[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031938' date='Apr 1 2010, 09:54 AM']How would you explain that video then. Is not it clear?
I do not know how ghosting reduction is implemented but apparently it is ...[/quote]
I am just being honest. Too many unknowns. I would like to know every detail about every bit of equipment used in the video. Just because the video isn't showing top and bottom screen ghosting doesnt mean it isn't there. Like I said above, people have used high speed cameras to prove, without a doubt, that top and bottom screen ghosting is inherent to how an LCD refreshes the screen, you can look these threads up here. Unless they can somehow change how lcd tech functions with drivers I don't expect this little, and i mean very little, problem to go away.
As I said, I hope you are right and I am wrong I really do. And the fact that I am disagreeing with you is not a personal shot at you. I just really have strong doubts about ghosting being alleviated on the top and the bottom of the screen due to the new cards. Although I imagine by the second week of April I will know for myself.
I am just being honest. Too many unknowns. I would like to know every detail about every bit of equipment used in the video. Just because the video isn't showing top and bottom screen ghosting doesnt mean it isn't there. Like I said above, people have used high speed cameras to prove, without a doubt, that top and bottom screen ghosting is inherent to how an LCD refreshes the screen, you can look these threads up here. Unless they can somehow change how lcd tech functions with drivers I don't expect this little, and i mean very little, problem to go away.
As I said, I hope you are right and I am wrong I really do. And the fact that I am disagreeing with you is not a personal shot at you. I just really have strong doubts about ghosting being alleviated on the top and the bottom of the screen due to the new cards. Although I imagine by the second week of April I will know for myself.
[quote name='MistaP' post='1031958' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM'], people have used high speed cameras to prove, without a doubt, that top and bottom screen ghosting is inherent to how an LCD refreshes the screen, you can look these threads up here.[/quote]
Shots with high speed camera do not proove relation between ghosting and monitor refreshes.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.
[quote name='MistaP' post='1031958' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:18 PM'], people have used high speed cameras to prove, without a doubt, that top and bottom screen ghosting is inherent to how an LCD refreshes the screen, you can look these threads up here.
Shots with high speed camera do not proove relation between ghosting and monitor refreshes.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.
I guess that the result in the video doesn't depend on Fermi-hardware. I think it's the new driver. Have you seen when he presses the hotkey? It seems to be the long awaited "glasses delay" setting which was available in the registry without hotkey but didn't had result when changed manually.
I guess that the result in the video doesn't depend on Fermi-hardware. I think it's the new driver. Have you seen when he presses the hotkey? It seems to be the long awaited "glasses delay" setting which was available in the registry without hotkey but didn't had result when changed manually.
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[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031979' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:55 AM']Shots with high speed camera do not proove relation between ghosting and monitor refreshes.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.[/quote]
Yes, these tests done and recorded on high speed cameras do, in fact, prove that top and bottom screen ghosting is related to how LCD technology refreshes. You should look up these tests because I can’t explain it as well as the test showed. I will try and explain it a different way, but this is my last attempt lol.
If you were to slow down (which is what filming with a high speed camera and then slowing what was filmed down does, without missing frames as would occur on a normal camera) time and watch an LCD monitor refresh it redraws the screen from the top to the bottom; not all at once. If you do this same thing and watch the glasses shutters open and close you will see they do not refresh from top to bottom but rather all at once.
This leads to top and bottom ghosting. The top part of the screen is showing the next image before the shutters switch eyes. Thus you get a small trace of the wrong entering the wrong eye on the top of the screen. The middle of the screen is drawn after the top and is correctly in sync with the shutters and looks proper. Then the bottom portion of the screen is being displayed, but the shutters have switched again, and thus you get, like the top porting, traces of the wrong angled image entering the wrong eye.
Again, top and bottom screen ghosting isn’t present on DLPs. DLPs don’t refresh the screen like LCDs. Again, being further proof that it is a flaw inherent to LCDs, not the gpus, not the glasses, not the software(however software adjustments could help), not the emitters.
Like I said above, being that this is what causes top and bottom screen ghosting it has been stated by many in the past that slight microsecond adjustments to how long each shutter stays closed would fix the problem, but may likely introduce flickering as each eye being blocked by the shutter for longer periods of time.
If this kind of a fix was implemented it isn’t because of the new video card. It would be software/driver side, as it has been discovered that the registry contains information in relation to shutter timing/delay. If ghosting is in fact fixed, and I hope you are right I really do, it will be a software fix, and that doesn’t really make me too happy with nVidia’s 3d driver support. Why? Because it was a long time ago that it was proven this is the cause of top and bottom ghosting … and it was a long time ago that people here asked nVidia to allow them to control their timings. Basically, the issue could have been fixed a long time ago; if everything is how I understand. This makes me doubt things even more because why wouldn’t nVidia fix one of the most common and complained about flaws … unless they are going to use it as a marketing ploy and release the fix with the 400s to fool the uninformed. “Buy a new 400 series card they don’t ghost like the old cards did.â€
Again, I hope I am wrong. This is simply how I understand things.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031979' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:55 AM']It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.[/quote]
You are absolutely right that it is a chain and they all have to work together in harmony. What I am saying basically is LCD technology upsets this harmony just a little, not the video card.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031979' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:55 AM']Shots with high speed camera do not proove relation between ghosting and monitor refreshes.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.
Yes, these tests done and recorded on high speed cameras do, in fact, prove that top and bottom screen ghosting is related to how LCD technology refreshes. You should look up these tests because I can’t explain it as well as the test showed. I will try and explain it a different way, but this is my last attempt lol.
If you were to slow down (which is what filming with a high speed camera and then slowing what was filmed down does, without missing frames as would occur on a normal camera) time and watch an LCD monitor refresh it redraws the screen from the top to the bottom; not all at once. If you do this same thing and watch the glasses shutters open and close you will see they do not refresh from top to bottom but rather all at once.
This leads to top and bottom ghosting. The top part of the screen is showing the next image before the shutters switch eyes. Thus you get a small trace of the wrong entering the wrong eye on the top of the screen. The middle of the screen is drawn after the top and is correctly in sync with the shutters and looks proper. Then the bottom portion of the screen is being displayed, but the shutters have switched again, and thus you get, like the top porting, traces of the wrong angled image entering the wrong eye.
Again, top and bottom screen ghosting isn’t present on DLPs. DLPs don’t refresh the screen like LCDs. Again, being further proof that it is a flaw inherent to LCDs, not the gpus, not the glasses, not the software(however software adjustments could help), not the emitters.
Like I said above, being that this is what causes top and bottom screen ghosting it has been stated by many in the past that slight microsecond adjustments to how long each shutter stays closed would fix the problem, but may likely introduce flickering as each eye being blocked by the shutter for longer periods of time.
If this kind of a fix was implemented it isn’t because of the new video card. It would be software/driver side, as it has been discovered that the registry contains information in relation to shutter timing/delay. If ghosting is in fact fixed, and I hope you are right I really do, it will be a software fix, and that doesn’t really make me too happy with nVidia’s 3d driver support. Why? Because it was a long time ago that it was proven this is the cause of top and bottom ghosting … and it was a long time ago that people here asked nVidia to allow them to control their timings. Basically, the issue could have been fixed a long time ago; if everything is how I understand. This makes me doubt things even more because why wouldn’t nVidia fix one of the most common and complained about flaws … unless they are going to use it as a marketing ploy and release the fix with the 400s to fool the uninformed. “Buy a new 400 series card they don’t ghost like the old cards did.â€
Again, I hope I am wrong. This is simply how I understand things.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031979' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:55 AM']It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
You are absolutely right that it is a chain and they all have to work together in harmony. What I am saying basically is LCD technology upsets this harmony just a little, not the video card.
[quote name='Flint Eastwood' post='1031980' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:57 AM']I guess that the result in the video doesn't depend on Fermi-hardware. I think it's the new driver. Have you seen when he presses the hotkey? It seems to be the long awaited "glasses delay" setting which was available in the registry without hotkey but didn't had result when changed manually.[/quote]
Yea, if this is what is going on then it definitly confirms what I said above ... and if so ... shame on nvidia for waiting so long to do this.
[quote name='Flint Eastwood' post='1031980' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:57 AM']I guess that the result in the video doesn't depend on Fermi-hardware. I think it's the new driver. Have you seen when he presses the hotkey? It seems to be the long awaited "glasses delay" setting which was available in the registry without hotkey but didn't had result when changed manually.
Yea, if this is what is going on then it definitly confirms what I said above ... and if so ... shame on nvidia for waiting so long to do this.
I do not know, but what I have heard, driver and software programming is very difficult, do you think that you can create new features on people's demand? I do not know what are you expecting, that someone says ghosting and second day features are implemented?
I do not know, but what I have heard, driver and software programming is very difficult, do you think that you can create new features on people's demand? I do not know what are you expecting, that someone says ghosting and second day features are implemented?
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032009' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:29 AM']I do not know, but what I have heard, driver and software programming is very difficult, do you think that you can create new features on people's demand? I do not know what are you expecting, that someone says ghosting and second day features are implemented?[/quote]
I don't expect one day turn around or even one month turn around. But this stuff was figured out a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. Very very long. Like 5 or 6 driver releases ago ... maybe a year.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032009' date='Apr 1 2010, 11:29 AM']I do not know, but what I have heard, driver and software programming is very difficult, do you think that you can create new features on people's demand? I do not know what are you expecting, that someone says ghosting and second day features are implemented?
I don't expect one day turn around or even one month turn around. But this stuff was figured out a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. Very very long. Like 5 or 6 driver releases ago ... maybe a year.
What I have heard one year is nothing in software development, consider how many hardware nvidia has to support. And if they have programmers in India or China (no offence, I like India and China) it can take longer.
What I have heard one year is nothing in software development, consider how many hardware nvidia has to support. And if they have programmers in India or China (no offence, I like India and China) it can take longer.
I mean I say shame on nVidia and I am sure, again if it is how we are seeing it, they could have fixed it long ago. I can complain about this. I also think I know the reason why we here in 3d don’t see fixes as fast as we would like. It’s business.
3D isn’t nVidia’s cash cow. They will take care of what brings them the most money first. It isn’t 3D. It’s graphics cards … and not even high end graphics cards. That coupled with the massive amount of resources I assume they dumped into the 400 over the last year and I am sure there wasn’t a lot of surplus effort left to use on 3D.
I mean I say shame on nVidia and I am sure, again if it is how we are seeing it, they could have fixed it long ago. I can complain about this. I also think I know the reason why we here in 3d don’t see fixes as fast as we would like. It’s business.
3D isn’t nVidia’s cash cow. They will take care of what brings them the most money first. It isn’t 3D. It’s graphics cards … and not even high end graphics cards. That coupled with the massive amount of resources I assume they dumped into the 400 over the last year and I am sure there wasn’t a lot of surplus effort left to use on 3D.
I do not understand why you are nervous ... there is massive support going from nvidia to 3d vision, you are gonna have gtx 400 series with all new features and drivers anyway ...
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?
I do not understand why you are nervous ... there is massive support going from nvidia to 3d vision, you are gonna have gtx 400 series with all new features and drivers anyway ...
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032043' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:18 PM']I do not understand why you are nervous ... there is massive support going from nvidia to 3d vision, you are gonna have gtx 400 series with all new features and drivers anyway ...
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?[/quote]
Massive support? I fail to see it. eWe have to wait months after the release of AAA titles just for a 3D profile ... Bioshock2 is a great example.
As ar as the link for proof run a search command in these forums. It's been posted and reposted.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032043' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:18 PM']I do not understand why you are nervous ... there is massive support going from nvidia to 3d vision, you are gonna have gtx 400 series with all new features and drivers anyway ...
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?
Massive support? I fail to see it. eWe have to wait months after the release of AAA titles just for a 3D profile ... Bioshock2 is a great example.
As ar as the link for proof run a search command in these forums. It's been posted and reposted.
When I search for "ghosting proof" term, nothing is returned. There is no such a proof.
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
[i]It is just a youtube video ... [/i]
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032071' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:51 PM']When I search for "ghosting proof" term, nothing is returned. There is no such a proof.
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
[i]It is just a youtube video ... [/i]
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
all things together -> Nvidia ROCKS[/quote]
Well, they weren’t just youtube videos and the information is there. They were tests run with expensive equipment in controlled settings trying different methods to create different results and compared to different display types all done so by people who truly understand the technology. They provided videos and very detailed explanations pointing out all of it. Sorry that trying any more than one search term leads you to believe that the information isn’t available. You can believe what you want, but unfortunately, you are wrong.
“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink,†as they say.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1032071' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:51 PM']When I search for "ghosting proof" term, nothing is returned. There is no such a proof.
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
It is just a youtube video ...
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
all things together -> Nvidia ROCKS
Well, they weren’t just youtube videos and the information is there. They were tests run with expensive equipment in controlled settings trying different methods to create different results and compared to different display types all done so by people who truly understand the technology. They provided videos and very detailed explanations pointing out all of it. Sorry that trying any more than one search term leads you to believe that the information isn’t available. You can believe what you want, but unfortunately, you are wrong.
“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink,†as they say.
I do not know how ghosting reduction is implemented but apparently it is ...[/quote]
It is just a youtube video ...
I do not know how ghosting reduction is implemented but apparently it is ...
It is just a youtube video ...
Thanks
Thanks
I am just being honest. Too many unknowns. I would like to know every detail about every bit of equipment used in the video. Just because the video isn't showing top and bottom screen ghosting doesnt mean it isn't there. Like I said above, people have used high speed cameras to prove, without a doubt, that top and bottom screen ghosting is inherent to how an LCD refreshes the screen, you can look these threads up here. Unless they can somehow change how lcd tech functions with drivers I don't expect this little, and i mean very little, problem to go away.
As I said, I hope you are right and I am wrong I really do. And the fact that I am disagreeing with you is not a personal shot at you. I just really have strong doubts about ghosting being alleviated on the top and the bottom of the screen due to the new cards. Although I imagine by the second week of April I will know for myself.
I am just being honest. Too many unknowns. I would like to know every detail about every bit of equipment used in the video. Just because the video isn't showing top and bottom screen ghosting doesnt mean it isn't there. Like I said above, people have used high speed cameras to prove, without a doubt, that top and bottom screen ghosting is inherent to how an LCD refreshes the screen, you can look these threads up here. Unless they can somehow change how lcd tech functions with drivers I don't expect this little, and i mean very little, problem to go away.
As I said, I hope you are right and I am wrong I really do. And the fact that I am disagreeing with you is not a personal shot at you. I just really have strong doubts about ghosting being alleviated on the top and the bottom of the screen due to the new cards. Although I imagine by the second week of April I will know for myself.
Shots with high speed camera do not proove relation between ghosting and monitor refreshes.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.
Shots with high speed camera do not proove relation between ghosting and monitor refreshes.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.
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It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.[/quote]
Yes, these tests done and recorded on high speed cameras do, in fact, prove that top and bottom screen ghosting is related to how LCD technology refreshes. You should look up these tests because I can’t explain it as well as the test showed. I will try and explain it a different way, but this is my last attempt lol.
If you were to slow down (which is what filming with a high speed camera and then slowing what was filmed down does, without missing frames as would occur on a normal camera) time and watch an LCD monitor refresh it redraws the screen from the top to the bottom; not all at once. If you do this same thing and watch the glasses shutters open and close you will see they do not refresh from top to bottom but rather all at once.
This leads to top and bottom ghosting. The top part of the screen is showing the next image before the shutters switch eyes. Thus you get a small trace of the wrong entering the wrong eye on the top of the screen. The middle of the screen is drawn after the top and is correctly in sync with the shutters and looks proper. Then the bottom portion of the screen is being displayed, but the shutters have switched again, and thus you get, like the top porting, traces of the wrong angled image entering the wrong eye.
Again, top and bottom screen ghosting isn’t present on DLPs. DLPs don’t refresh the screen like LCDs. Again, being further proof that it is a flaw inherent to LCDs, not the gpus, not the glasses, not the software(however software adjustments could help), not the emitters.
Like I said above, being that this is what causes top and bottom screen ghosting it has been stated by many in the past that slight microsecond adjustments to how long each shutter stays closed would fix the problem, but may likely introduce flickering as each eye being blocked by the shutter for longer periods of time.
If this kind of a fix was implemented it isn’t because of the new video card. It would be software/driver side, as it has been discovered that the registry contains information in relation to shutter timing/delay. If ghosting is in fact fixed, and I hope you are right I really do, it will be a software fix, and that doesn’t really make me too happy with nVidia’s 3d driver support. Why? Because it was a long time ago that it was proven this is the cause of top and bottom ghosting … and it was a long time ago that people here asked nVidia to allow them to control their timings. Basically, the issue could have been fixed a long time ago; if everything is how I understand. This makes me doubt things even more because why wouldn’t nVidia fix one of the most common and complained about flaws … unless they are going to use it as a marketing ploy and release the fix with the 400s to fool the uninformed. “Buy a new 400 series card they don’t ghost like the old cards did.â€
Again, I hope I am wrong. This is simply how I understand things.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031979' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:55 AM']It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.[/quote]
You are absolutely right that it is a chain and they all have to work together in harmony. What I am saying basically is LCD technology upsets this harmony just a little, not the video card.
It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
PS:
I like idea that everybody should be sceptical and make conclusions after personal experience, just go buy fermi.
Yes, these tests done and recorded on high speed cameras do, in fact, prove that top and bottom screen ghosting is related to how LCD technology refreshes. You should look up these tests because I can’t explain it as well as the test showed. I will try and explain it a different way, but this is my last attempt lol.
If you were to slow down (which is what filming with a high speed camera and then slowing what was filmed down does, without missing frames as would occur on a normal camera) time and watch an LCD monitor refresh it redraws the screen from the top to the bottom; not all at once. If you do this same thing and watch the glasses shutters open and close you will see they do not refresh from top to bottom but rather all at once.
This leads to top and bottom ghosting. The top part of the screen is showing the next image before the shutters switch eyes. Thus you get a small trace of the wrong entering the wrong eye on the top of the screen. The middle of the screen is drawn after the top and is correctly in sync with the shutters and looks proper. Then the bottom portion of the screen is being displayed, but the shutters have switched again, and thus you get, like the top porting, traces of the wrong angled image entering the wrong eye.
Again, top and bottom screen ghosting isn’t present on DLPs. DLPs don’t refresh the screen like LCDs. Again, being further proof that it is a flaw inherent to LCDs, not the gpus, not the glasses, not the software(however software adjustments could help), not the emitters.
Like I said above, being that this is what causes top and bottom screen ghosting it has been stated by many in the past that slight microsecond adjustments to how long each shutter stays closed would fix the problem, but may likely introduce flickering as each eye being blocked by the shutter for longer periods of time.
If this kind of a fix was implemented it isn’t because of the new video card. It would be software/driver side, as it has been discovered that the registry contains information in relation to shutter timing/delay. If ghosting is in fact fixed, and I hope you are right I really do, it will be a software fix, and that doesn’t really make me too happy with nVidia’s 3d driver support. Why? Because it was a long time ago that it was proven this is the cause of top and bottom ghosting … and it was a long time ago that people here asked nVidia to allow them to control their timings. Basically, the issue could have been fixed a long time ago; if everything is how I understand. This makes me doubt things even more because why wouldn’t nVidia fix one of the most common and complained about flaws … unless they are going to use it as a marketing ploy and release the fix with the 400s to fool the uninformed. “Buy a new 400 series card they don’t ghost like the old cards did.â€
Again, I hope I am wrong. This is simply how I understand things.
[quote name='TrekCZ' post='1031979' date='Apr 1 2010, 10:55 AM']It is full chain - application, driver, hadrware, glasses, eye
If one breaks this chain (e.g. like here - new harware and drivers), ghosting diminishes if not vanishes.
You are absolutely right that it is a chain and they all have to work together in harmony. What I am saying basically is LCD technology upsets this harmony just a little, not the video card.
Yea, if this is what is going on then it definitly confirms what I said above ... and if so ... shame on nvidia for waiting so long to do this.
Yea, if this is what is going on then it definitly confirms what I said above ... and if so ... shame on nvidia for waiting so long to do this.
I don't expect one day turn around or even one month turn around. But this stuff was figured out a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. Very very long. Like 5 or 6 driver releases ago ... maybe a year.
I don't expect one day turn around or even one month turn around. But this stuff was figured out a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. Very very long. Like 5 or 6 driver releases ago ... maybe a year.
3D isn’t nVidia’s cash cow. They will take care of what brings them the most money first. It isn’t 3D. It’s graphics cards … and not even high end graphics cards. That coupled with the massive amount of resources I assume they dumped into the 400 over the last year and I am sure there wasn’t a lot of surplus effort left to use on 3D.
3D isn’t nVidia’s cash cow. They will take care of what brings them the most money first. It isn’t 3D. It’s graphics cards … and not even high end graphics cards. That coupled with the massive amount of resources I assume they dumped into the 400 over the last year and I am sure there wasn’t a lot of surplus effort left to use on 3D.
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?[/quote]
Massive support? I fail to see it. eWe have to wait months after the release of AAA titles just for a 3D profile ... Bioshock2 is a great example.
As ar as the link for proof run a search command in these forums. It's been posted and reposted.
Nvidia is quite reliable on software support in comparison with other companies.
Just calm down and believe.
PS:
Could someone provide link where it is proved that ghosting is related to lcd characteristics?
Massive support? I fail to see it. eWe have to wait months after the release of AAA titles just for a 3D profile ... Bioshock2 is a great example.
As ar as the link for proof run a search command in these forums. It's been posted and reposted.
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
[i]It is just a youtube video ... [/i]
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
all things together -> Nvidia ROCKS
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
It is just a youtube video ...
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
all things together -> Nvidia ROCKS
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
[i]It is just a youtube video ... [/i]
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
all things together -> Nvidia ROCKS[/quote]
Well, they weren’t just youtube videos and the information is there. They were tests run with expensive equipment in controlled settings trying different methods to create different results and compared to different display types all done so by people who truly understand the technology. They provided videos and very detailed explanations pointing out all of it. Sorry that trying any more than one search term leads you to believe that the information isn’t available. You can believe what you want, but unfortunately, you are wrong.
“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink,†as they say.
And youtube videos with high speed cameras? May I use please your words
It is just a youtube video ...
Just sum it up:
- there is no proof that ghosting relates to lcd
- new drivers have working registry settings again
- fermi architecture with new drivers effectively reduce ghosting
- support from nvidia is massive (in months - great nvidia flexibility, which is uncommon for companies)
all things together -> Nvidia ROCKS
Well, they weren’t just youtube videos and the information is there. They were tests run with expensive equipment in controlled settings trying different methods to create different results and compared to different display types all done so by people who truly understand the technology. They provided videos and very detailed explanations pointing out all of it. Sorry that trying any more than one search term leads you to believe that the information isn’t available. You can believe what you want, but unfortunately, you are wrong.
“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink,†as they say.