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[quote="terintamel"][quote="helifax"]I honestly don't know what to say here... I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen... And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues. What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^ For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies. What motherboard do you have exactly?;) PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)[/quote] Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0 [url]http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov[/url][/quote] I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues. Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060. Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.
terintamel said:
helifax said:I honestly don't know what to say here...

I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen...
And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues.

What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^

For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies.
What motherboard do you have exactly?;)

PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)

Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov


I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues.

Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060.

Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

Posted 09/15/2016 11:47 PM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"] So, what now?[/quote] See if can OC our CPUs past 5.0 Ghz? ^_^ (Now where is that canister of liquid nitrogen I bought the other day...Hmmm...) ^_^
RAGEdemon said:
So, what now?


See if can OC our CPUs past 5.0 Ghz? ^_^ (Now where is that canister of liquid nitrogen I bought the other day...Hmmm...) ^_^

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

Posted 09/15/2016 11:49 PM   
[quote="terintamel"][quote="terintamel"][quote="helifax"]I honestly don't know what to say here... I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen... And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues. What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^ For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies. What motherboard do you have exactly?;) PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)[/quote] Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0 [url]http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov[/url][/quote] I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues. Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060. Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.[/quote] I'm sorry mate but your 'results' are purely anecdotal. Your old systems cannot possibly hope to run the games currently being talked about, so saying that your old system had no flaws while your current system does is a flawed conclusion. :( The games we are talking about now are mostly designed for next gen consoles. Why don't you load up some very old games you used to play on your old systems. I can practically guarantee that they won't be 'hitching' in 3D Vision.
terintamel said:
terintamel said:
helifax said:I honestly don't know what to say here...

I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen...
And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues.

What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^

For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies.
What motherboard do you have exactly?;)

PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)

Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov


I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues.

Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060.

Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.


I'm sorry mate but your 'results' are purely anecdotal. Your old systems cannot possibly hope to run the games currently being talked about, so saying that your old system had no flaws while your current system does is a flawed conclusion. :(

The games we are talking about now are mostly designed for next gen consoles.

Why don't you load up some very old games you used to play on your old systems. I can practically guarantee that they won't be 'hitching' in 3D Vision.

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

Posted 09/15/2016 11:53 PM   
@terintamel I think the next step is to make a dual boot....install win 7 and test. Win10 indeed have cause some issues in 3D and troubles in our fixes, not to mention the anniversary update s**t...so can be a possibility. Also make sure all your drivers on the MB are up to date, and all the settings in the BIOS are properly configured. If this don't work...your only option is to upgrade your MB and buy an intel CPU (i7).
@terintamel

I think the next step is to make a dual boot....install win 7 and test. Win10 indeed have cause some issues in 3D and troubles in our fixes, not to mention the anniversary update s**t...so can be a possibility.

Also make sure all your drivers on the MB are up to date, and all the settings in the BIOS are properly configured.

If this don't work...your only option is to upgrade your MB and buy an intel CPU (i7).

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Posted 09/15/2016 11:55 PM   
[quote="terintamel"][quote="terintamel"][quote="helifax"]I honestly don't know what to say here... I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen... And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues. What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^ For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies. What motherboard do you have exactly?;) PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)[/quote] Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0 [url]http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov[/url][/quote] I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues. Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060. Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.[/quote] Yeah:( I still think a Win7 test would be good though. It never hurts to try! I mean Windows 10 is "prettier" perhaps cause it uses the simplified themes and whatever.... but Windows 7 is a very SOLID OS. Basically, what I want to say is that I couldn't use Windows 10 on my rig for 6 months after the release as it was a mess (3D Vision + SLI + Surround). There still are issues with the drivers here and there between Win 7 and Win 10 as there is a new WDDM, but we managed to get all the core and important things sorted out, in the end;) I still have games that run way better on Win7 (Dreamfall Chapters for example that is DX9. In Win 10 I get 15 FPS... in Win 7 I get 50....so...). If going back to windows 7 would solve this issue, at least we know there is a workaround and then we can ask Nvidia to investigate !!! Win7: Driver X -> Working Perfectly. Win 10: Driver X -> Working like crap. Clearly driver issue;) I know is not fun installing another OS just to test this, but I can't see another way of trying to narrow it down:( (I actually bought another SSD just to have Windows 7 installed on it so I can boot into it whenever I need it). Sadly PC gaming is not exactly like console gaming, but I find it much more interesting from the technological point of view;) At least, you never get bored of "tweaking your PC" ^_^
terintamel said:
terintamel said:
helifax said:I honestly don't know what to say here...

I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen...
And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues.

What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^

For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies.
What motherboard do you have exactly?;)

PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)

Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov


I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues.

Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060.

Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.


Yeah:(
I still think a Win7 test would be good though. It never hurts to try! I mean Windows 10 is "prettier" perhaps cause it uses the simplified themes and whatever.... but Windows 7 is a very SOLID OS.
Basically, what I want to say is that I couldn't use Windows 10 on my rig for 6 months after the release as it was a mess (3D Vision + SLI + Surround). There still are issues with the drivers here and there between Win 7 and Win 10 as there is a new WDDM, but we managed to get all the core and important things sorted out, in the end;)
I still have games that run way better on Win7 (Dreamfall Chapters for example that is DX9. In Win 10 I get 15 FPS... in Win 7 I get 50....so...).

If going back to windows 7 would solve this issue, at least we know there is a workaround and then we can ask Nvidia to investigate !!! Win7: Driver X -> Working Perfectly. Win 10: Driver X -> Working like crap. Clearly driver issue;)

I know is not fun installing another OS just to test this, but I can't see another way of trying to narrow it down:( (I actually bought another SSD just to have Windows 7 installed on it so I can boot into it whenever I need it).
Sadly PC gaming is not exactly like console gaming, but I find it much more interesting from the technological point of view;) At least, you never get bored of "tweaking your PC" ^_^

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

Posted 09/15/2016 11:56 PM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"] I thank you for inadvertently corroborating my results. I know you don't want to hear that we don't know how to fix this issue or whether it is even fixable at all. All we know is that a better IPC is the best that we can aim for at the moment.[/quote] It is not what I want to hear, but it does make me feel somewhat better. I know odd right? I feel better because this issue is most likely then not a defect in my system, but a flaw in 3dvision. If the flaw gets fixed great, but if this is truly the issue then I now know (for the moment) how to get around it. Should this flaw still exist upon my next upgrade then I will have to look for the CPU with the best IPC per core that I can afford. At this point unless Nvidia asks for more information I am probably going to stop my tests and just enjoy the games that work in 3d without stutter in 3d and the ones that stutter just have to get by in 2d. I may still, if in the mood, try out Win 7 to see if @helifax suspects is true. At this point though it may be a few weeks before I get where I feel I can spend that type of time.
RAGEdemon said:

I thank you for inadvertently corroborating my results. I know you don't want to hear that we don't know how to fix this issue or whether it is even fixable at all. All we know is that a better IPC is the best that we can aim for at the moment.


It is not what I want to hear, but it does make me feel somewhat better. I know odd right? I feel better because this issue is most likely then not a defect in my system, but a flaw in 3dvision. If the flaw gets fixed great, but if this is truly the issue then I now know (for the moment) how to get around it.

Should this flaw still exist upon my next upgrade then I will have to look for the CPU with the best IPC per core that I can afford.

At this point unless Nvidia asks for more information I am probably going to stop my tests and just enjoy the games that work in 3d without stutter in 3d and the ones that stutter just have to get by in 2d.

I may still, if in the mood, try out Win 7 to see if @helifax suspects is true. At this point though it may be a few weeks before I get where I feel I can spend that type of time.

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

Posted 09/15/2016 11:59 PM   
[quote="helifax"][quote="RAGEdemon"] So, what now?[/quote] See if can OC our CPUs past 5.0 Ghz? ^_^ (Now where is that canister of liquid nitrogen I bought the other day...Hmmm...) ^_^[/quote] Hehe I don't know whether to laugh or to cry, so I'll do both ;'-D
helifax said:
RAGEdemon said:
So, what now?


See if can OC our CPUs past 5.0 Ghz? ^_^ (Now where is that canister of liquid nitrogen I bought the other day...Hmmm...) ^_^


Hehe I don't know whether to laugh or to cry, so I'll do both ;'-D

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

Posted 09/16/2016 12:00 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"][quote="helifax"][quote="RAGEdemon"] So, what now?[/quote] See if can OC our CPUs past 5.0 Ghz? ^_^ (Now where is that canister of liquid nitrogen I bought the other day...Hmmm...) ^_^[/quote] Hehe I don't know whether to laugh or to cry, so I'll do both ;'-D[/quote] That liquid nitrogen is for me. I drink that and I don't care anymore :)))
RAGEdemon said:
helifax said:
RAGEdemon said:
So, what now?


See if can OC our CPUs past 5.0 Ghz? ^_^ (Now where is that canister of liquid nitrogen I bought the other day...Hmmm...) ^_^


Hehe I don't know whether to laugh or to cry, so I'll do both ;'-D


That liquid nitrogen is for me. I drink that and I don't care anymore :)))

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

Posted 09/16/2016 12:14 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"][quote="terintamel"][quote="terintamel"][quote="helifax"]I honestly don't know what to say here... I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen... And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues. What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^ For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies. What motherboard do you have exactly?;) PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)[/quote] Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0 [url]http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov[/url][/quote] I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues. Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060. Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.[/quote] I'm sorry mate but your 'results' are purely anecdotal. Your old systems cannot possibly hope to run the games currently being talked about, so saying that your old system had no flaws while your current system does is a flawed conclusion. :( The games we are talking about now are mostly designed for next gen consoles. Why don't you load up some very old games you used to play on your old systems. I can practically guarantee that they won't be 'hitching' in 3D Vision. [/quote] You would be surprised how long I held onto my Phenom and 660ti combo. I did not upgrade to the FX-8350 until the end of 2014. I ran FC3, Arkham Origins, Arkham City/Asylum, Tomb Raider 2013, and others in 3d on that system with low fps for sure, but no stuttering. I am not arguing, but letting you know that two of the main games I now use in my test for issues I did run on the old system. Just an FYI.
RAGEdemon said:
terintamel said:
terintamel said:
helifax said:I honestly don't know what to say here...

I think I said in a previous post, that I also run an AMD CPU with 3D Vision and had HUGE issues: stuttering, freezing, crashing, not loading, not detecting 3D Screen, not synching properly between glasses & screen...
And this was back in 2010 ... Since I ditched the AMD platform and went Intel all the way + Nvidia + 3D Vision I had basically zero issues.

What was a driver issue, I could reproduce and Nvidia got it fixed... Problem is, Andrew is not with Nvidia 3D Vision anymore or else he would have asked you to ship your PC;) ^_^

For some weird reason, I am not inclined to put the blame on the AMD CPU, but actually on the motherboard chipset/controller. I think there is where the problem actually lies.
What motherboard do you have exactly?;)

PS: Sorry for thinking out loud;)

Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4672#ov


I don't know what to say either the last intel CPU I had was a Celeron 300A and I've been AMD/3dfx or AMD/Nvidia since then and cannot recall one time that running an AMD system w/Nvidia GPU caused me issues.

Before I upgraded to the fx-8350 I ran a Phenom II X4 955BE w/660ti (everything except MB the same as it is now) and never recall having any of these issues I described. I then upgraded MB/CPU to my current FX-8350 keeping the same 660ti and did not see these issues either. I really did not notice these issues until I upgraded to Win 10 from 8.1, upgraded drivers from 337.88 to the ones that support Win 10/my gpu, and upgraded my GPU from the 660ti to the GTX 1060.

Everything you guys says makes sense on the one hand and at the same time doesn't always jive with my results.


I'm sorry mate but your 'results' are purely anecdotal. Your old systems cannot possibly hope to run the games currently being talked about, so saying that your old system had no flaws while your current system does is a flawed conclusion. :(

The games we are talking about now are mostly designed for next gen consoles.

Why don't you load up some very old games you used to play on your old systems. I can practically guarantee that they won't be 'hitching' in 3D Vision.



You would be surprised how long I held onto my Phenom and 660ti combo. I did not upgrade to the FX-8350 until the end of 2014. I ran FC3, Arkham Origins, Arkham City/Asylum, Tomb Raider 2013, and others in 3d on that system with low fps for sure, but no stuttering. I am not arguing, but letting you know that two of the main games I now use in my test for issues I did run on the old system. Just an FYI.

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

Posted 09/16/2016 12:16 AM   
Mate, that is because the bottleneck was the 660ti, not the CPU at the time, which gave you some consistency in max/min/average FPS. Now, however, the CPU is the bottleneck while the GPU is comparatively overpowered. In other words, you are still getting the minimum FPS you were getting with the 660Ti. It's just now that your average / max FPS are astronomically higher. The huge variance between the 2 extremes are manifesting in this idea that the 660ti didn't stutter. Do you recall what average FPS you got in those games with the 660ti? Use NVInspector to cap your current FPS with your 1060 to the average FPS you got with your 660ti, and you will see that you will magically have not-so-stuttery FPS but at a low 660ti performance :)
Mate, that is because the bottleneck was the 660ti, not the CPU at the time, which gave you some consistency in max/min/average FPS. Now, however, the CPU is the bottleneck while the GPU is comparatively overpowered.

In other words, you are still getting the minimum FPS you were getting with the 660Ti. It's just now that your average / max FPS are astronomically higher. The huge variance between the 2 extremes are manifesting in this idea that the 660ti didn't stutter.

Do you recall what average FPS you got in those games with the 660ti?

Use NVInspector to cap your current FPS with your 1060 to the average FPS you got with your 660ti, and you will see that you will magically have not-so-stuttery FPS but at a low 660ti performance :)

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Posted 09/16/2016 12:29 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]Mate, that is because the bottleneck was the 660ti, not the CPU at the time, which gave you some consistency in max/min/average FPS. Now, however, the CPU is the bottleneck while the GPU is comparatively overpowered. In other words, you are still getting the minimum FPS you were getting with the 660Ti. It's just now that your average / max FPS are astronomically higher. The huge variance between the 2 extremes are manifesting in this idea that the 660ti didn't stutter. Do you recall what average FPS you got in those games with the 660ti? Use NVInspector to cap your current FPS with your 1060 to the average FPS you got with your 660ti, and you will see that you will magically have not-so-stuttery FPS but at a low 660ti performance :) [/quote] I did do that. You must have missed my post where I capped Arkham Origins and FC3 to 30fps and the same stuttering/GPU usage issues with 3dVision enabled continued. [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/832496/3d-vision/3d-vision-cpu-core-bottleneck/post/4976672/#4976672[/url] Basically capping the framerate did not stop the GPU usage/framerate from dropping to the same levels as uncapped.
RAGEdemon said:Mate, that is because the bottleneck was the 660ti, not the CPU at the time, which gave you some consistency in max/min/average FPS. Now, however, the CPU is the bottleneck while the GPU is comparatively overpowered.

In other words, you are still getting the minimum FPS you were getting with the 660Ti. It's just now that your average / max FPS are astronomically higher. The huge variance between the 2 extremes are manifesting in this idea that the 660ti didn't stutter.

Do you recall what average FPS you got in those games with the 660ti?

Use NVInspector to cap your current FPS with your 1060 to the average FPS you got with your 660ti, and you will see that you will magically have not-so-stuttery FPS but at a low 660ti performance :)

I did do that. You must have missed my post where I capped Arkham Origins and FC3 to 30fps and the same stuttering/GPU usage issues with 3dVision enabled continued.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/832496/3d-vision/3d-vision-cpu-core-bottleneck/post/4976672/#4976672

Basically capping the framerate did not stop the GPU usage/framerate from dropping to the same levels as uncapped.

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Posted 09/16/2016 12:46 AM   
[quote="terintamel"] Basically capping the framerate did not stop the GPU usage/framerate from dropping to the same levels as uncapped.[/quote] Well of course not :) It's not meant to mate, as I explained in my previous post. All you are meant to notice is a replication of having your old 660ti in there, i.e. there is not such a high variance so the stutter is less noticeable. You will still get the same minimum FPS as its a CPU limit. Regarding the post you refer me to, in that post, you yourself say: [quote="terintamel"] Still get the same stutter except the frame rate drop during the hitch is not as noticeable because I am already at 30fps[/quote] That is the result straight from the horses proverbial mouth. Now you are replicating your 660ti, and as I have said in my previous post, this is the reason you think the stutter was not present with your 660ti. It was there, just not as noticeable :)
terintamel said:

Basically capping the framerate did not stop the GPU usage/framerate from dropping to the same levels as uncapped.



Well of course not :)

It's not meant to mate, as I explained in my previous post. All you are meant to notice is a replication of having your old 660ti in there, i.e. there is not such a high variance so the stutter is less noticeable. You will still get the same minimum FPS as its a CPU limit.

Regarding the post you refer me to, in that post, you yourself say:

terintamel said:
Still get the same stutter except the frame rate drop during the hitch is not as noticeable because I am already at 30fps


That is the result straight from the horses proverbial mouth. Now you are replicating your 660ti, and as I have said in my previous post, this is the reason you think the stutter was not present with your 660ti. It was there, just not as noticeable :)

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Posted 09/16/2016 01:08 AM   
Well I'll just have to disagree and leave it there. The fps drop is not as noticeable, but the stutter is just as noticeable. The low fps is NOT my issue. It is the freezes and stalls. I know for 100% fact that they did not run that way before. Lower fps yes. Hard pauses and hitches no. Let's just leave this one alone as I am apparently failing to properly articulate my issue. I will try to refrain from posting again until I get around to trying the games on Win 7.
Well I'll just have to disagree and leave it there. The fps drop is not as noticeable, but the stutter is just as noticeable. The low fps is NOT my issue. It is the freezes and stalls. I know for 100% fact that they did not run that way before. Lower fps yes. Hard pauses and hitches no.

Let's just leave this one alone as I am apparently failing to properly articulate my issue.

I will try to refrain from posting again until I get around to trying the games on Win 7.

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Posted 09/16/2016 01:16 AM   
No worries mate, best of luck to you. But I hope you understand our confusion... Post 1 from you says: [quote="terintamel"] hitch is not as noticeable because I am already at 30fps [/quote] Then now you say: [quote="terintamel"] I know for 100% fact that they did not run that way before. Lower fps yes. Hard pauses and hitches no. [/quote] BTW, so that we are clear, a "hitch" or a "stutter" is a manifestation of a sudden spike to low FPS, thus minimum FPS is very relevant in our context. Anyway, I am going to bet that Windows 7 will not yield you any different results. As always, I love learning and would love to be proven wrong however :)
No worries mate, best of luck to you.

But I hope you understand our confusion...

Post 1 from you says:

terintamel said: hitch is not as noticeable because I am already at 30fps


Then now you say:

terintamel said: I know for 100% fact that they did not run that way before. Lower fps yes. Hard pauses and hitches no.


BTW, so that we are clear, a "hitch" or a "stutter" is a manifestation of a sudden spike to low FPS, thus minimum FPS is very relevant in our context.

Anyway, I am going to bet that Windows 7 will not yield you any different results. As always, I love learning and would love to be proven wrong however :)

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Posted 09/16/2016 01:24 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"] BTW, so that we are clear, a "hitch" or a "stutter" is a manifestation of a sudden spike to low FPS, thus minimum FPS is very relevant in our context. [/quote] Ok by that definition then I will describe my issue (that I did not have before) is that the FPS/GPU usage drops suddenly and drastically to levels lower than I got on my 660ti. So in Arkham Origins where I got ~40 fps with gradual drops to ~30 during complex scenes I now get ~60-70fps with drastic drops to below 20fps. During these drops the GPU usage sometimes goes to less than 5%. One thing I mentioned in the other thread is that the issues I have in Arkham Origins are exactly the same issue I had in Win 8.1 on my 660ti if I upgraded to any driver version over 337.88. [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/809465/3d-vision/poor-3dvision-performance-in-all-batman-arkham-games/1/[/url] I see now how I am not always being consistent in my descriptions. I will work on being more accurate in the future.
RAGEdemon said:

BTW, so that we are clear, a "hitch" or a "stutter" is a manifestation of a sudden spike to low FPS, thus minimum FPS is very relevant in our context.

Ok by that definition then I will describe my issue (that I did not have before) is that the FPS/GPU usage drops suddenly and drastically to levels lower than I got on my 660ti. So in Arkham Origins where I got ~40 fps with gradual drops to ~30 during complex scenes I now get ~60-70fps with drastic drops to below 20fps. During these drops the GPU usage sometimes goes to less than 5%.

One thing I mentioned in the other thread is that the issues I have in Arkham Origins are exactly the same issue I had in Win 8.1 on my 660ti if I upgraded to any driver version over 337.88. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/809465/3d-vision/poor-3dvision-performance-in-all-batman-arkham-games/1/
I see now how I am not always being consistent in my descriptions. I will work on being more accurate in the future.

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Posted 09/16/2016 01:32 AM   
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