3D Vision Problem - Geforce 650 TI Boost on Panasonic VT60
Really need some help here. I've got a VT60 brand new out of the box. I have my computer with a geforce gti 650 ti boost graphics card running hdmi 1.4 out. The resoultion in the nvidia control panel is 1920 X 1080 with refresh rate on the card at the maximum of 24hz. This is listed as a 3D resolution that should support full hd bluray 3D as well as stereoscopic 3d. I've got a a full SBS movie of IMAX hubble 3D. When i play the file with Cyberlink Power DVD, it will display the movie in 3d, but there is SIGNIFICANT crosstalk/ghosting. It's so bad that it appears there are 3 images on the screen. What could i be doing wrong? The TV is set in THX 3D Cinema Mode with 3d set to 120hz. Any help is appreciated. I'm just trying to get the crosstalk down to a minimum so 3d is watchable, because as of now it is making everyone's eyes hurt.
EDIT: I just wanted to address that in the Nvidia Control panel, the enable 3d stereoscopic is checked, but the slider which changes the depth of the 3d, is greyed out and is not adjustable at all, although it appears it should be. Also, 24p under the tv settings is greyed out as well and so are a few other settings. Also, THX 3d Cinema mode is the only one that fits the resolution of the computer perfectly. The other 3d picture modes make the desktop extend past all edges of the TV and I'm not sure how to adjust that either.
Really need some help here. I've got a VT60 brand new out of the box. I have my computer with a geforce gti 650 ti boost graphics card running hdmi 1.4 out. The resoultion in the nvidia control panel is 1920 X 1080 with refresh rate on the card at the maximum of 24hz. This is listed as a 3D resolution that should support full hd bluray 3D as well as stereoscopic 3d. I've got a a full SBS movie of IMAX hubble 3D. When i play the file with Cyberlink Power DVD, it will display the movie in 3d, but there is SIGNIFICANT crosstalk/ghosting. It's so bad that it appears there are 3 images on the screen. What could i be doing wrong? The TV is set in THX 3D Cinema Mode with 3d set to 120hz. Any help is appreciated. I'm just trying to get the crosstalk down to a minimum so 3d is watchable, because as of now it is making everyone's eyes hurt.
EDIT: I just wanted to address that in the Nvidia Control panel, the enable 3d stereoscopic is checked, but the slider which changes the depth of the 3d, is greyed out and is not adjustable at all, although it appears it should be. Also, 24p under the tv settings is greyed out as well and so are a few other settings. Also, THX 3d Cinema mode is the only one that fits the resolution of the computer perfectly. The other 3d picture modes make the desktop extend past all edges of the TV and I'm not sure how to adjust that either.
Humm... a bit of a puzzle... lots of settings...
When I play 3D movies, I don't recall 3DVision being any part of it, nor its adjustments. Its all the video 3D blueray player software and my TV/Display device. With that said:
Are your glasses being enabled? Is your TV displaying any indication that 3D mode was enabled? Is there a 3D button on your remote control you can try? Can you see any RED or GREEN text messages on the screen while doing this? (the red or green text I'm thinking of is from the 3DVision driver)
As far as the Nvidia control panel goes: how did the "test 3D" option go? Were you able to see the Nvidia logo on screen in 3D? What about the test images where you have to make choices? Did these display properly and activate your glasses? (It would be helpful to know if the 3DVision setup/test can display properly or not which might indicate a player/tv configuration problem)
When I play 3D movies, I don't recall 3DVision being any part of it, nor its adjustments. Its all the video 3D blueray player software and my TV/Display device. With that said:
Are your glasses being enabled? Is your TV displaying any indication that 3D mode was enabled? Is there a 3D button on your remote control you can try? Can you see any RED or GREEN text messages on the screen while doing this? (the red or green text I'm thinking of is from the 3DVision driver)
As far as the Nvidia control panel goes: how did the "test 3D" option go? Were you able to see the Nvidia logo on screen in 3D? What about the test images where you have to make choices? Did these display properly and activate your glasses? (It would be helpful to know if the 3DVision setup/test can display properly or not which might indicate a player/tv configuration problem)
Yes, the stereoscopic test performs fine. I have a button on my 3d glasses that i press, and it then shows up on the tv in the bottom right corner. I know that 3d mode is turning on when viewing the movies, since the tv flickers off and then on, and I do see depth within the images, its just that I'm also seeing a ghost/crosstalk image on either side of the main image, which is more apparrent with SBS movies than with actual blu ray movies. I did have a chance today to test a physical 3d blu ray in my PS3, and it performed great with little to no crosstalk. I really don't understand why the player on the PC has so much crosstalk.
Yes, the stereoscopic test performs fine. I have a button on my 3d glasses that i press, and it then shows up on the tv in the bottom right corner. I know that 3d mode is turning on when viewing the movies, since the tv flickers off and then on, and I do see depth within the images, its just that I'm also seeing a ghost/crosstalk image on either side of the main image, which is more apparrent with SBS movies than with actual blu ray movies. I did have a chance today to test a physical 3d blu ray in my PS3, and it performed great with little to no crosstalk. I really don't understand why the player on the PC has so much crosstalk.
The only suggestion I'd have is to look for any settings adjustments in your 3D blueray player software, maybe try 1280x720 resolution.
In the living room I have a PS3 and a dedicated blueray player and find that the PS3 does a better job playing disks than the dedicated player does. In the home theater I have a fairly old 5.25" blueray player (installed in the PC in my signature line) which struggled a bit with the two movies I played on it but with a DLP projector I was not getting any ghosting. I recall when I purchased it that the "3D" enabled blueray player was $10-20 more expensive than a more generic one available at the time.
You might want to ALT-TAB out of the player and see what your CPU/GPU usage is while trying to play the 3D blueray disk. Maybe one or both are not keeping up? Does the PC have Bluetooth or 802.11 wireless? I think the glasses use the same 2.4Ghz band so maybe some interference with the PC on?
You are using a 'high speed' HDMI cable right?
The only suggestion I'd have is to look for any settings adjustments in your 3D blueray player software, maybe try 1280x720 resolution.
In the living room I have a PS3 and a dedicated blueray player and find that the PS3 does a better job playing disks than the dedicated player does. In the home theater I have a fairly old 5.25" blueray player (installed in the PC in my signature line) which struggled a bit with the two movies I played on it but with a DLP projector I was not getting any ghosting. I recall when I purchased it that the "3D" enabled blueray player was $10-20 more expensive than a more generic one available at the time.
You might want to ALT-TAB out of the player and see what your CPU/GPU usage is while trying to play the 3D blueray disk. Maybe one or both are not keeping up? Does the PC have Bluetooth or 802.11 wireless? I think the glasses use the same 2.4Ghz band so maybe some interference with the PC on?
If you are getting that much crosstalk, that suggests that the 3D signal is not properly synchronized with the glasses. If the PC were sending bad signals somehow, that would do it.
Try a different HDMI cable, and be sure it's high quality. Use a known good cable if you can. That is not as likely, because you get proper 3D with the NVidia test- assuming you are running that at the same resolution and frequency.
The next thing to check would be the software on the PC. If Cyberlink software is perhaps a problem, look for the Stereoscopic Player. NVidia has a test version that is automatically installed. Try that to rule out either the software or the PC.
If that doesn't seem to be a problem, look at your TV settings. Some TVs do a lot of processing of the signal, that can add delay. I would think that the 3D sync signal would take that into account, but hey, sometimes they don't think straight. Look for a game-mode, or a no-processing mode to try.
If you are getting that much crosstalk, that suggests that the 3D signal is not properly synchronized with the glasses. If the PC were sending bad signals somehow, that would do it.
Try a different HDMI cable, and be sure it's high quality. Use a known good cable if you can. That is not as likely, because you get proper 3D with the NVidia test- assuming you are running that at the same resolution and frequency.
The next thing to check would be the software on the PC. If Cyberlink software is perhaps a problem, look for the Stereoscopic Player. NVidia has a test version that is automatically installed. Try that to rule out either the software or the PC.
If that doesn't seem to be a problem, look at your TV settings. Some TVs do a lot of processing of the signal, that can add delay. I would think that the 3D sync signal would take that into account, but hey, sometimes they don't think straight. Look for a game-mode, or a no-processing mode to try.
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Ok. Well I've tried a different player - same result. Now here's the crazy thing: If I uncheck stereoscopic in the nvidia control panel, run the same sbs movie, enable 3D on either player and then manually change my tv to 3D SBS mode, it performs much better with ghosting minimal to none. However, the 3d effect does not have nearly as much depth, although I am sure it is in 3d.
Ok. Well I've tried a different player - same result. Now here's the crazy thing: If I uncheck stereoscopic in the nvidia control panel, run the same sbs movie, enable 3D on either player and then manually change my tv to 3D SBS mode, it performs much better with ghosting minimal to none. However, the 3d effect does not have nearly as much depth, although I am sure it is in 3d.
For some reason, i thought that 3dtv play was included with the latest drivers, but apparently it is not. So, I dowloaded 3dtv play activation wizard and it did activate with a free trial. I thought for some reason though, that since I bought a 3d vision graphics card that 3dtv play was included with the purchase. If it is, how can I activate it?
EDIT: I wanted to point out, that once I activated 3dtv play with the free trial, the slider is no longer greyed out. However it is still a free trial.
For some reason, i thought that 3dtv play was included with the latest drivers, but apparently it is not. So, I dowloaded 3dtv play activation wizard and it did activate with a free trial. I thought for some reason though, that since I bought a 3d vision graphics card that 3dtv play was included with the purchase. If it is, how can I activate it?
EDIT: I wanted to point out, that once I activated 3dtv play with the free trial, the slider is no longer greyed out. However it is still a free trial.
Two issues really. Quite odd. The odd part being that the player and 3DVision seem to be working against each other. I'm still doubtful that Cyberlink has any need/requirement for 3DVision to play a 3D Blueray.
The ghosting sounds like 3DVision is attempting to add a 3D effect to a already 3D image stream. You can try simply disabling the 3Dvision, save and reboot and then try your Cyberlink 3D blueray player and see what it looks like.
The 2nd issue is that "3DPlay" is not a free 'included with your card' software upgrade. While its often included (or otherwise listed) as a 'feature' of cards that can use it, it requires that you buy a license from the Nvidia shop if you wish to use it outside of the 30day trial period.
I'll pop a 3D blueray in and see what comes up on screen (with and without 3DVision enabled) and see if it makes any difference.
Two issues really. Quite odd. The odd part being that the player and 3DVision seem to be working against each other. I'm still doubtful that Cyberlink has any need/requirement for 3DVision to play a 3D Blueray.
The ghosting sounds like 3DVision is attempting to add a 3D effect to a already 3D image stream. You can try simply disabling the 3Dvision, save and reboot and then try your Cyberlink 3D blueray player and see what it looks like.
The 2nd issue is that "3DPlay" is not a free 'included with your card' software upgrade. While its often included (or otherwise listed) as a 'feature' of cards that can use it, it requires that you buy a license from the Nvidia shop if you wish to use it outside of the 30day trial period.
I'll pop a 3D blueray in and see what comes up on screen (with and without 3DVision enabled) and see if it makes any difference.
You need to buy it.
Nvidia charges you to play 3D games and watch 3D movies on your 3D TV with your 3D glasses on a 3D GFX card.
It really makes sense doesn't it? (Sarcasm intended) Don't worry as they take that money and hire amazing talented people like helix and chiri to fix all the 3d gam..... Oh wait they don't.
They just keep it to spend on analysts to work out how little they can chicken feed the performance on the next Gfx card release and how much they can get away with charging for the next gen too.
It makes me sick to be honest. What happened to pushing the envelope and bettering your product rather than lining your pockets and keeping share holders happy.
You need to buy it.
Nvidia charges you to play 3D games and watch 3D movies on your 3D TV with your 3D glasses on a 3D GFX card.
It really makes sense doesn't it? (Sarcasm intended) Don't worry as they take that money and hire amazing talented people like helix and chiri to fix all the 3d gam..... Oh wait they don't.
They just keep it to spend on analysts to work out how little they can chicken feed the performance on the next Gfx card release and how much they can get away with charging for the next gen too.
It makes me sick to be honest. What happened to pushing the envelope and bettering your product rather than lining your pockets and keeping share holders happy.
EDIT: I just wanted to address that in the Nvidia Control panel, the enable 3d stereoscopic is checked, but the slider which changes the depth of the 3d, is greyed out and is not adjustable at all, although it appears it should be. Also, 24p under the tv settings is greyed out as well and so are a few other settings. Also, THX 3d Cinema mode is the only one that fits the resolution of the computer perfectly. The other 3d picture modes make the desktop extend past all edges of the TV and I'm not sure how to adjust that either.
When I play 3D movies, I don't recall 3DVision being any part of it, nor its adjustments. Its all the video 3D blueray player software and my TV/Display device. With that said:
Are your glasses being enabled? Is your TV displaying any indication that 3D mode was enabled? Is there a 3D button on your remote control you can try? Can you see any RED or GREEN text messages on the screen while doing this? (the red or green text I'm thinking of is from the 3DVision driver)
As far as the Nvidia control panel goes: how did the "test 3D" option go? Were you able to see the Nvidia logo on screen in 3D? What about the test images where you have to make choices? Did these display properly and activate your glasses? (It would be helpful to know if the 3DVision setup/test can display properly or not which might indicate a player/tv configuration problem)
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In the living room I have a PS3 and a dedicated blueray player and find that the PS3 does a better job playing disks than the dedicated player does. In the home theater I have a fairly old 5.25" blueray player (installed in the PC in my signature line) which struggled a bit with the two movies I played on it but with a DLP projector I was not getting any ghosting. I recall when I purchased it that the "3D" enabled blueray player was $10-20 more expensive than a more generic one available at the time.
You might want to ALT-TAB out of the player and see what your CPU/GPU usage is while trying to play the 3D blueray disk. Maybe one or both are not keeping up? Does the PC have Bluetooth or 802.11 wireless? I think the glasses use the same 2.4Ghz band so maybe some interference with the PC on?
You are using a 'high speed' HDMI cable right?
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Try a different HDMI cable, and be sure it's high quality. Use a known good cable if you can. That is not as likely, because you get proper 3D with the NVidia test- assuming you are running that at the same resolution and frequency.
The next thing to check would be the software on the PC. If Cyberlink software is perhaps a problem, look for the Stereoscopic Player. NVidia has a test version that is automatically installed. Try that to rule out either the software or the PC.
If that doesn't seem to be a problem, look at your TV settings. Some TVs do a lot of processing of the signal, that can add delay. I would think that the 3D sync signal would take that into account, but hey, sometimes they don't think straight. Look for a game-mode, or a no-processing mode to try.
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EDIT: I wanted to point out, that once I activated 3dtv play with the free trial, the slider is no longer greyed out. However it is still a free trial.
The ghosting sounds like 3DVision is attempting to add a 3D effect to a already 3D image stream. You can try simply disabling the 3Dvision, save and reboot and then try your Cyberlink 3D blueray player and see what it looks like.
The 2nd issue is that "3DPlay" is not a free 'included with your card' software upgrade. While its often included (or otherwise listed) as a 'feature' of cards that can use it, it requires that you buy a license from the Nvidia shop if you wish to use it outside of the 30day trial period.
I'll pop a 3D blueray in and see what comes up on screen (with and without 3DVision enabled) and see if it makes any difference.
i7-2600K-4.5Ghz/Corsair H100i/8GB/GTX780SC-SLI/Win7-64/1200W-PSU/Samsung 840-500GB SSD/Coolermaster-Tower/Benq 1080ST @ 100"
Nvidia charges you to play 3D games and watch 3D movies on your 3D TV with your 3D glasses on a 3D GFX card.
It really makes sense doesn't it? (Sarcasm intended) Don't worry as they take that money and hire amazing talented people like helix and chiri to fix all the 3d gam..... Oh wait they don't.
They just keep it to spend on analysts to work out how little they can chicken feed the performance on the next Gfx card release and how much they can get away with charging for the next gen too.
It makes me sick to be honest. What happened to pushing the envelope and bettering your product rather than lining your pockets and keeping share holders happy.