The ghosting on the AW2310 is really starting to piss me off... I'm wondering if the Acer is significantly better in this respect? Or only marginally? Trying to decide whether to get the Acer and sell the AW2310.....
The ghosting on the AW2310 is really starting to piss me off... I'm wondering if the Acer is significantly better in this respect? Or only marginally? Trying to decide whether to get the Acer and sell the AW2310.....
Never actualy seen the acer first hand as i own the alienware my self but from what ive seen on the web is its only marginal, and from all the complaints it gets due to its 2d preforamnce i think it may be worth avoiding.
Although saying that there are ways to improve the ghosting and 2d preforamnce if u look around the web.
Never actualy seen the acer first hand as i own the alienware my self but from what ive seen on the web is its only marginal, and from all the complaints it gets due to its 2d preforamnce i think it may be worth avoiding.
Although saying that there are ways to improve the ghosting and 2d preforamnce if u look around the web.
I have the Alienware myself and since the new nvidia 257 drivers have come out my ghosting has dramatically reduced, seriously ghosting is not even noticeable and that's even when I'm looking for ghosting.
However the monitor is amazing, great LCD, great build quality, does everything it says on the box perfectly. No problems with it so far. :)
The fancy sensor buttons are quality. Small things which make a huge difference.
For the people who are having ghosting problems with this monitor, are you using the standard dual-DVI that came with the monitor?
If you are using the standard cable then that may be your problem, I'm using a Pure AV Dual-DVI which is gold plated, made from oxygen free copper and shielded. This could be reducing my ghosting. Used this cable from start so I'm not sure if it made any difference.
I have the Alienware myself and since the new nvidia 257 drivers have come out my ghosting has dramatically reduced, seriously ghosting is not even noticeable and that's even when I'm looking for ghosting.
However the monitor is amazing, great LCD, great build quality, does everything it says on the box perfectly. No problems with it so far. :)
The fancy sensor buttons are quality. Small things which make a huge difference.
For the people who are having ghosting problems with this monitor, are you using the standard dual-DVI that came with the monitor?
If you are using the standard cable then that may be your problem, I'm using a Pure AV Dual-DVI which is gold plated, made from oxygen free copper and shielded. This could be reducing my ghosting. Used this cable from start so I'm not sure if it made any difference.
[quote name='XxDeadlyxX' post='1074426' date='Jun 16 2010, 03:17 PM']The ghosting on the AW2310 is really starting to piss me off... I'm wondering if the Acer is significantly better in this respect? Or only marginally? Trying to decide whether to get the Acer and sell the AW2310.....[/quote]
There's a thread somewhere about changing the settings.
Someone said to use Game Mode, have contrast set to 44, and overdrive should be turned on to minimize ghosting.
I love my AW2310...in fact I love all 3 of mine playing games in 3D surround with the leaked driver.
[quote name='XxDeadlyxX' post='1074426' date='Jun 16 2010, 03:17 PM']The ghosting on the AW2310 is really starting to piss me off... I'm wondering if the Acer is significantly better in this respect? Or only marginally? Trying to decide whether to get the Acer and sell the AW2310.....
There's a thread somewhere about changing the settings.
Someone said to use Game Mode, have contrast set to 44, and overdrive should be turned on to minimize ghosting.
I love my AW2310...in fact I love all 3 of mine playing games in 3D surround with the leaked driver.
[quote name='XxDeadlyxX' post='1074426' date='Jun 16 2010, 02:17 PM']The ghosting on the AW2310 is really starting to piss me off... I'm wondering if the Acer is significantly better in this respect? Or only marginally? Trying to decide whether to get the Acer and sell the AW2310.....[/quote]
Put it in 'game preset mode'. I have tried both monitors and Ghosting is about the same on both. The Alienware is a better all around monitor. Plus, It is of far superior quality. The Acer felt and looked like a child's plastic toy.
[quote name='XxDeadlyxX' post='1074426' date='Jun 16 2010, 02:17 PM']The ghosting on the AW2310 is really starting to piss me off... I'm wondering if the Acer is significantly better in this respect? Or only marginally? Trying to decide whether to get the Acer and sell the AW2310.....
Put it in 'game preset mode'. I have tried both monitors and Ghosting is about the same on both. The Alienware is a better all around monitor. Plus, It is of far superior quality. The Acer felt and looked like a child's plastic toy.
[quote name='W4J' post='1074589' date='Jun 16 2010, 09:14 PM']If you are using the standard cable then that may be your problem, I'm using a Pure AV Dual-DVI which is gold plated, made from oxygen free copper and shielded. This could be reducing my ghosting. Used this cable from start so I'm not sure if it made any difference.[/quote]
No offense, but this is just silly comment :)
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)
[quote name='W4J' post='1074589' date='Jun 16 2010, 09:14 PM']If you are using the standard cable then that may be your problem, I'm using a Pure AV Dual-DVI which is gold plated, made from oxygen free copper and shielded. This could be reducing my ghosting. Used this cable from start so I'm not sure if it made any difference.
No offense, but this is just silly comment :)
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)
I love this monitor. 2D and 3D are extremly well done. I would reccommend to anyone and buy again. Great great monitor. /sorcerer.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sorcerer:' />
I love this monitor. 2D and 3D are extremly well done. I would reccommend to anyone and buy again. Great great monitor. /sorcerer.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sorcerer:' />
Guys I'm already on Game preset mode, it doesn't seem any better than the other modes....
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it!
Guys I'm already on Game preset mode, it doesn't seem any better than the other modes....
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it!
[quote name='XxDeadlyxX' post='1074768' date='Jun 17 2010, 12:39 AM']Guys I'm already on Game preset mode, it doesn't seem any better than the other modes....
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it![/quote]
The only mode you can turn off Dynamic Contrast in is Game Mode. Go into the menu settings to turn it off. You have to do so in non 3d mode.
[quote name='XxDeadlyxX' post='1074768' date='Jun 17 2010, 12:39 AM']Guys I'm already on Game preset mode, it doesn't seem any better than the other modes....
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it!
The only mode you can turn off Dynamic Contrast in is Game Mode. Go into the menu settings to turn it off. You have to do so in non 3d mode.
[quote name='STOPchris' post='1074771' date='Jun 16 2010, 04:45 PM']The only mode you can turn off Dynamic Contrast in is Game Mode. Go into the menu settings to turn it off. You have to do so in non 3d mode.[/quote]
It's already off!
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.
[quote name='STOPchris' post='1074771' date='Jun 16 2010, 04:45 PM']The only mode you can turn off Dynamic Contrast in is Game Mode. Go into the menu settings to turn it off. You have to do so in non 3d mode.
It's already off!
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.[/quote]
The only mode mine doesn't do that in is Game Mode.
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.
The only mode mine doesn't do that in is Game Mode.
[quote name='Nick7' post='1074688' date='Jun 16 2010, 10:45 PM']No offense, but this is just silly comment :)
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)[/quote]
A high quality fibre optical cable can improve the quality of sound.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
[quote name='Nick7' post='1074688' date='Jun 16 2010, 10:45 PM']No offense, but this is just silly comment :)
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)
A high quality fibre optical cable can improve the quality of sound.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
[quote name='W4J' post='1074797' date='Jun 17 2010, 03:14 AM']A high quality fibre optical cable can improve the quality of sound.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
So my comment is not stupid. :P[/quote]
I know you mean well, but this is not correct for a DVI or HDMI cable.
In the case of DVI or HDMI, it is an electrical signal. The propagation delay variance due to the different materials used in the construction metal will be infinitely small. HDMI/DVI has no error correction, so there is no re-send delay possible. The signal either reaches its destination or it does not. The effects of errors are usually catastrophic and easily visible in the image. So if you want to talk jitter, forget the cable, beacuse HDMI inherently has such higher jitter to start with that the cable is off the chart in irrelevance. It is also worth noting that the difference between cheap and expensive HDMI/DVI cables is the shielding (to limit interference and therefore maximise SNR with respect to the expected attenuation over distance). They haven't started silver coating the outside of the wire strands like speaker cables!
For an optical cable, once again, there is no error correction for normal usage. In cheaper cables there is increased refraction which could result in potential errors, particularly due to attenuation, and just possibly increase jitter. However most of the problems with optical audio are in the laser receivers and senders themselves which introduce jitter.
The reason for ghosting in 3D monitors is 2-fold
1) The glasses are not completely in sync with the frame display of the monitor. For those that see ghosting at the top of the screen but not the bottom, this is the most likely cause. This should be resolvable with driver updates.
2) The monitor is not able to completely transition betweeen the left/right images within the time required and so a "left over" of the other frame is still displayed. This is definitely happening because we know that in the Acer, that overdrive reduces ghosting. Overdrive appears to allow the LCD crystals to change a little faster resulting in a more successful left/right frame transition.
[quote name='W4J' post='1074797' date='Jun 17 2010, 03:14 AM']A high quality fibre optical cable can improve the quality of sound.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
So my comment is not stupid. :P
I know you mean well, but this is not correct for a DVI or HDMI cable.
In the case of DVI or HDMI, it is an electrical signal. The propagation delay variance due to the different materials used in the construction metal will be infinitely small. HDMI/DVI has no error correction, so there is no re-send delay possible. The signal either reaches its destination or it does not. The effects of errors are usually catastrophic and easily visible in the image. So if you want to talk jitter, forget the cable, beacuse HDMI inherently has such higher jitter to start with that the cable is off the chart in irrelevance. It is also worth noting that the difference between cheap and expensive HDMI/DVI cables is the shielding (to limit interference and therefore maximise SNR with respect to the expected attenuation over distance). They haven't started silver coating the outside of the wire strands like speaker cables!
For an optical cable, once again, there is no error correction for normal usage. In cheaper cables there is increased refraction which could result in potential errors, particularly due to attenuation, and just possibly increase jitter. However most of the problems with optical audio are in the laser receivers and senders themselves which introduce jitter.
The reason for ghosting in 3D monitors is 2-fold
1) The glasses are not completely in sync with the frame display of the monitor. For those that see ghosting at the top of the screen but not the bottom, this is the most likely cause. This should be resolvable with driver updates.
2) The monitor is not able to completely transition betweeen the left/right images within the time required and so a "left over" of the other frame is still displayed. This is definitely happening because we know that in the Acer, that overdrive reduces ghosting. Overdrive appears to allow the LCD crystals to change a little faster resulting in a more successful left/right frame transition.
It seems that it's the only one that has 400 brightness, which is very important when the glasses darken it...
It seems that it's the only one that has 400 brightness, which is very important when the glasses darken it...
Alienware has better 2D desktop preformance than the equivlent size Acer 23"
The Alienware has a ajustable stand, acer dose not...
Alieware has got some kewl touch sentatvie buttons :P
In the Acers favor tho is its slighty bigger, and has less 3d ghosting due to its very agrressive overdrive function.
The acer is also cheaper.....
Saying all this, ive kinda lost touch on whats avible atm so there might be bigger and better screens due out soon.
Alienware has better 2D desktop preformance than the equivlent size Acer 23"
The Alienware has a ajustable stand, acer dose not...
Alieware has got some kewl touch sentatvie buttons :P
In the Acers favor tho is its slighty bigger, and has less 3d ghosting due to its very agrressive overdrive function.
The acer is also cheaper.....
Saying all this, ive kinda lost touch on whats avible atm so there might be bigger and better screens due out soon.
Although saying that there are ways to improve the ghosting and 2d preforamnce if u look around the web.
Although saying that there are ways to improve the ghosting and 2d preforamnce if u look around the web.
However the monitor is amazing, great LCD, great build quality, does everything it says on the box perfectly. No problems with it so far. :)
The fancy sensor buttons are quality. Small things which make a huge difference.
For the people who are having ghosting problems with this monitor, are you using the standard dual-DVI that came with the monitor?
If you are using the standard cable then that may be your problem, I'm using a Pure AV Dual-DVI which is gold plated, made from oxygen free copper and shielded. This could be reducing my ghosting. Used this cable from start so I'm not sure if it made any difference.
However the monitor is amazing, great LCD, great build quality, does everything it says on the box perfectly. No problems with it so far. :)
The fancy sensor buttons are quality. Small things which make a huge difference.
For the people who are having ghosting problems with this monitor, are you using the standard dual-DVI that came with the monitor?
If you are using the standard cable then that may be your problem, I'm using a Pure AV Dual-DVI which is gold plated, made from oxygen free copper and shielded. This could be reducing my ghosting. Used this cable from start so I'm not sure if it made any difference.
There's a thread somewhere about changing the settings.
Someone said to use Game Mode, have contrast set to 44, and overdrive should be turned on to minimize ghosting.
I love my AW2310...in fact I love all 3 of mine playing games in 3D surround with the leaked driver.
There's a thread somewhere about changing the settings.
Someone said to use Game Mode, have contrast set to 44, and overdrive should be turned on to minimize ghosting.
I love my AW2310...in fact I love all 3 of mine playing games in 3D surround with the leaked driver.
Put it in 'game preset mode'. I have tried both monitors and Ghosting is about the same on both. The Alienware is a better all around monitor. Plus, It is of far superior quality. The Acer felt and looked like a child's plastic toy.
Put it in 'game preset mode'. I have tried both monitors and Ghosting is about the same on both. The Alienware is a better all around monitor. Plus, It is of far superior quality. The Acer felt and looked like a child's plastic toy.
No offense, but this is just silly comment :)
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)
No offense, but this is just silly comment :)
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)
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PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it!
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it!
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it![/quote]
The only mode you can turn off Dynamic Contrast in is Game Mode. Go into the menu settings to turn it off. You have to do so in non 3d mode.
PLUS there is this stupid dynamic contrast effect when in Game mode - ie. the gamma (or brightness but I think gamma) of the desktop changes when you do something like bring up a black window (ie. Winamp) - it's completely noticeable and annoying! It's a monitor thing and changing Dynamic Contrast setting on the monitor does nothing. It only does this in Game mode and another mode (I think Normal), one of the modes it doesn't do it!
The only mode you can turn off Dynamic Contrast in is Game Mode. Go into the menu settings to turn it off. You have to do so in non 3d mode.
It's already off!
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.
It's already off!
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.[/quote]
The only mode mine doesn't do that in is Game Mode.
I just tested and the only modes which DON'T do what I'm describing are Standard and Custom RGB modes. Multimedia and Game both have this changing gamma/brightness effect depending on what's on the screen (it seems to be worst when there is all of a sudden something black taking up a lot of the screen, and the whole screen brightens up!).
What I'm describing maybe it isn't Dynamic Contrast at all, but something else.... I'm not sure but whatever it is it's stupid.
Oh forgot to mention it also happens when in both 2D and 3D mode.
The only mode mine doesn't do that in is Game Mode.
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)[/quote]
A high quality fibre optical cable can improve the quality of sound.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
So my comment is not stupid. :P
DVI is digital signal. So either it works, or not. There might be 'inbetween' situation, but that would cause lots of errors in signal.
Thus, cable itself cannot help with ghosting.
It's similar thing as I once saw an add for optical cable 'that improves quality of sound'. Right.... :)
A high quality fibre optical cable can improve the quality of sound.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
So my comment is not stupid. :P
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
So my comment is not stupid. :P[/quote]
I know you mean well, but this is not correct for a DVI or HDMI cable.
In the case of DVI or HDMI, it is an electrical signal. The propagation delay variance due to the different materials used in the construction metal will be infinitely small. HDMI/DVI has no error correction, so there is no re-send delay possible. The signal either reaches its destination or it does not. The effects of errors are usually catastrophic and easily visible in the image. So if you want to talk jitter, forget the cable, beacuse HDMI inherently has such higher jitter to start with that the cable is off the chart in irrelevance. It is also worth noting that the difference between cheap and expensive HDMI/DVI cables is the shielding (to limit interference and therefore maximise SNR with respect to the expected attenuation over distance). They haven't started silver coating the outside of the wire strands like speaker cables!
For an optical cable, once again, there is no error correction for normal usage. In cheaper cables there is increased refraction which could result in potential errors, particularly due to attenuation, and just possibly increase jitter. However most of the problems with optical audio are in the laser receivers and senders themselves which introduce jitter.
The reason for ghosting in 3D monitors is 2-fold
1) The glasses are not completely in sync with the frame display of the monitor. For those that see ghosting at the top of the screen but not the bottom, this is the most likely cause. This should be resolvable with driver updates.
2) The monitor is not able to completely transition betweeen the left/right images within the time required and so a "left over" of the other frame is still displayed. This is definitely happening because we know that in the Acer, that overdrive reduces ghosting. Overdrive appears to allow the LCD crystals to change a little faster resulting in a more successful left/right frame transition.
If the glass used for cables is refind properly, it would have less impuries. You my not see them but there will be less impuries in the optical cable, therefore less light would be interfered by the impurities, making the signal more clearer, therefore making clearer sound.
The same principle goes with a high quality Dual DVI. The signal can travel faster and less interferance with a oxygen free copper compared to the standard copper used in cables. So if the monitor is recieving a faster and clearer signal via the cable then each time the monitor refreshes there would be less lag between the signal sent from the gpu to the monitor, therefore a lag is created each time the monitor refeshes, as it refreshes at 120 a second, the lag between each refresh of the LCD times 120 making the lag a large value, which causes ghosting, less lag = less ghosting. That is why there is less ghosting with a projector because it typically refreshes around 0.2 millisecs where as a 120hz monitor refreshes every 2 milli secs. Remembering a microsecond can make a huge difference with ghosting.
So my comment is not stupid. :P
I know you mean well, but this is not correct for a DVI or HDMI cable.
In the case of DVI or HDMI, it is an electrical signal. The propagation delay variance due to the different materials used in the construction metal will be infinitely small. HDMI/DVI has no error correction, so there is no re-send delay possible. The signal either reaches its destination or it does not. The effects of errors are usually catastrophic and easily visible in the image. So if you want to talk jitter, forget the cable, beacuse HDMI inherently has such higher jitter to start with that the cable is off the chart in irrelevance. It is also worth noting that the difference between cheap and expensive HDMI/DVI cables is the shielding (to limit interference and therefore maximise SNR with respect to the expected attenuation over distance). They haven't started silver coating the outside of the wire strands like speaker cables!
For an optical cable, once again, there is no error correction for normal usage. In cheaper cables there is increased refraction which could result in potential errors, particularly due to attenuation, and just possibly increase jitter. However most of the problems with optical audio are in the laser receivers and senders themselves which introduce jitter.
The reason for ghosting in 3D monitors is 2-fold
1) The glasses are not completely in sync with the frame display of the monitor. For those that see ghosting at the top of the screen but not the bottom, this is the most likely cause. This should be resolvable with driver updates.
2) The monitor is not able to completely transition betweeen the left/right images within the time required and so a "left over" of the other frame is still displayed. This is definitely happening because we know that in the Acer, that overdrive reduces ghosting. Overdrive appears to allow the LCD crystals to change a little faster resulting in a more successful left/right frame transition.