Problem with CRT Sony FW900
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I have the monitor SONY FW900.
The 3D Vision doesn't work.
With the original driver I can't finish the setup (I can't finish the second test window (black & white test)).
With the newest driver the monitor refresh rate is set too high (150 Hz or higher) and the monitor doesn't work also with a resolution with 150 Hz.
What is the solution?
I have the monitor SONY FW900.

The 3D Vision doesn't work.

With the original driver I can't finish the setup (I can't finish the second test window (black & white test)).

With the newest driver the monitor refresh rate is set too high (150 Hz or higher) and the monitor doesn't work also with a resolution with 150 Hz.

What is the solution?

#1
Posted 07/02/2009 05:52 AM   
[quote name='cways' post='560551' date='Jul 2 2009, 08:52 AM']I have the monitor SONY FW900.
The 3D Vision doesn't work.
With the original driver I can't finish the setup (I can't finish the second test window (black & white test)).
With the newest driver the monitor refresh rate is set too high (150 Hz or higher) and the monitor doesn't work also with a resolution with 150 Hz.
What is the solution?[/quote]


Are you under XP ?

If you are under Vista:
Most old CRT monitors dont have drivers for Vista. So you can just install it as plug and play.
And you can try more simple refresh rate and resolution for tests : 1280x1024 / 100Hz
[quote name='cways' post='560551' date='Jul 2 2009, 08:52 AM']I have the monitor SONY FW900.

The 3D Vision doesn't work.

With the original driver I can't finish the setup (I can't finish the second test window (black & white test)).

With the newest driver the monitor refresh rate is set too high (150 Hz or higher) and the monitor doesn't work also with a resolution with 150 Hz.

What is the solution?





Are you under XP ?



If you are under Vista:

Most old CRT monitors dont have drivers for Vista. So you can just install it as plug and play.

And you can try more simple refresh rate and resolution for tests : 1280x1024 / 100Hz

#2
Posted 07/02/2009 06:19 AM   
I'm working under Vista 64.
I installed the monitor driver proper, this is not the problem.
I'm working under Vista 64.

I installed the monitor driver proper, this is not the problem.

#3
Posted 07/02/2009 06:25 AM   
[quote name='cways' post='560566' date='Jul 2 2009, 09:25 AM']I'm working under Vista 64.
I installed the monitor driver proper, this is not the problem.[/quote]

So you cant see square in B&W test, or screen is colapssed and you cant select answer ?

About refresh rate - check this [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=100754"]http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=100754[/url],
hope will be usefull.
[quote name='cways' post='560566' date='Jul 2 2009, 09:25 AM']I'm working under Vista 64.

I installed the monitor driver proper, this is not the problem.



So you cant see square in B&W test, or screen is colapssed and you cant select answer ?



About refresh rate - check this http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=100754,

hope will be usefull.

#4
Posted 07/02/2009 07:03 AM   
[quote name='ATOC' post='560577' date='Jul 2 2009, 08:03 AM']So you cant see square in B&W test, or screen is colapssed and you cant select answer ?

About refresh rate - check this [url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=100754"]http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=100754[/url],
hope will be usefull.[/quote]


Screen is colapssed and I can't select the answer! But I can see the B&W test!
[quote name='ATOC' post='560577' date='Jul 2 2009, 08:03 AM']So you cant see square in B&W test, or screen is colapssed and you cant select answer ?



About refresh rate - check this http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=100754,

hope will be usefull.





Screen is colapssed and I can't select the answer! But I can see the B&W test!

#5
Posted 07/02/2009 07:09 AM   
[quote name='cways' post='560582' date='Jul 2 2009, 10:09 AM']Screen is colapssed and I can't select the answer! But I can see the B&W test![/quote]

That thappens with me too when I make experiments with nv_modes key.
You can try solution in topic i post before. If this dont work, i will post you my value for nv_modes when i go back from work.

edit: Make backup of your previous value. After a change restart PC to apply it.
[quote name='cways' post='560582' date='Jul 2 2009, 10:09 AM']Screen is colapssed and I can't select the answer! But I can see the B&W test!



That thappens with me too when I make experiments with nv_modes key.

You can try solution in topic i post before. If this dont work, i will post you my value for nv_modes when i go back from work.



edit: Make backup of your previous value. After a change restart PC to apply it.

#6
Posted 07/02/2009 07:40 AM   
[quote name='cways' post='560582' date='Jul 1 2009, 11:09 PM']Screen is colapssed and I can't select the answer! But I can see the B&W test![/quote]



I also have a Sony CRT FW900 like you, use exactly these values for nv_modes:

{*}S 640x480=1;800x600 848x480 960x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x800 1280x960 1280x1024 1600x1000 1600x1024 1600x1200 1680x1050=20; 1920x1200 1920x1440=10;

Allows playing in 3DVision at 1680x1050 @100 Hz, which is quite good.
[quote name='cways' post='560582' date='Jul 1 2009, 11:09 PM']Screen is colapssed and I can't select the answer! But I can see the B&W test!







I also have a Sony CRT FW900 like you, use exactly these values for nv_modes:



{*}S 640x480=1;800x600 848x480 960x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x800 1280x960 1280x1024 1600x1000 1600x1024 1600x1200 1680x1050=20; 1920x1200 1920x1440=10;



Allows playing in 3DVision at 1680x1050 @100 Hz, which is quite good.

GTX 1080ti - Rampage III Extreme - XEON i7 920 @ 4.0 GHz - 24 GB Ram - Windows 7 64 - ASUS PG278QR

#7
Posted 07/02/2009 08:58 AM   
[quote name='BadONE' post='560619' date='Jul 2 2009, 03:58 AM']I also have a Sony CRT FW900 like you, use exactly these values for nv_modes:

{*}S 640x480=1;800x600 848x480 960x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x800 1280x960 1280x1024 1600x1000 1600x1024 1600x1200 1680x1050=20; 1920x1200 1920x1440=10;

Allows playing in 3DVision at 1680x1050 @100 Hz, which is quite good.[/quote]


I have the Sony CRT FW900 and have been trying for a couple of months to get it to work. I still have not been able to select it from the main setup menu. I tried this string you listed above here with no luck. With the black and white test all the boxes apear the same to me. Any advice? What am I doing wrong???
[quote name='BadONE' post='560619' date='Jul 2 2009, 03:58 AM']I also have a Sony CRT FW900 like you, use exactly these values for nv_modes:



{*}S 640x480=1;800x600 848x480 960x600 1024x768 1152x864 1280x800 1280x960 1280x1024 1600x1000 1600x1024 1600x1200 1680x1050=20; 1920x1200 1920x1440=10;



Allows playing in 3DVision at 1680x1050 @100 Hz, which is quite good.





I have the Sony CRT FW900 and have been trying for a couple of months to get it to work. I still have not been able to select it from the main setup menu. I tried this string you listed above here with no luck. With the black and white test all the boxes apear the same to me. Any advice? What am I doing wrong???

#8
Posted 07/09/2009 11:42 PM   
[quote name='Tonkoshala' post='563632' date='Jul 10 2009, 03:42 AM']I have the Sony CRT FW900 and have been trying for a couple of months to get it to work. I still have not been able to select it from the main setup menu. I tried this string you listed above here with no luck. With the black and white test all the boxes apear the same to me. Any advice? What am I doing wrong???[/quote]
wait a second. lez start from first steps
at first probably no drivers for your monitor under Vista 64 you can find (some drivers for XP can work under Vista 32, but not 64). you should install your monitor as Generic plug & play monitor. if you connect via VGA cable you should have access to most of your monitor mods. if you use DVI-D, HDVI or DVI-I single-link cable you may have no choice for all mods with acceptable refresh rates. the best choice for CRT monitors is VGA cable (D-SUB), instead of this if DVI input presents on your monitor you can use DVI-I dual-link cable.
the second step is checking mods. we go to monitor properties, set 1280x1024 (for 19' monitor it is max resolution for good refresh rate i believe), then advinced, monitor and check all available refresh rates. if everything done correct you should see few rates for choice. for begin try to set 100mhz and push apply. if you see the desktop it's ok.
so now we go to Nvidia control panel from menu where we are now (be sure you have last geforce and 3d vision drivers installed) and open 3dvision properties from advinced nvidia menu and start the stereo test. set your resolution and you refresh rate in test menu and start test. look to your infra-red transmitter - the Nvidia lofo must shine bright green. now put your glasses on your eyes and check it. dont forget tp push button on your glasses to switch it on =)
[quote name='Tonkoshala' post='563632' date='Jul 10 2009, 03:42 AM']I have the Sony CRT FW900 and have been trying for a couple of months to get it to work. I still have not been able to select it from the main setup menu. I tried this string you listed above here with no luck. With the black and white test all the boxes apear the same to me. Any advice? What am I doing wrong???

wait a second. lez start from first steps

at first probably no drivers for your monitor under Vista 64 you can find (some drivers for XP can work under Vista 32, but not 64). you should install your monitor as Generic plug & play monitor. if you connect via VGA cable you should have access to most of your monitor mods. if you use DVI-D, HDVI or DVI-I single-link cable you may have no choice for all mods with acceptable refresh rates. the best choice for CRT monitors is VGA cable (D-SUB), instead of this if DVI input presents on your monitor you can use DVI-I dual-link cable.

the second step is checking mods. we go to monitor properties, set 1280x1024 (for 19' monitor it is max resolution for good refresh rate i believe), then advinced, monitor and check all available refresh rates. if everything done correct you should see few rates for choice. for begin try to set 100mhz and push apply. if you see the desktop it's ok.

so now we go to Nvidia control panel from menu where we are now (be sure you have last geforce and 3d vision drivers installed) and open 3dvision properties from advinced nvidia menu and start the stereo test. set your resolution and you refresh rate in test menu and start test. look to your infra-red transmitter - the Nvidia lofo must shine bright green. now put your glasses on your eyes and check it. dont forget tp push button on your glasses to switch it on =)

#9
Posted 07/13/2009 10:11 AM   
Good god these forum servers are slow sometimes.

Anyway, if you are still having problems my solution is at the bottom of this thread:

[url="http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=88118"]CRT install[/url]
Good god these forum servers are slow sometimes.



Anyway, if you are still having problems my solution is at the bottom of this thread:



CRT install

#10
Posted 07/15/2009 12:41 AM   
Any luck cways?
Any luck cways?

#11
Posted 08/01/2009 11:00 PM   
[quote name='DDuckMan' post='572989' date='Aug 1 2009, 06:00 PM']Any luck cways?[/quote]


Don't know about him, but I still have yet to get mine to work. I am hoping for a patch of some sort to be released. I have seen a lot of people with the CRT issues, but no real solid solution. Get off yer butt nVidia!
[quote name='DDuckMan' post='572989' date='Aug 1 2009, 06:00 PM']Any luck cways?





Don't know about him, but I still have yet to get mine to work. I am hoping for a patch of some sort to be released. I have seen a lot of people with the CRT issues, but no real solid solution. Get off yer butt nVidia!

#12
Posted 08/02/2009 12:06 AM   
[quote name='Tonkoshala' post='573007' date='Aug 2 2009, 12:06 AM']Don't know about him, but I still have yet to get mine to work. I am hoping for a patch of some sort to be released. I have seen a lot of people with the CRT issues, but no real solid solution. Get off yer butt nVidia![/quote]

It's not nvidia, it's microsoft. There will be no patch for CRT users - we're like 1 percent of the population, if that. You're gonna have to screw around like everyone else.
[quote name='Tonkoshala' post='573007' date='Aug 2 2009, 12:06 AM']Don't know about him, but I still have yet to get mine to work. I am hoping for a patch of some sort to be released. I have seen a lot of people with the CRT issues, but no real solid solution. Get off yer butt nVidia!



It's not nvidia, it's microsoft. There will be no patch for CRT users - we're like 1 percent of the population, if that. You're gonna have to screw around like everyone else.

#13
Posted 08/02/2009 05:41 AM   
[quote name='f3likx' post='573075' date='Aug 2 2009, 12:41 AM']It's not nvidia, it's microsoft. There will be no patch for CRT users - we're like 1 percent of the population, if that. You're gonna have to screw around like everyone else.[/quote]


Did a clean install last night. Could not get my 64 bit disk to work so I had to use the 32. The glasses work! I am curious. I cannot set the depth past the defalt setting without getting a double image playing games. What do I do there?

BadONE I used your method to get a higher hz, but it seems the games are not reading the same as what my settings are in the display properties. Any ideas?
[quote name='f3likx' post='573075' date='Aug 2 2009, 12:41 AM']It's not nvidia, it's microsoft. There will be no patch for CRT users - we're like 1 percent of the population, if that. You're gonna have to screw around like everyone else.





Did a clean install last night. Could not get my 64 bit disk to work so I had to use the 32. The glasses work! I am curious. I cannot set the depth past the defalt setting without getting a double image playing games. What do I do there?



BadONE I used your method to get a higher hz, but it seems the games are not reading the same as what my settings are in the display properties. Any ideas?

#14
Posted 08/03/2009 02:19 AM   
[quote name='Tonkoshala' post='573348' date='Aug 3 2009, 04:19 AM']I cannot set the depth past the defalt setting without getting a double image playing games.[/quote]

This is a common problem with CRTs and is called ghosting. It takes some time for the previous image to fade completely and so you see a "ghost" of the image intended for the other eye. You can confirm this by closing one eye: The "ghost" should be the same as the main picture on the other eye and vice versa.

There is no actual solution for this (except buying another display), but changing brightness, contrast and refresh rate may help. It's also less noticable at lower depth settings, because the two images are closer together.

You can try to move the ghosting further into the background where it's less annoing by enabling the avanced ingame controls in the 3D stereo options. Then use Ctrl+F5 and Ctrl+F6 to adjust the convergence so the objects in the foreground are focused. You can save your settings at any time by pressing Ctrl+F7.


The best method to get your desired resolution working in windows as well as in games, is in my experience creating a custom monitor driver. You can use a program called PowerStrip (a free trial version is available, you only need to use it once) to create an .ini file for you. To do so, right click on the PowerStrip icon in your taskbar, choose Options -> Monitor information. In the panel that pops up choose "Read data from stored EDID" in the drop-down list at the bottom. Then choose "Write custom monitor driver", edit the blue entries to your monitor's values if necessary and finally click on the disk icon to save your driver file.

Then install your custom monitor driver via the Windows device manager by choosing to update your monitor drivers and then pointing it to the file you just created.

In order to get games working at higher refresh rates, use the NVIDIA control panel to create a custom entry for each of your desired resolutions (I got the best results by using GTF as timing). This should override the standard refresh rate choices and force games to run at a higher refresh rate.
[quote name='Tonkoshala' post='573348' date='Aug 3 2009, 04:19 AM']I cannot set the depth past the defalt setting without getting a double image playing games.



This is a common problem with CRTs and is called ghosting. It takes some time for the previous image to fade completely and so you see a "ghost" of the image intended for the other eye. You can confirm this by closing one eye: The "ghost" should be the same as the main picture on the other eye and vice versa.



There is no actual solution for this (except buying another display), but changing brightness, contrast and refresh rate may help. It's also less noticable at lower depth settings, because the two images are closer together.



You can try to move the ghosting further into the background where it's less annoing by enabling the avanced ingame controls in the 3D stereo options. Then use Ctrl+F5 and Ctrl+F6 to adjust the convergence so the objects in the foreground are focused. You can save your settings at any time by pressing Ctrl+F7.





The best method to get your desired resolution working in windows as well as in games, is in my experience creating a custom monitor driver. You can use a program called PowerStrip (a free trial version is available, you only need to use it once) to create an .ini file for you. To do so, right click on the PowerStrip icon in your taskbar, choose Options -> Monitor information. In the panel that pops up choose "Read data from stored EDID" in the drop-down list at the bottom. Then choose "Write custom monitor driver", edit the blue entries to your monitor's values if necessary and finally click on the disk icon to save your driver file.



Then install your custom monitor driver via the Windows device manager by choosing to update your monitor drivers and then pointing it to the file you just created.



In order to get games working at higher refresh rates, use the NVIDIA control panel to create a custom entry for each of your desired resolutions (I got the best results by using GTF as timing). This should override the standard refresh rate choices and force games to run at a higher refresh rate.

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#15
Posted 08/03/2009 05:23 AM   
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