Using dominant eye to replace laser sight Horizontal offset, other ideas?
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I have to add that not everybody has a dominant eye though. The shift function of the iz3d driver helps heaps when either the lasersight eats too much performance or isn't working properly. Since i don't have a dominant eye i just close one eye while aiming. Playing a whole game like that destroys the whole point of playing in 3d though.
I have to add that not everybody has a dominant eye though. The shift function of the iz3d driver helps heaps when either the lasersight eats too much performance or isn't working properly. Since i don't have a dominant eye i just close one eye while aiming. Playing a whole game like that destroys the whole point of playing in 3d though.

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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe

Cpu: C2D E6600

Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX

3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D

Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.

#31
Posted 11/14/2010 11:19 PM   
I have to add that not everybody has a dominant eye though. The shift function of the iz3d driver helps heaps when either the lasersight eats too much performance or isn't working properly. Since i don't have a dominant eye i just close one eye while aiming. Playing a whole game like that destroys the whole point of playing in 3d though.
I have to add that not everybody has a dominant eye though. The shift function of the iz3d driver helps heaps when either the lasersight eats too much performance or isn't working properly. Since i don't have a dominant eye i just close one eye while aiming. Playing a whole game like that destroys the whole point of playing in 3d though.

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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe

Cpu: C2D E6600

Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX

3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D

Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.

#32
Posted 11/14/2010 11:19 PM   
Definately, quadro 3d branch isnt undermanned ,just 3d vision seems to be a small small subset of quadro stuff. And I dont beleive they want to expand , so, PITA or not Im eyeing with AMD stuff /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' /> . Definately keeping my G92 though. /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':happy:' />
Definately, quadro 3d branch isnt undermanned ,just 3d vision seems to be a small small subset of quadro stuff. And I dont beleive they want to expand , so, PITA or not Im eyeing with AMD stuff /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' /> . Definately keeping my G92 though. /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':happy:' />

#33
Posted 11/15/2010 12:42 AM   
Definately, quadro 3d branch isnt undermanned ,just 3d vision seems to be a small small subset of quadro stuff. And I dont beleive they want to expand , so, PITA or not Im eyeing with AMD stuff /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' /> . Definately keeping my G92 though. /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':happy:' />
Definately, quadro 3d branch isnt undermanned ,just 3d vision seems to be a small small subset of quadro stuff. And I dont beleive they want to expand , so, PITA or not Im eyeing with AMD stuff /wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' /> . Definately keeping my G92 though. /happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':happy:' />

#34
Posted 11/15/2010 12:42 AM   
I could really use this in a lot more than FPS games. Any game where you need to click on a 3D object that isn't very close to screen depth becomes a major pain. (For instance, trying to click on an enemy to target in Dragon Age.)

Another possibility would be a 3D pointer that automatically goes to the depth of the first object under it. I think I might like that better! Though most pointers seem to be drawn by the game itself, which means the game is probably going to have to do this, not the drivers.
I could really use this in a lot more than FPS games. Any game where you need to click on a 3D object that isn't very close to screen depth becomes a major pain. (For instance, trying to click on an enemy to target in Dragon Age.)



Another possibility would be a 3D pointer that automatically goes to the depth of the first object under it. I think I might like that better! Though most pointers seem to be drawn by the game itself, which means the game is probably going to have to do this, not the drivers.

#35
Posted 11/15/2010 02:56 AM   
I could really use this in a lot more than FPS games. Any game where you need to click on a 3D object that isn't very close to screen depth becomes a major pain. (For instance, trying to click on an enemy to target in Dragon Age.)

Another possibility would be a 3D pointer that automatically goes to the depth of the first object under it. I think I might like that better! Though most pointers seem to be drawn by the game itself, which means the game is probably going to have to do this, not the drivers.
I could really use this in a lot more than FPS games. Any game where you need to click on a 3D object that isn't very close to screen depth becomes a major pain. (For instance, trying to click on an enemy to target in Dragon Age.)



Another possibility would be a 3D pointer that automatically goes to the depth of the first object under it. I think I might like that better! Though most pointers seem to be drawn by the game itself, which means the game is probably going to have to do this, not the drivers.

#36
Posted 11/15/2010 02:56 AM   
Chaps, if you'd like to join me in campaign of bombarding the Nvidia tech support forums with this issue something might get done.
I already have such a thread open on the helpdesk.

Get cracking.
Chaps, if you'd like to join me in campaign of bombarding the Nvidia tech support forums with this issue something might get done.

I already have such a thread open on the helpdesk.



Get cracking.

#37
Posted 11/24/2010 02:58 PM   
Chaps, if you'd like to join me in campaign of bombarding the Nvidia tech support forums with this issue something might get done.
I already have such a thread open on the helpdesk.

Get cracking.
Chaps, if you'd like to join me in campaign of bombarding the Nvidia tech support forums with this issue something might get done.

I already have such a thread open on the helpdesk.



Get cracking.

#38
Posted 11/24/2010 02:58 PM   
I'm totally in.
This is just incredible Nvidia doesn't make an effort about that. WTF ??!
I'm totally in.

This is just incredible Nvidia doesn't make an effort about that. WTF ??!

#39
Posted 01/18/2011 01:41 PM   
[quote name='subwoofa' date='22 October 2007 - 08:31 PM' timestamp='1193085096' post='268332']
I believe YoZJ has correctly demonstrated the concept (Thanks, YoZJ!) You can see that he is clearly aiming at his target using the left image (right eye). This is exactly how you would aim in real life, through a scope or iron sights. No laser sight is necessary.

However, I can't tell if the implementation is ideal. Is he reorienting only the weapon, or modifying the line-of-sight? If he is reorienting the weapon and shifting the scope's crosshair texture, then it will only work on that one game. If he is modifying the line-of-sight, then I believe this could be a general solution for all games if it were integrated into the stereo driver.

Here is Babel's translation of a portion of his post:


(By the way, Babel's translation of Качаем is "we rock". Yes, we do!)
[/quote]

I totally Agree to what you are saying: this is the major problem we face when it comes to playing games in 3D. Lasersight does not work in all games and it can make games run very slow:

The crosshair issue is the main reason why we may not be able to play some of the games which run fine in 3D but only have the crosshair issue:

And your concept of aiming with just right eye is 100% correct:

Actually, when I used 3D for the first time, I closed my left eye and aimed+shot [Aimed with just the right eye]: but the bullets were not hitting the target. I tried with the left eye, but saw same result. With two eyes, there were two crosshairs and the bullets were hitting in the middle: I finally figured out that this was the crosshair issue when using 3D and that I have to use lasersight.

I think Nvidia should give users the option to play normally with two eye aim [given that there are no two crosshair issue : ) ] Or users can choose to aim with just the right eye.
[quote name='subwoofa' date='22 October 2007 - 08:31 PM' timestamp='1193085096' post='268332']

I believe YoZJ has correctly demonstrated the concept (Thanks, YoZJ!) You can see that he is clearly aiming at his target using the left image (right eye). This is exactly how you would aim in real life, through a scope or iron sights. No laser sight is necessary.



However, I can't tell if the implementation is ideal. Is he reorienting only the weapon, or modifying the line-of-sight? If he is reorienting the weapon and shifting the scope's crosshair texture, then it will only work on that one game. If he is modifying the line-of-sight, then I believe this could be a general solution for all games if it were integrated into the stereo driver.



Here is Babel's translation of a portion of his post:





(By the way, Babel's translation of Качаем is "we rock". Yes, we do!)





I totally Agree to what you are saying: this is the major problem we face when it comes to playing games in 3D. Lasersight does not work in all games and it can make games run very slow:



The crosshair issue is the main reason why we may not be able to play some of the games which run fine in 3D but only have the crosshair issue:



And your concept of aiming with just right eye is 100% correct:



Actually, when I used 3D for the first time, I closed my left eye and aimed+shot [Aimed with just the right eye]: but the bullets were not hitting the target. I tried with the left eye, but saw same result. With two eyes, there were two crosshairs and the bullets were hitting in the middle: I finally figured out that this was the crosshair issue when using 3D and that I have to use lasersight.



I think Nvidia should give users the option to play normally with two eye aim [given that there are no two crosshair issue : ) ] Or users can choose to aim with just the right eye.

#40
Posted 01/18/2011 02:46 PM   
BUMP!
BUMP!

#41
Posted 03/13/2011 07:26 PM   
Transcript of Nvidia live support conversation follows, let me know your thoughts guys:



Sanjib: Hi, my name is Sanjib. How may I help you?
Poacher64: Hi there, I'm looking a response to the question posed in this thread on Nvidia forums : http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=185945
Poacher64: ?
Sanjib: Please let me know the graphics card and the OS that you are using
Poacher64: GTX 470 and Win 7 64 bit
Sanjib: Are you using NVIDIA 3D Vision kit?
Sanjib: Please let me know the driver version that you have installed?
Poacher64: I've got a 3DTV arriving tomorrow so will be purchasing 3d vision play
Poacher64: and it's the latest Nvidia driver
Sanjib: Okay, the issue that you are experiencing is only with COD:black Ops, correct?
Sanjib: or all the games?
Poacher64: all games
Sanjib: So right now, you are using 3D Discover glasses? correct?
Poacher64: yeah
Sanjib: Have you updated the recent patches of the game?
Poacher64: yep
Poacher64: also found this thread on forums which is relevant: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19019
Sanjib: Okay, please give me two minutes to check if there is any such known issue.
Poacher64: sure thing
Sanjib: Okay, please be informed once you installed the 3D TV play software.
Sanjib: Or NVIDIA 3D Stereoscopic drivers
Sanjib: You will get a option in the in the NVIDIA control Panel called Set up streoscopic 3D.
Sanjib: Once you click on Set up streoscopic 3D, you will get a option called, change 3D laser sight.
Poacher64: so there's no way to change the eye alignment?
Sanjib: Eye Alignment can be changed through "3D laser sight" from the NVIDIA control panel
Poacher64: so can I do that with 3d vision Discover?
Sanjib: I am sorry Poacher, for that you need to have a NVIDIA 3D Vision kit.
Poacher64: okay, but it definitely can be done with 3d tv play then?
Sanjib: http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/889/driver_control.jpg
Sanjib: Please check the above weblink for more information
Poacher64: that doesnt have anything about eye alignment - just laser sight...
Sanjib: That is used for Crosshair target
Poacher64: yeah I'm talking about in game iron sights and changing the camera alignment like IZ 3D's drivers can do I get the laser sight option in 3d vision discover
Sanjib: I am sorry, 3D Vision discover doesnot install any drivers.
Sanjib: It is not possible with 3D Vision discover
Poacher64: okay so I can definitely change the camera alignment with 3d tv play drivers then?
Poacher64: ?
Poacher64: let me show you a screenshot of what I mean...
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Poacher64: circled in red is the feature I am interested in.
Sanjib: Yes, can you send me a screenshot of the game, that it looked like?
Poacher64: basically what it does is it shifts the camera positions to the left or right so that you can have the centre of the image (crosshair or ingame iron sights) aligned to either your left eye, right eye or centre (which is the default setting on nvidia)
Poacher64: i can only take screenshots in anaglyph for now which will make it unclear
Poacher64: the issue is simply that the in-game 3d sights don't line up correctly because the camera is either side of the centre of the screen so it's like trying to aim with a gun held to the centre of your face
Poacher64: http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?showtopic=513 see this thread for screenshots
Poacher64: http://www.shacknews.com/article/66552/call-of-duty-black-ops the second video down highlights the problem perfectly
Poacher64: do you see what i mean?
Poacher64: ?
Sanjib: I am sorry for the delay in replying.
Sanjib: I checked my supervisior, After installing the 3D TV play software you will be able to use this feature
Sanjib: NVIDIA 3D Vision discover glasses is not so good
Poacher64: okay, so if I go ahead and buy 3d tv play and find that it doesn't have this feature I'll get a refund, right?
Poacher64: ?
Sanjib: What i will recommend you is to download the 14 day trial version of 3D TV play software first
Poacher64: okay
Sanjib: simply download the 3DTV Play Activation Utility to enable a 14 day trial.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-activate.html
Poacher64: ok. thanks.
Sanjib: Your welcome.
Sanjib: But, remember, 3D TV play will work only with the Glasses provided by your TV manufacturer and a compatible 3D TV.
Transcript of Nvidia live support conversation follows, let me know your thoughts guys:







Sanjib: Hi, my name is Sanjib. How may I help you?

Poacher64: Hi there, I'm looking a response to the question posed in this thread on Nvidia forums : http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=185945

Poacher64: ?

Sanjib: Please let me know the graphics card and the OS that you are using

Poacher64: GTX 470 and Win 7 64 bit

Sanjib: Are you using NVIDIA 3D Vision kit?

Sanjib: Please let me know the driver version that you have installed?

Poacher64: I've got a 3DTV arriving tomorrow so will be purchasing 3d vision play

Poacher64: and it's the latest Nvidia driver

Sanjib: Okay, the issue that you are experiencing is only with COD:black Ops, correct?

Sanjib: or all the games?

Poacher64: all games

Sanjib: So right now, you are using 3D Discover glasses? correct?

Poacher64: yeah

Sanjib: Have you updated the recent patches of the game?

Poacher64: yep

Poacher64: also found this thread on forums which is relevant: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=19019

Sanjib: Okay, please give me two minutes to check if there is any such known issue.

Poacher64: sure thing

Sanjib: Okay, please be informed once you installed the 3D TV play software.

Sanjib: Or NVIDIA 3D Stereoscopic drivers

Sanjib: You will get a option in the in the NVIDIA control Panel called Set up streoscopic 3D.

Sanjib: Once you click on Set up streoscopic 3D, you will get a option called, change 3D laser sight.

Poacher64: so there's no way to change the eye alignment?

Sanjib: Eye Alignment can be changed through "3D laser sight" from the NVIDIA control panel

Poacher64: so can I do that with 3d vision Discover?

Sanjib: I am sorry Poacher, for that you need to have a NVIDIA 3D Vision kit.

Poacher64: okay, but it definitely can be done with 3d tv play then?

Sanjib: http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/889/driver_control.jpg

Sanjib: Please check the above weblink for more information

Poacher64: that doesnt have anything about eye alignment - just laser sight...

Sanjib: That is used for Crosshair target

Poacher64: yeah I'm talking about in game iron sights and changing the camera alignment like IZ 3D's drivers can do I get the laser sight option in 3d vision discover

Sanjib: I am sorry, 3D Vision discover doesnot install any drivers.

Sanjib: It is not possible with 3D Vision discover

Poacher64: okay so I can definitely change the camera alignment with 3d tv play drivers then?

Poacher64: ?

Poacher64: let me show you a screenshot of what I mean...

File attachment upload has started.

The file IZ3D separation.jpg (93.32KB) was received.

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Poacher64: circled in red is the feature I am interested in.

Sanjib: Yes, can you send me a screenshot of the game, that it looked like?

Poacher64: basically what it does is it shifts the camera positions to the left or right so that you can have the centre of the image (crosshair or ingame iron sights) aligned to either your left eye, right eye or centre (which is the default setting on nvidia)

Poacher64: i can only take screenshots in anaglyph for now which will make it unclear

Poacher64: the issue is simply that the in-game 3d sights don't line up correctly because the camera is either side of the centre of the screen so it's like trying to aim with a gun held to the centre of your face

Poacher64: http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?showtopic=513 see this thread for screenshots

Poacher64: http://www.shacknews.com/article/66552/call-of-duty-black-ops the second video down highlights the problem perfectly

Poacher64: do you see what i mean?

Poacher64: ?

Sanjib: I am sorry for the delay in replying.

Sanjib: I checked my supervisior, After installing the 3D TV play software you will be able to use this feature

Sanjib: NVIDIA 3D Vision discover glasses is not so good

Poacher64: okay, so if I go ahead and buy 3d tv play and find that it doesn't have this feature I'll get a refund, right?

Poacher64: ?

Sanjib: What i will recommend you is to download the 14 day trial version of 3D TV play software first

Poacher64: okay

Sanjib: simply download the 3DTV Play Activation Utility to enable a 14 day trial.



http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-activate.html

Poacher64: ok. thanks.

Sanjib: Your welcome.

Sanjib: But, remember, 3D TV play will work only with the Glasses provided by your TV manufacturer and a compatible 3D TV.

#42
Posted 03/15/2011 08:37 PM   
bump
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#43
Posted 04/05/2011 02:55 PM   
[quote name='Poacher64' date='05 April 2011 - 09:55 AM' timestamp='1302015333' post='1219692']
bump
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What is your question?
[quote name='Poacher64' date='05 April 2011 - 09:55 AM' timestamp='1302015333' post='1219692']

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What is your question?

#44
Posted 04/05/2011 07:39 PM   
[quote name='Poacher64' date='15 March 2011 - 09:37 PM' timestamp='1300221475' post='1208096']
Transcript of Nvidia live support conversation follows, let me know your thoughts guys:
[...]
Sanjib: I checked my supervisior, After installing the 3D TV play software you will be able to use this feature
[...]
[/quote]
I'd say that this is simply not right!
At least I could [i]nowhere[/i] find anything bout this feature in the NVIDIA-Preferences and I [i]do[/i] have both 3D-Vision and the latest drivers for my graphics card, which include 3D-Vision drivers.
I even installed the trial version of this 3D-TV Play stuff although I was sure that this didn't change anything
because its obviously only made to enable usage on 3D-TVs (which I don't have) and why should this feature only be available for TVs and not for PC-Monitors?

So I suppose we still have to wait for this imho rather simple improvement. -.-
[quote name='Poacher64' date='15 March 2011 - 09:37 PM' timestamp='1300221475' post='1208096']

Transcript of Nvidia live support conversation follows, let me know your thoughts guys:

[...]

Sanjib: I checked my supervisior, After installing the 3D TV play software you will be able to use this feature

[...]



I'd say that this is simply not right!

At least I could nowhere find anything bout this feature in the NVIDIA-Preferences and I do have both 3D-Vision and the latest drivers for my graphics card, which include 3D-Vision drivers.

I even installed the trial version of this 3D-TV Play stuff although I was sure that this didn't change anything

because its obviously only made to enable usage on 3D-TVs (which I don't have) and why should this feature only be available for TVs and not for PC-Monitors?



So I suppose we still have to wait for this imho rather simple improvement. -.-

#45
Posted 05/15/2011 02:39 PM   
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