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[quote="Nick7"] Now this is pure fanboism. It actually is quite easy to add support. However, there's issue of $$$$ for 'certifying' monitor, etc, etc... They could have left option for people to add 'custom monitor', and adjust timings themselves, but hey - that would mean people could actually tune something themselves! Remember people asking to adjust 3D Vision timing themselves, to fix/reduce top/bottom screen ghosting? Never happened. Same as this regarding support for some monitors. Technically it's easy, but there's that 'other' part....[/quote] Learn English better. I never said it was not easy. I wrote [b]"It is so easy, right? Why not do it?"?[/b] Why? Why? It seems only me and one other person actually understands why Nvidia does not support the S23A700D. There is a reason why Nvidia does not support it. And its not because Samsung did not pay money to Nvidia. LOL This discussion is pointless because Nvidia will NEVER support the S23A700D for 3D Vision.
Nick7 said:
Now this is pure fanboism.
It actually is quite easy to add support.
However, there's issue of $$$$ for 'certifying' monitor, etc, etc...

They could have left option for people to add 'custom monitor', and adjust timings themselves, but hey - that would mean people could actually tune something themselves!
Remember people asking to adjust 3D Vision timing themselves, to fix/reduce top/bottom screen ghosting?
Never happened. Same as this regarding support for some monitors.

Technically it's easy, but there's that 'other' part....

Learn English better. I never said it was not easy.
I wrote "It is so easy, right? Why not do it?"?
Why? Why?
It seems only me and one other person actually understands why Nvidia does not support the S23A700D.

There is a reason why Nvidia does not support it.
And its not because Samsung did not pay money to Nvidia. LOL
This discussion is pointless because Nvidia will NEVER support the S23A700D for 3D Vision.

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#16
Posted 11/29/2012 03:44 PM   
[quote="Reaves"] To say I should have researched more is missing the point completely. Nvidia are not in the monitor business. They could easily make this monitor work 100%. They make money for certified 3D from manufacturers.. that sucks.. I paid a lot for my GTX 590 and should not be restricted to hardware. What is this apple?? [/quote] Nvidia is not in the monitor business but they are in the 3D glasses business. Unfortunately, Samsung decided to include non-nvidia 3D glasses with their monitor. If Samsung did not include Samsung 3D glasses, then maybe Nvidia would certify this monitor for 3D vision. Just use Tridef 3D or iZ3D. iZ3D is out of business but their old 3D driver can be downloaded and used for free. Or use the old nvidia driver, as Horus does.
Reaves said:
To say I should have researched more is missing the point completely. Nvidia are not in the monitor business. They could easily make this monitor work 100%. They make money for certified 3D from manufacturers.. that sucks.. I paid a lot for my GTX 590 and should not be restricted to hardware. What is this apple??

Nvidia is not in the monitor business but they are in the 3D glasses business.
Unfortunately, Samsung decided to include non-nvidia 3D glasses with their monitor.
If Samsung did not include Samsung 3D glasses, then maybe Nvidia would certify this monitor for 3D vision.
Just use Tridef 3D or iZ3D.
iZ3D is out of business but their old 3D driver can be downloaded and used for free.
Or use the old nvidia driver, as Horus does.

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#17
Posted 11/29/2012 04:01 PM   
Partol you are indeed a fan-boy. Just post something on your Facebook page, draw something, make a Nvidia song or something and leave grownups with their problems.
Partol you are indeed a fan-boy.
Just post something on your Facebook page, draw something, make a Nvidia song or something and leave grownups with their problems.

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#18
Posted 11/29/2012 04:56 PM   
[quote="Partol"] If Samsung did not include Samsung 3D glasses, then maybe Nvidia would certify this monitor for 3D vision.[/quote] Like they did with the Iiyama G2773HS? Just kidding.. No they wouldn't have done so. As layed out in another thread: they are in the chip buisness in the first instance with focus on Tegra, then graphic chips, and lastly GPUGPU chips (last 2 basically based on thethe same silicon). The [i]glasses[/i] hardly make [i]any[/i] profit at all - and how so with so few displays supported and the majority of these being of subpar quality? With supporting more (and probably more attractive) monitors they would sell a lot more of their core technology: graphic chips... To Horus: No, you're not alone...
Partol said:
If Samsung did not include Samsung 3D glasses, then maybe Nvidia would certify this monitor for 3D vision.

Like they did with the Iiyama G2773HS? Just kidding.. No they wouldn't have done so.

As layed out in another thread: they are in the chip buisness in the first instance with focus on Tegra, then graphic chips, and lastly GPUGPU chips (last 2 basically based on thethe same silicon).

The glasses hardly make any profit at all - and how so with so few displays supported and the majority of these being of subpar quality?

With supporting more (and probably more attractive) monitors they would sell a lot more of their core technology: graphic chips...

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#19
Posted 11/29/2012 05:41 PM   
[quote="quadrophoeniX"] The [i]glasses[/i] hardly make [i]any[/i] profit at all - and how so with so few displays supported and the majority of these being of subpar quality? [/quote] 3D Vision sells poorly, not because of a lack of quality 3D monitors, but because most people are not interested or do not like 3D. iZ3D recently shutdown due to lack of profit. Its no secret that 3D is simply not popular.
quadrophoeniX said:
The glasses hardly make any profit at all - and how so with so few displays supported and the majority of these being of subpar quality?

3D Vision sells poorly, not because of a lack of quality 3D monitors, but because most people are not interested or do not like 3D. iZ3D recently shutdown due to lack of profit. Its no secret that 3D is simply not popular.

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#20
Posted 11/29/2012 06:23 PM   
May be with competitive prize monitors and better driver support 3d Vision would have been a success. May be not... May be with support for all kind of potential 3d monitors more people would have jumped into the 3D experience. May be not... May be something happend when game devs do not pay atention to 3d compatibility, I do not know.
May be with competitive prize monitors and better driver support 3d Vision would have been a success. May be not...

May be with support for all kind of potential 3d monitors more people would have jumped into the 3D experience. May be not...

May be something happend when game devs do not pay atention to 3d compatibility, I do not know.

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#21
Posted 11/29/2012 09:56 PM   
[quote="Partol"][quote="Reaves"] To say I should have researched more is missing the point completely. Nvidia are not in the monitor business. They could easily make this monitor work 100%. They make money for certified 3D from manufacturers.. that sucks.. I paid a lot for my GTX 590 and should not be restricted to hardware. What is this apple?? [/quote] Nvidia is not in the monitor business but they are in the 3D glasses business. Unfortunately, Samsung decided to include non-nvidia 3D glasses with their monitor. If Samsung did not include Samsung 3D glasses, then maybe Nvidia would certify this monitor for 3D vision. Just use Tridef 3D or iZ3D. iZ3D is out of business but their old 3D driver can be downloaded and used for free. Or use the old nvidia driver, as Horus does.[/quote] Use Tridef and have side by side instead of full 1080P 3D? Ok. Use old drivers and not get the best out of my GTX 590 (top of the line $900 AUD at time of purchase).. ok. No thanks. I'll move to ATI and never recommend Nvidia again. I don't like the business model.
Partol said:
Reaves said:
To say I should have researched more is missing the point completely. Nvidia are not in the monitor business. They could easily make this monitor work 100%. They make money for certified 3D from manufacturers.. that sucks.. I paid a lot for my GTX 590 and should not be restricted to hardware. What is this apple??

Nvidia is not in the monitor business but they are in the 3D glasses business.
Unfortunately, Samsung decided to include non-nvidia 3D glasses with their monitor.
If Samsung did not include Samsung 3D glasses, then maybe Nvidia would certify this monitor for 3D vision.
Just use Tridef 3D or iZ3D.
iZ3D is out of business but their old 3D driver can be downloaded and used for free.
Or use the old nvidia driver, as Horus does.


Use Tridef and have side by side instead of full 1080P 3D? Ok. Use old drivers and not get the best out of my GTX 590 (top of the line $900 AUD at time of purchase).. ok.

No thanks. I'll move to ATI and never recommend Nvidia again. I don't like the business model.

#22
Posted 11/29/2012 10:34 PM   
Hi, The monitor is pretty new but as already mentioned not supported by 3D Vision and never was. You should still be able to sell the monitor without a huge loss. I currently own two 3D Vision monitors after buying the VG278H a few month back. Neither of my monitors work with any solution other than 3D Vision so why should every monitor on the planet work with 3D Vision. Because of the built-in transmitter together with framepacked hdmi 1.4 support I have been able to play my PS3 in 3D for the first time. Finally shouldn't you be angry at Samsung for intentionally making a monitor that does not support 3D Vision without communicating this point clearly enough. Samsung choose to make the new monitor unsupported by 3D Vision. Keep the monitor if you like but don't blame the situation on Nvidia.
Hi,

The monitor is pretty new but as already mentioned not supported by 3D Vision and never was.

You should still be able to sell the monitor without a huge loss.

I currently own two 3D Vision monitors after buying the VG278H a few month back.

Neither of my monitors work with any solution other than 3D Vision so why should every monitor on the planet work with 3D Vision. Because of the built-in transmitter together with framepacked hdmi 1.4 support I have been able to play my PS3 in 3D for the first time.

Finally shouldn't you be angry at Samsung for intentionally making a monitor that does not support 3D Vision without communicating this point clearly enough. Samsung choose to make the new monitor unsupported by 3D Vision. Keep the monitor if you like but don't blame the situation on Nvidia.

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#23
Posted 11/29/2012 10:59 PM   
Despite a bit of name calling I think we're all actually in the same boat here. I wish I could buy any 120hz monitor I wanted and use it with 3d vision but I can't. It's a niche product and probably within Nvidia they have to find justification for the funding, hence the royalties/fees whatever. Ask yourself why 3d vision is (generally) the best stereoscopic solution out there? My guess is precisely because of the reasons why ppl are annoyed. It's because they generated a dedicated revenue stream to support development. I bought my Nvidia card purely because of 3d vision support, but how many of the general population care about 3d?
Despite a bit of name calling I think we're all actually in the same boat here.
I wish I could buy any 120hz monitor I wanted and use it with 3d vision but I can't. It's a niche product and probably within Nvidia they have to find justification for the funding, hence the royalties/fees whatever.
Ask yourself why 3d vision is (generally) the best stereoscopic solution out there?
My guess is precisely because of the reasons why ppl are annoyed. It's because they generated a dedicated revenue stream to support development.
I bought my Nvidia card purely because of 3d vision support, but how many of the general population care about 3d?

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#24
Posted 11/29/2012 11:10 PM   
[quote="rustyk"] Ask yourself why 3d vision is (generally) the best stereoscopic solution out there?[/quote] Because they bought up the right company/technology which was the first to ever care about S3D.... I even think they nevr had a plan about S3D but just bough up Metabyte as they did with 3DFX just because they wanted and could afford to eliminate the sheer possibility of competition to rise . FYKI Metabyte at that time created drivers that even ouptperformed the generic drivers - e.g. you could run higher resolutions - in S3D! - on a Voodoo2 card than with the original drivers, you could mix'n'match differnt Voodo cards of different manufacturers with different video ram sizes to your liking, heck, even run V1 and V2 cards in SLI, you could havve Riva 128 and SLI'd Voodoo cards in one rig using the same stereoscopic driver and have the best of DirectX, OGL and Glide... !) Ever since then not much has ever happened to the driver core and it seems that nvidia themselves somehow got stuck with just preselecting values that once could be freely controlled by the user - which is a pity. I know it's very hard to change direction once business plans are set up and some white collars in charge have defined the course, still it's ad to see the potential of 3Dvision unused. S3D simply cannot and never will take off the ground with so many stones in it's way. Like I said, I guarantee a completely different situation if nvidia would let go and leave glasses and screens business of the monitor TV manufacturers. If their driver can deliver why not unleash the power before it's too late. Game developers that care implement have analized the situation and react. DoomIIBFG, Iron Sky:Invasion, MinerWars, Star Citizen, support S3D right in the engine, multiple formats, anaglyph page flip, SBS, T/B your choice....... It does not make a difference if you have ATI or nvidia, 120Hz, FPR, Occulus Rift... which at the end of the day means: less arguments to lay your money down for a nvidia card, simple as that.... And, btw, I'm a shareholder since Riva128 came out. So, yes, Sir, I DO want them to make a revenue as good as possible! ;)
rustyk said:
Ask yourself why 3d vision is (generally) the best stereoscopic solution out there?


Because they bought up the right company/technology which was the first to ever care about S3D....

I even think they nevr had a plan about S3D but just bough up Metabyte as they did with 3DFX just because they wanted and could afford to eliminate the sheer possibility of competition to rise . FYKI Metabyte at that time created drivers that even ouptperformed the generic drivers - e.g. you could run higher resolutions - in S3D! - on a Voodoo2 card than with the original drivers, you could mix'n'match differnt Voodo cards of different manufacturers with different video ram sizes to your liking, heck, even run V1 and V2 cards in SLI, you could havve Riva 128 and SLI'd Voodoo cards in one rig using the same stereoscopic driver and have the best of DirectX, OGL and Glide... !)

Ever since then not much has ever happened to the driver core and it seems that nvidia themselves somehow got stuck with just preselecting values that once could be freely controlled by the user - which is a pity. I know it's very hard to change direction once business plans are set up and some white collars in charge have defined the course, still it's ad to see the potential of 3Dvision unused.

S3D simply cannot and never will take off the ground with so many stones in it's way. Like I said, I guarantee a completely different situation if nvidia would let go and leave glasses and screens business of the monitor TV manufacturers. If their driver can deliver why not unleash the power before it's too late.

Game developers that care implement have analized the situation and react. DoomIIBFG, Iron Sky:Invasion, MinerWars, Star Citizen, support S3D right in the engine, multiple formats, anaglyph page flip, SBS, T/B your choice....... It does not make a difference if you have ATI or nvidia, 120Hz, FPR, Occulus Rift... which at the end of the day means: less arguments to lay your money down for a nvidia card, simple as that....

And, btw, I'm a shareholder since Riva128 came out. So, yes, Sir, I DO want them to make a revenue as good as possible! ;)

#25
Posted 11/30/2012 12:16 AM   
[quote="joker18"]Partol you are indeed a fan-boy. Just post something on your Facebook page, draw something, make a Nvidia song or something and leave grownups with their problems.[/quote] He's a fanboy for giving sound advice? Please leave the namecalling at the door if you want to discuss this like a grownup.... [quote="Reaves"] Use Tridef and have side by side instead of full 1080P 3D? Ok. Use old drivers and not get the best out of my GTX 590 (top of the line $900 AUD at time of purchase).. ok. No thanks. I'll move to ATI and never recommend Nvidia again. I don't like the business model.[/quote] While I'm sure most everyone here has some sympathy for your situation, the reality of it is this could've been avoided if you did the research before buying. Going ATI is certainly an alternative, but that would be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. By doing a little bit of research in advance, you might prevent another mistake from occurring rather than making a rash decision fueled by emotions. Better to cut your losses imo and sell the display and pick up a supported Nvidia solution, or as someone mentioned, there are unofficial EDID hacks to get your display working. At least now you can't say you weren't informed. :)
joker18 said:Partol you are indeed a fan-boy.
Just post something on your Facebook page, draw something, make a Nvidia song or something and leave grownups with their problems.

He's a fanboy for giving sound advice? Please leave the namecalling at the door if you want to discuss this like a grownup....

Reaves said:
Use Tridef and have side by side instead of full 1080P 3D? Ok. Use old drivers and not get the best out of my GTX 590 (top of the line $900 AUD at time of purchase).. ok.

No thanks. I'll move to ATI and never recommend Nvidia again. I don't like the business model.

While I'm sure most everyone here has some sympathy for your situation, the reality of it is this could've been avoided if you did the research before buying. Going ATI is certainly an alternative, but that would be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face. By doing a little bit of research in advance, you might prevent another mistake from occurring rather than making a rash decision fueled by emotions.

Better to cut your losses imo and sell the display and pick up a supported Nvidia solution, or as someone mentioned, there are unofficial EDID hacks to get your display working. At least now you can't say you weren't informed. :)

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#26
Posted 11/30/2012 12:53 AM   
I don't blame Samsung I blame Nvidia. Why would I want to use 3D vision glasses all the time? My monitor I can plug a console or Blu-ray player to it and use 3D funtions on it. Can you do that on a 3D vision monitor? My research i've done lead me to still want my superior monitor. Point still remains that my monitor can work with Nvidia cards and 3D vision but Nvidia decided to block it. If it's about money then include frame sequential in TV PLAY.. I'd happily pay for TV play.. Strategic decision by Nvidia decided against it. And for that they didn't just lose a customer.. they lost a high-end tech buying Nvidia fanboy.
I don't blame Samsung I blame Nvidia.

Why would I want to use 3D vision glasses all the time? My monitor I can plug a console or Blu-ray player to it and use 3D funtions on it.

Can you do that on a 3D vision monitor? My research i've done lead me to still want my superior monitor.

Point still remains that my monitor can work with Nvidia cards and 3D vision but Nvidia decided to block it. If it's about money then include frame sequential in TV PLAY.. I'd happily pay for TV play..

Strategic decision by Nvidia decided against it. And for that they didn't just lose a customer.. they lost a high-end tech buying Nvidia fanboy.

#27
Posted 11/30/2012 05:45 AM   
[quote="Reaves"]I don't blame Samsung I blame Nvidia. Why would I want to use 3D vision glasses all the time? My monitor I can plug a console or Blu-ray player to it and use 3D funtions on it. Can you do that on a 3D vision monitor? My research i've done lead me to still want my superior monitor. Point still remains that my monitor can work with Nvidia cards and 3D vision but Nvidia decided to block it. If it's about money then include frame sequential in TV PLAY.. I'd happily pay for TV play.. Strategic decision by Nvidia decided against it. And for that they didn't just lose a customer.. they lost a high-end tech buying Nvidia fanboy. [/quote] And why would you absolve Samsung of all blame in the matter? You do realize Nvidia and Samsung collaborated on the first 120Hz LCD display that also supported 3D Vision right? How many 120Hz LCDs were on the market before this release? How many 3DTVs did Samsung make before this display? How many 3D glasses did Samsung make and sell before this display? If you look at the chronology of events you would see the clearly obvious. Samsung wanted to cash in on what they viewed to be a potentially lucrative 3D market. Why help sell someone else's tech when you can copy it and make it yourself? This should come as no surprise as that is clearly Samsung's business model. Collaborate, differentiate and self-produce to maximize profits and market share. Just because Nvidia could technically make your display work with 3D Vision does not mean they are obligated to do so. That would be akin to asking Samsung to officially support iOS, or Apple to support Android, it's technically possible but it's just not going to happen. In a perfect world Nvidia would support every 3D tech out there but that's obviously impractical and at the end of the day, their primary responsibility is to ensure 3D Vision remains relevant to those users who have already bought into the tech, like me. That doesn't involve supporting other technologies from manufacturers that have no interested in reciprocating support. Still, they do a pretty good job of it as they will support pretty much anything they consider an HDTV that does not directly compete with their 3D Vision offerings. They have stated on these forums in the past that they will not support the Samsung displays smaller than 32" nor the Sony PS 3D display. Also, with your concern about console/blu-ray 3D being compatible with your display, the Asus VG278H does support this functionality over HDMI, it's an advertised feature. Pretty sure the BenQ and any other display with a built-in emitter fully supports HDMI 1.4 3D, not sure how you missed this if you did actually research the issue......
Reaves said:I don't blame Samsung I blame Nvidia.

Why would I want to use 3D vision glasses all the time? My monitor I can plug a console or Blu-ray player to it and use 3D funtions on it.

Can you do that on a 3D vision monitor? My research i've done lead me to still want my superior monitor.

Point still remains that my monitor can work with Nvidia cards and 3D vision but Nvidia decided to block it. If it's about money then include frame sequential in TV PLAY.. I'd happily pay for TV play..

Strategic decision by Nvidia decided against it. And for that they didn't just lose a customer.. they lost a high-end tech buying Nvidia fanboy.

And why would you absolve Samsung of all blame in the matter? You do realize Nvidia and Samsung collaborated on the first 120Hz LCD display that also supported 3D Vision right? How many 120Hz LCDs were on the market before this release? How many 3DTVs did Samsung make before this display? How many 3D glasses did Samsung make and sell before this display?

If you look at the chronology of events you would see the clearly obvious. Samsung wanted to cash in on what they viewed to be a potentially lucrative 3D market. Why help sell someone else's tech when you can copy it and make it yourself? This should come as no surprise as that is clearly Samsung's business model. Collaborate, differentiate and self-produce to maximize profits and market share.

Just because Nvidia could technically make your display work with 3D Vision does not mean they are obligated to do so. That would be akin to asking Samsung to officially support iOS, or Apple to support Android, it's technically possible but it's just not going to happen.

In a perfect world Nvidia would support every 3D tech out there but that's obviously impractical and at the end of the day, their primary responsibility is to ensure 3D Vision remains relevant to those users who have already bought into the tech, like me. That doesn't involve supporting other technologies from manufacturers that have no interested in reciprocating support. Still, they do a pretty good job of it as they will support pretty much anything they consider an HDTV that does not directly compete with their 3D Vision offerings. They have stated on these forums in the past that they will not support the Samsung displays smaller than 32" nor the Sony PS 3D display.

Also, with your concern about console/blu-ray 3D being compatible with your display, the Asus VG278H does support this functionality over HDMI, it's an advertised feature. Pretty sure the BenQ and any other display with a built-in emitter fully supports HDMI 1.4 3D, not sure how you missed this if you did actually research the issue......

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#28
Posted 11/30/2012 02:25 PM   
Hi, I have a S27A950D myself, and I love it. Now, I understand that the glasses that come with it will not work with NVidia drivers, but it's slightly unclear that if I buy a 3D vision kit; Will my S27A950 work with my SLI GTX680's in 3D in frame-sequential mode? Thank you.
Hi,

I have a S27A950D myself, and I love it.

Now, I understand that the glasses that come with it will not work with NVidia drivers, but it's slightly unclear that if I buy a 3D vision kit; Will my S27A950 work with my SLI GTX680's in 3D in frame-sequential mode?

Thank you.

#29
Posted 11/30/2012 02:51 PM   
[quote="chiz1"] You do realize Nvidia and Samsung collaborated on the first 120Hz LCD display that also supported 3D Vision right? How many 120Hz LCDs were on the market before this release? How many 3DTVs did Samsung make before this display? How many 3D glasses did Samsung make and sell before this display? If you look at the chronology of events you would see the clearly obvious. Samsung wanted to cash in on what they viewed to be a potentially lucrative 3D market. [/quote] I would like to differntiate here a bit: nvidia for their part as said bought up for whatever reason Metabyte. At that time 3D was all about PC gaming - which is also one of nvidia's key markets. So it's more than natural that when re-entering 3D again after all these years of absence the focus was on that: gaming. They needed monitors though to get the tech available so they teamed up with monitor manufacturers: Samsung, ViewSonic, Zalman. (Uh remenber Zalman? INTERLACED LINE SCANNING OUTPUT, again something that disappeared from the feature list). That was "the golden age" for 3DVision. Then there came HDMI1.4a and out of a sudden 3DTVs, PS3 and 3D BluRayplayers shifted the focus to 3D Entertainment (movies and 3D console gaming) - away from the PC and thus nvidias market. Samsung on their behalf have always been making most of their revenue in the entertainment sector. So, what would you expect them to do? Naturally, moving over to HDMI 1.4 and a homogenized technology throughout their product range. So, it's NOT, that they tried to rip of nvidias technology by jumping on the bandwagon hijacking technology, no, they were just shifting focus on their core business. Still, with the 750/950 series, beside framepackaged signals they still would [b][i]allow[/i][/b] 120Hz frame sequencial signals over DP1.2 - an option that [i]nvidia on their part despite of being capable to deliver [b]deliberately[/b] choosed to turn down[/i]. So nvidia is in fact narrowing in their own market. I leave it open for discussion whether that should or could be considered smart marketing or not. [quote="chiz1"]In a perfect world Nvidia would support every 3D tech out there but that's obviously impractical and at the end of the day, their primary responsibility is to ensure 3D Vision remains relevant to those users who have already bought into the tech, like me. [/quote] And me - after all I bought nvidia cards back then and now foer stereoscopic support and I bought the glasses. I wouldn't even have a problem settling with a "3Dvision ready" monitor - heck I even tried (and still do own the Sammy RZ2233 and the HannsG 236) if it weren't that they just plain SXXX.... As it is of now, I don't feel like putting my hard earned cash down on a flimsy TN panel that doesn't even reproduce 1920x1080 in [b]2D[/b] and thus leaving my 3Dvision glasses unused, which in the end sets at stake that my next card should be green again.... So once more, I leave it open for you to decide if that's clever marketing management... So, fisrt: It would be sooo easy just to frakking output 120Hz S3D regardless of the display. Period. Then I would feel they ensure that my investment in "3Dvision remains relevant" for me, as a paying customer. 2nd suggestion I had for them to have 3Dvision stay "in business" (as this is at risk with becoming more and more a niche solution) was to at least add 1080@30 in 3DTV Play.... And 3rd: if making money on the graphic board is not enough revenue for 3D support, why don't they just sell a USB dongle for 50 bucks or so that kicks 120Hz and 3DTV off on any monitor and can be kept as a valid license independent of your Windows install? Saves money on the glasses (they could still bundle it with willing monitor manufacturers) Or how about an iLok or eLicenser key? As Horus said: "I am not alone" I have been around these forums since 2006 and it's always been the same begging and pledging with never a positive feedback from nvidia - actually you will find more rants than praise than in any other forum I've been around. So just guess why.... binglese: all that a 3Dvision kit would bring is you to have a hardware dongle for 3DTVPLAY output, which means 720@120Hz or 1080@24 Unless you look elsewhere for cheating around, that is.... (see where this leads to. I leave it open if that's to be consid.... oh, I think I said something like this already....) BTW. this forum definitely lacks a "go last post" button....
chiz1 said:
You do realize Nvidia and Samsung collaborated on the first 120Hz LCD display that also supported 3D Vision right? How many 120Hz LCDs were on the market before this release? How many 3DTVs did Samsung make before this display? How many 3D glasses did Samsung make and sell before this display?

If you look at the chronology of events you would see the clearly obvious. Samsung wanted to cash in on what they viewed to be a potentially lucrative 3D market.


I would like to differntiate here a bit:

nvidia for their part as said bought up for whatever reason Metabyte. At that time 3D was all about PC gaming - which is also one of nvidia's key markets. So it's more than natural that when re-entering 3D again after all these years of absence the focus was on that: gaming. They needed monitors though to get the tech available so they teamed up with monitor manufacturers: Samsung, ViewSonic, Zalman. (Uh remenber Zalman? INTERLACED LINE SCANNING OUTPUT, again something that disappeared from the feature list).

That was "the golden age" for 3DVision.
Then there came HDMI1.4a and out of a sudden 3DTVs, PS3 and 3D BluRayplayers shifted the focus to 3D Entertainment (movies and 3D console gaming) - away from the PC and thus nvidias market.

Samsung on their behalf have always been making most of their revenue in the entertainment sector. So, what would you expect them to do? Naturally, moving over to HDMI 1.4 and a homogenized technology throughout their product range.

So, it's NOT, that they tried to rip of nvidias technology by jumping on the bandwagon hijacking technology, no, they were just shifting focus on their core business.

Still, with the 750/950 series, beside framepackaged signals they still would allow 120Hz frame sequencial signals over DP1.2 - an option that nvidia on their part despite of being capable to deliver deliberately choosed to turn down.

So nvidia is in fact narrowing in their own market. I leave it open for discussion whether that should or could be considered smart marketing or not.

chiz1 said:In a perfect world Nvidia would support every 3D tech out there but that's obviously impractical and at the end of the day, their primary responsibility is to ensure 3D Vision remains relevant to those users who have already bought into the tech, like me.

And me - after all I bought nvidia cards back then and now foer stereoscopic support and I bought the glasses. I wouldn't even have a problem settling with a "3Dvision ready" monitor - heck I even tried (and still do own the Sammy RZ2233 and the HannsG 236) if it weren't that they just plain SXXX....

As it is of now, I don't feel like putting my hard earned cash down on a flimsy TN panel that
doesn't even reproduce 1920x1080 in 2D and thus leaving my 3Dvision glasses unused, which in the end sets at stake that my next card should be green again.... So once more, I leave it open for you to decide if that's clever marketing management...


So, fisrt: It would be sooo easy just to frakking output 120Hz S3D regardless of the display. Period. Then I would feel they ensure that my investment in "3Dvision remains relevant" for me, as a paying customer.

2nd suggestion I had for them to have 3Dvision stay "in business" (as this is at risk with becoming more and more a niche solution) was to at least add 1080@30 in 3DTV Play....

And 3rd: if making money on the graphic board is not enough revenue for 3D support, why don't they just sell a USB dongle for 50 bucks or so that kicks 120Hz and 3DTV off on any monitor and can be kept as a valid license independent of your Windows install? Saves money on the glasses (they could still bundle it with willing monitor manufacturers) Or how about an iLok or eLicenser key?


As Horus said: "I am not alone" I have been around these forums since 2006 and it's always been the same begging and pledging with never a positive feedback from nvidia - actually you will find more rants than praise than in any other forum I've been around. So just guess why....

binglese: all that a 3Dvision kit would bring is you to have a hardware dongle for 3DTVPLAY output, which means 720@120Hz or 1080@24 Unless you look elsewhere for cheating around, that is....
(see where this leads to. I leave it open if that's to be consid.... oh, I think I said something like this already....)

BTW. this forum definitely lacks a "go last post" button....

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Posted 11/30/2012 06:00 PM   
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