Quadro 4600 / 4800 FX mono banding Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ
We're building several stereo extraction workstations that use 3d vision and the samsung syncmaster monitors. Several of our users are experiencing a strange mono band on the top vertical quarter of the monitor from edge to edge. Below this, stereo is fine. Nothing else seems to be effected, only the stereo display.

We're using the 191.78 Quadro drivers
Using the 191 USB drivers for the emitter
XP professional SP3
We're building several stereo extraction workstations that use 3d vision and the samsung syncmaster monitors. Several of our users are experiencing a strange mono band on the top vertical quarter of the monitor from edge to edge. Below this, stereo is fine. Nothing else seems to be effected, only the stereo display.



We're using the 191.78 Quadro drivers

Using the 191 USB drivers for the emitter

XP professional SP3

#1
Posted 01/29/2010 06:58 PM   
[quote name='Rayx0r' post='991615' date='Jan 29 2010, 01:58 PM']We're building several stereo extraction workstations that use 3d vision and the samsung syncmaster monitors. Several of our users are experiencing a strange mono band on the top vertical quarter of the monitor from edge to edge. Below this, stereo is fine. Nothing else seems to be effected, only the stereo display.

We're using the 191.78 Quadro drivers
Using the 191 USB drivers for the emitter
XP professional SP3[/quote]


sorry, I tried searching for this topic but the forum users here are calling this issue "Ghosting". Ghosting is actually a bi-product of the device not displaying complete stereo. You end up with images that overlap each other out of sync.
[quote name='Rayx0r' post='991615' date='Jan 29 2010, 01:58 PM']We're building several stereo extraction workstations that use 3d vision and the samsung syncmaster monitors. Several of our users are experiencing a strange mono band on the top vertical quarter of the monitor from edge to edge. Below this, stereo is fine. Nothing else seems to be effected, only the stereo display.



We're using the 191.78 Quadro drivers

Using the 191 USB drivers for the emitter

XP professional SP3





sorry, I tried searching for this topic but the forum users here are calling this issue "Ghosting". Ghosting is actually a bi-product of the device not displaying complete stereo. You end up with images that overlap each other out of sync.

#2
Posted 01/30/2010 03:20 PM   
[quote name='Rayx0r' post='992095' date='Jan 30 2010, 10:20 AM']sorry, I tried searching for this topic but the forum users here are calling this issue "Ghosting". Ghosting is actually a bi-product of the device not displaying complete stereo. You end up with images that overlap each other out of sync.[/quote]

Saturday I came in to work to install another LCD stereo monitor, this time it was worse. Half the monitor wouldn’t display stereo so I started swapping out hardware on the tower. First thing I did was downgrade the quadro video card drivers from 191.78 to 191.00. This didn’t fix the problem

I took the monitor from a system that worked fine (Samsung) and swapped it out with the monitor (Samsung) from the hosed build. Nothing changed, the working workstation displayed stereo perfectly and the hosed build was still hosed. So I swapped DVI cables, same situation. I swapped emitters, same. I swapped emitter cables, same.

I ended up rebuilding a new PC and removing the bad one from the network temporarily and used the same monitor and 3d vision package that wasn’t working previously on the new build and it displays stereo perfectly. I concluded it wasn’t a hardware issue.

Now, we had 2 other machines (one which I wasn’t aware of, the operator thought it was normal) having this issue. I uninstalled all of the nVidia drivers starting with the USB drivers and then unplugged both power and usb from the back of the device (not the PC). I shut down, disconnected the USB emitter cable from the PC and swapped it to a different USB port. I made sure the stereo monitor was plugged into the DVI port next to the stereo emitter output. I rebooted, ran CCleaner as soon as I logged in. The only monitor that should be on is the Samsung and I verified this was the primary/main display monitor. I installed the 191.00 quadro video card drivers and rebooted. When I logged back in, I made sure again that the stereo monitor was primary/main and extended view to the additional LCD monitor. At this point, I verified that the Samsung stereo monitor would display 120hz (drivers for all monitors need to be properly installed previously to all this) and installed the 191.00 Quadro USB stereo emitter drivers. After they are installed, plug in the emitter power then USB to the back of the device. Windows should see this and prompt for driver installation. Let windows detect it automatically (it may take some time). When its finished, go to the nvidia control panel and make sure your stereo output is onboard DIN using nvidia emitter.

Anyway, this resolved both of our problems with our current config using the quadro 4800’s. Something with the driver installation must be getting tweaked requiring a re-install. Not sure how important the order is, but I try to follow the same steps each time and if it works I stick to it.

*edit* I should mention the software we use in windows XP sp3 are:
ArcGIS 9.3 using Stereo Analyst
Socet Set 5.3.1

all computer builds are the same running quadro 4800's, intel q9550
[quote name='Rayx0r' post='992095' date='Jan 30 2010, 10:20 AM']sorry, I tried searching for this topic but the forum users here are calling this issue "Ghosting". Ghosting is actually a bi-product of the device not displaying complete stereo. You end up with images that overlap each other out of sync.



Saturday I came in to work to install another LCD stereo monitor, this time it was worse. Half the monitor wouldn’t display stereo so I started swapping out hardware on the tower. First thing I did was downgrade the quadro video card drivers from 191.78 to 191.00. This didn’t fix the problem



I took the monitor from a system that worked fine (Samsung) and swapped it out with the monitor (Samsung) from the hosed build. Nothing changed, the working workstation displayed stereo perfectly and the hosed build was still hosed. So I swapped DVI cables, same situation. I swapped emitters, same. I swapped emitter cables, same.



I ended up rebuilding a new PC and removing the bad one from the network temporarily and used the same monitor and 3d vision package that wasn’t working previously on the new build and it displays stereo perfectly. I concluded it wasn’t a hardware issue.



Now, we had 2 other machines (one which I wasn’t aware of, the operator thought it was normal) having this issue. I uninstalled all of the nVidia drivers starting with the USB drivers and then unplugged both power and usb from the back of the device (not the PC). I shut down, disconnected the USB emitter cable from the PC and swapped it to a different USB port. I made sure the stereo monitor was plugged into the DVI port next to the stereo emitter output. I rebooted, ran CCleaner as soon as I logged in. The only monitor that should be on is the Samsung and I verified this was the primary/main display monitor. I installed the 191.00 quadro video card drivers and rebooted. When I logged back in, I made sure again that the stereo monitor was primary/main and extended view to the additional LCD monitor. At this point, I verified that the Samsung stereo monitor would display 120hz (drivers for all monitors need to be properly installed previously to all this) and installed the 191.00 Quadro USB stereo emitter drivers. After they are installed, plug in the emitter power then USB to the back of the device. Windows should see this and prompt for driver installation. Let windows detect it automatically (it may take some time). When its finished, go to the nvidia control panel and make sure your stereo output is onboard DIN using nvidia emitter.



Anyway, this resolved both of our problems with our current config using the quadro 4800’s. Something with the driver installation must be getting tweaked requiring a re-install. Not sure how important the order is, but I try to follow the same steps each time and if it works I stick to it.



*edit* I should mention the software we use in windows XP sp3 are:

ArcGIS 9.3 using Stereo Analyst

Socet Set 5.3.1



all computer builds are the same running quadro 4800's, intel q9550

#3
Posted 02/01/2010 01:35 PM   
Rayx0r,

Thanks for following up on this! The more folks we have documenting their stereo quad buffering experiences, the better off the quadro community will be. We're also using Stereo Analyst for ArcGIS. We use it for vegetation mapping from scanned analog and natively digital aerial imagery. Stereo model are generated using ERDAS' LPS Core. Getting everything to work properly was, as you've discovered, a real trial-and-error process.

I've mentioned, ad nauseum some might say, installing the OpenGL driver for stereo apps using Quadro-based 3D Vision rigs (available near the bottom of [url="http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_3_driver.html"]this page[/url], current driver version is 190.58). This driver is fairly old by display driver standards, but very stable. It should be happy with whatever USB stereo driver you're using as well (I'm still using a manually installed [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_3D_vision_winvista_win7_190.38.html"]190.38[/url] stereo driver!). I get no ghosting (but there is apparent thin banding in the top right corner, noticeable only with glasses off) and fairly smooth panning and zooming of hi-res imagery. I think any lag is a result of the card's memory more than anything else so we try to keep our blocks small. We're still finding our way on this actually and trying to determine the best methodology for on-screen digitizing. For budgetary reasons, we're using FX 3700 (512MB) and 3800 (1G) cards. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on 3D Vision and Stereo Analyst - are you guys using standard mice or Topo/Stealth mice?

Lars
Rayx0r,



Thanks for following up on this! The more folks we have documenting their stereo quad buffering experiences, the better off the quadro community will be. We're also using Stereo Analyst for ArcGIS. We use it for vegetation mapping from scanned analog and natively digital aerial imagery. Stereo model are generated using ERDAS' LPS Core. Getting everything to work properly was, as you've discovered, a real trial-and-error process.



I've mentioned, ad nauseum some might say, installing the OpenGL driver for stereo apps using Quadro-based 3D Vision rigs (available near the bottom of this page, current driver version is 190.58). This driver is fairly old by display driver standards, but very stable. It should be happy with whatever USB stereo driver you're using as well (I'm still using a manually installed 190.38 stereo driver!). I get no ghosting (but there is apparent thin banding in the top right corner, noticeable only with glasses off) and fairly smooth panning and zooming of hi-res imagery. I think any lag is a result of the card's memory more than anything else so we try to keep our blocks small. We're still finding our way on this actually and trying to determine the best methodology for on-screen digitizing. For budgetary reasons, we're using FX 3700 (512MB) and 3800 (1G) cards. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on 3D Vision and Stereo Analyst - are you guys using standard mice or Topo/Stealth mice?



Lars

Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation

#4
Posted 02/03/2010 03:24 PM   
[quote name='BigLars' post='994586' date='Feb 3 2010, 10:24 AM']Rayx0r,

Thanks for following up on this! The more folks we have documenting their stereo quad buffering experiences, the better off the quadro community will be. We're also using Stereo Analyst for ArcGIS. We use it for vegetation mapping from scanned analog and natively digital aerial imagery. Stereo model are generated using ERDAS' LPS Core. Getting everything to work properly was, as you've discovered, a real trial-and-error process.

I've mentioned, ad nauseum some might say, installing the OpenGL driver for stereo apps using Quadro-based 3D Vision rigs (available near the bottom of [url="http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_3_driver.html"]this page[/url], current driver version is 190.58). This driver is fairly old by display driver standards, but very stable. It should be happy with whatever USB stereo driver you're using as well (I'm still using a manually installed [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_3D_vision_winvista_win7_190.38.html"]190.38[/url] stereo driver!). I get no ghosting (but there is apparent thin banding in the top right corner, noticeable only with glasses off) and fairly smooth panning and zooming of hi-res imagery. I think any lag is a result of the card's memory more than anything else so we try to keep our blocks small. We're still finding our way on this actually and trying to determine the best methodology for on-screen digitizing. For budgetary reasons, we're using FX 3700 (512MB) and 3800 (1G) cards. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on 3D Vision and Stereo Analyst - are you guys using standard mice or Topo/Stealth mice?

Lars[/quote]

The corporation I work for has been using stereo analyst for about 5 years now as its primary extraction solution for many of the projects we run. We've had some really good results using 3d vision in stereo analyst actually (and also socet set). Aside from a couple of the issues I listed, performance wise its running as well as it did with the Z-screens. Once I got the drivers installed properly, the stereo imagery looks perfect. Actually, with the samsungs crisp image and higher resolutions our extractors and QC are reporting that theyre able to analyze imagery much more effectively than with the aging CRT's. Weve been using the Stealth 3d mouse s2 version and have been for quite some time (I wanna say 4 years now?). We do most of our extraction in stereo analyst and some of it in socet set. We also use SDE for database management, and if you work with large datasets I would strongly suggest using this as there are a ton of benefits from it beyond just normal edgematching issues.
[quote name='BigLars' post='994586' date='Feb 3 2010, 10:24 AM']Rayx0r,



Thanks for following up on this! The more folks we have documenting their stereo quad buffering experiences, the better off the quadro community will be. We're also using Stereo Analyst for ArcGIS. We use it for vegetation mapping from scanned analog and natively digital aerial imagery. Stereo model are generated using ERDAS' LPS Core. Getting everything to work properly was, as you've discovered, a real trial-and-error process.



I've mentioned, ad nauseum some might say, installing the OpenGL driver for stereo apps using Quadro-based 3D Vision rigs (available near the bottom of this page, current driver version is 190.58). This driver is fairly old by display driver standards, but very stable. It should be happy with whatever USB stereo driver you're using as well (I'm still using a manually installed 190.38 stereo driver!). I get no ghosting (but there is apparent thin banding in the top right corner, noticeable only with glasses off) and fairly smooth panning and zooming of hi-res imagery. I think any lag is a result of the card's memory more than anything else so we try to keep our blocks small. We're still finding our way on this actually and trying to determine the best methodology for on-screen digitizing. For budgetary reasons, we're using FX 3700 (512MB) and 3800 (1G) cards. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on 3D Vision and Stereo Analyst - are you guys using standard mice or Topo/Stealth mice?



Lars



The corporation I work for has been using stereo analyst for about 5 years now as its primary extraction solution for many of the projects we run. We've had some really good results using 3d vision in stereo analyst actually (and also socet set). Aside from a couple of the issues I listed, performance wise its running as well as it did with the Z-screens. Once I got the drivers installed properly, the stereo imagery looks perfect. Actually, with the samsungs crisp image and higher resolutions our extractors and QC are reporting that theyre able to analyze imagery much more effectively than with the aging CRT's. Weve been using the Stealth 3d mouse s2 version and have been for quite some time (I wanna say 4 years now?). We do most of our extraction in stereo analyst and some of it in socet set. We also use SDE for database management, and if you work with large datasets I would strongly suggest using this as there are a ton of benefits from it beyond just normal edgematching issues.

#5
Posted 02/03/2010 10:26 PM   
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