So I purchased an i7 7700 k new for 50 dollars on ebay... I have a feeling something will happen and I wont get it, but it was worth the risk since it's paypal, and I will get my money back if it doesn't go through. I'll keep you guys posted on that.
So I purchased an i7 7700 k new for 50 dollars on ebay... I have a feeling something will happen and I wont get it, but it was worth the risk since it's paypal, and I will get my money back if it doesn't go through. I'll keep you guys posted on that.
Cool!
I remember you were interested in frame times. I came across the following:
https://techreport.com/review/31546/where-minimum-fps-figures-mislead-frame-time-analysis-shines
[quote="RAGEdemon"]Cool!
I remember you were interested in frame times. I came across the following:
https://techreport.com/review/31546/where-minimum-fps-figures-mislead-frame-time-analysis-shines
[/quote]What an outstanding article. They are coming out with better and better ways to evaluate hardware. Average fps has been the staple for so long and it's really misleading. Minimum frames caught fire too, but that can be extremely misleading if we are talking about an outlier. It reminds me in basketball how raw field goal percentage was the staple to measure efficiency for years, and now it's pretty much useless (yet some people still use it).
If I somehow manage to get this 7700 k for that cheap i'll be jumping for joy. 99 percent tile frametime gives you way more useful information. with 11-12 MS frametimes in gta v and crysis 3 it tells you that an ideal framerate cap of 90 fps would be the most ideal for consistent frametime delivery which is incredible for both games.
What an outstanding article. They are coming out with better and better ways to evaluate hardware. Average fps has been the staple for so long and it's really misleading. Minimum frames caught fire too, but that can be extremely misleading if we are talking about an outlier. It reminds me in basketball how raw field goal percentage was the staple to measure efficiency for years, and now it's pretty much useless (yet some people still use it).
If I somehow manage to get this 7700 k for that cheap i'll be jumping for joy. 99 percent tile frametime gives you way more useful information. with 11-12 MS frametimes in gta v and crysis 3 it tells you that an ideal framerate cap of 90 fps would be the most ideal for consistent frametime delivery which is incredible for both games.
Everyone is comparing Ryzen 1700X (not even the 1800X) to the 7700k.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate.
Everyone is comparing Ryzen 1700X (not even the 1800X) to the 7700k.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate.
[quote="GibsonRed"]Everyone is comparing Ryzen 1700X (not even the 1800X) to the 7700k.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate. [/quote]
4Ghz is the limit atm, it's very likely the lower models will not go any higher.
Ryzens require +1.4vcore to clock over 4Ghz, and the minimal gains of 50 to 100Mhz are not justified.
GibsonRed said:Everyone is comparing Ryzen 1700X (not even the 1800X) to the 7700k.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate.
4Ghz is the limit atm, it's very likely the lower models will not go any higher.
Ryzens require +1.4vcore to clock over 4Ghz, and the minimal gains of 50 to 100Mhz are not justified.
Ryzen 1700X 3.9GHz | Asrock X370 Taichi | 16GB G.Skill
GTX 1080 Ti SLI | 850W EVGA P2 | Win7x64
Asus VG278HR | Panasonic TX-58EX750B 4K Active 3D
[quote="GibsonRed"]Everyone is comparing Ryzen 1700X (not even the 1800X) to the 7700k.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate. [/quote]I think the issue is that even clock for clock it isn't going to beat up skylake or kabylake. You can take a look at stock kabylake or skylake performance and compare it to 4ghz ryzen. The performance isn't there. It's not like Ryzen is a dog or anything. Personally I think 6 cores 12 threads is the sweet spot right now. I'd love a kaby lake mainstream 6 core with slightly lower clocks.
GibsonRed said:Everyone is comparing Ryzen 1700X (not even the 1800X) to the 7700k.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate.
I think the issue is that even clock for clock it isn't going to beat up skylake or kabylake. You can take a look at stock kabylake or skylake performance and compare it to 4ghz ryzen. The performance isn't there. It's not like Ryzen is a dog or anything. Personally I think 6 cores 12 threads is the sweet spot right now. I'd love a kaby lake mainstream 6 core with slightly lower clocks.
[quote="GibsonRed"]4.0 ghz on the 8 core chips......
I think you missed my point.
[/quote]
I think what mihabolil is saying is that a 6900K OCs to 4.4GHz quite easily on all cores; while Ryzen has difficulty @ even 4; and that this will also translate into 4 core Ryzen clocking - can't expect it to magically go near 6700/7700K overclocks etc.
Only time will tell if anything will translate to better gaming performance, I guess.
GibsonRed said:4.0 ghz on the 8 core chips......
I think you missed my point.
I think what mihabolil is saying is that a 6900K OCs to 4.4GHz quite easily on all cores; while Ryzen has difficulty @ even 4; and that this will also translate into 4 core Ryzen clocking - can't expect it to magically go near 6700/7700K overclocks etc.
Only time will tell if anything will translate to better gaming performance, I guess.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
The 4 core rysens could be a different chip, ppl say APU with disabled graphics, but only AMD knows for sure.
Atm there is no hopes for clocks higher than 4.1Ghz, however there is some rumors for [URL="https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-8#post-38775732"]rysens performing better on win 7 machines[/url]
The 4 core rysens could be a different chip, ppl say APU with disabled graphics, but only AMD knows for sure.
Atm there is no hopes for clocks higher than 4.1Ghz, however there is some rumors for rysens performing better on win 7 machines
Ryzen 1700X 3.9GHz | Asrock X370 Taichi | 16GB G.Skill
GTX 1080 Ti SLI | 850W EVGA P2 | Win7x64
Asus VG278HR | Panasonic TX-58EX750B 4K Active 3D
Whats wrong with the producers. There should not be a need to over clock. The cpus should be ready out of the box
Running at high Speed i think
CoreX9 Custom watercooling (valkswagen polo radiator)
I7-8700k@4.7
TitanX pascal with shitty stock cooler
Win7/10
Video: Passive 3D fullhd 3D@60hz/channel Denon x1200w /Hc5 x 2 Geobox501->eeColorBoxes->polarizers/omega filttersCustom made silverscreen
Ocupation: Enterprenior.Painting/surfacing/constructions
Interests/skills:
3D gaming,3D movies, 3D printing,Drums, Bass and guitar.
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Okay, so I caved and got a 7700 k earlier than I would have liked. Of course the 50 dolllar one didnt go through, lol. I got it for 309 off new egg's ebay account.
So I need help picking out a motherboard. Here is what I have in mind:
MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON
ASUS PRIME Z270-A
Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
im leaning towads the MSI board, but I value everybodies input. The case im going to get is the corsair air 740. I have an old corsair 750 watt power supply from my i7 860 build that I didn't plan on replacing. It's non modular of course. DO you guys think I should keep it?
I plan on going with a corsair AIO cooler as well.
Okay, so I caved and got a 7700 k earlier than I would have liked. Of course the 50 dolllar one didnt go through, lol. I got it for 309 off new egg's ebay account.
So I need help picking out a motherboard. Here is what I have in mind:
MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON
ASUS PRIME Z270-A
Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
im leaning towads the MSI board, but I value everybodies input. The case im going to get is the corsair air 740. I have an old corsair 750 watt power supply from my i7 860 build that I didn't plan on replacing. It's non modular of course. DO you guys think I should keep it?
I plan on going with a corsair AIO cooler as well.
@tygeezy
I used to only purchase ASUS but one RMA 6 times back on laptop with a bad screen made me swear I would never purchase ASUS again.
I now purchase Gigabyte never had any trouble but to fair I never RMA product back to them.
[quote="zig11727"]@tygeezy
I used to only purchase ASUS but one RMA 6 times back on laptop with a bad screen made me swear I would never purchase ASUS again.
I now purchase Gigabyte never had any trouble but to fair I never RMA product back to them.
[/quote]I ended up going with the msi board. I like their software, bios, and the board reviews were great. I actually have an asus for my graphics card (1070). I also ordered the corsair air 740 case. Going to go with the corsair h100I v2 for my cooler.
I used to only purchase ASUS but one RMA 6 times back on laptop with a bad screen made me swear I would never purchase ASUS again.
I now purchase Gigabyte never had any trouble but to fair I never RMA product back to them.
I ended up going with the msi board. I like their software, bios, and the board reviews were great. I actually have an asus for my graphics card (1070). I also ordered the corsair air 740 case. Going to go with the corsair h100I v2 for my cooler.
[quote="tygeezy"][quote="zig11727"]@tygeezy
I used to only purchase ASUS but one RMA 6 times back on laptop with a bad screen made me swear I would never purchase ASUS again.
I now purchase Gigabyte never had any trouble but to fair I never RMA product back to them.
[/quote]I ended up going with the msi board. I like their software, bios, and the board reviews were great. I actually have an asus for my graphics card (1070). I also ordered the corsair air 740 case. Going to go with the corsair h100I v2 for my cooler.[/quote]
Enjoy
I used to only purchase ASUS but one RMA 6 times back on laptop with a bad screen made me swear I would never purchase ASUS again.
I now purchase Gigabyte never had any trouble but to fair I never RMA product back to them.
I ended up going with the msi board. I like their software, bios, and the board reviews were great. I actually have an asus for my graphics card (1070). I also ordered the corsair air 740 case. Going to go with the corsair h100I v2 for my cooler.
Enjoy
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
Great! Best of luck with the build!
The PSU should be fine for non-SLi.
For any future purchasers tho might read this:
As zig11727, ASUS isn't what it used to be. I have been buying top end ASUS boards for the last 15 years. Now, customer service and forums are a bit of a joke. I tried reporting a BIOS issue, and customer service team made it a point to try and misunderstand my bug report. After describing it for the 5th time, I requested to speak to an engineer - they sent me a form which they apparently sent to the development team. Nothing since, and no fixes. 2 months after a new board release and they still have the same BIOS that shipped with boards on day one. This is all on one of their most premium boards.
They also had a forum bug which wouldn't let you register for the first few weeks. I tweeted them about it, - no response and no other way to contact unless already registered. I ended up having to register in a round-about way from one of their other sites, the importing my registration into the forum, I was successful. I sent email to admin, and they tell me they are aware of the problem - for 2 weeks after launch, no-one could register to help each other out. simple problem to fix but no-one seemed to care to fix it.
ASUS might make decent products, but how it currently functions, especially regarding customer service on even premium products, it's a disgrace.
Any thoughts on RAM purchase?
For any future purchasers tho might read this:
As zig11727, ASUS isn't what it used to be. I have been buying top end ASUS boards for the last 15 years. Now, customer service and forums are a bit of a joke. I tried reporting a BIOS issue, and customer service team made it a point to try and misunderstand my bug report. After describing it for the 5th time, I requested to speak to an engineer - they sent me a form which they apparently sent to the development team. Nothing since, and no fixes. 2 months after a new board release and they still have the same BIOS that shipped with boards on day one. This is all on one of their most premium boards.
They also had a forum bug which wouldn't let you register for the first few weeks. I tweeted them about it, - no response and no other way to contact unless already registered. I ended up having to register in a round-about way from one of their other sites, the importing my registration into the forum, I was successful. I sent email to admin, and they tell me they are aware of the problem - for 2 weeks after launch, no-one could register to help each other out. simple problem to fix but no-one seemed to care to fix it.
ASUS might make decent products, but how it currently functions, especially regarding customer service on even premium products, it's a disgrace.
Any thoughts on RAM purchase?
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
I remember you were interested in frame times. I came across the following:
https://techreport.com/review/31546/where-minimum-fps-figures-mislead-frame-time-analysis-shines
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
If I somehow manage to get this 7700 k for that cheap i'll be jumping for joy. 99 percent tile frametime gives you way more useful information. with 11-12 MS frametimes in gta v and crysis 3 it tells you that an ideal framerate cap of 90 fps would be the most ideal for consistent frametime delivery which is incredible for both games.
What if, when the quad cores come out, they clock like big ben and trounce the 7700k.
If I were releasing CPU's I'd go after the flagships models of the competition before working down the rest of their range.
the X1800's 8 cores at 3.6 GHZ is still really impressive.
The intel 6950X cpu is clocked at 3.0Ghz FFS.
The 5960X is clocked at 3.0 Ghz too.
Everyone knows that the more cores you have the lower the overclock you're going to get.
The Ryzen quad core chips might be a lot better than people anticipate.
4Ghz is the limit atm, it's very likely the lower models will not go any higher.
Ryzens require +1.4vcore to clock over 4Ghz, and the minimal gains of 50 to 100Mhz are not justified.
Ryzen 1700X 3.9GHz | Asrock X370 Taichi | 16GB G.Skill
GTX 1080 Ti SLI | 850W EVGA P2 | Win7x64
Asus VG278HR | Panasonic TX-58EX750B 4K Active 3D
I think you missed my point.
I think what mihabolil is saying is that a 6900K OCs to 4.4GHz quite easily on all cores; while Ryzen has difficulty @ even 4; and that this will also translate into 4 core Ryzen clocking - can't expect it to magically go near 6700/7700K overclocks etc.
Only time will tell if anything will translate to better gaming performance, I guess.
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.
Atm there is no hopes for clocks higher than 4.1Ghz, however there is some rumors for rysens performing better on win 7 machines
Ryzen 1700X 3.9GHz | Asrock X370 Taichi | 16GB G.Skill
GTX 1080 Ti SLI | 850W EVGA P2 | Win7x64
Asus VG278HR | Panasonic TX-58EX750B 4K Active 3D
Running at high Speed i think
CoreX9 Custom watercooling (valkswagen polo radiator)
I7-8700k@4.7
TitanX pascal with shitty stock cooler
Win7/10
Video: Passive 3D fullhd 3D@60hz/channel Denon x1200w /Hc5 x 2 Geobox501->eeColorBoxes->polarizers/omega filttersCustom made silverscreen
Ocupation: Enterprenior.Painting/surfacing/constructions
Interests/skills:
3D gaming,3D movies, 3D printing,Drums, Bass and guitar.
Suomi - FINLAND - perkele
So I need help picking out a motherboard. Here is what I have in mind:
MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON
ASUS PRIME Z270-A
Gigabyte GA-Z270X-Gaming 5
im leaning towads the MSI board, but I value everybodies input. The case im going to get is the corsair air 740. I have an old corsair 750 watt power supply from my i7 860 build that I didn't plan on replacing. It's non modular of course. DO you guys think I should keep it?
I plan on going with a corsair AIO cooler as well.
I used to only purchase ASUS but one RMA 6 times back on laptop with a bad screen made me swear I would never purchase ASUS again.
I now purchase Gigabyte never had any trouble but to fair I never RMA product back to them.
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
Enjoy
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
The PSU should be fine for non-SLi.
For any future purchasers tho might read this:
As zig11727, ASUS isn't what it used to be. I have been buying top end ASUS boards for the last 15 years. Now, customer service and forums are a bit of a joke. I tried reporting a BIOS issue, and customer service team made it a point to try and misunderstand my bug report. After describing it for the 5th time, I requested to speak to an engineer - they sent me a form which they apparently sent to the development team. Nothing since, and no fixes. 2 months after a new board release and they still have the same BIOS that shipped with boards on day one. This is all on one of their most premium boards.
They also had a forum bug which wouldn't let you register for the first few weeks. I tweeted them about it, - no response and no other way to contact unless already registered. I ended up having to register in a round-about way from one of their other sites, the importing my registration into the forum, I was successful. I sent email to admin, and they tell me they are aware of the problem - for 2 weeks after launch, no-one could register to help each other out. simple problem to fix but no-one seemed to care to fix it.
ASUS might make decent products, but how it currently functions, especially regarding customer service on even premium products, it's a disgrace.
Any thoughts on RAM purchase?
Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.