IM thinking of getting a 3DTV to game in 3D is it worth it?
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[quote="jblanc03"]Thanks for all of your innput everyone.
I have EVGA GTX680 4GB Classifed's Overclocked to 1400mhz core and 3750mhz Memory 3WAY SLI!
are you absolutley sure i cant get 60fps on a 3DTV?????[/quote]
Depends upon the game of course. Older stuff you should have no problem with tri-SLI 680. The only drawback with those cards is they'll be 2G, which doesn't work well with stuff like WatchDogs or Mordor, and probably newer stuff as it comes out.
Since you said you are more interested in older games, I'd stick with your current setup. It's still terrific.
For screen- do not blindly dismiss 720p projectors as inadequate based solely on resolution. I use one every day, and also have a 1080p monitor, and the projector blows it out of the water. (And also a DK2 and the projector blows it out of the water too).
The resolution is not visible when running in 3D, you get twice as much data for every frame because of 120Hz. It's all about arc-seconds of visual acuity. The closer the screen, the more pixels you need.
The DLP has zero ghosting. And projector sized screens make the characters life size. I believe this is a big reason I like it so much better than monitors, where it doesn't feel immersive.
There is another huge advantage to 720p- no upgrade of hardware. Lower pixel cost=lower GPU cost. I can run AC4 on my projector with SLI 580 because of the lower resolution.
I try to use every new technology that comes out, and still today the DLP projectors are the best I've seen. (have not seen betc's checkboard TV in real life)
jblanc03 said:Thanks for all of your innput everyone.
I have EVGA GTX680 4GB Classifed's Overclocked to 1400mhz core and 3750mhz Memory 3WAY SLI!
are you absolutley sure i cant get 60fps on a 3DTV?????
Depends upon the game of course. Older stuff you should have no problem with tri-SLI 680. The only drawback with those cards is they'll be 2G, which doesn't work well with stuff like WatchDogs or Mordor, and probably newer stuff as it comes out.
Since you said you are more interested in older games, I'd stick with your current setup. It's still terrific.
For screen- do not blindly dismiss 720p projectors as inadequate based solely on resolution. I use one every day, and also have a 1080p monitor, and the projector blows it out of the water. (And also a DK2 and the projector blows it out of the water too).
The resolution is not visible when running in 3D, you get twice as much data for every frame because of 120Hz. It's all about arc-seconds of visual acuity. The closer the screen, the more pixels you need.
The DLP has zero ghosting. And projector sized screens make the characters life size. I believe this is a big reason I like it so much better than monitors, where it doesn't feel immersive.
There is another huge advantage to 720p- no upgrade of hardware. Lower pixel cost=lower GPU cost. I can run AC4 on my projector with SLI 580 because of the lower resolution.
I try to use every new technology that comes out, and still today the DLP projectors are the best I've seen. (have not seen betc's checkboard TV in real life)
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
[quote="bo3b"][quote="jblanc03"]Thanks for all of your innput everyone.
I have EVGA GTX680 4GB Classifed's Overclocked to 1400mhz core and 3750mhz Memory 3WAY SLI!
are you absolutley sure i cant get 60fps on a 3DTV?????[/quote]
Depends upon the game of course. Older stuff you should have no problem with tri-SLI 680. The only drawback with those cards is they'll be 2G, which doesn't work well with stuff like WatchDogs or Mordor, and probably newer stuff as it comes out.
Since you said you are more interested in older games, I'd stick with your current setup. It's still terrific.
For screen- do not blindly dismiss 720p projectors as inadequate based solely on resolution. I use one every day, and also have a 1080p monitor, and the projector blows it out of the water. (And also a DK2 and the projector blows it out of the water too).
The resolution is not visible when running in 3D, you get twice as much data for every frame because of 120Hz. It's all about arc-seconds of visual acuity. The closer the screen, the more pixels you need.
The DLP has zero ghosting. And projector sized screens make the characters life size. I believe this is a big reason I like it so much better than monitors, where it doesn't feel immersive.
There is another huge advantage to 720p- no upgrade of hardware. Lower pixel cost=lower GPU cost. I can run AC4 on my projector with SLI 580 because of the lower resolution.
I try to use every new technology that comes out, and still today the DLP projectors are the best I've seen. (have not seen betc's checkboard TV in real life)[/quote]
sorry there 4GB each dummy
not 2GB
jblanc03 said:Thanks for all of your innput everyone.
I have EVGA GTX680 4GB Classifed's Overclocked to 1400mhz core and 3750mhz Memory 3WAY SLI!
are you absolutley sure i cant get 60fps on a 3DTV?????
Depends upon the game of course. Older stuff you should have no problem with tri-SLI 680. The only drawback with those cards is they'll be 2G, which doesn't work well with stuff like WatchDogs or Mordor, and probably newer stuff as it comes out.
Since you said you are more interested in older games, I'd stick with your current setup. It's still terrific.
For screen- do not blindly dismiss 720p projectors as inadequate based solely on resolution. I use one every day, and also have a 1080p monitor, and the projector blows it out of the water. (And also a DK2 and the projector blows it out of the water too).
The resolution is not visible when running in 3D, you get twice as much data for every frame because of 120Hz. It's all about arc-seconds of visual acuity. The closer the screen, the more pixels you need.
The DLP has zero ghosting. And projector sized screens make the characters life size. I believe this is a big reason I like it so much better than monitors, where it doesn't feel immersive.
There is another huge advantage to 720p- no upgrade of hardware. Lower pixel cost=lower GPU cost. I can run AC4 on my projector with SLI 580 because of the lower resolution.
I try to use every new technology that comes out, and still today the DLP projectors are the best I've seen. (have not seen betc's checkboard TV in real life)
[quote="jblanc03"] sorry there 4GB each
not 2GB
[/quote]
It's spelled they're as in they are.
simple enough to point out a mistake without name calling
Yep, my mistake. I help a lot of people, and sometimes I go to fast. You also did not specify your card size in your first post, which is where I looked. (and don't put in your sig where it makes it easier for everyone)
4G 680's are fairly rare.
[url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/756335/geforce-drivers/power-management-feature-in-nvidia-control-panel-hidden-in-windows-xp/post/4256696/#4256696[/url]
[quote="jblanc03"]NO ONE HAS EVEN BOTHERED TO HELP ME!!!!!!!!
WHY!!!![/quote]
I know I'm done here.
Yep, my mistake. I help a lot of people, and sometimes I go to fast. You also did not specify your card size in your first post, which is where I looked. (and don't put in your sig where it makes it easier for everyone)
4G 680's are fairly rare.
who on earth would view a tv from the couch !!! i do agree fish99, if you are sitting on the couch, get a monitor
i sit 1 metre from the screen, it takes up a schiteload more viewable area than a tiny 24". its all about immersion. and given the focal depth is way behind the tv, it doesnt really matter how close you sit
who on earth would view a tv from the couch !!! i do agree fish99, if you are sitting on the couch, get a monitor
i sit 1 metre from the screen, it takes up a schiteload more viewable area than a tiny 24". its all about immersion. and given the focal depth is way behind the tv, it doesnt really matter how close you sit
Maybe he meant dummy in a friendly way. I call my friends dumb@sses all the time. We're all friends here, right?
Pirateguybrush: Remember that time when we were trying to figure out a custom resolution for the w1070 that would allow to use 1600x900 in 3D? We failed miserably but those were the days.
D-Man: You opened the door to downsampling for a 3D novice a while back. Using that info I was able to create a 2560x1441 resolution that downsamples correctly on a few projectors. You also inspired my future porn star nickname.
DBJ: You crazy coked up looking monster toy from the 80s. I was able to share that projector technique with you, bringing peace to the monster toys and the popples.
bo3b: We pruned the hedges of many small villages. Good times.
See, we're all friends here. Maybe we shouldn't jump on this guy. Maybe he doesn't know how to joke through text. In the end I think you're all dumb@asses for clinging to this 3D thing myself, even though it's awesome and other people don't know what they're missing out on. There's like 10 active members on this forum. We're pretty pathetic.
Maybe he meant dummy in a friendly way. I call my friends dumb@sses all the time. We're all friends here, right?
Pirateguybrush: Remember that time when we were trying to figure out a custom resolution for the w1070 that would allow to use 1600x900 in 3D? We failed miserably but those were the days.
D-Man: You opened the door to downsampling for a 3D novice a while back. Using that info I was able to create a 2560x1441 resolution that downsamples correctly on a few projectors. You also inspired my future porn star nickname.
DBJ: You crazy coked up looking monster toy from the 80s. I was able to share that projector technique with you, bringing peace to the monster toys and the popples.
bo3b: We pruned the hedges of many small villages. Good times.
See, we're all friends here. Maybe we shouldn't jump on this guy. Maybe he doesn't know how to joke through text. In the end I think you're all dumb@asses for clinging to this 3D thing myself, even though it's awesome and other people don't know what they're missing out on. There's like 10 active members on this forum. We're pretty pathetic.
Gigabyte Gaming 5 Z170X, i7-6700K @ 4.4ghz, Asus GTX 2080 ti Strix OC , 16gb DDR4 Corsair Vengence 2666, LG 60uh8500 and 49ub8500 passive 4K 3D EDID, Dell S2716DG.
What a cunt. I mean that in a totally friendly way btw.
Its all about FOV IMO. I highly recommend a checkerboard Samsung, but i've never tried a projector and hear they are awesome. Size of stuff on screen makes a big difference and its very important imo to match the actual size of things to the size they'd have at a given distance.
I really want to see the Mass Effect Presidium in 3D on a projector.
What a cunt. I mean that in a totally friendly way btw.
Its all about FOV IMO. I highly recommend a checkerboard Samsung, but i've never tried a projector and hear they are awesome. Size of stuff on screen makes a big difference and its very important imo to match the actual size of things to the size they'd have at a given distance.
I really want to see the Mass Effect Presidium in 3D on a projector.
Guy's. You need an F550 fresnel lens coupled with a 3D 120hz 3D Vision Ready monitor. Situate the lens approx 6 inches in front of the monitor and your eyes the same distance from the lens and the whole of your FOV is covered. Check out my thread here on the MTBS forum.
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12795&sid=5fe2e0567336d87275079561ef735725
Guy's. You need an F550 fresnel lens coupled with a 3D 120hz 3D Vision Ready monitor. Situate the lens approx 6 inches in front of the monitor and your eyes the same distance from the lens and the whole of your FOV is covered. Check out my thread here on the MTBS forum.
[quote="slipstream"]Guy's. You need an F550 fresnel lens coupled with a 3D 120hz 3D Vision Ready monitor. Situate the lens approx 6 inches in front of the monitor and your eyes the same distance from the lens and the whole of your FOV is covered. Check out my thread here on the MTBS forum.
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12795&sid=5fe2e0567336d87275079561ef735725[/quote]
Oh yeah...definitely interested. Thanks very much for the info, I'll send you a pm.
slipstream said:Guy's. You need an F550 fresnel lens coupled with a 3D 120hz 3D Vision Ready monitor. Situate the lens approx 6 inches in front of the monitor and your eyes the same distance from the lens and the whole of your FOV is covered. Check out my thread here on the MTBS forum.
Review by Cyber Reality.
So I got the fresnel lens. It is AMAZING!!! First off, it DOES actually work with the Zalman (to my surprise). The 3D effect is great. What it does to your FOV is really something to see. Playing 3D games on the Zalman with the fresnel lens is very much the experience you would imagine you get with an HMD (but rarely do with consumer level models). The way I had it set up, the lens would completely cover my stereoscopic FOV. Not sure exactly what number that works out to, but its somewhere between 60 and 90 degrees FOV. Really, it looks amazing, its almost like you get sucked into the game. People need to try this themselves.
I played some of UT2004, which was really nice. The depth of shooting rockets was really nice (with the stream of smoke) and the level just felt more real. Somehow it increased the sense of 3D, not sure why. But it did look more 3D. Then I played GRID, which really blew me away. I'm telling you, fresnel+3D is an epic win. Its funny because I did experiment with this many years ago, but I guess I just forgot how good it looked. Plus it makes a 22" screen feel like a 26" screen. Its just a win-win situation. The only downside is that it did give me a headache after about 30 minutes. A small price to pay for great immersion.
So I got the fresnel lens. It is AMAZING!!! First off, it DOES actually work with the Zalman (to my surprise). The 3D effect is great. What it does to your FOV is really something to see. Playing 3D games on the Zalman with the fresnel lens is very much the experience you would imagine you get with an HMD (but rarely do with consumer level models). The way I had it set up, the lens would completely cover my stereoscopic FOV. Not sure exactly what number that works out to, but its somewhere between 60 and 90 degrees FOV. Really, it looks amazing, its almost like you get sucked into the game. People need to try this themselves.
I played some of UT2004, which was really nice. The depth of shooting rockets was really nice (with the stream of smoke) and the level just felt more real. Somehow it increased the sense of 3D, not sure why. But it did look more 3D. Then I played GRID, which really blew me away. I'm telling you, fresnel+3D is an epic win. Its funny because I did experiment with this many years ago, but I guess I just forgot how good it looked. Plus it makes a 22" screen feel like a 26" screen. Its just a win-win situation. The only downside is that it did give me a headache after about 30 minutes. A small price to pay for great immersion.
[quote="Libertine"]What a cunt. I mean that in a totally friendly way btw.[/quote]
LOL
[quote="Libertine"]I really want to see the Mass Effect Presidium in 3D on a projector.[/quote]
The presidium in 3D with the new HD texture mod, yeah.....epic. I just recently took the plunge on the W1070 and won't look back, the immersion is incredible.
[url]http://www.moddb.com/mods/mass-effect-1-new-texture-updatesimprovements-mod[/url]
No dicking around with TexMod after install!
Libertine said:What a cunt. I mean that in a totally friendly way btw.
LOL
Libertine said:I really want to see the Mass Effect Presidium in 3D on a projector.
The presidium in 3D with the new HD texture mod, yeah.....epic. I just recently took the plunge on the W1070 and won't look back, the immersion is incredible.
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]A few points to note
-Your card is compatible, but a little underpowered for the latest games in 3D. You're essentially having to render 120FPS to get a smooth 60fps per eye. I'd recommend considering 2-way SLI 970s. 3-way SLI doesn't make much difference in 3D
-That said, your card should run older games okay in 3D
-3D is great, and most people will say it adds a lot to the experience
-With a 3D TV you'll have to play at 720p
-If you get a 3D Vision monitor, you'll be able to play at 1080p
-You'll have a much better experience with a projector. You'll still be limited to 720p, but this somehow looks much better on a projector than a TV, and the cost difference is minimal. I'm projecting onto a normal off-white wall, and the picture quality and immersion is excellent.
[/quote]
The card does not have to render 120fps at all. You're getting Hz confused with frames. For instance I play FSX at 30 FPS in 3D on a 120hz monitor. Enabling 3D has little impact on most games to be honest.
Pirateguybrush said:A few points to note
-Your card is compatible, but a little underpowered for the latest games in 3D. You're essentially having to render 120FPS to get a smooth 60fps per eye. I'd recommend considering 2-way SLI 970s. 3-way SLI doesn't make much difference in 3D
-That said, your card should run older games okay in 3D
-3D is great, and most people will say it adds a lot to the experience
-With a 3D TV you'll have to play at 720p
-If you get a 3D Vision monitor, you'll be able to play at 1080p
-You'll have a much better experience with a projector. You'll still be limited to 720p, but this somehow looks much better on a projector than a TV, and the cost difference is minimal. I'm projecting onto a normal off-white wall, and the picture quality and immersion is excellent.
The card does not have to render 120fps at all. You're getting Hz confused with frames. For instance I play FSX at 30 FPS in 3D on a 120hz monitor. Enabling 3D has little impact on most games to be honest.
Depends upon the game of course. Older stuff you should have no problem with tri-SLI 680. The only drawback with those cards is they'll be 2G, which doesn't work well with stuff like WatchDogs or Mordor, and probably newer stuff as it comes out.
Since you said you are more interested in older games, I'd stick with your current setup. It's still terrific.
For screen- do not blindly dismiss 720p projectors as inadequate based solely on resolution. I use one every day, and also have a 1080p monitor, and the projector blows it out of the water. (And also a DK2 and the projector blows it out of the water too).
The resolution is not visible when running in 3D, you get twice as much data for every frame because of 120Hz. It's all about arc-seconds of visual acuity. The closer the screen, the more pixels you need.
The DLP has zero ghosting. And projector sized screens make the characters life size. I believe this is a big reason I like it so much better than monitors, where it doesn't feel immersive.
There is another huge advantage to 720p- no upgrade of hardware. Lower pixel cost=lower GPU cost. I can run AC4 on my projector with SLI 580 because of the lower resolution.
I try to use every new technology that comes out, and still today the DLP projectors are the best I've seen. (have not seen betc's checkboard TV in real life)
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
sorry there 4GB each dummy
not 2GB
You can figure this out for yourself.
It's spelled they're as in they are.
simple enough to point out a mistake without name calling
Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz, 3x GTX Titan, 16GB Tactical Tracer LED, CPU/GPU Dual-Loop Water-Cooled - Driver 331.82, DX11.0
4G 680's are fairly rare.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/756335/geforce-drivers/power-management-feature-in-nvidia-control-panel-hidden-in-windows-xp/post/4256696/#4256696
I know I'm done here.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
i sit 1 metre from the screen, it takes up a schiteload more viewable area than a tiny 24". its all about immersion. and given the focal depth is way behind the tv, it doesnt really matter how close you sit
65" Samsung ES8000 LED, i7-3820, Asus P9X79, GTX680 SLI, Win8 Checkerboard /Win7 Frame Sequential
Pirateguybrush: Remember that time when we were trying to figure out a custom resolution for the w1070 that would allow to use 1600x900 in 3D? We failed miserably but those were the days.
D-Man: You opened the door to downsampling for a 3D novice a while back. Using that info I was able to create a 2560x1441 resolution that downsamples correctly on a few projectors. You also inspired my future porn star nickname.
DBJ: You crazy coked up looking monster toy from the 80s. I was able to share that projector technique with you, bringing peace to the monster toys and the popples.
bo3b: We pruned the hedges of many small villages. Good times.
See, we're all friends here. Maybe we shouldn't jump on this guy. Maybe he doesn't know how to joke through text. In the end I think you're all dumb@asses for clinging to this 3D thing myself, even though it's awesome and other people don't know what they're missing out on. There's like 10 active members on this forum. We're pretty pathetic.
Gigabyte Gaming 5 Z170X, i7-6700K @ 4.4ghz, Asus GTX 2080 ti Strix OC , 16gb DDR4 Corsair Vengence 2666, LG 60uh8500 and 49ub8500 passive 4K 3D EDID, Dell S2716DG.
Its all about FOV IMO. I highly recommend a checkerboard Samsung, but i've never tried a projector and hear they are awesome. Size of stuff on screen makes a big difference and its very important imo to match the actual size of things to the size they'd have at a given distance.
I really want to see the Mass Effect Presidium in 3D on a projector.
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12795&sid=5fe2e0567336d87275079561ef735725
Win 7 64 - i7 4770k 4.5ghz - Corsair hydro water cooled - MSI Z87-GD65 mobo - MSI GTX 780ti Gaming twin frozr 3GB - 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2133 RAM - 500 GB SSD - Corsair 760 PSU
Win 7 64 - i7 4770k 4.5ghz - Corsair hydro water cooled - MSI Z87-GD65 mobo - MSI GTX 780ti Gaming twin frozr 3GB - 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2133 RAM - 500 GB SSD - Corsair 760 PSU
Oh yeah...definitely interested. Thanks very much for the info, I'll send you a pm.
Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.4Ghz, 3x GTX Titan, 16GB Tactical Tracer LED, CPU/GPU Dual-Loop Water-Cooled - Driver 331.82, DX11.0
So I got the fresnel lens. It is AMAZING!!! First off, it DOES actually work with the Zalman (to my surprise). The 3D effect is great. What it does to your FOV is really something to see. Playing 3D games on the Zalman with the fresnel lens is very much the experience you would imagine you get with an HMD (but rarely do with consumer level models). The way I had it set up, the lens would completely cover my stereoscopic FOV. Not sure exactly what number that works out to, but its somewhere between 60 and 90 degrees FOV. Really, it looks amazing, its almost like you get sucked into the game. People need to try this themselves.
I played some of UT2004, which was really nice. The depth of shooting rockets was really nice (with the stream of smoke) and the level just felt more real. Somehow it increased the sense of 3D, not sure why. But it did look more 3D. Then I played GRID, which really blew me away. I'm telling you, fresnel+3D is an epic win. Its funny because I did experiment with this many years ago, but I guess I just forgot how good it looked. Plus it makes a 22" screen feel like a 26" screen. Its just a win-win situation. The only downside is that it did give me a headache after about 30 minutes. A small price to pay for great immersion.
Win 7 64 - i7 4770k 4.5ghz - Corsair hydro water cooled - MSI Z87-GD65 mobo - MSI GTX 780ti Gaming twin frozr 3GB - 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2133 RAM - 500 GB SSD - Corsair 760 PSU
LOL
The presidium in 3D with the new HD texture mod, yeah.....epic. I just recently took the plunge on the W1070 and won't look back, the immersion is incredible.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/mass-effect-1-new-texture-updatesimprovements-mod
No dicking around with TexMod after install!
The card does not have to render 120fps at all. You're getting Hz confused with frames. For instance I play FSX at 30 FPS in 3D on a 120hz monitor. Enabling 3D has little impact on most games to be honest.
Win 7 64 - i7 4770k 4.5ghz - Corsair hydro water cooled - MSI Z87-GD65 mobo - MSI GTX 780ti Gaming twin frozr 3GB - 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2133 RAM - 500 GB SSD - Corsair 760 PSU