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Hello.
I'm getting a LG 42LF652V Passive 3D TV soon and need to upgrade my graphics card before I get it.
The TV will be connected via HDMI 1.4 to my PC and used as my main monitor for 3d BLU-Rays mainly but some 3D gaming - especially World of Warcraft.
The choice is between the GTX 960 & R9 380.
Both seem to have their pro's and con's but from my understanding the R9 380 4GB is the better card for the money but HD3D is inferior to Nvidia's 3DTV Play and then there comes the issue of TV compatibility.
I have been told that 3DTV Play has issues with some TV's for no good reason whereas AMD HD3D works with all TV's with no issue, is there a complete list of TV's that 3DTV Play is compatible with?
I'm fully aware where I am and will probably get some biased answers but can anyone offer some advice as I'm getting really confused with it all, TriDef DDD vs 3DTV Play, 960 vs 380, no matter who I ask I get either a conflicting answer or no direct answer at all.
Thank you.
I'm getting a LG 42LF652V Passive 3D TV soon and need to upgrade my graphics card before I get it.
The TV will be connected via HDMI 1.4 to my PC and used as my main monitor for 3d BLU-Rays mainly but some 3D gaming - especially World of Warcraft.
The choice is between the GTX 960 & R9 380.
Both seem to have their pro's and con's but from my understanding the R9 380 4GB is the better card for the money but HD3D is inferior to Nvidia's 3DTV Play and then there comes the issue of TV compatibility.
I have been told that 3DTV Play has issues with some TV's for no good reason whereas AMD HD3D works with all TV's with no issue, is there a complete list of TV's that 3DTV Play is compatible with?
I'm fully aware where I am and will probably get some biased answers but can anyone offer some advice as I'm getting really confused with it all, TriDef DDD vs 3DTV Play, 960 vs 380, no matter who I ask I get either a conflicting answer or no direct answer at all.
TriDef's Ignition and NVIDIA's 3D Vision provide equally good, true 3D immersive gaming, when properly adjusted, and modified to fix (or remove) similar broken shaders. NVIDIA is currently only supporting 3D Vision driver updates, but is EXTREMELY fortunate to have a small group of VERY talented community members (see [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/903343/3d-vision/darkstarswords-patreon-page/[/url], for example) providing user community fixes for recent games. See [url]http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html[/url]. Ignition has a larger library of older games, but is currently providing infrequent updates, including only several new games per year - many fewer new games than 3D Vision user community currently supports.
AMD 380 only works with Ignition, while 960 will work with both Ignition and 3D Vision. I suggest getting 960, and using 1080p EDID modification for passive 1080p HDTVs (discussed in other threads in this forum), rather than inferior 3DTV Play. Note that for 1080p gaming, 3DTV Play has more lag than Optimized for NVIDIA GeForce (enabled with EDID mod).
TriDef's Ignition and NVIDIA's 3D Vision provide equally good, true 3D immersive gaming, when properly adjusted, and modified to fix (or remove) similar broken shaders. NVIDIA is currently only supporting 3D Vision driver updates, but is EXTREMELY fortunate to have a small group of VERY talented community members (see https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/903343/3d-vision/darkstarswords-patreon-page/, for example) providing user community fixes for recent games. See http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html. Ignition has a larger library of older games, but is currently providing infrequent updates, including only several new games per year - many fewer new games than 3D Vision user community currently supports.
AMD 380 only works with Ignition, while 960 will work with both Ignition and 3D Vision. I suggest getting 960, and using 1080p EDID modification for passive 1080p HDTVs (discussed in other threads in this forum), rather than inferior 3DTV Play. Note that for 1080p gaming, 3DTV Play has more lag than Optimized for NVIDIA GeForce (enabled with EDID mod).
Having a google around at this EDID mod I came across a page from 2010 that says the EDID hack only works via DVI Mode and that you have to sacrifice the HDMI connection and it's audio.
I planned to use HDMI and it's audio. I was going to go TV - HDMI - GTX960 | Sound Card - Optical cable - 5.1 surround Speakers so the HDMI carried the audio from the PC to the TV, will I not be able to do this now or has a fix been found since 2010?
Thank you.
Having a google around at this EDID mod I came across a page from 2010 that says the EDID hack only works via DVI Mode and that you have to sacrifice the HDMI connection and it's audio.
I planned to use HDMI and it's audio. I was going to go TV - HDMI - GTX960 | Sound Card - Optical cable - 5.1 surround Speakers so the HDMI carried the audio from the PC to the TV, will I not be able to do this now or has a fix been found since 2010?
[quote="HammerSaints"]Excellent, Thank you.
Lets hope that one works with the LG 42LF652V.
Thanks again.[/quote]
I using it with my Samsung's 3D TV and it works fine it should work on LG 42LF652V
Here is a link EDID mods
http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/edid-override/
also make sure that you adjust convergence to get the best 3D effect.
http://3dvision-blog.com/111-changing-the-convergence-level-in-3d-vision/
also if you have a problem with a game, there's probably already a solution posted
for better search results, see
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/824274/
Thanks.
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
[i]"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."[/i]
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
Is this not the case?
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
[quote="HammerSaints"]Thanks.
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
[i]"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."[/i]
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
Is this not the case?[/quote]
There are two types of EDID overrides. One is Driver based. One is "hardware" based;)
First you need to understand how it works.
Each, TV/Monitor has an EDID firmware stored inside it. This firmware "tells" the other end what it supports and how it works.
The driver downloads this EDID from the Monitor when you connect it to the PC. It makes a copy of it and stores in the PC. Then each time you start Windows the local copy of the EDID is used;)
I think the EDID everyone is using is the local copy of the firmware;) Basically Windows will "think" you have a different hardware connected;) Your internal firmware will not be touched;) Thus nothing will happen to your TV/Monitor.
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
Is this not the case?
There are two types of EDID overrides. One is Driver based. One is "hardware" based;)
First you need to understand how it works.
Each, TV/Monitor has an EDID firmware stored inside it. This firmware "tells" the other end what it supports and how it works.
The driver downloads this EDID from the Monitor when you connect it to the PC. It makes a copy of it and stores in the PC. Then each time you start Windows the local copy of the EDID is used;)
I think the EDID everyone is using is the local copy of the firmware;) Basically Windows will "think" you have a different hardware connected;) Your internal firmware will not be touched;) Thus nothing will happen to your TV/Monitor.
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
[quote="HammerSaints"]Thanks.
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
[i]"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."[/i]
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
Is this not the case?[/quote]
That is no flashing firmware on the TV it's a windows driver install and very simple to rollback to the original.
As Helifax stated this EDID mod does not touch the firmware of the 3DTV it fools windows into thinking a monitor is connected.
In my case windows reports under device manager my monitor is a Acer HR274H 3D Monitor when I'm using a Samsung 55HU9000 this also works with my Samsung 46c7000 this enables me to play 3D @ 1080P@60HZ without 3DTV play license.
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
Is this not the case?
That is no flashing firmware on the TV it's a windows driver install and very simple to rollback to the original.
As Helifax stated this EDID mod does not touch the firmware of the 3DTV it fools windows into thinking a monitor is connected.
In my case windows reports under device manager my monitor is a Acer HR274H 3D Monitor when I'm using a Samsung 55HU9000 this also works with my Samsung 46c7000 this enables me to play 3D @ 1080P@60HZ without 3DTV play license.
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
Flashing your TV is not required to do the EDID "hack", it's really only installing an INF [i]on your PC[/i] that spoofs the name of your TV so the Nvidia drivers will pick it up. As for any modes that will brick your TV, I doubt it.
Flashing your TV is not required to do the EDID "hack", it's really only installing an INF on your PC that spoofs the name of your TV so the Nvidia drivers will pick it up. As for any modes that will brick your TV, I doubt it.
The problem was with "old" displays that had a reprogrammable eeprom. Plus back then, the drivers from the manufacturers were designed to write to the eeprom, so if you used it on the wrong monitor, it could brick it.
Nowadays, the eeprom is write protected. It's really hard to reprogram it out in the field, so it's typically only done at the manufacturer. If you ever want to write to the eeprom, there's a user over at Meant To Be Seen forums that has a method. He went by Nick3DVB or something like that.
Microsoft added EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) overrides to Windows to address any issues that arose from the Manufacturer's EDID when connected to a PC. The EDID is only changed locally in the Windows Registry.
This allows manufacturers to rewrite the EDID if their Display is having issues when connected to a PC and update it via Windows Update. The information is then updated in your "registry" not the eeprom.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj133967(v=vs.85).aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM
Also note that when performing an EDID override, it only applies it to that connection being used for that Display. So if you unplug it and switch it to another output on the GPU, the override will need reapplied.
The problem was with "old" displays that had a reprogrammable eeprom. Plus back then, the drivers from the manufacturers were designed to write to the eeprom, so if you used it on the wrong monitor, it could brick it.
Nowadays, the eeprom is write protected. It's really hard to reprogram it out in the field, so it's typically only done at the manufacturer. If you ever want to write to the eeprom, there's a user over at Meant To Be Seen forums that has a method. He went by Nick3DVB or something like that.
Microsoft added EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) overrides to Windows to address any issues that arose from the Manufacturer's EDID when connected to a PC. The EDID is only changed locally in the Windows Registry.
This allows manufacturers to rewrite the EDID if their Display is having issues when connected to a PC and update it via Windows Update. The information is then updated in your "registry" not the eeprom.
Also note that when performing an EDID override, it only applies it to that connection being used for that Display. So if you unplug it and switch it to another output on the GPU, the override will need reapplied.
I'm getting a LG 42LF652V Passive 3D TV soon and need to upgrade my graphics card before I get it.
The TV will be connected via HDMI 1.4 to my PC and used as my main monitor for 3d BLU-Rays mainly but some 3D gaming - especially World of Warcraft.
The choice is between the GTX 960 & R9 380.
Both seem to have their pro's and con's but from my understanding the R9 380 4GB is the better card for the money but HD3D is inferior to Nvidia's 3DTV Play and then there comes the issue of TV compatibility.
I have been told that 3DTV Play has issues with some TV's for no good reason whereas AMD HD3D works with all TV's with no issue, is there a complete list of TV's that 3DTV Play is compatible with?
I'm fully aware where I am and will probably get some biased answers but can anyone offer some advice as I'm getting really confused with it all, TriDef DDD vs 3DTV Play, 960 vs 380, no matter who I ask I get either a conflicting answer or no direct answer at all.
Thank you.
AMD 380 only works with Ignition, while 960 will work with both Ignition and 3D Vision. I suggest getting 960, and using 1080p EDID modification for passive 1080p HDTVs (discussed in other threads in this forum), rather than inferior 3DTV Play. Note that for 1080p gaming, 3DTV Play has more lag than Optimized for NVIDIA GeForce (enabled with EDID mod).
I planned to use HDMI and it's audio. I was going to go TV - HDMI - GTX960 | Sound Card - Optical cable - 5.1 surround Speakers so the HDMI carried the audio from the PC to the TV, will I not be able to do this now or has a fix been found since 2010?
Thank you.
If I remember correctly the Acer HR274H 3D Monitor EDID Override supports audio over HDMI.
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Lets hope that one works with the LG 42LF652V.
Thanks again.
I using it with my Samsung's 3D TV and it works fine it should work on LG 42LF652V
Here is a link EDID mods
http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/edid-override/
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
Thank you so much.
Really appreciated.
http://3dvision-blog.com/111-changing-the-convergence-level-in-3d-vision/
also if you have a problem with a game, there's probably already a solution posted
for better search results, see
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/824274/
On another forum where I asked a similar question I received this answer:
"Honestly, I would not bother with the EDID hack.
It can mess up certain features (if your real TV has different modes than are in the "fake" EDID you flash it with), and you could also potentially brick your TV if you do it wrong."
Does that mean I have to flash my TV? I really don't like the sound of that.
I was under the impression it was going to be PC based, something similar to 3DTV Play but better and if their were any issues it could easily be removed.
Is this not the case?
There are two types of EDID overrides. One is Driver based. One is "hardware" based;)
First you need to understand how it works.
Each, TV/Monitor has an EDID firmware stored inside it. This firmware "tells" the other end what it supports and how it works.
The driver downloads this EDID from the Monitor when you connect it to the PC. It makes a copy of it and stores in the PC. Then each time you start Windows the local copy of the EDID is used;)
I think the EDID everyone is using is the local copy of the firmware;) Basically Windows will "think" you have a different hardware connected;) Your internal firmware will not be touched;) Thus nothing will happen to your TV/Monitor.
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com
(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)
That is no flashing firmware on the TV it's a windows driver install and very simple to rollback to the original.
As Helifax stated this EDID mod does not touch the firmware of the 3DTV it fools windows into thinking a monitor is connected.
In my case windows reports under device manager my monitor is a Acer HR274H 3D Monitor when I'm using a Samsung 55HU9000 this also works with my Samsung 46c7000 this enables me to play 3D @ 1080P@60HZ without 3DTV play license.
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
Nowadays, the eeprom is write protected. It's really hard to reprogram it out in the field, so it's typically only done at the manufacturer. If you ever want to write to the eeprom, there's a user over at Meant To Be Seen forums that has a method. He went by Nick3DVB or something like that.
Microsoft added EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) overrides to Windows to address any issues that arose from the Manufacturer's EDID when connected to a PC. The EDID is only changed locally in the Windows Registry.
This allows manufacturers to rewrite the EDID if their Display is having issues when connected to a PC and update it via Windows Update. The information is then updated in your "registry" not the eeprom.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj133967(v=vs.85).aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM
Also note that when performing an EDID override, it only applies it to that connection being used for that Display. So if you unplug it and switch it to another output on the GPU, the override will need reapplied.
That's how I understood it initially.
Looking forward to trying it.
Thanks again.