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Those tempranges shows at which temperatures the panel still operates. If you add a parameter :works at 120Hz those lower templevel needs to be adjusted a lot. At 0 degrees i doubt any lcd-display will work at 120Hz (curious, could anyone try?).
Just to add a little: The temp of the display surface is usually quite a bit higher than the environment. I just checked my iz3d-surface for fun and it's ~40°C in a ~17° environment.

@Danny Pageau: Could you try again and just heat the actual screen surface? Try to estimate temperature of it when heated and turn it off. When the monitor has chilled, just heat the surface until it reaches the "estimated operatingtemp". It's not a tip, i'm just curious. /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />
Those tempranges shows at which temperatures the panel still operates. If you add a parameter :works at 120Hz those lower templevel needs to be adjusted a lot. At 0 degrees i doubt any lcd-display will work at 120Hz (curious, could anyone try?).

Just to add a little: The temp of the display surface is usually quite a bit higher than the environment. I just checked my iz3d-surface for fun and it's ~40°C in a ~17° environment.



@Danny Pageau: Could you try again and just heat the actual screen surface? Try to estimate temperature of it when heated and turn it off. When the monitor has chilled, just heat the surface until it reaches the "estimated operatingtemp". It's not a tip, i'm just curious. /biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':biggrin:' />

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#61
Posted 01/06/2012 07:48 PM   
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='06 January 2012 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1325879118' post='1352515']
Ok I made the test with the blow dryer (my monitor was idle for 1 hour the time to lunch).
The dryer worked 5 minutes and I made circular movements around the monitor.
The temperature is not the issue, it's sure. After 5 minutes, I reopened the screen and I see the same ghosting as when the monitor is closed for a while.
[/quote]
Hmmm yes I meant to literally hold the blowdryer up to the panel surface not just around the monitor. Ideally your test would look like this:

[list]

[*]1) Turn on panel from cold boot.
[*]2) Go into the Nvidia 3D tester like your original picture. Hopefully the ghosting is showing.
[*]3) Put the blowdryer right up to one of the letters, like "N" that is showing the ghosting to heat up that specific part of the panel and only that part.
[*]4) Observe if the ghosting disappears from just that spot.
[*]5) If ghosting persists in all areas except for that spot you heated until the monitor warms up (15-30 mins from your original observation), then you know its a temperature issue.
[/list]
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='06 January 2012 - 02:45 PM' timestamp='1325879118' post='1352515']

Ok I made the test with the blow dryer (my monitor was idle for 1 hour the time to lunch).

The dryer worked 5 minutes and I made circular movements around the monitor.

The temperature is not the issue, it's sure. After 5 minutes, I reopened the screen and I see the same ghosting as when the monitor is closed for a while.



Hmmm yes I meant to literally hold the blowdryer up to the panel surface not just around the monitor. Ideally your test would look like this:






  • 1) Turn on panel from cold boot.
  • 2) Go into the Nvidia 3D tester like your original picture. Hopefully the ghosting is showing.
  • 3) Put the blowdryer right up to one of the letters, like "N" that is showing the ghosting to heat up that specific part of the panel and only that part.
  • 4) Observe if the ghosting disappears from just that spot.
  • 5) If ghosting persists in all areas except for that spot you heated until the monitor warms up (15-30 mins from your original observation), then you know its a temperature issue.

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Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#62
Posted 01/06/2012 08:20 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='06 January 2012 - 03:20 PM' timestamp='1325881228' post='1352533']
Hmmm yes I meant to literally hold the blowdryer up to the panel surface not just around the monitor. Ideally your test would look like this:

[list]

[*]1) Turn on panel from cold boot.
[*]2) Go into the Nvidia 3D tester like your original picture. Hopefully the ghosting is showing.
[*]3) Put the blowdryer right up to one of the letters, like "N" that is showing the ghosting to heat up that specific part of the panel and only that part.
[*]4) Observe if the ghosting disappears from just that spot.
[*]5) If ghosting persists in all areas except for that spot you heated until the monitor warms up (15-30 mins from your original observation), then you know its a temperature issue.
[/list]
[/quote]

It's not dangerous to broke the monitor by using it directly on the LCD screen?
The temperature of the blow dryer is really hot...
[quote name='chiz' date='06 January 2012 - 03:20 PM' timestamp='1325881228' post='1352533']

Hmmm yes I meant to literally hold the blowdryer up to the panel surface not just around the monitor. Ideally your test would look like this:






  • 1) Turn on panel from cold boot.
  • 2) Go into the Nvidia 3D tester like your original picture. Hopefully the ghosting is showing.
  • 3) Put the blowdryer right up to one of the letters, like "N" that is showing the ghosting to heat up that specific part of the panel and only that part.
  • 4) Observe if the ghosting disappears from just that spot.
  • 5) If ghosting persists in all areas except for that spot you heated until the monitor warms up (15-30 mins from your original observation), then you know its a temperature issue.






It's not dangerous to broke the monitor by using it directly on the LCD screen?

The temperature of the blow dryer is really hot...

#63
Posted 01/06/2012 08:37 PM   
like I said it's probably not a thermal issue. also applying heat is not very smart, you can easily get the panel too hot and damage it. Try a differnet cable/ connection type and video card. You'll be safer by moving the monitor to a warm room and letting it adjust for an hour or so.
like I said it's probably not a thermal issue. also applying heat is not very smart, you can easily get the panel too hot and damage it. Try a differnet cable/ connection type and video card. You'll be safer by moving the monitor to a warm room and letting it adjust for an hour or so.

#64
Posted 01/06/2012 08:37 PM   
[quote name='toddbailey' date='06 January 2012 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1325882243' post='1352537']
like I said it's probably not a thermal issue. also applying heat is not very smart, you can easily get the panel too hot and damage it. Try a differnet cable/ connection type and video card
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I will try another cable type tomorrow (HDMI) as I don't have another video card that support 3D...
I not bought a GTX 580 for all my computers /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
[quote name='toddbailey' date='06 January 2012 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1325882243' post='1352537']

like I said it's probably not a thermal issue. also applying heat is not very smart, you can easily get the panel too hot and damage it. Try a differnet cable/ connection type and video card



I will try another cable type tomorrow (HDMI) as I don't have another video card that support 3D...

I not bought a GTX 580 for all my computers /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

#65
Posted 01/06/2012 08:42 PM   
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='06 January 2012 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1325882220' post='1352536']
It's not dangerous to broke the monitor by using it directly on the LCD screen?
The temperature of the blow dryer is really hot...
[/quote]
Yes high temps could damage it, that's why I said put it on its lowest warm setting and test against your hand first. Or just control temps by holding it a bit further away. You don't want the blowdryer heat to be be hotter than 100F (still possible under normal operating conditions on a hot day), you just want to heat the panel up to the temps it runs at after being on for a bit by accelerating the process with direct heat. The problem goes away after a some minutes of use in 3D mode, so it is most likely a temperature or warm-up issue.
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='06 January 2012 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1325882220' post='1352536']

It's not dangerous to broke the monitor by using it directly on the LCD screen?

The temperature of the blow dryer is really hot...



Yes high temps could damage it, that's why I said put it on its lowest warm setting and test against your hand first. Or just control temps by holding it a bit further away. You don't want the blowdryer heat to be be hotter than 100F (still possible under normal operating conditions on a hot day), you just want to heat the panel up to the temps it runs at after being on for a bit by accelerating the process with direct heat. The problem goes away after a some minutes of use in 3D mode, so it is most likely a temperature or warm-up issue.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#66
Posted 01/06/2012 08:45 PM   
See the following message post on the 3dvision-blog forum:
http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1929&sid=81369f951319c7ea54bed3f9c51a41d8&p=8244#p8244

"
Hello,

I own an Asus VG236H and it does the same (initial ghosting fades noticeably after like 30 minutes), so I guess it's part of normal operation of Asus 3D devices. :)

Take care!

Edit: I use the first generation glasses.
"

The same behaviour is found with VG236H...
See the following message post on the 3dvision-blog forum:

http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1929&sid=81369f951319c7ea54bed3f9c51a41d8&p=8244#p8244



"

Hello,



I own an Asus VG236H and it does the same (initial ghosting fades noticeably after like 30 minutes), so I guess it's part of normal operation of Asus 3D devices. :)



Take care!



Edit: I use the first generation glasses.

"



The same behaviour is found with VG236H...

#67
Posted 01/06/2012 09:06 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='06 January 2012 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1325882749' post='1352543']
Yes high temps could damage it, that's why I said put it on its lowest warm setting and test against your hand first. Or just control temps by holding it a bit further away. You don't want the blowdryer heat to be be hotter than 100F (still possible under normal operating conditions on a hot day), you just want to heat the panel up to the temps it runs at after being on for a bit by accelerating the process with direct heat. The problem goes away after a some minutes of use in 3D mode, so it is most likely a temperature or warm-up issue.
[/quote]
chiz you had reason, it's due to temperature. My config in the power options of the control panel was set to turn off the display after 5 minutes.
So when I moved out of my PC for more than 5 minutes, the monitor goes into sleep mode, so when I restarted the test and the monitor was idle for some minutes the ghosting reappearing. I have now set the "Turn off the display" setting to "Never" and I configured a screen saver to start after 10 minutes. So the monitor never sleep. Then now, even how much time I'm using 2D, I not see ghosting if I return to 3D mode.

Now I just have to start the computer and let the screen open for 30 minutes to not see any ghosting.
[quote name='chiz' date='06 January 2012 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1325882749' post='1352543']

Yes high temps could damage it, that's why I said put it on its lowest warm setting and test against your hand first. Or just control temps by holding it a bit further away. You don't want the blowdryer heat to be be hotter than 100F (still possible under normal operating conditions on a hot day), you just want to heat the panel up to the temps it runs at after being on for a bit by accelerating the process with direct heat. The problem goes away after a some minutes of use in 3D mode, so it is most likely a temperature or warm-up issue.



chiz you had reason, it's due to temperature. My config in the power options of the control panel was set to turn off the display after 5 minutes.

So when I moved out of my PC for more than 5 minutes, the monitor goes into sleep mode, so when I restarted the test and the monitor was idle for some minutes the ghosting reappearing. I have now set the "Turn off the display" setting to "Never" and I configured a screen saver to start after 10 minutes. So the monitor never sleep. Then now, even how much time I'm using 2D, I not see ghosting if I return to 3D mode.



Now I just have to start the computer and let the screen open for 30 minutes to not see any ghosting.

#68
Posted 01/07/2012 04:45 PM   
Thanks to all for your replies to try to resolve my issue.. It's really appreciated :)
Thanks to all for your replies to try to resolve my issue.. It's really appreciated :)

#69
Posted 01/07/2012 04:48 PM   
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='07 January 2012 - 11:45 AM' timestamp='1325954710' post='1352900']
chiz you had reason, it's due to temperature. My config in the power options of the control panel was set to turn off the display after 5 minutes.
So when I moved out of my PC for more than 5 minutes, the monitor goes into sleep mode, so when I restarted the test and the monitor was idle for some minutes the ghosting reappearing. I have now set the "Turn off the display" setting to "Never" and I configured a screen saver to start after 10 minutes. So the monitor never sleep. Then now, even how much time I'm using 2D, I not see ghosting if I return to 3D mode.

Now I just have to start the computer and let the screen open for 30 minutes to not see any ghosting.
[/quote]
Glad you got to the bottom of it! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

I know peace of mind on something like this is invaluable; its just one of those things that will bug you every day when you look at the monitor unless you figure it out. Good news for Asus though, hopefully others will see your blog and these posts because the last thing this monitor needed was another QC scare lol.
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='07 January 2012 - 11:45 AM' timestamp='1325954710' post='1352900']

chiz you had reason, it's due to temperature. My config in the power options of the control panel was set to turn off the display after 5 minutes.

So when I moved out of my PC for more than 5 minutes, the monitor goes into sleep mode, so when I restarted the test and the monitor was idle for some minutes the ghosting reappearing. I have now set the "Turn off the display" setting to "Never" and I configured a screen saver to start after 10 minutes. So the monitor never sleep. Then now, even how much time I'm using 2D, I not see ghosting if I return to 3D mode.



Now I just have to start the computer and let the screen open for 30 minutes to not see any ghosting.



Glad you got to the bottom of it! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />



I know peace of mind on something like this is invaluable; its just one of those things that will bug you every day when you look at the monitor unless you figure it out. Good news for Asus though, hopefully others will see your blog and these posts because the last thing this monitor needed was another QC scare lol.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#70
Posted 01/07/2012 04:52 PM   
[quote name='chiz' date='07 January 2012 - 11:52 AM' timestamp='1325955156' post='1352905']
Glad you got to the bottom of it! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

I know peace of mind on something like this is invaluable; its just one of those things that will bug you every day when you look at the monitor unless you figure it out. Good news for Asus though, hopefully others will see your blog and these posts because the last thing this monitor needed was another QC scare lol.
[/quote]
Yes you have reason.
Thanks again for your help.
[quote name='chiz' date='07 January 2012 - 11:52 AM' timestamp='1325955156' post='1352905']

Glad you got to the bottom of it! /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />



I know peace of mind on something like this is invaluable; its just one of those things that will bug you every day when you look at the monitor unless you figure it out. Good news for Asus though, hopefully others will see your blog and these posts because the last thing this monitor needed was another QC scare lol.



Yes you have reason.

Thanks again for your help.

#71
Posted 01/07/2012 04:59 PM   
Glad I found this thread as I started to see the same damn thing and wondering if it was the drivers or something else.
Alright just let the screen warm up and play then heh /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

Other then this thing and some low buzzing from the emitter im perfectly happy with it, great colours and the hight adjustments are so good!
Glad I found this thread as I started to see the same damn thing and wondering if it was the drivers or something else.

Alright just let the screen warm up and play then heh /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />



Other then this thing and some low buzzing from the emitter im perfectly happy with it, great colours and the hight adjustments are so good!

#72
Posted 01/07/2012 06:06 PM   
[quote name='MikeLoader' date='07 January 2012 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1325959585' post='1352948']
Glad I found this thread as I started to see the same damn thing and wondering if it was the drivers or something else.
Alright just let the screen warm up and play then heh /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

Other then this thing and some low buzzing from the emitter im perfectly happy with it, great colours and the hight adjustments are so good!
[/quote]
Yeah I love this monitor too. Yesterday I played to BF3 6 hours without having sore eyes and headaches.
It's the best active 3D monitor (and TV) I seen in term of 3D quality.
[quote name='MikeLoader' date='07 January 2012 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1325959585' post='1352948']

Glad I found this thread as I started to see the same damn thing and wondering if it was the drivers or something else.

Alright just let the screen warm up and play then heh /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />



Other then this thing and some low buzzing from the emitter im perfectly happy with it, great colours and the hight adjustments are so good!



Yeah I love this monitor too. Yesterday I played to BF3 6 hours without having sore eyes and headaches.

It's the best active 3D monitor (and TV) I seen in term of 3D quality.

#73
Posted 01/07/2012 06:13 PM   
For your information, I use this ICC profile for my monitor, the colors are amazing (not washed).

Link to download the profile:
http://www.3dvisionfr.net/wp/profil-ASUS-VG278H

To set the ICC profile in Windows 7:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/cant-apply-an-icc-profile-to-display-cant/71b8d8e8-afa3-435a-aae4-6a8a184b6439
For your information, I use this ICC profile for my monitor, the colors are amazing (not washed).



Link to download the profile:

http://www.3dvisionfr.net/wp/profil-ASUS-VG278H



To set the ICC profile in Windows 7:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/cant-apply-an-icc-profile-to-display-cant/71b8d8e8-afa3-435a-aae4-6a8a184b6439

#74
Posted 01/07/2012 06:17 PM   
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='07 January 2012 - 10:17 AM' timestamp='1325960263' post='1352959']
For your information, I use this ICC profile for my monitor, the colors are amazing (not washed).

Link to download the profile:
http://www.3dvisionfr.net/wp/profil-ASUS-VG278H

To set the ICC profile in Windows 7:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/cant-apply-an-icc-profile-to-display-cant/71b8d8e8-afa3-435a-aae4-6a8a184b6439
[/quote]


I guess I'm been lucky, I don't have any ghosting or other issues with this monitor, hot cold or in between.
[quote name='Danny Pageau' date='07 January 2012 - 10:17 AM' timestamp='1325960263' post='1352959']

For your information, I use this ICC profile for my monitor, the colors are amazing (not washed).



Link to download the profile:

http://www.3dvisionfr.net/wp/profil-ASUS-VG278H



To set the ICC profile in Windows 7:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/cant-apply-an-icc-profile-to-display-cant/71b8d8e8-afa3-435a-aae4-6a8a184b6439







I guess I'm been lucky, I don't have any ghosting or other issues with this monitor, hot cold or in between.

#75
Posted 01/07/2012 07:20 PM   
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