Panasonic VT25 Series Looking for an updated compatibility list
Hello,

I am currently using a Panasonic VT25 54" 3D Plasma. My question here is, do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?
I ask, because since the TV is 3D and already has active shutter glasses, can I not use that hardware? Can it be detected?

One more question:
Can I used the HDMI out from my GTX 295 to the Plasma and still use 3D Vision?

Your help is much appreciated!

-M
Hello,



I am currently using a Panasonic VT25 54" 3D Plasma. My question here is, do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?

I ask, because since the TV is 3D and already has active shutter glasses, can I not use that hardware? Can it be detected?



One more question:

Can I used the HDMI out from my GTX 295 to the Plasma and still use 3D Vision?



Your help is much appreciated!



-M

#1
Posted 03/04/2011 04:46 AM   
[quote name='MagicMeatball' date='04 March 2011 - 04:46 AM' timestamp='1299213978' post='1201947']
Hello,

I am currently using a Panasonic VT25 54" 3D Plasma. My question here is, do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?
I ask, because since the TV is 3D and already has active shutter glasses, can I not use that hardware? Can it be detected?

One more question:
Can I used the HDMI out from my GTX 295 to the Plasma and still use 3D Vision?

Your help is much appreciated!

-M
[/quote]


I have pretty much the same question I'm using a Panasonic TX-P42GT20B 3d Plasma TV which is on the supported 3dtv list. However as above "do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?" or can I just use 3dTV play?

(Also can I output using 1080 3d side by side format using 3dtv play to my tv?)

Thanks.
[quote name='MagicMeatball' date='04 March 2011 - 04:46 AM' timestamp='1299213978' post='1201947']

Hello,



I am currently using a Panasonic VT25 54" 3D Plasma. My question here is, do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?

I ask, because since the TV is 3D and already has active shutter glasses, can I not use that hardware? Can it be detected?



One more question:

Can I used the HDMI out from my GTX 295 to the Plasma and still use 3D Vision?



Your help is much appreciated!



-M







I have pretty much the same question I'm using a Panasonic TX-P42GT20B 3d Plasma TV which is on the supported 3dtv list. However as above "do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?" or can I just use 3dTV play?



(Also can I output using 1080 3d side by side format using 3dtv play to my tv?)



Thanks.

#2
Posted 03/04/2011 10:42 AM   
You cannot use 3D Vision or 3D vision glasses with these displays.
You have to use 3DTV play and the TV's 3D Glasses.

The only thing 3D vision does in this case is to unlock 3DTV play for free.
You cannot use 3D Vision or 3D vision glasses with these displays.

You have to use 3DTV play and the TV's 3D Glasses.



The only thing 3D vision does in this case is to unlock 3DTV play for free.

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#3
Posted 03/04/2011 04:37 PM   
[quote name='MagicMeatball' date='03 March 2011 - 09:46 PM' timestamp='1299213978' post='1201947']
Hello,

I am currently using a Panasonic VT25 54" 3D Plasma. My question here is, do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?
[/quote]
Neither, you must use iZ3D or TriDef 3D Ignition software. That's because there's an inherent incompatibility with the combo of Nvidia 3D software and Panasonic for 3D gaming: Panasonic supports side-by-side mode and Nvidia supports checkerboard (3D Vision only). This display mode incompatibility means that it's impossible to get a decent 3D gaming experience with a Panasonic using either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. The only way to get full quality 3D gaming with a Panasonic is with iZ3D and/or TriDef 3D Ignition stereo 3D drivers and invoke SBS mode.
If your only requirement is 3D, then you can use 3DTV Play with it's hideous blurred, blotchy, muddy, heavily aliased images.
[quote name='MagicMeatball' date='03 March 2011 - 09:46 PM' timestamp='1299213978' post='1201947']

Hello,



I am currently using a Panasonic VT25 54" 3D Plasma. My question here is, do I NEED the 3D Vision kit to play 3D games from my PC to my TV?



Neither, you must use iZ3D or TriDef 3D Ignition software. That's because there's an inherent incompatibility with the combo of Nvidia 3D software and Panasonic for 3D gaming: Panasonic supports side-by-side mode and Nvidia supports checkerboard (3D Vision only). This display mode incompatibility means that it's impossible to get a decent 3D gaming experience with a Panasonic using either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. The only way to get full quality 3D gaming with a Panasonic is with iZ3D and/or TriDef 3D Ignition stereo 3D drivers and invoke SBS mode.

If your only requirement is 3D, then you can use 3DTV Play with it's hideous blurred, blotchy, muddy, heavily aliased images.

#4
Posted 03/04/2011 05:37 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='04 March 2011 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1299260272' post='1202218']
Neither, you must use iZ3D or TriDef 3D Ignition software. That's because there's an inherent incompatibility with the combo of Nvidia 3D software and Panasonic for 3D gaming: Panasonic supports side-by-side mode and Nvidia supports checkerboard (3D Vision only). This display mode incompatibility means that it's impossible to get a decent 3D gaming experience with a Panasonic using either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. The only way to get full quality 3D gaming with a Panasonic is with iZ3D and/or TriDef 3D Ignition stereo 3D drivers and invoke SBS mode.
If your only requirement is 3D, then you can use 3DTV Play with it's hideous blurred, blotchy, muddy, heavily aliased images.
[/quote]


Hi

Roller isnt quite right and your comments may confuse our users.

Panasonic 3D TVs support HDMI 1.4 frame packed modes. 3DTV Play supports frame packed modes and it works perfectly with Panasonic TVs. I have one in my lab and I use it every day.

As a general rule to get 3D working on a 3D TV, you need our 3DTV Play software. 3DTV Play is avaiable as a paid for download from our NVIDIA store (http://store.nvidia.com) or its included free with your 3D Vision kit. You do not use 3D Vision glasses with 3DTV Play though, you use the glasses that come with your TV.
[quote name='roller11' date='04 March 2011 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1299260272' post='1202218']

Neither, you must use iZ3D or TriDef 3D Ignition software. That's because there's an inherent incompatibility with the combo of Nvidia 3D software and Panasonic for 3D gaming: Panasonic supports side-by-side mode and Nvidia supports checkerboard (3D Vision only). This display mode incompatibility means that it's impossible to get a decent 3D gaming experience with a Panasonic using either 3D Vision or 3DTV Play. The only way to get full quality 3D gaming with a Panasonic is with iZ3D and/or TriDef 3D Ignition stereo 3D drivers and invoke SBS mode.

If your only requirement is 3D, then you can use 3DTV Play with it's hideous blurred, blotchy, muddy, heavily aliased images.







Hi



Roller isnt quite right and your comments may confuse our users.



Panasonic 3D TVs support HDMI 1.4 frame packed modes. 3DTV Play supports frame packed modes and it works perfectly with Panasonic TVs. I have one in my lab and I use it every day.



As a general rule to get 3D working on a 3D TV, you need our 3DTV Play software. 3DTV Play is avaiable as a paid for download from our NVIDIA store (http://store.nvidia.com) or its included free with your 3D Vision kit. You do not use 3D Vision glasses with 3DTV Play though, you use the glasses that come with your TV.

#5
Posted 03/04/2011 07:18 PM   
Andrew,
There are many users who would prefer using Panasonic/Sony/Vizio/Toshiba 3DTVs but don't because these TVs can't do native resolution 3D gaming (i.e. checkerboard) with any Nvidia stereo 3D drivers. These TVs do however support native res 1920x1080/60 side-by-side mode, the equivalent of checkerboard. TriDef 3D and iZ3D both support SBS, so obviously Nvidia can also.
Lack of SBS mode is therefore a great liability for Nvidia (fewer sales). Please comment on the reasoning behind Nvidia's decision to not support SBS, the only universal, high quality, native resolution 3D gaming mode. Is it some kind of licensing fee issue? Technical reason?
Andrew,

There are many users who would prefer using Panasonic/Sony/Vizio/Toshiba 3DTVs but don't because these TVs can't do native resolution 3D gaming (i.e. checkerboard) with any Nvidia stereo 3D drivers. These TVs do however support native res 1920x1080/60 side-by-side mode, the equivalent of checkerboard. TriDef 3D and iZ3D both support SBS, so obviously Nvidia can also.

Lack of SBS mode is therefore a great liability for Nvidia (fewer sales). Please comment on the reasoning behind Nvidia's decision to not support SBS, the only universal, high quality, native resolution 3D gaming mode. Is it some kind of licensing fee issue? Technical reason?

#6
Posted 03/04/2011 07:52 PM   
Thanks for the replies.

So to confirm I don't need to buy the 3d vision kit.

I just need
PC with NVidia card
3dTV play software (selected to output HDMI 1.4 format)
HDMI connection
Compatible tv eg Panasonic plasma 3d tv plus tv's shutter glasses.



That's a real shame Nvidia don't support side by side as after testing with my ati card 5870 and the tridef drivers, 1080 side by side definitely gave the best picture, but I would prefer to have DX11 drivers (for eg Crysis 2 etc...). So I was intending to ditch my ati card and buy an nvidia one. But if it doesn't support side by side then I'll just stick with what I have unfortunately.

Do this plan to be added in the future?

Thanks.
Thanks for the replies.



So to confirm I don't need to buy the 3d vision kit.



I just need

PC with NVidia card

3dTV play software (selected to output HDMI 1.4 format)

HDMI connection

Compatible tv eg Panasonic plasma 3d tv plus tv's shutter glasses.







That's a real shame Nvidia don't support side by side as after testing with my ati card 5870 and the tridef drivers, 1080 side by side definitely gave the best picture, but I would prefer to have DX11 drivers (for eg Crysis 2 etc...). So I was intending to ditch my ati card and buy an nvidia one. But if it doesn't support side by side then I'll just stick with what I have unfortunately.



Do this plan to be added in the future?



Thanks.

#7
Posted 03/04/2011 08:38 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='04 March 2011 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1299268321' post='1202300']
Andrew,
There are many users who would prefer using Panasonic/Sony/Vizio/Toshiba 3DTVs but don't because these TVs can't do native resolution 3D gaming (i.e. checkerboard) with any Nvidia stereo 3D drivers. These TVs do however support native res 1920x1080/60 side-by-side mode, the equivalent of checkerboard. TriDef 3D and iZ3D both support SBS, so obviously Nvidia can also.
Lack of SBS mode is therefore a great liability for Nvidia (fewer sales). Please comment on the reasoning behind Nvidia's decision to not support SBS, the only universal, high quality, native resolution 3D gaming mode. Is it some kind of licensing fee issue? Technical reason?
[/quote]

The original intention of 3DTV Play was to support HDMI 1.4 automatic modes. TVs that support side/side mode today do it through manual intervention, meaning you ahve to force the TV into that mode.

3DTV Play's original purpose was to make it easy and have 3D "just work".

That being said, we are looking into additional modes to support.
[quote name='roller11' date='04 March 2011 - 01:52 PM' timestamp='1299268321' post='1202300']

Andrew,

There are many users who would prefer using Panasonic/Sony/Vizio/Toshiba 3DTVs but don't because these TVs can't do native resolution 3D gaming (i.e. checkerboard) with any Nvidia stereo 3D drivers. These TVs do however support native res 1920x1080/60 side-by-side mode, the equivalent of checkerboard. TriDef 3D and iZ3D both support SBS, so obviously Nvidia can also.

Lack of SBS mode is therefore a great liability for Nvidia (fewer sales). Please comment on the reasoning behind Nvidia's decision to not support SBS, the only universal, high quality, native resolution 3D gaming mode. Is it some kind of licensing fee issue? Technical reason?





The original intention of 3DTV Play was to support HDMI 1.4 automatic modes. TVs that support side/side mode today do it through manual intervention, meaning you ahve to force the TV into that mode.



3DTV Play's original purpose was to make it easy and have 3D "just work".



That being said, we are looking into additional modes to support.

#8
Posted 03/04/2011 08:50 PM   
[quote name='Yunti McGunti' date='04 March 2011 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1299271123' post='1202330']
Do this plan to be added in the future?

Thanks.
[/quote]

We are looking into it, but have not committed to doing it yet.
[quote name='Yunti McGunti' date='04 March 2011 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1299271123' post='1202330']

Do this plan to be added in the future?



Thanks.





We are looking into it, but have not committed to doing it yet.

#9
Posted 03/04/2011 08:52 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='04 March 2011 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1299266281' post='1202279']
Hi

Roller isnt quite right and your comments may confuse our users.

Panasonic 3D TVs support HDMI 1.4 frame packed modes. 3DTV Play supports frame packed modes and it works perfectly with Panasonic TVs. I have one in my lab and I use it every day.

As a general rule to get 3D working on a 3D TV, you need our 3DTV Play software. 3DTV Play is avaiable as a paid for download from our NVIDIA store (http://store.nvidia.com) or its included free with your 3D Vision kit. You do not use 3D Vision glasses with 3DTV Play though, you use the glasses that come with your TV.
[/quote]


Thank you for the information, Andrew. I am glad I do not have to purchase additional hardware on top of what I have already paid for with my 3D Panasonic + Active Shutter glasses.

I guess I will have to see for myself what the quality looks like, and decide what to do from that point.

Thanks again.

Best,

MM

**** UPDATE ****

Tried it today, looks incredible. No blurriness, or visual quality issues. Awesome!
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='04 March 2011 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1299266281' post='1202279']

Hi



Roller isnt quite right and your comments may confuse our users.



Panasonic 3D TVs support HDMI 1.4 frame packed modes. 3DTV Play supports frame packed modes and it works perfectly with Panasonic TVs. I have one in my lab and I use it every day.



As a general rule to get 3D working on a 3D TV, you need our 3DTV Play software. 3DTV Play is avaiable as a paid for download from our NVIDIA store (http://store.nvidia.com) or its included free with your 3D Vision kit. You do not use 3D Vision glasses with 3DTV Play though, you use the glasses that come with your TV.







Thank you for the information, Andrew. I am glad I do not have to purchase additional hardware on top of what I have already paid for with my 3D Panasonic + Active Shutter glasses.



I guess I will have to see for myself what the quality looks like, and decide what to do from that point.



Thanks again.



Best,



MM



**** UPDATE ****



Tried it today, looks incredible. No blurriness, or visual quality issues. Awesome!

#10
Posted 03/05/2011 02:45 AM   
[quote name='MagicMeatball' date='04 March 2011 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1299293140' post='1202492']
Tried it today, looks incredible. No blurriness, or visual quality issues. Awesome!
[/quote]

Awesome!
[quote name='MagicMeatball' date='04 March 2011 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1299293140' post='1202492']

Tried it today, looks incredible. No blurriness, or visual quality issues. Awesome!





Awesome!

#11
Posted 03/07/2011 07:25 PM   
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