Pimax 8k X .... to pii or not to pii
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This question is for our tech savvys The 8k X has two 4k screens And dual displayport connection so one for each eye directly (isnt that kind of similar to dual projection?) So it supposedly is 4k per eye@90hz I don't know about how does normal Desktop image looks in the headset but could it be possible to have that kind of input Working on 3d vision ? Pimax 4k Was most parts a Letdown, and i don't have high Hopes but someone said come on its a starting company. So we can Hope they deliver a better product this time, its a whole another Matter whos rig would run anything with those screen if they don't have a scaler in that dual input Model (this i don't know) Tridef could Support dual input, does tridef have better cpu usage ?
This question is for our tech savvys

The 8k X has two 4k screens And dual displayport connection so one for each eye directly (isnt that kind of similar to dual projection?) So it supposedly is 4k per eye@90hz
I don't know about how does normal Desktop image looks in the headset but could it be possible to have that kind of input Working on 3d vision ?
Pimax 4k Was most parts a Letdown, and i don't have high
Hopes but someone said come on its a starting company.
So we can Hope they deliver a better product this time, its a whole another
Matter whos rig would run anything with those screen if they don't have a scaler in that dual input
Model (this i don't know)

Tridef could Support dual input, does tridef have better cpu usage ?

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#1
Posted 09/27/2017 11:46 AM   
I thought nobody here would talk about this :p. This is the kind of resolution and FOV I have been waiting for in VR. But with how many pending games to fix/play I have and how much money I have already spent this year, I don't think I'll buy it. Besides, I heard it doesn't have RGB pixels and that you need the X version to use the full resolution. And I'd like to wait for 120Hz (and also have 60Hz with strobing available. I don't know if VR headsets support custom refresh rates anyway). Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.
I thought nobody here would talk about this :p. This is the kind of resolution and FOV I have been waiting for in VR. But with how many pending games to fix/play I have and how much money I have already spent this year, I don't think I'll buy it. Besides, I heard it doesn't have RGB pixels and that you need the X version to use the full resolution. And I'd like to wait for 120Hz (and also have 60Hz with strobing available. I don't know if VR headsets support custom refresh rates anyway).

Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.

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Posted 09/27/2017 12:17 PM   
I think eye-tracking HMDs like [url]https://www.getfove.com[/url] may become more popular in the future, because of the potential higher display resolutions achieved while using more intelligent render processing - to minimize hardware requirements. Many consumers may not want to buy something like 1080Ti SLI required by Pimax 8K...
I think eye-tracking HMDs like https://www.getfove.com may become more popular in the future, because of the potential higher display resolutions achieved while using more intelligent render processing - to minimize hardware requirements. Many consumers may not want to buy something like 1080Ti SLI required by Pimax 8K...

#3
Posted 09/27/2017 01:57 PM   
I pledge for the X. Just out of guilt. I was moaning to them to leave the option of using dual input as i was thinking it could be used with multiplexer like i currently do passive 3D with dual projectors. I don't know, it was propably a stupid idea, but here in Finland we walk like we talk. I wish it would have a scaler or mode (the non X has) to use only some of the FOV and resolution, so i could hook it up directly to my geobox outs and enjoy 3D blurays out of the disc and 3D vision fixes. But i bet its one of those ideas that stay in the dream level as i was totally blown away how shit pimax 4K was to my standards. Luckilly people are pledging bananas as the kickstarter is already at 1.2 million so if its a net weight it might be possible to unload....or not.... i so know its a Bad decision :D Good thing about Bad decisions is you definetly learn.
I pledge for the X. Just out of guilt. I was moaning to them to leave the option of using dual input as i was thinking it could be used with multiplexer like i currently do passive 3D with dual projectors. I don't know, it was propably a stupid idea, but here in Finland we walk like we talk.
I wish it would have a scaler or mode (the non X has) to use only some of the FOV and resolution, so i could hook it up directly to my geobox outs and enjoy 3D blurays out of the disc and 3D vision fixes. But i bet its one of those ideas that stay in the dream level as i was totally blown away how shit pimax 4K was to my standards. Luckilly people are pledging bananas as the kickstarter is already at 1.2 million so if its a net weight it might be possible to unload....or not.... i so know its a Bad decision :D

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Posted 09/27/2017 05:00 PM   
[quote="whyme466"]I think eye-tracking HMDs like [url]https://www.getfove.com[/url] may become more popular in the future, because of the potential higher display resolutions achieved while using more intelligent render processing - to minimize hardware requirements. Many consumers may not want to buy something like 1080Ti SLI required by Pimax 8K...[/quote] The X does not in any way rule out eye tracking. Atleast in paper as the "mask" is made to be really customizable and modular. I was thinking fove Back at the days but wow look at the video reviews of it.... Yes ther is like one. Propably one asscrack product atleast as a Customer.
whyme466 said:I think eye-tracking HMDs like https://www.getfove.com may become more popular in the future, because of the potential higher display resolutions achieved while using more intelligent render processing - to minimize hardware requirements. Many consumers may not want to buy something like 1080Ti SLI required by Pimax 8K...


The X does not in any way rule out eye tracking. Atleast in paper as the "mask" is made to be really customizable and modular.
I was thinking fove Back at the days but wow look at the video reviews of it.... Yes ther is like one.
Propably one asscrack product atleast as a Customer.

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#5
Posted 09/27/2017 05:03 PM   
I'd hold off until the product is actually released. The number of promises they're making for things like peripherals (smelling module? lol) are a bit outlandish. They're claiming that it's going to be shipped in about 3 months which doesn't seem like enough time to go into full production. It's also a relatively unknown chinese company so they could be cutting corners and end up shipping a product with very little QA done. The higher FOV will also negates the 4k resolution of each panel since most of the pixels will be along the peripheral. There is also currently no support for the higher fov in SteamVR, they're basically stretching out the peripheral rendering to the edges in a sort of hack. I've owned a DK1, DK2, and a Vive. I'm holding off purchasing another headset till some serious improvements are made in optics and screen resolution, I don't think 4k is going to cut it if the fov is being doubled. I'd at least wait to see what LG has up their sleeves. There's also the issue of software, there really aren't that many quality games out yet. As a software developer I mainly purchased my previous HMDs to screw around with, because I knew that it would take a while for actual proper games to be released, so i've gotten my monies worth. Sure fallout 4 VR, Doom VR, skyrim, and LA noire are on the horizon, but with the exception of Doom VR these are simply ports of existing games. And from what I've read Fallout 4 does not seem very promising and has a ton of issues. Let's also not forget about the type of hardware you'll need to drive 2 4k displays at 90fps. Until nvidia releases their Volta architecture based cards next year i doubt you'll be able to get adequate performance in the majority of games. My 980ti handles most things pretty well, but unless a game has proper 4xMSAA built in games tend to have a lot of aliasing which is incredibly distracting. i usually have to use super sampling to get rid of the aliasing which really decreases performance. If you still want to get one I'd recommend viewing the impressions that Tested made first: https://youtu.be/JuVWs9IZIvk Of course If you don't already have a HMD and have money to burn then go for it.
I'd hold off until the product is actually released. The number of promises they're making for things like peripherals (smelling module? lol) are a bit outlandish. They're claiming that it's going to be shipped in about 3 months which doesn't seem like enough time to go into full production. It's also a relatively unknown chinese company so they could be cutting corners and end up shipping a product with very little QA done. The higher FOV will also negates the 4k resolution of each panel since most of the pixels will be along the peripheral. There is also currently no support for the higher fov in SteamVR, they're basically stretching out the peripheral rendering to the edges in a sort of hack.

I've owned a DK1, DK2, and a Vive. I'm holding off purchasing another headset till some serious improvements are made in optics and screen resolution, I don't think 4k is going to cut it if the fov is being doubled. I'd at least wait to see what LG has up their sleeves.

There's also the issue of software, there really aren't that many quality games out yet. As a software developer I mainly purchased my previous HMDs to screw around with, because I knew that it would take a while for actual proper games to be released, so i've gotten my monies worth. Sure fallout 4 VR, Doom VR, skyrim, and LA noire are on the horizon, but with the exception of Doom VR these are simply ports of existing games. And from what I've read Fallout 4 does not seem very promising and has a ton of issues.

Let's also not forget about the type of hardware you'll need to drive 2 4k displays at 90fps. Until nvidia releases their Volta architecture based cards next year i doubt you'll be able to get adequate performance in the majority of games. My 980ti handles most things pretty well, but unless a game has proper 4xMSAA built in games tend to have a lot of aliasing which is incredibly distracting. i usually have to use super sampling to get rid of the aliasing which really decreases performance.

If you still want to get one I'd recommend viewing the impressions that Tested made first:
https://youtu.be/JuVWs9IZIvk
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#6
Posted 09/27/2017 06:06 PM   
[quote="sgsrules"]I'd hold off until the product is actually released.[/quote] on of the reasons i pledged was the 8k X is limited edition only. i understood it´s one batch only....though if that´s true it would also mean poor support don´tcha think ? and how could it be just one batch, that would be stupid. the 8kX is not shipping until may 2018 to my knoledge. yes you would need atleast titanX or morelikely 2 highest end gpu to actually play anything with that headset. if there is no hq scaler or it wont be possible to use fullhd input like i described in some way that´s visually good. don´t really know, i was under the impression you would not have to actually pay before shipping with kickstarters but after later evaluating the situation the time to pay is when the kickstarter ends ? and that can be quite soon. maby ill pull my spoon out of the soup. who knows. i watched that video . the mask seems visually ok exept those darn led bars. come on, that looks so cheap. and the brainwarp tech sound just so gimmicky (hate the word).
sgsrules said:I'd hold off until the product is actually released.

on of the reasons i pledged was the 8k X is limited edition only. i understood it´s one batch only....though if that´s true it would also mean poor support don´tcha think ? and how could it be just one batch, that would be stupid.

the 8kX is not shipping until may 2018 to my knoledge.

yes you would need atleast titanX or morelikely 2 highest end gpu to actually play anything with that headset. if there is no hq scaler or it wont be possible to use fullhd input like i described in some way that´s visually good.

don´t really know, i was under the impression you would not have to actually pay before shipping with kickstarters but after later evaluating the situation the time to pay is when the kickstarter ends ? and that can be quite soon.

maby ill pull my spoon out of the soup. who knows.

i watched that video . the mask seems visually ok exept those darn led bars. come on, that looks so cheap. and the brainwarp tech sound just so gimmicky (hate the word).

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Posted 09/27/2017 07:48 PM   
Using HTC VIVE or Oculus rift with Supersampling x 2, we don't need to change our VRheadset :) i'll wait next generation.
Using HTC VIVE or Oculus rift with Supersampling x 2, we don't need to change our VRheadset :)

i'll wait next generation.

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Posted 09/27/2017 08:32 PM   
[quote="greatxerox"]Using HTC VIVE or Oculus rift with Supersampling x 2, we don't need to change our VRheadset :) i'll wait next generation.[/quote] Might be true. The Fov is just so horrid and claustrofobic for me. much much worse experience than 3d from a bigscreen. But i know some prefer monitors ect. different poison for everyone.
greatxerox said:Using HTC VIVE or Oculus rift with Supersampling x 2, we don't need to change our VRheadset :)

i'll wait next generation.


Might be true. The Fov is just so horrid and claustrofobic for me. much much worse experience than
3d from a bigscreen. But i know some prefer monitors ect. different poison for everyone.

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#9
Posted 09/27/2017 09:19 PM   
[quote="greatxerox"]Using HTC VIVE or Oculus rift with Supersampling x 2, we don't need to change our VRheadset :) i'll wait next generation.[/quote] Exactly. I'll be upgrading my video card next year and getting the knuckles controllers before i spend more money on a new HMD. Display tech and better optics will take at least 2 more years before there is a worthwhile increase in quality.
greatxerox said:Using HTC VIVE or Oculus rift with Supersampling x 2, we don't need to change our VRheadset :)

i'll wait next generation.

Exactly.

I'll be upgrading my video card next year and getting the knuckles controllers before i spend more money on a new HMD. Display tech and better optics will take at least 2 more years before there is a worthwhile increase in quality.

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#10
Posted 09/27/2017 11:23 PM   
It seemed to me that the 5K headset was actually more interesting than the 8K. (still $350) The 8K has the weird drawback of not being able to hit all 8K with a single cable, because our display cables are still lagging. The 8K X model will reportedly have dual DisplayPort and thus be able to address both screens at full resolution. Digging into the reviews of their first product the Pimax 4K, did not seem very promising. They seem like an underfunded company trying to take on too many hard problems at once, and making amateur mistakes like putting the HDMI 1.4 on a 4K screen. Thanks for that video link, it was also really interesting that Pimax is doing some sort of screen stretching instead of defining a proper screen for their 200 degree FOV. This is the sort of thing that makes me believe they don't know what they are doing. They should be working with Valve to ensure that they are fully supported by OpenVR. If the SDK returns the right screen size, the game will draw to it. But probably they are doing this as a cheat to get around the loss of resolution once you stretch to 200. In the end I decided I didn't have that much confidence in Pimax, and decided not to back the project.
It seemed to me that the 5K headset was actually more interesting than the 8K. (still $350) The 8K has the weird drawback of not being able to hit all 8K with a single cable, because our display cables are still lagging. The 8K X model will reportedly have dual DisplayPort and thus be able to address both screens at full resolution.

Digging into the reviews of their first product the Pimax 4K, did not seem very promising. They seem like an underfunded company trying to take on too many hard problems at once, and making amateur mistakes like putting the HDMI 1.4 on a 4K screen.

Thanks for that video link, it was also really interesting that Pimax is doing some sort of screen stretching instead of defining a proper screen for their 200 degree FOV. This is the sort of thing that makes me believe they don't know what they are doing. They should be working with Valve to ensure that they are fully supported by OpenVR. If the SDK returns the right screen size, the game will draw to it. But probably they are doing this as a cheat to get around the loss of resolution once you stretch to 200.

In the end I decided I didn't have that much confidence in Pimax, and decided not to back the project.

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Posted 09/28/2017 01:17 AM   
[quote="masterotaku"] Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.[/quote] Totally this. Until then .... meh.
masterotaku said: Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.


Totally this. Until then .... meh.

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Posted 09/28/2017 04:35 AM   
[quote="Necropants"][quote="masterotaku"] Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.[/quote] Totally this. Until then .... meh.[/quote][quote="Necropants"][quote="masterotaku"] Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.[/quote] Totally this. Until then .... meh.[/quote] This Was kind of 70% of my point in the pledge 8k X version but it needs to Work with 1080p input. Then i can use my demultiplexer and the pimax only as display
Necropants said:
masterotaku said: Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.


Totally this. Until then .... meh.
Necropants said:
masterotaku said: Whenever we can use all 3D Vision games in VR, I'm in.


Totally this. Until then .... meh.



This Was kind of 70% of my point in the pledge 8k X version but it needs to Work with 1080p input. Then i can use my demultiplexer and the pimax only as display

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Posted 09/28/2017 06:03 AM   
[quote="sgsrules"]there really aren't that many quality games out yet. As a software developer I mainly purchased my previous HMDs to screw around with, because I knew that it would take a while for actual proper games to be released, so i've gotten my monies worth. Sure fallout 4 VR, Doom VR, skyrim, and LA noire are on the horizon, but with the exception of Doom VR these are simply ports of existing games. And from what I've read Fallout 4 does not seem very promising and has a ton of issues. [/quote] Wowwww how can you say that there aren't that many quality games out yet? I am having a hard time to keep up with the amount of incredibly good games since I got my Rift two months ago! All the games from the list below I practically consider must have and I haven't had the chance to play or buy all of them as yet! Robo Recall, Lone Echo, Edge of Nowhere and Chronos, for instance, are among the best experiences in gaming I have ever had! Robo Recall Lone Echo Edge of Nowhere Chronos Rick and Morty: Virtual Rick-ality Lucky's Tale Arizona Sunshine The Mages Tale Killing Floor Incursion Wilsons Heart Raw Data Batman Arkham VR SuperHot VR Chroma Lab Rec Room VRChat Pavlov VR Dead and Buried Gorn Dead Effect 2 VR Doom 3 BFG MOD Witchblood Accounting Form Rez Infinite BlazeRush VR Thumper Beats Fever Racket Fury Table Tennis VR And I haven't even started looking into Race and Space Simulators coz I would rather enjoy them with a joystick and/or wheel when I have the chance. Arkitka.1 and From Other Suns will also probably both be amazing!!! Jeezzz and they will be out soon! I have totally retired my 3D Vision games since I got the Rift coz there is just no way to keep up. Anyway, regarding the Pimax, I'd also hold off until the product release. Actually, in fact, I think the best thing to do for now is to stick with the major players and wait for a version 2 from them when they (and the market) are ready to release. Unless of course not my case :( would have lot of money in my pocket to spend with additional VR headsets for fun.
sgsrules said:there really aren't that many quality games out yet. As a software developer I mainly purchased my previous HMDs to screw around with, because I knew that it would take a while for actual proper games to be released, so i've gotten my monies worth. Sure fallout 4 VR, Doom VR, skyrim, and LA noire are on the horizon, but with the exception of Doom VR these are simply ports of existing games. And from what I've read Fallout 4 does not seem very promising and has a ton of issues.


Wowwww how can you say that there aren't that many quality games out yet? I am having a hard time to keep up with the amount of incredibly good games since I got my Rift two months ago!

All the games from the list below I practically consider must have and I haven't had the chance to play or buy all of them as yet! Robo Recall, Lone Echo, Edge of Nowhere and Chronos, for instance, are among the best experiences in gaming I have ever had!

Robo Recall
Lone Echo
Edge of Nowhere
Chronos
Rick and Morty: Virtual Rick-ality
Lucky's Tale
Arizona Sunshine
The Mages Tale
Killing Floor Incursion
Wilsons Heart
Raw Data
Batman Arkham VR
SuperHot VR
Chroma Lab
Rec Room
VRChat
Pavlov VR
Dead and Buried
Gorn
Dead Effect 2 VR
Doom 3 BFG MOD
Witchblood
Accounting
Form
Rez Infinite
BlazeRush VR
Thumper
Beats Fever
Racket Fury Table Tennis VR

And I haven't even started looking into Race and Space Simulators coz I would rather enjoy them with a joystick and/or wheel when I have the chance.

Arkitka.1 and From Other Suns will also probably both be amazing!!! Jeezzz and they will be out soon!

I have totally retired my 3D Vision games since I got the Rift coz there is just no way to keep up.

Anyway, regarding the Pimax, I'd also hold off until the product release. Actually, in fact, I think the best thing to do for now is to stick with the major players and wait for a version 2 from them when they (and the market) are ready to release. Unless of course not my case :( would have lot of money in my pocket to spend with additional VR headsets for fun.

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Posted 09/28/2017 06:15 PM   
if i understood corretly there won´t be any 8k X after the actual release. Allthough that seems stupid if that´s true.
if i understood corretly there won´t be any 8k X after the actual release.
Allthough that seems stupid if that´s true.

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Posted 09/28/2017 08:21 PM   
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