side-by-side mode ? 3dtvplay
Hello everybody,

I have a panasonic p42gt20 3dtv, which I've had for a little while now however I only recently acquired a pc with a 3dvision-capable nvidia GPU. I'm currently trying the 3dtvplay software for free to decide whether I should buy it or no. I understand the limitations of hdmi 1.4a and that it's pretty much limited to 720p@60hz for gaming but the truth is it looks really bad. I've tried far cry 2 and just cause 2 and I'd rather just play them without 3d. Isn't there some way to enable side-by-side output ? I've tried it before with a few videos and it looks noticeably better than 720p on my tv. I would appreciate it if somebody could walk me through the steps for enabling side-by-side.

thanks in advance
Hello everybody,



I have a panasonic p42gt20 3dtv, which I've had for a little while now however I only recently acquired a pc with a 3dvision-capable nvidia GPU. I'm currently trying the 3dtvplay software for free to decide whether I should buy it or no. I understand the limitations of hdmi 1.4a and that it's pretty much limited to 720p@60hz for gaming but the truth is it looks really bad. I've tried far cry 2 and just cause 2 and I'd rather just play them without 3d. Isn't there some way to enable side-by-side output ? I've tried it before with a few videos and it looks noticeably better than 720p on my tv. I would appreciate it if somebody could walk me through the steps for enabling side-by-side.



thanks in advance

#1
Posted 12/18/2011 09:53 PM   
[quote name='blackrack' date='18 December 2011 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1324245186' post='1343955']
Hello everybody,

I have a panasonic p42gt20 3dtv, which I've had for a little while now however I only recently acquired a pc with a 3dvision-capable nvidia GPU. I'm currently trying the 3dtvplay software for free to decide whether I should buy it or no. I understand the limitations of hdmi 1.4a and that it's pretty much limited to 720p@60hz for gaming but the truth is it looks really bad. I've tried far cry 2 and just cause 2 and I'd rather just play them without 3d. Isn't there some way to enable side-by-side output ? I've tried it before with a few videos and it looks noticeably better than 720p on my tv. I would appreciate it if somebody could walk me through the steps for enabling side-by-side.

thanks in advance
[/quote]
There is no enabling side-by-side mode, nvidia doesn't support it.
3DTV Play looks awful because 3DTV Play supports only framepacking 3D mode, the worst possible mode for 3D gaming.
TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics, so they provide a special PC pixel processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you don't do this procedure, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast. This is especially important for 2D (like text quality in desktop) but games benefit as well.
Problem is, framepacking is the mandatory 3D mode for HDMI1.4 TVs, so the TV autoswitches out of PC mode and into broadcast TV mode thereby over riding your settings, and there's nothing you can do to stop this from happening.
Additionally, the 3DTV Play output is scaled low res 1280x720 instead of native res 1920x1080. Wrong pixel processing and low res is the 'double curse' of 3DTV Play and why people avoid it.
Nvidia software does not support SBS mode, or any 3D mode your Panasonic supports other than FP. This is why people use samsung TVs for 3D gaming, it's the only direct view TV brand that supports native resolution checkerboard mode.

If you're stuck with the panasonic, then you basically can't use nvidia software. The alternative 3D drivers are TriDef 3D and iZ3D which have their own set of problems. They aren't great, but they're a helluva lot better than 3DTV Play because they offer SBS native res 3D gaming.
[quote name='blackrack' date='18 December 2011 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1324245186' post='1343955']

Hello everybody,



I have a panasonic p42gt20 3dtv, which I've had for a little while now however I only recently acquired a pc with a 3dvision-capable nvidia GPU. I'm currently trying the 3dtvplay software for free to decide whether I should buy it or no. I understand the limitations of hdmi 1.4a and that it's pretty much limited to 720p@60hz for gaming but the truth is it looks really bad. I've tried far cry 2 and just cause 2 and I'd rather just play them without 3d. Isn't there some way to enable side-by-side output ? I've tried it before with a few videos and it looks noticeably better than 720p on my tv. I would appreciate it if somebody could walk me through the steps for enabling side-by-side.



thanks in advance



There is no enabling side-by-side mode, nvidia doesn't support it.

3DTV Play looks awful because 3DTV Play supports only framepacking 3D mode, the worst possible mode for 3D gaming.

TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics, so they provide a special PC pixel processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you don't do this procedure, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast. This is especially important for 2D (like text quality in desktop) but games benefit as well.

Problem is, framepacking is the mandatory 3D mode for HDMI1.4 TVs, so the TV autoswitches out of PC mode and into broadcast TV mode thereby over riding your settings, and there's nothing you can do to stop this from happening.

Additionally, the 3DTV Play output is scaled low res 1280x720 instead of native res 1920x1080. Wrong pixel processing and low res is the 'double curse' of 3DTV Play and why people avoid it.

Nvidia software does not support SBS mode, or any 3D mode your Panasonic supports other than FP. This is why people use samsung TVs for 3D gaming, it's the only direct view TV brand that supports native resolution checkerboard mode.



If you're stuck with the panasonic, then you basically can't use nvidia software. The alternative 3D drivers are TriDef 3D and iZ3D which have their own set of problems. They aren't great, but they're a helluva lot better than 3DTV Play because they offer SBS native res 3D gaming.

#2
Posted 12/19/2011 06:53 PM   
blackrack roller? thats an odd name.
blackrack roller? thats an odd name.

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#3
Posted 12/19/2011 08:17 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='19 December 2011 - 06:53 PM' timestamp='1324320830' post='1344326']
There is no enabling side-by-side mode, nvidia doesn't support it.
3DTV Play looks awful because 3DTV Play supports only framepacking 3D mode, the worst possible mode for 3D gaming.
TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics, so they provide a special PC pixel processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you don't do this procedure, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast. This is especially important for 2D (like text quality in desktop) but games benefit as well.
Problem is, framepacking is the mandatory 3D mode for HDMI1.4 TVs, so the TV autoswitches out of PC mode and into broadcast TV mode thereby over riding your settings, and there's nothing you can do to stop this from happening.
Additionally, the 3DTV Play output is scaled low res 1280x720 instead of native res 1920x1080. Wrong pixel processing and low res is the 'double curse' of 3DTV Play and why people avoid it.
Nvidia software does not support SBS mode, or any 3D mode your Panasonic supports other than FP. This is why people use samsung TVs for 3D gaming, it's the only direct view TV brand that supports native resolution checkerboard mode.

If you're stuck with the panasonic, then you basically can't use nvidia software. The alternative 3D drivers are TriDef 3D and iZ3D which have their own set of problems. They aren't great, but they're a helluva lot better than 3DTV Play because they offer SBS native res 3D gaming.
[/quote]

well I tried tridef and iz3d, few games worked and the ones that did came up with lots of artifacts so I'm not even anywhere near convinced. I guess I'm sticking to 2D gaming for now until either nvidia implements sbs or the other guys improve their game support. Thank you for replying.
[quote name='roller11' date='19 December 2011 - 06:53 PM' timestamp='1324320830' post='1344326']

There is no enabling side-by-side mode, nvidia doesn't support it.

3DTV Play looks awful because 3DTV Play supports only framepacking 3D mode, the worst possible mode for 3D gaming.

TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics, so they provide a special PC pixel processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you don't do this procedure, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast. This is especially important for 2D (like text quality in desktop) but games benefit as well.

Problem is, framepacking is the mandatory 3D mode for HDMI1.4 TVs, so the TV autoswitches out of PC mode and into broadcast TV mode thereby over riding your settings, and there's nothing you can do to stop this from happening.

Additionally, the 3DTV Play output is scaled low res 1280x720 instead of native res 1920x1080. Wrong pixel processing and low res is the 'double curse' of 3DTV Play and why people avoid it.

Nvidia software does not support SBS mode, or any 3D mode your Panasonic supports other than FP. This is why people use samsung TVs for 3D gaming, it's the only direct view TV brand that supports native resolution checkerboard mode.



If you're stuck with the panasonic, then you basically can't use nvidia software. The alternative 3D drivers are TriDef 3D and iZ3D which have their own set of problems. They aren't great, but they're a helluva lot better than 3DTV Play because they offer SBS native res 3D gaming.





well I tried tridef and iz3d, few games worked and the ones that did came up with lots of artifacts so I'm not even anywhere near convinced. I guess I'm sticking to 2D gaming for now until either nvidia implements sbs or the other guys improve their game support. Thank you for replying.

#4
Posted 12/20/2011 12:20 PM   
[quote name='blackrack' date='20 December 2011 - 05:20 AM' timestamp='1324383636' post='1344668']
well I tried tridef and iz3d, few games worked and the ones that did came up with lots of artifacts so I'm not even anywhere near convinced. I guess I'm sticking to 2D gaming for now until either nvidia implements sbs or the other guys improve their game support. Thank you for replying.
[/quote]
I agree. If these alternative 3D drivers were "just as good" as 3D Vision, people would use them instead of jumping through flaming hoops backwards to get 3D Vision to work on their non-samsung 3DTVs. Your response illustrates why I don't recommend them.
[quote name='blackrack' date='20 December 2011 - 05:20 AM' timestamp='1324383636' post='1344668']

well I tried tridef and iz3d, few games worked and the ones that did came up with lots of artifacts so I'm not even anywhere near convinced. I guess I'm sticking to 2D gaming for now until either nvidia implements sbs or the other guys improve their game support. Thank you for replying.



I agree. If these alternative 3D drivers were "just as good" as 3D Vision, people would use them instead of jumping through flaming hoops backwards to get 3D Vision to work on their non-samsung 3DTVs. Your response illustrates why I don't recommend them.

#5
Posted 12/20/2011 05:12 PM   
I haven't used Tridef in a while, but my experience was for the games that do work, tridef often provides a better experience (less artifacts), at the cost of some framerate.
Now granted the supported library is a lot smaller.

IZ3D are AFAICS dead, they appear to be unresponsive to people on the message boards and seem to have stop releasing updates.
I haven't used Tridef in a while, but my experience was for the games that do work, tridef often provides a better experience (less artifacts), at the cost of some framerate.

Now granted the supported library is a lot smaller.



IZ3D are AFAICS dead, they appear to be unresponsive to people on the message boards and seem to have stop releasing updates.
#6
Posted 12/20/2011 05:42 PM   
Which games did you try in Tridef roller11? Which were they and what artifacts?
Which games did you try in Tridef roller11? Which were they and what artifacts?

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#7
Posted 12/21/2011 12:28 PM   
up. Andrew, could you answer ?
up. Andrew, could you answer ?

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#8
Posted 05/14/2012 12:55 PM   
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