What do you mean when you say on Startup?
What about this model from benq?
http://benq.eu/product/projector/3dglasses-dgd5/specifications
Would it be OK?
Would an Acer E4W be compatible with Benq? I found this at a good price.
[quote="bo3b"]
Image quality- you are stuck at 720p for all gaming. There is no solution for 1080p projector gaming today.
[/quote]
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.
bo3b said:
Image quality- you are stuck at 720p for all gaming. There is no solution for 1080p projector gaming today.
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.
Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter
[quote="BlackSharkfr"][quote="bo3b"]
Image quality- you are stuck at 720p for all gaming. There is no solution for 1080p projector gaming today.
[/quote]
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.[/quote]
Interesting - are you using polarized glasses / filters and silver screen? What device do you use to create two outputs from single display port input? How is crosstalk in games?
bo3b said:
Image quality- you are stuck at 720p for all gaming. There is no solution for 1080p projector gaming today.
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.
Interesting - are you using polarized glasses / filters and silver screen? What device do you use to create two outputs from single display port input? How is crosstalk in games?
DLP Link glasses sync via a flash inserted between the frames, it is sent from the projector out it's lens and bounces off of the screen back to the glasses.
The problem is that the flash is the same for right and left images, so the glasses have a 50/50 chance of picking up flash in the correct order. Although it does seem like the success rate is higher.
This can be a problem with multiple viewers. Say you sit down with the wife and 3 kids, 3 of you are going ooh, ahh, this is awesome and the other two are going huh? this sucks.
This is why most DLP Link glasses allow you to hold down the power button to re-sync the glasses. But if you look away from the screen momentarily, you have the same chance of the sync being correct or incorrect.
This is why Optoma and some projectors also have a VESA port to connect an emitter and use rf/ir glasses.
DLP Link glasses sync via a flash inserted between the frames, it is sent from the projector out it's lens and bounces off of the screen back to the glasses.
The problem is that the flash is the same for right and left images, so the glasses have a 50/50 chance of picking up flash in the correct order. Although it does seem like the success rate is higher.
This can be a problem with multiple viewers. Say you sit down with the wife and 3 kids, 3 of you are going ooh, ahh, this is awesome and the other two are going huh? this sucks.
This is why most DLP Link glasses allow you to hold down the power button to re-sync the glasses. But if you look away from the screen momentarily, you have the same chance of the sync being correct or incorrect.
This is why Optoma and some projectors also have a VESA port to connect an emitter and use rf/ir glasses.
For those interested in a setup like BlackSharkfr has, you can see his how to at..
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/191-3d-displays/1299974-my-passive-polarised-dual-projector-setup.html
It means they follow the manufacturers eye synchronization eye order on startup so you don't have to press any button on the glasses to reverse the eye order. They just automatically work without swapping eyes or flipping the glasses like you would on passive 3d glasses.
Its for convenience, I know everyone will have the correct 3d left to right order of the image projected correctly when starting up 3d mode.
The eye reversal happens a lot when you go get a drink and come back and the eye order is incorrect with some third party glasses. That's why I prefer Estars.
It means they follow the manufacturers eye synchronization eye order on startup so you don't have to press any button on the glasses to reverse the eye order. They just automatically work without swapping eyes or flipping the glasses like you would on passive 3d glasses.
Its for convenience, I know everyone will have the correct 3d left to right order of the image projected correctly when starting up 3d mode.
The eye reversal happens a lot when you go get a drink and come back and the eye order is incorrect with some third party glasses. That's why I prefer Estars.
[quote="BlackSharkfr"][quote="bo3b"]
Image quality- you are stuck at 720p for all gaming. There is no solution for 1080p projector gaming today.
[/quote]
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.[/quote]
But it is NOT possible via 3D-Vision/3DTVPlay drivers, only via dead Tridef
bo3b said:
Image quality- you are stuck at 720p for all gaming. There is no solution for 1080p projector gaming today.
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.
But it is NOT possible via 3D-Vision/3DTVPlay drivers, only via dead Tridef
4K3D on passive LG OLED 4K TV 65C6V, GTX 1080 Ti, Win 8.1 64 Pro, i7-7700, 3D-Vision 2 on Benq LW61-LED PJ. HTC Vive. Panasonic Z-10000 3D Camcorder
Hi,
It s false, it's possible using 3Dvision with a demultiplexer like geobox !
I am using two sony hw50, omega filter and geobox 501.
Now you can use lowcost dlp projector.
And all work in 1080p 3D vision perfectly !
It s false, it's possible using 3Dvision with a demultiplexer like geobox !
I am using two sony hw50, omega filter and geobox 501.
Now you can use lowcost dlp projector.
And all work in 1080p 3D vision perfectly !
2 sony HW50 with geobox 501 for 1080p 3D vision projection
optoma hd25-lv
optoma hd67n
Sony HMZ 2
oculus dk1
oculus dk2
gear vr
Nvidia does via 3D Vision, 3DTV Play and Optomized for GeForce do not.
The GeoBox has a Dual Link DVI input.
Depending on the model, Display Port and HDMI inputs are available on their de-multiplexors.
http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/EP/resources/member/158592/productcatalog/6555766f-6913-4e0b-9a5e-2822f555e058_Active-Passive-3D.pdf
http://vnstw.com/
http://www.av-iq.com/avcat/images/documents/brochure/GeoBox%20Catalog.pdf
http://www.vnstw.com/Upload/News3/News-2013107193049.pdf
With this geobox can I play 3D-stereo game with Nvidia driver via 3D-Vision2 kit in 1920x1080x120 resolution on Benq 1080ST pj?
"Besides HDMI 1.4 standard 3D formats, Geobox can be connected directly with Blue Ray, PlayStation, media player or PC system and support 1080p 120Hz Stereoscopic & Nvidia 3D Vision active 3D format and 3840x1080 true full HD side by side 3D system. [u]No PC is required[/u]". - I think this product is for 3D Films only. How play NVidia-profile games without PC? ))
With this geobox can I play 3D-stereo game with Nvidia driver via 3D-Vision2 kit in 1920x1080x120 resolution on Benq 1080ST pj?
"Besides HDMI 1.4 standard 3D formats, Geobox can be connected directly with Blue Ray, PlayStation, media player or PC system and support 1080p 120Hz Stereoscopic & Nvidia 3D Vision active 3D format and 3840x1080 true full HD side by side 3D system. No PC is required". - I think this product is for 3D Films only. How play NVidia-profile games without PC? ))
4K3D on passive LG OLED 4K TV 65C6V, GTX 1080 Ti, Win 8.1 64 Pro, i7-7700, 3D-Vision 2 on Benq LW61-LED PJ. HTC Vive. Panasonic Z-10000 3D Camcorder
you guys stole my topic. .. Just kidding :P.
Anyway... I canceled my order for Benq w1070 because I found W1300 at the same price with glasses included.
W1300 will fit better my living room, due to optics, so most probably I won't have to do to many modifications.
Anyway... I canceled my order for Benq w1070 because I found W1300 at the same price with glasses included.
W1300 will fit better my living room, due to optics, so most probably I won't have to do to many modifications.
Intel i7 8086K
Gigabyte GTX 1080Ti Aorus Extreme
DDR4 2x8gb 3200mhz Cl14
TV LG OLED65E6V
Windows 10 64bits
@joker18
If you decide to paint a screen or make one, there are a lot of threads over at AVS forums ((Audi Video Science Forum) that you'll find useful.
@RS422
People use for a de-multiplexor in a "Dual" Passive projection setup, key word is "Dual".
Two projectors are used and the do not need to be 3D capable, since they each are projecting a "single" image. Both projectors are running at 60Hz, the 120Hz is split between them.
Short Throw Projectors "Do Not" work very well in a Dual Passive Projection setup AFAIK.
I know that the Omega 3D manufacturer says that a ST PJ will not work with his filters.
If you decide to paint a screen or make one, there are a lot of threads over at AVS forums ((Audi Video Science Forum) that you'll find useful.
@RS422
People use for a de-multiplexor in a "Dual" Passive projection setup, key word is "Dual".
Two projectors are used and the do not need to be 3D capable, since they each are projecting a "single" image. Both projectors are running at 60Hz, the 120Hz is split between them.
Short Throw Projectors "Do Not" work very well in a Dual Passive Projection setup AFAIK.
I know that the Omega 3D manufacturer says that a ST PJ will not work with his filters.
In order to build a dual-projector setup, you need to add filters in front of the projectors, these filters tend to be small and flat which is incompatible with the super-wide angle lens used by short throw projectors (you'd need large semi-shpere filters, I don't know any manufacturer that makes filters like that).
In theory it should still be possible to use Omega filters with short throw projectors if you manage somehow to insert the filters inside the projector.
But opening the projector voids the warranty and is super risky.
This technique would not be usable with polarised filters though, because the steep bouncing angle on the screen is not compatible with silverscreens. Until some screen manufacturing company finds a way.
Short throw is becoming popular, I have seen screen manufacturers designing high end (2000€+) ambient light rejecting screens designed for short throw by reflecting the light coming at steep angle from the ground, and rejecting the light from the rest of the room, it looks amazing (for an active short throw projector).
I have no idea if these screens are able to maintain polarisation (unlikely that current products would but I wouldn't be surprised if the laws of physics somehow could allow it, I have seen exotic multi-layered screen materials with really interesting properties).
But for the moment, if you want to go the dual-projectors route, you need regular or long throw projectors.
I have tested the Geobox 501 in frame sequential mode (AMD card, DisplayPort). It requires an EDID override but it does work.
Unfortunately the frame ordering is not consistent with frame sequential, upon initialisation (or alt-tabbing) you often need to turn the 3D on and off to reset the frame ordering.
I find using side by side 3840x1080 with Tridef much more reliable. (it always works the first time you launch the game and remains so no matter how many loading screens the game goes through).
But at least it's nice to have a way to make any driver work (3D Vision, AMD HD3D, or Tridef) at full resolution for the one time you play a game that absolutely requires a specific driver.
In order to build a dual-projector setup, you need to add filters in front of the projectors, these filters tend to be small and flat which is incompatible with the super-wide angle lens used by short throw projectors (you'd need large semi-shpere filters, I don't know any manufacturer that makes filters like that).
In theory it should still be possible to use Omega filters with short throw projectors if you manage somehow to insert the filters inside the projector.
But opening the projector voids the warranty and is super risky.
This technique would not be usable with polarised filters though, because the steep bouncing angle on the screen is not compatible with silverscreens. Until some screen manufacturing company finds a way.
Short throw is becoming popular, I have seen screen manufacturers designing high end (2000€+) ambient light rejecting screens designed for short throw by reflecting the light coming at steep angle from the ground, and rejecting the light from the rest of the room, it looks amazing (for an active short throw projector).
I have no idea if these screens are able to maintain polarisation (unlikely that current products would but I wouldn't be surprised if the laws of physics somehow could allow it, I have seen exotic multi-layered screen materials with really interesting properties).
But for the moment, if you want to go the dual-projectors route, you need regular or long throw projectors.
I have tested the Geobox 501 in frame sequential mode (AMD card, DisplayPort). It requires an EDID override but it does work.
Unfortunately the frame ordering is not consistent with frame sequential, upon initialisation (or alt-tabbing) you often need to turn the 3D on and off to reset the frame ordering.
I find using side by side 3840x1080 with Tridef much more reliable. (it always works the first time you launch the game and remains so no matter how many loading screens the game goes through).
But at least it's nice to have a way to make any driver work (3D Vision, AMD HD3D, or Tridef) at full resolution for the one time you play a game that absolutely requires a specific driver.
Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter
Thanks BlackSharkfr
I didn't realize short throw projector had wide lenses and that was the reason why they are bad candidates.
I always assumed that the reason they would not work well is because the distance to the screen was too short, causing the polarization of the light wave to be out of phase.
I didn't realize short throw projector had wide lenses and that was the reason why they are bad candidates.
I always assumed that the reason they would not work well is because the distance to the screen was too short, causing the polarization of the light wave to be out of phase.
What about this model from benq?
http://benq.eu/product/projector/3dglasses-dgd5/specifications
Would it be OK?
Would an Acer E4W be compatible with Benq? I found this at a good price.
Intel i7 8086K
Gigabyte GTX 1080Ti Aorus Extreme
DDR4 2x8gb 3200mhz Cl14
TV LG OLED65E6V
Windows 10 64bits
I have been doing full resolution stereoscopic 1080p60 gaming on projectors for over 5 years using passive dual-projection.
It's very expensive though... but it is possible.
Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter
Interesting - are you using polarized glasses / filters and silver screen? What device do you use to create two outputs from single display port input? How is crosstalk in games?
The problem is that the flash is the same for right and left images, so the glasses have a 50/50 chance of picking up flash in the correct order. Although it does seem like the success rate is higher.
This can be a problem with multiple viewers. Say you sit down with the wife and 3 kids, 3 of you are going ooh, ahh, this is awesome and the other two are going huh? this sucks.
This is why most DLP Link glasses allow you to hold down the power button to re-sync the glasses. But if you look away from the screen momentarily, you have the same chance of the sync being correct or incorrect.
This is why Optoma and some projectors also have a VESA port to connect an emitter and use rf/ir glasses.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/191-3d-displays/1299974-my-passive-polarised-dual-projector-setup.html
Its for convenience, I know everyone will have the correct 3d left to right order of the image projected correctly when starting up 3d mode.
The eye reversal happens a lot when you go get a drink and come back and the eye order is incorrect with some third party glasses. That's why I prefer Estars.
3D Vision/TRIDEF User
SHIELD portable/tablet/tv
But it is NOT possible via 3D-Vision/3DTVPlay drivers, only via dead Tridef
4K3D on passive LG OLED 4K TV 65C6V, GTX 1080 Ti, Win 8.1 64 Pro, i7-7700, 3D-Vision 2 on Benq LW61-LED PJ. HTC Vive. Panasonic Z-10000 3D Camcorder
It s false, it's possible using 3Dvision with a demultiplexer like geobox !
I am using two sony hw50, omega filter and geobox 501.
Now you can use lowcost dlp projector.
And all work in 1080p 3D vision perfectly !
2 sony HW50 with geobox 501 for 1080p 3D vision projection
optoma hd25-lv
optoma hd67n
Sony HMZ 2
oculus dk1
oculus dk2
gear vr
4K3D on passive LG OLED 4K TV 65C6V, GTX 1080 Ti, Win 8.1 64 Pro, i7-7700, 3D-Vision 2 on Benq LW61-LED PJ. HTC Vive. Panasonic Z-10000 3D Camcorder
The GeoBox has a Dual Link DVI input.
Depending on the model, Display Port and HDMI inputs are available on their de-multiplexors.
http://www.taiwantrade.com.tw/EP/resources/member/158592/productcatalog/6555766f-6913-4e0b-9a5e-2822f555e058_Active-Passive-3D.pdf
http://vnstw.com/
http://www.av-iq.com/avcat/images/documents/brochure/GeoBox%20Catalog.pdf
http://www.vnstw.com/Upload/News3/News-2013107193049.pdf
"Besides HDMI 1.4 standard 3D formats, Geobox can be connected directly with Blue Ray, PlayStation, media player or PC system and support 1080p 120Hz Stereoscopic & Nvidia 3D Vision active 3D format and 3840x1080 true full HD side by side 3D system. No PC is required". - I think this product is for 3D Films only. How play NVidia-profile games without PC? ))
4K3D on passive LG OLED 4K TV 65C6V, GTX 1080 Ti, Win 8.1 64 Pro, i7-7700, 3D-Vision 2 on Benq LW61-LED PJ. HTC Vive. Panasonic Z-10000 3D Camcorder
Anyway... I canceled my order for Benq w1070 because I found W1300 at the same price with glasses included.
W1300 will fit better my living room, due to optics, so most probably I won't have to do to many modifications.
Intel i7 8086K
Gigabyte GTX 1080Ti Aorus Extreme
DDR4 2x8gb 3200mhz Cl14
TV LG OLED65E6V
Windows 10 64bits
If you decide to paint a screen or make one, there are a lot of threads over at AVS forums ((Audi Video Science Forum) that you'll find useful.
@RS422
People use for a de-multiplexor in a "Dual" Passive projection setup, key word is "Dual".
Two projectors are used and the do not need to be 3D capable, since they each are projecting a "single" image. Both projectors are running at 60Hz, the 120Hz is split between them.
Short Throw Projectors "Do Not" work very well in a Dual Passive Projection setup AFAIK.
I know that the Omega 3D manufacturer says that a ST PJ will not work with his filters.
In theory it should still be possible to use Omega filters with short throw projectors if you manage somehow to insert the filters inside the projector.
But opening the projector voids the warranty and is super risky.
This technique would not be usable with polarised filters though, because the steep bouncing angle on the screen is not compatible with silverscreens. Until some screen manufacturing company finds a way.
Short throw is becoming popular, I have seen screen manufacturers designing high end (2000€+) ambient light rejecting screens designed for short throw by reflecting the light coming at steep angle from the ground, and rejecting the light from the rest of the room, it looks amazing (for an active short throw projector).
I have no idea if these screens are able to maintain polarisation (unlikely that current products would but I wouldn't be surprised if the laws of physics somehow could allow it, I have seen exotic multi-layered screen materials with really interesting properties).
But for the moment, if you want to go the dual-projectors route, you need regular or long throw projectors.
I have tested the Geobox 501 in frame sequential mode (AMD card, DisplayPort). It requires an EDID override but it does work.
Unfortunately the frame ordering is not consistent with frame sequential, upon initialisation (or alt-tabbing) you often need to turn the 3D on and off to reset the frame ordering.
I find using side by side 3840x1080 with Tridef much more reliable. (it always works the first time you launch the game and remains so no matter how many loading screens the game goes through).
But at least it's nice to have a way to make any driver work (3D Vision, AMD HD3D, or Tridef) at full resolution for the one time you play a game that absolutely requires a specific driver.
Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter
I didn't realize short throw projector had wide lenses and that was the reason why they are bad candidates.
I always assumed that the reason they would not work well is because the distance to the screen was too short, causing the polarization of the light wave to be out of phase.