[quote="Dugom"]Movies have very very very very low separations, it wont be a real problem, you'll see the crosstalk on subtitles and low detail scene.
But for gaming, it will be bad. You can test my 3D games videos from YT, they are set with 95% sparation for 55". Anyway, you always can play with poor separation (low 3D) to avoid the problem. Bigger the screen, less separation are needed.
I've tested the LG 55EF9500 (EF950V) OLED 4K 3D, it seems OK in 3D. I realy recommend to set your TV with my rabbit.[/quote]
Thanks again for the reply. Yes, I understand the differences with seperation and the reason why the movies look ok.
I posted the comments about movies looking ok just to put 3d performance into perspective, as there are still a lot of TVs that show significant crosstalk in a lot of different situations.
I'll play around with pictures settings using your bunny test.
My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.
Dugom said:Movies have very very very very low separations, it wont be a real problem, you'll see the crosstalk on subtitles and low detail scene.
But for gaming, it will be bad. You can test my 3D games videos from YT, they are set with 95% sparation for 55". Anyway, you always can play with poor separation (low 3D) to avoid the problem. Bigger the screen, less separation are needed.
I've tested the LG 55EF9500 (EF950V) OLED 4K 3D, it seems OK in 3D. I realy recommend to set your TV with my rabbit.
Thanks again for the reply. Yes, I understand the differences with seperation and the reason why the movies look ok.
I posted the comments about movies looking ok just to put 3d performance into perspective, as there are still a lot of TVs that show significant crosstalk in a lot of different situations.
I'll play around with pictures settings using your bunny test.
My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.
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Have you tried following the manufacturers suggestions specific to your display. This might require that you rename the HDMI input to "game" or "pc" or that you use a specific input. You might even have to use/make a custom profile and manually turn off post processing features.
Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.
I know that on my passive displays, I could be playing and ignoring the cross talk just fine until I tilted my head. As I reached the rejection limit of the glasses, it all stuck out like a sore thumb. Then I couldn't help but notice it. But the cross talk on these has a lot to due with the pixel persistence inherent in LCD displays.
I'm very interested in your findings because a 4K OLED 3D HDTV is on my wish list, just waiting on better prices and more video content.
Have you tried following the manufacturers suggestions specific to your display. This might require that you rename the HDMI input to "game" or "pc" or that you use a specific input. You might even have to use/make a custom profile and manually turn off post processing features.
Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.
I know that on my passive displays, I could be playing and ignoring the cross talk just fine until I tilted my head. As I reached the rejection limit of the glasses, it all stuck out like a sore thumb. Then I couldn't help but notice it. But the cross talk on these has a lot to due with the pixel persistence inherent in LCD displays.
I'm very interested in your findings because a 4K OLED 3D HDTV is on my wish list, just waiting on better prices and more video content.
[quote="rustyk"]My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.[/quote]You need circular glasses with 0°/0° (like RealD) orientation, not 135°/135° (LG / Zalman monitors). Linear glasses won't work either (IMax and theme park). Your glasses says cinema 3D or 3D monitor?
[quote="D-Man11"]Have you tried following the manufacturers suggestions specific to your display. This might require that you rename the HDMI input to "game" or "pc" or that you use a specific input. You might even have to use/make a custom profile and manually turn off post processing features.
Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.[/quote]I don't get it:
This is a polarised TV, there is no electronic or hardware used for 3D, only one interlaced plastic on the TV and two differents on the glasses.
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rustyk said:My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.
You need circular glasses with 0°/0° (like RealD) orientation, not 135°/135° (LG / Zalman monitors). Linear glasses won't work either (IMax and theme park). Your glasses says cinema 3D or 3D monitor?
D-Man11 said:Have you tried following the manufacturers suggestions specific to your display. This might require that you rename the HDMI input to "game" or "pc" or that you use a specific input. You might even have to use/make a custom profile and manually turn off post processing features.
Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.
I don't get it:
This is a polarised TV, there is no electronic or hardware used for 3D, only one interlaced plastic on the TV and two differents on the glasses.
[quote="Dugom"]I don't get it[/quote]
You don't get what?
That for zero/less cross talk, you need not only the rejection from the filters but you also need that the frames displayed do not have any anomalies/artifacts.
That for zero/less cross talk, you need not only the rejection from the filters but you also need that the frames displayed do not have any anomalies/artifacts.
[quote="Dugom"][quote="rustyk"]My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.[/quote]You need circular glasses with 0°/0° (like RealD) orientation, not 135°/135° (LG / Zalman monitors). Linear glasses won't work either (IMax and theme park). Your glasses says cinema 3D or 3D monitor?
[quote="D-Man11"]Have you tried following the manufacturers suggestions specific to your display. This might require that you rename the HDMI input to "game" or "pc" or that you use a specific input. You might even have to use/make a custom profile and manually turn off post processing features.
Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.[/quote]I don't get it:
This is a polarised TV, there is no electronic or hardware used for 3D, only one interlaced plastic on the TV and two differents on the glasses.
.[/quote]
I'm using both the LG supplied glasses and I've tried RealD cinema glasses as well. Both are on a par, no noticeable difference at all.
I think we're in danger of making this overly complicated. Reviews of these displays and comments from people on forums state there is no crosstalk on these sets. Reading through the Avforums and avsforums, it seems there are 3 groups of people.
1. People saying there is no crosstalk.
2. People that have tried the rabbit test or any test designed specifically to expose crosstalk and ARE seeing evidence of that.
3. There are also people that are reporting crosstalk in specific regions of the screen, ie, top and/or bottom, or corner.
I've ruled out vertical alignment issues and I'm simply trying to see if crosstalk is normal or not.
I know I could try various input modes and check firmware versions but with respect I don't see the relevance as in this instance the test is a simple one. Also bear in mind that I'm not talking about PC input, I'm just talking about the basic ability of the TV to display a native 3d image, from USB/Broadcast/Youtube etc.
I suspect the answer is that crosstalk is present on these sets and those that say otherwise haven't run the specific tests, such as Dugom's rabbit video.
Group 1 just haven't looked for it hard enough.
Group 2 are seeing normal behaviour.
Group 3 have badly aligned polarisation filters.
rustyk said:My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.
You need circular glasses with 0°/0° (like RealD) orientation, not 135°/135° (LG / Zalman monitors). Linear glasses won't work either (IMax and theme park). Your glasses says cinema 3D or 3D monitor?
D-Man11 said:Have you tried following the manufacturers suggestions specific to your display. This might require that you rename the HDMI input to "game" or "pc" or that you use a specific input. You might even have to use/make a custom profile and manually turn off post processing features.
Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.
I don't get it:
This is a polarised TV, there is no electronic or hardware used for 3D, only one interlaced plastic on the TV and two differents on the glasses.
.
I'm using both the LG supplied glasses and I've tried RealD cinema glasses as well. Both are on a par, no noticeable difference at all.
I think we're in danger of making this overly complicated. Reviews of these displays and comments from people on forums state there is no crosstalk on these sets. Reading through the Avforums and avsforums, it seems there are 3 groups of people.
1. People saying there is no crosstalk.
2. People that have tried the rabbit test or any test designed specifically to expose crosstalk and ARE seeing evidence of that.
3. There are also people that are reporting crosstalk in specific regions of the screen, ie, top and/or bottom, or corner.
I've ruled out vertical alignment issues and I'm simply trying to see if crosstalk is normal or not.
I know I could try various input modes and check firmware versions but with respect I don't see the relevance as in this instance the test is a simple one. Also bear in mind that I'm not talking about PC input, I'm just talking about the basic ability of the TV to display a native 3d image, from USB/Broadcast/Youtube etc.
I suspect the answer is that crosstalk is present on these sets and those that say otherwise haven't run the specific tests, such as Dugom's rabbit video.
Group 1 just haven't looked for it hard enough.
Group 2 are seeing normal behaviour.
Group 3 have badly aligned polarisation filters.
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@rustyk
I have an LG model also (not from the new line) and i can tell you that there is no crosstalk or is minimum (i also test others LG 3DTV - old and new line). I just play the Rabbit test (nice test btw!!!) and barely see the rabit. And in games with high convergence i don't have crosstalk and ghosting.
BUT, there is an important thing....if you install the 3DTV too low regarding your eyes level (height) you will see a LOT of crosstalk and ghosting.
You eyes level when you are playing or watching a movie need to be between the Middle of the screen and the bottom of the screen to reduce at max the crosstalk and ghosting. So you need to up or down your 3DTV. Check this!
@rustyk
I have an LG model also (not from the new line) and i can tell you that there is no crosstalk or is minimum (i also test others LG 3DTV - old and new line). I just play the Rabbit test (nice test btw!!!) and barely see the rabit. And in games with high convergence i don't have crosstalk and ghosting.
BUT, there is an important thing....if you install the 3DTV too low regarding your eyes level (height) you will see a LOT of crosstalk and ghosting.
You eyes level when you are playing or watching a movie need to be between the Middle of the screen and the bottom of the screen to reduce at max the crosstalk and ghosting. So you need to up or down your 3DTV. Check this!
@DHR thanks for the feedback.
I've tried viewing the screen from all angles, horizonal and vertical. The crosstalk is always there.
It's not actually that bad, I still really like the TV. I'm hoping someone on AVForums will reply but no-one has yet. They're all too busy worrying about HDMI boards and HDR!
@Dugom how do your results with your EF950V compare to mine?
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I've tried viewing the screen from all angles, horizonal and vertical. The crosstalk is always there.
It's not actually that bad, I still really like the TV. I'm hoping someone on AVForums will reply but no-one has yet. They're all too busy worrying about HDMI boards and HDR!
@Dugom how do your results with your EF950V compare to mine?
Thanks again for the reply. Yes, I understand the differences with seperation and the reason why the movies look ok.
I posted the comments about movies looking ok just to put 3d performance into perspective, as there are still a lot of TVs that show significant crosstalk in a lot of different situations.
I'll play around with pictures settings using your bunny test.
My key reason for posting was to try and get feedback from other users to see how much ghosting they see.
There are still a lot of people posting on AVforums saying they see no crosstalk at all, but I find that hard to believe.
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Also compare your firmware version to those that say that they are not seeing any cross talk.
I know that on my passive displays, I could be playing and ignoring the cross talk just fine until I tilted my head. As I reached the rejection limit of the glasses, it all stuck out like a sore thumb. Then I couldn't help but notice it. But the cross talk on these has a lot to due with the pixel persistence inherent in LCD displays.
I'm very interested in your findings because a 4K OLED 3D HDTV is on my wish list, just waiting on better prices and more video content.
I don't get it:
This is a polarised TV, there is no electronic or hardware used for 3D, only one interlaced plastic on the TV and two differents on the glasses.
.
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You don't get what?
That for zero/less cross talk, you need not only the rejection from the filters but you also need that the frames displayed do not have any anomalies/artifacts.
I'm using both the LG supplied glasses and I've tried RealD cinema glasses as well. Both are on a par, no noticeable difference at all.
I think we're in danger of making this overly complicated. Reviews of these displays and comments from people on forums state there is no crosstalk on these sets. Reading through the Avforums and avsforums, it seems there are 3 groups of people.
1. People saying there is no crosstalk.
2. People that have tried the rabbit test or any test designed specifically to expose crosstalk and ARE seeing evidence of that.
3. There are also people that are reporting crosstalk in specific regions of the screen, ie, top and/or bottom, or corner.
I've ruled out vertical alignment issues and I'm simply trying to see if crosstalk is normal or not.
I know I could try various input modes and check firmware versions but with respect I don't see the relevance as in this instance the test is a simple one. Also bear in mind that I'm not talking about PC input, I'm just talking about the basic ability of the TV to display a native 3d image, from USB/Broadcast/Youtube etc.
I suspect the answer is that crosstalk is present on these sets and those that say otherwise haven't run the specific tests, such as Dugom's rabbit video.
Group 1 just haven't looked for it hard enough.
Group 2 are seeing normal behaviour.
Group 3 have badly aligned polarisation filters.
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I have an LG model also (not from the new line) and i can tell you that there is no crosstalk or is minimum (i also test others LG 3DTV - old and new line). I just play the Rabbit test (nice test btw!!!) and barely see the rabit. And in games with high convergence i don't have crosstalk and ghosting.
BUT, there is an important thing....if you install the 3DTV too low regarding your eyes level (height) you will see a LOT of crosstalk and ghosting.
You eyes level when you are playing or watching a movie need to be between the Middle of the screen and the bottom of the screen to reduce at max the crosstalk and ghosting. So you need to up or down your 3DTV. Check this!
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I've tried viewing the screen from all angles, horizonal and vertical. The crosstalk is always there.
It's not actually that bad, I still really like the TV. I'm hoping someone on AVForums will reply but no-one has yet. They're all too busy worrying about HDMI boards and HDR!
@Dugom how do your results with your EF950V compare to mine?
LG EG960V owners and discussion thread
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