Outputting 120Hz to Samsung 3D Monitor How can I get the driver to output 120Hz?
I'm running 3D vision on a Macbook Pro, Windows 7 with a 9600M GT card. I've installed the drivers from Laptop2Go to enable the 3D part to be installed but I'm running into an issue that I can't seem to get round.

I assume that when I enable the 3D vision it is trying to switch the monitor into 120Hz mode, as if I try to run the setup wizard it does not get past the configuration stage without a big red block of text on the screen saying it is running in an unsupported stereoscopic mode. So I cannot use the 3D part.

I realise that the card is not officially supported but I have read of other people getting this setup to work so I was wondering if anyone had any advice.

Thanks

Ryan
I'm running 3D vision on a Macbook Pro, Windows 7 with a 9600M GT card. I've installed the drivers from Laptop2Go to enable the 3D part to be installed but I'm running into an issue that I can't seem to get round.



I assume that when I enable the 3D vision it is trying to switch the monitor into 120Hz mode, as if I try to run the setup wizard it does not get past the configuration stage without a big red block of text on the screen saying it is running in an unsupported stereoscopic mode. So I cannot use the 3D part.



I realise that the card is not officially supported but I have read of other people getting this setup to work so I was wondering if anyone had any advice.



Thanks



Ryan

#1
Posted 10/02/2009 10:30 AM   
[quote name='rdflynn' post='595418' date='Oct 2 2009, 11:30 AM']I'm running 3D vision on a Macbook Pro, Windows 7 with a 9600M GT card. I've installed the drivers from Laptop2Go to enable the 3D part to be installed but I'm running into an issue that I can't seem to get round.

I assume that when I enable the 3D vision it is trying to switch the monitor into 120Hz mode, as if I try to run the setup wizard it does not get past the configuration stage without a big red block of text on the screen saying it is running in an unsupported stereoscopic mode. So I cannot use the 3D part.

I realise that the card is not officially supported but I have read of other people getting this setup to work so I was wondering if anyone had any advice.

Thanks

Ryan[/quote]

hey man,

i got the exact same problems. i know 3d vision isnt officially supported for notebook gpus but failing to set the 3d vision up coz i cant manage to set my external monitor to 120hz makes me kinda mad.

im running windows 7 and if i list all possible modes for my adapter it says all kinds of resolutions but always and exclusively 60hz(or sometimes 59). There must be a workaround for this to make the driver understand that the gpu can handle more than 60hz and to get the external monitor as primary device(which seems to be connected of not being able to set 120hz)

i read thru a lot of forums but wasnt lucky
i got a m860tu from clevo with a 9800m gts which should be capable of more than 60hz

any help here would be really appreciated.

regards andruman
[quote name='rdflynn' post='595418' date='Oct 2 2009, 11:30 AM']I'm running 3D vision on a Macbook Pro, Windows 7 with a 9600M GT card. I've installed the drivers from Laptop2Go to enable the 3D part to be installed but I'm running into an issue that I can't seem to get round.



I assume that when I enable the 3D vision it is trying to switch the monitor into 120Hz mode, as if I try to run the setup wizard it does not get past the configuration stage without a big red block of text on the screen saying it is running in an unsupported stereoscopic mode. So I cannot use the 3D part.



I realise that the card is not officially supported but I have read of other people getting this setup to work so I was wondering if anyone had any advice.



Thanks



Ryan



hey man,



i got the exact same problems. i know 3d vision isnt officially supported for notebook gpus but failing to set the 3d vision up coz i cant manage to set my external monitor to 120hz makes me kinda mad.



im running windows 7 and if i list all possible modes for my adapter it says all kinds of resolutions but always and exclusively 60hz(or sometimes 59). There must be a workaround for this to make the driver understand that the gpu can handle more than 60hz and to get the external monitor as primary device(which seems to be connected of not being able to set 120hz)



i read thru a lot of forums but wasnt lucky

i got a m860tu from clevo with a 9800m gts which should be capable of more than 60hz



any help here would be really appreciated.



regards andruman

#2
Posted 10/05/2009 06:10 AM   
@ andruman:

Are you certain your notebook has got a dual-link DVI output? I know that most of them don't, because not a single one I've had so far has been able to provide 2560x1600 resolution on my 30" display.
Single-link DVI has enough bandwidth for 1680x1050@60 Hz, but doubling the refresh rate also requires double the bandwidth and thus a dual-link connection. If your DVI port does support dual-link, make sure you are using compatible cable as well - preferably the one that came with the monitor.
I guess the dual-link DVI port isn't specifically mentioned in the 3D Vision system requirements, because the compatible desktop cards all have it anyway (it has been a standard feature since the later Geforce 7 products).


@ rdflynn:

It's most likely the same issue, make sure you have got the [url="http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571"]mini DisplayPort to dual-link DVI Adapter[/url] and not the [url="http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB570"]single-link version[/url].
@ andruman:



Are you certain your notebook has got a dual-link DVI output? I know that most of them don't, because not a single one I've had so far has been able to provide 2560x1600 resolution on my 30" display.

Single-link DVI has enough bandwidth for 1680x1050@60 Hz, but doubling the refresh rate also requires double the bandwidth and thus a dual-link connection. If your DVI port does support dual-link, make sure you are using compatible cable as well - preferably the one that came with the monitor.

I guess the dual-link DVI port isn't specifically mentioned in the 3D Vision system requirements, because the compatible desktop cards all have it anyway (it has been a standard feature since the later Geforce 7 products).





@ rdflynn:



It's most likely the same issue, make sure you have got the mini DisplayPort to dual-link DVI Adapter and not the single-link version.

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#3
Posted 10/05/2009 01:57 PM   
[quote name='Reaping_Ant' date='Oct 5 2009, 03:57 PM' post='596626']
@ andruman:

Are you certain your notebook has got a dual-link DVI output? I know that most of them don't, because not a single one I've had so far has been able to provide 2560x1600 resolution on my 30" display.
Single-link DVI has enough bandwidth for 1680x1050@60 Hz, but doubling the refresh rate also requires double the bandwidth and thus a dual-link connection. If your DVI port does support dual-link, make sure you are using compatible cable as well - preferably the one that came with the monitor.
I guess the dual-link DVI port isn't specifically mentioned in the 3D Vision system requirements, because the compatible desktop cards all have it anyway (it has been a standard feature since the later Geforce 7 products).

thanx for the reply Reaping_Ant

How can i tell if i got a dual-link DVI output? im gonna google for my notebook model or for a way to find it and let u know if im screwed or not. guess thats 1$ per laptop saved for the manufacturer

greetz andru
[quote name='Reaping_Ant' date='Oct 5 2009, 03:57 PM' post='596626']

@ andruman:



Are you certain your notebook has got a dual-link DVI output? I know that most of them don't, because not a single one I've had so far has been able to provide 2560x1600 resolution on my 30" display.

Single-link DVI has enough bandwidth for 1680x1050@60 Hz, but doubling the refresh rate also requires double the bandwidth and thus a dual-link connection. If your DVI port does support dual-link, make sure you are using compatible cable as well - preferably the one that came with the monitor.

I guess the dual-link DVI port isn't specifically mentioned in the 3D Vision system requirements, because the compatible desktop cards all have it anyway (it has been a standard feature since the later Geforce 7 products).



thanx for the reply Reaping_Ant



How can i tell if i got a dual-link DVI output? im gonna google for my notebook model or for a way to find it and let u know if im screwed or not. guess thats 1$ per laptop saved for the manufacturer



greetz andru

#4
Posted 10/05/2009 02:34 PM   
well confirmed. i dont have a dual link input:(( yesterday i didnt even know such a thing exists.

another question though...could i work around this bye using a dvi to hdmi cable? or is the hdmi port limited the same way

thanx in advance andruman
well confirmed. i dont have a dual link input:(( yesterday i didnt even know such a thing exists.



another question though...could i work around this bye using a dvi to hdmi cable? or is the hdmi port limited the same way



thanx in advance andruman

#5
Posted 10/05/2009 03:29 PM   
[quote name='andruman' post='596668' date='Oct 5 2009, 05:29 PM']could i work around this bye using a dvi to hdmi cable? or is the hdmi port limited the same way[/quote]
Only HDMI 1.3 and newer has got sufficient bandwidth. I don't know to what extent HDMI 1.3 (or even 1.4) has been implemented in computer video cards. Also only type B HDMI connectors (a very rare variant with 29 pins, I couldn't name a single device which has one) are electrically compatible with dual-link DVI. The more common type A connector only has 19 pins (just like single-link DVI-D) while dual-link DVI-D has 25.
So even if your notebook does support HDMI 1.3, you would still need some kind of signal converter. I don't know whether such a converter exists and even if it does, it won't be cheap.
[quote name='andruman' post='596668' date='Oct 5 2009, 05:29 PM']could i work around this bye using a dvi to hdmi cable? or is the hdmi port limited the same way

Only HDMI 1.3 and newer has got sufficient bandwidth. I don't know to what extent HDMI 1.3 (or even 1.4) has been implemented in computer video cards. Also only type B HDMI connectors (a very rare variant with 29 pins, I couldn't name a single device which has one) are electrically compatible with dual-link DVI. The more common type A connector only has 19 pins (just like single-link DVI-D) while dual-link DVI-D has 25.

So even if your notebook does support HDMI 1.3, you would still need some kind of signal converter. I don't know whether such a converter exists and even if it does, it won't be cheap.

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#6
Posted 10/05/2009 09:14 PM   
[quote name='Reaping_Ant' post='596795' date='Oct 5 2009, 11:14 PM']Only HDMI 1.3 and newer has got sufficient bandwidth. I don't know to what extent HDMI 1.3 (or even 1.4) has been implemented in computer video cards. Also only type B HDMI connectors (a very rare variant with 29 pins, I couldn't name a single device which has one) are electrically compatible with dual-link DVI. The more common type A connector only has 19 pins (just like single-link DVI-D) while dual-link DVI-D has 25.
So even if your notebook does support HDMI 1.3, you would still need some kind of signal converter. I don't know whether such a converter exists and even if it does, it won't be cheap.[/quote]

hey man thank u so much for making things clear for me and saving me from buying useless stuff. specs say i got hdmi 1.3 so without any expectations ill see if i can get a connector. thank u again for ur fast and competent response...ill let u know how things developing on

regards andruman
[quote name='Reaping_Ant' post='596795' date='Oct 5 2009, 11:14 PM']Only HDMI 1.3 and newer has got sufficient bandwidth. I don't know to what extent HDMI 1.3 (or even 1.4) has been implemented in computer video cards. Also only type B HDMI connectors (a very rare variant with 29 pins, I couldn't name a single device which has one) are electrically compatible with dual-link DVI. The more common type A connector only has 19 pins (just like single-link DVI-D) while dual-link DVI-D has 25.

So even if your notebook does support HDMI 1.3, you would still need some kind of signal converter. I don't know whether such a converter exists and even if it does, it won't be cheap.



hey man thank u so much for making things clear for me and saving me from buying useless stuff. specs say i got hdmi 1.3 so without any expectations ill see if i can get a connector. thank u again for ur fast and competent response...ill let u know how things developing on



regards andruman

#7
Posted 10/05/2009 09:30 PM   
hey reaping ant i searched around the net for a while and found this on amazon

[url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/5m-HDMI-DVI-Cable-Premium/dp/B001NXPR92/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254811516&sr=8-1"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/5m-HDMI-DVI-Cable-...1516&sr=8-1[/url]

u say only hdmi b is compatible with dual link dvi-d. i wonder whats the purpose of this article then or the dozens of other dual link dvi-d to hdmi cables if they werent capable of transmitting the signal? id buy the cable i posted but wanna have your blessing(ofc i wont blame u for anything if it wont work :> )

thanx in advance
andruman
hey reaping ant i searched around the net for a while and found this on amazon



http://www.amazon.co.uk/5m-HDMI-DVI-Cable-...1516&sr=8-1



u say only hdmi b is compatible with dual link dvi-d. i wonder whats the purpose of this article then or the dozens of other dual link dvi-d to hdmi cables if they werent capable of transmitting the signal? id buy the cable i posted but wanna have your blessing(ofc i wont blame u for anything if it wont work :> )



thanx in advance

andruman

#8
Posted 10/06/2009 06:53 AM   
@Reaping_Ant:

Many thanks for the tip off on the Dual Link business. I'm hoping that should solve it, I can't believe I didn't spot it before! You, sir, are a genius, thank you.

@andruman:

Thanks for the support on this one, I know how difficult it is to get answers from forums sometimes (obviously not this one, it's great!). I hope you get your issue sorted out soon.

Thanks again

Ryan
@Reaping_Ant:



Many thanks for the tip off on the Dual Link business. I'm hoping that should solve it, I can't believe I didn't spot it before! You, sir, are a genius, thank you.



@andruman:



Thanks for the support on this one, I know how difficult it is to get answers from forums sometimes (obviously not this one, it's great!). I hope you get your issue sorted out soon.



Thanks again



Ryan

#9
Posted 10/06/2009 08:36 AM   
@ andruman:

I don't know whether such a cable would work. But a dual-link connector doesn't necessarily mean it can actually transmit a dual-link signal. A HDMI type A connector only has three TDMS data lines, the same as a single link DVI one, while a dual-link DVI connector has six of them (like HDMI type B ).
HDMI 1.3 derives its increased bandwidth from a higher clock frequency instead of additional signal lines. So an HDMI 1.3 to dual-link DVI adapter would need to convert a high frequency signal on three data lines to a low frequency one on six lines.
I'm however not entirely familiar with the HDMI 1.3 specification, so it might be indeed possible to convert to dual-link DVI using a simple cable. The only way to be sure would be to ask the manufacturer of the cable.

Apart from the cable, I'm still not sure whether current video cards support HDMI 1.3 and I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. It may just not be a widely advertised feature, since 1920x1200@60 Hz (which any HDMI version can do) is the maximum resolution for the overwhelming majority of users. But HDMI 1.3 support may also be absent from current PC hardware, since most HDMI implementations are probably just a converted DVI signal.
@ andruman:



I don't know whether such a cable would work. But a dual-link connector doesn't necessarily mean it can actually transmit a dual-link signal. A HDMI type A connector only has three TDMS data lines, the same as a single link DVI one, while a dual-link DVI connector has six of them (like HDMI type B ).

HDMI 1.3 derives its increased bandwidth from a higher clock frequency instead of additional signal lines. So an HDMI 1.3 to dual-link DVI adapter would need to convert a high frequency signal on three data lines to a low frequency one on six lines.

I'm however not entirely familiar with the HDMI 1.3 specification, so it might be indeed possible to convert to dual-link DVI using a simple cable. The only way to be sure would be to ask the manufacturer of the cable.



Apart from the cable, I'm still not sure whether current video cards support HDMI 1.3 and I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. It may just not be a widely advertised feature, since 1920x1200@60 Hz (which any HDMI version can do) is the maximum resolution for the overwhelming majority of users. But HDMI 1.3 support may also be absent from current PC hardware, since most HDMI implementations are probably just a converted DVI signal.

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#10
Posted 10/07/2009 07:00 AM   
If your notebook has a HDMI 1.3 port available, a HDMI to dual-link DVI cable or adapter with a dual-link DVI cable, should take care of it.

A simple google search reveals a 10 foot cable for a mere $15. You may wish to seek another store you're more familiar with.


Amorphous
If your notebook has a HDMI 1.3 port available, a HDMI to dual-link DVI cable or adapter with a dual-link DVI cable, should take care of it.



A simple google search reveals a 10 foot cable for a mere $15. You may wish to seek another store you're more familiar with.





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#11
Posted 10/07/2009 10:08 AM   
[quote name='Amorphous' post='597639' date='Oct 7 2009, 12:08 PM']If your notebook has a HDMI 1.3 port available, a HDMI to dual-link DVI cable or adapter with a dual-link DVI cable, should take care of it.[/quote]

Are you sure about this? How do these cables convert from three to six TDMS lines?

In my understanding the problem with HDMI 1.3 to dual-link DVI conversion is much the same as with DisplayPort to dual-link DVI: Both DP and HDMI 1.3 (type A) have sufficient bandwidth but only three signal lines compared to DL-DVI's six. As a result, true DP to DL-DVI adapters are pretty expensive (about $100), since they need actual conversion logic. And contrary to HDMI, DisplayPort is a powered connection, HDMI would probably even require a power supply.

As I said before, I don't know that much about the HDMI specifications and could be wrong in my assumption.
[quote name='Amorphous' post='597639' date='Oct 7 2009, 12:08 PM']If your notebook has a HDMI 1.3 port available, a HDMI to dual-link DVI cable or adapter with a dual-link DVI cable, should take care of it.



Are you sure about this? How do these cables convert from three to six TDMS lines?



In my understanding the problem with HDMI 1.3 to dual-link DVI conversion is much the same as with DisplayPort to dual-link DVI: Both DP and HDMI 1.3 (type A) have sufficient bandwidth but only three signal lines compared to DL-DVI's six. As a result, true DP to DL-DVI adapters are pretty expensive (about $100), since they need actual conversion logic. And contrary to HDMI, DisplayPort is a powered connection, HDMI would probably even require a power supply.



As I said before, I don't know that much about the HDMI specifications and could be wrong in my assumption.

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#12
Posted 10/07/2009 04:25 PM   
[quote name='Reaping_Ant' post='597764' date='Oct 7 2009, 06:25 PM']Are you sure about this? How do these cables convert from three to six TDMS lines?

In my understanding the problem with HDMI 1.3 to dual-link DVI conversion is much the same as with DisplayPort to dual-link DVI: Both DP and HDMI 1.3 (type A) have sufficient bandwidth but only three signal lines compared to DL-DVI's six. As a result, true DP to DL-DVI adapters are pretty expensive (about $100), since they need actual conversion logic. And contrary to HDMI, DisplayPort is a powered connection, HDMI would probably even require a power supply.

As I said before, I don't know that much about the HDMI specifications and could be wrong in my assumption.[/quote]

Hey Ant,

i mean i cant prove but i think ur right. even though hdmi 1.3 type A has sufficient bandwidth i think it wont work. HDMI 1.3 still is single link even though it has the bandwidth it works differently than dual link. Ill order a cable anyways and try it out just of curiousity

andruman
[quote name='Reaping_Ant' post='597764' date='Oct 7 2009, 06:25 PM']Are you sure about this? How do these cables convert from three to six TDMS lines?



In my understanding the problem with HDMI 1.3 to dual-link DVI conversion is much the same as with DisplayPort to dual-link DVI: Both DP and HDMI 1.3 (type A) have sufficient bandwidth but only three signal lines compared to DL-DVI's six. As a result, true DP to DL-DVI adapters are pretty expensive (about $100), since they need actual conversion logic. And contrary to HDMI, DisplayPort is a powered connection, HDMI would probably even require a power supply.



As I said before, I don't know that much about the HDMI specifications and could be wrong in my assumption.



Hey Ant,



i mean i cant prove but i think ur right. even though hdmi 1.3 type A has sufficient bandwidth i think it wont work. HDMI 1.3 still is single link even though it has the bandwidth it works differently than dual link. Ill order a cable anyways and try it out just of curiousity



andruman

#13
Posted 10/08/2009 10:41 AM   
[quote name='rdflynn' post='595418' date='Oct 2 2009, 10:30 AM']I'm running 3D vision on a Macbook Pro, Windows 7 with a 9600M GT card. I've installed the drivers from Laptop2Go to enable the 3D part to be installed but I'm running into an issue that I can't seem to get round.[/quote]

Sorry for probably repeeting some question, but I'm new to this forum.

Wher can I gat that driver you mention?
Which version? Can you send me a link?

Thanx,

M
[quote name='rdflynn' post='595418' date='Oct 2 2009, 10:30 AM']I'm running 3D vision on a Macbook Pro, Windows 7 with a 9600M GT card. I've installed the drivers from Laptop2Go to enable the 3D part to be installed but I'm running into an issue that I can't seem to get round.



Sorry for probably repeeting some question, but I'm new to this forum.



Wher can I gat that driver you mention?

Which version? Can you send me a link?



Thanx,



M

#14
Posted 11/12/2009 10:37 AM   
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