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Hi Larry,

thanks for the quick reply! It's good news for me because my major concern was that the display is quite dark already and that it would darken beyond usability when used with stereo glasses.
A couple more questions if you don't mind: What about the keyboard quality and the noise level under heavy duty? And about the glasses: Do you use the Nvidia 3D or the Nvidia 3D Pro for the professional applications (quad-buffered stereo)?

Thanks,
Felix


[quote name='BigLars' date='22 December 2011 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1324516163' post='1345539']

Hi Felix. I can't speak for Eurocom's 60Hz displays but the 120Hz display looks great (more info on this display [url="http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/565026-inside-l702x-fhd-3d-1080p-display-panel-assembly.html"]here[/url]). It's plenty bright and the native 1920X1080 resolution gives you lots of real estate. The only drawback so far, and this is probably on me, is some slight ghosting on stereo aerial photos on the lower third of the display. The reason I say "on me" is because I looked at another set of stereo aerial photos and the ghosting had all but disappeared. Overall, we are quite happy to have a mobile, quad-buffered, 3D solution.

Larry
[/quote]
Hi Larry,



thanks for the quick reply! It's good news for me because my major concern was that the display is quite dark already and that it would darken beyond usability when used with stereo glasses.

A couple more questions if you don't mind: What about the keyboard quality and the noise level under heavy duty? And about the glasses: Do you use the Nvidia 3D or the Nvidia 3D Pro for the professional applications (quad-buffered stereo)?



Thanks,

Felix





[quote name='BigLars' date='22 December 2011 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1324516163' post='1345539']



Hi Felix. I can't speak for Eurocom's 60Hz displays but the 120Hz display looks great (more info on this display here). It's plenty bright and the native 1920X1080 resolution gives you lots of real estate. The only drawback so far, and this is probably on me, is some slight ghosting on stereo aerial photos on the lower third of the display. The reason I say "on me" is because I looked at another set of stereo aerial photos and the ghosting had all but disappeared. Overall, we are quite happy to have a mobile, quad-buffered, 3D solution.



Larry

#16
Posted 12/22/2011 07:32 PM   
"A couple more questions if you don't mind: What about the keyboard quality and the noise level under heavy duty? And about the glasses: Do you use the Nvidia 3D or the Nvidia 3D Pro for the professional applications (quad-buffered stereo)?"

Happy to help, Felix. The keyboard is the chiclet style, which, if you're not used to, can feel odd. I didn't notice it to be particularly loud or awkward but I'm a slow typer and have never approached "heavy duty". /turned.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':turned:' /> The Neptune ships with a pair of the original 3D Vision glasses and will sync to the display's built-in emitter. You can also use the new 3D Vision 2 glasses. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Larry
"A couple more questions if you don't mind: What about the keyboard quality and the noise level under heavy duty? And about the glasses: Do you use the Nvidia 3D or the Nvidia 3D Pro for the professional applications (quad-buffered stereo)?"



Happy to help, Felix. The keyboard is the chiclet style, which, if you're not used to, can feel odd. I didn't notice it to be particularly loud or awkward but I'm a slow typer and have never approached "heavy duty". /turned.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':turned:' /> The Neptune ships with a pair of the original 3D Vision glasses and will sync to the display's built-in emitter. You can also use the new 3D Vision 2 glasses. Let me know if you have any other questions.



Larry

Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation

#17
Posted 12/22/2011 08:50 PM   
[quote name='GPLavoie' date='20 December 2011 - 10:08 AM' timestamp='1324397335' post='1344731']
Hey Larry,
Thanks for the responses. Photo Interp has came back to life up here in Northern Ontario. Unfortunately, there's a big gap in the workforce. I am teaching at a local college to get more photo interps graduated. The big question has been how do put together a lab without killing the budget.
[/quote]

On-screen PI is where it's at now and the ubiquity of digital aerial cameras makes this process much more efficient. We used to use 9X9-inch (23X23cm) film transparencies on zoom stereoscopes/light tables for all interpretation. Digital aerial cameras now provide exhaustive metadata at time of exposure and generating photo mosaics is sooo much easier. Generating stereo models is also a mostly automated process as well and since the photos are georeferenced, the on-screen delineations are too. The initial hardware/software purchases can be steep but I think you can recoup these costs fairly quickly due to the efficiency and accuracy gained from using imagery collected using GPS and inertial measurement units (that track the plane's roll, pitch, and crab). I hope your university will provide you with a good 3D workstation so students get exposure to this interpretation method among others. If I can assist in anyway, just let me know.

Larry
[quote name='GPLavoie' date='20 December 2011 - 10:08 AM' timestamp='1324397335' post='1344731']

Hey Larry,

Thanks for the responses. Photo Interp has came back to life up here in Northern Ontario. Unfortunately, there's a big gap in the workforce. I am teaching at a local college to get more photo interps graduated. The big question has been how do put together a lab without killing the budget.





On-screen PI is where it's at now and the ubiquity of digital aerial cameras makes this process much more efficient. We used to use 9X9-inch (23X23cm) film transparencies on zoom stereoscopes/light tables for all interpretation. Digital aerial cameras now provide exhaustive metadata at time of exposure and generating photo mosaics is sooo much easier. Generating stereo models is also a mostly automated process as well and since the photos are georeferenced, the on-screen delineations are too. The initial hardware/software purchases can be steep but I think you can recoup these costs fairly quickly due to the efficiency and accuracy gained from using imagery collected using GPS and inertial measurement units (that track the plane's roll, pitch, and crab). I hope your university will provide you with a good 3D workstation so students get exposure to this interpretation method among others. If I can assist in anyway, just let me know.



Larry

Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation

#18
Posted 12/22/2011 09:04 PM   
Hi Larry,

thanks again! I'm not typing fast enough to reach "heavy duty" either - I was more like referring to the fan noise under heavy duty lol :)
Sorry, didn't make that clear enough.
Another question would be about the touchpad: Does it have gestures like scrolling or turning etc. ?

Felix



[quote name='BigLars' date='22 December 2011 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1324587007' post='1345984']

Happy to help, Felix. The keyboard is the chiclet style, which, if you're not used to, can feel odd. I didn't notice it to be particularly loud or awkward but I'm a slow typer and have never approached "heavy duty". /turned.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':turned:' /> The Neptune ships with a pair of the original 3D Vision glasses and will sync to the display's built-in emitter. You can also use the new 3D Vision 2 glasses. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Larry
[/quote]
Hi Larry,



thanks again! I'm not typing fast enough to reach "heavy duty" either - I was more like referring to the fan noise under heavy duty lol :)

Sorry, didn't make that clear enough.

Another question would be about the touchpad: Does it have gestures like scrolling or turning etc. ?



Felix







[quote name='BigLars' date='22 December 2011 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1324587007' post='1345984']



Happy to help, Felix. The keyboard is the chiclet style, which, if you're not used to, can feel odd. I didn't notice it to be particularly loud or awkward but I'm a slow typer and have never approached "heavy duty". /turned.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':turned:' /> The Neptune ships with a pair of the original 3D Vision glasses and will sync to the display's built-in emitter. You can also use the new 3D Vision 2 glasses. Let me know if you have any other questions.



Larry

#19
Posted 12/23/2011 01:49 PM   
Hi again, Larry,

meanwhile I emailed with Eurocom and toward a question regarding quad-buffered stereo on the Neptune notebook display they answered to my surprise:

"Re: 3D support and Quadro
Please note that Quadro cards only support external monitor 3D Quad Buffering via DVI Dual Link port; Quadro cards do not support 3D internal displays on the notebook itself."

--> ?!?

I understood that you had windowed stereo working on your Neptune notebook display, right?

Really confused right now ...
Could you please hit me back to clear that up?

Would really appreciate it!

Merry christmas,
Cheers,
Felix
Hi again, Larry,



meanwhile I emailed with Eurocom and toward a question regarding quad-buffered stereo on the Neptune notebook display they answered to my surprise:



"Re: 3D support and Quadro

Please note that Quadro cards only support external monitor 3D Quad Buffering via DVI Dual Link port; Quadro cards do not support 3D internal displays on the notebook itself."



--> ?!?



I understood that you had windowed stereo working on your Neptune notebook display, right?



Really confused right now ...

Could you please hit me back to clear that up?



Would really appreciate it!



Merry christmas,

Cheers,

Felix

#20
Posted 12/26/2011 01:12 PM   
"Eurocom answered..."

"Re: 3D support and Quadro
Please note that Quadro cards only support external monitor 3D Quad Buffering via DVI Dual Link port; Quadro cards do not support 3D internal displays on the notebook itself."

Could you please hit me back to clear that up?"


Good morning, Felix. I got the exact same response from Eurocom and they initially tried to talk me out of a Quadro and into a GTX. I believe this was their first 120Hz/Quadro build and they didn't think it would work. However, we HAD to have a Quadro card for our software and we HAD to have a mobile 3D solution (as opposed to lugging around an 80-pound/36kg workstation) we insisted on the Quadro. We figured at worst, we'd need a much lighter 3D monitor if the laptop's display wasn't up to the task so we insisted that a Quadro card be used. After adjusting the usual Nvidia Control Panel options, I was able to get quad-buffered stereo to run, first in a preliminary test using [url="http://www.int03.co.uk/crema/software/StereoViewer/StereoViewer007-Binary.zip"]Stereo Viewer[/url], then in our 3D mapping app, Stereo Analyst.

The only drawback so far, and I don't know where the fault lies - with me, Eurocom/LG, or Nvidia, but there is some small, but annoying, separation on the lower third of the display on some imagery. I initially thought it was ghosting but now I think it may be parallax error in the stereo model. Some of the stereo aerial images show good alignment throughout the overlap area while on other images it deteriorates at you move away from the image's center and toward the edges. This laptop is not mine so I don't have access to it very often. I wish I could be more definitive but all I can say for sure is that the quad-buffering works (as long as you make sure you get the 120Hz 3D display!) and I will get this same config for myself eventually. BTW, it also outputs 3D over DVI-D in case that's a feature you're also interested in.

To answer your earlier questions, I suspected you might be talking about overall noise but wasn't certain. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' /> I don't not notice any excessive noise but neither did I do any serious processing. I'm a huge fan of SSDs and I'm sure that also helps keep the noise level down too. Overall, the build quality seems first rate and the modular design lends itself to easy upgrades so it feels like a laptop you can live with for awhile. It's not terribly small or lightweight, as you would guess, but it's lighter than my old Dell M50 that I carried for years.

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Larry
"Eurocom answered..."



"Re: 3D support and Quadro

Please note that Quadro cards only support external monitor 3D Quad Buffering via DVI Dual Link port; Quadro cards do not support 3D internal displays on the notebook itself."



Could you please hit me back to clear that up?"





Good morning, Felix. I got the exact same response from Eurocom and they initially tried to talk me out of a Quadro and into a GTX. I believe this was their first 120Hz/Quadro build and they didn't think it would work. However, we HAD to have a Quadro card for our software and we HAD to have a mobile 3D solution (as opposed to lugging around an 80-pound/36kg workstation) we insisted on the Quadro. We figured at worst, we'd need a much lighter 3D monitor if the laptop's display wasn't up to the task so we insisted that a Quadro card be used. After adjusting the usual Nvidia Control Panel options, I was able to get quad-buffered stereo to run, first in a preliminary test using Stereo Viewer, then in our 3D mapping app, Stereo Analyst.



The only drawback so far, and I don't know where the fault lies - with me, Eurocom/LG, or Nvidia, but there is some small, but annoying, separation on the lower third of the display on some imagery. I initially thought it was ghosting but now I think it may be parallax error in the stereo model. Some of the stereo aerial images show good alignment throughout the overlap area while on other images it deteriorates at you move away from the image's center and toward the edges. This laptop is not mine so I don't have access to it very often. I wish I could be more definitive but all I can say for sure is that the quad-buffering works (as long as you make sure you get the 120Hz 3D display!) and I will get this same config for myself eventually. BTW, it also outputs 3D over DVI-D in case that's a feature you're also interested in.



To answer your earlier questions, I suspected you might be talking about overall noise but wasn't certain. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' /> I don't not notice any excessive noise but neither did I do any serious processing. I'm a huge fan of SSDs and I'm sure that also helps keep the noise level down too. Overall, the build quality seems first rate and the modular design lends itself to easy upgrades so it feels like a laptop you can live with for awhile. It's not terribly small or lightweight, as you would guess, but it's lighter than my old Dell M50 that I carried for years.



If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask.



Larry

Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation

#21
Posted 12/26/2011 03:10 PM   
Hi Larry,

thanks a lot for your detailed answer - I am in a similar situation: I would like to get molecular visualization programs (PyMol and Coot) to work in stereo and these programs need windowed stereo. Having that on a laptop is not strictly necessary for me since I can set things up in stereo on a workstation in the lab. But since my current business laptop will die anytime soon I thought it would be super nice to have my new one equipped with windowed stereo. (I am going to invest > 3k anyways - if the stereo thing wouldn't work, I would go for a Dell Precision M6600 with an RGB LED IPS panel I guess)

I think I'll wait for the new illumiated (and hopefully redesigned) keyboards that should come ~ March 2012 from Clevo / Eurocom and then go for a similar setup that you wrote about. I also really like the scalability and the possibility to easily upgrade that Eurocom offers!

Have a good one!
Felix
Hi Larry,



thanks a lot for your detailed answer - I am in a similar situation: I would like to get molecular visualization programs (PyMol and Coot) to work in stereo and these programs need windowed stereo. Having that on a laptop is not strictly necessary for me since I can set things up in stereo on a workstation in the lab. But since my current business laptop will die anytime soon I thought it would be super nice to have my new one equipped with windowed stereo. (I am going to invest > 3k anyways - if the stereo thing wouldn't work, I would go for a Dell Precision M6600 with an RGB LED IPS panel I guess)



I think I'll wait for the new illumiated (and hopefully redesigned) keyboards that should come ~ March 2012 from Clevo / Eurocom and then go for a similar setup that you wrote about. I also really like the scalability and the possibility to easily upgrade that Eurocom offers!



Have a good one!

Felix

#22
Posted 12/26/2011 04:57 PM   
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