No option to enable stereoscopic 3d in nvidia control panel?
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[quote="Pirateguybrush"]It would almost certainly affect G-Sync. No idea about the Rift, though it's possible.[/quote]
Just did some initial by eye testing with the Rift. I don't have the latency checker yet; however, I have a pretty good feel for latency (thanks to Rock Band). I'd estimate Optimus is adding 20-40 ms of Latency. This makes Oculus Rift COMPLETELY UNUSABLE. What an utter and complete failure! I'll put together a complete video warning together later (once I have the latency checker to give some hard #'s) to get the word out, since Nvidia obviously isn't going to update their completely misleading Laptop specs. I have no idea how they get away with this, especially with the tech-savy audience they have. Optimus should have been laughed off the market a few minutes after it came out :(
Pirateguybrush said:It would almost certainly affect G-Sync. No idea about the Rift, though it's possible.
Just did some initial by eye testing with the Rift. I don't have the latency checker yet; however, I have a pretty good feel for latency (thanks to Rock Band). I'd estimate Optimus is adding 20-40 ms of Latency. This makes Oculus Rift COMPLETELY UNUSABLE. What an utter and complete failure! I'll put together a complete video warning together later (once I have the latency checker to give some hard #'s) to get the word out, since Nvidia obviously isn't going to update their completely misleading Laptop specs. I have no idea how they get away with this, especially with the tech-savy audience they have. Optimus should have been laughed off the market a few minutes after it came out :(
I am having the same problem on my laptop. I received an nVidia 3D Vision 2 for Christmas, I have the drivers installed for it but I have no 3D Stereoscopic settings in my nVidia control panel. I 100% positive that my laptop is 3D Vision ready. I bought an Alienware 17 R4 about a month ago. The laptop did not come with the built-in 3D vision (optional) but it is supposed to support this as an add-on. The graphics card is an nVidia GTX 1070. My monitor is running at the required 120 Hz. I have tried with the 3D setting on and off, but get the same results. It seems as though the software is removing the option because it's a laptop. I have also installed the latest nVidia graphics driver (with the clean install option) but this also did not resolve the problem. What am I missing? As a point of reference, my desktop system has an nVidia GTX 970 and as soon as I plug in the device via USB on that, I have a 3D stereoscopic option without problems and works beautifully on my gaming monitor.
I am having the same problem on my laptop. I received an nVidia 3D Vision 2 for Christmas, I have the drivers installed for it but I have no 3D Stereoscopic settings in my nVidia control panel. I 100% positive that my laptop is 3D Vision ready. I bought an Alienware 17 R4 about a month ago. The laptop did not come with the built-in 3D vision (optional) but it is supposed to support this as an add-on. The graphics card is an nVidia GTX 1070. My monitor is running at the required 120 Hz. I have tried with the 3D setting on and off, but get the same results. It seems as though the software is removing the option because it's a laptop. I have also installed the latest nVidia graphics driver (with the clean install option) but this also did not resolve the problem. What am I missing? As a point of reference, my desktop system has an nVidia GTX 970 and as soon as I plug in the device via USB on that, I have a 3D stereoscopic option without problems and works beautifully on my gaming monitor.
@lacuna
Where did u get that? That would be new to me.
Well, you cant clearly see it on http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/3d-vision/supported-gpus
But Schenker is normally a trustable source: http://mysn.co.uk/xmg-u717-gaming-laptop
You might mixed it up with SLI: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/940535/?comment=4898755
(or with the removed naming as mobile parts are now more-less equal to desktop parts)
@cgrothrock Did you check? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7IuD8O78aI
So besides 120Hz is it marked as 3D Display, you have the inbuildt emitter? If not, is it at least a display with ulmb/some backlight? Besides that it seems similar to http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19542820. So ... what do you mean with clean install option? Did you use DDU to rly clean any leftovers?
Am i right your Laptop is one out of: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&brandid=2201&fid=9376 - hard to say if it is 3D capable/with backlight (yet it is likely so nowadays). Not even sure which one it is, anyway they seem they have problems, and repairs are available in march: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-17-r4-auo-qhd-panel.800191/ (just so u know in case u didn't)
Ah, yes, there was this laptop gpu-driver part depending where it is hooked at.
@cgrothrock Did you check? ;
So besides 120Hz is it marked as 3D Display, you have the inbuildt emitter? If not, is it at least a display with ulmb/some backlight? Besides that it seems similar to http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19542820. So ... what do you mean with clean install option? Did you use DDU to rly clean any leftovers?
@diNovoM - I don't have the built in emitter but the laptop supports 3D vision, whether built in or USB. The laptop monitor is in 3D mode and 120 Hz, I am not using an external monitor. The clean install option I am referring to is in the GeForce Experience, there is a button to reinstall the video drivers, inside that is a checkbox that allows a clean install (removes the driver completely then reinstalls it). The link you provided from the Dell Outlet didn't show any hits on the laptops but my model is this: [url]http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-17-laptop/dkcwkblg44s[/url]. As for the video for setting up the 3D vision, this is where I am saying the 3D stereoscopic settings do not show up. On my desktop computer with the USB emitter attached I get this option (even if I don't have my 120 Hz monitor attached). This option never shows up on my 3D ready laptop with the USB emitter. It almost seems like since I don't have the factory installed emitter, there's a setting in the software to disable this option (which is why I tried the clean install option for the video driver on the GeForce Experience).
@TsaebehT The link you sent looks like it's only to fix the issue for external monitors, but I am trying to make this work on the laptop screen which supports 3D.
@diNovoM - I don't have the built in emitter but the laptop supports 3D vision, whether built in or USB. The laptop monitor is in 3D mode and 120 Hz, I am not using an external monitor. The clean install option I am referring to is in the GeForce Experience, there is a button to reinstall the video drivers, inside that is a checkbox that allows a clean install (removes the driver completely then reinstalls it). The link you provided from the Dell Outlet didn't show any hits on the laptops but my model is this: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-17-laptop/dkcwkblg44s. As for the video for setting up the 3D vision, this is where I am saying the 3D stereoscopic settings do not show up. On my desktop computer with the USB emitter attached I get this option (even if I don't have my 120 Hz monitor attached). This option never shows up on my 3D ready laptop with the USB emitter. It almost seems like since I don't have the factory installed emitter, there's a setting in the software to disable this option (which is why I tried the clean install option for the video driver on the GeForce Experience).
@TsaebehT The link you sent looks like it's only to fix the issue for external monitors, but I am trying to make this work on the laptop screen which supports 3D.
Ok, I thought you were trying to use it with an external 3D monitor... where does it say the laptop's screen supports 3D? I didn't see any mention of it as an option or otherwise, just because it's 120hz doesn't necessarily make it 3D Vision Ready.
Ok, I thought you were trying to use it with an external 3D monitor... where does it say the laptop's screen supports 3D? I didn't see any mention of it as an option or otherwise, just because it's 120hz doesn't necessarily make it 3D Vision Ready.
To me, i also don't see if the monitor is made for 3D. There have been f.e. some problems (not sure if valid anymore) with Optimus - if the Display is internally connected to Intel Gpu and not Nvidia you won't be able to run 3D. You could ask Dell if you are unsure about the Display and 3D Support. But well, 120Hz is enough, yet in worst case you "will need to used modded EDID AND have a darker screen" (darker if no lightboost support). (and if Optimus-Circumstance may be valid it wont work at all, no fix possible)
So first let's take a look on an driver issue: Geforce Experience is nice but it might still be not 100% clean. So at best uninstall everything, clean with DDU (http://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=5) in safe mode and reinstall: During setup choose custom install and check if both 3D entries are active. You might want to check Device Manager too If "Usb Controller\Nvidia Stereoscopic 3D USB Contr." is active and working flawless. The light at the emitter should also light up. (yet at win 10/8? may shortly dis- and reconnect the usb cable)
So if everything is working fine on driver side you might want to use a custom EDID. You need a file to a monitor that has the same resolution (incl. frequency) + monitor ports (including internal) as you, yet is 3D Vision supported. The problem i might see is the inbuildt monitor, yet external transmitter. Not sure if such combo officially exists. Since the displays are usually connected via internal Displayport, you might try an EDID with and external Displayport monitor (like the [URL=https://www.asus.com/de/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-SWIFT-PG248Q/HelpDesk_Download/]ASUS ROG Swift PG248Q[/URL] suggesting it's the 1080p display as i can just see 1080p and 2160p at your link and last one wouldn't support 120Hz).
You can find information about creating/installing the EDID here: http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/edid-override/ and also files for several devices (below at "You can post ..."). Else you can also check homepages from manufactures like above for ASUS.
To me, i also don't see if the monitor is made for 3D. There have been f.e. some problems (not sure if valid anymore) with Optimus - if the Display is internally connected to Intel Gpu and not Nvidia you won't be able to run 3D. You could ask Dell if you are unsure about the Display and 3D Support. But well, 120Hz is enough, yet in worst case you "will need to used modded EDID AND have a darker screen" (darker if no lightboost support). (and if Optimus-Circumstance may be valid it wont work at all, no fix possible)
So first let's take a look on an driver issue: Geforce Experience is nice but it might still be not 100% clean. So at best uninstall everything, clean with DDU (http://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=5) in safe mode and reinstall: During setup choose custom install and check if both 3D entries are active. You might want to check Device Manager too If "Usb Controller\Nvidia Stereoscopic 3D USB Contr." is active and working flawless. The light at the emitter should also light up. (yet at win 10/8? may shortly dis- and reconnect the usb cable)
So if everything is working fine on driver side you might want to use a custom EDID. You need a file to a monitor that has the same resolution (incl. frequency) + monitor ports (including internal) as you, yet is 3D Vision supported. The problem i might see is the inbuildt monitor, yet external transmitter. Not sure if such combo officially exists. Since the displays are usually connected via internal Displayport, you might try an EDID with and external Displayport monitor (like the ASUS ROG Swift PG248Q suggesting it's the 1080p display as i can just see 1080p and 2160p at your link and last one wouldn't support 120Hz).
You can find information about creating/installing the EDID here: http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/edid-override/ and also files for several devices (below at "You can post ..."). Else you can also check homepages from manufactures like above for ASUS.
This laptop has the option of having a factory installed 3D Vision emitter - the monitor isn't a different type if this emitter is factory installed. Besides, I also just tested this USB device on another computer running a GTX 1070 that has a monitor that does not support 3D Vision. The nVidia control panel still showed the options for stereoscopic 3D though I could not select the monitor for the 3D (since it obviously doesn't support it). This option in the nVidia control panel is supposed to appear when an nVidia 3D stereoscopic emitter is installed. It is NOT doing this on my Alienware laptop. I dug around through the registry to see if I could find a disabled option but couldn't find anything regarding 3D. Any other ideas? I know this can work, I just don't know how to enable it to.
This laptop has the option of having a factory installed 3D Vision emitter - the monitor isn't a different type if this emitter is factory installed. Besides, I also just tested this USB device on another computer running a GTX 1070 that has a monitor that does not support 3D Vision. The nVidia control panel still showed the options for stereoscopic 3D though I could not select the monitor for the 3D (since it obviously doesn't support it). This option in the nVidia control panel is supposed to appear when an nVidia 3D stereoscopic emitter is installed. It is NOT doing this on my Alienware laptop. I dug around through the registry to see if I could find a disabled option but couldn't find anything regarding 3D. Any other ideas? I know this can work, I just don't know how to enable it to.
I do not see the option of having an emitter installed, can you link to it?
I only see two screen choices.
17.3 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Anti-Glare 300-nits Display with Tobii IR Eye-tracking
17.3 inch UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS Anti-Glare 300-nits Display with Tobii IR Eye-tracking
If you get this working, be sure to check out http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html
Laptops and 3D Vision work much differently than desktops and 3D Vision, I don't remember ever reading about anyone using an external emitter with an internal display... I don't think you can even use 3D Vision Discover with an internal display...
You might be able to get Stereoscopic 3D to appear in the Control Panel if you hook up an external display, depending on how the ports are wired like it shows in the link I posted above, but that still won't do anything for 3D on the internal display... unless some sort of EDID override works like diNovoM mentioned I don't think there's any chance of getting 3D Vision to work with an internal display on an uncertified laptop.
3DTV Play might work with a 3DTV and 3D Vision might work with an external emitter and a 3D Vision Monitor but, unless it's actually a 3D Vision laptop, it's most likely not going to work with it...
Laptops and 3D Vision work much differently than desktops and 3D Vision, I don't remember ever reading about anyone using an external emitter with an internal display... I don't think you can even use 3D Vision Discover with an internal display...
You might be able to get Stereoscopic 3D to appear in the Control Panel if you hook up an external display, depending on how the ports are wired like it shows in the link I posted above, but that still won't do anything for 3D on the internal display... unless some sort of EDID override works like diNovoM mentioned I don't think there's any chance of getting 3D Vision to work with an internal display on an uncertified laptop.
3DTV Play might work with a 3DTV and 3D Vision might work with an external emitter and a 3D Vision Monitor but, unless it's actually a 3D Vision laptop, it's most likely not going to work with it...
I just tested this a couple of weeks ago on a Sager/Clevo laptop, very similar to Schenker. It doesn't work, and it doesn't have anything to do with Optimus, it's some sort of deliberate lockout on NVidia's part.
[url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/985436/3d-vision/red-blue-3d-glasses-with-3d-vision-/post/5053861/#5053861[/url]
If it's a laptop, you don't get the 3D Vision to light up, without attaching and using and external display. It's not possible to even get 3D Vision Discover to be available. Even if you connect an external display, it will not allow you set 3D active on the internal.
Pro-tip: avoid Optimus like the plague that it is. If your internal monitor is g-sync, that means no Optimus. Optimus ruins everything, including 3D Vision and g-sync, and has useless amounts of battery improvement. It's a joke technology.
I just tested this a couple of weeks ago on a Sager/Clevo laptop, very similar to Schenker. It doesn't work, and it doesn't have anything to do with Optimus, it's some sort of deliberate lockout on NVidia's part.
If it's a laptop, you don't get the 3D Vision to light up, without attaching and using and external display. It's not possible to even get 3D Vision Discover to be available. Even if you connect an external display, it will not allow you set 3D active on the internal.
Pro-tip: avoid Optimus like the plague that it is. If your internal monitor is g-sync, that means no Optimus. Optimus ruins everything, including 3D Vision and g-sync, and has useless amounts of battery improvement. It's a joke technology.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
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@bo3b Well, you did try it on a 75hz, not 120Hz and acc. to op it should be 3D compatible (either i think it is some misunderstanding with another display on same base model but i might be wrong). Yet i see your point as Discover was not possible. Some question: did you try a custom edid too? Or would you say it doesn't mater as it recognizes the display anyway? (i did encounter cases, where it would ignore EDID even on desktop monitor depending on the connection being used and a for a modern laptop ...)
@cgrothrock It might be worth a try with custom EDID (and using desktop drivers might be worth a try too). So i would say there are still chances, yet don't get your hopes on. In any case results would be nice to know if you're willing to try. If it fails, there might be a last way to force it as supported via dll modding but i am not that into that to know which files you would need to mod and in what way, so there might be just someone here who can help on that. Unsupported 3D Vision is kinda tricky (lets say at desktop above 90% on DVI-Protocol, 20% on HDMI, 50% on others...) and especially often fails on laptop that is more strict for some reason (lets say maybe 5%? But who am I to determine your chances, go and prove us wrong, that's the spirit!).
(On an idea i had i forgot that bo3b did test that already, so using an external 3d capable display you can't force it to use internal. You could just use it to make sure the emitter would be working correctly, so no driver re-installation necessary. Yet sure you can try 3D on internal display that way too, it's just a look after 3D on external display using the laptop works.)
@bo3b Well, you did try it on a 75hz, not 120Hz and acc. to op it should be 3D compatible (either i think it is some misunderstanding with another display on same base model but i might be wrong). Yet i see your point as Discover was not possible. Some question: did you try a custom edid too? Or would you say it doesn't mater as it recognizes the display anyway? (i did encounter cases, where it would ignore EDID even on desktop monitor depending on the connection being used and a for a modern laptop ...)
@cgrothrock It might be worth a try with custom EDID (and using desktop drivers might be worth a try too). So i would say there are still chances, yet don't get your hopes on. In any case results would be nice to know if you're willing to try. If it fails, there might be a last way to force it as supported via dll modding but i am not that into that to know which files you would need to mod and in what way, so there might be just someone here who can help on that. Unsupported 3D Vision is kinda tricky (lets say at desktop above 90% on DVI-Protocol, 20% on HDMI, 50% on others...) and especially often fails on laptop that is more strict for some reason (lets say maybe 5%? But who am I to determine your chances, go and prove us wrong, that's the spirit!).
(On an idea i had i forgot that bo3b did test that already, so using an external 3d capable display you can't force it to use internal. You could just use it to make sure the emitter would be working correctly, so no driver re-installation necessary. Yet sure you can try 3D on internal display that way too, it's just a look after 3D on external display using the laptop works.)
Just did some initial by eye testing with the Rift. I don't have the latency checker yet; however, I have a pretty good feel for latency (thanks to Rock Band). I'd estimate Optimus is adding 20-40 ms of Latency. This makes Oculus Rift COMPLETELY UNUSABLE. What an utter and complete failure! I'll put together a complete video warning together later (once I have the latency checker to give some hard #'s) to get the word out, since Nvidia obviously isn't going to update their completely misleading Laptop specs. I have no idea how they get away with this, especially with the tech-savy audience they have. Optimus should have been laughed off the market a few minutes after it came out :(
Asus Deluxe Gen3, Core i7 2700k@4.5Ghz, GTX 1080Ti, 16 GB RAM, Win 7 64bit
Samsung Pro 250 GB SSD, 4 TB WD Black (games)
Benq XL2720Z
Where did u get that? That would be new to me.
Well, you cant clearly see it on http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/3d-vision/supported-gpus
But Schenker is normally a trustable source: http://mysn.co.uk/xmg-u717-gaming-laptop
You might mixed it up with SLI: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/940535/?comment=4898755
(or with the removed naming as mobile parts are now more-less equal to desktop parts)
@cgrothrock Did you check? ;
So besides 120Hz is it marked as 3D Display, you have the inbuildt emitter? If not, is it at least a display with ulmb/some backlight? Besides that it seems similar to http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19542820. So ... what do you mean with clean install option? Did you use DDU to rly clean any leftovers?
Am i right your Laptop is one out of: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&brandid=2201&fid=9376 - hard to say if it is 3D capable/with backlight (yet it is likely so nowadays). Not even sure which one it is, anyway they seem they have problems, and repairs are available in march: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-17-r4-auo-qhd-panel.800191/ (just so u know in case u didn't)
Ah, yes, there was this laptop gpu-driver part depending where it is hooked at.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/571045/
...and scroll down to:
PART I.1 - LAPTOPS ONLY!!!
[MonitorSizeOverride][Global/Base Profile Tweaks][Depth=IPD]
@TsaebehT The link you sent looks like it's only to fix the issue for external monitors, but I am trying to make this work on the laptop screen which supports 3D.
[MonitorSizeOverride][Global/Base Profile Tweaks][Depth=IPD]
So first let's take a look on an driver issue: Geforce Experience is nice but it might still be not 100% clean. So at best uninstall everything, clean with DDU (http://www.wagnardsoft.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=5) in safe mode and reinstall: During setup choose custom install and check if both 3D entries are active. You might want to check Device Manager too If "Usb Controller\Nvidia Stereoscopic 3D USB Contr." is active and working flawless. The light at the emitter should also light up. (yet at win 10/8? may shortly dis- and reconnect the usb cable)
So if everything is working fine on driver side you might want to use a custom EDID. You need a file to a monitor that has the same resolution (incl. frequency) + monitor ports (including internal) as you, yet is 3D Vision supported. The problem i might see is the inbuildt monitor, yet external transmitter. Not sure if such combo officially exists. Since the displays are usually connected via internal Displayport, you might try an EDID with and external Displayport monitor (like the ASUS ROG Swift PG248Q suggesting it's the 1080p display as i can just see 1080p and 2160p at your link and last one wouldn't support 120Hz).
You can find information about creating/installing the EDID here: http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/edid-override/ and also files for several devices (below at "You can post ..."). Else you can also check homepages from manufactures like above for ASUS.
I only see two screen choices.
17.3 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) IPS Anti-Glare 300-nits Display with Tobii IR Eye-tracking
17.3 inch UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS Anti-Glare 300-nits Display with Tobii IR Eye-tracking
If you get this working, be sure to check out http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html
You might be able to get Stereoscopic 3D to appear in the Control Panel if you hook up an external display, depending on how the ports are wired like it shows in the link I posted above, but that still won't do anything for 3D on the internal display... unless some sort of EDID override works like diNovoM mentioned I don't think there's any chance of getting 3D Vision to work with an internal display on an uncertified laptop.
3DTV Play might work with a 3DTV and 3D Vision might work with an external emitter and a 3D Vision Monitor but, unless it's actually a 3D Vision laptop, it's most likely not going to work with it...
[MonitorSizeOverride][Global/Base Profile Tweaks][Depth=IPD]
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/985436/3d-vision/red-blue-3d-glasses-with-3d-vision-/post/5053861/#5053861
If it's a laptop, you don't get the 3D Vision to light up, without attaching and using and external display. It's not possible to even get 3D Vision Discover to be available. Even if you connect an external display, it will not allow you set 3D active on the internal.
Pro-tip: avoid Optimus like the plague that it is. If your internal monitor is g-sync, that means no Optimus. Optimus ruins everything, including 3D Vision and g-sync, and has useless amounts of battery improvement. It's a joke technology.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
@cgrothrock It might be worth a try with custom EDID (and using desktop drivers might be worth a try too). So i would say there are still chances, yet don't get your hopes on. In any case results would be nice to know if you're willing to try. If it fails, there might be a last way to force it as supported via dll modding but i am not that into that to know which files you would need to mod and in what way, so there might be just someone here who can help on that. Unsupported 3D Vision is kinda tricky (lets say at desktop above 90% on DVI-Protocol, 20% on HDMI, 50% on others...) and especially often fails on laptop that is more strict for some reason (lets say maybe 5%? But who am I to determine your chances, go and prove us wrong, that's the spirit!).
(On an idea i had i forgot that bo3b did test that already, so using an external 3d capable display you can't force it to use internal. You could just use it to make sure the emitter would be working correctly, so no driver re-installation necessary. Yet sure you can try 3D on internal display that way too, it's just a look after 3D on external display using the laptop works.)