The performance in Win 8 using 3D Vision was perfect.
Now with Win 8.1 i´ll get drops, laggs, hickups, but not in all games.
Trine, Dark Souls, Witcher 2 are running fine, Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3, Batman Origins/City lagging like Hell.
I´ll did a fresh install of Win 8 and update to 8.1, but it doesn´t help.
Systemdrivers, soundrivers ect are all properly installed.
Devicemanager has no errors.
My Sys:Intel 2600K stock
8GB Corsair
XFI Titanium HD
2x 780gtx TI@ 334.67, no matter which driver i use
The performance in Win 8 using 3D Vision was perfect.
Now with Win 8.1 i´ll get drops, laggs, hickups, but not in all games.
Trine, Dark Souls, Witcher 2 are running fine, Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3, Batman Origins/City lagging like Hell.
I´ll did a fresh install of Win 8 and update to 8.1, but it doesn´t help.
Systemdrivers, soundrivers ect are all properly installed.
Devicemanager has no errors.
My Sys:Intel 2600K stock
8GB Corsair
XFI Titanium HD
2x 780gtx TI@ 334.67, no matter which driver i use
The fix is still Windows 8. Someone did find a workaround that helps a lot of the time though - I can't remember the details, but look around the board long enough and you'll probably find it.
The fix is still Windows 8. Someone did find a workaround that helps a lot of the time though - I can't remember the details, but look around the board long enough and you'll probably find it.
Yeah, Microsoft dropped the ball on Win8.1. It looks to me like they are refocusing upon mobile as the must have, and 8.1 is more focused upon that, which is letting the desktop rust.
Also of note, 8.1 is presently incompatible with 3Dmigoto because of a bug Microsoft introduced to dxgi in 8.1. That doesn't really matter so much, unless you want to play AC3.
Yeah, Microsoft dropped the ball on Win8.1. It looks to me like they are refocusing upon mobile as the must have, and 8.1 is more focused upon that, which is letting the desktop rust.
Also of note, 8.1 is presently incompatible with 3Dmigoto because of a bug Microsoft introduced to dxgi in 8.1. That doesn't really matter so much, unless you want to play AC3.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
I've had many of my friends and family who are not computer savvy who cannot stand WIN 8. No getting around that it is a piece of shit and should not be accepted. Microsoft's arrogance shows no bounds, I've used it and it is a steamy pile of.....well you get the point. Do yourself a favor and go with Win 7
I've had many of my friends and family who are not computer savvy who cannot stand WIN 8. No getting around that it is a piece of shit and should not be accepted. Microsoft's arrogance shows no bounds, I've used it and it is a steamy pile of.....well you get the point. Do yourself a favor and go with Win 7
The thing about Windows 8 is that it's not just another evolution in Windows, and not even just a mere revolution in the Windows interface, but is a dramatic change in the way Microsoft itself conducts its business.
Microsoft have never been good at innovation, but have always thrived on imitation. DOS was a copy of QDOS, and Windows, from the earliest versions all the way to Windows 7, was largely an imitation of Mac OS. Microsoft Office, Xbox, and just about every other successful Microsoft product you wish to name, was based on copying pre-existing competitor products.
But with Apple and Google about to kill the desktop PC as we know it, and Microsoft being (as usual) slow to react, Microsoft have now been forced to try something they've almost never tried before: innovate. Windows 8 is Microsoft's bold attempt at doing someone no one has ever tried before, and which many companies (including Apple) still think is impossible: a one-size fits all operating system that sucessfully covers all consumer and business computing devices.
In other words, Win8 is an experiment, from a company that has a poor record of doing successful experiments. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless I absolutely had to, and I don't even like the Start Menu (didn't like it in Win95 or any version since).
I'm no luddite, and I usually laugh at people who cling to older products for the sake of it, but in this case, I think they're right. Microsoft (finally) got so much right with Win7, but much of that seems to have been corroded with Win8. Plus, it's ugly :p
The thing about Windows 8 is that it's not just another evolution in Windows, and not even just a mere revolution in the Windows interface, but is a dramatic change in the way Microsoft itself conducts its business.
Microsoft have never been good at innovation, but have always thrived on imitation. DOS was a copy of QDOS, and Windows, from the earliest versions all the way to Windows 7, was largely an imitation of Mac OS. Microsoft Office, Xbox, and just about every other successful Microsoft product you wish to name, was based on copying pre-existing competitor products.
But with Apple and Google about to kill the desktop PC as we know it, and Microsoft being (as usual) slow to react, Microsoft have now been forced to try something they've almost never tried before: innovate. Windows 8 is Microsoft's bold attempt at doing someone no one has ever tried before, and which many companies (including Apple) still think is impossible: a one-size fits all operating system that sucessfully covers all consumer and business computing devices.
In other words, Win8 is an experiment, from a company that has a poor record of doing successful experiments. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless I absolutely had to, and I don't even like the Start Menu (didn't like it in Win95 or any version since).
I'm no luddite, and I usually laugh at people who cling to older products for the sake of it, but in this case, I think they're right. Microsoft (finally) got so much right with Win7, but much of that seems to have been corroded with Win8. Plus, it's ugly :p
Yep, it's a giant experiment for them, and one they are botching fairly badly. It's OK to make grand changes like adding a Metro side, but only fools would damage the desktop. Forcing users to run add-ons to get a Start menu is just the absolute height of arrogance and disrespect for their customers.
I ran 8.0 for a couple of months, because I like to keep up on the latest changes. And it's rare for me to care about look that much, I don't really go in for all that Apple style gradients and skeumorphism, and drop shadows, but I don't really hate them either.
I actually dropped Win8 because I just could not stand the fisher-price UI. Everything as square boxes, all buttons, all windows, all menus. Makes me feel like I'm running that cruddy Java Swing UI. Everything fat-finger size so we can be sure that people using a mouse have the largest target possible.
No sense or indication for UI active elements, so I'm never quite sure what I can click/tap and what I cannot. That's not just academic either, using Visual Studio with the same cruddy UI, there was a 'button' in the Git source code tool for doing merges- and for 2 months I thought that it was just a title-bar graphic element.
I use Win8.1 on a borrowed Surface Pro, and if you are using a touch centric device it's not a bad choice. But for desktop, I think the disadvantages are just too much.
Yep, it's a giant experiment for them, and one they are botching fairly badly. It's OK to make grand changes like adding a Metro side, but only fools would damage the desktop. Forcing users to run add-ons to get a Start menu is just the absolute height of arrogance and disrespect for their customers.
I ran 8.0 for a couple of months, because I like to keep up on the latest changes. And it's rare for me to care about look that much, I don't really go in for all that Apple style gradients and skeumorphism, and drop shadows, but I don't really hate them either.
I actually dropped Win8 because I just could not stand the fisher-price UI. Everything as square boxes, all buttons, all windows, all menus. Makes me feel like I'm running that cruddy Java Swing UI. Everything fat-finger size so we can be sure that people using a mouse have the largest target possible.
No sense or indication for UI active elements, so I'm never quite sure what I can click/tap and what I cannot. That's not just academic either, using Visual Studio with the same cruddy UI, there was a 'button' in the Git source code tool for doing merges- and for 2 months I thought that it was just a title-bar graphic element.
I use Win8.1 on a borrowed Surface Pro, and if you are using a touch centric device it's not a bad choice. But for desktop, I think the disadvantages are just too much.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
[quote="bo3b"].....I don't really go in for all that Apple style gradients and skeumorphism, and drop shadows, but I don't really hate them either.
I actually dropped Win8 because I just could not stand the fisher-price UI. Everything as square boxes, all buttons, all windows, all menus. Makes me feel like I'm running that cruddy Java Swing UI. Everything fat-finger size so we can be sure that people using a mouse have the largest target possible. [/quote]That Apple skeumorphism, drop shadows, etc. has gone, at least from iOS, if not Mac OS. iOS7 has dropped all that, and adopted uber-flat bold colours, sharp squares, and so on. It seems significantly inspired by the Windows Metro interface.
In a final, perverted irony, after decades of Microsoft imitating Apple, Apple has turned around and imitated Microsoft....just at the moment when Microsoft have invented one of the fugliest GUIs known to man! The terrorists have won.
bo3b said:.....I don't really go in for all that Apple style gradients and skeumorphism, and drop shadows, but I don't really hate them either.
I actually dropped Win8 because I just could not stand the fisher-price UI. Everything as square boxes, all buttons, all windows, all menus. Makes me feel like I'm running that cruddy Java Swing UI. Everything fat-finger size so we can be sure that people using a mouse have the largest target possible.
That Apple skeumorphism, drop shadows, etc. has gone, at least from iOS, if not Mac OS. iOS7 has dropped all that, and adopted uber-flat bold colours, sharp squares, and so on. It seems significantly inspired by the Windows Metro interface.
In a final, perverted irony, after decades of Microsoft imitating Apple, Apple has turned around and imitated Microsoft....just at the moment when Microsoft have invented one of the fugliest GUIs known to man! The terrorists have won.
I fondly recall the memory of the long line of geeks+nerds lined up at the local Egghead outlet waiting patently for the MSDOS 6.x release.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
"If something works don't fix it".
I fondly recall the memory of the long line of geeks+nerds lined up at the local Egghead outlet waiting patently for the MSDOS 6.x release.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
Many interesting comments. Another point in computing when considering software, where to these companies go with innovation? So much has been done already and although I agree with the "experiment" concept, where does Microsoft go now. They have to create an industry for a new supply of software products. Microsoft (and others) in computing are running into a law of diminishing returns...
Win 8 is a piece of shit irrespective of those that claim all the so called benefits. It is clearly a bold move on MS to move the industry to new opportunities for their existence and unless they bring something that is actually useful. I know many people who've been forced to buy new laptops and desktops with this piece of shit O/S. They all want WIN 7.
Many interesting comments. Another point in computing when considering software, where to these companies go with innovation? So much has been done already and although I agree with the "experiment" concept, where does Microsoft go now. They have to create an industry for a new supply of software products. Microsoft (and others) in computing are running into a law of diminishing returns...
Win 8 is a piece of shit irrespective of those that claim all the so called benefits. It is clearly a bold move on MS to move the industry to new opportunities for their existence and unless they bring something that is actually useful. I know many people who've been forced to buy new laptops and desktops with this piece of shit O/S. They all want WIN 7.
[quote="mbloof"]I fondly recall the memory of the long line of geeks+nerds lined up at the local Egghead outlet waiting patently for the MSDOS 6.x release.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
"If something works don't fix it".[/quote]Hey, if I recall correctly, MSDOS 6 gave us the "undelete" command. As far as I was concerned, that was some crazy black magic, and was worth the price of admission alone :D
Personally, I'm of the belief that Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS that is actually very good. It took them 30 years, but they finally got it [mostly] right. To see them throw that foundation away and start afresh with win8 is a facepalm moment for me.
mbloof said:I fondly recall the memory of the long line of geeks+nerds lined up at the local Egghead outlet waiting patently for the MSDOS 6.x release.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
"If something works don't fix it".
Hey, if I recall correctly, MSDOS 6 gave us the "undelete" command. As far as I was concerned, that was some crazy black magic, and was worth the price of admission alone :D
Personally, I'm of the belief that Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS that is actually very good. It took them 30 years, but they finally got it [mostly] right. To see them throw that foundation away and start afresh with win8 is a facepalm moment for me.
[quote="Volnaiskra"][quote="mbloof"]I fondly recall the memory of the long line of geeks+nerds lined up at the local Egghead outlet waiting patently for the MSDOS 6.x release.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
"If something works don't fix it".[/quote]Hey, if I recall correctly, MSDOS 6 gave us the "undelete" command. As far as I was concerned, that was some crazy black magic, and was worth the price of admission alone :D
Personally, I'm of the belief that Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS that is actually very good. It took them 30 years, but they finally got it [mostly] right. To see them throw that foundation away and start afresh with win8 is a facepalm moment for me.[/quote]
Yes, that's true. I have been nothing but pleased with Win7. Before that, I was quite pleased with XP, which would probably be their second-best product so far. But compared to Win7, XP is a buggy mess.
mbloof said:I fondly recall the memory of the long line of geeks+nerds lined up at the local Egghead outlet waiting patently for the MSDOS 6.x release.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
"If something works don't fix it".
Hey, if I recall correctly, MSDOS 6 gave us the "undelete" command. As far as I was concerned, that was some crazy black magic, and was worth the price of admission alone :D
Personally, I'm of the belief that Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS that is actually very good. It took them 30 years, but they finally got it [mostly] right. To see them throw that foundation away and start afresh with win8 is a facepalm moment for me.
Yes, that's true. I have been nothing but pleased with Win7. Before that, I was quite pleased with XP, which would probably be their second-best product so far. But compared to Win7, XP is a buggy mess.
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Now with Win 8.1 i´ll get drops, laggs, hickups, but not in all games.
Trine, Dark Souls, Witcher 2 are running fine, Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, Max Payne 3, Batman Origins/City lagging like Hell.
I´ll did a fresh install of Win 8 and update to 8.1, but it doesn´t help.
Systemdrivers, soundrivers ect are all properly installed.
Devicemanager has no errors.
My Sys:Intel 2600K stock
8GB Corsair
XFI Titanium HD
2x 780gtx TI@ 334.67, no matter which driver i use
Only solution is to install Windows 8.
Thx
Also of note, 8.1 is presently incompatible with 3Dmigoto because of a bug Microsoft introduced to dxgi in 8.1. That doesn't really matter so much, unless you want to play AC3.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Microsoft have never been good at innovation, but have always thrived on imitation. DOS was a copy of QDOS, and Windows, from the earliest versions all the way to Windows 7, was largely an imitation of Mac OS. Microsoft Office, Xbox, and just about every other successful Microsoft product you wish to name, was based on copying pre-existing competitor products.
But with Apple and Google about to kill the desktop PC as we know it, and Microsoft being (as usual) slow to react, Microsoft have now been forced to try something they've almost never tried before: innovate. Windows 8 is Microsoft's bold attempt at doing someone no one has ever tried before, and which many companies (including Apple) still think is impossible: a one-size fits all operating system that sucessfully covers all consumer and business computing devices.
In other words, Win8 is an experiment, from a company that has a poor record of doing successful experiments. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole unless I absolutely had to, and I don't even like the Start Menu (didn't like it in Win95 or any version since).
I'm no luddite, and I usually laugh at people who cling to older products for the sake of it, but in this case, I think they're right. Microsoft (finally) got so much right with Win7, but much of that seems to have been corroded with Win8. Plus, it's ugly :p
I ran 8.0 for a couple of months, because I like to keep up on the latest changes. And it's rare for me to care about look that much, I don't really go in for all that Apple style gradients and skeumorphism, and drop shadows, but I don't really hate them either.
I actually dropped Win8 because I just could not stand the fisher-price UI. Everything as square boxes, all buttons, all windows, all menus. Makes me feel like I'm running that cruddy Java Swing UI. Everything fat-finger size so we can be sure that people using a mouse have the largest target possible.
No sense or indication for UI active elements, so I'm never quite sure what I can click/tap and what I cannot. That's not just academic either, using Visual Studio with the same cruddy UI, there was a 'button' in the Git source code tool for doing merges- and for 2 months I thought that it was just a title-bar graphic element.
I use Win8.1 on a borrowed Surface Pro, and if you are using a touch centric device it's not a bad choice. But for desktop, I think the disadvantages are just too much.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
In a final, perverted irony, after decades of Microsoft imitating Apple, Apple has turned around and imitated Microsoft....just at the moment when Microsoft have invented one of the fugliest GUIs known to man! The terrorists have won.
A truly comical sight - its not like the new version offered ANYTHING over the prior version other than a small change in the number after the '.' but to these boys&girls they just "had to have it".
"If something works don't fix it".
i7-2600K-4.5Ghz/Corsair H100i/8GB/GTX780SC-SLI/Win7-64/1200W-PSU/Samsung 840-500GB SSD/Coolermaster-Tower/Benq 1080ST @ 100"
Win 8 is a piece of shit irrespective of those that claim all the so called benefits. It is clearly a bold move on MS to move the industry to new opportunities for their existence and unless they bring something that is actually useful. I know many people who've been forced to buy new laptops and desktops with this piece of shit O/S. They all want WIN 7.
Personally, I'm of the belief that Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS that is actually very good. It took them 30 years, but they finally got it [mostly] right. To see them throw that foundation away and start afresh with win8 is a facepalm moment for me.
Yes, that's true. I have been nothing but pleased with Win7. Before that, I was quite pleased with XP, which would probably be their second-best product so far. But compared to Win7, XP is a buggy mess.
|CPU: i7-2700k @ 4.5Ghz
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|RAM: Corsair Vengence 16GB DDR3
|SSDs: Seagate 600 240GB; Crucial M4 128GB
|HDDs: Seagate Barracuda 1TB; Seagate Barracuda 500GB
|PS: OCZ ZX Series 1250watt
|Case: Antec 1200 V3
|Monitors: Asus 3D VG278HE; Asus 3D VG236H; Samsung 3D 51" Plasma;
|GPU:MSI 1080GTX "Duke"
|OS: Windows 10 Pro X64