[url="http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/wireless-news/mi_hb5558/is_20100106/tdvision-systems-cyberlink-partner-develop/ai_n45771291/"]TDVision Systems and CyberLink Partner to Develop HD Stereoscopic[/url]
[url="http://us.generation-nt.com/tdvision-systems-cyberlink-announce-full-hd-stereoscopic-video-press-1972131.html"]TDVision Systems and CyberLink Announce Full HD Stereoscopic Video Decoding Solution Compatible with NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢[/url]
[url="http://3dguy.tv/tdvision-systems-showcased-the-entire-full-hd-stereoscopic-ecosystem-at-ces-2010/"]TDVision Systems Showcased the Entire Full HD Stereoscopic Ecosystem at CES 2010[/url]
Cyberlink PowerDVD8 is enabled to read 3D blu-ray discs
3DTV StereoPlayer and nVidia 3DVision has the capability to playback 3D Videostreams
for the records: TDVision was the first company in the world to show a 3D Blu-ray disc since 2008 (yeah, 2 years ago):
[url="http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1303"]3D Blu-ray Closer to Reality[/url]
took 2 years to the industry to adopt us, but now it's going to be everywhere!
Cheers,
Manuel.
p.s. you can always drive your 3D display with a PC and content of many kinds including videogames, and by the way, we not only created the 2D+Delta/MVC/TDVCodec, but we also invented the dynamic convergence you will see used in all the stereoscopic videogames from now on.[/quote]
haha it looks like the guy was hitting on his chest when he was wroting this e-mail... one thing is for sure, from now on i won't doubt about anything that relates to tdvision... he only forgot to write on the end "suck it, bitches!" lol
Anyway, we still have nothing about our predicament
took 2 years to the industry to adopt us, but now it's going to be everywhere!
Cheers,
Manuel.
p.s. you can always drive your 3D display with a PC and content of many kinds including videogames, and by the way, we not only created the 2D+Delta/MVC/TDVCodec, but we also invented the dynamic convergence you will see used in all the stereoscopic videogames from now on.
haha it looks like the guy was hitting on his chest when he was wroting this e-mail... one thing is for sure, from now on i won't doubt about anything that relates to tdvision... he only forgot to write on the end "suck it, bitches!" lol
Anyway, we still have nothing about our predicament
hahaha this is a copy and paste response to me lol... I don't think he understands the Q tho!
[quote]Thanks for the quick reply!
The problem I have is when I play the M2TS files, they are in 2D. It seems that all of these players don't interpret the data in the SSIF file, is there a codec that I would need to download to view this? The image in the M2TS file is not in any visible 3D format (Side by Side, Over/Under, Frame Sequential), it is just a basic 2D image. When this disc is put in a stand-alone 3D blu ray player, the option is there to switch to 3D mode and it works in perfect 120Hz Frame Sequential format. Please, any help to get this working would be greatly appriciated!
Thanks
From: Manuel R. Gutierrez Novelo [mailto:admin@tdvision.com]
Sent: 28 April 2010 21:55
To: Mark Forbes
Cc: info@tdvision.com
Subject: Re: 3D Bluray playback
The SSIF file is binary file, the "StereoScopic Information File" it determines the encryption, the DRM and the type of 3D contained on the disk (separate streams for each eye, type of Delta, etc.)
the files you need to play are the .m2ts, the SSIF is the key to understand the information inside the .m2ts for protection purposes.
TDVision Systems and CyberLink Partner to Develop HD Stereoscopic
TDVision Systems and CyberLink Announce Full HD Stereoscopic Video Decoding Solution Compatible with NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢
TDVision Systems Showcased the Entire Full HD Stereoscopic Ecosystem at CES 2010
Cyberlink PowerDVD8 is enabled to read 3D blu-ray discs
3DTV StereoPlayer and nVidia 3DVision has the capability to playback 3D Videostreams
for the records: TDVision was the first company in the world to show a 3D Blu-ray disc since 2008 (yeah, 2 years ago):
3D Blu-ray Closer to Reality
took 2 years to the industry to adopt us, but now it's going to be everywhere!
Cheers,
Manuel.
p.s. you can always drive your 3D display with a PC and content of many kinds including videogames, and by the way, we not only created the 2D+Delta/MVC/TDVCodec, but we also invented the dynamic convergence you will see used in all the stereoscopic videogames from now on. A firmware update will be available for the PS3 soon.[/quote]
hahaha this is a copy and paste response to me lol... I don't think he understands the Q tho!
Thanks for the quick reply!
The problem I have is when I play the M2TS files, they are in 2D. It seems that all of these players don't interpret the data in the SSIF file, is there a codec that I would need to download to view this? The image in the M2TS file is not in any visible 3D format (Side by Side, Over/Under, Frame Sequential), it is just a basic 2D image. When this disc is put in a stand-alone 3D blu ray player, the option is there to switch to 3D mode and it works in perfect 120Hz Frame Sequential format. Please, any help to get this working would be greatly appriciated!
Thanks
From: Manuel R. Gutierrez Novelo [mailto:admin@tdvision.com]
Sent: 28 April 2010 21:55
To: Mark Forbes
Cc: info@tdvision.com
Subject: Re: 3D Bluray playback
The SSIF file is binary file, the "StereoScopic Information File" it determines the encryption, the DRM and the type of 3D contained on the disk (separate streams for each eye, type of Delta, etc.)
the files you need to play are the .m2ts, the SSIF is the key to understand the information inside the .m2ts for protection purposes.
TDVision Systems and CyberLink Partner to Develop HD Stereoscopic
TDVision Systems and CyberLink Announce Full HD Stereoscopic Video Decoding Solution Compatible with NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢
TDVision Systems Showcased the Entire Full HD Stereoscopic Ecosystem at CES 2010
Cyberlink PowerDVD8 is enabled to read 3D blu-ray discs
3DTV StereoPlayer and nVidia 3DVision has the capability to playback 3D Videostreams
for the records: TDVision was the first company in the world to show a 3D Blu-ray disc since 2008 (yeah, 2 years ago):
3D Blu-ray Closer to Reality
took 2 years to the industry to adopt us, but now it's going to be everywhere!
Cheers,
Manuel.
p.s. you can always drive your 3D display with a PC and content of many kinds including videogames, and by the way, we not only created the 2D+Delta/MVC/TDVCodec, but we also invented the dynamic convergence you will see used in all the stereoscopic videogames from now on. A firmware update will be available for the PS3 soon.
According to the Nvidia compatibility page the only 200 series card that will support 3D Bluray Playback is the GT 240??
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.
According to the Nvidia compatibility page the only 200 series card that will support 3D Bluray Playback is the GT 240??
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.
[quote]Did you try using the latest cyberlink PowerDVD? it's ready to read 3D Blu-ray discs.
[b]the M2ts files correspond one to the left (2D) and one for the Delta, even are 2D an odd terminations are the Delta[/b].[/quote]
Think we might be looking at this the wrong way! I looks like the SSIF files only hold the information about the 3D content, the actual content is held in the even/odd M2TS files. Think the codec will still be needed to open the odd files though as when I try to load one left/one right in SS Player it still crashes.
Slightly further forward though! Dreaming awake, i'll download that codec tonight, that might just work!
Did you try using the latest cyberlink PowerDVD? it's ready to read 3D Blu-ray discs.
the M2ts files correspond one to the left (2D) and one for the Delta, even are 2D an odd terminations are the Delta.
Think we might be looking at this the wrong way! I looks like the SSIF files only hold the information about the 3D content, the actual content is held in the even/odd M2TS files. Think the codec will still be needed to open the odd files though as when I try to load one left/one right in SS Player it still crashes.
Slightly further forward though! Dreaming awake, i'll download that codec tonight, that might just work!
Nice information gathering guys, I am also surprised you got a detailed spec on what the SSIF file is all about.
So my question to anyone who has the disc ripped you are able to play just the M2TS file aren't you obviously in 2D ?
[quote name='Grizzly Addams' post='1047141' date='Apr 29 2010, 04:51 AM']According to the Nvidia compatibility page the only 200 series card that will support 3D Bluray Playback is the GT 240??
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.[/quote]
I imagine they actually meant you need at least a 240.
[quote name='Grizzly Addams' post='1047141' date='Apr 29 2010, 04:51 AM']According to the Nvidia compatibility page the only 200 series card that will support 3D Bluray Playback is the GT 240??
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.
I imagine they actually meant you need at least a 240.
Another e-mail, now from the 3dtv guy, Peter Wimmer, who created the Stereoscopic Player (3dtv.at):
[quote]Dear Matheus,
I also have the Monsters vs. Aliens Blu-ray disk and cannot play it either. But of course I’m highly interested to support Blu-ray, and will work on the decoder the next few weeks.
Best regards,
Peter[/quote]
"weeks" on plural is a little too much , isn't? /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />
Another e-mail, now from the 3dtv guy, Peter Wimmer, who created the Stereoscopic Player (3dtv.at):
Dear Matheus,
I also have the Monsters vs. Aliens Blu-ray disk and cannot play it either. But of course I’m highly interested to support Blu-ray, and will work on the decoder the next few weeks.
Best regards,
Peter
"weeks" on plural is a little too much , isn't? /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />
[quote name='bullripper' post='1047427' date='Apr 29 2010, 01:11 PM']Anybody able to answer the question if your able to play the M2TS files at all ?[/quote]
yes, m2ts plays like a regular video file, with sound and everything (well, not everything :unsure: )
just recieved this, will try it when I get home
[quote]Mark,
The stream is encoded using MVC (MultiViewVideoCoding). The codecs you have installed are not MVC, therefore, you can not read the Delta file.
MVC uses the first primary videostream (Left eye) as 2D. A secondary stream, stored into a different Network Abstraction Layer Unit NALu contains the Delta, or the differences of the file needed to obtain Right from the 2DLeft view, presented as Motion Estimation Vectors, this is called IntraView coding.
You can read the 2D version (Left) because it's compatible with H.264 and it's stored into the primary section, but you can't read the Delta (Right) because it's stored in a different NALu.
If you don't have an updated MVC codec (seems you don't have it since you are using Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder) you won't be able to play back the file.
Try this:
Open nvidia stereoscopic player, go to settings, decoder and under the "Video Decoder" search for Cyberlink (if you have installed the latest version), or try selecting MPEG4 and click "ADD", a list of compatible codecs will appear, try finding "TDVision Decoder 3" or the latest Cyberlink MVC decoder, any of them will work.
If you don't have the latest MVC codecs installed then you won't be able to playback the 3D version of the BD.
If you have purchased the latest version of the PowerDVD Cyberlink BD Player then the codecs should be installed and you will be able to install the codec and playback 3D Blu-ray discs with no problem.
Who did you contacted at Cyberlink? the information they gave you does not match with the information we have.
The stream is encoded using MVC (MultiViewVideoCoding). The codecs you have installed are not MVC, therefore, you can not read the Delta file.
MVC uses the first primary videostream (Left eye) as 2D. A secondary stream, stored into a different Network Abstraction Layer Unit NALu contains the Delta, or the differences of the file needed to obtain Right from the 2DLeft view, presented as Motion Estimation Vectors, this is called IntraView coding.
You can read the 2D version (Left) because it's compatible with H.264 and it's stored into the primary section, but you can't read the Delta (Right) because it's stored in a different NALu.
If you don't have an updated MVC codec (seems you don't have it since you are using Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder) you won't be able to play back the file.
Try this:
Open nvidia stereoscopic player, go to settings, decoder and under the "Video Decoder" search for Cyberlink (if you have installed the latest version), or try selecting MPEG4 and click "ADD", a list of compatible codecs will appear, try finding "TDVision Decoder 3" or the latest Cyberlink MVC decoder, any of them will work.
If you don't have the latest MVC codecs installed then you won't be able to playback the 3D version of the BD.
If you have purchased the latest version of the PowerDVD Cyberlink BD Player then the codecs should be installed and you will be able to install the codec and playback 3D Blu-ray discs with no problem.
Who did you contacted at Cyberlink? the information they gave you does not match with the information we have.
[quote name='twisterbr' post='1047490' date='Apr 29 2010, 06:41 PM']yes, m2ts plays like a regular video file, with sound and everything (well, not everything :unsure: )[/quote]
just remember though, for 1080p would really need a quad core system! otherwise any small background task will result in choppy playback
[quote name='twisterbr' post='1047490' date='Apr 29 2010, 06:41 PM']yes, m2ts plays like a regular video file, with sound and everything (well, not everything :unsure: )
just remember though, for 1080p would really need a quad core system! otherwise any small background task will result in choppy playback
[quote]Please let the world know:
[url="http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/wireless-news/mi_hb5558/is_20100106/tdvision-systems-cyberlink-partner-develop/ai_n45771291/"]TDVision Systems and CyberLink Partner to Develop HD Stereoscopic[/url]
[url="http://us.generation-nt.com/tdvision-systems-cyberlink-announce-full-hd-stereoscopic-video-press-1972131.html"]TDVision Systems and CyberLink Announce Full HD Stereoscopic Video Decoding Solution Compatible with NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢[/url]
[url="http://3dguy.tv/tdvision-systems-showcased-the-entire-full-hd-stereoscopic-ecosystem-at-ces-2010/"]TDVision Systems Showcased the Entire Full HD Stereoscopic Ecosystem at CES 2010[/url]
Cyberlink PowerDVD8 is enabled to read 3D blu-ray discs
3DTV StereoPlayer and nVidia 3DVision has the capability to playback 3D Videostreams
for the records: TDVision was the first company in the world to show a 3D Blu-ray disc since 2008 (yeah, 2 years ago):
[url="http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1303"]3D Blu-ray Closer to Reality[/url]
took 2 years to the industry to adopt us, but now it's going to be everywhere!
Cheers,
Manuel.
p.s. you can always drive your 3D display with a PC and content of many kinds including videogames, and by the way, we not only created the 2D+Delta/MVC/TDVCodec, but we also invented the dynamic convergence you will see used in all the stereoscopic videogames from now on.[/quote]
haha it looks like the guy was hitting on his chest when he was wroting this e-mail... one thing is for sure, from now on i won't doubt about anything that relates to tdvision... he only forgot to write on the end "suck it, bitches!" lol
Anyway, we still have nothing about our predicament
haha it looks like the guy was hitting on his chest when he was wroting this e-mail... one thing is for sure, from now on i won't doubt about anything that relates to tdvision... he only forgot to write on the end "suck it, bitches!" lol
Anyway, we still have nothing about our predicament
[quote]Thanks for the quick reply!
The problem I have is when I play the M2TS files, they are in 2D. It seems that all of these players don't interpret the data in the SSIF file, is there a codec that I would need to download to view this? The image in the M2TS file is not in any visible 3D format (Side by Side, Over/Under, Frame Sequential), it is just a basic 2D image. When this disc is put in a stand-alone 3D blu ray player, the option is there to switch to 3D mode and it works in perfect 120Hz Frame Sequential format. Please, any help to get this working would be greatly appriciated!
Thanks
From: Manuel R. Gutierrez Novelo [mailto:admin@tdvision.com]
Sent: 28 April 2010 21:55
To: Mark Forbes
Cc: info@tdvision.com
Subject: Re: 3D Bluray playback
The SSIF file is binary file, the "StereoScopic Information File" it determines the encryption, the DRM and the type of 3D contained on the disk (separate streams for each eye, type of Delta, etc.)
the files you need to play are the .m2ts, the SSIF is the key to understand the information inside the .m2ts for protection purposes.
TDVision Systems and CyberLink Partner to Develop HD Stereoscopic
TDVision Systems and CyberLink Announce Full HD Stereoscopic Video Decoding Solution Compatible with NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢
TDVision Systems Showcased the Entire Full HD Stereoscopic Ecosystem at CES 2010
Cyberlink PowerDVD8 is enabled to read 3D blu-ray discs
3DTV StereoPlayer and nVidia 3DVision has the capability to playback 3D Videostreams
for the records: TDVision was the first company in the world to show a 3D Blu-ray disc since 2008 (yeah, 2 years ago):
3D Blu-ray Closer to Reality
took 2 years to the industry to adopt us, but now it's going to be everywhere!
Cheers,
Manuel.
p.s. you can always drive your 3D display with a PC and content of many kinds including videogames, and by the way, we not only created the 2D+Delta/MVC/TDVCodec, but we also invented the dynamic convergence you will see used in all the stereoscopic videogames from now on. A firmware update will be available for the PS3 soon.[/quote]
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.
[quote]Did you try using the latest cyberlink PowerDVD? it's ready to read 3D Blu-ray discs.
[b]the M2ts files correspond one to the left (2D) and one for the Delta, even are 2D an odd terminations are the Delta[/b].[/quote]
Think we might be looking at this the wrong way! I looks like the SSIF files only hold the information about the 3D content, the actual content is held in the even/odd M2TS files. Think the codec will still be needed to open the odd files though as when I try to load one left/one right in SS Player it still crashes.
Slightly further forward though! Dreaming awake, i'll download that codec tonight, that might just work!
Think we might be looking at this the wrong way! I looks like the SSIF files only hold the information about the 3D content, the actual content is held in the even/odd M2TS files. Think the codec will still be needed to open the odd files though as when I try to load one left/one right in SS Player it still crashes.
Slightly further forward though! Dreaming awake, i'll download that codec tonight, that might just work!
So my question to anyone who has the disc ripped you are able to play just the M2TS file aren't you obviously in 2D ?
So my question to anyone who has the disc ripped you are able to play just the M2TS file aren't you obviously in 2D ?
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.[/quote]
I imagine they actually meant you need at least a 240.
How can this be possible? Are they just trying to drive sales of the 400 series while still offering a low cost solution on the market for those who simply cannot afford it otherwise?
As a person who has invested almost $1000 into my new nVidia 3D vision system, I simply can't understand why I shouldn't be able to use my GTX260 (or 295 or whatever!) to watch 3D Blurays.
I imagine they actually meant you need at least a 240.
[quote]Dear Matheus,
I also have the Monsters vs. Aliens Blu-ray disk and cannot play it either. But of course I’m highly interested to support Blu-ray, and will work on the decoder the next few weeks.
Best regards,
Peter[/quote]
"weeks" on plural is a little too much , isn't?
"weeks" on plural is a little too much , isn't?
yes, m2ts plays like a regular video file, with sound and everything (well, not everything :unsure: )
yes, m2ts plays like a regular video file, with sound and everything (well, not everything :unsure: )
[quote]Mark,
The stream is encoded using MVC (MultiViewVideoCoding). The codecs you have installed are not MVC, therefore, you can not read the Delta file.
MVC uses the first primary videostream (Left eye) as 2D. A secondary stream, stored into a different Network Abstraction Layer Unit NALu contains the Delta, or the differences of the file needed to obtain Right from the 2DLeft view, presented as Motion Estimation Vectors, this is called IntraView coding.
You can read the 2D version (Left) because it's compatible with H.264 and it's stored into the primary section, but you can't read the Delta (Right) because it's stored in a different NALu.
If you don't have an updated MVC codec (seems you don't have it since you are using Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder) you won't be able to play back the file.
Try this:
Open nvidia stereoscopic player, go to settings, decoder and under the "Video Decoder" search for Cyberlink (if you have installed the latest version), or try selecting MPEG4 and click "ADD", a list of compatible codecs will appear, try finding "TDVision Decoder 3" or the latest Cyberlink MVC decoder, any of them will work.
If you don't have the latest MVC codecs installed then you won't be able to playback the 3D version of the BD.
If you have purchased the latest version of the PowerDVD Cyberlink BD Player then the codecs should be installed and you will be able to install the codec and playback 3D Blu-ray discs with no problem.
Who did you contacted at Cyberlink? the information they gave you does not match with the information we have.
Manuel.[/quote]
just remember though, for 1080p would really need a quad core system! otherwise any small background task will result in choppy playback
just remember though, for 1080p would really need a quad core system! otherwise any small background task will result in choppy playback