EVGA are blaming the 3DTV software
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I haven't plugged my pc into my 3dtv for a while, but over HDMI I thought you used to get different display modes, like 720p, 1080i? My PC used to see my TV as a television rather than a monitor, so you'd rely on frame packing to avtivate 3d using the glasses that come with the display device. I think I only used to see 'pc' resolutions when using an EDID override in order to force frame sequential at 120hz. *edit* just saw your last post, so maybe what I've said is pretty irrelevant if it's only happening at 60hz. I have had problems with my projector as I use long cable runs. Some devices work perfectly and others have problems with certain cables at higher bandwidths and resolutions. Not all HDMI outputs are equal. Again, might not be relevant but worth mentioning.
I haven't plugged my pc into my 3dtv for a while, but over HDMI I thought you used to get different display modes, like 720p, 1080i?

My PC used to see my TV as a television rather than a monitor, so you'd rely on frame packing to avtivate 3d using the glasses that come with the display device.

I think I only used to see 'pc' resolutions when using an EDID override in order to force frame sequential at 120hz.

*edit* just saw your last post, so maybe what I've said is pretty irrelevant if it's only happening at 60hz.
I have had problems with my projector as I use long cable runs. Some devices work perfectly and others have problems with certain cables at higher bandwidths and resolutions. Not all HDMI outputs are equal. Again, might not be relevant but worth mentioning.

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#16
Posted 12/11/2013 03:06 PM   
I know you've said you've tried other HDMI cables but have you been able to try a DVI to HDMI cable, or adapter? I'm not sure if it'll work in your case but this is what I'm currently using on my 3DTV, it's one of the last 3D Vision supported DLPs. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004S4R5CK/
I know you've said you've tried other HDMI cables but have you been able to try a DVI to HDMI cable, or adapter? I'm not sure if it'll work in your case but this is what I'm currently using on my 3DTV, it's one of the last 3D Vision supported DLPs.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004S4R5CK/
#17
Posted 12/11/2013 07:17 PM   
[quote="TsaebehT"]I know you've said you've tried other HDMI cables but have you been able to try a DVI to HDMI cable, or adapter? I'm not sure if it'll work in your case but this is what I'm currently using on my 3DTV, it's one of the last 3D Vision supported DLPs. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004S4R5CK/[/quote] Yeah, I have a couple of adapters for that, card has 2 DVI and 1 HDMI (and display port) and I've tried in all 3, it's def down to the card and/or 3DTV Play selecting the wrong 720p output when in 60hz, with it leaping back to the HD rather than 3D selection of it. Going on 2 days waiting on a reply from Nvidia and EVGA though, at the point of calling it a day with them, getting tired of going in circles with the terrible support received, sadly I can't even get through to anyone at either so this may not happen to others in the future :(
TsaebehT said:I know you've said you've tried other HDMI cables but have you been able to try a DVI to HDMI cable, or adapter? I'm not sure if it'll work in your case but this is what I'm currently using on my 3DTV, it's one of the last 3D Vision supported DLPs.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004S4R5CK/



Yeah, I have a couple of adapters for that, card has 2 DVI and 1 HDMI (and display port) and I've tried in all 3, it's def down to the card and/or 3DTV Play selecting the wrong 720p output when in 60hz, with it leaping back to the HD rather than 3D selection of it.

Going on 2 days waiting on a reply from Nvidia and EVGA though, at the point of calling it a day with them, getting tired of going in circles with the terrible support received, sadly I can't even get through to anyone at either so this may not happen to others in the future :(

#18
Posted 12/11/2013 09:36 PM   
Seems like you've narrowed it down to the projector. You tested different video cards, different cables, different drivers to rule out that part of the display chain. The only component left is the projector, right? Also, visually, it looks like a sync problem of some form with the signal to the projector being off. Could be in the projector itself. This is the sort of problem you get if the video is one line behind the sync signal. Try connecting via VGA to the projector, at least temporarily. If you still get the problem the projector would appear to be bad.
Seems like you've narrowed it down to the projector. You tested different video cards, different cables, different drivers to rule out that part of the display chain.

The only component left is the projector, right?

Also, visually, it looks like a sync problem of some form with the signal to the projector being off. Could be in the projector itself. This is the sort of problem you get if the video is one line behind the sync signal.

Try connecting via VGA to the projector, at least temporarily. If you still get the problem the projector would appear to be bad.

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#19
Posted 12/12/2013 02:45 AM   
Why would I narrow it to the projector? It works flawlessly with every other device, 2D or 3D, computer or console, the signal that is being sent is at fault, when 1080p 24hz and 720p 59hz 3D work just fine and stay on the selected output choice yet 720p 60hz jumps to another selection!* VGA would be a useless connection too (though I did think of this myself) as the content protection handshake would be missing (and thus useless for films), and still coming via the same port (with dongle) so would be wasted time ultimately. *I have an Intel quad core/260 GTX sat in the same room too, that hooks up just fine with no display error, same leads, same software etc.
Why would I narrow it to the projector? It works flawlessly with every other device, 2D or 3D, computer or console, the signal that is being sent is at fault, when 1080p 24hz and 720p 59hz 3D work just fine and stay on the selected output choice yet 720p 60hz jumps to another selection!*

VGA would be a useless connection too (though I did think of this myself) as the content protection handshake would be missing (and thus useless for films), and still coming via the same port (with dongle) so would be wasted time ultimately.


*I have an Intel quad core/260 GTX sat in the same room too, that hooks up just fine with no display error, same leads, same software etc.

#20
Posted 12/12/2013 12:07 PM   
Oh, also when these are plastered on the device it pretty much means it's ready and set up to take the correct signal [img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a-drWgbz6Ys/Tj-36MMxFtI/AAAAAAAAD2I/vjEf_a9e-0g/DSCF0307.JPG[/img] So it's being sent the wrong one!
Oh, also when these are plastered on the device it pretty much means it's ready and set up to take the correct signal

Image

So it's being sent the wrong one!

#21
Posted 12/12/2013 12:15 PM   
I have the exact same problem as you ZedEx48K. The windows desktop is hard to read. I see that you also have the random pixel line at the bottom of the screen. I have a Gigabyte GTX670 and an Acer 5360BD.
I have the exact same problem as you ZedEx48K. The windows desktop is hard to read. I see that you also have the random pixel line at the bottom of the screen.

I have a Gigabyte GTX670 and an Acer 5360BD.

#22
Posted 12/12/2013 01:38 PM   
[quote="ZedEx48K"]VGA would be a useless connection too (though I did think of this myself) as the content protection handshake would be missing (and thus useless for films), and still coming via the same port (with dongle) so would be wasted time ultimately.[/quote]No, that's not true. VGA is an analog signal, always, and HDMI is digital, always. When you plug in a dongle you have to use the DVI-I port, not -D port, in order to get access to the Analog pins. It's still an interesting experiment.
ZedEx48K said:VGA would be a useless connection too (though I did think of this myself) as the content protection handshake would be missing (and thus useless for films), and still coming via the same port (with dongle) so would be wasted time ultimately.
No, that's not true. VGA is an analog signal, always, and HDMI is digital, always. When you plug in a dongle you have to use the DVI-I port, not -D port, in order to get access to the Analog pins.

It's still an interesting experiment.

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#23
Posted 12/12/2013 01:41 PM   
[quote="Glocksar"]I have the exact same problem as you ZedEx48K. The windows desktop is hard to read. I see that you also have the random pixel line at the bottom of the screen. I have a Gigabyte GTX670 and an Acer 5360BD.[/quote] Only in 720p 60hz? Are 720p 59hz & 1080p 24hz ok?
Glocksar said:I have the exact same problem as you ZedEx48K. The windows desktop is hard to read. I see that you also have the random pixel line at the bottom of the screen.

I have a Gigabyte GTX670 and an Acer 5360BD.


Only in 720p 60hz? Are 720p 59hz & 1080p 24hz ok?

#24
Posted 12/12/2013 04:03 PM   
[quote="bo3b"] No, that's not true. VGA is an analog signal, always, and HDMI is digital, always. When you plug in a dongle you have to use the DVI-I port, not -D port, in order to get access to the Analog pins.[/quote] I know this, but it is futile for me as I require HDMI for Bluray & for page interleaving, analogue would only be good for SBS.
bo3b said: No, that's not true. VGA is an analog signal, always, and HDMI is digital, always. When you plug in a dongle you have to use the DVI-I port, not -D port, in order to get access to the Analog pins.


I know this, but it is futile for me as I require HDMI for Bluray & for page interleaving, analogue would only be good for SBS.

#25
Posted 12/12/2013 04:06 PM   
I'm interested in 3D gaming too... If i'll buy a 3D TV full hd @ 200 hz (i read that is rather 100-120 hz panel for true),can i play games in 3D 1080p @ 60 hz connected thru an HDMI high-speed cable (v 1.4)? I don't want to install 3DTV Play,just do the right settings in NVCP. I have an GTX 680,8 gb ram and I5 4670K. Thanks in advance for your advices!
I'm interested in 3D gaming too... If i'll buy a 3D TV full hd @ 200 hz (i read that is rather 100-120 hz panel for true),can i play games in 3D 1080p @ 60 hz connected thru an HDMI high-speed cable (v 1.4)? I don't want to install 3DTV Play,just do the right settings in NVCP.
I have an GTX 680,8 gb ram and I5 4670K.
Thanks in advance for your advices!

#26
Posted 12/19/2013 07:00 PM   
Nephilim77, try this thread. The same information applies to TVs and projectors. In short, there are no monitors or projectors on the market which support 1080p 60hz 3d. Your options are limited to 1080p/24hz (rubbish for gaming), or 720p/60hz (apparently excellent despite the drop in resolution). Your system would definitely be capable of 3d gaming though. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/659060/3d-vision/any-projectors-do-60hz-1080p-s3d-/
Nephilim77, try this thread. The same information applies to TVs and projectors. In short, there are no monitors or projectors on the market which support 1080p 60hz 3d. Your options are limited to 1080p/24hz (rubbish for gaming), or 720p/60hz (apparently excellent despite the drop in resolution).

Your system would definitely be capable of 3d gaming though.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/659060/3d-vision/any-projectors-do-60hz-1080p-s3d-/

#27
Posted 12/19/2013 07:21 PM   
FWIW here's a little update, it turns out I'm not the only one to suffer this, and some guy from part of Nvidia has told me they now have all the needed data and are looking into it....
FWIW here's a little update, it turns out I'm not the only one to suffer this, and some guy from part of Nvidia has told me they now have all the needed data and are looking into it....

#28
Posted 12/20/2013 10:00 AM   
Good deal, glad you got some attention from the N-crew. Since Glocksar has the same problem, it does seem a lot less likely to be a hardware problem specifically. Thanks for the update.
Good deal, glad you got some attention from the N-crew. Since Glocksar has the same problem, it does seem a lot less likely to be a hardware problem specifically.

Thanks for the update.

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#29
Posted 12/20/2013 11:16 AM   
Good to hear that Nvidia is looking into it. It might be worth noting that at the end of the "3D setup wizard" I always UNCHECK the "set desktop resolution to 3D" and "place short cuts to Nvidia 3D programs on desktop" options. While the latter is a personal preference the former will give you a blurry desktop as it's attempting to render a 3D image with a strictly 2D Windows desktop. (I've never looked close enough to see if there was the same odd VERTICAL ghosting as you showed in your picture, but the resulting image was almost always BLURRY much like what your showing. Kinda stupid to have to don 3D glasses to look at a 2D desktop eh?) Having a 3D desktop resolution setting does allow you to view 3D content via a 3D enabled webbrowser but my Benq 1080P would get so confused switching in/out of 2D/3D display modes that the experiment was rather short lived and I default to having ether a (sic) 1024x768 resolution desktop rather than let 3DPlay or the projector get confused into thinking that my desktop is 3D.
Good to hear that Nvidia is looking into it.

It might be worth noting that at the end of the "3D setup wizard" I always UNCHECK the "set desktop resolution to 3D" and "place short cuts to Nvidia 3D programs on desktop" options. While the latter is a personal preference the former will give you a blurry desktop as it's attempting to render a 3D image with a strictly 2D Windows desktop. (I've never looked close enough to see if there was the same odd VERTICAL ghosting as you showed in your picture, but the resulting image was almost always BLURRY much like what your showing. Kinda stupid to have to don 3D glasses to look at a 2D desktop eh?)

Having a 3D desktop resolution setting does allow you to view 3D content via a 3D enabled webbrowser but my Benq 1080P would get so confused switching in/out of 2D/3D display modes that the experiment was rather short lived and I default to having ether a (sic) 1024x768 resolution desktop rather than let 3DPlay or the projector get confused into thinking that my desktop is 3D.

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#30
Posted 12/21/2013 08:55 PM   
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