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[quote="woz2601"]It really just amuses me more than anything else. I said before that I've always found that quote to be true, but I don't mean that it's necessarily some kind of absolute truth that I've lived my life by or anything. Just more of an entertaining thing to think about, really.[/quote] Yep, I see that. I think I was just being too nitpicky. Part of me also wants to question the assumption that crazy people aren't aware of their craziness, because in my experience, mental illness is a torment that its sufferers are all-too aware of. But then I remember that I just promised myself that I wouldn't be so nitpicky. Aaaargh! [quote]...I think we can all agree though that Einstein was brighter than most. In fact, can we really say that he was any less intelligent than a theoretical advanced race of beings from another galaxy or from our own evolutionary future? I think if we all were as smart as Einstein, we would be that theoretical advanced race. Of course, I'm not sure there's a limit to how smart one can be. So as smart as we would all be, I guess you could always imagine an even smarter race. [/quote] Yeah, I admit it gets iffy when walking about hypothetical advanced races. But perhaps there are real-world ways to frame it. For instance, I'm sure computers are much smarter than Einstein in certain ways. And I've no doubt that most Chess Grandmasters would have wiped the floor with Einstein in a game of chess, despite not all Chess Grandmasters having high IQs. As the saying goes, we're all ignorant, just in different areas. Maybe that's part of the "dumb customers" problem: we rarely present the best side of ourselves when we're rushing through a bank errand or an annoying tech support call, and so we end up coming across as stupider than we are in the more focused parts of our lives. [quote="Foulplay99"]Common sense is sadly missing from large numbers of people[/quote] Then are you sure you're still talking about [b]common[/b] sense? ;) [quote="bo3b"]Why are people stupid? (All of us, me too.) I strongly encourage you to read that website I posted: [url]http://youarenotsosmart.com/[/url][/quote]I read several articles on that site a while back. But I lost interest, among other reasons, because it reminded me too much of my old man. He's obsessed with that sort of thing. Name any book that talks about the various ways in how people delude themselves - Madness of the Crowds, Freakonomics, Blink, Black Swan, you name it - and he's read it and preached to everyone within earshot about it. That kind of stuff is very trendy now, but he's been into it for decades. Sometimes it's all he talks about, and over the years it has gotten grating. Not least because it doesn't seem to actually improve his life in any measurable way. It just keeps adding fuel to his his inherent compulsion for criticising others, and I suspect that by learning about everyone else's supposed inherent defects, it compensates for insecurities he has about his own self-worth. I think it also gives him a comforting belief that he understands how those around him tick, when in reality he's high on the Asperger's spectrum and has substantial difficulty understanding the ways in which other people are different to him. So if I've been dismissive or reactive about this stuff in this discussion, then I apologise, as it no doubt has more to do with my tricky relationship with him than anything that you have actually said. [quote="Wozman420"]........My son is now almost 5 yrs old and we have been playing games and watching movies in 3d at least once a week for the last year or so......[/quote] Does he like it as much as you do? I assumed that kids wouldn't be as impressed with things like 3D (or special effects, high framerates, etc.) as we are. I guess I assumed that their imaginations are wild enough to enjoy even the smallest things. Plus they didn't grow up watching 2D cel-shaded cartoons on grainy TVs at crappy framerates like we did, so they don't appreciate the vast improvement. Have you found that, or not?
woz2601 said:It really just amuses me more than anything else. I said before that I've always found that quote to be true, but I don't mean that it's necessarily some kind of absolute truth that I've lived my life by or anything. Just more of an entertaining thing to think about, really.


Yep, I see that. I think I was just being too nitpicky. Part of me also wants to question the assumption that crazy people aren't aware of their craziness, because in my experience, mental illness is a torment that its sufferers are all-too aware of. But then I remember that I just promised myself that I wouldn't be so nitpicky. Aaaargh!

...I think we can all agree though that Einstein was brighter than most. In fact, can we really say that he was any less intelligent than a theoretical advanced race of beings from another galaxy or from our own evolutionary future? I think if we all were as smart as Einstein, we would be that theoretical advanced race. Of course, I'm not sure there's a limit to how smart one can be. So as smart as we would all be, I guess you could always imagine an even smarter race.


Yeah, I admit it gets iffy when walking about hypothetical advanced races. But perhaps there are real-world ways to frame it. For instance, I'm sure computers are much smarter than Einstein in certain ways. And I've no doubt that most Chess Grandmasters would have wiped the floor with Einstein in a game of chess, despite not all Chess Grandmasters having high IQs.

As the saying goes, we're all ignorant, just in different areas. Maybe that's part of the "dumb customers" problem: we rarely present the best side of ourselves when we're rushing through a bank errand or an annoying tech support call, and so we end up coming across as stupider than we are in the more focused parts of our lives.

Foulplay99 said:Common sense is sadly missing from large numbers of people
Then are you sure you're still talking about common sense? ;)


bo3b said:Why are people stupid? (All of us, me too.)

I strongly encourage you to read that website I posted:

http://youarenotsosmart.com/
I read several articles on that site a while back. But I lost interest, among other reasons, because it reminded me too much of my old man.

He's obsessed with that sort of thing. Name any book that talks about the various ways in how people delude themselves - Madness of the Crowds, Freakonomics, Blink, Black Swan, you name it - and he's read it and preached to everyone within earshot about it. That kind of stuff is very trendy now, but he's been into it for decades.

Sometimes it's all he talks about, and over the years it has gotten grating. Not least because it doesn't seem to actually improve his life in any measurable way. It just keeps adding fuel to his his inherent compulsion for criticising others, and I suspect that by learning about everyone else's supposed inherent defects, it compensates for insecurities he has about his own self-worth. I think it also gives him a comforting belief that he understands how those around him tick, when in reality he's high on the Asperger's spectrum and has substantial difficulty understanding the ways in which other people are different to him.

So if I've been dismissive or reactive about this stuff in this discussion, then I apologise, as it no doubt has more to do with my tricky relationship with him than anything that you have actually said.


Wozman420 said:........My son is now almost 5 yrs old and we have been playing games and watching movies in 3d at least once a week for the last year or so......


Does he like it as much as you do? I assumed that kids wouldn't be as impressed with things like 3D (or special effects, high framerates, etc.) as we are. I guess I assumed that their imaginations are wild enough to enjoy even the smallest things. Plus they didn't grow up watching 2D cel-shaded cartoons on grainy TVs at crappy framerates like we did, so they don't appreciate the vast improvement. Have you found that, or not?

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Posted 06/06/2014 01:10 AM   
[quote="Volnaiskra"] [quote="Wozman420"]........My son is now almost 5 yrs old and we have been playing games and watching movies in 3d at least once a week for the last year or so......[/quote] Does he like it as much as you do? I assumed that kids wouldn't be as impressed with things like 3D (or special effects, high framerates, etc.) as we are. I guess I assumed that their imaginations are wild enough to enjoy even the smallest things. Plus they didn't grow up watching 2D cel-shaded cartoons on grainy TVs at crappy framerates like we did, so they don't appreciate the vast improvement. Have you found that, or not?[/quote] Yeah he loves it! He is just as excited as I am whenever we get a new 3d movie to watch or game to play and we play all the lego games from beginning to end (special thx to mike for those awesome lego fixes!) Me being a hardcore techie and all, our household is a little spoiled when it comes to technology and when my wife got herself a new ipad air the old ipad2 became my sons by default. He still asks to use my wife's one and when asked 'why? just use your one!' he says because mommy's looks better! He can obviously tell the vast improvement in pixel density and after seeing it, why would he want to go back to the old large pixel display? I don't blame him, I do the same thing myself. He also is a bit of a brat when it comes to movie quality, and he refuses to watch the old dvd's we have if there is a bluray or netflix version available...
Volnaiskra said:

Wozman420 said:........My son is now almost 5 yrs old and we have been playing games and watching movies in 3d at least once a week for the last year or so......


Does he like it as much as you do? I assumed that kids wouldn't be as impressed with things like 3D (or special effects, high framerates, etc.) as we are. I guess I assumed that their imaginations are wild enough to enjoy even the smallest things. Plus they didn't grow up watching 2D cel-shaded cartoons on grainy TVs at crappy framerates like we did, so they don't appreciate the vast improvement. Have you found that, or not?


Yeah he loves it! He is just as excited as I am whenever we get a new 3d movie to watch or game to play and we play all the lego games from beginning to end (special thx to mike for those awesome lego fixes!) Me being a hardcore techie and all, our household is a little spoiled when it comes to technology and when my wife got herself a new ipad air the old ipad2 became my sons by default. He still asks to use my wife's one and when asked 'why? just use your one!' he says because mommy's looks better! He can obviously tell the vast improvement in pixel density and after seeing it, why would he want to go back to the old large pixel display? I don't blame him, I do the same thing myself. He also is a bit of a brat when it comes to movie quality, and he refuses to watch the old dvd's we have if there is a bluray or netflix version available...

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Posted 06/06/2014 02:10 AM   
I enjoyed reading this thread. Thank you to all the posters.
I enjoyed reading this thread. Thank you to all the posters.

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Posted 06/13/2014 05:24 PM   
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/754441/3d-vision/are-3d-vision-kit-2-monitors-compatable-with-the-origianl-3d-vision-kit-/ "Yes, that should work. Be sure to get the monitor that does not have the built in emitter, because your glasses are all going to be using RF signal instead of IR. The NVidia Pro kit uses RF, but the pyramid looks similar to the consumer version which uses IR" I recover this thread because I have just read this. Now I don't know what I have to believe. Somebody wrote down in this thread that Nvidia 3d Vision uses safe and harmless IR signal, and now what we have is that IR is only used with monitors with the emitter integrated, and then every external emitter uses RF signal. I don't want to believe blindly on safe 3D playing (even though I hope it will), I need to know exactly what really happens, without suppositions. I think Nvidia should say something on this respect.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/754441/3d-vision/are-3d-vision-kit-2-monitors-compatable-with-the-origianl-3d-vision-kit-/

"Yes, that should work. Be sure to get the monitor that does not have the built in emitter, because your glasses are all going to be using RF signal instead of IR. The NVidia Pro kit uses RF, but the pyramid looks similar to the consumer version which uses IR"




I recover this thread because I have just read this. Now I don't know what I have to believe. Somebody wrote down in this thread that Nvidia 3d Vision uses safe and harmless IR signal, and now what we have is that IR is only used with monitors with the emitter integrated, and then every external emitter uses RF signal.

I don't want to believe blindly on safe 3D playing (even though I hope it will), I need to know exactly what really happens, without suppositions. I think Nvidia should say something on this respect.

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Posted 06/19/2014 10:31 AM   
No problem with continuing an older thread! Whether it's RF or IR, there should be no problem either way. Visible light, IR, and RF are all different wavelengths of radiation. We evolved to see a particular range of radiation as visible light, but these are all the same things at different wavelengths. RF is radio waves. IR is between visible light and RF, and much closer to visible light. That's why digital cameras can see IR. IR is also typically used in remote controls. On the other side of visible light you get things like UV rays, then X-rays, then gamma rays, which are increasingly harmful. But IR and RF are on the [i]increasingly harmless[/i] side of visible light. [url]http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/ir_tutorial/what_is_ir.html[/url]
No problem with continuing an older thread!

Whether it's RF or IR, there should be no problem either way. Visible light, IR, and RF are all different wavelengths of radiation. We evolved to see a particular range of radiation as visible light, but these are all the same things at different wavelengths.

RF is radio waves. IR is between visible light and RF, and much closer to visible light. That's why digital cameras can see IR. IR is also typically used in remote controls.

On the other side of visible light you get things like UV rays, then X-rays, then gamma rays, which are increasingly harmful. But IR and RF are on the increasingly harmless side of visible light.

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/ir_tutorial/what_is_ir.html

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Posted 06/19/2014 10:54 AM   
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Posted 06/19/2014 10:56 AM   
[quote="b4thman"]I recover this thread because I have just read this. Now I don't know what I have to believe. Somebody wrote down in this thread that Nvidia 3d Vision uses safe and harmless IR signal, and now what we have is that IR is only used with monitors with the emitter integrated, and then every external emitter uses RF signal. I don't want to believe blindly on safe 3D playing (even though I hope it will), I need to know exactly what really happens, without suppositions. I think Nvidia should say something on this respect.[/quote]No, no, it's the PRO kit. Note the word, NVidia Pro Kit. Only the PRO kit uses RF, the consumer kit uses IR. Compared to a cell phone even the Pro kit produces less radiation, farther from you. There is no credible evidence that cell phone radiation is harmful. (random internet sites do not count as 'credible'. After all, no matter what you Google, you will get web pages.)
b4thman said:I recover this thread because I have just read this. Now I don't know what I have to believe. Somebody wrote down in this thread that Nvidia 3d Vision uses safe and harmless IR signal, and now what we have is that IR is only used with monitors with the emitter integrated, and then every external emitter uses RF signal.

I don't want to believe blindly on safe 3D playing (even though I hope it will), I need to know exactly what really happens, without suppositions. I think Nvidia should say something on this respect.
No, no, it's the PRO kit. Note the word, NVidia Pro Kit. Only the PRO kit uses RF, the consumer kit uses IR.

Compared to a cell phone even the Pro kit produces less radiation, farther from you. There is no credible evidence that cell phone radiation is harmful.

(random internet sites do not count as 'credible'. After all, no matter what you Google, you will get web pages.)

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