3D without using Nvidia IR and glasses?
I am just wondering whether it is possible to use an Nvidia card with the nvidia drivers in 3D – but NOT use the Nvidia IR emitter and glasses?

The reason I ask is that:

1) My room is too large for the IR transmitter to work effectively (seating is just outside of 15 foot from the PC)
2) I need to buy several sets of glasses, so the much cheaper DLP Link glasses are the best solution (the DLP Link glasses remove the blue tint btw )

Alternatively, can you use just the IR emitter to get nvidia to output in 3D – without it being sync’d up to a pair of glasses? That way I could at least buy the Nvidia set, then sell the un-needed glasses.

I am going to need about 4 sets of glasses and im not about to spend £400 on them when I can get DLP link ones for less than half that price – plus synchronisation of DLP link glasses is much easier.

I believe that what I need is possible with iZ3D – but im not sure that that would provide a stable enough experience to invest about a thousand pounds into…
I am just wondering whether it is possible to use an Nvidia card with the nvidia drivers in 3D – but NOT use the Nvidia IR emitter and glasses?



The reason I ask is that:



1) My room is too large for the IR transmitter to work effectively (seating is just outside of 15 foot from the PC)

2) I need to buy several sets of glasses, so the much cheaper DLP Link glasses are the best solution (the DLP Link glasses remove the blue tint btw )



Alternatively, can you use just the IR emitter to get nvidia to output in 3D – without it being sync’d up to a pair of glasses? That way I could at least buy the Nvidia set, then sell the un-needed glasses.



I am going to need about 4 sets of glasses and im not about to spend £400 on them when I can get DLP link ones for less than half that price – plus synchronisation of DLP link glasses is much easier.



I believe that what I need is possible with iZ3D – but im not sure that that would provide a stable enough experience to invest about a thousand pounds into…

#1
Posted 06/18/2010 12:57 PM   
NEVER
NEVER

#2
Posted 06/18/2010 01:42 PM   
[quote name='leandrosrds' post='1075453' date='Jun 18 2010, 02:42 PM']NEVER[/quote]

I suppose Nvidia think that buying one of their cards is not enough to get 3D support, you must also buy their short ranged, expensive glasses too...

I am beggining to struggle with a good reason to stay with Nvidia at the moment. it seems ATI and iz3D is a cheaper, more powerful and flexible 3D system...

Still, I had 2 questions in my post. I assume your response was to my first question, how about the second? does the IR emitter need to know there are glasses synced with it to push out 3D? or will the simple fact an emitter is plugged in suffice?
[quote name='leandrosrds' post='1075453' date='Jun 18 2010, 02:42 PM']NEVER



I suppose Nvidia think that buying one of their cards is not enough to get 3D support, you must also buy their short ranged, expensive glasses too...



I am beggining to struggle with a good reason to stay with Nvidia at the moment. it seems ATI and iz3D is a cheaper, more powerful and flexible 3D system...



Still, I had 2 questions in my post. I assume your response was to my first question, how about the second? does the IR emitter need to know there are glasses synced with it to push out 3D? or will the simple fact an emitter is plugged in suffice?

#3
Posted 06/18/2010 03:09 PM   
Just plug in the emitter and it will work fine...
It does work at 15 feet here,..so I think you will be fine...
You can always use a longer cable..


""[i]I suppose Nvidia think that buying one of their cards is not enough to get 3D support, you must also buy their short ranged, expensive glasses too...
...[/i]""

? must buy...?,it's your own free will, for gods sake !
you want it for free...? :huh:
Just plug in the emitter and it will work fine...

It does work at 15 feet here,..so I think you will be fine...

You can always use a longer cable..





""I suppose Nvidia think that buying one of their cards is not enough to get 3D support, you must also buy their short ranged, expensive glasses too...

...
""



? must buy...?,it's your own free will, for gods sake !

you want it for free...? :huh:

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#4
Posted 06/18/2010 03:56 PM   
[quote name='Cragproductions' post='1075484' date='Jun 18 2010, 11:09 AM']I suppose Nvidia think that buying one of their cards is not enough to get 3D support, you must also buy their short ranged, expensive glasses too...

I am beggining to struggle with a good reason to stay with Nvidia at the moment. it seems ATI and iz3D is a cheaper, more powerful and flexible 3D system...

Still, I had 2 questions in my post. I assume your response was to my first question, how about the second? does the IR emitter need to know there are glasses synced with it to push out 3D? or will the simple fact an emitter is plugged in suffice?[/quote]


What you are asking, in both questions, is not possible.

You simply can not mix and match 3D technologies to suit your needs.

Also, what is this blue tint you speak of? There is no such issue when using the Nvidia 3D Vision Shutter Glasses.

If you are concerned about the price of trying to set this up you might as well stop now, if you don't set this up properlly, no matter which technology you use, it will either not work or the results will be problematic. Just like anything electronic these days, the phrase "You get what you pay for" applies heavily to this semi-newer tech. I am very aware that 3D technology has been around for many years, however, it has NOT (until recently) moved out of the ultra-niche category it has been a part of for the last 10 plus years.

Never before has 3D been so prevelant in our day to day tech dealings, the difference between "then" and "now" 3D is that 3D is being pitched not just to the uber-techie, but to average consumers as well. The problem with that is the average consumers expect so much for so little in these days of HD/3D and relatively inexpensive flat panel LCD/Plasma etc.. displays and they don't realize that it takes a certain combination of products that are "enhanced" or "optimized" for 3D use. Most don't realize they need a certain type of display with certain specs, and that there are several competeing 3D kits that all have both advantages and disadvantages.

In short, this isn't the gimicky/cheesy 3D of old, this is a more refined and advanced 3D and, as a result, can be somewhat pricey for the average consumer, especially when they don't understand what it takes to have a properlly setup and convincing 3D experience.

Nvidia is right there on the forefront of this tech, in fact you could argue that Nvidia, along with the Motion Picture Assoc. is responsible for kick starting the "3D at home" craze and thusly giving life to other products that are now in the lime light due to Nvidia's intervention in what was a nearly extinct form of entertainment.

So, you can thank Nvidia for making great strides in this tech and bringing it back to the forefront of Home Entertainment with MUCH improved specs and useability.

An at home 3D experience for much less than the cost of just 1 1080p capable display a mere 5 years ago.. Way to go Nvidia!

~Nutz
[quote name='Cragproductions' post='1075484' date='Jun 18 2010, 11:09 AM']I suppose Nvidia think that buying one of their cards is not enough to get 3D support, you must also buy their short ranged, expensive glasses too...



I am beggining to struggle with a good reason to stay with Nvidia at the moment. it seems ATI and iz3D is a cheaper, more powerful and flexible 3D system...



Still, I had 2 questions in my post. I assume your response was to my first question, how about the second? does the IR emitter need to know there are glasses synced with it to push out 3D? or will the simple fact an emitter is plugged in suffice?





What you are asking, in both questions, is not possible.



You simply can not mix and match 3D technologies to suit your needs.



Also, what is this blue tint you speak of? There is no such issue when using the Nvidia 3D Vision Shutter Glasses.



If you are concerned about the price of trying to set this up you might as well stop now, if you don't set this up properlly, no matter which technology you use, it will either not work or the results will be problematic. Just like anything electronic these days, the phrase "You get what you pay for" applies heavily to this semi-newer tech. I am very aware that 3D technology has been around for many years, however, it has NOT (until recently) moved out of the ultra-niche category it has been a part of for the last 10 plus years.



Never before has 3D been so prevelant in our day to day tech dealings, the difference between "then" and "now" 3D is that 3D is being pitched not just to the uber-techie, but to average consumers as well. The problem with that is the average consumers expect so much for so little in these days of HD/3D and relatively inexpensive flat panel LCD/Plasma etc.. displays and they don't realize that it takes a certain combination of products that are "enhanced" or "optimized" for 3D use. Most don't realize they need a certain type of display with certain specs, and that there are several competeing 3D kits that all have both advantages and disadvantages.



In short, this isn't the gimicky/cheesy 3D of old, this is a more refined and advanced 3D and, as a result, can be somewhat pricey for the average consumer, especially when they don't understand what it takes to have a properlly setup and convincing 3D experience.



Nvidia is right there on the forefront of this tech, in fact you could argue that Nvidia, along with the Motion Picture Assoc. is responsible for kick starting the "3D at home" craze and thusly giving life to other products that are now in the lime light due to Nvidia's intervention in what was a nearly extinct form of entertainment.



So, you can thank Nvidia for making great strides in this tech and bringing it back to the forefront of Home Entertainment with MUCH improved specs and useability.



An at home 3D experience for much less than the cost of just 1 1080p capable display a mere 5 years ago.. Way to go Nvidia!



~Nutz

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#5
Posted 06/18/2010 04:14 PM   
As far as I am aware DLP link glasses *ARE* compatible with Nvidia generated 3D content, along side the Nvidia glasses.

What DLP Link is, is the first positive step in 'standardizing' 3D and stopping the un-consumer friendly madness that is the current state of 3D.

Basically the DLP device (projector or tv) emits a 'flash' on the screen that syncs the link glasses to it. pretty much any 3D source you put in to the DLP device will sync correctly with the link glasses, so in my question my suggestion was to use the DLP link glasses to watch content shown by Nvidias graphics card.

I am in no way struggling for cash to fund this project, but what I am doing is making sure i buy the best and most future proof set up. DLP link glasses are far more versatile than Nvidia glasses, there are several brands to choose from and many say that the darkening effect of DLP is less than Nvidia. They are also much cheaper - which makes it an even more logical choice.

The blue tint I speak off is a DLP link 'side effect' of the synchronization flash, which is canceled out by DLP link glasses but would not be by the Nvidia glasses - so while you can actually used them both together, the Nvidia glasses would be seeing a blue tinted image while the DLP would see the standard image.

For this reason I want to make a DLP link set up and I am trying to find the best way of making this happen, the ideal setup is Nvidia driver running DLP link with no IR Emitter or Nvidia glasses. Seems from a rely this isnt possible, but just the Emitter might do the trick.

Having the emitter in the middle of the floor isn't really an option as I am not really into having to move things about just to enjoy my theatre - I just want a setup that works without moving things about.

For the record - i dont expect something for free, but I dont expect to be tied down to one particular brand unnecessarily - which IMO is what requirinf the IR emitter to be plugged in does. If 3D fails in the mainstream then it will be soley because each manufacturer insists on limiting their devices to their glasses only. as I said, DLP is the first step towards standardization - and is a cheap, effective entry level into the world of 3D - I have a 130", I can buy the projector for that, 5 pairs of glasses and a £1000 3D gaming PC for the price of a 50" 3D Plasma.
As far as I am aware DLP link glasses *ARE* compatible with Nvidia generated 3D content, along side the Nvidia glasses.



What DLP Link is, is the first positive step in 'standardizing' 3D and stopping the un-consumer friendly madness that is the current state of 3D.



Basically the DLP device (projector or tv) emits a 'flash' on the screen that syncs the link glasses to it. pretty much any 3D source you put in to the DLP device will sync correctly with the link glasses, so in my question my suggestion was to use the DLP link glasses to watch content shown by Nvidias graphics card.



I am in no way struggling for cash to fund this project, but what I am doing is making sure i buy the best and most future proof set up. DLP link glasses are far more versatile than Nvidia glasses, there are several brands to choose from and many say that the darkening effect of DLP is less than Nvidia. They are also much cheaper - which makes it an even more logical choice.



The blue tint I speak off is a DLP link 'side effect' of the synchronization flash, which is canceled out by DLP link glasses but would not be by the Nvidia glasses - so while you can actually used them both together, the Nvidia glasses would be seeing a blue tinted image while the DLP would see the standard image.



For this reason I want to make a DLP link set up and I am trying to find the best way of making this happen, the ideal setup is Nvidia driver running DLP link with no IR Emitter or Nvidia glasses. Seems from a rely this isnt possible, but just the Emitter might do the trick.



Having the emitter in the middle of the floor isn't really an option as I am not really into having to move things about just to enjoy my theatre - I just want a setup that works without moving things about.



For the record - i dont expect something for free, but I dont expect to be tied down to one particular brand unnecessarily - which IMO is what requirinf the IR emitter to be plugged in does. If 3D fails in the mainstream then it will be soley because each manufacturer insists on limiting their devices to their glasses only. as I said, DLP is the first step towards standardization - and is a cheap, effective entry level into the world of 3D - I have a 130", I can buy the projector for that, 5 pairs of glasses and a £1000 3D gaming PC for the price of a 50" 3D Plasma.

#6
Posted 06/18/2010 08:32 PM   
[quote name='Cragproductions' post='1075441' date='Jun 18 2010, 08:57 AM']I am just wondering whether it is possible to use an Nvidia card with the nvidia drivers in 3D – but NOT use the Nvidia IR emitter and glasses?

The reason I ask is that:

1) My room is too large for the IR transmitter to work effectively (seating is just outside of 15 foot from the PC)
2) I need to buy several sets of glasses, so the much cheaper DLP Link glasses are the best solution (the DLP Link glasses remove the blue tint btw )

Alternatively, can you use just the IR emitter to get nvidia to output in 3D – without it being sync’d up to a pair of glasses? That way I could at least buy the Nvidia set, then sell the un-needed glasses.

I am going to need about 4 sets of glasses and im not about to spend £400 on them when I can get DLP link ones for less than half that price – plus synchronisation of DLP link glasses is much easier.

I believe that what I need is possible with iZ3D – but im not sure that that would provide a stable enough experience to invest about a thousand pounds into…[/quote]


Yes you can!!

Done it and it works
emitter has to be plugged in that's all as long as your display is dlp-link too.
[quote name='Cragproductions' post='1075441' date='Jun 18 2010, 08:57 AM']I am just wondering whether it is possible to use an Nvidia card with the nvidia drivers in 3D – but NOT use the Nvidia IR emitter and glasses?



The reason I ask is that:



1) My room is too large for the IR transmitter to work effectively (seating is just outside of 15 foot from the PC)

2) I need to buy several sets of glasses, so the much cheaper DLP Link glasses are the best solution (the DLP Link glasses remove the blue tint btw )



Alternatively, can you use just the IR emitter to get nvidia to output in 3D – without it being sync’d up to a pair of glasses? That way I could at least buy the Nvidia set, then sell the un-needed glasses.



I am going to need about 4 sets of glasses and im not about to spend £400 on them when I can get DLP link ones for less than half that price – plus synchronisation of DLP link glasses is much easier.



I believe that what I need is possible with iZ3D – but im not sure that that would provide a stable enough experience to invest about a thousand pounds into…





Yes you can!!



Done it and it works

emitter has to be plugged in that's all as long as your display is dlp-link too.

#7
Posted 06/19/2010 01:07 AM   
[quote name='Crash27' post='1075741' date='Jun 19 2010, 02:07 AM']Yes you can!!

Done it and it works
emitter has to be plugged in that's all as long as your display is dlp-link too.[/quote]

Fantastic. then I guess this is the route I will be taking!
[quote name='Crash27' post='1075741' date='Jun 19 2010, 02:07 AM']Yes you can!!



Done it and it works

emitter has to be plugged in that's all as long as your display is dlp-link too.



Fantastic. then I guess this is the route I will be taking!

#8
Posted 06/19/2010 10:34 AM   
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