a question about projector please! help needed.
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Great, plz let us know your experiences with it!
Great, plz let us know your experiences with it!

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#46
Posted 10/18/2017 09:32 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]Great, plz let us know your experiences with it![/quote] With pleasure. it will take a while but be sure that i'll report.
RAGEdemon said:Great, plz let us know your experiences with it!


With pleasure.
it will take a while but be sure that i'll report.

#47
Posted 10/18/2017 09:48 AM   
[quote="Hanangabai"][quote="RAGEdemon"]I'm afraid I have been out of the loop for a long time - I do not know what is currently out there and I have not done the research. However, joker18 has a Benq W1300, which is out of production. I believe he is able to run near 1080p 3D Vision at 100Hz/100FPS with it. It's not 120FPS, but it's much better than 60FPS. I do not remember many details but perhaps a modern version of this projector would be suitable? You might want to ping him and invite him to this thread.[/quote] RAGEdemon ok maybe i will. i am going to take a risk and use a 3rd party shipping company wich receive packages and send them to Israel when dircet shipping is not available. charging about 60usd for 4kg. i think it's worth it as the Benq HT2050 cost almost twice in Israel than Amazon. Its RGBRGB with great reviews and a 1 year model so it's kind of new.[/quote] lol i just found Xgimi H1 3D seperate lights for r g and b so no rainbow low input lag -> suitable for gaming it has even amazing sound 680€ and to top it all off... it doesnt have a lamp. wait what???? true. it has and LED lamp TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 30.000h lamp life im sold bru. im buying it tommorow and picking it up directly on airport unless there is some really amazing for gaming LCD projector at similar price point, and the only reason i would buy it is because it wouldnt have "Dither" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither that can apparently give you headaches and i dont want that, but i must investigate further this. if you want cheaper, or if you want native 720p, get Xgimi h4 projector. Im not sure if for 160€ less its worth it because i wanna watch movies... but i will play LOTS of games so maybe native 720p is a killer app? meh, idk. either choice is amazing. buying on Gearbest What u think I just really hope i can use 3D Nvidia vision glasses with it with edid hack, what you guys think? Im getting way to excited lol
Hanangabai said:
RAGEdemon said:I'm afraid I have been out of the loop for a long time - I do not know what is currently out there and I have not done the research.

However,
joker18 has a Benq W1300, which is out of production. I believe he is able to run near 1080p 3D Vision at 100Hz/100FPS with it. It's not 120FPS, but it's much better than 60FPS. I do not remember many details but perhaps a modern version of this projector would be suitable?

You might want to ping him and invite him to this thread.


RAGEdemon ok maybe i will. i am going to take a risk and use a 3rd party shipping company wich receive packages and send them to Israel when dircet shipping is not available. charging about 60usd for 4kg.
i think it's worth it as the Benq HT2050 cost almost twice in Israel than Amazon.

Its RGBRGB with great reviews and a 1 year model so it's kind of new.


lol i just found Xgimi H1

3D
seperate lights for r g and b so no rainbow
low input lag -> suitable for gaming
it has even amazing sound
680€
and to top it all off... it doesnt have a lamp. wait what???? true. it has and LED lamp TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 30.000h lamp life
im sold bru.

im buying it tommorow and picking it up directly on airport unless there is some really amazing for gaming LCD projector at similar price point, and the only reason i would buy it is because it wouldnt have "Dither" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither that can apparently give you headaches and i dont want that, but i must investigate further this.

if you want cheaper, or if you want native 720p, get Xgimi h4 projector. Im not sure if for 160€ less its worth it because i wanna watch movies... but i will play LOTS of games so maybe native 720p is a killer app? meh, idk. either choice is amazing.

buying on Gearbest

What u think

I just really hope i can use 3D Nvidia vision glasses with it with edid hack, what you guys think?

Im getting way to excited lol

#48
Posted 10/18/2017 07:59 PM   
Wish i didn't read that ... nnnaa i'll stick to my plan. Tired of going back and forth. You and i bet anyone else are not even sure about 3d support (convincing myself too mind you) So it's a gamble imo.
Wish i didn't read that ... nnnaa i'll stick to my plan. Tired of going back and forth.
You and i bet anyone else are not even sure about 3d support (convincing myself too mind you)
So it's a gamble imo.

#49
Posted 10/18/2017 08:29 PM   
Problem with LED projectors currently is their low brightness. Check out the lumen output and you will not be impressed. (I just checked out the Xgimi H1; 900 Lumens). For 3D, you want as much brightness as possible because 3D glasses cut out 50% to 75% of the light. Laser projectors are a thing now, which try to compensate, but are very expensive. It's one of the reasons it's difficult to get true HDR support on a projector - they are simply not bright enough.
Problem with LED projectors currently is their low brightness. Check out the lumen output and you will not be impressed. (I just checked out the Xgimi H1; 900 Lumens).

For 3D, you want as much brightness as possible because 3D glasses cut out 50% to 75% of the light.

Laser projectors are a thing now, which try to compensate, but are very expensive.

It's one of the reasons it's difficult to get true HDR support on a projector - they are simply not bright enough.

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#50
Posted 10/18/2017 11:57 PM   
Ragedemon yes. 900lumens is very low i wonder how can it be enough regardless 3dvision.
Ragedemon yes. 900lumens is very low i wonder how can it be enough regardless 3dvision.

#51
Posted 10/19/2017 04:28 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]Problem with LED projectors currently is their low brightness. Check out the lumen output and you will not be impressed. (I just checked out the Xgimi H1; 900 Lumens). For 3D, you want as much brightness as possible because 3D glasses cut out 50% to 75% of the light. Laser projectors are a thing now, which try to compensate, but are very expensive. It's one of the reasons it's difficult to get true HDR support on a projector - they are simply not bright enough. [/quote][quote="Hanangabai"]Ragedemon yes. 900lumens is very low i wonder how can it be enough regardless 3dvision. [/quote][quote="Hanangabai"]Ragedemon yes. 900lumens is very low i wonder how can it be enough regardless 3dvision. [/quote] Its not "lumens" Its ANSI lumens. Different. Id love to have Darbee, id love to have more brightness, id love to have LCD. But this is just killer projector and i cannot pass it. Its just too good. Where else will you find 300" capable one? With 30,000 HOUR LIFE OF LAMP. With amazing sound quality and woofer. With wifi n stuff. If there is a better projector, please stand up and speak now or mute forever :D I was considering Epson w5300 solely because its LCD and it would make it playing games a pleasant experience. And its cheap(er) IDK lol
RAGEdemon said:Problem with LED projectors currently is their low brightness. Check out the lumen output and you will not be impressed. (I just checked out the Xgimi H1; 900 Lumens).

For 3D, you want as much brightness as possible because 3D glasses cut out 50% to 75% of the light.

Laser projectors are a thing now, which try to compensate, but are very expensive.

It's one of the reasons it's difficult to get true HDR support on a projector - they are simply not bright enough.

Hanangabai said:Ragedemon yes. 900lumens is very low i wonder how can it be enough regardless 3dvision.
Hanangabai said:Ragedemon yes. 900lumens is very low i wonder how can it be enough regardless 3dvision.


Its not "lumens"

Its ANSI lumens. Different.

Id love to have Darbee, id love to have more brightness, id love to have LCD.

But this is just killer projector and i cannot pass it. Its just too good. Where else will you find 300" capable one? With 30,000 HOUR LIFE OF LAMP. With amazing sound quality and woofer. With wifi n stuff.

If there is a better projector, please stand up and speak now or mute forever :D I was considering Epson w5300 solely because its LCD and it would make it playing games a pleasant experience. And its cheap(er)

IDK lol

#52
Posted 10/19/2017 04:42 PM   
If you're happy, great! Though to be clear, all other projectors are measured in ANSI lumens too. They are all mostly 2000-3000 even discounting the "clear" segment in the colour wheel. Re: sound quality. It is physically impossible for a speaker of that size to produce "quality" sound. Re: wifi: Most projectors do have network functionality. If not wifi, then a $5 wifi adapter can be bought to adapt the projector's Ethernet port. Re: Lamp. There is a reason no quality projector uses LED - the brightness is too low. The projector has the main purpose of displaying a great large picture. LED lamp limits the largeness of the picture because the brightness diminishes according to the inverse square law. You might get 300" but it will be dim, especially with 3D vision. To be fit for purpose, it needs to be bright, and this requires an arc lamp. These are expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for. For reference, my projector is 3000 lumens, admittedly with a small clear segment. However, with 3D Vision, I still have a need to use a 2.5 gain glass bead screen to make it comfortably bright for viewing. The other alternative is white laser, which give high brightness AND long life, but cost $$$$. At the end of the day, no one is going to force you to change your mind. Whatever you choose is up to you. I hope it goes well for you :)
If you're happy, great!

Though to be clear, all other projectors are measured in ANSI lumens too. They are all mostly 2000-3000 even discounting the "clear" segment in the colour wheel.

Re: sound quality. It is physically impossible for a speaker of that size to produce "quality" sound.
Re: wifi: Most projectors do have network functionality. If not wifi, then a $5 wifi adapter can be bought to adapt the projector's Ethernet port.

Re: Lamp. There is a reason no quality projector uses LED - the brightness is too low. The projector has the main purpose of displaying a great large picture. LED lamp limits the largeness of the picture because the brightness diminishes according to the inverse square law. You might get 300" but it will be dim, especially with 3D vision.

To be fit for purpose, it needs to be bright, and this requires an arc lamp. These are expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.

For reference, my projector is 3000 lumens, admittedly with a small clear segment. However, with 3D Vision, I still have a need to use a 2.5 gain glass bead screen to make it comfortably bright for viewing.

The other alternative is white laser, which give high brightness AND long life, but cost $$$$.

At the end of the day, no one is going to force you to change your mind. Whatever you choose is up to you. I hope it goes well for you :)

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#53
Posted 10/19/2017 05:13 PM   
It never seizes to amaze me how people think product A is as good as product B though there is huge Price difference. Demand Sets the prices, nothing else. There is a reason why Something costs something, reason wery rarely is just for fun or greed. I think its funny how people expect to get great quality projectors cheap. Basic Decent projector costs 1000€ and over. 2000€-> you get really enjoyable projectors. And 600-1000€ you can get great used projector. Eather good image or high lightoutput, Never both, and many times these projectors Are quite noisy over 1000€ because quality optics cost. Most cheap projectors use plastic in the optics. I paid 450€ for my polarizing filtter. The polarizer itself between the glass squares costs about couple Euros/bucks THE GLASS costs the rest. Go and check out what costs prime glass for dslr camera, basic one piece Optic. Good quality is easily half of cheap projector. Like i said glass just costs. And glass is not all that costs in projector.
It never seizes to amaze me how people think product A is as good as product B though there is huge Price difference.

Demand Sets the prices, nothing else.
There is a reason why Something costs something, reason wery rarely is just for fun or greed.

I think its funny how people expect to get great quality projectors cheap.
Basic Decent projector costs 1000€ and over.
2000€-> you get really enjoyable projectors.
And 600-1000€ you can get great used projector. Eather good image or high lightoutput,
Never both, and many times these projectors Are quite noisy

over 1000€ because quality optics cost. Most cheap projectors use plastic in the optics.
I paid 450€ for my polarizing filtter. The polarizer itself between the glass squares costs about couple
Euros/bucks THE GLASS costs the rest. Go and check out what costs prime glass for dslr camera, basic one piece
Optic. Good quality is easily half of cheap projector. Like i said glass just costs.
And glass is not all that costs in projector.

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#54
Posted 10/19/2017 06:38 PM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]If you're happy, great! Though to be clear, all other projectors are measured in ANSI lumens too. They are all mostly 2000-3000 even discounting the "clear" segment in the colour wheel. Re: Lamp. There is a reason no quality projector uses LED - the brightness is too low... To be fit for purpose, it needs to be bright, and this requires an arc lamp. These are expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for. For reference, my projector is 3000 lumens, admittedly with a small clear segment. However, with 3D Vision, I still have a need to use a 2.5 gain glass bead screen... I hope it goes well for you :) [/quote] oh man. So i will have to spend a grand plus 200 dollar or more on screen ? Well cwap. I just wanna use my wall. Arent there any cheap bright 3lcd out there? Because dlp is just low on light. How big picture do you have? Are dlp projecrors better for 3d? Ugh this is getting expensive. I might just get cheap tv or monitor and wait for new projector releases because lamps are gerring cheaper for example epson 5350 i think has 50dollar lamp. I think i might stick to epson if i buy anything. No brightness problem, no color problem, no dithering, no color shift, no failing lamps like optoma, no dust issue like in benq, ...
RAGEdemon said:If you're happy, great!

Though to be clear, all other projectors are measured in ANSI lumens too. They are all mostly 2000-3000 even discounting the "clear" segment in the colour wheel.
Re: Lamp. There is a reason no quality projector uses LED - the brightness is too low...
To be fit for purpose, it needs to be bright, and this requires an arc lamp. These are expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.

For reference, my projector is 3000 lumens, admittedly with a small clear segment. However, with 3D Vision, I still have a need to use a 2.5 gain glass bead screen... I hope it goes well for you :)



oh man. So i will have to spend a grand plus 200 dollar or more on screen ? Well cwap. I just wanna use my wall. Arent there any cheap bright 3lcd out there? Because dlp is just low on light. How big picture do you have? Are dlp projecrors better for 3d? Ugh this is getting expensive. I might just get cheap tv or monitor and wait for new projector releases because lamps are gerring cheaper for example epson 5350 i think has 50dollar lamp. I think i might stick to epson if i buy anything. No brightness problem, no color problem, no dithering, no color shift, no failing lamps like optoma, no dust issue like in benq, ...

#55
Posted 10/21/2017 08:36 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]If you're happy, great! Though to be clear, all other projectors are measured in ANSI lumens too. They are all mostly 2000-3000 even discounting the "clear" segment in the colour wheel. Re: Lamp. There is a reason no quality projector uses LED - the brightness is too low... To be fit for purpose, it needs to be bright, and this requires an arc lamp. These are expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for. For reference, my projector is 3000 lumens, admittedly with a small clear segment. However, with 3D Vision, I still have a need to use a 2.5 gain glass bead screen... I hope it goes well for you :) [/quote] oh man. So i will have to spend a grand plus 200 dollar or more on screen ? Well cwap. I just wanna use my wall. Arent there any cheap bright 3lcd out there? Because dlp is just low on light. How big picture do you have? Are dlp projecrors better for 3d? Ugh this is getting expensive. I might just get cheap tv or monitor and wait for new projector releases because lamps are gerring cheaper for example epson 5350 i think has 50dollar lamp. I think i might stick to epson if i buy anything. No brightness problem, no color problem, no dithering, no color shift, no failing lamps like optoma, no dust issue like in benq, ...
RAGEdemon said:If you're happy, great!

Though to be clear, all other projectors are measured in ANSI lumens too. They are all mostly 2000-3000 even discounting the "clear" segment in the colour wheel.
Re: Lamp. There is a reason no quality projector uses LED - the brightness is too low...
To be fit for purpose, it needs to be bright, and this requires an arc lamp. These are expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for.

For reference, my projector is 3000 lumens, admittedly with a small clear segment. However, with 3D Vision, I still have a need to use a 2.5 gain glass bead screen... I hope it goes well for you :)



oh man. So i will have to spend a grand plus 200 dollar or more on screen ? Well cwap. I just wanna use my wall. Arent there any cheap bright 3lcd out there? Because dlp is just low on light. How big picture do you have? Are dlp projecrors better for 3d? Ugh this is getting expensive. I might just get cheap tv or monitor and wait for new projector releases because lamps are gerring cheaper for example epson 5350 i think has 50dollar lamp. I think i might stick to epson if i buy anything. No brightness problem, no color problem, no dithering, no color shift, no failing lamps like optoma, no dust issue like in benq, ...

#56
Posted 10/21/2017 08:49 AM   
Hello guys. i managed to order Benq ht2050" projector. i will have it tomorrow. i checked the link Pirateguybrush posted and understand that i will need to change the INF file with the one added for downloading... but if it will not work.. how to tell which inf projector model file will suit my Benq? i am not intrested in 3dtv option. i want to use my emmiter and Nvidia glasses. i still don't know how to use the Moniter Assest manager. i guess i will have to use it but i am not sure. thanks guys
Hello guys.

i managed to order Benq ht2050" projector. i will have it tomorrow.
i checked the link Pirateguybrush posted and understand that i will need to change the INF file with the one added for downloading... but if it will not work.. how to tell which inf projector model file will suit my Benq?
i am not intrested in 3dtv option. i want to use my emmiter and Nvidia glasses.
i still don't know how to use the Moniter Assest manager. i guess i will have to use it but i am not sure.

thanks guys

#57
Posted 10/28/2017 09:56 AM   
So i got the projector in one piece, plugged it in, fired it up and.... boy isn't it a beauty!!! very very quiet. i have 2.8m wide picture and such an amazing quality! i could'nt be happier. i bought a suitable screen for it. my older screen is 1.8 and i don't want to resize the picture.. as for 3d. by default it gave me 3DTV LOGO so i used ACER H5360 inf which workes well. thing is i can only use 768x1024. not a big deal even thou i hoped to use 800x1280. maybe a different INF of another projector will do? i don't know. can anyone recommend ? anyway... imo no moniter can beat this whatsoever.
So i got the projector in one piece, plugged it in, fired it up and.... boy isn't it a beauty!!! very very quiet. i have 2.8m wide picture and such an amazing quality! i could'nt be happier. i bought a suitable screen for it. my older screen is 1.8 and i don't want to resize the picture.. as for 3d. by default it gave me 3DTV LOGO so i used ACER H5360 inf which workes well. thing is i can only use 768x1024. not a big deal even thou i hoped to use 800x1280. maybe a different INF of another projector will do? i don't know. can anyone recommend ?
anyway... imo no moniter can beat this whatsoever.

#58
Posted 11/01/2017 11:51 AM   
[quote="Hanangabai"]So i got the projector in one piece, plugged it in, fired it up and.... boy isn't it a beauty!!! very very quiet. i have 2.8m wide picture and such an amazing quality! i could'nt be happier. i bought a suitable screen for it. my older screen is 1.8 and i don't want to resize the picture.. as for 3d. by default it gave me 3DTV LOGO so i used ACER H5360 inf which workes well. thing is i can only use 768x1024. not a big deal even thou i hoped to use 800x1280. maybe a different INF of another projector will do? i don't know. can anyone recommend ? anyway... imo no moniter can beat this whatsoever. [/quote] Hows 3D gaming? How is if you just put it on the wall? Im eye-ing Optoma HD182x or HD183x 720p cus its like sub 400€, the territory where old samsung TV`s are. On one hand i adore 3D, on another id rather wait couple months to buy better with more money, on the other hand id like to see gen 2 VR... Can you check how its 2D and 3D movie at 1080p vs 720p. I wonder if its worth it for movies. Also i wish i had more money :P
Hanangabai said:So i got the projector in one piece, plugged it in, fired it up and.... boy isn't it a beauty!!! very very quiet. i have 2.8m wide picture and such an amazing quality! i could'nt be happier. i bought a suitable screen for it. my older screen is 1.8 and i don't want to resize the picture.. as for 3d. by default it gave me 3DTV LOGO so i used ACER H5360 inf which workes well. thing is i can only use 768x1024. not a big deal even thou i hoped to use 800x1280. maybe a different INF of another projector will do? i don't know. can anyone recommend ?
anyway... imo no moniter can beat this whatsoever.



Hows 3D gaming? How is if you just put it on the wall? Im eye-ing Optoma HD182x or HD183x 720p cus its like sub 400€, the territory where old samsung TV`s are.

On one hand i adore 3D, on another id rather wait couple months to buy better with more money, on the other hand id like to see gen 2 VR...

Can you check how its 2D and 3D movie at 1080p vs 720p. I wonder if its worth it for movies.

Also i wish i had more money :P

#59
Posted 11/05/2017 02:56 PM   
[quote="Hanangabai"]So i got the projector in one piece, plugged it in, fired it up and.... boy isn't it a beauty!!! very very quiet. i have 2.8m wide picture and such an amazing quality! i could'nt be happier. i bought a suitable screen for it. my older screen is 1.8 and i don't want to resize the picture.. as for 3d. by default it gave me 3DTV LOGO so i used ACER H5360 inf which workes well. thing is i can only use 768x1024. not a big deal even thou i hoped to use 800x1280. maybe a different INF of another projector will do? i don't know. can anyone recommend ? anyway... imo no moniter can beat this whatsoever. [/quote] Does the projector support 3DTV play? If it does you can do 1080p Top And Bottom with 3D Migoto mode or 720p for older titles out of the box.
Hanangabai said:So i got the projector in one piece, plugged it in, fired it up and.... boy isn't it a beauty!!! very very quiet. i have 2.8m wide picture and such an amazing quality! i could'nt be happier. i bought a suitable screen for it. my older screen is 1.8 and i don't want to resize the picture.. as for 3d. by default it gave me 3DTV LOGO so i used ACER H5360 inf which workes well. thing is i can only use 768x1024. not a big deal even thou i hoped to use 800x1280. maybe a different INF of another projector will do? i don't know. can anyone recommend ?
anyway... imo no moniter can beat this whatsoever.


Does the projector support 3DTV play? If it does you can do 1080p Top And Bottom with 3D Migoto mode or 720p for older titles out of the box.

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#60
Posted 11/05/2017 03:02 PM   
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