What is the major disadvantage of red/cyan glasses
What is the major disadvantage of red/cyan glasses compared to LCD shutter glasses as far as PC gaming goes?
I imagine that color reproduction and ghosting are the number one disadvantage, would you guys agree?
I know that red/cyan mode needs more GPU power due to the fact that two overlaying images are being displayed, but that isn't really a disadvantage compared to other 3D stereo methods because they all require the display of two images and thus needing more GPU power correct? Or am I wrong there?
Since I just bought a 52 inch LCD TV a year ago for PC gaming, I am not really keen on buying a CRT, DLP, or one of those new 3D LCD screens. Worst of all is my LCD TV has a refresh rate of 60hz even though it has a 4 ms response time, meaning red/cyan glasses are my only option.
I have used red/cyan glasses on my setup, and I am pleased with the effects. The ghosting doesn't bother me, neither does the decreased accuracy of color reproduction. But I am worried that it uses more GPU power than other 3D stereo methods. Can someone confirm or deny if it does?
Right now I am enjoying Serious Sam: The Second Encounter using its own native red/cyan mode rather than Nvidia's driver.
What is the major disadvantage of red/cyan glasses compared to LCD shutter glasses as far as PC gaming goes?
I imagine that color reproduction and ghosting are the number one disadvantage, would you guys agree?
I know that red/cyan mode needs more GPU power due to the fact that two overlaying images are being displayed, but that isn't really a disadvantage compared to other 3D stereo methods because they all require the display of two images and thus needing more GPU power correct? Or am I wrong there?
Since I just bought a 52 inch LCD TV a year ago for PC gaming, I am not really keen on buying a CRT, DLP, or one of those new 3D LCD screens. Worst of all is my LCD TV has a refresh rate of 60hz even though it has a 4 ms response time, meaning red/cyan glasses are my only option.
I have used red/cyan glasses on my setup, and I am pleased with the effects. The ghosting doesn't bother me, neither does the decreased accuracy of color reproduction. But I am worried that it uses more GPU power than other 3D stereo methods. Can someone confirm or deny if it does?
Right now I am enjoying Serious Sam: The Second Encounter using its own native red/cyan mode rather than Nvidia's driver.
The major disadvantage is of course color reproduction. Ghosting depends most on how well the glasses is tuned to the rgb pixel colors on your screen (and of course also the settings in the driver).
About slowing down computers: 3D of course makes the computer work harder and slows it down. I have no idea what the difference in framerates (anaglyph) compared with other solutions (shutters, vga..ect) is, but i think the difference is very small.
If you're happy gaming in anaglyph you should continue to do that. As you said it does work on every screen and only red/cyan glasses are needed. Besides it's really cheap and it's true 3D. :D
The major disadvantage is of course color reproduction. Ghosting depends most on how well the glasses is tuned to the rgb pixel colors on your screen (and of course also the settings in the driver).
About slowing down computers: 3D of course makes the computer work harder and slows it down. I have no idea what the difference in framerates (anaglyph) compared with other solutions (shutters, vga..ect) is, but i think the difference is very small.
If you're happy gaming in anaglyph you should continue to do that. As you said it does work on every screen and only red/cyan glasses are needed. Besides it's really cheap and it's true 3D. :D
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I find it uses the same GPU power as shutter glasses on a CRT.
I find red/blue glasses ok if You use low separation (~6% or 0,5cm distance between the images) - the colors, ghosting and 3D effect is ok.
With higher separation the ghosting and colors destroys the 3D effect for me. This doesn't happen with shutterglasses where I can adjust the 3D effect to "real life 3D" settings in some games:
separation - 7,5cm (eyedistance) on distant ingame objects (like a mountain)
convergence - close ingame objects (a scope or the steering wheel) aligned as one.
But red/cyan glasses might be better then red/blue ones.
I find it uses the same GPU power as shutter glasses on a CRT.
I find red/blue glasses ok if You use low separation (~6% or 0,5cm distance between the images) - the colors, ghosting and 3D effect is ok.
With higher separation the ghosting and colors destroys the 3D effect for me. This doesn't happen with shutterglasses where I can adjust the 3D effect to "real life 3D" settings in some games:
separation - 7,5cm (eyedistance) on distant ingame objects (like a mountain)
convergence - close ingame objects (a scope or the steering wheel) aligned as one.
But red/cyan glasses might be better then red/blue ones.
To the poster above me: How did you determine that red/cyan glasses use the same amount of power as red/cyan glasses?
Also I hope Nvidia releases stereo 3d drivers for the 8xxxx series soon! What ever happened to kind dragon's anaglyph drivers? I tried to install them, but they gave me an error.
To the poster above me: How did you determine that red/cyan glasses use the same amount of power as red/cyan glasses?
Also I hope Nvidia releases stereo 3d drivers for the 8xxxx series soon! What ever happened to kind dragon's anaglyph drivers? I tried to install them, but they gave me an error.
I use Fraps in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4. Same fps in 3D.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
[quote name='Freke1' date='Dec 17 2007, 06:24 AM']I use Fraps in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4. Same fps in 3D.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
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Yeah Kind dragon's drivers work with Half Life 2 and a few other games, but unfortunately he can't support them even if I pay him hourly to support them because he works for iz3d.
I am thinking of having one of my programmers develop an anaglyph driver from scratch for 8xxxx users if Nvidia doesn't release anything anytime soon.
[quote name='Freke1' date='Dec 17 2007, 06:24 AM']I use Fraps in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty 4. Same fps in 3D.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
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Yeah Kind dragon's drivers work with Half Life 2 and a few other games, but unfortunately he can't support them even if I pay him hourly to support them because he works for iz3d.
I am thinking of having one of my programmers develop an anaglyph driver from scratch for 8xxxx users if Nvidia doesn't release anything anytime soon.
Well this is what I see using the Revelator Shutter glasses. You have to use the cross-eye technique to view this image and get the 3D, but imagine this in Full Screen and moving.
Well this is what I see using the Revelator Shutter glasses. You have to use the cross-eye technique to view this image and get the 3D, but imagine this in Full Screen and moving.
This is a sterescopic image taken from the latest release 'Painkiller - Overdose'
It runs about 42fps in 3D mode on my 'out-of-date' system.
Colour reproduction is not a major disadvantage. With red and cyan you get the full colour spectrum. Half the colour information comes from one eye, and half from the other eye, but your brain combines the colour information together and you see full colour.
No, the problems are ghosting, sometimes your brain has trouble merging the images, the brightness is too low, bluriness, and after you wear them for any length of time and you take them off your eyes behave as though they suddenly have opposite coloured lenses in front of them.
The last disadvantage is seriously freaky! But don't worry about it, it is temporary and easily fixed.
All in all, red/cyan glassses are definately worth using if you don't have anything else.
I tried 3D stereo on my Vuzix VR920 virtual reality head mounted display, and it is great! It has a seperate screen for each eye, so there is zero ghosting (at least in the stereo sense of the word). Also the focus is set at 9 feet, so there is less of the strain to focus on a different depth than the stereo is at. You can turn the stereo up to maximum, and it will still look as perfect as the real world (in terms of stereo). I wouldn't be able to do that with red/cyan glasses.
Colour reproduction is not a major disadvantage. With red and cyan you get the full colour spectrum. Half the colour information comes from one eye, and half from the other eye, but your brain combines the colour information together and you see full colour.
No, the problems are ghosting, sometimes your brain has trouble merging the images, the brightness is too low, bluriness, and after you wear them for any length of time and you take them off your eyes behave as though they suddenly have opposite coloured lenses in front of them.
The last disadvantage is seriously freaky! But don't worry about it, it is temporary and easily fixed.
All in all, red/cyan glassses are definately worth using if you don't have anything else.
I tried 3D stereo on my Vuzix VR920 virtual reality head mounted display, and it is great! It has a seperate screen for each eye, so there is zero ghosting (at least in the stereo sense of the word). Also the focus is set at 9 feet, so there is less of the strain to focus on a different depth than the stereo is at. You can turn the stereo up to maximum, and it will still look as perfect as the real world (in terms of stereo). I wouldn't be able to do that with red/cyan glasses.
I imagine that color reproduction and ghosting are the number one disadvantage, would you guys agree?
I know that red/cyan mode needs more GPU power due to the fact that two overlaying images are being displayed, but that isn't really a disadvantage compared to other 3D stereo methods because they all require the display of two images and thus needing more GPU power correct? Or am I wrong there?
Since I just bought a 52 inch LCD TV a year ago for PC gaming, I am not really keen on buying a CRT, DLP, or one of those new 3D LCD screens. Worst of all is my LCD TV has a refresh rate of 60hz even though it has a 4 ms response time, meaning red/cyan glasses are my only option.
I have used red/cyan glasses on my setup, and I am pleased with the effects. The ghosting doesn't bother me, neither does the decreased accuracy of color reproduction. But I am worried that it uses more GPU power than other 3D stereo methods. Can someone confirm or deny if it does?
Right now I am enjoying Serious Sam: The Second Encounter using its own native red/cyan mode rather than Nvidia's driver.
I imagine that color reproduction and ghosting are the number one disadvantage, would you guys agree?
I know that red/cyan mode needs more GPU power due to the fact that two overlaying images are being displayed, but that isn't really a disadvantage compared to other 3D stereo methods because they all require the display of two images and thus needing more GPU power correct? Or am I wrong there?
Since I just bought a 52 inch LCD TV a year ago for PC gaming, I am not really keen on buying a CRT, DLP, or one of those new 3D LCD screens. Worst of all is my LCD TV has a refresh rate of 60hz even though it has a 4 ms response time, meaning red/cyan glasses are my only option.
I have used red/cyan glasses on my setup, and I am pleased with the effects. The ghosting doesn't bother me, neither does the decreased accuracy of color reproduction. But I am worried that it uses more GPU power than other 3D stereo methods. Can someone confirm or deny if it does?
Right now I am enjoying Serious Sam: The Second Encounter using its own native red/cyan mode rather than Nvidia's driver.
About slowing down computers: 3D of course makes the computer work harder and slows it down. I have no idea what the difference in framerates (anaglyph) compared with other solutions (shutters, vga..ect) is, but i think the difference is very small.
If you're happy gaming in anaglyph you should continue to do that. As you said it does work on every screen and only red/cyan glasses are needed. Besides it's really cheap and it's true 3D. :D
cheers
About slowing down computers: 3D of course makes the computer work harder and slows it down. I have no idea what the difference in framerates (anaglyph) compared with other solutions (shutters, vga..ect) is, but i think the difference is very small.
If you're happy gaming in anaglyph you should continue to do that. As you said it does work on every screen and only red/cyan glasses are needed. Besides it's really cheap and it's true 3D. :D
cheers
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I find it uses the same GPU power as shutter glasses on a CRT.
I find red/blue glasses ok if You use low separation (~6% or 0,5cm distance between the images) - the colors, ghosting and 3D effect is ok.
With higher separation the ghosting and colors destroys the 3D effect for me. This doesn't happen with shutterglasses where I can adjust the 3D effect to "real life 3D" settings in some games:
separation - 7,5cm (eyedistance) on distant ingame objects (like a mountain)
convergence - close ingame objects (a scope or the steering wheel) aligned as one.
But red/cyan glasses might be better then red/blue ones.
I find it uses the same GPU power as shutter glasses on a CRT.
I find red/blue glasses ok if You use low separation (~6% or 0,5cm distance between the images) - the colors, ghosting and 3D effect is ok.
With higher separation the ghosting and colors destroys the 3D effect for me. This doesn't happen with shutterglasses where I can adjust the 3D effect to "real life 3D" settings in some games:
separation - 7,5cm (eyedistance) on distant ingame objects (like a mountain)
convergence - close ingame objects (a scope or the steering wheel) aligned as one.
But red/cyan glasses might be better then red/blue ones.
Also I hope Nvidia releases stereo 3d drivers for the 8xxxx series soon! What ever happened to kind dragon's anaglyph drivers? I tried to install them, but they gave me an error.
Also I hope Nvidia releases stereo 3d drivers for the 8xxxx series soon! What ever happened to kind dragon's anaglyph drivers? I tried to install them, but they gave me an error.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
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Yeah Kind dragon's drivers work with Half Life 2 and a few other games, but unfortunately he can't support them even if I pay him hourly to support them because he works for iz3d.
I am thinking of having one of my programmers develop an anaglyph driver from scratch for 8xxxx users if Nvidia doesn't release anything anytime soon.
In the Aquamark benchmark the result is also the same in 3D.
Don't know much about Kind Dragon's driver. It should work in Flatout 2 and HalfLife 2 I think.
Yeah Kind dragon's drivers work with Half Life 2 and a few other games, but unfortunately he can't support them even if I pay him hourly to support them because he works for iz3d.
I am thinking of having one of my programmers develop an anaglyph driver from scratch for 8xxxx users if Nvidia doesn't release anything anytime soon.
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This is a sterescopic image taken from the latest release 'Painkiller - Overdose'
It runs about 42fps in 3D mode on my 'out-of-date' system.
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Geforce 6600GT (91.31 Drivers and Stereo Drivers)
1G Ram
Soundblaster Live 5.1
This is a sterescopic image taken from the latest release 'Painkiller - Overdose'
It runs about 42fps in 3D mode on my 'out-of-date' system.
WinXp Pro
AMD Athlon XP 2600+
Geforce 6600GT (91.31 Drivers and Stereo Drivers)
1G Ram
Soundblaster Live 5.1
No, the problems are ghosting, sometimes your brain has trouble merging the images, the brightness is too low, bluriness, and after you wear them for any length of time and you take them off your eyes behave as though they suddenly have opposite coloured lenses in front of them.
The last disadvantage is seriously freaky! But don't worry about it, it is temporary and easily fixed.
All in all, red/cyan glassses are definately worth using if you don't have anything else.
I tried 3D stereo on my Vuzix VR920 virtual reality head mounted display, and it is great! It has a seperate screen for each eye, so there is zero ghosting (at least in the stereo sense of the word). Also the focus is set at 9 feet, so there is less of the strain to focus on a different depth than the stereo is at. You can turn the stereo up to maximum, and it will still look as perfect as the real world (in terms of stereo). I wouldn't be able to do that with red/cyan glasses.
No, the problems are ghosting, sometimes your brain has trouble merging the images, the brightness is too low, bluriness, and after you wear them for any length of time and you take them off your eyes behave as though they suddenly have opposite coloured lenses in front of them.
The last disadvantage is seriously freaky! But don't worry about it, it is temporary and easily fixed.
All in all, red/cyan glassses are definately worth using if you don't have anything else.
I tried 3D stereo on my Vuzix VR920 virtual reality head mounted display, and it is great! It has a seperate screen for each eye, so there is zero ghosting (at least in the stereo sense of the word). Also the focus is set at 9 feet, so there is less of the strain to focus on a different depth than the stereo is at. You can turn the stereo up to maximum, and it will still look as perfect as the real world (in terms of stereo). I wouldn't be able to do that with red/cyan glasses.