Future of 3D Vision Support (Official announcement from NVIDIA)
  39 / 42    
@D-man11 I would donate $500 for start up. I don't like the idea of a subscription but I do know it may be necessary to keep 3D going. Going forward the new driver or software would need to support DX12 and Vulkan.
@D-man11

I would donate $500 for start up. I don't like the idea of a subscription but I do know it may be necessary to keep 3D going.

Going forward the new driver or software would need to support DX12 and Vulkan.

Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55

Posted 05/15/2019 10:29 PM   
[quote="Helifax"]Well... I always said... that we should not piggy-back on Nvidia's 3D Vision driver, but instead make our own 3D Stereo Driver. Getting the emitter to work on any driver version shouldn't be impossible as I have already done it in Linux (where 3D Vision driver was non-existent), so we should be able to enable the 3D Vision Emitter and glasses in Windows as well... (sure it will not be as flawless as the official support-which now is non-existent, but it works). Now, neither making a Stereo3D driver, not making the driver work beyond the official supported drivers is a "walk-in-the-park" aka easy. But not impossible. I guess it all depends on how many gamers/users will actually want that. If we are like 10, sure we can do it for us, but I think all those 10 should have a tight collaboration. If we are "Legion" this changes things ;) (At least this is my POV - take it as you wish:) )[/quote] Note: The above was taken from D-Man11's 'Moving Forward' thread. @Helifax Your reply above was exactly what I was wanting to ask you about privately, only not on this forum as a preference quite frankly. I'm just glad that everybody here appears to trust NVidia to not shut down threads that don't meet their approval, for whatever reason. I'll simply assume that bo3b himself has the inside track as to what NVidia's level of tolerance is, regarding the prospective subject matter of this thread going forward. It's certainly very interesting to know that you'd at least entertain the possibility of pursuing an alternative 3D Stereo Driver, pending a response from a sufficient number of other community members. However, I'm sure that I speak on behalf of the wider 3D community in that I would not want any single individual to be placed under an unacceptable level of stress and expectation should an undertaking of this scale ever be decided upon. Appreciating the fact that everybody's circumstances are widely different, i.e.; some individuals have full time jobs, some have part time jobs, with others between jobs, who may perhaps have that much more time at their disposal. I hope and I'll assume that that is something that would get worked out naturally in due course, if it ever came to it. Anyhow, I just wanted to put that out there. I do confess to not being exactly neutral on having Linux serve as a potentially viable alternative gaming platform to Win10 in the future. The fact that you've managed to get 3D Vision to function on Linux, certainly got my attention. I'm simply voicing my declaration as an interested party, and I'll be curious to see if having Linux as an option, goes any further, although I'm under no illusion about the scale of what might be required to make that a reality. I do have to stress the point, that it's simply keen interest on my part, rather than any firm expectation. :) [quote="bo3b"]This was actually part of my asking in the main thread about how many people might contribute and what they might feel is reasonable. Part of that was to try to get a rough feel for the level of support. Everyone who posts here are pretty reasonable and willing to contribute far beyond what should be necessary. I think we all appreciate the comments from everyone, and the level of support. (Snip) This was actually part of my goal with getting a VR TV out the door as a commercial product. Not that it itself would make money, but would provide direct feedback on how many VR people might be interested in 3D, if it were cheap. This is less sure today, because Oculus just prematurely destroyed the Rift side of the market. Also, freakin' hard. It's limping along at present, but I don't think it's currently viable.[/quote] @bo3b Firstly, I'm just saying "hi", honestly. Now is there finance that either yourself or DarkStarSword need, right here and now? In theory, I could make $1k available to you at fairly short notice. Just so that you know, that figure has been sanity checked, and it clearly failed, but I now believe that it's a matter of gaining and maintaining sufficient momentum whilst options still remain open to us, as both D-Man11, RAGEdemon and others have made reference to. Would it come in handy now for anything that you've currently got in development? You mentioned that your development of VR TV isn't currently viable. Do you mean technically, practically or financially speaking? In theory at least, your VR TV option sounds as good an improvised solution as any 3D Stereo enthusiast could realistically expect, given the circumstances. I appreciate that for 3D Vision purists it might be less than ideal, but presumably it's still 3D stereo in some form at least. How does it look to you, visually speaking. Do you think it could pass muster, not now perhaps, but in the near future? I'll state for the record that I'm fully behind the concept of a marketable 3D stereo product that in theory has the chance to be financially viable, in order to secure a future for 3D gaming. Once again though, I wouldn't want to place any undue burden or expectation upon even a person as capable as you evidently are. Lastly, my personal concern for this thread was that it had started to meander from a certain point onwards, and I'm glad that D-Man11 got things back on track. Hopefully time can be valued as much as money from here on in.
Helifax said:Well... I always said... that we should not piggy-back on Nvidia's 3D Vision driver, but instead make our own 3D Stereo Driver.
Getting the emitter to work on any driver version shouldn't be impossible as I have already done it in Linux (where 3D Vision driver was non-existent), so we should be able to enable the 3D Vision Emitter and glasses in Windows as well... (sure it will not be as flawless as the official support-which now is non-existent, but it works).

Now, neither making a Stereo3D driver, not making the driver work beyond the official supported drivers is a "walk-in-the-park" aka easy. But not impossible. I guess it all depends on how many gamers/users will actually want that. If we are like 10, sure we can do it for us, but I think all those 10 should have a tight collaboration. If we are "Legion" this changes things ;) (At least this is my POV - take it as you wish:) )


Note: The above was taken from D-Man11's 'Moving Forward' thread.

@Helifax

Your reply above was exactly what I was wanting to ask you about privately, only not on this forum as a preference quite frankly. I'm just glad that everybody here appears to trust NVidia to not shut down threads that don't meet their approval, for whatever reason. I'll simply assume that bo3b himself has the inside track as to what NVidia's level of tolerance is, regarding the prospective subject matter of this thread going forward.

It's certainly very interesting to know that you'd at least entertain the possibility of pursuing an alternative 3D Stereo Driver, pending a response from a sufficient number of other community members. However, I'm sure that I speak on behalf of the wider 3D community in that I would not want any single individual to be placed under an unacceptable level of stress and expectation should an undertaking of this scale ever be decided upon. Appreciating the fact that everybody's circumstances are widely different, i.e.; some individuals have full time jobs, some have part time jobs, with others between jobs, who may perhaps have that much more time at their disposal. I hope and I'll assume that that is something that would get worked out naturally in due course, if it ever came to it.

Anyhow, I just wanted to put that out there.

I do confess to not being exactly neutral on having Linux serve as a potentially viable alternative gaming platform to Win10 in the future. The fact that you've managed to get 3D Vision to function on Linux, certainly got my attention. I'm simply voicing my declaration as an interested party, and I'll be curious to see if having Linux as an option, goes any further, although I'm under no illusion about the scale of what might be required to make that a reality. I do have to stress the point, that it's simply keen interest on my part, rather than any firm expectation. :)

bo3b said:This was actually part of my asking in the main thread about how many people might contribute and what they might feel is reasonable. Part of that was to try to get a rough feel for the level of support.

Everyone who posts here are pretty reasonable and willing to contribute far beyond what should be necessary. I think we all appreciate the comments from everyone, and the level of support.

(Snip)

This was actually part of my goal with getting a VR TV out the door as a commercial product. Not that it itself would make money, but would provide direct feedback on how many VR people might be interested in 3D, if it were cheap. This is less sure today, because Oculus just prematurely destroyed the Rift side of the market. Also, freakin' hard. It's limping along at present, but I don't think it's currently viable.


@bo3b

Firstly, I'm just saying "hi", honestly.

Now is there finance that either yourself or DarkStarSword need, right here and now? In theory, I could make $1k available to you at fairly short notice. Just so that you know, that figure has been sanity checked, and it clearly failed, but I now believe that it's a matter of gaining and maintaining sufficient momentum whilst options still remain open to us, as both D-Man11, RAGEdemon and others have made reference to. Would it come in handy now for anything that you've currently got in development?

You mentioned that your development of VR TV isn't currently viable. Do you mean technically, practically or financially speaking? In theory at least, your VR TV option sounds as good an improvised solution as any 3D Stereo enthusiast could realistically expect, given the circumstances. I appreciate that for 3D Vision purists it might be less than ideal, but presumably it's still 3D stereo in some form at least. How does it look to you, visually speaking. Do you think it could pass muster, not now perhaps, but in the near future?

I'll state for the record that I'm fully behind the concept of a marketable 3D stereo product that in theory has the chance to be financially viable, in order to secure a future for 3D gaming. Once again though, I wouldn't want to place any undue burden or expectation upon even a person as capable as you evidently are.

Lastly, my personal concern for this thread was that it had started to meander from a certain point onwards, and I'm glad that D-Man11 got things back on track. Hopefully time can be valued as much as money from here on in.

Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz, 3x GTX Titan, 16GB Tactical Tracer LED, CPU/GPU Dual-Loop Water-Cooled - Driver 331.82 (Win8.0), Driver 388.71 (Win7), DX11.0

harisukro: "You sir, are 'Steely Eyed Missile Man'" (Quote from Apollo 13)

Posted 05/15/2019 10:53 PM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]However, in my humble opinion, using this thread to gauge funding is a flawed concept, as most people who will license the software will not reply to it - possibly by a factor of x100, if the earlier participation study is to be believed - e.g. the vast majority of people with a Rift are not on the rift forum. Most people with a Tesla are not on the Tesla forums. Most people with a GeForce graphics card are not on the GeForce forums.[/quote] I think RAGEdemon is right about the number of people who participate in this forum vs. the total number of 3D Vision users. There's a principle called 1% rule that describes it [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)[/url]. You can even tell it by the dozens of random "why 3D Vision no longer works after I updated to 430 driver" threads and posts in the main driver section of this forum. These people didn't know about it, even though this thread has existed for a long time now. The problem is Nvidia doesn't make much money on 3D Vision directly. Just selling 3D Vision kits is probably not that profitable. But indirect profits from selling more and higher priced video cards are much more significant. I think what they count on is all 3D Vision users just get over it and continue to buy their future GPUs for 2D and maybe VR gaming, so they won't lose much revenue. I hope that they are wrong about it. 3D Vision, being "free" and a relatively good implementation, might be the main thing that killed TriDef and similar older products. Right now this market is completely empty, so the project discussed in this thread has a good potential. Remember that stereoscopic gaming existed even before Avatar and 3D Vision, so it wasn't just some short-lived hype that started it. As I already mentioned in the beginning of this thread, I'm definitely willing to contribute. I can give at least a few hundred $ to get the project started.
RAGEdemon said:However, in my humble opinion, using this thread to gauge funding is a flawed concept, as most people who will license the software will not reply to it - possibly by a factor of x100, if the earlier participation study is to be believed - e.g. the vast majority of people with a Rift are not on the rift forum. Most people with a Tesla are not on the Tesla forums. Most people with a GeForce graphics card are not on the GeForce forums.

I think RAGEdemon is right about the number of people who participate in this forum vs. the total number of 3D Vision users. There's a principle called 1% rule that describes it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture). You can even tell it by the dozens of random "why 3D Vision no longer works after I updated to 430 driver" threads and posts in the main driver section of this forum. These people didn't know about it, even though this thread has existed for a long time now.

The problem is Nvidia doesn't make much money on 3D Vision directly. Just selling 3D Vision kits is probably not that profitable. But indirect profits from selling more and higher priced video cards are much more significant. I think what they count on is all 3D Vision users just get over it and continue to buy their future GPUs for 2D and maybe VR gaming, so they won't lose much revenue. I hope that they are wrong about it.

3D Vision, being "free" and a relatively good implementation, might be the main thing that killed TriDef and similar older products. Right now this market is completely empty, so the project discussed in this thread has a good potential. Remember that stereoscopic gaming existed even before Avatar and 3D Vision, so it wasn't just some short-lived hype that started it.

As I already mentioned in the beginning of this thread, I'm definitely willing to contribute. I can give at least a few hundred $ to get the project started.

Posted 05/15/2019 11:28 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]@simon$ Provided you were not a spammer, to get your hidden post to show, you need to see this thread. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/845400/forum-feedback/post-here-if-your-posts-amp-replies-are-hidden/[/quote] Many thanks :) though my posts seem to mysteriously have come back anyway before I got chance to post there, so thanks to the moderators too!
D-Man11 said:@simon$

Provided you were not a spammer, to get your hidden post to show, you need to see this thread.


https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/845400/forum-feedback/post-here-if-your-posts-amp-replies-are-hidden/



Many thanks :) though my posts seem to mysteriously have come back anyway before I got chance to post there, so thanks to the moderators too!

Posted 05/15/2019 11:42 PM   
for private initiatives, we have crowdfunding websites such as patreon, in which people with viable approaches find funding while offering something of interest to anyone, even if they do not know about the existence of this forum ... I think that for private initiatives it is the most realistic way to proceed. While in a nvidia forum the effort should go to get the necessary support. What I can not understand is how we justify the lack of support with the excuse that it is not profitable for nvidia, as if they were the victim of this event ... They can advance as they wish and suspend the research of technologies in which they are not interested ... But they can not suspend a technology that we have paid without consequences, I mean the day when the 425 is not supported by an updated operating system ... That day they will be forced to make a new driver that works, and if they do not, I think that they should not be excused or justified.
for private initiatives, we have crowdfunding websites such as patreon, in which people with viable approaches find funding while offering something of interest to anyone, even if they do not know about the existence of this forum ...
I think that for private initiatives it is the most realistic way to proceed.
While in a nvidia forum the effort should go to get the necessary support.
What I can not understand is how we justify the lack of support with the excuse that it is not profitable for nvidia, as if they were the victim of this event ...
They can advance as they wish and suspend the research of technologies in which they are not interested ...
But they can not suspend a technology that we have paid without consequences, I mean the day when the 425 is not supported by an updated operating system ... That day they will be forced to make a new driver that works, and if they do not, I think that they should not be excused or justified.

An old man with an old 24" 3D gamer Pc, Helixmod Disciples fan

Posted 05/16/2019 03:12 AM   
As much I would like to see something happen, I won't participate in talking our masterminds into something they might regret later just for my personal gain. Somehow that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. If I was a highly skilled programmer, I would take even half of that $200.000 per year bo3b mentioned above over the uncertainty of an endeavor like this anytime. That's just me, ofc, but I think most of us would. Having thought about it for a few weeks now what I will do going forward is building me a 3DV machine, either Windows 7 or 10 if there is a way to block updates, and get one or two extra 3DV glasses sets off E-bay as spare parts. There are still hundreds of already fixed games to play for me and I'm pretty sure many more will continue to work with the 418 drivers for years to come. This whole debacle isn't the end of world. Maybe in ten years things will start to fall really apart, but until then I'll have plenty to play in 3D.
As much I would like to see something happen, I won't participate in talking our masterminds into something they might regret later just for my personal gain. Somehow that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. If I was a highly skilled programmer, I would take even half of that $200.000 per year bo3b mentioned above over the uncertainty of an endeavor like this anytime. That's just me, ofc, but I think most of us would.

Having thought about it for a few weeks now what I will do going forward is building me a 3DV machine, either Windows 7 or 10 if there is a way to block updates, and get one or two extra 3DV glasses sets off E-bay as spare parts. There are still hundreds of already fixed games to play for me and I'm pretty sure many more will continue to work with the 418 drivers for years to come. This whole debacle isn't the end of world.

Maybe in ten years things will start to fall really apart, but until then I'll have plenty to play in 3D.

Posted 05/16/2019 04:46 AM   
I'm in for 40 euro monthly, that's 500 euro a year, I'm dirty poor but I can live with my backlog playing 3D as long as it takes, also with Vorpx i'm having fun revisiting old classics in pseudo-VR so I can live without purchasing any games or hardware, now that Nvidia has made it clear new cards will be useless for 3D.
I'm in for 40 euro monthly, that's 500 euro a year, I'm dirty poor but I can live with my backlog playing 3D as long as it takes, also with Vorpx i'm having fun revisiting old classics in pseudo-VR so I can live without purchasing any games or hardware, now that Nvidia has made it clear new cards will be useless for 3D.

All hail 3d modders DHR, MasterOtaku, Losti, Necropants, Helifax, bo3b, mike_ar69, Flugan, DarkStarSword, 4everAwake, 3d4dd and so many more helping to keep the 3d dream alive, find their 3d fixes at http://helixmod.blogspot.com/ Also check my site for spanish VR and mobile gaming news: www.gamermovil.com

Posted 05/16/2019 08:15 AM   
//double post
//double post

Like my work? Donations can be made via PayPal to: rauti@inetmx.de

Posted 05/16/2019 02:09 PM   
Np here for me to spend 50e a month and an initial payment from up to 1000e.
Np here for me to spend 50e a month and an initial payment from up to 1000e.

Like my work? Donations can be made via PayPal to: rauti@inetmx.de

Posted 05/16/2019 02:12 PM   
Hello everyone, first of all I apologize for my English ... I am Italian, having said that, I am really saddened by this infamous choice of nvidia ... and I cannot imagine my future as a gamer without 3D vision ... personally I would be inclined to pay the single patch for every game that interests me ... and I hope you find a solution to all this ... at the moment, however, the question is another ... since I'm about to upgrade my computer .. .I can install win10 pro .... or will I have compatibility problems with 3D vision? is there a way to make all 3D vision fixes work with win10? I ask for help....
Hello everyone, first of all I apologize for my English ... I am Italian, having said that, I am really saddened by this infamous choice of nvidia ... and I cannot imagine my future as a gamer without 3D vision ... personally I would be inclined to pay the single patch for every game that interests me ... and I hope you find a solution to all this ... at the moment, however, the question is another ... since I'm about to upgrade my computer .. .I can install win10 pro .... or will I have compatibility problems with 3D vision? is there a way to make all 3D vision fixes work with win10? I ask for help....

Posted 05/16/2019 03:44 PM   
@lay72 I'm running 3D Vision with no problems Windows 10 1903 build # 18362.113 Enable do not include driver updates with Windows Update via Group Policy.
@lay72

I'm running 3D Vision with no problems Windows 10 1903 build # 18362.113

Enable do not include driver updates with Windows Update via Group Policy.

Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55

Posted 05/16/2019 05:17 PM   
Could honestly care less on how Nvidia,ASUS,ACER and DELL feels about us piggybacking new software with the 3D Vision glasses emitter kits and monitors WE BOUGHT WITH OUR HARD EARNED MONEY This physical property belongs to us. Not like any of these companies nor vendors even care to list a new disclaimer that these $700+ monitors are no longer technically "3D Vision Ready" anymore due to obsolete driver software support. Again I get the Nvidia financial interest changes..but its still pretty freakin scummy to not atleast leave a standalone 3D Vision software for people who once believed in your company and dumped hundreds of dollars into a GPU Monitor and Emitter Kit to enjoy 3D Vision.
Could honestly care less on how Nvidia,ASUS,ACER and DELL feels about us piggybacking new software with the 3D Vision glasses emitter kits and monitors WE BOUGHT WITH OUR HARD EARNED MONEY

This physical property belongs to us.

Not like any of these companies nor vendors even care to list a new disclaimer that these $700+ monitors are no longer technically "3D Vision Ready" anymore due to obsolete driver software support.

Again I get the Nvidia financial interest changes..but its still pretty freakin scummy to not atleast leave a standalone 3D Vision software for people who once believed in your company and dumped hundreds of dollars into a GPU Monitor and Emitter Kit to enjoy 3D Vision.

Gaming Rig 1

i7 5820K 3.3ghz (Stock Clock)
GTX 1080 Founders Edition (Stock Clock)
16GB DDR4 2400 RAM
512 SAMSUNG 840 PRO

Gaming Rig 2
My new build

Asus Maximus X Hero Z370
MSI Gaming X 1080Ti (2100 mhz OC Watercooled)
8700k (4.7ghz OC Watercooled)
16gb DDR4 3000 Ram
500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2

Posted 05/16/2019 08:09 PM   
42.500 views for this thread in 2 months. 3d vision is not dead.
42.500 views for this thread in 2 months.

3d vision is not dead.

Posted 05/16/2019 08:20 PM   
I agree with lou4612 a stand alone version of 3D Vision without worrying about driver updates.
I agree with lou4612 a stand alone version of 3D Vision without worrying about driver updates.

Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55

Posted 05/16/2019 08:37 PM   
So why do latest geforce RTX cards support 3D Vision, when there is no actual driver support anymore???
So why do latest geforce RTX cards support 3D Vision, when there is no actual driver support anymore???

Posted 05/16/2019 10:17 PM   
  39 / 42    
Scroll To Top