3D Conundrum
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[quote name='maxpower irj' post='1031687' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:02 AM']So I am asking much wiser minds than myself in this forum. I currently am extremely interested in getting in the 3D gaming scene and stoked about the new GTX 400 cards. I Currently have a evga gtx 275, quad core cpu at stock 2.83ghz and 4 gb ram. I am looking at getting a total overhaul but want to do things in steps. My main question is: should I get a new cpu, i7, new MB and 6 gb ram and leave my video card alone or should I get a 480 gtx and new monitor with the 3D kit. My main concern about getting the cpu/ram first is the 3D performance. I am upgrading things for 3D and I want that aspect of the system to run at its best. Would my current system be able to get enough out of the 480 to have a smooth 3D experience? Please comment and thanks in advance[/quote]




You should give detailed specs if you want detailed advice.

I think your best bet would be to overclock your current cpu. Assuming it has a locked multiplier you will also be overclocking your fsb. Thus you will need to insure that your cpu and mb chipset are kept cool. (by an air or closed system liquid cooler for $60-80)
If you can get your quad core to 3.3GHz you will not bottleneck a GTX275SLI system and you would nearly double your framerates over single GTx275.

To run SLI you must be willing to put up with occasional delays in nvidia providing sli profiles in the drivers for games or use Nhancer to find your own profiles.

Your quad core at 3.5GHz would also support a single gtx480 without significant bottlenecking in my opinion.

I am planning to purchase 2 gtx480s (replacing 2 great gtx285s)to run sli on my QX9650 running 3.83GHz under water cooling (cpu only).
The reason for the upgrade in my case is to enjoy metro2033, BattlefieldBC2, and Assassin'sCreedII, and CrysisII in 3DVision on high settings. Currently @1920x1080 I can only get framerates in mid 30's for these titles (per eye).

baragon
[size=1][color="#FFCC00"]MOTHERBOARD: EVGA 780I SLI A2 P-06Bios
CPU: Intel 2 Core Quad QX9650 45nm(OC @ 3.83GHz FSB:1333 @ 1.3200V set in bios)prime95 all day
CPU Cooler: Gigabyte 3D Mercury case with integrated watercooling (cpu only at present)
RAM: 2x2GB OCZ PC8000 SLI (Timing:5-5-5-15-2T@ 2.0V, FSB:DRAM Ratio=2:3)
GRAPHICS: 2X EVGA GTX 285ssc(clocks: 720/1624/1370, stock heatsinks)
Physx: GTS250 512MB 756MHz stock
HDD1: 2X Western Digital Caviar SATA II 250GB 7200 rpm Raid 0
HDD2: Western Digital Caviar SATA II 500GB 7200 rpm
SOUND: On board
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit SP2
MONITOR: Dell 3008wfp 30" Native Res: 2560X1600 @ 60Hz, Acer235Hz120Hz-3D
PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W
CASE: Gigabyte 3D Mercury
3DMARK Vantage: 24,920p Current Display Driver:196.21[/color][/size]
[quote name='maxpower irj' post='1031687' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:02 AM']So I am asking much wiser minds than myself in this forum. I currently am extremely interested in getting in the 3D gaming scene and stoked about the new GTX 400 cards. I Currently have a evga gtx 275, quad core cpu at stock 2.83ghz and 4 gb ram. I am looking at getting a total overhaul but want to do things in steps. My main question is: should I get a new cpu, i7, new MB and 6 gb ram and leave my video card alone or should I get a 480 gtx and new monitor with the 3D kit. My main concern about getting the cpu/ram first is the 3D performance. I am upgrading things for 3D and I want that aspect of the system to run at its best. Would my current system be able to get enough out of the 480 to have a smooth 3D experience? Please comment and thanks in advance









You should give detailed specs if you want detailed advice.



I think your best bet would be to overclock your current cpu. Assuming it has a locked multiplier you will also be overclocking your fsb. Thus you will need to insure that your cpu and mb chipset are kept cool. (by an air or closed system liquid cooler for $60-80)

If you can get your quad core to 3.3GHz you will not bottleneck a GTX275SLI system and you would nearly double your framerates over single GTx275.



To run SLI you must be willing to put up with occasional delays in nvidia providing sli profiles in the drivers for games or use Nhancer to find your own profiles.



Your quad core at 3.5GHz would also support a single gtx480 without significant bottlenecking in my opinion.



I am planning to purchase 2 gtx480s (replacing 2 great gtx285s)to run sli on my QX9650 running 3.83GHz under water cooling (cpu only).

The reason for the upgrade in my case is to enjoy metro2033, BattlefieldBC2, and Assassin'sCreedII, and CrysisII in 3DVision on high settings. Currently @1920x1080 I can only get framerates in mid 30's for these titles (per eye).



baragon

MOTHERBOARD: EVGA 780I SLI A2 P-06Bios

CPU: Intel 2 Core Quad QX9650 45nm(OC @ 3.83GHz FSB:1333 @ 1.3200V set in bios)prime95 all day

CPU Cooler: Gigabyte 3D Mercury case with integrated watercooling (cpu only at present)

RAM: 2x2GB OCZ PC8000 SLI (Timing:5-5-5-15-2T@ 2.0V, FSB:DRAM Ratio=2:3)

GRAPHICS: 2X EVGA GTX 285ssc(clocks: 720/1624/1370, stock heatsinks)

Physx: GTS250 512MB 756MHz stock

HDD1: 2X Western Digital Caviar SATA II 250GB 7200 rpm Raid 0

HDD2: Western Digital Caviar SATA II 500GB 7200 rpm

SOUND: On board

OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit SP2

MONITOR: Dell 3008wfp 30" Native Res: 2560X1600 @ 60Hz, Acer235Hz120Hz-3D

PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W

CASE: Gigabyte 3D Mercury

3DMARK Vantage: 24,920p Current Display Driver:196.21

#16
Posted 04/01/2010 05:45 PM   
[quote name='maxpower irj' post='1031687' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:02 AM']So I am asking much wiser minds than myself in this forum. I currently am extremely interested in getting in the 3D gaming scene and stoked about the new GTX 400 cards. I Currently have a evga gtx 275, quad core cpu at stock 2.83ghz and 4 gb ram. I am looking at getting a total overhaul but want to do things in steps. My main question is: should I get a new cpu, i7, new MB and 6 gb ram and leave my video card alone or should I get a 480 gtx and new monitor with the 3D kit. My main concern about getting the cpu/ram first is the 3D performance. I am upgrading things for 3D and I want that aspect of the system to run at its best. Would my current system be able to get enough out of the 480 to have a smooth 3D experience? Please comment and thanks in advance[/quote]


Idk if this will help you, however I'm currently running a AMD 955 BE (3.2 quadcore) 4 gigs of mushkin ddr-1600 @ 7-7-6-18 and sli'd 9800 gtx+ ssc editions 22inch viewsonic 120hz....

I run 3d vision just fine.

If you want to me to build you the best of everything system I can help you with that. But looks to me that your current setup will be just fine. Bare in mind, you won't be getting outrageous frame rates due to 3d vision needing to draw everything twice, but it will still look top notch.

If you're looking for a cost effective way too, I've had no issues with my AMD cpu...Sure I know AMD owns ATI, but I'mma old school gamer, Nvidia has always delivered. Theres always going to be a competition, ATI will have the fastest single gpu, then nvidia will, back and fourth. @ the end of the day, Nvidia has always been very good to me aside from even pointing out their next level innovative talents.

PS @ the guy about the intel with 6 cores, [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115223&Tpk=intel%20i7%20980"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...ntel%20i7%20980[/url] they'll be for sale in 3 days.
[quote name='maxpower irj' post='1031687' date='Apr 1 2010, 12:02 AM']So I am asking much wiser minds than myself in this forum. I currently am extremely interested in getting in the 3D gaming scene and stoked about the new GTX 400 cards. I Currently have a evga gtx 275, quad core cpu at stock 2.83ghz and 4 gb ram. I am looking at getting a total overhaul but want to do things in steps. My main question is: should I get a new cpu, i7, new MB and 6 gb ram and leave my video card alone or should I get a 480 gtx and new monitor with the 3D kit. My main concern about getting the cpu/ram first is the 3D performance. I am upgrading things for 3D and I want that aspect of the system to run at its best. Would my current system be able to get enough out of the 480 to have a smooth 3D experience? Please comment and thanks in advance





Idk if this will help you, however I'm currently running a AMD 955 BE (3.2 quadcore) 4 gigs of mushkin ddr-1600 @ 7-7-6-18 and sli'd 9800 gtx+ ssc editions 22inch viewsonic 120hz....



I run 3d vision just fine.



If you want to me to build you the best of everything system I can help you with that. But looks to me that your current setup will be just fine. Bare in mind, you won't be getting outrageous frame rates due to 3d vision needing to draw everything twice, but it will still look top notch.



If you're looking for a cost effective way too, I've had no issues with my AMD cpu...Sure I know AMD owns ATI, but I'mma old school gamer, Nvidia has always delivered. Theres always going to be a competition, ATI will have the fastest single gpu, then nvidia will, back and fourth. @ the end of the day, Nvidia has always been very good to me aside from even pointing out their next level innovative talents.



PS @ the guy about the intel with 6 cores, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...ntel%20i7%20980 they'll be for sale in 3 days.

#17
Posted 04/02/2010 05:03 AM   
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='1032017' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:40 PM']Excuse me?? I assume that means you drive a 1980 Ford Escort with leather seats and a $2,000 stereo system then, right?

You're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to mine. But don't start name-calling, you don't know me.[/quote]

Please read my post properly before accusing me of calling you anything!! As clearly i have not calles you anything!!

You are entitled to your opinion, it just so happens youre opinion is wrong.But if you are going to give someone advice at leat try and justify it. You route would be a waste of money for 3D. A new GPU would hugely increase his frame rates in 3D, which is the nub of his question.

Anyway if you can prove to me that a system up grade over a new GPU would increase frame rates more, then i will bow to your experience. Dont take it personally i am just trying to give him good £££ per frame rate advice, if money is no object i would tell him to do both!!!

Oh and i drive a 450bhp car with a £200 stereo.(cant hear the stereo over the engine anyway) LOL. Seeing as the GPU is the engine that draws everything your analogy is very poor. Chow for now.
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='1032017' date='Apr 1 2010, 05:40 PM']Excuse me?? I assume that means you drive a 1980 Ford Escort with leather seats and a $2,000 stereo system then, right?



You're entitled to your opinion; I'm entitled to mine. But don't start name-calling, you don't know me.



Please read my post properly before accusing me of calling you anything!! As clearly i have not calles you anything!!



You are entitled to your opinion, it just so happens youre opinion is wrong.But if you are going to give someone advice at leat try and justify it. You route would be a waste of money for 3D. A new GPU would hugely increase his frame rates in 3D, which is the nub of his question.



Anyway if you can prove to me that a system up grade over a new GPU would increase frame rates more, then i will bow to your experience. Dont take it personally i am just trying to give him good £££ per frame rate advice, if money is no object i would tell him to do both!!!



Oh and i drive a 450bhp car with a £200 stereo.(cant hear the stereo over the engine anyway) LOL. Seeing as the GPU is the engine that draws everything your analogy is very poor. Chow for now.

#18
Posted 04/02/2010 01:13 PM   
Chris, have you tried to measure some fps in games in 3d vision? metro, avatar and so on? I would like to see what oced i7 can do with framerate. Because I am considering upgrade. If yes post something please.
Chris, have you tried to measure some fps in games in 3d vision? metro, avatar and so on? I would like to see what oced i7 can do with framerate. Because I am considering upgrade. If yes post something please.

#19
Posted 04/02/2010 03:12 PM   
Just get a whole new computer. /teehee.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':teehee:' />
Just get a whole new computer. /teehee.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':teehee:' />
#20
Posted 04/03/2010 02:27 AM   
Your current system really isn't too bad, 480 would be a big improvement.

The absolute biggest setback when running 3D is your FPS, it's effectively halved. GPU has the largest effect on your FPS, so it's only logical that it should be your main priority if you want to run 3D. Of course that doesn't mean you should neglect the rest of your system if it's horribly out of date, but yours isn't, really.

I plan on getting a 480 also (Currently using a GTS 250 as my high end card pre-Nvidia Vision was an ATI, and the 250 just doesn't cut it)
Your current system really isn't too bad, 480 would be a big improvement.



The absolute biggest setback when running 3D is your FPS, it's effectively halved. GPU has the largest effect on your FPS, so it's only logical that it should be your main priority if you want to run 3D. Of course that doesn't mean you should neglect the rest of your system if it's horribly out of date, but yours isn't, really.



I plan on getting a 480 also (Currently using a GTS 250 as my high end card pre-Nvidia Vision was an ATI, and the 250 just doesn't cut it)

#21
Posted 04/03/2010 05:38 AM   
[quote name='Chukibu' post='1033039' date='Apr 3 2010, 06:38 AM']Your current system really isn't too bad, 480 would be a big improvement.

The absolute biggest setback when running 3D is your FPS, it's effectively halved. GPU has the largest effect on your FPS, so it's only logical that it should be your main priority if you want to run 3D. Of course that doesn't mean you should neglect the rest of your system if it's horribly out of date, but yours isn't, really.

I plan on getting a 480 also (Currently using a GTS 250 as my high end card pre-Nvidia Vision was an ATI, and the 250 just doesn't cut it)[/quote]

Agreed.

Also as a previous poster said, look to overclocking your current CPU. I OCed mine (see sig) and it was easy. Punch in your CPU type with review and nearly all of them write about overclocking them. A good one will show a number of clock speeds. I picked the second highest stable one the reviewer tried to be safe with my skanky air cooled cluttered case.

Also, are you sure you can SLI with your mobo? I can only xfire (ATI version of SLI) with mine. :( However, Im going to fill up the spare slot with my current card when I upgrade so I can at least get the benifits of CUDA...
[quote name='Chukibu' post='1033039' date='Apr 3 2010, 06:38 AM']Your current system really isn't too bad, 480 would be a big improvement.



The absolute biggest setback when running 3D is your FPS, it's effectively halved. GPU has the largest effect on your FPS, so it's only logical that it should be your main priority if you want to run 3D. Of course that doesn't mean you should neglect the rest of your system if it's horribly out of date, but yours isn't, really.



I plan on getting a 480 also (Currently using a GTS 250 as my high end card pre-Nvidia Vision was an ATI, and the 250 just doesn't cut it)



Agreed.



Also as a previous poster said, look to overclocking your current CPU. I OCed mine (see sig) and it was easy. Punch in your CPU type with review and nearly all of them write about overclocking them. A good one will show a number of clock speeds. I picked the second highest stable one the reviewer tried to be safe with my skanky air cooled cluttered case.



Also, are you sure you can SLI with your mobo? I can only xfire (ATI version of SLI) with mine. :( However, Im going to fill up the spare slot with my current card when I upgrade so I can at least get the benifits of CUDA...

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#22
Posted 04/03/2010 08:17 AM   
Most games wont make use of anything past a dual core anyway. A good OC will help along side a good GPU upgrade.
Most games wont make use of anything past a dual core anyway. A good OC will help along side a good GPU upgrade.

#23
Posted 04/04/2010 02:50 AM   
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