[quote name='Trek' post='544508' date='May 23 2009, 07:55 PM']I already RMAed once because of monitor went off, the thing is the same as it was.
You people are nicely processed, you are tolerant to unaceptable manfucaturers behaviour so they deliver whatever they want to.
Tell that to people that bought this stuff in good will and obtained crap, because they did not expected such a flawed monitor with poor performance. This is not nvidia vision, nvidia vision is something else. Samsung screwed it up.[/quote]
You're the exact mind-set is why I raise limitations for with my findings at another site. Raised all of the points you have offered but you know what? It still is an incredible experience to many and to me because gaming is about weighing the pros's and con's. These cons you can't deal with it because you may be looking for perfection early in a new feature. This may take time as limitations are solved through maturity of hardware and software but it's here and many are enjoying the feature and looking forward to it to mature and improve.
To call this crap is a reflection on you my friend. Is this product perfect of ideal for all? No, but it hardly is crap either.
[quote name='Trek' post='544508' date='May 23 2009, 07:55 PM']I already RMAed once because of monitor went off, the thing is the same as it was.
You people are nicely processed, you are tolerant to unaceptable manfucaturers behaviour so they deliver whatever they want to.
Tell that to people that bought this stuff in good will and obtained crap, because they did not expected such a flawed monitor with poor performance. This is not nvidia vision, nvidia vision is something else. Samsung screwed it up.
You're the exact mind-set is why I raise limitations for with my findings at another site. Raised all of the points you have offered but you know what? It still is an incredible experience to many and to me because gaming is about weighing the pros's and con's. These cons you can't deal with it because you may be looking for perfection early in a new feature. This may take time as limitations are solved through maturity of hardware and software but it's here and many are enjoying the feature and looking forward to it to mature and improve.
To call this crap is a reflection on you my friend. Is this product perfect of ideal for all? No, but it hardly is crap either.
[quote name='SirPauly' post='544524' date='May 23 2009, 10:48 PM']To call this crap is a reflection on you my friend. Is this product perfect of ideal for all? No, but it hardly is crap either.[/quote]
I can easily say this monitor crap because it is objectively - it is cheap TN display with bad characteristics that can not even deliver good response time, it has nasty overdrive and other bad things - this is repackaged and sold under premium price for TN display, i do not understand what you mean that it is reflection on me, can you elaborate your ideas?
[quote name='SirPauly' post='544524' date='May 23 2009, 10:48 PM']To call this crap is a reflection on you my friend. Is this product perfect of ideal for all? No, but it hardly is crap either.
I can easily say this monitor crap because it is objectively - it is cheap TN display with bad characteristics that can not even deliver good response time, it has nasty overdrive and other bad things - this is repackaged and sold under premium price for TN display, i do not understand what you mean that it is reflection on me, can you elaborate your ideas?
[quote name='Trek' post='544534' date='May 23 2009, 02:26 PM']I can easily say this monitor crap because it is objectively - it is cheap TN display with bad characteristics that can not even deliver good response time, it has nasty overdrive and other bad things - this is repackaged and sold under premium price for TN display, i do not understand what you mean that it is reflection on me, can you elaborate your ideas?[/quote]
It's a reflection on you- you're trolling here.
Exaggerating the negatives, downplaying the positives.
[url="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm2233rz_11.html#sect0"]True Story of samsung 2233RZ[/url]
[quote]I must confess I had not expected the SyncMaster 2233RZ to make such a nice impression on me without stereo glasses.[/quote]
[quote][b]It offers the same color accuracy, viewing angles, contrast ratio, response time.[/b] You will not have to agree to compromises in order to have a true 3D picture in games.[/quote]
[quote]Moreover, the 120Hz refresh rate provides substantial benefits of its own. I had not expected a reduction in response time (it is smaller than the refresh rate even at 120Hz) but the [b]considerable reduction of the intensity of RTC artifacts was a nice surprise. [/b]This is a rare thing indeed: a 3ms matrix with no RTC artifacts![/quote]
In other words, some people are far more impressed with this monitor than you are.
[quote name='Trek' post='544534' date='May 23 2009, 02:26 PM']I can easily say this monitor crap because it is objectively - it is cheap TN display with bad characteristics that can not even deliver good response time, it has nasty overdrive and other bad things - this is repackaged and sold under premium price for TN display, i do not understand what you mean that it is reflection on me, can you elaborate your ideas?
It's a reflection on you- you're trolling here.
Exaggerating the negatives, downplaying the positives.
I must confess I had not expected the SyncMaster 2233RZ to make such a nice impression on me without stereo glasses.
It offers the same color accuracy, viewing angles, contrast ratio, response time. You will not have to agree to compromises in order to have a true 3D picture in games.
Moreover, the 120Hz refresh rate provides substantial benefits of its own. I had not expected a reduction in response time (it is smaller than the refresh rate even at 120Hz) but the considerable reduction of the intensity of RTC artifacts was a nice surprise. This is a rare thing indeed: a 3ms matrix with no RTC artifacts!
In other words, some people are far more impressed with this monitor than you are.
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Here is something that may add fuel to the fire ....
My one day old 3D vision glasses are faulty.... I cant send back the glasses to the States from Australia, as the costs almost out weight the purchase of new ones... etc
Any way .... thats not why I am here.
I am here to tell you that it may indeed be the glasses. When I was attempting to repair my glasses ... I was soldering the wire back onto the battery, when my lenses went solid black. I put them on (just to be funny)... only to find that the shuttering on the lenses are actually not solid black.
I could still see through the lenses (Ever so slightly).... which brings me to the conclusion, that when the glasses are actually working .... your right eye may still see what the left sees, and visa versa ..... causing the ghosting effect. (Guess it comes down to peoples eye sight).
Here is something that may add fuel to the fire ....
My one day old 3D vision glasses are faulty.... I cant send back the glasses to the States from Australia, as the costs almost out weight the purchase of new ones... etc
Any way .... thats not why I am here.
I am here to tell you that it may indeed be the glasses. When I was attempting to repair my glasses ... I was soldering the wire back onto the battery, when my lenses went solid black. I put them on (just to be funny)... only to find that the shuttering on the lenses are actually not solid black.
I could still see through the lenses (Ever so slightly).... which brings me to the conclusion, that when the glasses are actually working .... your right eye may still see what the left sees, and visa versa ..... causing the ghosting effect. (Guess it comes down to peoples eye sight).
Well, I have not bought/seen this nvidia 3d vision working with this samsung monitor, but it is good to see that there are people writting objections in this forum... otherwise I might suspect something poor.
Me, as a recent Zalman stereo3D monitor buyer (recomended/forced by Nvidia), I need to be totally sure about the product before to buy another nvidia stereo solution, becuase the last solution was a total deception for me, with the added of the imposition of a new S.O (Vista), and the disappointment of not seeing the support continued for other stereo types like planar, shutterglasses, etc.
With that philosophy is normal to walk gingerly before taking a decision of buying now (at least I must), so it is good to read all kind of opinions. Negative exagerations sometimes compensate positive exagerations. Goshting is a subjective perception (I think it is not thrue), but once I have experiment with planar setups, I really would hate any form of ghosting... and it is good to know.
Well, I have not bought/seen this nvidia 3d vision working with this samsung monitor, but it is good to see that there are people writting objections in this forum... otherwise I might suspect something poor.
Me, as a recent Zalman stereo3D monitor buyer (recomended/forced by Nvidia), I need to be totally sure about the product before to buy another nvidia stereo solution, becuase the last solution was a total deception for me, with the added of the imposition of a new S.O (Vista), and the disappointment of not seeing the support continued for other stereo types like planar, shutterglasses, etc.
With that philosophy is normal to walk gingerly before taking a decision of buying now (at least I must), so it is good to read all kind of opinions. Negative exagerations sometimes compensate positive exagerations. Goshting is a subjective perception (I think it is not thrue), but once I have experiment with planar setups, I really would hate any form of ghosting... and it is good to know.
[quote name='SpyderCanopus' post='544602' date='May 23 2009, 06:03 PM']Yes. Trek is a sophisticated troll trying to seed doubt on nvidia's 3d solution. Besides software based ghosting, i can't find a single problem with my S3D setup. Trek, you're a troll.
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And grats on your agenda to deceive and keep this thread at top position. The best thing we NS3D fans can do is ignore this thread and let it fall off.[/quote]
He's had his say, I'll just lock it and it will die.
[quote name='SpyderCanopus' post='544602' date='May 23 2009, 06:03 PM']Yes. Trek is a sophisticated troll trying to seed doubt on nvidia's 3d solution. Besides software based ghosting, i can't find a single problem with my S3D setup. Trek, you're a troll.
EDIT:
And grats on your agenda to deceive and keep this thread at top position. The best thing we NS3D fans can do is ignore this thread and let it fall off.
He's had his say, I'll just lock it and it will die.
GTX680 SLI
Asus Rampage/intel 990X
3 X Acer GD235Hz
NVIDIA FOCUS GROUP
Not employed by NVIDIA, nor do my views represent NVIDIA's in any way.
You people are nicely processed, you are tolerant to unaceptable manfucaturers behaviour so they deliver whatever they want to.
Tell that to people that bought this stuff in good will and obtained crap, because they did not expected such a flawed monitor with poor performance. This is not nvidia vision, nvidia vision is something else. Samsung screwed it up.[/quote]
You're the exact mind-set is why I raise limitations for with my findings at another site. Raised all of the points you have offered but you know what? It still is an incredible experience to many and to me because gaming is about weighing the pros's and con's. These cons you can't deal with it because you may be looking for perfection early in a new feature. This may take time as limitations are solved through maturity of hardware and software but it's here and many are enjoying the feature and looking forward to it to mature and improve.
To call this crap is a reflection on you my friend. Is this product perfect of ideal for all? No, but it hardly is crap either.
You people are nicely processed, you are tolerant to unaceptable manfucaturers behaviour so they deliver whatever they want to.
Tell that to people that bought this stuff in good will and obtained crap, because they did not expected such a flawed monitor with poor performance. This is not nvidia vision, nvidia vision is something else. Samsung screwed it up.
You're the exact mind-set is why I raise limitations for with my findings at another site. Raised all of the points you have offered but you know what? It still is an incredible experience to many and to me because gaming is about weighing the pros's and con's. These cons you can't deal with it because you may be looking for perfection early in a new feature. This may take time as limitations are solved through maturity of hardware and software but it's here and many are enjoying the feature and looking forward to it to mature and improve.
To call this crap is a reflection on you my friend. Is this product perfect of ideal for all? No, but it hardly is crap either.
I can easily say this monitor crap because it is objectively - it is cheap TN display with bad characteristics that can not even deliver good response time, it has nasty overdrive and other bad things - this is repackaged and sold under premium price for TN display, i do not understand what you mean that it is reflection on me, can you elaborate your ideas?
I can easily say this monitor crap because it is objectively - it is cheap TN display with bad characteristics that can not even deliver good response time, it has nasty overdrive and other bad things - this is repackaged and sold under premium price for TN display, i do not understand what you mean that it is reflection on me, can you elaborate your ideas?
It's a reflection on you- you're trolling here.
Exaggerating the negatives, downplaying the positives.
[url="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm2233rz_11.html#sect0"]True Story of samsung 2233RZ[/url]
[quote]I must confess I had not expected the SyncMaster 2233RZ to make such a nice impression on me without stereo glasses.[/quote]
[quote][b]It offers the same color accuracy, viewing angles, contrast ratio, response time.[/b] You will not have to agree to compromises in order to have a true 3D picture in games.[/quote]
[quote]Moreover, the 120Hz refresh rate provides substantial benefits of its own. I had not expected a reduction in response time (it is smaller than the refresh rate even at 120Hz) but the [b]considerable reduction of the intensity of RTC artifacts was a nice surprise. [/b]This is a rare thing indeed: a 3ms matrix with no RTC artifacts![/quote]
In other words, some people are far more impressed with this monitor than you are.
It's a reflection on you- you're trolling here.
Exaggerating the negatives, downplaying the positives.
True Story of samsung 2233RZ
In other words, some people are far more impressed with this monitor than you are.
GTX680 SLI
Asus Rampage/intel 990X
3 X Acer GD235Hz
NVIDIA FOCUS GROUP
Not employed by NVIDIA, nor do my views represent NVIDIA's in any way.
My one day old 3D vision glasses are faulty.... I cant send back the glasses to the States from Australia, as the costs almost out weight the purchase of new ones... etc
Any way .... thats not why I am here.
I am here to tell you that it may indeed be the glasses. When I was attempting to repair my glasses ... I was soldering the wire back onto the battery, when my lenses went solid black. I put them on (just to be funny)... only to find that the shuttering on the lenses are actually not solid black.
I could still see through the lenses (Ever so slightly).... which brings me to the conclusion, that when the glasses are actually working .... your right eye may still see what the left sees, and visa versa ..... causing the ghosting effect. (Guess it comes down to peoples eye sight).
Regards
My one day old 3D vision glasses are faulty.... I cant send back the glasses to the States from Australia, as the costs almost out weight the purchase of new ones... etc
Any way .... thats not why I am here.
I am here to tell you that it may indeed be the glasses. When I was attempting to repair my glasses ... I was soldering the wire back onto the battery, when my lenses went solid black. I put them on (just to be funny)... only to find that the shuttering on the lenses are actually not solid black.
I could still see through the lenses (Ever so slightly).... which brings me to the conclusion, that when the glasses are actually working .... your right eye may still see what the left sees, and visa versa ..... causing the ghosting effect. (Guess it comes down to peoples eye sight).
Regards
Me, as a recent Zalman stereo3D monitor buyer (recomended/forced by Nvidia), I need to be totally sure about the product before to buy another nvidia stereo solution, becuase the last solution was a total deception for me, with the added of the imposition of a new S.O (Vista), and the disappointment of not seeing the support continued for other stereo types like planar, shutterglasses, etc.
With that philosophy is normal to walk gingerly before taking a decision of buying now (at least I must), so it is good to read all kind of opinions. Negative exagerations sometimes compensate positive exagerations. Goshting is a subjective perception (I think it is not thrue), but once I have experiment with planar setups, I really would hate any form of ghosting... and it is good to know.
Me, as a recent Zalman stereo3D monitor buyer (recomended/forced by Nvidia), I need to be totally sure about the product before to buy another nvidia stereo solution, becuase the last solution was a total deception for me, with the added of the imposition of a new S.O (Vista), and the disappointment of not seeing the support continued for other stereo types like planar, shutterglasses, etc.
With that philosophy is normal to walk gingerly before taking a decision of buying now (at least I must), so it is good to read all kind of opinions. Negative exagerations sometimes compensate positive exagerations. Goshting is a subjective perception (I think it is not thrue), but once I have experiment with planar setups, I really would hate any form of ghosting... and it is good to know.
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EDIT:
And grats on your agenda to deceive and keep this thread at top position. The best thing we NS3D fans can do is ignore this thread and let it fall off.[/quote]
He's had his say, I'll just lock it and it will die.
EDIT:
And grats on your agenda to deceive and keep this thread at top position. The best thing we NS3D fans can do is ignore this thread and let it fall off.
He's had his say, I'll just lock it and it will die.
GTX680 SLI
Asus Rampage/intel 990X
3 X Acer GD235Hz
NVIDIA FOCUS GROUP
Not employed by NVIDIA, nor do my views represent NVIDIA's in any way.