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[quote="Pauldusler"][quote="rustyk21"]Thanks Paul :D If you need any help with testing let me know.[/quote] Thx. I'll contact you when the program is ready for testing. In your signature I see that you have Win 7 installed? Would be great to have some help testing if on Windows 7 the correct driver is automatically downloaded. I have only Win10 installed currently.[/quote] I'll help too using a 2080ti with Windows 10 pro but I am using the previous build of windows. (and likely not upgrading ever)
Pauldusler said:
rustyk21 said:Thanks Paul :D
If you need any help with testing let me know.


Thx. I'll contact you when the program is ready for testing. In your signature I see that you have Win 7 installed? Would be great to have some help testing if on Windows 7 the correct driver is automatically downloaded. I have only Win10 installed currently.


I'll help too using a 2080ti with Windows 10 pro but I am using the previous build of windows. (and likely not upgrading ever)

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#76
Posted 06/09/2019 03:57 AM   
[quote="Necropants"][quote="Pauldusler"][quote="rustyk21"]Thanks Paul :D If you need any help with testing let me know.[/quote] Thx. I'll contact you when the program is ready for testing. In your signature I see that you have Win 7 installed? Would be great to have some help testing if on Windows 7 the correct driver is automatically downloaded. I have only Win10 installed currently.[/quote] I'll help too using a 2080ti with Windows 10 pro but I am using the previous build of windows. (and likely not upgrading ever)[/quote] @Necropants and Rustyk: Thank you very much. I've send you a pm with the current beta of 3DFM.
Necropants said:
Pauldusler said:
rustyk21 said:Thanks Paul :D
If you need any help with testing let me know.


Thx. I'll contact you when the program is ready for testing. In your signature I see that you have Win 7 installed? Would be great to have some help testing if on Windows 7 the correct driver is automatically downloaded. I have only Win10 installed currently.


I'll help too using a 2080ti with Windows 10 pro but I am using the previous build of windows. (and likely not upgrading ever)


@Necropants and Rustyk:

Thank you very much. I've send you a pm with the current beta of 3DFM.

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#77
Posted 06/09/2019 01:56 PM   
Does it matter for the script whether one is on standard or DCH drivers? Any reason not to use DCH drivers in general?
Does it matter for the script whether one is on standard or DCH drivers?

Any reason not to use DCH drivers in general?

#78
Posted 06/09/2019 10:26 PM   
Works thanks! Does anyone have the Enable 3D Toggle in the Windows Display Settings?
Works thanks!

Does anyone have the Enable 3D Toggle in the Windows Display Settings?

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#79
Posted 06/10/2019 10:03 AM   
[quote="wickedscav"]Does it matter for the script whether one is on standard or DCH drivers? Any reason not to use DCH drivers in general?[/quote] Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa? At least Nvidia is telling this on their driver download website. So that's another thing to test for the driver update mechansim in 3DFM. I haven't ever installed the DCH drivers. Do they offer any advantage over the default ones?
wickedscav said:Does it matter for the script whether one is on standard or DCH drivers?

Any reason not to use DCH drivers in general?


Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa? At least Nvidia is telling this on their driver download website. So that's another thing to test for the driver update mechansim in 3DFM. I haven't ever installed the DCH drivers. Do they offer any advantage over the default ones?

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#80
Posted 06/10/2019 01:25 PM   
[quote="x7007"]Works thanks! Does anyone have the Enable 3D Toggle in the Windows Display Settings?[/quote] Seems to be vanished. At least I cannot find it any more there.
x7007 said:Works thanks!

Does anyone have the Enable 3D Toggle in the Windows Display Settings?


Seems to be vanished. At least I cannot find it any more there.

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#81
Posted 06/10/2019 01:27 PM   
[quote="Pauldusler"]Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?[/quote] The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far future. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH. Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon. Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.
Pauldusler said:Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?


The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far future. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH.

Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon.

Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.

#82
Posted 06/10/2019 01:56 PM   
[quote="wickedscav"][quote="Pauldusler"]Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?[/quote] The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far feature. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH. Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon. Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.[/quote] Are you sure? I thought DCH drivers were purely for OEM kit and that the standard drivers were the preferred option. With my fresh W10 build I had the option of either but after reading around it seemed that DCH drivers aren't the preferred option. @Paul, regarding the missing 3d option, this is what Nvidia have explicitly removed the latest drivers as far as I'm aware. I guess the workarounds for 3d vision still work because they are not related to 'native windows' 3d functionality.
wickedscav said:
Pauldusler said:Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?


The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far feature. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH.

Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon.

Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.


Are you sure? I thought DCH drivers were purely for OEM kit and that the standard drivers were the preferred option.
With my fresh W10 build I had the option of either but after reading around it seemed that DCH drivers aren't the preferred option.

@Paul, regarding the missing 3d option, this is what Nvidia have explicitly removed the latest drivers as far as I'm aware. I guess the workarounds for 3d vision still work because they are not related to 'native windows' 3d functionality.

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#83
Posted 06/10/2019 06:03 PM   
[quote="Pauldusler"][quote="Necropants"][quote="Pauldusler"][quote="rustyk21"]Thanks Paul :D If you need any help with testing let me know.[/quote] Thx. I'll contact you when the program is ready for testing. In your signature I see that you have Win 7 installed? Would be great to have some help testing if on Windows 7 the correct driver is automatically downloaded. I have only Win10 installed currently.[/quote] I'll help too using a 2080ti with Windows 10 pro but I am using the previous build of windows. (and likely not upgrading ever)[/quote] @Necropants and Rustyk: Thank you very much. I've send you a pm with the current beta of 3DFM.[/quote] Paul, I just tested in W7 and it's working fine :-) I'll update on 3dfm thread and email you the details.
Pauldusler said:
Necropants said:
Pauldusler said:
rustyk21 said:Thanks Paul :D
If you need any help with testing let me know.


Thx. I'll contact you when the program is ready for testing. In your signature I see that you have Win 7 installed? Would be great to have some help testing if on Windows 7 the correct driver is automatically downloaded. I have only Win10 installed currently.


I'll help too using a 2080ti with Windows 10 pro but I am using the previous build of windows. (and likely not upgrading ever)


@Necropants and Rustyk:

Thank you very much. I've send you a pm with the current beta of 3DFM.


Paul, I just tested in W7 and it's working fine :-) I'll update on 3dfm thread and email you the details.

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#84
Posted 06/10/2019 07:08 PM   
Tried the script on my Win10 1903 system with a RTX 2080 and 430.86 driver. Works like a charm. Thanks for all the work! Just wondering if I have to redo to whole procedure again in case nvidia releases a new driver or is there a possible shortcut? for e.g. not using DDU to clean the installation but only use the script?
Tried the script on my Win10 1903 system with a RTX 2080 and 430.86 driver. Works like a charm. Thanks for all the work!

Just wondering if I have to redo to whole procedure again in case nvidia releases a new driver or is there a possible shortcut? for e.g. not using DDU to clean the installation but only use the script?

#85
Posted 06/11/2019 08:14 AM   
So we'll have 2 issues. One is new drivers, we'll just need to install the new driver without uninstalling the 3D Controller and we'll have to edit the DLL every time, we don't need to install 425.xx anymore as long we did it one time, is that right? like procedure ( install new driver ) select Clean installation checkmark, then edit the 3D vision DLL to the new version and install it. The second issue is when Nvidia will only have DCH, by this time I am going to have AMD card, because I am not going to lose the possibility to watch 3D Blu-ray movies, Crapnvidia are just lazy asses who can't just update the 3D till it cannot work, or at least give us the 3D Bluray only ... Shame, big companies always the worst
So we'll have 2 issues.

One is new drivers, we'll just need to install the new driver without uninstalling the 3D Controller and we'll have to edit the DLL every time, we don't need to install 425.xx anymore as long we did it one time, is that right? like procedure ( install new driver ) select Clean installation checkmark, then edit the 3D vision DLL to the new version and install it.

The second issue is when Nvidia will only have DCH, by this time I am going to have AMD card, because I am not going to lose the possibility to watch 3D Blu-ray movies, Crapnvidia are just lazy asses who can't just update the 3D till it cannot work, or at least give us the 3D Bluray only ... Shame, big companies always the worst

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#86
Posted 06/11/2019 05:37 PM   
[quote="x7007"]So we'll have 2 issues. One is new drivers, we'll just need to install the new driver without uninstalling the 3D Controller and we'll have to edit the DLL every time, we don't need to install 425.xx anymore as long we did it one time, is that right? like procedure ( install new driver ) select Clean installation checkmark, then edit the 3D vision DLL to the new version and install it. The second issue is when Nvidia will only have DCH, by this time I am going to have AMD card, because I am not going to lose the possibility to watch 3D Blu-ray movies, Crapnvidia are just lazy asses who can't just update the 3D till it cannot work, or at least give us the 3D Bluray only ... Shame, big companies always the worst [/quote] Don't worry about the driver install. 3DFM will do this for you and restore 3D Vision functionality. And if you want to install the latest Geforce driver via Geforce Experience it's also ok. In that case 3DFM checks for missing 3D drivers and installs the 3D Vision controller driver + 3D Vision driver subsequently. So I think at least this issue is solved. Release of new 3DFM version will be this weekend.
x7007 said:So we'll have 2 issues.

One is new drivers, we'll just need to install the new driver without uninstalling the 3D Controller and we'll have to edit the DLL every time, we don't need to install 425.xx anymore as long we did it one time, is that right? like procedure ( install new driver ) select Clean installation checkmark, then edit the 3D vision DLL to the new version and install it.

The second issue is when Nvidia will only have DCH, by this time I am going to have AMD card, because I am not going to lose the possibility to watch 3D Blu-ray movies, Crapnvidia are just lazy asses who can't just update the 3D till it cannot work, or at least give us the 3D Bluray only ... Shame, big companies always the worst



Don't worry about the driver install. 3DFM will do this for you and restore 3D Vision functionality. And if you want to install the latest Geforce driver via Geforce Experience it's also ok. In that case 3DFM checks for missing 3D drivers and installs the 3D Vision controller driver + 3D Vision driver subsequently. So I think at least this issue is solved. Release of new 3DFM version will be this weekend.

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#87
Posted 06/11/2019 06:01 PM   
[quote="rustyk21"][quote="wickedscav"][quote="Pauldusler"]Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?[/quote] The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far feature. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH. Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon. Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.[/quote] Are you sure? I thought DCH drivers were purely for OEM kit and that the standard drivers were the preferred option. With my fresh W10 build I had the option of either but after reading around it seemed that DCH drivers aren't the preferred option. @Paul, regarding the missing 3d option, this is what Nvidia have explicitly removed the latest drivers as far as I'm aware. I guess the workarounds for 3d vision still work because they are not related to 'native windows' 3d functionality.[/quote] I read up on the DCH driver a bit, and for the time being at least, you want to avoid DCH drivers. There isn't anything that this provides, it's just another Microsoft thing where they are improving their architecture at the expense of backward compatibility. They used to care a lot about backward compatibility, now they take the Apple path of forced upgrades and forced broken old software. It's not clear to me if 1903+DCH loses 3D altogether. As near as I can tell, you can still install a standard driver on 1903, they have yet to throw the switch to require DCH just yet. And as near as I can tell without testing it, DCH does not impact our ability to run 3D at present. It's going to be untested and riddled with time wasters, but it doesn't look like a lock-out. Yet. The other part of the Microsoft changes is that they no longer test anything. They fired all of their QA staff, and they use the marketplace to test their software. So anytime you 'upgrade' to something new, [i]you [/i]are the QA and they get record profits. In 3D land, you want to lag behind all of this stupidity so that you don't have to waste your time (and ShaderHacker time) on problems that crop up on the bleeding edge. For us, there is no value to be on the bleeding edge, and a lot of value in known working scenarios and software. Avoid DCH, don't move to new Win10 service packs until they are out for at least 6 months. 1903 is not worth your time. The rule I always use for updating is twofold: 1) Is there something broken/unusable/annoying in my current setup that is reported to be fixed? 2) Is there a new feature or improvement that I cannot live without? If it doesn't hit either of those points, you are just on the update treadmill, wasting your time. A very long time ago it made sense because it was an actual upgrade every time. Those days are gone, now it's updates for the sake of marketing.
rustyk21 said:
wickedscav said:
Pauldusler said:Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?


The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far feature. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH.

Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon.

Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.


Are you sure? I thought DCH drivers were purely for OEM kit and that the standard drivers were the preferred option.
With my fresh W10 build I had the option of either but after reading around it seemed that DCH drivers aren't the preferred option.

@Paul, regarding the missing 3d option, this is what Nvidia have explicitly removed the latest drivers as far as I'm aware. I guess the workarounds for 3d vision still work because they are not related to 'native windows' 3d functionality.

I read up on the DCH driver a bit, and for the time being at least, you want to avoid DCH drivers.

There isn't anything that this provides, it's just another Microsoft thing where they are improving their architecture at the expense of backward compatibility. They used to care a lot about backward compatibility, now they take the Apple path of forced upgrades and forced broken old software.

It's not clear to me if 1903+DCH loses 3D altogether. As near as I can tell, you can still install a standard driver on 1903, they have yet to throw the switch to require DCH just yet. And as near as I can tell without testing it, DCH does not impact our ability to run 3D at present. It's going to be untested and riddled with time wasters, but it doesn't look like a lock-out. Yet.

The other part of the Microsoft changes is that they no longer test anything. They fired all of their QA staff, and they use the marketplace to test their software. So anytime you 'upgrade' to something new, you are the QA and they get record profits.


In 3D land, you want to lag behind all of this stupidity so that you don't have to waste your time (and ShaderHacker time) on problems that crop up on the bleeding edge. For us, there is no value to be on the bleeding edge, and a lot of value in known working scenarios and software.

Avoid DCH, don't move to new Win10 service packs until they are out for at least 6 months. 1903 is not worth your time.


The rule I always use for updating is twofold:

1) Is there something broken/unusable/annoying in my current setup that is reported to be fixed?
2) Is there a new feature or improvement that I cannot live without?

If it doesn't hit either of those points, you are just on the update treadmill, wasting your time. A very long time ago it made sense because it was an actual upgrade every time. Those days are gone, now it's updates for the sake of marketing.

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#88
Posted 06/12/2019 08:19 PM   
[quote="bo3b"][quote="rustyk21"][quote="wickedscav"][quote="Pauldusler"]Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?[/quote] The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far feature. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH. Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon. Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.[/quote] Are you sure? I thought DCH drivers were purely for OEM kit and that the standard drivers were the preferred option. With my fresh W10 build I had the option of either but after reading around it seemed that DCH drivers aren't the preferred option. @Paul, regarding the missing 3d option, this is what Nvidia have explicitly removed the latest drivers as far as I'm aware. I guess the workarounds for 3d vision still work because they are not related to 'native windows' 3d functionality.[/quote] I read up on the DCH driver a bit, and for the time being at least, you want to avoid DCH drivers. There isn't anything that this provides, it's just another Microsoft thing where they are improving their architecture at the expense of backward compatibility. They used to care a lot about backward compatibility, now they take the Apple path of forced upgrades and forced broken old software. It's not clear to me if 1903+DCH loses 3D altogether. As near as I can tell, you can still install a standard driver on 1903, they have yet to throw the switch to require DCH just yet. And as near as I can tell without testing it, DCH does not impact our ability to run 3D at present. It's going to be untested and riddled with time wasters, but it doesn't look like a lock-out. Yet. The other part of the Microsoft changes is that they no longer test anything. They fired all of their QA staff, and they use the marketplace to test their software. So anytime you 'upgrade' to something new, [i]you [/i]are the QA and they get record profits. In 3D land, you want to lag behind all of this stupidity so that you don't have to waste your time (and ShaderHacker time) on problems that crop up on the bleeding edge. For us, there is no value to be on the bleeding edge, and a lot of value in known working scenarios and software. Avoid DCH, don't move to new Win10 service packs until they are out for at least 6 months. 1903 is not worth your time. The rule I always use for updating is twofold: 1) Is there something broken/unusable/annoying in my current setup that is reported to be fixed? 2) Is there a new feature or improvement that I cannot live without? If it doesn't hit either of those points, you are just on the update treadmill, wasting your time. A very long time ago it made sense because it was an actual upgrade every time. Those days are gone, now it's updates for the sake of marketing.[/quote] Yes to all man... but Security Security, it's not just numbers. Also, I need HDR fixes, and Sometimes you need a specific OS version to play games and many hidden bugs you don't see but fixed when updating.
bo3b said:
rustyk21 said:
wickedscav said:
Pauldusler said:Oh that's actually a good question. I wasn't aware that there are 2 different drivers for Win10. Seems like we cannot install the DCH driver over the default one and vice versa?


The standard driver path will be obsolete in not the very far feature. Microsoft wants DCH to be the only driver path available but both nvidia as also AMD are very late in transitioning to DCH.

Performance as also feature-set should be the same for both version, the standard will just disappear soon.

Once a windows installation is locked into one of the two paths, you cannot install the other version anymore, unless one uses DDU to clean the GPU driver installation. After the restart, one can choose to either go the standard as also the DCH way.


Are you sure? I thought DCH drivers were purely for OEM kit and that the standard drivers were the preferred option.
With my fresh W10 build I had the option of either but after reading around it seemed that DCH drivers aren't the preferred option.

@Paul, regarding the missing 3d option, this is what Nvidia have explicitly removed the latest drivers as far as I'm aware. I guess the workarounds for 3d vision still work because they are not related to 'native windows' 3d functionality.

I read up on the DCH driver a bit, and for the time being at least, you want to avoid DCH drivers.

There isn't anything that this provides, it's just another Microsoft thing where they are improving their architecture at the expense of backward compatibility. They used to care a lot about backward compatibility, now they take the Apple path of forced upgrades and forced broken old software.

It's not clear to me if 1903+DCH loses 3D altogether. As near as I can tell, you can still install a standard driver on 1903, they have yet to throw the switch to require DCH just yet. And as near as I can tell without testing it, DCH does not impact our ability to run 3D at present. It's going to be untested and riddled with time wasters, but it doesn't look like a lock-out. Yet.

The other part of the Microsoft changes is that they no longer test anything. They fired all of their QA staff, and they use the marketplace to test their software. So anytime you 'upgrade' to something new, you are the QA and they get record profits.


In 3D land, you want to lag behind all of this stupidity so that you don't have to waste your time (and ShaderHacker time) on problems that crop up on the bleeding edge. For us, there is no value to be on the bleeding edge, and a lot of value in known working scenarios and software.

Avoid DCH, don't move to new Win10 service packs until they are out for at least 6 months. 1903 is not worth your time.


The rule I always use for updating is twofold:

1) Is there something broken/unusable/annoying in my current setup that is reported to be fixed?
2) Is there a new feature or improvement that I cannot live without?

If it doesn't hit either of those points, you are just on the update treadmill, wasting your time. A very long time ago it made sense because it was an actual upgrade every time. Those days are gone, now it's updates for the sake of marketing.


Yes to all man... but Security Security, it's not just numbers.

Also, I need HDR fixes, and Sometimes you need a specific OS version to play games and many hidden bugs you don't see but fixed when updating.

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#89
Posted 06/12/2019 09:48 PM   
Wise words Bob, I can't deny the possibility that 3D vision could be broken with a Windows update, but I think it's unlikely any time in the near future. Weirdly enough, this is the second time I'm going through this with Nvidia, the first being when they dropped 3D support for OEM devices that had their legacy 3D support when 3D vision was launched. There was panic then that a windows update would break 3D support at any time. The end never did come and 3D support suffered through 3 major service packs and still works with XP to this day. If Oculus software wasn't so finicky with Nvidia driver tinkering, I'd be trying this now. I have everything downloaded and Losti's instructions backed up in case of dire need to upgrade. Thanks again. I ordered an 1070 for my older 1155 Win 7 machine. If things work out, I may order a second for SKI. When Nvidia divorced me last, SLI wasn't working in 3D at all, second card had to be disabled, or removed for 3D to even work. Does 3D vision work with SLI now? Great benefit?
Wise words Bob, I can't deny the possibility that 3D vision could be broken with a Windows update, but I think it's unlikely any time in the near future. Weirdly enough, this is the second time I'm going through this with Nvidia, the first being when they dropped 3D support for OEM devices that had their legacy 3D support when 3D vision was launched. There was panic then that a windows update would break 3D support at any time. The end never did come and 3D support suffered through 3 major service packs and still works with XP to this day.

If Oculus software wasn't so finicky with Nvidia driver tinkering, I'd be trying this now. I have everything downloaded and Losti's instructions backed up in case of dire need to upgrade. Thanks again.
I ordered an 1070 for my older 1155 Win 7 machine. If things work out, I may order a second for SKI.
When Nvidia divorced me last, SLI wasn't working in 3D at all, second card had to be disabled, or removed for 3D to even work. Does 3D vision work with SLI now? Great benefit?

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Posted 06/12/2019 10:47 PM   
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