3D Vision driver support for Passive interlaced LG 3D Cinema TV
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[quote name='roller11' date='16 November 2011 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1321483542' post='1327856']
[u]More deception. You said I "forced CB down the OP neck". I made no statement, no response at all *TO THE OP*. Before you tell another lie, remember that anyone can go back and see that all my resonses were directed to you except for one comment to tailslol (#4) where I made no mention of CB mode, and to Grestorn where I corrected his mistake.[/u]

You mention no satisfactory way to get 3dvision on passive, you seem to not realise what you say there as the same can be said for 3dvisions checkerboard! but it has been done proven by yourself!
So instead of saying there is a way you say there is no satisfactory way when there obviously is and go onto the tv's that support checkerboard, and again i do not need to piont out to you what that thing/way is because i do not need to bring things up to fight my corner.

[u]Never said this, still another lie. You keep forgeting, people can simply look at the posts and see that I never said what you falsely accuse me of saying.
I didn't say "what I meant to say" because I said exactly what I meant to say, there is nothing to take back. I'll say it again. Nvidia doesn't support interleaved 3D gaming on HDTVs, that's what I have said consistantly. In post #9 I didn't bother to add the redundant "on HDTVs" because all posts at that time, including the OP's, were strictly in regard to HDTVs, and specifically NOT to computer monitors. Therefore, "for HDTVs" is assumed, no need to say it explictly.[quote]When I said "it doesn't support interleaved support" of course that was in the context of 3D gaming on a full sized display. Whether or not it's possible to 3D game with degraded images on a tiny computer monitor using interleaved is a moot point, nobody would ever want to do this. So this doesn't count as wrongness

[/quote]
When you said, you said this after a reply after being proven incorrect, you changed your tactics, if somebody asked you can i have checkerboard on a active tv would you say " theres no satisfactory way " and then change the subject like you have done.

[u]Pure lie. CB has no lag.[
Cb has lag, so does o/u,sbs, framepacking, frequency ( 3dtv's ) and interleaved on a none passive set, ALL these 3d options have lag, this is proved as a matter of fact to anybody that owns a passive set.
Why do you think people including myself want passive interleaved 3d for reduced lag, it's because of the reduced lag.
Aagain this is proved as fact by way of common sense and facts, 3d image proccessing adds alittle lag as the tv has todo alot of proccessing, all 3dtv's have alittle lag in 3d mode, this can be seen by how fast a mouse moves around the desktop, mopuse moves faster in 2d mode than it does in 3d, same goes for cockpit views and wheels, alittle lag in 3d!

[u]How many of them are filled with praise for something you donated to the forum for free, like the ability to achieve native resolution gaming that they could not have done otherwise? [/u]

Again i do not need to answer this as i have nothing to prove, you are the one that is trying to prove himself here unlike yourself

Where are these incorrect facts? If there are so many, you should be able to find at least one. Come back when you find just one post where I gave incorrect statement.

[u] roller11
nvidia doesn't support interleaved so this is of no interest. We need checkerboard with no colorbug. [/u]


[u]My woes? Where did I mention "my woes"?? Now you are hallucinating.[/u]

You are asking me to prove this and prove that, i need to prove nothing, but you obviously do, you accuse me of being decietfull when it has been you being decietfull all along in this thread as proven by i need not mention anything or posts or bring anybody else into this.
The people i have helped or the things i have given away for free do not go in my epeen list to tell people i have done this and that and it was great and i'm super, i'm modest and truthfull and i do not take rubbish from idiots like you
[/quote]


Well i messed that up thats for sure lol.

You are clever enough to read what i have wrote amongst your quote, if you want tobe picky with it then feel free to.
[quote name='roller11' date='16 November 2011 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1321483542' post='1327856']

More deception. You said I "forced CB down the OP neck". I made no statement, no response at all *TO THE OP*. Before you tell another lie, remember that anyone can go back and see that all my resonses were directed to you except for one comment to tailslol (#4) where I made no mention of CB mode, and to Grestorn where I corrected his mistake.



You mention no satisfactory way to get 3dvision on passive, you seem to not realise what you say there as the same can be said for 3dvisions checkerboard! but it has been done proven by yourself!

So instead of saying there is a way you say there is no satisfactory way when there obviously is and go onto the tv's that support checkerboard, and again i do not need to piont out to you what that thing/way is because i do not need to bring things up to fight my corner.



Never said this, still another lie. You keep forgeting, people can simply look at the posts and see that I never said what you falsely accuse me of saying.

I didn't say "what I meant to say" because I said exactly what I meant to say, there is nothing to take back. I'll say it again. Nvidia doesn't support interleaved 3D gaming on HDTVs, that's what I have said consistantly. In post #9 I didn't bother to add the redundant "on HDTVs" because all posts at that time, including the OP's, were strictly in regard to HDTVs, and specifically NOT to computer monitors. Therefore, "for HDTVs" is assumed, no need to say it explictly.
When I said "it doesn't support interleaved support" of course that was in the context of 3D gaming on a full sized display. Whether or not it's possible to 3D game with degraded images on a tiny computer monitor using interleaved is a moot point, nobody would ever want to do this. So this doesn't count as wrongness





When you said, you said this after a reply after being proven incorrect, you changed your tactics, if somebody asked you can i have checkerboard on a active tv would you say " theres no satisfactory way " and then change the subject like you have done.



[u]Pure lie. CB has no lag.[

Cb has lag, so does o/u,sbs, framepacking, frequency ( 3dtv's ) and interleaved on a none passive set, ALL these 3d options have lag, this is proved as a matter of fact to anybody that owns a passive set.

Why do you think people including myself want passive interleaved 3d for reduced lag, it's because of the reduced lag.

Aagain this is proved as fact by way of common sense and facts, 3d image proccessing adds alittle lag as the tv has todo alot of proccessing, all 3dtv's have alittle lag in 3d mode, this can be seen by how fast a mouse moves around the desktop, mopuse moves faster in 2d mode than it does in 3d, same goes for cockpit views and wheels, alittle lag in 3d!



[u]How many of them are filled with praise for something you donated to the forum for free, like the ability to achieve native resolution gaming that they could not have done otherwise?




Again i do not need to answer this as i have nothing to prove, you are the one that is trying to prove himself here unlike yourself



Where are these incorrect facts? If there are so many, you should be able to find at least one. Come back when you find just one post where I gave incorrect statement.



roller11

nvidia doesn't support interleaved so this is of no interest. We need checkerboard with no colorbug.






My woes? Where did I mention "my woes"?? Now you are hallucinating.



You are asking me to prove this and prove that, i need to prove nothing, but you obviously do, you accuse me of being decietfull when it has been you being decietfull all along in this thread as proven by i need not mention anything or posts or bring anybody else into this.

The people i have helped or the things i have given away for free do not go in my epeen list to tell people i have done this and that and it was great and i'm super, i'm modest and truthfull and i do not take rubbish from idiots like you







Well i messed that up thats for sure lol.



You are clever enough to read what i have wrote amongst your quote, if you want tobe picky with it then feel free to.

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#31
Posted 11/16/2011 11:40 PM   
I've played in Checkerboard and Interleaved, I could not declare a clear winner. But I will say that 1080P is a clear winner over 720P, unless you are using a GPU that isn't powerful enough for the rendering requirements 3D at 1080P.
I've played in Checkerboard and Interleaved, I could not declare a clear winner. But I will say that 1080P is a clear winner over 720P, unless you are using a GPU that isn't powerful enough for the rendering requirements 3D at 1080P.

#32
Posted 11/16/2011 11:45 PM   
[quote name='mocca' date='16 November 2011 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1321486804' post='1327885']
You mention no satisfactory way to get 3dvision on passive, you seem to not realise what you say there as the same can be said for 3dvisions checkerboard!
[/quote]
This is extremely wrong. CB gives the most satisfying 3D experience possible on a HDTV as anyone will tell you. The fact that CB doesn't work on LG passives is the fault of LG, not CB.
[quote]So instead of saying there is a way you say there is no satisfactory way when there obviously is [refering to interleaved mode on a HDTV][/quote]
Prove it. Tell the forum what HDTV is supported by nvidia gaming software in interleaved mode. Or, ignore this question and be proven wrong once again.
[quote]
When you said, you said this after a reply after being proven incorrect,[/quote]
Wrong, I was never proven incorrect.
[quote] if somebody asked you can i have checkerboard on a active tv would you say " theres no satisfactory way "[/quote]
Of course not because it isn't true. CB gives a very satisfying experience. We're talking about my "wrong" statements, statements you have yet to produce.
[quote]CB has lag.[/quote]
CB has no detectable lag. I have played in 720P framepack, FS, all at various res, and checkerboard is the smoothest.
[quote]
You are asking me to prove this and prove that, i need to prove nothing[/quote]
Yes you do. When a person accuses another of wrongdoing, you need to provide proof, that's how false accusations work. If you say "pink elephants exist" then you need to provide a pink elephant. It isn't up to me to prove they don't exist.
Now, where is my statement about my "woes"? Refer to the thread and post number.
[quote name='mocca' date='16 November 2011 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1321486804' post='1327885']

You mention no satisfactory way to get 3dvision on passive, you seem to not realise what you say there as the same can be said for 3dvisions checkerboard!



This is extremely wrong. CB gives the most satisfying 3D experience possible on a HDTV as anyone will tell you. The fact that CB doesn't work on LG passives is the fault of LG, not CB.

So instead of saying there is a way you say there is no satisfactory way when there obviously is [refering to interleaved mode on a HDTV]


Prove it. Tell the forum what HDTV is supported by nvidia gaming software in interleaved mode. Or, ignore this question and be proven wrong once again.



When you said, you said this after a reply after being proven incorrect,


Wrong, I was never proven incorrect.

if somebody asked you can i have checkerboard on a active tv would you say " theres no satisfactory way "


Of course not because it isn't true. CB gives a very satisfying experience. We're talking about my "wrong" statements, statements you have yet to produce.

CB has lag.


CB has no detectable lag. I have played in 720P framepack, FS, all at various res, and checkerboard is the smoothest.



You are asking me to prove this and prove that, i need to prove nothing


Yes you do. When a person accuses another of wrongdoing, you need to provide proof, that's how false accusations work. If you say "pink elephants exist" then you need to provide a pink elephant. It isn't up to me to prove they don't exist.

Now, where is my statement about my "woes"? Refer to the thread and post number.

#33
Posted 11/17/2011 01:36 AM   
Thechnically, there is no difference in image quality between interleaved or checkerboard. The same amount of information is sent to the display in both cases. If there is any visible difference, then only because of the processing of the data in the display. Also the timing is identica. The only difference is the way the data is arranged in the picture.

Frame packing, however, is completely different, since it allows for full resolution, it has twice the bandwidth. But it doesn't help or hurt the lagging in any way either. With S3D, you always need VSync and you can achieve 60fps at best. How bad the lagging is, depends solely on the postprocessing in the display and if and how stable the game can achieve the 60 fps.

You're discussion is really pointless.
Thechnically, there is no difference in image quality between interleaved or checkerboard. The same amount of information is sent to the display in both cases. If there is any visible difference, then only because of the processing of the data in the display. Also the timing is identica. The only difference is the way the data is arranged in the picture.



Frame packing, however, is completely different, since it allows for full resolution, it has twice the bandwidth. But it doesn't help or hurt the lagging in any way either. With S3D, you always need VSync and you can achieve 60fps at best. How bad the lagging is, depends solely on the postprocessing in the display and if and how stable the game can achieve the 60 fps.



You're discussion is really pointless.

#34
Posted 11/17/2011 06:49 AM   
So back to the OP's original question, why da h3ll is there no interleave output offered in 3DTV Play or checkerboard via HDMI without having to use a work around such as a modified EDID. IMO Nvidia is shooting itself in the foot by aggravating customers and making them turn to other vendors for their 3D gaming needs. Gamers can be fickle, push them away and they may not return.
So back to the OP's original question, why da h3ll is there no interleave output offered in 3DTV Play or checkerboard via HDMI without having to use a work around such as a modified EDID. IMO Nvidia is shooting itself in the foot by aggravating customers and making them turn to other vendors for their 3D gaming needs. Gamers can be fickle, push them away and they may not return.

#35
Posted 11/17/2011 07:34 AM   
[quote name='roller11' date='14 November 2011 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1321308679' post='1326474']
Nvidia doesn't support interleaved so this is of no interest. We need checkerboard with no colorbug.
[/quote]

It's not directly supported in the options but it does work. It always has. I managed to enable interlaced by a registry key change and the Edimensional activator in interlaced mode. It works but it is inferior to IZ3D's interlaced with the same glasses, as they do some kind of processing on theirs that makes it not look as grainy.

Nvidia's interlaced mode reminds me how interlaced looked around 2001 when I first installed the ED drivers off the cd that came with my glasses. In other words, it looks like crap. IZ3D's is much cleaner. Both however, let you use 3D with no performance hit.
[quote name='roller11' date='14 November 2011 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1321308679' post='1326474']

Nvidia doesn't support interleaved so this is of no interest. We need checkerboard with no colorbug.





It's not directly supported in the options but it does work. It always has. I managed to enable interlaced by a registry key change and the Edimensional activator in interlaced mode. It works but it is inferior to IZ3D's interlaced with the same glasses, as they do some kind of processing on theirs that makes it not look as grainy.



Nvidia's interlaced mode reminds me how interlaced looked around 2001 when I first installed the ED drivers off the cd that came with my glasses. In other words, it looks like crap. IZ3D's is much cleaner. Both however, let you use 3D with no performance hit.

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#36
Posted 11/17/2011 08:03 AM   
[quote name='Grestorn' date='17 November 2011 - 06:49 AM' timestamp='1321512573' post='1328075']

You're discussion is really pointless.
[/quote]

If that was quoted to us lol then yes your right and there will be no more from me, i proved my piont but then was forced to prove more and got sucked in by roller11 and his silly ways.
Back to the blocklist you go roller11!

And roller as i said, i have nothing to prove, i need not brag to defend my corner like you do, your such an idiot!

I need not reply to anything as all you have asked for is this and that to satisfy yourself, well i could blow you out the water right now but i won't as i have no need to brag like you do you silly little man!
You was allready proved wrong a few pages ago, i have nothing to prove to an idiot like yourself, i have no time for people like you and will never ever reply to any of your stupid retorts.

Cb has lag just like every other 3d mode and i talk about lag from the proccessing affects the 3dtv needs todo on its cpu ect when you switch the tv into 3d mode, this is proven as FACT by doing a simple mouse speed test in 2d mode and 3d mode, the mouse moves slower in 3d modes, if you can'r accept that then again it just proves what an idiot you are, everybody knows 3d modes induce lag due to proccessing but it is'nt enough to destroy the gaming!
And some 3dtv's have faster 3d proccessing times than others, my tosh has proved lg's response time was wak in 3d.
2d/3d interlaced moide has alot more response than ANY OTHER 3d method on 3dtv's!

And one last piont....

[quote]Quote

if somebody asked you can i have checkerboard on a active tv would you say " theres no satisfactory way "

Of course not because it isn't true. CB gives a very satisfying experience. We're talking about my "wrong" statements, statements you have yet to produce.
[/quote]

Here it is again, 3dvison does not work with 3dtv's for checkerboard, that is a fact! proven wrong by you!! so you would tell people it works with your mod ect because it does actually work, you are an idiot little man.

You are a deciever, you say you knew about the interleaved and 3d vision but you said "Nvidia doesn't support interleaved so this is of no interest. We need checkerboard with no colorbug. "
So if you knew about it sureley you would of commented and told the truth instead of lying, but this is on the idea that YOU REALLY did know!
And thens theres the debate that you did'nt know so which was it,either way your a liar and deciever who has blamed me of these 2 faults but it is really you and you only.

Here you go if you want some proof from me of what i have given.......
God will prove this as a fact and i will use one of gods creatures in the story.

I took my dog for a walk the other day and was folowed by a young wippet dog limping, i saw it was limping and walked upto it and checked it's paw only to find a 2" thorn sticking out of it, i calmed the dog with strokes and a gentle vioce and pulled that nasty thorn from it's foot which then the dog instantly replied with a lick to my face followed by a lick to it's paw, we then went off to the field it was near and played ball!

THE END!
[quote name='Grestorn' date='17 November 2011 - 06:49 AM' timestamp='1321512573' post='1328075']



You're discussion is really pointless.





If that was quoted to us lol then yes your right and there will be no more from me, i proved my piont but then was forced to prove more and got sucked in by roller11 and his silly ways.

Back to the blocklist you go roller11!



And roller as i said, i have nothing to prove, i need not brag to defend my corner like you do, your such an idiot!



I need not reply to anything as all you have asked for is this and that to satisfy yourself, well i could blow you out the water right now but i won't as i have no need to brag like you do you silly little man!

You was allready proved wrong a few pages ago, i have nothing to prove to an idiot like yourself, i have no time for people like you and will never ever reply to any of your stupid retorts.



Cb has lag just like every other 3d mode and i talk about lag from the proccessing affects the 3dtv needs todo on its cpu ect when you switch the tv into 3d mode, this is proven as FACT by doing a simple mouse speed test in 2d mode and 3d mode, the mouse moves slower in 3d modes, if you can'r accept that then again it just proves what an idiot you are, everybody knows 3d modes induce lag due to proccessing but it is'nt enough to destroy the gaming!

And some 3dtv's have faster 3d proccessing times than others, my tosh has proved lg's response time was wak in 3d.

2d/3d interlaced moide has alot more response than ANY OTHER 3d method on 3dtv's!



And one last piont....



Quote



if somebody asked you can i have checkerboard on a active tv would you say " theres no satisfactory way "



Of course not because it isn't true. CB gives a very satisfying experience. We're talking about my "wrong" statements, statements you have yet to produce.





Here it is again, 3dvison does not work with 3dtv's for checkerboard, that is a fact! proven wrong by you!! so you would tell people it works with your mod ect because it does actually work, you are an idiot little man.



You are a deciever, you say you knew about the interleaved and 3d vision but you said "Nvidia doesn't support interleaved so this is of no interest. We need checkerboard with no colorbug. "

So if you knew about it sureley you would of commented and told the truth instead of lying, but this is on the idea that YOU REALLY did know!

And thens theres the debate that you did'nt know so which was it,either way your a liar and deciever who has blamed me of these 2 faults but it is really you and you only.



Here you go if you want some proof from me of what i have given.......

God will prove this as a fact and i will use one of gods creatures in the story.



I took my dog for a walk the other day and was folowed by a young wippet dog limping, i saw it was limping and walked upto it and checked it's paw only to find a 2" thorn sticking out of it, i calmed the dog with strokes and a gentle vioce and pulled that nasty thorn from it's foot which then the dog instantly replied with a lick to my face followed by a lick to it's paw, we then went off to the field it was near and played ball!



THE END!

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#37
Posted 11/17/2011 10:59 AM   
Hi All

This thread has gone on long enough, I'm ending it.
Hi All



This thread has gone on long enough, I'm ending it.

#38
Posted 11/17/2011 06:10 PM   
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