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Hi! I recently bought a Nvidia 3D vision bundle and was quite disappointed when I found out that I could not use them with my laptop. My Sager with a 280m has become my primary computer. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has shifted into mobile PCs even as an avid gamer (I tried 3D vision at Blizzcon).

Here are the series of steps I've taken so far -

1) Driver limitation - The latest mobile drivers don't even support the 3D vision options. Bummer.
- I customized the inf in the setup folder and added my chipset to the latest desktop drivers. Now I see the 3d Vision options and the 3D Vision Discover works quite well. On to the next problem.

2) Adapter Refresh Rate - No matter what I do I cannot get the adapter to display anything above 60hz. I know that the chip should support it (being the same chip as a 9800gtx desktop card). I've tried altering the driver install. I've tried using RivaTuner to override the settings. No matter what I do I simply cannot get this Samsung 120hz monitor to actually display 120hz. It seems to be a 100% adapter limitation.

Why is this? Is this a Video Bios limitation? Is this a Hardware limitation? Driver? Do I need to return the 3D vision bundle to the Nvidia store?


Any help or advice would be appreciated. I'd really love to start using these.
Hi! I recently bought a Nvidia 3D vision bundle and was quite disappointed when I found out that I could not use them with my laptop. My Sager with a 280m has become my primary computer. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has shifted into mobile PCs even as an avid gamer (I tried 3D vision at Blizzcon).



Here are the series of steps I've taken so far -



1) Driver limitation - The latest mobile drivers don't even support the 3D vision options. Bummer.

- I customized the inf in the setup folder and added my chipset to the latest desktop drivers. Now I see the 3d Vision options and the 3D Vision Discover works quite well. On to the next problem.



2) Adapter Refresh Rate - No matter what I do I cannot get the adapter to display anything above 60hz. I know that the chip should support it (being the same chip as a 9800gtx desktop card). I've tried altering the driver install. I've tried using RivaTuner to override the settings. No matter what I do I simply cannot get this Samsung 120hz monitor to actually display 120hz. It seems to be a 100% adapter limitation.



Why is this? Is this a Video Bios limitation? Is this a Hardware limitation? Driver? Do I need to return the 3D vision bundle to the Nvidia store?





Any help or advice would be appreciated. I'd really love to start using these.

#1
Posted 09/02/2009 08:41 AM   
Hi, I'm assuming your laptop has an HDMI out port and that your using the HDMI to DVI cable that came with the 3D Vision kit. If that's so it won't work because the Samsung 2233RZ monitor requires a dual link DVI cable for 120hz. It will work with 3d enabled DLP TVs. I have heard that a HDMI to Dual Link DVI cable works, like this [url="http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-link-cable-10-ft.asp"]http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-l...cable-10-ft.asp[/url], but I haven't tried it myself. Good luck hope it works out.
Hi, I'm assuming your laptop has an HDMI out port and that your using the HDMI to DVI cable that came with the 3D Vision kit. If that's so it won't work because the Samsung 2233RZ monitor requires a dual link DVI cable for 120hz. It will work with 3d enabled DLP TVs. I have heard that a HDMI to Dual Link DVI cable works, like this http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-l...cable-10-ft.asp, but I haven't tried it myself. Good luck hope it works out.

#2
Posted 09/02/2009 12:13 PM   
[quote name='Paperninja' post='584529' date='Sep 2 2009, 12:41 PM']Hi! I recently bought a Nvidia 3D vision bundle and was quite disappointed when I found out that I could not use them with my laptop. My Sager with a 280m has become my primary computer. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has shifted into mobile PCs even as an avid gamer (I tried 3D vision at Blizzcon).

Here are the series of steps I've taken so far -

1) Driver limitation - The latest mobile drivers don't even support the 3D vision options. Bummer.
- I customized the inf in the setup folder and added my chipset to the latest desktop drivers. Now I see the 3d Vision options and the 3D Vision Discover works quite well. On to the next problem.

2) Adapter Refresh Rate - No matter what I do I cannot get the adapter to display anything above 60hz. I know that the chip should support it (being the same chip as a 9800gtx desktop card). I've tried altering the driver install. I've tried using RivaTuner to override the settings. No matter what I do I simply cannot get this Samsung 120hz monitor to actually display 120hz. It seems to be a 100% adapter limitation.

Why is this? Is this a Video Bios limitation? Is this a Hardware limitation? Driver? Do I need to return the 3D vision bundle to the Nvidia store?


Any help or advice would be appreciated. I'd really love to start using these.[/quote]

I had the same disapointment today. And have been through all the same fixes you described, including a host of 3rd party apps. Among these aps were a number of trouble shooting tools that confirmed the screen was telling windows it supported 120hz.

While I never got it working I've found a few promising lessons. On driver version 179.69 the samsung DID display in 120hz, and the 3Dvision software from the CD loaded, though it did not integrate into the NVidia control panel. It was only when I upgraded to 185.85 (and 190.62) that the adapter refused to see anything other than 60hz.

I'm 100% convinced it is a driver limitation and that is especialy disapointing considering the hardware is nearly identical to its desktop cousin (the 9800). Perhaps NVidia won't ignore our 600$ investments for screens and glasses by contenueing to let such an easily fixed problem slide.
[quote name='Paperninja' post='584529' date='Sep 2 2009, 12:41 PM']Hi! I recently bought a Nvidia 3D vision bundle and was quite disappointed when I found out that I could not use them with my laptop. My Sager with a 280m has become my primary computer. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has shifted into mobile PCs even as an avid gamer (I tried 3D vision at Blizzcon).



Here are the series of steps I've taken so far -



1) Driver limitation - The latest mobile drivers don't even support the 3D vision options. Bummer.

- I customized the inf in the setup folder and added my chipset to the latest desktop drivers. Now I see the 3d Vision options and the 3D Vision Discover works quite well. On to the next problem.



2) Adapter Refresh Rate - No matter what I do I cannot get the adapter to display anything above 60hz. I know that the chip should support it (being the same chip as a 9800gtx desktop card). I've tried altering the driver install. I've tried using RivaTuner to override the settings. No matter what I do I simply cannot get this Samsung 120hz monitor to actually display 120hz. It seems to be a 100% adapter limitation.



Why is this? Is this a Video Bios limitation? Is this a Hardware limitation? Driver? Do I need to return the 3D vision bundle to the Nvidia store?





Any help or advice would be appreciated. I'd really love to start using these.



I had the same disapointment today. And have been through all the same fixes you described, including a host of 3rd party apps. Among these aps were a number of trouble shooting tools that confirmed the screen was telling windows it supported 120hz.



While I never got it working I've found a few promising lessons. On driver version 179.69 the samsung DID display in 120hz, and the 3Dvision software from the CD loaded, though it did not integrate into the NVidia control panel. It was only when I upgraded to 185.85 (and 190.62) that the adapter refused to see anything other than 60hz.



I'm 100% convinced it is a driver limitation and that is especialy disapointing considering the hardware is nearly identical to its desktop cousin (the 9800). Perhaps NVidia won't ignore our 600$ investments for screens and glasses by contenueing to let such an easily fixed problem slide.

#3
Posted 09/02/2009 01:16 PM   
[quote name='sometreknerd' post='584585' date='Sep 2 2009, 07:13 AM']Hi, I'm assuming your laptop has an HDMI out port and that your using the HDMI to DVI cable that came with the 3D Vision kit. If that's so it won't work because the Samsung 2233RZ monitor requires a dual link DVI cable for 120hz. It will work with 3d enabled DLP TVs. I have heard that a HDMI to Dual Link DVI cable works, like this [url="http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-link-cable-10-ft.asp"]http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-l...cable-10-ft.asp[/url], but I haven't tried it myself. Good luck hope it works out.[/quote]

I'm actually using the Dual Link DVI cable with the DVI out on my laptop. The cable comes with the monitor. The only difference between the "Dual Link" cable and a normal one is that the missing pins in the center of the DVI cable are filled in. It kinda makes you wonder why all dvi cables weren't like that to begin with since all adapters already had holes for the pins. O_o
[quote name='sometreknerd' post='584585' date='Sep 2 2009, 07:13 AM']Hi, I'm assuming your laptop has an HDMI out port and that your using the HDMI to DVI cable that came with the 3D Vision kit. If that's so it won't work because the Samsung 2233RZ monitor requires a dual link DVI cable for 120hz. It will work with 3d enabled DLP TVs. I have heard that a HDMI to Dual Link DVI cable works, like this http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-l...cable-10-ft.asp, but I haven't tried it myself. Good luck hope it works out.



I'm actually using the Dual Link DVI cable with the DVI out on my laptop. The cable comes with the monitor. The only difference between the "Dual Link" cable and a normal one is that the missing pins in the center of the DVI cable are filled in. It kinda makes you wonder why all dvi cables weren't like that to begin with since all adapters already had holes for the pins. O_o

#4
Posted 09/02/2009 03:17 PM   
[quote name='pendaelose' post='584609' date='Sep 2 2009, 08:16 AM']I had the same disapointment today. And have been through all the same fixes you described, including a host of 3rd party apps. Among these aps were a number of trouble shooting tools that confirmed the screen was telling windows it supported 120hz.

While I never got it working I've found a few promising lessons. On driver version 179.69 the samsung DID display in 120hz, and the 3Dvision software from the CD loaded, though it did not integrate into the NVidia control panel. It was only when I upgraded to 185.85 (and 190.62) that the adapter refused to see anything other than 60hz.

I'm 100% convinced it is a driver limitation and that is especialy disapointing considering the hardware is nearly identical to its desktop cousin (the 9800). Perhaps NVidia won't ignore our 600$ investments for screens and glasses by contenueing to let such an easily fixed problem slide.[/quote]

That is really interesting you had the monitor at 120hz with the 179.69 driver. It makes me wonder if you could take whatever file tells the driver which refresh rates are acceptable and swap it into the 190.62 driver. I'll probably give it a shot when I get home, I'm just not sure which files this would be.

I also found this on EVGA's website -


[quote]04/27/2009 3:52:06 PM NVIDIA_Philip Q : stylinpat: Will the new GeForce GTX 260M and GTX 280M be supported with 3D vision? A : yes we are working on this for future driver releases. You'll just need a dual link DVI connection for LCDs and HDMI connection for DLPs (assuming you're using an external display to view the content)[/quote]

That looks like good news, but when? This thing is taunting me just sitting here. I'm dieing to play some Fallout 3 in 3D.
[quote name='pendaelose' post='584609' date='Sep 2 2009, 08:16 AM']I had the same disapointment today. And have been through all the same fixes you described, including a host of 3rd party apps. Among these aps were a number of trouble shooting tools that confirmed the screen was telling windows it supported 120hz.



While I never got it working I've found a few promising lessons. On driver version 179.69 the samsung DID display in 120hz, and the 3Dvision software from the CD loaded, though it did not integrate into the NVidia control panel. It was only when I upgraded to 185.85 (and 190.62) that the adapter refused to see anything other than 60hz.



I'm 100% convinced it is a driver limitation and that is especialy disapointing considering the hardware is nearly identical to its desktop cousin (the 9800). Perhaps NVidia won't ignore our 600$ investments for screens and glasses by contenueing to let such an easily fixed problem slide.



That is really interesting you had the monitor at 120hz with the 179.69 driver. It makes me wonder if you could take whatever file tells the driver which refresh rates are acceptable and swap it into the 190.62 driver. I'll probably give it a shot when I get home, I'm just not sure which files this would be.



I also found this on EVGA's website -





04/27/2009 3:52:06 PM NVIDIA_Philip Q : stylinpat: Will the new GeForce GTX 260M and GTX 280M be supported with 3D vision? A : yes we are working on this for future driver releases. You'll just need a dual link DVI connection for LCDs and HDMI connection for DLPs (assuming you're using an external display to view the content)




That looks like good news, but when? This thing is taunting me just sitting here. I'm dieing to play some Fallout 3 in 3D.

#5
Posted 09/02/2009 03:24 PM   
Ok, so are you using the dual-link DVI cable that comes with the monitor or another cable, something like DVI to HDMI etc? You must use dual-link DVI in order to be able to switch to 120Hz, because the single link cables are not able to provide enough badwidth ti support 120 Hz at high resolutions, so usually then your monitor gets recognizes as 60Hz only.
Ok, so are you using the dual-link DVI cable that comes with the monitor or another cable, something like DVI to HDMI etc? You must use dual-link DVI in order to be able to switch to 120Hz, because the single link cables are not able to provide enough badwidth ti support 120 Hz at high resolutions, so usually then your monitor gets recognizes as 60Hz only.

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#6
Posted 09/02/2009 04:06 PM   
Hm, how long do you think it will be before Laptops COME with 120hz displays ??

That would be sweet.
Hm, how long do you think it will be before Laptops COME with 120hz displays ??



That would be sweet.

#7
Posted 09/02/2009 04:18 PM   
[quote name='Paperninja' post='584656' date='Sep 2 2009, 11:17 AM']I'm actually using the Dual Link DVI cable with the DVI out on my laptop. The cable comes with the monitor. The only difference between the "Dual Link" cable and a normal one is that the missing pins in the center of the DVI cable are filled in. It kinda makes you wonder why all dvi cables weren't like that to begin with since all adapters already had holes for the pins. O_o[/quote]
I have 3D Vision running off a Dell Xps m1730, so I know it can work. I don't see why it isn't working for you. Your running video driver version 190.62, but what 3D Vision drivers are you running 1.11?
[quote name='Paperninja' post='584656' date='Sep 2 2009, 11:17 AM']I'm actually using the Dual Link DVI cable with the DVI out on my laptop. The cable comes with the monitor. The only difference between the "Dual Link" cable and a normal one is that the missing pins in the center of the DVI cable are filled in. It kinda makes you wonder why all dvi cables weren't like that to begin with since all adapters already had holes for the pins. O_o

I have 3D Vision running off a Dell Xps m1730, so I know it can work. I don't see why it isn't working for you. Your running video driver version 190.62, but what 3D Vision drivers are you running 1.11?

#8
Posted 09/02/2009 04:44 PM   
[quote name='sometreknerd' post='584704' date='Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM']I have 3D Vision running off a Dell Xps m1730, so I know it can work. I don't see why it isn't working for you. Your running video driver version 190.62, but what 3D Vision drivers are you running 1.11?[/quote]

I'm using 190.62 w/ 1.11. The laptop is a Sager NP5797. Now the interesting thing is that your video card in the Dell is a MXM 3.0 card while mine is a MXM 2.1 card. I'm really hoping this isn't a hardware limitation with the MXM 2.1 slot cards. The whole thing is making me anxious and I'm wondering if I should just return it.



edit: you guys are letting me down here. I thought we would be able to combine our nerd powers and get this up and running. =(
[quote name='sometreknerd' post='584704' date='Sep 2 2009, 11:44 AM']I have 3D Vision running off a Dell Xps m1730, so I know it can work. I don't see why it isn't working for you. Your running video driver version 190.62, but what 3D Vision drivers are you running 1.11?



I'm using 190.62 w/ 1.11. The laptop is a Sager NP5797. Now the interesting thing is that your video card in the Dell is a MXM 3.0 card while mine is a MXM 2.1 card. I'm really hoping this isn't a hardware limitation with the MXM 2.1 slot cards. The whole thing is making me anxious and I'm wondering if I should just return it.







edit: you guys are letting me down here. I thought we would be able to combine our nerd powers and get this up and running. =(

#9
Posted 09/02/2009 05:53 PM   
[quote name='Paperninja' post='584721' date='Sep 2 2009, 01:53 PM']I'm using 190.62 w/ 1.11. The laptop is a Sager NP5797. Now the interesting thing is that your video card in the Dell is a MXM 3.0 card while mine is a MXM 2.1 card. I'm really hoping this isn't a hardware limitation with the MXM 2.1 slot cards. The whole thing is making me anxious and I'm wondering if I should just return it.



edit: you guys are letting me down here. I thought we would be able to combine our nerd powers and get this up and running. =([/quote]
According to Nvidia's website the m280 is a MXM 3.0 card. Even still I don't think it's a hardware problem. Maybe it's the modded Inf file. Try reinstalling the drivers with the inf file from www.laptopvideo2go.com. It might work.
[quote name='Paperninja' post='584721' date='Sep 2 2009, 01:53 PM']I'm using 190.62 w/ 1.11. The laptop is a Sager NP5797. Now the interesting thing is that your video card in the Dell is a MXM 3.0 card while mine is a MXM 2.1 card. I'm really hoping this isn't a hardware limitation with the MXM 2.1 slot cards. The whole thing is making me anxious and I'm wondering if I should just return it.







edit: you guys are letting me down here. I thought we would be able to combine our nerd powers and get this up and running. =(

According to Nvidia's website the m280 is a MXM 3.0 card. Even still I don't think it's a hardware problem. Maybe it's the modded Inf file. Try reinstalling the drivers with the inf file from www.laptopvideo2go.com. It might work.

#10
Posted 09/02/2009 08:45 PM   
[quote name='sometreknerd' post='584779' date='Sep 2 2009, 03:45 PM']According to Nvidia's website the m280 is a MXM 3.0 card. Even still I don't think it's a hardware problem. Maybe it's the modded Inf file. Try reinstalling the drivers with the inf file from www.laptopvideo2go.com. It might work.[/quote]

That's where I got my modded inf. No dice. I know you have an MXM 3.0 card because your default graphic memory speed is 950. Mine is 800. The 280m comes in two card flavors MXM 3.0 and 2.1. The cards with the 800mhz memory are MXM 2.1 cards.
[quote name='sometreknerd' post='584779' date='Sep 2 2009, 03:45 PM']According to Nvidia's website the m280 is a MXM 3.0 card. Even still I don't think it's a hardware problem. Maybe it's the modded Inf file. Try reinstalling the drivers with the inf file from www.laptopvideo2go.com. It might work.



That's where I got my modded inf. No dice. I know you have an MXM 3.0 card because your default graphic memory speed is 950. Mine is 800. The 280m comes in two card flavors MXM 3.0 and 2.1. The cards with the 800mhz memory are MXM 2.1 cards.

#11
Posted 09/02/2009 10:03 PM   
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#12
Posted 09/03/2009 11:23 AM   
Don't flash your 280m bios to a 9800gtx. It's bad. I still haven't figured out a work-around for this.
Don't flash your 280m bios to a 9800gtx. It's bad. I still haven't figured out a work-around for this.

#13
Posted 09/03/2009 11:24 AM   
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#14
Posted 09/03/2009 11:24 AM   
Hi guys, I've got exactly the same problem, I can't run the samsung rz2233 in 120Hz, anyone has figured this out ? :)
Hi guys, I've got exactly the same problem, I can't run the samsung rz2233 in 120Hz, anyone has figured this out ? :)

#15
Posted 10/16/2009 04:42 PM   
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