The Hobbit in HFR 3D
Did about 1/2 hour of googling and nothing - so is there any way to see Hobbit: AUJ in high frame rate 48fps and 3D in the home? Apparently it's not part of the Blu-ray spec, so the only way to get it on a disc would be 720p/60 sbs? Although the 3D Vision 2 is more than equipped to display the full 1080p at 48fps per eye, right? There doesn't seem to be a way to digitally purchase/rent such a file, which is weird. Maybe Peter Jackson is waiting for 4k delivery to shake out and do it there? We have the gear to display it, just not the file! :)
Did about 1/2 hour of googling and nothing - so is there any way to see Hobbit: AUJ in high frame rate 48fps and 3D in the home?

Apparently it's not part of the Blu-ray spec, so the only way to get it on a disc would be 720p/60 sbs? Although the 3D Vision 2 is more than equipped to display the full 1080p at 48fps per eye, right? There doesn't seem to be a way to digitally purchase/rent such a file, which is weird.

Maybe Peter Jackson is waiting for 4k delivery to shake out and do it there?

We have the gear to display it, just not the file! :)

#1
Posted 01/18/2014 04:32 AM   
It's not available. However you can use SVP (google it), and combine that with the nVidia player (set it to use ffdshow as the renderer) and it will give you a pretty good approximation. I watch all my videos with SVP now.
It's not available. However you can use SVP (google it), and combine that with the nVidia player (set it to use ffdshow as the renderer) and it will give you a pretty good approximation. I watch all my videos with SVP now.

#2
Posted 01/18/2014 09:21 AM   
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]It's not available. However you can use SVP (google it), and combine that with the nVidia player (set it to use ffdshow as the renderer) and it will give you a pretty good approximation. I watch all my videos with SVP now.[/quote] Holy shit! I didn't even know about this! Thanks dude! wow, SVP really makes a HUGE difference!
Pirateguybrush said:It's not available. However you can use SVP (google it), and combine that with the nVidia player (set it to use ffdshow as the renderer) and it will give you a pretty good approximation. I watch all my videos with SVP now.


Holy shit! I didn't even know about this! Thanks dude! wow, SVP really makes a HUGE difference!

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#3
Posted 01/18/2014 10:01 PM   
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]It's not available. However you can use SVP (google it), and combine that with the nVidia player (set it to use ffdshow as the renderer) and it will give you a pretty good approximation. I watch all my videos with SVP now.[/quote] Hi Pirate, I was wondering the same thing as the original poster. I bought the Hobbit part 1 blueray 3D and realised that the imagine was not as smooth as in the cinema. So I figured that due to some unavailable technology on PC/3D vision the 48fps version was not commercially available (although usually PCs can display 60fps per eye in S3D, so I don't get the problem). Now after I saw your comments, I am trying to see if I can improve my experience. But I'm having some difficulty, I am still coming to grasps with the many differences in stereo 3D capabilities and performances between PC (3D Vision) and TV. I have a PC with 3D Vision 2, the Asus monitor does not have SBS capabilities. So I was wondering, does your comments apply to PCs as well, as in my case? My main problems so far is that the nVidia player I have cannot read blueray (there only is a Open DVD option, and when I point it to the Hobbid Blueray it says "no DVD data found"), and I launched SVP manager but the four Stereo 3D options listed are all SBS, Over-under etc. I think I'm mising something, so if you have a minute to explain I'd appreciate it. Thank you in advance
Pirateguybrush said:It's not available. However you can use SVP (google it), and combine that with the nVidia player (set it to use ffdshow as the renderer) and it will give you a pretty good approximation. I watch all my videos with SVP now.


Hi Pirate,
I was wondering the same thing as the original poster. I bought the Hobbit part 1 blueray 3D and realised that the imagine was not as smooth as in the cinema. So I figured that due to some unavailable technology on PC/3D vision the 48fps version was not commercially available (although usually PCs can display 60fps per eye in S3D, so I don't get the problem).

Now after I saw your comments, I am trying to see if I can improve my experience. But I'm having some difficulty, I am still coming to grasps with the many differences in stereo 3D capabilities and performances between PC (3D Vision) and TV.

I have a PC with 3D Vision 2, the Asus monitor does not have SBS capabilities.
So I was wondering, does your comments apply to PCs as well, as in my case?
My main problems so far is that the nVidia player I have cannot read blueray (there only is a Open DVD option, and when I point it to the Hobbid Blueray it says "no DVD data found"), and I launched SVP manager but the four Stereo 3D options listed are all SBS, Over-under etc.

I think I'm mising something, so if you have a minute to explain I'd appreciate it.
Thank you in advance

#4
Posted 01/19/2014 09:29 AM   
I've never used any stereo options in SVP. I use SVP to handle the framerate, and nVidia player to handle the 3d. I've never tried with a 3d blu ray though, you might be best off downloading a side by side copy and playing that in nVidia's player.
I've never used any stereo options in SVP. I use SVP to handle the framerate, and nVidia player to handle the 3d. I've never tried with a 3d blu ray though, you might be best off downloading a side by side copy and playing that in nVidia's player.

#5
Posted 01/19/2014 09:42 AM   
I'm also a fan of SVP. I've never used it for 3D, but my understanding is that you have to play a 1080p sbs or top/bottom file. That is, you can't do it straight from Blu-ray, and in any case you have to cut the resolution in half. But, I may be wrong. For 2D Blu-rays, you need to buy AnyDVD HD in order to unlock the files on the Blu-ray so that SVP can do it's magic as the disc is read. It's a bit pricy, but I've been greatly enjoying movies at 60fps for the past few months. Worth the money for me. SVP isn't the only option for frame interpolation. Many TVs and projectors have it built in, and some can even do it for 1080p 3D. The Optoma HD 33 projector is one example. But basically for 1080p 3D at 60fps, frame interpolation has to be done inside the TV/projector, because HDMI is incapable of sending that much data.
I'm also a fan of SVP. I've never used it for 3D, but my understanding is that you have to play a 1080p sbs or top/bottom file. That is, you can't do it straight from Blu-ray, and in any case you have to cut the resolution in half. But, I may be wrong.

For 2D Blu-rays, you need to buy AnyDVD HD in order to unlock the files on the Blu-ray so that SVP can do it's magic as the disc is read. It's a bit pricy, but I've been greatly enjoying movies at 60fps for the past few months. Worth the money for me.

SVP isn't the only option for frame interpolation. Many TVs and projectors have it built in, and some can even do it for 1080p 3D. The Optoma HD 33 projector is one example. But basically for 1080p 3D at 60fps, frame interpolation has to be done inside the TV/projector, because HDMI is incapable of sending that much data.

#6
Posted 01/19/2014 11:26 AM   
Thank you guys for your replies. As I suspected, it does not reall apply to my setup. I hope the industry will understand at some point that PCs are powerful enough to display more than the conventional TV FPS/Hz for movies. It's enough of all this siliness and fragmentation. Though I should not probably complain seeing the state of S3D in general. Happy gaming, everyone!
Thank you guys for your replies. As I suspected, it does not reall apply to my setup. I hope the industry will understand at some point that PCs are powerful enough to display more than the conventional TV FPS/Hz for movies. It's enough of all this siliness and fragmentation.

Though I should not probably complain seeing the state of S3D in general.
Happy gaming, everyone!

#7
Posted 01/19/2014 04:32 PM   
It does apply to your setup, I use it on PC - you just can't use it with blu-rays, you'll have to download a copy. I can't really show you how to do that though.
It does apply to your setup, I use it on PC - you just can't use it with blu-rays, you'll have to download a copy. I can't really show you how to do that though.

#8
Posted 01/19/2014 05:28 PM   
Interpolation is an interim solution, but I really hope Warner Bros releases the real 4K 48fps stream in the future! :)
Interpolation is an interim solution, but I really hope Warner Bros releases the real 4K 48fps stream in the future! :)

#9
Posted 01/19/2014 07:57 PM   
Hi Daniel, Indeed, they have packaged a nice Digital Etended Edition and I was hoping to get an advanced version, at least for those playing it on PCs. Let's hope somethign like this will be available for the Complete Edition, with all three movies. Hi Pirate, I probably shoud have said that it does not apply to my "situation", not to my "setup". It may indeed apply to a PC setup in general, if you already settle for a lossy image. When I asked the question, my intention was to find out whether anything could have improved my BluRay 3D viewing, to leverage the power of S3D on PC. What you're suggesting would probably be very difficult to achieve. I cannot even fathom how big a lossless digital file would be (if there even is such a thing). The damn thing even comes on two Blurays :-) But you have a good point, if ripping from my discs would be easy and lossless probably I would try this. Thanks
Hi Daniel,
Indeed, they have packaged a nice Digital Etended Edition and I was hoping to get an advanced version, at least for those playing it on PCs. Let's hope somethign like this will be available for the Complete Edition, with all three movies.

Hi Pirate,
I probably shoud have said that it does not apply to my "situation", not to my "setup".
It may indeed apply to a PC setup in general, if you already settle for a lossy image. When I asked the question, my intention was to find out whether anything could have improved my BluRay 3D viewing, to leverage the power of S3D on PC.
What you're suggesting would probably be very difficult to achieve. I cannot even fathom how big a lossless digital file would be (if there even is such a thing). The damn thing even comes on two Blurays :-)
But you have a good point, if ripping from my discs would be easy and lossless probably I would try this.
Thanks

#10
Posted 01/20/2014 11:48 AM   
I downloaded a 16.5gb version of The Hobbit, and I can confirm that the quality is outstanding. Smaller files would definitely show quality loss though.
I downloaded a 16.5gb version of The Hobbit, and I can confirm that the quality is outstanding. Smaller files would definitely show quality loss though.

#11
Posted 01/20/2014 12:04 PM   
Well, all this discussion really revealed this whole FPS issue to me, I'm definitely eager to try to see how it looks like, initially for 2D. But you and Airion seem to swear by it, so I'm sure I'll love it. I don't have AnyDVD so I'll probably have to check DVDs only, or high quality files.
Well, all this discussion really revealed this whole FPS issue to me, I'm definitely eager to try to see how it looks like, initially for 2D. But you and Airion seem to swear by it, so I'm sure I'll love it.
I don't have AnyDVD so I'll probably have to check DVDs only, or high quality files.

#12
Posted 01/20/2014 12:58 PM   
I imagine the HFR version will be saved for a re-release special edition after everyone who would buy such a thing has already bought the individual 3D extended versions.
I imagine the HFR version will be saved for a re-release special edition after everyone who would buy such a thing has already bought the individual 3D extended versions.

#13
Posted 01/20/2014 01:48 PM   
[quote="Zappologist"]Hi Daniel, Indeed, they have packaged a nice Digital Etended Edition and I was hoping to get an advanced version, at least for those playing it on PCs. Let's hope somethign like this will be available for the Complete Edition, with all three movies. [/quote] Hey you just triggered a memory that there's a precedent for this -- about 2 years before HD became mainstream, there was a special release of Terminator 2 DVD that had an HD WMV on the second disc!
Zappologist said:Hi Daniel,
Indeed, they have packaged a nice Digital Etended Edition and I was hoping to get an advanced version, at least for those playing it on PCs. Let's hope somethign like this will be available for the Complete Edition, with all three movies.


Hey you just triggered a memory that there's a precedent for this -- about 2 years before HD became mainstream, there was a special release of Terminator 2 DVD that had an HD WMV on the second disc!

#14
Posted 01/20/2014 02:33 PM   
I'm trying to use SVP, but when I change the video processor to ffdshow raw filter, the 3d movie plays in the wrong aspect ratio in full screen. When I remove ffdshow raw filter, the video aspect ratio plays normally again. Stereoscopic 3d player also plays the wrong aspect ratio when I'm in full screen. This is very frustrating. Can someone please help? thank you!
I'm trying to use SVP, but when I change the video processor to ffdshow raw filter, the 3d movie plays in the wrong aspect ratio in full screen. When I remove ffdshow raw filter, the video aspect ratio plays normally again.

Stereoscopic 3d player also plays the wrong aspect ratio when I'm in full screen. This is very frustrating. Can someone please help? thank you!

#15
Posted 01/18/2018 04:55 AM   
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