DEVs now can ban in steam for using mods
can they ban if i'm using helixmod fixes (GTA5) ?
can they ban if i'm using helixmod fixes (GTA5) ?

#1
Posted 04/30/2015 03:28 PM   
Rockstar could always ban you from playing online for using mods. Nothing has changed here. It always went through Rockstar servers.
Rockstar could always ban you from playing online for using mods. Nothing has changed here. It always went through Rockstar servers.

#2
Posted 04/30/2015 03:34 PM   
but i'm playing gta5 on steam, they haven't banned me yet, who knows if they now can. or fixes are not mods ?
but i'm playing gta5 on steam, they haven't banned me yet, who knows if they now can. or fixes are not mods ?

#3
Posted 04/30/2015 03:44 PM   
They're mods. And injectors at that. It's always been an asterisk that these things could technically get you banned from an online game. And since Rockstar has always controlled their online servers, they've always been able to ban you at their whim. Are they likely to ban you for using a 3D Helix fix? No. It'd be incredibly stupid and they'd get major PR backlash from doing something so stupid. But technically, it's always been a risk you had to assume. This new initiative seems more related to smaller developers (who don't run their own online services). Smaller developers, however, also tend to be in tune with their audience. So I doubly doubt any one of them would be dumb enough to ban over a purely cosmetic injector.
They're mods. And injectors at that. It's always been an asterisk that these things could technically get you banned from an online game. And since Rockstar has always controlled their online servers, they've always been able to ban you at their whim.

Are they likely to ban you for using a 3D Helix fix? No. It'd be incredibly stupid and they'd get major PR backlash from doing something so stupid. But technically, it's always been a risk you had to assume.

This new initiative seems more related to smaller developers (who don't run their own online services). Smaller developers, however, also tend to be in tune with their audience. So I doubly doubt any one of them would be dumb enough to ban over a purely cosmetic injector.

#4
Posted 04/30/2015 04:04 PM   
[quote="Paul33993"]This new initiative seems more related to smaller developers[/quote] it was coming from Rockstar, actually. it is good there is no need to use fix for gta5.
Paul33993 said:This new initiative seems more related to smaller developers


it was coming from Rockstar, actually. it is good there is no need to use fix for gta5.

#5
Posted 04/30/2015 04:13 PM   
[quote="mistersvin"][quote="Paul33993"]This new initiative seems more related to smaller developers[/quote] it was coming from Rockstar, actually. it is good there is no need to use fix for gta5.[/quote] Just went and looked at Eurogamer to see exactly what this was. It's some grade A bullSH@T from Rockstar. Here's the thing: Rockstar has always run their own service for GTA online play. So they could ban you from online play whenever they thought it appropriate. Now it seems they can have the game banned from your account? If that's the policy, that's pretty outrageous on behalf of Rockstar/Valve. It still doesn't change the fact Rockstar always had the potential to ban you for using injectors. It just means now they can ban you from flat out ever playing the game again (instead of just banning you from online play). That's a pretty nuclear option. If they start banning people for things like Helix/SweetFX, the internet will burn them at the stake. If they thought the Skyrim paid mods was a debacle, they'll really have outrage if this starts getting abused. EDIT: It seems like the Eurogamer article may have sensationalized things? How easy was it for people to create duplicate Rockstar Social accounts? I honestly never signed up for it and just did my single player through GFWL. I'm guessing it was easy to just create a duplicate account if banned online? So this probably is a good policy. If you purchase the game through Steam, and Rockstar bans you for cheating online, there should be a way to prevent these people from just creating a new Rockstar ID (for ONLINE play). Their Steam account should be flagged for that game and prevent them from continuing their actions. Having said this, I'm referring to real cheats. The day Rockstar starts going after injectors like Helix/SweetFX is the day the internet melts to its core.
mistersvin said:
Paul33993 said:This new initiative seems more related to smaller developers


it was coming from Rockstar, actually. it is good there is no need to use fix for gta5.


Just went and looked at Eurogamer to see exactly what this was. It's some grade A bullSH@T from Rockstar.

Here's the thing: Rockstar has always run their own service for GTA online play. So they could ban you from online play whenever they thought it appropriate. Now it seems they can have the game banned from your account? If that's the policy, that's pretty outrageous on behalf of Rockstar/Valve.

It still doesn't change the fact Rockstar always had the potential to ban you for using injectors. It just means now they can ban you from flat out ever playing the game again (instead of just banning you from online play). That's a pretty nuclear option. If they start banning people for things like Helix/SweetFX, the internet will burn them at the stake. If they thought the Skyrim paid mods was a debacle, they'll really have outrage if this starts getting abused.

EDIT: It seems like the Eurogamer article may have sensationalized things? How easy was it for people to create duplicate Rockstar Social accounts? I honestly never signed up for it and just did my single player through GFWL. I'm guessing it was easy to just create a duplicate account if banned online? So this probably is a good policy. If you purchase the game through Steam, and Rockstar bans you for cheating online, there should be a way to prevent these people from just creating a new Rockstar ID (for ONLINE play). Their Steam account should be flagged for that game and prevent them from continuing their actions.

Having said this, I'm referring to real cheats. The day Rockstar starts going after injectors like Helix/SweetFX is the day the internet melts to its core.

#6
Posted 04/30/2015 04:50 PM   
If you look on YouTube, there are all kinds of crazy hacks for GTA 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da0IgiZJ1oE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdWspJvUNQ0
If you look on YouTube, there are all kinds of crazy hacks for GTA 5



#7
Posted 04/30/2015 09:21 PM   
Yeah. I don't have a problem with Rockstar wanting to keep garbage out of their online game (and ruining other's experience). Can't believe they'd ever go after Helix/SweetFX since they're completely cosmetic and don't affect others experience at all. A lot of this is just stupid. If they need Valve's help (somehow) in order to keep the multi-player servers clean of this non-sense, sounds completely reasonable to me.
Yeah. I don't have a problem with Rockstar wanting to keep garbage out of their online game (and ruining other's experience). Can't believe they'd ever go after Helix/SweetFX since they're completely cosmetic and don't affect others experience at all.

A lot of this is just stupid. If they need Valve's help (somehow) in order to keep the multi-player servers clean of this non-sense, sounds completely reasonable to me.

#8
Posted 04/30/2015 09:44 PM   
The tricky bit will be whether they can tell Helix/SweetFX from some cheap wall hack that makes walls semi-transparent. There's still VERY little know about how all this works. Naturally, the Internet's Most Paranoid are making up their own stories about what will 'obviously' happen. We'll have to wait and see what really happens.
The tricky bit will be whether they can tell Helix/SweetFX from some cheap wall hack that makes walls semi-transparent.

There's still VERY little know about how all this works. Naturally, the Internet's Most Paranoid are making up their own stories about what will 'obviously' happen. We'll have to wait and see what really happens.

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

-- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil"

#9
Posted 05/01/2015 02:54 AM   
I can see the justification in banning these hackers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxSmrb_O8Ng&feature=youtu.be&a
I can see the justification in banning these hackers.


;feature=youtu.be&a

#10
Posted 05/01/2015 04:39 AM   
Seems like the usual wild exaggerations from one-off mods or machinima. Remember the Hot Coffee mod built into GTA long back? How about teabagging in Halo? This stuff has been going on for years and years. Makes for a good "news at 11" though. Hell, how about the required torture sequence in GTA5 itself? But the part that hits the news is a virtual rape youtube video? Still within R*'s prerogative to ban people for dumb stuff like this, just seems out of character to now say there's a line. You know, simulated bank robbery and simulated torture, sure that's totally OK, but simulated rape- no way that's right out. Huh? Edit: Agree with PirateGuyBrush, it's all click-bait, and I fell for it.
Seems like the usual wild exaggerations from one-off mods or machinima. Remember the Hot Coffee mod built into GTA long back? How about teabagging in Halo? This stuff has been going on for years and years. Makes for a good "news at 11" though.

Hell, how about the required torture sequence in GTA5 itself? But the part that hits the news is a virtual rape youtube video?

Still within R*'s prerogative to ban people for dumb stuff like this, just seems out of character to now say there's a line. You know, simulated bank robbery and simulated torture, sure that's totally OK, but simulated rape- no way that's right out. Huh?

Edit: Agree with PirateGuyBrush, it's all click-bait, and I fell for it.

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#11
Posted 05/01/2015 09:05 AM   
Devs have had the power to ban people for mods for years. Maybe not via Steam, but certainly on their own servers. Yet we've had no reports of a helixmod, 3dmigoto, sweetfx, etc ban. I really don't think there's anything to worry about. Also, can I please request we don't go down the rabbit hole of talking about rape in games? Regardless of anyone's views, that discussion is a slippery slope that could quite easily devolve into unpleasantness one way or another. The recent ugliness in the gaming community seems to have been pretty much ignored here, and I'd rather we keep it that way.
Devs have had the power to ban people for mods for years. Maybe not via Steam, but certainly on their own servers. Yet we've had no reports of a helixmod, 3dmigoto, sweetfx, etc ban. I really don't think there's anything to worry about.

Also, can I please request we don't go down the rabbit hole of talking about rape in games? Regardless of anyone's views, that discussion is a slippery slope that could quite easily devolve into unpleasantness one way or another. The recent ugliness in the gaming community seems to have been pretty much ignored here, and I'd rather we keep it that way.

#12
Posted 05/01/2015 11:06 AM   
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