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Many newly released AAA games (e.g. Mass Effect 3) don't have good 3D support and many that are going to be released have neither (like Max Pain 3).

Is 3D dying?
Many newly released AAA games (e.g. Mass Effect 3) don't have good 3D support and many that are going to be released have neither (like Max Pain 3).



Is 3D dying?

#1
Posted 03/22/2012 11:08 PM   
How do you know what max payne's 3d ranking is?

Its always been up to developer. Your on the wrong forum if you want better support. Contact developer directly on their forum.
I dont remember seeing anything about max payne 3 3d. They pushed back pc release to "add more features" though which could mean anything.
How do you know what max payne's 3d ranking is?



Its always been up to developer. Your on the wrong forum if you want better support. Contact developer directly on their forum.

I dont remember seeing anything about max payne 3 3d. They pushed back pc release to "add more features" though which could mean anything.

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#2
Posted 03/22/2012 11:23 PM   
[quote name='eqzitara' date='22 March 2012 - 11:23 PM' timestamp='1332458611' post='1386540']
How do you know what max payne's 3d ranking is?

Its always been up to developer. Your on the wrong forum if you want better support. Contact developer directly on their forum.
I dont remember seeing anything about max payne 3 3d. They pushed back pc release to "add more features" though which could mean anything.
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I just installed the latest driver and in the settings you can see the gsme ratings: Max Payne 3 --? not recommended.

Nvidia claims to be working with developers around the world, but are they?
[quote name='eqzitara' date='22 March 2012 - 11:23 PM' timestamp='1332458611' post='1386540']

How do you know what max payne's 3d ranking is?



Its always been up to developer. Your on the wrong forum if you want better support. Contact developer directly on their forum.

I dont remember seeing anything about max payne 3 3d. They pushed back pc release to "add more features" though which could mean anything.





I just installed the latest driver and in the settings you can see the gsme ratings: Max Payne 3 --? not recommended.



Nvidia claims to be working with developers around the world, but are they?

#3
Posted 03/23/2012 07:07 AM   
It's up to the developers to determine if they want to add 3D support to their game or not. Nvidia is not going to overly pester them about it if they aren't interested.
It's up to the developers to determine if they want to add 3D support to their game or not. Nvidia is not going to overly pester them about it if they aren't interested.

#4
Posted 03/23/2012 08:13 AM   
What we need is more 3D output format for 3DTVPlay.
1080p60 SBS/TP and 1080p30 FramePacking !

You can wait 1 more week for a new game.

We are waiting for one year for these features.
What we need is more 3D output format for 3DTVPlay.

1080p60 SBS/TP and 1080p30 FramePacking !



You can wait 1 more week for a new game.



We are waiting for one year for these features.

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#5
Posted 03/23/2012 09:12 AM   
[quote name='Arioch' date='23 March 2012 - 08:13 AM' timestamp='1332490415' post='1386719']
It's up to the developers to determine if they want to add 3D support to their game or not. Nvidia is not going to overly pester them about it if they aren't interested.
[/quote]

If Nvidia wants 3D vision to be a success, maybe they should participate (=invest money) in gamedevelopment for Triple A games.
OR they should improve the solution so that games automatically render well in 3D.
[quote name='Arioch' date='23 March 2012 - 08:13 AM' timestamp='1332490415' post='1386719']

It's up to the developers to determine if they want to add 3D support to their game or not. Nvidia is not going to overly pester them about it if they aren't interested.





If Nvidia wants 3D vision to be a success, maybe they should participate (=invest money) in gamedevelopment for Triple A games.

OR they should improve the solution so that games automatically render well in 3D.

#6
Posted 03/23/2012 10:44 AM   
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-22-max-payne-3-pc-supports-directx-11-3d

Max Payne 3 supports 3D explicitly. It does say DX11 3D, which may be a reference to the 3D functionality in DX 11.1. I don't really know how nVidia 3D Vision works with these features especially on DX 11 cards. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-22-max-payne-3-pc-supports-directx-11-3d



Max Payne 3 supports 3D explicitly. It does say DX11 3D, which may be a reference to the 3D functionality in DX 11.1. I don't really know how nVidia 3D Vision works with these features especially on DX 11 cards. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in?

#7
Posted 03/23/2012 02:07 PM   
[quote name='Pfipfo' date='23 March 2012 - 03:44 AM' timestamp='1332499490' post='1386764']
If Nvidia wants 3D vision to be a success, maybe they should participate (=invest money) in gamedevelopment for Triple A games.
OR they should improve the solution so that games automatically render well in 3D.
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There's a limit to what they can do without really large investments, I sat through a presentation on what the cost to implement 3D was in console games recently, it included how many people even try and play in 3D as a statistic.
As a developer, you certainly don't do it for the increased revenue.
The big issue was that while the implementation cost was low, it usually involved key members of the dev staff, and it was a significant increase on the testing burden.

Right now they have to convince developers it's "cool" and low enough cost to justify, when your banging up against deadlines adding 3D support means leaving out something else, and most devs will not choose to make that compromise.
[quote name='Pfipfo' date='23 March 2012 - 03:44 AM' timestamp='1332499490' post='1386764']

If Nvidia wants 3D vision to be a success, maybe they should participate (=invest money) in gamedevelopment for Triple A games.

OR they should improve the solution so that games automatically render well in 3D.





There's a limit to what they can do without really large investments, I sat through a presentation on what the cost to implement 3D was in console games recently, it included how many people even try and play in 3D as a statistic.

As a developer, you certainly don't do it for the increased revenue.

The big issue was that while the implementation cost was low, it usually involved key members of the dev staff, and it was a significant increase on the testing burden.



Right now they have to convince developers it's "cool" and low enough cost to justify, when your banging up against deadlines adding 3D support means leaving out something else, and most devs will not choose to make that compromise.
#8
Posted 03/23/2012 04:16 PM   
Rockstar seems to support 3D since LA Noire. I'm sure GTAV will be 3D ready too /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
Rockstar seems to support 3D since LA Noire. I'm sure GTAV will be 3D ready too /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

#9
Posted 03/23/2012 05:36 PM   
[quote name='ERP' date='23 March 2012 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1332519365' post='1386916']
There's a limit to what they can do without really large investments, I sat through a presentation on what the cost to implement 3D was in console games recently, it included how many people even try and play in 3D as a statistic.
As a developer, you certainly don't do it for the increased revenue.
The big issue was that while the implementation cost was low, it usually involved key members of the dev staff, and it was a significant increase on the testing burden.

Right now they have to convince developers it's "cool" and low enough cost to justify, when your banging up against deadlines adding 3D support means leaving out something else, and most devs will not choose to make that compromise.
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Fair enough, I can understand that any company needs to make money. I certainly hope that besides making money there are also people working for the reason: let's make something new and exiting.
I honestly believe that 3D (like in Trine 2 or Hard Reset) could be an amazing future for gaming. So far, I have never EVER had the experience that if showed those games to someone, that particular person said: mmmm, no, not interested in 3D. Seeing is BELIEVING. Anyways, I hope that developers not only think with the wallet in mind, but also with a heart for (3D) gaming. Thats all folks.
[quote name='ERP' date='23 March 2012 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1332519365' post='1386916']

There's a limit to what they can do without really large investments, I sat through a presentation on what the cost to implement 3D was in console games recently, it included how many people even try and play in 3D as a statistic.

As a developer, you certainly don't do it for the increased revenue.

The big issue was that while the implementation cost was low, it usually involved key members of the dev staff, and it was a significant increase on the testing burden.



Right now they have to convince developers it's "cool" and low enough cost to justify, when your banging up against deadlines adding 3D support means leaving out something else, and most devs will not choose to make that compromise.





Fair enough, I can understand that any company needs to make money. I certainly hope that besides making money there are also people working for the reason: let's make something new and exiting.

I honestly believe that 3D (like in Trine 2 or Hard Reset) could be an amazing future for gaming. So far, I have never EVER had the experience that if showed those games to someone, that particular person said: mmmm, no, not interested in 3D. Seeing is BELIEVING. Anyways, I hope that developers not only think with the wallet in mind, but also with a heart for (3D) gaming. Thats all folks.

#10
Posted 03/23/2012 07:18 PM   
[quote name='Schmeltzer' date='23 March 2012 - 12:18 PM' timestamp='1332530327' post='1386984']
Fair enough, I can understand that any company needs to make money. I certainly hope that besides making money there are also people working for the reason: let's make something new and exiting.
I honestly believe that 3D (like in Trine 2 or Hard Reset) could be an amazing future for gaming. So far, I have never EVER had the experience that if showed those games to someone, that particular person said: mmmm, no, not interested in 3D. Seeing is BELIEVING. Anyways, I hope that developers not only think with the wallet in mind, but also with a heart for (3D) gaming. Thats all folks.
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Developers don't generally think in terms of dollars (outside a few people who's job it is).
But when you look at a feature and less that 1% of your user base is ever going to see it, when you have to cut something that will make the game better for 100% of the players to make it happen it's a hard decision to make. Whether as a developer you personally find 3D compelling or not (And despite your experiences a number of people are just not sold on the value).
I think the console manufacturers will continue to push it and with the prevalence of 3D TV's increasing you'll see improved adoption in the console space which will push back into the PC Space over time.
NVidia doesn't have the weight or resources to do much more than evangelize it, and do the current half assed auto conversion that we get in most games on the PC.
[quote name='Schmeltzer' date='23 March 2012 - 12:18 PM' timestamp='1332530327' post='1386984']

Fair enough, I can understand that any company needs to make money. I certainly hope that besides making money there are also people working for the reason: let's make something new and exiting.

I honestly believe that 3D (like in Trine 2 or Hard Reset) could be an amazing future for gaming. So far, I have never EVER had the experience that if showed those games to someone, that particular person said: mmmm, no, not interested in 3D. Seeing is BELIEVING. Anyways, I hope that developers not only think with the wallet in mind, but also with a heart for (3D) gaming. Thats all folks.





Developers don't generally think in terms of dollars (outside a few people who's job it is).

But when you look at a feature and less that 1% of your user base is ever going to see it, when you have to cut something that will make the game better for 100% of the players to make it happen it's a hard decision to make. Whether as a developer you personally find 3D compelling or not (And despite your experiences a number of people are just not sold on the value).

I think the console manufacturers will continue to push it and with the prevalence of 3D TV's increasing you'll see improved adoption in the console space which will push back into the PC Space over time.

NVidia doesn't have the weight or resources to do much more than evangelize it, and do the current half assed auto conversion that we get in most games on the PC.
#11
Posted 03/23/2012 09:13 PM   
Tbh. I really think nvidia needs to stop focusing on dev support(sure ask once, and if you get it swell) but they should really look at implementing more tools in profile management like tridef.
Tbh. I really think nvidia needs to stop focusing on dev support(sure ask once, and if you get it swell) but they should really look at implementing more tools in profile management like tridef.

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#12
Posted 03/23/2012 09:34 PM   
[quote name='eqzitara' date='23 March 2012 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1332538473' post='1387025']
Tbh. I really think nvidia needs to stop focusing on dev support(sure ask once, and if you get it swell) but they should really look at implementing more tools in profile management like tridef.
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yup
[quote name='eqzitara' date='23 March 2012 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1332538473' post='1387025']

Tbh. I really think nvidia needs to stop focusing on dev support(sure ask once, and if you get it swell) but they should really look at implementing more tools in profile management like tridef.





yup

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#13
Posted 03/23/2012 11:52 PM   
Maybe offer HeliX six figures, perhaps?
Maybe offer HeliX six figures, perhaps?

#14
Posted 03/24/2012 12:59 AM   
My theory of nVidia's unwillingness to open up its software is due to it large, multinational organisational heritage, where it has had to compete in a highly competative environment. I think this has forced them to habitually introduce policies to lock down everything in case of idustrial espionage or the like.

Or they're just a bunch of meanies!
My theory of nVidia's unwillingness to open up its software is due to it large, multinational organisational heritage, where it has had to compete in a highly competative environment. I think this has forced them to habitually introduce policies to lock down everything in case of idustrial espionage or the like.



Or they're just a bunch of meanies!

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#15
Posted 03/24/2012 08:20 AM   
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