3D-BluRay-Specs are FINALIZED ! ... and Nvidia will support them with 3D-Vision ...
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Great news.
Great news.

#16
Posted 12/17/2009 11:26 PM   
[quote name='SichtWechsel' post='966383' date='Dec 17 2009, 08:01 AM']Yes and No ... they will be compatible with this, if they are able to do the specs.

1080p for each eye and HDMI 1.3a ... so: TV's with interlaced 3D don't will get the 3D-ready sign ( because they have no 1080p for each eye displayed ) !!!
ComputerMonitors must be able to take 1080p by 48hz too - how they work with it is another thing ... ( Thinking of Zalman and Hyundai !!! IZ3D will maybe get it, because he uses 2 panels with FullHD resolution !!! )

BUT: It is thing of the developers, how the TV's and Monitors handle with the 3D BD's ...
important is the BD-Player: Players must be able, to send 1080p by 48hz ( 1080p by 24hz for each eye ) to the FullHD 3D TV ... what happens in the panel ( upsample to 240hz, upsample to 120hz - shutterglasses, x-Pol and so on ) is thing of the ProductLine ( Sony will have other ways to display 3D as Phillips and Samsung ... they are very free in the way of working with 3D BD's [ 1080p 48hz ] )

I personally think, that in the computersector a new revision of the new Acer 3D Displays will be 3D Ready ... the Samsung and the Viewsonic will be able to show 3D BD's too, but just softwarebased !!!
And in the TV-Sector: DLP will not longer be supported and run out of the Specs, the new Beamers will be able to show 3D with 3D Vision only and at the End JUST NEWER TV's will become 3D Ready Out Of The Box - don't forget: it's a selling based market with target on MoneyMaking !!!

I said that before: the software players will be the rescue for our today's computer equipment with 3D Vision !!! !!! !!! Without Cyberlink's Power DVD supporting 3D Vision there will be no 3D BD on our Samsung 2233RZ and the ViewSonic Model - until Nvidia releases a selfmade Player that supports 3D BD !!! And that of course must be lincensed to the MPEG4-MVC Codec ... !

We will see ...[/quote]

There is a lot of misinformation in your post about 3D Blu-Ray. STBs will not be required to send 1080p @ 48Hz. There is nothing in the spec that says that. It will be 1080p @24Hz per view encoded on the disc. How it is output to the display is up to the manufacturer.

Current 3D-Ready DLPs (Mits and Sammys) will be compatible, you'll just have to purchase a STB that sends the signal via the checkerboard method. And more than likely, many of the first displays will be 60Hz per eye (120Hz total), which yes, means that 3:2 pulldown will be necessary.

Keith at Sigma Design has already stated that their SoC can output any of the 3D formats, doing the conversion of SbS to whatever via their chip. Software manufacturers can already do it also (the video player provided by nvidia already does this).

And even if ZERO STB manufacturers incorporate the checkerboard method as an output, never fear, RealD already have a converter on the market, which converts 1080p SbS to 1080p checkerboard, it's a HDMI 1.3a device. It costs $500, but that's a lot cheaper than buying a new display. But I wouldn't worry about that, as most STB manufacturers will more than likely use Sigma Design's SoC.
[quote name='SichtWechsel' post='966383' date='Dec 17 2009, 08:01 AM']Yes and No ... they will be compatible with this, if they are able to do the specs.



1080p for each eye and HDMI 1.3a ... so: TV's with interlaced 3D don't will get the 3D-ready sign ( because they have no 1080p for each eye displayed ) !!!

ComputerMonitors must be able to take 1080p by 48hz too - how they work with it is another thing ... ( Thinking of Zalman and Hyundai !!! IZ3D will maybe get it, because he uses 2 panels with FullHD resolution !!! )



BUT: It is thing of the developers, how the TV's and Monitors handle with the 3D BD's ...

important is the BD-Player: Players must be able, to send 1080p by 48hz ( 1080p by 24hz for each eye ) to the FullHD 3D TV ... what happens in the panel ( upsample to 240hz, upsample to 120hz - shutterglasses, x-Pol and so on ) is thing of the ProductLine ( Sony will have other ways to display 3D as Phillips and Samsung ... they are very free in the way of working with 3D BD's [ 1080p 48hz ] )



I personally think, that in the computersector a new revision of the new Acer 3D Displays will be 3D Ready ... the Samsung and the Viewsonic will be able to show 3D BD's too, but just softwarebased !!!

And in the TV-Sector: DLP will not longer be supported and run out of the Specs, the new Beamers will be able to show 3D with 3D Vision only and at the End JUST NEWER TV's will become 3D Ready Out Of The Box - don't forget: it's a selling based market with target on MoneyMaking !!!



I said that before: the software players will be the rescue for our today's computer equipment with 3D Vision !!! !!! !!! Without Cyberlink's Power DVD supporting 3D Vision there will be no 3D BD on our Samsung 2233RZ and the ViewSonic Model - until Nvidia releases a selfmade Player that supports 3D BD !!! And that of course must be lincensed to the MPEG4-MVC Codec ... !



We will see ...



There is a lot of misinformation in your post about 3D Blu-Ray. STBs will not be required to send 1080p @ 48Hz. There is nothing in the spec that says that. It will be 1080p @24Hz per view encoded on the disc. How it is output to the display is up to the manufacturer.



Current 3D-Ready DLPs (Mits and Sammys) will be compatible, you'll just have to purchase a STB that sends the signal via the checkerboard method. And more than likely, many of the first displays will be 60Hz per eye (120Hz total), which yes, means that 3:2 pulldown will be necessary.



Keith at Sigma Design has already stated that their SoC can output any of the 3D formats, doing the conversion of SbS to whatever via their chip. Software manufacturers can already do it also (the video player provided by nvidia already does this).



And even if ZERO STB manufacturers incorporate the checkerboard method as an output, never fear, RealD already have a converter on the market, which converts 1080p SbS to 1080p checkerboard, it's a HDMI 1.3a device. It costs $500, but that's a lot cheaper than buying a new display. But I wouldn't worry about that, as most STB manufacturers will more than likely use Sigma Design's SoC.

#17
Posted 12/19/2009 08:43 PM   
[quote name='taz291819' post='967567' date='Dec 19 2009, 03:43 PM']There is a lot of misinformation in your post about 3D Blu-Ray. STBs will not be required to send 1080p @ 48Hz. There is nothing in the spec that says that. It will be 1080p @24Hz per view encoded on the disc. How it is output to the display is up to the manufacturer.

Current 3D-Ready DLPs (Mits and Sammys) will be compatible, you'll just have to purchase a STB that sends the signal via the checkerboard method. And more than likely, many of the first displays will be 60Hz per eye (120Hz total), which yes, means that 3:2 pulldown will be necessary.

Keith at Sigma Design has already stated that their SoC can output any of the 3D formats, doing the conversion of SbS to whatever via their chip. Software manufacturers can already do it also (the video player provided by nvidia already does this).

And even if ZERO STB manufacturers incorporate the checkerboard method as an output, never fear, RealD already have a converter on the market, which converts 1080p SbS to 1080p checkerboard, it's a HDMI 1.3a device. It costs $500, but that's a lot cheaper than buying a new display. But I wouldn't worry about that, as most STB manufacturers will more than likely use Sigma Design's SoC.[/quote]

you have some great points, but if you have a PC with 3D Vision, we can handle all format conversion to the display. So the moral is buy a GeForce :)
[quote name='taz291819' post='967567' date='Dec 19 2009, 03:43 PM']There is a lot of misinformation in your post about 3D Blu-Ray. STBs will not be required to send 1080p @ 48Hz. There is nothing in the spec that says that. It will be 1080p @24Hz per view encoded on the disc. How it is output to the display is up to the manufacturer.



Current 3D-Ready DLPs (Mits and Sammys) will be compatible, you'll just have to purchase a STB that sends the signal via the checkerboard method. And more than likely, many of the first displays will be 60Hz per eye (120Hz total), which yes, means that 3:2 pulldown will be necessary.



Keith at Sigma Design has already stated that their SoC can output any of the 3D formats, doing the conversion of SbS to whatever via their chip. Software manufacturers can already do it also (the video player provided by nvidia already does this).



And even if ZERO STB manufacturers incorporate the checkerboard method as an output, never fear, RealD already have a converter on the market, which converts 1080p SbS to 1080p checkerboard, it's a HDMI 1.3a device. It costs $500, but that's a lot cheaper than buying a new display. But I wouldn't worry about that, as most STB manufacturers will more than likely use Sigma Design's SoC.



you have some great points, but if you have a PC with 3D Vision, we can handle all format conversion to the display. So the moral is buy a GeForce :)

#18
Posted 12/20/2009 01:38 AM   
There are more than plenty of decent softwares for other cards as well! :P
The only reason for me is to buy a geforce if it starts to support alternate stereosolutions. ;)
Very anxious about the finalized bluray 3d-specs though. I saw Camerons Avatar yesterday and really hopes for a blurayrelease for this as well!
There are more than plenty of decent softwares for other cards as well! :P

The only reason for me is to buy a geforce if it starts to support alternate stereosolutions. ;)

Very anxious about the finalized bluray 3d-specs though. I saw Camerons Avatar yesterday and really hopes for a blurayrelease for this as well!

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#19
Posted 12/20/2009 12:01 PM   
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