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Ok so this is probably a fairly basic question but I can't imagine I'm the only one who's ever got confused. I did look (how well is another question) around the FAQs and stickies but couldn't find anything.
Basically, as a Christmas present I'm in the market for a new 3D monitor so I can play 3D games. I checked my graphics card (an NVIDIA GTX 460) and saw it would handle 3D so hurray. Now comes the tricky stuff.
I [b]thought[/b] that the only solution was NVIDIA's 3D Vision (or new Vision 2) kit. This meant buying a £100 pair glasses and IR receiver PLUS a compatible monitor. What constitutes a compatible monitor I've no idea, I was sticking to ones I'd seen reviewed with NVIDIA 3D Vision as there's a good chance that will work.
However, I went into my local computer store and spoke to the "experts" in there (okay I can't talk much but these guys sounded thick!) about 3D monitors. I was instantly directed to the 3D TV section, offered an LG 23" something or other with [b]passive[/b] technology. Instantly I was cautious as I was expecting something which would handle either: 1) Active technology of any kind or 2) NVIDIAs 3D Vision. I queried the man and he umm-ed and ahh-ed a bit and distracted me with a 3D [b]monitor[/b], but still using passive technology. From what I could tell, the only difference (this was also an LG) is that one had a TV tuner inside, constituting it as a TV rather than a monitor.
While I left somewhat like I'd been talking to apes, I did leave actually wondering if I'm myself confused. Were they showing me completely the wrong thing or were they actually being very helpful and simply not showing me what I was expecting to see (in which case I'll happily eat my words).
So, my question: [b]What do I need in order to be playing 3D games and watching 3D films on Christmas morning?[/b]
As additional/follow-up questions:
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[*]What kind of signal is being pumped out of the PC which is being interpreted by whichever monitor technology I choose?
[*]Can I buy a passive monitors and expect to play games in 3D? If not, is it simply a case of downloading some additional drivers?
[*]What kind of monitor do I need to look for in order to purchase NVIDIA 3D Vision (should I be looking for a logo or compatibility sticker?)? Presumably a passive monitor would work against 3D Vision, in which case if I buy a 3D Vision monitor, without the NVIDIA 3D Vision kit the monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as it doesn't come with active glasses and yet it needs them?
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I think I have more to ask but I'm also aware I might be rambling. Any help is very much appreciated and I will gladly go into more details should people need it.
Ok so this is probably a fairly basic question but I can't imagine I'm the only one who's ever got confused. I did look (how well is another question) around the FAQs and stickies but couldn't find anything.
Basically, as a Christmas present I'm in the market for a new 3D monitor so I can play 3D games. I checked my graphics card (an NVIDIA GTX 460) and saw it would handle 3D so hurray. Now comes the tricky stuff.
I thought that the only solution was NVIDIA's 3D Vision (or new Vision 2) kit. This meant buying a £100 pair glasses and IR receiver PLUS a compatible monitor. What constitutes a compatible monitor I've no idea, I was sticking to ones I'd seen reviewed with NVIDIA 3D Vision as there's a good chance that will work.
However, I went into my local computer store and spoke to the "experts" in there (okay I can't talk much but these guys sounded thick!) about 3D monitors. I was instantly directed to the 3D TV section, offered an LG 23" something or other with passive technology. Instantly I was cautious as I was expecting something which would handle either: 1) Active technology of any kind or 2) NVIDIAs 3D Vision. I queried the man and he umm-ed and ahh-ed a bit and distracted me with a 3D monitor, but still using passive technology. From what I could tell, the only difference (this was also an LG) is that one had a TV tuner inside, constituting it as a TV rather than a monitor.
While I left somewhat like I'd been talking to apes, I did leave actually wondering if I'm myself confused. Were they showing me completely the wrong thing or were they actually being very helpful and simply not showing me what I was expecting to see (in which case I'll happily eat my words).
So, my question: What do I need in order to be playing 3D games and watching 3D films on Christmas morning?
As additional/follow-up questions:
What kind of signal is being pumped out of the PC which is being interpreted by whichever monitor technology I choose?
Can I buy a passive monitors and expect to play games in 3D? If not, is it simply a case of downloading some additional drivers?
What kind of monitor do I need to look for in order to purchase NVIDIA 3D Vision (should I be looking for a logo or compatibility sticker?)? Presumably a passive monitor would work against 3D Vision, in which case if I buy a 3D Vision monitor, without the NVIDIA 3D Vision kit the monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as it doesn't come with active glasses and yet it needs them?
I think I have more to ask but I'm also aware I might be rambling. Any help is very much appreciated and I will gladly go into more details should people need it.
Well you sound pretty cool (reasonable) so I'll try to help you as much as I can. There are a lot of people on here that can give you technical details, but what I know is this: You need a monitor or television that supports TRUE 120hz refresh rate (60hz for each eye). There are very few 3D televisions out right now that do this. You will see several that claim 120hz but it isn't "true" 120hz. It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology. As a general rule, "passive 3D," which is what the "experts" were trying to sell you, is inferior to the active technology of 3D vision.
Like you, I had many questions about 3D Vision and it can be somewhat difficult to find concrete answers. I finally went with a pre-bundled package from Newegg.com that included an ASUS 23" 3D Vision ready monitor along with the 3D Vision kit. I don't regret the purchase one bit. If I were you however, I would take a look at the sticky'd thread about 3D Vision II with Lightboost technology. There are larger monitors just hitting the market with new technology that supposedly eliminates the inherent brightness problems with stereo 3D gaming. I believe they cost a pretty penny, but if you are going, might as well go big!
Well you sound pretty cool (reasonable) so I'll try to help you as much as I can. There are a lot of people on here that can give you technical details, but what I know is this: You need a monitor or television that supports TRUE 120hz refresh rate (60hz for each eye). There are very few 3D televisions out right now that do this. You will see several that claim 120hz but it isn't "true" 120hz. It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology. As a general rule, "passive 3D," which is what the "experts" were trying to sell you, is inferior to the active technology of 3D vision.
Like you, I had many questions about 3D Vision and it can be somewhat difficult to find concrete answers. I finally went with a pre-bundled package from Newegg.com that included an ASUS 23" 3D Vision ready monitor along with the 3D Vision kit. I don't regret the purchase one bit. If I were you however, I would take a look at the sticky'd thread about 3D Vision II with Lightboost technology. There are larger monitors just hitting the market with new technology that supposedly eliminates the inherent brightness problems with stereo 3D gaming. I believe they cost a pretty penny, but if you are going, might as well go big!
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3d monitors:3dvision-blog.com you read the reviews you decide which one you want and read the comments. You pick-up a dvi-d cable. You pick up a 3d vision kit. Probably an internal blu-ray player as well done.
Get active imo. If you don't read reviews you will wind up with a monitor with ghosting/breaks easily/etc...
3d monitors:3dvision-blog.com you read the reviews you decide which one you want and read the comments. You pick-up a dvi-d cable. You pick up a 3d vision kit. Probably an internal blu-ray player as well done.
Get active imo. If you don't read reviews you will wind up with a monitor with ghosting/breaks easily/etc...
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To make it even shorter, best two monitors out there that supports 3D Vision lightboost technology is the 27" Asus VG278H and the 24" Benq XL2420TX. People who have had these monitors are quite happy with it. I have the Asus VG278H and as a first timer for 3D, it fits my needs. Slight ghosting in certain games, but overall very good. You can check out 3Dvision-blog.com for reviews there. Bloody does a great job of reviewing the monitors.
There is going to be an updated version of the Acer 27" (another good monitor) that supports 3D Vision 2 with lightboost, but it's not out yet.
All these monitors comes bundled with 3D Vision kits and dvi-d cables out of the box. Although the Benq can be purchased with and without the kit, so be careful to read the descriptions of the items.
And of course you, like eqzitara mentioned, your going to need a Blu-ray player, or if you have a PS3, that will do too (as long as the monitor you purchase has HDMI inputs, which in this case, all 3 monitors I listed does).
Also, check the FAQs here as that will help answer some of your questions and even check Nvidia's websites and it will list the things you need to get 3D up and running with 3D Vision. It'll show a list of supported monitors/tvs and etc.
To make it even shorter, best two monitors out there that supports 3D Vision lightboost technology is the 27" Asus VG278H and the 24" Benq XL2420TX. People who have had these monitors are quite happy with it. I have the Asus VG278H and as a first timer for 3D, it fits my needs. Slight ghosting in certain games, but overall very good. You can check out 3Dvision-blog.com for reviews there. Bloody does a great job of reviewing the monitors.
There is going to be an updated version of the Acer 27" (another good monitor) that supports 3D Vision 2 with lightboost, but it's not out yet.
All these monitors comes bundled with 3D Vision kits and dvi-d cables out of the box. Although the Benq can be purchased with and without the kit, so be careful to read the descriptions of the items.
And of course you, like eqzitara mentioned, your going to need a Blu-ray player, or if you have a PS3, that will do too (as long as the monitor you purchase has HDMI inputs, which in this case, all 3 monitors I listed does).
Also, check the FAQs here as that will help answer some of your questions and even check Nvidia's websites and it will list the things you need to get 3D up and running with 3D Vision. It'll show a list of supported monitors/tvs and etc.
Not sure why two people have mentioned the need for a blu-ray player.... That's not a requirement for gaming in 3D Vision. If you want to watch 3D Blu-ray movies, then obviously you would need that.
*Edit: Ah, I see it now - Near the bottom of OP's post you ask what you need to play games AND watch films. My bad.
Not sure why two people have mentioned the need for a blu-ray player.... That's not a requirement for gaming in 3D Vision. If you want to watch 3D Blu-ray movies, then obviously you would need that.
*Edit: Ah, I see it now - Near the bottom of OP's post you ask what you need to play games AND watch films. My bad.
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@SnickerSnack "It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology" Does this only apply to Active TVs?
Thank you very much for your answers, it's a definite step toward helping me decide. I think I understand the clear advantages of 3D Vision and the active technology, however...
As well as this forum I also continued doing research on passive vs active and came to the following conclusions, which may or may not be right:
1) With my NVIDIA graphics card I can purchase either an active 3D Vision ready monitor OR a passive monitor.
2a) If I buy an active, I also need the 3D Vision kit, which gives me the active glasses needed and IR transmitter to sync. Here's the biggy: WITHOUT the 3D Vision kit my 3D ready monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as the monitor is not supplied with active glasses or it's own (in-built) IR transmitter. And would I be right in thinking this is different to an Active 3D TV which has the IR transmitter built in and glasses supplied (therefore no extra kit needed).
2b) If I buy a passive monitor, there is obviously no need for the 3D Vision kit (that's technology within the monitor) but I do still need to buy 3DTV Play? As this provides the drivers to allow a 3D signal to be sent to my monitor.
[i]@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).[/i]
Could anyone possibly confirm I'm understanding the technologies and requirements correctly, regardless of which route (active or passive) I take?
Following on as well (while it's fresh in my mind), if indeed I AM understanding correctly (otherwise probably can ignore this), I have some doubts about what I have discovered. While 3D Vision may provide better results (full 1080p at 60Hz), the 3D Vision Kit (and arguably monitor unless an alternative Active glasses kit was found) are highly limited: most notably they can only be used with a PC. However, a [b]passive[/b] monitor would allow for both a feed from my PC (with 3DTV Play), a PS3 (or similar console/device), cheaper glasses, plus: if I bought one with a TV tuner I get 3D TV (I know: with the same expense I could buy a TV tuner for my PC).
Obviously I am writing this on an NVIDIA forum so I expect some slight bias, but if you could at least confirm my understanding first and then lay it on why I should buy 3D Vision instead /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
@SnickerSnack "It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology" Does this only apply to Active TVs?
Thank you very much for your answers, it's a definite step toward helping me decide. I think I understand the clear advantages of 3D Vision and the active technology, however...
As well as this forum I also continued doing research on passive vs active and came to the following conclusions, which may or may not be right:
1) With my NVIDIA graphics card I can purchase either an active 3D Vision ready monitor OR a passive monitor.
2a) If I buy an active, I also need the 3D Vision kit, which gives me the active glasses needed and IR transmitter to sync. Here's the biggy: WITHOUT the 3D Vision kit my 3D ready monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as the monitor is not supplied with active glasses or it's own (in-built) IR transmitter. And would I be right in thinking this is different to an Active 3D TV which has the IR transmitter built in and glasses supplied (therefore no extra kit needed).
2b) If I buy a passive monitor, there is obviously no need for the 3D Vision kit (that's technology within the monitor) but I do still need to buy 3DTV Play? As this provides the drivers to allow a 3D signal to be sent to my monitor.
@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).
Could anyone possibly confirm I'm understanding the technologies and requirements correctly, regardless of which route (active or passive) I take?
Following on as well (while it's fresh in my mind), if indeed I AM understanding correctly (otherwise probably can ignore this), I have some doubts about what I have discovered. While 3D Vision may provide better results (full 1080p at 60Hz), the 3D Vision Kit (and arguably monitor unless an alternative Active glasses kit was found) are highly limited: most notably they can only be used with a PC. However, a passive monitor would allow for both a feed from my PC (with 3DTV Play), a PS3 (or similar console/device), cheaper glasses, plus: if I bought one with a TV tuner I get 3D TV (I know: with the same expense I could buy a TV tuner for my PC).
Obviously I am writing this on an NVIDIA forum so I expect some slight bias, but if you could at least confirm my understanding first and then lay it on why I should buy 3D Vision instead /wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
You say you wish to watch Christmas movies, is the display going to be your primary display then?
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If you can afford it, I would wait for the new 27" monitors mentioned in the video. The monitors should be availiable over here soon.
If you can afford it, I would wait for the new 27" monitors mentioned in the video. The monitors should be availiable over here soon.
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How much u lookin to spend? Do you have kids that will want to watch 3d blurays? Or are you just going solo 3d gaming and movies?
If you have a family that wants to partake in 3d goodness, I'd go with one of the passive 3dtv's that is on Nvidias compatibility list and buy 3dTV Play. Kids don't care about resolution and stuff like that so 3d gaming and movies at 720p/60hz or 1080p/24hz would probably be ok. Plus a family pack of passive glasses is cheap. That's the route I'm going when I purchase my new family TV myself. (I've already been gaming with the Kit with a monitor for a couple years.)
However, If going solo then I'd suggest the 3d Vision kit and one of the newer 27" monitors with dual-link DVI. Full res 3d gaming @120hz on a good monitor is hands down the best 3d experience (well, other than dual proj...). I still love my 22" Samsung, and it hasn't let me down.
How much u lookin to spend? Do you have kids that will want to watch 3d blurays? Or are you just going solo 3d gaming and movies?
If you have a family that wants to partake in 3d goodness, I'd go with one of the passive 3dtv's that is on Nvidias compatibility list and buy 3dTV Play. Kids don't care about resolution and stuff like that so 3d gaming and movies at 720p/60hz or 1080p/24hz would probably be ok. Plus a family pack of passive glasses is cheap. That's the route I'm going when I purchase my new family TV myself. (I've already been gaming with the Kit with a monitor for a couple years.)
However, If going solo then I'd suggest the 3d Vision kit and one of the newer 27" monitors with dual-link DVI. Full res 3d gaming @120hz on a good monitor is hands down the best 3d experience (well, other than dual proj...). I still love my 22" Samsung, and it hasn't let me down.
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[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
@SnickerSnack "It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology" Does this only apply to Active TVs? [/quote]
Honestly I can't answer that, but IIRC, when I was shopping for this stuff there was no such thing as an active TV that behaved just like a 3D Vision ready monitor. The largest monitors available were 23", and they are only just now coming out with the 27"s. To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
[i]@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).[/i][/quote]
I think he was referencing the ability to play Blu-Ray movies, not actually game with the PS3.
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
@SnickerSnack "It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology" Does this only apply to Active TVs?
Honestly I can't answer that, but IIRC, when I was shopping for this stuff there was no such thing as an active TV that behaved just like a 3D Vision ready monitor. The largest monitors available were 23", and they are only just now coming out with the 27"s. To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).
I think he was referencing the ability to play Blu-Ray movies, not actually game with the PS3.
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[quote name='SnickerSnack' date='07 December 2011 - 09:56 AM' timestamp='1323284181' post='1338953']
To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
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3D HDTVs use either Active or Passive and are not "exclusively passive", other than the fact you can not use active shutter glasses with a passive TV or vice versa.
http://www.scec.org/geowall/actpass.html
@Chrisn, if you are going to be watching 3D with anyone else, avoid the 23" Passive Displays, unless you get one that has an ISP panel that offers greater viewing angles. In which case, with a ISP panel, you sacrifice display response time. Also only the Acer Passive monitors are officially Nvidia supported.
Nvidia 3D Vision supported Displays http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html
Nvidia 3DTV Play supported Displays (active and passive) http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html
If you want to impress your friends, get a projector and watch their jaws drop watching you game on a 100 inch or greater screen size. (limtied to 720P for 3D gaming)
[quote name='SnickerSnack' date='07 December 2011 - 09:56 AM' timestamp='1323284181' post='1338953']
To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
3D HDTVs use either Active or Passive and are not "exclusively passive", other than the fact you can not use active shutter glasses with a passive TV or vice versa.
http://www.scec.org/geowall/actpass.html
@Chrisn, if you are going to be watching 3D with anyone else, avoid the 23" Passive Displays, unless you get one that has an ISP panel that offers greater viewing angles. In which case, with a ISP panel, you sacrifice display response time. Also only the Acer Passive monitors are officially Nvidia supported.
Nvidia 3D Vision supported Displays http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html
Nvidia 3DTV Play supported Displays (active and passive) http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html
If you want to impress your friends, get a projector and watch their jaws drop watching you game on a 100 inch or greater screen size. (limtied to 720P for 3D gaming)
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 02:20 PM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
[i]@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).[/i]
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I have a PS3 and I've hooked it up to my Asus VG278H, which is a NVIDIA 3D Vision compliant monitor, and it works. I was watching "The Smurfs" in 3D no problem. I haven't tried PS3 games yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on my monitor either. The PS3 detected my monitor as a 3D monitor and from there, when I ran the movie, it enabled 3D.
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 02:20 PM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).
I have a PS3 and I've hooked it up to my Asus VG278H, which is a NVIDIA 3D Vision compliant monitor, and it works. I was watching "The Smurfs" in 3D no problem. I haven't tried PS3 games yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on my monitor either. The PS3 detected my monitor as a 3D monitor and from there, when I ran the movie, it enabled 3D.
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
@ chrisn: I haven't personally seen the new Lightboost technology, but wearing the 3D glasses definitely makes things more dark. Typically I compensate by upping the in-game brightness or gamma correction to compensate and bring the image back to normal. I've had no trouble enjoying games that way. Games with little graphics that help you adjust are great. You know, the ones that say "adjust brightness until the 'whatever' is just visible." You just do that with your glasses on and viola! You're done. It might be a little more complicated watching movies, but most players have color correction built in as well.
That's good to know about the PS3. I learn something new everyday.
To clarify my remark about 3D TVs, there were no compatible 3D televisions when I bought into 3D vision except for Mitsubishi DLPs. This was before they came out with 3D TV Play. The only way to get something larger than a 23" monitor was either with a projector or Mitsubishi DLP. I didn't want a DLP. Active plasma or LED 3D TVs may have been around, but certainly out of my budget and not officially supported as I recall. That only happened when 3D TV Play was released.
@ chrisn: I haven't personally seen the new Lightboost technology, but wearing the 3D glasses definitely makes things more dark. Typically I compensate by upping the in-game brightness or gamma correction to compensate and bring the image back to normal. I've had no trouble enjoying games that way. Games with little graphics that help you adjust are great. You know, the ones that say "adjust brightness until the 'whatever' is just visible." You just do that with your glasses on and viola! You're done. It might be a little more complicated watching movies, but most players have color correction built in as well.
That's good to know about the PS3. I learn something new everyday.
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[quote name='chrisn' date='08 December 2011 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1323334153' post='1339357']
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
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I've never had a problem with the dimming effect of active glasses. First like snicker said, you can up the games brightness settings. Also, your pupils will dilate to adjust after a couple minutes.
Also, if you're looking at a demo in a store, be sure to mess with the emitter dial a bit and look at different depths. I don't know if they would have the convergence shortcuts enabled or not. I would doubt it. Most store clerks are clueless. So if the store demo does indeed impress you, you'll be even more impressed when you get home and can actually adjust depth and convergence to the absolute best of your liking.
[quote name='chrisn' date='08 December 2011 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1323334153' post='1339357']
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
I've never had a problem with the dimming effect of active glasses. First like snicker said, you can up the games brightness settings. Also, your pupils will dilate to adjust after a couple minutes.
Also, if you're looking at a demo in a store, be sure to mess with the emitter dial a bit and look at different depths. I don't know if they would have the convergence shortcuts enabled or not. I would doubt it. Most store clerks are clueless. So if the store demo does indeed impress you, you'll be even more impressed when you get home and can actually adjust depth and convergence to the absolute best of your liking.
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[quote name='chrisn' date='08 December 2011 - 08:49 AM' timestamp='1323334153' post='1339357']
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
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You are probably right, that if you bought a separate 3d vision kit, that it won't work with the PS3. Me being curious, I just downloaded Stardust HD for PS3, which has 3D support. Hooked up the PS3 to my monitor and it detected the game and my monitor and I was able to play Stardust in 3D. So far so good, it's working for both games and movies. I'll probably go rent/buy a PS3/3D supported game to make sure it works in other games too. From what I'm seeing, I think as long as the PS3 is sending the right signals to my monitor, my monitor will be able to detect and pick it up.
[quote name='chrisn' date='08 December 2011 - 08:49 AM' timestamp='1323334153' post='1339357']
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
You are probably right, that if you bought a separate 3d vision kit, that it won't work with the PS3. Me being curious, I just downloaded Stardust HD for PS3, which has 3D support. Hooked up the PS3 to my monitor and it detected the game and my monitor and I was able to play Stardust in 3D. So far so good, it's working for both games and movies. I'll probably go rent/buy a PS3/3D supported game to make sure it works in other games too. From what I'm seeing, I think as long as the PS3 is sending the right signals to my monitor, my monitor will be able to detect and pick it up.
Basically, as a Christmas present I'm in the market for a new 3D monitor so I can play 3D games. I checked my graphics card (an NVIDIA GTX 460) and saw it would handle 3D so hurray. Now comes the tricky stuff.
I [b]thought[/b] that the only solution was NVIDIA's 3D Vision (or new Vision 2) kit. This meant buying a £100 pair glasses and IR receiver PLUS a compatible monitor. What constitutes a compatible monitor I've no idea, I was sticking to ones I'd seen reviewed with NVIDIA 3D Vision as there's a good chance that will work.
However, I went into my local computer store and spoke to the "experts" in there (okay I can't talk much but these guys sounded thick!) about 3D monitors. I was instantly directed to the 3D TV section, offered an LG 23" something or other with [b]passive[/b] technology. Instantly I was cautious as I was expecting something which would handle either: 1) Active technology of any kind or 2) NVIDIAs 3D Vision. I queried the man and he umm-ed and ahh-ed a bit and distracted me with a 3D [b]monitor[/b], but still using passive technology. From what I could tell, the only difference (this was also an LG) is that one had a TV tuner inside, constituting it as a TV rather than a monitor.
While I left somewhat like I'd been talking to apes, I did leave actually wondering if I'm myself confused. Were they showing me completely the wrong thing or were they actually being very helpful and simply not showing me what I was expecting to see (in which case I'll happily eat my words).
So, my question: [b]What do I need in order to be playing 3D games and watching 3D films on Christmas morning?[/b]
As additional/follow-up questions:
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[*]What kind of signal is being pumped out of the PC which is being interpreted by whichever monitor technology I choose?
[*]Can I buy a passive monitors and expect to play games in 3D? If not, is it simply a case of downloading some additional drivers?
[*]What kind of monitor do I need to look for in order to purchase NVIDIA 3D Vision (should I be looking for a logo or compatibility sticker?)? Presumably a passive monitor would work against 3D Vision, in which case if I buy a 3D Vision monitor, without the NVIDIA 3D Vision kit the monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as it doesn't come with active glasses and yet it needs them?
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I think I have more to ask but I'm also aware I might be rambling. Any help is very much appreciated and I will gladly go into more details should people need it.
Thanks again.
Basically, as a Christmas present I'm in the market for a new 3D monitor so I can play 3D games. I checked my graphics card (an NVIDIA GTX 460) and saw it would handle 3D so hurray. Now comes the tricky stuff.
I thought that the only solution was NVIDIA's 3D Vision (or new Vision 2) kit. This meant buying a £100 pair glasses and IR receiver PLUS a compatible monitor. What constitutes a compatible monitor I've no idea, I was sticking to ones I'd seen reviewed with NVIDIA 3D Vision as there's a good chance that will work.
However, I went into my local computer store and spoke to the "experts" in there (okay I can't talk much but these guys sounded thick!) about 3D monitors. I was instantly directed to the 3D TV section, offered an LG 23" something or other with passive technology. Instantly I was cautious as I was expecting something which would handle either: 1) Active technology of any kind or 2) NVIDIAs 3D Vision. I queried the man and he umm-ed and ahh-ed a bit and distracted me with a 3D monitor, but still using passive technology. From what I could tell, the only difference (this was also an LG) is that one had a TV tuner inside, constituting it as a TV rather than a monitor.
While I left somewhat like I'd been talking to apes, I did leave actually wondering if I'm myself confused. Were they showing me completely the wrong thing or were they actually being very helpful and simply not showing me what I was expecting to see (in which case I'll happily eat my words).
So, my question: What do I need in order to be playing 3D games and watching 3D films on Christmas morning?
As additional/follow-up questions:
I think I have more to ask but I'm also aware I might be rambling. Any help is very much appreciated and I will gladly go into more details should people need it.
Thanks again.
Like you, I had many questions about 3D Vision and it can be somewhat difficult to find concrete answers. I finally went with a pre-bundled package from Newegg.com that included an ASUS 23" 3D Vision ready monitor along with the 3D Vision kit. I don't regret the purchase one bit. If I were you however, I would take a look at the sticky'd thread about 3D Vision II with Lightboost technology. There are larger monitors just hitting the market with new technology that supposedly eliminates the inherent brightness problems with stereo 3D gaming. I believe they cost a pretty penny, but if you are going, might as well go big!
Like you, I had many questions about 3D Vision and it can be somewhat difficult to find concrete answers. I finally went with a pre-bundled package from Newegg.com that included an ASUS 23" 3D Vision ready monitor along with the 3D Vision kit. I don't regret the purchase one bit. If I were you however, I would take a look at the sticky'd thread about 3D Vision II with Lightboost technology. There are larger monitors just hitting the market with new technology that supposedly eliminates the inherent brightness problems with stereo 3D gaming. I believe they cost a pretty penny, but if you are going, might as well go big!
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3d monitors:3dvision-blog.com you read the reviews you decide which one you want and read the comments. You pick-up a dvi-d cable. You pick up a 3d vision kit. Probably an internal blu-ray player as well done.
Get active imo. If you don't read reviews you will wind up with a monitor with ghosting/breaks easily/etc...
3d monitors:3dvision-blog.com you read the reviews you decide which one you want and read the comments. You pick-up a dvi-d cable. You pick up a 3d vision kit. Probably an internal blu-ray player as well done.
Get active imo. If you don't read reviews you will wind up with a monitor with ghosting/breaks easily/etc...
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There is going to be an updated version of the Acer 27" (another good monitor) that supports 3D Vision 2 with lightboost, but it's not out yet.
All these monitors comes bundled with 3D Vision kits and dvi-d cables out of the box. Although the Benq can be purchased with and without the kit, so be careful to read the descriptions of the items.
And of course you, like eqzitara mentioned, your going to need a Blu-ray player, or if you have a PS3, that will do too (as long as the monitor you purchase has HDMI inputs, which in this case, all 3 monitors I listed does).
Also, check the FAQs here as that will help answer some of your questions and even check Nvidia's websites and it will list the things you need to get 3D up and running with 3D Vision. It'll show a list of supported monitors/tvs and etc.
There is going to be an updated version of the Acer 27" (another good monitor) that supports 3D Vision 2 with lightboost, but it's not out yet.
All these monitors comes bundled with 3D Vision kits and dvi-d cables out of the box. Although the Benq can be purchased with and without the kit, so be careful to read the descriptions of the items.
And of course you, like eqzitara mentioned, your going to need a Blu-ray player, or if you have a PS3, that will do too (as long as the monitor you purchase has HDMI inputs, which in this case, all 3 monitors I listed does).
Also, check the FAQs here as that will help answer some of your questions and even check Nvidia's websites and it will list the things you need to get 3D up and running with 3D Vision. It'll show a list of supported monitors/tvs and etc.
*Edit: Ah, I see it now - Near the bottom of OP's post you ask what you need to play games AND watch films. My bad.
*Edit: Ah, I see it now - Near the bottom of OP's post you ask what you need to play games AND watch films. My bad.
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Thank you very much for your answers, it's a definite step toward helping me decide. I think I understand the clear advantages of 3D Vision and the active technology, however...
As well as this forum I also continued doing research on passive vs active and came to the following conclusions, which may or may not be right:
1) With my NVIDIA graphics card I can purchase either an active 3D Vision ready monitor OR a passive monitor.
2a) If I buy an active, I also need the 3D Vision kit, which gives me the active glasses needed and IR transmitter to sync. Here's the biggy: WITHOUT the 3D Vision kit my 3D ready monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as the monitor is not supplied with active glasses or it's own (in-built) IR transmitter. And would I be right in thinking this is different to an Active 3D TV which has the IR transmitter built in and glasses supplied (therefore no extra kit needed).
2b) If I buy a passive monitor, there is obviously no need for the 3D Vision kit (that's technology within the monitor) but I do still need to buy 3DTV Play? As this provides the drivers to allow a 3D signal to be sent to my monitor.
[i]@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).[/i]
Could anyone possibly confirm I'm understanding the technologies and requirements correctly, regardless of which route (active or passive) I take?
Following on as well (while it's fresh in my mind), if indeed I AM understanding correctly (otherwise probably can ignore this), I have some doubts about what I have discovered. While 3D Vision may provide better results (full 1080p at 60Hz), the 3D Vision Kit (and arguably monitor unless an alternative Active glasses kit was found) are highly limited: most notably they can only be used with a PC. However, a [b]passive[/b] monitor would allow for both a feed from my PC (with 3DTV Play), a PS3 (or similar console/device), cheaper glasses, plus: if I bought one with a TV tuner I get 3D TV (I know: with the same expense I could buy a TV tuner for my PC).
Obviously I am writing this on an NVIDIA forum so I expect some slight bias, but if you could at least confirm my understanding first and then lay it on why I should buy 3D Vision instead
Thank you very much for your answers, it's a definite step toward helping me decide. I think I understand the clear advantages of 3D Vision and the active technology, however...
As well as this forum I also continued doing research on passive vs active and came to the following conclusions, which may or may not be right:
1) With my NVIDIA graphics card I can purchase either an active 3D Vision ready monitor OR a passive monitor.
2a) If I buy an active, I also need the 3D Vision kit, which gives me the active glasses needed and IR transmitter to sync. Here's the biggy: WITHOUT the 3D Vision kit my 3D ready monitor is essentially useless (for 3D) as the monitor is not supplied with active glasses or it's own (in-built) IR transmitter. And would I be right in thinking this is different to an Active 3D TV which has the IR transmitter built in and glasses supplied (therefore no extra kit needed).
2b) If I buy a passive monitor, there is obviously no need for the 3D Vision kit (that's technology within the monitor) but I do still need to buy 3DTV Play? As this provides the drivers to allow a 3D signal to be sent to my monitor.
@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).
Could anyone possibly confirm I'm understanding the technologies and requirements correctly, regardless of which route (active or passive) I take?
Following on as well (while it's fresh in my mind), if indeed I AM understanding correctly (otherwise probably can ignore this), I have some doubts about what I have discovered. While 3D Vision may provide better results (full 1080p at 60Hz), the 3D Vision Kit (and arguably monitor unless an alternative Active glasses kit was found) are highly limited: most notably they can only be used with a PC. However, a passive monitor would allow for both a feed from my PC (with 3DTV Play), a PS3 (or similar console/device), cheaper glasses, plus: if I bought one with a TV tuner I get 3D TV (I know: with the same expense I could buy a TV tuner for my PC).
Obviously I am writing this on an NVIDIA forum so I expect some slight bias, but if you could at least confirm my understanding first and then lay it on why I should buy 3D Vision instead
You say you wish to watch Christmas movies, is the display going to be your primary display then?
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If you can afford it, I would wait for the new 27" monitors mentioned in the video. The monitors should be availiable over here soon.
You say you wish to watch Christmas movies, is the display going to be your primary display then?
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If you can afford it, I would wait for the new 27" monitors mentioned in the video. The monitors should be availiable over here soon.
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If you have a family that wants to partake in 3d goodness, I'd go with one of the passive 3dtv's that is on Nvidias compatibility list and buy 3dTV Play. Kids don't care about resolution and stuff like that so 3d gaming and movies at 720p/60hz or 1080p/24hz would probably be ok. Plus a family pack of passive glasses is cheap. That's the route I'm going when I purchase my new family TV myself. (I've already been gaming with the Kit with a monitor for a couple years.)
However, If going solo then I'd suggest the 3d Vision kit and one of the newer 27" monitors with dual-link DVI. Full res 3d gaming @120hz on a good monitor is hands down the best 3d experience (well, other than dual proj...). I still love my 22" Samsung, and it hasn't let me down.
If you have a family that wants to partake in 3d goodness, I'd go with one of the passive 3dtv's that is on Nvidias compatibility list and buy 3dTV Play. Kids don't care about resolution and stuff like that so 3d gaming and movies at 720p/60hz or 1080p/24hz would probably be ok. Plus a family pack of passive glasses is cheap. That's the route I'm going when I purchase my new family TV myself. (I've already been gaming with the Kit with a monitor for a couple years.)
However, If going solo then I'd suggest the 3d Vision kit and one of the newer 27" monitors with dual-link DVI. Full res 3d gaming @120hz on a good monitor is hands down the best 3d experience (well, other than dual proj...). I still love my 22" Samsung, and it hasn't let me down.
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@SnickerSnack "It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology" Does this only apply to Active TVs? [/quote]
Honestly I can't answer that, but IIRC, when I was shopping for this stuff there was no such thing as an active TV that behaved just like a 3D Vision ready monitor. The largest monitors available were 23", and they are only just now coming out with the 27"s. To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
[i]@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).[/i][/quote]
I think he was referencing the ability to play Blu-Ray movies, not actually game with the PS3.
@SnickerSnack "It's acheived by a shortcut that isn't compatible with 3D Vision technology" Does this only apply to Active TVs?
Honestly I can't answer that, but IIRC, when I was shopping for this stuff there was no such thing as an active TV that behaved just like a 3D Vision ready monitor. The largest monitors available were 23", and they are only just now coming out with the 27"s. To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
[quote name='chrisn' date='07 December 2011 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1323267600' post='1338845']
@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).
I think he was referencing the ability to play Blu-Ray movies, not actually game with the PS3.
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To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
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3D HDTVs use either Active or Passive and are not "exclusively passive", other than the fact you can not use active shutter glasses with a passive TV or vice versa.
http://www.scec.org/geowall/actpass.html
@Chrisn, if you are going to be watching 3D with anyone else, avoid the 23" Passive Displays, unless you get one that has an ISP panel that offers greater viewing angles. In which case, with a ISP panel, you sacrifice display response time. Also only the Acer Passive monitors are officially Nvidia supported.
Nvidia 3D Vision supported Displays http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html
Nvidia 3DTV Play supported Displays (active and passive) http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html
If you want to impress your friends, get a projector and watch their jaws drop watching you game on a 100 inch or greater screen size. (limtied to 720P for 3D gaming)
To my knowledge, 3D TV's exclusively use passive technology, and to use 3D vision with them you must purchase 3DTV Play. The limitation with that is they only (officially) support 720dpi, so it is a graphical compromise.
3D HDTVs use either Active or Passive and are not "exclusively passive", other than the fact you can not use active shutter glasses with a passive TV or vice versa.
http://www.scec.org/geowall/actpass.html
@Chrisn, if you are going to be watching 3D with anyone else, avoid the 23" Passive Displays, unless you get one that has an ISP panel that offers greater viewing angles. In which case, with a ISP panel, you sacrifice display response time. Also only the Acer Passive monitors are officially Nvidia supported.
Nvidia 3D Vision supported Displays http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-displays.html
Nvidia 3DTV Play supported Displays (active and passive) http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html
If you want to impress your friends, get a projector and watch their jaws drop watching you game on a 100 inch or greater screen size. (limtied to 720P for 3D gaming)
[i]@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).[/i]
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I have a PS3 and I've hooked it up to my Asus VG278H, which is a NVIDIA 3D Vision compliant monitor, and it works. I was watching "The Smurfs" in 3D no problem. I haven't tried PS3 games yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on my monitor either. The PS3 detected my monitor as a 3D monitor and from there, when I ran the movie, it enabled 3D.
@vNaK: You have confused me slightly, you say "or if you have a PS3, that will do too". Surely a PS3 (or any console/device kicking out a 3D signal) cannot work with 3D vision? It needs drivers and NVIDIA graphics cards does it not? And 3DTV Play only allows for 3D play from a PC into a TV (like I said with my understanding of the requirements for a Passive monitor).
I have a PS3 and I've hooked it up to my Asus VG278H, which is a NVIDIA 3D Vision compliant monitor, and it works. I was watching "The Smurfs" in 3D no problem. I haven't tried PS3 games yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on my monitor either. The PS3 detected my monitor as a 3D monitor and from there, when I ran the movie, it enabled 3D.
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
That's good to know about the PS3. I learn something new everyday.
To clarify my remark about 3D TVs, there were no compatible 3D televisions when I bought into 3D vision except for Mitsubishi DLPs. This was before they came out with 3D TV Play. The only way to get something larger than a 23" monitor was either with a projector or Mitsubishi DLP. I didn't want a DLP. Active plasma or LED 3D TVs may have been around, but certainly out of my budget and not officially supported as I recall. That only happened when 3D TV Play was released.
That's good to know about the PS3. I learn something new everyday.
To clarify my remark about 3D TVs, there were no compatible 3D televisions when I bought into 3D vision except for Mitsubishi DLPs. This was before they came out with 3D TV Play. The only way to get something larger than a 23" monitor was either with a projector or Mitsubishi DLP. I didn't want a DLP. Active plasma or LED 3D TVs may have been around, but certainly out of my budget and not officially supported as I recall. That only happened when 3D TV Play was released.
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All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
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I've never had a problem with the dimming effect of active glasses. First like snicker said, you can up the games brightness settings. Also, your pupils will dilate to adjust after a couple minutes.
Also, if you're looking at a demo in a store, be sure to mess with the emitter dial a bit and look at different depths. I don't know if they would have the convergence shortcuts enabled or not. I would doubt it. Most store clerks are clueless. So if the store demo does indeed impress you, you'll be even more impressed when you get home and can actually adjust depth and convergence to the absolute best of your liking.
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
I've never had a problem with the dimming effect of active glasses. First like snicker said, you can up the games brightness settings. Also, your pupils will dilate to adjust after a couple minutes.
Also, if you're looking at a demo in a store, be sure to mess with the emitter dial a bit and look at different depths. I don't know if they would have the convergence shortcuts enabled or not. I would doubt it. Most store clerks are clueless. So if the store demo does indeed impress you, you'll be even more impressed when you get home and can actually adjust depth and convergence to the absolute best of your liking.
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All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
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You are probably right, that if you bought a separate 3d vision kit, that it won't work with the PS3. Me being curious, I just downloaded Stardust HD for PS3, which has 3D support. Hooked up the PS3 to my monitor and it detected the game and my monitor and I was able to play Stardust in 3D. So far so good, it's working for both games and movies. I'll probably go rent/buy a PS3/3D supported game to make sure it works in other games too. From what I'm seeing, I think as long as the PS3 is sending the right signals to my monitor, my monitor will be able to detect and pick it up.
All very useful answers, those videos @andysonofbob were very useful (and very up to date!). I think I've confirmed everything I need to know about the two technologies now, I just need to decide. I wish my budget would stretch to the new 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost monitors but I think they might be out of my price range, are the old ones really that dark?
Lastly though,@vNak: Presumably that monitor is special in that it has the IR built into it and glasses sold with it. If I bought just a standard monitor with the intention of buying 3D Vision as a separate package, I wouldn't be able to plug the 3D Vision into the PS3 and therefore no 3D. From what I've learnt, 3D Vision should only work with NVidia graphics cards but maybe because that monitor has it built in NVidia removed that requirement for that monitor to allow a broader range of devices (or alternatively the PS3 has an NVidia graphics card?)
I'm off to see a 3D Vision demo in store today, it's one of the listed stores on NVidia's website so hopefully it should prove worthwhile.
You are probably right, that if you bought a separate 3d vision kit, that it won't work with the PS3. Me being curious, I just downloaded Stardust HD for PS3, which has 3D support. Hooked up the PS3 to my monitor and it detected the game and my monitor and I was able to play Stardust in 3D. So far so good, it's working for both games and movies. I'll probably go rent/buy a PS3/3D supported game to make sure it works in other games too. From what I'm seeing, I think as long as the PS3 is sending the right signals to my monitor, my monitor will be able to detect and pick it up.