New DLP 3D support? Samsung & Mitsubishi Stereo3D support???
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Both Samsung & Mitsubishi are now producing DLP 3D/Dual view hi-def tvs,
ex) WD57833, WD65833, WD73833; HLT5087S, HLT5687S, HLT6187S, etc.

I have been using the nVidia Stereo3D drivers and produced a hi-def 3D
video player, that works on hi refresh rate monitors, ex) Viewsonic G225.

In discussion with i-Glasses folks, who are selling compatabile LCD glasses,
they seem to think that the new 3D tvs do not use page-flipping, but some
"checkerboard" technique, for displaying 3D,
they are contracting with www.ddd.com to develop 3D software for them.

Questions:
1) Does the nVidia Stereo3D driver support the new DLP 3D tvs?
2) Has anyone seen, purchased, or developed software for the new DLP 3D tvs?
3) What is the input spec for the DLP 3D mode, ie) what video format
and refresh rate must the graphics card provide?
4) Is the 3D/Dual view mode accessible from both the PC and HDMI inputs?

Dennis
Both Samsung & Mitsubishi are now producing DLP 3D/Dual view hi-def tvs,

ex) WD57833, WD65833, WD73833; HLT5087S, HLT5687S, HLT6187S, etc.



I have been using the nVidia Stereo3D drivers and produced a hi-def 3D

video player, that works on hi refresh rate monitors, ex) Viewsonic G225.



In discussion with i-Glasses folks, who are selling compatabile LCD glasses,

they seem to think that the new 3D tvs do not use page-flipping, but some

"checkerboard" technique, for displaying 3D,

they are contracting with www.ddd.com to develop 3D software for them.



Questions:

1) Does the nVidia Stereo3D driver support the new DLP 3D tvs?

2) Has anyone seen, purchased, or developed software for the new DLP 3D tvs?

3) What is the input spec for the DLP 3D mode, ie) what video format

and refresh rate must the graphics card provide?

4) Is the 3D/Dual view mode accessible from both the PC and HDMI inputs?



Dennis

#1
Posted 08/24/2007 02:39 PM   
[quote name='dbritta1' date='Aug 24 2007, 06:39 AM']Both Samsung & Mitsubishi are now producing DLP 3D/Dual view hi-def tvs,
ex) WD57833, WD65833, WD73833; HLT5087S, HLT5687S, HLT6187S, etc.

I have been using the nVidia Stereo3D drivers and produced a hi-def 3D
video player, that works on hi refresh rate monitors, ex) Viewsonic G225.

In discussion with i-Glasses folks, who are selling compatabile LCD glasses,
they seem to think that the new 3D tvs do not use page-flipping, but some
"checkerboard" technique, for displaying 3D,
they are contracting with www.ddd.com to develop 3D software for them.

Questions:
1) Does the nVidia Stereo3D driver support the new DLP 3D tvs?
2) Has anyone seen, purchased, or developed software for the new DLP 3D tvs?
3) What is the input spec for the DLP 3D mode, ie) what video format
and refresh rate must the graphics card provide?
4) Is the 3D/Dual view mode accessible from both the PC and HDMI inputs?

Dennis
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[url="http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html"]http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html[/url]

PC requirements:

Dual Core processor
2GB of RAM
Graphics card capable of supporting 1080P output
3D viewing software (beta version) will be available September 3, 2007

With DDD's software, IOD's glasses and Samsung's 2007 line of DLP HDTV's you can play the latest HD video games, watch all of your favorite movies, and view your personal digital photos all in 3-D!

Allow yourself to be immersed in other worlds by enjoying the latest DirectX PC games in 3-D or, view your own world like never before by viewing web applications like Google Earth in 3-D.

You can also watch 3-D mastered DVD movies with the full three dimensional experience right in your own home! Even standard 2-D DVD movies can be viewed in 3-D in real time!

Finally you can even watch your own memories come to life as you enjoy your own home movie DVDs or view your personal digital photo collection like never before - in 3-D!
[quote name='dbritta1' date='Aug 24 2007, 06:39 AM']Both Samsung & Mitsubishi are now producing DLP 3D/Dual view hi-def tvs,

ex) WD57833, WD65833, WD73833; HLT5087S, HLT5687S, HLT6187S, etc.



I have been using the nVidia Stereo3D drivers and produced a hi-def 3D

video player, that works on hi refresh rate monitors, ex) Viewsonic G225.



In discussion with i-Glasses folks, who are selling compatabile LCD glasses,

they seem to think that the new 3D tvs do not use page-flipping, but some

"checkerboard" technique, for displaying 3D,

they are contracting with www.ddd.com to develop 3D software for them.



Questions:

1) Does the nVidia Stereo3D driver support the new DLP 3D tvs?

2) Has anyone seen, purchased, or developed software for the new DLP 3D tvs?

3) What is the input spec for the DLP 3D mode, ie) what video format

and refresh rate must the graphics card provide?

4) Is the 3D/Dual view mode accessible from both the PC and HDMI inputs?



Dennis

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http://www.i-glassesstore.com/dlp3d-wireless-2set.html



PC requirements:



Dual Core processor

2GB of RAM

Graphics card capable of supporting 1080P output

3D viewing software (beta version) will be available September 3, 2007



With DDD's software, IOD's glasses and Samsung's 2007 line of DLP HDTV's you can play the latest HD video games, watch all of your favorite movies, and view your personal digital photos all in 3-D!



Allow yourself to be immersed in other worlds by enjoying the latest DirectX PC games in 3-D or, view your own world like never before by viewing web applications like Google Earth in 3-D.



You can also watch 3-D mastered DVD movies with the full three dimensional experience right in your own home! Even standard 2-D DVD movies can be viewed in 3-D in real time!



Finally you can even watch your own memories come to life as you enjoy your own home movie DVDs or view your personal digital photo collection like never before - in 3-D!

#2
Posted 08/24/2007 03:34 PM   
Driver,

I knew this, and have already talked with i-Glasses tech folks.
Thanks for posting the link, others may find it useful.
The questions still stand, do the Stereo3D drivers support the new DLP 3D tvs?

Dennis
Driver,



I knew this, and have already talked with i-Glasses tech folks.

Thanks for posting the link, others may find it useful.

The questions still stand, do the Stereo3D drivers support the new DLP 3D tvs?



Dennis

#3
Posted 08/24/2007 04:30 PM   
[quote name='dbritta1' date='Aug 24 2007, 12:30 PM']Driver,

I knew this, and have already talked with i-Glasses tech folks.
Thanks for posting the link, others may find it useful.
The questions still stand, do the Stereo3D drivers support the new DLP 3D tvs?

Dennis
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Sad, but true. The current generation of Stereo3d drivers do NOT support the "checkerboard" 3d output necessary to drive these monitors. I currently own a Samsung HL-T6189S and the stereo3D is quite remarkable with the Stereoscopic Player from 3DTV.at which now supports 3D DLP. I am also in the process of testing the new beta software from DDD and will let you know how it goes. It sure is an exciting time watching 3D finally make its way into the mainstream!
PiXeL
[quote name='dbritta1' date='Aug 24 2007, 12:30 PM']Driver,



I knew this, and have already talked with i-Glasses tech folks.

Thanks for posting the link, others may find it useful.

The questions still stand, do the Stereo3D drivers support the new DLP 3D tvs?



Dennis

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Sad, but true. The current generation of Stereo3d drivers do NOT support the "checkerboard" 3d output necessary to drive these monitors. I currently own a Samsung HL-T6189S and the stereo3D is quite remarkable with the Stereoscopic Player from 3DTV.at which now supports 3D DLP. I am also in the process of testing the new beta software from DDD and will let you know how it goes. It sure is an exciting time watching 3D finally make its way into the mainstream!

PiXeL

#4
Posted 08/25/2007 02:49 AM   
Many answers to were found at:
[url="http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx"]http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx[/url]

I can code the checkerboard format,
before loading the graphics card,
page flipping is not required.

Dennis
Many answers to were found at:

http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx



I can code the checkerboard format,

before loading the graphics card,

page flipping is not required.



Dennis

#5
Posted 08/25/2007 11:02 PM   
Ya thats Cool they had a Small article about these HDTV's in Septembers Popular Mechanics magazine.
Ya thats Cool they had a Small article about these HDTV's in Septembers Popular Mechanics magazine.

Intel i5 7600K @ 4.8ghz / MSI Z270 SLI / Asus 1080GTX - 416.16 / Optoma HD142x Projector / 1 4'x10' Curved Screen PVC / TrackIR / HOTAS Cougar / Cougar MFD's / Track IR / NVidia 3D Vision / Win 10 64bit

#6
Posted 08/26/2007 01:14 PM   
First I want to say that these new DLP's are a great boon for 3D gaming and I think they're one of the best options on the market right now.

However, there are a few problems with their appoach which nobody seems to talk about (perhaps because real information is difficult to find). First of all, the television is not capable of 1920x1080p in 3D. Because it slices the left and right images into checkboard patterns, which the DLP chip rapidly wobulates, the actual PERCIEVED (don't buy the hype in their whitepaper) max 3D resolution is 960x1080p.

The second issue is that although the checkerboard pattern will indeed combine the left-right images, when 3D is enabled, you will see the gaps of the checkerboard pattern in both the left and right images (if you close one eye or the other), and these gaps also combine (in your brain) into an image of solid black.

So what is the effect of seeing both a 3d image and a black image at the same time? Well, actually it's not too bad, accourding to those who have tried it, but it will cut perceptual brightness in half, on top of the brightness losses due to the shutter glasses. I'm also wondering if seeing a giant black artifact would cause a headache, but nobody has reported anything like that yet so maybe not.

So it's not as cool as Samsung's website makes it out, but it certainly is awesome and a step in the right direction. I just want to get this information out there cause no one seems to talk about it.
First I want to say that these new DLP's are a great boon for 3D gaming and I think they're one of the best options on the market right now.



However, there are a few problems with their appoach which nobody seems to talk about (perhaps because real information is difficult to find). First of all, the television is not capable of 1920x1080p in 3D. Because it slices the left and right images into checkboard patterns, which the DLP chip rapidly wobulates, the actual PERCIEVED (don't buy the hype in their whitepaper) max 3D resolution is 960x1080p.



The second issue is that although the checkerboard pattern will indeed combine the left-right images, when 3D is enabled, you will see the gaps of the checkerboard pattern in both the left and right images (if you close one eye or the other), and these gaps also combine (in your brain) into an image of solid black.



So what is the effect of seeing both a 3d image and a black image at the same time? Well, actually it's not too bad, accourding to those who have tried it, but it will cut perceptual brightness in half, on top of the brightness losses due to the shutter glasses. I'm also wondering if seeing a giant black artifact would cause a headache, but nobody has reported anything like that yet so maybe not.



So it's not as cool as Samsung's website makes it out, but it certainly is awesome and a step in the right direction. I just want to get this information out there cause no one seems to talk about it.

#7
Posted 08/29/2007 09:05 PM   
Yea I saw a .pdf file with pictures about that, too. It seems to be a bit like interlaced/interleaved films/movies. I think it should work ok - maybe with half the resulution and the full performance loss.

But wasn't there anyone using this TV with Nvida's driver in Pageflipp mode? That would be the solution to the problem, if Nvidia keeps supporting S-3D...
Yea I saw a .pdf file with pictures about that, too. It seems to be a bit like interlaced/interleaved films/movies. I think it should work ok - maybe with half the resulution and the full performance loss.



But wasn't there anyone using this TV with Nvida's driver in Pageflipp mode? That would be the solution to the problem, if Nvidia keeps supporting S-3D...

#8
Posted 08/30/2007 04:20 PM   
[quote name='llamameat' date='Aug 29 2007, 05:05 PM']First I want to say that these new DLP's are a great boon for 3D gaming and I think they're one of the best options on the market right now.

However, there are a few problems with their appoach which nobody seems to talk about (perhaps because real information is difficult to find).  First of all, the television is not capable of 1920x1080p in 3D.  Because it slices the left and right images into checkboard patterns, which the DLP chip rapidly wobulates, the actual PERCIEVED (don't buy the hype in their whitepaper) max 3D resolution is 960x1080p.

The second issue is that although the checkerboard pattern will indeed combine the left-right images, when 3D is enabled, you will see the gaps of the checkerboard pattern in both the left and right images (if you close one eye or the other), and these gaps also combine (in your brain) into an image of solid black. 

So what is the effect of seeing both a 3d image and a black image at the same time?  Well, actually it's not too bad, accourding to those who have tried it, but it will cut perceptual brightness in half, on top of the brightness losses due to the shutter glasses.  I'm also wondering if seeing a giant black artifact would cause a headache, but nobody has reported anything like that yet so maybe not. 

So it's not as cool as Samsung's website makes it out, but it certainly is awesome and a step in the right direction.  I just want to get this information out there cause no one seems to talk about it.
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I will see if I can get some screenshots up later to illustrate the checkerboard pattern. The bottom line though is that it looks just as detailed from a resolution standpoint. Brightness really isn't an issue as this particulary set has incredible brightness and contrast ratio, so nothing a little digital vibrance and gamma can't fix.
PiXeL
[quote name='llamameat' date='Aug 29 2007, 05:05 PM']First I want to say that these new DLP's are a great boon for 3D gaming and I think they're one of the best options on the market right now.



However, there are a few problems with their appoach which nobody seems to talk about (perhaps because real information is difficult to find).  First of all, the television is not capable of 1920x1080p in 3D.  Because it slices the left and right images into checkboard patterns, which the DLP chip rapidly wobulates, the actual PERCIEVED (don't buy the hype in their whitepaper) max 3D resolution is 960x1080p.



The second issue is that although the checkerboard pattern will indeed combine the left-right images, when 3D is enabled, you will see the gaps of the checkerboard pattern in both the left and right images (if you close one eye or the other), and these gaps also combine (in your brain) into an image of solid black. 



So what is the effect of seeing both a 3d image and a black image at the same time?  Well, actually it's not too bad, accourding to those who have tried it, but it will cut perceptual brightness in half, on top of the brightness losses due to the shutter glasses.  I'm also wondering if seeing a giant black artifact would cause a headache, but nobody has reported anything like that yet so maybe not. 



So it's not as cool as Samsung's website makes it out, but it certainly is awesome and a step in the right direction.  I just want to get this information out there cause no one seems to talk about it.

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I will see if I can get some screenshots up later to illustrate the checkerboard pattern. The bottom line though is that it looks just as detailed from a resolution standpoint. Brightness really isn't an issue as this particulary set has incredible brightness and contrast ratio, so nothing a little digital vibrance and gamma can't fix.

PiXeL

#9
Posted 08/31/2007 07:28 PM   
I updated an identical topic over at MTBS3D


[url="http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=632"]http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=632[/url]

Check it out!

Pixel
I updated an identical topic over at MTBS3D





http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=632



Check it out!



Pixel

#10
Posted 09/02/2007 05:47 PM   
Any news on this?
Any news on this?

XPS M1710, 2Ghz, 1Gb RAM, Go 7900 GS.

#11
Posted 10/23/2007 02:01 PM   
[quote name='stereoviewer' date='Oct 23 2007, 10:01 AM']Any news on this?
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Hi, ED Has the Glasses for these TV's Now I am Not sure about a Driver but been hearing there is a Driver already???


[url="http://edimensional.com/product_info.php?cPath=999&products_id=127"]http://edimensional.com/product_info.php?c...products_id=127[/url]





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[quote name='stereoviewer' date='Oct 23 2007, 10:01 AM']Any news on this?

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Hi, ED Has the Glasses for these TV's Now I am Not sure about a Driver but been hearing there is a Driver already???





http://edimensional.com/product_info.php?c...products_id=127











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#12
Posted 11/08/2007 05:29 AM   
Hi,

which driver do you refer to ? the glasses do not need drivers since you connect them to the TV not to your PC - so the TV has a builtin electronics which makes running these glasses without drivers.

well if you mean drivers for the connected PC to output to checkerboard 3D that's something different. NVIDIA does not support this output yet, but third party drivers do as well as playing 3D videos with stereoscopic player.

greetings
Werner
Hi,



which driver do you refer to ? the glasses do not need drivers since you connect them to the TV not to your PC - so the TV has a builtin electronics which makes running these glasses without drivers.



well if you mean drivers for the connected PC to output to checkerboard 3D that's something different. NVIDIA does not support this output yet, but third party drivers do as well as playing 3D videos with stereoscopic player.



greetings

Werner

#13
Posted 11/08/2007 09:05 AM   
[quote name='wbloos' date='Nov 8 2007, 05:05 AM']Hi,

which driver do you refer to ? the glasses do not need drivers since you connect them to the TV not to your PC - so the TV has a builtin electronics which makes running these glasses without drivers.

well if you mean drivers for the connected PC to output to checkerboard 3D that's something different. NVIDIA does not support this output yet, but third party drivers do as well as playing 3D videos with stereoscopic player.

greetings
Werner
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Well from what I read you need a PC also:

Please note, Samsung and Mitsubishi DLP TV systems require a compatible media center PC with an HDMI interface. The minimum recommended computer specifications are:

Minimum 2GB RAM - but you know more is better.

Dual Core Processor

Media Center Graphics Processor with DVI or HDMI output (Nvidia 8000 or better or ATI 1300 or better).

so that would entale Drivers as well Please Read the link I gave ;)
[quote name='wbloos' date='Nov 8 2007, 05:05 AM']Hi,



which driver do you refer to ? the glasses do not need drivers since you connect them to the TV not to your PC - so the TV has a builtin electronics which makes running these glasses without drivers.



well if you mean drivers for the connected PC to output to checkerboard 3D that's something different. NVIDIA does not support this output yet, but third party drivers do as well as playing 3D videos with stereoscopic player.



greetings

Werner

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Well from what I read you need a PC also:



Please note, Samsung and Mitsubishi DLP TV systems require a compatible media center PC with an HDMI interface. The minimum recommended computer specifications are:



Minimum 2GB RAM - but you know more is better.



Dual Core Processor



Media Center Graphics Processor with DVI or HDMI output (Nvidia 8000 or better or ATI 1300 or better).



so that would entale Drivers as well Please Read the link I gave ;)

Intel i5 7600K @ 4.8ghz / MSI Z270 SLI / Asus 1080GTX - 416.16 / Optoma HD142x Projector / 1 4'x10' Curved Screen PVC / TrackIR / HOTAS Cougar / Cougar MFD's / Track IR / NVidia 3D Vision / Win 10 64bit

#14
Posted 11/09/2007 10:35 AM   
I found out how to display checkerboard pattern with Nvidia drivers - I need to test this first since I do not own a Samsung 3D DLP (yet) - If tests work fine I will post it here.

greetings
Werner
I found out how to display checkerboard pattern with Nvidia drivers - I need to test this first since I do not own a Samsung 3D DLP (yet) - If tests work fine I will post it here.



greetings

Werner

#15
Posted 11/14/2007 01:23 PM   
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