I was hoping for this new driver to fix it. Ridiculous how long this is taking.
How hard can it be when it was working before?
Bet we've got a month wait for the next driver too.
Inept springs to mind.
I was hoping for this new driver to fix it. Ridiculous how long this is taking.
How hard can it be when it was working before?
Bet we've got a month wait for the next driver too.
Inept springs to mind.
I can confirm that 3D is totally crap, after 2 minutes your eyes beg for mercy.
I'm regretting the upgrade from my lovely radeon.
win 8.1 x64
MSI 970 Gaming driver 344.60
3DTV: Panasonic 55VT60
PowerDVD14: 3D flickers/blinking
TotalMedia: 3D flickers/blinking
WinDVD11: 3D is perfect... but unfortunatly the player is full other issues...
Please don't understimate this issue.. is important, we don't fkin care about call of duty improvement!!
i'm really sorry for being rude but i'm a bit pissed off.
Don't forget that you can't use the 6 month old working 3D drivers for the new 980 and 970 GTX's GFX cards!
You have to use later drivers at a bare minimum that don't work with 3D bluray!
That's the 2x 980 GTX's crossed off my Christmas list!
Im looking at the new AMD 290X 8GB. At least they work with 3D bluray and have a 512 bit memory bus.
I bet Nvidia will soon release an 8GB 980 GTX with the same crippled 256 bus making the extra 4GB memory useless!
How hard is it to put a 512 bit bus on a GFX card when AMD have been for years?
They'll never get the VRAM speed clocked fast enough to compensate and it'll be a God sent miracle in compression technique technology to get the 6-8GB textures required in shadow of mordor (and probably every single xbox one and PS4 port from now on) to fit into 4GB of (usable) VRAM!
It's these practices and the silence on this on going issue (and every other issue for that matter) that have lost my respect and thus my custom for Nvidia.
The constant milking and chicken feeding of upgrades and no support or acknowledgement!
Notice how DSR doesn't support 3D 720p 60 HZ for gaming with 3DTV Play? It only supports 24hz!
Why even bother? it's not like we can play a 3D bluray anyway never mind downscale it and 3D gaming at 24hz is pointless aswell!
Alien isolation looked amazing with DSR, No aliasing problems at all but....24hz!
Another deliberate crippling of their hardware through software!
The way it's meant to be played! The irony!
I find it disgusting to be frank!
They must have these amazing engineers who develop this awesome tech then a team of cripplers that are there to disable features and the likes to milk it for all it's worth!
I know they have a business to run but sometimes you have to break protocol in extenuating circumstances or give something back!
THIS IS NOT HOW YOU KEEP CUSTOMERS NVIDIA, THIS IS HOW YOU LOSE THEM!
Would it kill you to give us an update or just a bit of transparency on this 3D bluray issue?
I've been buying Nvidia GFX cards for over 10 years and spent £1000's but I'm done now, out of principle as well as necessity!
Don't forget that you can't use the 6 month old working 3D drivers for the new 980 and 970 GTX's GFX cards!
You have to use later drivers at a bare minimum that don't work with 3D bluray!
That's the 2x 980 GTX's crossed off my Christmas list!
Im looking at the new AMD 290X 8GB. At least they work with 3D bluray and have a 512 bit memory bus.
I bet Nvidia will soon release an 8GB 980 GTX with the same crippled 256 bus making the extra 4GB memory useless!
How hard is it to put a 512 bit bus on a GFX card when AMD have been for years?
They'll never get the VRAM speed clocked fast enough to compensate and it'll be a God sent miracle in compression technique technology to get the 6-8GB textures required in shadow of mordor (and probably every single xbox one and PS4 port from now on) to fit into 4GB of (usable) VRAM!
It's these practices and the silence on this on going issue (and every other issue for that matter) that have lost my respect and thus my custom for Nvidia.
The constant milking and chicken feeding of upgrades and no support or acknowledgement!
Notice how DSR doesn't support 3D 720p 60 HZ for gaming with 3DTV Play? It only supports 24hz!
Why even bother? it's not like we can play a 3D bluray anyway never mind downscale it and 3D gaming at 24hz is pointless aswell!
Alien isolation looked amazing with DSR, No aliasing problems at all but....24hz!
Another deliberate crippling of their hardware through software!
The way it's meant to be played! The irony!
I find it disgusting to be frank!
They must have these amazing engineers who develop this awesome tech then a team of cripplers that are there to disable features and the likes to milk it for all it's worth!
I know they have a business to run but sometimes you have to break protocol in extenuating circumstances or give something back!
THIS IS NOT HOW YOU KEEP CUSTOMERS NVIDIA, THIS IS HOW YOU LOSE THEM!
Would it kill you to give us an update or just a bit of transparency on this 3D bluray issue?
I've been buying Nvidia GFX cards for over 10 years and spent £1000's but I'm done now, out of principle as well as necessity!
Guys, just a note here. You are preaching to the choir. Everyone on this forum knows all about NVidia and their clumsiness and slowness.
When you say stuff like "this is not how you keep customers Nvidia", it makes me believe that you think they read these forums.
Let's be clear: no one from NVidia ever reads these forums. You aren't speaking to NVidia here. These are user-to-user forums. We get an occasional moderator, but we almost never get anyone else. Nobody who can make decisions reads these forums.
Because of that I'd like to make a modest request if I could? Can we tone down the hate? It's just us normal peeps here, and it makes it more hostile than it needs to be.
Everyone here will pretty much agree that NVidia is dropping the ball. But yelling here isn't going to solve anything or get any attention from NVidia.
Guys, just a note here. You are preaching to the choir. Everyone on this forum knows all about NVidia and their clumsiness and slowness.
When you say stuff like "this is not how you keep customers Nvidia", it makes me believe that you think they read these forums.
Let's be clear: no one from NVidia ever reads these forums. You aren't speaking to NVidia here. These are user-to-user forums. We get an occasional moderator, but we almost never get anyone else. Nobody who can make decisions reads these forums.
Because of that I'd like to make a modest request if I could? Can we tone down the hate? It's just us normal peeps here, and it makes it more hostile than it needs to be.
Everyone here will pretty much agree that NVidia is dropping the ball. But yelling here isn't going to solve anything or get any attention from NVidia.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
There's no hate in my posts, just observations and frustrations.
If nvidia employees are going to read any forums it's this one, and if they aren't they should be!
How many billions have they just made this quarter and they can't even get their products to work properly!
There is no UK phone number for nvidia, I've written bug reports pm'd mods on here, tested equipment and software/drivers for days on end! I've even signed up to Twitter especially to contact them to no avail!
I don't even know what Twitter is for, it sounds like the digital equivalent of writing on a toilet wall, but still nada!
People are angry Bob and rightly so. I respect what you do for the 3D community and these forums, you are obviously clued up and respected and for good reason, but I don't think you're right on this one.
There is no where else to get these issues and points across so this is where it must be!
It's been 6 months and if me writing in capitals offends people that's not my intention.
This is where people can come to share knowledge or problems and this is one problem that people need to know about.
You can't charge people £100's of pounds for products that aren't fit for purpose and fob them off for over 6 months without getting a backlash!
There's no hate in my posts, just observations and frustrations.
If nvidia employees are going to read any forums it's this one, and if they aren't they should be!
How many billions have they just made this quarter and they can't even get their products to work properly!
There is no UK phone number for nvidia, I've written bug reports pm'd mods on here, tested equipment and software/drivers for days on end! I've even signed up to Twitter especially to contact them to no avail!
I don't even know what Twitter is for, it sounds like the digital equivalent of writing on a toilet wall, but still nada!
People are angry Bob and rightly so. I respect what you do for the 3D community and these forums, you are obviously clued up and respected and for good reason, but I don't think you're right on this one.
There is no where else to get these issues and points across so this is where it must be!
It's been 6 months and if me writing in capitals offends people that's not my intention.
This is where people can come to share knowledge or problems and this is one problem that people need to know about.
You can't charge people £100's of pounds for products that aren't fit for purpose and fob them off for over 6 months without getting a backlash!
This is just the fact of corporations today. I don't know of ANY corporation that actually listens to their customers today. And certainly the lawyers have poisoned the pool by requiring that no employees be able to engage the customers because they are "not authorized to speak for the company." So what you get is no way for them to respond, so why bother reading it in the first place?
I live in Silicon Valley, and have worked at a bunch of corporations (like 5) very much like NVidia. There isn't any accountability in corporations today. You can screw up endlessly and not get fired. If you get a lot done, you don't get rewarded. That's why it's slow going for any progress. No reward, no penalty.
All cookie cutter corporations, copying the same internal procedures that every other company out here uses. I would routinely break the 'rules' and talk to customers and was never penalized, and never rewarded. But it was a personal belief in doing the right thing, and that is pretty rare. All the people I worked with were nice, but basically useless. Hence, very slow progress.
Don't get me wrong, I often get frustrated too. Your concerns are legitimate.
I just know for a fact that no NVidia employees follow these forums.
You can yell all you want, but there isn't anyone from NVidia here. That's not going to change.
This is just the fact of corporations today. I don't know of ANY corporation that actually listens to their customers today. And certainly the lawyers have poisoned the pool by requiring that no employees be able to engage the customers because they are "not authorized to speak for the company." So what you get is no way for them to respond, so why bother reading it in the first place?
I live in Silicon Valley, and have worked at a bunch of corporations (like 5) very much like NVidia. There isn't any accountability in corporations today. You can screw up endlessly and not get fired. If you get a lot done, you don't get rewarded. That's why it's slow going for any progress. No reward, no penalty.
All cookie cutter corporations, copying the same internal procedures that every other company out here uses. I would routinely break the 'rules' and talk to customers and was never penalized, and never rewarded. But it was a personal belief in doing the right thing, and that is pretty rare. All the people I worked with were nice, but basically useless. Hence, very slow progress.
Don't get me wrong, I often get frustrated too. Your concerns are legitimate.
I just know for a fact that no NVidia employees follow these forums.
You can yell all you want, but there isn't anyone from NVidia here. That's not going to change.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
I'm done with Nvidia anyway now, I Wont be making my points as often from now on. I started this thread to find out what's going on and get some info. I've noticed it has now been linked to at various sites including cyberlinks forums and their moderators asking for info about the problem and the thread so this thread is also serving another purpose too.
I rant on a bit because: A) it makes me feel better. Like a therapy session if you like and
B) other people get to see why their nvidia products aren't working right or as advertised.
I guess it must be different in the USA but in Europe companies don't ignore their customers. It really is important in my book.
I guess that 's why Call Of Duty Ghosts died on PC. No-one ever addressed issues on the forums or took on board the community's ideas or suggestions.
Dice with BF4 on the other hand had a shaky start but responded well to community suggestions, feedback and ideas and their company rep and game has improved because of it. They even posted about why they aren't supporting 3D, it's not what the community wanted to hear but honesty and transparency goes a long way.
I used to write music for xbox and PC games and know how these game developers work. They'll be reading these forums alright. They probably also have stealth staff on damage minimisation too! As they don't communicate with their customers at all its just another nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
What makes you so sure they never look at the forums? Why ask for driver feedback if they aren't going to read it?
I'm done with Nvidia anyway now, I Wont be making my points as often from now on. I started this thread to find out what's going on and get some info. I've noticed it has now been linked to at various sites including cyberlinks forums and their moderators asking for info about the problem and the thread so this thread is also serving another purpose too.
I rant on a bit because: A) it makes me feel better. Like a therapy session if you like and
B) other people get to see why their nvidia products aren't working right or as advertised.
I guess it must be different in the USA but in Europe companies don't ignore their customers. It really is important in my book.
I guess that 's why Call Of Duty Ghosts died on PC. No-one ever addressed issues on the forums or took on board the community's ideas or suggestions.
Dice with BF4 on the other hand had a shaky start but responded well to community suggestions, feedback and ideas and their company rep and game has improved because of it. They even posted about why they aren't supporting 3D, it's not what the community wanted to hear but honesty and transparency goes a long way.
I used to write music for xbox and PC games and know how these game developers work. They'll be reading these forums alright. They probably also have stealth staff on damage minimisation too! As they don't communicate with their customers at all its just another nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
What makes you so sure they never look at the forums? Why ask for driver feedback if they aren't going to read it?
We already reported the issues several times to the nvidia using the report issue form, this is not why we are here, we are here to report our troubles to others and to offer temporary solutions to OTHER users and get the solutions from them. If I didn't get community feedback I wouldnt even know others are having same issue, I could just think that my hardware is faulty. And besides this "we don't care about our customers" policy SHOULD be countered by angry community and people should be aware about it. This is the sole purpose of these forums, thos any good company would actualy READ THIS and work on improvment, not just trying to sell cat in the bag. It's gonna backfire, atm they have no competition but AMD, but that will change soon or later.
We already reported the issues several times to the nvidia using the report issue form, this is not why we are here, we are here to report our troubles to others and to offer temporary solutions to OTHER users and get the solutions from them. If I didn't get community feedback I wouldnt even know others are having same issue, I could just think that my hardware is faulty. And besides this "we don't care about our customers" policy SHOULD be countered by angry community and people should be aware about it. This is the sole purpose of these forums, thos any good company would actualy READ THIS and work on improvment, not just trying to sell cat in the bag. It's gonna backfire, atm they have no competition but AMD, but that will change soon or later.
[quote="bo3b"]
Let's be clear: no one from NVidia ever reads these forums. You aren't speaking to NVidia here. These are user-to-user forums. We get an occasional moderator, but we almost never get anyone else. Nobody who can make decisions reads these forums.[/quote]
I just wrote here "NVIDIA BUG SUBMISSIONS"
http://nvidia-submit.custhelp.com/app/answers/list
prolly useless but it worth a try...
bo3b said:
Let's be clear: no one from NVidia ever reads these forums. You aren't speaking to NVidia here. These are user-to-user forums. We get an occasional moderator, but we almost never get anyone else. Nobody who can make decisions reads these forums.
I experienced the same/similar issues and I can say, it's not only the newer drivers, it's a combination of GPU and driver:
OS: Windows Server 2012 R2 (all updates) should be the same as Win 8.1 driver-wise (afaik)
GPU old: ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5
GPU new: MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4G, 4096 MB GDDR5
TV (only connected Display): LG 55LM960V (connected with DVI to HDMI cable) 1080p and passive 3D
3D-Player: Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra 14.0.4412.58 (latest, but also earlier 14.x versions tested)
First noticeable "issue":
up until GeForce Driver 340.52 (last non-"Game Ready") choosing "Custom (avanced)" during installation, I was able to select and install both "3D Vision Controller Driver" and "3D Vision Driver" aside from the other options.
All WHQL "Game Ready" Drivers (344.11, 344.16, 344.48, 344.60 and 344.65 (came today)) do NOT automatically offer me the option "3D Vision Driver" during install, only "3D Vision Controller Driver". This is not the case on my Windows 8.1 machine with a GTX 580, so I guess it's a Windows Server 2012 R2 related issue. But if I unpack the Installer exe (which I always do anyway) and browse to the subfolder "NV3DVision" I can install it manually with the contained "3DVision.exe" and the 3D options in the NVIDIA Control Panel appear.
Verdict:
with the GTX460 everything works with ALL driver versions (currently 344.65) after 3DTV Play activation and above mentioned workaround for 3D Vision in Server 2012. 1080p@24Hz sends 3D via "frame packing" to my TV resulting in perfect 3D experience.
with the GTX970 I can only use the "Game Ready" Drivers starting with 344.11 (also tested 344.65 today). After installing 3D Vision, activating 3DTV Play and choosing 1080p 24Hz (same with the 23Hz that's set automatically by PowerDVD) the issues described in the first post appear: headaching 3D, especially on fast moving scenes: unusable. But even without PowerDVD, when I even move a simple Window on the Desktop, it smears and flickers awfully. Or when you scroll a webpage you can't read anything until you stop for a while. This is absolutely NOT the case with the GTX460 in the 3D Mode.
I was thinking it was a Windows Server 2012 R2 issue (what would maybe be acceptable, since it's not meant for this initially) until I found this post (thanks for that). So if we look at: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html this is simply a LIE from NVIDIA that GTX970 amongst others is capable of 3DTV-play.
Do you think I can make a bug report out of the above, since it's a bit hard to explain and they will shut me down instantly by telling, that Windows Server OS is not supported or something?
I experienced the same/similar issues and I can say, it's not only the newer drivers, it's a combination of GPU and driver:
OS: Windows Server 2012 R2 (all updates) should be the same as Win 8.1 driver-wise (afaik)
GPU old: ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5
GPU new: MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4G, 4096 MB GDDR5
TV (only connected Display): LG 55LM960V (connected with DVI to HDMI cable) 1080p and passive 3D
3D-Player: Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra 14.0.4412.58 (latest, but also earlier 14.x versions tested)
First noticeable "issue":
up until GeForce Driver 340.52 (last non-"Game Ready") choosing "Custom (avanced)" during installation, I was able to select and install both "3D Vision Controller Driver" and "3D Vision Driver" aside from the other options.
All WHQL "Game Ready" Drivers (344.11, 344.16, 344.48, 344.60 and 344.65 (came today)) do NOT automatically offer me the option "3D Vision Driver" during install, only "3D Vision Controller Driver". This is not the case on my Windows 8.1 machine with a GTX 580, so I guess it's a Windows Server 2012 R2 related issue. But if I unpack the Installer exe (which I always do anyway) and browse to the subfolder "NV3DVision" I can install it manually with the contained "3DVision.exe" and the 3D options in the NVIDIA Control Panel appear.
Verdict:
with the GTX460 everything works with ALL driver versions (currently 344.65) after 3DTV Play activation and above mentioned workaround for 3D Vision in Server 2012. 1080p@24Hz sends 3D via "frame packing" to my TV resulting in perfect 3D experience.
with the GTX970 I can only use the "Game Ready" Drivers starting with 344.11 (also tested 344.65 today). After installing 3D Vision, activating 3DTV Play and choosing 1080p 24Hz (same with the 23Hz that's set automatically by PowerDVD) the issues described in the first post appear: headaching 3D, especially on fast moving scenes: unusable. But even without PowerDVD, when I even move a simple Window on the Desktop, it smears and flickers awfully. Or when you scroll a webpage you can't read anything until you stop for a while. This is absolutely NOT the case with the GTX460 in the 3D Mode.
I was thinking it was a Windows Server 2012 R2 issue (what would maybe be acceptable, since it's not meant for this initially) until I found this post (thanks for that). So if we look at: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html this is simply a LIE from NVIDIA that GTX970 amongst others is capable of 3DTV-play.
Do you think I can make a bug report out of the above, since it's a bit hard to explain and they will shut me down instantly by telling, that Windows Server OS is not supported or something?
I'm tired of that , and ofc it didn't fix it, they release drivers for every new game that come, instead of actualy fixing stuff that have been draging for months.... shame, and ridiculus.
I'm tired of that , and ofc it didn't fix it, they release drivers for every new game that come, instead of actualy fixing stuff that have been draging for months.... shame, and ridiculus.
Edit: new driver (344.60) just got released, but the issue hasn't been fixed... I guess better luck next time :S
How hard can it be when it was working before?
Bet we've got a month wait for the next driver too.
Inept springs to mind.
I'm regretting the upgrade from my lovely radeon.
win 8.1 x64
MSI 970 Gaming driver 344.60
3DTV: Panasonic 55VT60
PowerDVD14: 3D flickers/blinking
TotalMedia: 3D flickers/blinking
WinDVD11: 3D is perfect... but unfortunatly the player is full other issues...
Please don't understimate this issue.. is important, we don't fkin care about call of duty improvement!!
i'm really sorry for being rude but i'm a bit pissed off.
You have to use later drivers at a bare minimum that don't work with 3D bluray!
That's the 2x 980 GTX's crossed off my Christmas list!
Im looking at the new AMD 290X 8GB. At least they work with 3D bluray and have a 512 bit memory bus.
I bet Nvidia will soon release an 8GB 980 GTX with the same crippled 256 bus making the extra 4GB memory useless!
How hard is it to put a 512 bit bus on a GFX card when AMD have been for years?
They'll never get the VRAM speed clocked fast enough to compensate and it'll be a God sent miracle in compression technique technology to get the 6-8GB textures required in shadow of mordor (and probably every single xbox one and PS4 port from now on) to fit into 4GB of (usable) VRAM!
It's these practices and the silence on this on going issue (and every other issue for that matter) that have lost my respect and thus my custom for Nvidia.
The constant milking and chicken feeding of upgrades and no support or acknowledgement!
Notice how DSR doesn't support 3D 720p 60 HZ for gaming with 3DTV Play? It only supports 24hz!
Why even bother? it's not like we can play a 3D bluray anyway never mind downscale it and 3D gaming at 24hz is pointless aswell!
Alien isolation looked amazing with DSR, No aliasing problems at all but....24hz!
Another deliberate crippling of their hardware through software!
The way it's meant to be played! The irony!
I find it disgusting to be frank!
They must have these amazing engineers who develop this awesome tech then a team of cripplers that are there to disable features and the likes to milk it for all it's worth!
I know they have a business to run but sometimes you have to break protocol in extenuating circumstances or give something back!
THIS IS NOT HOW YOU KEEP CUSTOMERS NVIDIA, THIS IS HOW YOU LOSE THEM!
Would it kill you to give us an update or just a bit of transparency on this 3D bluray issue?
I've been buying Nvidia GFX cards for over 10 years and spent £1000's but I'm done now, out of principle as well as necessity!
When you say stuff like "this is not how you keep customers Nvidia", it makes me believe that you think they read these forums.
Let's be clear: no one from NVidia ever reads these forums. You aren't speaking to NVidia here. These are user-to-user forums. We get an occasional moderator, but we almost never get anyone else. Nobody who can make decisions reads these forums.
Because of that I'd like to make a modest request if I could? Can we tone down the hate? It's just us normal peeps here, and it makes it more hostile than it needs to be.
Everyone here will pretty much agree that NVidia is dropping the ball. But yelling here isn't going to solve anything or get any attention from NVidia.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
If nvidia employees are going to read any forums it's this one, and if they aren't they should be!
How many billions have they just made this quarter and they can't even get their products to work properly!
There is no UK phone number for nvidia, I've written bug reports pm'd mods on here, tested equipment and software/drivers for days on end! I've even signed up to Twitter especially to contact them to no avail!
I don't even know what Twitter is for, it sounds like the digital equivalent of writing on a toilet wall, but still nada!
People are angry Bob and rightly so. I respect what you do for the 3D community and these forums, you are obviously clued up and respected and for good reason, but I don't think you're right on this one.
There is no where else to get these issues and points across so this is where it must be!
It's been 6 months and if me writing in capitals offends people that's not my intention.
This is where people can come to share knowledge or problems and this is one problem that people need to know about.
You can't charge people £100's of pounds for products that aren't fit for purpose and fob them off for over 6 months without getting a backlash!
I live in Silicon Valley, and have worked at a bunch of corporations (like 5) very much like NVidia. There isn't any accountability in corporations today. You can screw up endlessly and not get fired. If you get a lot done, you don't get rewarded. That's why it's slow going for any progress. No reward, no penalty.
All cookie cutter corporations, copying the same internal procedures that every other company out here uses. I would routinely break the 'rules' and talk to customers and was never penalized, and never rewarded. But it was a personal belief in doing the right thing, and that is pretty rare. All the people I worked with were nice, but basically useless. Hence, very slow progress.
Don't get me wrong, I often get frustrated too. Your concerns are legitimate.
I just know for a fact that no NVidia employees follow these forums.
You can yell all you want, but there isn't anyone from NVidia here. That's not going to change.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
I rant on a bit because: A) it makes me feel better. Like a therapy session if you like and
B) other people get to see why their nvidia products aren't working right or as advertised.
I guess it must be different in the USA but in Europe companies don't ignore their customers. It really is important in my book.
I guess that 's why Call Of Duty Ghosts died on PC. No-one ever addressed issues on the forums or took on board the community's ideas or suggestions.
Dice with BF4 on the other hand had a shaky start but responded well to community suggestions, feedback and ideas and their company rep and game has improved because of it. They even posted about why they aren't supporting 3D, it's not what the community wanted to hear but honesty and transparency goes a long way.
I used to write music for xbox and PC games and know how these game developers work. They'll be reading these forums alright. They probably also have stealth staff on damage minimisation too! As they don't communicate with their customers at all its just another nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
What makes you so sure they never look at the forums? Why ask for driver feedback if they aren't going to read it?
I just wrote here "NVIDIA BUG SUBMISSIONS"
http://nvidia-submit.custhelp.com/app/answers/list
prolly useless but it worth a try...
Anybody tried? I doubt anything changed but ill try asap.
OS: Windows Server 2012 R2 (all updates) should be the same as Win 8.1 driver-wise (afaik)
GPU old: ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5
GPU new: MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4G, 4096 MB GDDR5
TV (only connected Display): LG 55LM960V (connected with DVI to HDMI cable) 1080p and passive 3D
3D-Player: Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra 14.0.4412.58 (latest, but also earlier 14.x versions tested)
First noticeable "issue":
up until GeForce Driver 340.52 (last non-"Game Ready") choosing "Custom (avanced)" during installation, I was able to select and install both "3D Vision Controller Driver" and "3D Vision Driver" aside from the other options.
All WHQL "Game Ready" Drivers (344.11, 344.16, 344.48, 344.60 and 344.65 (came today)) do NOT automatically offer me the option "3D Vision Driver" during install, only "3D Vision Controller Driver". This is not the case on my Windows 8.1 machine with a GTX 580, so I guess it's a Windows Server 2012 R2 related issue. But if I unpack the Installer exe (which I always do anyway) and browse to the subfolder "NV3DVision" I can install it manually with the contained "3DVision.exe" and the 3D options in the NVIDIA Control Panel appear.
Verdict:
with the GTX460 everything works with ALL driver versions (currently 344.65) after 3DTV Play activation and above mentioned workaround for 3D Vision in Server 2012. 1080p@24Hz sends 3D via "frame packing" to my TV resulting in perfect 3D experience.
with the GTX970 I can only use the "Game Ready" Drivers starting with 344.11 (also tested 344.65 today). After installing 3D Vision, activating 3DTV Play and choosing 1080p 24Hz (same with the 23Hz that's set automatically by PowerDVD) the issues described in the first post appear: headaching 3D, especially on fast moving scenes: unusable. But even without PowerDVD, when I even move a simple Window on the Desktop, it smears and flickers awfully. Or when you scroll a webpage you can't read anything until you stop for a while. This is absolutely NOT the case with the GTX460 in the 3D Mode.
I was thinking it was a Windows Server 2012 R2 issue (what would maybe be acceptable, since it's not meant for this initially) until I found this post (thanks for that). So if we look at: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html this is simply a LIE from NVIDIA that GTX970 amongst others is capable of 3DTV-play.
Do you think I can make a bug report out of the above, since it's a bit hard to explain and they will shut me down instantly by telling, that Windows Server OS is not supported or something?
I have also file a bug report at nvidia and got a response that they are working on it. Let's hope for the best