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Not *completely* broken. I am getting absolutely phenomenal 3D on Witcher 2 on Windows 10 with 353.62 and 2x980Ti, with no fixes applied besides tweaking some profile settings. Also with flugan's help I'm getting pretty damn good 3D in Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut (could've probably gotten it in the non-Director's Cut version without help). I suspect I could probably get it working well with Dragon Age Origins, too. But yeah, there's issues. The only way people are getting Witcher 3 True 3D to work in non-compatibility mode is via rolling back to a previous driver, which doesn't appear to be possible right now if you have the 980Ti card (actually in the Witcher 3 thread, there's a scheme for mixing the installer from 353.62 with the files from an older version, but I think I'll just finish the game I'm playing and hoping there's a better solution by then.) Me, I'm sticking with Windows 10. Microsoft's made it pretty clear they intend to get everyone up to it, and the launch could've been a lot worse, it's not a subpar product. I do hope some attention is paid to Windows 10 on these forums, though I can see initially holding off to see what gets ironed out in the first month or two of release without having to go crazy fixing temporary problems. If an issue lasts more than a couple months (say, still a problem in October), I'd say that's the time to address it. What I most hope they work on is fixing the 3D/SLI/ROG Swift bug. That one's really annoying me. That extra $700 I spent for the second card is feeling mighty wasted right now.
Not *completely* broken. I am getting absolutely phenomenal 3D on Witcher 2 on Windows 10 with 353.62 and 2x980Ti, with no fixes applied besides tweaking some profile settings. Also with flugan's help I'm getting pretty damn good 3D in Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut (could've probably gotten it in the non-Director's Cut version without help). I suspect I could probably get it working well with Dragon Age Origins, too. But yeah, there's issues. The only way people are getting Witcher 3 True 3D to work in non-compatibility mode is via rolling back to a previous driver, which doesn't appear to be possible right now if you have the 980Ti card (actually in the Witcher 3 thread, there's a scheme for mixing the installer from 353.62 with the files from an older version, but I think I'll just finish the game I'm playing and hoping there's a better solution by then.)

Me, I'm sticking with Windows 10. Microsoft's made it pretty clear they intend to get everyone up to it, and the launch could've been a lot worse, it's not a subpar product. I do hope some attention is paid to Windows 10 on these forums, though I can see initially holding off to see what gets ironed out in the first month or two of release without having to go crazy fixing temporary problems. If an issue lasts more than a couple months (say, still a problem in October), I'd say that's the time to address it.

What I most hope they work on is fixing the 3D/SLI/ROG Swift bug. That one's really annoying me. That extra $700 I spent for the second card is feeling mighty wasted right now.

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#46
Posted 08/10/2015 09:51 PM   
Well, all I can say is that if you think Compatibility Mode is nice for Witcher3, you REALLy ought to see the real fix where you can crank up the convergence. For us long term users, CM is completely weak sauce, and if a real fix is available we'll do whatever it takes to run it. So from my perspective- Win10+353.62 is completely broken, and not worth running at present. This also explains the missing 3D Driver for those latest drivers, it's just broken, so they pulled it. Double boot would be worthwhile if anyone wants to see the real deal instead of putting up with Win10 limitations. Gotta say, I'm still baffled by the infatuation with Win10. For me, the OS is not why I use the computer. It's merely what allows me to do what I really care about. I don't spend my time shuffling files around, I spend it playing games or doing development- neither of which have anything to do with the OS itself. What is it about Win10 that seems so compelling that you are willing to break everything else in order to run it? Not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious what other people might find compelling.
Well, all I can say is that if you think Compatibility Mode is nice for Witcher3, you REALLy ought to see the real fix where you can crank up the convergence. For us long term users, CM is completely weak sauce, and if a real fix is available we'll do whatever it takes to run it.

So from my perspective- Win10+353.62 is completely broken, and not worth running at present. This also explains the missing 3D Driver for those latest drivers, it's just broken, so they pulled it. Double boot would be worthwhile if anyone wants to see the real deal instead of putting up with Win10 limitations.


Gotta say, I'm still baffled by the infatuation with Win10. For me, the OS is not why I use the computer. It's merely what allows me to do what I really care about. I don't spend my time shuffling files around, I spend it playing games or doing development- neither of which have anything to do with the OS itself.

What is it about Win10 that seems so compelling that you are willing to break everything else in order to run it? Not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious what other people might find compelling.

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#47
Posted 08/11/2015 01:29 AM   
Hmmm, not sure if I was understood. I haven't seen better than compatability mode in Witcher 3, that is in fact broken. But I really am getting full blown True 3D in Witcher 2 and Deus Ex. It looks fantastic, I can't really see how the 3D could get any better. So, no, it's not completely broken. It's partially broken. I have enough games that run it properly that I'm willing to play them for a while and let the others hopefully get fixed in the meantime. The way I play games (completionist), they'll have a fair amount of time to do it.
Hmmm, not sure if I was understood. I haven't seen better than compatability mode in Witcher 3, that is in fact broken. But I really am getting full blown True 3D in Witcher 2 and Deus Ex. It looks fantastic, I can't really see how the 3D could get any better. So, no, it's not completely broken. It's partially broken. I have enough games that run it properly that I'm willing to play them for a while and let the others hopefully get fixed in the meantime. The way I play games (completionist), they'll have a fair amount of time to do it.

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#48
Posted 08/11/2015 03:54 AM   
[quote=""]Hmmm, not sure if I was understood. I haven't seen better than compatability mode in Witcher 3, that is in fact broken. But I really am getting full blown True 3D in Witcher 2 and Deus Ex. It looks fantastic, I can't really see how the 3D could get any better. So, no, it's not completely broken. It's partially broken. I have enough games that run it properly that I'm willing to play them for a while and let the others hopefully get fixed in the meantime. The way I play games (completionist), they'll have a fair amount of time to do it.[/quote] Yes, sorry, I missed that you were talking about Witcher 2, not 3. My best guess here is that any DX9 game will continue to use the older WDDM, and thus will continue to work in Win10, even on 353.63. DX11 games like Witcher 3 are most likely the ones in the broken category with that setup. Deus Ex is a strange bird. If you play it on a projector, the built-in 3D is actually pretty good and doesn't require any further depth. But, if you are on a monitor, the built-in depth is waaay to low, and thus is a lot better with Flugan's hack (hack in the good way, he's playing with bytes in game memory). The difference between monitor and projector has to do with your IPD being a fixed size, so that at distance the delta between left and right images makes sense at projector distance. On a projector it will show up with 65 mm spacing, which makes infinity look right. When it's on a monitor the game doesn't compensate for that, so the on-screen image is still the same relative % of the screen, and winds up being something like 25 mm instead, which makes infinity too shallow. It's fairly involved, but we have the same problem with images that we share. Shots taken on projector look weak and low-depth on monitors. Shots taken on monitors are so strong as to bend your eyes on projector. Now strangely enough on Deus Ex, I also absolutely loved that game in 3D, and people here talked about how terrible it was. After some back and forth, it's was more clear that it's got a lot of broken pieces that I simply did not notice. It's never had a true-3D fix, but it is certainly playable.
said:Hmmm, not sure if I was understood. I haven't seen better than compatability mode in Witcher 3, that is in fact broken. But I really am getting full blown True 3D in Witcher 2 and Deus Ex. It looks fantastic, I can't really see how the 3D could get any better. So, no, it's not completely broken. It's partially broken. I have enough games that run it properly that I'm willing to play them for a while and let the others hopefully get fixed in the meantime. The way I play games (completionist), they'll have a fair amount of time to do it.

Yes, sorry, I missed that you were talking about Witcher 2, not 3.

My best guess here is that any DX9 game will continue to use the older WDDM, and thus will continue to work in Win10, even on 353.63. DX11 games like Witcher 3 are most likely the ones in the broken category with that setup.


Deus Ex is a strange bird. If you play it on a projector, the built-in 3D is actually pretty good and doesn't require any further depth. But, if you are on a monitor, the built-in depth is waaay to low, and thus is a lot better with Flugan's hack (hack in the good way, he's playing with bytes in game memory).

The difference between monitor and projector has to do with your IPD being a fixed size, so that at distance the delta between left and right images makes sense at projector distance. On a projector it will show up with 65 mm spacing, which makes infinity look right. When it's on a monitor the game doesn't compensate for that, so the on-screen image is still the same relative % of the screen, and winds up being something like 25 mm instead, which makes infinity too shallow.

It's fairly involved, but we have the same problem with images that we share. Shots taken on projector look weak and low-depth on monitors. Shots taken on monitors are so strong as to bend your eyes on projector.

Now strangely enough on Deus Ex, I also absolutely loved that game in 3D, and people here talked about how terrible it was. After some back and forth, it's was more clear that it's got a lot of broken pieces that I simply did not notice. It's never had a true-3D fix, but it is certainly playable.

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#49
Posted 08/11/2015 05:29 AM   
[quote=""]Well, all I can say is that if you think Compatibility Mode is nice for Witcher3, you REALLy ought to see the real fix where you can crank up the convergence. For us long term users, CM is completely weak sauce, and if a real fix is available we'll do whatever it takes to run it. So from my perspective- Win10+353.62 is completely broken, and not worth running at present. This also explains the missing 3D Driver for those latest drivers, it's just broken, so they pulled it. Double boot would be worthwhile if anyone wants to see the real deal instead of putting up with Win10 limitations. Gotta say, I'm still baffled by the infatuation with Win10. For me, the OS is not why I use the computer. It's merely what allows me to do what I really care about. I don't spend my time shuffling files around, I spend it playing games or doing development- neither of which have anything to do with the OS itself. What is it about Win10 that seems so compelling that you are willing to break everything else in order to run it? Not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious what other people might find compelling.[/quote] While it sucks you're having problems, it's not breaking anything for me apart from the nvidia test app and the witcher 3. But because I download exes+dlls from places that might be easily hacked and have payloads put into them by wankers looking to ruin my day I'm going with the most secure option for an internet attached PC, and that is most definitely not windows 7.
said:Well, all I can say is that if you think Compatibility Mode is nice for Witcher3, you REALLy ought to see the real fix where you can crank up the convergence. For us long term users, CM is completely weak sauce, and if a real fix is available we'll do whatever it takes to run it.

So from my perspective- Win10+353.62 is completely broken, and not worth running at present. This also explains the missing 3D Driver for those latest drivers, it's just broken, so they pulled it. Double boot would be worthwhile if anyone wants to see the real deal instead of putting up with Win10 limitations.


Gotta say, I'm still baffled by the infatuation with Win10. For me, the OS is not why I use the computer. It's merely what allows me to do what I really care about. I don't spend my time shuffling files around, I spend it playing games or doing development- neither of which have anything to do with the OS itself.

What is it about Win10 that seems so compelling that you are willing to break everything else in order to run it? Not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious what other people might find compelling.


While it sucks you're having problems, it's not breaking anything for me apart from the nvidia test app and the witcher 3. But because I download exes+dlls from places that might be easily hacked and have payloads put into them by wankers looking to ruin my day I'm going with the most secure option for an internet attached PC, and that is most definitely not windows 7.

#50
Posted 08/11/2015 05:37 AM   
[quote="Kolreth"]While it sucks you're having problems, it's not breaking anything for me apart from the nvidia test app and the witcher 3. But because I download exes+dlls from places that might be easily hacked and have payloads put into them by wankers looking to ruin my day I'm going with the most secure option for an internet attached PC, and that is most definitely not windows 7.[/quote] That sounds like FUD, do you have a link for proof that Win7 is less secure? It's still fully supported by Microsoft until 2020 for bug fixes and security patches. If anything, running older more debugged code should be more secure, because new exploits are almost always found in new code.
Kolreth said:While it sucks you're having problems, it's not breaking anything for me apart from the nvidia test app and the witcher 3. But because I download exes+dlls from places that might be easily hacked and have payloads put into them by wankers looking to ruin my day I'm going with the most secure option for an internet attached PC, and that is most definitely not windows 7.

That sounds like FUD, do you have a link for proof that Win7 is less secure? It's still fully supported by Microsoft until 2020 for bug fixes and security patches. If anything, running older more debugged code should be more secure, because new exploits are almost always found in new code.

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#51
Posted 08/11/2015 07:02 AM   
[quote=""][quote="Kolreth"]While it sucks you're having problems, it's not breaking anything for me apart from the nvidia test app and the witcher 3. But because I download exes+dlls from places that might be easily hacked and have payloads put into them by wankers looking to ruin my day I'm going with the most secure option for an internet attached PC, and that is most definitely not windows 7.[/quote] That sounds like FUD, do you have a link for proof that Win7 is less secure? It's still fully supported by Microsoft until 2020 for bug fixes and security patches. If anything, running older more debugged code should be more secure, because new exploits are almost always found in new code. [/quote] Yup it's supported, but it's not updated to current best practices. Read for yourself here. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/15/protecting-you-from-malware.aspx Most pertinent imo : Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR). ASLR was first introduced in Windows Vista and works by randomly shuffling the location of most code and data in memory to block assumptions that the code and data are at same address on all PCs. In Windows 8, we extended ASLR’s protection to more parts of Windows and introduced enhancements such as increased randomization that will break many known techniques for circumventing ASLR. Windows kernel. In Windows 8, we bring many of the mitigations to the Windows kernel that previously only applied to user-mode applications. These will help improve protection against some of the most common type of threats. For example, we now prevent user-mode processes from allocating the low 64K of process memory, which prevents a whole class of kernel-mode NULL dereference vulnerabilities from being exploited. We also added integrity checks to the kernel pool memory allocator to mitigate kernel pool corruption attacks. Windows heap. Applications get dynamically allocated memory from the Windows user-mode heap. Major redesign of the Windows 8 heap adds significant protection in the form of new integrity checks to help defend against many exploit techniques. In addition, the Windows heap now randomizes the order of allocations so that exploits cannot depend on the predictable placement of objects—the same principle that makes ASLR successful. We also added guard pages to certain types of heap allocations, which helps prevent exploits that rely on overrunning the heap. People way better at this than me singing it's praises. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Windows-8-Security-Garners-Praise-at-Black-Hat-162001
said:
Kolreth said:While it sucks you're having problems, it's not breaking anything for me apart from the nvidia test app and the witcher 3. But because I download exes+dlls from places that might be easily hacked and have payloads put into them by wankers looking to ruin my day I'm going with the most secure option for an internet attached PC, and that is most definitely not windows 7.

That sounds like FUD, do you have a link for proof that Win7 is less secure? It's still fully supported by Microsoft until 2020 for bug fixes and security patches. If anything, running older more debugged code should be more secure, because new exploits are almost always found in new code.


Yup it's supported, but it's not updated to current best practices. Read for yourself here.


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/15/protecting-you-from-malware.aspx


Most pertinent imo :

Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR). ASLR was first introduced in Windows Vista and works by randomly shuffling the location of most code and data in memory to block assumptions that the code and data are at same address on all PCs. In Windows 8, we extended ASLR’s protection to more parts of Windows and introduced enhancements such as increased randomization that will break many known techniques for circumventing ASLR.
Windows kernel. In Windows 8, we bring many of the mitigations to the Windows kernel that previously only applied to user-mode applications. These will help improve protection against some of the most common type of threats. For example, we now prevent user-mode processes from allocating the low 64K of process memory, which prevents a whole class of kernel-mode NULL dereference vulnerabilities from being exploited. We also added integrity checks to the kernel pool memory allocator to mitigate kernel pool corruption attacks.
Windows heap. Applications get dynamically allocated memory from the Windows user-mode heap. Major redesign of the Windows 8 heap adds significant protection in the form of new integrity checks to help defend against many exploit techniques. In addition, the Windows heap now randomizes the order of allocations so that exploits cannot depend on the predictable placement of objects—the same principle that makes ASLR successful. We also added guard pages to certain types of heap allocations, which helps prevent exploits that rely on overrunning the heap.

People way better at this than me singing it's praises.


http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Windows-8-Security-Garners-Praise-at-Black-Hat-162001

#52
Posted 08/11/2015 08:24 AM   
Interesting articles, thanks for the links. Those are great discussions of the architectural changes they've made to try to stop the exploits. The second article is interesting, but it's also theoretical. Still- I'd suggest that they were not fully successful. I don't see any difference in terms of number of vulnerabilities reported. There were a couple of super high profile ("out-of-band") releases, including one a couple of weeks ago that still affected Win 8.1. (Win 10 and Win 8.1 are architecturally the same). Here's an article that details the count of vulnerabilities and their risks. http://www.networkworld.com/article/2887240/microsoft-subnet/apple-linux-not-windows-most-vulnerable-operating-systems-in-2014-ie-wins-worst-app.html The OS itself is only some 15% of risks. The main vectors are still apps, and IE is a still a giant risk. The Win10 Edge browser should put a good dent in those risks. You can get a similar effect by using Chrome with no plugins installed. Still too early to tell on Win10, but from looking at threat analysis reports and zero day exploits, they don't even differentiate the different version of Windows. Once a vector is found, it nearly always hits all versions of Windows.
Interesting articles, thanks for the links. Those are great discussions of the architectural changes they've made to try to stop the exploits. The second article is interesting, but it's also theoretical.

Still- I'd suggest that they were not fully successful. I don't see any difference in terms of number of vulnerabilities reported. There were a couple of super high profile ("out-of-band") releases, including one a couple of weeks ago that still affected Win 8.1. (Win 10 and Win 8.1 are architecturally the same).


Here's an article that details the count of vulnerabilities and their risks.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2887240/microsoft-subnet/apple-linux-not-windows-most-vulnerable-operating-systems-in-2014-ie-wins-worst-app.html


The OS itself is only some 15% of risks. The main vectors are still apps, and IE is a still a giant risk. The Win10 Edge browser should put a good dent in those risks. You can get a similar effect by using Chrome with no plugins installed.

Still too early to tell on Win10, but from looking at threat analysis reports and zero day exploits, they don't even differentiate the different version of Windows. Once a vector is found, it nearly always hits all versions of Windows.

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#53
Posted 08/11/2015 11:07 AM   
Yup, there will never be a 100% secure general purpose OS, and the more in use something is the bigger target it will be, just look at the amount of apple OS hacks in that table, that was unthinkable 10 years ago. I have played with edge, first thing I did was turn off flash support for it. There is something that can die a quick horrible death as far as I am concerned. But there is a data point missing from the table : How long vulnerabilities remain open/unpatched. Not relevant to the 3D discussion, but still important when some idiot tries to convince you Macs never get hacked. I have more thoughts but I am kind of drunk so they are not articulating well.
Yup, there will never be a 100% secure general purpose OS, and the more in use something is the bigger target it will be, just look at the amount of apple OS hacks in that table, that was unthinkable 10 years ago.

I have played with edge, first thing I did was turn off flash support for it. There is something that can die a quick horrible death as far as I am concerned.

But there is a data point missing from the table : How long vulnerabilities remain open/unpatched. Not relevant to the 3D discussion, but still important when some idiot tries to convince you Macs never get hacked.

I have more thoughts but I am kind of drunk so they are not articulating well.

#54
Posted 08/11/2015 02:07 PM   
What´s safe, what´s not. I have iphone4 the switch cheese of security. I use it with built in apps. Maps and calculator. Works like a charm. I think it´s just a matter of perspective if you say windows 10 is more secure. It might be, in the end it does not matter. The way you use it helps alot. And if you have bad luck you get shit into your machine, the you deal with it. I think using computer ect is acceptance of you might get infected, it might get jammed. If you clap 2 stones together, they make a sound and there is quite a lot of clapping before they brake. If clap 2 eggs together, you ther might be some serious clapping if you are gentle enough, or there might not be.
What´s safe, what´s not. I have iphone4 the switch cheese of security. I use it with built in apps. Maps
and calculator. Works like a charm. I think it´s just a matter of perspective if you say windows 10 is more
secure. It might be, in the end it does not matter. The way you use it helps alot. And if you have bad luck
you get shit into your machine, the you deal with it. I think using computer ect is acceptance of you might
get infected, it might get jammed. If you clap 2 stones together, they make a sound and there is quite a lot
of clapping before they brake. If clap 2 eggs together, you ther might be some serious clapping if you are gentle enough, or there might not be.

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#55
Posted 08/12/2015 04:38 PM   
Is there any benefits from windows 7 ultimate in terms of 3D gaming or upgrading to windows 10 I currently have windows7 ultimate, i don´t have the energy do a clean install. what i should. but like i said. im gonna upgrade it to 10 as it´s free as im always open to new ideas. Im gonna do a dualboot and im just wondering should i buy the ultimate for my gaming OS or the windows 10 professional that is little cheaper. It´s propably the same but i wanted to ask. solved. bought the pro. edit. And failed ! OEM key ....pre installed product key...no download for you poor Bas*t*rd... **** And in some high chairs they wonder why people Piracy......... GOD DA*N IT
Is there any benefits from windows 7 ultimate in terms of 3D gaming or upgrading to windows 10

I currently have windows7 ultimate, i don´t have the energy do a clean install. what i should.
but like i said. im gonna upgrade it to 10 as it´s free as im always open to new ideas.
Im gonna do a dualboot and im just wondering should i buy the ultimate for my gaming OS
or the windows 10 professional that is little cheaper. It´s propably the same but i wanted to ask.

solved. bought the pro.

edit. And failed !
OEM key ....pre installed product key...no download for you poor Bas*t*rd... ****
And in some high chairs they wonder why people Piracy.........
GOD DA*N IT

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#56
Posted 08/12/2015 04:57 PM   
So is the issue with 353.62 / Win10 just DX11 games, because I also found Fallout New Vegas (DX9 game) was broken under W10 both with and without the helix fix. That's the main reason I revert back to Win7 since FNV is the game I'm playing right now. I didn't realize there were older W10 drivers I could try.
So is the issue with 353.62 / Win10 just DX11 games, because I also found Fallout New Vegas (DX9 game) was broken under W10 both with and without the helix fix. That's the main reason I revert back to Win7 since FNV is the game I'm playing right now. I didn't realize there were older W10 drivers I could try.

#57
Posted 08/12/2015 07:46 PM   
Oops, wrong thread.
Oops, wrong thread.

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Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate
Motherboard: Asus RAMPAGE V EXTREME, BIOS 2101
Memory: G.Skill 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666
Storage: Intel 750 Series 1.2TB PCI-E SSD
Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 960GB 2.5" SSD
Video: 2x Gigabyte Gaming G1 980 Ti in SLI, Driver 362.00
Case: Thermaltake Core V71 Full Tower
Power Supply: EVGA Supernova P2 1200W 80+ Platinum
Monitor: ROG SWIFT PG278Q 120Hz 27.0" running 1440p in 3DVision
OS: Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 10586

Overclocks:
Processor: 4.4 GHz adaptive (1.296v under load), LLC7 input 1.92v
Processor Cache: 4.2 GHz offset +0.27v (max 1.212v under load)
Memory: 2666 15-15-15-35-CR2 oc'd to 3000 15-15-15-35-CR1 at 1.38v
GPU SLI: Stock voltage, 1455 MHz, 8000Mhz memory

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