Please clarify this for me. 3D Vision on 560ti
I purchased an Nvidia 560ti, and recently I've been on the market for a good LED 3D HDTV. I've been browsing TVs, and when I found one I was happy with I went online to see if it was compatible with the card. Come to find out, there's only a single brand of TV that the card supports? How can this be possible? What's the difference between "3D Vision" and standard active 3D TV? I feel like I'm being forced to buy a Mitsubishi just so I can have 3D.
I purchased an Nvidia 560ti, and recently I've been on the market for a good LED 3D HDTV. I've been browsing TVs, and when I found one I was happy with I went online to see if it was compatible with the card. Come to find out, there's only a single brand of TV that the card supports? How can this be possible? What's the difference between "3D Vision" and standard active 3D TV? I feel like I'm being forced to buy a Mitsubishi just so I can have 3D.

#1
Posted 09/11/2011 07:41 PM   
Google 3dvision Monitors, I think there are a few more compatible, such as:

ViewSonic FuHzion VX2265wm and the Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ

Also here:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=3d+vision+monitor
Google 3dvision Monitors, I think there are a few more compatible, such as:



ViewSonic FuHzion VX2265wm and the Samsung SyncMaster 2233RZ



Also here:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=3d+vision+monitor

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#2
Posted 09/12/2011 01:59 AM   
"Nvidia 3D Vision" and "3D Surround" are Nvidia's API's for 3D technology on the enthusiast PC, which requires a 3D monitor or flat panel. I wouldn't pay much regard to a support list saying only one monitor is supported...it's probably old and never updated, or Mitsubishi was the only TV company willing to pay Nvidia for their support.

However, you should be aware that 3D on a single 560 Ti won't be a wholely satisfying experience. Rule of thumb is you need at least SLi to use 3D technologies.
"Nvidia 3D Vision" and "3D Surround" are Nvidia's API's for 3D technology on the enthusiast PC, which requires a 3D monitor or flat panel. I wouldn't pay much regard to a support list saying only one monitor is supported...it's probably old and never updated, or Mitsubishi was the only TV company willing to pay Nvidia for their support.



However, you should be aware that 3D on a single 560 Ti won't be a wholely satisfying experience. Rule of thumb is you need at least SLi to use 3D technologies.
[quote name='GrimLP' date='11 September 2011 - 03:41 PM' timestamp='1315770090' post='1291564']
I purchased an Nvidia 560ti, and recently I've been on the market for a good LED 3D HDTV. I've been browsing TVs, and when I found one I was happy with I went online to see if it was compatible with the card. Come to find out, there's only a single brand of TV that the card supports? How can this be possible? What's the difference between "3D Vision" and standard active 3D TV? I feel like I'm being forced to buy a Mitsubishi just so I can have 3D.
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3D Vision uses Nvidia's hardware and glasses connected through your PC. 3DTV uses the HDTV manufacturer's hardware and glasses connected through your PC via HDMI 1.4, but is also limited to the current HDTV and HDMI specs. The big difference between 3D Vision and 3DTV is that there's 3D Vision display options that can achieve true 1080p @ 60FPS per eye where current LCD and HDMI 1.4 specs limit HDTVs to 720p @ 60FPS per eye or 1080p @ 24FPS per eye. The Mitsubishi DLP displays you're probably referring to are somewhat of a hybrid that uses Nvidia's 3D glass hardware and a checkerboard pattern to achieve a half-resolution 1080p image @ 60FPS per eye.

Long story short, you're really not limited to a single HDTV, LCD, or projector manufacturer, however, there is no definitive "best" solution as virtually everything on the market has a pretty lenghty list of pros and cons compared to other options. To give you an idea of supported displays, click on the link below and choose "Supported 3D TVs": http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html

This link shows the list of supported 3D Vision displays: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html
[quote name='GrimLP' date='11 September 2011 - 03:41 PM' timestamp='1315770090' post='1291564']

I purchased an Nvidia 560ti, and recently I've been on the market for a good LED 3D HDTV. I've been browsing TVs, and when I found one I was happy with I went online to see if it was compatible with the card. Come to find out, there's only a single brand of TV that the card supports? How can this be possible? What's the difference between "3D Vision" and standard active 3D TV? I feel like I'm being forced to buy a Mitsubishi just so I can have 3D.



3D Vision uses Nvidia's hardware and glasses connected through your PC. 3DTV uses the HDTV manufacturer's hardware and glasses connected through your PC via HDMI 1.4, but is also limited to the current HDTV and HDMI specs. The big difference between 3D Vision and 3DTV is that there's 3D Vision display options that can achieve true 1080p @ 60FPS per eye where current LCD and HDMI 1.4 specs limit HDTVs to 720p @ 60FPS per eye or 1080p @ 24FPS per eye. The Mitsubishi DLP displays you're probably referring to are somewhat of a hybrid that uses Nvidia's 3D glass hardware and a checkerboard pattern to achieve a half-resolution 1080p image @ 60FPS per eye.



Long story short, you're really not limited to a single HDTV, LCD, or projector manufacturer, however, there is no definitive "best" solution as virtually everything on the market has a pretty lenghty list of pros and cons compared to other options. To give you an idea of supported displays, click on the link below and choose "Supported 3D TVs": http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html



This link shows the list of supported 3D Vision displays: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html

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#4
Posted 09/12/2011 04:55 AM   
[quote name='Heedless_onE' date='11 September 2011 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1315800543' post='1291695']
However, you should be aware that 3D on a single 560 Ti won't be a wholely satisfying experience. Rule of thumb is you need at least SLi to use 3D technologies.
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This just isn't true. I run a single EVGA 570 SC and have a great experience with tons of games in 3D. B:AA runs fine on max settings in 3D and gives a really "wow" experience, among plenty of other games.
[quote name='Heedless_onE' date='11 September 2011 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1315800543' post='1291695']

However, you should be aware that 3D on a single 560 Ti won't be a wholely satisfying experience. Rule of thumb is you need at least SLi to use 3D technologies.





This just isn't true. I run a single EVGA 570 SC and have a great experience with tons of games in 3D. B:AA runs fine on max settings in 3D and gives a really "wow" experience, among plenty of other games.

#5
Posted 09/12/2011 11:57 PM   
[quote name='ialsoagree' date='12 September 2011 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1315871838' post='1292041']
This just isn't true. I run a single EVGA 570 SC and have a great experience with tons of games in 3D. B:AA runs fine on max settings in 3D and gives a really "wow" experience, among plenty of other games.
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[quote name='Heedless_onE]
However, you should be aware that 3D on a single 560 Ti won't be a [b][color="#ff0000"]wholely satisfying experience[/color][/b].[b][color="#ff0000"] Rule of thumb[/color][/b] is you need at least SLi to use 3D technologies.
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[quote name='ialsoagree' date='12 September 2011 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1315871838' post='1292041']

This just isn't true. I run a single EVGA 570 SC and have a great experience with tons of games in 3D. B:AA runs fine on max settings in 3D and gives a really "wow" experience, among plenty of other games.







Heedless_onE said:

However, you should be aware that 3D on a single 560 Ti won't be a wholely satisfying experience. Rule of thumb is you need at least SLi to use 3D technologies.

My personal experiance with a single 560ti (highly overclocked) while using 3d vision left me unable to play many games at highest settings and some games are not that good even with med/high settings, ie just cause 2, mafia2, metro 2033. Even older games can push a 560ti and leave you feeling.....let down.

Be carefull of older models of 3d displays like the samsung 2233rz (my screen) as ghosting can be a real issue and take from the game experiance more than they add. The samsung 2233rz is now discontinued. I was told that the those screens from that time period late 09/early 2010 have been build with subpar "stuff" and are prone to defects/early deaths because of this. My screen is out for repair as we speak.

Its confusing trying to pick a screen vs. 3d hdtv. If you want really good 3d go with a 3d pc monitor, if you want to use the screen for more than just pc gaming and dont mind a lesser experiance go with a 3d tv and use 3d play or ps3 or 3d blu-ray.

Sli is what you want imo so plan for it as an upgrade down the road.

Have fun

My personal experiance with a single 560ti (highly overclocked) while using 3d vision left me unable to play many games at highest settings and some games are not that good even with med/high settings, ie just cause 2, mafia2, metro 2033. Even older games can push a 560ti and leave you feeling.....let down.



Be carefull of older models of 3d displays like the samsung 2233rz (my screen) as ghosting can be a real issue and take from the game experiance more than they add. The samsung 2233rz is now discontinued. I was told that the those screens from that time period late 09/early 2010 have been build with subpar "stuff" and are prone to defects/early deaths because of this. My screen is out for repair as we speak.



Its confusing trying to pick a screen vs. 3d hdtv. If you want really good 3d go with a 3d pc monitor, if you want to use the screen for more than just pc gaming and dont mind a lesser experiance go with a 3d tv and use 3d play or ps3 or 3d blu-ray.



Sli is what you want imo so plan for it as an upgrade down the road.



Have fun


#7
Posted 09/13/2011 01:59 AM   
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