How to not kill a standard
I'm a proud owner of a 65" Mitsubishi DLP, a med-high end gaming rig, and 3D vision glasses. I'm probably biased for it since getting all of this was no easy task on $8 per hour so of course I'm sticking with Nvidia. I get on newegg one day and see this [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882676174&cm_re=3d%2d%5f%2d82-676-174%2d%5f%2dProduct"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...6-174-_-Product[/url] sorry if I don't know how to hyperlink. Now I want to know something now, is that samsung 3d kit and nvidia's 3d kit all interchangeable?

hopefully I have you thinking the same thing I am, If they are different standards then if theres 2 now, how many more separate standards will we see in the future? Before you know it, when you purchase a new TV you might have to get a whole different 3D kit just to experience 3D again. Why do manufacturers do that? Theres a perfectly fine standard to adopt and they just have to go their own way. I don't know if this is feasible but would it be possible for TV manufacturers and Nvidia to cooperate entirely and have emitters pre-installed into the TV right from the start? I think thats a great idea, lower the amount of cables strung out across my floor and less things to worry about losing. The 3D glasses themselves would be the only thing to worry about getting lost or broken.


heh i could be daydreaming now but how about cool looking sunglasses that I can take to work with me that double off as 3D glasses ready to go as soon as I come back home :D

i'm just throwing that out there, I really don't want a future with a whole bunch of different standards.
I'm a proud owner of a 65" Mitsubishi DLP, a med-high end gaming rig, and 3D vision glasses. I'm probably biased for it since getting all of this was no easy task on $8 per hour so of course I'm sticking with Nvidia. I get on newegg one day and see this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...6-174-_-Product sorry if I don't know how to hyperlink. Now I want to know something now, is that samsung 3d kit and nvidia's 3d kit all interchangeable?



hopefully I have you thinking the same thing I am, If they are different standards then if theres 2 now, how many more separate standards will we see in the future? Before you know it, when you purchase a new TV you might have to get a whole different 3D kit just to experience 3D again. Why do manufacturers do that? Theres a perfectly fine standard to adopt and they just have to go their own way. I don't know if this is feasible but would it be possible for TV manufacturers and Nvidia to cooperate entirely and have emitters pre-installed into the TV right from the start? I think thats a great idea, lower the amount of cables strung out across my floor and less things to worry about losing. The 3D glasses themselves would be the only thing to worry about getting lost or broken.





heh i could be daydreaming now but how about cool looking sunglasses that I can take to work with me that double off as 3D glasses ready to go as soon as I come back home :D



i'm just throwing that out there, I really don't want a future with a whole bunch of different standards.

#1
Posted 06/18/2010 02:43 AM   
Every 3D TV that has come out has their own standard for glasses (Sony/Samsung/Panasonic/etc.) Xpand is about to release their X103 universal glasses though.
Every 3D TV that has come out has their own standard for glasses (Sony/Samsung/Panasonic/etc.) Xpand is about to release their X103 universal glasses though.

#2
Posted 06/18/2010 03:39 AM   
Well, in the words of Andrew Tanenbaum;

"The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from."
Well, in the words of Andrew Tanenbaum;



"The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from."

#3
Posted 06/18/2010 05:00 AM   
Unfortunately there is no standard which is why we're in this situation to begin with. There's at least half a dozen different 3D formats and technologies jockeying for adoption right now and every manufacturer is pushing their own take on it. As for why, its pretty simple, comes down to money and tie-ins. TV makers want to make sure people buying their TVs are using their glasses, so they put some minor difference or proprietary aspect to try and lock people in to their hardware. They're selling you glasses that probably cost them $10 each in pairs for $350. Similarly, Nvidia is selling you a bundle that costs them maybe $50 max for $200. The big difference from Nvidia's bundle is that it comes with significant software development and support behind it that allows you to play hundreds of PC games in 3D. HDTV makers get you 2-3 3D channels and Monsters vs. Aliens in Blu-Ray.

Then you also have the various connection/bandwidth/signaling issues because HDMI is the standard in the HT/HDTV space while DL-DVI is the standard in the PC/LCD monitor space. So for PC users like us, that creates further incompatibility between these 3D Ready sets and our 3D Vision hardware. There is some hope however for those who want to use 3D Ready HDTVs for PC content however, with Nvidia's announced 3DTV Play software and graphics cards that support HDMI 1.4 frame packing (GTX 400 series for sure) you should be able to play PC games in 3D on the new wave of 3D Ready HDTVs, the catch being you have to use their eyeglass hardware and will be limited to 720p for 60FPS per eye gaming.
Unfortunately there is no standard which is why we're in this situation to begin with. There's at least half a dozen different 3D formats and technologies jockeying for adoption right now and every manufacturer is pushing their own take on it. As for why, its pretty simple, comes down to money and tie-ins. TV makers want to make sure people buying their TVs are using their glasses, so they put some minor difference or proprietary aspect to try and lock people in to their hardware. They're selling you glasses that probably cost them $10 each in pairs for $350. Similarly, Nvidia is selling you a bundle that costs them maybe $50 max for $200. The big difference from Nvidia's bundle is that it comes with significant software development and support behind it that allows you to play hundreds of PC games in 3D. HDTV makers get you 2-3 3D channels and Monsters vs. Aliens in Blu-Ray.



Then you also have the various connection/bandwidth/signaling issues because HDMI is the standard in the HT/HDTV space while DL-DVI is the standard in the PC/LCD monitor space. So for PC users like us, that creates further incompatibility between these 3D Ready sets and our 3D Vision hardware. There is some hope however for those who want to use 3D Ready HDTVs for PC content however, with Nvidia's announced 3DTV Play software and graphics cards that support HDMI 1.4 frame packing (GTX 400 series for sure) you should be able to play PC games in 3D on the new wave of 3D Ready HDTVs, the catch being you have to use their eyeglass hardware and will be limited to 720p for 60FPS per eye gaming.

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#4
Posted 06/18/2010 06:44 AM   
[quote name='chiz' post='1075341' date='Jun 18 2010, 07:44 AM']Unfortunately there is no standard which is why we're in this situation to begin with. There's at least half a dozen different 3D formats and technologies jockeying for adoption right now and every manufacturer is pushing their own take on it. As for why, its pretty simple, comes down to money and tie-ins. TV makers want to make sure people buying their TVs are using their glasses, so they put some minor difference or proprietary aspect to try and lock people in to their hardware. They're selling you glasses that probably cost them $10 each in pairs for $350. Similarly, Nvidia is selling you a bundle that costs them maybe $50 max for $200. The big difference from Nvidia's bundle is that it comes with significant software development and support behind it that allows you to play hundreds of PC games in 3D. HDTV makers get you 2-3 3D channels and Monsters vs. Aliens in Blu-Ray.

Then you also have the various connection/bandwidth/signaling issues because HDMI is the standard in the HT/HDTV space while DL-DVI is the standard in the PC/LCD monitor space. So for PC users like us, that creates further incompatibility between these 3D Ready sets and our 3D Vision hardware. There is some hope however for those who want to use 3D Ready HDTVs for PC content however, with Nvidia's announced 3DTV Play software and graphics cards that support HDMI 1.4 frame packing (GTX 400 series for sure) you should be able to play PC games in 3D on the new wave of 3D Ready HDTVs, the catch being you have to use their eyeglass hardware and will be limited to 720p for 60FPS per eye gaming.[/quote]


Even the cinema has 3 main competing formats, avatar could be seen in 3 types of 3d.

On the PC nvidia wins. TV wise and broadcast 3d tv and 3d film media has pretty much all the Tv makers coming up with the same tech as there own format. So some 3d br's may not work as well or at all on some 3d tv's. it's insane.

All the tv's do a fake 2d-3d so you can still enjoy 2.5d. but if buying a TV for 3d and PC gaming you need to ensure it works with N2d for your PC. And it's best to wait for tv stations to back a 3d format for TV 3d really. Don;t be surprised if the TV station sell there own glasses and ready tv's soon from only particular brands.
[quote name='chiz' post='1075341' date='Jun 18 2010, 07:44 AM']Unfortunately there is no standard which is why we're in this situation to begin with. There's at least half a dozen different 3D formats and technologies jockeying for adoption right now and every manufacturer is pushing their own take on it. As for why, its pretty simple, comes down to money and tie-ins. TV makers want to make sure people buying their TVs are using their glasses, so they put some minor difference or proprietary aspect to try and lock people in to their hardware. They're selling you glasses that probably cost them $10 each in pairs for $350. Similarly, Nvidia is selling you a bundle that costs them maybe $50 max for $200. The big difference from Nvidia's bundle is that it comes with significant software development and support behind it that allows you to play hundreds of PC games in 3D. HDTV makers get you 2-3 3D channels and Monsters vs. Aliens in Blu-Ray.



Then you also have the various connection/bandwidth/signaling issues because HDMI is the standard in the HT/HDTV space while DL-DVI is the standard in the PC/LCD monitor space. So for PC users like us, that creates further incompatibility between these 3D Ready sets and our 3D Vision hardware. There is some hope however for those who want to use 3D Ready HDTVs for PC content however, with Nvidia's announced 3DTV Play software and graphics cards that support HDMI 1.4 frame packing (GTX 400 series for sure) you should be able to play PC games in 3D on the new wave of 3D Ready HDTVs, the catch being you have to use their eyeglass hardware and will be limited to 720p for 60FPS per eye gaming.





Even the cinema has 3 main competing formats, avatar could be seen in 3 types of 3d.



On the PC nvidia wins. TV wise and broadcast 3d tv and 3d film media has pretty much all the Tv makers coming up with the same tech as there own format. So some 3d br's may not work as well or at all on some 3d tv's. it's insane.



All the tv's do a fake 2d-3d so you can still enjoy 2.5d. but if buying a TV for 3d and PC gaming you need to ensure it works with N2d for your PC. And it's best to wait for tv stations to back a 3d format for TV 3d really. Don;t be surprised if the TV station sell there own glasses and ready tv's soon from only particular brands.

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#5
Posted 06/18/2010 06:49 AM   
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