GTX470 + Xonar + H5360 + 3D = pulling my hair out...
Hi everyone,

I need a magic formula to connect altogether the following so it works in all modes:

GTX470 x2 (SLI)
Xonar HDAV 1.3
Integra DTC 9.8 (pre-amp)
H5360
with of course 3D Vision
TMT 3 so I can get DTSHD and TrueHD (and soon hopefully 3D Bluray)
AND
games with 3DVision

I had some level of success is some forms but not all of them.

One of the problem is the following. The Xonar card need to be connected from the DVI 1 connector from the GTX470 which in turn connects to the Integra and then to an HDMI switch which connects to the H5360 - whoa that was a mouthful.

And that only works in 60hz. But I can get TMT to work and get Hi-def sound.

I connect DVI 2 to the HDMI switch and that connects to the H5360.

I make the DVI 2 primary so I can have 3DVision to work on it.

In order to make all of this work, I need to "clone" the monitors (H5360 and Xonar) I also need to switch from one to the other all the time and change resolution/frequency, which is a pain. (BTW does cloning the monitors use more power from the GPU? if so how much more? Could it mean that I am splitting my framerate in half?)

HDMI audio is disabled on DVI 2 (H5360) and enabled on DVI 1 (Xonar).

The problem is that it does not always work... Sync issues, no signal found, you need to reboot in order to have it back - also a pain.

When I upgrade drivers - all the config I did goes away. DVI 1 becomes primary - the clone params also go away and I end up with nothing on the H5360. Getting it back to a "dual" states requires some efforts... and since I upgraded from a GTX250 to a GTX470 (and later on tonight a second GTX470 in SLI) - it now needs to be redone all over ... again...

My next possible solution is an HDMI splitter. Split the signal before it gets to the Xonar. Essentially sending it directly from the DVI 1 to Xonar AND H5360 at the same time.

I just bought a brand spanking new HDMI 1.3 1*4 splitter and guess what... It does not work at 120hz - aaarrrgggghhhhhh.

Does anyone know if such a beast exists? Something that would split the signal with the necessary bandwidth of 120hz? Any other solutions/brilliant idea one can think of?
If such a splitter exists what will the PC think when it sees the two different monitors on the same port - will it see both or just one of them?

Of course it will come with such a simple solution that I would bang my head on the wall - I am sure.

Any input appreciated!!!
Hi everyone,



I need a magic formula to connect altogether the following so it works in all modes:



GTX470 x2 (SLI)

Xonar HDAV 1.3

Integra DTC 9.8 (pre-amp)

H5360

with of course 3D Vision

TMT 3 so I can get DTSHD and TrueHD (and soon hopefully 3D Bluray)

AND

games with 3DVision



I had some level of success is some forms but not all of them.



One of the problem is the following. The Xonar card need to be connected from the DVI 1 connector from the GTX470 which in turn connects to the Integra and then to an HDMI switch which connects to the H5360 - whoa that was a mouthful.



And that only works in 60hz. But I can get TMT to work and get Hi-def sound.



I connect DVI 2 to the HDMI switch and that connects to the H5360.



I make the DVI 2 primary so I can have 3DVision to work on it.



In order to make all of this work, I need to "clone" the monitors (H5360 and Xonar) I also need to switch from one to the other all the time and change resolution/frequency, which is a pain. (BTW does cloning the monitors use more power from the GPU? if so how much more? Could it mean that I am splitting my framerate in half?)



HDMI audio is disabled on DVI 2 (H5360) and enabled on DVI 1 (Xonar).



The problem is that it does not always work... Sync issues, no signal found, you need to reboot in order to have it back - also a pain.



When I upgrade drivers - all the config I did goes away. DVI 1 becomes primary - the clone params also go away and I end up with nothing on the H5360. Getting it back to a "dual" states requires some efforts... and since I upgraded from a GTX250 to a GTX470 (and later on tonight a second GTX470 in SLI) - it now needs to be redone all over ... again...



My next possible solution is an HDMI splitter. Split the signal before it gets to the Xonar. Essentially sending it directly from the DVI 1 to Xonar AND H5360 at the same time.



I just bought a brand spanking new HDMI 1.3 1*4 splitter and guess what... It does not work at 120hz - aaarrrgggghhhhhh.



Does anyone know if such a beast exists? Something that would split the signal with the necessary bandwidth of 120hz? Any other solutions/brilliant idea one can think of?

If such a splitter exists what will the PC think when it sees the two different monitors on the same port - will it see both or just one of them?



Of course it will come with such a simple solution that I would bang my head on the wall - I am sure.



Any input appreciated!!!

#1
Posted 06/01/2010 09:19 PM   
Hi sdumas,

It looks like you're blazing the trail here... Any further word on this? I'm considering an almost identical setup and am interested in hearing whether or not it's possible to get 3D Vision AND HD audio bitstreaming working together.

Thanks!
Hi sdumas,



It looks like you're blazing the trail here... Any further word on this? I'm considering an almost identical setup and am interested in hearing whether or not it's possible to get 3D Vision AND HD audio bitstreaming working together.



Thanks!

#2
Posted 06/12/2010 04:50 PM   
Good stereo audio has an external DAC unit.That only needs spdif for the best results and you re done. I wouldn't care about 5.1 just yet, better upgrade your stereo with +4 subs for uniform bass response .
Good stereo audio has an external DAC unit.That only needs spdif for the best results and you re done. I wouldn't care about 5.1 just yet, better upgrade your stereo with +4 subs for uniform bass response .

#3
Posted 06/12/2010 04:53 PM   
hi, i am quite new to this whole entertainment setup, im running a bfg 295gtx, which is connected to my sammy 2233, and my 50" plasma,
i have to physically unplug the plasma to plug my acer h5360 in to use for films/gaming in 3d.
audio wise im running a creative xfi card thats plugs in via spdif to a onkyo ts rx308 hdmi1.4 switching amp/reciever,
what is making me curious is does the 470 have built in audio card? as i read you plug your card into the dvi port on the card,
hi, i am quite new to this whole entertainment setup, im running a bfg 295gtx, which is connected to my sammy 2233, and my 50" plasma,

i have to physically unplug the plasma to plug my acer h5360 in to use for films/gaming in 3d.

audio wise im running a creative xfi card thats plugs in via spdif to a onkyo ts rx308 hdmi1.4 switching amp/reciever,

what is making me curious is does the 470 have built in audio card? as i read you plug your card into the dvi port on the card,

#4
Posted 06/13/2010 09:56 AM   
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#5
Posted 06/13/2010 01:14 PM   
Welcome to the nightmare that is HDMI/HDCP/EDID handshaking, further complicated by the recent ability to pass HD audio on PC components. :D

Question for you, is there any other source input to your H5360 other than your PC? If not, then why not just use 1 DVI output to dedicate to your video (always on, handshake never broken, and no audio attached to it) and the other to dedicate to your audio? Unless your pre-amp needs to actually pass and output video in order to decode the HD audio? I have a similar set-up for HD Audio with my X-Fi HTHD, but I'm able to set up a dummy connection that does not need to pass an actual video signal to a display from my receiver and it performs the necessary hand-shaking as needed when I switch my receiver to HDMI from the X-Fi.

The other solution is a bit more convoluted, but it should work using a DVI Doctor from Monoprice: [url="http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011003&p_id=3048&seq=1&format=4"]http://www.monoprice.com/products/product....=1&format=4[/url]

Basically, you would need to place this after your HDMI switch in your original config, but you would need to go HDMI switch > DVI > DVI Doctor > HDMI > H5360. The DVI doctor remembers the EDID/HDCP signal from your GPU and display and makes them both think they're both always on, keeping the handshake intact.

You can read this post below and it should work, pay special attention to the OP and Post #6 where he says this also works for HDMI: [url="http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=198&topic=1105.msg6722"]http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?opt...ic=1105.msg6722[/url]

[quote]A quick follow-up to my original review. Apparently the DVI Doctor is also an HDMI doctor. I upgraded my HTPC from DVI/SPDIF out to HDMI recently and found that if you go HDMI->DVI->DVI Doctor->HDMI, the HDMI audio is still passed through. I was not expecting this, so thought I'd share.

Erik[/quote]

If you try this out please update the post as I'd be interested to find out if this works for sure, as I haven't tried this myself but have considered it in the past.
Welcome to the nightmare that is HDMI/HDCP/EDID handshaking, further complicated by the recent ability to pass HD audio on PC components. :D



Question for you, is there any other source input to your H5360 other than your PC? If not, then why not just use 1 DVI output to dedicate to your video (always on, handshake never broken, and no audio attached to it) and the other to dedicate to your audio? Unless your pre-amp needs to actually pass and output video in order to decode the HD audio? I have a similar set-up for HD Audio with my X-Fi HTHD, but I'm able to set up a dummy connection that does not need to pass an actual video signal to a display from my receiver and it performs the necessary hand-shaking as needed when I switch my receiver to HDMI from the X-Fi.



The other solution is a bit more convoluted, but it should work using a DVI Doctor from Monoprice: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product....=1&format=4



Basically, you would need to place this after your HDMI switch in your original config, but you would need to go HDMI switch > DVI > DVI Doctor > HDMI > H5360. The DVI doctor remembers the EDID/HDCP signal from your GPU and display and makes them both think they're both always on, keeping the handshake intact.



You can read this post below and it should work, pay special attention to the OP and Post #6 where he says this also works for HDMI: http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?opt...ic=1105.msg6722



A quick follow-up to my original review. Apparently the DVI Doctor is also an HDMI doctor. I upgraded my HTPC from DVI/SPDIF out to HDMI recently and found that if you go HDMI->DVI->DVI Doctor->HDMI, the HDMI audio is still passed through. I was not expecting this, so thought I'd share.



Erik




If you try this out please update the post as I'd be interested to find out if this works for sure, as I haven't tried this myself but have considered it in the past.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#6
Posted 06/13/2010 06:57 PM   
[quote name='tritosine' post='1072390' date='Jun 12 2010, 12:53 PM']Good stereo audio has an external DAC unit.That only needs spdif for the best results and you re done. I wouldn't care about 5.1 just yet, better upgrade your stereo with +4 subs for uniform bass response .[/quote]
He's referring to uncompressed/bitstreamed HD audio like DTS HD or Dolby TrueHD from Blu-Ray, which really can't be compared to Spdif in terms of audio quality which is limited to lossy AC3 or DTS at much lower bit rates or only 2ch LPCM at similar audio quality to the multi-channel HD formats. HDMI audio is a newer complication with AV/HT systems with the proliferation of Blu-Ray but further complicated on the PC with all of the HDCP/EDID/HDMI hand-shaking issues and format differences.
[quote name='tritosine' post='1072390' date='Jun 12 2010, 12:53 PM']Good stereo audio has an external DAC unit.That only needs spdif for the best results and you re done. I wouldn't care about 5.1 just yet, better upgrade your stereo with +4 subs for uniform bass response .

He's referring to uncompressed/bitstreamed HD audio like DTS HD or Dolby TrueHD from Blu-Ray, which really can't be compared to Spdif in terms of audio quality which is limited to lossy AC3 or DTS at much lower bit rates or only 2ch LPCM at similar audio quality to the multi-channel HD formats. HDMI audio is a newer complication with AV/HT systems with the proliferation of Blu-Ray but further complicated on the PC with all of the HDCP/EDID/HDMI hand-shaking issues and format differences.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#7
Posted 06/13/2010 07:04 PM   
Got it.

I simplified the whole thing a little bit.

I decided to break down and connected the H5360 to the VGA port.
The DVI to HDMI port was then connected to the Xonar Card, which in turn is connected to the Integra DTC9.8
I cloned the two monitors and I enabled sound HDMI only on the Xonar.

I eliminated the whole HDMI splitters, repeaters and switches.

Using AnyDVDHD the VGA is still recognized as HDCP compliant. Thanks to Tritosine, I used his inf file and forced the monitor to be the H5360. It does 120hz and I can get full digital sound with the Xonar.

I just listened tonight to Monsters vs Aliens in 3D Bluray on TMT and with full digital sound.

I also listened to HellBoyII which has 7.1 DTSMA in 120 hz - sweet.

I pre-ordered 3D Bluray Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs from amazon - can't wait to try that one!
Got it.



I simplified the whole thing a little bit.



I decided to break down and connected the H5360 to the VGA port.

The DVI to HDMI port was then connected to the Xonar Card, which in turn is connected to the Integra DTC9.8

I cloned the two monitors and I enabled sound HDMI only on the Xonar.



I eliminated the whole HDMI splitters, repeaters and switches.



Using AnyDVDHD the VGA is still recognized as HDCP compliant. Thanks to Tritosine, I used his inf file and forced the monitor to be the H5360. It does 120hz and I can get full digital sound with the Xonar.



I just listened tonight to Monsters vs Aliens in 3D Bluray on TMT and with full digital sound.



I also listened to HellBoyII which has 7.1 DTSMA in 120 hz - sweet.



I pre-ordered 3D Bluray Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs from amazon - can't wait to try that one!

#8
Posted 06/20/2010 03:50 AM   
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