nVidia announces new 3DTV Play software
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I wonder what this means for the future of 3d Vision? /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />


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[i]NVIDIA today announced NVIDIA® 3DTV Play™ software technology that allows consumers to connect their GeForce® GPU-powered desktop or notebook computer to new 3D TVs, for the ultimate in big screen 3D gaming action. For the launch of 3DTV Play, NVIDIA is teaming up with Panasonic on its coast-to-coast 2010 "Panasonic Touch the Future Tour," where consumers can test drive 3DTV Play-based PCs running on the new Panasonic® VIERA® Full HD 3D TVs, that just launched this month.

3DTV Play software lets you connect any compatible NVIDIA GeForce GPU-powered PC or notebook to 3D TVs for the ultimate, high-definition, big-screen, 3D entertainment experience. By leveraging the processing power of NVIDIA GeForce GPUs, 3DTV Play software delivers the best the PC has to offer: play hundreds of standard PC games in stunning 3D environments such as World of Warcraft - Wrath of the Lich King, Battlefield Bad Company 2, and James Cameron's Avatarâ„¢: The Game. You can also watch upcoming Blu-ray 3Dâ„¢ Hollywood blockbusters, view digital 3D photographs, and even watch streaming 3D movies for the ultimate viewing party. The active-shutter glasses bundled with each VIERA full HD 3D TV sold work seamlessly with NVIDIA GPUs and off-the-shelf PC gaming titles and other 3D entertainment content.

Facts about NVIDIA 3DTV Play:

Can be run on GeForce GPU-based desktop or notebook PCs equipped with an HDMI or DVI connector
Full support for all HDMI 1.4-compatible 3D TVs, including Panasonic VIERA Plasma full HD 3D TVs

Enables 1080p24, 720p60, and 720p50 3D formats

Supports any type of 3D TV including active-shutter TV glasses or passive polarized glasses
Advanced NVIDIA software and graphics drivers automatically convert more than 400 games to stereoscopic 3D in real time, without the need for special patches.
Enjoy full HD Blu-ray 3D playback with real-time GPU accelerated decoding and playback on GeForce GPUs(1)
Watch streaming 3D movies
View 3D photographs directly on the 3D TV
NVIDIA 3DTV Play software will be available later this spring and sold separately with an anticipated U.S. MSRP of $39.99. [b]It will also be available for free for current NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢ customers[/b]. [/i]
I wonder what this means for the future of 3d Vision? /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' />





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NVIDIA today announced NVIDIA® 3DTV Play™ software technology that allows consumers to connect their GeForce® GPU-powered desktop or notebook computer to new 3D TVs, for the ultimate in big screen 3D gaming action. For the launch of 3DTV Play, NVIDIA is teaming up with Panasonic on its coast-to-coast 2010 "Panasonic Touch the Future Tour," where consumers can test drive 3DTV Play-based PCs running on the new Panasonic® VIERA® Full HD 3D TVs, that just launched this month.



3DTV Play software lets you connect any compatible NVIDIA GeForce GPU-powered PC or notebook to 3D TVs for the ultimate, high-definition, big-screen, 3D entertainment experience. By leveraging the processing power of NVIDIA GeForce GPUs, 3DTV Play software delivers the best the PC has to offer: play hundreds of standard PC games in stunning 3D environments such as World of Warcraft - Wrath of the Lich King, Battlefield Bad Company 2, and James Cameron's Avatarâ„¢: The Game. You can also watch upcoming Blu-ray 3Dâ„¢ Hollywood blockbusters, view digital 3D photographs, and even watch streaming 3D movies for the ultimate viewing party. The active-shutter glasses bundled with each VIERA full HD 3D TV sold work seamlessly with NVIDIA GPUs and off-the-shelf PC gaming titles and other 3D entertainment content.



Facts about NVIDIA 3DTV Play:



Can be run on GeForce GPU-based desktop or notebook PCs equipped with an HDMI or DVI connector

Full support for all HDMI 1.4-compatible 3D TVs, including Panasonic VIERA Plasma full HD 3D TVs



Enables 1080p24, 720p60, and 720p50 3D formats



Supports any type of 3D TV including active-shutter TV glasses or passive polarized glasses

Advanced NVIDIA software and graphics drivers automatically convert more than 400 games to stereoscopic 3D in real time, without the need for special patches.

Enjoy full HD Blu-ray 3D playback with real-time GPU accelerated decoding and playback on GeForce GPUs(1)

Watch streaming 3D movies

View 3D photographs directly on the 3D TV

NVIDIA 3DTV Play software will be available later this spring and sold separately with an anticipated U.S. MSRP of $39.99. It will also be available for free for current NVIDIA 3D Visionâ„¢ customers.

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#1
Posted 03/15/2010 01:38 PM   
If they drop support for 3D Vision in favour of this then I am going to rage.
If they drop support for 3D Vision in favour of this then I am going to rage.

#2
Posted 03/15/2010 02:04 PM   
In the short term, I think we're pretty safe. The 3d TVs coming from Samsung & Panasonic so far are cost prohibitive to all but the most dedicated tech enthusiasts and are not widely available yet. Looking ahead a couple years, though, I don't know how much sense it makes for nVidia to continue supporting 3d Vision which brings with it all the costs associated with manufacturing and distributing hardware AND coordinating with LCD manufacturers to produce monitors with the appropriate inputs/specs when they can just as easily sell a $40 software suite that will work with other 3d TVs and leave the manufacturing to the big electronics corps.

Over the long term, you'll probably find more people willing & able to spend $2000 on a 3d TV & $40 on some software to make their games work than spend $600+ on a 120Hz dedicated monitor & $200 on 3d Vision glasses, although there may be room in the market for both of them. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.
In the short term, I think we're pretty safe. The 3d TVs coming from Samsung & Panasonic so far are cost prohibitive to all but the most dedicated tech enthusiasts and are not widely available yet. Looking ahead a couple years, though, I don't know how much sense it makes for nVidia to continue supporting 3d Vision which brings with it all the costs associated with manufacturing and distributing hardware AND coordinating with LCD manufacturers to produce monitors with the appropriate inputs/specs when they can just as easily sell a $40 software suite that will work with other 3d TVs and leave the manufacturing to the big electronics corps.



Over the long term, you'll probably find more people willing & able to spend $2000 on a 3d TV & $40 on some software to make their games work than spend $600+ on a 120Hz dedicated monitor & $200 on 3d Vision glasses, although there may be room in the market for both of them. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

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#3
Posted 03/15/2010 02:25 PM   
Panasonic embeds an emitter into their TVs but uses different Infrared signals than nvidia to connect their TV to their glasses.
The nvidia driver can support these displays easily (the sync is performed by the display), but since nvidia doesn't make any money on the glasses (they are made by Panasonic) nvidia charges you 40$ if you want to use the driver. If you have nvidia glasses, then you'll be able to use this for free.
What I wonder is how nvidia managed to make their glasses work on the proprietary panasonic display.

The nvidia 3D driver is not free, this is not new (remember Zalman ? they paid nvidia to get their screen supported). Its just that nvidia adopts a business model similar to iZ3D, just with fancy brand names :
-anaglyph is like a free demo (brand : "nvidia Geforce 3D vision discover")
-nvidia 3D vision support for 3D vision supported displays (120Hz LCDs, DLP3D) is paid when you buy the 3D vision glasses+emitter package (brand :" nvidia geforce 3D vision")
-Zalman customers pay at the same time they buy the display (contract between Zalman and nvidia)
-Panasonic does not pay nvidia, so customers have to pay for the driver (brand : "nvidia 3DTV play")

EDIT :
Just read again the full press release this isn't just about panasonic, this is about all hdmi 1.4 3DTVs.
Panasonic embeds an emitter into their TVs but uses different Infrared signals than nvidia to connect their TV to their glasses.

The nvidia driver can support these displays easily (the sync is performed by the display), but since nvidia doesn't make any money on the glasses (they are made by Panasonic) nvidia charges you 40$ if you want to use the driver. If you have nvidia glasses, then you'll be able to use this for free.

What I wonder is how nvidia managed to make their glasses work on the proprietary panasonic display.



The nvidia 3D driver is not free, this is not new (remember Zalman ? they paid nvidia to get their screen supported). Its just that nvidia adopts a business model similar to iZ3D, just with fancy brand names :

-anaglyph is like a free demo (brand : "nvidia Geforce 3D vision discover")

-nvidia 3D vision support for 3D vision supported displays (120Hz LCDs, DLP3D) is paid when you buy the 3D vision glasses+emitter package (brand :" nvidia geforce 3D vision")

-Zalman customers pay at the same time they buy the display (contract between Zalman and nvidia)

-Panasonic does not pay nvidia, so customers have to pay for the driver (brand : "nvidia 3DTV play")



EDIT :

Just read again the full press release this isn't just about panasonic, this is about all hdmi 1.4 3DTVs.

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#4
Posted 03/15/2010 02:28 PM   
This is good news, so I'll keep my bag of Troll Flame sealed up and say [b][/b]thank you[b][/b].
This is good news, so I'll keep my bag of Troll Flame sealed up and say [/b]thank you[b].

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#5
Posted 03/15/2010 02:53 PM   
I don't really understand what this means for my VGA input only 3D Projector. Does this mean if I get a Blu-Ray drive for my PC, nVidia will provide software to make it work with 3D Vision?
I don't really understand what this means for my VGA input only 3D Projector. Does this mean if I get a Blu-Ray drive for my PC, nVidia will provide software to make it work with 3D Vision?

#6
Posted 03/15/2010 04:02 PM   
Good news. They are just expanding their market. This won't effect us at all, unless you plan on buying one of these mega expensive flat panels. Then it's good news. Im wondering if this, the Fermi launch, melting video cards, etc. has Nvidia a little overwhelmed at the moment. Im guessing that's why that have been so crap lately in getting us drivers.
Good news. They are just expanding their market. This won't effect us at all, unless you plan on buying one of these mega expensive flat panels. Then it's good news. Im wondering if this, the Fermi launch, melting video cards, etc. has Nvidia a little overwhelmed at the moment. Im guessing that's why that have been so crap lately in getting us drivers.

#7
Posted 03/15/2010 04:15 PM   
This new software solution is for all HDMI 1.4 enabled hardware (should also work on projectors with HDMI 1.4 and S3D support, not only for TVs), but you'll only get 720p at 60 frames per eye. 1080p is only at 24Hz which is enough just for Blu-ray 3D movies for example. So it is kind of like that - if you want to mostly watch 3D movies and 3D TV you'll prefer to go for a next-gen 3D-ready HDTV, and maybe if you are a console player (PS3). But if you are mostly into S3D gaming on a PC, then 3D Vision and a 120Hz display will be the better solution, although we still need to see bigger and better 3d-capable 120Hz panels...
This new software solution is for all HDMI 1.4 enabled hardware (should also work on projectors with HDMI 1.4 and S3D support, not only for TVs), but you'll only get 720p at 60 frames per eye. 1080p is only at 24Hz which is enough just for Blu-ray 3D movies for example. So it is kind of like that - if you want to mostly watch 3D movies and 3D TV you'll prefer to go for a next-gen 3D-ready HDTV, and maybe if you are a console player (PS3). But if you are mostly into S3D gaming on a PC, then 3D Vision and a 120Hz display will be the better solution, although we still need to see bigger and better 3d-capable 120Hz panels...

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#8
Posted 03/15/2010 04:36 PM   
This atleast explains why there aren't releasing profiles or 3d vision updates. Dev's are probably pretty busy creating a new cash cow :)
This atleast explains why there aren't releasing profiles or 3d vision updates. Dev's are probably pretty busy creating a new cash cow :)

#9
Posted 03/15/2010 04:42 PM   
I saw someone pointed out no VGA support from my thread at AVS:

[url="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1234349"]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1234349[/url]

"[i][/i]No VGA:

•Can be run on GeForce GPU-based desktop or notebook PCs equipped with an HDMI or DVI connector

[url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1268635315649.html""]http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1268635315649.html"[/url]
I saw someone pointed out no VGA support from my thread at AVS:



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1234349



"[i][/i]No VGA:



•Can be run on GeForce GPU-based desktop or notebook PCs equipped with an HDMI or DVI connector



http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1268635315649.html"

#10
Posted 03/15/2010 04:51 PM   
Oops double post.
Oops double post.

#11
Posted 03/15/2010 04:54 PM   
The 3DTV Play will most likely be the 3D Vision driver with video output support for the HDMI 1.4 stereoscopic 3D specifications, so we are probably going to get the same profiles as with 3D Vision and the same results, only on different display (bigger, but with lower resolution). The only good thing is at least it will not be so demanding for the video card in S3D mode... ;)
The 3DTV Play will most likely be the 3D Vision driver with video output support for the HDMI 1.4 stereoscopic 3D specifications, so we are probably going to get the same profiles as with 3D Vision and the same results, only on different display (bigger, but with lower resolution). The only good thing is at least it will not be so demanding for the video card in S3D mode... ;)

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#12
Posted 03/15/2010 04:56 PM   
I think 3D Vision is still safe but not forever. Currently the 3D TVs are extremely pricey and with 3D Vision Surround nVidia will continue to have a need to push and support 3D Vision in general. However, as I understand this new support from nVidia is just software that will allow 3D Content paired with the 3D TV and the shutter glasses and emitter that came with that TV. I think it signals that nVidia will eventually shift to just the software side of things and begin letting the TV manufacturers handle the emitter, glasses, and screen side of things. I can see after some time nVidia quits producing the 3D Vision glasses and emitter and all 3D TVs have a built in emitter and their own pair of glasses. It kind of makes more sense like this anyway. For example, each pair of glasses and emitters perfectly tweaked for the update (downward scanning as it is currently in LCDs thus the common top inch of the screen ghosting on LCDs but not present of DLPs) of the specific TV rather than one set trying to work with all of them.
I think 3D Vision is still safe but not forever. Currently the 3D TVs are extremely pricey and with 3D Vision Surround nVidia will continue to have a need to push and support 3D Vision in general. However, as I understand this new support from nVidia is just software that will allow 3D Content paired with the 3D TV and the shutter glasses and emitter that came with that TV. I think it signals that nVidia will eventually shift to just the software side of things and begin letting the TV manufacturers handle the emitter, glasses, and screen side of things. I can see after some time nVidia quits producing the 3D Vision glasses and emitter and all 3D TVs have a built in emitter and their own pair of glasses. It kind of makes more sense like this anyway. For example, each pair of glasses and emitters perfectly tweaked for the update (downward scanning as it is currently in LCDs thus the common top inch of the screen ghosting on LCDs but not present of DLPs) of the specific TV rather than one set trying to work with all of them.

#13
Posted 03/15/2010 05:36 PM   
[quote name='thejinx' post='1019713' date='Mar 15 2010, 06:53 AM']This is good news, so I'll keep my bag of Troll Flame sealed up and say [b][/b]thank you[b][/b].[/quote]


OMG, thats funny
[quote name='thejinx' post='1019713' date='Mar 15 2010, 06:53 AM']This is good news, so I'll keep my bag of Troll Flame sealed up and say [/b]thank you[b].





OMG, thats funny
#14
Posted 03/15/2010 06:45 PM   
The current NVIDIA 3D Vision-compatible cards pump out the necessary pixels over DisplayPort or dual DVI plugs, while the official spec for 3D TVs is an HDMI 1.4 plug that accepts data from both frames at once. It turns out NVIDIA's cards upgrade to 1.4 just fine, and all 3D Vision customers will be getting this as a free upgrade later this spring. I think Nvidia still knows that it will be some time before folks go out and buy a $3000 TV and that there still will be those folks who want to do 3D at their desktop.
The current NVIDIA 3D Vision-compatible cards pump out the necessary pixels over DisplayPort or dual DVI plugs, while the official spec for 3D TVs is an HDMI 1.4 plug that accepts data from both frames at once. It turns out NVIDIA's cards upgrade to 1.4 just fine, and all 3D Vision customers will be getting this as a free upgrade later this spring. I think Nvidia still knows that it will be some time before folks go out and buy a $3000 TV and that there still will be those folks who want to do 3D at their desktop.

#15
Posted 03/15/2010 07:35 PM   
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