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Hi every1

For last few days im trying to resolve some problems with bundled 2233RZ + Nvidia 3D vision. Problem is that i can see doubled images or lets say ghosts (maybe) in each game. For me its a lil bit unplayable with this kind of huge ghosting. It gets worse with every % of added depth. Lets say if depth is set to 15% i can see two pictures lil bit offset of original image on both sides (grayscale like normal ghosts). Sometimes theres only one of them but slightly darker. With every % of depth added, ghost images are going bit far away from each other. I did try a lot of things that i find on this forum. like change Convergence which did push those ghost images back to original image, but also did it somehow completely offset bottom of the screen with two images (3-5cm difference for each eye)
Which games did i tried:
WoW Wotlk: Best result. It was playable @ about 40% depth but only until i was in any bright scene.
Mirrors Edge: Even on minimal depth i can see every object little bit off set. @ about 50% buildnigs were there twice and really noticable
Burnout Paradise (Ultimate): @ minimal depth almost every object is projected to ghost 1-2cm
Farcry2: its the same :\ it somehow good @ minimum with lil ghosting but after 20% it gets bad.
etc.
I did try ghosting picture test which i did find here on forums. It looks like im @ 10% ghosting for black and white too.
When i try to get thru 3D vision setup wizard @ page where you need to close one eye i get a little bit bad picture for left eye. There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in 3 of those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is it lil bit better.
I did also try to change AA settings, frequency etc. but until now nothing worked out. I did try all kinds of reinstall even full system reinstall.
Any ideas what else should i try?
If it helps:
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Thx for any ideas
Hi every1



For last few days im trying to resolve some problems with bundled 2233RZ + Nvidia 3D vision. Problem is that i can see doubled images or lets say ghosts (maybe) in each game. For me its a lil bit unplayable with this kind of huge ghosting. It gets worse with every % of added depth. Lets say if depth is set to 15% i can see two pictures lil bit offset of original image on both sides (grayscale like normal ghosts). Sometimes theres only one of them but slightly darker. With every % of depth added, ghost images are going bit far away from each other. I did try a lot of things that i find on this forum. like change Convergence which did push those ghost images back to original image, but also did it somehow completely offset bottom of the screen with two images (3-5cm difference for each eye)

Which games did i tried:

WoW Wotlk: Best result. It was playable @ about 40% depth but only until i was in any bright scene.

Mirrors Edge: Even on minimal depth i can see every object little bit off set. @ about 50% buildnigs were there twice and really noticable

Burnout Paradise (Ultimate): @ minimal depth almost every object is projected to ghost 1-2cm

Farcry2: its the same :\ it somehow good @ minimum with lil ghosting but after 20% it gets bad.

etc.

I did try ghosting picture test which i did find here on forums. It looks like im @ 10% ghosting for black and white too.

When i try to get thru 3D vision setup wizard @ page where you need to close one eye i get a little bit bad picture for left eye. There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in 3 of those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is it lil bit better.

I did also try to change AA settings, frequency etc. but until now nothing worked out. I did try all kinds of reinstall even full system reinstall.

Any ideas what else should i try?

If it helps:

Q6600 @ 3.18

4GB RAM Corsair @ 888

Geforce GTX295

MB: P5W Deluxe

SB X-Fi Progamer

Vista x64 SP1

Thx for any ideas

#1
Posted 05/15/2009 01:53 PM   
[quote name='icikk' post='541487' date='May 15 2009, 08:53 AM']When i try to get thru 3D vision setup wizard @ page where you need to close one eye i get a little bit bad picture for left eye. There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in 3 of those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is it lil bit better.[/quote]

You have defective equipment if the above quote is the case.
[quote name='icikk' post='541487' date='May 15 2009, 08:53 AM']When i try to get thru 3D vision setup wizard @ page where you need to close one eye i get a little bit bad picture for left eye. There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in 3 of those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is it lil bit better.



You have defective equipment if the above quote is the case.

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#2
Posted 05/15/2009 02:17 PM   
Hey!
Just copy the same text I put in another thread as we have the same ugly issues :(

I have the exact same problem with ghosting and I send back my first glasses, RMA and did get the new pair yesterday and this pair is even worse. damn nVidia what is this crap
In ever game no matter what depht, convergence setting its ghosting town. as you said when one alter the convergence so the character come in sync then the whole background distant objects begin to ghost insteed!

So I wondering if these my second pair of glasses are faulty to, it seem like that as they are even worse then the first pair. I really beging to hate that I even bought it in the first place. seems it's only trouble and how in the
world do nVidia think people can play with all this ghosting.

BTW, When you try to get thru the 3D vision setup wizard do you also see double piture in the first line when you close the left eye ?
There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in all those those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is's it little bit better but I can slightly see
a siluette of the hexangle also in the first line but nothing at all in the second and third line!

And what SpyderCanopus say we have faulty glasses. my second pair as my first had problems to and the same frikking overlap off hexagonals and triangles. this is just to bad!
Hey!

Just copy the same text I put in another thread as we have the same ugly issues :(



I have the exact same problem with ghosting and I send back my first glasses, RMA and did get the new pair yesterday and this pair is even worse. damn nVidia what is this crap

In ever game no matter what depht, convergence setting its ghosting town. as you said when one alter the convergence so the character come in sync then the whole background distant objects begin to ghost insteed!



So I wondering if these my second pair of glasses are faulty to, it seem like that as they are even worse then the first pair. I really beging to hate that I even bought it in the first place. seems it's only trouble and how in the

world do nVidia think people can play with all this ghosting.



BTW, When you try to get thru the 3D vision setup wizard do you also see double piture in the first line when you close the left eye ?

There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in all those those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is's it little bit better but I can slightly see

a siluette of the hexangle also in the first line but nothing at all in the second and third line!



And what SpyderCanopus say we have faulty glasses. my second pair as my first had problems to and the same frikking overlap off hexagonals and triangles. this is just to bad!

#3
Posted 05/16/2009 10:06 AM   
what would be really advantageous for all of us, IMO, would be for nvidia to give us some indication what "normal" ghosting and blinking/flashing would be so we would have some basis for comparison.
what would be really advantageous for all of us, IMO, would be for nvidia to give us some indication what "normal" ghosting and blinking/flashing would be so we would have some basis for comparison.

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#4
Posted 05/16/2009 02:16 PM   
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='541855' date='May 16 2009, 04:16 PM']what would be really advantageous for all of us, IMO, would be for nvidia to give us some indication what "normal" ghosting and blinking/flashing would be so we would have some basis for comparison.[/quote]

Yeah true that would be a good gesture and one thing they owe us for splashing out cash for things with such much faults!

BTW, do you see the things I describe when you setup your 3d vision in the wizard ?
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='541855' date='May 16 2009, 04:16 PM']what would be really advantageous for all of us, IMO, would be for nvidia to give us some indication what "normal" ghosting and blinking/flashing would be so we would have some basis for comparison.



Yeah true that would be a good gesture and one thing they owe us for splashing out cash for things with such much faults!



BTW, do you see the things I describe when you setup your 3d vision in the wizard ?

#5
Posted 05/16/2009 02:24 PM   
I had the impression that ghosting rejection would be fine with nvidia approved monitors... o.O
Anyway: I believe most issues regarding ghosting is probably mostly on the monitors side.
I have an iz3d which originally ghosts a tad but new glasses definitely makes way to a way greater experience. :)
Since they're also the only ones (except ddd) providing drivers for my passive rig it makes the choice easy for my concern.

However: I still would like to say: If you experience ghosting with nvidias 3d-vision it, (in those cases there are no fault at hardwares) has to do with the monitors. Make sure you have a monitor that is proven to be compatible with nvidia and if ghosting still is present as a problem then the list of compatible monitors needs to be revised.
I had the impression that ghosting rejection would be fine with nvidia approved monitors... o.O

Anyway: I believe most issues regarding ghosting is probably mostly on the monitors side.

I have an iz3d which originally ghosts a tad but new glasses definitely makes way to a way greater experience. :)

Since they're also the only ones (except ddd) providing drivers for my passive rig it makes the choice easy for my concern.



However: I still would like to say: If you experience ghosting with nvidias 3d-vision it, (in those cases there are no fault at hardwares) has to do with the monitors. Make sure you have a monitor that is proven to be compatible with nvidia and if ghosting still is present as a problem then the list of compatible monitors needs to be revised.

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#6
Posted 05/16/2009 02:52 PM   
The ugly ghosting im talking about is cross talk aka it's even there when im standing still. all the time and thats the freaky glasses fault and this is the second pair I have.
I dont know im starting to feel this is crap and shouldent ever have been realeased in this state, so many ppl have the same fault uuh.
The ugly ghosting im talking about is cross talk aka it's even there when im standing still. all the time and thats the freaky glasses fault and this is the second pair I have.

I dont know im starting to feel this is crap and shouldent ever have been realeased in this state, so many ppl have the same fault uuh.

#7
Posted 05/16/2009 02:58 PM   
Thanks for all answers. So it looks like i have a faulty product so i will try to change it and hopefully it will be ok.

[quote name='PixelPerfect' post='541791' date='May 16 2009, 12:06 PM']BTW, When you try to get thru the 3D vision setup wizard do you also see double piture in the first line when you close the left eye ?
There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in all those those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is's it little bit better but I can slightly see
a siluette of the hexangle also in the first line but nothing at all in the second and third line!

And what SpyderCanopus say we have faulty glasses. my second pair as my first had problems to and the same frikking overlap off hexagonals and triangles. this is just to bad![/quote]

Yup thats just what im expiriencing.
Thanks for all answers. So it looks like i have a faulty product so i will try to change it and hopefully it will be ok.



[quote name='PixelPerfect' post='541791' date='May 16 2009, 12:06 PM']BTW, When you try to get thru the 3D vision setup wizard do you also see double piture in the first line when you close the left eye ?

There are 3 lines with Hexangles. At first line i see a little bit of triangle in all those those hexangles. Second and third line is ok. For the right eye is's it little bit better but I can slightly see

a siluette of the hexangle also in the first line but nothing at all in the second and third line!



And what SpyderCanopus say we have faulty glasses. my second pair as my first had problems to and the same frikking overlap off hexagonals and triangles. this is just to bad!



Yup thats just what im expiriencing.

#8
Posted 05/17/2009 10:07 AM   
[quote name='icikk' post='542171' date='May 17 2009, 12:07 PM']Thanks for all answers. So it looks like i have a faulty product so i will try to change it and hopefully it will be ok.



Yup thats just what im expiriencing.[/quote]

Well I actually belive that is a think we can all see, was talking with Spyder here and he was nice to check out the wizard once again and he COULD also see these overlap, crossover in the wizard!
So that may not be a problem if what you can see there is just a faint ghost image and not the whole diferent object with colours ?
It should just be a very faint silhouette in the first raw of lines I think!

But the problem you descibe in games seems true to what I also get. so you do that RMA it cant hurt I guess :)
[quote name='icikk' post='542171' date='May 17 2009, 12:07 PM']Thanks for all answers. So it looks like i have a faulty product so i will try to change it and hopefully it will be ok.







Yup thats just what im expiriencing.



Well I actually belive that is a think we can all see, was talking with Spyder here and he was nice to check out the wizard once again and he COULD also see these overlap, crossover in the wizard!

So that may not be a problem if what you can see there is just a faint ghost image and not the whole diferent object with colours ?

It should just be a very faint silhouette in the first raw of lines I think!



But the problem you descibe in games seems true to what I also get. so you do that RMA it cant hurt I guess :)

#9
Posted 05/17/2009 10:15 AM   
[quote name='PixelPerfect' post='541860' date='May 16 2009, 10:24 AM']Yeah true that would be a good gesture and one thing they owe us for splashing out cash for things with such much faults!

BTW, do you see the things I describe when you setup your 3d vision in the wizard ?[/quote]

No, not in the setup screen. I do get some ghosting, worse in some games than in others, but nothing I can't either correct with adjustments or live with. It's the blinking I can't figure out.
[quote name='PixelPerfect' post='541860' date='May 16 2009, 10:24 AM']Yeah true that would be a good gesture and one thing they owe us for splashing out cash for things with such much faults!



BTW, do you see the things I describe when you setup your 3d vision in the wizard ?



No, not in the setup screen. I do get some ghosting, worse in some games than in others, but nothing I can't either correct with adjustments or live with. It's the blinking I can't figure out.

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#10
Posted 05/17/2009 01:59 PM   
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='542220' date='May 17 2009, 03:59 PM']No, not in the setup screen. I do get some ghosting, worse in some games than in others, but nothing I can't either correct with adjustments or live with. It's the blinking I can't figure out.[/quote]

Are you absolutely sure of that?
Please check again, and if you look really careful, say with the right eye closed, its with the left eye I can see it most clearly. It's just a slight shade of the other object in the first line. Can see nothing overlapping in the other set of lines!
To bad about the blinking thou, I have had luck with that and have seen none at all!
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='542220' date='May 17 2009, 03:59 PM']No, not in the setup screen. I do get some ghosting, worse in some games than in others, but nothing I can't either correct with adjustments or live with. It's the blinking I can't figure out.



Are you absolutely sure of that?

Please check again, and if you look really careful, say with the right eye closed, its with the left eye I can see it most clearly. It's just a slight shade of the other object in the first line. Can see nothing overlapping in the other set of lines!

To bad about the blinking thou, I have had luck with that and have seen none at all!

#11
Posted 05/17/2009 04:05 PM   
Ok so is this ghosting feature?

I see that separation is not perfect in test image with triangles and hexagonals there is different color in the inclusion.

Can it be fixed by changing delay registry?
Ok so is this ghosting feature?



I see that separation is not perfect in test image with triangles and hexagonals there is different color in the inclusion.



Can it be fixed by changing delay registry?

#12
Posted 05/17/2009 04:31 PM   
[quote name='Trek' post='542253' date='May 17 2009, 06:31 PM']Ok so is this ghosting feature?

I see that separation is not perfect in test image with triangles and hexagonals there is different color in the inclusion.

Can it be fixed by changing delay registry?[/quote]

Dont know actually and dont think so as it seems everyone can see slight shade of the other object. I can see it most with my left eye I as I said. just a little shade of the triangle in the hexagon and ONLY in the first set of lines!
Same for you I guess so no overlap in the other set of lines, correct ?
[quote name='Trek' post='542253' date='May 17 2009, 06:31 PM']Ok so is this ghosting feature?



I see that separation is not perfect in test image with triangles and hexagonals there is different color in the inclusion.



Can it be fixed by changing delay registry?



Dont know actually and dont think so as it seems everyone can see slight shade of the other object. I can see it most with my left eye I as I said. just a little shade of the triangle in the hexagon and ONLY in the first set of lines!

Same for you I guess so no overlap in the other set of lines, correct ?

#13
Posted 05/17/2009 04:54 PM   
I see it only in inclusion so inside hexagonal there is imprinted triangle with slightly different color, I see it with both eyes, i.e. on both images (in the second there is imprinted hexagonal in the triangle).

This is in the first line but i guess if I try hard I see it in the second line too.

In nvidia test I see in the bottom left small logo ghosting but not very visible.

I do not know what to think about this I am confused now.

Because I have the second kit the first I had to RMA because of bad lcd pixels BUT what I am not sure in the first kit there was no ghosting in the wizard image (but not 100% sure).
I see it only in inclusion so inside hexagonal there is imprinted triangle with slightly different color, I see it with both eyes, i.e. on both images (in the second there is imprinted hexagonal in the triangle).



This is in the first line but i guess if I try hard I see it in the second line too.



In nvidia test I see in the bottom left small logo ghosting but not very visible.



I do not know what to think about this I am confused now.



Because I have the second kit the first I had to RMA because of bad lcd pixels BUT what I am not sure in the first kit there was no ghosting in the wizard image (but not 100% sure).

#14
Posted 05/17/2009 05:08 PM   
Okey then it seems the glasses show the same as for me, but I can not see any overlaping in say the second line how hard I try.
In the nVidia test I can see some ghosting in the upper side of screen but I am not sure if I got that with the first pair of glasses.

BTW, this is my second kit to, have said in several threads here that my monitor crash and dident went on. and with this new pair of glasses the ghosting/crosstalk is even worse as I also said earlier.
You seem to have the same problems to and dont know how many has. seems to a very much here atleast.

But my monitor seems fine so I will just RMA my glasses and hope dearly that the 3'd pair will be good enough!
We all know this is new tech but it dont feels to good that it's so much problem one can call us pretty pissed off me atleast :(
Okey then it seems the glasses show the same as for me, but I can not see any overlaping in say the second line how hard I try.

In the nVidia test I can see some ghosting in the upper side of screen but I am not sure if I got that with the first pair of glasses.



BTW, this is my second kit to, have said in several threads here that my monitor crash and dident went on. and with this new pair of glasses the ghosting/crosstalk is even worse as I also said earlier.

You seem to have the same problems to and dont know how many has. seems to a very much here atleast.



But my monitor seems fine so I will just RMA my glasses and hope dearly that the 3'd pair will be good enough!

We all know this is new tech but it dont feels to good that it's so much problem one can call us pretty pissed off me atleast :(

#15
Posted 05/17/2009 05:50 PM   
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