3D vision on S27A950D
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Wow what a long post.

I try to give some answers:

[quote]you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot[/quote]
Yes this setting is essential for low ghosting and must be used

[quote]You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?
[/quote]
I also play with as much separation as possible and I would consider the ghosting level of this monitor as minor, though it is still there and may be visible depending on the scene. I can not compare to other 3D vision monitors but is is clearly better as with my Samsung Plasma HDTV running in checkerboard mode.

[quote]How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker?[/quote]
This monitor uses the same technology as the new 3D Vision 2 monitors, so yes, brightness level is good.

[quote]I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead?[/quote]
Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.

[quote]BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead[/quote]
Yes, you can select checkerboard mode then but it would have no effect as the S27A95 can't interpret this signal, only frame sequential over DVI.

[quote]Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses[/quote]
Yes the minitor use bluetooth and the glasses must be paired with the monitor. The link is rock solid and you can use 2 monitord side by side without any interference unlike with 3D Vision or other IR based products.

[quote]It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!! [/quote]
Yes it was a kick in my face
Wow what a long post.



I try to give some answers:



you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot


Yes this setting is essential for low ghosting and must be used



You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?



I also play with as much separation as possible and I would consider the ghosting level of this monitor as minor, though it is still there and may be visible depending on the scene. I can not compare to other 3D vision monitors but is is clearly better as with my Samsung Plasma HDTV running in checkerboard mode.



How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker?


This monitor uses the same technology as the new 3D Vision 2 monitors, so yes, brightness level is good.



I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead?


Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.



BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead


Yes, you can select checkerboard mode then but it would have no effect as the S27A95 can't interpret this signal, only frame sequential over DVI.



Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses


Yes the minitor use bluetooth and the glasses must be paired with the monitor. The link is rock solid and you can use 2 monitord side by side without any interference unlike with 3D Vision or other IR based products.



It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!!


Yes it was a kick in my face

#31
Posted 01/13/2012 09:38 PM   
Wow what a long post.

I try to give some answers:

[quote]you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot[/quote]
Yes this setting is essential for low ghosting and must be used

[quote]You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?
[/quote]
I also play with as much separation as possible and I would consider the ghosting level of this monitor as minor, though it is still there and may be visible depending on the scene. I can not compare to other 3D vision monitors but is is clearly better as with my Samsung Plasma HDTV running in checkerboard mode.

[quote]How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker?[/quote]
This monitor uses the same technology as the new 3D Vision 2 monitors, so yes, brightness level is good.

[quote]I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead?[/quote]
Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.

[quote]BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead[/quote]
Yes, you can select checkerboard mode then but it would have no effect as the S27A95 can't interpret this signal, only frame sequential over DVI.

[quote]Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses[/quote]
Yes the minitor use bluetooth and the glasses must be paired with the monitor. The link is rock solid and you can use 2 monitord side by side without any interference unlike with 3D Vision or other IR based products.

[quote]It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!! [/quote]
Yes it was a kick in my face
Wow what a long post.



I try to give some answers:



you get tons of ghosting but if you select normal for response time on the monitor OSD instead of faster it helps a lot


Yes this setting is essential for low ghosting and must be used



You said that ghosting level in this monitor using 3D Vision is quite good, I'm curious about that? I usually play at 50-80% depth. Will ghosting level look better in this monitor compared to my Alienware 3D display or most 3D Vision Ready displays?



I also play with as much separation as possible and I would consider the ghosting level of this monitor as minor, though it is still there and may be visible depending on the scene. I can not compare to other 3D vision monitors but is is clearly better as with my Samsung Plasma HDTV running in checkerboard mode.



How are the brightness in 3D using this monitor with 3D Vision in Generic CRT mode? Is it like most 3D Vision Ready monitors, or is it brighter or darker?


This monitor uses the same technology as the new 3D Vision 2 monitors, so yes, brightness level is good.



I have thought about changing Samsung S27A950D EDID and replace it by the Alienware 3D Vision Ready display EDID and in that case maybe Nvidia drivers will be fooled thinking that Samsung S27A950D is a 3D Vision Ready display instead?


Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.



BTW, I could also use the EDID I'm using in my Samsung TV and use it for the Samsung S27A950D monitor, and then also get Checkerboard mode besides Generic CRT as Nvidia drivers will think I'm using a DLP TV instead


Yes, you can select checkerboard mode then but it would have no effect as the S27A95 can't interpret this signal, only frame sequential over DVI.



Also, Does the Samsung S27A950D uses bluetooth to comunicate with its 3D glasses instead of IR? If so I read somewhere that it has much less syncing issues compared to older IR 3D glasses


Yes the minitor use bluetooth and the glasses must be paired with the monitor. The link is rock solid and you can use 2 monitord side by side without any interference unlike with 3D Vision or other IR based products.



It sucks to know that the best 3D monitor out there doesn't oficially support the best 3D solution. What a waste!!!!!


Yes it was a kick in my face

#32
Posted 01/13/2012 09:38 PM   
Hiya,

Just to clarify, I don't own this monitor but Nobsi does and as you can see, he's very knowledgeable so his replies should be able to help you decide.

I don't agree with Nvidia removing features that already exist in the drivers, like CRT support in this case, but at the same time, I don't blame them for not supporting competitor solutions. It honestly sounds to me like CRT support was a casualty of closing what they considered a loophole used to support monitors like this Samsung. I already wrote a lot about what I think Nvidia's reasons might be and really can't find a fault with them from a business perspective. Ultimately, they will do what is best for them and if you use Nvidia products, that means they are also doing what's best for their customers in the long run to keep 3D Vision alive and kicking.

I didn't look too much into your potential workarounds but I have seen some USB EDID spoofing devices out there, just be careful getting too explicit here as that is probably against TOS and liable to get removed. I think if you look around the web for some solutions you can still get this to work, there's enough smart people out there to workaround the roadblocks Nvidia has put in place, just fair warning you may always have to find that solution as long as you own this monitor.
Hiya,



Just to clarify, I don't own this monitor but Nobsi does and as you can see, he's very knowledgeable so his replies should be able to help you decide.



I don't agree with Nvidia removing features that already exist in the drivers, like CRT support in this case, but at the same time, I don't blame them for not supporting competitor solutions. It honestly sounds to me like CRT support was a casualty of closing what they considered a loophole used to support monitors like this Samsung. I already wrote a lot about what I think Nvidia's reasons might be and really can't find a fault with them from a business perspective. Ultimately, they will do what is best for them and if you use Nvidia products, that means they are also doing what's best for their customers in the long run to keep 3D Vision alive and kicking.



I didn't look too much into your potential workarounds but I have seen some USB EDID spoofing devices out there, just be careful getting too explicit here as that is probably against TOS and liable to get removed. I think if you look around the web for some solutions you can still get this to work, there's enough smart people out there to workaround the roadblocks Nvidia has put in place, just fair warning you may always have to find that solution as long as you own this monitor.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#33
Posted 01/13/2012 10:46 PM   
Hiya,

Just to clarify, I don't own this monitor but Nobsi does and as you can see, he's very knowledgeable so his replies should be able to help you decide.

I don't agree with Nvidia removing features that already exist in the drivers, like CRT support in this case, but at the same time, I don't blame them for not supporting competitor solutions. It honestly sounds to me like CRT support was a casualty of closing what they considered a loophole used to support monitors like this Samsung. I already wrote a lot about what I think Nvidia's reasons might be and really can't find a fault with them from a business perspective. Ultimately, they will do what is best for them and if you use Nvidia products, that means they are also doing what's best for their customers in the long run to keep 3D Vision alive and kicking.

I didn't look too much into your potential workarounds but I have seen some USB EDID spoofing devices out there, just be careful getting too explicit here as that is probably against TOS and liable to get removed. I think if you look around the web for some solutions you can still get this to work, there's enough smart people out there to workaround the roadblocks Nvidia has put in place, just fair warning you may always have to find that solution as long as you own this monitor.
Hiya,



Just to clarify, I don't own this monitor but Nobsi does and as you can see, he's very knowledgeable so his replies should be able to help you decide.



I don't agree with Nvidia removing features that already exist in the drivers, like CRT support in this case, but at the same time, I don't blame them for not supporting competitor solutions. It honestly sounds to me like CRT support was a casualty of closing what they considered a loophole used to support monitors like this Samsung. I already wrote a lot about what I think Nvidia's reasons might be and really can't find a fault with them from a business perspective. Ultimately, they will do what is best for them and if you use Nvidia products, that means they are also doing what's best for their customers in the long run to keep 3D Vision alive and kicking.



I didn't look too much into your potential workarounds but I have seen some USB EDID spoofing devices out there, just be careful getting too explicit here as that is probably against TOS and liable to get removed. I think if you look around the web for some solutions you can still get this to work, there's enough smart people out there to workaround the roadblocks Nvidia has put in place, just fair warning you may always have to find that solution as long as you own this monitor.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#34
Posted 01/13/2012 10:46 PM   
Chiz,

I don't think Nvidia will care about those EDID tricks since most of their customers are not that technical and won't care or read this thread or post. For example, maybe a 1% of their customers do EDID tricks to avoid those limitations. I would consider a desrespect to Nvidia to post links here about 3D Vision emulator or even mention that here in Nvidia forum. Now in my view, I still want to be a Nvidia 3D Vision user. I have a 3D Vision kit and also an extra pair of glasses. I may sell my extra glasses in case I buy this Samsung monitor, but I'll never sell my 3DVision kit as I'll always use my emitter. I love 3D Vision and it's a pitty Samsung doesn't oficially support Nvidia anymore. Samsung 3D solutions are by far superior to Asus and Acer and I've been really looking towards to a nice LED glossy screen in 27", That's all I want and all those other companies like Acer, Asus, Planar and Benq all rely on ugly anti glare matte screens with that nasty sparkle effect and washed out colours. This Samsung monitor just blows away the competition and I know Nvidia is aware of that.

I'm still going to use Nvidia 3D Vision, I'll keep my 2 GTX 480, 3DV emitter, but I'll use Samsung glasses instead as Nvidia ones won't work with this monitor. I just don't want those 3D Vision Ready 27" monitors solutions cause they all have matte screens, period. Nvidia should ask for one of its partners to make glossy screens, give us customers choice, come one. I would buy a 27" 3D Vision Ready monitor if there was a clear glossy screen solution available. I'll just combine the best monitor with the best 3D solution and try to see what results I'll get.

Nobsi,

Thanks for answering my questions. You said: Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.

Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software? How can you do that, have you tried that deal already? PM me if you prefer about this matter.

Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work?? I've done a EDID overide based on a 2008 HDMI 1.3 Samsung 3DTV with my HDMI 1.4 C7000 Samsung 3DTV and Nvidia drivers give me DLP and Generic CRT mode instead of 3DTV Play, so I don't see why it woudn't work? What is possible is the end result not looking well like lots of ghosting and sync issues.

Now if you made your monitor work in Generic CRT mode, it should be the same effect in case the EDID overide works, cause 3D Vision Ready and Generic CRT modes are both Frame Sequential 1080p120hz, aren't they?

So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?

I've sent you a PM...
Chiz,



I don't think Nvidia will care about those EDID tricks since most of their customers are not that technical and won't care or read this thread or post. For example, maybe a 1% of their customers do EDID tricks to avoid those limitations. I would consider a desrespect to Nvidia to post links here about 3D Vision emulator or even mention that here in Nvidia forum. Now in my view, I still want to be a Nvidia 3D Vision user. I have a 3D Vision kit and also an extra pair of glasses. I may sell my extra glasses in case I buy this Samsung monitor, but I'll never sell my 3DVision kit as I'll always use my emitter. I love 3D Vision and it's a pitty Samsung doesn't oficially support Nvidia anymore. Samsung 3D solutions are by far superior to Asus and Acer and I've been really looking towards to a nice LED glossy screen in 27", That's all I want and all those other companies like Acer, Asus, Planar and Benq all rely on ugly anti glare matte screens with that nasty sparkle effect and washed out colours. This Samsung monitor just blows away the competition and I know Nvidia is aware of that.



I'm still going to use Nvidia 3D Vision, I'll keep my 2 GTX 480, 3DV emitter, but I'll use Samsung glasses instead as Nvidia ones won't work with this monitor. I just don't want those 3D Vision Ready 27" monitors solutions cause they all have matte screens, period. Nvidia should ask for one of its partners to make glossy screens, give us customers choice, come one. I would buy a 27" 3D Vision Ready monitor if there was a clear glossy screen solution available. I'll just combine the best monitor with the best 3D solution and try to see what results I'll get.



Nobsi,



Thanks for answering my questions. You said: Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.



Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software? How can you do that, have you tried that deal already? PM me if you prefer about this matter.



Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work?? I've done a EDID overide based on a 2008 HDMI 1.3 Samsung 3DTV with my HDMI 1.4 C7000 Samsung 3DTV and Nvidia drivers give me DLP and Generic CRT mode instead of 3DTV Play, so I don't see why it woudn't work? What is possible is the end result not looking well like lots of ghosting and sync issues.



Now if you made your monitor work in Generic CRT mode, it should be the same effect in case the EDID overide works, cause 3D Vision Ready and Generic CRT modes are both Frame Sequential 1080p120hz, aren't they?



So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?



I've sent you a PM...

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#35
Posted 01/14/2012 01:35 AM   
Chiz,

I don't think Nvidia will care about those EDID tricks since most of their customers are not that technical and won't care or read this thread or post. For example, maybe a 1% of their customers do EDID tricks to avoid those limitations. I would consider a desrespect to Nvidia to post links here about 3D Vision emulator or even mention that here in Nvidia forum. Now in my view, I still want to be a Nvidia 3D Vision user. I have a 3D Vision kit and also an extra pair of glasses. I may sell my extra glasses in case I buy this Samsung monitor, but I'll never sell my 3DVision kit as I'll always use my emitter. I love 3D Vision and it's a pitty Samsung doesn't oficially support Nvidia anymore. Samsung 3D solutions are by far superior to Asus and Acer and I've been really looking towards to a nice LED glossy screen in 27", That's all I want and all those other companies like Acer, Asus, Planar and Benq all rely on ugly anti glare matte screens with that nasty sparkle effect and washed out colours. This Samsung monitor just blows away the competition and I know Nvidia is aware of that.

I'm still going to use Nvidia 3D Vision, I'll keep my 2 GTX 480, 3DV emitter, but I'll use Samsung glasses instead as Nvidia ones won't work with this monitor. I just don't want those 3D Vision Ready 27" monitors solutions cause they all have matte screens, period. Nvidia should ask for one of its partners to make glossy screens, give us customers choice, come one. I would buy a 27" 3D Vision Ready monitor if there was a clear glossy screen solution available. I'll just combine the best monitor with the best 3D solution and try to see what results I'll get.

Nobsi,

Thanks for answering my questions. You said: Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.

Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software? How can you do that, have you tried that deal already? PM me if you prefer about this matter.

Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work?? I've done a EDID overide based on a 2008 HDMI 1.3 Samsung 3DTV with my HDMI 1.4 C7000 Samsung 3DTV and Nvidia drivers give me DLP and Generic CRT mode instead of 3DTV Play, so I don't see why it woudn't work? What is possible is the end result not looking well like lots of ghosting and sync issues.

Now if you made your monitor work in Generic CRT mode, it should be the same effect in case the EDID overide works, cause 3D Vision Ready and Generic CRT modes are both Frame Sequential 1080p120hz, aren't they?

So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?

I've sent you a PM...
Chiz,



I don't think Nvidia will care about those EDID tricks since most of their customers are not that technical and won't care or read this thread or post. For example, maybe a 1% of their customers do EDID tricks to avoid those limitations. I would consider a desrespect to Nvidia to post links here about 3D Vision emulator or even mention that here in Nvidia forum. Now in my view, I still want to be a Nvidia 3D Vision user. I have a 3D Vision kit and also an extra pair of glasses. I may sell my extra glasses in case I buy this Samsung monitor, but I'll never sell my 3DVision kit as I'll always use my emitter. I love 3D Vision and it's a pitty Samsung doesn't oficially support Nvidia anymore. Samsung 3D solutions are by far superior to Asus and Acer and I've been really looking towards to a nice LED glossy screen in 27", That's all I want and all those other companies like Acer, Asus, Planar and Benq all rely on ugly anti glare matte screens with that nasty sparkle effect and washed out colours. This Samsung monitor just blows away the competition and I know Nvidia is aware of that.



I'm still going to use Nvidia 3D Vision, I'll keep my 2 GTX 480, 3DV emitter, but I'll use Samsung glasses instead as Nvidia ones won't work with this monitor. I just don't want those 3D Vision Ready 27" monitors solutions cause they all have matte screens, period. Nvidia should ask for one of its partners to make glossy screens, give us customers choice, come one. I would buy a 27" 3D Vision Ready monitor if there was a clear glossy screen solution available. I'll just combine the best monitor with the best 3D solution and try to see what results I'll get.



Nobsi,



Thanks for answering my questions. You said: Using a DVI ghost device with this EDID will completely fool the driver, there is nothing that nVida can do against it. Using the registry EDID override trick may not work though.



Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software? How can you do that, have you tried that deal already? PM me if you prefer about this matter.



Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work?? I've done a EDID overide based on a 2008 HDMI 1.3 Samsung 3DTV with my HDMI 1.4 C7000 Samsung 3DTV and Nvidia drivers give me DLP and Generic CRT mode instead of 3DTV Play, so I don't see why it woudn't work? What is possible is the end result not looking well like lots of ghosting and sync issues.



Now if you made your monitor work in Generic CRT mode, it should be the same effect in case the EDID overide works, cause 3D Vision Ready and Generic CRT modes are both Frame Sequential 1080p120hz, aren't they?



So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?



I've sent you a PM...

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#36
Posted 01/14/2012 01:35 AM   
[quote]Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software?[/quote]
This is a hardware device that is connected between the computer (or other DVI/HDMI source) and the monitor, overriding the connected monitors EDID at hardware level. Normally you need the "faked" monitor initially to program its EDID into the device.
Examples are the Gefen DVI Detective, Adder Ghost or HDFury Dr HDMI, with the last one beeing the most interesting as it can be programmed via USB, so no need to have access to the original monitor (which EDID should be faked) during programing. You just need the EDID file.

[quote]Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work??[/quote]
As it is software based nVidia may defeat it in future driver versions

[quote]So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?[/quote]
As I said I play with maximal depth possible (separation level at my eye distance) and found ghosting to be less noticable than with my plasma HDTV. In Dirt3 for example I did barely notice any ghosting.
I have to say though that I own an Acer H9500BD 1080p 3D DLP projector shortly and with this there is really 0,0000% ghosting. So there is still much room for improvement for the LCD based 3D monitors like the Samsung.
Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software?


This is a hardware device that is connected between the computer (or other DVI/HDMI source) and the monitor, overriding the connected monitors EDID at hardware level. Normally you need the "faked" monitor initially to program its EDID into the device.

Examples are the Gefen DVI Detective, Adder Ghost or HDFury Dr HDMI, with the last one beeing the most interesting as it can be programmed via USB, so no need to have access to the original monitor (which EDID should be faked) during programing. You just need the EDID file.



Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work??


As it is software based nVidia may defeat it in future driver versions



So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?


As I said I play with maximal depth possible (separation level at my eye distance) and found ghosting to be less noticable than with my plasma HDTV. In Dirt3 for example I did barely notice any ghosting.

I have to say though that I own an Acer H9500BD 1080p 3D DLP projector shortly and with this there is really 0,0000% ghosting. So there is still much room for improvement for the LCD based 3D monitors like the Samsung.

#37
Posted 01/14/2012 11:55 AM   
[quote]Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software?[/quote]
This is a hardware device that is connected between the computer (or other DVI/HDMI source) and the monitor, overriding the connected monitors EDID at hardware level. Normally you need the "faked" monitor initially to program its EDID into the device.
Examples are the Gefen DVI Detective, Adder Ghost or HDFury Dr HDMI, with the last one beeing the most interesting as it can be programmed via USB, so no need to have access to the original monitor (which EDID should be faked) during programing. You just need the EDID file.

[quote]Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work??[/quote]
As it is software based nVidia may defeat it in future driver versions

[quote]So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?[/quote]
As I said I play with maximal depth possible (separation level at my eye distance) and found ghosting to be less noticable than with my plasma HDTV. In Dirt3 for example I did barely notice any ghosting.
I have to say though that I own an Acer H9500BD 1080p 3D DLP projector shortly and with this there is really 0,0000% ghosting. So there is still much room for improvement for the LCD based 3D monitors like the Samsung.
Can you explain how does this DVI ghost device work?? Is that a hardware hack or software?


This is a hardware device that is connected between the computer (or other DVI/HDMI source) and the monitor, overriding the connected monitors EDID at hardware level. Normally you need the "faked" monitor initially to program its EDID into the device.

Examples are the Gefen DVI Detective, Adder Ghost or HDFury Dr HDMI, with the last one beeing the most interesting as it can be programmed via USB, so no need to have access to the original monitor (which EDID should be faked) during programing. You just need the EDID file.



Why do you think the registry EDID trick may not work??


As it is software based nVidia may defeat it in future driver versions



So, if you use normal response time in the monitor ODS, even using a higher depth than 50% using Generic CRT mode for 3D Vision you stll find ghosting level acceptable and better than your Plasma 3D TV?


As I said I play with maximal depth possible (separation level at my eye distance) and found ghosting to be less noticable than with my plasma HDTV. In Dirt3 for example I did barely notice any ghosting.

I have to say though that I own an Acer H9500BD 1080p 3D DLP projector shortly and with this there is really 0,0000% ghosting. So there is still much room for improvement for the LCD based 3D monitors like the Samsung.

#38
Posted 01/14/2012 11:55 AM   
I'm pretty sure once this Samsung monitor works with 3D Vision using a EDID override or CRT Generic mode it will look fantastic in 3D because the glossy screen is fantastic and I bet it will look better than the new Acer or Asus 27" with 3D Vision 2. I'll find a way to order this monitor and try it for myself, I have faith it's going to work. I mean it will be pleasent to play 3D Vision games using this monitor cause it has 120hz, DVI-D and supports frame sequential. It has all the required hardware, the rest is all about certification and licence to be officialy supported by 3D Vision.
I'm pretty sure once this Samsung monitor works with 3D Vision using a EDID override or CRT Generic mode it will look fantastic in 3D because the glossy screen is fantastic and I bet it will look better than the new Acer or Asus 27" with 3D Vision 2. I'll find a way to order this monitor and try it for myself, I have faith it's going to work. I mean it will be pleasent to play 3D Vision games using this monitor cause it has 120hz, DVI-D and supports frame sequential. It has all the required hardware, the rest is all about certification and licence to be officialy supported by 3D Vision.

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#39
Posted 01/16/2012 02:47 PM   
What a complete joke. I bought a new system last month & having had a great experience with my previous PC which had an nVidia card and Samsung monitor, I went for the same combination again, except I had to save extra for a new monitor so only got that last week.
Alas! Little did I know that I wouldn't be able to play true 3D content using frame sequential mode due to my choice! So after spending around $800 for both items, I am left feeling somewhat ripped off and poorly treated as a consumer. I don't care which company is at fault, quite frankly I think it should be nVidia that allows generic monitor use for those of us that decided to buy the best monitor on the market in this price range.
I am planning on updating my video card in Q3 of this year, I guess I'll be going ATI...
Yes, what is supported is Side by Side mode using TriDef software, but the only game I want to play 3D (Skyrim) isn't one that's supported.
What a complete joke. I bought a new system last month & having had a great experience with my previous PC which had an nVidia card and Samsung monitor, I went for the same combination again, except I had to save extra for a new monitor so only got that last week.

Alas! Little did I know that I wouldn't be able to play true 3D content using frame sequential mode due to my choice! So after spending around $800 for both items, I am left feeling somewhat ripped off and poorly treated as a consumer. I don't care which company is at fault, quite frankly I think it should be nVidia that allows generic monitor use for those of us that decided to buy the best monitor on the market in this price range.

I am planning on updating my video card in Q3 of this year, I guess I'll be going ATI...

Yes, what is supported is Side by Side mode using TriDef software, but the only game I want to play 3D (Skyrim) isn't one that's supported.

#40
Posted 03/11/2012 10:31 AM   
[quote name='cinder' date='11 March 2012 - 06:31 AM' timestamp='1331461872' post='1381242']
What a complete joke. I bought a new system last month & having had a great experience with my previous PC which had an nVidia card and Samsung monitor, I went for the same combination again, except I had to save extra for a new monitor so only got that last week.
Alas! Little did I know that I wouldn't be able to play true 3D content using frame sequential mode due to my choice! So after spending around $800 for both items, I am left feeling somewhat ripped off and poorly treated as a consumer. I don't care which company is at fault, quite frankly I think it should be nVidia that allows generic monitor use for those of us that decided to buy the best monitor on the market in this price range.
I am planning on updating my video card in Q3 of this year, I guess I'll be going ATI...
Yes, what is supported is Side by Side mode using TriDef software, but the only game I want to play 3D (Skyrim) isn't one that's supported.
[/quote]
Yes its unfortunate that company politics have gotten in the way here to interrupt the end-user experience, but in the end companies do have to look out for their own best interests. Generally with big ticket items like this, its best to do a bit of research before buying, especially if it can lead to the kind of angst, frustration, and disappointment of finding out after the fact that support or features just aren't what you expected.

As for ATI and 3D, best of luck with that, in the meantime you can use DDD with Skyrim in 3D, its just not as good as the Nvidia 3D options (with HeliX mod).
[quote name='cinder' date='11 March 2012 - 06:31 AM' timestamp='1331461872' post='1381242']

What a complete joke. I bought a new system last month & having had a great experience with my previous PC which had an nVidia card and Samsung monitor, I went for the same combination again, except I had to save extra for a new monitor so only got that last week.

Alas! Little did I know that I wouldn't be able to play true 3D content using frame sequential mode due to my choice! So after spending around $800 for both items, I am left feeling somewhat ripped off and poorly treated as a consumer. I don't care which company is at fault, quite frankly I think it should be nVidia that allows generic monitor use for those of us that decided to buy the best monitor on the market in this price range.

I am planning on updating my video card in Q3 of this year, I guess I'll be going ATI...

Yes, what is supported is Side by Side mode using TriDef software, but the only game I want to play 3D (Skyrim) isn't one that's supported.



Yes its unfortunate that company politics have gotten in the way here to interrupt the end-user experience, but in the end companies do have to look out for their own best interests. Generally with big ticket items like this, its best to do a bit of research before buying, especially if it can lead to the kind of angst, frustration, and disappointment of finding out after the fact that support or features just aren't what you expected.



As for ATI and 3D, best of luck with that, in the meantime you can use DDD with Skyrim in 3D, its just not as good as the Nvidia 3D options (with HeliX mod).

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#41
Posted 03/11/2012 01:37 PM   
Nvidia are certainly not doing any good in this policy. In fact they add even more to the great confusion of today 3d. Nvidia makes graphiccards and 3d-glasses. Period! There's no reason not supporting samsungs just because they have their own glasses (which do not replace nvidias in any way). Common sense is not usable here...
Nvidia are certainly not doing any good in this policy. In fact they add even more to the great confusion of today 3d. Nvidia makes graphiccards and 3d-glasses. Period! There's no reason not supporting samsungs just because they have their own glasses (which do not replace nvidias in any way). Common sense is not usable here...

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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe

Cpu: C2D E6600

Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX

3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D

Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.

#42
Posted 03/11/2012 02:01 PM   
[quote name='Likay' date='11 March 2012 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1331474477' post='1381285']
Nvidia are certainly not doing any good in this policy. In fact they add even more to the great confusion of today 3d. Nvidia makes graphiccards and 3d-glasses. Period! There's no reason not supporting samsungs just because they have their own glasses (which do not replace nvidias in any way). Common sense is not usable here...
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Likay, by this logic, why doesn't Samsung support Nvidia glasses? Sony glasses? LG glasses? Pioneer glasses?

Reason is obvious, the glasses are where the money is and everyone wants their piece of the pie. If you don't protect your own interests and support everyone's solution you have no leverage and there is no incentive for anyone to buy your solution.
[quote name='Likay' date='11 March 2012 - 10:01 AM' timestamp='1331474477' post='1381285']

Nvidia are certainly not doing any good in this policy. In fact they add even more to the great confusion of today 3d. Nvidia makes graphiccards and 3d-glasses. Period! There's no reason not supporting samsungs just because they have their own glasses (which do not replace nvidias in any way). Common sense is not usable here...



Likay, by this logic, why doesn't Samsung support Nvidia glasses? Sony glasses? LG glasses? Pioneer glasses?



Reason is obvious, the glasses are where the money is and everyone wants their piece of the pie. If you don't protect your own interests and support everyone's solution you have no leverage and there is no incentive for anyone to buy your solution.

-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings

Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W

#43
Posted 03/11/2012 02:11 PM   
You'd still need an nvidiacard to use the nvidia 3d-stereo right?
Out of curiousity: What happens if you have got the nvidia 3d-visionkit and a samsungmonitor? Is 3d supported then?
You'd still need an nvidiacard to use the nvidia 3d-stereo right?

Out of curiousity: What happens if you have got the nvidia 3d-visionkit and a samsungmonitor? Is 3d supported then?

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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe

Cpu: C2D E6600

Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX

3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D

Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.

#44
Posted 03/11/2012 03:38 PM   
[quote name='Likay' date='12 March 2012 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1331480315' post='1381312']
You'd still need an nvidiacard to use the nvidia 3d-stereo right?
Out of curiousity: What happens if you have got the nvidia 3d-visionkit and a samsungmonitor? Is 3d supported then?
[/quote]

Nope, it still isn't supported (with this Samsung monitor). I feel even more sorry for these people that also forked out for the 3D vision and still no joy (at least, not without having to stop at the old 285.62 drivers. They would be able to use those drivers and the 3D emitter dongle to get around the problem).
[quote name='Likay' date='12 March 2012 - 01:38 AM' timestamp='1331480315' post='1381312']

You'd still need an nvidiacard to use the nvidia 3d-stereo right?

Out of curiousity: What happens if you have got the nvidia 3d-visionkit and a samsungmonitor? Is 3d supported then?





Nope, it still isn't supported (with this Samsung monitor). I feel even more sorry for these people that also forked out for the 3D vision and still no joy (at least, not without having to stop at the old 285.62 drivers. They would be able to use those drivers and the 3D emitter dongle to get around the problem).

#45
Posted 03/12/2012 02:46 AM   
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