new WHQL 3D Vision driver arrived... or has it?
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i can choose between Dx9 and 10 too. The game works in dx10 by default in my case.
i can choose between Dx9 and 10 too. The game works in dx10 by default in my case.
I also could do that with drivers 1.13, not anymore since I'm using 1.17. Weird hummmmmmm
Anyway any advantage using DX10 in this game???
I also could do that with drivers 1.13, not anymore since I'm using 1.17. Weird hummmmmmm

Anyway any advantage using DX10 in this game???

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#17
Posted 11/26/2009 09:05 PM   
Like Noalias my display is not detected. With previous driver versions (up to the 1.15 CD) I could simply select the generic CRT option and everything worked fine. With 1.16 or 1.17 this option isn't available and the setup wizard won't let me select anything but "3D Vision Discover Glasses" i.e. anaglyph. Do nVidia even bother testing drivers anymore before releasing them? For a long time I've suspected that the problems with the 3D Vision team's feeble output were a result of a "lions led by donkeys" type of situation. I'm now beginning to fear that "donkeys led by donkeys" might be a better description. If you have a generic CRT, DLP TV or DLP projector then my advice is don't touch these drivers with a ten foot pole.
Cheers,
DD
Like Noalias my display is not detected. With previous driver versions (up to the 1.15 CD) I could simply select the generic CRT option and everything worked fine. With 1.16 or 1.17 this option isn't available and the setup wizard won't let me select anything but "3D Vision Discover Glasses" i.e. anaglyph. Do nVidia even bother testing drivers anymore before releasing them? For a long time I've suspected that the problems with the 3D Vision team's feeble output were a result of a "lions led by donkeys" type of situation. I'm now beginning to fear that "donkeys led by donkeys" might be a better description. If you have a generic CRT, DLP TV or DLP projector then my advice is don't touch these drivers with a ten foot pole.

Cheers,

DD

#18
Posted 11/26/2009 09:24 PM   
[quote name='DickDastardly' post='956148' date='Nov 26 2009, 10:24 PM']Like Noalias my display is not detected. With previous driver versions (up to the 1.15 CD) I could simply select the generic CRT option and everything worked fine. With 1.16 or 1.17 this option isn't available and the setup wizard won't let me select anything but "3D Vision Discover Glasses" i.e. anaglyph. Do nVidia even bother testing drivers anymore before releasing them? For a long time I've suspected that the problems with the 3D Vision team's feeble output were a result of a "lions led by donkeys" type of situation. I'm now beginning to fear that "donkeys led by donkeys" might be a better description. If you have a generic CRT, DLP TV or DLP projector then my advice is don't touch these drivers with a ten foot pole.
Cheers,
DD[/quote]


im guessing the same is with DLP users using samsung

as my drivers havent worked since 1.5 too ( tried 1.6 and 1.7 with corresponding drivers)
[quote name='DickDastardly' post='956148' date='Nov 26 2009, 10:24 PM']Like Noalias my display is not detected. With previous driver versions (up to the 1.15 CD) I could simply select the generic CRT option and everything worked fine. With 1.16 or 1.17 this option isn't available and the setup wizard won't let me select anything but "3D Vision Discover Glasses" i.e. anaglyph. Do nVidia even bother testing drivers anymore before releasing them? For a long time I've suspected that the problems with the 3D Vision team's feeble output were a result of a "lions led by donkeys" type of situation. I'm now beginning to fear that "donkeys led by donkeys" might be a better description. If you have a generic CRT, DLP TV or DLP projector then my advice is don't touch these drivers with a ten foot pole.

Cheers,

DD





im guessing the same is with DLP users using samsung



as my drivers havent worked since 1.5 too ( tried 1.6 and 1.7 with corresponding drivers)

intel i5 2500k @ 4.6 30C Stable

EVGA gtx 470 SLI

windows vista 64 bit

8 gig Corsair Vengeance RAM

#19
Posted 11/27/2009 12:33 AM   
Avatar has worked fine for me......fine in the fact that it does not crash (1.3 drivers cause i cant seem to figure out how to get the new ones.......i know im a feeb). I get the same framerate issues as others have mentioned. One time i play and its choppy/playable and without changing anything (that i know of) its smooth and very very playable. Compaired to Crysis (which is close to the same "lushness") this game plays fantastic on my pc, even when its choppy so if there is a chance to make it better i will jump in and update my driver to 1.17 if i can too. Worse comes to worse i will roll back the driver.
Avatar has worked fine for me......fine in the fact that it does not crash (1.3 drivers cause i cant seem to figure out how to get the new ones.......i know im a feeb). I get the same framerate issues as others have mentioned. One time i play and its choppy/playable and without changing anything (that i know of) its smooth and very very playable. Compaired to Crysis (which is close to the same "lushness") this game plays fantastic on my pc, even when its choppy so if there is a chance to make it better i will jump in and update my driver to 1.17 if i can too. Worse comes to worse i will roll back the driver.
#20
Posted 11/27/2009 12:58 AM   
[quote name='cravinmild' post='956235' date='Nov 26 2009, 04:58 PM']Avatar has worked fine for me......fine in the fact that it does not crash (1.3 drivers cause i cant seem to figure out how to get the new ones.......i know im a feeb). I get the same framerate issues as others have mentioned. One time i play and its choppy/playable and without changing anything (that i know of) its smooth and very very playable. Compaired to Crysis (which is close to the same "lushness") this game plays fantastic on my pc, even when its choppy so if there is a chance to make it better i will jump in and update my driver to 1.17 if i can too. Worse comes to worse i will roll back the driver.[/quote]

Ok, here we go. I downloaded the new drivers and updated to newest ones (11/26/09 release) with NO PROBLEMS. I was required to do my first time set up with 3-d vision again, everything went well. My nvidia control panel was set not to start in 3d. I started Avatar and straight to display settings and changed to dx 10. Avatar will only start in windowed mode while in dx10 no matter what i do to change this. I changed back to dx 9 and restarted the game. This got the game to run full screen again. I Left everything defalt; low to fire, phisics and trees I think, the rest were between high and ultra high with shadows at med. I started the game without 3d enabled (also not forced in the nividia control panel). The game started very smooth in 2d and almost no studder changing to 3d during the opening cut-scene. Once on the ground everything was much better, so much smoother. I changed to a X-box wireless controller while i walked and ALL stuttering ended........smooth as butter-it would seem the game pad allows the game to run even smoother (check this for yourselfs and tell me im wrong). I only played till my first fight with the jungle cat-things as i wanted to check out what happens with multiple creatures on the screen at once. I re-ran the game with highest settings possable- all high or ultra high. This produced the same results as befor updating my drivers and running at far lower settings which is to say super choppy/playable. I re-started the game at all high settings which produced a very smooth game. This driver update seems to have helped me greatly. Everything Avatar related for me is way way way better. It even says the game is supported and excelent (did not say this for me before). I can say GOOD JOB NVIDIA, this works very well for me.
[quote name='cravinmild' post='956235' date='Nov 26 2009, 04:58 PM']Avatar has worked fine for me......fine in the fact that it does not crash (1.3 drivers cause i cant seem to figure out how to get the new ones.......i know im a feeb). I get the same framerate issues as others have mentioned. One time i play and its choppy/playable and without changing anything (that i know of) its smooth and very very playable. Compaired to Crysis (which is close to the same "lushness") this game plays fantastic on my pc, even when its choppy so if there is a chance to make it better i will jump in and update my driver to 1.17 if i can too. Worse comes to worse i will roll back the driver.



Ok, here we go. I downloaded the new drivers and updated to newest ones (11/26/09 release) with NO PROBLEMS. I was required to do my first time set up with 3-d vision again, everything went well. My nvidia control panel was set not to start in 3d. I started Avatar and straight to display settings and changed to dx 10. Avatar will only start in windowed mode while in dx10 no matter what i do to change this. I changed back to dx 9 and restarted the game. This got the game to run full screen again. I Left everything defalt; low to fire, phisics and trees I think, the rest were between high and ultra high with shadows at med. I started the game without 3d enabled (also not forced in the nividia control panel). The game started very smooth in 2d and almost no studder changing to 3d during the opening cut-scene. Once on the ground everything was much better, so much smoother. I changed to a X-box wireless controller while i walked and ALL stuttering ended........smooth as butter-it would seem the game pad allows the game to run even smoother (check this for yourselfs and tell me im wrong). I only played till my first fight with the jungle cat-things as i wanted to check out what happens with multiple creatures on the screen at once. I re-ran the game with highest settings possable- all high or ultra high. This produced the same results as befor updating my drivers and running at far lower settings which is to say super choppy/playable. I re-started the game at all high settings which produced a very smooth game. This driver update seems to have helped me greatly. Everything Avatar related for me is way way way better. It even says the game is supported and excelent (did not say this for me before). I can say GOOD JOB NVIDIA, this works very well for me.
#21
Posted 11/27/2009 01:59 AM   
I'm glad you got it run well. Could you post your 3D monitor brand/model pls?
Also to all the guys who install the new driver could you guys post your hardwares or monitor brand/model pls? You see, I'm very reluctant to upgrade to 1.17CD in fear of it not detecting my Sammy DLP TV just like the 1.16CD . It's a big hassle to uninstall Nvidia ntune system performance, then uninstall driver/S3D then reinstall just to see your monitor is no longer detected then again uninstall/reinstall the old driver and ntune tool and resetting up gpu/fan profiles.

On a side rant that's not particular to just Nvidia alone but to any GPU driver update: the whole procedure is just ridiculously boring and time consuming for nothing if it didn't work. Sometime I wonder why can't devs come up with some incremental code patching and undo mechanisms so that user has to just click one button to install and another to undo the latest install for frequent update things like graphics card drivers.


[quote name='cravinmild' post='956250' date='Nov 26 2009, 05:59 PM']Ok, here we go. I downloaded the new drivers and updated to newest ones (11/26/09 release) with NO PROBLEMS.
....[/quote]
I'm glad you got it run well. Could you post your 3D monitor brand/model pls?

Also to all the guys who install the new driver could you guys post your hardwares or monitor brand/model pls? You see, I'm very reluctant to upgrade to 1.17CD in fear of it not detecting my Sammy DLP TV just like the 1.16CD . It's a big hassle to uninstall Nvidia ntune system performance, then uninstall driver/S3D then reinstall just to see your monitor is no longer detected then again uninstall/reinstall the old driver and ntune tool and resetting up gpu/fan profiles.



On a side rant that's not particular to just Nvidia alone but to any GPU driver update: the whole procedure is just ridiculously boring and time consuming for nothing if it didn't work. Sometime I wonder why can't devs come up with some incremental code patching and undo mechanisms so that user has to just click one button to install and another to undo the latest install for frequent update things like graphics card drivers.





[quote name='cravinmild' post='956250' date='Nov 26 2009, 05:59 PM']Ok, here we go. I downloaded the new drivers and updated to newest ones (11/26/09 release) with NO PROBLEMS.

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Xeon X5675 hex cores @4.4 GHz, GTX 1070, win10 pro
i7 7700k 5GHz, RTX 2080, win10 pro
Benq 2720Z, w1070, Oculus Rift cv1, Samsung Odyssey+

#22
Posted 11/27/2009 03:01 AM   
[quote name='distant' post='956265' date='Nov 26 2009, 07:01 PM']I'm glad you got it run well. Could you post your 3D monitor brand/model pls?
Also to all the guys who install the new driver could you guys post your hardwares or monitor brand/model pls? You see, I'm very reluctant to upgrade to 1.17CD in fear of it not detecting my Sammy DLP TV just like the 1.16CD . It's a big hassle to uninstall Nvidia ntune system performance, then uninstall driver/S3D then reinstall just to see your monitor is no longer detected then again uninstall/reinstall the old driver and ntune tool and resetting up gpu/fan profiles.

On a side rant that's not particular to just Nvidia alone but to any GPU driver update: the whole procedure is just ridiculously boring and time consuming for nothing if it didn't work. Sometime I wonder why can't devs come up with some incremental code patching and undo mechanisms so that user has to just click one button to install and another to undo the latest install for frequent update things like graphics card drivers.[/quote]


im running samsung 2233 screen-22" 3d ready + syncmaster 760v tft 17" , bfg gtx 250 oc 1g, 4gig ddr2 553 value ram.....lol, 520w psu, amd 4200+ dual core oc 2.6 on air -ntune, xbox 360 wireless,
[quote name='distant' post='956265' date='Nov 26 2009, 07:01 PM']I'm glad you got it run well. Could you post your 3D monitor brand/model pls?

Also to all the guys who install the new driver could you guys post your hardwares or monitor brand/model pls? You see, I'm very reluctant to upgrade to 1.17CD in fear of it not detecting my Sammy DLP TV just like the 1.16CD . It's a big hassle to uninstall Nvidia ntune system performance, then uninstall driver/S3D then reinstall just to see your monitor is no longer detected then again uninstall/reinstall the old driver and ntune tool and resetting up gpu/fan profiles.



On a side rant that's not particular to just Nvidia alone but to any GPU driver update: the whole procedure is just ridiculously boring and time consuming for nothing if it didn't work. Sometime I wonder why can't devs come up with some incremental code patching and undo mechanisms so that user has to just click one button to install and another to undo the latest install for frequent update things like graphics card drivers.





im running samsung 2233 screen-22" 3d ready + syncmaster 760v tft 17" , bfg gtx 250 oc 1g, 4gig ddr2 553 value ram.....lol, 520w psu, amd 4200+ dual core oc 2.6 on air -ntune, xbox 360 wireless,
#23
Posted 11/27/2009 04:12 AM   
[quote name='distant' post='956265' date='Nov 27 2009, 03:01 AM']Also to all the guys who install the new driver could you guys post your hardwares or monitor brand/model pls? You see, I'm very reluctant to upgrade to 1.17CD in fear of it not detecting my Sammy DLP TV just like the 1.16CD.[/quote]
So far there have been reports of both 1.16 and 1.17 not working on 3D Vision certified Viewsonic projectors, generic CRTs, generic DLP TVs (like the Samsungs) and generic DLP projectors (like my HP MP3222). From the length of the list it looks like they didn't bother testing these drivers with anything other than the two bundle monitors.

[quote name='distant' post='956265' date='Nov 27 2009, 03:01 AM']It's a big hassle to uninstall Nvidia ntune system performance, then uninstall driver/S3D then reinstall just to see your monitor is no longer detected then again uninstall/reinstall the old driver and ntune tool and resetting up gpu/fan profiles...the whole procedure is just ridiculously boring and time consuming for nothing if it didn't work. Sometime I wonder why can't devs come up with some incremental code patching and undo mechanisms so that user has to just click one button to install and another to undo the latest install for frequent update things like graphics card drivers.[/quote]
Totally agree - I wasted the best part of an hour going through this process when installing the 1.16 beta drivers only to find they didn't allow me to use anything but anaglyph so I had to roll back to 1.15. When the 1.17 drivers were released I naively assumed that since these ones were WHQL certified and the problems with the 1.16 drivers had been well documented in this forum that they were bound to work properly. Alas I was wrong - I guess it's just more proof that not only do nVidia not bother to write anything in the 3D Vision forum, they don't even read it.
Cheers,
DD
[quote name='distant' post='956265' date='Nov 27 2009, 03:01 AM']Also to all the guys who install the new driver could you guys post your hardwares or monitor brand/model pls? You see, I'm very reluctant to upgrade to 1.17CD in fear of it not detecting my Sammy DLP TV just like the 1.16CD.

So far there have been reports of both 1.16 and 1.17 not working on 3D Vision certified Viewsonic projectors, generic CRTs, generic DLP TVs (like the Samsungs) and generic DLP projectors (like my HP MP3222). From the length of the list it looks like they didn't bother testing these drivers with anything other than the two bundle monitors.



[quote name='distant' post='956265' date='Nov 27 2009, 03:01 AM']It's a big hassle to uninstall Nvidia ntune system performance, then uninstall driver/S3D then reinstall just to see your monitor is no longer detected then again uninstall/reinstall the old driver and ntune tool and resetting up gpu/fan profiles...the whole procedure is just ridiculously boring and time consuming for nothing if it didn't work. Sometime I wonder why can't devs come up with some incremental code patching and undo mechanisms so that user has to just click one button to install and another to undo the latest install for frequent update things like graphics card drivers.

Totally agree - I wasted the best part of an hour going through this process when installing the 1.16 beta drivers only to find they didn't allow me to use anything but anaglyph so I had to roll back to 1.15. When the 1.17 drivers were released I naively assumed that since these ones were WHQL certified and the problems with the 1.16 drivers had been well documented in this forum that they were bound to work properly. Alas I was wrong - I guess it's just more proof that not only do nVidia not bother to write anything in the 3D Vision forum, they don't even read it.

Cheers,

DD

#24
Posted 11/27/2009 12:34 PM   
Mistaken post
Mistaken post

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#25
Posted 11/27/2009 01:42 PM   
As suggested in preceding post 1.16 and 1.17 are total NO-GOs on Samsung plasma. Driver team obviously asleep at the wheel, hope they wake up soon!!
As suggested in preceding post 1.16 and 1.17 are total NO-GOs on Samsung plasma. Driver team obviously asleep at the wheel, hope they wake up soon!!

EVGA X58 760 Classified (VREG,NB/SB WB Koolance seperate loop), i7 980X@4.4+GHz 33x134 1.3625V Thermaltake Venoumous S with CoolerMaster push-pull fans, 12GB OCZ 8-8-8-24@16000 1.65V, ATI 5970 WB Koolance on seperate loop @1.16V 850-1200 or Nvidia 295, Xonar HDAV 1.3 Deluxe into Yamaha RX-V3800, 4x300GB Velociraptors Raid 0 on Adaptec 4505 RAID, 4x60GB OCZ Vertex SSD RAID 0 LSI 9750, 1TB WD SATA3, 128GB Falcon SSD, Thermaltake 1200W, Thermaltake TX Mozart, Logitech diNovo Bluetooth Keyboard + MX1000 Mouse, Logitech Sphere MP webcam, Logitech cordless Rumblepad2, 50" Samsung 3D PS50B450 plasma, Samsung SSG1000 3D glasses, Nvidia 3D Vision, Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RTM

#26
Posted 11/27/2009 01:43 PM   
Just a quick chirp to those of you believing in the mystical powers of WHQL driver releases: All the WHQL seal means is that the driver has been sent in to Microsoft, and has then been certified by them to be running in a stable fashion on all supported Windows platforms.

Most of you probably knew this anyway, just a quick reminder I guess...
Just a quick chirp to those of you believing in the mystical powers of WHQL driver releases: All the WHQL seal means is that the driver has been sent in to Microsoft, and has then been certified by them to be running in a stable fashion on all supported Windows platforms.



Most of you probably knew this anyway, just a quick reminder I guess...

#27
Posted 11/27/2009 02:42 PM   
Isn't there a way to trick n'vidia control panel into detecting a generic display for it to work?
Isn't there a way to trick n'vidia control panel into detecting a generic display for it to work?

#28
Posted 11/27/2009 03:16 PM   
[quote name='jmbuehler' post='956455' date='Nov 27 2009, 02:42 PM']All the WHQL seal means is that the driver has been sent in to Microsoft, and has then been certified by them to be running in a stable fashion on all supported Windows platforms.[/quote]
Yeah I realise that, but whereas the 1.16 drivers were only a beta, it's not unreasonable to assume that for an official WHQL release nVidia would have at least tested them properly internally prior to sending them to MS for certification. Apparently, however, that is not the case.

[quote name='Amblix' post='956460' date='Nov 27 2009, 03:16 PM']Isn't there a way to trick n'vidia control panel into detecting a generic display for it to work?[/quote]
Nope. In previous drivers you could select the generic CRT/DLP TV option but in 1.17 this isn't possible. I've even tried editing the registry to match previous entries I had with earlier working drivers but that doesn't seem to work either.
Cheers,
DD
[quote name='jmbuehler' post='956455' date='Nov 27 2009, 02:42 PM']All the WHQL seal means is that the driver has been sent in to Microsoft, and has then been certified by them to be running in a stable fashion on all supported Windows platforms.

Yeah I realise that, but whereas the 1.16 drivers were only a beta, it's not unreasonable to assume that for an official WHQL release nVidia would have at least tested them properly internally prior to sending them to MS for certification. Apparently, however, that is not the case.



[quote name='Amblix' post='956460' date='Nov 27 2009, 03:16 PM']Isn't there a way to trick n'vidia control panel into detecting a generic display for it to work?

Nope. In previous drivers you could select the generic CRT/DLP TV option but in 1.17 this isn't possible. I've even tried editing the registry to match previous entries I had with earlier working drivers but that doesn't seem to work either.

Cheers,

DD

#29
Posted 11/27/2009 03:23 PM   
Is Nvidia trying to lock out non "Certified" 3D Displays?
Is Nvidia trying to lock out non "Certified" 3D Displays?

#30
Posted 11/27/2009 03:40 PM   
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