Hi,
i have a question about the drivers.
The last ones break the compatibility with the Helix patches or not?
Or they only add some bugs listed in the page 1?
I saw that in the past: http://helixmod.blogspot.fr/2014/07/decline-of-3d-vision.html
I just want to have a clear view of the situation please.
Maybe new ones create problem only for SLI users?
The state of the drivers is pretty bad right now, but in general with some tweaking you can get it to work. It's not directly related to the so-called decline of 3D Vision, the drivers work poorly even in 2D.
There are especially numerous SLI problems that keep getting introduced, and at present SLI is more trouble than it's worth.
Latest drivers don't exactly break the fixes more or less than they did before, that post is more about stuff that happened 6 months ago.
So.... the fixes still work, but will be less trouble to use the further back you go.
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.
The state of the drivers is pretty bad right now, but in general with some tweaking you can get it to work. It's not directly related to the so-called decline of 3D Vision, the drivers work poorly even in 2D.
There are especially numerous SLI problems that keep getting introduced, and at present SLI is more trouble than it's worth.
Latest drivers don't exactly break the fixes more or less than they did before, that post is more about stuff that happened 6 months ago.
So.... the fixes still work, but will be less trouble to use the further back you go.
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
[quote="bo3b"]
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.[/quote]
May I ask:
Is it only about SLI?
How much better are 320.49 compared to 340.52? I use a single card, but if there is a difference (I really am allergic to sub 60fps framerate), then I might change gtx760 for gtx680 just because of this. Unless it's somehow possible to mod those 320.49 drivers so they can work with gtx7xx series? Both are Kepler, after all.
bo3b said:
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.
May I ask:
Is it only about SLI?
How much better are 320.49 compared to 340.52? I use a single card, but if there is a difference (I really am allergic to sub 60fps framerate), then I might change gtx760 for gtx680 just because of this. Unless it's somehow possible to mod those 320.49 drivers so they can work with gtx7xx series? Both are Kepler, after all.
[quote="snake4196"]I think 347.09WHQL is the best.
If you want to play game with 3DVision fix mod,make sure Shader Cache=OFF,then everything looks good![/quote]
Too early to say for sure, but a lot of people have already had problems with 347.09. See Helifax's thread about the latest driver breaking DA:I. 347.09B also broke Mordor.
[quote="RonsonPL"][quote="bo3b"]
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.[/quote]
May I ask:
Is it only about SLI?
How much better are 320.49 compared to 340.52? I use a single card, but if there is a difference (I really am allergic to sub 60fps framerate), then I might change gtx760 for gtx680 just because of this. Unless it's somehow possible to mod those 320.49 drivers so they can work with gtx7xx series? Both are Kepler, after all.[/quote]
320.49 was the launch driver for GTX 760 cards, so that will work there.
It's not only about SLI, but SLI was a LOT better back then. I could run SLI on WatchDogs for example, and actually get good scaling and no stutter. No driver since has been able to do that.
snake4196 said:I think 347.09WHQL is the best.
If you want to play game with 3DVision fix mod,make sure Shader Cache=OFF,then everything looks good!
Too early to say for sure, but a lot of people have already had problems with 347.09. See Helifax's thread about the latest driver breaking DA:I. 347.09B also broke Mordor.
RonsonPL said:
bo3b said:
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.
May I ask:
Is it only about SLI?
How much better are 320.49 compared to 340.52? I use a single card, but if there is a difference (I really am allergic to sub 60fps framerate), then I might change gtx760 for gtx680 just because of this. Unless it's somehow possible to mod those 320.49 drivers so they can work with gtx7xx series? Both are Kepler, after all.
320.49 was the launch driver for GTX 760 cards, so that will work there.
It's not only about SLI, but SLI was a LOT better back then. I could run SLI on WatchDogs for example, and actually get good scaling and no stutter. No driver since has been able to do that.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
[quote="bo3b"]
320.49 was the launch driver for GTX 760 cards, so that will work there.
[/quote]
You're right.
[i]I went to older drivers page on nvidia.com, didn't see this version, googled it, and saw a description about supported cards, but only up to 6xx, no 7xx on the list. Either the page had an error, or it was too late for me at the time ;)
[/i]
Thanx for the info. Although I still would be happy to read some more info about the drivers for non-SLI users, especially what owners of 970/980s miss, when they cannot use the older ones. One day I'll surely upgrade to 970, and would like to be prepared. 10-20% performance drop won't be a big problem, but unavoidable stutter, being unable to sustain 60fps or work with some fixes - that would be serious.
[i]
Edit: I installed 320.49, but it seems it doesn't recognize my 3D Vision monitor. Strange, never had such problem before. I checked "clean install", I installed display driver, 3D vision driver and 3D vision controller driver.
In the menu I had 3D Vision discoverer and Benq 120Hz LCD monitor. Now I have only "normal CRT monitor", "DLP", and "3D Vision Discoverer".
edit2: I tried to change USB port for the emitter, reinstalled monitor driver, set the resolution (desktop) to 1080p 120Hz - still nothing. Anyone succeeded insatlling 320.49 on 7xx series cards?
In the meantime, I'm installing 340.52[/i]
bo3b said:
320.49 was the launch driver for GTX 760 cards, so that will work there.
You're right. I went to older drivers page on nvidia.com, didn't see this version, googled it, and saw a description about supported cards, but only up to 6xx, no 7xx on the list. Either the page had an error, or it was too late for me at the time ;)
Thanx for the info. Although I still would be happy to read some more info about the drivers for non-SLI users, especially what owners of 970/980s miss, when they cannot use the older ones. One day I'll surely upgrade to 970, and would like to be prepared. 10-20% performance drop won't be a big problem, but unavoidable stutter, being unable to sustain 60fps or work with some fixes - that would be serious.
Edit: I installed 320.49, but it seems it doesn't recognize my 3D Vision monitor. Strange, never had such problem before. I checked "clean install", I installed display driver, 3D vision driver and 3D vision controller driver.
In the menu I had 3D Vision discoverer and Benq 120Hz LCD monitor. Now I have only "normal CRT monitor", "DLP", and "3D Vision Discoverer".
edit2: I tried to change USB port for the emitter, reinstalled monitor driver, set the resolution (desktop) to 1080p 120Hz - still nothing. Anyone succeeded insatlling 320.49 on 7xx series cards?
In the meantime, I'm installing 340.52
Yes, I run SLI 760 as you can see in my signature. I run 320.49 periodically, and it always works well for me.
You might try doing the hard core version of driver reinstall. That includes deleting the c:\nvidia directory with unpacked drivers. eqzitara has seen numerous cases of bad installs because of bad unpacks there.
Then, use DDU to clean uninstall the old one. And clean install after all that.
Should be no reason it works for me, and not for you.
Right now I'm specifically avoiding buying 9xx class hardware because the drivers are terrible. I cannot afford to be locked into bad drivers.
Yes, I run SLI 760 as you can see in my signature. I run 320.49 periodically, and it always works well for me.
You might try doing the hard core version of driver reinstall. That includes deleting the c:\nvidia directory with unpacked drivers. eqzitara has seen numerous cases of bad installs because of bad unpacks there.
Then, use DDU to clean uninstall the old one. And clean install after all that.
Should be no reason it works for me, and not for you.
Right now I'm specifically avoiding buying 9xx class hardware because the drivers are terrible. I cannot afford to be locked into bad drivers.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Odd, I came across the following post by a poster named baron over at Ryse: Son of Rome discussion forum on Steam.
Another 4 or 5 posters comfirmed the same results (thought I'd pass it along, I have an old card and never use GeForce Experience)
"i know this may look like NONSENSE but believe me: it works, it simply kills all stuttering that i was having, even when playing on lowest settings i would never get 60 fps. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is leave NVIDIA geforce experience OPENED and running (i leave it maximized) and then open the game and play: perfect 60fps. i know this makes no sense (there are even people saying that leaving a browser like chrome opened and running on the background works too) but i've tried every possible setting on driver side and never worked, the one thing maybe i've tried besides leaving geforce experience running was adding this command line on SYSTEM.CFG: r_fullscreenwindow=1 --> PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU HAD SUCCESS like me! "
Odd, I came across the following post by a poster named baron over at Ryse: Son of Rome discussion forum on Steam.
Another 4 or 5 posters comfirmed the same results (thought I'd pass it along, I have an old card and never use GeForce Experience)
"i know this may look like NONSENSE but believe me: it works, it simply kills all stuttering that i was having, even when playing on lowest settings i would never get 60 fps. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is leave NVIDIA geforce experience OPENED and running (i leave it maximized) and then open the game and play: perfect 60fps. i know this makes no sense (there are even people saying that leaving a browser like chrome opened and running on the background works too) but i've tried every possible setting on driver side and never worked, the one thing maybe i've tried besides leaving geforce experience running was adding this command line on SYSTEM.CFG: r_fullscreenwindow=1 --> PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU HAD SUCCESS like me! "
When people talk about 3Dvision performance problems in certain drivers, do they just mean poor FPS, stutters, etc.? Or do some drivers actually render 3D differently (eg. broken effects, broken shaders, 3dmigoto not working properly etc.)?
When people talk about 3Dvision performance problems in certain drivers, do they just mean poor FPS, stutters, etc.? Or do some drivers actually render 3D differently (eg. broken effects, broken shaders, 3dmigoto not working properly etc.)?
[quote="Volnaiskra"]When people talk about 3Dvision performance problems in certain drivers, do they just mean poor FPS, stutters, etc.? Or do some drivers actually render 3D differently (eg. broken effects, broken shaders, 3dmigoto not working properly etc.)?[/quote]
Usually not broken effects, although that does happen sometimes where the game simply doesn't load in 3D. WatchDogs and Dragon Age suffer from this.
Mostly it's dramatically worse performance in 3D, and driver based. When in 2D on AC Unity for example, performance is OK. When 3D is enabled you get a 3x or 4x hit on performance. From 100 to 25 type of changes. No obvious reasons, or ways around it.
Volnaiskra said:When people talk about 3Dvision performance problems in certain drivers, do they just mean poor FPS, stutters, etc.? Or do some drivers actually render 3D differently (eg. broken effects, broken shaders, 3dmigoto not working properly etc.)?
Usually not broken effects, although that does happen sometimes where the game simply doesn't load in 3D. WatchDogs and Dragon Age suffer from this.
Mostly it's dramatically worse performance in 3D, and driver based. When in 2D on AC Unity for example, performance is OK. When 3D is enabled you get a 3x or 4x hit on performance. From 100 to 25 type of changes. No obvious reasons, or ways around it.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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Vitals: Windows 7 64bit, i5 2500 @ 4.4ghz, SLI GTX670, 8GB, Viewsonic VX2268WM
It is, but depends on the scenario. Some newer games like Mordor require a newer driver, or at least the profiles with the newer driver.
Some people can't use 320.49 because their cards are too new, like 9xx.
I seem to be having pretty good luck with 347.52 at present, but haven't tried know problem children like WatchDogs.
But in general, yep, that driver is notably more stable and compatible than anything after it.
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
-------------------
Vitals: Windows 7 64bit, i5 2500 @ 4.4ghz, SLI GTX670, 8GB, Viewsonic VX2268WM
i have a question about the drivers.
The last ones break the compatibility with the Helix patches or not?
Or they only add some bugs listed in the page 1?
I saw that in the past: http://helixmod.blogspot.fr/2014/07/decline-of-3d-vision.html
I just want to have a clear view of the situation please.
Maybe new ones create problem only for SLI users?
There are especially numerous SLI problems that keep getting introduced, and at present SLI is more trouble than it's worth.
Latest drivers don't exactly break the fixes more or less than they did before, that post is more about stuff that happened 6 months ago.
So.... the fixes still work, but will be less trouble to use the further back you go.
Driver 320.49: best by far if you can go this far back.
Driver 340.52: next best.
Driver 344.65: use this only if you have 970/980 or need it for new game.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
May I ask:
Is it only about SLI?
How much better are 320.49 compared to 340.52? I use a single card, but if there is a difference (I really am allergic to sub 60fps framerate), then I might change gtx760 for gtx680 just because of this. Unless it's somehow possible to mod those 320.49 drivers so they can work with gtx7xx series? Both are Kepler, after all.
If you want to play game with 3DVision fix mod,make sure Shader Cache=OFF,then everything looks good!
Too early to say for sure, but a lot of people have already had problems with 347.09. See Helifax's thread about the latest driver breaking DA:I. 347.09B also broke Mordor.
320.49 was the launch driver for GTX 760 cards, so that will work there.
It's not only about SLI, but SLI was a LOT better back then. I could run SLI on WatchDogs for example, and actually get good scaling and no stutter. No driver since has been able to do that.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
You're right.
I went to older drivers page on nvidia.com, didn't see this version, googled it, and saw a description about supported cards, but only up to 6xx, no 7xx on the list. Either the page had an error, or it was too late for me at the time ;)
Thanx for the info. Although I still would be happy to read some more info about the drivers for non-SLI users, especially what owners of 970/980s miss, when they cannot use the older ones. One day I'll surely upgrade to 970, and would like to be prepared. 10-20% performance drop won't be a big problem, but unavoidable stutter, being unable to sustain 60fps or work with some fixes - that would be serious.
Edit: I installed 320.49, but it seems it doesn't recognize my 3D Vision monitor. Strange, never had such problem before. I checked "clean install", I installed display driver, 3D vision driver and 3D vision controller driver.
In the menu I had 3D Vision discoverer and Benq 120Hz LCD monitor. Now I have only "normal CRT monitor", "DLP", and "3D Vision Discoverer".
edit2: I tried to change USB port for the emitter, reinstalled monitor driver, set the resolution (desktop) to 1080p 120Hz - still nothing. Anyone succeeded insatlling 320.49 on 7xx series cards?
In the meantime, I'm installing 340.52
You might try doing the hard core version of driver reinstall. That includes deleting the c:\nvidia directory with unpacked drivers. eqzitara has seen numerous cases of bad installs because of bad unpacks there.
Then, use DDU to clean uninstall the old one. And clean install after all that.
Should be no reason it works for me, and not for you.
Right now I'm specifically avoiding buying 9xx class hardware because the drivers are terrible. I cannot afford to be locked into bad drivers.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Another 4 or 5 posters comfirmed the same results (thought I'd pass it along, I have an old card and never use GeForce Experience)
"i know this may look like NONSENSE but believe me: it works, it simply kills all stuttering that i was having, even when playing on lowest settings i would never get 60 fps. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is leave NVIDIA geforce experience OPENED and running (i leave it maximized) and then open the game and play: perfect 60fps. i know this makes no sense (there are even people saying that leaving a browser like chrome opened and running on the background works too) but i've tried every possible setting on driver side and never worked, the one thing maybe i've tried besides leaving geforce experience running was adding this command line on SYSTEM.CFG: r_fullscreenwindow=1 --> PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU HAD SUCCESS like me! "
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Usually not broken effects, although that does happen sometimes where the game simply doesn't load in 3D. WatchDogs and Dragon Age suffer from this.
Mostly it's dramatically worse performance in 3D, and driver based. When in 2D on AC Unity for example, performance is OK. When 3D is enabled you get a 3x or 4x hit on performance. From 100 to 25 type of changes. No obvious reasons, or ways around it.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Thanks
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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Vitals: Windows 7 64bit, i5 2500 @ 4.4ghz, SLI GTX670, 8GB, Viewsonic VX2268WM
Handy Driver Discussion
Helix Mod - community fixes
Bo3b's Shaderhacker School - How to fix 3D in games
3dsolutionsgaming.com - videos, reviews and 3D fixes
Some people can't use 320.49 because their cards are too new, like 9xx.
I seem to be having pretty good luck with 347.52 at present, but haven't tried know problem children like WatchDogs.
But in general, yep, that driver is notably more stable and compatible than anything after it.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
-------------------
Vitals: Windows 7 64bit, i5 2500 @ 4.4ghz, SLI GTX670, 8GB, Viewsonic VX2268WM
Handy Driver Discussion
Helix Mod - community fixes
Bo3b's Shaderhacker School - How to fix 3D in games
3dsolutionsgaming.com - videos, reviews and 3D fixes