What to expect? Taking the plunge
Ok, so I'm finally taking the plunge into 3d gaming and I've ordered up the Asus bundle thingy. So I know roughly what to expect in terms of 3d, probably close-ish to the movie theaters which is cool, but what can I expect in general that maybe people don't know so much about or something. Also, I remember reading a thread about how right now it is a little hit or miss about whether your monitor displays full 3d or if the top 20% or so is missing? I'd think that'd be a driver bug, but it also said it was present for the past 2 years or something... So does anyone know if there is any PC hardware that just outright wont work with 3d vision? My rig is going to be:

Antec EarthWatts 750w PSU (iirc on EW and wattage, but 99% on both)
EVGA 3x SLI Mobo (older one I have, PN 132-BL-E758)
i7 920
6gigs Corsair XMS3 Ram
EVGA SC GTX570
Asus Monitor
Random HDs for storage

Mostly a rig I've had and just updating... but does anyone know of any major issues there with 3d? Assuming everything works right and I have full 3d, what are some of the "must play" games in 3d? I was looking at the popout thread (even though I can't really view them in 3d rofl) and I noticed a lot of people posting Batman and Dragon Age, so both those will be on my list. If I can swing it I want to get Black Ops too (why couldn't the card come with it as a free game instead of 3dmark or whatever rofl) which is supposedly another pretty good one.
Ok, so I'm finally taking the plunge into 3d gaming and I've ordered up the Asus bundle thingy. So I know roughly what to expect in terms of 3d, probably close-ish to the movie theaters which is cool, but what can I expect in general that maybe people don't know so much about or something. Also, I remember reading a thread about how right now it is a little hit or miss about whether your monitor displays full 3d or if the top 20% or so is missing? I'd think that'd be a driver bug, but it also said it was present for the past 2 years or something... So does anyone know if there is any PC hardware that just outright wont work with 3d vision? My rig is going to be:



Antec EarthWatts 750w PSU (iirc on EW and wattage, but 99% on both)

EVGA 3x SLI Mobo (older one I have, PN 132-BL-E758)

i7 920

6gigs Corsair XMS3 Ram

EVGA SC GTX570

Asus Monitor

Random HDs for storage



Mostly a rig I've had and just updating... but does anyone know of any major issues there with 3d? Assuming everything works right and I have full 3d, what are some of the "must play" games in 3d? I was looking at the popout thread (even though I can't really view them in 3d rofl) and I noticed a lot of people posting Batman and Dragon Age, so both those will be on my list. If I can swing it I want to get Black Ops too (why couldn't the card come with it as a free game instead of 3dmark or whatever rofl) which is supposedly another pretty good one.

#1
Posted 12/24/2010 08:25 AM   
I just "took the plunge" about 2 weeks ago with the ASUS bundle also. So far I am completely satisfied with the 3D and really have not had any major issues. Some games REALLY shine like Trine (which BTW is on sale at Steam for 5 bucks!) Some games like Bioshock 2 do not do so well. I had buyers remorse for about 3 days after i got the setup but glad i kept it. The ASUS 23" monitor is also great for non-3D gaming and watching movies, the colors really pop. Set up was a breeze, not a single driver issue for me. The only negative thing about the glasses is that if you game with headphones it can be a little uncomfortable. And you need to take more breaks wearing the glasses at first, my eyes tired after about an hour of gaming. But know I can usually go about 2 hours with no fatigue. HAVE FUN!!!
I just "took the plunge" about 2 weeks ago with the ASUS bundle also. So far I am completely satisfied with the 3D and really have not had any major issues. Some games REALLY shine like Trine (which BTW is on sale at Steam for 5 bucks!) Some games like Bioshock 2 do not do so well. I had buyers remorse for about 3 days after i got the setup but glad i kept it. The ASUS 23" monitor is also great for non-3D gaming and watching movies, the colors really pop. Set up was a breeze, not a single driver issue for me. The only negative thing about the glasses is that if you game with headphones it can be a little uncomfortable. And you need to take more breaks wearing the glasses at first, my eyes tired after about an hour of gaming. But know I can usually go about 2 hours with no fatigue. HAVE FUN!!!

#2
Posted 12/24/2010 04:06 PM   
A good 120hz monitor itself is awesome right? /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':happy:' />
As soon as install is completed, remember to set up all your keyboard shortcuts and advanced settings especially for convergence which pretty much needs to be adjusted for most games, though some games have it locked to developer preferences (3d ready games usually /glare.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':glare:' /> ). When adjusting convergence remember to HOLD DOWN the shortcut keys till desired effect is achieved. Then you can tune every game to your liking and save it. Some games which initally look terrible in 3d at high depth, can be made to look decent with an increases in convergence and lower depths.

Ex: Dragon Age looks absolutely fantastic with a high depth, only problem is the mouse is screen depth, so it'd be impossible to click on anything from seeing double cursors. However, another option is to lower the depth so you can click, but increase convergence so instead the lower part of the scene is "out" of the screen and you'll still get a great sense of depth, as well as being totally playable. It really looks great!

Black ops has been patched and really looks good in 3d now. Still some framerate issues, but I'm sure your gtx570 can power through some of the game's technical limitations. /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
Start re-installing some of your old games NOW! You'll want to replay absolutely everything in 3d. Trust me.

So, just don't strain your eyes. Take breaks. Less is more... sometimes.
A good 120hz monitor itself is awesome right? /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':happy:' />

As soon as install is completed, remember to set up all your keyboard shortcuts and advanced settings especially for convergence which pretty much needs to be adjusted for most games, though some games have it locked to developer preferences (3d ready games usually /glare.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':glare:' /> ). When adjusting convergence remember to HOLD DOWN the shortcut keys till desired effect is achieved. Then you can tune every game to your liking and save it. Some games which initally look terrible in 3d at high depth, can be made to look decent with an increases in convergence and lower depths.



Ex: Dragon Age looks absolutely fantastic with a high depth, only problem is the mouse is screen depth, so it'd be impossible to click on anything from seeing double cursors. However, another option is to lower the depth so you can click, but increase convergence so instead the lower part of the scene is "out" of the screen and you'll still get a great sense of depth, as well as being totally playable. It really looks great!



Black ops has been patched and really looks good in 3d now. Still some framerate issues, but I'm sure your gtx570 can power through some of the game's technical limitations. /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

Start re-installing some of your old games NOW! You'll want to replay absolutely everything in 3d. Trust me.



So, just don't strain your eyes. Take breaks. Less is more... sometimes.

AsRock X58 Extreme6 mobo
Intel Core-i7 950 @ 4ghz
12gb Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600
ASUS DirectCU II GTX 780 3gb
Corsair TX 950w PSU
NZXT Phantom Red/Black Case
3d Vision 1 w/ Samsung 2233rz Monitor
3d Vision 2 w/ ASUS VG278HE Monitor

#3
Posted 12/24/2010 06:17 PM   
[quote name='AcidBong' date='24 December 2010 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1293214667' post='1165829']
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Ex: Dragon Age looks absolutely fantastic with a high depth, only problem is the mouse is screen depth, so it'd be impossible to click on anything from seeing double cursors. However, another option is to lower the depth so you can click, but increase convergence so instead the lower part of the scene is "out" of the screen and you'll still get a great sense of depth, as well as being totally playable. It really looks great!
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Just click/aim exactly between the 2 cursors/crosshairs. I don't see why everyone has such a problem with this. To me this is like the least of possible stereodefects.
[quote name='AcidBong' date='24 December 2010 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1293214667' post='1165829']

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Ex: Dragon Age looks absolutely fantastic with a high depth, only problem is the mouse is screen depth, so it'd be impossible to click on anything from seeing double cursors. However, another option is to lower the depth so you can click, but increase convergence so instead the lower part of the scene is "out" of the screen and you'll still get a great sense of depth, as well as being totally playable. It really looks great!





Just click/aim exactly between the 2 cursors/crosshairs. I don't see why everyone has such a problem with this. To me this is like the least of possible stereodefects.

Current Rig: |Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz, EVGA X58 Classified 4-way SLI, 6 GB ram, Geforce GTX670| -> |Acer H5360 + Nvidia 3D Vision|

#4
Posted 12/24/2010 11:35 PM   
[quote name='Xerion404' date='24 December 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1293233745' post='1165967']
Just click/aim exactly between the 2 cursors/crosshairs. I don't see why everyone has such a problem with this. To me this is like the least of possible stereodefects.
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If it's something you've trained your eye to do and would happen in every game then I could see it not being a huge issue. However, to me personally, that sounds like something that is a bit annoying and something I'd rather not have to "train" my eye for.
[quote name='Xerion404' date='24 December 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1293233745' post='1165967']

Just click/aim exactly between the 2 cursors/crosshairs. I don't see why everyone has such a problem with this. To me this is like the least of possible stereodefects.





If it's something you've trained your eye to do and would happen in every game then I could see it not being a huge issue. However, to me personally, that sounds like something that is a bit annoying and something I'd rather not have to "train" my eye for.

#5
Posted 12/25/2010 02:12 AM   
[quote name='Tomec' date='25 December 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1293243135' post='1166003']
If it's something you've trained your eye to do and would happen in every game then I could see it not being a huge issue. However, to me personally, that sounds like something that is a bit annoying and something I'd rather not have to "train" my eye for.
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me neither.

For DA:O, on my 22" monitor, I set the depth to about 25% (I am a 100% depth gamer usually) and crank up convergence. This keeps the mouse focused (exept p'raps at extreme foreground and background). You get so so depth but nice popout effects.

Going S3D has been for this 36 year old gamer by far the best upgrade I have ever made and I have been gaming since Hungry Horrace on the speccy in the 80s!
[quote name='Tomec' date='25 December 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1293243135' post='1166003']

If it's something you've trained your eye to do and would happen in every game then I could see it not being a huge issue. However, to me personally, that sounds like something that is a bit annoying and something I'd rather not have to "train" my eye for.



me neither.



For DA:O, on my 22" monitor, I set the depth to about 25% (I am a 100% depth gamer usually) and crank up convergence. This keeps the mouse focused (exept p'raps at extreme foreground and background). You get so so depth but nice popout effects.



Going S3D has been for this 36 year old gamer by far the best upgrade I have ever made and I have been gaming since Hungry Horrace on the speccy in the 80s!

Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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#6
Posted 12/27/2010 04:59 PM   
I'm really going to have to write out a quick 'new user tips' page and just linke people to it.

A 570, eh? Sweet. It's possible that the drivers that come with the Asus box won't support such a new card, though. So you'll want to go [url=http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce-3d-vision-winvista-win7-cd-1.42-whql-driver.html]here[/url] to get the latest that include all the 3D fancy stuff. Don't install it yet, though.

As Acid said, start installing games you want to try out. 3D Vision doesn't work at all with OpenGL games or games that came out before DirectX 9 so don't bother with those.

If you like going beyond screenshots and recording in-game video, head over to www.fraps.com and buy that. If you've already bought it, then get the latest version.

Once the new system comes, hook the new monitor up and fire it up to make sure the monitor works. Make sure you use the supplied DVI cable, not the one you currently have. (If it doesn't work, call the support number. You can use the time you are stuck on hold to cry.)

You may need to charge your glasses up. It seems like mine came fully charged but check the instructions to make sure.

Once you're all set, uninstall your current drivers and shut down. Plug the emitter into the USB and boot up. Install the drivers you downloaded. Reboot as needed.

I believe you'll automatically be taken to the 3D setup. If not, it's on the NVIDIA control panel under 3D settings.

Do the medical test. (Yes, really.) If you can see the 3D'ness of the little dots then take your glasses off and go get a pillow. Put the pillow on your lap, put the glasses back on, and continue.

After the configuration is done, it should show you a 3D slideshow. The pillow should catch your jaw without breaking it. If your jaw stays attached, then you might need to fiddle with the depth settings a little - just twist the dial on the emitter.

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I've played a lot of games and I've never seen the top not be 3D. I *have* seen ghosting when something bright is against a dark background or vice versa.
I'm really going to have to write out a quick 'new user tips' page and just linke people to it.



A 570, eh? Sweet. It's possible that the drivers that come with the Asus box won't support such a new card, though. So you'll want to go here to get the latest that include all the 3D fancy stuff. Don't install it yet, though.



As Acid said, start installing games you want to try out. 3D Vision doesn't work at all with OpenGL games or games that came out before DirectX 9 so don't bother with those.



If you like going beyond screenshots and recording in-game video, head over to www.fraps.com and buy that. If you've already bought it, then get the latest version.



Once the new system comes, hook the new monitor up and fire it up to make sure the monitor works. Make sure you use the supplied DVI cable, not the one you currently have. (If it doesn't work, call the support number. You can use the time you are stuck on hold to cry.)



You may need to charge your glasses up. It seems like mine came fully charged but check the instructions to make sure.



Once you're all set, uninstall your current drivers and shut down. Plug the emitter into the USB and boot up. Install the drivers you downloaded. Reboot as needed.



I believe you'll automatically be taken to the 3D setup. If not, it's on the NVIDIA control panel under 3D settings.



Do the medical test. (Yes, really.) If you can see the 3D'ness of the little dots then take your glasses off and go get a pillow. Put the pillow on your lap, put the glasses back on, and continue.



After the configuration is done, it should show you a 3D slideshow. The pillow should catch your jaw without breaking it. If your jaw stays attached, then you might need to fiddle with the depth settings a little - just twist the dial on the emitter.



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I've played a lot of games and I've never seen the top not be 3D. I *have* seen ghosting when something bright is against a dark background or vice versa.

#7
Posted 12/28/2010 12:41 AM   
Dunno about the slide show, 3D stills from both real-life or games look like pop up books to me.

Defo keep that pillow handy for when you play your first game though. My jaw moved further and further away until my mind was truly blown once I realised 100% depth is the setting you should play every game at (unless you are using a projector or massive screen).
Dunno about the slide show, 3D stills from both real-life or games look like pop up books to me.



Defo keep that pillow handy for when you play your first game though. My jaw moved further and further away until my mind was truly blown once I realised 100% depth is the setting you should play every game at (unless you are using a projector or massive screen).

Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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#8
Posted 12/28/2010 08:20 AM   
Lol at the pillow thing. I've been kind of cheating some in a sense and using anaglyph to watch videos and stuff for a little. Plus I went to the vision demo booth a couple times before buying. I imagine that it'll be different when I actually control the character and action... not to mention the true colors and not whacked out anaglyph colors heh.

Already got all my games I'll be using installed... Turns out I never UN-installed quite a few of the ones that are good (like Dragon Age, and I also have Bioshock 2 on my HD... but I've heard mixed things about that) and so I only had to install 2 heh. Speaking of installing though, so the correct procedure is to plug in everything before you install the drivers? Or does that really matter since you have to restart and stuff? Because I always thought it was

Uninstall everything current
Restart
Install Latest Drivers (especially with a 570 rofl)
Restart
Plug in and set up

I did know about the cable thing already though, but I agree it's something that should go into any "beginners guide" type thing as that can cause a lot of issues from what I read
Lol at the pillow thing. I've been kind of cheating some in a sense and using anaglyph to watch videos and stuff for a little. Plus I went to the vision demo booth a couple times before buying. I imagine that it'll be different when I actually control the character and action... not to mention the true colors and not whacked out anaglyph colors heh.



Already got all my games I'll be using installed... Turns out I never UN-installed quite a few of the ones that are good (like Dragon Age, and I also have Bioshock 2 on my HD... but I've heard mixed things about that) and so I only had to install 2 heh. Speaking of installing though, so the correct procedure is to plug in everything before you install the drivers? Or does that really matter since you have to restart and stuff? Because I always thought it was



Uninstall everything current

Restart

Install Latest Drivers (especially with a 570 rofl)

Restart

Plug in and set up



I did know about the cable thing already though, but I agree it's something that should go into any "beginners guide" type thing as that can cause a lot of issues from what I read

#9
Posted 12/28/2010 10:50 AM   
That should work just as well. You just want to make sure you've installed from that "CD", though, because it has more than just the graphics drivers. There are also drivers for handling the emitter USB device (I think).
That should work just as well. You just want to make sure you've installed from that "CD", though, because it has more than just the graphics drivers. There are also drivers for handling the emitter USB device (I think).

#10
Posted 12/29/2010 01:53 AM   
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