have the ability to completely format them in house - just done to provincial government specs. Before I went down this road I had a sample sent to PurView for them to conform that it will work, so hoping they are able to follow though and assist with set up as promised.
Forgot to ask what size of the power supply did you find you needed? I am running 550w Antec with a 3700, 150gig VelociRaptor for the OS and 2 x 1gig Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB in RAID 1 for data, 4x1gig DDR2 8500, Xeon 3110 (not OCed), and Asus P5K Deluxe. Previously had a Quadro 4500 x2, but apparently they are no drivers for it so I had to downgrade to the noticeably slower 3700 (1/2 the RAM).
Too bad, no company in their right mind will continue to spend money and time to support an OS that is on its way out.
Since most of you dont have corporate licenses nor are your comps apart of a corporate company to the copy of WinXP, your OS support will be expiring in 7 months.
That whole 2014 extended support BS is only for businesses/enterprise, not consumer support.
Too bad, no company in their right mind will continue to spend money and time to support an OS that is on its way out.
Since most of you dont have corporate licenses nor are your comps apart of a corporate company to the copy of WinXP, your OS support will be expiring in 7 months.
That whole 2014 extended support BS is only for businesses/enterprise, not consumer support.
[quote name='rdurand' post='947795' date='Nov 8 2009, 11:12 PM']Forgot to ask what size of the power supply did you find you needed? I am running 550w Antec with a 3700, 150gig VelociRaptor for the OS and 2 x 1gig Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB in RAID 1 for data, 4x1gig DDR2 8500, Xeon 3110 (not OCed), and Asus P5K Deluxe. Previously had a Quadro 4500 x2, but apparently they are no drivers for it so I had to downgrade to the noticeably slower 3700 (1/2 the RAM).[/quote]
rdurand,
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.
[quote name='rdurand' post='947795' date='Nov 8 2009, 11:12 PM']Forgot to ask what size of the power supply did you find you needed? I am running 550w Antec with a 3700, 150gig VelociRaptor for the OS and 2 x 1gig Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB in RAID 1 for data, 4x1gig DDR2 8500, Xeon 3110 (not OCed), and Asus P5K Deluxe. Previously had a Quadro 4500 x2, but apparently they are no drivers for it so I had to downgrade to the noticeably slower 3700 (1/2 the RAM).
rdurand,
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.
Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation
What many people here fail to see is that large corporations just dont upgrade an OS. Many corporations software is written for a particular OS. To update that and the OS and retrain many people in the use of an OS that many havent even used in there spare time would be costly. And when I say costly we are talking figures in the terms of Dollars that scares the hell out of me. So many will hold off just as long as possible to make the jump. And some people are having issues with Windows 7. How would we like it if your banking instetution updates to a new OS this weekend and has massive problems getting things straightened out. Would you be receptive to hearing monday morning that you cant access your money?
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.
What many people here fail to see is that large corporations just dont upgrade an OS. Many corporations software is written for a particular OS. To update that and the OS and retrain many people in the use of an OS that many havent even used in there spare time would be costly. And when I say costly we are talking figures in the terms of Dollars that scares the hell out of me. So many will hold off just as long as possible to make the jump. And some people are having issues with Windows 7. How would we like it if your banking instetution updates to a new OS this weekend and has massive problems getting things straightened out. Would you be receptive to hearing monday morning that you cant access your money?
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.[/quote]
Hi BigLars,
Got it working well now. Seems to be stable with my smaller data set (27 photos - 200mb each), but will not load the larger one (222 photos of 1.2 to 1.4gig each). Wondering if this has more to do with hardware then the program. I also have a Quadro 4500x2, but there do not seem to be any drivers to use it. Whenever I load the larger dataset the images do not show up - just get a bright yellow or orange background.
When running it is really interesting. Image quality is definitely a factor and I can already see the 200mb files are not that great for detailed work. I also find that I can loose the stereo when I zoom in and out too much and have to either close my eyes, or zoom to the model extent to be able to re-focus. Drawing polygons is also more challenging then I expected, but I imagine that is a learning curve more than anything. At the 1:20 000 scale of the photos it is fine, but when trying to zoom in an digitize I have a hard time making the line 'stay' where I want it. I flip back and forth between the stereo images and an ortho to see how the lines I draw in stereo for hard lines, like buildings or roads, line up. Overall OK, but definitely see where some lines are off - likely inaccuracy in the orhto I guess?
I also find it much harder to see in stereo as soon I start adding line work as my vision is drawn to it and the images quickly seem to start separating into 2. So good thing is it seems to work fine, but the learning curve will be interesting, especially when I start bringing in less experienced GIS users. I do vegetation and ecosystem mapping and contract out the terrain mapping, so will see how it goes.
I am also interested in your previous comment regarding using a pen and tablet. Can you elaborate on your thought in that direction?
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.
Hi BigLars,
Got it working well now. Seems to be stable with my smaller data set (27 photos - 200mb each), but will not load the larger one (222 photos of 1.2 to 1.4gig each). Wondering if this has more to do with hardware then the program. I also have a Quadro 4500x2, but there do not seem to be any drivers to use it. Whenever I load the larger dataset the images do not show up - just get a bright yellow or orange background.
When running it is really interesting. Image quality is definitely a factor and I can already see the 200mb files are not that great for detailed work. I also find that I can loose the stereo when I zoom in and out too much and have to either close my eyes, or zoom to the model extent to be able to re-focus. Drawing polygons is also more challenging then I expected, but I imagine that is a learning curve more than anything. At the 1:20 000 scale of the photos it is fine, but when trying to zoom in an digitize I have a hard time making the line 'stay' where I want it. I flip back and forth between the stereo images and an ortho to see how the lines I draw in stereo for hard lines, like buildings or roads, line up. Overall OK, but definitely see where some lines are off - likely inaccuracy in the orhto I guess?
I also find it much harder to see in stereo as soon I start adding line work as my vision is drawn to it and the images quickly seem to start separating into 2. So good thing is it seems to work fine, but the learning curve will be interesting, especially when I start bringing in less experienced GIS users. I do vegetation and ecosystem mapping and contract out the terrain mapping, so will see how it goes.
I am also interested in your previous comment regarding using a pen and tablet. Can you elaborate on your thought in that direction?
Way to stick with it, rdurand. I too was imapressive by the image quality of PurVIEW. The photos we work with are also in the 100-300M range and that size seems to keep things from bogging down too much. The 3700 only has 512MB of memory so it's not going to want to deal with a lot of large images. We have similar-sized images but I need to convert them from 16-bit/4-band images to 8-bit/3-band to be able to work with them.
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the [url="http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/NextPage.aspx"]Geospatial Data Gateway[/url] should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few [url="http://www.wacom.com/intuos/medium.php"]Intuos4[/url] pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.
Way to stick with it, rdurand. I too was imapressive by the image quality of PurVIEW. The photos we work with are also in the 100-300M range and that size seems to keep things from bogging down too much. The 3700 only has 512MB of memory so it's not going to want to deal with a lot of large images. We have similar-sized images but I need to convert them from 16-bit/4-band images to 8-bit/3-band to be able to work with them.
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the Geospatial Data Gateway should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few Intuos4 pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.
Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation
[quote name='BigLars' post='949028' date='Nov 11 2009, 02:27 AM']Way to stick with it, rdurand. I too was imapressive by the image quality of PurVIEW. The photos we work with are also in the 100-300M range and that size seems to keep things from bogging down too much. The 3700 only has 512MB of memory so it's not going to want to deal with a lot of large images. We have similar-sized images but I need to convert them from 16-bit/4-band images to 8-bit/3-band to be able to work with them.
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the [url="http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/NextPage.aspx"]Geospatial Data Gateway[/url] should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few [url="http://www.wacom.com/intuos/medium.php"]Intuos4[/url] pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.[/quote]
Still working on a fix with the large images. They are looking at a possible error in the model first, and then going from there. PurView just told me about using a DEM for a surface control, so will give that a try. Really wish they would come out with a manual or something describing these kinds of things for new users, although I guess their target audience is mainly people who have all the background knowledge which I lack.
Using custom imagery and orthos that are flown for a municipality each year. Ortho is quite accurate according to the city engineering dept.
[quote name='BigLars' post='949028' date='Nov 11 2009, 02:27 AM']Way to stick with it, rdurand. I too was imapressive by the image quality of PurVIEW. The photos we work with are also in the 100-300M range and that size seems to keep things from bogging down too much. The 3700 only has 512MB of memory so it's not going to want to deal with a lot of large images. We have similar-sized images but I need to convert them from 16-bit/4-band images to 8-bit/3-band to be able to work with them.
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the Geospatial Data Gateway should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few Intuos4 pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.
Still working on a fix with the large images. They are looking at a possible error in the model first, and then going from there. PurView just told me about using a DEM for a surface control, so will give that a try. Really wish they would come out with a manual or something describing these kinds of things for new users, although I guess their target audience is mainly people who have all the background knowledge which I lack.
Using custom imagery and orthos that are flown for a municipality each year. Ortho is quite accurate according to the city engineering dept.
[quote name='ExtremeGrandpa' post='948067' date='Nov 9 2009, 06:13 PM']What many people here fail to see is that large corporations just dont upgrade an OS. Many corporations software is written for a particular OS. To update that and the OS and retrain many people in the use of an OS that many havent even used in there spare time would be costly. And when I say costly we are talking figures in the terms of Dollars that scares the hell out of me. So many will hold off just as long as possible to make the jump. And some people are having issues with Windows 7. How would we like it if your banking instetution updates to a new OS this weekend and has massive problems getting things straightened out. Would you be receptive to hearing monday morning that you cant access your money?
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.[/quote]
whilst this is true, it isnt like the big organisations have been pushed for time or dont have the required funds/resources. xp has been out for almost a decade, there have been TWO new operating systems released since XP and most corporations are still on XP. this is comparable to organisations sticking with windows 95 when xp was the OS everone used. Microsoft is party to blame, for breaking their regular upgrade cycle of about every 3 years (95 - 98 - 2000/xp) everyone got used to XP as there was no other OS out there and no talk of a new one. while the argument of custom built software is a valid one, it doesnt hold much ground or the business wont move forward and will get overtaken by other firms that ARE willing to actually use a DECENT DESIGN PATTERN that includes upgrading as necessary. i am studying this at university, and a program that isnt coded with upgrades in mind is considered badly coded. people need to stop hiding behind pretend excuses and hire some decent software developers.
[quote name='ExtremeGrandpa' post='948067' date='Nov 9 2009, 06:13 PM']What many people here fail to see is that large corporations just dont upgrade an OS. Many corporations software is written for a particular OS. To update that and the OS and retrain many people in the use of an OS that many havent even used in there spare time would be costly. And when I say costly we are talking figures in the terms of Dollars that scares the hell out of me. So many will hold off just as long as possible to make the jump. And some people are having issues with Windows 7. How would we like it if your banking instetution updates to a new OS this weekend and has massive problems getting things straightened out. Would you be receptive to hearing monday morning that you cant access your money?
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.
whilst this is true, it isnt like the big organisations have been pushed for time or dont have the required funds/resources. xp has been out for almost a decade, there have been TWO new operating systems released since XP and most corporations are still on XP. this is comparable to organisations sticking with windows 95 when xp was the OS everone used. Microsoft is party to blame, for breaking their regular upgrade cycle of about every 3 years (95 - 98 - 2000/xp) everyone got used to XP as there was no other OS out there and no talk of a new one. while the argument of custom built software is a valid one, it doesnt hold much ground or the business wont move forward and will get overtaken by other firms that ARE willing to actually use a DECENT DESIGN PATTERN that includes upgrading as necessary. i am studying this at university, and a program that isnt coded with upgrades in mind is considered badly coded. people need to stop hiding behind pretend excuses and hire some decent software developers.
[quote name='Qazax' post='949035' date='Nov 11 2009, 02:43 AM']whilst this is true, it isnt like the big organisations have been pushed for time or dont have the required funds/resources. xp has been out for almost a decade, there have been TWO new operating systems released since XP and most corporations are still on XP. this is comparable to organisations sticking with windows 95 when xp was the OS everone used. Microsoft is party to blame, for breaking their regular upgrade cycle of about every 3 years (95 - 98 - 2000/xp) everyone got used to XP as there was no other OS out there and no talk of a new one. while the argument of custom built software is a valid one, it doesnt hold much ground or the business wont move forward and will get overtaken by other firms that ARE willing to actually use a DECENT DESIGN PATTERN that includes upgrading as necessary. i am studying this at university, and a program that isnt coded with upgrades in mind is considered badly coded. people need to stop hiding behind pretend excuses and hire some decent software developers.
/rant[/quote]
Unless you are a small business owner like me who has purchased very expensive software and hardware and it is more or less working perfectly for my needs. I hope to upgrade to Win 7 one day, but I am very happy I did not waste my money and time on Vista as it was useless for me. With the exception of maybe half a dozen drivers, there is nothing that XP can not do for me right now, and the cost and time to move to another OS at this point, when I do not know if it will meet my needs, are just not something I care to experience at the moment. Cost of the OS alone is largely irrelevant. And besides third party drivers, it means pretty much nothing to me if MS ends XP support as very few of their endless upgrades help me in anyway. In fact I turned of updates years ago and little impact.
So in my opinion there is a sizable market for people like me for the near future. I spend thousands each year on software and hardware so it is not like there is no money in it.
[quote name='Qazax' post='949035' date='Nov 11 2009, 02:43 AM']whilst this is true, it isnt like the big organisations have been pushed for time or dont have the required funds/resources. xp has been out for almost a decade, there have been TWO new operating systems released since XP and most corporations are still on XP. this is comparable to organisations sticking with windows 95 when xp was the OS everone used. Microsoft is party to blame, for breaking their regular upgrade cycle of about every 3 years (95 - 98 - 2000/xp) everyone got used to XP as there was no other OS out there and no talk of a new one. while the argument of custom built software is a valid one, it doesnt hold much ground or the business wont move forward and will get overtaken by other firms that ARE willing to actually use a DECENT DESIGN PATTERN that includes upgrading as necessary. i am studying this at university, and a program that isnt coded with upgrades in mind is considered badly coded. people need to stop hiding behind pretend excuses and hire some decent software developers.
/rant
Unless you are a small business owner like me who has purchased very expensive software and hardware and it is more or less working perfectly for my needs. I hope to upgrade to Win 7 one day, but I am very happy I did not waste my money and time on Vista as it was useless for me. With the exception of maybe half a dozen drivers, there is nothing that XP can not do for me right now, and the cost and time to move to another OS at this point, when I do not know if it will meet my needs, are just not something I care to experience at the moment. Cost of the OS alone is largely irrelevant. And besides third party drivers, it means pretty much nothing to me if MS ends XP support as very few of their endless upgrades help me in anyway. In fact I turned of updates years ago and little impact.
So in my opinion there is a sizable market for people like me for the near future. I spend thousands each year on software and hardware so it is not like there is no money in it.
Forgot to ask what size of the power supply did you find you needed? I am running 550w Antec with a 3700, 150gig VelociRaptor for the OS and 2 x 1gig Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB in RAID 1 for data, 4x1gig DDR2 8500, Xeon 3110 (not OCed), and Asus P5K Deluxe. Previously had a Quadro 4500 x2, but apparently they are no drivers for it so I had to downgrade to the noticeably slower 3700 (1/2 the RAM).
Forgot to ask what size of the power supply did you find you needed? I am running 550w Antec with a 3700, 150gig VelociRaptor for the OS and 2 x 1gig Western Digital Cavier Black 1TB in RAID 1 for data, 4x1gig DDR2 8500, Xeon 3110 (not OCed), and Asus P5K Deluxe. Previously had a Quadro 4500 x2, but apparently they are no drivers for it so I had to downgrade to the noticeably slower 3700 (1/2 the RAM).
Because other than that i would figure nv should focus on the current os`s not xp
Because other than that i would figure nv should focus on the current os`s not xp
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Since most of you dont have corporate licenses nor are your comps apart of a corporate company to the copy of WinXP, your OS support will be expiring in 7 months.
That whole 2014 extended support BS is only for businesses/enterprise, not consumer support.
Since most of you dont have corporate licenses nor are your comps apart of a corporate company to the copy of WinXP, your OS support will be expiring in 7 months.
That whole 2014 extended support BS is only for businesses/enterprise, not consumer support.
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rdurand,
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.
rdurand,
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.
Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.[/quote]
Hi BigLars,
Got it working well now. Seems to be stable with my smaller data set (27 photos - 200mb each), but will not load the larger one (222 photos of 1.2 to 1.4gig each). Wondering if this has more to do with hardware then the program. I also have a Quadro 4500x2, but there do not seem to be any drivers to use it. Whenever I load the larger dataset the images do not show up - just get a bright yellow or orange background.
When running it is really interesting. Image quality is definitely a factor and I can already see the 200mb files are not that great for detailed work. I also find that I can loose the stereo when I zoom in and out too much and have to either close my eyes, or zoom to the model extent to be able to re-focus. Drawing polygons is also more challenging then I expected, but I imagine that is a learning curve more than anything. At the 1:20 000 scale of the photos it is fine, but when trying to zoom in an digitize I have a hard time making the line 'stay' where I want it. I flip back and forth between the stereo images and an ortho to see how the lines I draw in stereo for hard lines, like buildings or roads, line up. Overall OK, but definitely see where some lines are off - likely inaccuracy in the orhto I guess?
I also find it much harder to see in stereo as soon I start adding line work as my vision is drawn to it and the images quickly seem to start separating into 2. So good thing is it seems to work fine, but the learning curve will be interesting, especially when I start bringing in less experienced GIS users. I do vegetation and ecosystem mapping and contract out the terrain mapping, so will see how it goes.
I am also interested in your previous comment regarding using a pen and tablet. Can you elaborate on your thought in that direction?
This 32-bit XP Pro pc is nearly four years old and only has a 305W PSU. Our workstations come with 1000W+ PSUs so you may be a little short. Looks like 1000W PSUs start at around $175 but if you're in the market, maybe 1200W will future proof you for awhile. I'm also using 4 non-RAID SATA drives, 1 of which is dedicated to the OS. CPU is an Intel Xeon E5430 with 16G of RAM. The 3700 is showing it age and its limitations when working with large images (1G+) so I'm going to start angling for an upgrade.
FYI to others who feel compelled to address the XP issue - I would love to transition to 7 yesterday but, on our work PCs, that's not my call. Corporate/enterprise IT moves at a glacial pace and when thousands of people have to use the same apps, upgrades of any kind are far and few between. I'll be stunned if we migrate to 7 before the end of 2011 so the extended support of XP by MS and Nvidia is critical to my livelihood and other's. MS obviously knows this and that's why that support date is nearly five years out. I really hope we don't we don't need that much time but that decision is made by other people, far removed from my situation.
Hi BigLars,
Got it working well now. Seems to be stable with my smaller data set (27 photos - 200mb each), but will not load the larger one (222 photos of 1.2 to 1.4gig each). Wondering if this has more to do with hardware then the program. I also have a Quadro 4500x2, but there do not seem to be any drivers to use it. Whenever I load the larger dataset the images do not show up - just get a bright yellow or orange background.
When running it is really interesting. Image quality is definitely a factor and I can already see the 200mb files are not that great for detailed work. I also find that I can loose the stereo when I zoom in and out too much and have to either close my eyes, or zoom to the model extent to be able to re-focus. Drawing polygons is also more challenging then I expected, but I imagine that is a learning curve more than anything. At the 1:20 000 scale of the photos it is fine, but when trying to zoom in an digitize I have a hard time making the line 'stay' where I want it. I flip back and forth between the stereo images and an ortho to see how the lines I draw in stereo for hard lines, like buildings or roads, line up. Overall OK, but definitely see where some lines are off - likely inaccuracy in the orhto I guess?
I also find it much harder to see in stereo as soon I start adding line work as my vision is drawn to it and the images quickly seem to start separating into 2. So good thing is it seems to work fine, but the learning curve will be interesting, especially when I start bringing in less experienced GIS users. I do vegetation and ecosystem mapping and contract out the terrain mapping, so will see how it goes.
I am also interested in your previous comment regarding using a pen and tablet. Can you elaborate on your thought in that direction?
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the [url="http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/NextPage.aspx"]Geospatial Data Gateway[/url] should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few [url="http://www.wacom.com/intuos/medium.php"]Intuos4[/url] pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the Geospatial Data Gateway should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few Intuos4 pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.
Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the [url="http://datagateway.nrcs.usda.gov/NextPage.aspx"]Geospatial Data Gateway[/url] should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few [url="http://www.wacom.com/intuos/medium.php"]Intuos4[/url] pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.[/quote]
Still working on a fix with the large images. They are looking at a possible error in the model first, and then going from there. PurView just told me about using a DEM for a surface control, so will give that a try. Really wish they would come out with a manual or something describing these kinds of things for new users, although I guess their target audience is mainly people who have all the background knowledge which I lack.
Using custom imagery and orthos that are flown for a municipality each year. Ortho is quite accurate according to the city engineering dept.
Are you using NAIP orthos or orthos generated by the vendor? Accuracy can vary quite a bit but the county-based orthos available through the Geospatial Data Gateway should be accurate to 10 meters or better. Are you using a background DEM to 'drape' your linework on the photo? I know PurVIEW has that capability and that using a DEM should help fuse the line to the image/ground while maintaining a good stereo view. You should be able to get in a lot closer than 1:20k without losing stereo.
We purchased a few Intuos4 pen/tablet combos, hoping to mimic the stereoscope/technical pen feel used in traditional photointerpretation. We also have an older (and cheaper) Bamboo Fun pen/tablet with similar features and behavior. Unfortunately, we're still trying to iron out some sensitivity/speed issues (mice, on the other hand, work fine, but the pen is easier to control in 2D environments). This transition from analog to digital image interpretation hasn't gone as smooth as I had hoped but we're making small gains. Keep us posted on your successes and I'll do the same.
Still working on a fix with the large images. They are looking at a possible error in the model first, and then going from there. PurView just told me about using a DEM for a surface control, so will give that a try. Really wish they would come out with a manual or something describing these kinds of things for new users, although I guess their target audience is mainly people who have all the background knowledge which I lack.
Using custom imagery and orthos that are flown for a municipality each year. Ortho is quite accurate according to the city engineering dept.
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.[/quote]
whilst this is true, it isnt like the big organisations have been pushed for time or dont have the required funds/resources. xp has been out for almost a decade, there have been TWO new operating systems released since XP and most corporations are still on XP. this is comparable to organisations sticking with windows 95 when xp was the OS everone used. Microsoft is party to blame, for breaking their regular upgrade cycle of about every 3 years (95 - 98 - 2000/xp) everyone got used to XP as there was no other OS out there and no talk of a new one. while the argument of custom built software is a valid one, it doesnt hold much ground or the business wont move forward and will get overtaken by other firms that ARE willing to actually use a DECENT DESIGN PATTERN that includes upgrading as necessary. i am studying this at university, and a program that isnt coded with upgrades in mind is considered badly coded. people need to stop hiding behind pretend excuses and hire some decent software developers.
/rant
I think not. There is a much bigger picture that most dont see about how Corporations have to operate. Most people are just content to know that things still operate as they should. So they never learn.
But for gaming XP is a dying OS and will loose support quickly for the main stream user. Its sad but its truth.
whilst this is true, it isnt like the big organisations have been pushed for time or dont have the required funds/resources. xp has been out for almost a decade, there have been TWO new operating systems released since XP and most corporations are still on XP. this is comparable to organisations sticking with windows 95 when xp was the OS everone used. Microsoft is party to blame, for breaking their regular upgrade cycle of about every 3 years (95 - 98 - 2000/xp) everyone got used to XP as there was no other OS out there and no talk of a new one. while the argument of custom built software is a valid one, it doesnt hold much ground or the business wont move forward and will get overtaken by other firms that ARE willing to actually use a DECENT DESIGN PATTERN that includes upgrading as necessary. i am studying this at university, and a program that isnt coded with upgrades in mind is considered badly coded. people need to stop hiding behind pretend excuses and hire some decent software developers.
/rant
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[quote name='The Professor' date='11 August 2011 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1313055223' post='1277858']
I think Qazax is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.
/rant[/quote]
Unless you are a small business owner like me who has purchased very expensive software and hardware and it is more or less working perfectly for my needs. I hope to upgrade to Win 7 one day, but I am very happy I did not waste my money and time on Vista as it was useless for me. With the exception of maybe half a dozen drivers, there is nothing that XP can not do for me right now, and the cost and time to move to another OS at this point, when I do not know if it will meet my needs, are just not something I care to experience at the moment. Cost of the OS alone is largely irrelevant. And besides third party drivers, it means pretty much nothing to me if MS ends XP support as very few of their endless upgrades help me in anyway. In fact I turned of updates years ago and little impact.
So in my opinion there is a sizable market for people like me for the near future. I spend thousands each year on software and hardware so it is not like there is no money in it.
/rant
Unless you are a small business owner like me who has purchased very expensive software and hardware and it is more or less working perfectly for my needs. I hope to upgrade to Win 7 one day, but I am very happy I did not waste my money and time on Vista as it was useless for me. With the exception of maybe half a dozen drivers, there is nothing that XP can not do for me right now, and the cost and time to move to another OS at this point, when I do not know if it will meet my needs, are just not something I care to experience at the moment. Cost of the OS alone is largely irrelevant. And besides third party drivers, it means pretty much nothing to me if MS ends XP support as very few of their endless upgrades help me in anyway. In fact I turned of updates years ago and little impact.
So in my opinion there is a sizable market for people like me for the near future. I spend thousands each year on software and hardware so it is not like there is no money in it.