New Samsung TV 2016 line has no 3d at all and LG only on premium TV!
Sad but true... Glad to have my 4k 3D tv... Hope we still have TV 3D Oled when OLED prices will go down... http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/136648-3d-is-officially-dead-future-samsung-and-lg-tvs-won-t-even-support-it http://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-televiseur/televiseurs-samsung-signe-fin-3d-n49819.html

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#1
Posted 02/12/2016 10:51 PM   
Been there seen that, done that... Remember when Nvidia initially released the 3D glasses back in the 2000 (or even before that..can't precisely recall..) At the time there were no 3D TVs... I bet in 10-20 years 3D will be "re-invented" as it happened over the course of "its history"... I for one will use 3D Vision as long as I can (even if VR will become the TRUE mainstream) The problem with TV manufacturers is that they expect US to buy a new TV each year?!?! Fck that... If/when I buy a TV I buy it for at least 5-10 years... No wonder the "request" is not as "high"... Everyone who wanted a 3D TV already has one... This was another push into stereo 3D... it didn't catch..again.. CAUSE OF ALL THE CRAPPY AND SHIETY CONTENT that was initially released!!!! Nvidia DID ACTUALLY SOMETHING awesome with their 3D Vision Automatic Drivers!!! But come on... I can't tell my GRAND-MA come let me show you true stereo 3D in this game....Nope... She wants to see "Avatar" on the TV... (or... Clash of the FUCKING Titans CRAP...)... I will DEFO not playing 2D games again! I'd rather STOP playing games AT ALL than being forced into the 2D CRAP!!!!! EVEN freaking CM is 1000% better than freaking FLAT 2D! (Sorry for my hard language...but..well we all know is true;) ^_^)
Been there seen that, done that... Remember when Nvidia initially released the 3D glasses back in the 2000 (or even before that..can't precisely recall..) At the time there were no 3D TVs...

I bet in 10-20 years 3D will be "re-invented" as it happened over the course of "its history"...
I for one will use 3D Vision as long as I can (even if VR will become the TRUE mainstream)

The problem with TV manufacturers is that they expect US to buy a new TV each year?!?! Fck that... If/when I buy a TV I buy it for at least 5-10 years... No wonder the "request" is not as "high"... Everyone who wanted a 3D TV already has one...

This was another push into stereo 3D... it didn't catch..again.. CAUSE OF ALL THE CRAPPY AND SHIETY CONTENT that was initially released!!!!
Nvidia DID ACTUALLY SOMETHING awesome with their 3D Vision Automatic Drivers!!! But come on... I can't tell my GRAND-MA come let me show you true stereo 3D in this game....Nope... She wants to see "Avatar" on the TV... (or... Clash of the FUCKING Titans CRAP...)...

I will DEFO not playing 2D games again! I'd rather STOP playing games AT ALL than being forced into the 2D CRAP!!!!! EVEN freaking CM is 1000% better than freaking FLAT 2D!

(Sorry for my hard language...but..well we all know is true;) ^_^)

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#2
Posted 02/12/2016 11:53 PM   
This does not look good for us 3D gaming enthusiasts! Without some type of on-going manufactured 3D display technology - whether PC monitor, UHD TV, projector, or HMD - our ranks will remain very limited. It is such a loss that more people cannot experience the incredible 3D immersion provided through NVIDIA's truly unique community-led helixmod.blogspot (and 3dsurroundgaming) game fixes...
This does not look good for us 3D gaming enthusiasts! Without some type of on-going manufactured 3D display technology - whether PC monitor, UHD TV, projector, or HMD - our ranks will remain very limited. It is such a loss that more people cannot experience the incredible 3D immersion provided through NVIDIA's truly unique community-led helixmod.blogspot (and 3dsurroundgaming) game fixes...

#3
Posted 02/13/2016 03:25 PM   
yep such a loss...
yep such a loss...

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#4
Posted 02/13/2016 04:03 PM   
I'm into dark humor myself, so I actually find it kind of funny how so many people bitched up a storm that they didn't want to pay for 3D features on their TV. And how it was a gimmick. It enraged them they had to pay for these features. Of course, with the death of 3D TVs, the native refresh rates on HDTVs have plummeted back down. Most HDTVs are now 60hz again (although with slimely PR speak claiming an "Effective refresh rate of something higher... based on unexplained black magic". And now the masses are back to raging how this/that set is only truly 60hz. Yeah, well, those sets were higher than 60hz for 3D, suckas. Enjoy your junk at 60hz.
I'm into dark humor myself, so I actually find it kind of funny how so many people bitched up a storm that they didn't want to pay for 3D features on their TV. And how it was a gimmick. It enraged them they had to pay for these features.

Of course, with the death of 3D TVs, the native refresh rates on HDTVs have plummeted back down. Most HDTVs are now 60hz again (although with slimely PR speak claiming an "Effective refresh rate of something higher... based on unexplained black magic". And now the masses are back to raging how this/that set is only truly 60hz. Yeah, well, those sets were higher than 60hz for 3D, suckas. Enjoy your junk at 60hz.

#5
Posted 02/13/2016 05:42 PM   
Sucks, about the demise of 3D TVs. Luckily I own an awesome LG OLED 4K, which I upgraded from a crappy 55" 4K 3D LG LCD. At least most of the upcoming line of OLEDs still include 3D! and passive 4k on an OLED is WAY BETTER then passive 4K on an LCD. In fact, the 3D is so good on the OLEDs that many vocal skeptics are now HUGE believers in 3D......too bad that the love for 3D got here so late, especially now that the 3D post conversion are actually pretty good and we've seen nothing like the shit that was early 3D conversions. If you go to avsforums and check out the new OLED thread people are freaking out about the lack of 3D on one of the upcoming flat OLEDs. Paul, sorry to burst your bubble, but we never really had "native" 120hz displays. The highest supported refresh rate of any commercial TV has never been higher then 60hz. 120hz was ONLY for 3D mode where EACH EYE gets 60hz. You cannot and never could run 2D content at 120hz. They would use frame interpolation for all those 120hz marketed TVs, which was complete BS misinformation. Remember when they tried marketing 240hz. LMAO. It's a shame that we are still mostly limited by such crappy refresh rates. An OLED can run over 1000hz native but who's gonna support content running at such awesome frame rates?
Sucks, about the demise of 3D TVs. Luckily I own an awesome LG OLED 4K, which I upgraded from a crappy 55" 4K 3D LG LCD. At least most of the upcoming line of OLEDs still include 3D! and passive 4k on an OLED is WAY BETTER then passive 4K on an LCD. In fact, the 3D is so good on the OLEDs that many vocal skeptics are now HUGE believers in 3D......too bad that the love for 3D got here so late, especially now that the 3D post conversion are actually pretty good and we've seen nothing like the shit that was early 3D conversions. If you go to avsforums and check out the new OLED thread people are freaking out about the lack of 3D on one of the upcoming flat OLEDs.

Paul, sorry to burst your bubble, but we never really had "native" 120hz displays. The highest supported refresh rate of any commercial TV has never been higher then 60hz. 120hz was ONLY for 3D mode where EACH EYE gets 60hz. You cannot and never could run 2D content at 120hz. They would use frame interpolation for all those 120hz marketed TVs, which was complete BS misinformation. Remember when they tried marketing 240hz. LMAO. It's a shame that we are still mostly limited by such crappy refresh rates. An OLED can run over 1000hz native but who's gonna support content running at such awesome frame rates?

#6
Posted 02/13/2016 08:07 PM   
[quote="Conan481"]Sucks, about the demise of 3D TVs. Luckily I own an awesome LG OLED 4K, which I upgraded from a crappy 55" 4K 3D LG LCD. At least most of the upcoming line of OLEDs still include 3D! and passive 4k on an OLED is WAY BETTER then passive 4K on an LCD. In fact, the 3D is so good on the OLEDs that many vocal skeptics are now HUGE believers in 3D......too bad that the love for 3D got here so late, especially now that the 3D post conversion are actually pretty good and we've seen nothing like the shit that was early 3D conversions. If you go to avsforums and check out the new OLED thread people are freaking out about the lack of 3D on one of the upcoming flat OLEDs. Paul, sorry to burst your bubble, but we never really had "native" 120hz displays. The highest supported refresh rate of any commercial TV has never been higher then 60hz. 120hz was ONLY for 3D mode where EACH EYE gets 60hz. You cannot and never could run 2D content at 120hz. They would use frame interpolation for all those 120hz marketed TVs, which was complete BS misinformation. Remember when they tried marketing 240hz. LMAO. It's a shame that we are still mostly limited by such crappy refresh rates. An OLED can run over 1000hz native but who's gonna support content running at such awesome frame rates? [/quote] You're not bursting my bubble. I understand how this all worked. What was locked was the input HZ. So, yeah, it was 60hz input interpolated to a much higher (native) refresh rate. This was important for 2D picture quality because it meant there was much less motion blur. And it was necessary evil, because with 3D, you did have to refresh the panel at least 120 times per second (and more if you wanted to reduce motion blur with interpolation in 3D... which many did). So I'm not wrong. 2D motion quality did suffer a significant downgrade with the death of 2D. And if you ever visited a site like Blurbusters, you'd realize a ton of really cheap LCDs from this period could infact run undocumented 2D @120hz (which makes sense, because HDMI had to accept 3840x1080@60hz for 3D... which was the same bandwidth requirement as 1080p @120hz. We never needed HDMI 2.0 for this, it was always an optional standard supported in the older spec so long as the HDMI chipset was fast enough (which 3D required it be).
Conan481 said:Sucks, about the demise of 3D TVs. Luckily I own an awesome LG OLED 4K, which I upgraded from a crappy 55" 4K 3D LG LCD. At least most of the upcoming line of OLEDs still include 3D! and passive 4k on an OLED is WAY BETTER then passive 4K on an LCD. In fact, the 3D is so good on the OLEDs that many vocal skeptics are now HUGE believers in 3D......too bad that the love for 3D got here so late, especially now that the 3D post conversion are actually pretty good and we've seen nothing like the shit that was early 3D conversions. If you go to avsforums and check out the new OLED thread people are freaking out about the lack of 3D on one of the upcoming flat OLEDs.

Paul, sorry to burst your bubble, but we never really had "native" 120hz displays. The highest supported refresh rate of any commercial TV has never been higher then 60hz. 120hz was ONLY for 3D mode where EACH EYE gets 60hz. You cannot and never could run 2D content at 120hz. They would use frame interpolation for all those 120hz marketed TVs, which was complete BS misinformation. Remember when they tried marketing 240hz. LMAO. It's a shame that we are still mostly limited by such crappy refresh rates. An OLED can run over 1000hz native but who's gonna support content running at such awesome frame rates?


You're not bursting my bubble. I understand how this all worked.

What was locked was the input HZ. So, yeah, it was 60hz input interpolated to a much higher (native) refresh rate. This was important for 2D picture quality because it meant there was much less motion blur. And it was necessary evil, because with 3D, you did have to refresh the panel at least 120 times per second (and more if you wanted to reduce motion blur with interpolation in 3D... which many did).

So I'm not wrong. 2D motion quality did suffer a significant downgrade with the death of 2D. And if you ever visited a site like Blurbusters, you'd realize a ton of really cheap LCDs from this period could infact run undocumented 2D @120hz (which makes sense, because HDMI had to accept 3840x1080@60hz for 3D... which was the same bandwidth requirement as 1080p @120hz. We never needed HDMI 2.0 for this, it was always an optional standard supported in the older spec so long as the HDMI chipset was fast enough (which 3D required it be).

#7
Posted 02/13/2016 08:29 PM   
I know cheap LCD monitors through Display port or DVI might run 120hz or higher in 2D. But, you can't run a 120hz signal through HDMI. It's impossible. It's not about making sense, or the bandwith, it's about what's in the HDMI spec. If the HDMI spec doesn't list 1080p at 120hz then it's not gonna work! We've had the bandwith with HDMI 1.4b for 1080p 3D 60hz, but because it's not officially supported we can't run games in 3D 1080p 60hz. I hate HDMI and all it's specs and handshaking bullshit which makes things like running at 120fps impossible. I've owned countless 3D TV's and never have a seen a real benefit of 3D on motion in 2D. Also, your talking about the death of 3D like it happened years ago? 3D is just being ditched by most in the upcoming 2016 models. Most models had 3D for 2016 and before, except for a few exception like no name chinese crap, and Vizio. How would you send a 120hz signal to a tv anyway? EDID hack? and how would the TV recognize 120hz and not just display unsupported format message when using HDMI? The only way I could see this working was with tv's with DVI or display port.
I know cheap LCD monitors through Display port or DVI might run 120hz or higher in 2D. But, you can't run a 120hz signal through HDMI. It's impossible. It's not about making sense, or the bandwith, it's about what's in the HDMI spec. If the HDMI spec doesn't list 1080p at 120hz then it's not gonna work! We've had the bandwith with HDMI 1.4b for 1080p 3D 60hz, but because it's not officially supported we can't run games in 3D 1080p 60hz.

I hate HDMI and all it's specs and handshaking bullshit which makes things like running at 120fps impossible.

I've owned countless 3D TV's and never have a seen a real benefit of 3D on motion in 2D.

Also, your talking about the death of 3D like it happened years ago? 3D is just being ditched by most in the upcoming 2016 models. Most models had 3D for 2016 and before, except for a few exception like no name chinese crap, and Vizio.

How would you send a 120hz signal to a tv anyway? EDID hack? and how would the TV recognize 120hz and not just display unsupported format message when using HDMI? The only way I could see this working was with tv's with DVI or display port.

#8
Posted 02/13/2016 09:13 PM   
[quote="chtiblue"]Sad but true... Glad to have my 4k 3D tv... Hope we still have TV 3D Oled when OLED prices will go down... http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/136648-3d-is-officially-dead-future-samsung-and-lg-tvs-won-t-even-support-it http://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-televiseur/televiseurs-samsung-signe-fin-3d-n49819.html[/quote] chtiblue, What Tv do you have? and do you like it a lot? What TV would people recommend for 3DTV Play? what is The best TV out there for gaming?
chtiblue said:Sad but true... Glad to have my 4k 3D tv... Hope we still have TV 3D Oled when OLED prices will go down...


http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/136648-3d-is-officially-dead-future-samsung-and-lg-tvs-won-t-even-support-it


http://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-televiseur/televiseurs-samsung-signe-fin-3d-n49819.html




chtiblue,

What Tv do you have? and do you like it a lot? What TV would people recommend for 3DTV Play? what is The best TV out there for gaming?

#9
Posted 02/14/2016 07:22 PM   
Hi, you should check this thread, you'll find all your answer in the last few pages: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/?offset=290#4806480 The best Tv out for gaming are with no doubt the last LG Oled UHD 3d TV (no ghosting, no input lag, real blacks...) but it costs one arm (3000euros) for the moment ;) I'll go OLED when Prices will go seriously down.
Hi, you should check this thread, you'll find all your answer in the last few pages:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/?offset=290#4806480

The best Tv out for gaming are with no doubt the last LG Oled UHD 3d TV (no ghosting, no input lag, real blacks...) but it costs one arm (3000euros) for the moment ;)
I'll go OLED when Prices will go seriously down.

http://photos.3dvisionlive.com/chtiblue/album/530b52d4cb85770d6e000049/3Dvision with 49" Philips 49PUS7100 interlieved 3D (3840x2160) overide mode, GTX 1080 GFA2 EXOC, core i5 @4.3GHz, 16Gb@2130, windows 7&10 64bit, Dolby Atmos 5.1.4 Marantz 6010 AVR

#10
Posted 02/14/2016 08:52 PM   
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