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Tadaa....... Pimax kickstarter has finished and i BAILED at the Final hours. I had been bombarding pimax for last months about can i connect my geobox to 8k X and play my 3D vision games with it. Well i finally got an answer 5h before the end of kickstarter. It said, they have not tested geobox but it should light up 8kX's displays, allthough the gyroscope does not work (oviously) warping and algorithms (kind of what was asking ) so it should work but youneed to TaKe into account the fact it needs warping. Ok. I have warp function in my geobox, i use it to correct image on my curved screen. But i started thingking, i remembered that wnstv (maker of geobox) had a separate product for oculus dk2 to use with Any input, and i was thinking to myself it reguires a lot of warpin, i better check from the manufacturer is my geobox capable of that extreme warp. So i contacted Steve and he said no you need the new g601 model.... well im not ready pay another 1000€+ for another demultiplexer as the 501 is working just fine with my dual projector setup. And i don't know how much there is left of the resolution after i warp the Hell out of it. And the 8kX is not even prototype yet and it supposedly do not have Any upscaler so i just wonder how they aRe going to get Any games run with it. Running 2 x 4K screens @90hz isn'st that easily done LOL. So i decided shit, ill downgrade to 8k After while i was thinking to my self 500+shipping 50+base stadion 75 .... i propably need controllers as few VR games are gapad games +200 that sums up to 825 dollars and when it hits Finland its 825-> euros + 30% (Toll and taxes) . AM I GONNA PAY THAT MUCH FOR A PROMISE ? The hdm is only 1440p per eye upscaled to 4K per eye....what am i gonna play with it..i just wanted to Try few horror games. I hate standin around and i just wanna use my controller to control. i wanna enjoy good visuals. The hmd even at its best its crap to wear compared to cheap passive glasses. I always feel like im staring a screen thats cramp up to my face. Face sweats. And all this im gonna buy closer to 1000€ euros with absolutely no guarantee of anything. Yes the few youtubers made great reviews and propably the 8k is still a good device and will raise the Bar but as a kickstarter it has no obligation what so ever produce anything they promised if they choose. Im not that mad. Anyways im bying a new system now and i need more gpu power asap so money is spend anyways alot. id rather wait and see how the 8kX shapes up and maby find if anyone is interested bying my g501 for a good Price to upgrade so i might Try out my plans but well see who knows if the 8kX even gonna have dual inputs like its said to be. Anyways 2h prev the closure of kickstarter i CANCELLED MY PLEDGE
Tadaa.......

Pimax kickstarter has finished and i BAILED at the Final hours.

I had been bombarding pimax for last months about can i connect my geobox to 8k X and play my 3D vision games with it.
Well i finally got an answer 5h before the end of kickstarter. It said, they have not tested geobox but it should light up 8kX's displays, allthough the gyroscope does not work (oviously) warping and algorithms (kind of what was asking ) so it should work but youneed to TaKe into account the fact it needs warping.
Ok. I have warp function in my geobox, i use it to correct image on my curved screen.
But i started thingking, i remembered that wnstv (maker of geobox) had a separate product for oculus dk2 to use with Any input, and i was thinking to myself it reguires a lot of warpin, i better check from the manufacturer is my geobox capable of that extreme warp.
So i contacted Steve and he said no you need the new g601 model.... well im not ready pay another 1000€+ for another demultiplexer as the 501 is working just fine with my dual projector setup. And i don't know how much there is left of the resolution after i warp the Hell out of it. And the 8kX is not even prototype yet and it supposedly do not have Any upscaler so i just wonder how they aRe going to get Any games run with it. Running 2 x 4K screens @90hz isn'st that easily done LOL.
So i decided shit, ill downgrade to 8k
After while i was thinking to my self 500+shipping 50+base stadion 75 .... i propably need controllers as few VR games are gapad games +200 that sums up to 825 dollars and when it hits Finland its 825-> euros + 30% (Toll and taxes) .
AM I GONNA PAY THAT MUCH FOR A PROMISE ?
The hdm is only 1440p per eye upscaled to 4K per eye....what am i gonna play with it..i just wanted to Try few horror games.
I hate standin around and i just wanna use my controller to control. i wanna enjoy good visuals.
The hmd even at its best its crap to wear compared to cheap passive glasses. I always feel like im staring a screen thats cramp up to my face. Face sweats. And all this im gonna buy closer to 1000€ euros with absolutely no guarantee of anything.
Yes the few youtubers made great reviews and propably the 8k is still a good device and will raise the Bar but as a kickstarter it has no obligation what so ever produce anything they promised if they choose.
Im not that mad. Anyways im bying a new system now and i need more gpu power asap so money is spend anyways alot.

id rather wait and see how the 8kX shapes up and maby find if anyone is interested bying my g501 for a good Price to upgrade so i might Try out my plans but well see who knows if the 8kX even gonna have dual inputs like its said to be.

Anyways 2h prev the closure of kickstarter i CANCELLED MY PLEDGE

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#31
Posted 11/04/2017 04:18 PM   
Sorry it didn’t meet your hardware goals but its still gonna be a great HMD and well worth pledging for!
Sorry it didn’t meet your hardware goals but its still gonna be a great HMD and well worth pledging for!

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#32
Posted 11/05/2017 01:47 PM   
Yes its has the potential to be great, time will tell. Worth pledging maby, time will tell
Yes its has the potential to be great, time will tell.
Worth pledging maby, time will tell

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#33
Posted 11/05/2017 02:02 PM   
I'm generally skeptical of all things, because I don't like being taken advantage of. This Pimax kickstarter piqued my curiousity, but also set off my BS detector. I wish them the best, I would love to have the 200 degree FOV. But it just does not seem likely to reach the quality bar that we are accustomed to with Vive and Oculus. Their use of HDMI originally, and the late breaking news about it being only 75Hz was a final deal breaker for me. Their brainwarp thing is a hack to allow them to run at a perceived higher frame rate, and might actually be OK. It's similar to the technique that Helifax used for OpenGL fixes (and RageDemon suggested), where if you do alternate eyes at high enough refresh, you don't need simultaneous 3D. I'm skeptical of this for VR, but as far as I know, no one has tried this. You need to be able to pull full 150Hz for a given game however. I have not researched extensively, but as far as I know there are no chips that can do 90Hz 4K displays. They don't exist. Let alone, two displays. Without a chip to run the fancy wire from the computer to the display, it won't work. This is not magic, it's all engineering, and the bandwidth requirements for dual 4K displays at 90Hz is beyond our current reach, and beyond any declared spec like DP or HDMI. They do not seem to me to be the engineering team that will solve these problems. But maybe. If they succeed, I will definitely be in line to pick one up, even at a higher price. Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but am trying to inject a note of caution that you might be disappointed.
I'm generally skeptical of all things, because I don't like being taken advantage of. This Pimax kickstarter piqued my curiousity, but also set off my BS detector.

I wish them the best, I would love to have the 200 degree FOV. But it just does not seem likely to reach the quality bar that we are accustomed to with Vive and Oculus. Their use of HDMI originally, and the late breaking news about it being only 75Hz was a final deal breaker for me.

Their brainwarp thing is a hack to allow them to run at a perceived higher frame rate, and might actually be OK. It's similar to the technique that Helifax used for OpenGL fixes (and RageDemon suggested), where if you do alternate eyes at high enough refresh, you don't need simultaneous 3D. I'm skeptical of this for VR, but as far as I know, no one has tried this. You need to be able to pull full 150Hz for a given game however.


I have not researched extensively, but as far as I know there are no chips that can do 90Hz 4K displays. They don't exist. Let alone, two displays. Without a chip to run the fancy wire from the computer to the display, it won't work.

This is not magic, it's all engineering, and the bandwidth requirements for dual 4K displays at 90Hz is beyond our current reach, and beyond any declared spec like DP or HDMI.

They do not seem to me to be the engineering team that will solve these problems. But maybe. If they succeed, I will definitely be in line to pick one up, even at a higher price.

Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but am trying to inject a note of caution that you might be disappointed.

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#34
Posted 11/05/2017 09:46 PM   
bo3b speaker the truth. All these Things were on my list also. -the Was decieving info (caught red handed) -if you can read betweenlines you understand they Are overclocking and hoping to get 90hz It Was kind of funny that it Was said you get the hmd ”almoust with the cost of materials” ...can’t stop laughing As Any thing nowdays costs like 1/5th of retail to manufacture. I doubt they will sell the 8k for 2500-3000 dollars when in retail. Better wait for tested device and buy retail with the possibility to return
bo3b speaker the truth. All these Things were on my list also.
-the Was decieving info (caught red handed)
-if you can read betweenlines you understand they Are overclocking and hoping to get 90hz

It Was kind of funny that it Was said you get the hmd ”almoust with the cost of materials” ...can’t stop laughing
As Any thing nowdays costs like 1/5th of retail to manufacture. I doubt they will sell the 8k for 2500-3000 dollars when in retail.

Better wait for tested device and buy retail with the possibility to return

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#35
Posted 11/05/2017 10:32 PM   
I really like what Pimax is doing and how it might help to force the other players to work harder on their second generation, coz if they can pull off what they promise that might raise the bar and the other players might need to follow. But I'd also hold off until the product release. I also like the Oculus exclusive games and their applications. In my opinion, they are the best and the new dash will be amazing as well, so I don't really want to leave the Oculus platform as so far Valve hasn't done as much for VR and I would rather wait for a second gen from Oculus, just hope they don't mess up with the hardware of the second gen coz their VR platform is the best. Bo3b, just something to mention about the Pimax, it has two 4k displays, however you won't need a powerful machine to run the games at that resolution, even a GTX 1070 will run with the same performance as the current headsets Vive/Rift because there is a chip in the Pimax that does the upscaling to 4k.
I really like what Pimax is doing and how it might help to force the other players to work harder on their second generation, coz if they can pull off what they promise that might raise the bar and the other players might need to follow. But I'd also hold off until the product release.
I also like the Oculus exclusive games and their applications. In my opinion, they are the best and the new dash will be amazing as well, so I don't really want to leave the Oculus platform as so far Valve hasn't done as much for VR and I would rather wait for a second gen from Oculus, just hope they don't mess up with the hardware of the second gen coz their VR platform is the best.

Bo3b, just something to mention about the Pimax, it has two 4k displays, however you won't need a powerful machine to run the games at that resolution, even a GTX 1070 will run with the same performance as the current headsets Vive/Rift because there is a chip in the Pimax that does the upscaling to 4k.

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#36
Posted 11/06/2017 12:09 AM   
[quote="J0hnnieW4ker"]I really like what Pimax is doing and how it might help to force the other players to work harder on their second generation, coz if they can pull off what they promise that might raise the bar and the other players might need to follow. But I'd also hold off until the product release. I also like the Oculus exclusive games and their applications. In my opinion, they are the best and the new dash will be amazing as well, so I don't really want to leave the Oculus platform as so far Valve hasn't done as much for VR and I would rather wait for a second gen from Oculus, just hope they don't mess up with the hardware of the second gen coz their VR platform is the best. Bo3b, just something to mention about the Pimax, it has two 4k displays, however you won't need a powerful machine to run the games at that resolution, even a GTX 1070 will run with the same performance as the current headsets Vive/Rift because there is a chip in the Pimax that does the upscaling to 4k.[/quote] Im same Bar with you on the ”Hopefully raise the bar” Hopefully the upscaler is good so the end result wont be Alot blurred. As you Oculus and vive users what do you say to this. Someone said you could use the steam to render under 1 so basicly You could render At fullhd and output 4k times two ? Here im talking about the 8kX that i wonder how they gonna make it Work with those resolutions and 90!hz as there is suppose to be No scaler chip inside
J0hnnieW4ker said:I really like what Pimax is doing and how it might help to force the other players to work harder on their second generation, coz if they can pull off what they promise that might raise the bar and the other players might need to follow. But I'd also hold off until the product release.
I also like the Oculus exclusive games and their applications. In my opinion, they are the best and the new dash will be amazing as well, so I don't really want to leave the Oculus platform as so far Valve hasn't done as much for VR and I would rather wait for a second gen from Oculus, just hope they don't mess up with the hardware of the second gen coz their VR platform is the best.

Bo3b, just something to mention about the Pimax, it has two 4k displays, however you won't need a powerful machine to run the games at that resolution, even a GTX 1070 will run with the same performance as the current headsets Vive/Rift because there is a chip in the Pimax that does the upscaling to 4k.


Im same Bar with you on the ”Hopefully raise the bar”

Hopefully the upscaler is good so the end result wont be Alot blurred.

As you Oculus and vive users what do you say to this. Someone said you could use the steam to render under 1 so basicly
You could render At fullhd and output 4k times two ?
Here im talking about the 8kX that i wonder how they gonna make it Work with those resolutions and 90!hz as there is suppose to be
No scaler chip inside

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#37
Posted 11/06/2017 07:33 AM   
[quote="Metal-O-Holic"][quote="J0hnnieW4ker"]I really like what Pimax is doing and how it might help to force the other players to work harder on their second generation, coz if they can pull off what they promise that might raise the bar and the other players might need to follow. But I'd also hold off until the product release. I also like the Oculus exclusive games and their applications. In my opinion, they are the best and the new dash will be amazing as well, so I don't really want to leave the Oculus platform as so far Valve hasn't done as much for VR and I would rather wait for a second gen from Oculus, just hope they don't mess up with the hardware of the second gen coz their VR platform is the best. Bo3b, just something to mention about the Pimax, it has two 4k displays, however you won't need a powerful machine to run the games at that resolution, even a GTX 1070 will run with the same performance as the current headsets Vive/Rift because there is a chip in the Pimax that does the upscaling to 4k.[/quote] Im same Bar with you on the ”Hopefully raise the bar” Hopefully the upscaler is good so the end result wont be Alot blurred. As you Oculus and vive users what do you say to this. Someone said you could use the steam to render under 1 so basicly You could render At fullhd and output 4k times two ? Here im talking about the 8kX that i wonder how they gonna make it Work with those resolutions and 90!hz as there is suppose to be No scaler chip inside[/quote] Yeah... the 8KX version of the Pimax is a bit obscure, not sure how that is going to work without the scaler.
Metal-O-Holic said:
J0hnnieW4ker said:I really like what Pimax is doing and how it might help to force the other players to work harder on their second generation, coz if they can pull off what they promise that might raise the bar and the other players might need to follow. But I'd also hold off until the product release.
I also like the Oculus exclusive games and their applications. In my opinion, they are the best and the new dash will be amazing as well, so I don't really want to leave the Oculus platform as so far Valve hasn't done as much for VR and I would rather wait for a second gen from Oculus, just hope they don't mess up with the hardware of the second gen coz their VR platform is the best.

Bo3b, just something to mention about the Pimax, it has two 4k displays, however you won't need a powerful machine to run the games at that resolution, even a GTX 1070 will run with the same performance as the current headsets Vive/Rift because there is a chip in the Pimax that does the upscaling to 4k.


Im same Bar with you on the ”Hopefully raise the bar”

Hopefully the upscaler is good so the end result wont be Alot blurred.

As you Oculus and vive users what do you say to this. Someone said you could use the steam to render under 1 so basicly
You could render At fullhd and output 4k times two ?
Here im talking about the 8kX that i wonder how they gonna make it Work with those resolutions and 90!hz as there is suppose to be
No scaler chip inside


Yeah... the 8KX version of the Pimax is a bit obscure, not sure how that is going to work without the scaler.

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#38
Posted 11/06/2017 03:59 PM   
New review of the 5K model https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pimax-5k-m2-headset-vr,5818.html "we’re not so sure that Pimax’s headsets are true second generation devices"
New review of the 5K model


https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pimax-5k-m2-headset-vr,5818.html


"we’re not so sure that Pimax’s headsets are true second generation devices"

#39
Posted 10/03/2018 07:30 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]New review of the 5K model https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pimax-5k-m2-headset-vr,5818.html "we’re not so sure that Pimax’s headsets are true second generation devices"[/quote] I have been following the pimax development and though i have not tried the pimax as i cancelled my pledge, i won´t trust anything tomshardware has to say after the "just buy it" article and this pimax review. I believe pimax is not perfect but almoust everyone who has tried the last iteration says its superb compared to anything on the market. just the starVr goes past it but the pricepoint is totally different. Only downside of pimax is the lcd they use don´t offer that deep blacks as needed for totally dark gameplay and atleast to me that´s abit annoying. i might try the starVr if it´s around 3000 or under. for example i think the vive pro is laughable priced. if we forget the deepest black pimax should beat vive pro hands down with better resolution in a bigger fov. I also have been thinking maby i should just upgrade my projectors to dla-x5900 and keep enjoying 3d vision games. but well see. maby i hold my horses for a year or two but im shure if the starvr is priced right i will try it. Though i ckecked every Vr game, and i gotta say there is not that much anyting interesting in those games available for Vr currently.
D-Man11 said:New review of the 5K model


https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pimax-5k-m2-headset-vr,5818.html


"we’re not so sure that Pimax’s headsets are true second generation devices"


I have been following the pimax development and though i have not tried the pimax as i cancelled my pledge, i won´t trust anything tomshardware has to say after the "just buy it" article and this pimax review.

I believe pimax is not perfect but almoust everyone who has tried the last iteration says its superb compared to anything on the market. just the starVr goes past it but the pricepoint is totally different.
Only downside of pimax is the lcd they use don´t offer that deep blacks as needed for totally dark gameplay and atleast to me that´s abit annoying. i might try the starVr if it´s around 3000 or under.
for example i think the vive pro is laughable priced. if we forget the deepest black pimax should beat vive pro hands down with better resolution in a bigger fov.

I also have been thinking maby i should just upgrade my projectors to dla-x5900 and keep enjoying 3d vision games. but well see. maby i hold my horses for a year or two but im shure if the starvr is priced right i will try it. Though i ckecked every Vr game, and i gotta say there is not that much anyting interesting in those games available for Vr currently.

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#40
Posted 10/03/2018 09:16 PM   
Well, at least Vive Pro does not call their headset a 4K model, unlike Pimax calling theirs a misleading 8K, 5K and 4K.
Well, at least Vive Pro does not call their headset a 4K model, unlike Pimax calling theirs a misleading 8K, 5K and 4K.

#41
Posted 10/03/2018 10:51 PM   
"The name “8K,” as we’ve explained, is a misnomer bordering on false advertisement; though the headset features a pair of 4K displays, you need the resolution equivalent of four 4K displays to reach what most would call 8K resolution." https://www.roadtovr.com/ces-2018-pimax-8k-hands-on-long-way-kinks-to-iron/ What a bunch of BS when you look at this product page on this vendor's site with 4K and 3840x2160 thrown around everywhere https://www.gearbest.com/pc-headset/pp_423476.html?wid=21
"The name “8K,” as we’ve explained, is a misnomer bordering on false advertisement; though the headset features a pair of 4K displays, you need the resolution equivalent of four 4K displays to reach what most would call 8K resolution."

https://www.roadtovr.com/ces-2018-pimax-8k-hands-on-long-way-kinks-to-iron/

What a bunch of BS when you look at this product page on this vendor's site with 4K and 3840x2160 thrown around everywhere
https://www.gearbest.com/pc-headset/pp_423476.html?wid=21

#42
Posted 10/03/2018 11:03 PM   
True its total bulshit how they market it. And they yet call it worlds first 8k headset. But chinese are like that. For example noone from the testers even knew about the new panels in the 5k+ They were just like by the way we have a new product hey here they are. And i don't know, im starting to feel based on what i have watched its going to be ok for the money and definetly more interesting than vive and oculus shit. I might be alone in this but to me that binocular FOV is just total garbage. Note this is my oppinnion. Id rather 3D if 100 degrees is what is on the table on the VR side
True its total bulshit how they market it. And they yet call it worlds first 8k headset.
But chinese are like that. For example noone from the testers even knew about the new panels in the 5k+
They were just like by the way we have a new product hey here they are.

And i don't know, im starting to feel based on what i have watched its going to be ok for the money and definetly more interesting than vive and oculus shit. I might be alone in this but to me that binocular FOV is just total garbage. Note this is my oppinnion.
Id rather 3D if 100 degrees is what is on the table on the VR side

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#43
Posted 10/04/2018 04:35 AM   
And Yeah pimax 4K was a joke so im keeping my guards up
And Yeah pimax 4K was a joke so im keeping my guards up

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#44
Posted 10/04/2018 04:36 AM   
We seriously still bitter over misnaming the product..when in fact Pimax 5K Plus is the best consumer HMD about to hit the market???
We seriously still bitter over misnaming the product..when in fact Pimax 5K Plus is the best consumer HMD about to hit the market???

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16GB DDR4 2400 RAM
512 SAMSUNG 840 PRO

Gaming Rig 2
My new build

Asus Maximus X Hero Z370
MSI Gaming X 1080Ti (2100 mhz OC Watercooled)
8700k (4.7ghz OC Watercooled)
16gb DDR4 3000 Ram
500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2

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