why does not nvidia team up with amd?
Here's a funky thing.

Why does not nvidia team up with amd to offer the 3d experience to users who have AMD cards also? I mean .. it's all about selling a specific product. It is well know that it is a lot of profit if you shove a bundle on customer's throats, but it's more likely that the customers who will get that bundle are customers that have cash on their hands. On the other hand, if you broaden the audience, it's more likely that you sell more of that product ...

It's just an idea anyways. I have been using both amd and nvidia cards, and i am pretty much impressed on both performance. I own a radeon 4870, and right now i bought a GTX 285 OCX from bfg tech, but that's just because i had the cash on my hands, otherwise i would have not changed my card just to get the 3d vision with nvidia.

Don't start ranting about competition here. It's business and i know that in business all should be about maximizing profits, and face it, the 3d vision is attractive, but it's a fairly new project, and if you don't broaden the audience it's higly likely that the product will not go as expected, so why not use the competition, into bringing in profits for both, and keeping the options available for customers?

Also, i would love to be able to have great performance with SLI on amd based chipsets, but i haven't been able to see for example 790 ultra sli on AMD chipsets.

Why not ? I am not much fan of intel processor, and i want to be able to have a choice. Also, AMD boards would be less expensive, and more attractive, and the new phenoms are quite more bang for the buck than the new Intel.

I would love to be able to build a gaming computer for a reasonable price, and then you would get a whole new market of computer enthusiasts, that would simply love the fact that they are offered choices.

My 2 cents tho.

Ranting starts now.
Here's a funky thing.



Why does not nvidia team up with amd to offer the 3d experience to users who have AMD cards also? I mean .. it's all about selling a specific product. It is well know that it is a lot of profit if you shove a bundle on customer's throats, but it's more likely that the customers who will get that bundle are customers that have cash on their hands. On the other hand, if you broaden the audience, it's more likely that you sell more of that product ...



It's just an idea anyways. I have been using both amd and nvidia cards, and i am pretty much impressed on both performance. I own a radeon 4870, and right now i bought a GTX 285 OCX from bfg tech, but that's just because i had the cash on my hands, otherwise i would have not changed my card just to get the 3d vision with nvidia.



Don't start ranting about competition here. It's business and i know that in business all should be about maximizing profits, and face it, the 3d vision is attractive, but it's a fairly new project, and if you don't broaden the audience it's higly likely that the product will not go as expected, so why not use the competition, into bringing in profits for both, and keeping the options available for customers?



Also, i would love to be able to have great performance with SLI on amd based chipsets, but i haven't been able to see for example 790 ultra sli on AMD chipsets.



Why not ? I am not much fan of intel processor, and i want to be able to have a choice. Also, AMD boards would be less expensive, and more attractive, and the new phenoms are quite more bang for the buck than the new Intel.



I would love to be able to build a gaming computer for a reasonable price, and then you would get a whole new market of computer enthusiasts, that would simply love the fact that they are offered choices.



My 2 cents tho.



Ranting starts now.

#1
Posted 03/12/2009 01:44 PM   
In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.

As it stands though, AMD not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.

So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.

They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).

In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.

Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.

Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.


On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.

If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.

Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!

You reap what you sow.
In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.



As it stands though, AMD not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.



So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.



They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).



In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.



Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.



Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.





On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.



If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.



Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!



You reap what you sow.

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

#2
Posted 03/12/2009 02:34 PM   
[quote name='RAGEdemon' post='517302' date='Mar 12 2009, 08:34 AM']In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.

As it stands though, AMD have not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.

So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.

They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).

In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.

Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.

Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.


On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.

If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.

Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!

You reap what you sow.[/quote]
It sounds like you havn't tried 3d Vision!! It's definatly not something you could be disintrested in!!!!! Once you play, you would pay


At Ibuypower.com there is 3d Vision computers for only like 1000.00 bucks (With Monitor)

I have seen new AMD Boards With Crossfire and SLI support

Nvidia will not even let an AMD Person hold a pair of these shutter glasses and theres no way they will let them implement them!
[quote name='RAGEdemon' post='517302' date='Mar 12 2009, 08:34 AM']In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.



As it stands though, AMD have not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.



So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.



They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).



In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.



Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.



Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.





On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.



If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.



Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!



You reap what you sow.

It sounds like you havn't tried 3d Vision!! It's definatly not something you could be disintrested in!!!!! Once you play, you would pay





At Ibuypower.com there is 3d Vision computers for only like 1000.00 bucks (With Monitor)



I have seen new AMD Boards With Crossfire and SLI support



Nvidia will not even let an AMD Person hold a pair of these shutter glasses and theres no way they will let them implement them!

#3
Posted 03/12/2009 02:49 PM   
Lol. Ragedemon is more experienced than both you and me of stereo-3d (just not 3d-vision) i assure you.
However I don't think either he or i will touch 3d-vision. There are other solutions and for as long there are any i'll use them instead no matter how good nvidia ever will be. I think you've seen a few on this forums so i won't make another rant about the nvidia "guineapigs".

My temper and rage for missing nvidiastereosupport has calmed down quite a bit. It's my firm belief old school stereogamers as well as newcomers should unite up, not because of nvidia but because of the love to 3d-gaming (i know where i am, but this part of the nvidiaforums is the only part that interests me).

So: If old stereogamers could quit bashing nvidia as well as new stereogamers calling nvidia "jesus" we're quite a bit on the road. ;)

To the original topic: I'd like a more unified solutions as well that works for any stereoscopic hardware as well as any computerhardware. During the old days it was really hard to introduce someone to stereo-3d who didn't have and nvidia-card.

Cheers!
Lol. Ragedemon is more experienced than both you and me of stereo-3d (just not 3d-vision) i assure you.

However I don't think either he or i will touch 3d-vision. There are other solutions and for as long there are any i'll use them instead no matter how good nvidia ever will be. I think you've seen a few on this forums so i won't make another rant about the nvidia "guineapigs".



My temper and rage for missing nvidiastereosupport has calmed down quite a bit. It's my firm belief old school stereogamers as well as newcomers should unite up, not because of nvidia but because of the love to 3d-gaming (i know where i am, but this part of the nvidiaforums is the only part that interests me).



So: If old stereogamers could quit bashing nvidia as well as new stereogamers calling nvidia "jesus" we're quite a bit on the road. ;)



To the original topic: I'd like a more unified solutions as well that works for any stereoscopic hardware as well as any computerhardware. During the old days it was really hard to introduce someone to stereo-3d who didn't have and nvidia-card.



Cheers!

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#4
Posted 03/12/2009 05:17 PM   
[quote name='RAGEdemon' post='517302' date='Mar 12 2009, 09:34 AM']In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.

As it stands though, AMD not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.

So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.

They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).

In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.

Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.

Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.


On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.

If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.

Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!

You reap what you sow.[/quote]

I wouldn't call AMD so much a behemoth as it is having its own struggles. I also wouldn't say nVidia is dying anytime soon, as its IGPs and chipsets are still being used and just recently struck big deals with Apple to use them.

I also don't see what the complaints are from all the old-timers about nVidia's 3D stereo driver support and tech. I have no doubt that support for my current 3DVision setup will eventually be dropped by nVidia in the future, but by that time, I'll want to purchase whatever they have next because that will be newer and better tech, or try something else on the market. That's just the progression of technology.

Also, the iZ3D solution is not interesting at all to me because of the fact that it doesn't support SLI, which I plan to use in the future, and that it takes up both monitor outputs on your video card. I run a quadruple display setup (3 monitors and 1 HDTV), and having both outputs one of my video cards taken up by a single monitor would be unacceptable.
[quote name='RAGEdemon' post='517302' date='Mar 12 2009, 09:34 AM']In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.



As it stands though, AMD not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.



So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.



They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).



In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.



Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.



Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.





On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.



If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.



Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!



You reap what you sow.



I wouldn't call AMD so much a behemoth as it is having its own struggles. I also wouldn't say nVidia is dying anytime soon, as its IGPs and chipsets are still being used and just recently struck big deals with Apple to use them.



I also don't see what the complaints are from all the old-timers about nVidia's 3D stereo driver support and tech. I have no doubt that support for my current 3DVision setup will eventually be dropped by nVidia in the future, but by that time, I'll want to purchase whatever they have next because that will be newer and better tech, or try something else on the market. That's just the progression of technology.



Also, the iZ3D solution is not interesting at all to me because of the fact that it doesn't support SLI, which I plan to use in the future, and that it takes up both monitor outputs on your video card. I run a quadruple display setup (3 monitors and 1 HDTV), and having both outputs one of my video cards taken up by a single monitor would be unacceptable.

#5
Posted 03/12/2009 05:34 PM   
[quote name='katmai' post='517285' date='Mar 12 2009, 08:44 AM']Here's a funky thing.

Why does not nvidia team up with amd to offer the 3d experience to users who have AMD cards also? I mean .. it's all about selling a specific product. It is well know that it is a lot of profit if you shove a bundle on customer's throats, but it's more likely that the customers who will get that bundle are customers that have cash on their hands. On the other hand, if you broaden the audience, it's more likely that you sell more of that product ...

It's just an idea anyways. I have been using both amd and nvidia cards, and i am pretty much impressed on both performance. I own a radeon 4870, and right now i bought a GTX 285 OCX from bfg tech, but that's just because i had the cash on my hands, otherwise i would have not changed my card just to get the 3d vision with nvidia.

Don't start ranting about competition here. It's business and i know that in business all should be about maximizing profits, and face it, the 3d vision is attractive, but it's a fairly new project, and if you don't broaden the audience it's higly likely that the product will not go as expected, so why not use the competition, into bringing in profits for both, and keeping the options available for customers?

Also, i would love to be able to have great performance with SLI on amd based chipsets, but i haven't been able to see for example 790 ultra sli on AMD chipsets.

Why not ? I am not much fan of intel processor, and i want to be able to have a choice. Also, AMD boards would be less expensive, and more attractive, and the new phenoms are quite more bang for the buck than the new Intel.

I would love to be able to build a gaming computer for a reasonable price, and then you would get a whole new market of computer enthusiasts, that would simply love the fact that they are offered choices.

My 2 cents tho.

Ranting starts now.[/quote]

Well, although I understand your question, the answer is because AMD decided to bring ATI into the picture instead. Why they did that I have no idea and was a total surprise to me. I had always been under the impression that AMD and nVIdia would have been the ultimate combination. I have been an AMD fan for about 10 years and was totally against Intel because of their crapiness ( mainly because I could not stand those cheap ass fans.. ) However I have recently changed my views. For the first time in quite a while I gave up AMD for Intel, and happy I did. They simply have the edge now and I must say I disagree with your statement about more bang for the buck. The Intel CoreI7 chips are most definitely the best bang for the buck, and the 920 is the fastest most overclockable chip out now(for the money). 4 cores are definitely better than 3..

I also own an ASUS laptop with AMD processor and ATI graphics. I hate it.. The ONLY place you get get drivers for the mobile chipset is ASUS, and they DO NOT support their products. I has an extreme amount of trouble setting it up with dual boot to XP as they do not support XP either. I finally did get it working with the help of a little app that converts regular ATI driver sets for use with mobile chipsets. I applaud nVidia for supporting mobile chipsets so we don't have to depend on the notebook manufacturer which could care less.. In any case, I'm now and always have been a dedicated nVidia user and that will not change. As far as the CPU though it does depend on who has the best product at the time. For now, that is definitely Intel. After all, no one said I have to use that crappy fan. :P

That said however, I cant' wait to see what happens next. Can AMD get back the edge they had? Will be interesting to see what the future brings.

Rick
[quote name='katmai' post='517285' date='Mar 12 2009, 08:44 AM']Here's a funky thing.



Why does not nvidia team up with amd to offer the 3d experience to users who have AMD cards also? I mean .. it's all about selling a specific product. It is well know that it is a lot of profit if you shove a bundle on customer's throats, but it's more likely that the customers who will get that bundle are customers that have cash on their hands. On the other hand, if you broaden the audience, it's more likely that you sell more of that product ...



It's just an idea anyways. I have been using both amd and nvidia cards, and i am pretty much impressed on both performance. I own a radeon 4870, and right now i bought a GTX 285 OCX from bfg tech, but that's just because i had the cash on my hands, otherwise i would have not changed my card just to get the 3d vision with nvidia.



Don't start ranting about competition here. It's business and i know that in business all should be about maximizing profits, and face it, the 3d vision is attractive, but it's a fairly new project, and if you don't broaden the audience it's higly likely that the product will not go as expected, so why not use the competition, into bringing in profits for both, and keeping the options available for customers?



Also, i would love to be able to have great performance with SLI on amd based chipsets, but i haven't been able to see for example 790 ultra sli on AMD chipsets.



Why not ? I am not much fan of intel processor, and i want to be able to have a choice. Also, AMD boards would be less expensive, and more attractive, and the new phenoms are quite more bang for the buck than the new Intel.



I would love to be able to build a gaming computer for a reasonable price, and then you would get a whole new market of computer enthusiasts, that would simply love the fact that they are offered choices.



My 2 cents tho.



Ranting starts now.



Well, although I understand your question, the answer is because AMD decided to bring ATI into the picture instead. Why they did that I have no idea and was a total surprise to me. I had always been under the impression that AMD and nVIdia would have been the ultimate combination. I have been an AMD fan for about 10 years and was totally against Intel because of their crapiness ( mainly because I could not stand those cheap ass fans.. ) However I have recently changed my views. For the first time in quite a while I gave up AMD for Intel, and happy I did. They simply have the edge now and I must say I disagree with your statement about more bang for the buck. The Intel CoreI7 chips are most definitely the best bang for the buck, and the 920 is the fastest most overclockable chip out now(for the money). 4 cores are definitely better than 3..



I also own an ASUS laptop with AMD processor and ATI graphics. I hate it.. The ONLY place you get get drivers for the mobile chipset is ASUS, and they DO NOT support their products. I has an extreme amount of trouble setting it up with dual boot to XP as they do not support XP either. I finally did get it working with the help of a little app that converts regular ATI driver sets for use with mobile chipsets. I applaud nVidia for supporting mobile chipsets so we don't have to depend on the notebook manufacturer which could care less.. In any case, I'm now and always have been a dedicated nVidia user and that will not change. As far as the CPU though it does depend on who has the best product at the time. For now, that is definitely Intel. After all, no one said I have to use that crappy fan. :P



That said however, I cant' wait to see what happens next. Can AMD get back the edge they had? Will be interesting to see what the future brings.



Rick

#6
Posted 03/12/2009 11:00 PM   
those were only ideas anyways. i would have really loved to see some weird partnerships struck, which would definitely bring even more profit. why don't get amd in the cuda thing also? try to boost interoperativity. that's all about these days... things that you get, and work together. that way with a broad audience, and with many customers for a product = 3d vision, the profits rising, then you would have logically ggreat support and a reason to develop and improve the product.
those were only ideas anyways. i would have really loved to see some weird partnerships struck, which would definitely bring even more profit. why don't get amd in the cuda thing also? try to boost interoperativity. that's all about these days... things that you get, and work together. that way with a broad audience, and with many customers for a product = 3d vision, the profits rising, then you would have logically ggreat support and a reason to develop and improve the product.

#7
Posted 03/12/2009 11:24 PM   
[quote name='RAGEdemon' post='517302' date='Mar 12 2009, 07:34 AM']In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.

As it stands though, AMD not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.

So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.

They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).

In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.

Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.

Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.


On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.

If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.

Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!

You reap what you sow.[/quote]

LOL

1. I don't know if you've noticed, but AMD is in danger of going bankrupt. NVIDIA has enough cash in the bank to buy their tiny failing company without even borrowing.

[url="http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/090310/10_more_companies_at_risk_of_failing.html?.&.pf=family-home"]http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/090310/10_more....pf=family-home[/url]

2. ATi is an albatross NVIDIA does not need to tie themselves to. First they ran their company into the ground, then after AMD bought them they dragged AMD down with them.

3. The reviews of iZ3d aren't exactly glowing:

[url="http://www.linustechtips.com/my-upgrades/nvidia-3d-vision-vs-iz3d-stereoscopic-3d-technologies"]http://www.linustechtips.com/my-upgrades/n...3d-technologies[/url]
[quote]right now the nVidia solution gets the nod from me. I’ll be working with iZ3D to find out if there’s something wrong with my panel that’s causing the polarization to be so poor[/quote]

[url="http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iz3d-3d-vision,6783.html"]http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iz3d-3d-vision,6783.html[/url]
[quote]we’d have to stick with the well-integrated Nvidia package until iZ3D is able to iron out some of the rough edges still apparent in its existing design.[/quote]

[url="http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33941607&page=4"]http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php...1607&page=4[/url]
[Quote]I tried HAWX demo last night, and Dead Reefs (3D Adventure game). HAWX had some wierd cloud issues in Directx 10 through the left lens. Dead Reefs looked perfect 3D (very minimal ghosting), but as soon as the scene/camera changes, the 3D effect needed to be reset, otherwise ghosting comes back in full force. Autofocus didn't help. Overall, the 3D effect is outstanding when the right setting is reached. There is ALWAYS ghosting...sometimes severe, sometimes barely noticeable..... the contrast/sharpness of this monitor is really lackluster. Black levels are an abomination. I have brightness set to 50% (which is the only setting the monitor itself provides), yet everything seems so washed out. [/URL]

Doesn't sound very good to me- buggy tech from a dying company, and you guys want NVIDIA to partner with them?

Why?

So they can be washing windows on street corners with the ATi/AMD staff at Christmas? :unsure:
[quote name='RAGEdemon' post='517302' date='Mar 12 2009, 07:34 AM']In an ideal world, that would be just beautiful.



As it stands though, AMD not only have one of the two finest cpu techs in the world, but also own one of the two finest graphics companies in the world too. nvidia on the other hand, have pissed off every major partner And Intel - the other finest cpu tech company in the world.



So, in the future, having burned its bridges with intel, nvidia can't do much as it is only a relatively small graphics company against the behemoth that is AMD on one side, and godzilla which is intel on the other side. In the long term, it just can't hope to win.



They know this so have started trying to make themselves an x86 CPU to compete with Intel and AMD (which will never hit the market in its current form as it doesn’t have a valid license from Intel).



In the end, it is panicking. It has to come up with new ways in which their cards can be used, and ONLY THEIR CARDS. 3D vision is one of these ways. The last thing they will want to do is share it with ATi.



Another way is the whole CUDA thing where they are offering companies up to 5 million dollars to come up with new ways to use CUDA.



Desperate attempts to stay afloat by a company who sees its death in the near future. I feel sorry for its investors.





On the 3D vision side, you will see most of the stereo3d community quiet about it. We have given up and don't really give a crap anymore, having been burned so many times.



If they had kept their promises and delivered a working and compatible driver over the last 10 years as they had promised many times, then the whole community would be raving about the tech, touting it as the best thing since sliced bread, meaning that the uptake would be so much faster as the word would spread through the internet like wildfire.



Instead, most of us are disinterested, especially after the first few reviews where the iZ3D technology comes off as much better, more compatible, and hey, the devs/company actually listens to us!



You reap what you sow.



LOL



1. I don't know if you've noticed, but AMD is in danger of going bankrupt. NVIDIA has enough cash in the bank to buy their tiny failing company without even borrowing.



http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/090310/10_more....pf=family-home



2. ATi is an albatross NVIDIA does not need to tie themselves to. First they ran their company into the ground, then after AMD bought them they dragged AMD down with them.



3. The reviews of iZ3d aren't exactly glowing:



http://www.linustechtips.com/my-upgrades/n...3d-technologies

right now the nVidia solution gets the nod from me. I’ll be working with iZ3D to find out if there’s something wrong with my panel that’s causing the polarization to be so poor




http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iz3d-3d-vision,6783.html

we’d have to stick with the well-integrated Nvidia package until iZ3D is able to iron out some of the rough edges still apparent in its existing design.




http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php...1607&page=4

[Quote]I tried HAWX demo last night, and Dead Reefs (3D Adventure game). HAWX had some wierd cloud issues in Directx 10 through the left lens. Dead Reefs looked perfect 3D (very minimal ghosting), but as soon as the scene/camera changes, the 3D effect needed to be reset, otherwise ghosting comes back in full force. Autofocus didn't help. Overall, the 3D effect is outstanding when the right setting is reached. There is ALWAYS ghosting...sometimes severe, sometimes barely noticeable..... the contrast/sharpness of this monitor is really lackluster. Black levels are an abomination. I have brightness set to 50% (which is the only setting the monitor itself provides), yet everything seems so washed out. [/URL]



Doesn't sound very good to me- buggy tech from a dying company, and you guys want NVIDIA to partner with them?



Why?



So they can be washing windows on street corners with the ATi/AMD staff at Christmas? :unsure:

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#8
Posted 03/13/2009 01:29 AM   
[quote name='new_parad1gm' post='517383' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:34 PM']I also don't see what the complaints are from all the old-timers about nVidia's 3D stereo driver support and tech. I have no doubt that support for my current 3DVision setup will eventually be dropped by nVidia in the future, but by that time, I'll want to purchase whatever they have next because that will be newer and better tech, or try something else on the market. That's just the progression of technology.

Also, the iZ3D solution is not interesting at all to me because of the fact that it doesn't support SLI, which I plan to use in the future, and that it takes up both monitor outputs on your video card. I run a quadruple display setup (3 monitors and 1 HDTV), and having both outputs one of my video cards taken up by a single monitor would be unacceptable.[/quote]
Likay and Rage are veterans for sure and have a lot of experience(s) with S3D and have a gazillion posts over on Stereo3d.com, hundreds here, and the same on MTBS3D. Their beef is the same as most S3D veterans in that Nvidia took away the free S3D candy and decided to turn it into something they can make a profit from. I don't like the way it all went down either, but the end result is still the same. Nvidia has a viable product on the market that they can make money from. This money allows the product to be properly supported by folks like Andrew Fear who have been a breath of fresh air to 3DVision users. I have stated it a million times on other forums, but you get what you pay for. If you pay nothing to support the technology, you get nothing, and that was the first mistake Nvidia made years ago by giving away the technology. I say giving it away because it was, and is, technology the competition doesn't offer yet they targeted similar street prices for their cards and software that enabled the technology. I think both Likay and Rage are both happily using IZ3D now which is cool. IZ3D is a great company and continues to significantly contribute to the community. But change is in the air for Nvidia! Heck, even Neil (aka Chopper) now has an press 3DVision unit for future game testing on MTBS3D so the world is changing and Nvidia IS supporting the community!

I agree the S3D conversion technology will likely disappear in favor of native S3D engines at some point in the future, but that won't happen anytime soon until displays are widely adopted. Until then... Nvidia, IZ3D, DDD, TDVision, and others are the industry angels as they make what we collectively enjoy and allow the displays to be widely adopted. They are all good in their own right and 10 years from now we will be thanking all of them for their contributions. After all, who ever thought we would see an Nvidia employee post on this forum! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
[quote name='new_parad1gm' post='517383' date='Mar 12 2009, 12:34 PM']I also don't see what the complaints are from all the old-timers about nVidia's 3D stereo driver support and tech. I have no doubt that support for my current 3DVision setup will eventually be dropped by nVidia in the future, but by that time, I'll want to purchase whatever they have next because that will be newer and better tech, or try something else on the market. That's just the progression of technology.



Also, the iZ3D solution is not interesting at all to me because of the fact that it doesn't support SLI, which I plan to use in the future, and that it takes up both monitor outputs on your video card. I run a quadruple display setup (3 monitors and 1 HDTV), and having both outputs one of my video cards taken up by a single monitor would be unacceptable.

Likay and Rage are veterans for sure and have a lot of experience(s) with S3D and have a gazillion posts over on Stereo3d.com, hundreds here, and the same on MTBS3D. Their beef is the same as most S3D veterans in that Nvidia took away the free S3D candy and decided to turn it into something they can make a profit from. I don't like the way it all went down either, but the end result is still the same. Nvidia has a viable product on the market that they can make money from. This money allows the product to be properly supported by folks like Andrew Fear who have been a breath of fresh air to 3DVision users. I have stated it a million times on other forums, but you get what you pay for. If you pay nothing to support the technology, you get nothing, and that was the first mistake Nvidia made years ago by giving away the technology. I say giving it away because it was, and is, technology the competition doesn't offer yet they targeted similar street prices for their cards and software that enabled the technology. I think both Likay and Rage are both happily using IZ3D now which is cool. IZ3D is a great company and continues to significantly contribute to the community. But change is in the air for Nvidia! Heck, even Neil (aka Chopper) now has an press 3DVision unit for future game testing on MTBS3D so the world is changing and Nvidia IS supporting the community!



I agree the S3D conversion technology will likely disappear in favor of native S3D engines at some point in the future, but that won't happen anytime soon until displays are widely adopted. Until then... Nvidia, IZ3D, DDD, TDVision, and others are the industry angels as they make what we collectively enjoy and allow the displays to be widely adopted. They are all good in their own right and 10 years from now we will be thanking all of them for their contributions. After all, who ever thought we would see an Nvidia employee post on this forum! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

#9
Posted 03/13/2009 01:43 AM   
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