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I am looking for a new graphics card due to the fact that my GeForce 6200 cant really run 3d games in stereo without crashing or flickering. I assume this is due to the card and I wanted to know peoples input on the best card to buy for 3d stereo.

I was thinking about the GeForce 8800 GTX, will this work, no problems??
I am looking for a new graphics card due to the fact that my GeForce 6200 cant really run 3d games in stereo without crashing or flickering. I assume this is due to the card and I wanted to know peoples input on the best card to buy for 3d stereo.



I was thinking about the GeForce 8800 GTX, will this work, no problems??

#1
Posted 01/15/2007 01:52 AM   
The G80 doesn't have drivers that support Stereo, Nvidia haven't made them yet and so the people with 8800's wait... - :(
The G80 doesn't have drivers that support Stereo, Nvidia haven't made them yet and so the people with 8800's wait... - :(

#2
Posted 01/15/2007 05:45 AM   
[quote name='prism1029' date='Jan 14 2007, 11:45 PM']The G80 doesn't have drivers that support Stereo, Nvidia haven't made them yet and so the people with 8800's wait... - :(
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Try any quadro cards like Nvidia Quadro 980 Xgl or newer models that support 4 buffers ....
[quote name='prism1029' date='Jan 14 2007, 11:45 PM']The G80 doesn't have drivers that support Stereo, Nvidia haven't made them yet and so the people with 8800's wait... - :(

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Try any quadro cards like Nvidia Quadro 980 Xgl or newer models that support 4 buffers ....

#3
Posted 01/22/2007 03:28 AM   
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#4
Posted 01/22/2007 09:30 AM   
6200 should work, albeit slowly.

The card depends on your budget tbh. If you have a 6200 then We will be assuming your grafix card budget isnt very big?

Some kind of indication might be nice, and then we can tell you what we would buy personally.

As one of the posters said above, I too am waiting for 8800gtx drivers.... but it looks like a long wait is ahead.

I wouldn't touch the quadro with a bardgepole tbh. It is a very VERY old card based on the old GeForce4 from a very long time ago. Your 6200 could probably outperform it in non-professional applications :P
6200 should work, albeit slowly.



The card depends on your budget tbh. If you have a 6200 then We will be assuming your grafix card budget isnt very big?



Some kind of indication might be nice, and then we can tell you what we would buy personally.



As one of the posters said above, I too am waiting for 8800gtx drivers.... but it looks like a long wait is ahead.



I wouldn't touch the quadro with a bardgepole tbh. It is a very VERY old card based on the old GeForce4 from a very long time ago. Your 6200 could probably outperform it in non-professional applications :P

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#5
Posted 01/22/2007 09:32 AM   
och no, folks, c´mon. Be a bit more helpful.
Although a 6200 [i]should[/i] work, the grafics-card isn´t the likely culpit when it comes to flickering/crashing. Your best bet is propably the 78.01 stereo driver. Is that the version you are using? Search this forum for "flickering" to get an idea what could cause this. As for cards, the 7900gto/gtx are the best performing cards with stereo support at the moment.
och no, folks, c´mon. Be a bit more helpful.

Although a 6200 should work, the grafics-card isn´t the likely culpit when it comes to flickering/crashing. Your best bet is propably the 78.01 stereo driver. Is that the version you are using? Search this forum for "flickering" to get an idea what could cause this. As for cards, the 7900gto/gtx are the best performing cards with stereo support at the moment.

#6
Posted 01/22/2007 10:05 AM   
Are you using 3D shutter glasses for 3D stereo? if so, For the flicker problem, it has to do with your monitor's refresh rate. Good 3D without flicker needs refresh rate to be around 120hz. Because in 3D for shutter glasses, the actual refresh rate of 60hz is achieved only when you run the monitor at 120hz. This is because the card is pumping 2 images per screen. Not every monitor - graphics card combo can achieve this.

Couple of questions you have to ask in this case

1. What is the screen resolution with which you are playing or view stereo 3D?

Say for a reference setting of 1024 x 768, most monitors max out around 100 hz. The same applies for the graphics card. It should be able to output to monitor at this rate.. With your 6200 I think it is achievable but the monitor might be the limiting factor then.

2. What is the frame rate that the card is able to pump out for the games you usually play?

If it cant achieve the reference setting of 1024 x 768 reduce the settings to 800 x 640. This will increase frame rate noticeably in scenes where there is lot of objects and action.

3. The third option is to use a good pair of stereo anaglyph glasses and run the stereo driver in this mode. Some limitations are there, for e.g. the color has to be perfectly calibrated otherwise you get color artifacts. It slightly reduces the brightness of scenes and may not be sutiable for game set in dark environments and night

4. Last but not the least the quality of 3 D shutter glasses you are using. A model upward of $100 is excellent and produces good 3D pictures. Besides they are not dependant on Nvidia drivers because the introduce thier own hardware which is optimized.

These guys are the best in 3D stereo tech and they are a good starting point to do some internet research.

[url="http://www.stereographics.com/newsletter/12_02/graphics_card_12_02_frame.html"]http://www.stereographics.com/newsletter/1...2_02_frame.html[/url]
Are you using 3D shutter glasses for 3D stereo? if so, For the flicker problem, it has to do with your monitor's refresh rate. Good 3D without flicker needs refresh rate to be around 120hz. Because in 3D for shutter glasses, the actual refresh rate of 60hz is achieved only when you run the monitor at 120hz. This is because the card is pumping 2 images per screen. Not every monitor - graphics card combo can achieve this.



Couple of questions you have to ask in this case



1. What is the screen resolution with which you are playing or view stereo 3D?



Say for a reference setting of 1024 x 768, most monitors max out around 100 hz. The same applies for the graphics card. It should be able to output to monitor at this rate.. With your 6200 I think it is achievable but the monitor might be the limiting factor then.



2. What is the frame rate that the card is able to pump out for the games you usually play?



If it cant achieve the reference setting of 1024 x 768 reduce the settings to 800 x 640. This will increase frame rate noticeably in scenes where there is lot of objects and action.



3. The third option is to use a good pair of stereo anaglyph glasses and run the stereo driver in this mode. Some limitations are there, for e.g. the color has to be perfectly calibrated otherwise you get color artifacts. It slightly reduces the brightness of scenes and may not be sutiable for game set in dark environments and night



4. Last but not the least the quality of 3 D shutter glasses you are using. A model upward of $100 is excellent and produces good 3D pictures. Besides they are not dependant on Nvidia drivers because the introduce thier own hardware which is optimized.



These guys are the best in 3D stereo tech and they are a good starting point to do some internet research.



http://www.stereographics.com/newsletter/1...2_02_frame.html

#7
Posted 01/27/2007 04:42 PM   
Since the 8800 doesn't have a stereo driver then a 7900GT/GTX/GS+ card and a 19" CRT screen with a refresh rate of 120Hz in 1024*768 will allow You to run games in High settings with excellent stereo. No ghosting/flicker/lagging or anything.
But offcause the 8800 cards is about twice as fast as a 7900 card so it might be worth waiting for that 8800 stereo driver?
Since the 8800 doesn't have a stereo driver then a 7900GT/GTX/GS+ card and a 19" CRT screen with a refresh rate of 120Hz in 1024*768 will allow You to run games in High settings with excellent stereo. No ghosting/flicker/lagging or anything.

But offcause the 8800 cards is about twice as fast as a 7900 card so it might be worth waiting for that 8800 stereo driver?

#8
Posted 01/28/2007 01:05 AM   
OK. Here is the deal when I posted this.

I currently have a 2.1 GHz machine, Pentium 4. I have an NVidia GeForce 6200 graphics card with 256 MB of memory on it. The computer is running 1 GB of RAM.

This set up may run normal stereo peripherals but I am using the less advertised Sharp 3D LCD monitor. The monitor is autostereoscopic. This means that the actual LCD monitor presents the two images, one to each eye.

The monitor will only render 3D when it's a resolution of 1024x768. I am unfamiliar with the rules of refresh rates, perhaps this is where my problem is. However, I am able to run Return to Castle Wolfenstein PERFECTLY and the 3D is amazing. This is also true for a number of DirectX screensavers.

But when I try to run Unreal Tournament 2004 or Grand Theft Auto or Quake 4 the graphics are extremely slow to respond and there is A LOT of flickeriing.

I would appreciate any help on this matter. I will try the 120 Hz refresh rate. If you have any more suggestions please let me know.

BTW, the 3D LCD monitor is truly amazing and for only $400-$500 it's a good deal (if you can fix these problems with stereo).
OK. Here is the deal when I posted this.



I currently have a 2.1 GHz machine, Pentium 4. I have an NVidia GeForce 6200 graphics card with 256 MB of memory on it. The computer is running 1 GB of RAM.



This set up may run normal stereo peripherals but I am using the less advertised Sharp 3D LCD monitor. The monitor is autostereoscopic. This means that the actual LCD monitor presents the two images, one to each eye.



The monitor will only render 3D when it's a resolution of 1024x768. I am unfamiliar with the rules of refresh rates, perhaps this is where my problem is. However, I am able to run Return to Castle Wolfenstein PERFECTLY and the 3D is amazing. This is also true for a number of DirectX screensavers.



But when I try to run Unreal Tournament 2004 or Grand Theft Auto or Quake 4 the graphics are extremely slow to respond and there is A LOT of flickeriing.



I would appreciate any help on this matter. I will try the 120 Hz refresh rate. If you have any more suggestions please let me know.



BTW, the 3D LCD monitor is truly amazing and for only $400-$500 it's a good deal (if you can fix these problems with stereo).

#9
Posted 02/01/2007 12:04 AM   
It could be your graphics card not getting enough power, or your screen resolution is too high... saddly. Try turning it down to 800x600 and then max out the highest that your monitor can do, NOT WHAT WINDOWS THINKS IT CAN DO!!! Remember, the highest refresh rate (that your monitor can obtain) the better the stereo and the less flickering. Give that a try. As for your graphics card, it is like 3 years old now. Time to update dude unless you like playing your 3D stereo games in low resolution. Sorry to be so blunt like that, but I am waiting for the 8800 drivers.
It could be your graphics card not getting enough power, or your screen resolution is too high... saddly. Try turning it down to 800x600 and then max out the highest that your monitor can do, NOT WHAT WINDOWS THINKS IT CAN DO!!! Remember, the highest refresh rate (that your monitor can obtain) the better the stereo and the less flickering. Give that a try. As for your graphics card, it is like 3 years old now. Time to update dude unless you like playing your 3D stereo games in low resolution. Sorry to be so blunt like that, but I am waiting for the 8800 drivers.

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#10
Posted 02/02/2007 01:31 PM   
Hi neulite30,

the problem is definately your graphics card: while your 6200 is well capable of producing 60+ fps in RTCW (which is based on the Quake 3 engine) it just won´t do for Quake 4 based games. Same goes for UT 2004.
Refresh rate itself isn´t an issue since you have an autostereoscopic LCD: it will always operate at 60Hz. BUT (and here´s the big BUT... ;-) your graphics-hardware must be able to render these 60 frames per second. Otherwise, when the graphics driver renders the next image it will take longer than 1/30s to complete. Thus, the image - say, for the left eye - isn´t done yet while the image for the right eye should be displayed already. Result is heavy flickering, faulty or no 3D effect and of course choppy movement.

Since you have a 2.1 GHz P4 I reckon you´ll still have AGP-Bus. The fastest AGP-card is a 7600. It´s available cheap an should be good enough for 60+ fps in Q4 and UT2004. Spending more on a graphics card would not make sense for you since a) the more recent cards are all PCI-Express and B) your CPU isn´t fast enough to provide them with enough input. The overall graphics performance depends on both CPU and GPU to be matched.

Don´t go for suggestions like "I wait for the 8800 3D-drivers" since nVidia is very busy getting the normal Vista-drivers for this card to work so 3D drivers are a long way off. Even then, you´ll need an overclocked Conroe CPU to deliver the necessary CPU horsepower to get the best out of it´s performance. Even a 7900 (if they are available as AGP-cards - which I don´t know) would be slowed down by your CPU (and thus, a waste of money).
And the one thing we can definately exclude: It´s not because your graphics card is not getting enough power. :wacko:
Hi neulite30,



the problem is definately your graphics card: while your 6200 is well capable of producing 60+ fps in RTCW (which is based on the Quake 3 engine) it just won´t do for Quake 4 based games. Same goes for UT 2004.

Refresh rate itself isn´t an issue since you have an autostereoscopic LCD: it will always operate at 60Hz. BUT (and here´s the big BUT... ;-) your graphics-hardware must be able to render these 60 frames per second. Otherwise, when the graphics driver renders the next image it will take longer than 1/30s to complete. Thus, the image - say, for the left eye - isn´t done yet while the image for the right eye should be displayed already. Result is heavy flickering, faulty or no 3D effect and of course choppy movement.



Since you have a 2.1 GHz P4 I reckon you´ll still have AGP-Bus. The fastest AGP-card is a 7600. It´s available cheap an should be good enough for 60+ fps in Q4 and UT2004. Spending more on a graphics card would not make sense for you since a) the more recent cards are all PCI-Express and B) your CPU isn´t fast enough to provide them with enough input. The overall graphics performance depends on both CPU and GPU to be matched.



Don´t go for suggestions like "I wait for the 8800 3D-drivers" since nVidia is very busy getting the normal Vista-drivers for this card to work so 3D drivers are a long way off. Even then, you´ll need an overclocked Conroe CPU to deliver the necessary CPU horsepower to get the best out of it´s performance. Even a 7900 (if they are available as AGP-cards - which I don´t know) would be slowed down by your CPU (and thus, a waste of money).

And the one thing we can definately exclude: It´s not because your graphics card is not getting enough power. :wacko:

#11
Posted 02/04/2007 11:24 AM   
[quote] Since you have a 2.1 GHz P4 I reckon you´ll still have AGP-Bus. The fastest AGP-card is a 7600. It´s available cheap an should be good enough for 60+ fps in Q4 and UT2004. [/quote]

The fastest NVIDIA AGP card is the Gainward Bliss 7800GS+, but with a 2.1, probably a 533fsb, you would be bottlenecked. I would look for a 7600GT. It would also be a good idea to replace your CPU with the fastest your motherboard will handle. You can get socket 478 CPU's cheep from e-bay.
Since you have a 2.1 GHz P4 I reckon you´ll still have AGP-Bus. The fastest AGP-card is a 7600. It´s available cheap an should be good enough for 60+ fps in Q4 and UT2004.




The fastest NVIDIA AGP card is the Gainward Bliss 7800GS+, but with a 2.1, probably a 533fsb, you would be bottlenecked. I would look for a 7600GT. It would also be a good idea to replace your CPU with the fastest your motherboard will handle. You can get socket 478 CPU's cheep from e-bay.

#12
Posted 02/04/2007 12:23 PM   
I had the same problem, only had an AGP slot. Instead of buying a whole new setup. ie memory matched to fsb and so on, I opted to find a motherboard with PCI-E on it that I could simply transfer my components too. I have a 2.4ghz northwood.I run XP. after swapping mainboards simply insert the XP cd and let it install, it will fix the drivers that will fail on boot after a MB swap. for 50$ I simply traded a agp for a pci. Now later on I can go with a extreme or whatever p4 i want.The chipset is alot faster too and Im big into OC'ing. I could burst the CPU additional 500 mhz with no probs. NOW for the wait for those 8800 STEREO drivers. COMEON NVIDIA!

i shoulda bought a ati.

JK

:)
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I had the same problem, only had an AGP slot. Instead of buying a whole new setup. ie memory matched to fsb and so on, I opted to find a motherboard with PCI-E on it that I could simply transfer my components too. I have a 2.4ghz northwood.I run XP. after swapping mainboards simply insert the XP cd and let it install, it will fix the drivers that will fail on boot after a MB swap. for 50$ I simply traded a agp for a pci. Now later on I can go with a extreme or whatever p4 i want.The chipset is alot faster too and Im big into OC'ing. I could burst the CPU additional 500 mhz with no probs. NOW for the wait for those 8800 STEREO drivers. COMEON NVIDIA!



i shoulda bought a ati.



JK



:)

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#13
Posted 06/22/2007 12:10 AM   
[quote name='neulite30' date='Jan 15 2007, 02:52 AM']I am looking for a new graphics card due to the fact that my GeForce 6200 cant really run 3d games in stereo without crashing or flickering. I assume this is due to the card and I wanted to know peoples input on the best card to buy for 3d stereo.

I was thinking about the GeForce 8800 GTX, will this work, no problems??
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I can only advise you to wait with the 8800 since i've waited over a half year for stereodriver for the 8800 series. The 8800 series has an entirely new internal architecture (unified shaders to make it compatible with dx10) and it seems to make some trouble for the driver devs...
However: Rumor has it: The IZ3D monitor manufacturers seems to release drivers for their 22"monitor. Not only for the ordinary nvidia cards. Also for the 8800 series, supporting both HDR and even some postprocessing routines. Add to that support for ATI-cards as well. However those drivers will probably be exclusively for the iz3d-monitor only.
I'm a little pissed cause my intention when buying (November last year) my 8800GTX i did it with some serious stereogaming in mind. Haven't been able to do it yet. So my 8800GTX is only collecting dust in my bookshelf while a 7900GT tries to do the dirty job...
Since sli wont work for stereo either i can recommend the 7900 series (7900GT or 7900GTX) to play stereo. It might also very well pay off to wait and see what happens by time.
[quote name='neulite30' date='Jan 15 2007, 02:52 AM']I am looking for a new graphics card due to the fact that my GeForce 6200 cant really run 3d games in stereo without crashing or flickering. I assume this is due to the card and I wanted to know peoples input on the best card to buy for 3d stereo.



I was thinking about the GeForce 8800 GTX, will this work, no problems??

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I can only advise you to wait with the 8800 since i've waited over a half year for stereodriver for the 8800 series. The 8800 series has an entirely new internal architecture (unified shaders to make it compatible with dx10) and it seems to make some trouble for the driver devs...

However: Rumor has it: The IZ3D monitor manufacturers seems to release drivers for their 22"monitor. Not only for the ordinary nvidia cards. Also for the 8800 series, supporting both HDR and even some postprocessing routines. Add to that support for ATI-cards as well. However those drivers will probably be exclusively for the iz3d-monitor only.

I'm a little pissed cause my intention when buying (November last year) my 8800GTX i did it with some serious stereogaming in mind. Haven't been able to do it yet. So my 8800GTX is only collecting dust in my bookshelf while a 7900GT tries to do the dirty job...

Since sli wont work for stereo either i can recommend the 7900 series (7900GT or 7900GTX) to play stereo. It might also very well pay off to wait and see what happens by time.

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#14
Posted 06/22/2007 12:38 AM   
Sorry to bump an old thread but as of today (April 2008) what is THE best card for 3D?

Would it be a pair of GeForce 7950 GX2's?
Sorry to bump an old thread but as of today (April 2008) what is THE best card for 3D?



Would it be a pair of GeForce 7950 GX2's?

#15
Posted 04/27/2008 11:29 PM   
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