Ok. Did clean installs of both Windows 7 & 8 on two of my buddies systems.
One was an I7 clocked at 3.3Ghz with 6GB ram. He runs GTX 260 SLI.
We tried WoW and AION on his system in 7 & 8. His SLI than my 670.
My 670 did run about another 5-8fps higher in both. But his 260sli ran about another 5fps faster in both games in both windows. Kind of an unfair test since his 260 only runs DirectX 10.
Next, my other buddy brought over his Phenom II X6 3.2 GHz with 8GB ram and GTX660.
Same test. Clean install of 7 & 8 on Samsung 840 pro SSDs. But only tested in WoW.
To give you better idea where I test in WoW. I have a toon in Orgrimmar at the front in between the bank & AH. Where the dirt path/road cross and I face towards the AH. Never moved him in days while doing test. It's the most crowded area to test and facing the AH at that spot gives me my lowest FPS.
Anyways. Each test is 5 minutes of standing there and grabbing the most steady fps. I can shut down, swap out video cards & be back in game in under 1 minute (love SSDs). And test after test in both windows, his 660 is doing avg 6fps more than my 670. This last test with a pretty empty Orgrimmar. I avg/steady 51fps. Hitting low of 46 and high of 54. His 660 avg/stead 57fps with low 49 and high 69
I'm tired. Really seems like the 2D of my 670 is not fully functioning. In 3D vision I do double the fps of his 660
Ok. Did clean installs of both Windows 7 & 8 on two of my buddies systems.
One was an I7 clocked at 3.3Ghz with 6GB ram. He runs GTX 260 SLI.
We tried WoW and AION on his system in 7 & 8. His SLI than my 670.
My 670 did run about another 5-8fps higher in both. But his 260sli ran about another 5fps faster in both games in both windows. Kind of an unfair test since his 260 only runs DirectX 10.
Next, my other buddy brought over his Phenom II X6 3.2 GHz with 8GB ram and GTX660.
Same test. Clean install of 7 & 8 on Samsung 840 pro SSDs. But only tested in WoW.
To give you better idea where I test in WoW. I have a toon in Orgrimmar at the front in between the bank & AH. Where the dirt path/road cross and I face towards the AH. Never moved him in days while doing test. It's the most crowded area to test and facing the AH at that spot gives me my lowest FPS.
Anyways. Each test is 5 minutes of standing there and grabbing the most steady fps. I can shut down, swap out video cards & be back in game in under 1 minute (love SSDs). And test after test in both windows, his 660 is doing avg 6fps more than my 670. This last test with a pretty empty Orgrimmar. I avg/steady 51fps. Hitting low of 46 and high of 54. His 660 avg/stead 57fps with low 49 and high 69
I'm tired. Really seems like the 2D of my 670 is not fully functioning. In 3D vision I do double the fps of his 660
I called Gigabyte. They told me the stock 670 beats the stock 660 but when comparing their 660OC version vs 670OC version. The 660OC is definitely faster than the 670OC. Because of the memory bus speed on the 670OC is reason I can run 3D vision at almost twice the FPS vs the 660OC. He recommends I return the 670OC for 2 660OC.
I called Gigabyte. They told me the stock 670 beats the stock 660 but when comparing their 660OC version vs 670OC version. The 660OC is definitely faster than the 670OC. Because of the memory bus speed on the 670OC is reason I can run 3D vision at almost twice the FPS vs the 660OC. He recommends I return the 670OC for 2 660OC.
They are talking complete crap. Kepler doesn't overclock thanks to the stupid voltage lock, a 670 is a good 30-40% faster than a 660, the idea that a 660 can beat that after overclocking is ludicrous.
They are talking complete crap. Kepler doesn't overclock thanks to the stupid voltage lock, a 670 is a good 30-40% faster than a 660, the idea that a 660 can beat that after overclocking is ludicrous.
Yeah, that doesn't seem right to me either. Here's a Tom's comparison that demonstrates the 670 is better in essentially every single test, using Gigabyte cards:
[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/compare,2935.html?prod%5B5629%5D=on&prod%5B5723%5D=on&prod%5B5898%5D=on[/url]
In any case, since you plan to run 3D, it's already clear the 670 is far superior for that purpose.
As you've noted, there are very few sites that benchmark in 3D. This makes it tricky to find out actual performance. As a rough rule of thumb, I use the double resolution cases, as a sort of do-twice metric we get with 3D. Not perfect, but closer.
Yeah, that doesn't seem right to me either. Here's a Tom's comparison that demonstrates the 670 is better in essentially every single test, using Gigabyte cards:
In any case, since you plan to run 3D, it's already clear the 670 is far superior for that purpose.
As you've noted, there are very few sites that benchmark in 3D. This makes it tricky to find out actual performance. As a rough rule of thumb, I use the double resolution cases, as a sort of do-twice metric we get with 3D. Not perfect, but closer.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
I do like tomshardware for their charts :)
What gigabyte told me about their OC version that makes their 660 better in 2D for WoW is that the 660OC is clocked at 1033MHz and goes up to 1098MHz while the
670OC is clocked at 980Mhz and goes up to 1058Mhz
Scratching my head.. he said there was one other major difference that caused the 660OC to perform better for 2D. But for the 3D vision he said it's the 256bit memory bus speed that makes it perform better than the 660OC. Don't wanna quote but I think he actually said the amount of cuda cores along with the better memory bus for 3D. I just woke up and didn't even have my 1st smoke of the day when I called.
I'm DLing more games to test. I may keep the 670 and upgrade computer. Just gotta find the money.
FoulPlay mentioned he uses EVGA tool to monitor GPU load. But I can't log on and DL that from their site. Anyone know a good app to use in Win 8 to monitor GPU load?
I do like tomshardware for their charts :)
What gigabyte told me about their OC version that makes their 660 better in 2D for WoW is that the 660OC is clocked at 1033MHz and goes up to 1098MHz while the
670OC is clocked at 980Mhz and goes up to 1058Mhz
Scratching my head.. he said there was one other major difference that caused the 660OC to perform better for 2D. But for the 3D vision he said it's the 256bit memory bus speed that makes it perform better than the 660OC. Don't wanna quote but I think he actually said the amount of cuda cores along with the better memory bus for 3D. I just woke up and didn't even have my 1st smoke of the day when I called.
I'm DLing more games to test. I may keep the 670 and upgrade computer. Just gotta find the money.
FoulPlay mentioned he uses EVGA tool to monitor GPU load. But I can't log on and DL that from their site. Anyone know a good app to use in Win 8 to monitor GPU load?
Looks like you guys should have waited until the end of the month when the 7XX cards launch. Then you could of grabbed one of them or saved a few bucks when prices drop on 6XX cards.
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/4/22/the-2013-nvidia-lineup-gtx780-is-titan-le2c-gtx770-is-gtx6802c-gtx760ti-is-gtx670.aspx
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-launches-23rd-geforce-gtx-770-scheduled-30th/
The 760 and 770 will be using the GK-104, like the 680s.
Like the Titan, the 780 will be using GK110 dies that are of an exceptional quality but don't meet the binning requirements to be used in a Tesla K20X.
The 760 and 770 will be using the GK-104, like the 680s.
Like the Titan, the 780 will be using GK110 dies that are of an exceptional quality but don't meet the binning requirements to be used in a Tesla K20X.
Easiest one to use is NVidia Inspector, which is useful for all kinds of other stuff. But, it has a built in GPU performance meter.
The newest version of GPU-Z also has GPU load graphs, but I prefer NVidia Inspector.
Well, I can't really afford it but I just tossed more money to rebuild my 6 month old system.
GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX (MB)
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
Enermax ETS-T40-TB CPU Cooler With T.B.SILENCE PWM Twister Bearing Fan (I really like these)
G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Cas 9 Volt 1.5
Going to be running Win 8 on two Samsung 840 pro 256GB
I'll update after build. Give everyone a good idea what they can expect by moving from Phen II, A10 APU to FX.
Well, I can't really afford it but I just tossed more money to rebuild my 6 month old system.
GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX (MB)
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
Enermax ETS-T40-TB CPU Cooler With T.B.SILENCE PWM Twister Bearing Fan (I really like these)
G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Cas 9 Volt 1.5
Going to be running Win 8 on two Samsung 840 pro 256GB
I'll update after build. Give everyone a good idea what they can expect by moving from Phen II, A10 APU to FX.
I spent money I don't have. Had a lot of discounts and promo codes for what I bought today. It would have cost me at least $200 more for Intel. CPU $180, MB $100, Ram $90. And to boot, free shipping. Also got a new case & PSU. Case originally $100, got it for $67. Corsair modular PFC 750 Gold edition. Normally I think $160.. got it for $100. All free shipping. Well.. a low end I5 and skimpy MB could have come close. I didn't read a whole lot about intel MB chipsets. I know the 990FX chipset does both XF & SLI so I was kinda determined by that without seeing researching intel chipsets.
LEAVE ME ALONE IM TIRED!
o.o
Stuff should be in Friday. Lets just see what it does.
I spent money I don't have. Had a lot of discounts and promo codes for what I bought today. It would have cost me at least $200 more for Intel. CPU $180, MB $100, Ram $90. And to boot, free shipping. Also got a new case & PSU. Case originally $100, got it for $67. Corsair modular PFC 750 Gold edition. Normally I think $160.. got it for $100. All free shipping. Well.. a low end I5 and skimpy MB could have come close. I didn't read a whole lot about intel MB chipsets. I know the 990FX chipset does both XF & SLI so I was kinda determined by that without seeing researching intel chipsets.
LEAVE ME ALONE IM TIRED!
o.o
Stuff should be in Friday. Lets just see what it does.
Get the AMD FX-6200 highest rated and most powerful AMD processor on the market.
overclocked i get 5.03GHz
By the way INTELS overrated. not nearly worth it .
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
lol hahahahaha
made a long time before the 6200 was
and not as high of performance
[quote="purpletalon"]Get the AMD FX-6200 highest rated and most powerful AMD processor on the market.
overclocked i get 5.03GHz
By the way INTELS overrated. not nearly worth it .[/quote]
This is pretty subjective really. I've always considered Intel very good quality and performance, and I'm happy to pay their prices. AMD have always been cheaper, but not always as good performance, if anything I believe its AMD that are overrated.
Whenever I've had an AMD CPU and AMD/ATI graphics card in my system to cut my budget I've always had to upgrade faster than when I've used Intel/NVidia.
Some people swear by AMD, others Intel, but in almost 20 years of PC gaming, and a spell of building PC's, I've always felt better with Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics cards.
While Intel may be more expensive, you always get what you pay for and I've never had a bad Intel chip yet.
purpletalon said:Get the AMD FX-6200 highest rated and most powerful AMD processor on the market.
overclocked i get 5.03GHz
By the way INTELS overrated. not nearly worth it .
This is pretty subjective really. I've always considered Intel very good quality and performance, and I'm happy to pay their prices. AMD have always been cheaper, but not always as good performance, if anything I believe its AMD that are overrated.
Whenever I've had an AMD CPU and AMD/ATI graphics card in my system to cut my budget I've always had to upgrade faster than when I've used Intel/NVidia.
Some people swear by AMD, others Intel, but in almost 20 years of PC gaming, and a spell of building PC's, I've always felt better with Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics cards.
While Intel may be more expensive, you always get what you pay for and I've never had a bad Intel chip yet.
One was an I7 clocked at 3.3Ghz with 6GB ram. He runs GTX 260 SLI.
We tried WoW and AION on his system in 7 & 8. His SLI than my 670.
My 670 did run about another 5-8fps higher in both. But his 260sli ran about another 5fps faster in both games in both windows. Kind of an unfair test since his 260 only runs DirectX 10.
Next, my other buddy brought over his Phenom II X6 3.2 GHz with 8GB ram and GTX660.
Same test. Clean install of 7 & 8 on Samsung 840 pro SSDs. But only tested in WoW.
To give you better idea where I test in WoW. I have a toon in Orgrimmar at the front in between the bank & AH. Where the dirt path/road cross and I face towards the AH. Never moved him in days while doing test. It's the most crowded area to test and facing the AH at that spot gives me my lowest FPS.
Anyways. Each test is 5 minutes of standing there and grabbing the most steady fps. I can shut down, swap out video cards & be back in game in under 1 minute (love SSDs). And test after test in both windows, his 660 is doing avg 6fps more than my 670. This last test with a pretty empty Orgrimmar. I avg/steady 51fps. Hitting low of 46 and high of 54. His 660 avg/stead 57fps with low 49 and high 69
I'm tired. Really seems like the 2D of my 670 is not fully functioning. In 3D vision I do double the fps of his 660
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/compare,2935.html?prod%5B5629%5D=on&prod%5B5723%5D=on&prod%5B5898%5D=on
In any case, since you plan to run 3D, it's already clear the 670 is far superior for that purpose.
As you've noted, there are very few sites that benchmark in 3D. This makes it tricky to find out actual performance. As a rough rule of thumb, I use the double resolution cases, as a sort of do-twice metric we get with 3D. Not perfect, but closer.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
What gigabyte told me about their OC version that makes their 660 better in 2D for WoW is that the 660OC is clocked at 1033MHz and goes up to 1098MHz while the
670OC is clocked at 980Mhz and goes up to 1058Mhz
Scratching my head.. he said there was one other major difference that caused the 660OC to perform better for 2D. But for the 3D vision he said it's the 256bit memory bus speed that makes it perform better than the 660OC. Don't wanna quote but I think he actually said the amount of cuda cores along with the better memory bus for 3D. I just woke up and didn't even have my 1st smoke of the day when I called.
I'm DLing more games to test. I may keep the 670 and upgrade computer. Just gotta find the money.
FoulPlay mentioned he uses EVGA tool to monitor GPU load. But I can't log on and DL that from their site. Anyone know a good app to use in Win 8 to monitor GPU load?
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/4/22/the-2013-nvidia-lineup-gtx780-is-titan-le2c-gtx770-is-gtx6802c-gtx760ti-is-gtx670.aspx
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-launches-23rd-geforce-gtx-770-scheduled-30th/
The 760 and 770 will be using the GK-104, like the 680s.
Like the Titan, the 780 will be using GK110 dies that are of an exceptional quality but don't meet the binning requirements to be used in a Tesla K20X.
The newest version of GPU-Z also has GPU load graphs, but I prefer NVidia Inspector.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX (MB)
AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
Enermax ETS-T40-TB CPU Cooler With T.B.SILENCE PWM Twister Bearing Fan (I really like these)
G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Cas 9 Volt 1.5
Going to be running Win 8 on two Samsung 840 pro 256GB
I'll update after build. Give everyone a good idea what they can expect by moving from Phen II, A10 APU to FX.
LEAVE ME ALONE IM TIRED!
o.o
Stuff should be in Friday. Lets just see what it does.
Don't forget to put the old stuff on eBay, you should be able to recoup some of the costs.
overclocked i get 5.03GHz
By the way INTELS overrated. not nearly worth it .
lol hahahahaha
made a long time before the 6200 was
and not as high of performance
This is pretty subjective really. I've always considered Intel very good quality and performance, and I'm happy to pay their prices. AMD have always been cheaper, but not always as good performance, if anything I believe its AMD that are overrated.
Whenever I've had an AMD CPU and AMD/ATI graphics card in my system to cut my budget I've always had to upgrade faster than when I've used Intel/NVidia.
Some people swear by AMD, others Intel, but in almost 20 years of PC gaming, and a spell of building PC's, I've always felt better with Intel CPU's and NVidia graphics cards.
While Intel may be more expensive, you always get what you pay for and I've never had a bad Intel chip yet.
i7 4790k @ 4.6 - 16GB RAM - 2x SLI Titan X
27" ASUS ROG SWIFT, 28" - 65" Samsung UHD8200 4k 3DTV - Oculus Rift CV1 - 34" Acer Predator X34 Ultrawide
Old kit:
i5 2500k @ 4.4 - 8gb RAM
Acer H5360BD projector
GTX 580, SLI 670, GTX 980 EVGA SC
Acer XB280HK 4k 60hz
Oculus DK2