Back to 4k topic :) I've just got epson ls 10500, which is 4k e-shift laser PJ. And all I can say, that in 2d 4k image is amazing on my 135" screen. Its really really sharper than 1080p image. It is really great for 4k content, its even great for projecting 1080p content upscaled to 4k using MadVR. I've tried RIse of the Tomb Rider in 4k - and its really great even in 2d.
Speaking about 3d - its not so good, there are quite a lot of ghosting, and I'm really sensitive to it, so for 3d gaming in my opinion benq 1070 still better with it's 0 ghosting :)
Back to 4k topic :) I've just got epson ls 10500, which is 4k e-shift laser PJ. And all I can say, that in 2d 4k image is amazing on my 135" screen. Its really really sharper than 1080p image. It is really great for 4k content, its even great for projecting 1080p content upscaled to 4k using MadVR. I've tried RIse of the Tomb Rider in 4k - and its really great even in 2d.
Speaking about 3d - its not so good, there are quite a lot of ghosting, and I'm really sensitive to it, so for 3d gaming in my opinion benq 1070 still better with it's 0 ghosting :)
Perhaps you could try some Monster Vision glasses to dial in better extinction.
They quit making them, but it's still possible to find them.
If you try them, make sure that you use the latest software version if it different than what's supplied with them.
Thanks for the mini review vitalijus, I keep considering changing to an LCD based projector and while the reviews keep saying there is hardly any crosstalk I've been bitten by that before, looks like DLP or dual passive projection only for 3d.
Just in case it was missed, I'll just paste in what I wrote on another thread (about DLP 4k):
A number of 4K projectors have been announced, cheapest of which is the Optoma UHD60, the specs of which haven't been confirmed yet, although it's rumoured to support 3d if you look on AVSFORUMS.
None of the others officially support 3d, but I've been reading some of the user manuals and they do seem to suggest support of 120hz and upwards, so I'm not getting excited yet but it looks to me as though we finally have a chance of getting full res 1080p 3d@60hz, at least.
Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.
Thanks for the mini review vitalijus, I keep considering changing to an LCD based projector and while the reviews keep saying there is hardly any crosstalk I've been bitten by that before, looks like DLP or dual passive projection only for 3d.
Just in case it was missed, I'll just paste in what I wrote on another thread (about DLP 4k):
A number of 4K projectors have been announced, cheapest of which is the Optoma UHD60, the specs of which haven't been confirmed yet, although it's rumoured to support 3d if you look on AVSFORUMS.
None of the others officially support 3d, but I've been reading some of the user manuals and they do seem to suggest support of 120hz and upwards, so I'm not getting excited yet but it looks to me as though we finally have a chance of getting full res 1080p 3d@60hz, at least.
Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.
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[quote="rustyk"]Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.[/quote]
Are you sure? it seems to be beyond hdmi2 specs. Also no new 4k dlp projectors based on this TI 2k DLP chip have declared support for 3d which seems suspicious to me.
Another thing all reviews are suggesting - is very bad native contrast on this DLP chip. It is even worse than the one on Benq 1070. So for 2d viewing there are way better options.
rustyk said:Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.
Are you sure? it seems to be beyond hdmi2 specs. Also no new 4k dlp projectors based on this TI 2k DLP chip have declared support for 3d which seems suspicious to me.
Another thing all reviews are suggesting - is very bad native contrast on this DLP chip. It is even worse than the one on Benq 1070. So for 2d viewing there are way better options.
Low contrast doesn't sound to good and 3000$ still sound very very expensive to me.
The only thing that could make me change my Benq w1300 now is better contrast and brightness.
With 1920x750@104hz image quality is quite good and widescreen seems so natural now.
Low contrast doesn't sound to good and 3000$ still sound very very expensive to me.
The only thing that could make me change my Benq w1300 now is better contrast and brightness.
With 1920x750@104hz image quality is quite good and widescreen seems so natural now.
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[quote="vitalijus_b"][quote="rustyk"]Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.[/quote]
Are you sure? it seems to be beyond hdmi2 specs. Also no new 4k dlp projectors based on this TI 2k DLP chip have declared support for 3d which seems suspicious to me.
Another thing all reviews are suggesting - is very bad native contrast on this DLP chip. It is even worse than the one on Benq 1070. So for 2d viewing there are way better options.[/quote]
Nope, I'm not sure and it wouldn't be the first time documentation contained errors. Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic though.
We'll know more in a month or so when specs are confirmed and more reviews are out, as there is still very limited info on all these models and I don't think there is enough to say how they compare to existing devices.
Interesting post:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/2707529-optoma-uhd60-4k-hdr-projector-ces-2017-a-5.html#post50142233
And Benq's site says 120Hz:
http://www.benq.com/product/projector/w11000/specifications/
It's early days, they are expensive and ridiculously large, but it does feel like it might be real progress.
rustyk said:Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.
Are you sure? it seems to be beyond hdmi2 specs. Also no new 4k dlp projectors based on this TI 2k DLP chip have declared support for 3d which seems suspicious to me.
Another thing all reviews are suggesting - is very bad native contrast on this DLP chip. It is even worse than the one on Benq 1070. So for 2d viewing there are way better options.
Nope, I'm not sure and it wouldn't be the first time documentation contained errors. Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic though.
We'll know more in a month or so when specs are confirmed and more reviews are out, as there is still very limited info on all these models and I don't think there is enough to say how they compare to existing devices.
Simultaneous 10bit / 120hz / 4K is a tall order even for DLP technology, it remains to be seen if it can support ,one or two of these, but all three certainly not I'm afraid.
Simultaneous 10bit / 120hz / 4K is a tall order even for DLP technology, it remains to be seen if it can support ,one or two of these, but all three certainly not I'm afraid.
[quote="rustyk"]
And Benq's site says 120Hz:
http://www.benq.com/product/projector/w11000/specifications/
[/quote]
But next line shows 480i/p 60Hz, 576i/p 50Hz, 720p 50/60Hz, 1080i 50/60Hz, 1080p 24/25/30/50/60Hz, 2160p 24/25/30/50/60Hz
no 120hz here :(
it is possible that 120hz are only available while doing some kind of internal motion interpolation enhancements, not as an input source. Or this is just plane mistake in specs.
But next line shows 480i/p 60Hz, 576i/p 50Hz, 720p 50/60Hz, 1080i 50/60Hz, 1080p 24/25/30/50/60Hz, 2160p 24/25/30/50/60Hz
no 120hz here :(
it is possible that 120hz are only available while doing some kind of internal motion interpolation enhancements, not as an input source. Or this is just plane mistake in specs.
I think HDTV refers only to standard resolutions and this is why 120hz is not present. I tend to believe that 1080@120hz will be possible.
PS: but does it really matter when it costs 7000$?
Cost is prohibitive, but the UHD60 is supposed to be $2700.
In any case, fingers crossed the manufactures will allow geniune 120Hz+ inputs and costs should come down over time, so hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Cost is prohibitive, but the UHD60 is supposed to be $2700.
In any case, fingers crossed the manufactures will allow geniune 120Hz+ inputs and costs should come down over time, so hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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I've contacted a few projector manufacturers about their upcoming 4K projectors and 3D support etc.
The answers aren't very promising.
The new optoma UHD60 won't support 3D
The new benQ x12000 won't support 3D (probably means the w11000 too)
I asked Panasonic about 4K projectors they have and they linked me to a 5K laser projector retailing at £94,000!!!
Looks like this new Texas Instruments 4K DLP chip that supposed to make 4K projectors more affordable doesn't support 3D at all.
The only native 4K projectors you can get are Sonys and they start at £5000!
All the wobulation projectors are capped at 4K 30hz and I think from what I've read that they only support 1080p for gaming with a useable input lag.
Anyway. If anyone has any other info on 4K projectors for relatively 'cheap' prices that support 3D, please do post on here.
Hasn't anyone tried a sony 4K projector for gaming in 2D or 3D? Has anyone even seen one for watching movies even?
I want to know about brightness/contrast etc as the lumens seem quite low on the cheaper Sony 4K projectors.
Check this video of a Sony 4K projector hooked up to a PS4 Pro playing checkerboard 4K.
Looks fucking amazing!
Fast forward to about 1/2 way through the video.......
https://youtu.be/YfEoo3Ou-gY
EDIT: just watched a video on the Sony 5000eS 4K $90,000 laser projector.
They say they do 3 versions: one for home, one for museums and aquatic centres etc.
The other version they do is meant for flight simulators etc that is 4K 120hz and has DisplayPort inputs!
Is this the reason why we don't get DisplayPort on consumer projectors?
Is this the same reason why nvidia won't don't the resolution limit off 3D TV Play?
I.e they don't want to give consumers the tech they use on their professional options as it will cannablise their profits on their pro products?
Who the fuck is spending $90,000 on a projector for their home!?!
I've contacted a few projector manufacturers about their upcoming 4K projectors and 3D support etc.
The answers aren't very promising.
The new optoma UHD60 won't support 3D
The new benQ x12000 won't support 3D (probably means the w11000 too)
I asked Panasonic about 4K projectors they have and they linked me to a 5K laser projector retailing at £94,000!!!
Looks like this new Texas Instruments 4K DLP chip that supposed to make 4K projectors more affordable doesn't support 3D at all.
The only native 4K projectors you can get are Sonys and they start at £5000!
All the wobulation projectors are capped at 4K 30hz and I think from what I've read that they only support 1080p for gaming with a useable input lag.
Anyway. If anyone has any other info on 4K projectors for relatively 'cheap' prices that support 3D, please do post on here.
Hasn't anyone tried a sony 4K projector for gaming in 2D or 3D? Has anyone even seen one for watching movies even?
I want to know about brightness/contrast etc as the lumens seem quite low on the cheaper Sony 4K projectors.
Check this video of a Sony 4K projector hooked up to a PS4 Pro playing checkerboard 4K.
Looks fucking amazing!
Fast forward to about 1/2 way through the video.......
https://youtu.be/YfEoo3Ou-gY
EDIT: just watched a video on the Sony 5000eS 4K $90,000 laser projector.
They say they do 3 versions: one for home, one for museums and aquatic centres etc.
The other version they do is meant for flight simulators etc that is 4K 120hz and has DisplayPort inputs!
Is this the reason why we don't get DisplayPort on consumer projectors?
Is this the same reason why nvidia won't don't the resolution limit off 3D TV Play?
I.e they don't want to give consumers the tech they use on their professional options as it will cannablise their profits on their pro products?
Who the fuck is spending $90,000 on a projector for their home!?!
Did quite a bit of research on those projectors (and as a result got LS10500 - laser "fake" 4k pj). Fake 4k that produce amazing image are currently JVC and Epson PJs.
1st. From normal viewing distance true 4k vs "fake" 4k is almost indistinguishable. Very very difficult to see any difference. You can see it on windows desktop and display test patterns, thats basically it.
I personally use 135" screen, and seet around 3m from it. 4k looks great, no problems for me.
2nd. Input lag is OK on newest JVCs - they have special game mode, it is certanly OK on my Epson, when input is set to 4k (then minimum processing seems to be applied). According to reviews it is in 40-60ms range, which is OK with me.
3d on all those LCD projectors is not so great due to ghosting. People say there is almost no visible ghosting in reviews, but they are checking movies. In games ghosting is much more visible, and I can clearly see it.
Greatest benefit of LS 10500 pj for me is its contrast performance, it looks amazing in dark scenes, compared to benq 1070, resolution is secondary, though nice feature.
As I said previously, I've tried tomb raider in 4k, and yeah it looks way better in 2d 4k, than on 1080p projector. But can't say that about 3d - in 3d it actually is better on cheap benq 1070.
Did quite a bit of research on those projectors (and as a result got LS10500 - laser "fake" 4k pj). Fake 4k that produce amazing image are currently JVC and Epson PJs.
1st. From normal viewing distance true 4k vs "fake" 4k is almost indistinguishable. Very very difficult to see any difference. You can see it on windows desktop and display test patterns, thats basically it.
I personally use 135" screen, and seet around 3m from it. 4k looks great, no problems for me.
2nd. Input lag is OK on newest JVCs - they have special game mode, it is certanly OK on my Epson, when input is set to 4k (then minimum processing seems to be applied). According to reviews it is in 40-60ms range, which is OK with me.
3d on all those LCD projectors is not so great due to ghosting. People say there is almost no visible ghosting in reviews, but they are checking movies. In games ghosting is much more visible, and I can clearly see it.
Greatest benefit of LS 10500 pj for me is its contrast performance, it looks amazing in dark scenes, compared to benq 1070, resolution is secondary, though nice feature.
As I said previously, I've tried tomb raider in 4k, and yeah it looks way better in 2d 4k, than on 1080p projector. But can't say that about 3d - in 3d it actually is better on cheap benq 1070.
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Gibson, that's bad news although as far as I'm aware the UHD60 specs haven't been officially confirmed?
You're right that those currently formally announced don't support 3d, but I'm still hoping that the push for 4K will make manufacturers fit HDMI 2.x interfaces, which at least have the bandwidth for 1920x1080x120Hz.
We're still reliant on the the projector firmware to support that input resolution, but it would still give us something that isn't widely available, which is full HD 3d @ 60 FPS... Assuming we can use an EDID override.
That's the thing, the current 1080p projectors can do 120Hz internally, it's the crappy HDMI 1.4 interface which has been holding us back because it doesn't have the bandwidth.
Gibson, that's bad news although as far as I'm aware the UHD60 specs haven't been officially confirmed?
You're right that those currently formally announced don't support 3d, but I'm still hoping that the push for 4K will make manufacturers fit HDMI 2.x interfaces, which at least have the bandwidth for 1920x1080x120Hz.
We're still reliant on the the projector firmware to support that input resolution, but it would still give us something that isn't widely available, which is full HD 3d @ 60 FPS... Assuming we can use an EDID override.
That's the thing, the current 1080p projectors can do 120Hz internally, it's the crappy HDMI 1.4 interface which has been holding us back because it doesn't have the bandwidth.
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Speaking about 3d - its not so good, there are quite a lot of ghosting, and I'm really sensitive to it, so for 3d gaming in my opinion benq 1070 still better with it's 0 ghosting :)
They quit making them, but it's still possible to find them.
If you try them, make sure that you use the latest software version if it different than what's supplied with them.
Just in case it was missed, I'll just paste in what I wrote on another thread (about DLP 4k):
A number of 4K projectors have been announced, cheapest of which is the Optoma UHD60, the specs of which haven't been confirmed yet, although it's rumoured to support 3d if you look on AVSFORUMS.
None of the others officially support 3d, but I've been reading some of the user manuals and they do seem to suggest support of 120hz and upwards, so I'm not getting excited yet but it looks to me as though we finally have a chance of getting full res 1080p 3d@60hz, at least.
Have a look yourselves, the models are the Benq W11000 and the Acer v9800. The manual for the 9800 says it supports 4k at 135Hz.
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Are you sure? it seems to be beyond hdmi2 specs. Also no new 4k dlp projectors based on this TI 2k DLP chip have declared support for 3d which seems suspicious to me.
Another thing all reviews are suggesting - is very bad native contrast on this DLP chip. It is even worse than the one on Benq 1070. So for 2d viewing there are way better options.
The only thing that could make me change my Benq w1300 now is better contrast and brightness.
With 1920x750@104hz image quality is quite good and widescreen seems so natural now.
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Nope, I'm not sure and it wouldn't be the first time documentation contained errors. Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic though.
We'll know more in a month or so when specs are confirmed and more reviews are out, as there is still very limited info on all these models and I don't think there is enough to say how they compare to existing devices.
Interesting post:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/2707529-optoma-uhd60-4k-hdr-projector-ces-2017-a-5.html#post50142233
And Benq's site says 120Hz:
http://www.benq.com/product/projector/w11000/specifications/
It's early days, they are expensive and ridiculously large, but it does feel like it might be real progress.
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But next line shows 480i/p 60Hz, 576i/p 50Hz, 720p 50/60Hz, 1080i 50/60Hz, 1080p 24/25/30/50/60Hz, 2160p 24/25/30/50/60Hz
no 120hz here :(
it is possible that 120hz are only available while doing some kind of internal motion interpolation enhancements, not as an input source. Or this is just plane mistake in specs.
PS: but does it really matter when it costs 7000$?
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In any case, fingers crossed the manufactures will allow geniune 120Hz+ inputs and costs should come down over time, so hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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The answers aren't very promising.
The new optoma UHD60 won't support 3D
The new benQ x12000 won't support 3D (probably means the w11000 too)
I asked Panasonic about 4K projectors they have and they linked me to a 5K laser projector retailing at £94,000!!!
Looks like this new Texas Instruments 4K DLP chip that supposed to make 4K projectors more affordable doesn't support 3D at all.
The only native 4K projectors you can get are Sonys and they start at £5000!
All the wobulation projectors are capped at 4K 30hz and I think from what I've read that they only support 1080p for gaming with a useable input lag.
Anyway. If anyone has any other info on 4K projectors for relatively 'cheap' prices that support 3D, please do post on here.
Hasn't anyone tried a sony 4K projector for gaming in 2D or 3D? Has anyone even seen one for watching movies even?
I want to know about brightness/contrast etc as the lumens seem quite low on the cheaper Sony 4K projectors.
Check this video of a Sony 4K projector hooked up to a PS4 Pro playing checkerboard 4K.
Looks fucking amazing!
Fast forward to about 1/2 way through the video.......
https://youtu.be/YfEoo3Ou-gY
EDIT: just watched a video on the Sony 5000eS 4K $90,000 laser projector.
They say they do 3 versions: one for home, one for museums and aquatic centres etc.
The other version they do is meant for flight simulators etc that is 4K 120hz and has DisplayPort inputs!
Is this the reason why we don't get DisplayPort on consumer projectors?
Is this the same reason why nvidia won't don't the resolution limit off 3D TV Play?
I.e they don't want to give consumers the tech they use on their professional options as it will cannablise their profits on their pro products?
Who the fuck is spending $90,000 on a projector for their home!?!
1st. From normal viewing distance true 4k vs "fake" 4k is almost indistinguishable. Very very difficult to see any difference. You can see it on windows desktop and display test patterns, thats basically it.
I personally use 135" screen, and seet around 3m from it. 4k looks great, no problems for me.
2nd. Input lag is OK on newest JVCs - they have special game mode, it is certanly OK on my Epson, when input is set to 4k (then minimum processing seems to be applied). According to reviews it is in 40-60ms range, which is OK with me.
3d on all those LCD projectors is not so great due to ghosting. People say there is almost no visible ghosting in reviews, but they are checking movies. In games ghosting is much more visible, and I can clearly see it.
Greatest benefit of LS 10500 pj for me is its contrast performance, it looks amazing in dark scenes, compared to benq 1070, resolution is secondary, though nice feature.
As I said previously, I've tried tomb raider in 4k, and yeah it looks way better in 2d 4k, than on 1080p projector. But can't say that about 3d - in 3d it actually is better on cheap benq 1070.
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You're right that those currently formally announced don't support 3d, but I'm still hoping that the push for 4K will make manufacturers fit HDMI 2.x interfaces, which at least have the bandwidth for 1920x1080x120Hz.
We're still reliant on the the projector firmware to support that input resolution, but it would still give us something that isn't widely available, which is full HD 3d @ 60 FPS... Assuming we can use an EDID override.
That's the thing, the current 1080p projectors can do 120Hz internally, it's the crappy HDMI 1.4 interface which has been holding us back because it doesn't have the bandwidth.
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Same with BenQ.
Sometimes it's quicker just to go straight to the top and just ask!