3d vision via HDMI 2.0
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In a similar vein to my other query, the new 900 series support HDMI 2.0. Are there any new 3d vision or 3d tv play modes supported via HDMI 2.0 and if not, are there plans to do so? A number of people on here have been crying out for HDMI 2.0 for a few years and although it requires buy in from the display manufacturers, we need to know what Nvidia will support. I suspect only a MOD can help with this?
In a similar vein to my other query, the new 900 series support HDMI 2.0.

Are there any new 3d vision or 3d tv play modes supported via HDMI 2.0 and if not, are there plans to do so?

A number of people on here have been crying out for HDMI 2.0 for a few years and although it requires buy in from the display manufacturers, we need to know what Nvidia will support.

I suspect only a MOD can help with this?

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#1
Posted 09/23/2014 09:48 PM   
So 3DTV play does not have an option for 1080p 60hz yet on the 900 series? That's BS. There is no reason now they can't add that refresh rate with HDMI 2.0.
So 3DTV play does not have an option for 1080p 60hz yet on the 900 series? That's BS. There is no reason now they can't add that refresh rate with HDMI 2.0.

#2
Posted 09/23/2014 10:22 PM   
Yeah. Only a mod would know. I suspect we're going to hear crickets about whether an update is/isn't planned. But, hey, how bout' that fake 3D. Aren't you excited?
Yeah. Only a mod would know. I suspect we're going to hear crickets about whether an update is/isn't planned.

But, hey, how bout' that fake 3D. Aren't you excited?

#3
Posted 09/23/2014 10:24 PM   
To be fair, as far as I'm concerned the whole HDMI 2.0 thing has been a massive fiasco. It's taken too long and it's too vague. I don't know if 3dtv play supports HDMI 2.0 but with nothing to the contrary I'll assume that nothing has changed. As a prospective buyer of new Nvidia technology I just want some statements on the matter. It's bad enough that we have display port, dual link dvi and HDMI 2.0. They are not direct competitors as some are pc orientated and some are HDTV orientated, but it's some kind of seriously bad joke that we're still constrained by the connectors between our output devices and our displays.
To be fair, as far as I'm concerned the whole HDMI 2.0 thing has been a massive fiasco. It's taken too long and it's too vague.
I don't know if 3dtv play supports HDMI 2.0 but with nothing to the contrary I'll assume that nothing has changed.
As a prospective buyer of new Nvidia technology I just want some statements on the matter.

It's bad enough that we have display port, dual link dvi and HDMI 2.0. They are not direct competitors as some are pc orientated and some are HDTV orientated, but it's some kind of seriously bad joke that we're still constrained by the connectors between our output devices and our displays.

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#4
Posted 09/23/2014 10:34 PM   
I'd settle for 3D TV Play running at 1080p@60Hz, which high quality HDMI 1.4 is more than capable of. Not the measly 24Hz the proprietary software limits things to. Wouldn't be using my Asus 27 inch otherwise. Acquired a rather long HDMI 2.0 capable cable to finally eliminate all doubt that it's solely software locked, and nothing to do with hardware or cabling. I'd have ditched my monitor in a heartbeat and used the TV instead, but then of course that's the whole point. I can only assume that the status quo is simply to preserve the market for PC monitors as a whole. HDMI 2.0 with 4K Ultra HD and 3D for TV PC gaming has a huge pent up demand for those able to afford it, but vested interests are rather frustratingly preventing it from becoming a reality.
I'd settle for 3D TV Play running at 1080p@60Hz, which high quality HDMI 1.4 is more than capable of. Not the measly 24Hz the proprietary software limits things to. Wouldn't be using my Asus 27 inch otherwise. Acquired a rather long HDMI 2.0 capable cable to finally eliminate all doubt that it's solely software locked, and nothing to do with hardware or cabling. I'd have ditched my monitor in a heartbeat and used the TV instead, but then of course that's the whole point. I can only assume that the status quo is simply to preserve the market for PC monitors as a whole. HDMI 2.0 with 4K Ultra HD and 3D for TV PC gaming has a huge pent up demand for those able to afford it, but vested interests are rather frustratingly preventing it from becoming a reality.

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#5
Posted 09/23/2014 10:54 PM   
I agree with what you're saying about cables, but it's definitely not just a software issue. The output adaptor and the display device need to have the appropriate bandwidth available and not all do as it's dependant on the HDMI interface hardware. That's part of the reason why on sites like blurbusters some displays can be 'overclocked' and some can't. It's just a bit of a mess and is holding us back.
I agree with what you're saying about cables, but it's definitely not just a software issue. The output adaptor and the display device need to have the appropriate bandwidth available and not all do as it's dependant on the HDMI interface hardware. That's part of the reason why on sites like blurbusters some displays can be 'overclocked' and some can't.
It's just a bit of a mess and is holding us back.

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#6
Posted 09/23/2014 11:17 PM   
Be carefull, while the 900 series of GPUs are capable of supporting HDMI 2.0, it's been said that the implementation is left up to the manufacturers. You'll find out that some are only HDMI 1.4b compliant. [quote="jimbonbon"]The Maxwell GPU supports HDMI 2.0, as does the NVIDIA reference design card, but it is down to the OEMs (like EVGA) to decide what they include on their versions of the card.[/quote] Hopefully we'll see Display Port take off and be supported. Cluck HDMI! http://www.tomshardware.com/news/displayport-1.3-vesa,27673.html
Be carefull, while the 900 series of GPUs are capable of supporting HDMI 2.0, it's been said that the implementation is left up to the manufacturers.

You'll find out that some are only HDMI 1.4b compliant.

jimbonbon said:The Maxwell GPU supports HDMI 2.0, as does the NVIDIA reference design card, but it is down to the OEMs (like EVGA) to decide what they include on their versions of the card.


Hopefully we'll see Display Port take off and be supported. Cluck HDMI!

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/displayport-1.3-vesa,27673.html

#7
Posted 09/24/2014 04:22 AM   
Eh, ToThePoint is spot on. Rustyk, you are wrong. It is software locked. I can have 60hz @ 1080p 3D on my 3DTV if I want using 3D Vision with HDMI 1.4, it is however, a EDID hack. It is software locked by Nvidia.
Eh, ToThePoint is spot on.

Rustyk, you are wrong. It is software locked. I can have 60hz @ 1080p 3D on my 3DTV if I want using 3D Vision with HDMI 1.4, it is however, a EDID hack. It is software locked by Nvidia.

#8
Posted 09/24/2014 05:16 AM   
Nope, I'm not wrong, what I said is accurate and I also said it's not 'just' software. I have 3d tv play and 3d vision displays and I've used an EDID myself to get from 1080p24 > 1080p30 via 3dtv play (framepacking HDMI). Are you getting 60hz per eye like you do with 3d vision mode (frame sequential) over dual-link DVI? I very much doubt it but fair play if you are.
Nope, I'm not wrong, what I said is accurate and I also said it's not 'just' software.

I have 3d tv play and 3d vision displays and I've used an EDID myself to get from 1080p24 > 1080p30 via 3dtv play (framepacking HDMI).

Are you getting 60hz per eye like you do with 3d vision mode (frame sequential) over dual-link DVI? I very much doubt it but fair play if you are.

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#9
Posted 09/24/2014 10:01 AM   
rustyk, it begs the question as to why there aren't any higher 3D frequency options available. The specs on my particular set say it can go up to 200Hz. However, it's core refresh rate capability is only 100Hz. One would have thought that with almost all modern TVs being set at 100Hz minimum, nVidia's software would allow a 3D mode setting of at least 50Hz, so that if the viewer wanted to see 1080p with micro stutter they could do so. Believe me, I toyed with the idea of overclocking to 120Hz at the time. The 4K ready HDMI cable certainly would have helped too, but I'd only just purchased that set, and didn't fancy the idea of voiding the warranty with no certainty of success in getting 3D TV Play to recognise it. Blur buster's main aim, as it's title suggests is to halve motion blur, not to optimise TVs for 3D stereoscopy. I reckon that's just a bonus for them.
rustyk, it begs the question as to why there aren't any higher 3D frequency options available. The specs on my particular set say it can go up to 200Hz. However, it's core refresh rate capability is only 100Hz. One would have thought that with almost all modern TVs being set at 100Hz minimum, nVidia's software would allow a 3D mode setting of at least 50Hz, so that if the viewer wanted to see 1080p with micro stutter they could do so. Believe me, I toyed with the idea of overclocking to 120Hz at the time. The 4K ready HDMI cable certainly would have helped too, but I'd only just purchased that set, and didn't fancy the idea of voiding the warranty with no certainty of success in getting 3D TV Play to recognise it. Blur buster's main aim, as it's title suggests is to halve motion blur, not to optimise TVs for 3D stereoscopy. I reckon that's just a bonus for them.

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#10
Posted 09/24/2014 10:33 AM   
I get 1080 @ 60hz per eye in 3D interleave passive mode. If I use it like Nvidia wants me to, I can only get the inferior solutions because of the limits of HDMI 1.4 on my 3D TV (apparently). I, however use the EDID that pretends my TV is an Acer 3D monitor, hence I get absolutely 0 lag at 60hz 1080p 3d gaming....this means that it is a software lock. I am still obviously using the exact same hardware that Nvidia claims can't support such things their monitors can.
I get 1080 @ 60hz per eye in 3D interleave passive mode. If I use it like Nvidia wants me to, I can only get the inferior solutions because of the limits of HDMI 1.4 on my 3D TV (apparently).

I, however use the EDID that pretends my TV is an Acer 3D monitor, hence I get absolutely 0 lag at 60hz 1080p 3d gaming....this means that it is a software lock. I am still obviously using the exact same hardware that Nvidia claims can't support such things their monitors can.

#11
Posted 09/24/2014 11:03 AM   
[quote="deathadda88"]I get 1080 @ 60hz per eye in 3D interleave passive mode. If I use it like Nvidia wants me to, I can only get the inferior solutions because of the limits of HDMI 1.4 on my 3D TV (apparently). I, however use the EDID that pretends my TV is an Acer 3D monitor, hence I get absolutely 0 lag at 60hz 1080p 3d gaming....this means that it is a software lock. I am still obviously using the exact same hardware that Nvidia claims can't support such things their monitors can.[/quote] Very interesting. I'll certainly look into that as an option, thank you. We can all agree at least, that as rustyk already stated, the whole thing is a mess.
deathadda88 said:I get 1080 @ 60hz per eye in 3D interleave passive mode. If I use it like Nvidia wants me to, I can only get the inferior solutions because of the limits of HDMI 1.4 on my 3D TV (apparently).

I, however use the EDID that pretends my TV is an Acer 3D monitor, hence I get absolutely 0 lag at 60hz 1080p 3d gaming....this means that it is a software lock. I am still obviously using the exact same hardware that Nvidia claims can't support such things their monitors can.


Very interesting. I'll certainly look into that as an option, thank you. We can all agree at least, that as rustyk already stated, the whole thing is a mess.

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#12
Posted 09/24/2014 11:21 AM   
deathadda88, would you mind sharing which edid you're using? I'd like to see if I can test that on my projector.
deathadda88, would you mind sharing which edid you're using? I'd like to see if I can test that on my projector.

#13
Posted 09/24/2014 11:24 AM   
It won't work on your projector since projectors need frame-sequential output for 120Hz 3d vision. That mode is for passive monitors/TVs that support line interleave. All you will see is a blur of an image at 1080p which means it will output but your projector can't do anything with it. The EDID works great though, it gives me more popout than the regular 3DTV play 720p mode since it is using the Acer monitor size profile. I don't need to increase my depth settings that high in this case. [url]http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=13821&sid=88ff02313a0edb903aad1c5f605cd93b[/url]
It won't work on your projector since projectors need frame-sequential output for 120Hz 3d vision. That mode is for passive monitors/TVs that support line interleave. All you will see is a blur of an image at 1080p which means it will output but your projector can't do anything with it.

The EDID works great though, it gives me more popout than the regular 3DTV play 720p mode since it is using the Acer monitor size profile. I don't need to increase my depth settings that high in this case.

http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=13821&sid=88ff02313a0edb903aad1c5f605cd93b

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#14
Posted 09/24/2014 12:53 PM   
Thanks for the tip. I'm not hitting the maximum depth/convergence for my current setup as it stands, so I might pass. :)
Thanks for the tip. I'm not hitting the maximum depth/convergence for my current setup as it stands, so I might pass. :)

#15
Posted 09/24/2014 01:00 PM   
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