[quote="Geezertron"][quote="TsaebehT"] Either way you slice it you have to pay extra for it, be it AMD or NVIDIA, so you have to pay $40, it's still better than having to buy the 3D Vision Kit and/or a 3D Vision monitor.[/quote]
I don't really have to pay anything. I'm not so desperate to play my games in 3D that I'm willing to pay extra to unlock a feature built into my video card drivers that some people get for free. It just means one less 3D gamer out there (actually, it probably means many, many less 3D gamers out there as I'm definitely not the only one who's not going to bother with it). It also means one less PC gamer buying Nvidia cards in the future. And with the way Nvidia's policy with regards to its drivers likely kills interest in 3D gaming among 3DTV owners, game developers will likely not continue giving a rat's arse about programming with 3D in mind as buyers of "3D Vision 2" monitors and kits are likely a puny minority vs buyers of 3D TVs and projectors. That's some real far-sightedness and sound business savvy.
And if Nvidia reads these forums (I doubt it), the vast majority of people who think this policy is stupid aren't hanging out in these forums and posting their opinions. It's only natural that a handful of people who either bought 3d Vision sytems or actually paid to unlock their drivers and who post in these forums are going to side with Nvidia. They don't represent the average 3DTV owner who couldn't be bothered to voice their opinions about something they'll never pay for.[/quote]
Exactly who is getting to play 3D games on Nvidia cards for free?
Geezerton I am sorry that you didn't take the time to research the 3D functionality of the card you bought. However in the past you had to both install the regular Nvidia driver and the 3D vision driver along with using the 3D dongle which you had to purchase along with a pair of 3D glasses and a compatible 3D Monitor. The 3d vision kit contained the price to activate the 3D features on the card. Nvidia decided to streamline their drivers and installation process by including the 3D functions as part of the Driver installation. There was still the need to purchase a 3D vision Kit and monitor, or pay $50.00 to purchase the 3DTVPlay activation, which was implemented after 3D vision. Playing gmaes in 3D is not a core function of the graphics card, it is an added feature. Similar to the Onstar or Sirus Satellite Radio that come in many cars. they don't make the cars function, and in many cases they come bundled.. it's up to the driver to pay for the additional features.
Similarly instead of using Nvidia's 3D for your TV you can use tridef, same $50.00 entrance fee into that game also. Would you prefer if Nvidia removed the 3D vision/3D play from their core install and force you to purchase an additional software package to install when needed?
the 500 dollar card you bought allows the use of a third part software to play 3d games, and it allows the use of a 3rd party 3d blue-ray player to play 3d movies.
TsaebehT said: Either way you slice it you have to pay extra for it, be it AMD or NVIDIA, so you have to pay $40, it's still better than having to buy the 3D Vision Kit and/or a 3D Vision monitor.
I don't really have to pay anything. I'm not so desperate to play my games in 3D that I'm willing to pay extra to unlock a feature built into my video card drivers that some people get for free. It just means one less 3D gamer out there (actually, it probably means many, many less 3D gamers out there as I'm definitely not the only one who's not going to bother with it). It also means one less PC gamer buying Nvidia cards in the future. And with the way Nvidia's policy with regards to its drivers likely kills interest in 3D gaming among 3DTV owners, game developers will likely not continue giving a rat's arse about programming with 3D in mind as buyers of "3D Vision 2" monitors and kits are likely a puny minority vs buyers of 3D TVs and projectors. That's some real far-sightedness and sound business savvy.
And if Nvidia reads these forums (I doubt it), the vast majority of people who think this policy is stupid aren't hanging out in these forums and posting their opinions. It's only natural that a handful of people who either bought 3d Vision sytems or actually paid to unlock their drivers and who post in these forums are going to side with Nvidia. They don't represent the average 3DTV owner who couldn't be bothered to voice their opinions about something they'll never pay for.
Exactly who is getting to play 3D games on Nvidia cards for free?
Geezerton I am sorry that you didn't take the time to research the 3D functionality of the card you bought. However in the past you had to both install the regular Nvidia driver and the 3D vision driver along with using the 3D dongle which you had to purchase along with a pair of 3D glasses and a compatible 3D Monitor. The 3d vision kit contained the price to activate the 3D features on the card. Nvidia decided to streamline their drivers and installation process by including the 3D functions as part of the Driver installation. There was still the need to purchase a 3D vision Kit and monitor, or pay $50.00 to purchase the 3DTVPlay activation, which was implemented after 3D vision. Playing gmaes in 3D is not a core function of the graphics card, it is an added feature. Similar to the Onstar or Sirus Satellite Radio that come in many cars. they don't make the cars function, and in many cases they come bundled.. it's up to the driver to pay for the additional features.
Similarly instead of using Nvidia's 3D for your TV you can use tridef, same $50.00 entrance fee into that game also. Would you prefer if Nvidia removed the 3D vision/3D play from their core install and force you to purchase an additional software package to install when needed?
the 500 dollar card you bought allows the use of a third part software to play 3d games, and it allows the use of a 3rd party 3d blue-ray player to play 3d movies.
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[quote="Geezertron"]And dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers comments like Cookybiscuit's is why Nvidia figures the current greedy money-grab policy is acceptable.[/quote]
Not to seem harsh but you're the only one making dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers comments, we don't get 3DTV Play for FREE as you are implying. We had to either buy the 3D Vision Kit (Emitter) to enable it or buy a 3D Vision monitor or laptop.
[quote="Geezertron"]I don't really have to pay anything. I'm not so desperate to play my games in 3D that I'm willing to pay extra to unlock a feature built into my video card drivers that some people get for free.[/quote]
I had to buy an emitter that I don't even use because my 3D DLP TV supports 3D Vision, not 3DTV Play, at least you'd be paying for something that you'd actually be using. Put on your bigboy pants and get over it. If you want 3D, pay for it like everyone else did here, if you don't well then don't. No one got a free ride like you're implying.
[quote="Geezertron"]It just means one less 3D gamer out there.[/quote]
Oh well your loss.
Geezertron said:And dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers comments like Cookybiscuit's is why Nvidia figures the current greedy money-grab policy is acceptable.
Not to seem harsh but you're the only one making dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers comments, we don't get 3DTV Play for FREE as you are implying. We had to either buy the 3D Vision Kit (Emitter) to enable it or buy a 3D Vision monitor or laptop.
Geezertron said:I don't really have to pay anything. I'm not so desperate to play my games in 3D that I'm willing to pay extra to unlock a feature built into my video card drivers that some people get for free.
I had to buy an emitter that I don't even use because my 3D DLP TV supports 3D Vision, not 3DTV Play, at least you'd be paying for something that you'd actually be using. Put on your bigboy pants and get over it. If you want 3D, pay for it like everyone else did here, if you don't well then don't. No one got a free ride like you're implying.
Geezertron said:It just means one less 3D gamer out there.
Gotta "PAY" to "PLAY".
Like it was stated, no one has got it free.
Your argument is invalid.
The only injustice occuring here, is what you are doing to yourself by swearing off 3D.
PS: if you are using Windows Vista, Nvidia dropped support for it starting with driver 313.
[quote="Geezertron"]I don't really have to pay anything. I'm not so desperate to play my games in 3D that I'm willing to pay extra to unlock a feature built into my video card drivers that some people get for free. It just means one less 3D gamer out there (actually, it probably means many, many less 3D gamers out there as I'm definitely not the only one who's not going to bother with it). It also means one less PC gamer buying Nvidia cards in the future. And with the way Nvidia's policy with regards to its drivers likely kills interest in 3D gaming among 3DTV owners, game developers will likely not continue giving a rat's arse about programming with 3D in mind as buyers of "3D Vision 2" monitors and kits are likely a puny minority vs buyers of 3D TVs and projectors. That's some real far-sightedness and sound business savvy.[/quote]Well, it's your choice of course, but these sorts of anti-corporate stances hurt exactly one person- you. S3D gaming is an order of magnitude improvement in gaming, and is easily worth the price of admission.
The corporation will neither see nor care about your principled stance.
My best estimate for [i]active [/i]S3D gamers is roughly 2 million people. Maybe that counts as a clique, but how small is your "I wont' pay clique?". More to the point, there is a 14 day free trial of 3D TV Play. Shouldn't you at least [i]try [/i]it, before dismissing it out of hand?
You are only hurting yourself by refusing to use the best technology available.
Geezertron said:I don't really have to pay anything. I'm not so desperate to play my games in 3D that I'm willing to pay extra to unlock a feature built into my video card drivers that some people get for free. It just means one less 3D gamer out there (actually, it probably means many, many less 3D gamers out there as I'm definitely not the only one who's not going to bother with it). It also means one less PC gamer buying Nvidia cards in the future. And with the way Nvidia's policy with regards to its drivers likely kills interest in 3D gaming among 3DTV owners, game developers will likely not continue giving a rat's arse about programming with 3D in mind as buyers of "3D Vision 2" monitors and kits are likely a puny minority vs buyers of 3D TVs and projectors. That's some real far-sightedness and sound business savvy.
Well, it's your choice of course, but these sorts of anti-corporate stances hurt exactly one person- you. S3D gaming is an order of magnitude improvement in gaming, and is easily worth the price of admission.
The corporation will neither see nor care about your principled stance.
My best estimate for active S3D gamers is roughly 2 million people. Maybe that counts as a clique, but how small is your "I wont' pay clique?". More to the point, there is a 14 day free trial of 3D TV Play. Shouldn't you at least try it, before dismissing it out of hand?
You are only hurting yourself by refusing to use the best technology available.
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[quote="Geezertron"]....the greedy practice of....disabling some of its features in the drivers in order to wring out a few more bucks from the paying customer/sucker.[/quote]
When Adobe release a free demo of Photoshop, but disable it after the 30-day trial period, is that "corporate greed"? Or when MediaMonkey ships with code for Premium Gold features that is disabled by default until you enter a purchased license key?
What you're complaining about is a very standard, widely-accepted model of selling stuff.
The fact that the 3D stuff (and SLI stuff, and PhysX stuff) is already present in the default drivers is a [b][i]convenience for the user[/i][/b], as it means that there's only ever one driver you need to download, rather than having to collect all the bits and pieces separately as they become relevant to you.
And listen bo3b - he's right.
Geezertron said:....the greedy practice of....disabling some of its features in the drivers in order to wring out a few more bucks from the paying customer/sucker.
When Adobe release a free demo of Photoshop, but disable it after the 30-day trial period, is that "corporate greed"? Or when MediaMonkey ships with code for Premium Gold features that is disabled by default until you enter a purchased license key?
What you're complaining about is a very standard, widely-accepted model of selling stuff.
The fact that the 3D stuff (and SLI stuff, and PhysX stuff) is already present in the default drivers is a convenience for the user, as it means that there's only ever one driver you need to download, rather than having to collect all the bits and pieces separately as they become relevant to you.
On my two FX rigs one with a Crossfire HD 7950 and the other with a Crossfire HD 7970 a simple config change and I can play Crysis 2 in full 3D on my Panasonic 50" Plasma. However to do the same thing on my SLI GTX 670 rig I have to pay Nvidia $40 more dollar's just to do the same thing so I understand where the OP is coming from. I paid $758 for two GTX 670's because it was suppose to have much better 3D support and such just to find out that Nvidia intentionally crippled the drivers to suck more money out of the very people that support them by buying there hardware.
This on top of Nvidia's very crappy Surround support in Windows 7 and almost non functioning Surround support in Windows 8 make's me really question why I even went back to Nvidia in the first place. So far I have had these GTX 670's in January and must say the way it is going they will be the very last Nvidia hardware I will ever buy. Truthfully if I was not dual booting between Windows 8 and OS X 10.8.2 at the time I would have had ATI hardware in this rig anyway. But at the time there were no OS X drivers for ATI 7xxx cards now with 10.8.3 that has all changed.
On my two FX rigs one with a Crossfire HD 7950 and the other with a Crossfire HD 7970 a simple config change and I can play Crysis 2 in full 3D on my Panasonic 50" Plasma. However to do the same thing on my SLI GTX 670 rig I have to pay Nvidia $40 more dollar's just to do the same thing so I understand where the OP is coming from. I paid $758 for two GTX 670's because it was suppose to have much better 3D support and such just to find out that Nvidia intentionally crippled the drivers to suck more money out of the very people that support them by buying there hardware.
This on top of Nvidia's very crappy Surround support in Windows 7 and almost non functioning Surround support in Windows 8 make's me really question why I even went back to Nvidia in the first place. So far I have had these GTX 670's in January and must say the way it is going they will be the very last Nvidia hardware I will ever buy. Truthfully if I was not dual booting between Windows 8 and OS X 10.8.2 at the time I would have had ATI hardware in this rig anyway. But at the time there were no OS X drivers for ATI 7xxx cards now with 10.8.3 that has all changed.
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[quote="bryonhowley"]On my two FX rigs one with a Crossfire HD 7950 and the other with a Crossfire HD 7970 a simple config change and I can play Crysis 2 in full 3D on my Panasonic 50" Plasma. However to do the same thing on my SLI GTX 670 rig I have to pay Nvidia $40 more dollar's just to do the same thing so I understand where the OP is coming from. I paid $758 for two GTX 670's because it was suppose to have much better 3D support and such just to find out that Nvidia intentionally crippled the drivers to suck more money out of the very people that support them by buying there hardware.
This on top of Nvidia's very crappy Surround support in Windows 7 and almost non functioning Surround support in Windows 8 make's me really question why I even went back to Nvidia in the first place. So far I have had these GTX 670's in January and must say the way it is going they will be the very last Nvidia hardware I will ever buy. Truthfully if I was not dual booting between Windows 8 and OS X 10.8.2 at the time I would have had ATI hardware in this rig anyway. But at the time there were no OS X drivers for ATI 7xxx cards now with 10.8.3 that has all changed. [/quote]
You really got it man and have seen what ASHOLES nvidia are with their propriaty crap and these DIPSHITS over here just swallows anything the great almighty nvidia does, really pathetic!
Know this post will be deleted by the dumbshit moderator but so be it, I wont tuch another nvidia overpriced POS ever as AMD is better in every way so just let these FAGGOTS die and the rest off the retarded followers here, over and out!
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Exactly who is getting to play 3D games on Nvidia cards for free?
Geezerton I am sorry that you didn't take the time to research the 3D functionality of the card you bought. However in the past you had to both install the regular Nvidia driver and the 3D vision driver along with using the 3D dongle which you had to purchase along with a pair of 3D glasses and a compatible 3D Monitor. The 3d vision kit contained the price to activate the 3D features on the card. Nvidia decided to streamline their drivers and installation process by including the 3D functions as part of the Driver installation. There was still the need to purchase a 3D vision Kit and monitor, or pay $50.00 to purchase the 3DTVPlay activation, which was implemented after 3D vision. Playing gmaes in 3D is not a core function of the graphics card, it is an added feature. Similar to the Onstar or Sirus Satellite Radio that come in many cars. they don't make the cars function, and in many cases they come bundled.. it's up to the driver to pay for the additional features.
Similarly instead of using Nvidia's 3D for your TV you can use tridef, same $50.00 entrance fee into that game also. Would you prefer if Nvidia removed the 3D vision/3D play from their core install and force you to purchase an additional software package to install when needed?
the 500 dollar card you bought allows the use of a third part software to play 3d games, and it allows the use of a 3rd party 3d blue-ray player to play 3d movies.
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Not to seem harsh but you're the only one making dumb-as-a-bag-of-hammers comments, we don't get 3DTV Play for FREE as you are implying. We had to either buy the 3D Vision Kit (Emitter) to enable it or buy a 3D Vision monitor or laptop.
I had to buy an emitter that I don't even use because my 3D DLP TV supports 3D Vision, not 3DTV Play, at least you'd be paying for something that you'd actually be using. Put on your bigboy pants and get over it. If you want 3D, pay for it like everyone else did here, if you don't well then don't. No one got a free ride like you're implying.
Oh well your loss.
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Like it was stated, no one has got it free.
Your argument is invalid.
The only injustice occuring here, is what you are doing to yourself by swearing off 3D.
PS: if you are using Windows Vista, Nvidia dropped support for it starting with driver 313.
The corporation will neither see nor care about your principled stance.
My best estimate for active S3D gamers is roughly 2 million people. Maybe that counts as a clique, but how small is your "I wont' pay clique?". More to the point, there is a 14 day free trial of 3D TV Play. Shouldn't you at least try it, before dismissing it out of hand?
You are only hurting yourself by refusing to use the best technology available.
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When Adobe release a free demo of Photoshop, but disable it after the 30-day trial period, is that "corporate greed"? Or when MediaMonkey ships with code for Premium Gold features that is disabled by default until you enter a purchased license key?
What you're complaining about is a very standard, widely-accepted model of selling stuff.
The fact that the 3D stuff (and SLI stuff, and PhysX stuff) is already present in the default drivers is a convenience for the user, as it means that there's only ever one driver you need to download, rather than having to collect all the bits and pieces separately as they become relevant to you.
And listen bo3b - he's right.
This on top of Nvidia's very crappy Surround support in Windows 7 and almost non functioning Surround support in Windows 8 make's me really question why I even went back to Nvidia in the first place. So far I have had these GTX 670's in January and must say the way it is going they will be the very last Nvidia hardware I will ever buy. Truthfully if I was not dual booting between Windows 8 and OS X 10.8.2 at the time I would have had ATI hardware in this rig anyway. But at the time there were no OS X drivers for ATI 7xxx cards now with 10.8.3 that has all changed.
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