[quote="necropants"]Thanks for the info!
Apart from the default profile wierdness (screen attached) and having to use Bf4 at this point I think I have got a fix for the problem.
Exposed123 touched on it when saying he starts the game in 2d mode and switches once its loaded.
So I disabled auto start of 3d vision with the following registry change
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D]
"StereoDefaultOn" (set to 0)
Then I turn on 3d once game has fully loaded. with ctrl+T
Looks like this has solved the problem!!! Renders perfectly every time on load. Still have problems with the official profile but this is good enough for me.[/quote]
This is super interesting to see. This is the same effect I saw with WatchDogs, where the most consistent way to get it to load properly was to start with 3D off, then turn it on after the game was running.
This suggests that the problem is driver related.
Apart from the default profile wierdness (screen attached) and having to use Bf4 at this point I think I have got a fix for the problem.
Exposed123 touched on it when saying he starts the game in 2d mode and switches once its loaded.
So I disabled auto start of 3d vision with the following registry change
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Stereo3D]
"StereoDefaultOn" (set to 0)
Then I turn on 3d once game has fully loaded. with ctrl+T
Looks like this has solved the problem!!! Renders perfectly every time on load. Still have problems with the official profile but this is good enough for me.
This is super interesting to see. This is the same effect I saw with WatchDogs, where the most consistent way to get it to load properly was to start with 3D off, then turn it on after the game was running.
This suggests that the problem is driver related.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
[quote="Exposed123"]Sorry Mike, I don't know the explicit details of each operating system and their graphics subsystem, but I've learned this from various articles on the subject, which come up to the same conclusion. Like this one:
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1460&page=14
"Most of you guys might have already expected that, in the case of gaming performance, the three operating systems aren’t worlds apart. Nevertheless it is interesting to see that there are some actual differences. As you can see by the results gathered during our testing, Windows 8.1 is producing the highest frame rates. On second place there is Windows 7 and Windows 10 comes in third. If we were to come up with kind of a forecast, we’d be writing that maybe, at some point in the future Windows 10 could be the fastest operating system from Microsoft for gaming, but just now the crown belongs to Windows 8.1. "
January is only days away :) But all I meant was that Windows 7 is on its way to being phased out, much like Windows XP was. Of course it's not going to happen overnight. [/quote]
Thanks for that link, it's really interesting.
As you probably already noted, I like to dig into the actual data, not just trust the summaries. For this one, I don't really agree with their summary, because several of the games have 5% deficits on Win8.1 at 1440p. The synthetic benchmark has a 10% deficit.
That suggests that there are scenarios where 8.1 is actually slower, and some that are a little bit better, as high as 6% swings. Also variance depending upon resolution is strange, and interesting. I also appreciated that BF4 runs the same now, whereas awhile back it had a clear win at 1080p.
If I take the big picture, that tells me they are the same. You win some, you lose some. If we could get consistent 5% across the board I'd try to switch, but it's just not there.
Average frame rates are OK, but the really interesting ones are the Min frame rates. Still, this article was super interesting, thanks for sharing.
Exposed123 said:Sorry Mike, I don't know the explicit details of each operating system and their graphics subsystem, but I've learned this from various articles on the subject, which come up to the same conclusion. Like this one:
"Most of you guys might have already expected that, in the case of gaming performance, the three operating systems aren’t worlds apart. Nevertheless it is interesting to see that there are some actual differences. As you can see by the results gathered during our testing, Windows 8.1 is producing the highest frame rates. On second place there is Windows 7 and Windows 10 comes in third. If we were to come up with kind of a forecast, we’d be writing that maybe, at some point in the future Windows 10 could be the fastest operating system from Microsoft for gaming, but just now the crown belongs to Windows 8.1. "
January is only days away :) But all I meant was that Windows 7 is on its way to being phased out, much like Windows XP was. Of course it's not going to happen overnight.
Thanks for that link, it's really interesting.
As you probably already noted, I like to dig into the actual data, not just trust the summaries. For this one, I don't really agree with their summary, because several of the games have 5% deficits on Win8.1 at 1440p. The synthetic benchmark has a 10% deficit.
That suggests that there are scenarios where 8.1 is actually slower, and some that are a little bit better, as high as 6% swings. Also variance depending upon resolution is strange, and interesting. I also appreciated that BF4 runs the same now, whereas awhile back it had a clear win at 1080p.
If I take the big picture, that tells me they are the same. You win some, you lose some. If we could get consistent 5% across the board I'd try to switch, but it's just not there.
Average frame rates are OK, but the really interesting ones are the Min frame rates. Still, this article was super interesting, thanks for sharing.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
[quote="bo3b"][quote="Exposed123"]Sorry Mike, I don't know the explicit details of each operating system and their graphics subsystem, but I've learned this from various articles on the subject, which come up to the same conclusion. Like this one:
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1460&page=14
"Most of you guys might have already expected that, in the case of gaming performance, the three operating systems aren’t worlds apart. Nevertheless it is interesting to see that there are some actual differences. As you can see by the results gathered during our testing, Windows 8.1 is producing the highest frame rates. On second place there is Windows 7 and Windows 10 comes in third. If we were to come up with kind of a forecast, we’d be writing that maybe, at some point in the future Windows 10 could be the fastest operating system from Microsoft for gaming, but just now the crown belongs to Windows 8.1. "
January is only days away :) But all I meant was that Windows 7 is on its way to being phased out, much like Windows XP was. Of course it's not going to happen overnight. [/quote]
Thanks for that link, it's really interesting.
As you probably already noted, I like to dig into the actual data, not just trust the summaries. For this one, I don't really agree with their summary, because several of the games have 5% deficits on Win8.1 at 1440p. The synthetic benchmark has a 10% deficit.
That suggests that there are scenarios where 8.1 is actually slower, and some that are a little bit better, as high as 6% swings. Also variance depending upon resolution is strange, and interesting. I also appreciated that BF4 runs the same now, whereas awhile back it had a clear win at 1080p.
If I take the big picture, that tells me they are the same. You win some, you lose some. If we could get consistent 5% across the board I'd try to switch, but it's just not there.
Average frame rates are OK, but the really interesting ones are the Min frame rates. Still, this article was super interesting, thanks for sharing.[/quote]
Thanks for taking a look. Other websites like HardOCP and Tom's have done their own testing, Windows 8.1 is slightly faster (though they really only tested Battlefield 4).
The Battlefield 4 benchmark in this article is a bit misleading because it was single player. In Multiplayer, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by quite a bit.
In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU).
As far as demand on the GPU, I would say 3D gaming (1920x1080x2) is closer to 2100p that 1440p, so those results may be of more interest. Of course, I understand the difficulties wtih 3D support and Windows 8.1. I hope these can be rectified by the time Windows 10 comes around, as that would probably be the time when we start seeing some exclusive DX features not available on Winows 7. It would be a shame 3D gaming (at least 3DVision) "died" with Windows 7.
Exposed123 said:Sorry Mike, I don't know the explicit details of each operating system and their graphics subsystem, but I've learned this from various articles on the subject, which come up to the same conclusion. Like this one:
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1460&page=14
"Most of you guys might have already expected that, in the case of gaming performance, the three operating systems aren’t worlds apart. Nevertheless it is interesting to see that there are some actual differences. As you can see by the results gathered during our testing, Windows 8.1 is producing the highest frame rates. On second place there is Windows 7 and Windows 10 comes in third. If we were to come up with kind of a forecast, we’d be writing that maybe, at some point in the future Windows 10 could be the fastest operating system from Microsoft for gaming, but just now the crown belongs to Windows 8.1. "
January is only days away :) But all I meant was that Windows 7 is on its way to being phased out, much like Windows XP was. Of course it's not going to happen overnight.
Thanks for that link, it's really interesting.
As you probably already noted, I like to dig into the actual data, not just trust the summaries. For this one, I don't really agree with their summary, because several of the games have 5% deficits on Win8.1 at 1440p. The synthetic benchmark has a 10% deficit.
That suggests that there are scenarios where 8.1 is actually slower, and some that are a little bit better, as high as 6% swings. Also variance depending upon resolution is strange, and interesting. I also appreciated that BF4 runs the same now, whereas awhile back it had a clear win at 1080p.
If I take the big picture, that tells me they are the same. You win some, you lose some. If we could get consistent 5% across the board I'd try to switch, but it's just not there.
Average frame rates are OK, but the really interesting ones are the Min frame rates. Still, this article was super interesting, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for taking a look. Other websites like HardOCP and Tom's have done their own testing, Windows 8.1 is slightly faster (though they really only tested Battlefield 4).
The Battlefield 4 benchmark in this article is a bit misleading because it was single player. In Multiplayer, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by quite a bit.
In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU).
As far as demand on the GPU, I would say 3D gaming (1920x1080x2) is closer to 2100p that 1440p, so those results may be of more interest. Of course, I understand the difficulties wtih 3D support and Windows 8.1. I hope these can be rectified by the time Windows 10 comes around, as that would probably be the time when we start seeing some exclusive DX features not available on Winows 7. It would be a shame 3D gaming (at least 3DVision) "died" with Windows 7.
Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV
[quote="helifax"][quote="HaNaNg"][quote="mike_ar69"]
Do you mean in nvidia control panel or in d3dx.ini?[/quote]
i mean in nvidia control panel specificly in the game settings not global settings
[/quote]
I need the urge to say this yet again:
===============
PLEASE READ ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS!!!! There are there for a R.E.A.S.O.N. !!!!
[url=http://helixmod.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/dragon-age-inquisition-3dmigoto-dx11-3d.html]http://helixmod.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/dragon-age-inquisition-3dmigoto-dx11-3d.html[/url]
Don't just copy paste and then come telling us "is not working" and that you spent XXX amount of time trying to make it work...
We spent MORE THAN A MONTH constantly trying to make the wrapper work with it, finding settings that work, fixing the game itself, fixing shaders and testing...
You could at least SPEND 1 more minute and READ the instructions fully!! If those don't apply for you DO SOME TESTING on your own!!!!
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This is not addressed directly to you BUT ANYONE WHO READS THESE POSTS AND WANT TO USE THE FIX !!!![/quote]
You are right. usually i pay attention. i don't know why i miised the "shader cache" action.
i am sorry for that.
you guys are doing an amazing work and sorry again for distracting you.
Don't just copy paste and then come telling us "is not working" and that you spent XXX amount of time trying to make it work...
We spent MORE THAN A MONTH constantly trying to make the wrapper work with it, finding settings that work, fixing the game itself, fixing shaders and testing...
You could at least SPEND 1 more minute and READ the instructions fully!! If those don't apply for you DO SOME TESTING on your own!!!!
==============
This is not addressed directly to you BUT ANYONE WHO READS THESE POSTS AND WANT TO USE THE FIX !!!!
You are right. usually i pay attention. i don't know why i miised the "shader cache" action.
i am sorry for that.
you guys are doing an amazing work and sorry again for distracting you.
It seems to me that you are glossing over the data, not looking at it critically.
For 1080p in 3D, that is x2, but it's much closer to 1440p, not 2100p.
1920*1080*2= 4147200 pixels
2560*1440= 3686400 pixels
3840*2160= 8294400 pixels
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
[color="gray"]Unigine Heaven[/color] - [color="orange"]-10%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
[color="gray"]BF4[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
[color="gray"]WatchDogs[/color] - [color="green"]+2%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Tomb Raider[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Sniper Elite V3[/color] - [color="green"]+1%[/color][color="gray"]/Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Crysis 3[/color] - [color="green"]+1%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Thief[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Grid AutoSport[/color] - [color="orange"]-5%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Sleeping Dogs[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Metro Last Light[/color] - [color="green"]+3%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
[quote="Exposed123"]In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU). [/quote]
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie.
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
Unigine Heaven - -10%
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
BF4 - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
WatchDogs - +2%
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
Tomb Raider - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
Sniper Elite V3 - +1%/Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
Crysis 3 - +1%
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
Thief - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
Grid AutoSport - -5%
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
Sleeping Dogs - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
Metro Last Light - +3%
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
Exposed123 said:In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU).
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
I was on Windows 8.1, 64-bit until last week and now I am back to Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit. I have not really noticed any performance differences on the games I have played - all were within the same few percentages of each other. The main reason I went back is because of the difficulties 8.1 caused to the injectors I like to use on DX11 games - 3DMigoto and SweetFX. Before the switch I was unable to play Dragon Age:Inquisition or use SweetFX on the 64-bit version of the DX11 renderer in World of Warcraft. I do not really regret having to wipe my PC clean and look forward to not having to worry that any future game fixes might not work because of the OS I am using.
I was on Windows 8.1, 64-bit until last week and now I am back to Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit. I have not really noticed any performance differences on the games I have played - all were within the same few percentages of each other. The main reason I went back is because of the difficulties 8.1 caused to the injectors I like to use on DX11 games - 3DMigoto and SweetFX. Before the switch I was unable to play Dragon Age:Inquisition or use SweetFX on the 64-bit version of the DX11 renderer in World of Warcraft. I do not really regret having to wipe my PC clean and look forward to not having to worry that any future game fixes might not work because of the OS I am using.
1080 GTX 8GB SLI | I7-4770K@4.5GHz | 16GB RAM | Win10x64
Asus ROG Swift PG278Q | 3D Vision 2
[quote="bo3b"]It seems to me that you are glossing over the data, not looking at it critically.
For 1080p in 3D, that is x2, but it's much closer to 1440p, not 2100p.
1920*1080*2= 4147200 pixels
2560*1440= 3686400 pixels
3840*2160= 8294400 pixels
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
[color="gray"]Unigine Heaven[/color] - [color="orange"]-10%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
[color="gray"]BF4[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
[color="gray"]WatchDogs[/color] - [color="green"]+2%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Tomb Raider[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Sniper Elite V3[/color] - [color="green"]+1%[/color][color="gray"]/Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Crysis 3[/color] - [color="green"]+1%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Thief[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Grid AutoSport[/color] - [color="orange"]-5%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Sleeping Dogs[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Metro Last Light[/color] - [color="green"]+3%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
[quote="Exposed123"]In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU). [/quote]
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie. [/quote]
I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there.
But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution.
The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed.
You are right about 1080p 3D being closer to 1440p, for some reason I was thinking 1440p was less than 2150 horizontal resolution.
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
Unigine Heaven - -10%
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
BF4 - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
WatchDogs - +2%
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
Tomb Raider - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
Sniper Elite V3 - +1%/Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
Crysis 3 - +1%
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
Thief - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
Grid AutoSport - -5%
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
Sleeping Dogs - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
Metro Last Light - +3%
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
Exposed123 said:In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU).
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie.
I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there.
But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution.
The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed.
You are right about 1080p 3D being closer to 1440p, for some reason I was thinking 1440p was less than 2150 horizontal resolution.
Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV
[quote="Exposed123"][quote="bo3b"]It seems to me that you are glossing over the data, not looking at it critically.
For 1080p in 3D, that is x2, but it's much closer to 1440p, not 2100p.
1920*1080*2= 4147200 pixels
2560*1440= 3686400 pixels
3840*2160= 8294400 pixels
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
[color="gray"]Unigine Heaven[/color] - [color="orange"]-10%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
[color="gray"]BF4[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
[color="gray"]WatchDogs[/color] - [color="green"]+2%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Tomb Raider[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Sniper Elite V3[/color] - [color="green"]+1%[/color][color="gray"]/Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Crysis 3[/color] - [color="green"]+1%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Thief[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Grid AutoSport[/color] - [color="orange"]-5%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Sleeping Dogs[/color] - [color="grey"]Tie[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
[color="gray"]Metro Last Light[/color] - [color="green"]+3%[/color]
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
[quote="Exposed123"]In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU). [/quote]
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie. [/quote]
I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there.
But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution.
The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed.
You are right about 1080p 3D being closer to 1440p, for some reason I was thinking 1440p was less than 2150 horizontal resolution.
[/quote]
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
Unigine Heaven - -10%
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
BF4 - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
WatchDogs - +2%
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
Tomb Raider - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
Sniper Elite V3 - +1%/Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
Crysis 3 - +1%
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
Thief - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
Grid AutoSport - -5%
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
Sleeping Dogs - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
Metro Last Light - +3%
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
Exposed123 said:In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU).
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie.
I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there.
But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution.
The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed.
You are right about 1080p 3D being closer to 1440p, for some reason I was thinking 1440p was less than 2150 horizontal resolution.
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
[quote]
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.[/quote]
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8? (I still suspect the culprit for this is the DRM, since 3DMigoto works with other DX11 games under Windows 8.1 well).
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? In my case, I am "SOL" because my SSD doesn't have enough room for a Win7 partition.
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8? (I still suspect the culprit for this is the DRM, since 3DMigoto works with other DX11 games under Windows 8.1 well).
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? In my case, I am "SOL" because my SSD doesn't have enough room for a Win7 partition.
Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV
I'd like to say one thing about Windows 8.1 and Dragon Age: Inquisition. For people who play just in 2D and still have some performance problems, on a forum (guru3d), the default answer to any stuttering or performance issue is 'install 8.1'. Now I realize 3d vision has many problems with 8.1, but that may not be because of the OS, but the driver and its interaction with the OS. If you look through the guru3d's game forum about this game, whenever someone with some 'stuttering' issues comes up, installing 8.1 has fixed their issues in all but one case. No one bothered to figure out why because frankly, they just wanted to play the game without problems. There has to be something Windows 8.1 does differently and better than Windows 7 for those people. I've been a long time Windows 7 user with my older GTX670, but switched to 8.1 when I purchased the 980 along with a 3d vision monitor and glasses. I realize this prevents me from enjoying Dragon Age: Inquisition in 3d vision mode but I am still able to enjoy 2d lightboosted 90-120fps on 8.1.
Just to be clear, I appreciate this community, especially the 3D vision fixes from the helix blog. It has made my investment of purchasing 3d vision system into a more enjoyable experience. I find it frustrating that nvidia doesn't give too much attention to 3d vision when they keep advertising it. I find some games that are rated 'excellent' which are broken to be inexcusable with the newer drivers. It's too bad because when it works perfectly, it's amazing. Recently purchased Brothers: Tale of Two Sons and it looks amazing with the helix fix with 4x Sparse Grid Super Sampling (which maxes out my 980).
I'd like to say one thing about Windows 8.1 and Dragon Age: Inquisition. For people who play just in 2D and still have some performance problems, on a forum (guru3d), the default answer to any stuttering or performance issue is 'install 8.1'. Now I realize 3d vision has many problems with 8.1, but that may not be because of the OS, but the driver and its interaction with the OS. If you look through the guru3d's game forum about this game, whenever someone with some 'stuttering' issues comes up, installing 8.1 has fixed their issues in all but one case. No one bothered to figure out why because frankly, they just wanted to play the game without problems. There has to be something Windows 8.1 does differently and better than Windows 7 for those people. I've been a long time Windows 7 user with my older GTX670, but switched to 8.1 when I purchased the 980 along with a 3d vision monitor and glasses. I realize this prevents me from enjoying Dragon Age: Inquisition in 3d vision mode but I am still able to enjoy 2d lightboosted 90-120fps on 8.1.
Just to be clear, I appreciate this community, especially the 3D vision fixes from the helix blog. It has made my investment of purchasing 3d vision system into a more enjoyable experience. I find it frustrating that nvidia doesn't give too much attention to 3d vision when they keep advertising it. I find some games that are rated 'excellent' which are broken to be inexcusable with the newer drivers. It's too bad because when it works perfectly, it's amazing. Recently purchased Brothers: Tale of Two Sons and it looks amazing with the helix fix with 4x Sparse Grid Super Sampling (which maxes out my 980).
[quote="Exposed123"]
[quote]
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.[/quote]
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?
[/quote]
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?
[quote="mike_ar69"][quote="Exposed123"]
[quote]
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.[/quote]
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?
[/quote]
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?[/quote]
Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?
Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1
Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV
Hmm... Can we please stop the debate of Win 7 vs Win8 vs whatever? ^_^
This thread is dedicated to "Dragon Age in 3D Vision" and we should keep it this way;))
I don't want to offend anyone with this, so please don't feel offended! If you want to debate which is best between different OS versions by all means make a separate thread but PLEASE let's stick to the game in this thread !
Ok?
Thank you in advance;))
Edit: While I understand the frustration of people not being able to use the fix in Windows 8.1, I want to say that we DIDN'T DO ANYTHING to prevent the wrapper/fix NOT to work on Windows 8/8.1.
Like it was said before: If you want to play the game, it takes 30 minutes to install Windows7 on a different partition + audio+video drivers and play the game, so please do that! (Rather than trying to convince people to "clap the fingers" and make the wrapper work with something that is broken).
Hmm... Can we please stop the debate of Win 7 vs Win8 vs whatever? ^_^
This thread is dedicated to "Dragon Age in 3D Vision" and we should keep it this way;))
I don't want to offend anyone with this, so please don't feel offended! If you want to debate which is best between different OS versions by all means make a separate thread but PLEASE let's stick to the game in this thread !
Ok?
Thank you in advance;))
Edit: While I understand the frustration of people not being able to use the fix in Windows 8.1, I want to say that we DIDN'T DO ANYTHING to prevent the wrapper/fix NOT to work on Windows 8/8.1.
Like it was said before: If you want to play the game, it takes 30 minutes to install Windows7 on a different partition + audio+video drivers and play the game, so please do that! (Rather than trying to convince people to "clap the fingers" and make the wrapper work with something that is broken).
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
[quote="Exposed123"][quote="mike_ar69"][quote="Exposed123"]
[quote]
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.[/quote]
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?
[/quote]
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?[/quote]
Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1
[/quote]
Of course it's not because you're on Win 8.1, it was this comment right here:
"If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?"
You were suggesting that you had been misled, when our own release notes say we had not developed it or tested it on Win 8.1. That's where I draw my line. And there is nothing elitist about it - we are not supporting Win 8.1 directly because we can't do everything. What do you think we do all day, sit here fixing games for ungrateful people like you? We have families and full time jobs. Saying "will not even look at it" suggests a degree of entitlement from you that irritates me severely. 3DMigoto is open source - look at Win 8.1 issues yourself, make DAI work yourself, solve the stability problems yourself.
I regret using the F-word actually, it was a bit over the top, but just take a quick look at how that last sentence of yours comes across.
I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?
Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1
Of course it's not because you're on Win 8.1, it was this comment right here:
"If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?"
You were suggesting that you had been misled, when our own release notes say we had not developed it or tested it on Win 8.1. That's where I draw my line. And there is nothing elitist about it - we are not supporting Win 8.1 directly because we can't do everything. What do you think we do all day, sit here fixing games for ungrateful people like you? We have families and full time jobs. Saying "will not even look at it" suggests a degree of entitlement from you that irritates me severely. 3DMigoto is open source - look at Win 8.1 issues yourself, make DAI work yourself, solve the stability problems yourself.
I regret using the F-word actually, it was a bit over the top, but just take a quick look at how that last sentence of yours comes across.
This is super interesting to see. This is the same effect I saw with WatchDogs, where the most consistent way to get it to load properly was to start with 3D off, then turn it on after the game was running.
This suggests that the problem is driver related.
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Thanks for that link, it's really interesting.
As you probably already noted, I like to dig into the actual data, not just trust the summaries. For this one, I don't really agree with their summary, because several of the games have 5% deficits on Win8.1 at 1440p. The synthetic benchmark has a 10% deficit.
That suggests that there are scenarios where 8.1 is actually slower, and some that are a little bit better, as high as 6% swings. Also variance depending upon resolution is strange, and interesting. I also appreciated that BF4 runs the same now, whereas awhile back it had a clear win at 1080p.
If I take the big picture, that tells me they are the same. You win some, you lose some. If we could get consistent 5% across the board I'd try to switch, but it's just not there.
Average frame rates are OK, but the really interesting ones are the Min frame rates. Still, this article was super interesting, thanks for sharing.
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Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Thanks for taking a look. Other websites like HardOCP and Tom's have done their own testing, Windows 8.1 is slightly faster (though they really only tested Battlefield 4).
The Battlefield 4 benchmark in this article is a bit misleading because it was single player. In Multiplayer, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by quite a bit.
In this suite, only GRID is where Windows 8.1 falls behind Windows 7, but not by much. For the other games, Windows 8.1 is ahead anywhere from 1 to 6% in all resolutions (more wider in the higher resolutions where there is more demand on the GPU).
As far as demand on the GPU, I would say 3D gaming (1920x1080x2) is closer to 2100p that 1440p, so those results may be of more interest. Of course, I understand the difficulties wtih 3D support and Windows 8.1. I hope these can be rectified by the time Windows 10 comes around, as that would probably be the time when we start seeing some exclusive DX features not available on Winows 7. It would be a shame 3D gaming (at least 3DVision) "died" with Windows 7.
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You are right. usually i pay attention. i don't know why i miised the "shader cache" action.
i am sorry for that.
you guys are doing an amazing work and sorry again for distracting you.
For 1080p in 3D, that is x2, but it's much closer to 1440p, not 2100p.
1920*1080*2= 4147200 pixels
2560*1440= 3686400 pixels
3840*2160= 8294400 pixels
2100p is nearly 2x the pixels of 1080p in 3D, so I don't understand what you are saying.
Since we disagree, let's go through every data point. I'm ignoring Win10 and 2100p as uninteresting cases for our comparison of 3D gaming at this moment. I also don't have a good sense for their margin of error, so I'm arbitrarily ignoring 1% differences as uninteresting/ties.
Unigine Heaven - -10%
1080p
Windows 8.1 1'648 65.2 97.51 %
Windows 7 1'690 66.7 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 1'012 40.1 90.60 %
Windows 7 1'117 41.2 100.00 %
BF4 - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 88.70 99.95 %
Windows 7 88.74 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 57.42 99.77 %
Windows 7 57.55 100.00 %
WatchDogs - +2%
1080p
Windows 8.1 59.20 102.09 %
Windows 7 57.99 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 38.03 102.01 %
Windows 7 37.28 100.00 %
Tomb Raider - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.00 100.56 %
Windows 7 53.70 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 33.50 100.90 %
Windows 7 33.20 100.00 %
Sniper Elite V3 - +1%/Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 54.88 100.46 %
Windows 7 54.63 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 31.95 101.04 %
Windows 7 31.62 100.00 %
Crysis 3 - +1%
1080p
Windows 8.1 38.20 102.63 %
Windows 7 37.22 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 24.54 101.20 %
Windows 7 24.25 100.00 %
Thief - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 82.7 100.24 %
Windows 7 82.5 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 56.7 100.35 %
Windows 7 56.5 100.00 %
Grid AutoSport - -5%
1080p
Windows 8.1 111.52 95.29 %
Windows 7 117.03 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 88.75 95.54 %
Windows 7 92.89 100.00 %
Sleeping Dogs - Tie
1080p
Windows 8.1 84.3 100.23 %
Windows 7 84.1 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 50.2 100.20 %
Windows 7 50.1 100.00 %
Metro Last Light - +3%
1080p
Windows 8.1 57.88 102.03 %
Windows 7 56.73 100.00 %
1440p
Windows 8.1 41.22 103.38 %
Windows 7 39.87 100.00 %
Based on those results, I fail to see how you can make this assertion.
To my eye, that's a straight up tie.
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I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there.
But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution.
The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed.
You are right about 1080p 3D being closer to 1440p, for some reason I was thinking 1440p was less than 2150 horizontal resolution.
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I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.
Rig: Intel i7-8700K @4.7GHz, 16Gb Ram, SSD, GTX 1080Ti, Win10x64, Asus VG278
That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.
I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8? (I still suspect the culprit for this is the DRM, since 3DMigoto works with other DX11 games under Windows 8.1 well).
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? In my case, I am "SOL" because my SSD doesn't have enough room for a Win7 partition.
Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV
Just to be clear, I appreciate this community, especially the 3D vision fixes from the helix blog. It has made my investment of purchasing 3d vision system into a more enjoyable experience. I find it frustrating that nvidia doesn't give too much attention to 3d vision when they keep advertising it. I find some games that are rated 'excellent' which are broken to be inexcusable with the newer drivers. It's too bad because when it works perfectly, it's amazing. Recently purchased Brothers: Tale of Two Sons and it looks amazing with the helix fix with 4x Sparse Grid Super Sampling (which maxes out my 980).
Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?
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Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1
Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV
This thread is dedicated to "Dragon Age in 3D Vision" and we should keep it this way;))
I don't want to offend anyone with this, so please don't feel offended! If you want to debate which is best between different OS versions by all means make a separate thread but PLEASE let's stick to the game in this thread !
Ok?
Thank you in advance;))
Edit: While I understand the frustration of people not being able to use the fix in Windows 8.1, I want to say that we DIDN'T DO ANYTHING to prevent the wrapper/fix NOT to work on Windows 8/8.1.
Like it was said before: If you want to play the game, it takes 30 minutes to install Windows7 on a different partition + audio+video drivers and play the game, so please do that! (Rather than trying to convince people to "clap the fingers" and make the wrapper work with something that is broken).
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3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
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- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com
(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)
Of course it's not because you're on Win 8.1, it was this comment right here:
"If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?"
You were suggesting that you had been misled, when our own release notes say we had not developed it or tested it on Win 8.1. That's where I draw my line. And there is nothing elitist about it - we are not supporting Win 8.1 directly because we can't do everything. What do you think we do all day, sit here fixing games for ungrateful people like you? We have families and full time jobs. Saying "will not even look at it" suggests a degree of entitlement from you that irritates me severely. 3DMigoto is open source - look at Win 8.1 issues yourself, make DAI work yourself, solve the stability problems yourself.
I regret using the F-word actually, it was a bit over the top, but just take a quick look at how that last sentence of yours comes across.
Rig: Intel i7-8700K @4.7GHz, 16Gb Ram, SSD, GTX 1080Ti, Win10x64, Asus VG278