Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the future?
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Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?

Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.
Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?



Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.

#1
Posted 11/25/2010 03:35 AM   
Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?

Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.
Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?



Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.

#2
Posted 11/25/2010 03:35 AM   
[quote name='FGL' date='25 November 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1290656109' post='1151214']
Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?

Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.
[/quote]

HDMI 1.4 supports it afaik
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspx#1

"3D
The 1.4 version of the specification defines common 3D formats and resolutions for HDMI-enabled devices, enabling 3D gaming and other 3D video applications. The specification standardizes the input/output portion of the home 3D system, facilitating 3D resolutions up to dual-stream 1080p."
[quote name='FGL' date='25 November 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1290656109' post='1151214']

Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?



Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.





HDMI 1.4 supports it afaik

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspx#1



"3D

The 1.4 version of the specification defines common 3D formats and resolutions for HDMI-enabled devices, enabling 3D gaming and other 3D video applications. The specification standardizes the input/output portion of the home 3D system, facilitating 3D resolutions up to dual-stream 1080p."

#3
Posted 11/25/2010 04:16 AM   
[quote name='FGL' date='25 November 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1290656109' post='1151214']
Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?

Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.
[/quote]

HDMI 1.4 supports it afaik
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspx#1

"3D
The 1.4 version of the specification defines common 3D formats and resolutions for HDMI-enabled devices, enabling 3D gaming and other 3D video applications. The specification standardizes the input/output portion of the home 3D system, facilitating 3D resolutions up to dual-stream 1080p."
[quote name='FGL' date='25 November 2010 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1290656109' post='1151214']

Will HDMI support 1080p 60Hz 3D in the near future?



Because playing 3D games on 3D HDTV with 720p is just not good enough.





HDMI 1.4 supports it afaik

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hdmi_1_4_faq.aspx#1



"3D

The 1.4 version of the specification defines common 3D formats and resolutions for HDMI-enabled devices, enabling 3D gaming and other 3D video applications. The specification standardizes the input/output portion of the home 3D system, facilitating 3D resolutions up to dual-stream 1080p."

#4
Posted 11/25/2010 04:16 AM   
I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080

what the 24hz now?

damm it
I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080



what the 24hz now?



damm it

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#5
Posted 11/25/2010 08:26 AM   
I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080

what the 24hz now?

damm it
I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080



what the 24hz now?



damm it

i7 8700K @4.9
GTX1080Ti
Asrock Z370 Gamming K6
Windows10 64bit
LG OLED UHD 3dtv 55E6K

#6
Posted 11/25/2010 08:26 AM   
[quote name='ndlrjajdlfo' date='25 November 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1290673567' post='1151273']
I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080

what the 24hz now?

damm it
[/quote]

That is to match the refreshing rate for Blu-ray movie contents, which are also at 24Hz.
[quote name='ndlrjajdlfo' date='25 November 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1290673567' post='1151273']

I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080



what the 24hz now?



damm it





That is to match the refreshing rate for Blu-ray movie contents, which are also at 24Hz.

#7
Posted 11/27/2010 08:12 AM   
[quote name='ndlrjajdlfo' date='25 November 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1290673567' post='1151273']
I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080

what the 24hz now?

damm it
[/quote]

That is to match the refreshing rate for Blu-ray movie contents, which are also at 24Hz.
[quote name='ndlrjajdlfo' date='25 November 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1290673567' post='1151273']

I hope at least 30P of 1920*1080



what the 24hz now?



damm it





That is to match the refreshing rate for Blu-ray movie contents, which are also at 24Hz.

#8
Posted 11/27/2010 08:12 AM   
HDMI 1.4 supports two 3D video formats: 1080p@24Hz and 720p@60Hz. For 3D games under nVidia 3DTV, you can only choose 720p@60Hz. Because 24Hz is not enough for gaming, nVidia does not allow you to enable 3D in games under the 1080p@24Hz format.
HDMI 1.4 supports two 3D video formats: 1080p@24Hz and 720p@60Hz. For 3D games under nVidia 3DTV, you can only choose 720p@60Hz. Because 24Hz is not enough for gaming, nVidia does not allow you to enable 3D in games under the 1080p@24Hz format.

#9
Posted 11/27/2010 08:19 AM   
HDMI 1.4 supports two 3D video formats: 1080p@24Hz and 720p@60Hz. For 3D games under nVidia 3DTV, you can only choose 720p@60Hz. Because 24Hz is not enough for gaming, nVidia does not allow you to enable 3D in games under the 1080p@24Hz format.
HDMI 1.4 supports two 3D video formats: 1080p@24Hz and 720p@60Hz. For 3D games under nVidia 3DTV, you can only choose 720p@60Hz. Because 24Hz is not enough for gaming, nVidia does not allow you to enable 3D in games under the 1080p@24Hz format.

#10
Posted 11/27/2010 08:19 AM   
The main problem is, that a HDMI-cable(Type A: 19 pins) is identical to a Single-Link-DVI cable. There are only 3 Data-wire-pairs to transfer the data. At the moment it is not possible to send more data through this wires safely. The bandwidth of this cable is too low.
To understand this you will need some electrical knowledge about cable materials, signal shielding, signal strength and signal damping.

The only way would be to compress the data somehow but this would need a new specification and of course new hardware.

Another way would be the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Connectors"]HDMI-Connector Type B[/url] (29 pins). It is identical to a Dual-Link-DVI-Connection and consists of 6 Data-wire-pairs. The HDMI Specification has this connector already but it never has been used in any product. And this would mean if any company starts using this connector you would need new hardware too.
The main problem is, that a HDMI-cable(Type A: 19 pins) is identical to a Single-Link-DVI cable. There are only 3 Data-wire-pairs to transfer the data. At the moment it is not possible to send more data through this wires safely. The bandwidth of this cable is too low.

To understand this you will need some electrical knowledge about cable materials, signal shielding, signal strength and signal damping.



The only way would be to compress the data somehow but this would need a new specification and of course new hardware.



Another way would be the HDMI-Connector Type B (29 pins). It is identical to a Dual-Link-DVI-Connection and consists of 6 Data-wire-pairs. The HDMI Specification has this connector already but it never has been used in any product. And this would mean if any company starts using this connector you would need new hardware too.

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#11
Posted 11/27/2010 12:52 PM   
The main problem is, that a HDMI-cable(Type A: 19 pins) is identical to a Single-Link-DVI cable. There are only 3 Data-wire-pairs to transfer the data. At the moment it is not possible to send more data through this wires safely. The bandwidth of this cable is too low.
To understand this you will need some electrical knowledge about cable materials, signal shielding, signal strength and signal damping.

The only way would be to compress the data somehow but this would need a new specification and of course new hardware.

Another way would be the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Connectors"]HDMI-Connector Type B[/url] (29 pins). It is identical to a Dual-Link-DVI-Connection and consists of 6 Data-wire-pairs. The HDMI Specification has this connector already but it never has been used in any product. And this would mean if any company starts using this connector you would need new hardware too.
The main problem is, that a HDMI-cable(Type A: 19 pins) is identical to a Single-Link-DVI cable. There are only 3 Data-wire-pairs to transfer the data. At the moment it is not possible to send more data through this wires safely. The bandwidth of this cable is too low.

To understand this you will need some electrical knowledge about cable materials, signal shielding, signal strength and signal damping.



The only way would be to compress the data somehow but this would need a new specification and of course new hardware.



Another way would be the HDMI-Connector Type B (29 pins). It is identical to a Dual-Link-DVI-Connection and consists of 6 Data-wire-pairs. The HDMI Specification has this connector already but it never has been used in any product. And this would mean if any company starts using this connector you would need new hardware too.

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#12
Posted 11/27/2010 12:52 PM   
Hdmi type B has been abandonned, It's too big and it' not compatible with type A. Given the huge success of Type A connectors, who could possibly be suicidal enough to release Type B hardware that people wouldn't be able to connect to their current hardware ?

To circumvent that issue, hdmi created hdmi1.3 specification.
Hdmi1.3 uses the same Type A connector but has a maximum theoretical bandwidth as high as Type B. The problem is : hardware manufacturer don't support the full spec, since it is not mandatory for hdmi1.3 to support the maximum bandwidth. It is a huge mistake hdmi made to save money, and they did the exact same mistake with hdmi1.4 : they could support framepacking 1080p60 but they chose not to make it mandatory (only frame packing 1080p24).

Hdmi is not a future-proof forward looking format, it is not designed to make the technology leap ahead, it's only purpose is to make it easier in the home with the hardware and content designed for consumers.
Hollywood decided they would not publish anything higher than full resolution 1080p24, the TV industry does not want to upgrade their hardware so soon after upgrading to HD and decided they would broadcast side by side squashed, Sony found out the PS3 was incapable of pushing full 1080p3D graphics and decided to stick with 720p frame packing, and those were the 3D formats hdmi standardized for hdmi1.4.
Hdmi type B has been abandonned, It's too big and it' not compatible with type A. Given the huge success of Type A connectors, who could possibly be suicidal enough to release Type B hardware that people wouldn't be able to connect to their current hardware ?



To circumvent that issue, hdmi created hdmi1.3 specification.

Hdmi1.3 uses the same Type A connector but has a maximum theoretical bandwidth as high as Type B. The problem is : hardware manufacturer don't support the full spec, since it is not mandatory for hdmi1.3 to support the maximum bandwidth. It is a huge mistake hdmi made to save money, and they did the exact same mistake with hdmi1.4 : they could support framepacking 1080p60 but they chose not to make it mandatory (only frame packing 1080p24).



Hdmi is not a future-proof forward looking format, it is not designed to make the technology leap ahead, it's only purpose is to make it easier in the home with the hardware and content designed for consumers.

Hollywood decided they would not publish anything higher than full resolution 1080p24, the TV industry does not want to upgrade their hardware so soon after upgrading to HD and decided they would broadcast side by side squashed, Sony found out the PS3 was incapable of pushing full 1080p3D graphics and decided to stick with 720p frame packing, and those were the 3D formats hdmi standardized for hdmi1.4.

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#13
Posted 11/27/2010 01:59 PM   
Hdmi type B has been abandonned, It's too big and it' not compatible with type A. Given the huge success of Type A connectors, who could possibly be suicidal enough to release Type B hardware that people wouldn't be able to connect to their current hardware ?

To circumvent that issue, hdmi created hdmi1.3 specification.
Hdmi1.3 uses the same Type A connector but has a maximum theoretical bandwidth as high as Type B. The problem is : hardware manufacturer don't support the full spec, since it is not mandatory for hdmi1.3 to support the maximum bandwidth. It is a huge mistake hdmi made to save money, and they did the exact same mistake with hdmi1.4 : they could support framepacking 1080p60 but they chose not to make it mandatory (only frame packing 1080p24).

Hdmi is not a future-proof forward looking format, it is not designed to make the technology leap ahead, it's only purpose is to make it easier in the home with the hardware and content designed for consumers.
Hollywood decided they would not publish anything higher than full resolution 1080p24, the TV industry does not want to upgrade their hardware so soon after upgrading to HD and decided they would broadcast side by side squashed, Sony found out the PS3 was incapable of pushing full 1080p3D graphics and decided to stick with 720p frame packing, and those were the 3D formats hdmi standardized for hdmi1.4.
Hdmi type B has been abandonned, It's too big and it' not compatible with type A. Given the huge success of Type A connectors, who could possibly be suicidal enough to release Type B hardware that people wouldn't be able to connect to their current hardware ?



To circumvent that issue, hdmi created hdmi1.3 specification.

Hdmi1.3 uses the same Type A connector but has a maximum theoretical bandwidth as high as Type B. The problem is : hardware manufacturer don't support the full spec, since it is not mandatory for hdmi1.3 to support the maximum bandwidth. It is a huge mistake hdmi made to save money, and they did the exact same mistake with hdmi1.4 : they could support framepacking 1080p60 but they chose not to make it mandatory (only frame packing 1080p24).



Hdmi is not a future-proof forward looking format, it is not designed to make the technology leap ahead, it's only purpose is to make it easier in the home with the hardware and content designed for consumers.

Hollywood decided they would not publish anything higher than full resolution 1080p24, the TV industry does not want to upgrade their hardware so soon after upgrading to HD and decided they would broadcast side by side squashed, Sony found out the PS3 was incapable of pushing full 1080p3D graphics and decided to stick with 720p frame packing, and those were the 3D formats hdmi standardized for hdmi1.4.

Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter

#14
Posted 11/27/2010 01:59 PM   
720p on a 50 screen = forget it.
720p on a 50 screen = forget it.

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#15
Posted 11/27/2010 08:59 PM   
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