Indigomod - DX11 wrapper by Chiri and elbarterino - Bioshock Infinite
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That's really disappointing. You put a lot of hard work into this, I donated $250, and I would have been happy to see this released. I hope you reconsider.
That's really disappointing. You put a lot of hard work into this, I donated $250, and I would have been happy to see this released. I hope you reconsider.

Posted 08/03/2013 08:06 PM   
Don't like the attitude toward the community. We were all supportive, and nobody said things like "Helix to the rescue, screw Chiri's fix, "now we get something for free, why pay greedy indigomod, who just want's money for something that should be free", etc. All comments were positive and people KEPT DONATING after Helix announced his mod. I was gonna put in another 50.00 tomorrow also. Don't understand the childish nature of this comment. Maybe you posted while drunk, or very emotional, but it's not too late to put a retraction. I can imagine it's frustration to be working so hard on something and then someone else releases something and beats you to the punch for free. But, I believe the community wouldn't mind paying for your wrapper. Also, maybe just release your beta fix to the public. Don't just delete everything you have done. Maybe your WIP patch can even help Helix with his. I'm sure your a huge 3D gaming fan so why not let someone else at least benefit from your hard work. You will also reap the benefits from future Helix game patches. Will you not?
Don't like the attitude toward the community. We were all supportive, and nobody said things like "Helix to the rescue, screw Chiri's fix, "now we get something for free, why pay greedy indigomod, who just want's money for something that should be free", etc.

All comments were positive and people KEPT DONATING after Helix announced his mod. I was gonna put in another 50.00 tomorrow also.

Don't understand the childish nature of this comment. Maybe you posted while drunk, or very emotional, but it's not too late to put a retraction. I can imagine it's frustration to be working so hard on something and then someone else releases something and beats you to the punch for free. But, I believe the community wouldn't mind paying for your wrapper.

Also, maybe just release your beta fix to the public. Don't just delete everything you have done. Maybe your WIP patch can even help Helix with his. I'm sure your a huge 3D gaming fan so why not let someone else at least benefit from your hard work. You will also reap the benefits from future Helix game patches. Will you not?

Posted 08/03/2013 08:15 PM   
Yeah, I donoted this morning. I figured: why spent a lot of money on food? I got myself 1 bread today and that's all I have been eating today: bread (with nothing on top of it) and water.
Yeah, I donoted this morning. I figured: why spent a lot of money on food? I got myself 1 bread today and that's all I have been eating today: bread (with nothing on top of it) and water.

Posted 08/03/2013 08:27 PM   
[quote="Conan481"] Maybe you posted while drunk, or very emotional, but it's not too late to put a retraction.[/quote] I think he was extremely emotional, I tried to talk him round, but I think his mind is set. He felt very strongly about taking peoples money, when their was a alternative (helix) fix available for free. On that part, he see's he is doing the right thing, by stopping the campaign before it's end, everyone would get their money back. He quite easily could have self funded the balance and taken the money and ran. His principles are not in question. He was working with the community for a 3D fix. I totally agree, it's very disappointing that he has decided to end it, and the wording left a awful lot to be desired but I honestly believe that was a emotional reaction. Speaking to Chiri, he feels that the helixmod was clearly a very good mod, possibly better than the indigomod. He feels it would have been hard to justify taking money for the mod, when a 'better' wrapper was freely available. Few of us will agree with him, but lets try and move on. im over it and I spent many, many, many, many, hours working with the mod, with website/facebook and testing/recording/uploading of videos. Lets now concentrate on the wrapper we have left, and hopefully lets try understand the workings of the helixmod and try to have even more contributors using his fix.
Conan481 said: Maybe you posted while drunk, or very emotional, but it's not too late to put a retraction.


I think he was extremely emotional, I tried to talk him round, but I think his mind is set. He felt very strongly about taking peoples money, when their was a alternative (helix) fix available for free.

On that part, he see's he is doing the right thing, by stopping the campaign before it's end, everyone would get their money back. He quite easily could have self funded the balance and taken the money and ran. His principles are not in question. He was working with the community for a 3D fix.

I totally agree, it's very disappointing that he has decided to end it, and the wording left a awful lot to be desired but I honestly believe that was a emotional reaction.

Speaking to Chiri, he feels that the helixmod was clearly a very good mod, possibly better than the indigomod. He feels it would have been hard to justify taking money for the mod, when a 'better' wrapper was freely available.

Few of us will agree with him, but lets try and move on. im over it and I spent many, many, many, many, hours working with the mod, with website/facebook and testing/recording/uploading of videos.

Lets now concentrate on the wrapper we have left, and hopefully lets try understand the workings of the helixmod and try to have even more contributors using his fix.

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Posted 08/03/2013 08:34 PM   
Money buys stuff. People want stuff. I want stuff. Chiri and co wants stuff ...and they want it more than they want to put effort into a DX11 fix. Its pretty simple and its a totally legitimate and common set of desires. I haven't thought about this for more than 2 seconds, but it seems a results based donation setup would be best, with paypal accounts for Helix, Chiri (and others) freely open for donations with notes from each developers giving guidelines for what they want and don't want from people. For example, i doubt Helix wants any low-income people giving significant amounts of their income to him.
Money buys stuff. People want stuff. I want stuff. Chiri and co wants stuff ...and they want it more than they want to put effort into a DX11 fix. Its pretty simple and its a totally legitimate and common set of desires.

I haven't thought about this for more than 2 seconds, but it seems a results based donation setup would be best, with paypal accounts for Helix, Chiri (and others) freely open for donations with notes from each developers giving guidelines for what they want and don't want from people. For example, i doubt Helix wants any low-income people giving significant amounts of their income to him.

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Posted 08/03/2013 08:36 PM   
[quote="solutiongaming"] His principles are not in question. He was working with the community for a 3D fix. I totally agree, it's very disappointing that he has decided to end it, and the wording left a awful lot to be desired but I honestly believe that was a emotional reaction. [/quote] Thank you for your insight SG, it is highly appreciated. All those saved files i sent to you were for nothing! Ah well, hopefully your work generated some site traffic :-) Can I ask though, if his principles are not in question will the work he has done be released? Because surely binning it, and leaving a message to the community with a subtext that aims to make us feel guilty for having an alternative modder helping us out wouldn't be terribly principled. I really hope you are right, and it's just frustration that another has done better work with no intention of compensation for their time. But if the goal was a nobel one, as you said, to help the community with fixing 3D, then surely we will see his work being published even if it's incomplete?
solutiongaming said:
His principles are not in question. He was working with the community for a 3D fix. I totally agree, it's very disappointing that he has decided to end it, and the wording left a awful lot to be desired but I honestly believe that was a emotional reaction.

Thank you for your insight SG, it is highly appreciated. All those saved files i sent to you were for nothing! Ah well, hopefully your work generated some site traffic :-)

Can I ask though, if his principles are not in question will the work he has done be released? Because surely binning it, and leaving a message to the community with a subtext that aims to make us feel guilty for having an alternative modder helping us out wouldn't be terribly principled. I really hope you are right, and it's just frustration that another has done better work with no intention of compensation for their time. But if the goal was a nobel one, as you said, to help the community with fixing 3D, then surely we will see his work being published even if it's incomplete?

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Posted 08/03/2013 08:44 PM   
I can't speak for Helix but I think he doesn't want to feel obligated to fix every game that someone has a request for if money was involved. We have seen fixes for many of the major DX9-based games over the last year so he has done the community a great service with that and the tools he developed that others have used. I just hope Chiri remains part of the community as he seems like a good guy to me.
I can't speak for Helix but I think he doesn't want to feel obligated to fix every game that someone has a request for if money was involved. We have seen fixes for many of the major DX9-based games over the last year so he has done the community a great service with that and the tools he developed that others have used.

I just hope Chiri remains part of the community as he seems like a good guy to me.

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Posted 08/03/2013 08:48 PM   
[quote="foreverseeking"][quote="solutiongaming"] His principles are not in question. He was working with the community for a 3D fix. I totally agree, it's very disappointing that he has decided to end it, and the wording left a awful lot to be desired but I honestly believe that was a emotional reaction. [/quote] Thank you for your insight SG, it is highly appreciated. All those saved files i sent to you were for nothing! Ah well, hopefully your work generated some site traffic :-) Can I ask though, if his principles are not in question will the work he has done be released? Because surely binning it, and leaving a message to the community with a subtext that aims to make us feel guilty for having an alternative modder helping us out wouldn't be terribly principled. I really hope you are right, and it's just frustration that another has done better work with no intention of compensation for their time. But if the goal was a nobel one, as you said, to help the community with fixing 3D, then surely we will see his work being published even if it's incomplete? [/quote] a fair point foreverseeking, I can ask chiri the question.
foreverseeking said:
solutiongaming said:
His principles are not in question. He was working with the community for a 3D fix. I totally agree, it's very disappointing that he has decided to end it, and the wording left a awful lot to be desired but I honestly believe that was a emotional reaction.

Thank you for your insight SG, it is highly appreciated. All those saved files i sent to you were for nothing! Ah well, hopefully your work generated some site traffic :-)

Can I ask though, if his principles are not in question will the work he has done be released? Because surely binning it, and leaving a message to the community with a subtext that aims to make us feel guilty for having an alternative modder helping us out wouldn't be terribly principled. I really hope you are right, and it's just frustration that another has done better work with no intention of compensation for their time. But if the goal was a nobel one, as you said, to help the community with fixing 3D, then surely we will see his work being published even if it's incomplete?



a fair point foreverseeking, I can ask chiri the question.

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Posted 08/03/2013 08:51 PM   
Cheers SG. He's obviously a talented guy, and would be a shame for this project to blow up, and leave bad feelings from him towards us or vice versa. Basically, Chiri, if your reading this, take down your comment on your funding page asap, and look forward to utilising everything you have done towards fixing games. Set up a donation page. I'm pretty sure most people would donate the money that they had pledged you instead. You still get rewarded for your time by willing people, and we still have your hard work to help the community. Win win... Right?
Cheers SG. He's obviously a talented guy, and would be a shame for this project to blow up, and leave bad feelings from him towards us or vice versa. Basically, Chiri, if your reading this, take down your comment on your funding page asap, and look forward to utilising everything you have done towards fixing games. Set up a donation page. I'm pretty sure most people would donate the money that they had pledged you instead. You still get rewarded for your time by willing people, and we still have your hard work to help the community.

Win win... Right?

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Posted 08/03/2013 08:55 PM   
@Chiri, I would like to thank you for all the work you have done. And, the last 6 months I was really getting depressed about the future of 3D gaming, and man, what was I happy when your campaign came along! That feeling alone is more worth to me than the 300+ euro's I donated!
@Chiri,

I would like to thank you for all the work you have done. And, the last 6 months I was really getting depressed about the future of 3D gaming, and man, what was I happy when your campaign came along! That feeling alone is more worth to me than the 300+ euro's I donated!

Posted 08/03/2013 09:08 PM   
My intuition didn't fool me. Chiri had seen a possibility to earn some money I think. He has the knowledge - but he doesn't have his full heart for the project. Now there is a free solution -> his money-dream dies -> he is pulling the plug. If he would do this project with emotion for the 3D-Vision-community he would continue his work or release the source code. But I don't think this will happen: [quote="Chiri"]If the goal won't be met, I have to catch up on other projects to compensate for the lost money and will not be able to do any work on the wrapper or other 3d stuff.[/quote] The good thing is, that he wants everybody getting its money back. Maybe I'm wrong Chiri, maybe you have a heart for the community hidden somewhere. Good luck with your future projects.
My intuition didn't fool me.
Chiri had seen a possibility to earn some money I think. He has the knowledge - but he doesn't have his full heart for the project.
Now there is a free solution -> his money-dream dies -> he is pulling the plug.
If he would do this project with emotion for the 3D-Vision-community he would continue his work or release the source code. But I don't think this will happen:
Chiri said:If the goal won't be met, I have to catch up on other projects to compensate for the lost money and will not be able to do any work on the wrapper or other 3d stuff.


The good thing is, that he wants everybody getting its money back.

Maybe I'm wrong Chiri, maybe you have a heart for the community hidden somewhere.
Good luck with your future projects.

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Posted 08/03/2013 09:25 PM   
We decided to pull the plug after reading the posts of Helix himself. The in your face timing of the Helix BI release is just contra productive. We can't develop and support a wrapper while being targeted by Helix. Wouldn’t it have been better to work on an AC3 Fix instead of doing also another BI fix and release it a week before the end of the campaign? Then we would have a BI and AC3 Fix in a week from now and with the funding we could spend some time maintaining the wrapper and giving support for the community. Obviously the god himself has unlimited time and money, so we decided to kick back, let him do all the work for free and just consume and put our effort in other projects that will pay the bills. We want to thank everyone that contributed, in the end it was about 100 people that contributed much more than they had to. We did not expect the community to be so small, but that would also explain why NVIDIA doesn’t give a crap about 3D. Why would they put in another $ to support something that a couple 100 people will use and one guy will fix for free anyway, so what’s the point. Yes, we are pissed (it is not about THAT somebody did it for free, it is about the way they did it) and the decision might have been an irrational act but it is done and final. We want to thank 3DSolutionGaming for the support and work they did. But under these circumstances it is impossible to continue. If we did, and another game comes along that needs weeks of work to fix and we might ask for lets say 500$ to fix and a week before the fix is done, a free solution comes again, then it is pointless. Releasing the wrapper without a tutorial, documentation and support is pointless and we can't afford putting more time into this project without any revenue. That would result to the same situation we have with the Helix wrapper at the moment: The only person capable of writing LUA patch scripts is Helix and without an in depth tutorial I don't see how the community can profit.
We decided to pull the plug after reading the posts of Helix himself. The in your face timing of the Helix BI release is just contra productive. We can't develop and support a wrapper while being targeted by Helix. Wouldn’t it have been better to work on an AC3 Fix instead of doing also another BI fix and release it a week before the end of the campaign? Then we would have a BI and AC3 Fix in a week from now and with the funding we could spend some time maintaining the wrapper and giving support for the community. Obviously the god himself has unlimited time and money, so we decided to kick back, let him do all the work for free and just consume and put our effort in other projects that will pay the bills.
We want to thank everyone that contributed, in the end it was about 100 people that contributed much more than they had to. We did not expect the community to be so small, but that would also explain why NVIDIA doesn’t give a crap about 3D. Why would they put in another $ to support something that a couple 100 people will use and one guy will fix for free anyway, so what’s the point.
Yes, we are pissed (it is not about THAT somebody did it for free, it is about the way they did it) and the decision might have been an irrational act but it is done and final.
We want to thank 3DSolutionGaming for the support and work they did. But under these circumstances it is impossible to continue. If we did, and another game comes along that needs weeks of work to fix and we might ask for lets say 500$ to fix and a week before the fix is done, a free solution comes again, then it is pointless.
Releasing the wrapper without a tutorial, documentation and support is pointless and we can't afford putting more time into this project without any revenue. That would result to the same situation we have with the Helix wrapper at the moment: The only person capable of writing LUA patch scripts is Helix and without an in depth tutorial I don't see how the community can profit.

Posted 08/03/2013 09:28 PM   
Did I miss the part where Helix insulted the Indigomod or something? It was said months ago it was being worked on so its not like he saw this and made his own out of spite.
Did I miss the part where Helix insulted the Indigomod or something? It was said months ago it was being worked on so its not like he saw this and made his own out of spite.

Posted 08/03/2013 09:40 PM   
[quote="elbarterino"]We decided to pull the plug after reading the posts of Helix himself. The in your face timing of the Helix BI release is just contra productive. We can't develop and support a wrapper while being targeted by Helix. Wouldn’t it have been better to work on an AC3 Fix instead of doing also another BI fix and release it a week before the end of the campaign? Then we would have a BI and AC3 Fix in a week from now and with the funding we could spend some time maintaining the wrapper and giving support for the community. Obviously the god himself has unlimited time and money, so we decided to kick back, let him do all the work for free and just consume and put our effort in other projects that will pay the bills. We want to thank everyone that contributed, in the end it was about 100 people that contributed much more than they had to. We did not expect the community to be so small, but that would also explain why NVIDIA doesn’t give a crap about 3D. Why would they put in another $ to support something that a couple 100 people will use and one guy will fix for free anyway, so what’s the point. Yes, we are pissed (it is not about THAT somebody did it for free, it is about the way they did it) and the decision might have been an irrational act but it is done and final. We want to thank 3DSolutionGaming for the support and work they did. But under these circumstances it is impossible to continue. If we did, and another game comes along that needs weeks of work to fix and we might ask for lets say 500$ to fix and a week before the fix is done, a free solution comes again, then it is pointless. Releasing the wrapper without a tutorial, documentation and support is pointless and we can't afford putting more time into this project without any revenue. That would result to the same situation we have with the Helix wrapper at the moment: The only person capable of writing LUA patch scripts is Helix and without an in depth tutorial I don't see how the community can profit. [/quote] I really URGE you guys to reconsider!!! If your decision is final at least please provide us with what you have worked thus far. You can upload the source code to GitHub or any other software versioning website. I don't know about the others, but I myself I am very interested in understanding the things that you have done to achieve this! I beg you not to hit shift + delete on all your work nor let it gather dust forgotten in some part of your HDD. Again, I am asking you guys to reconsider abandoning the project when you are so close and basically you have it finished. I don't understand why your pride has been hurt as this is how things work in general in any business not only software (time to market) but instead of being hurt show everyone that your solution works even better;)) Here we are not in a competition. We are here for our love of stereo 3D content games and wanting everyone to experience the best possible outcome of stereoscopic gaming. So again I ask you to reconsider! Best Regards
elbarterino said:We decided to pull the plug after reading the posts of Helix himself. The in your face timing of the Helix BI release is just contra productive. We can't develop and support a wrapper while being targeted by Helix. Wouldn’t it have been better to work on an AC3 Fix instead of doing also another BI fix and release it a week before the end of the campaign? Then we would have a BI and AC3 Fix in a week from now and with the funding we could spend some time maintaining the wrapper and giving support for the community. Obviously the god himself has unlimited time and money, so we decided to kick back, let him do all the work for free and just consume and put our effort in other projects that will pay the bills.
We want to thank everyone that contributed, in the end it was about 100 people that contributed much more than they had to. We did not expect the community to be so small, but that would also explain why NVIDIA doesn’t give a crap about 3D. Why would they put in another $ to support something that a couple 100 people will use and one guy will fix for free anyway, so what’s the point.
Yes, we are pissed (it is not about THAT somebody did it for free, it is about the way they did it) and the decision might have been an irrational act but it is done and final.
We want to thank 3DSolutionGaming for the support and work they did. But under these circumstances it is impossible to continue. If we did, and another game comes along that needs weeks of work to fix and we might ask for lets say 500$ to fix and a week before the fix is done, a free solution comes again, then it is pointless.
Releasing the wrapper without a tutorial, documentation and support is pointless and we can't afford putting more time into this project without any revenue. That would result to the same situation we have with the Helix wrapper at the moment: The only person capable of writing LUA patch scripts is Helix and without an in depth tutorial I don't see how the community can profit.


I really URGE you guys to reconsider!!! If your decision is final at least please provide us with what you have worked thus far. You can upload the source code to GitHub or any other software versioning website. I don't know about the others, but I myself I am very interested in understanding the things that you have done to achieve this!

I beg you not to hit shift + delete on all your work nor let it gather dust forgotten in some part of your HDD.

Again, I am asking you guys to reconsider abandoning the project when you are so close and basically you have it finished. I don't understand why your pride has been hurt as this is how things work in general in any business not only software (time to market) but instead of being hurt show everyone that your solution works even better;))
Here we are not in a competition. We are here for our love of stereo 3D content games and wanting everyone to experience the best possible outcome of stereoscopic gaming.

So again I ask you to reconsider!

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Posted 08/03/2013 09:49 PM   
Actually I think Helix could have done a lot more damage to indigomod if he released those pics in the very first days of the announcement, now you're less than $1k to go and most people around here were very supportive about your effort, I have no doubt you would reach the goal, where had he released those pics in the first week, hardly anyone would have given any money instead. What's kind of obvious is that you were doing it for the money: "we can't afford putting more time into this project without any revenue" Basically you were planning to charge for every fix "another game comes along that needs weeks of work to fix and we might ask for lets say 500$ to fix", however when you acknowledged how small the community is, together with Helix releasing a free wrapper, the business opportunity banished and you pulled the plug. What proves that you don't care for the 3d community but for the money is not releasing your wrapper even on beta shape or without documentation, since there's no money to be made. You perfectly know how helpful that wrapper would be for the community to create their own fixes, yet you don't want to do so, what a shame.
Actually I think Helix could have done a lot more damage to indigomod if he released those pics in the very first days of the announcement, now you're less than $1k to go and most people around here were very supportive about your effort, I have no doubt you would reach the goal, where had he released those pics in the first week, hardly anyone would have given any money instead.

What's kind of obvious is that you were doing it for the money: "we can't afford putting more time into this project without any revenue" Basically you were planning to charge for every fix "another game comes along that needs weeks of work to fix and we might ask for lets say 500$ to fix", however when you acknowledged how small the community is, together with Helix releasing a free wrapper, the business opportunity banished and you pulled the plug.

What proves that you don't care for the 3d community but for the money is not releasing your wrapper even on beta shape or without documentation, since there's no money to be made. You perfectly know how helpful that wrapper would be for the community to create their own fixes, yet you don't want to do so, what a shame.

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Posted 08/03/2013 09:53 PM   
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