I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
Should of posted your results in his thread. I do not use roller mod, I use a 720p projector.
You keep making it seem like he is tricking people into using the software lol. Like he is profiting off it. Many people use and enjoy it. You wonder why people will get mad about what you are saying but no offense it doesnt seem like you have a clue. You burn your bridges when you start a hate thread then ask for help.
Should of posted your results in his thread. I do not use roller mod, I use a 720p projector.
You keep making it seem like he is tricking people into using the software lol. Like he is profiting off it. Many people use and enjoy it. You wonder why people will get mad about what you are saying but no offense it doesnt seem like you have a clue. You burn your bridges when you start a hate thread then ask for help.
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Number 2 just sounds like a software/OS issue. I never had a problem uninstalling it.
What the mod does for me is allow Checkerboard support and allows 1080 gaming @ 30hz, rather than the 3dtv play 24Hz limitation.
I don't know where you got any of the other information from, but it sounds like you were under a misconception as to what the mod can and can't do. Issuing a 'Warning' is overreacting in my opinion.
Number 2 just sounds like a software/OS issue. I never had a problem uninstalling it.
What the mod does for me is allow Checkerboard support and allows 1080 gaming @ 30hz, rather than the 3dtv play 24Hz limitation.
I don't know where you got any of the other information from, but it sounds like you were under a misconception as to what the mod can and can't do. Issuing a 'Warning' is overreacting in my opinion.
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[quote name='dzlvs8' date='24 January 2012 - 07:58 AM' timestamp='1327417080' post='1359958']
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
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This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=200925
[quote name='dzlvs8' date='24 January 2012 - 07:58 AM' timestamp='1327417080' post='1359958']
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
[quote name='roller11' date='24 January 2012 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1327423170' post='1359979']
This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=200925
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I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
[quote name='roller11' date='24 January 2012 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1327423170' post='1359979']
This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
[quote name='dzlvs8' date='24 January 2012 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1327417080' post='1359958']
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
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First off, Rollermod is the name of the EDID override he made it. His nickname here is Roller, not Rollermod, LOL!!!!!!!!
Second, you are saying a lot of BS. There's no 720p resolution you're getting with Rollermod. It's Checkerboard and it's half resolution per eye, there's nothing blurry about it. I've been using it for over a year and never had any of these strange blury issues you're having. I won't explain what 's half resolution per eye, someone here more skilled than me could teach you that. It's not the same thing as 720p. It's native resolution, please make some sense, you're definatellt not making any sense at all.
Another thing, Rollermod was created so you can actually take advantage of playing games in 1080p native resolution and still have 60fps needed for gaming. Why do you care about playing in other resolutions, if not your TV native one??? Who cares about 1680x1050, 1440x900 or even 720p. If you like lower resolution, please be free and use 3DTV Play, you will get 720p60hz and full resolution per eye since you think CB 1080p60hz is like 1280x720. So use 3DTV Play and play games in this awesome resolution.
I think and my eyes tell me that CB 1080p60hz looks much better than FP 720p60hz, despite of half resolution per eye. Many think like me, but whatever...
You should have made a backup of yours TV original EDID, before applying Rollermod, that's common sense. So you could be happy and go back to amazing 3DTV Play and HDMI 1.4 standards.
I'm sure Roller can figure out a way of helping you out with this.
Serious, I don't get this blurry iamge you're saying about, honestly??? Just don't compare full resolution vs half resolution cause full will have better quality always. But what's any good if you can only get 720p60hz full resolution per eye.
Also, don't discourage people just because you had some issues, don't make your problems the truth about Rollermod. It's really not like that.
You can also choose Generic CRT mode and play at full resolution per eye 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye using Rollermod. This mode is true 1902x1080p per eye and you can play quite a few games at 30fps. Do you also see bluried image using Generic CRT mode???
Dude, you were so noobie about your comments, that no one will take your seriously, really. Do some research...
[quote name='dzlvs8' date='24 January 2012 - 02:58 PM' timestamp='1327417080' post='1359958']
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
First off, Rollermod is the name of the EDID override he made it. His nickname here is Roller, not Rollermod, LOL!!!!!!!!
Second, you are saying a lot of BS. There's no 720p resolution you're getting with Rollermod. It's Checkerboard and it's half resolution per eye, there's nothing blurry about it. I've been using it for over a year and never had any of these strange blury issues you're having. I won't explain what 's half resolution per eye, someone here more skilled than me could teach you that. It's not the same thing as 720p. It's native resolution, please make some sense, you're definatellt not making any sense at all.
Another thing, Rollermod was created so you can actually take advantage of playing games in 1080p native resolution and still have 60fps needed for gaming. Why do you care about playing in other resolutions, if not your TV native one??? Who cares about 1680x1050, 1440x900 or even 720p. If you like lower resolution, please be free and use 3DTV Play, you will get 720p60hz and full resolution per eye since you think CB 1080p60hz is like 1280x720. So use 3DTV Play and play games in this awesome resolution.
I think and my eyes tell me that CB 1080p60hz looks much better than FP 720p60hz, despite of half resolution per eye. Many think like me, but whatever...
You should have made a backup of yours TV original EDID, before applying Rollermod, that's common sense. So you could be happy and go back to amazing 3DTV Play and HDMI 1.4 standards.
I'm sure Roller can figure out a way of helping you out with this.
Serious, I don't get this blurry iamge you're saying about, honestly??? Just don't compare full resolution vs half resolution cause full will have better quality always. But what's any good if you can only get 720p60hz full resolution per eye.
Also, don't discourage people just because you had some issues, don't make your problems the truth about Rollermod. It's really not like that.
You can also choose Generic CRT mode and play at full resolution per eye 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye using Rollermod. This mode is true 1902x1080p per eye and you can play quite a few games at 30fps. Do you also see bluried image using Generic CRT mode???
Dude, you were so noobie about your comments, that no one will take your seriously, really. Do some research...
Cheers and cool down...
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Roller is very very helpful. But he is misleading people to think they will get a crisp 1920x1080 image.
The person who said that the signal is 1920x1080 at 30fps, you should probably stop making things up as you go along. Thats not whats happening at all. How about some facts. ???? The rollermod isnt an improvement from 24hz to 30hz at 1080. Maybe if I say this differently I wont get so many ignorant comments.
Here is a copied portion of our conversation which explains what you are actually seeing. This explains the blurriness caused from seeing the 1920x1080 image sent through a signal of lesser quality.
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QUOTE FROM ME: "Other than that, I am now smart enough to know that you cant send a 1080p signal to a tv via hdmi 1.4 at any more than 24hz. So what you are telling everyone that your mod does would defy these laws."
QUOTE FROM ROLLER11: "One can send a 1920x1080 resolution signal at 60 fps, this is checkerboard mode. One cannot send a 1920x1080 signal at 120 Hz. The key is understanding what a "frame" is and the relationship between vertcal refresh and frame composition. One frame = one left image and one right image. [b]Each image is 960x1080 [/b][size="4"][/size]in a complimentary checkerboard pattern. Two refresh cycles = one frame which is 1920x1080. Since all pixels are one to one mapped, it is native resolution. People in the forum who have no technical knowledge think the pixels are 1 to 2 mapped which explains why the ignorant people say checkerboard is not native resolution.
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I'll say it again for all the previous commentor that are noobs or don't know what they are really talking about. When you take an image that is 1920x1080 and squish it to something less with out any upconverting that is done on a fancy tv, you are left with a blurry image. There is no 1 to 1 pixel mapping when a higher res image is squished into less pixels. If you send a 1280x720 signal to your 1080 tv, it upconverts the signal and makes it look better.
What you gain with the mod is a bigger viewing area. Nothing else. You loose fidelity. 1280x720 crisp with jaggies or 960X1080 blurry all over the place????? You decide. Bottom line, the rollermod is not what you think it is. It is not 1920x1080 3D at 60hz. It is not 1920x1080 at 30Hz. There's your learnin' for the day. Your welcome in advance to anyone who was thinking of trying out the mod an expecting something different.
[b]1. Like I said, Rollermod is extremely helpful and his mod obviously helps some people get what they want (or something close to it). But he leaves out some important details and misleads people about the res. you get. [/b] Like I said, I think he likes his notariety and tries to get as many people as possible to use his mod. I told him in three separate emails that the image looks blurry and not until the third time I told him, did finally admit that the image was not full 1920x1080 resolution. Also, guess what, you know how you think you need to buy the top of the line samsung because you think you need checkboard mode to play games in full HD, oh yeah, thats also not true. Full HD 3D gaming is not possible via HDMI in anyway. This is another huge misconception that this board seems to have.
Roller is very very helpful. But he is misleading people to think they will get a crisp 1920x1080 image.
The person who said that the signal is 1920x1080 at 30fps, you should probably stop making things up as you go along. Thats not whats happening at all. How about some facts. ???? The rollermod isnt an improvement from 24hz to 30hz at 1080. Maybe if I say this differently I wont get so many ignorant comments.
Here is a copied portion of our conversation which explains what you are actually seeing. This explains the blurriness caused from seeing the 1920x1080 image sent through a signal of lesser quality.
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QUOTE FROM ME: "Other than that, I am now smart enough to know that you cant send a 1080p signal to a tv via hdmi 1.4 at any more than 24hz. So what you are telling everyone that your mod does would defy these laws."
QUOTE FROM ROLLER11: "One can send a 1920x1080 resolution signal at 60 fps, this is checkerboard mode. One cannot send a 1920x1080 signal at 120 Hz. The key is understanding what a "frame" is and the relationship between vertcal refresh and frame composition. One frame = one left image and one right image. Each image is 960x1080 in a complimentary checkerboard pattern. Two refresh cycles = one frame which is 1920x1080. Since all pixels are one to one mapped, it is native resolution. People in the forum who have no technical knowledge think the pixels are 1 to 2 mapped which explains why the ignorant people say checkerboard is not native resolution.
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I'll say it again for all the previous commentor that are noobs or don't know what they are really talking about. When you take an image that is 1920x1080 and squish it to something less with out any upconverting that is done on a fancy tv, you are left with a blurry image. There is no 1 to 1 pixel mapping when a higher res image is squished into less pixels. If you send a 1280x720 signal to your 1080 tv, it upconverts the signal and makes it look better.
What you gain with the mod is a bigger viewing area. Nothing else. You loose fidelity. 1280x720 crisp with jaggies or 960X1080 blurry all over the place????? You decide. Bottom line, the rollermod is not what you think it is. It is not 1920x1080 3D at 60hz. It is not 1920x1080 at 30Hz. There's your learnin' for the day. Your welcome in advance to anyone who was thinking of trying out the mod an expecting something different.
1. Like I said, Rollermod is extremely helpful and his mod obviously helps some people get what they want (or something close to it). But he leaves out some important details and misleads people about the res. you get. Like I said, I think he likes his notariety and tries to get as many people as possible to use his mod. I told him in three separate emails that the image looks blurry and not until the third time I told him, did finally admit that the image was not full 1920x1080 resolution. Also, guess what, you know how you think you need to buy the top of the line samsung because you think you need checkboard mode to play games in full HD, oh yeah, thats also not true. Full HD 3D gaming is not possible via HDMI in anyway. This is another huge misconception that this board seems to have.
[quote name='churnobull' date='24 January 2012 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1327425399' post='1359992']
I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
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Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
[quote name='churnobull' date='24 January 2012 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1327425399' post='1359992']
I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
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Thanks Franco, eqzitara, rustyk and Churnobull for the endorsement. dzlvs8's response proves he lacks the technical skill to grasp any explanation. He thinks that I wrote a checkerboard mode conversion program, and I mapped each image pixel to two pixels on the screen (1 to 2 mapped). This is absurd, but he thinks it none the less. If I could create a CB mode program from scratch, I would create a SBS mode program and give it away for free (like I do with rollermod)so that panasonic, sony, toshiba, sharp, vizio, LG folks could game in native resolution just as the samsung people do in CB mode.
Franco...
I have a rollermod_reset file that will reinstall the original EDID so that the user will no longer be under 3D Vision. Anyone who wants it can PM me.
Thanks Franco, eqzitara, rustyk and Churnobull for the endorsement. dzlvs8's response proves he lacks the technical skill to grasp any explanation. He thinks that I wrote a checkerboard mode conversion program, and I mapped each image pixel to two pixels on the screen (1 to 2 mapped). This is absurd, but he thinks it none the less. If I could create a CB mode program from scratch, I would create a SBS mode program and give it away for free (like I do with rollermod)so that panasonic, sony, toshiba, sharp, vizio, LG folks could game in native resolution just as the samsung people do in CB mode.
Franco...
I have a rollermod_reset file that will reinstall the original EDID so that the user will no longer be under 3D Vision. Anyone who wants it can PM me.
dzlvs8, please don't make a fool out of yourself, try to understand the technical details, do some research. You're not making sense at all. Understand and have the humility to admit that you don't know how 3D technology work, try to learn something. Stop acting like you know more than us, you are wrong. I won't write a big text to explain you the differences since Roller has stated that you don't want to learn the facts.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
dzlvs8, please don't make a fool out of yourself, try to understand the technical details, do some research. You're not making sense at all. Understand and have the humility to admit that you don't know how 3D technology work, try to learn something. Stop acting like you know more than us, you are wrong. I won't write a big text to explain you the differences since Roller has stated that you don't want to learn the facts.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
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[quote name='francomg' date='24 January 2012 - 02:14 PM' timestamp='1327428897' post='1360010']
Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
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Thanks bunches franco, but I have been in touch w/roller already and he has said he will send it to me. I will let you know if I still need it after I talk to him again. Once again, thanks.
[quote name='francomg' date='24 January 2012 - 02:14 PM' timestamp='1327428897' post='1360010']
Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
Thanks bunches franco, but I have been in touch w/roller already and he has said he will send it to me. I will let you know if I still need it after I talk to him again. Once again, thanks.
[quote name='francomg' date='24 January 2012 - 01:40 PM' timestamp='1327430409' post='1360018']
dzlvs8, please don't make a fool out of yourself, try to understand the technical details, do some research. You're not making sense at all. Understand and have the humility to admit that you don't know how 3D technology work, try to learn something. Stop acting like you know more than us, you are wrong. I won't write a big text to explain you the differences since Roller has stated that you don't want to learn the facts.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
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you are cramming a 1920x1080 frame into a 960x1080 space in an unprocessed/raw way. You are not viewing games at 1920x1080, which is full hd. with 3dtv play you get 1280x720 PER EYE. With CBoard and roller mod you get 960x1080 PER EYE.
You have an image that is 1920 pixels wide that is being viewed with only 960 pixels. Its like watching a blu ray disc on a CRT television from the 1985 (but not as bad, obviously).
Are you seriously not understanding this yet. i know the truth is hard to understand.
[quote name='francomg' date='24 January 2012 - 01:40 PM' timestamp='1327430409' post='1360018']
dzlvs8, please don't make a fool out of yourself, try to understand the technical details, do some research. You're not making sense at all. Understand and have the humility to admit that you don't know how 3D technology work, try to learn something. Stop acting like you know more than us, you are wrong. I won't write a big text to explain you the differences since Roller has stated that you don't want to learn the facts.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
you are cramming a 1920x1080 frame into a 960x1080 space in an unprocessed/raw way. You are not viewing games at 1920x1080, which is full hd. with 3dtv play you get 1280x720 PER EYE. With CBoard and roller mod you get 960x1080 PER EYE.
You have an image that is 1920 pixels wide that is being viewed with only 960 pixels. Its like watching a blu ray disc on a CRT television from the 1985 (but not as bad, obviously).
Are you seriously not understanding this yet. i know the truth is hard to understand.
[quote name='dzlvs8' date='24 January 2012 - 02:01 PM' timestamp='1327438893' post='1360066']
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You lost all credibility when you told us 1080P is 1280x720.
Better to remain silent and have people wonder if you're ignorant than to go on a rant and remove all doubt.
You don't like it? DONT USE IT. Noone is forcing you. I dont not use rollermod but do you honestly think you are the messiah or something and that everyone before you has been tricked? Certain displays benefit more from it more then others(I guess it has to do with pixel distance). Do you honestly think people have tried the other display modes and couldn't tell the difference and mysteriously thought Roller's 1080i mode was better? That they are sacrificing FPS to play in 1080 resolution over 720? MAYB....JUST MAYB you don't know what you are talking about.
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Even in pixels it is more.
1,000,000 pixels in rollermod 1080mode
900,000 pixels in 720p mode
From how I can explain it.
720p is 2 overlapping images(pixel inefficient)
1080 checker board is two seperate images giving the optical illusion of one solid image. http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/4/4e/4e6c6be0_dlpchecker.jpg (pixel efficient)
This can look much better or much worse depending on display(pixel distance) and viewing distance(screen door effect).Just because you have one display and it doesn't look as good(though I think you did something wrong). Doesnt make it true for all displays.
Though I hear that lcd/plasma doesn't have screendoor effect. Just dlp.
I am not the most knowledgeable on this subject. However I am always willing to learn and admit mistakes. Technology is always changing. Maybe you should just admit you don't know as much as you think you do.
You don't like it? DONT USE IT. Noone is forcing you. I dont not use rollermod but do you honestly think you are the messiah or something and that everyone before you has been tricked? Certain displays benefit more from it more then others(I guess it has to do with pixel distance). Do you honestly think people have tried the other display modes and couldn't tell the difference and mysteriously thought Roller's 1080i mode was better? That they are sacrificing FPS to play in 1080 resolution over 720? MAYB....JUST MAYB you don't know what you are talking about.
This can look much better or much worse depending on display(pixel distance) and viewing distance(screen door effect).Just because you have one display and it doesn't look as good(though I think you did something wrong). Doesnt make it true for all displays.
Though I hear that lcd/plasma doesn't have screendoor effect. Just dlp.
I am not the most knowledgeable on this subject. However I am always willing to learn and admit mistakes. Technology is always changing. Maybe you should just admit you don't know as much as you think you do.
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As the person who has initially discovered the ability of the Samsung HDTVs to accept checkerboard and frame sequental 3D input and helped Roller with his mod I would like to clarify some things:
All that Rollermod (which is actually an EDID override) does is to allow access to some 3D modes of the nVidia driver that otherwise would not be offered if a HDMI 1.4 HDTV is connected, namely 'checkerboard' and 'Generic CRT'. It does that by making the driver think that a HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV is connected so that 3DTV Play does not step in, which would limit the stereo output to either 720p@60Hz or 1080p@24Hz frame packing modes.
The problem with 3DTV Play 720p (1280x720) resolution is that most modern HDTVs have a native resolution of 1920x1080 pixels. Its well known that displays with a fixed matrix (like plasma and LCD) offer the best image quality when the video signal has the same resolution as the display matrix and the display does a 1:1 pixel mapping. For all other resolutions the image must be up/downscaled and will get some degree of blurryness.
The problem with the 3DTV Play 1080p resolution is that only 24Hz are offered, because it was meant for blurays and not for gaming. Only a few games are playable with 24Hz, so it is generally not useable.
The two 3D Vision modes available through rollermod are both superior to what 3DTV Play has to offer currently:
Generic CRT is frame sequential and at least some Samsung HDTV do support this mode. Since the current HDMI specification allows for 60Hz at full HD it is possible to get 30 frames per eye, which is a lot (25%) better than the 24Hz offered by 3DTV Play.
Btw the HDTV actually outputs every frame twice (to get 60Hz per eye or 120Hz total) or there would be a visible aweful flickering.
Checkerboard is a bit harder to explain. Actually the 3D driver sends 60 frames per second in full HD, but every frame combines the pixels for both eyes. All even pixels are for the one eye and all odd pixels for the other. The HDTV then splits every frame in the 2 views for the left and right eye and outputs it with 60 * 2 = 120Hz (or 60Hz per eye).
Since every second pixel is missing in a partial view the HDTV has to interpolate that pixels based on the surrounding ones, but the beslissend fact is that all delivered pixels can still be mapped 1:1 to the display matrix. That is the reason why a 1080p checkerboard image looks much better on a 1920x1080 dislay than an upscaled 720p signal and may be indistinguishable from a true full HD 3D signal.
As the person who has initially discovered the ability of the Samsung HDTVs to accept checkerboard and frame sequental 3D input and helped Roller with his mod I would like to clarify some things:
All that Rollermod (which is actually an EDID override) does is to allow access to some 3D modes of the nVidia driver that otherwise would not be offered if a HDMI 1.4 HDTV is connected, namely 'checkerboard' and 'Generic CRT'. It does that by making the driver think that a HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV is connected so that 3DTV Play does not step in, which would limit the stereo output to either 720p@60Hz or 1080p@24Hz frame packing modes.
The problem with 3DTV Play 720p (1280x720) resolution is that most modern HDTVs have a native resolution of 1920x1080 pixels. Its well known that displays with a fixed matrix (like plasma and LCD) offer the best image quality when the video signal has the same resolution as the display matrix and the display does a 1:1 pixel mapping. For all other resolutions the image must be up/downscaled and will get some degree of blurryness.
The problem with the 3DTV Play 1080p resolution is that only 24Hz are offered, because it was meant for blurays and not for gaming. Only a few games are playable with 24Hz, so it is generally not useable.
The two 3D Vision modes available through rollermod are both superior to what 3DTV Play has to offer currently:
Generic CRT is frame sequential and at least some Samsung HDTV do support this mode. Since the current HDMI specification allows for 60Hz at full HD it is possible to get 30 frames per eye, which is a lot (25%) better than the 24Hz offered by 3DTV Play.
Btw the HDTV actually outputs every frame twice (to get 60Hz per eye or 120Hz total) or there would be a visible aweful flickering.
Checkerboard is a bit harder to explain. Actually the 3D driver sends 60 frames per second in full HD, but every frame combines the pixels for both eyes. All even pixels are for the one eye and all odd pixels for the other. The HDTV then splits every frame in the 2 views for the left and right eye and outputs it with 60 * 2 = 120Hz (or 60Hz per eye).
Since every second pixel is missing in a partial view the HDTV has to interpolate that pixels based on the surrounding ones, but the beslissend fact is that all delivered pixels can still be mapped 1:1 to the display matrix. That is the reason why a 1080p checkerboard image looks much better on a 1920x1080 dislay than an upscaled 720p signal and may be indistinguishable from a true full HD 3D signal.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
You keep making it seem like he is tricking people into using the software lol. Like he is profiting off it. Many people use and enjoy it. You wonder why people will get mad about what you are saying but no offense it doesnt seem like you have a clue. You burn your bridges when you start a hate thread then ask for help.
You keep making it seem like he is tricking people into using the software lol. Like he is profiting off it. Many people use and enjoy it. You wonder why people will get mad about what you are saying but no offense it doesnt seem like you have a clue. You burn your bridges when you start a hate thread then ask for help.
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What the mod does for me is allow Checkerboard support and allows 1080 gaming @ 30hz, rather than the 3dtv play 24Hz limitation.
I don't know where you got any of the other information from, but it sounds like you were under a misconception as to what the mod can and can't do. Issuing a 'Warning' is overreacting in my opinion.
What the mod does for me is allow Checkerboard support and allows 1080 gaming @ 30hz, rather than the 3dtv play 24Hz limitation.
I don't know where you got any of the other information from, but it sounds like you were under a misconception as to what the mod can and can't do. Issuing a 'Warning' is overreacting in my opinion.
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I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
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This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=200925
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=200925
This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=200925
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I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
This response is not for dzlvs8 or the hundreds of people using rollermod with no problems whatsoever. This is for the noobies who might be influenced by this post, people who don't know any better and might actually give dzlvs8's rant some credibility.
dzlvs8 thinks that rollermod is a program that creates a checkerboard image. I tried to explain to him that rollermod does only one thing, it forces all nvidia drivers to give access to 3D Vision. What happens after 3D Vision appears in the control panel has absolutely nothing to do with rollermod, rollermod out of the equation, it has no effect on anything. The fact that others are not reporting "blurry images" with rollermod did not seem to impress him.
dzlvs8 problem is simple, he failed to successfully complete the set up wizard. This failure 100% explains his problem. If you don't run the set up wizard then it's impossible for any mode, CB, FS, FP, anaglyph.... what have you...to work correctly. I repeatedly told him to debug this problem, but he ignored every request to do so.
dzlvs8's appauling lack of technical knowledge isn't so bad (see his claim that a 1080P image is 1280x720), but he's unwilling to follow my instructions in PM to resolve his issue. Had he followed my instructions, he would be gaming in CB mode right now just as hundreds of others are.
For the noobies, see this thread written by independent, unbiased third parties for the truth, it's entitled "rollermod rules!!!!!!":
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=200925
I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
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First off, Rollermod is the name of the EDID override he made it. His nickname here is Roller, not Rollermod, LOL!!!!!!!!
Second, you are saying a lot of BS. There's no 720p resolution you're getting with Rollermod. It's Checkerboard and it's half resolution per eye, there's nothing blurry about it. I've been using it for over a year and never had any of these strange blury issues you're having. I won't explain what 's half resolution per eye, someone here more skilled than me could teach you that. It's not the same thing as 720p. It's native resolution, please make some sense, you're definatellt not making any sense at all.
Another thing, Rollermod was created so you can actually take advantage of playing games in 1080p native resolution and still have 60fps needed for gaming. Why do you care about playing in other resolutions, if not your TV native one??? Who cares about 1680x1050, 1440x900 or even 720p. If you like lower resolution, please be free and use 3DTV Play, you will get 720p60hz and full resolution per eye since you think CB 1080p60hz is like 1280x720. So use 3DTV Play and play games in this awesome resolution.
I think and my eyes tell me that CB 1080p60hz looks much better than FP 720p60hz, despite of half resolution per eye. Many think like me, but whatever...
You should have made a backup of yours TV original EDID, before applying Rollermod, that's common sense. So you could be happy and go back to amazing 3DTV Play and HDMI 1.4 standards.
I'm sure Roller can figure out a way of helping you out with this.
Serious, I don't get this blurry iamge you're saying about, honestly??? Just don't compare full resolution vs half resolution cause full will have better quality always. But what's any good if you can only get 720p60hz full resolution per eye.
Also, don't discourage people just because you had some issues, don't make your problems the truth about Rollermod. It's really not like that.
You can also choose Generic CRT mode and play at full resolution per eye 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye using Rollermod. This mode is true 1902x1080p per eye and you can play quite a few games at 30fps. Do you also see bluried image using Generic CRT mode???
Dude, you were so noobie about your comments, that no one will take your seriously, really. Do some research...
Cheers and cool down...
Franco
I thought I should write this up for anyone that is thinking of installing the rollermod file from rollermod. First off, rollermod is very very helpful and will basically do anything to get you to use his mod. But other than that, here are some problems that I have identified that make me 100% regret installing his mod. I know I will probably get a bunch of people yelling at me saying that what I have wrote below is wrong. I'd love to be wrong, but at this point, these are my results. Please provide any suggestions that you may have to correct any of these issues. Thanks.
1. No matter what way rollermod tries to spin it, you are not playing games in 1080 3d via an HDMI cable. It is not possible no matter what rollermod says. FACT: You can not send a 1920x1080 image via a 1.4 3d HDMI cable in 3D Yes, the games will be in 1080 mode but the resolution being sent to the tv is actually 1280x720. No matter how I went about using the rollermod, games were blurry. It was a 1080 SIZED picture in a window that was only displaying at 720 resolution. This is the trick he uses to make you think you are looking at something in 1080. Image quality is worse using the rollermod than when just playing in 720p. While you wont have any 720p jaggies, you instead get just a really blurry image.
2. You risk losing ingame control of 3d depth via the F3 and F2 buttons. While having the rollermod installed and even after fully unistalling the mod and all video drivers I can no longer control 3d depth fia the F3 and F2 buttons. I have found no way to get this back. I know there has to be a way, but I haven't found it yet, and using a driver cleaner and unistalling everything did NOT fix it.
3. If you have any games that don't run well in 1080p 3d (i.e. BF3) well, you're screwed. Rollermod avoids mentioning that when you switch to any other resolution other than 1920x1080, you end up with a windowed game representative of the size of the resolution you command. ....and the image is still blurry.
If have worked with rollermod to correct all of these issues and have even made a video of my installation process and the results and all I have got is an explaination that the mod must be installed wrong even though my video of the installation process shows the mod installing correctly.
FYI I use an ASUS G73 with a 460M card and a D7000 Samsung TV.
First off, Rollermod is the name of the EDID override he made it. His nickname here is Roller, not Rollermod, LOL!!!!!!!!
Second, you are saying a lot of BS. There's no 720p resolution you're getting with Rollermod. It's Checkerboard and it's half resolution per eye, there's nothing blurry about it. I've been using it for over a year and never had any of these strange blury issues you're having. I won't explain what 's half resolution per eye, someone here more skilled than me could teach you that. It's not the same thing as 720p. It's native resolution, please make some sense, you're definatellt not making any sense at all.
Another thing, Rollermod was created so you can actually take advantage of playing games in 1080p native resolution and still have 60fps needed for gaming. Why do you care about playing in other resolutions, if not your TV native one??? Who cares about 1680x1050, 1440x900 or even 720p. If you like lower resolution, please be free and use 3DTV Play, you will get 720p60hz and full resolution per eye since you think CB 1080p60hz is like 1280x720. So use 3DTV Play and play games in this awesome resolution.
I think and my eyes tell me that CB 1080p60hz looks much better than FP 720p60hz, despite of half resolution per eye. Many think like me, but whatever...
You should have made a backup of yours TV original EDID, before applying Rollermod, that's common sense. So you could be happy and go back to amazing 3DTV Play and HDMI 1.4 standards.
I'm sure Roller can figure out a way of helping you out with this.
Serious, I don't get this blurry iamge you're saying about, honestly??? Just don't compare full resolution vs half resolution cause full will have better quality always. But what's any good if you can only get 720p60hz full resolution per eye.
Also, don't discourage people just because you had some issues, don't make your problems the truth about Rollermod. It's really not like that.
You can also choose Generic CRT mode and play at full resolution per eye 1080p60hz = 30fps per eye using Rollermod. This mode is true 1902x1080p per eye and you can play quite a few games at 30fps. Do you also see bluried image using Generic CRT mode???
Dude, you were so noobie about your comments, that no one will take your seriously, really. Do some research...
Cheers and cool down...
Franco
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The person who said that the signal is 1920x1080 at 30fps, you should probably stop making things up as you go along. Thats not whats happening at all. How about some facts. ???? The rollermod isnt an improvement from 24hz to 30hz at 1080. Maybe if I say this differently I wont get so many ignorant comments.
Here is a copied portion of our conversation which explains what you are actually seeing. This explains the blurriness caused from seeing the 1920x1080 image sent through a signal of lesser quality.
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QUOTE FROM ME: "Other than that, I am now smart enough to know that you cant send a 1080p signal to a tv via hdmi 1.4 at any more than 24hz. So what you are telling everyone that your mod does would defy these laws."
QUOTE FROM ROLLER11: "One can send a 1920x1080 resolution signal at 60 fps, this is checkerboard mode. One cannot send a 1920x1080 signal at 120 Hz. The key is understanding what a "frame" is and the relationship between vertcal refresh and frame composition. One frame = one left image and one right image. [b]Each image is 960x1080 [/b][size="4"][/size]in a complimentary checkerboard pattern. Two refresh cycles = one frame which is 1920x1080. Since all pixels are one to one mapped, it is native resolution. People in the forum who have no technical knowledge think the pixels are 1 to 2 mapped which explains why the ignorant people say checkerboard is not native resolution.
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I'll say it again for all the previous commentor that are noobs or don't know what they are really talking about. When you take an image that is 1920x1080 and squish it to something less with out any upconverting that is done on a fancy tv, you are left with a blurry image. There is no 1 to 1 pixel mapping when a higher res image is squished into less pixels. If you send a 1280x720 signal to your 1080 tv, it upconverts the signal and makes it look better.
What you gain with the mod is a bigger viewing area. Nothing else. You loose fidelity. 1280x720 crisp with jaggies or 960X1080 blurry all over the place????? You decide. Bottom line, the rollermod is not what you think it is. It is not 1920x1080 3D at 60hz. It is not 1920x1080 at 30Hz. There's your learnin' for the day. Your welcome in advance to anyone who was thinking of trying out the mod an expecting something different.
[b]1. Like I said, Rollermod is extremely helpful and his mod obviously helps some people get what they want (or something close to it). But he leaves out some important details and misleads people about the res. you get. [/b] Like I said, I think he likes his notariety and tries to get as many people as possible to use his mod. I told him in three separate emails that the image looks blurry and not until the third time I told him, did finally admit that the image was not full 1920x1080 resolution. Also, guess what, you know how you think you need to buy the top of the line samsung because you think you need checkboard mode to play games in full HD, oh yeah, thats also not true. Full HD 3D gaming is not possible via HDMI in anyway. This is another huge misconception that this board seems to have.
The person who said that the signal is 1920x1080 at 30fps, you should probably stop making things up as you go along. Thats not whats happening at all. How about some facts. ???? The rollermod isnt an improvement from 24hz to 30hz at 1080. Maybe if I say this differently I wont get so many ignorant comments.
Here is a copied portion of our conversation which explains what you are actually seeing. This explains the blurriness caused from seeing the 1920x1080 image sent through a signal of lesser quality.
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QUOTE FROM ME: "Other than that, I am now smart enough to know that you cant send a 1080p signal to a tv via hdmi 1.4 at any more than 24hz. So what you are telling everyone that your mod does would defy these laws."
QUOTE FROM ROLLER11: "One can send a 1920x1080 resolution signal at 60 fps, this is checkerboard mode. One cannot send a 1920x1080 signal at 120 Hz. The key is understanding what a "frame" is and the relationship between vertcal refresh and frame composition. One frame = one left image and one right image. Each image is 960x1080 in a complimentary checkerboard pattern. Two refresh cycles = one frame which is 1920x1080. Since all pixels are one to one mapped, it is native resolution. People in the forum who have no technical knowledge think the pixels are 1 to 2 mapped which explains why the ignorant people say checkerboard is not native resolution.
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I'll say it again for all the previous commentor that are noobs or don't know what they are really talking about. When you take an image that is 1920x1080 and squish it to something less with out any upconverting that is done on a fancy tv, you are left with a blurry image. There is no 1 to 1 pixel mapping when a higher res image is squished into less pixels. If you send a 1280x720 signal to your 1080 tv, it upconverts the signal and makes it look better.
What you gain with the mod is a bigger viewing area. Nothing else. You loose fidelity. 1280x720 crisp with jaggies or 960X1080 blurry all over the place????? You decide. Bottom line, the rollermod is not what you think it is. It is not 1920x1080 3D at 60hz. It is not 1920x1080 at 30Hz. There's your learnin' for the day. Your welcome in advance to anyone who was thinking of trying out the mod an expecting something different.
1. Like I said, Rollermod is extremely helpful and his mod obviously helps some people get what they want (or something close to it). But he leaves out some important details and misleads people about the res. you get. Like I said, I think he likes his notariety and tries to get as many people as possible to use his mod. I told him in three separate emails that the image looks blurry and not until the third time I told him, did finally admit that the image was not full 1920x1080 resolution. Also, guess what, you know how you think you need to buy the top of the line samsung because you think you need checkboard mode to play games in full HD, oh yeah, thats also not true. Full HD 3D gaming is not possible via HDMI in anyway. This is another huge misconception that this board seems to have.
I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
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Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
I installed rollermod and had none of the problems he mentioned.
My only problem was that it was the version of rollermod for 1366 X 768 instead of 1920 X 1080. Roller, can you direct me on where to get the most recent download for 1920 X 1080?
Also, I don't like to sound like a dummy, but when it comes to the circuit for suppressing the red message, would it be possible for you to show more
detailed photos-----top, bottom, etc.?
One more thing, does rollermod have an effect on using cyberlink 3d bluray program?
You have provided a great service to all who use this forum, regardless of what this guy says and in spite of his obvious ignorance and inability to follow detailed instructions.
Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
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Franco...
I have a rollermod_reset file that will reinstall the original EDID so that the user will no longer be under 3D Vision. Anyone who wants it can PM me.
Franco...
I have a rollermod_reset file that will reinstall the original EDID so that the user will no longer be under 3D Vision. Anyone who wants it can PM me.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
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Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
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Thanks bunches franco, but I have been in touch w/roller already and he has said he will send it to me. I will let you know if I still need it after I talk to him again. Once again, thanks.
Once I get home I'll send you the modified EDID entitled Rollermod 2 that has 1920x1080 resolution. I'm the one who asked Roller to make this modification. Sucks to have to keep changing resolution.
Thanks bunches franco, but I have been in touch w/roller already and he has said he will send it to me. I will let you know if I still need it after I talk to him again. Once again, thanks.
dzlvs8, please don't make a fool out of yourself, try to understand the technical details, do some research. You're not making sense at all. Understand and have the humility to admit that you don't know how 3D technology work, try to learn something. Stop acting like you know more than us, you are wrong. I won't write a big text to explain you the differences since Roller has stated that you don't want to learn the facts.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
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you are cramming a 1920x1080 frame into a 960x1080 space in an unprocessed/raw way. You are not viewing games at 1920x1080, which is full hd. with 3dtv play you get 1280x720 PER EYE. With CBoard and roller mod you get 960x1080 PER EYE.
You have an image that is 1920 pixels wide that is being viewed with only 960 pixels. Its like watching a blu ray disc on a CRT television from the 1985 (but not as bad, obviously).
Are you seriously not understanding this yet. i know the truth is hard to understand.
dzlvs8, please don't make a fool out of yourself, try to understand the technical details, do some research. You're not making sense at all. Understand and have the humility to admit that you don't know how 3D technology work, try to learn something. Stop acting like you know more than us, you are wrong. I won't write a big text to explain you the differences since Roller has stated that you don't want to learn the facts.
Generic CRT mode is FULL RESOLUTION PER EYE, PERIOD. THE DOWNSIDE IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO 30FPS PER EYE CAUSE 3DTVs HAVE ONLY 60HZ INPUT UNLIKE 3DV DISPLAYS THAT HAVE 120HZ AND DVI-DL. ITS 1080P60HZ = 30FPS, AND IT'S FRAME SEQUENTIAL MODE JUST LIKE USING A 3D VISION READY DISPLAY. ARE YOU GOING TO ARGH ON THAT????
CHECKERBOARD IS HALF RESOLUTION PER EYE, LIKE 960X1080P, BUT IT'S 1080P, NOT 720P. YOU WILL GET 60FPS.
TRY TO MAKE SENSE, SERIOUSLY...
you are cramming a 1920x1080 frame into a 960x1080 space in an unprocessed/raw way. You are not viewing games at 1920x1080, which is full hd. with 3dtv play you get 1280x720 PER EYE. With CBoard and roller mod you get 960x1080 PER EYE.
You have an image that is 1920 pixels wide that is being viewed with only 960 pixels. Its like watching a blu ray disc on a CRT television from the 1985 (but not as bad, obviously).
Are you seriously not understanding this yet. i know the truth is hard to understand.
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You lost all credibility when you told us 1080P is 1280x720.
Better to remain silent and have people wonder if you're ignorant than to go on a rant and remove all doubt.
Take Franco's advice and cut your losses.
You lost all credibility when you told us 1080P is 1280x720.
Better to remain silent and have people wonder if you're ignorant than to go on a rant and remove all doubt.
Take Franco's advice and cut your losses.
You don't like it? DONT USE IT. Noone is forcing you. I dont not use rollermod but do you honestly think you are the messiah or something and that everyone before you has been tricked? Certain displays benefit more from it more then others(I guess it has to do with pixel distance). Do you honestly think people have tried the other display modes and couldn't tell the difference and mysteriously thought Roller's 1080i mode was better? That they are sacrificing FPS to play in 1080 resolution over 720? MAYB....JUST MAYB you don't know what you are talking about.
Jeez.
Even in pixels it is more.
1,000,000 pixels in rollermod 1080mode
900,000 pixels in 720p mode
From how I can explain it.
720p is 2 overlapping images(pixel inefficient)
1080 checker board is two seperate images giving the optical illusion of one solid image. http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/4/4e/4e6c6be0_dlpchecker.jpg (pixel efficient)
This can look much better or much worse depending on display(pixel distance) and viewing distance(screen door effect).Just because you have one display and it doesn't look as good(though I think you did something wrong). Doesnt make it true for all displays.
Though I hear that lcd/plasma doesn't have screendoor effect. Just dlp.
I am not the most knowledgeable on this subject. However I am always willing to learn and admit mistakes. Technology is always changing. Maybe you should just admit you don't know as much as you think you do.
You don't like it? DONT USE IT. Noone is forcing you. I dont not use rollermod but do you honestly think you are the messiah or something and that everyone before you has been tricked? Certain displays benefit more from it more then others(I guess it has to do with pixel distance). Do you honestly think people have tried the other display modes and couldn't tell the difference and mysteriously thought Roller's 1080i mode was better? That they are sacrificing FPS to play in 1080 resolution over 720? MAYB....JUST MAYB you don't know what you are talking about.
Jeez.
Even in pixels it is more.
1,000,000 pixels in rollermod 1080mode
900,000 pixels in 720p mode
From how I can explain it.
720p is 2 overlapping images(pixel inefficient)
1080 checker board is two seperate images giving the optical illusion of one solid image. http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/4/4e/4e6c6be0_dlpchecker.jpg (pixel efficient)
This can look much better or much worse depending on display(pixel distance) and viewing distance(screen door effect).Just because you have one display and it doesn't look as good(though I think you did something wrong). Doesnt make it true for all displays.
Though I hear that lcd/plasma doesn't have screendoor effect. Just dlp.
I am not the most knowledgeable on this subject. However I am always willing to learn and admit mistakes. Technology is always changing. Maybe you should just admit you don't know as much as you think you do.
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All that Rollermod (which is actually an EDID override) does is to allow access to some 3D modes of the nVidia driver that otherwise would not be offered if a HDMI 1.4 HDTV is connected, namely 'checkerboard' and 'Generic CRT'. It does that by making the driver think that a HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV is connected so that 3DTV Play does not step in, which would limit the stereo output to either 720p@60Hz or 1080p@24Hz frame packing modes.
The problem with 3DTV Play 720p (1280x720) resolution is that most modern HDTVs have a native resolution of 1920x1080 pixels. Its well known that displays with a fixed matrix (like plasma and LCD) offer the best image quality when the video signal has the same resolution as the display matrix and the display does a 1:1 pixel mapping. For all other resolutions the image must be up/downscaled and will get some degree of blurryness.
The problem with the 3DTV Play 1080p resolution is that only 24Hz are offered, because it was meant for blurays and not for gaming. Only a few games are playable with 24Hz, so it is generally not useable.
The two 3D Vision modes available through rollermod are both superior to what 3DTV Play has to offer currently:
Generic CRT is frame sequential and at least some Samsung HDTV do support this mode. Since the current HDMI specification allows for 60Hz at full HD it is possible to get 30 frames per eye, which is a lot (25%) better than the 24Hz offered by 3DTV Play.
Btw the HDTV actually outputs every frame twice (to get 60Hz per eye or 120Hz total) or there would be a visible aweful flickering.
Checkerboard is a bit harder to explain. Actually the 3D driver sends 60 frames per second in full HD, but every frame combines the pixels for both eyes. All even pixels are for the one eye and all odd pixels for the other. The HDTV then splits every frame in the 2 views for the left and right eye and outputs it with 60 * 2 = 120Hz (or 60Hz per eye).
Since every second pixel is missing in a partial view the HDTV has to interpolate that pixels based on the surrounding ones, but the beslissend fact is that all delivered pixels can still be mapped 1:1 to the display matrix. That is the reason why a 1080p checkerboard image looks much better on a 1920x1080 dislay than an upscaled 720p signal and may be indistinguishable from a true full HD 3D signal.
All that Rollermod (which is actually an EDID override) does is to allow access to some 3D modes of the nVidia driver that otherwise would not be offered if a HDMI 1.4 HDTV is connected, namely 'checkerboard' and 'Generic CRT'. It does that by making the driver think that a HDMI 1.3 compatible HDTV is connected so that 3DTV Play does not step in, which would limit the stereo output to either 720p@60Hz or 1080p@24Hz frame packing modes.
The problem with 3DTV Play 720p (1280x720) resolution is that most modern HDTVs have a native resolution of 1920x1080 pixels. Its well known that displays with a fixed matrix (like plasma and LCD) offer the best image quality when the video signal has the same resolution as the display matrix and the display does a 1:1 pixel mapping. For all other resolutions the image must be up/downscaled and will get some degree of blurryness.
The problem with the 3DTV Play 1080p resolution is that only 24Hz are offered, because it was meant for blurays and not for gaming. Only a few games are playable with 24Hz, so it is generally not useable.
The two 3D Vision modes available through rollermod are both superior to what 3DTV Play has to offer currently:
Generic CRT is frame sequential and at least some Samsung HDTV do support this mode. Since the current HDMI specification allows for 60Hz at full HD it is possible to get 30 frames per eye, which is a lot (25%) better than the 24Hz offered by 3DTV Play.
Btw the HDTV actually outputs every frame twice (to get 60Hz per eye or 120Hz total) or there would be a visible aweful flickering.
Checkerboard is a bit harder to explain. Actually the 3D driver sends 60 frames per second in full HD, but every frame combines the pixels for both eyes. All even pixels are for the one eye and all odd pixels for the other. The HDTV then splits every frame in the 2 views for the left and right eye and outputs it with 60 * 2 = 120Hz (or 60Hz per eye).
Since every second pixel is missing in a partial view the HDTV has to interpolate that pixels based on the surrounding ones, but the beslissend fact is that all delivered pixels can still be mapped 1:1 to the display matrix. That is the reason why a 1080p checkerboard image looks much better on a 1920x1080 dislay than an upscaled 720p signal and may be indistinguishable from a true full HD 3D signal.