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[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='17 November 2010 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1290011453' post='1147903']
Hi

We communicated back in September that 3DTV is coming mid-late November. Please be patient its coming soon.
[/quote]

Hi Andrew,
It already is late November just over a week to go and we will be in December,
hope it does not get delayed again.
Regards.
Kevin...
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='17 November 2010 - 05:30 PM' timestamp='1290011453' post='1147903']

Hi



We communicated back in September that 3DTV is coming mid-late November. Please be patient its coming soon.





Hi Andrew,

It already is late November just over a week to go and we will be in December,

hope it does not get delayed again.

Regards.

Kevin...

#16
Posted 11/20/2010 01:16 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='16 November 2010 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1289937467' post='1147520']
Please contact me via PM.
[/quote]

I will be getting an EU Samsung PS50C685 3D plasma (US version called PS50C687 I think) later this week.
Sending PM in the hope of getting instructions to feed you tech specs to get the TV into the next update.

ToxicX
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='16 November 2010 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1289937467' post='1147520']

Please contact me via PM.





I will be getting an EU Samsung PS50C685 3D plasma (US version called PS50C687 I think) later this week.

Sending PM in the hope of getting instructions to feed you tech specs to get the TV into the next update.



ToxicX

#17
Posted 11/23/2010 10:18 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='16 November 2010 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1289937467' post='1147520']
Please contact me via PM.
[/quote]

I will be getting an EU Samsung PS50C685 3D plasma (US version called PS50C687 I think) later this week.
Sending PM in the hope of getting instructions to feed you tech specs to get the TV into the next update.

ToxicX
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='16 November 2010 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1289937467' post='1147520']

Please contact me via PM.





I will be getting an EU Samsung PS50C685 3D plasma (US version called PS50C687 I think) later this week.

Sending PM in the hope of getting instructions to feed you tech specs to get the TV into the next update.



ToxicX

#18
Posted 11/23/2010 10:18 PM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='17 November 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1290011453' post='1147903']
We communicated back in September that 3DTV is coming mid-late November. Please be patient its coming soon.
[/quote]

Okay, there are 4 days left in November and it's safe to say that we are in late November or possibly even late-end November. But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.

[pulling out his soapbox]
At this point it is becoming a customer service issue and I would like to suggest that there are a couple of ways to resolve the the stress your customers are feeling about this release. I shelled out about $6000 for a 3DTV and goggles to use with my computer to display slideshows of nearly 3000 stereo pairs taken from all over the world over the last 70 years. Needless to say, I was shocked that my GTX260 (the 400 series wasn't out) would not allow me to display 3D content from my PC on my TV using the TV's goggles and built-in transmitter.

If you would just give us an update on the status of this release, it would undoubtedly put our minds at ease. Heck, if you would explain why you haven't released the software yet, I would most likely be happy to wait another 4 days. My hypothesis is that you are milking the sales of your 3DVision Goggles/Transmitter for the early holiday sales season and you are afraid that releasing the software would impact your sales: your customers might not buy your 3D Vision package because it is not as good as my TV's built-in 3D support.

Well, the problem is that if I shell out the cash to buy your goggles/transmitter and then you release the updates to use my TV's goggles/transmitter, I will have just wasted the money I could have spent on upgrading to the next best graphics card. Plus, I will be considerably less happy and bordering on angry that I senselessly added to my rapidly growing pile of expensive and outdated technologies.

So, on the surface, it makes sense that your marketing department (I am guessing) wants to delay the release the software to enable 3D content from my PC to display on my Samsung 3DTV, perhaps you could show them their error:

If I plan to spend $500 on updating my system to work with my TV (which already pisses me off) and I purchase the 3D Vision for $200, I only have $300 left. Now I can't afford the $425 GTX480 and I am not going to buy the smallest GTX400 just to get rid of it soon when I upgrade to the 480. The delay of this release is now costing you $225 in sales rather than $200. Oh, but wait, that's why you are charging $30 for the 3DTV Play software--an odd price until you look at it. Now, your marketing department boasts a $5 gain in sales and sure enough some of your customers will buy the GTX480 anyways, so you milked them for $650. Great going marketing!

But the biggest cost is customer satisfaction. If I lose $200 because I purchased technology from NVIDIA that immediately becomes obsolete, I am going to think twice about buying NVIDIA in the future and I am not going to be happy. Since I make purchasing decisions for a company of roughly 200 employees, NVIDIA would likely be losing a lot more than $225 by playing this game. And regardless of the leverage that I may have because of my situation, anyone who loves NVIDIA and your commitment to 3D is going enjoy their experience a little less if they have to watch 3D content from their PC with a black eye dealt by a misguided marketing department.

So I am just saying that you could release more information about why the software isn't available (you could even make it up) and I would feel better. If you could release a beta copy that we could purchase with a free update once the bugs were worked out, I would be satisfied. If you would just reassure us that the software was real and that it is still going to be released in the next four days, it would be okay. But now I have missed out on several great deals for Black Friday because you haven't updated the one page of info about 3DTV Play that we have seen since August 2009 or earlier.

See what I am saying? This is about keeping your customers happy. And not just your average customers, we are talking about the people who are itching for the latest and greatest. 3D content has been around since the 1800s, but it hasn't been until now that convenient 3D content is becoming consumable by so many people. But it is precarious and NVIDIA could make it or break it for a lot of people. If the early adopters are frustrated by expensive setups, delayed support or lack of support, and complicated processes, you can rest assured that the 3D craze will fade out quickly like it has in the past.
[stepping down from the soapbox]

Thank you for your commitment to 3D and for your excellent products in general. But please, give us something to chew on and let us know that your focus is our happiness, not your pocketbooks.

jase

p.s. Sorry to blather on like this.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='17 November 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1290011453' post='1147903']

We communicated back in September that 3DTV is coming mid-late November. Please be patient its coming soon.





Okay, there are 4 days left in November and it's safe to say that we are in late November or possibly even late-end November. But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.



[pulling out his soapbox]

At this point it is becoming a customer service issue and I would like to suggest that there are a couple of ways to resolve the the stress your customers are feeling about this release. I shelled out about $6000 for a 3DTV and goggles to use with my computer to display slideshows of nearly 3000 stereo pairs taken from all over the world over the last 70 years. Needless to say, I was shocked that my GTX260 (the 400 series wasn't out) would not allow me to display 3D content from my PC on my TV using the TV's goggles and built-in transmitter.



If you would just give us an update on the status of this release, it would undoubtedly put our minds at ease. Heck, if you would explain why you haven't released the software yet, I would most likely be happy to wait another 4 days. My hypothesis is that you are milking the sales of your 3DVision Goggles/Transmitter for the early holiday sales season and you are afraid that releasing the software would impact your sales: your customers might not buy your 3D Vision package because it is not as good as my TV's built-in 3D support.



Well, the problem is that if I shell out the cash to buy your goggles/transmitter and then you release the updates to use my TV's goggles/transmitter, I will have just wasted the money I could have spent on upgrading to the next best graphics card. Plus, I will be considerably less happy and bordering on angry that I senselessly added to my rapidly growing pile of expensive and outdated technologies.



So, on the surface, it makes sense that your marketing department (I am guessing) wants to delay the release the software to enable 3D content from my PC to display on my Samsung 3DTV, perhaps you could show them their error:



If I plan to spend $500 on updating my system to work with my TV (which already pisses me off) and I purchase the 3D Vision for $200, I only have $300 left. Now I can't afford the $425 GTX480 and I am not going to buy the smallest GTX400 just to get rid of it soon when I upgrade to the 480. The delay of this release is now costing you $225 in sales rather than $200. Oh, but wait, that's why you are charging $30 for the 3DTV Play software--an odd price until you look at it. Now, your marketing department boasts a $5 gain in sales and sure enough some of your customers will buy the GTX480 anyways, so you milked them for $650. Great going marketing!



But the biggest cost is customer satisfaction. If I lose $200 because I purchased technology from NVIDIA that immediately becomes obsolete, I am going to think twice about buying NVIDIA in the future and I am not going to be happy. Since I make purchasing decisions for a company of roughly 200 employees, NVIDIA would likely be losing a lot more than $225 by playing this game. And regardless of the leverage that I may have because of my situation, anyone who loves NVIDIA and your commitment to 3D is going enjoy their experience a little less if they have to watch 3D content from their PC with a black eye dealt by a misguided marketing department.



So I am just saying that you could release more information about why the software isn't available (you could even make it up) and I would feel better. If you could release a beta copy that we could purchase with a free update once the bugs were worked out, I would be satisfied. If you would just reassure us that the software was real and that it is still going to be released in the next four days, it would be okay. But now I have missed out on several great deals for Black Friday because you haven't updated the one page of info about 3DTV Play that we have seen since August 2009 or earlier.



See what I am saying? This is about keeping your customers happy. And not just your average customers, we are talking about the people who are itching for the latest and greatest. 3D content has been around since the 1800s, but it hasn't been until now that convenient 3D content is becoming consumable by so many people. But it is precarious and NVIDIA could make it or break it for a lot of people. If the early adopters are frustrated by expensive setups, delayed support or lack of support, and complicated processes, you can rest assured that the 3D craze will fade out quickly like it has in the past.

[stepping down from the soapbox]



Thank you for your commitment to 3D and for your excellent products in general. But please, give us something to chew on and let us know that your focus is our happiness, not your pocketbooks.



jase



p.s. Sorry to blather on like this.

#19
Posted 11/27/2010 12:08 AM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='17 November 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1290011453' post='1147903']
We communicated back in September that 3DTV is coming mid-late November. Please be patient its coming soon.
[/quote]

Okay, there are 4 days left in November and it's safe to say that we are in late November or possibly even late-end November. But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.

[pulling out his soapbox]
At this point it is becoming a customer service issue and I would like to suggest that there are a couple of ways to resolve the the stress your customers are feeling about this release. I shelled out about $6000 for a 3DTV and goggles to use with my computer to display slideshows of nearly 3000 stereo pairs taken from all over the world over the last 70 years. Needless to say, I was shocked that my GTX260 (the 400 series wasn't out) would not allow me to display 3D content from my PC on my TV using the TV's goggles and built-in transmitter.

If you would just give us an update on the status of this release, it would undoubtedly put our minds at ease. Heck, if you would explain why you haven't released the software yet, I would most likely be happy to wait another 4 days. My hypothesis is that you are milking the sales of your 3DVision Goggles/Transmitter for the early holiday sales season and you are afraid that releasing the software would impact your sales: your customers might not buy your 3D Vision package because it is not as good as my TV's built-in 3D support.

Well, the problem is that if I shell out the cash to buy your goggles/transmitter and then you release the updates to use my TV's goggles/transmitter, I will have just wasted the money I could have spent on upgrading to the next best graphics card. Plus, I will be considerably less happy and bordering on angry that I senselessly added to my rapidly growing pile of expensive and outdated technologies.

So, on the surface, it makes sense that your marketing department (I am guessing) wants to delay the release the software to enable 3D content from my PC to display on my Samsung 3DTV, perhaps you could show them their error:

If I plan to spend $500 on updating my system to work with my TV (which already pisses me off) and I purchase the 3D Vision for $200, I only have $300 left. Now I can't afford the $425 GTX480 and I am not going to buy the smallest GTX400 just to get rid of it soon when I upgrade to the 480. The delay of this release is now costing you $225 in sales rather than $200. Oh, but wait, that's why you are charging $30 for the 3DTV Play software--an odd price until you look at it. Now, your marketing department boasts a $5 gain in sales and sure enough some of your customers will buy the GTX480 anyways, so you milked them for $650. Great going marketing!

But the biggest cost is customer satisfaction. If I lose $200 because I purchased technology from NVIDIA that immediately becomes obsolete, I am going to think twice about buying NVIDIA in the future and I am not going to be happy. Since I make purchasing decisions for a company of roughly 200 employees, NVIDIA would likely be losing a lot more than $225 by playing this game. And regardless of the leverage that I may have because of my situation, anyone who loves NVIDIA and your commitment to 3D is going enjoy their experience a little less if they have to watch 3D content from their PC with a black eye dealt by a misguided marketing department.

So I am just saying that you could release more information about why the software isn't available (you could even make it up) and I would feel better. If you could release a beta copy that we could purchase with a free update once the bugs were worked out, I would be satisfied. If you would just reassure us that the software was real and that it is still going to be released in the next four days, it would be okay. But now I have missed out on several great deals for Black Friday because you haven't updated the one page of info about 3DTV Play that we have seen since August 2009 or earlier.

See what I am saying? This is about keeping your customers happy. And not just your average customers, we are talking about the people who are itching for the latest and greatest. 3D content has been around since the 1800s, but it hasn't been until now that convenient 3D content is becoming consumable by so many people. But it is precarious and NVIDIA could make it or break it for a lot of people. If the early adopters are frustrated by expensive setups, delayed support or lack of support, and complicated processes, you can rest assured that the 3D craze will fade out quickly like it has in the past.
[stepping down from the soapbox]

Thank you for your commitment to 3D and for your excellent products in general. But please, give us something to chew on and let us know that your focus is our happiness, not your pocketbooks.

jase

p.s. Sorry to blather on like this.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='17 November 2010 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1290011453' post='1147903']

We communicated back in September that 3DTV is coming mid-late November. Please be patient its coming soon.





Okay, there are 4 days left in November and it's safe to say that we are in late November or possibly even late-end November. But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.



[pulling out his soapbox]

At this point it is becoming a customer service issue and I would like to suggest that there are a couple of ways to resolve the the stress your customers are feeling about this release. I shelled out about $6000 for a 3DTV and goggles to use with my computer to display slideshows of nearly 3000 stereo pairs taken from all over the world over the last 70 years. Needless to say, I was shocked that my GTX260 (the 400 series wasn't out) would not allow me to display 3D content from my PC on my TV using the TV's goggles and built-in transmitter.



If you would just give us an update on the status of this release, it would undoubtedly put our minds at ease. Heck, if you would explain why you haven't released the software yet, I would most likely be happy to wait another 4 days. My hypothesis is that you are milking the sales of your 3DVision Goggles/Transmitter for the early holiday sales season and you are afraid that releasing the software would impact your sales: your customers might not buy your 3D Vision package because it is not as good as my TV's built-in 3D support.



Well, the problem is that if I shell out the cash to buy your goggles/transmitter and then you release the updates to use my TV's goggles/transmitter, I will have just wasted the money I could have spent on upgrading to the next best graphics card. Plus, I will be considerably less happy and bordering on angry that I senselessly added to my rapidly growing pile of expensive and outdated technologies.



So, on the surface, it makes sense that your marketing department (I am guessing) wants to delay the release the software to enable 3D content from my PC to display on my Samsung 3DTV, perhaps you could show them their error:



If I plan to spend $500 on updating my system to work with my TV (which already pisses me off) and I purchase the 3D Vision for $200, I only have $300 left. Now I can't afford the $425 GTX480 and I am not going to buy the smallest GTX400 just to get rid of it soon when I upgrade to the 480. The delay of this release is now costing you $225 in sales rather than $200. Oh, but wait, that's why you are charging $30 for the 3DTV Play software--an odd price until you look at it. Now, your marketing department boasts a $5 gain in sales and sure enough some of your customers will buy the GTX480 anyways, so you milked them for $650. Great going marketing!



But the biggest cost is customer satisfaction. If I lose $200 because I purchased technology from NVIDIA that immediately becomes obsolete, I am going to think twice about buying NVIDIA in the future and I am not going to be happy. Since I make purchasing decisions for a company of roughly 200 employees, NVIDIA would likely be losing a lot more than $225 by playing this game. And regardless of the leverage that I may have because of my situation, anyone who loves NVIDIA and your commitment to 3D is going enjoy their experience a little less if they have to watch 3D content from their PC with a black eye dealt by a misguided marketing department.



So I am just saying that you could release more information about why the software isn't available (you could even make it up) and I would feel better. If you could release a beta copy that we could purchase with a free update once the bugs were worked out, I would be satisfied. If you would just reassure us that the software was real and that it is still going to be released in the next four days, it would be okay. But now I have missed out on several great deals for Black Friday because you haven't updated the one page of info about 3DTV Play that we have seen since August 2009 or earlier.



See what I am saying? This is about keeping your customers happy. And not just your average customers, we are talking about the people who are itching for the latest and greatest. 3D content has been around since the 1800s, but it hasn't been until now that convenient 3D content is becoming consumable by so many people. But it is precarious and NVIDIA could make it or break it for a lot of people. If the early adopters are frustrated by expensive setups, delayed support or lack of support, and complicated processes, you can rest assured that the 3D craze will fade out quickly like it has in the past.

[stepping down from the soapbox]



Thank you for your commitment to 3D and for your excellent products in general. But please, give us something to chew on and let us know that your focus is our happiness, not your pocketbooks.



jase



p.s. Sorry to blather on like this.

#20
Posted 11/27/2010 12:08 AM   
[quote]But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.[/quote]
I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.
But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.


I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.

#21
Posted 11/27/2010 12:32 AM   
[quote]But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.[/quote]
I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.
But it is certain that we have passed mid-late November and I have been very patient, very patient.


I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.

#22
Posted 11/27/2010 12:32 AM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']
I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.
[/quote]

When will the Sony VPLVW90 Projector get support? I have this projector and would like to know when it will ready.

Also do I need 3DTV play for just Bluray playback through PowerDVD? Or is it only required for Gaming?
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']

I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.





When will the Sony VPLVW90 Projector get support? I have this projector and would like to know when it will ready.



Also do I need 3DTV play for just Bluray playback through PowerDVD? Or is it only required for Gaming?

#23
Posted 11/27/2010 03:04 AM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']
I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.
[/quote]

When will the Sony VPLVW90 Projector get support? I have this projector and would like to know when it will ready.

Also do I need 3DTV play for just Bluray playback through PowerDVD? Or is it only required for Gaming?
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']

I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.





When will the Sony VPLVW90 Projector get support? I have this projector and would like to know when it will ready.



Also do I need 3DTV play for just Bluray playback through PowerDVD? Or is it only required for Gaming?

#24
Posted 11/27/2010 03:04 AM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 08:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']
I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.
[/quote]

Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?

If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.

I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.

There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 08:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']

I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.





Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?



If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.



I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.



There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.

#25
Posted 11/27/2010 06:26 AM   
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 08:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']
I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.
[/quote]

Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?

If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.

I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.

There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.
[quote name='Zloth' date='27 November 2010 - 08:32 AM' timestamp='1290817968' post='1152046']

I would read that as 'mid to late November', which means they expect it in the last half of November. And that's just "expect" - its impossible to be certain with software development.





Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?



If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.



I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.



There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.

#26
Posted 11/27/2010 06:26 AM   
[quote name='piu' date='27 November 2010 - 01:26 AM' timestamp='1290839214' post='1152126']
Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?

If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.

I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.

There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.
[/quote]

Yeah, I gotta back up Zloth on this one - it's pretty much impossible to be certain with software development. Remember, programmers are human beings - they can underestimate, they can forget to account for vacations/illnesses among employees, and there can be significant knowledge gaps that can cause delays. Companies have to make a decision at certain points in development - do you slip schedule, which involves customer frustration, or do you try to push out the remaining few bugs in time? I imagine they're likely in a state where there are a couple bugs of high enough priority that they do not feel comfortable shipping, or there's certain QA benchmarks they want to have completed before release (such as testing the enitre list of 3d Vision games on a reasonable number of TVs.) Microsoft and other large companies have more resources to throw at QA testing, which is one of the few places in SW development that you can actually throw people on in a pinch (though even then, they do need spin up time). Typically, however, you can not simply add people to a project to get it done faster - look up 'Mythical Man Month' to get an idea on how this works.

Just because it's available on Vision-equipped PCs doesn't mean it's ready for primetime on non-Vision PCs - they may have slightly different hardware than stock parts, or may have more tightly controlled hardware - not every GTX 460 is identical, after all. At it's core, this is fundamentally different than regular 3D vision - while I've not seen either in action, the biggest difference I see is that in regular 3D Vision the Nvidia IR emitter controls 3D, whereas in 3D TV play the TV's built-in or addon emitter gets the timing signal sent to it over HDMI. Since you're sending 720p/1080p, at a minimum of 24fps (likely 30-60), with audio (likely uncompressed) - well, that's a lot of bandwidth usage, so timing could become an issue. And if they break HDMI output accidentally? Well, 3D TV Play looks like a flop.

That being said, they could be handling it better. They could be communicating a more exact date since we're closer, they could tell us the nature of current concerns, and they could be offering a limited beta to enthusiasts. I'm anxiously awaiting the release, too - I bought myself a LG 55" 3DTV on sale a couple weeks ago, and while I'm waiting on the glasses, I want to see this shine. I already own at least 30 'Good' or better titles, and I *really* want an excuse to play Batman: Arkham Asylum again. :) All that being said, complaining in a forum (at least without being constructive) isn't gonna help you very much. Personally, I'd rather see a 1-3 week slip with an explanation than a half-baked product get released.

(Why, yes, I am a software developer! Nothing as fun or exciting as games, mind you, but there are certain universal maxims.)
[quote name='piu' date='27 November 2010 - 01:26 AM' timestamp='1290839214' post='1152126']

Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?



If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.



I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.



There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.





Yeah, I gotta back up Zloth on this one - it's pretty much impossible to be certain with software development. Remember, programmers are human beings - they can underestimate, they can forget to account for vacations/illnesses among employees, and there can be significant knowledge gaps that can cause delays. Companies have to make a decision at certain points in development - do you slip schedule, which involves customer frustration, or do you try to push out the remaining few bugs in time? I imagine they're likely in a state where there are a couple bugs of high enough priority that they do not feel comfortable shipping, or there's certain QA benchmarks they want to have completed before release (such as testing the enitre list of 3d Vision games on a reasonable number of TVs.) Microsoft and other large companies have more resources to throw at QA testing, which is one of the few places in SW development that you can actually throw people on in a pinch (though even then, they do need spin up time). Typically, however, you can not simply add people to a project to get it done faster - look up 'Mythical Man Month' to get an idea on how this works.



Just because it's available on Vision-equipped PCs doesn't mean it's ready for primetime on non-Vision PCs - they may have slightly different hardware than stock parts, or may have more tightly controlled hardware - not every GTX 460 is identical, after all. At it's core, this is fundamentally different than regular 3D vision - while I've not seen either in action, the biggest difference I see is that in regular 3D Vision the Nvidia IR emitter controls 3D, whereas in 3D TV play the TV's built-in or addon emitter gets the timing signal sent to it over HDMI. Since you're sending 720p/1080p, at a minimum of 24fps (likely 30-60), with audio (likely uncompressed) - well, that's a lot of bandwidth usage, so timing could become an issue. And if they break HDMI output accidentally? Well, 3D TV Play looks like a flop.



That being said, they could be handling it better. They could be communicating a more exact date since we're closer, they could tell us the nature of current concerns, and they could be offering a limited beta to enthusiasts. I'm anxiously awaiting the release, too - I bought myself a LG 55" 3DTV on sale a couple weeks ago, and while I'm waiting on the glasses, I want to see this shine. I already own at least 30 'Good' or better titles, and I *really* want an excuse to play Batman: Arkham Asylum again. :) All that being said, complaining in a forum (at least without being constructive) isn't gonna help you very much. Personally, I'd rather see a 1-3 week slip with an explanation than a half-baked product get released.



(Why, yes, I am a software developer! Nothing as fun or exciting as games, mind you, but there are certain universal maxims.)

#27
Posted 11/27/2010 09:19 PM   
[quote name='piu' date='27 November 2010 - 01:26 AM' timestamp='1290839214' post='1152126']
Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?

If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.

I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.

There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.
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Yeah, I gotta back up Zloth on this one - it's pretty much impossible to be certain with software development. Remember, programmers are human beings - they can underestimate, they can forget to account for vacations/illnesses among employees, and there can be significant knowledge gaps that can cause delays. Companies have to make a decision at certain points in development - do you slip schedule, which involves customer frustration, or do you try to push out the remaining few bugs in time? I imagine they're likely in a state where there are a couple bugs of high enough priority that they do not feel comfortable shipping, or there's certain QA benchmarks they want to have completed before release (such as testing the enitre list of 3d Vision games on a reasonable number of TVs.) Microsoft and other large companies have more resources to throw at QA testing, which is one of the few places in SW development that you can actually throw people on in a pinch (though even then, they do need spin up time). Typically, however, you can not simply add people to a project to get it done faster - look up 'Mythical Man Month' to get an idea on how this works.

Just because it's available on Vision-equipped PCs doesn't mean it's ready for primetime on non-Vision PCs - they may have slightly different hardware than stock parts, or may have more tightly controlled hardware - not every GTX 460 is identical, after all. At it's core, this is fundamentally different than regular 3D vision - while I've not seen either in action, the biggest difference I see is that in regular 3D Vision the Nvidia IR emitter controls 3D, whereas in 3D TV play the TV's built-in or addon emitter gets the timing signal sent to it over HDMI. Since you're sending 720p/1080p, at a minimum of 24fps (likely 30-60), with audio (likely uncompressed) - well, that's a lot of bandwidth usage, so timing could become an issue. And if they break HDMI output accidentally? Well, 3D TV Play looks like a flop.

That being said, they could be handling it better. They could be communicating a more exact date since we're closer, they could tell us the nature of current concerns, and they could be offering a limited beta to enthusiasts. I'm anxiously awaiting the release, too - I bought myself a LG 55" 3DTV on sale a couple weeks ago, and while I'm waiting on the glasses, I want to see this shine. I already own at least 30 'Good' or better titles, and I *really* want an excuse to play Batman: Arkham Asylum again. :) All that being said, complaining in a forum (at least without being constructive) isn't gonna help you very much. Personally, I'd rather see a 1-3 week slip with an explanation than a half-baked product get released.

(Why, yes, I am a software developer! Nothing as fun or exciting as games, mind you, but there are certain universal maxims.)
[quote name='piu' date='27 November 2010 - 01:26 AM' timestamp='1290839214' post='1152126']

Are you kidding? "its impossible to be certain with software development", then why other companies can decide the the exact software release date? Is it ridiculous if Microsoft said "Windows 7 will be released on 22 Oct 2009" but they can't release it on that date and saying that it is just an "expected" release date?



If Nvidia is uncertain with the release date, please, don't announce it.



I'm very patient to wait 3DTV play for several months. I bought Nvidia's product simply because they claim their product supports 3D TVs. But what I am "rewarded" in this period is delay again and again.



There are still few days before end of Nov. If Nvidia can release 3DTV play before Nov, they still fulfill the "mid-late Nov" promise. Otherwise for people who have been waiting the product like me would be disappointed, extremely disappointed.





Yeah, I gotta back up Zloth on this one - it's pretty much impossible to be certain with software development. Remember, programmers are human beings - they can underestimate, they can forget to account for vacations/illnesses among employees, and there can be significant knowledge gaps that can cause delays. Companies have to make a decision at certain points in development - do you slip schedule, which involves customer frustration, or do you try to push out the remaining few bugs in time? I imagine they're likely in a state where there are a couple bugs of high enough priority that they do not feel comfortable shipping, or there's certain QA benchmarks they want to have completed before release (such as testing the enitre list of 3d Vision games on a reasonable number of TVs.) Microsoft and other large companies have more resources to throw at QA testing, which is one of the few places in SW development that you can actually throw people on in a pinch (though even then, they do need spin up time). Typically, however, you can not simply add people to a project to get it done faster - look up 'Mythical Man Month' to get an idea on how this works.



Just because it's available on Vision-equipped PCs doesn't mean it's ready for primetime on non-Vision PCs - they may have slightly different hardware than stock parts, or may have more tightly controlled hardware - not every GTX 460 is identical, after all. At it's core, this is fundamentally different than regular 3D vision - while I've not seen either in action, the biggest difference I see is that in regular 3D Vision the Nvidia IR emitter controls 3D, whereas in 3D TV play the TV's built-in or addon emitter gets the timing signal sent to it over HDMI. Since you're sending 720p/1080p, at a minimum of 24fps (likely 30-60), with audio (likely uncompressed) - well, that's a lot of bandwidth usage, so timing could become an issue. And if they break HDMI output accidentally? Well, 3D TV Play looks like a flop.



That being said, they could be handling it better. They could be communicating a more exact date since we're closer, they could tell us the nature of current concerns, and they could be offering a limited beta to enthusiasts. I'm anxiously awaiting the release, too - I bought myself a LG 55" 3DTV on sale a couple weeks ago, and while I'm waiting on the glasses, I want to see this shine. I already own at least 30 'Good' or better titles, and I *really* want an excuse to play Batman: Arkham Asylum again. :) All that being said, complaining in a forum (at least without being constructive) isn't gonna help you very much. Personally, I'd rather see a 1-3 week slip with an explanation than a half-baked product get released.



(Why, yes, I am a software developer! Nothing as fun or exciting as games, mind you, but there are certain universal maxims.)

#28
Posted 11/27/2010 09:19 PM   
Me, my LG 47LX9500, my 465 gtx's are waiting patiently!
Me, my LG 47LX9500, my 465 gtx's are waiting patiently!

"This program has perfomed an illegal operation and will be shut down" ??? ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX / AMD FX 8350 / 4X4 DOMINATOR@1600 1.51V / SAMSUNG 256GB SSD RAID 0 / 2 X EVGA GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N SLI / CREATIVE SB X-FI TITANIUM FATAL1TY PRO / EVGA 1300 G2 PSU / CORSAIR HAF XB / CORSAIR H110 CPU COOLER / R.A.T.9 / LG 47LX9500 3D HDTV / WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE 64 SP1 / CURRENT WASTE OF TIME: The son's handmedown low budget gaming system

#29
Posted 11/28/2010 08:45 PM   
50 min. left, Dont think its gonna happen! :(
50 min. left, Dont think its gonna happen! :(

"This program has perfomed an illegal operation and will be shut down" ??? ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX / AMD FX 8350 / 4X4 DOMINATOR@1600 1.51V / SAMSUNG 256GB SSD RAID 0 / 2 X EVGA GTX 980 Ti K|NGP|N SLI / CREATIVE SB X-FI TITANIUM FATAL1TY PRO / EVGA 1300 G2 PSU / CORSAIR HAF XB / CORSAIR H110 CPU COOLER / R.A.T.9 / LG 47LX9500 3D HDTV / WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE 64 SP1 / CURRENT WASTE OF TIME: The son's handmedown low budget gaming system

#30
Posted 12/01/2010 04:08 AM   
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