Barco F50 1080
LVDS DMD™ with DarkChip3™
3D Up to 2,560 x 1,600 @ 120Hz
Max. pixel clock
Up to 600 Mhz (2,560 x 1,600@120 Hz max) DP 1.2
Up to 330 Mhz Dual link DVI
https://www.barco.com/en/Specsheets/abc55d7f-d8ba-43d3-b598-ed081f25817f/F50-1080.pdf
So this projector is 1080P native. I'm not sure what is up with the 2560x1600 support.
It's available for $8,000 without a lens
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1108729-REG/barco_r9023223_f50_1080p_3d_multimedia.html
You would think that by now, we'd see a budget version of something with 1920X1080@120Hz for under $2000 or even under $1000
A user linked a 1080p @ 120Hz 3D dual input HDMI projector a few days ago which cost £/$450:
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/products/projectors/PJD7720HD.php
From what I have read, HDR is also a significantly bigger difference than upping the resolution. It's a shame not many projectors are supporting HDR as yet. The DLP colour gamut has never been great and HDR should indeed add a great deal. A lot of games are already supporting it, with very little performance impact.
I think 1080p@120Hz with HDR should be the best bet for 3D Vision gaming.
Higher resolutions also shouldn't give too big a benifit, according to the graph below, depending on viewing distance of course:
[img]http://lowtek.ca/roo/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/resolution_chart.png[/img]
From what I have read, HDR is also a significantly bigger difference than upping the resolution. It's a shame not many projectors are supporting HDR as yet. The DLP colour gamut has never been great and HDR should indeed add a great deal. A lot of games are already supporting it, with very little performance impact.
I think 1080p@120Hz with HDR should be the best bet for 3D Vision gaming.
Higher resolutions also shouldn't give too big a benifit, according to the graph below, depending on viewing distance of course:
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Looking at the owners manual on the PJD7720HD, the only 120Hz timings listed is for lower resolution images. It had 60Hz listed for 1080P and it also states HDMI 1.4 not 2.0.
So as far as I see, it's not capable of 1920x1080@120Hz in 2D nor 120 individual R/L frames in 3D, but is repeating frames just like the rest.
It would seem that the Optoma Projectors are still offering better support with their 144Hz capabilities using pull down/Telecine.
From pretty much any Optoma pdf
3D Compatibility† Supports all HDMI 1.4a mandatory 3D formats
(Frame pack, side-by-side, top-bottom) and up converts frame rate from 60Hz to 120Hz
or 24Hz to 144Hz (i.e 60 or 72 frames per eye).
Looking at the owners manual on the PJD7720HD, the only 120Hz timings listed is for lower resolution images. It had 60Hz listed for 1080P and it also states HDMI 1.4 not 2.0.
So as far as I see, it's not capable of 1920x1080@120Hz in 2D nor 120 individual R/L frames in 3D, but is repeating frames just like the rest.
It would seem that the Optoma Projectors are still offering better support with their 144Hz capabilities using pull down/Telecine.
From pretty much any Optoma pdf
3D Compatibility† Supports all HDMI 1.4a mandatory 3D formats
(Frame pack, side-by-side, top-bottom) and up converts frame rate from 60Hz to 120Hz
or 24Hz to 144Hz (i.e 60 or 72 frames per eye).
Also as far as that seating chart goes, that applies more to sitting and watching video, than it does to pixels resolving edges in game.
Zaggies get less noticeable with each resolution jump, in my experience.
Hmm not quite sure what Zaggies are (vertical z-axis jaggies?), but indeed AA solutions are also needed in games as well as a decent resolution to minimise standard jaggies. I personally up the resolution 2x horizontally and 2x vertically so it's 4x upsampled using DSR with smooth blurring set to zero. This also sharpens the textures, not only AA the edges. I also like to apply a sharpening filter via ReShade/sweetfx. There is an immense IQ difference after doing all this, and I would be willing to bet that it produced better IQ than 1080p with standard MSAA.
I guess we have to make best use of what we have :)
It's a shame that affordable 3D DLP projectors haven't improved since 2010 - 7 years ago.
Hmm not quite sure what Zaggies are (vertical z-axis jaggies?), but indeed AA solutions are also needed in games as well as a decent resolution to minimise standard jaggies. I personally up the resolution 2x horizontally and 2x vertically so it's 4x upsampled using DSR with smooth blurring set to zero. This also sharpens the textures, not only AA the edges. I also like to apply a sharpening filter via ReShade/sweetfx. There is an immense IQ difference after doing all this, and I would be willing to bet that it produced better IQ than 1080p with standard MSAA.
I guess we have to make best use of what we have :)
It's a shame that affordable 3D DLP projectors haven't improved since 2010 - 7 years ago.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Projectors aren't bright enough to do HDR justice.
Not the consumer projectors anyway.
The new laser ones will though.
I remember reading a review on the Sony VPL-vw1100es (£18,000)
Thhey said it would need to be twice as bright to make HDR worth turning on.
I really want to pick up a 4K projector this year.
There should be some good options and hopefully some competition in the 4K projector market to drive down prices.
Projectors aren't bright enough to do HDR justice.
Not the consumer projectors anyway.
The new laser ones will though.
I remember reading a review on the Sony VPL-vw1100es (£18,000)
Thhey said it would need to be twice as bright to make HDR worth turning on.
I really want to pick up a 4K projector this year.
There should be some good options and hopefully some competition in the 4K projector market to drive down prices.
LVDS DMD™ with DarkChip3™
3D Up to 2,560 x 1,600 @ 120Hz
Max. pixel clock
Up to 600 Mhz (2,560 x 1,600@120 Hz max) DP 1.2
Up to 330 Mhz Dual link DVI
https://www.barco.com/en/Specsheets/abc55d7f-d8ba-43d3-b598-ed081f25817f/F50-1080.pdf
So this projector is 1080P native. I'm not sure what is up with the 2560x1600 support.
It's available for $8,000 without a lens
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1108729-REG/barco_r9023223_f50_1080p_3d_multimedia.html
You would think that by now, we'd see a budget version of something with 1920X1080@120Hz for under $2000 or even under $1000
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/products/projectors/PJD7720HD.php
From what I have read, HDR is also a significantly bigger difference than upping the resolution. It's a shame not many projectors are supporting HDR as yet. The DLP colour gamut has never been great and HDR should indeed add a great deal. A lot of games are already supporting it, with very little performance impact.
I think 1080p@120Hz with HDR should be the best bet for 3D Vision gaming.
Higher resolutions also shouldn't give too big a benifit, according to the graph below, depending on viewing distance of course:
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
So as far as I see, it's not capable of 1920x1080@120Hz in 2D nor 120 individual R/L frames in 3D, but is repeating frames just like the rest.
It would seem that the Optoma Projectors are still offering better support with their 144Hz capabilities using pull down/Telecine.
From pretty much any Optoma pdf
3D Compatibility† Supports all HDMI 1.4a mandatory 3D formats
(Frame pack, side-by-side, top-bottom) and up converts frame rate from 60Hz to 120Hz
or 24Hz to 144Hz (i.e 60 or 72 frames per eye).
Zaggies get less noticeable with each resolution jump, in my experience.
I guess we have to make best use of what we have :)
It's a shame that affordable 3D DLP projectors haven't improved since 2010 - 7 years ago.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Not the consumer projectors anyway.
The new laser ones will though.
I remember reading a review on the Sony VPL-vw1100es (£18,000)
Thhey said it would need to be twice as bright to make HDR worth turning on.
I really want to pick up a 4K projector this year.
There should be some good options and hopefully some competition in the 4K projector market to drive down prices.