HDMI 1.4a Does 1080p/60, Will 3DTV Play Support It?
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[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='11 April 2011 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1302543982' post='1222951']
I'm 99% positive he meant 1080p24. There is no Blu-ray discs authored in 1080p60 3D. Please ask him again.
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I sent them an email, see reply below

[quote]Yes it does support 1080/60 Frame. You need to make sure all cables and devices are 3D capable as well.l

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Customer By Email 04/19/2011 01:10 AM

Hi, I was asked to reconfirm that Vizio's can handle 1080p/60 frame packed.
Please make sure it's not 1080p/60 side/side which is what majority of
current 3DTVs are. Frame packed is when both eyes get 1080p/60. There are no
current 3D movies that support this and only possibility is from computer
video cards for games.
Please see response from nvidia after I quoted the email reply from vizio
below.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197348&view=findpost&p=1222951 [/quote]
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='11 April 2011 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1302543982' post='1222951']

I'm 99% positive he meant 1080p24. There is no Blu-ray discs authored in 1080p60 3D. Please ask him again.







I sent them an email, see reply below



Yes it does support 1080/60 Frame. You need to make sure all cables and devices are 3D capable as well.l



Breanna Norton

America’s Number One Hi-Def TV Company

The Home of Entertainment Freedom for All

800 Stevens Port Drive Suite DD750

Dakota Dunes SD 57049

Phone 877-878-4946

visit us: www.vizio.com



Customer By Email 04/19/2011 01:10 AM



Hi, I was asked to reconfirm that Vizio's can handle 1080p/60 frame packed.

Please make sure it's not 1080p/60 side/side which is what majority of

current 3DTVs are. Frame packed is when both eyes get 1080p/60. There are no

current 3D movies that support this and only possibility is from computer

video cards for games.

Please see response from nvidia after I quoted the email reply from vizio

below.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197348&view=findpost&p=1222951

#16
Posted 04/21/2011 05:25 PM   
[quote name='dark_helmet' date='21 April 2011 - 12:25 PM' timestamp='1303406718' post='1228531']
I sent them an email, see reply below
[/quote]

Hi

If the Vizio TV supported 1080p60 3D, it would be a huge monumental product in the industry since no TV can do it. I really dont think this person at support knows what they are referring to.

http://70.168.148.201/documents/downloads/hdtv/XVT3D650SV/873UM_XVT3D650SV-WEB.pdf
[quote name='dark_helmet' date='21 April 2011 - 12:25 PM' timestamp='1303406718' post='1228531']

I sent them an email, see reply below





Hi



If the Vizio TV supported 1080p60 3D, it would be a huge monumental product in the industry since no TV can do it. I really dont think this person at support knows what they are referring to.



http://70.168.148.201/documents/downloads/hdtv/XVT3D650SV/873UM_XVT3D650SV-WEB.pdf

#17
Posted 04/21/2011 06:13 PM   
I've sent the HDMI people a couple of [hopefully not entirely useless] friendly emails through their contact-us form.

Tip of the day: brought to you by, Vizio Technical Support Community.

"TV not working like it should? A little known fix could help in a jam. No doubt you've all heard of hitting the TV to make it come back to life. However, as we all no doubt know, this doesn't always give the results we expected. An end-user and frequent caller, Chip Checkelson from Kentucky, has reported that he fixed his TV using following method: With all cables still connected: Turn the Tv upside down. Shake the TV up and down and toward and away from you, at the same time. DO NOT SHAKE SIDE TO SIDE, THIS WILL NOT HELP AND COULD DAMAGE YOUR TV! Maintain the TV's upside-down configuration and set the TV down gently. Begin to tap the back portion of the TV firmly around in any particular locations you think might be in need of some corrective discipline. Turn the TV back over and disconnect and then reconnect all cabling twice. Finally give your TV a good, long, disappointed look. Turn your Vizio TV back on and enjoy."

"Thank you for contacting Vizio Technical Support, i'd like to take the next few minutes[not more than 10], to insincerely thank you for contacting Visio Tech support." "Vizio tech support, putting the "good" in "goodbye"...

Unfair and wrong.

mostly

sort of

well...

(but i will maim myself if she's right)
I've sent the HDMI people a couple of [hopefully not entirely useless] friendly emails through their contact-us form.



Tip of the day: brought to you by, Vizio Technical Support Community.



"TV not working like it should? A little known fix could help in a jam. No doubt you've all heard of hitting the TV to make it come back to life. However, as we all no doubt know, this doesn't always give the results we expected. An end-user and frequent caller, Chip Checkelson from Kentucky, has reported that he fixed his TV using following method: With all cables still connected: Turn the Tv upside down. Shake the TV up and down and toward and away from you, at the same time. DO NOT SHAKE SIDE TO SIDE, THIS WILL NOT HELP AND COULD DAMAGE YOUR TV! Maintain the TV's upside-down configuration and set the TV down gently. Begin to tap the back portion of the TV firmly around in any particular locations you think might be in need of some corrective discipline. Turn the TV back over and disconnect and then reconnect all cabling twice. Finally give your TV a good, long, disappointed look. Turn your Vizio TV back on and enjoy."



"Thank you for contacting Vizio Technical Support, i'd like to take the next few minutes[not more than 10], to insincerely thank you for contacting Visio Tech support." "Vizio tech support, putting the "good" in "goodbye"...



Unfair and wrong.



mostly



sort of



well...



(but i will maim myself if she's right)

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#18
Posted 04/21/2011 06:30 PM   
[quote name='photios' date='06 April 2011 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1302112269' post='1220340']
You are limited to doing 720p60 on framepacking, or if you have a Samsung you have the option of doing 1080p60 checkerboard mode which gives you half the vertical resolution per eye.[/quote]

Not entirely true, 1080P24 is also available, plus checkboard is not available on my UN55C8000, only HDMI 1.4 in those two resolutions.
[quote name='photios' date='06 April 2011 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1302112269' post='1220340']

You are limited to doing 720p60 on framepacking, or if you have a Samsung you have the option of doing 1080p60 checkerboard mode which gives you half the vertical resolution per eye.



Not entirely true, 1080P24 is also available, plus checkboard is not available on my UN55C8000, only HDMI 1.4 in those two resolutions.

#19
Posted 04/21/2011 07:09 PM   
[quote name='Pashator_SLI' date='21 April 2011 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1303412989' post='1228592']
Not entirely true, 1080P24 is also available, plus checkboard is not available on my UN55C8000, only HDMI 1.4 in those two resolutions.
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Your un55c8000 supports checkerboard. Whether or not your PC can deliver CB is another issue, but dozens of people are doing CB today with that TV. Let me know if you need more info.
[quote name='Pashator_SLI' date='21 April 2011 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1303412989' post='1228592']

Not entirely true, 1080P24 is also available, plus checkboard is not available on my UN55C8000, only HDMI 1.4 in those two resolutions.



Your un55c8000 supports checkerboard. Whether or not your PC can deliver CB is another issue, but dozens of people are doing CB today with that TV. Let me know if you need more info.

#20
Posted 04/21/2011 07:56 PM   
[quote name='kel1963' date='06 April 2011 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1302119747' post='1220422']
According to Panasonic all of their 2011 line support 3D 1080p @ 60Hz input. I've even specifically asked related to their VIERA TC-L32DT30 & VIERA TC-L37DT30 models since those seem like the perfect size for desktop PC monitor with 3D and TV support.
I even had the representative verify this that specifically for 3D they are capable of accepting 1080p @ 60Hz input signal, not just the common 24Hz.

Edit: I suppose now it just comes down to nVidia as to which graphics hardware and 3D software packages I will use on the new PC build to go with the new monitor choice.
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Here's a link to Panasonic's "Full HD 3D". Click on "HD 3D Technology" on the banner. This is the same 3D Frame Sequential tech that Samsung has, only 1080P/60 vs Samsung 1080P/24. It is not framepacking.

http://www.panasonic.com/3d/explore-the-technology.aspx#3

The graphics shows a Blu Ray disc doing 3D 1080P at 60 frames per second (120 images per second, 1920x1080 per image). We all know that BluRay 3D is authored at 1080P/24, and that the HDMI1.4 spec doesn't have a provision for 1080P/60 in 3D, so how do we resolve this contradiction? My guess is that this is theoretical. If a hypothetical source (e.g. a BluRay 3D disc) could do 1080P/60, then the TV could display the video as shown, thus 1080P/60 in 3D. Panasonic leaves out the fact that these sources don't exist.
Andrew, could you have one of your FAEs look into this? I'm assuming you have at least one liason to Panasonic.
[quote name='kel1963' date='06 April 2011 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1302119747' post='1220422']

According to Panasonic all of their 2011 line support 3D 1080p @ 60Hz input. I've even specifically asked related to their VIERA TC-L32DT30 & VIERA TC-L37DT30 models since those seem like the perfect size for desktop PC monitor with 3D and TV support.

I even had the representative verify this that specifically for 3D they are capable of accepting 1080p @ 60Hz input signal, not just the common 24Hz.



Edit: I suppose now it just comes down to nVidia as to which graphics hardware and 3D software packages I will use on the new PC build to go with the new monitor choice.



Here's a link to Panasonic's "Full HD 3D". Click on "HD 3D Technology" on the banner. This is the same 3D Frame Sequential tech that Samsung has, only 1080P/60 vs Samsung 1080P/24. It is not framepacking.



http://www.panasonic.com/3d/explore-the-technology.aspx#3



The graphics shows a Blu Ray disc doing 3D 1080P at 60 frames per second (120 images per second, 1920x1080 per image). We all know that BluRay 3D is authored at 1080P/24, and that the HDMI1.4 spec doesn't have a provision for 1080P/60 in 3D, so how do we resolve this contradiction? My guess is that this is theoretical. If a hypothetical source (e.g. a BluRay 3D disc) could do 1080P/60, then the TV could display the video as shown, thus 1080P/60 in 3D. Panasonic leaves out the fact that these sources don't exist.

Andrew, could you have one of your FAEs look into this? I'm assuming you have at least one liason to Panasonic.

#21
Posted 04/21/2011 09:16 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='21 April 2011 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1303420601' post='1228644']
Here's a link to Panasonic's "Full HD 3D". Click on "HD 3D Technology" on the banner. This is the same 3D Frame Sequential tech that Samsung has, only 1080P/60 vs Samsung 1080P/24. It is not framepacking.

http://www.panasonic.com/3d/explore-the-technology.aspx#3

The graphics shows a Blu Ray disc doing 3D 1080P at 60 frames per second (120 images per second, 1920x1080 per image). We all know that BluRay 3D is authored at 1080P/24, and that the HDMI1.4 spec doesn't have a provision for 1080P/60 in 3D, so how do we resolve this contradiction? My guess is that this is theoretical. If a hypothetical source (e.g. a BluRay 3D disc) could do 1080P/60, then the TV could display the video as shown, thus 1080P/60 in 3D. Panasonic leaves out the fact that these sources don't exist.
Andrew, could you have one of your FAEs look into this? I'm assuming you have at least one liason to Panasonic.
[/quote]
This page isn't about tech specs or input support. It's just the simple "shutter based 3D" explanation for people who don't already know about it. The 60Hz per eye = 120Hz on that page refers to the display refresh rate (see the text next to the graphic), not the BluRay output rate.

The BluRay 3D specification for MVC is 1080p24, having a BluRay player pumping anything above this would require the BDA to make new specifications. All 3DTVs are designed to receive 1080p24 and then convert it internally in order to be displayed properly.
[quote name='roller11' date='21 April 2011 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1303420601' post='1228644']

Here's a link to Panasonic's "Full HD 3D". Click on "HD 3D Technology" on the banner. This is the same 3D Frame Sequential tech that Samsung has, only 1080P/60 vs Samsung 1080P/24. It is not framepacking.



http://www.panasonic.com/3d/explore-the-technology.aspx#3



The graphics shows a Blu Ray disc doing 3D 1080P at 60 frames per second (120 images per second, 1920x1080 per image). We all know that BluRay 3D is authored at 1080P/24, and that the HDMI1.4 spec doesn't have a provision for 1080P/60 in 3D, so how do we resolve this contradiction? My guess is that this is theoretical. If a hypothetical source (e.g. a BluRay 3D disc) could do 1080P/60, then the TV could display the video as shown, thus 1080P/60 in 3D. Panasonic leaves out the fact that these sources don't exist.

Andrew, could you have one of your FAEs look into this? I'm assuming you have at least one liason to Panasonic.



This page isn't about tech specs or input support. It's just the simple "shutter based 3D" explanation for people who don't already know about it. The 60Hz per eye = 120Hz on that page refers to the display refresh rate (see the text next to the graphic), not the BluRay output rate.



The BluRay 3D specification for MVC is 1080p24, having a BluRay player pumping anything above this would require the BDA to make new specifications. All 3DTVs are designed to receive 1080p24 and then convert it internally in order to be displayed properly.

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#22
Posted 04/21/2011 09:29 PM   
[quote name='BlackSharkfr' date='21 April 2011 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1303421380' post='1228651']
This page isn't about tech specs or input support. It's just the simple "shutter based 3D" explanation for people who don't already know about it. The 60Hz per eye = 120Hz on that page refers to the display refresh rate (see the text next to the graphic), not the BluRay output rate.

[/quote]
Makes total sense. Notice they don't show a framerate graphic for the BluRay output. If they did, it would have to be 24 fps (24 left eye, 24 right eye images per second), and that would spoil the impression they are trying to convey, that 120 unique images are shown on the display every second. Still, the math doesn't quite work out because 120 isn't an interger multiple of 48. This implies an imbalance, that half the frames have one extra left eye refresh, the other half has an extra right eye refresh. I wonder if the math is resolved by the 600 hz subfield since 600 is a multiple of 24?
[quote name='BlackSharkfr' date='21 April 2011 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1303421380' post='1228651']

This page isn't about tech specs or input support. It's just the simple "shutter based 3D" explanation for people who don't already know about it. The 60Hz per eye = 120Hz on that page refers to the display refresh rate (see the text next to the graphic), not the BluRay output rate.





Makes total sense. Notice they don't show a framerate graphic for the BluRay output. If they did, it would have to be 24 fps (24 left eye, 24 right eye images per second), and that would spoil the impression they are trying to convey, that 120 unique images are shown on the display every second. Still, the math doesn't quite work out because 120 isn't an interger multiple of 48. This implies an imbalance, that half the frames have one extra left eye refresh, the other half has an extra right eye refresh. I wonder if the math is resolved by the 600 hz subfield since 600 is a multiple of 24?

#23
Posted 04/21/2011 10:29 PM   
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