The specs on this monitor seemed to support 3D Vision. So as to test it and hope for the best, I purchased it and set it up this past weekend.
MONITOR SPECS:
31.5" WQHD (2560 x 1440) 1800R Curved Widescreen VA Display
NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology
Refresh Rate: 144Hz (Overclocking to 165Hz) - Using Display Port
Ports: 1 x Display Port 1.2, 1 x HDMI 1.4 & 4 - USB 3.0 Ports
ULMB
4ms
The display hardware is gorgeous with the thinnest bezel I've seen, and very well constructed. Contrast and color accuracy, especially blacks, are much richer than my Asus ROG PG278QR display. The size upgrade form my 27" is significant, and I think possibly the sweet spot for desktop gaming. Stereoscopic results are curious. The NVIDIA control panel identifies the monitor as a 3D compatible "Generic CRT". And the stereoscopic driver, as well as the shutter glasses, fully function. However, good news end here. The ghosting is so severe that it almost looks you are not wearing glasses.
I was sadly disappointed, since I hope enabling ULMB might have helped. It didn't. I will be returning the monitor this week, and decided to share here so others would not have to buy it unnecessarily.
The specs on this monitor seemed to support 3D Vision. So as to test it and hope for the best, I purchased it and set it up this past weekend.
MONITOR SPECS:
31.5" WQHD (2560 x 1440) 1800R Curved Widescreen VA Display
NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology
Refresh Rate: 144Hz (Overclocking to 165Hz) - Using Display Port
Ports: 1 x Display Port 1.2, 1 x HDMI 1.4 & 4 - USB 3.0 Ports
ULMB
4ms
The display hardware is gorgeous with the thinnest bezel I've seen, and very well constructed. Contrast and color accuracy, especially blacks, are much richer than my Asus ROG PG278QR display. The size upgrade form my 27" is significant, and I think possibly the sweet spot for desktop gaming. Stereoscopic results are curious. The NVIDIA control panel identifies the monitor as a 3D compatible "Generic CRT". And the stereoscopic driver, as well as the shutter glasses, fully function. However, good news end here. The ghosting is so severe that it almost looks you are not wearing glasses.
I was sadly disappointed, since I hope enabling ULMB might have helped. It didn't. I will be returning the monitor this week, and decided to share here so others would not have to buy it unnecessarily.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
[quote="mgriggs22"]That is a bummer, sorry to hear that. Just curious, did you try different refresh rates other than 144hz, maybe try it at 120hz?
[/quote]
Yes, I tried at 120Hz and 100Hz. Neither worked. I think the issue stems not from refresh rate, but from the slow response time of 4ms. I ordered another screen with similar specs, but a 1ms response time that better matches TN panels. Hopefully this helps, cause once you go 32", you can't go back.
I'll report findings.
mgriggs22 said:That is a bummer, sorry to hear that. Just curious, did you try different refresh rates other than 144hz, maybe try it at 120hz?
Yes, I tried at 120Hz and 100Hz. Neither worked. I think the issue stems not from refresh rate, but from the slow response time of 4ms. I ordered another screen with similar specs, but a 1ms response time that better matches TN panels. Hopefully this helps, cause once you go 32", you can't go back.
I'll report findings.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
I don't know all the answers, but it might be useful to look at:
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4605
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1076169/?comment=5894323
Clearly we all want the same thing so I've been trying to do some digging around.
Maybe we need another thread or sticky to list all the failures and successes?
It would probably be worth doing a bit of work to establish what good 3d looks like through a slow motion video as well.
Clearly we all want the same thing so I've been trying to do some digging around.
Maybe we need another thread or sticky to list all the failures and successes?
It would probably be worth doing a bit of work to establish what good 3d looks like through a slow motion video as well.
Gigabyte RTX2080TI Gaming OC, I7-6700k ~ 4.4Ghz, 3x BenQ XL2420T, BenQ TK800, LG 55EG960V (3D OLED), Samsung 850 EVO SSD, Crucial M4 SSD, 3D vision kit, Xpand x104 glasses, Corsair HX1000i, Win 10 pro 64/Win 7 64https://www.3dmark.com/fs/9529310
The reason I decided to try out the monitor was the high refresh rate, supports for GSYNC (that supposedly implies 3D support), and that unlike many other VA panels, [b]this one supports ULMB which might have mitigated crosstalk[/b]. Alas, it was terrible, at least out of the box. The one spec that is not quite meeting 3D Vision requirements is the monitor's high response rate of 4ms (3D Vision required 2ms or better, if I recall correctly).
The forum post you linked to mentions some sort of "reverse hack", but it is so densely written and with no actionable advice for me, that it goes right over my head. It emphasizes that ULMB + 120Hz should work with glasses, but this monitor meets those 2 requirements, yet crosstalk is excessive (at least with no hacks).
I am hoping that with a significant improvement on response rate of 1ms – while other specs remain the same – this issue *MIGHT* be resolved. If not, I'll just return the next candidate as well.
As for discerning good 3D, fortunately my current monitor supports 3D Vision out of the box (Asus ROG PG278QR). I've owned 3D vision since version 1, on a CRT, and several 3D Vision ready monitors over the years. So I have a good frame of reference to at least judge from an end user. It's just that it seemed we got stuck at 27" inches of official support. After owning a Dell 30" IPS, I was never satisfied with anything smaller.
So now several monitors int he 32 inch rate have settings that "should" work with 3D Vision, unfortunately there's not one source where I can check what works or doesn't. Nvidia has not updated their supported hardware page in years.
The reason I decided to try out the monitor was the high refresh rate, supports for GSYNC (that supposedly implies 3D support), and that unlike many other VA panels, this one supports ULMB which might have mitigated crosstalk. Alas, it was terrible, at least out of the box. The one spec that is not quite meeting 3D Vision requirements is the monitor's high response rate of 4ms (3D Vision required 2ms or better, if I recall correctly).
The forum post you linked to mentions some sort of "reverse hack", but it is so densely written and with no actionable advice for me, that it goes right over my head. It emphasizes that ULMB + 120Hz should work with glasses, but this monitor meets those 2 requirements, yet crosstalk is excessive (at least with no hacks).
I am hoping that with a significant improvement on response rate of 1ms – while other specs remain the same – this issue *MIGHT* be resolved. If not, I'll just return the next candidate as well.
As for discerning good 3D, fortunately my current monitor supports 3D Vision out of the box (Asus ROG PG278QR). I've owned 3D vision since version 1, on a CRT, and several 3D Vision ready monitors over the years. So I have a good frame of reference to at least judge from an end user. It's just that it seemed we got stuck at 27" inches of official support. After owning a Dell 30" IPS, I was never satisfied with anything smaller.
So now several monitors int he 32 inch rate have settings that "should" work with 3D Vision, unfortunately there's not one source where I can check what works or doesn't. Nvidia has not updated their supported hardware page in years.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Unfortunately, I can only test out of the box. If you are willing to give me a concise set of instructions on how to hack any of these monitors, I'll gladly try them and report this upcoming weekend. I have ordered all of these and can test them:
1- Acer Predator Gaming Z321QU bmiphzx Curved 31.5" WQHD Monitor with NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology (Display Port & HDMI Port)
2- LG 32GK850G-B 32" QHD Gaming Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate and NVIDIA G-Sync
3- Acer XZ321QU bmijpphzx 31.5" Curved WQHD (2560 x 1440) Monitor with AMD FREESYNC Technology | 1ms | 144Hz Refresh | HDR Ready | (Display Port, Mini Display Port & 2 x HDMI Ports)
4- Samsung C32HG70 32-Inch HDR QLED Curved Gaming Monitor (144Hz / 1ms) Model C32HG70QQN[/.]
Unfortunately, I can only test out of the box. If you are willing to give me a concise set of instructions on how to hack any of these monitors, I'll gladly try them and report this upcoming weekend. I have ordered all of these and can test them:
1- Acer Predator Gaming Z321QU bmiphzx Curved 31.5" WQHD Monitor with NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology (Display Port & HDMI Port)
2- LG 32GK850G-B 32" QHD Gaming Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate and NVIDIA G-Sync
3- Acer XZ321QU bmijpphzx 31.5" Curved WQHD (2560 x 1440) Monitor with AMD FREESYNC Technology | 1ms | 144Hz Refresh | HDR Ready | (Display Port, Mini Display Port & 2 x HDMI Ports)
Thanks for sharing your experiences NeIVIeSiS, I was hoping for good news but looks like result is as expected. I hope you get lucky with other monitors and bring us some good news. Good luck.
Thanks for sharing your experiences NeIVIeSiS, I was hoping for good news but looks like result is as expected. I hope you get lucky with other monitors and bring us some good news. Good luck.
Asus Deluxe Gen3, Core i7 2700k@4.5Ghz, GTX 1080Ti, 16 GB RAM, Win 7 64bit
Samsung Pro 250 GB SSD, 4 TB WD Black (games)
Benq XL2720Z
[quote="NeIVIeSiS"]Unfortunately, I can only test out of the box. If you are willing to give me a concise set of instructions on how to hack any of these monitors, I'll gladly try them and report this upcoming weekend.
[/quote]
Unfortunately I don't think this is possible, as the discussion was fairly theoretical.
I posted the links just to share extra information.
It's definitely useful that you have a good frame of reference, as a lot of subjective feedback can be misleading, even if it's not the intention.
It's my fault for not expanding my comment, but I was also talking about a slo mo video of a certified 3d vision display. I'll try and do one tonight. I've only seen slo mo videos of displays that don't work properly in 3d.
NeIVIeSiS said:Unfortunately, I can only test out of the box. If you are willing to give me a concise set of instructions on how to hack any of these monitors, I'll gladly try them and report this upcoming weekend.
Unfortunately I don't think this is possible, as the discussion was fairly theoretical.
I posted the links just to share extra information.
It's definitely useful that you have a good frame of reference, as a lot of subjective feedback can be misleading, even if it's not the intention.
It's my fault for not expanding my comment, but I was also talking about a slo mo video of a certified 3d vision display. I'll try and do one tonight. I've only seen slo mo videos of displays that don't work properly in 3d.
Gigabyte RTX2080TI Gaming OC, I7-6700k ~ 4.4Ghz, 3x BenQ XL2420T, BenQ TK800, LG 55EG960V (3D OLED), Samsung 850 EVO SSD, Crucial M4 SSD, 3D vision kit, Xpand x104 glasses, Corsair HX1000i, Win 10 pro 64/Win 7 64https://www.3dmark.com/fs/9529310
I appreciate the links. I re-read the post, and finally understood what he meant by "reverse hack". He had been hacking Lighboost monitors meant for 3D Vision 1, into enabling Lightboost without 3-D to improve motion blur.
By "reverse hack" he meant taking normal ULMB monitors meant for 2-D, but hacking the anti-blur technology to support shutter glasses and fix crosstalk. Effectively approaching this problem from the opposite direction of what the site is about since they care about motion blur and not 3-D.
The other suggestion was to reduce color saturation and lower contrast in monitors while increasing blacks, to help with crosstalk.
He just to say this simple statements in 10,000 words filled with jargon :P
I appreciate the links. I re-read the post, and finally understood what he meant by "reverse hack". He had been hacking Lighboost monitors meant for 3D Vision 1, into enabling Lightboost without 3-D to improve motion blur.
By "reverse hack" he meant taking normal ULMB monitors meant for 2-D, but hacking the anti-blur technology to support shutter glasses and fix crosstalk. Effectively approaching this problem from the opposite direction of what the site is about since they care about motion blur and not 3-D.
The other suggestion was to reduce color saturation and lower contrast in monitors while increasing blacks, to help with crosstalk.
He just to say this simple statements in 10,000 words filled with jargon :P
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
[quote="NeIVIeSiS"]The specs on this monitor seemed to support 3D Vision. So as to test it and hope for the best, I purchased it and set it up this past weekend.
.[/quote]
The main problem is response time 4ms - this, only, this causing ghosting.
It must be at 1ms. My previous FHD ASUS 3D Vision Monitor has 2ms.
And the difference is realy huge between them an newes one wqhd ASUS 279 with 1ms.
GSYNC nothing matters for 3D Vision mode, because it will be prompted to off with no Options.
However, nVidia has developed new Drivers with free sync support.
But for 3D Vision both gsync or free sync not necessary at all.
ULMB - yes.
NeIVIeSiS said:The specs on this monitor seemed to support 3D Vision. So as to test it and hope for the best, I purchased it and set it up this past weekend.
.
The main problem is response time 4ms - this, only, this causing ghosting.
It must be at 1ms. My previous FHD ASUS 3D Vision Monitor has 2ms.
And the difference is realy huge between them an newes one wqhd ASUS 279 with 1ms.
GSYNC nothing matters for 3D Vision mode, because it will be prompted to off with no Options.
However, nVidia has developed new Drivers with free sync support.
But for 3D Vision both gsync or free sync not necessary at all.
ULMB - yes.
Try this...
Generic CRT might have different timings used for the glasses that induce ghosting because of using a different Vesa timing method. It might use CVT, GTF or DMT based shutter glass response times.
3D Vision Displays use CVT Reduced Blank timings. (which is for over-driving LCD panels)
https://www.nvidia.com/object/advanced_timings.html
Use CRU by ToastyX and change the display id of the unsupported monitor to a supported one. This will bring it over into the supported display realm of certified monitors, possibly improving shutter glass timings.
You can get your current display id or try some listed in this [url=https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1009715/3d-vision/list-of-3d-vision-ready-hardware/post/5151481/#5151481]thread[/url], it's likely that each display id has a slight variance in shutter timings due to variations such as display response time/connection type/format type etc.. Dunno
Use Monitor Asset Manager (EnTech Taiwan) tis free and create an inf from your PG27QR and the display you are testing. Copy the native resolution info from the test monitor inf. Now open the Asus inf and edit the 16:9 native info with the 21:9 info and create a new inf if needed. I think it modifies the existing inf you created, thus not needing to make a new one. So back up the original, if you want. Then try an EDID override with the newly created inf.
Dunno, if the above might be a waste of time, It might be that only TN panels have what it takes to work well with 3D Vision. But at the sdame time, there are many 3D HDTVs that are using panels that are not TN and they work well with stereoscopic gaming (excluding control input lag)
Anyways, I hope you comprehend my ramble and find it useful.
GL
Generic CRT might have different timings used for the glasses that induce ghosting because of using a different Vesa timing method. It might use CVT, GTF or DMT based shutter glass response times.
Use CRU by ToastyX and change the display id of the unsupported monitor to a supported one. This will bring it over into the supported display realm of certified monitors, possibly improving shutter glass timings.
You can get your current display id or try some listed in this thread, it's likely that each display id has a slight variance in shutter timings due to variations such as display response time/connection type/format type etc.. Dunno
Use Monitor Asset Manager (EnTech Taiwan) tis free and create an inf from your PG27QR and the display you are testing. Copy the native resolution info from the test monitor inf. Now open the Asus inf and edit the 16:9 native info with the 21:9 info and create a new inf if needed. I think it modifies the existing inf you created, thus not needing to make a new one. So back up the original, if you want. Then try an EDID override with the newly created inf.
Dunno, if the above might be a waste of time, It might be that only TN panels have what it takes to work well with 3D Vision. But at the sdame time, there are many 3D HDTVs that are using panels that are not TN and they work well with stereoscopic gaming (excluding control input lag)
Anyways, I hope you comprehend my ramble and find it useful.
[quote="D-Man11"]Try this...
Use CRU by ToastyX and change the display id of the unsupported monitor to a supported one. This will bring it over into the supported display realm of certified monitors, possibly improving shutter glass timings.
[/quote]
Big thanks for the info. Good news is - i have ASUS PG279Q 3D Vision Ready monitor. I can just read edid info from it and try write to new MSI Optix MAG321CQR (i do backup before of course)
Will see how it helps
P.S.
I started with 3D about 20 years ago with ELSA Revelator 3d and nVidia TNT2 and CRT Monitor IIyama 17”.
Use CRU by ToastyX and change the display id of the unsupported monitor to a supported one. This will bring it over into the supported display realm of certified monitors, possibly improving shutter glass timings.
Big thanks for the info. Good news is - i have ASUS PG279Q 3D Vision Ready monitor. I can just read edid info from it and try write to new MSI Optix MAG321CQR (i do backup before of course)
Will see how it helps
P.S.
I started with 3D about 20 years ago with ELSA Revelator 3d and nVidia TNT2 and CRT Monitor IIyama 17”.
I ended up returning all the test monitors a couple of months ago. I was unsuccessful at getting them to work without extreme ghosting. It was so bad, it basically looked the same with and without glasses.
That being said, the Samsung CHG70 does have 1ms response time. I didn't try that one.
I ended up returning all the test monitors a couple of months ago. I was unsuccessful at getting them to work without extreme ghosting. It was so bad, it basically looked the same with and without glasses.
That being said, the Samsung CHG70 does have 1ms response time. I didn't try that one.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
[quote="NeIVIeSiS"]I ended up returning all the test monitors a couple of months ago. I was unsuccessful at getting them to work without extreme ghosting. It was so bad, it basically looked the same with and without glasses.
That being said, the Samsung CHG70 does have 1ms response time. I didn't try that one.[/quote]
MSI MAG321CQR has an VA Panel, but the news generation. The Info what i found about real pixel response time was that is faster than other, but without any digits - like 1 ms or 2 ms or something.
It should arrive in one week. I try it and will see how it works
NeIVIeSiS said:I ended up returning all the test monitors a couple of months ago. I was unsuccessful at getting them to work without extreme ghosting. It was so bad, it basically looked the same with and without glasses.
That being said, the Samsung CHG70 does have 1ms response time. I didn't try that one.
MSI MAG321CQR has an VA Panel, but the news generation. The Info what i found about real pixel response time was that is faster than other, but without any digits - like 1 ms or 2 ms or something.
It should arrive in one week. I try it and will see how it works
MSI MAG321CQR is arrived yesterday.
I did some tests – with no success for now
First of all – simply test - connect over HDMI, disconnect ASUS PG278Q via DP.
nVidia Control panel says CRT monitor for 3D Vision.
Have looked into MSI’s menu – set response time from normal to fastetst, all others option to off.
Started nVidia test with Logo – totally mess.
Next step.
Driver override.
With Monitor Asset Manager did 2 inf’s – ASUS and MSI.
Both monitors are 144 Hz, both with max res 2560*1440, both without HDR. Restart windows with hold down shift and restore option for supress message driver are not digitaly signed.
In device manager – update driver from pnp monitor to ASUS 3D Vision Ready. Restart PC.
After reboot. nVidia control panel recognize msi like asus pg278qr
Finaly – start test. Result – blank screen and no signal.
Any suggestions?
You can get your current display id or try some listed in this [url=https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1009715/3d-vision/list-of-3d-vision-ready-hardware/post/5151481/#5151481]thread[/url], it's likely that each display id has a slight variance in shutter timings due to variations such as display response time/connection type/format type etc.. Dunno
Use Monitor Asset Manager (EnTech Taiwan) tis free and create an inf from your PG27QR and the display you are testing. Copy the native resolution info from the test monitor inf. Now open the Asus inf and edit the 16:9 native info with the 21:9 info and create a new inf if needed. I think it modifies the existing inf you created, thus not needing to make a new one. So back up the original, if you want. Then try an EDID override with the newly created inf.
Dunno, if the above might be a waste of time, It might be that only TN panels have what it takes to work well with 3D Vision. But at the sdame time, there are many 3D HDTVs that are using panels that are not TN and they work well with stereoscopic gaming (excluding control input lag)
Anyways, I hope you comprehend my ramble and find it useful.
GL[/quote]
MSI MAG321CQR is arrived yesterday.
I did some tests – with no success for now
First of all – simply test - connect over HDMI, disconnect ASUS PG278Q via DP.
nVidia Control panel says CRT monitor for 3D Vision.
Have looked into MSI’s menu – set response time from normal to fastetst, all others option to off.
Started nVidia test with Logo – totally mess.
Next step.
Driver override.
With Monitor Asset Manager did 2 inf’s – ASUS and MSI.
Both monitors are 144 Hz, both with max res 2560*1440, both without HDR. Restart windows with hold down shift and restore option for supress message driver are not digitaly signed.
In device manager – update driver from pnp monitor to ASUS 3D Vision Ready. Restart PC.
After reboot. nVidia control panel recognize msi like asus pg278qr
Finaly – start test. Result – blank screen and no signal.
Any suggestions?
You can get your current display id or try some listed in this thread, it's likely that each display id has a slight variance in shutter timings due to variations such as display response time/connection type/format type etc.. Dunno
Use Monitor Asset Manager (EnTech Taiwan) tis free and create an inf from your PG27QR and the display you are testing. Copy the native resolution info from the test monitor inf. Now open the Asus inf and edit the 16:9 native info with the 21:9 info and create a new inf if needed. I think it modifies the existing inf you created, thus not needing to make a new one. So back up the original, if you want. Then try an EDID override with the newly created inf.
Dunno, if the above might be a waste of time, It might be that only TN panels have what it takes to work well with 3D Vision. But at the sdame time, there are many 3D HDTVs that are using panels that are not TN and they work well with stereoscopic gaming (excluding control input lag)
Anyways, I hope you comprehend my ramble and find it useful.
MONITOR SPECS:
31.5" WQHD (2560 x 1440) 1800R Curved Widescreen VA Display
NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology
Refresh Rate: 144Hz (Overclocking to 165Hz) - Using Display Port
Ports: 1 x Display Port 1.2, 1 x HDMI 1.4 & 4 - USB 3.0 Ports
ULMB
4ms
The display hardware is gorgeous with the thinnest bezel I've seen, and very well constructed. Contrast and color accuracy, especially blacks, are much richer than my Asus ROG PG278QR display. The size upgrade form my 27" is significant, and I think possibly the sweet spot for desktop gaming. Stereoscopic results are curious. The NVIDIA control panel identifies the monitor as a 3D compatible "Generic CRT". And the stereoscopic driver, as well as the shutter glasses, fully function. However, good news end here. The ghosting is so severe that it almost looks you are not wearing glasses.
I was sadly disappointed, since I hope enabling ULMB might have helped. It didn't. I will be returning the monitor this week, and decided to share here so others would not have to buy it unnecessarily.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Intel 7700k @ 4.2Ghz / 32GB @ 3200
Asus Z270 / 2 x Evga 1070
4 x Samsung 840 Raid 0
4 x Samsung 850 Pro Raid 0
Samsung 950 Pro
Epson 5040UB 3DTVPlay
Yes, I tried at 120Hz and 100Hz. Neither worked. I think the issue stems not from refresh rate, but from the slow response time of 4ms. I ordered another screen with similar specs, but a 1ms response time that better matches TN panels. Hopefully this helps, cause once you go 32", you can't go back.
I'll report findings.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4605
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1076169/?comment=5894323
Clearly we all want the same thing so I've been trying to do some digging around.
Maybe we need another thread or sticky to list all the failures and successes?
It would probably be worth doing a bit of work to establish what good 3d looks like through a slow motion video as well.
Gigabyte RTX2080TI Gaming OC, I7-6700k ~ 4.4Ghz, 3x BenQ XL2420T, BenQ TK800, LG 55EG960V (3D OLED), Samsung 850 EVO SSD, Crucial M4 SSD, 3D vision kit, Xpand x104 glasses, Corsair HX1000i, Win 10 pro 64/Win 7 64https://www.3dmark.com/fs/9529310
The forum post you linked to mentions some sort of "reverse hack", but it is so densely written and with no actionable advice for me, that it goes right over my head. It emphasizes that ULMB + 120Hz should work with glasses, but this monitor meets those 2 requirements, yet crosstalk is excessive (at least with no hacks).
I am hoping that with a significant improvement on response rate of 1ms – while other specs remain the same – this issue *MIGHT* be resolved. If not, I'll just return the next candidate as well.
As for discerning good 3D, fortunately my current monitor supports 3D Vision out of the box (Asus ROG PG278QR). I've owned 3D vision since version 1, on a CRT, and several 3D Vision ready monitors over the years. So I have a good frame of reference to at least judge from an end user. It's just that it seemed we got stuck at 27" inches of official support. After owning a Dell 30" IPS, I was never satisfied with anything smaller.
So now several monitors int he 32 inch rate have settings that "should" work with 3D Vision, unfortunately there's not one source where I can check what works or doesn't. Nvidia has not updated their supported hardware page in years.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
1- Acer Predator Gaming Z321QU bmiphzx Curved 31.5" WQHD Monitor with NVIDIA G-SYNC Technology (Display Port & HDMI Port)
2- LG 32GK850G-B 32" QHD Gaming Monitor with 144Hz Refresh Rate and NVIDIA G-Sync
3- Acer XZ321QU bmijpphzx 31.5" Curved WQHD (2560 x 1440) Monitor with AMD FREESYNC Technology | 1ms | 144Hz Refresh | HDR Ready | (Display Port, Mini Display Port & 2 x HDMI Ports)
4- Samsung C32HG70 32-Inch HDR QLED Curved Gaming Monitor (144Hz / 1ms) Model C32HG70QQN[/.]
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
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Samsung Pro 250 GB SSD, 4 TB WD Black (games)
Benq XL2720Z
Unfortunately I don't think this is possible, as the discussion was fairly theoretical.
I posted the links just to share extra information.
It's definitely useful that you have a good frame of reference, as a lot of subjective feedback can be misleading, even if it's not the intention.
It's my fault for not expanding my comment, but I was also talking about a slo mo video of a certified 3d vision display. I'll try and do one tonight. I've only seen slo mo videos of displays that don't work properly in 3d.
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By "reverse hack" he meant taking normal ULMB monitors meant for 2-D, but hacking the anti-blur technology to support shutter glasses and fix crosstalk. Effectively approaching this problem from the opposite direction of what the site is about since they care about motion blur and not 3-D.
The other suggestion was to reduce color saturation and lower contrast in monitors while increasing blacks, to help with crosstalk.
He just to say this simple statements in 10,000 words filled with jargon :P
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
The main problem is response time 4ms - this, only, this causing ghosting.
It must be at 1ms. My previous FHD ASUS 3D Vision Monitor has 2ms.
And the difference is realy huge between them an newes one wqhd ASUS 279 with 1ms.
GSYNC nothing matters for 3D Vision mode, because it will be prompted to off with no Options.
However, nVidia has developed new Drivers with free sync support.
But for 3D Vision both gsync or free sync not necessary at all.
ULMB - yes.
Generic CRT might have different timings used for the glasses that induce ghosting because of using a different Vesa timing method. It might use CVT, GTF or DMT based shutter glass response times.
3D Vision Displays use CVT Reduced Blank timings. (which is for over-driving LCD panels)
https://www.nvidia.com/object/advanced_timings.html
Use CRU by ToastyX and change the display id of the unsupported monitor to a supported one. This will bring it over into the supported display realm of certified monitors, possibly improving shutter glass timings.
You can get your current display id or try some listed in this thread, it's likely that each display id has a slight variance in shutter timings due to variations such as display response time/connection type/format type etc.. Dunno
Use Monitor Asset Manager (EnTech Taiwan) tis free and create an inf from your PG27QR and the display you are testing. Copy the native resolution info from the test monitor inf. Now open the Asus inf and edit the 16:9 native info with the 21:9 info and create a new inf if needed. I think it modifies the existing inf you created, thus not needing to make a new one. So back up the original, if you want. Then try an EDID override with the newly created inf.
Dunno, if the above might be a waste of time, It might be that only TN panels have what it takes to work well with 3D Vision. But at the sdame time, there are many 3D HDTVs that are using panels that are not TN and they work well with stereoscopic gaming (excluding control input lag)
Anyways, I hope you comprehend my ramble and find it useful.
GL
Big thanks for the info. Good news is - i have ASUS PG279Q 3D Vision Ready monitor. I can just read edid info from it and try write to new MSI Optix MAG321CQR (i do backup before of course)
Will see how it helps
P.S.
I started with 3D about 20 years ago with ELSA Revelator 3d and nVidia TNT2 and CRT Monitor IIyama 17”.
That being said, the Samsung CHG70 does have 1ms response time. I didn't try that one.
CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
MB: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE
RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 799MHz (10-10-10-27)
VGA: Asus Strix GTX 1070 2x SLI
DISPLAY: Asus ROG PG278QR
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
MSI MAG321CQR has an VA Panel, but the news generation. The Info what i found about real pixel response time was that is faster than other, but without any digits - like 1 ms or 2 ms or something.
It should arrive in one week. I try it and will see how it works
I did some tests – with no success for now
First of all – simply test - connect over HDMI, disconnect ASUS PG278Q via DP.
nVidia Control panel says CRT monitor for 3D Vision.
Have looked into MSI’s menu – set response time from normal to fastetst, all others option to off.
Started nVidia test with Logo – totally mess.
Next step.
Driver override.
With Monitor Asset Manager did 2 inf’s – ASUS and MSI.
Both monitors are 144 Hz, both with max res 2560*1440, both without HDR. Restart windows with hold down shift and restore option for supress message driver are not digitaly signed.
In device manager – update driver from pnp monitor to ASUS 3D Vision Ready. Restart PC.
After reboot. nVidia control panel recognize msi like asus pg278qr
Finaly – start test. Result – blank screen and no signal.
Any suggestions?
You can get your current display id or try some listed in this thread, it's likely that each display id has a slight variance in shutter timings due to variations such as display response time/connection type/format type etc.. Dunno
Use Monitor Asset Manager (EnTech Taiwan) tis free and create an inf from your PG27QR and the display you are testing. Copy the native resolution info from the test monitor inf. Now open the Asus inf and edit the 16:9 native info with the 21:9 info and create a new inf if needed. I think it modifies the existing inf you created, thus not needing to make a new one. So back up the original, if you want. Then try an EDID override with the newly created inf.
Dunno, if the above might be a waste of time, It might be that only TN panels have what it takes to work well with 3D Vision. But at the sdame time, there are many 3D HDTVs that are using panels that are not TN and they work well with stereoscopic gaming (excluding control input lag)
Anyways, I hope you comprehend my ramble and find it useful.
GL