Will the new RealD TV kill 3D Vision Sales? RealD is designing a new TV that combines that Passive a
The display is a 120 Hz display with a Polarizing Filter on it. Every "Left" frame, it shifts the light to only go through the Left Lens (Passive 3D Glasses using the RealD standard), and on every "Right" frame, it shifts the light to the right. In otherwords, it gives Passive 3D Glasses the advantages only Active 3D setups currently have.
In addition, multiple companies are making their own pairs of 3D Glasses with certain features that gives them supurior quality to the RealD glasses.
I like this new design, but I also fear that it will severely hurt 3D Vision sales.
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To make a long story short, I believe that eventually those Active Shutter Glasses you have will become as worthless as a paperweight. What are your opinions?
The display is a 120 Hz display with a Polarizing Filter on it. Every "Left" frame, it shifts the light to only go through the Left Lens (Passive 3D Glasses using the RealD standard), and on every "Right" frame, it shifts the light to the right. In otherwords, it gives Passive 3D Glasses the advantages only Active 3D setups currently have.
In addition, multiple companies are making their own pairs of 3D Glasses with certain features that gives them supurior quality to the RealD glasses.
I like this new design, but I also fear that it will severely hurt 3D Vision sales.
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To make a long story short, I believe that eventually those Active Shutter Glasses you have will become as worthless as a paperweight. What are your opinions?
I think there is a reason why Samsung announced that they were going to do this earlier this year, then abruptly shltcanned the whole project.
http://www.koreaherald.com/business/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110908000804
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-04/reald-drops-after-samsung-ends-cooperation-in-3-d-televisions.html
This is nothing new, the technology has been widely used for several years with CRT monitors. The big problem was the cost, the Zscreens sold/sell for several thousand US dollars. If a 23inch screen costs that much, I could only imagine the cost on a full sized TV.
http://www.vrlogic.com/html/stereographics/monitor_z-screen.html
This is nothing new, the technology has been widely used for several years with CRT monitors. The big problem was the cost, the Zscreens sold/sell for several thousand US dollars. If a 23inch screen costs that much, I could only imagine the cost on a full sized TV.
http://www.vrlogic.com/html/stereographics/monitor_z-screen.html
Are there still lines as big as the LG passive or is it even full resolution? I wouldn't use one with my new favorite setup, which is a meter away from a 46" TV because I've looked at them several times and the lines are just WAY too big for being that close. Speaking of Samsung, Dupont just licenced its OLED printing technology to a major tv manufacturer that might be Samsung. OLED has a [supposedly] response time of .001 or .01....that might might hurt 3D Vision kit sales a tad, not for a long time though.
Are there still lines as big as the LG passive or is it even full resolution? I wouldn't use one with my new favorite setup, which is a meter away from a 46" TV because I've looked at them several times and the lines are just WAY too big for being that close. Speaking of Samsung, Dupont just licenced its OLED printing technology to a major tv manufacturer that might be Samsung. OLED has a [supposedly] response time of .001 or .01....that might might hurt 3D Vision kit sales a tad, not for a long time though.
lg already got ther own thec and it is compatible with reald glasses (without official links) and i heard lg was able to double the rez with some firmware update on some screens to have same effect.
so i guess samsung can do it the same way.
lg already got ther own thec and it is compatible with reald glasses (without official links) and i heard lg was able to double the rez with some firmware update on some screens to have same effect.
The LGs use a FPR screen to allow the use of passive 3D glasses by the viewer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film-type_Patterned_Retarder
The Display technology being discussed uses a push-pull electro-optical liquid crystal modulator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZScreen
It's kinda like taking the active shutters out of the glasses and putting them across the entire Display screen. The difference being instead of being used to alternately block the right and left frames from the opposing eyes, it is used to polarizes the frames clockwise and counterclockwise, the passive glasses then allow the video to pass to the corresponding eye.
The LGs use a FPR screen to allow the use of passive 3D glasses by the viewer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film-type_Patterned_Retarder
The Display technology being discussed uses a push-pull electro-optical liquid crystal modulator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZScreen
It's kinda like taking the active shutters out of the glasses and putting them across the entire Display screen. The difference being instead of being used to alternately block the right and left frames from the opposing eyes, it is used to polarizes the frames clockwise and counterclockwise, the passive glasses then allow the video to pass to the corresponding eye.
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='08 December 2011 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1323376081' post='1339588']
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
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Dude, shut up.
The reason Passive 3D is nowhere near as good as Active 3D is because the resolution is effectively cut in half. It works by dividing the screen into strips, each of which has a different polarization.
When you shift the angle, it causes the lines to appear to be closer together and they won't look as good. When you move further away, same deal. When you turn it upside down, it essentially swaps the two images.
If you are thinking of Half the Framerate and not Half the Resolution, then all that means is that you go grab a faster TV with a much higher refresh rate. With Active Shutter glasses, you need to get new ones for new TVs, and those things are very expensive, quite heavy, and consume power. But not with the new TV (which was designed by RealD, and other companies are beginning to use RealD's technology). This new display technology has the entire screen polarized with the same polarization, and it switches the polarity every frame.
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I don't like being a jerk, but sometimes it is the only way to get someone to actually think about what they were told. And you apparently don't think about the words that are sitting on your display. The words have all day, but I don't. That is why I let them do the talking. That is why I made that post. If you want me to send you a private message, I will.
Also, the Passive 3D has nothing to do with Aliasing. Aliasing happens when a High-Resolution image is presented at a lower resolution. That is why Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering were invented. And those things have been around WAY longer than 3D Displays.
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='08 December 2011 - 02:28 PM' timestamp='1323376081' post='1339588']
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
Dude, shut up.
The reason Passive 3D is nowhere near as good as Active 3D is because the resolution is effectively cut in half. It works by dividing the screen into strips, each of which has a different polarization.
When you shift the angle, it causes the lines to appear to be closer together and they won't look as good. When you move further away, same deal. When you turn it upside down, it essentially swaps the two images.
If you are thinking of Half the Framerate and not Half the Resolution, then all that means is that you go grab a faster TV with a much higher refresh rate. With Active Shutter glasses, you need to get new ones for new TVs, and those things are very expensive, quite heavy, and consume power. But not with the new TV (which was designed by RealD, and other companies are beginning to use RealD's technology). This new display technology has the entire screen polarized with the same polarization, and it switches the polarity every frame.
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I don't like being a jerk, but sometimes it is the only way to get someone to actually think about what they were told. And you apparently don't think about the words that are sitting on your display. The words have all day, but I don't. That is why I let them do the talking. That is why I made that post. If you want me to send you a private message, I will.
Also, the Passive 3D has nothing to do with Aliasing. Aliasing happens when a High-Resolution image is presented at a lower resolution. That is why Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering were invented. And those things have been around WAY longer than 3D Displays.
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[quote name='tailslol' date='10 December 2011 - 09:02 PM' timestamp='1323550921' post='1340486']
no reading just troling.
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'tailslol' told me in PM , that he/she is not interested in technical reasons why this wouldn't work , even before that , he/she resorted to name calling (in PM), apparently there are some firm believers of marketing gimmicks!
[quote name='tailslol' date='10 December 2011 - 09:02 PM' timestamp='1323550921' post='1340486']
no reading just troling.
'tailslol' told me in PM , that he/she is not interested in technical reasons why this wouldn't work , even before that , he/she resorted to name calling (in PM), apparently there are some firm believers of marketing gimmicks!
In addition, multiple companies are making their own pairs of 3D Glasses with certain features that gives them supurior quality to the RealD glasses.
I like this new design, but I also fear that it will severely hurt 3D Vision sales.
---
To make a long story short, I believe that eventually those Active Shutter Glasses you have will become as worthless as a paperweight. What are your opinions?
[url="http://reald.com/content/consumer-electronics.aspx"]RealD Consumer Electronics Section[/url]
In addition, multiple companies are making their own pairs of 3D Glasses with certain features that gives them supurior quality to the RealD glasses.
I like this new design, but I also fear that it will severely hurt 3D Vision sales.
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To make a long story short, I believe that eventually those Active Shutter Glasses you have will become as worthless as a paperweight. What are your opinions?
RealD Consumer Electronics Section
Oh, it feels so right to dream under the stars
Where a part of me is free to roam where I belong!
http://www.koreaherald.com/business/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110908000804
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-04/reald-drops-after-samsung-ends-cooperation-in-3-d-televisions.html
This is nothing new, the technology has been widely used for several years with CRT monitors. The big problem was the cost, the Zscreens sold/sell for several thousand US dollars. If a 23inch screen costs that much, I could only imagine the cost on a full sized TV.
http://www.vrlogic.com/html/stereographics/monitor_z-screen.html
http://www.koreaherald.com/business/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20110908000804
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-04/reald-drops-after-samsung-ends-cooperation-in-3-d-televisions.html
This is nothing new, the technology has been widely used for several years with CRT monitors. The big problem was the cost, the Zscreens sold/sell for several thousand US dollars. If a 23inch screen costs that much, I could only imagine the cost on a full sized TV.
http://www.vrlogic.com/html/stereographics/monitor_z-screen.html
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so i guess samsung can do it the same way.
so i guess samsung can do it the same way.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1304582822
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1304582822
The Display technology being discussed uses a push-pull electro-optical liquid crystal modulator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZScreen
It's kinda like taking the active shutters out of the glasses and putting them across the entire Display screen. The difference being instead of being used to alternately block the right and left frames from the opposing eyes, it is used to polarizes the frames clockwise and counterclockwise, the passive glasses then allow the video to pass to the corresponding eye.
The Display technology being discussed uses a push-pull electro-optical liquid crystal modulator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZScreen
It's kinda like taking the active shutters out of the glasses and putting them across the entire Display screen. The difference being instead of being used to alternately block the right and left frames from the opposing eyes, it is used to polarizes the frames clockwise and counterclockwise, the passive glasses then allow the video to pass to the corresponding eye.
up,proof here:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1304582822
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That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
up,proof here:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1304582822
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
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Dude, shut up.
The reason Passive 3D is nowhere near as good as Active 3D is because the resolution is effectively cut in half. It works by dividing the screen into strips, each of which has a different polarization.
When you shift the angle, it causes the lines to appear to be closer together and they won't look as good. When you move further away, same deal. When you turn it upside down, it essentially swaps the two images.
If you are thinking of Half the Framerate and not Half the Resolution, then all that means is that you go grab a faster TV with a much higher refresh rate. With Active Shutter glasses, you need to get new ones for new TVs, and those things are very expensive, quite heavy, and consume power. But not with the new TV (which was designed by RealD, and other companies are beginning to use RealD's technology). This new display technology has the entire screen polarized with the same polarization, and it switches the polarity every frame.
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I don't like being a jerk, but sometimes it is the only way to get someone to actually think about what they were told. And you apparently don't think about the words that are sitting on your display. The words have all day, but I don't. That is why I let them do the talking. That is why I made that post. If you want me to send you a private message, I will.
Also, the Passive 3D has nothing to do with Aliasing. Aliasing happens when a High-Resolution image is presented at a lower resolution. That is why Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering were invented. And those things have been around WAY longer than 3D Displays.
That's exactly 0% proof , and LG has 0% credibility, never had, you can read about this firmware update gimmick @ avforum, it's yet another entirely baseless marketing stunt.
By the way even if that trick would work, it wouldn't fix the doubled screendoor , halved optical efficiency, aliasing patterns, gross temporal behavior inherent with that kinda passive gimmick.
Dude, shut up.
The reason Passive 3D is nowhere near as good as Active 3D is because the resolution is effectively cut in half. It works by dividing the screen into strips, each of which has a different polarization.
When you shift the angle, it causes the lines to appear to be closer together and they won't look as good. When you move further away, same deal. When you turn it upside down, it essentially swaps the two images.
If you are thinking of Half the Framerate and not Half the Resolution, then all that means is that you go grab a faster TV with a much higher refresh rate. With Active Shutter glasses, you need to get new ones for new TVs, and those things are very expensive, quite heavy, and consume power. But not with the new TV (which was designed by RealD, and other companies are beginning to use RealD's technology). This new display technology has the entire screen polarized with the same polarization, and it switches the polarity every frame.
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I don't like being a jerk, but sometimes it is the only way to get someone to actually think about what they were told. And you apparently don't think about the words that are sitting on your display. The words have all day, but I don't. That is why I let them do the talking. That is why I made that post. If you want me to send you a private message, I will.
Also, the Passive 3D has nothing to do with Aliasing. Aliasing happens when a High-Resolution image is presented at a lower resolution. That is why Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering were invented. And those things have been around WAY longer than 3D Displays.
Oh, it feels so right to dream under the stars
Where a part of me is free to roam where I belong!
Dude, ...
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Dude, ...
He was replying to the link given by tailslol, that is an article specifically talking about an algorythm used by LG on a Display using a FPR screen.
Seriously, I had an LG, it was a laggy pos for gaming, decent for movies, other than the interpolation artifacts.
I qoute "that kind of passive gimmick", refering to the link given by tailslol, did you not read the link?
Regardless, these new Displays refered to in the OP, are going to be expensive, few will buy them, shutterglasses will be continued to be used.
He was replying to the link given by tailslol, that is an article specifically talking about an algorythm used by LG on a Display using a FPR screen.
Seriously, I had an LG, it was a laggy pos for gaming, decent for movies, other than the interpolation artifacts.
I qoute "that kind of passive gimmick", refering to the link given by tailslol, did you not read the link?
Regardless, these new Displays refered to in the OP, are going to be expensive, few will buy them, shutterglasses will be continued to be used.
but yea full image could be interesting,or higher screen rez (4000x3000 or something coming with passive glass less too??)
but yea full image could be interesting,or higher screen rez (4000x3000 or something coming with passive glass less too??)
no reading just troling.
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'tailslol' told me in PM , that he/she is not interested in technical reasons why this wouldn't work , even before that , he/she resorted to name calling (in PM), apparently there are some firm believers of marketing gimmicks!
no reading just troling.
'tailslol' told me in PM , that he/she is not interested in technical reasons why this wouldn't work , even before that , he/she resorted to name calling (in PM), apparently there are some firm believers of marketing gimmicks!
HAHA I love this.. no clue who and what they do.
HAHA I love this.. no clue who and what they do.