3D TV Play & 24hz. Just a lie or a missing ?
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[quote name='Kashran' date='19 November 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1290185651' post='1148898']
Well M8DNanite you tell me, if i understund, i need a powerfull pc to run games on 3D in my tv ? if somebody can confirm it, it could be great :)
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I dont know any details how powerfull PC you need. It depends what games you play.
My main point was that the 24Hz limitation is set by HDMI 3D standard its not NVidias fault.

GRID racing game 720p/60Hz (60hz per eye) with GTX 260 ran just fine.
[quote name='Kashran' date='19 November 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1290185651' post='1148898']

Well M8DNanite you tell me, if i understund, i need a powerfull pc to run games on 3D in my tv ? if somebody can confirm it, it could be great :)



I dont know any details how powerfull PC you need. It depends what games you play.

My main point was that the 24Hz limitation is set by HDMI 3D standard its not NVidias fault.



GRID racing game 720p/60Hz (60hz per eye) with GTX 260 ran just fine.

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#16
Posted 11/19/2010 07:18 PM   
Hi All

A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.

However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.

Hope this helps.
Hi All



A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.



However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.



Hope this helps.

#17
Posted 11/19/2010 09:03 PM   
Hi All

A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.

However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.

Hope this helps.
Hi All



A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.



However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.



Hope this helps.

#18
Posted 11/19/2010 09:03 PM   
The reason you can't game in 3D over the 1920x1080 24Hz is a limitation of the HDMI 1.4a specs. It simply can't support any higher frames than that. It has nothing at all to do with Nvidia. The only options is to wait until there is a new HDMI version. That or hope that Display Port really takes off as this can support higher frames than HDMI currently does.
The reason you can't game in 3D over the 1920x1080 24Hz is a limitation of the HDMI 1.4a specs. It simply can't support any higher frames than that. It has nothing at all to do with Nvidia. The only options is to wait until there is a new HDMI version. That or hope that Display Port really takes off as this can support higher frames than HDMI currently does.

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#19
Posted 11/19/2010 10:13 PM   
The reason you can't game in 3D over the 1920x1080 24Hz is a limitation of the HDMI 1.4a specs. It simply can't support any higher frames than that. It has nothing at all to do with Nvidia. The only options is to wait until there is a new HDMI version. That or hope that Display Port really takes off as this can support higher frames than HDMI currently does.
The reason you can't game in 3D over the 1920x1080 24Hz is a limitation of the HDMI 1.4a specs. It simply can't support any higher frames than that. It has nothing at all to do with Nvidia. The only options is to wait until there is a new HDMI version. That or hope that Display Port really takes off as this can support higher frames than HDMI currently does.

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#20
Posted 11/19/2010 10:13 PM   
Yeah ^^ an I don't see how that's really a problem for anyone..

Do you all really need 100+fps in your games ? Most work just fine
at 30 unless you have some sort of unability to accept and or work with things.

Nvidia has given us a wide variety of options to suit our needs and tastes.

3dTV play is fricken sweet !!
Yeah ^^ an I don't see how that's really a problem for anyone..



Do you all really need 100+fps in your games ? Most work just fine

at 30 unless you have some sort of unability to accept and or work with things.



Nvidia has given us a wide variety of options to suit our needs and tastes.



3dTV play is fricken sweet !!

#21
Posted 11/19/2010 11:22 PM   
Yeah ^^ an I don't see how that's really a problem for anyone..

Do you all really need 100+fps in your games ? Most work just fine
at 30 unless you have some sort of unability to accept and or work with things.

Nvidia has given us a wide variety of options to suit our needs and tastes.

3dTV play is fricken sweet !!
Yeah ^^ an I don't see how that's really a problem for anyone..



Do you all really need 100+fps in your games ? Most work just fine

at 30 unless you have some sort of unability to accept and or work with things.



Nvidia has given us a wide variety of options to suit our needs and tastes.



3dTV play is fricken sweet !!

#22
Posted 11/19/2010 11:22 PM   
I'd be curious to see how 1080i/60 would be in 3D with games. That's part of the 1.4 3D spec.
I'd be curious to see how 1080i/60 would be in 3D with games. That's part of the 1.4 3D spec.

#23
Posted 11/20/2010 12:07 AM   
I'd be curious to see how 1080i/60 would be in 3D with games. That's part of the 1.4 3D spec.
I'd be curious to see how 1080i/60 would be in 3D with games. That's part of the 1.4 3D spec.

#24
Posted 11/20/2010 12:07 AM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 November 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1290200636' post='1149008']
Hi All

A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.

However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.

Hope this helps.
[/quote]

Hi Andrew, I'm aware of what you're saying, but I have a question for you. Is 3D limited to only HDMI? I'm currently looking at the owner's manual for the Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT25 that I own. I'll quote you a line from it...

The section is PC Input Terminals Connections...

"Computer signals which can be input are those with a horizontal scanning frequency of 15 to 110 kHz and vertical scanning frequency of 48 to 120 Hz. (However, the image will not be displayed properly if the signals exceed 1,200 lines.)

The Maximum resolution: 1,280 X 1024"

So my question is, is it possible to run your software at 1280x1024x120Hz over the DVI port? I understand that the aspect ratio isn't the same as the native, but you can either do something with the grey bars on the TV, or perhaps use the format adjustments in the television itself. I'd like to think this would be a more appealing solution than totally dropping the vertical resolution down to 720p. I have a clocked GTX 480 and would actually like to use it for what it is. If I'm missing something, please let me know. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' />

EDIT: For fun, I moved the computer to the TV, got the DVI to HDMI Adapter and hooked the computer up through HDMI port 2 on the TV. I can indeed run at the native resoltion of 1920 x 1080 at 60Hz. Further persuing the manual also confirms that this mode is available. Tested it further with the little Nvidia application thing with the spinning Nvidia logo and the words nVidia go back and forth down the hallway. 3D worked like a charm at this. Hit the info button on the TV, it was indeed regstering at 1080p. Went into the menu and saw that the "24p Direct in" option was greyed out, meaning it was not a 24p signal. Nvidia control panel also stated I was outputting at 60Hz. I understand that the framerate would get cut in half with the alternating images. But I think gaming at 1920x1080 with 30fps 3D might be quite good. I suggest anyone with the means to test this also.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 November 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1290200636' post='1149008']

Hi All



A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.



However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.



Hope this helps.





Hi Andrew, I'm aware of what you're saying, but I have a question for you. Is 3D limited to only HDMI? I'm currently looking at the owner's manual for the Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT25 that I own. I'll quote you a line from it...



The section is PC Input Terminals Connections...



"Computer signals which can be input are those with a horizontal scanning frequency of 15 to 110 kHz and vertical scanning frequency of 48 to 120 Hz. (However, the image will not be displayed properly if the signals exceed 1,200 lines.)



The Maximum resolution: 1,280 X 1024"



So my question is, is it possible to run your software at 1280x1024x120Hz over the DVI port? I understand that the aspect ratio isn't the same as the native, but you can either do something with the grey bars on the TV, or perhaps use the format adjustments in the television itself. I'd like to think this would be a more appealing solution than totally dropping the vertical resolution down to 720p. I have a clocked GTX 480 and would actually like to use it for what it is. If I'm missing something, please let me know. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' />



EDIT: For fun, I moved the computer to the TV, got the DVI to HDMI Adapter and hooked the computer up through HDMI port 2 on the TV. I can indeed run at the native resoltion of 1920 x 1080 at 60Hz. Further persuing the manual also confirms that this mode is available. Tested it further with the little Nvidia application thing with the spinning Nvidia logo and the words nVidia go back and forth down the hallway. 3D worked like a charm at this. Hit the info button on the TV, it was indeed regstering at 1080p. Went into the menu and saw that the "24p Direct in" option was greyed out, meaning it was not a 24p signal. Nvidia control panel also stated I was outputting at 60Hz. I understand that the framerate would get cut in half with the alternating images. But I think gaming at 1920x1080 with 30fps 3D might be quite good. I suggest anyone with the means to test this also.

#25
Posted 11/20/2010 12:28 AM   
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 November 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1290200636' post='1149008']
Hi All

A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.

However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.

Hope this helps.
[/quote]

Hi Andrew, I'm aware of what you're saying, but I have a question for you. Is 3D limited to only HDMI? I'm currently looking at the owner's manual for the Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT25 that I own. I'll quote you a line from it...

The section is PC Input Terminals Connections...

"Computer signals which can be input are those with a horizontal scanning frequency of 15 to 110 kHz and vertical scanning frequency of 48 to 120 Hz. (However, the image will not be displayed properly if the signals exceed 1,200 lines.)

The Maximum resolution: 1,280 X 1024"

So my question is, is it possible to run your software at 1280x1024x120Hz over the DVI port? I understand that the aspect ratio isn't the same as the native, but you can either do something with the grey bars on the TV, or perhaps use the format adjustments in the television itself. I'd like to think this would be a more appealing solution than totally dropping the vertical resolution down to 720p. I have a clocked GTX 480 and would actually like to use it for what it is. If I'm missing something, please let me know. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' />

EDIT: For fun, I moved the computer to the TV, got the DVI to HDMI Adapter and hooked the computer up through HDMI port 2 on the TV. I can indeed run at the native resoltion of 1920 x 1080 at 60Hz. Further persuing the manual also confirms that this mode is available. Tested it further with the little Nvidia application thing with the spinning Nvidia logo and the words nVidia go back and forth down the hallway. 3D worked like a charm at this. Hit the info button on the TV, it was indeed regstering at 1080p. Went into the menu and saw that the "24p Direct in" option was greyed out, meaning it was not a 24p signal. Nvidia control panel also stated I was outputting at 60Hz. I understand that the framerate would get cut in half with the alternating images. But I think gaming at 1920x1080 with 30fps 3D might be quite good. I suggest anyone with the means to test this also.
[quote name='andrewf@nvidia' date='19 November 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1290200636' post='1149008']

Hi All



A few people have pointed it out but let me be clear, we support 72060/50, and 1080p24 with 3DTV Play. We do not support 1080p60 over HDMI because the TVs dont support it. We aren't supporting it because there are no TVs.



However, 3D Vision displays are capable of 1080p60 over DL DVI.



Hope this helps.





Hi Andrew, I'm aware of what you're saying, but I have a question for you. Is 3D limited to only HDMI? I'm currently looking at the owner's manual for the Panasonic Viera TC-P65VT25 that I own. I'll quote you a line from it...



The section is PC Input Terminals Connections...



"Computer signals which can be input are those with a horizontal scanning frequency of 15 to 110 kHz and vertical scanning frequency of 48 to 120 Hz. (However, the image will not be displayed properly if the signals exceed 1,200 lines.)



The Maximum resolution: 1,280 X 1024"



So my question is, is it possible to run your software at 1280x1024x120Hz over the DVI port? I understand that the aspect ratio isn't the same as the native, but you can either do something with the grey bars on the TV, or perhaps use the format adjustments in the television itself. I'd like to think this would be a more appealing solution than totally dropping the vertical resolution down to 720p. I have a clocked GTX 480 and would actually like to use it for what it is. If I'm missing something, please let me know. /smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smile:' />



EDIT: For fun, I moved the computer to the TV, got the DVI to HDMI Adapter and hooked the computer up through HDMI port 2 on the TV. I can indeed run at the native resoltion of 1920 x 1080 at 60Hz. Further persuing the manual also confirms that this mode is available. Tested it further with the little Nvidia application thing with the spinning Nvidia logo and the words nVidia go back and forth down the hallway. 3D worked like a charm at this. Hit the info button on the TV, it was indeed regstering at 1080p. Went into the menu and saw that the "24p Direct in" option was greyed out, meaning it was not a 24p signal. Nvidia control panel also stated I was outputting at 60Hz. I understand that the framerate would get cut in half with the alternating images. But I think gaming at 1920x1080 with 30fps 3D might be quite good. I suggest anyone with the means to test this also.

#26
Posted 11/20/2010 12:28 AM   
1280x1024 is an 1.4 approved resolution.
1280x1024 is an 1.4 approved resolution.

#27
Posted 11/20/2010 02:10 AM   
1280x1024 is an 1.4 approved resolution.
1280x1024 is an 1.4 approved resolution.

#28
Posted 11/20/2010 02:10 AM   
[quote name='Johnny14' date='19 November 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1290212897' post='1149092']
Hi Andrew, I'm aware of what you're saying, but I have a question for you. Is 3D limited to only HDMI? I'm currently looking at the owner's manual for the [/quote]

Hi Johnny

So you are saying you ran it at 1080p30? Didnt you see a lot of flickering?
[quote name='Johnny14' date='19 November 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1290212897' post='1149092']

Hi Andrew, I'm aware of what you're saying, but I have a question for you. Is 3D limited to only HDMI? I'm currently looking at the owner's manual for the



Hi Johnny



So you are saying you ran it at 1080p30? Didnt you see a lot of flickering?

#29
Posted 11/29/2010 04:29 PM   
Hi Johnny did you used a double dvi cable ? or simple ? I mean the cable for a 3D monitor which use 120hz ?

If we can play with 1080p30 i think it could be better ?!
Hi Johnny did you used a double dvi cable ? or simple ? I mean the cable for a 3D monitor which use 120hz ?



If we can play with 1080p30 i think it could be better ?!

#30
Posted 11/30/2010 11:35 AM   
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