Decline of 3D Vision - Thought you all should know - Dark Times Ahead :(
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I respect your decision.
It is also tragic that all the knowledge and experience that the both of you harbour will be forever lost.
Would you consider mentoring some willing learners in your arts at least for a while?
No body would expect you to continue with fixes yourselves under the current circumstances, but if you were to kindly pass on the proverbial baton to others by giving advice and technical support to the learners, I'm sure that all you have accomplished would not fade away into nothingness.
I hope you will consider this. Perhaps give some eager people an email address where you can be reached.
I wish you guys all the best.
-- Shahzad.
It is also tragic that all the knowledge and experience that the both of you harbour will be forever lost.
Would you consider mentoring some willing learners in your arts at least for a while?
No body would expect you to continue with fixes yourselves under the current circumstances, but if you were to kindly pass on the proverbial baton to others by giving advice and technical support to the learners, I'm sure that all you have accomplished would not fade away into nothingness.
I hope you will consider this. Perhaps give some eager people an email address where you can be reached.
I wish you guys all the best.
-- Shahzad.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Not the kind of news I wanted to start the weekend.
I have a couple thoughts:
1. I don't understand why Mike & Eq don't create a new website & charge $5 or more for every fix. Of course they are getting sick of making fixes when they get nothing out of it & then people demand them to be fixed. There needs to be motivation. I would gladly pay $5 or more for a semi working fix & I know a lot of people here would as well. Honestly I would pay Mike $100 for what he was able to accomplish in the Elder Scrolls Online. Its fucking beautiful.
2. Fake 3d isn't nearly as good but I think at this point we need to express to Nvidia that we need the Fake 3d option in all DX 9,10, & 11 games. Shit 3d is 100x better to me than 4k 2d.
3. Tridef on their compatible monitors runs very good. I just don't like a lot of their monitors visually. An example is my Samsung 40 inch TV that supports it. I would rather play on my 27 inch Asus any day of the week because it just looks better & the lightboost.
4. This is really making me wonder if the modders are realizing Oculus Rift is just a better experience & VR is the future. I haven't tried it but now am considering.
5. Buying 2 800 series cards & the ROG Swift next year is now on hold permanently.
Thanks to all the people who made fixes & thanks to all the helpful posters on these forums I truly appreciate it.
Not the kind of news I wanted to start the weekend.
I have a couple thoughts:
1. I don't understand why Mike & Eq don't create a new website & charge $5 or more for every fix. Of course they are getting sick of making fixes when they get nothing out of it & then people demand them to be fixed. There needs to be motivation. I would gladly pay $5 or more for a semi working fix & I know a lot of people here would as well. Honestly I would pay Mike $100 for what he was able to accomplish in the Elder Scrolls Online. Its fucking beautiful.
2. Fake 3d isn't nearly as good but I think at this point we need to express to Nvidia that we need the Fake 3d option in all DX 9,10, & 11 games. Shit 3d is 100x better to me than 4k 2d.
3. Tridef on their compatible monitors runs very good. I just don't like a lot of their monitors visually. An example is my Samsung 40 inch TV that supports it. I would rather play on my 27 inch Asus any day of the week because it just looks better & the lightboost.
4. This is really making me wonder if the modders are realizing Oculus Rift is just a better experience & VR is the future. I haven't tried it but now am considering.
5. Buying 2 800 series cards & the ROG Swift next year is now on hold permanently.
Thanks to all the people who made fixes & thanks to all the helpful posters on these forums I truly appreciate it.
It is very sad!
Shame on you Nvidia.
I have now GTX780OC GPU. I bought it for stereo 3d. I love it.
I planned to buy ROG Swift PG278Q monitor + Maxwell GPU, ... but I have to review my plans ... :(
If stereo 3d is not supported why to spend so much money for these technologies?
!!! Shame on you Nvidia !!!
I have to agree with both bo3b and RAGEdemon as far as 'I wouldn't go so far as to call [it] dead yet' ... and 'please pass the [torch]' ...
In the 2 or so years I've been using it many, including myself, have expressed interest in the 'dark art' of fixing games. My life's been turned a bit upside down lately and I lack the much needed free time(not that I had a whole lot of it before) but I'm still extremely interested in it, as I'm sure are others. It would be a real shame for all the talent and the techniques that were learned along the way to just go down with the ship when others are, will be, and may be, willing to learn how to apply them.
Either way, thanks for [u]everything[/u] you guys have done for 'the community' we really do appreciate it [u]much[/u], [u]much[/u] more than we say at times ...
I have to agree with both bo3b and RAGEdemon as far as 'I wouldn't go so far as to call [it] dead yet' ... and 'please pass the [torch]' ...
In the 2 or so years I've been using it many, including myself, have expressed interest in the 'dark art' of fixing games. My life's been turned a bit upside down lately and I lack the much needed free time(not that I had a whole lot of it before) but I'm still extremely interested in it, as I'm sure are others. It would be a real shame for all the talent and the techniques that were learned along the way to just go down with the ship when others are, will be, and may be, willing to learn how to apply them.
Either way, thanks for everything you guys have done for 'the community' we really do appreciate it much, much more than we say at times ...
Great thanks to all modders for their hard work. But it's grave news indeed.
Well.. If 3D Vision dies at least i will not be bound to Nvidia cards anymore and stop building multiple cards PCs. 1 AMD card (AMD is simply cheaper at the same perfomance) will be enough for playing 2D games
Great thanks to all modders for their hard work. But it's grave news indeed.
Well.. If 3D Vision dies at least i will not be bound to Nvidia cards anymore and stop building multiple cards PCs. 1 AMD card (AMD is simply cheaper at the same perfomance) will be enough for playing 2D games
Devastating news, but I really understand it.
First things first, huge thanks for your efforts, hours and hours of amazing 3d gaming are thanks to you, we can't thank you enough.
I'm a bit surprised, though somehow I expected it. I'm surprised since 3dMigoto now allows DX11 patching, which I always thought would be the doom of 3d gaming until 3dmigoto arrived. However lately eqzitara, the godfather of 3d vision, was frequently absent in the forums and no updates were seen in the Helix site, so I expected something like this.
I was thinking on getting a top of the line Nvidia laptop, getting crazy with the damn Optimus thing making 3d vision almost impossible to get it to work on their laptops. Now I will dismiss it completely. Fuck you Nvidia, i won't touch a Nvidia product in a long time.
However it's fantastic to hear that you're moving to Oculus Rift. The thing is that lately I haven't played much on 3d vision, almost all first person games in my backlog are not being played with the hope of using them with the OR, I was enjoying a lot more Jericho on DK1 with Vorpx for instance than Second Son on my PS4, so for me it's incredible news to hear that two of the most talented 3d modders will join the OR cause. I can imagine that vireio is the most obvious choice, finally you will arrive to a well supported 3d device with a fantastic community and lots of modders, VR fans don't really know how lucky they are with you on their side, so I wish you the best.
First things first, huge thanks for your efforts, hours and hours of amazing 3d gaming are thanks to you, we can't thank you enough.
I'm a bit surprised, though somehow I expected it. I'm surprised since 3dMigoto now allows DX11 patching, which I always thought would be the doom of 3d gaming until 3dmigoto arrived. However lately eqzitara, the godfather of 3d vision, was frequently absent in the forums and no updates were seen in the Helix site, so I expected something like this.
I was thinking on getting a top of the line Nvidia laptop, getting crazy with the damn Optimus thing making 3d vision almost impossible to get it to work on their laptops. Now I will dismiss it completely. Fuck you Nvidia, i won't touch a Nvidia product in a long time.
However it's fantastic to hear that you're moving to Oculus Rift. The thing is that lately I haven't played much on 3d vision, almost all first person games in my backlog are not being played with the hope of using them with the OR, I was enjoying a lot more Jericho on DK1 with Vorpx for instance than Second Son on my PS4, so for me it's incredible news to hear that two of the most talented 3d modders will join the OR cause. I can imagine that vireio is the most obvious choice, finally you will arrive to a well supported 3d device with a fantastic community and lots of modders, VR fans don't really know how lucky they are with you on their side, so I wish you the best.
All hail 3d modders DHR, MasterOtaku, Losti, Necropants, Helifax, bo3b, mike_ar69, Flugan, DarkStarSword, 4everAwake, 3d4dd and so many more helping to keep the 3d dream alive, find their 3d fixes at http://helixmod.blogspot.com/ Also check my site for spanish VR and mobile gaming news: www.gamermovil.com
@bo3b,
Thanks for your added comments, roger that, and list of names/contributions. I didn't want to miss any, thus said "you guys" :-) Hope this post stays on topic, and will be watching for a moderator/host post ;-)
Big thanks again to all.
Thanks for your added comments, roger that, and list of names/contributions. I didn't want to miss any, thus said "you guys" :-) Hope this post stays on topic, and will be watching for a moderator/host post ;-)
But...
My HMZ-T1 is useless now, this is the end of the hmd era?
ATI can do great 3d game THEM, look the square enix games and you'll see
Nvidia 3d can be introduced in video games, but ATI / TriDef it was the only one able to make it fonctional in the time
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That developers are not likely to want to implement because it will not effect sales enough[/quote][/b][/u][/i]
3DTV play cost the same price of TriDef(40€) and tridef can run all last games corectly.
At Christmas there will be a ati down the tree in any case.
Shame on Nvidia And long life to ATI
I am still curious however to see who will ensure compatibility of 3d games on occulus rift
Wow! This is like going to a funeral.
I completely 100% understand the frustration with NVidia, and I cannot disagree with eqzitara that NVidia has provided poor support. I also understand his anger, but I really disagree with his basic premise.
Probably the biggest difference is in our expectations. I've worked with endless high-tech companies that are completely full of morons, so I had no illusion that NVidia would have any damn sense, and would clumsily thrash around and break stuff. I'm actually happier when they give us benign neglect, because corporations rarely make good decisions.
Also, we've always known that it's a niche category for gaming because of the expense. As long as they do tiny improvements like making sure the Swift is 3D ready, and maintaining 3D TV Play, then it seems like it has a future.
The same goes for the game developers themselves. These are all corporations making abysmal decisions, and not listening to their customers. I have no illusions that any game developer would add 3D, so rather than be angry, I'm always pleasantly surprised when someone does.
The difference is that I [i]like [/i]being able to make our own fixes, and having the ability to change our gameplay. I cannot stand waiting around for corporations to throw us a bone, and it's the primary reason I game on PC. In this tiny way, the corporations no longer own us, we get to make our own destiny and not be simple consumers.
Really though, I cannot understand how everyone thinks that it's over for 3D Vision today, and in a couple of months nothing will be playable.
How does that make sense? 2 years ago, we barely had a Helix wrapper, and a teeny list of games that had been fixed by disabling effects, and maybe 2 or 3 from Helix himself that were flawless. Today we have a list of 200 games that are nearly flawless, and another 25 that are acceptable.
All of those games are still playable today. Personally, I have a gigantic backlog of killer games for 3D.
At the start of the year, it was all doom and gloom because DX11 was never going to be fixed, and that was the end of 3D gaming right there. Well since then we've got a working DX11 wrapper, and fixed 4 games with it, including 3 off the most-wanted list. 6 of the top 20 games have been fixed.
As recently as a month ago, it seemed like we'd never have the ability to play any OpenGL games, and yet Helifax has made a miraculous wrapper and fixed 5 previously unreachable games already.
At this very moment, we can touch any game that is made, because we have working tools for every type of game, including x64 games. Is that not a far superior world than 2 years ago?
Quite possibly I'm a simpleton, but from any metric, 3D Vision is in better shape today than it's ever been.
Unless of course you feel that the only people who can do the work were eqzitara and Mike. People come and people go. There are cycles to everything. Was it doomed when Helix himself stopped fixing?
From my perspective, as long as people continue to fix games, it's not nearly as bad as it seems. Many people including Mike and eqzitara have helped me learn more, and you know that I am willing to help as well.
If you all want to throw up your hands and give up, I understand. For anybody who still wants to fix stuff, I'll be there with you.
I completely 100% understand the frustration with NVidia, and I cannot disagree with eqzitara that NVidia has provided poor support. I also understand his anger, but I really disagree with his basic premise.
Probably the biggest difference is in our expectations. I've worked with endless high-tech companies that are completely full of morons, so I had no illusion that NVidia would have any damn sense, and would clumsily thrash around and break stuff. I'm actually happier when they give us benign neglect, because corporations rarely make good decisions.
Also, we've always known that it's a niche category for gaming because of the expense. As long as they do tiny improvements like making sure the Swift is 3D ready, and maintaining 3D TV Play, then it seems like it has a future.
The same goes for the game developers themselves. These are all corporations making abysmal decisions, and not listening to their customers. I have no illusions that any game developer would add 3D, so rather than be angry, I'm always pleasantly surprised when someone does.
The difference is that I like being able to make our own fixes, and having the ability to change our gameplay. I cannot stand waiting around for corporations to throw us a bone, and it's the primary reason I game on PC. In this tiny way, the corporations no longer own us, we get to make our own destiny and not be simple consumers.
Really though, I cannot understand how everyone thinks that it's over for 3D Vision today, and in a couple of months nothing will be playable.
How does that make sense? 2 years ago, we barely had a Helix wrapper, and a teeny list of games that had been fixed by disabling effects, and maybe 2 or 3 from Helix himself that were flawless. Today we have a list of 200 games that are nearly flawless, and another 25 that are acceptable.
All of those games are still playable today. Personally, I have a gigantic backlog of killer games for 3D.
At the start of the year, it was all doom and gloom because DX11 was never going to be fixed, and that was the end of 3D gaming right there. Well since then we've got a working DX11 wrapper, and fixed 4 games with it, including 3 off the most-wanted list. 6 of the top 20 games have been fixed.
As recently as a month ago, it seemed like we'd never have the ability to play any OpenGL games, and yet Helifax has made a miraculous wrapper and fixed 5 previously unreachable games already.
At this very moment, we can touch any game that is made, because we have working tools for every type of game, including x64 games. Is that not a far superior world than 2 years ago?
Quite possibly I'm a simpleton, but from any metric, 3D Vision is in better shape today than it's ever been.
Unless of course you feel that the only people who can do the work were eqzitara and Mike. People come and people go. There are cycles to everything. Was it doomed when Helix himself stopped fixing?
From my perspective, as long as people continue to fix games, it's not nearly as bad as it seems. Many people including Mike and eqzitara have helped me learn more, and you know that I am willing to help as well.
If you all want to throw up your hands and give up, I understand. For anybody who still wants to fix stuff, I'll be there with you.
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we all agree it's sad/unfortunate that mike and eqzitara have left the scene. But I think bo3b's post above makes a lot of sense. It's definitely not the end of 3d Vision, as long as the tools for fixing are there, let alone the many great games that still work.
Thanks bo3b :]
I don't think it's a good idea to keep feeding negative vibe. Maybe I'm wrong
we all agree it's sad/unfortunate that mike and eqzitara have left the scene. But I think bo3b's post above makes a lot of sense. It's definitely not the end of 3d Vision, as long as the tools for fixing are there, let alone the many great games that still work.
Thanks bo3b :]
I don't think it's a good idea to keep feeding negative vibe. Maybe I'm wrong
Bo3b, we're grieving, it's a process...
Thank you for your encouraging words, I've spiritually wept through the whole day yesterday, so it's encouraging to read your posts. But, from a pure-bred realist to a self-declared contrarian, if 3D seems in a better shape today, it is precisely due to people with shader-fixing skills (the 200+ flawless games you mentioned), which are few and far between, and now [u]none at all[/u], after the recent announcement.
Your contributions to Chiri's wrapper are nothing short of miraculous and I've praised you for it many times. But as you yourself mentioned, it would have been all for nothing without Mike.
So ... when Eqzitara and Mike were still fully involved, we were expecting maybe one or two AAA games per quarter to be looked at, maybe improved. It was not very much, but it was all we had, and we had to accept it as such, since neither Nvidia nor the developers did any better.
But how many fully fixed games can we expect now?
How many more Black Flags? Just boot up the game, and switch between 3D and 2D. When my wife was watching me play, she went from "virtual sea sick" to "meh", and asked me how can people play games in 2D? Would fixes like Black Flag still happen?
I agree 100% on the cyclical nature of life, on the positive outlook provided by the existing 3D-fixing tools, etc. But until Helix comes back, or other rare geniuses appear, or the torch is passed to existing enthusiasts, or Eqzitara and Mike come back from retirement (at least occasionally, for games they themselves would like to fix in order to play), I'm afraid there is very little to be optimist about.
This is my most precious hobby, because it covers all my passions (technological development,science, discovery, simulation, exploration, dreaming, ect) but it's worthless in 2D.
I just hope from all my heart that your passion will be joined by that of many others, and that this magic might go on.
You know what the most positive aspect of this post really is? That even with all the devastating implications it had, it turned into a big THANK YOU thread. That speaks a lot on the quality of the people on this forum.
Again, a big THANK YOU! to all of you who kept this dream alive for so long, and to all of those who would walk in your footsteps!
Thank you for your encouraging words, I've spiritually wept through the whole day yesterday, so it's encouraging to read your posts. But, from a pure-bred realist to a self-declared contrarian, if 3D seems in a better shape today, it is precisely due to people with shader-fixing skills (the 200+ flawless games you mentioned), which are few and far between, and now none at all, after the recent announcement.
Your contributions to Chiri's wrapper are nothing short of miraculous and I've praised you for it many times. But as you yourself mentioned, it would have been all for nothing without Mike.
So ... when Eqzitara and Mike were still fully involved, we were expecting maybe one or two AAA games per quarter to be looked at, maybe improved. It was not very much, but it was all we had, and we had to accept it as such, since neither Nvidia nor the developers did any better.
But how many fully fixed games can we expect now?
How many more Black Flags? Just boot up the game, and switch between 3D and 2D. When my wife was watching me play, she went from "virtual sea sick" to "meh", and asked me how can people play games in 2D? Would fixes like Black Flag still happen?
I agree 100% on the cyclical nature of life, on the positive outlook provided by the existing 3D-fixing tools, etc. But until Helix comes back, or other rare geniuses appear, or the torch is passed to existing enthusiasts, or Eqzitara and Mike come back from retirement (at least occasionally, for games they themselves would like to fix in order to play), I'm afraid there is very little to be optimist about.
This is my most precious hobby, because it covers all my passions (technological development,science, discovery, simulation, exploration, dreaming, ect) but it's worthless in 2D.
I just hope from all my heart that your passion will be joined by that of many others, and that this magic might go on.
You know what the most positive aspect of this post really is? That even with all the devastating implications it had, it turned into a big THANK YOU thread. That speaks a lot on the quality of the people on this forum.
Again, a big THANK YOU! to all of you who kept this dream alive for so long, and to all of those who would walk in your footsteps!
Zappologist, bo3b has been learning a lot about shaders (and continues to do so). There are a few others who have skills and are continuing to learn as well. This is a major blow, but don't lose hope. :)
Zappologist, bo3b has been learning a lot about shaders (and continues to do so). There are a few others who have skills and are continuing to learn as well. This is a major blow, but don't lose hope. :)
Good morning. In less than a year, members from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest digital battle in the history of 3D.
3D -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that today is the 27th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 27th of July will no longer be known as a random day, but as the day when the 3D community declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
Today, we celebrate our Continuation Day!
Good morning. In less than a year, members from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest digital battle in the history of 3D.
3D -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that today is the 27th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 27th of July will no longer be known as a random day, but as the day when the 3D community declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
This is truly a very sad day indeed. I do not blame the team for their decision, but it certainly is heartbreaking. I cannot say thank you enough, to all of the modders, for all of their hard work and dedication to our wonderful hobby, and also for their efforts in supporting their work. It is because of Helix Mod, and the work of others like Helifax that caused me to purchase my latest gaming rig, a 3D Vision laptop. I have have been a daily visitor to the site ever since it arrived. In fact, it is my current homepage. Thank you, all of you who contributed to Helix Mod, for the most incredible and memorable ride!!!!
Thanks, once again Nvidia, for proving to us, the loyal 3D Vision customer, for once again proving to us that we mean absolutely nothing to you!!
This is truly a very sad day indeed. I do not blame the team for their decision, but it certainly is heartbreaking. I cannot say thank you enough, to all of the modders, for all of their hard work and dedication to our wonderful hobby, and also for their efforts in supporting their work. It is because of Helix Mod, and the work of others like Helifax that caused me to purchase my latest gaming rig, a 3D Vision laptop. I have have been a daily visitor to the site ever since it arrived. In fact, it is my current homepage. Thank you, all of you who contributed to Helix Mod, for the most incredible and memorable ride!!!!
Thanks, once again Nvidia, for proving to us, the loyal 3D Vision customer, for once again proving to us that we mean absolutely nothing to you!!
It is also tragic that all the knowledge and experience that the both of you harbour will be forever lost.
Would you consider mentoring some willing learners in your arts at least for a while?
No body would expect you to continue with fixes yourselves under the current circumstances, but if you were to kindly pass on the proverbial baton to others by giving advice and technical support to the learners, I'm sure that all you have accomplished would not fade away into nothingness.
I hope you will consider this. Perhaps give some eager people an email address where you can be reached.
I wish you guys all the best.
-- Shahzad.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
I have a couple thoughts:
1. I don't understand why Mike & Eq don't create a new website & charge $5 or more for every fix. Of course they are getting sick of making fixes when they get nothing out of it & then people demand them to be fixed. There needs to be motivation. I would gladly pay $5 or more for a semi working fix & I know a lot of people here would as well. Honestly I would pay Mike $100 for what he was able to accomplish in the Elder Scrolls Online. Its fucking beautiful.
2. Fake 3d isn't nearly as good but I think at this point we need to express to Nvidia that we need the Fake 3d option in all DX 9,10, & 11 games. Shit 3d is 100x better to me than 4k 2d.
3. Tridef on their compatible monitors runs very good. I just don't like a lot of their monitors visually. An example is my Samsung 40 inch TV that supports it. I would rather play on my 27 inch Asus any day of the week because it just looks better & the lightboost.
4. This is really making me wonder if the modders are realizing Oculus Rift is just a better experience & VR is the future. I haven't tried it but now am considering.
5. Buying 2 800 series cards & the ROG Swift next year is now on hold permanently.
Thanks to all the people who made fixes & thanks to all the helpful posters on these forums I truly appreciate it.
Shame on you Nvidia.
I have now GTX780OC GPU. I bought it for stereo 3d. I love it.
I planned to buy ROG Swift PG278Q monitor + Maxwell GPU, ... but I have to review my plans ... :(
If stereo 3d is not supported why to spend so much money for these technologies?
!!! Shame on you Nvidia !!!
In the 2 or so years I've been using it many, including myself, have expressed interest in the 'dark art' of fixing games. My life's been turned a bit upside down lately and I lack the much needed free time(not that I had a whole lot of it before) but I'm still extremely interested in it, as I'm sure are others. It would be a real shame for all the talent and the techniques that were learned along the way to just go down with the ship when others are, will be, and may be, willing to learn how to apply them.
Either way, thanks for everything you guys have done for 'the community' we really do appreciate it much, much more than we say at times ...
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Well.. If 3D Vision dies at least i will not be bound to Nvidia cards anymore and stop building multiple cards PCs. 1 AMD card (AMD is simply cheaper at the same perfomance) will be enough for playing 2D games
First things first, huge thanks for your efforts, hours and hours of amazing 3d gaming are thanks to you, we can't thank you enough.
I'm a bit surprised, though somehow I expected it. I'm surprised since 3dMigoto now allows DX11 patching, which I always thought would be the doom of 3d gaming until 3dmigoto arrived. However lately eqzitara, the godfather of 3d vision, was frequently absent in the forums and no updates were seen in the Helix site, so I expected something like this.
I was thinking on getting a top of the line Nvidia laptop, getting crazy with the damn Optimus thing making 3d vision almost impossible to get it to work on their laptops. Now I will dismiss it completely. Fuck you Nvidia, i won't touch a Nvidia product in a long time.
However it's fantastic to hear that you're moving to Oculus Rift. The thing is that lately I haven't played much on 3d vision, almost all first person games in my backlog are not being played with the hope of using them with the OR, I was enjoying a lot more Jericho on DK1 with Vorpx for instance than Second Son on my PS4, so for me it's incredible news to hear that two of the most talented 3d modders will join the OR cause. I can imagine that vireio is the most obvious choice, finally you will arrive to a well supported 3d device with a fantastic community and lots of modders, VR fans don't really know how lucky they are with you on their side, so I wish you the best.
All hail 3d modders DHR, MasterOtaku, Losti, Necropants, Helifax, bo3b, mike_ar69, Flugan, DarkStarSword, 4everAwake, 3d4dd and so many more helping to keep the 3d dream alive, find their 3d fixes at http://helixmod.blogspot.com/ Also check my site for spanish VR and mobile gaming news: www.gamermovil.com
Thanks for your added comments, roger that, and list of names/contributions. I didn't want to miss any, thus said "you guys" :-) Hope this post stays on topic, and will be watching for a moderator/host post ;-)
Big thanks again to all.
My HMZ-T1 is useless now, this is the end of the hmd era?
ATI can do great 3d game THEM, look the square enix games and you'll see
Nvidia 3d can be introduced in video games, but ATI / TriDef it was the only one able to make it fonctional in the time
That developers are not likely to want to implement because it will not effect sales enough
3DTV play cost the same price of TriDef(40€) and tridef can run all last games corectly.
At Christmas there will be a ati down the tree in any case.
Shame on Nvidia And long life to ATI
I am still curious however to see who will ensure compatibility of 3d games on occulus rift
I completely 100% understand the frustration with NVidia, and I cannot disagree with eqzitara that NVidia has provided poor support. I also understand his anger, but I really disagree with his basic premise.
Probably the biggest difference is in our expectations. I've worked with endless high-tech companies that are completely full of morons, so I had no illusion that NVidia would have any damn sense, and would clumsily thrash around and break stuff. I'm actually happier when they give us benign neglect, because corporations rarely make good decisions.
Also, we've always known that it's a niche category for gaming because of the expense. As long as they do tiny improvements like making sure the Swift is 3D ready, and maintaining 3D TV Play, then it seems like it has a future.
The same goes for the game developers themselves. These are all corporations making abysmal decisions, and not listening to their customers. I have no illusions that any game developer would add 3D, so rather than be angry, I'm always pleasantly surprised when someone does.
The difference is that I like being able to make our own fixes, and having the ability to change our gameplay. I cannot stand waiting around for corporations to throw us a bone, and it's the primary reason I game on PC. In this tiny way, the corporations no longer own us, we get to make our own destiny and not be simple consumers.
Really though, I cannot understand how everyone thinks that it's over for 3D Vision today, and in a couple of months nothing will be playable.
How does that make sense? 2 years ago, we barely had a Helix wrapper, and a teeny list of games that had been fixed by disabling effects, and maybe 2 or 3 from Helix himself that were flawless. Today we have a list of 200 games that are nearly flawless, and another 25 that are acceptable.
All of those games are still playable today. Personally, I have a gigantic backlog of killer games for 3D.
At the start of the year, it was all doom and gloom because DX11 was never going to be fixed, and that was the end of 3D gaming right there. Well since then we've got a working DX11 wrapper, and fixed 4 games with it, including 3 off the most-wanted list. 6 of the top 20 games have been fixed.
As recently as a month ago, it seemed like we'd never have the ability to play any OpenGL games, and yet Helifax has made a miraculous wrapper and fixed 5 previously unreachable games already.
At this very moment, we can touch any game that is made, because we have working tools for every type of game, including x64 games. Is that not a far superior world than 2 years ago?
Quite possibly I'm a simpleton, but from any metric, 3D Vision is in better shape today than it's ever been.
Unless of course you feel that the only people who can do the work were eqzitara and Mike. People come and people go. There are cycles to everything. Was it doomed when Helix himself stopped fixing?
From my perspective, as long as people continue to fix games, it's not nearly as bad as it seems. Many people including Mike and eqzitara have helped me learn more, and you know that I am willing to help as well.
If you all want to throw up your hands and give up, I understand. For anybody who still wants to fix stuff, I'll be there with you.
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I don't think it's a good idea to keep feeding negative vibe. Maybe I'm wrong
Thank you for your encouraging words, I've spiritually wept through the whole day yesterday, so it's encouraging to read your posts. But, from a pure-bred realist to a self-declared contrarian, if 3D seems in a better shape today, it is precisely due to people with shader-fixing skills (the 200+ flawless games you mentioned), which are few and far between, and now none at all, after the recent announcement.
Your contributions to Chiri's wrapper are nothing short of miraculous and I've praised you for it many times. But as you yourself mentioned, it would have been all for nothing without Mike.
So ... when Eqzitara and Mike were still fully involved, we were expecting maybe one or two AAA games per quarter to be looked at, maybe improved. It was not very much, but it was all we had, and we had to accept it as such, since neither Nvidia nor the developers did any better.
But how many fully fixed games can we expect now?
How many more Black Flags? Just boot up the game, and switch between 3D and 2D. When my wife was watching me play, she went from "virtual sea sick" to "meh", and asked me how can people play games in 2D? Would fixes like Black Flag still happen?
I agree 100% on the cyclical nature of life, on the positive outlook provided by the existing 3D-fixing tools, etc. But until Helix comes back, or other rare geniuses appear, or the torch is passed to existing enthusiasts, or Eqzitara and Mike come back from retirement (at least occasionally, for games they themselves would like to fix in order to play), I'm afraid there is very little to be optimist about.
This is my most precious hobby, because it covers all my passions (technological development,science, discovery, simulation, exploration, dreaming, ect) but it's worthless in 2D.
I just hope from all my heart that your passion will be joined by that of many others, and that this magic might go on.
You know what the most positive aspect of this post really is? That even with all the devastating implications it had, it turned into a big THANK YOU thread. That speaks a lot on the quality of the people on this forum.
Again, a big THANK YOU! to all of you who kept this dream alive for so long, and to all of those who would walk in your footsteps!
3D -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that today is the 27th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.
We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 27th of July will no longer be known as a random day, but as the day when the 3D community declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
Today, we celebrate our Continuation Day!
Thanks, once again Nvidia, for proving to us, the loyal 3D Vision customer, for once again proving to us that we mean absolutely nothing to you!!