3D vision does not work on windows 10 on multiple systems, please help.
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The company I work for produces a 3D Vision based program used by Optometrists for Vision Therapy. Since the falls creators edition update to Windows 10, we have had nothing but constant issues from Win 10. More recently, we have issues that cannot be resolved.
Since the FCU update, we regularly get calls that a windows update or upgrade happened and now the 3D Vision does not work. If we run our program, we get 3d vision not enabled. If we run 3d vision setup, it crashes. Sometimes using the Fix Manager works in this situation, sometimes you have to reinstall the drivers entirely then retry the setup.
For the most part, running DDU and reinstalling the latest drivers fixes that issue. Sometimes we need to use the Fix Manager as well.
We found that when windows updates the video driver thru windows update, it seems to not update the 3d vision portion or deletes it. This means any 3D Vision program would not work until drivers fully reinstalled, and this happens on every single update.
This also occurs when MS upgrades the OS and is not restricted to just driver updates.
I mention the stuff above to note that we have been pretty successfully in repairing these situations to date. Its also worthy to note that out of 2k units out in the field, we get about 2-3 calls a day about this issue(windows updates induces the problems). We regularly get customers with the same repeat issue, because its nearly impossible to stop windows updates even if you tell windows to not update.
Recently, in the last 3 months we have had an increasing # of computers where the above issue cannot be resolved at all unless we replace the card with a different model.
Here is the process I just went through this week with 2 of the units we received back in the office.
Custom Made Shuttle PC:
1. PC parts were custom built by the end user and is not the similar to majority of our computers we normally send. GFX card installed is GTX 560 TI.
2. End user calls us stating 3D is not working after windows update.
3. After troubleshooting remotely(DDU reinstall of drivers) and End User was unable to complete the 3D setup, we prompted them to reimage the computer. They reimaged and had the same problem, unable to complete the 3D setup without crashing. Shipped the computer back to our office at that point.
4. When we got the unit, we tried all of the things that normally fix it. We also reinstalled Windows 10 using a USB with the latest version of 10(update 1709). Same crash/error.
5. We removed the GFX card and swapped with a GTX 730, reinstalled the drivers and it works perfectly without issue.
6. Reinstalled GTX 560 TI, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
7. Reinstalled GTX 730, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
8. Installed GTS 240, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
9. Installed GTX 630, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
10. Reinstalled GTX 730, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
11. Installed GTX 1030, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
12. Reinstalled GTX 630, DDU and reinstall drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
It is a guarantee that any card above a 730 seems to work. But the 560 TI that previously worked will absolutely not work now.
With that knowledge I went to the second computer having the same unresolved problem.
1. This computer is an HP 3400 Microtower and is a common model we send out. This unit already had a GTX 630 installed. This PC is also a Windows 10 upgrade from a Windows 7 OS. We did not reinstall the OS on this one yet.
2. Similar to the previous, all remote troubleshooting steps failed. Received unit back in office.
3. Used DDU to reinstall drivers. Still with GTX 630, unable to complete setup without crashing.
4. Installed GTX 560 TI from the previous computer. DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashing at the 3D setup.
5. Install GTX 730, and it works just fine.
We also ran GPUz on each test. We noticed that all the cards that did not work, supported DirectX 11 and all the cards that did work, show DirectX 12(11).
To me, this tells me that a recent update to Windows seems to make cards below the 700 series not work to do 3D. I wonder if it has to do with DirectX support or not.
Can anyone else confirm they can use lower generation cards(cards that previously did work) on the latest version of windows 10 with the latest drivers without issue?
The company I work for produces a 3D Vision based program used by Optometrists for Vision Therapy. Since the falls creators edition update to Windows 10, we have had nothing but constant issues from Win 10. More recently, we have issues that cannot be resolved.
Since the FCU update, we regularly get calls that a windows update or upgrade happened and now the 3D Vision does not work. If we run our program, we get 3d vision not enabled. If we run 3d vision setup, it crashes. Sometimes using the Fix Manager works in this situation, sometimes you have to reinstall the drivers entirely then retry the setup.
For the most part, running DDU and reinstalling the latest drivers fixes that issue. Sometimes we need to use the Fix Manager as well.
We found that when windows updates the video driver thru windows update, it seems to not update the 3d vision portion or deletes it. This means any 3D Vision program would not work until drivers fully reinstalled, and this happens on every single update.
This also occurs when MS upgrades the OS and is not restricted to just driver updates.
I mention the stuff above to note that we have been pretty successfully in repairing these situations to date. Its also worthy to note that out of 2k units out in the field, we get about 2-3 calls a day about this issue(windows updates induces the problems). We regularly get customers with the same repeat issue, because its nearly impossible to stop windows updates even if you tell windows to not update.
Recently, in the last 3 months we have had an increasing # of computers where the above issue cannot be resolved at all unless we replace the card with a different model.
Here is the process I just went through this week with 2 of the units we received back in the office.
Custom Made Shuttle PC:
1. PC parts were custom built by the end user and is not the similar to majority of our computers we normally send. GFX card installed is GTX 560 TI.
2. End user calls us stating 3D is not working after windows update.
3. After troubleshooting remotely(DDU reinstall of drivers) and End User was unable to complete the 3D setup, we prompted them to reimage the computer. They reimaged and had the same problem, unable to complete the 3D setup without crashing. Shipped the computer back to our office at that point.
4. When we got the unit, we tried all of the things that normally fix it. We also reinstalled Windows 10 using a USB with the latest version of 10(update 1709). Same crash/error.
5. We removed the GFX card and swapped with a GTX 730, reinstalled the drivers and it works perfectly without issue.
6. Reinstalled GTX 560 TI, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
7. Reinstalled GTX 730, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
8. Installed GTS 240, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
9. Installed GTX 630, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
10. Reinstalled GTX 730, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
11. Installed GTX 1030, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
12. Reinstalled GTX 630, DDU and reinstall drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
It is a guarantee that any card above a 730 seems to work. But the 560 TI that previously worked will absolutely not work now.
With that knowledge I went to the second computer having the same unresolved problem.
1. This computer is an HP 3400 Microtower and is a common model we send out. This unit already had a GTX 630 installed. This PC is also a Windows 10 upgrade from a Windows 7 OS. We did not reinstall the OS on this one yet.
2. Similar to the previous, all remote troubleshooting steps failed. Received unit back in office.
3. Used DDU to reinstall drivers. Still with GTX 630, unable to complete setup without crashing.
4. Installed GTX 560 TI from the previous computer. DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashing at the 3D setup.
5. Install GTX 730, and it works just fine.
We also ran GPUz on each test. We noticed that all the cards that did not work, supported DirectX 11 and all the cards that did work, show DirectX 12(11).
To me, this tells me that a recent update to Windows seems to make cards below the 700 series not work to do 3D. I wonder if it has to do with DirectX support or not.
Can anyone else confirm they can use lower generation cards(cards that previously did work) on the latest version of windows 10 with the latest drivers without issue?
First off, this is a user to user support forum, since this is business related, I'd recommend that you open a support ticket directly with Nvidia.
Second, I know for sure that at least the 240 GPU has been depreciated and will not work with 3D and the latest drivers. Learn2readdrivernotes.
There's a bat file, that you can use to circumvent the 3D Wizard/setup process. It has helped users with this issue.
You'll have to search for it, use a criteria of the last 18 months.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/824274/
Ill post in business section, didnt know there was a separate.
"There's a bat file, that you can use to circumvent the 3D Wizard/setup process. It has helped users with this issue."
This is the same stuff that the fix manager does. As stated in post, those things arent working. They only work when using 700 series or higher.
Hmm, your in luck, I was able to easily find the post I was thinking of
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1019764/3d-vision/3d-vision-fails-after-windows-10-creators-and-new-drivers-update/post/5205887/#5205887
If this doesn't work, search farther, there were more threads on this issue.
BTW, stereoscopic gaming is pure awesomeness, you should check it out sometime, if you are already doing so.
http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch
"
Hmm, your in luck, I was able to easily find the post I was thinking of"
Ill try that bat script here and see what happens. Ty.
"Some of the other older GPUs might not be working with Windows 10 because of their WDDM feature level."
This is the kind of thing I thought might be the case. Do you have any more information about that possibly? Just trying to determine if there is a feature lockout due to a certain update or something. If so, I can get around not using certain windows 10 updates.
Ill sent a support request to Nvidia as well.
"
Hmm, your in luck, I was able to easily find the post I was thinking of"
Ill try that bat script here and see what happens. Ty.
"Some of the other older GPUs might not be working with Windows 10 because of their WDDM feature level."
This is the kind of thing I thought might be the case. Do you have any more information about that possibly? Just trying to determine if there is a feature lockout due to a certain update or something. If so, I can get around not using certain windows 10 updates.
@RKB23: You've done some good debugging there to narrow down the list of cards.
Taking a quick look at generations- that list looks to me like any Fermi based card is failing.
The docs say it's supposed to work, but of course Microsoft is causing endless problems now. It used to be that you could count on Microsoft for backward compatibility, and now they don't care, breaking even fairly new hardware.
I don't know what would have changed, although my guess would be a change to the WDDM for Fall Creator.
Nobody here in these forums is running a Fermi based card, it's too old for good game performance.
One thing that worked for me after one of these stupid automatic driver killing updates was to use the Roll Back driver feature. After I rolled back to my previously working driver, it stopped forcing driver updates.
For your scenario of needing reliable hardware for Vision Therapy- I would strongly recommend that you use Win7, not Win10. You are receiving the endless pain that Win10 provides, and for your purposes, the OS is not important, your software and configuration is the important part.
Win7 will be stable and unchanging and a better match for what you need. Especially for 3D Vision, Win7 is much more stable.
Possibly helpful info regarding the stereo settings in FCU, and disabling full screen optimizations.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1027886/3d-vision/3d-stereoscopic-options-are-not-avialable-after-update-to-windows-10-17-9/1/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1027053/win10-fall-creators-update-killed-nv-3d-vision/
@RKB23: You've done some good debugging there to narrow down the list of cards.
Taking a quick look at generations- that list looks to me like any Fermi based card is failing.
The docs say it's supposed to work, but of course Microsoft is causing endless problems now. It used to be that you could count on Microsoft for backward compatibility, and now they don't care, breaking even fairly new hardware.
I don't know what would have changed, although my guess would be a change to the WDDM for Fall Creator.
Nobody here in these forums is running a Fermi based card, it's too old for good game performance.
One thing that worked for me after one of these stupid automatic driver killing updates was to use the Roll Back driver feature. After I rolled back to my previously working driver, it stopped forcing driver updates.
For your scenario of needing reliable hardware for Vision Therapy- I would strongly recommend that you use Win7, not Win10. You are receiving the endless pain that Win10 provides, and for your purposes, the OS is not important, your software and configuration is the important part.
Win7 will be stable and unchanging and a better match for what you need. Especially for 3D Vision, Win7 is much more stable.
Possibly helpful info regarding the stereo settings in FCU, and disabling full screen optimizations.
You should also mention that Nvidia is dropping support for 32 bit operating systems, very soon, if they haven't already.
So um yah, do not buy W7 32bit, if you go that route. Although you could have your clients stay on a supported driver, but assuredly, some dumbass will update the driver and say "hey, your shit aint working"
8.1 64 bit might be a better option from a business standpoint, since main stream support has been dropped for W7. But 8.0 was also where WDDM changes in regards to stereoscopic rendering were started.
You should also mention that Nvidia is dropping support for 32 bit operating systems, very soon, if they haven't already.
So um yah, do not buy W7 32bit, if you go that route. Although you could have your clients stay on a supported driver, but assuredly, some dumbass will update the driver and say "hey, your shit aint working"
8.1 64 bit might be a better option from a business standpoint, since main stream support has been dropped for W7. But 8.0 was also where WDDM changes in regards to stereoscopic rendering were started.
Recent W10 updates also broke something in how NVIDIA drivers deal with monitors that can go over 120Hz. The NVIDIA drivers used to force the monitor down to 120Hz when 3D Vision was enabled but that system no longer works very well. If the monitor is going above 120Hz, the 3D Vision system can't keep up so it blocks use of the monitor.
That's an easy one to get around, though. Set the monitor to 120Hz and reboot. (I've forgotten now if that's done in the NVIDIA drivers or just selected from the monitor's on-screen menu - I think I did it in the drivers.)
As I just posted in another thread - I wouldn't stick with 3D Vision going forward. NVIDIA isn't turning it off but it clearly isn't a priority for them now. If my business was depending on it, I would be trying to jump over to AR or VR.
Recent W10 updates also broke something in how NVIDIA drivers deal with monitors that can go over 120Hz. The NVIDIA drivers used to force the monitor down to 120Hz when 3D Vision was enabled but that system no longer works very well. If the monitor is going above 120Hz, the 3D Vision system can't keep up so it blocks use of the monitor.
That's an easy one to get around, though. Set the monitor to 120Hz and reboot. (I've forgotten now if that's done in the NVIDIA drivers or just selected from the monitor's on-screen menu - I think I did it in the drivers.)
As I just posted in another thread - I wouldn't stick with 3D Vision going forward. NVIDIA isn't turning it off but it clearly isn't a priority for them now. If my business was depending on it, I would be trying to jump over to AR or VR.
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.
Ignore Zloth, he must not read driver notes. Or Nvidia's Blog or News or Whitepapers.
While 3D gaming might not be a priority, they fully support pro stereoscopic products. Their Quadro products are used WorldWide in so many different applications, it's insane.
On the consumer side....
Nvidia still continues to sporadically test and add games in 3D.
They also will fix driver bugs, if reported properly.
They also do security upgrades.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-fermi-video-view08.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-fermi-video-view04.html
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/06/07/3d-heart-modeling/
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/11/26/intelligent-medical-instruments/
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/06/20/human-brain-project/
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3807/~/security-bulletin%3A-cve-2015-7865%3A-stereoscopic-3d-driver-service-arbitrary-run
Ignore Zloth, he must not read driver notes. Or Nvidia's Blog or News or Whitepapers.
While 3D gaming might not be a priority, they fully support pro stereoscopic products. Their Quadro products are used WorldWide in so many different applications, it's insane.
On the consumer side....
Nvidia still continues to sporadically test and add games in 3D.
They also will fix driver bugs, if reported properly.
There's also this, it might be another option
[quote="Kaimasta"]-> Windows 10 LTSB
This is a stripped down version of Windows 10 and you won't get any headaches from mandatory feature updates.
"Enterprise LTSB is a long-term support version of Windows 10 Enterprise released every 2 to 3 years. They are supported with security updates for 10 years after their release, and intentionally receive no feature updates. Some features, including the Windows Store and bundled apps, are not included in this edition."
You can always install any missing features including Windows Store and you can always disable any telemetry with a bit of work even on a normal Windows 10 version but I agree with what [b]sebastatu[/b] said above if you want to have the latest features that is.
Personally I installed W10 just for DX12 alone and eventually DX12 will be better optimized becoming the norm though that's gonna take quite a while I guess.
Also there's always the option of having a dual-boot setup which is indeed a smart thing if something doesn't work properly.[/quote]
Kaimasta said:-> Windows 10 LTSB
This is a stripped down version of Windows 10 and you won't get any headaches from mandatory feature updates.
"Enterprise LTSB is a long-term support version of Windows 10 Enterprise released every 2 to 3 years. They are supported with security updates for 10 years after their release, and intentionally receive no feature updates. Some features, including the Windows Store and bundled apps, are not included in this edition."
You can always install any missing features including Windows Store and you can always disable any telemetry with a bit of work even on a normal Windows 10 version but I agree with what sebastatu said above if you want to have the latest features that is.
Personally I installed W10 just for DX12 alone and eventually DX12 will be better optimized becoming the norm though that's gonna take quite a while I guess.
Also there's always the option of having a dual-boot setup which is indeed a smart thing if something doesn't work properly.
[quote="D-Man11"]Ignore Zloth, he must not read driver notes. Or Nvidia's Blog or News or Whitepapers.[/quote]
I do read driver notes, though not the other stuff. They give us an occasional update (I think today's drivers did something with the profile loader) but proper support? Not even close. Things we were begging for back in the old forums years ago - SIMPLE things like adding the screenshot key to the configuration dialog - have never been done. Recording videos is crazy because they keep changing the way it works on us without a peep in the patch notes. I can (and have) go on and on.
I haven't seen NVIDIA be really active with 3D Vision since the Witcher 2 got fixed. It's pretty clear that 3D Vision simply isn't a priority for them anymore. It's not forgotten, just low priority.
P.S. Your first two links are from August 2010!
https://web.archive.org/web/20100803010824/http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-fermi-video-view04.html
D-Man11 said:Ignore Zloth, he must not read driver notes. Or Nvidia's Blog or News or Whitepapers.
I do read driver notes, though not the other stuff. They give us an occasional update (I think today's drivers did something with the profile loader) but proper support? Not even close. Things we were begging for back in the old forums years ago - SIMPLE things like adding the screenshot key to the configuration dialog - have never been done. Recording videos is crazy because they keep changing the way it works on us without a peep in the patch notes. I can (and have) go on and on.
I haven't seen NVIDIA be really active with 3D Vision since the Witcher 2 got fixed. It's pretty clear that 3D Vision simply isn't a priority for them anymore. It's not forgotten, just low priority.
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.
I agreed with you, it's not a priority to Nvidia.
I included those earlier videos to help demonstrate the integration of stereoscopy in the medical profession. Nothing has changed since then, only improved. The professional industry didn't abandon stereoscopic rendering when the 3D TV craze faded, nor will they ever.
Sure, as you say, VR has it's place in the industry as well
I included those earlier videos to help demonstrate the integration of stereoscopy in the medical profession. Nothing has changed since then, only improved. The professional industry didn't abandon stereoscopic rendering when the 3D TV craze faded, nor will they ever.
Sure, as you say, VR has it's place in the industry as well
D-Man, I am not a professional user and am not at all happy to have lost support for something that was
working.
I have invested a significant amount of money to have a 3dtv with the idea of using it for gaming and the promise from Nvidia for a 3d-capable driver.
Having it suddenly not work as expected and what is worse no way to get it working is not a sign of good things to come.
By the looks of it I will have to update my GPU to get things to work and since I can't currently invest in a new system I can't in effect play in 3d. I wouldn't call that good support. I am not a business user but businesses aren't willing to upgrade before there is an actual need to do so.
D-Man, I am not a professional user and am not at all happy to have lost support for something that was
working.
I have invested a significant amount of money to have a 3dtv with the idea of using it for gaming and the promise from Nvidia for a 3d-capable driver.
Having it suddenly not work as expected and what is worse no way to get it working is not a sign of good things to come.
By the looks of it I will have to update my GPU to get things to work and since I can't currently invest in a new system I can't in effect play in 3d. I wouldn't call that good support. I am not a business user but businesses aren't willing to upgrade before there is an actual need to do so.
Since the FCU update, we regularly get calls that a windows update or upgrade happened and now the 3D Vision does not work. If we run our program, we get 3d vision not enabled. If we run 3d vision setup, it crashes. Sometimes using the Fix Manager works in this situation, sometimes you have to reinstall the drivers entirely then retry the setup.
For the most part, running DDU and reinstalling the latest drivers fixes that issue. Sometimes we need to use the Fix Manager as well.
We found that when windows updates the video driver thru windows update, it seems to not update the 3d vision portion or deletes it. This means any 3D Vision program would not work until drivers fully reinstalled, and this happens on every single update.
This also occurs when MS upgrades the OS and is not restricted to just driver updates.
I mention the stuff above to note that we have been pretty successfully in repairing these situations to date. Its also worthy to note that out of 2k units out in the field, we get about 2-3 calls a day about this issue(windows updates induces the problems). We regularly get customers with the same repeat issue, because its nearly impossible to stop windows updates even if you tell windows to not update.
Recently, in the last 3 months we have had an increasing # of computers where the above issue cannot be resolved at all unless we replace the card with a different model.
Here is the process I just went through this week with 2 of the units we received back in the office.
Custom Made Shuttle PC:
1. PC parts were custom built by the end user and is not the similar to majority of our computers we normally send. GFX card installed is GTX 560 TI.
2. End user calls us stating 3D is not working after windows update.
3. After troubleshooting remotely(DDU reinstall of drivers) and End User was unable to complete the 3D setup, we prompted them to reimage the computer. They reimaged and had the same problem, unable to complete the 3D setup without crashing. Shipped the computer back to our office at that point.
4. When we got the unit, we tried all of the things that normally fix it. We also reinstalled Windows 10 using a USB with the latest version of 10(update 1709). Same crash/error.
5. We removed the GFX card and swapped with a GTX 730, reinstalled the drivers and it works perfectly without issue.
6. Reinstalled GTX 560 TI, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
7. Reinstalled GTX 730, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
8. Installed GTS 240, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
9. Installed GTX 630, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
10. Reinstalled GTX 730, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
11. Installed GTX 1030, DDU and reinstalled drivers. Works without issue the very first time.
12. Reinstalled GTX 630, DDU and reinstall drivers. Crashes at setting up 3D.
It is a guarantee that any card above a 730 seems to work. But the 560 TI that previously worked will absolutely not work now.
With that knowledge I went to the second computer having the same unresolved problem.
1. This computer is an HP 3400 Microtower and is a common model we send out. This unit already had a GTX 630 installed. This PC is also a Windows 10 upgrade from a Windows 7 OS. We did not reinstall the OS on this one yet.
2. Similar to the previous, all remote troubleshooting steps failed. Received unit back in office.
3. Used DDU to reinstall drivers. Still with GTX 630, unable to complete setup without crashing.
4. Installed GTX 560 TI from the previous computer. DDU and reinstalled drivers. Crashing at the 3D setup.
5. Install GTX 730, and it works just fine.
We also ran GPUz on each test. We noticed that all the cards that did not work, supported DirectX 11 and all the cards that did work, show DirectX 12(11).
To me, this tells me that a recent update to Windows seems to make cards below the 700 series not work to do 3D. I wonder if it has to do with DirectX support or not.
Can anyone else confirm they can use lower generation cards(cards that previously did work) on the latest version of windows 10 with the latest drivers without issue?
Second, I know for sure that at least the 240 GPU has been depreciated and will not work with 3D and the latest drivers. Learn2readdrivernotes.
There's a bat file, that you can use to circumvent the 3D Wizard/setup process. It has helped users with this issue.
You'll have to search for it, use a criteria of the last 18 months.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/824274/
"There's a bat file, that you can use to circumvent the 3D Wizard/setup process. It has helped users with this issue."
This is the same stuff that the fix manager does. As stated in post, those things arent working. They only work when using 700 series or higher.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1019764/3d-vision/3d-vision-fails-after-windows-10-creators-and-new-drivers-update/post/5205887/#5205887
If this doesn't work, search farther, there were more threads on this issue.
BTW, stereoscopic gaming is pure awesomeness, you should check it out sometime, if you are already doing so.
http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch
Hmm, your in luck, I was able to easily find the post I was thinking of"
Ill try that bat script here and see what happens. Ty.
"Some of the other older GPUs might not be working with Windows 10 because of their WDDM feature level."
This is the kind of thing I thought might be the case. Do you have any more information about that possibly? Just trying to determine if there is a feature lockout due to a certain update or something. If so, I can get around not using certain windows 10 updates.
Ill sent a support request to Nvidia as well.
I know nothing about your app, nor do I care to.
Google is your friend
GL
Taking a quick look at generations- that list looks to me like any Fermi based card is failing.
The docs say it's supposed to work, but of course Microsoft is causing endless problems now. It used to be that you could count on Microsoft for backward compatibility, and now they don't care, breaking even fairly new hardware.
I don't know what would have changed, although my guess would be a change to the WDDM for Fall Creator.
Nobody here in these forums is running a Fermi based card, it's too old for good game performance.
One thing that worked for me after one of these stupid automatic driver killing updates was to use the Roll Back driver feature. After I rolled back to my previously working driver, it stopped forcing driver updates.
For your scenario of needing reliable hardware for Vision Therapy- I would strongly recommend that you use Win7, not Win10. You are receiving the endless pain that Win10 provides, and for your purposes, the OS is not important, your software and configuration is the important part.
Win7 will be stable and unchanging and a better match for what you need. Especially for 3D Vision, Win7 is much more stable.
Possibly helpful info regarding the stereo settings in FCU, and disabling full screen optimizations.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1027886/3d-vision/3d-stereoscopic-options-are-not-avialable-after-update-to-windows-10-17-9/1/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1027053/win10-fall-creators-update-killed-nv-3d-vision/
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So um yah, do not buy W7 32bit, if you go that route. Although you could have your clients stay on a supported driver, but assuredly, some dumbass will update the driver and say "hey, your shit aint working"
8.1 64 bit might be a better option from a business standpoint, since main stream support has been dropped for W7. But 8.0 was also where WDDM changes in regards to stereoscopic rendering were started.
That's an easy one to get around, though. Set the monitor to 120Hz and reboot. (I've forgotten now if that's done in the NVIDIA drivers or just selected from the monitor's on-screen menu - I think I did it in the drivers.)
As I just posted in another thread - I wouldn't stick with 3D Vision going forward. NVIDIA isn't turning it off but it clearly isn't a priority for them now. If my business was depending on it, I would be trying to jump over to AR or VR.
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.
-- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil"
While 3D gaming might not be a priority, they fully support pro stereoscopic products. Their Quadro products are used WorldWide in so many different applications, it's insane.
On the consumer side....
Nvidia still continues to sporadically test and add games in 3D.
They also will fix driver bugs, if reported properly.
They also do security upgrades.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-fermi-video-view08.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-fermi-video-view04.html
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/06/07/3d-heart-modeling/
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/11/26/intelligent-medical-instruments/
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/06/20/human-brain-project/
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3807/~/security-bulletin%3A-cve-2015-7865%3A-stereoscopic-3d-driver-service-arbitrary-run
I do read driver notes, though not the other stuff. They give us an occasional update (I think today's drivers did something with the profile loader) but proper support? Not even close. Things we were begging for back in the old forums years ago - SIMPLE things like adding the screenshot key to the configuration dialog - have never been done. Recording videos is crazy because they keep changing the way it works on us without a peep in the patch notes. I can (and have) go on and on.
I haven't seen NVIDIA be really active with 3D Vision since the Witcher 2 got fixed. It's pretty clear that 3D Vision simply isn't a priority for them anymore. It's not forgotten, just low priority.
P.S. Your first two links are from August 2010!
https://web.archive.org/web/20100803010824/http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-fermi-video-view04.html
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.
-- Doctor Who, "Face of Evil"
I included those earlier videos to help demonstrate the integration of stereoscopy in the medical profession. Nothing has changed since then, only improved. The professional industry didn't abandon stereoscopic rendering when the 3D TV craze faded, nor will they ever.
Sure, as you say, VR has it's place in the industry as well
working.
I have invested a significant amount of money to have a 3dtv with the idea of using it for gaming and the promise from Nvidia for a 3d-capable driver.
Having it suddenly not work as expected and what is worse no way to get it working is not a sign of good things to come.
By the looks of it I will have to update my GPU to get things to work and since I can't currently invest in a new system I can't in effect play in 3d. I wouldn't call that good support. I am not a business user but businesses aren't willing to upgrade before there is an actual need to do so.
http://helixmod.blogspot.com/