Questions about 3D Vision and System Setup
Situation:
I have been researching all kinds of information/forums about 3D gaming and entertainment. For some reason I can not understand a few concepts behind it. I was originally going with the [url="http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-GT700-Game-Time-Projector/dp/B003B43FEA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1328022362&sr=1-1"]Optoma GT700[/url] but now I am leaning more towards the [url="http://www.amazon.com/Optomas-GT750E-Short-Throw-Projector/dp/B005G2HR6W"]Optoma GT750E[/url] because it has the extra HDMI port, VESA, and also has HDMI 1.4 so if I wanted to connect a PS3 or Xbox 360, I could use the 3D for them. I have an [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130679"]Nvidia EVGA Gefore GTS450[/url]. I would also like to watch 3D Blurays through my HTPC.

Now for the Questions:
1. From what I understand, I will not be able to use the 3D Vision glasses for 3D gaming with gaming consoles/3D television. I would have to use separate DLP glasses. I am primarily using it for 3D PC gaming so if I can't use the 3D Vision glasses, that is no big deal and I'll probably go with the cheaper Optoma GT700 projector and upgrade in the future for a 3D 1080p projector (when they become cheaper).

2. I usually use DVI connections for my monitor, but since the projector has HDMI, would I be better off using the mini-HDMI on the video card and using the HDMI on the projector instead? I would have to buy an adapter for either solution regardless because this projector only has VGA not DVI and I would need a mini-HDMI adapter for the video card. If I go for the cheaper one, I would prefer to use the VGA since I will have the cable box hooked up via HDMI (getting a receiver at some point but not right away)

3. What does the VESA port do? From what I understand, it allows emitters to be connected to the projector which I would think allow the emitter that comes with the kit to be used.

4. I have searched a few forums and people have said that this projector will work with 3D vision with a few tweaks. On the Nvidia website however, it only has the Optoma GT750 listed, not the GT700 or GT750E. I am quite certain I can get it to work but want to be sure.

-I may be wrong about a lot of this, if not all of it but I am trying to grasp the concept of all of it before I make a big purchase.

Thanks in advance for the help.
Situation:

I have been researching all kinds of information/forums about 3D gaming and entertainment. For some reason I can not understand a few concepts behind it. I was originally going with the Optoma GT700 but now I am leaning more towards the Optoma GT750E because it has the extra HDMI port, VESA, and also has HDMI 1.4 so if I wanted to connect a PS3 or Xbox 360, I could use the 3D for them. I have an Nvidia EVGA Gefore GTS450. I would also like to watch 3D Blurays through my HTPC.



Now for the Questions:

1. From what I understand, I will not be able to use the 3D Vision glasses for 3D gaming with gaming consoles/3D television. I would have to use separate DLP glasses. I am primarily using it for 3D PC gaming so if I can't use the 3D Vision glasses, that is no big deal and I'll probably go with the cheaper Optoma GT700 projector and upgrade in the future for a 3D 1080p projector (when they become cheaper).



2. I usually use DVI connections for my monitor, but since the projector has HDMI, would I be better off using the mini-HDMI on the video card and using the HDMI on the projector instead? I would have to buy an adapter for either solution regardless because this projector only has VGA not DVI and I would need a mini-HDMI adapter for the video card. If I go for the cheaper one, I would prefer to use the VGA since I will have the cable box hooked up via HDMI (getting a receiver at some point but not right away)



3. What does the VESA port do? From what I understand, it allows emitters to be connected to the projector which I would think allow the emitter that comes with the kit to be used.



4. I have searched a few forums and people have said that this projector will work with 3D vision with a few tweaks. On the Nvidia website however, it only has the Optoma GT750 listed, not the GT700 or GT750E. I am quite certain I can get it to work but want to be sure.



-I may be wrong about a lot of this, if not all of it but I am trying to grasp the concept of all of it before I make a big purchase.



Thanks in advance for the help.

Build:
Case: Thermaltake Chaser MK-I
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-G1.Sniper Z97 LGA 1150 Intel Z97
RAM: 16GB GSkill Sniper 1866
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 780 GHz Edition x2
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 (with water cooling)
Power Supply: Corsair TX850W 80% energy efficient power supply
SSD: Seagate 240GB (OS and most played games)
HDD: Toshiba 3TB 7200RPM (Games)
Monitors: Acer H6 Series H226HQLbid Black 21.5" 5ms x3 & 24" Hanns-G Touchscreen (accessory)

#1
Posted 01/31/2012 03:29 PM   
[quote name='STierney' date='31 January 2012 - 09:29 AM' timestamp='1328023755' post='1363050']
Situation:
I have been researching all kinds of information/forums about 3D gaming and entertainment. For some reason I can not understand a few concepts behind it. I was originally going with the [url="http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-GT700-Game-Time-Projector/dp/B003B43FEA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1328022362&sr=1-1"]Optoma GT700[/url] but now I am leaning more towards the [url="http://www.amazon.com/Optomas-GT750E-Short-Throw-Projector/dp/B005G2HR6W"]Optoma GT750E[/url] because it has the extra HDMI port, VESA, and also has HDMI 1.4 so if I wanted to connect a PS3 or Xbox 360, I could use the 3D for them. I have an [url="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130679"]Nvidia EVGA Gefore GTS450[/url]. I would also like to watch 3D Blurays through my HTPC.

Now for the Questions:
1. From what I understand, I will not be able to use the 3D Vision glasses for 3D gaming with gaming consoles/3D television. I would have to use separate DLP glasses. I am primarily using it for 3D PC gaming so if I can't use the 3D Vision glasses, that is no big deal and I'll probably go with the cheaper Optoma GT700 projector and upgrade in the future for a 3D 1080p projector (when they become cheaper).

2. I usually use DVI connections for my monitor, but since the projector has HDMI, would I be better off using the mini-HDMI on the video card and using the HDMI on the projector instead? I would have to buy an adapter for either solution regardless because this projector only has VGA not DVI and I would need a mini-HDMI adapter for the video card. If I go for the cheaper one, I would prefer to use the VGA since I will have the cable box hooked up via HDMI (getting a receiver at some point but not right away)

3. What does the VESA port do? From what I understand, it allows emitters to be connected to the projector which I would think allow the emitter that comes with the kit to be used.

4. I have searched a few forums and people have said that this projector will work with 3D vision with a few tweaks. On the Nvidia website however, it only has the Optoma GT750 listed, not the GT700 or GT750E. I am quite certain I can get it to work but want to be sure.

-I may be wrong about a lot of this, if not all of it but I am trying to grasp the concept of all of it before I make a big purchase.

Thanks in advance for the help.
[/quote]

According to this [url="http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-compare.html"]table[/url] it seems to me that I can not use the 3D Vision glasses with the Optoma GT750E because it is HDMI 1.4 so therefore I would have to buy the manufacturers glasses instead and also purchase 3DTV Play? If that is so, then I should be able to use the manufacturers glasses to play at least PC games and watch Blu Ray. Would I be able to play 3D console games and watch 3D cable television through the projector? I wouldn't think so because the 3D comes from the video card and since those are not connected to it that I would not be able to. However, if I buy the manufacturers glasses and have say a PS3 hooked up to it, the 3D would work I would imagine since the 3D goes through the console. Again, maybe I am wrong and I am looking at this incorrectly. If so, let me know! Thanks again in advance to anyone who can help.
[quote name='STierney' date='31 January 2012 - 09:29 AM' timestamp='1328023755' post='1363050']

Situation:

I have been researching all kinds of information/forums about 3D gaming and entertainment. For some reason I can not understand a few concepts behind it. I was originally going with the Optoma GT700 but now I am leaning more towards the Optoma GT750E because it has the extra HDMI port, VESA, and also has HDMI 1.4 so if I wanted to connect a PS3 or Xbox 360, I could use the 3D for them. I have an Nvidia EVGA Gefore GTS450. I would also like to watch 3D Blurays through my HTPC.



Now for the Questions:

1. From what I understand, I will not be able to use the 3D Vision glasses for 3D gaming with gaming consoles/3D television. I would have to use separate DLP glasses. I am primarily using it for 3D PC gaming so if I can't use the 3D Vision glasses, that is no big deal and I'll probably go with the cheaper Optoma GT700 projector and upgrade in the future for a 3D 1080p projector (when they become cheaper).



2. I usually use DVI connections for my monitor, but since the projector has HDMI, would I be better off using the mini-HDMI on the video card and using the HDMI on the projector instead? I would have to buy an adapter for either solution regardless because this projector only has VGA not DVI and I would need a mini-HDMI adapter for the video card. If I go for the cheaper one, I would prefer to use the VGA since I will have the cable box hooked up via HDMI (getting a receiver at some point but not right away)



3. What does the VESA port do? From what I understand, it allows emitters to be connected to the projector which I would think allow the emitter that comes with the kit to be used.



4. I have searched a few forums and people have said that this projector will work with 3D vision with a few tweaks. On the Nvidia website however, it only has the Optoma GT750 listed, not the GT700 or GT750E. I am quite certain I can get it to work but want to be sure.



-I may be wrong about a lot of this, if not all of it but I am trying to grasp the concept of all of it before I make a big purchase.



Thanks in advance for the help.





According to this table it seems to me that I can not use the 3D Vision glasses with the Optoma GT750E because it is HDMI 1.4 so therefore I would have to buy the manufacturers glasses instead and also purchase 3DTV Play? If that is so, then I should be able to use the manufacturers glasses to play at least PC games and watch Blu Ray. Would I be able to play 3D console games and watch 3D cable television through the projector? I wouldn't think so because the 3D comes from the video card and since those are not connected to it that I would not be able to. However, if I buy the manufacturers glasses and have say a PS3 hooked up to it, the 3D would work I would imagine since the 3D goes through the console. Again, maybe I am wrong and I am looking at this incorrectly. If so, let me know! Thanks again in advance to anyone who can help.

Build:
Case: Thermaltake Chaser MK-I
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-G1.Sniper Z97 LGA 1150 Intel Z97
RAM: 16GB GSkill Sniper 1866
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 780 GHz Edition x2
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 (with water cooling)
Power Supply: Corsair TX850W 80% energy efficient power supply
SSD: Seagate 240GB (OS and most played games)
HDD: Toshiba 3TB 7200RPM (Games)
Monitors: Acer H6 Series H226HQLbid Black 21.5" 5ms x3 & 24" Hanns-G Touchscreen (accessory)

#2
Posted 01/31/2012 05:48 PM   
Look at it as if you had no computer at all. Assuming it's a 3D capable projector, then as long as the source you hook up to it puts out a compatible 3D format, you should be able to watch in 3D with the TV manufacturesr's glasses.
As far as the PC goes, you are correct in that you don't need 3D Vision. 3DTV Play will work fine for you as your projector is not 1080p. Are you certain your card did not originally come with a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable? My card did, so search around in that box where you keep all those extra cables, it might be in there.
Look at it as if you had no computer at all. Assuming it's a 3D capable projector, then as long as the source you hook up to it puts out a compatible 3D format, you should be able to watch in 3D with the TV manufacturesr's glasses.

As far as the PC goes, you are correct in that you don't need 3D Vision. 3DTV Play will work fine for you as your projector is not 1080p. Are you certain your card did not originally come with a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable? My card did, so search around in that box where you keep all those extra cables, it might be in there.

#3
Posted 02/01/2012 12:32 AM   
[quote name='Bobeggy' date='31 January 2012 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1328056334' post='1363367']
As far as the PC goes, you are correct in that you don't need 3D Vision. 3DTV Play will work fine for you as your projector is not 1080p.
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3D Vision allows alternative superior 3D modes, 3DTV Play forces you into framepacking. So yeah, you need 3D Vision if you have a checkerboard/frame sequential capable monitor which most projectors are.
[quote name='Bobeggy' date='31 January 2012 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1328056334' post='1363367']

As far as the PC goes, you are correct in that you don't need 3D Vision. 3DTV Play will work fine for you as your projector is not 1080p.



3D Vision allows alternative superior 3D modes, 3DTV Play forces you into framepacking. So yeah, you need 3D Vision if you have a checkerboard/frame sequential capable monitor which most projectors are.

#4
Posted 02/01/2012 03:13 AM   
Just curious Roller. Since he will be running in 720p anyway, is there really a reason to spend the money on 3D Vision? I thought frame packing was lossless and at 720p x 60hz should actually have a slightly better picture than SBS or checkerboard, no?
Just curious Roller. Since he will be running in 720p anyway, is there really a reason to spend the money on 3D Vision? I thought frame packing was lossless and at 720p x 60hz should actually have a slightly better picture than SBS or checkerboard, no?

#5
Posted 02/02/2012 12:28 AM   
[quote name='Bobeggy' date='01 February 2012 - 05:28 PM' timestamp='1328142502' post='1363882']
Just curious Roller. Since he will be running in 720p anyway, is there really a reason to spend the money on 3D Vision? I thought frame packing was lossless and at 720p x 60hz should actually have a slightly better picture than SBS or checkerboard, no?
[/quote]
The problem with Framepacking is not the resolution, it's the way pixels are processed. FP is optimized strictly for broadcast video at the expense of PC Graphics. So when a game is launched in FP, the TV is taken out of PC graphics mode and forced into video processing same as a news broadcast. I have done a lot of 1080P (aka 2x 1920x1080) testing in frame sequential vs framepacking. Even though FP abd FS are the same res, Frame sequential looks very different (much better) than framepacking due to the different pixel processing of these two modes. Proves once again that there are other factors besides resolution that significantly affect picture quality.
[quote name='Bobeggy' date='01 February 2012 - 05:28 PM' timestamp='1328142502' post='1363882']

Just curious Roller. Since he will be running in 720p anyway, is there really a reason to spend the money on 3D Vision? I thought frame packing was lossless and at 720p x 60hz should actually have a slightly better picture than SBS or checkerboard, no?



The problem with Framepacking is not the resolution, it's the way pixels are processed. FP is optimized strictly for broadcast video at the expense of PC Graphics. So when a game is launched in FP, the TV is taken out of PC graphics mode and forced into video processing same as a news broadcast. I have done a lot of 1080P (aka 2x 1920x1080) testing in frame sequential vs framepacking. Even though FP abd FS are the same res, Frame sequential looks very different (much better) than framepacking due to the different pixel processing of these two modes. Proves once again that there are other factors besides resolution that significantly affect picture quality.

#6
Posted 02/02/2012 04:08 AM   
[quote name='Bobeggy' date='31 January 2012 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1328056334' post='1363367']
Look at it as if you had no computer at all. Assuming it's a 3D capable projector, then as long as the source you hook up to it puts out a compatible 3D format, you should be able to watch in 3D with the TV manufacturesr's glasses.
As far as the PC goes, you are correct in that you don't need 3D Vision. 3DTV Play will work fine for you as your projector is not 1080p. Are you certain your card did not originally come with a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable? My card did, so search around in that box where you keep all those extra cables, it might be in there.
[/quote]

I am pretty sure it didnt come with one but I will double check to be sure. The adapters don't cost much so it wouldn't be a problem.

[quote name='roller11' date='31 January 2012 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1328066038' post='1363435']
3D Vision allows alternative superior 3D modes, 3DTV Play forces you into framepacking. So yeah, you need 3D Vision if you have a checkerboard/frame sequential capable monitor which most projectors are.
[/quote]

So if possible. try to get the 3D Vision Kit? I am still contemplating between the Optoma GT700 and the GT750E. Doubt I would play console games on it so I might stick with the GT700 for now and upgrade later when they become cheaper.
[quote name='Bobeggy' date='31 January 2012 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1328056334' post='1363367']

Look at it as if you had no computer at all. Assuming it's a 3D capable projector, then as long as the source you hook up to it puts out a compatible 3D format, you should be able to watch in 3D with the TV manufacturesr's glasses.

As far as the PC goes, you are correct in that you don't need 3D Vision. 3DTV Play will work fine for you as your projector is not 1080p. Are you certain your card did not originally come with a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable? My card did, so search around in that box where you keep all those extra cables, it might be in there.





I am pretty sure it didnt come with one but I will double check to be sure. The adapters don't cost much so it wouldn't be a problem.



[quote name='roller11' date='31 January 2012 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1328066038' post='1363435']

3D Vision allows alternative superior 3D modes, 3DTV Play forces you into framepacking. So yeah, you need 3D Vision if you have a checkerboard/frame sequential capable monitor which most projectors are.





So if possible. try to get the 3D Vision Kit? I am still contemplating between the Optoma GT700 and the GT750E. Doubt I would play console games on it so I might stick with the GT700 for now and upgrade later when they become cheaper.

Build:
Case: Thermaltake Chaser MK-I
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-G1.Sniper Z97 LGA 1150 Intel Z97
RAM: 16GB GSkill Sniper 1866
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 780 GHz Edition x2
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell Quad-Core 4.0GHz LGA 1150 (with water cooling)
Power Supply: Corsair TX850W 80% energy efficient power supply
SSD: Seagate 240GB (OS and most played games)
HDD: Toshiba 3TB 7200RPM (Games)
Monitors: Acer H6 Series H226HQLbid Black 21.5" 5ms x3 & 24" Hanns-G Touchscreen (accessory)

#7
Posted 02/02/2012 07:16 PM   
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