Bioshock Infinity 3D Vision ?
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...not following my own advice, but wow, talk about sledgehammer moderation.
...not following my own advice, but wow, talk about sledgehammer moderation.

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#61
Posted 02/11/2013 07:07 PM   
The "moderator" on that site is a disgrace. I am not going to post there and say so, because it will simply pander to his/her agenda and ego, which is a shame because I really want to metaphorically tell him/her what I think. I would however, suggest that people continue to post simple one-liners requesting and supporting 3D Vision support. I requested a short list of things that I think are useful to request for any upcoming game: " I would also like to request support for Nvidia 3D Vision. There are a few levels in which this support could be provided, which a few other posters have mentioned: - Using the capabilities of the Unreal Engine, make it 3D Vision Ready (perfect solution ;-) - At least make shadows work properly, have a 3D hud, and make game markers/crosshair and so on 3D (not rendered at screen depth) - Release a DX9 version so even if the developers have no time to make the game work well in 3D, the community themselves will have some chance of creating a fix (using the Helix approach). I have no idea how much effort it would be to make a DX9 version, but since the game will run on an XBOX360 they must have produced some DX9 compliant version already, so it should be possible - Provide comprehensive graphics tweaking options so if there are particular problems in 3D rendering, the user can disable them (the most common things are shadows and some lighting effects, and double imaging with fog for example). This could either be in game menus, or a config file override. - 3D DLC. I've never thought of that idea before, but someone else here suggested it, and I would pay an extra $10 for it. "
The "moderator" on that site is a disgrace. I am not going to post there and say so, because it will simply pander to his/her agenda and ego, which is a shame because I really want to metaphorically tell him/her what I think. I would however, suggest that people continue to post simple one-liners requesting and supporting 3D Vision support. I requested a short list of things that I think are useful to request for any upcoming game:

"
I would also like to request support for Nvidia 3D Vision. There are a few levels in which this support could be provided, which a few other posters have mentioned:
- Using the capabilities of the Unreal Engine, make it 3D Vision Ready (perfect solution ;-)
- At least make shadows work properly, have a 3D hud, and make game markers/crosshair and so on 3D (not rendered at screen depth)
- Release a DX9 version so even if the developers have no time to make the game work well in 3D, the community themselves will have some chance of creating a fix (using the Helix approach). I have no idea how much effort it would be to make a DX9 version, but since the game will run on an XBOX360 they must have produced some DX9 compliant version already, so it should be possible
- Provide comprehensive graphics tweaking options so if there are particular problems in 3D rendering, the user can disable them (the most common things are shadows and some lighting effects, and double imaging with fog for example). This could either be in game menus, or a config file override.
- 3D DLC. I've never thought of that idea before, but someone else here suggested it, and I would pay an extra $10 for it.
"

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#62
Posted 02/12/2013 02:20 AM   
Thanks bo3b, foreverseeking, and Ricky Martyr for your thoughts on Oculus Rift being added to the thread. I guess my main worry is that we've built up a pretty beefy thread, 184 posts representing enthusiasm (and its requisite skepticism) for 3D Vision, which now gets labeled as the combined community interest in both 3D Vision [i]and[/i] Oculus Rift. That's why I say it appears to dilute the support for 3D Vision, which also happens to be the easier/more realistic of the two to add support for, certainly in the time frame in which we're hoping to get it. A reading of all the posts shows that it's no more than 5% about the Oculus Rift (which itself is a good reason not to combine the two at this stage), but what's the chances that a busy developer is going to read all 184 posts, instead of just look at the title, the number of total posts and views, and skim a bit to gauge the community's interest? Anyway, in addition to what I posted on the board I sent a PM to a mod about it. No response yet but PMs to mods/administrators should suffice at this point. And awesome post by bo3b (assuming I'm connecting the names correctly) defending your numbers! Both reasonable and scientific. He looks the fool now for calling that absurd.
Thanks bo3b, foreverseeking, and Ricky Martyr for your thoughts on Oculus Rift being added to the thread. I guess my main worry is that we've built up a pretty beefy thread, 184 posts representing enthusiasm (and its requisite skepticism) for 3D Vision, which now gets labeled as the combined community interest in both 3D Vision and Oculus Rift. That's why I say it appears to dilute the support for 3D Vision, which also happens to be the easier/more realistic of the two to add support for, certainly in the time frame in which we're hoping to get it. A reading of all the posts shows that it's no more than 5% about the Oculus Rift (which itself is a good reason not to combine the two at this stage), but what's the chances that a busy developer is going to read all 184 posts, instead of just look at the title, the number of total posts and views, and skim a bit to gauge the community's interest?

Anyway, in addition to what I posted on the board I sent a PM to a mod about it. No response yet but PMs to mods/administrators should suffice at this point.

And awesome post by bo3b (assuming I'm connecting the names correctly) defending your numbers! Both reasonable and scientific. He looks the fool now for calling that absurd.

#63
Posted 02/12/2013 07:09 AM   
Airion, your right, a really beefy thread in a very very short time. Look at all the other threads? We destroy most of them, and even the stickies, some of which are years old, have only double what we achieved in 3 weeks. And yet, this moderator suggests that this thread proves there is only a tiny interest in 3D!!!! like everyone who uses 3D looks at infinite forums. Hell, even nvdiia own 3D vision forums seems to only contain a handful of active users, its hardly buzzing in here. I can't believe that when a thread gets multiple times more views, comments, independent commenters than almost all other threads, that it gets treated with such hostility, and treated as if we are really unimportant. When the moderator is a flamebaiter, you got trouble on your forums....
Airion, your right, a really beefy thread in a very very short time. Look at all the other threads? We destroy most of them, and even the stickies, some of which are years old, have only double what we achieved in 3 weeks. And yet, this moderator suggests that this thread proves there is only a tiny interest in 3D!!!! like everyone who uses 3D looks at infinite forums. Hell, even nvdiia own 3D vision forums seems to only contain a handful of active users, its hardly buzzing in here.

I can't believe that when a thread gets multiple times more views, comments, independent commenters than almost all other threads, that it gets treated with such hostility, and treated as if we are really unimportant. When the moderator is a flamebaiter, you got trouble on your forums....

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#64
Posted 02/12/2013 09:17 AM   
I don't know how 2k chooses their moderators but it's a terrible policy.
I don't know how 2k chooses their moderators but it's a terrible policy.

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#65
Posted 02/12/2013 03:20 PM   
The guys who mod 2K forums sound like absolute pricks
The guys who mod 2K forums sound like absolute pricks

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#66
Posted 02/12/2013 06:34 PM   
They flamebait then merge two threads of different techs despite objects from all, including the OR thread op, and the nvidia thread. they then say that OR has nothing to do with 3D, right on their own forum, after saying OR and nvidia can be thought of as the me thing (whatever suits their situation) the mod felonious comes back in, literally flame after flame. then the other mod says he wants to close the thread, because its hostile (because of the moderation, how is that fair!) and that the two thread OR and nvidia 3D distract from each other and muddle things up..... but they we the ones who merged the threads. obvious derailment is obvious derailment. No wonder so few games are 3D ready,when there is this hostility. And make no mistake, this is not debate, this is pure hostility.
They flamebait
then merge two threads of different techs despite objects from all, including the OR thread op, and the nvidia thread.
they then say that OR has nothing to do with 3D, right on their own forum, after saying OR and nvidia can be thought of as the me thing (whatever suits their situation)

the mod felonious comes back in, literally flame after flame.

then the other mod says he wants to close the thread, because its hostile (because of the moderation, how is that fair!) and that the two thread OR and nvidia 3D distract from each other and muddle things up..... but they we the ones who merged the threads.

obvious derailment is obvious derailment. No wonder so few games are 3D ready,when there is this hostility. And make no mistake, this is not debate, this is pure hostility.

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#67
Posted 02/12/2013 07:01 PM   
thinking about it, bioshock infinite was one of my must buys this year, but these guys have really soured that for me. I think, like mass effect, it will be a great series that i simply may not pay for the pleasure of playing. My steam backcatalogue breathes a sigh of relief! Still, one sale lost, its not much is it? That is certainly the first and only time I have been put off a company via their volunteer staff!
thinking about it, bioshock infinite was one of my must buys this year, but these guys have really soured that for me. I think, like mass effect, it will be a great series that i simply may not pay for the pleasure of playing. My steam backcatalogue breathes a sigh of relief! Still, one sale lost, its not much is it? That is certainly the first and only time I have been put off a company via their volunteer staff!

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#68
Posted 02/12/2013 07:27 PM   
[quote="foreverseeking"]thinking about it, bioshock infinite was one of my must buys this year, but these guys have really soured that for me. I think, like mass effect, it will be s great series that i simply don't pay for the pleasure of playing. My steam backcatalogue breathes a sigh of relief! Still, one sale lost, its not much is it? That is certainly the first and only time I have been put off a company via their volunteer staff![/quote] I stopped supporting EA after Forced marketing . Then I was banned from Battlelog for speaking out against EA working with US government anti Gun movement . That was it for me ! I buy games based on two things "Developers who respect me " And "Quality of the game " .
foreverseeking said:thinking about it, bioshock infinite was one of my must buys this year, but these guys have really soured that for me. I think, like mass effect, it will be s great series that i simply don't pay for the pleasure of playing. My steam backcatalogue breathes a sigh of relief! Still, one sale lost, its not much is it? That is certainly the first and only time I have been put off a company via their volunteer staff!


I stopped supporting EA after Forced marketing . Then I was banned from Battlelog for speaking out against EA working with US government anti Gun movement . That was it for me !

I buy games based on two things "Developers who respect me " And "Quality of the game " .

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#69
Posted 02/12/2013 07:40 PM   
EA are one of my pet hates, for very very good reasons. I stopped buying mass effect series due to DLC that stays artificially inflated, never sold in a bundle and it is incredibly clear in mass effect 2 that much of that DLC was ripped out, and added a lot to story background (shadowbroker anyone) that with dragon age 1 having a dlc saleman within the game at camp, that made me really sad, to see one of the greatest developers fall so hard. Rest in peace Bioware, for all eternity in hell, where you will go after you sold your soul to the devil. but back onto topic, companies behaviour do cause long term loyalty or hate. The IG forum, for me, leads towards the hate end of the scale, and once a company loses me, i will always be wary.. Crytek, im looking at you, no Crysis 3 prepurchase for you, you naughty re-projection 3D, DX 11 only months later, console fiends. think now is time for a big plug to CD Projekt Red. Ok, the games are great (imo) but the attitude is simply steller! that is a companybthat has my money any day!
EA are one of my pet hates, for very very good reasons. I stopped buying mass effect series due to DLC that stays artificially inflated, never sold in a bundle and it is incredibly clear in mass effect 2 that much of that DLC was ripped out, and added a lot to story background (shadowbroker anyone)

that with dragon age 1 having a dlc saleman within the game at camp, that made me really sad, to see one of the greatest developers fall so hard. Rest in peace Bioware, for all eternity in hell, where you will go after you sold your soul to the devil.

but back onto topic, companies behaviour do cause long term loyalty or hate. The IG forum, for me, leads towards the hate end of the scale, and once a company loses me, i will always be wary.. Crytek, im looking at you, no Crysis 3 prepurchase for you, you naughty re-projection 3D, DX 11 only months later, console fiends.

think now is time for a big plug to CD Projekt Red. Ok, the games are great (imo) but the attitude is simply steller! that is a companybthat has my money any day!

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#70
Posted 02/12/2013 07:53 PM   
[quote="Defected] I stopped supporting EA after Forced marketing . Then I was banned from Battlelog for speaking out against EA working with US government anti Gun movement . That was it for me ! I buy games based on two things "Developers who respect me " And "Quality of the game " . [/quote] Sorry, I don't want to start another war, but I'm European, and over here we think being able to carry guns with you on person is absolutely insane. One drunk night, one argument, and a whole lot of blood later and you end up with a rather sad story. Per capita, USA has 40x more gun related deaths then UK. That is not insignificant, and It's clear that we are so similar a nation, that only the free selling and consumption of weapons differentiates our countries. Aka, games don't kill, guns do. Now I hate EA, and I didn't know they were working with the anti-gun lobby... But isn't it actually a positive thing to try and keep guns to gun clubs and hunters? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[/url]
Defected said: I stopped supporting EA after Forced marketing . Then I was banned from Battlelog for speaking out against EA working with US government anti Gun movement . That was it for me !

I buy games based on two things "Developers who respect me " And "Quality of the game " .


Sorry, I don't want to start another war, but I'm European, and over here we think being able to carry guns with you on person is absolutely insane. One drunk night, one argument, and a whole lot of blood later and you end up with a rather sad story. Per capita, USA has 40x more gun related deaths then UK. That is not insignificant, and It's clear that we are so similar a nation, that only the free selling and consumption of weapons differentiates our countries. Aka, games don't kill, guns do.

Now I hate EA, and I didn't know they were working with the anti-gun lobby... But isn't it actually a positive thing to try and keep guns to gun clubs and hunters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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#71
Posted 02/12/2013 08:02 PM   
[quote="foreverseeking"][quote="Defected] I stopped supporting EA after Forced marketing . Then I was banned from Battlelog for speaking out against EA working with US government anti Gun movement . That was it for me ! I buy games based on two things "Developers who respect me " And "Quality of the game " . [/quote] Sorry, I don't want to start another war, but I'm European, and over here we think being able to carry guns with you on person is absolutely insane. One drunk night, one argument, and a whole lot of blood later and you end up with a rather sad story. Per capita, USA has 40x more gun related deaths then UK. That is not insignificant, and It's clear that we are so similar a nation, that only the free selling and consumption of weapons differentiates our countries. Aka, games don't kill, guns do. Now I hate EA, and I didn't know they were working with the anti-gun lobby... But isn't it actually a positive thing to try and keep guns to gun clubs and hunters? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate[/url][/quote] 1% of gun owners are nuts . 99% stay true to the laws . its like laws against Pot or Prohibition it never works . The Constitution come first not government . People don't understand this issue is more about Freedom then "Gun ownership" . I own a gun and will never give up my rights . Also Chicago is out of control with Gun related deaths - those deaths comes from illegal gun owners Who are thugs . most gun related deaths are caused by criminals who purchased guns illegally .
foreverseeking said:
Defected said: I stopped supporting EA after Forced marketing . Then I was banned from Battlelog for speaking out against EA working with US government anti Gun movement . That was it for me !

I buy games based on two things "Developers who respect me " And "Quality of the game " .


Sorry, I don't want to start another war, but I'm European, and over here we think being able to carry guns with you on person is absolutely insane. One drunk night, one argument, and a whole lot of blood later and you end up with a rather sad story. Per capita, USA has 40x more gun related deaths then UK. That is not insignificant, and It's clear that we are so similar a nation, that only the free selling and consumption of weapons differentiates our countries. Aka, games don't kill, guns do.

Now I hate EA, and I didn't know they were working with the anti-gun lobby... But isn't it actually a positive thing to try and keep guns to gun clubs and hunters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


1% of gun owners are nuts . 99% stay true to the laws . its like laws against Pot or Prohibition it never works . The Constitution come first not government . People don't understand this issue is more about Freedom then "Gun ownership" . I own a gun and will never give up my rights .

Also Chicago is out of control with Gun related deaths - those deaths comes from illegal gun owners Who are thugs . most gun related deaths are caused by criminals who purchased guns illegally .

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#72
Posted 02/12/2013 08:54 PM   
isn't the anti-gun patrol just trying to get people to give up the rights to fully automatic weapons? Anyway, that topics for another thread ;-) Japester is closing the thread over on the other forum, so to be honest that's the nail in the coffin for me. I did try to reason, but now they can shut it down, and continue pretending 3D is irrelevant, and use the newly created thread to prove that as true. I for one will not bother to contribute to it. I have better things to do then make messages for threads that get canned. The fact that they merged the thread, and now want to close it and make two new threads is simply abominable. I really wish I never saw IG forum, as it has dented the beautiful advert of Infinite on my steam, that is begging me to click pre-purchase. Definitely is not being clicked now.
isn't the anti-gun patrol just trying to get people to give up the rights to fully automatic weapons? Anyway, that topics for another thread ;-) Japester is closing the thread over on the other forum, so to be honest that's the nail in the coffin for me. I did try to reason, but now they can shut it down, and continue pretending 3D is irrelevant, and use the newly created thread to prove that as true. I for one will not bother to contribute to it. I have better things to do then make messages for threads that get canned.

The fact that they merged the thread, and now want to close it and make two new threads is simply abominable. I really wish I never saw IG forum, as it has dented the beautiful advert of Infinite on my steam, that is begging me to click pre-purchase. Definitely is not being clicked now.

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#73
Posted 02/12/2013 09:17 PM   
Sorry folks, looks like I might have accidentally pissed off Aegiri too. Not sure if my expectations are off, but man that's a hostile joint in my opinion. I'm with you foreverseeking, that whole experience makes me want to skip the game altogether. Let me go play some Minerva's Den with the WIP Helix mod to get my head straight. Back on track for this thread- I don't think it's looking too good for S3D for Infinite. While driving around the 2K site, there was a big discussion and blog about the stuff they are bringing to PC, and making PC a priority. It's good, they definitely are making an effort. But, not a peep about S3D. And, they used to have S3D support on their website for the PS3 version, which has since been pulled. [url]http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?211656-No-Stereoscopic-3D-for-PS3-!-([/url] With no marketing behind it, you pretty much have to presume it's not good. Lastly, they say it's a DX11 game, which suggests no easy fallback to DX9 and Helix fixes. We'll see, but it looks like S3D got thrown under the schedule bus.
Sorry folks, looks like I might have accidentally pissed off Aegiri too. Not sure if my expectations are off, but man that's a hostile joint in my opinion. I'm with you foreverseeking, that whole experience makes me want to skip the game altogether.

Let me go play some Minerva's Den with the WIP Helix mod to get my head straight.


Back on track for this thread- I don't think it's looking too good for S3D for Infinite.

While driving around the 2K site, there was a big discussion and blog about the stuff they are bringing to PC, and making PC a priority. It's good, they definitely are making an effort.

But, not a peep about S3D. And, they used to have S3D support on their website for the PS3 version, which has since been pulled.

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?211656-No-Stereoscopic-3D-for-PS3-!-(

With no marketing behind it, you pretty much have to presume it's not good.

Lastly, they say it's a DX11 game, which suggests no easy fallback to DX9 and Helix fixes.


We'll see, but it looks like S3D got thrown under the schedule bus.

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#74
Posted 02/13/2013 10:34 AM   
Very hostile, the moderation is like a white cop going into a black pro rights meeting, shooting his gun, shouting "Whites rule, white is right", then locking everyone up in a cell when the crowd gets roudy. It's a shambles, and i don't understand why they call our comments out for being asinine, stupid, ridiculous, when the mods have even used "The Little Mermaid" 3D being cancelled as proof 3D is dying.... not off topic at all, right? It's a shame, and they have put me off IG, which i know is unfair, but its true, and for now my wallet is in my pocket. Bck to Minervas Den, I didnt even know that came out for PC, is it any good? It's only available via ms store for steam though..... ewww, not overly trusting of MS.... is it worth it?
Very hostile, the moderation is like a white cop going into a black pro rights meeting, shooting his gun, shouting "Whites rule, white is right", then locking everyone up in a cell when the crowd gets roudy. It's a shambles, and i don't understand why they call our comments out for being asinine, stupid, ridiculous, when the mods have even used "The Little Mermaid" 3D being cancelled as proof 3D is dying.... not off topic at all, right?

It's a shame, and they have put me off IG, which i know is unfair, but its true, and for now my wallet is in my pocket.

Bck to Minervas Den, I didnt even know that came out for PC, is it any good? It's only available via ms store for steam though..... ewww, not overly trusting of MS.... is it worth it?

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#75
Posted 02/13/2013 11:50 AM   
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