Upgrade From AW2310 to Asus VG278H Worth It? Looking for benefits in ghosting/crosstalk
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[quote name='foreverseeking' date='08 June 2012 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1339167583' post='1419162']
Compared with my alienware this monitor has no backlight bleeding. It is pretty much pitch black with the curtains closed, a little hit of light but not much and its very even (maybe a tiny bit brighter at the bottom)
Comparing it to the aw2310 its a vast improvment, and to be honest i would almost say it has no bleed.... its pretty much black!
The size keeps making me laugh, it is big. The brightness and colours are really good as well. The aw2310 when bright was BLINDING. this screen seems to be brighter or more vidid but not glaring at me... hard to explain. Just seems like a much less harsher backlight. The ghosting really needs to be sorted out on these monitors though, 2ms reposnse time is way way underneath the concious eye threshold, so why can i see ghosting? i would love to know what the Black to black response time is which really should be the standard for response times.
Aer you in the market for one then jonstatt or comparing with your own?
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I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
[quote name='foreverseeking' date='08 June 2012 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1339167583' post='1419162']
Compared with my alienware this monitor has no backlight bleeding. It is pretty much pitch black with the curtains closed, a little hit of light but not much and its very even (maybe a tiny bit brighter at the bottom)
Comparing it to the aw2310 its a vast improvment, and to be honest i would almost say it has no bleed.... its pretty much black!
The size keeps making me laugh, it is big. The brightness and colours are really good as well. The aw2310 when bright was BLINDING. this screen seems to be brighter or more vidid but not glaring at me... hard to explain. Just seems like a much less harsher backlight. The ghosting really needs to be sorted out on these monitors though, 2ms reposnse time is way way underneath the concious eye threshold, so why can i see ghosting? i would love to know what the Black to black response time is which really should be the standard for response times.
Aer you in the market for one then jonstatt or comparing with your own?
I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
[quote name='jonstatt' date='08 June 2012 - 09:18 PM' timestamp='1339186692' post='1419267']
I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
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Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
[quote name='jonstatt' date='08 June 2012 - 09:18 PM' timestamp='1339186692' post='1419267']
I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
I think there is a difference between a full-on LED screen and a LCD screen that uses LED backlighting, that would be why. I reckon a true LED 120hz monitor would cost a lot more than what we're seeing now.
I think there is a difference between a full-on LED screen and a LCD screen that uses LED backlighting, that would be why. I reckon a true LED 120hz monitor would cost a lot more than what we're seeing now.
[quote name='foreverseeking' date='08 June 2012 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1339193864' post='1419304']
Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
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In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
[quote name='foreverseeking' date='08 June 2012 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1339193864' post='1419304']
Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
[quote name='jonstatt' date='09 June 2012 - 10:21 AM' timestamp='1339233683' post='1419424']
In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
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Thats made that pretty clear, cheers. Sounds like your screen is definatly worse then mine in the light regards, as mine is really realy even. Also, playing just cause 2, the ghosting on this screen is a lot lower then the AW2310, i think i just wasn't "wowed" by it at first as i was looking for the ghosing.... but when im just playing i really dont notice it, but with the AW2310 ust cause 2 ghosting like a mofo expecially when on the white sand (and the character is very dark).
This screen is such a step up, and the more i use it the more i appreciate it :-)
[quote name='jonstatt' date='09 June 2012 - 10:21 AM' timestamp='1339233683' post='1419424']
In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
Thats made that pretty clear, cheers. Sounds like your screen is definatly worse then mine in the light regards, as mine is really realy even. Also, playing just cause 2, the ghosting on this screen is a lot lower then the AW2310, i think i just wasn't "wowed" by it at first as i was looking for the ghosing.... but when im just playing i really dont notice it, but with the AW2310 ust cause 2 ghosting like a mofo expecially when on the white sand (and the character is very dark).
This screen is such a step up, and the more i use it the more i appreciate it :-)
I got the vg278h monitor 2 months ago from amazon. The delivery package looked like one of those poor boxes that ace ventura kicked around, and there was no padding at all inside. However, the monitor worked and turned out great!
Brightness: Super bright! Alot brighter than my old monitor.
Color: Alot more colorful and vibrant than my old monitor (Asus vw224u) which had the same exact specs on paper as the 278h except for resolution and contrast ratio. The blacks are definitely a lot darker on this monitor, and even more so when you turn down the brightness to match the vw224u.
Ghosting: None. The 120 hz is insanely awesome.
Cross talk: I don't see any in normal situations. But if there is a ton of white on the screen, you can see a bit of cross talk with the darker objects, but its not noticeable unless you're really looking for it -- it doesn't break the game.
Backlight bleeding: When I first got it, there was some bleeding on the top. But now when I look for it, its not there anymore, it went away!
Dead pixels: None. Wow! I'm just getting lucky with Asus I guess!
Overall this monitor is freaking amazing. I pondered for 2 weeks on which monitor to get and I don't regret this choice! The only other one I was going to get was the Benq, but I heard horror stories about their built in emitter not working + crappy customer service when you try to RMA.
Also, I don't plan on doing paint work or picture editing so a TN panel is no problem for me! (I think its already damned good enough anyway, I own a few IPS monitors and the only difference I see is a slight colorshift with the TN's.)
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
I got the vg278h monitor 2 months ago from amazon. The delivery package looked like one of those poor boxes that ace ventura kicked around, and there was no padding at all inside. However, the monitor worked and turned out great!
Brightness: Super bright! Alot brighter than my old monitor.
Color: Alot more colorful and vibrant than my old monitor (Asus vw224u) which had the same exact specs on paper as the 278h except for resolution and contrast ratio. The blacks are definitely a lot darker on this monitor, and even more so when you turn down the brightness to match the vw224u.
Ghosting: None. The 120 hz is insanely awesome.
Cross talk: I don't see any in normal situations. But if there is a ton of white on the screen, you can see a bit of cross talk with the darker objects, but its not noticeable unless you're really looking for it -- it doesn't break the game.
Backlight bleeding: When I first got it, there was some bleeding on the top. But now when I look for it, its not there anymore, it went away!
Dead pixels: None. Wow! I'm just getting lucky with Asus I guess!
Overall this monitor is freaking amazing. I pondered for 2 weeks on which monitor to get and I don't regret this choice! The only other one I was going to get was the Benq, but I heard horror stories about their built in emitter not working + crappy customer service when you try to RMA.
Also, I don't plan on doing paint work or picture editing so a TN panel is no problem for me! (I think its already damned good enough anyway, I own a few IPS monitors and the only difference I see is a slight colorshift with the TN's.)
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
[quote name='SuperHappyLuckyNumber1' date='11 June 2012 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1339372461' post='1419925']
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
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Doesnt make sense does it? To me its almost like screen snobbery. Ive seen it written in one thread regarding 3D monitors "ASUS 278H has a crappy resolution with really low dot pitch, stick to IPS" Are people living in denial? There isnt a single IPS 3D gaming ready model that i know about as they simply cant get the response time quick enough, otherwise sure! i would love 4x the resolution.... but then my graphics card would have to be in quad SLI to play 3d gaming... meaning £2000 on cards alone, and £1000 a week on electricity!!! We are simply YEARS away from super res gaming in 3D on one card (which as much as the geeks among us hate to admit, most people only use one card!)So for the time being, i'll take my 'crappy 1080' Asus and smile knowing im getting a silky smooth near crosstalk free experiance.
[quote name='jonstatt' date='11 June 2012 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1339429573' post='1420107']
I believe that Asus guarantee stuck pixel perfection for this monitor. At least in the UK that seems to be the case.
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If thats true that's simply amazing. Maybe that explains the high price for this monitor! I ahvnt looked for dead pixels on mine, as once i notice it i will spot it all the time. Looks good though! other then ive turned my brightness down to 0% now! lol, had it on at defualt for the first week, but suffered from some serious eye strain which im putting down to the screens brightness. Ok so it doesnt look as 'shiny' now, but as least im not getting sun burn any longer /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
[quote name='SuperHappyLuckyNumber1' date='11 June 2012 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1339372461' post='1419925']
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
Doesnt make sense does it? To me its almost like screen snobbery. Ive seen it written in one thread regarding 3D monitors "ASUS 278H has a crappy resolution with really low dot pitch, stick to IPS" Are people living in denial? There isnt a single IPS 3D gaming ready model that i know about as they simply cant get the response time quick enough, otherwise sure! i would love 4x the resolution.... but then my graphics card would have to be in quad SLI to play 3d gaming... meaning £2000 on cards alone, and £1000 a week on electricity!!! We are simply YEARS away from super res gaming in 3D on one card (which as much as the geeks among us hate to admit, most people only use one card!)So for the time being, i'll take my 'crappy 1080' Asus and smile knowing im getting a silky smooth near crosstalk free experiance.
[quote name='jonstatt' date='11 June 2012 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1339429573' post='1420107']
I believe that Asus guarantee stuck pixel perfection for this monitor. At least in the UK that seems to be the case.
If thats true that's simply amazing. Maybe that explains the high price for this monitor! I ahvnt looked for dead pixels on mine, as once i notice it i will spot it all the time. Looks good though! other then ive turned my brightness down to 0% now! lol, had it on at defualt for the first week, but suffered from some serious eye strain which im putting down to the screens brightness. Ok so it doesnt look as 'shiny' now, but as least im not getting sun burn any longer /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
Compared with my alienware this monitor has no backlight bleeding. It is pretty much pitch black with the curtains closed, a little hit of light but not much and its very even (maybe a tiny bit brighter at the bottom)
Comparing it to the aw2310 its a vast improvment, and to be honest i would almost say it has no bleed.... its pretty much black!
The size keeps making me laugh, it is big. The brightness and colours are really good as well. The aw2310 when bright was BLINDING. this screen seems to be brighter or more vidid but not glaring at me... hard to explain. Just seems like a much less harsher backlight. The ghosting really needs to be sorted out on these monitors though, 2ms reposnse time is way way underneath the concious eye threshold, so why can i see ghosting? i would love to know what the Black to black response time is which really should be the standard for response times.
Aer you in the market for one then jonstatt or comparing with your own?
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I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
Compared with my alienware this monitor has no backlight bleeding. It is pretty much pitch black with the curtains closed, a little hit of light but not much and its very even (maybe a tiny bit brighter at the bottom)
Comparing it to the aw2310 its a vast improvment, and to be honest i would almost say it has no bleed.... its pretty much black!
The size keeps making me laugh, it is big. The brightness and colours are really good as well. The aw2310 when bright was BLINDING. this screen seems to be brighter or more vidid but not glaring at me... hard to explain. Just seems like a much less harsher backlight. The ghosting really needs to be sorted out on these monitors though, 2ms reposnse time is way way underneath the concious eye threshold, so why can i see ghosting? i would love to know what the Black to black response time is which really should be the standard for response times.
Aer you in the market for one then jonstatt or comparing with your own?
I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
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Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
I have one. I am just not all that happy with the backlight evenness. I don't have those oval horror stories of the early batches, but I find black screens just look a bit blotchy at night when there are no lights on. The bottom of the screen is a bit lighter on all of them as far as I know but I can also see a slight brighter area near the middle of the screen. I do have some traditional backlight bleed at the top left and top right edges. Crosstalk (lack of) is the best I have seen on these monitors and I also had the AW2310 before.
Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti
Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
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In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
Do you notice the backlight bleeding and unevenness in normal usage or just when testing? My alienware was defiantly much worse right from the bat. I could visiably see the bleeding at the top even with normal brightness on desktop etc. My asus kicks its arse on that front. I have read on other forums though that this blotchyness can increase with the monitors age, so we'll see, but mine is very uniform (but not perfect) but in normal coditions i dont notice any problems (and ive been playing a 3d game with some very dark scenes, didnt notice anything at all whereas with my aw2310 i would have seen some serious bleeding.
What i dont understand is, why should there be any bleeding and light at all in dark scenes? I thought LED was supposed to make it pitch black as the lights turned off... obviosuly that is not the case, can anyone explain if this is limited to certain monitors, or if its just that LED black levels advertised has a little bit of snake oil mixed in?
In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
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Thats made that pretty clear, cheers. Sounds like your screen is definatly worse then mine in the light regards, as mine is really realy even. Also, playing just cause 2, the ghosting on this screen is a lot lower then the AW2310, i think i just wasn't "wowed" by it at first as i was looking for the ghosing.... but when im just playing i really dont notice it, but with the AW2310 ust cause 2 ghosting like a mofo expecially when on the white sand (and the character is very dark).
This screen is such a step up, and the more i use it the more i appreciate it :-)
In simplest terms, the LED backlight is simply an alternative to the CCFL tubes of the past. Its primary use in modern televisions enables better power consumption and thinner bezels. When enough LEDs are used either at the sides, or significantly better, behind the LCD panel, then they can do something called local dimming. This enables the brightness of the LEDs to be changed from max to zero depending on the scene. The Asus monitor does not do local dimming. So when displaying an "all black" screen, the backlight is still enabled and some light comes through. When the LEDs are placed to the sides rather than behind, one of the challenges is backlight uniformity. They use an optical array behind the LCD panel that channels the light across the screen. However these arrays are rarely perfect and as a result, parts of the screen can be brighter than other. This may be seen during dark scenes, bright scenes or both. This is what creates the blotchy effect I was describing. I am sitting now in a darkened room, and I cannot see it. But at night with all lights off, it is noticeable. I like to play 3D games in the dark because I find the immersion increases with no "real world" distractions. Traditional backlight bleed, which is seen as bright areas at the very edge of the screen, is a TN panel thing and its a bit of a lottery regarding this. I have some of this too, but actually it bothers me less than the blotchiness.
Thats made that pretty clear, cheers. Sounds like your screen is definatly worse then mine in the light regards, as mine is really realy even. Also, playing just cause 2, the ghosting on this screen is a lot lower then the AW2310, i think i just wasn't "wowed" by it at first as i was looking for the ghosing.... but when im just playing i really dont notice it, but with the AW2310 ust cause 2 ghosting like a mofo expecially when on the white sand (and the character is very dark).
This screen is such a step up, and the more i use it the more i appreciate it :-)
OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti
Brightness: Super bright! Alot brighter than my old monitor.
Color: Alot more colorful and vibrant than my old monitor (Asus vw224u) which had the same exact specs on paper as the 278h except for resolution and contrast ratio. The blacks are definitely a lot darker on this monitor, and even more so when you turn down the brightness to match the vw224u.
Ghosting: None. The 120 hz is insanely awesome.
Cross talk: I don't see any in normal situations. But if there is a ton of white on the screen, you can see a bit of cross talk with the darker objects, but its not noticeable unless you're really looking for it -- it doesn't break the game.
Backlight bleeding: When I first got it, there was some bleeding on the top. But now when I look for it, its not there anymore, it went away!
Dead pixels: None. Wow! I'm just getting lucky with Asus I guess!
Overall this monitor is freaking amazing. I pondered for 2 weeks on which monitor to get and I don't regret this choice! The only other one I was going to get was the Benq, but I heard horror stories about their built in emitter not working + crappy customer service when you try to RMA.
Also, I don't plan on doing paint work or picture editing so a TN panel is no problem for me! (I think its already damned good enough anyway, I own a few IPS monitors and the only difference I see is a slight colorshift with the TN's.)
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
Brightness: Super bright! Alot brighter than my old monitor.
Color: Alot more colorful and vibrant than my old monitor (Asus vw224u) which had the same exact specs on paper as the 278h except for resolution and contrast ratio. The blacks are definitely a lot darker on this monitor, and even more so when you turn down the brightness to match the vw224u.
Ghosting: None. The 120 hz is insanely awesome.
Cross talk: I don't see any in normal situations. But if there is a ton of white on the screen, you can see a bit of cross talk with the darker objects, but its not noticeable unless you're really looking for it -- it doesn't break the game.
Backlight bleeding: When I first got it, there was some bleeding on the top. But now when I look for it, its not there anymore, it went away!
Dead pixels: None. Wow! I'm just getting lucky with Asus I guess!
Overall this monitor is freaking amazing. I pondered for 2 weeks on which monitor to get and I don't regret this choice! The only other one I was going to get was the Benq, but I heard horror stories about their built in emitter not working + crappy customer service when you try to RMA.
Also, I don't plan on doing paint work or picture editing so a TN panel is no problem for me! (I think its already damned good enough anyway, I own a few IPS monitors and the only difference I see is a slight colorshift with the TN's.)
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
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Doesnt make sense does it? To me its almost like screen snobbery. Ive seen it written in one thread regarding 3D monitors "ASUS 278H has a crappy resolution with really low dot pitch, stick to IPS" Are people living in denial? There isnt a single IPS 3D gaming ready model that i know about as they simply cant get the response time quick enough, otherwise sure! i would love 4x the resolution.... but then my graphics card would have to be in quad SLI to play 3d gaming... meaning £2000 on cards alone, and £1000 a week on electricity!!! We are simply YEARS away from super res gaming in 3D on one card (which as much as the geeks among us hate to admit, most people only use one card!)So for the time being, i'll take my 'crappy 1080' Asus and smile knowing im getting a silky smooth near crosstalk free experiance.
[quote name='jonstatt' date='11 June 2012 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1339429573' post='1420107']
I believe that Asus guarantee stuck pixel perfection for this monitor. At least in the UK that seems to be the case.
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If thats true that's simply amazing. Maybe that explains the high price for this monitor! I ahvnt looked for dead pixels on mine, as once i notice it i will spot it all the time. Looks good though! other then ive turned my brightness down to 0% now! lol, had it on at defualt for the first week, but suffered from some serious eye strain which im putting down to the screens brightness. Ok so it doesnt look as 'shiny' now, but as least im not getting sun burn any longer
And lastly, people complain that 1920x1080 is a crappy and low resolution. All I gotta say about that is WTF! Since when did a resolution above standard HD become regarded as low-res?! If you want low-res, look at the 800x600 monitors some companies are still manufacutring.
Doesnt make sense does it? To me its almost like screen snobbery. Ive seen it written in one thread regarding 3D monitors "ASUS 278H has a crappy resolution with really low dot pitch, stick to IPS" Are people living in denial? There isnt a single IPS 3D gaming ready model that i know about as they simply cant get the response time quick enough, otherwise sure! i would love 4x the resolution.... but then my graphics card would have to be in quad SLI to play 3d gaming... meaning £2000 on cards alone, and £1000 a week on electricity!!! We are simply YEARS away from super res gaming in 3D on one card (which as much as the geeks among us hate to admit, most people only use one card!)So for the time being, i'll take my 'crappy 1080' Asus and smile knowing im getting a silky smooth near crosstalk free experiance.
[quote name='jonstatt' date='11 June 2012 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1339429573' post='1420107']
I believe that Asus guarantee stuck pixel perfection for this monitor. At least in the UK that seems to be the case.
If thats true that's simply amazing. Maybe that explains the high price for this monitor! I ahvnt looked for dead pixels on mine, as once i notice it i will spot it all the time. Looks good though! other then ive turned my brightness down to 0% now! lol, had it on at defualt for the first week, but suffered from some serious eye strain which im putting down to the screens brightness. Ok so it doesnt look as 'shiny' now, but as least im not getting sun burn any longer
OS: Win 8 CPU: I7 4770k 3.5GZ GPU: GTX 780ti