OK this should be the final harware question Have gotten into big arguments over this one
I have for 4 gigs of RAM DDR2. Should I bump up to 8 gigs since I am using 3D vision? Will I see a frame rate increase? I only have a quad core 2.4 with a GTX 470 hopefully on the way.
I have for 4 gigs of RAM DDR2. Should I bump up to 8 gigs since I am using 3D vision? Will I see a frame rate increase? I only have a quad core 2.4 with a GTX 470 hopefully on the way.
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1030964' date='Mar 31 2010, 03:50 PM']I have for 4 gigs of RAM DDR2. Should I bump up to 8 gigs since I am using 3D vision? Will I see a frame rate increase? I only have a quad core 2.4 with a GTX 470 hopefully on the way.
Please advise and thanks in advance!![/quote]
Doubtful. If you can tighten up your RAM timinings & overclock the chips, maybe, but it would be a marginal improvement at best. It's unlikely any single game is using all the memory you have at the moment, adding more will simply increase the burden on your memory controller. It could be useful if you are one for lot's of multi-tasking though.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1030964' date='Mar 31 2010, 03:50 PM']I have for 4 gigs of RAM DDR2. Should I bump up to 8 gigs since I am using 3D vision? Will I see a frame rate increase? I only have a quad core 2.4 with a GTX 470 hopefully on the way.
Please advise and thanks in advance!!
Doubtful. If you can tighten up your RAM timinings & overclock the chips, maybe, but it would be a marginal improvement at best. It's unlikely any single game is using all the memory you have at the moment, adding more will simply increase the burden on your memory controller. It could be useful if you are one for lot's of multi-tasking though.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
[quote name='EmmSqd' post='1030973' date='Mar 31 2010, 12:17 AM']Doubtful. If you can tighten up your RAM timinings & overclock the chips, maybe, but it would be a marginal improvement at best. It's unlikely any single game is using all the memory you have at the moment, adding more will simply increase the burden on your memory controller. It could be useful if you are one for lot's of multi-tasking though.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
If you want more FPS, you'll need a faster CPU.[/quote]
Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?
[quote name='EmmSqd' post='1030973' date='Mar 31 2010, 12:17 AM']Doubtful. If you can tighten up your RAM timinings & overclock the chips, maybe, but it would be a marginal improvement at best. It's unlikely any single game is using all the memory you have at the moment, adding more will simply increase the burden on your memory controller. It could be useful if you are one for lot's of multi-tasking though.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
If you want more FPS, you'll need a faster CPU.
Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1030975' date='Mar 31 2010, 04:21 PM']Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?[/quote]
'By how much' is a bit subjective. Depends on a lot of factors like what resloution you game at, how much AA you want, how high you like to crank the graphics settings in games, etc.
To give you an idea, most of the testers posting reviews have been running systems with core i7s in the 3.6 - 4 Ghz range.
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1030975' date='Mar 31 2010, 04:21 PM']Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?
'By how much' is a bit subjective. Depends on a lot of factors like what resloution you game at, how much AA you want, how high you like to crank the graphics settings in games, etc.
To give you an idea, most of the testers posting reviews have been running systems with core i7s in the 3.6 - 4 Ghz range.
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1030975' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:21 AM']Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?[/quote]
as said above it depends... (also on the specific game) if it affects you regarding S3D is another story alltogether.
I asume the CPU is the one you use right now? Also, which GPU are you currently using?
If you realize a drop in the 50% region when enabling stereo on your current setup, you're GPU limited, if it's considerably less you're CPU limited allready. However, I doubt so, a Q6600 should take you all the way through current games - beside that it shouldn't be too hard to squeeze 3GHz out of it. The 470 will defintately give you a good boost on stereo compared to anything out now - unless you have a 295, then DX11 support will be the most significant gain.
on topic: 8Gig of RAM is a waste even on a 64Bit OS IMHO, especially if you have to invest in DDR2.
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1030975' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:21 AM']Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?
as said above it depends... (also on the specific game) if it affects you regarding S3D is another story alltogether.
I asume the CPU is the one you use right now? Also, which GPU are you currently using?
If you realize a drop in the 50% region when enabling stereo on your current setup, you're GPU limited, if it's considerably less you're CPU limited allready. However, I doubt so, a Q6600 should take you all the way through current games - beside that it shouldn't be too hard to squeeze 3GHz out of it. The 470 will defintately give you a good boost on stereo compared to anything out now - unless you have a 295, then DX11 support will be the most significant gain.
on topic: 8Gig of RAM is a waste even on a 64Bit OS IMHO, especially if you have to invest in DDR2.
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1031224' date='Mar 31 2010, 03:55 PM']Thanks all. Should I be scared to overclock if I have never done it before?[/quote]
Depends really, Deffintly read up on it before you start tinkerin.
ussualy you can get a few Mhz out of most parts without having to increase the voltages, so u may.. for starters consider a mild overclock. Im currently experimenting my self as i find my Q9450 @ 2.66Ghz laggin behind a bit.
The main issue with overclockin tho is stabilty so you genrealy spend a lot of time running stress tests for long periods of time. Then also the more obvious and scary part of the overclockin procedure.. depending on how far you take it of course , is the damge to your parts. Increasing the voltages will almost deffintly shorten the life span of that component. Then there is tempatures to think of.....
Basicly.... Google it /kiss.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':kiss:' />
[quote name='whodamanxbox' post='1031224' date='Mar 31 2010, 03:55 PM']Thanks all. Should I be scared to overclock if I have never done it before?
Depends really, Deffintly read up on it before you start tinkerin.
ussualy you can get a few Mhz out of most parts without having to increase the voltages, so u may.. for starters consider a mild overclock. Im currently experimenting my self as i find my Q9450 @ 2.66Ghz laggin behind a bit.
The main issue with overclockin tho is stabilty so you genrealy spend a lot of time running stress tests for long periods of time. Then also the more obvious and scary part of the overclockin procedure.. depending on how far you take it of course , is the damge to your parts. Increasing the voltages will almost deffintly shorten the life span of that component. Then there is tempatures to think of.....
Basicly.... Google it /kiss.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':kiss:' />
[quote name='quadrophoeniX' post='1031126' date='Mar 31 2010, 07:59 AM']...on topic: 8Gig of RAM is a waste even on a 64Bit OS IMHO, especially if you have to invest in DDR2.[/quote]
Anything above 6 GB and you can gain something definite through disabling the vitrual memory. Not the [i]Virtual Memory Manager[/i], which handles most of the scheduling and task-swap jobs, but the paging file itself.
If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...
[quote name='quadrophoeniX' post='1031126' date='Mar 31 2010, 07:59 AM']...on topic: 8Gig of RAM is a waste even on a 64Bit OS IMHO, especially if you have to invest in DDR2.
Anything above 6 GB and you can gain something definite through disabling the vitrual memory. Not the Virtual Memory Manager, which handles most of the scheduling and task-swap jobs, but the paging file itself.
If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...
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just to throw my 2cents in here, i dont have what u do as far as compontents go but i do oc everytime i play any games. Its mild-from 2.2 to 2.6 on stock air (check my profilepage for parts list) but it has to be done to even get somewhat playable just in 2d ie. bfbc2. I dont stress test and i dont play with voltages-just a slider bar move till it say 2.6 (nv performance tools-sucks but works). I know my maxes cause you will get a quick intro to the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH.................sounds scarryer than it is, you will have to restart ur pc. I was scared crapless the first few times but now its as easy as breathing.
I can play 30-60 fps in 3d with my setup now playing metro 2033 with normal and no aa but full res for my screen. Thats not too bad for what i have and i can only get that by ocing.
just to throw my 2cents in here, i dont have what u do as far as compontents go but i do oc everytime i play any games. Its mild-from 2.2 to 2.6 on stock air (check my profilepage for parts list) but it has to be done to even get somewhat playable just in 2d ie. bfbc2. I dont stress test and i dont play with voltages-just a slider bar move till it say 2.6 (nv performance tools-sucks but works). I know my maxes cause you will get a quick intro to the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH.................sounds scarryer than it is, you will have to restart ur pc. I was scared crapless the first few times but now its as easy as breathing.
I can play 30-60 fps in 3d with my setup now playing metro 2033 with normal and no aa but full res for my screen. Thats not too bad for what i have and i can only get that by ocing.
i've written this question to another topic also but i can't find it now :unsure: /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' /> so here i'm asking again .
i'm working for a multi-national technology company and they want to do a game tournament for a prewiev of their new 3D HD tvs,monitors and projectors.I am the only one works in this project and now i have to set up a custom pc for this project now what i ask is that what kind of hardware would you recommend for? most importantly about gpu. i thought about GTX295 but i have also nearly 1200$ cost permisson per pc. and what about other parts like cpu motherboard and ram etc. while they say we think like 1200$/pc but they also want the best quality of a 3d vision for the customer.
i don't know if it's this topic to ask all that and if there is a topic about it please let me know
i've written this question to another topic also but i can't find it now :unsure: /confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':confused:' /> so here i'm asking again .
i'm working for a multi-national technology company and they want to do a game tournament for a prewiev of their new 3D HD tvs,monitors and projectors.I am the only one works in this project and now i have to set up a custom pc for this project now what i ask is that what kind of hardware would you recommend for? most importantly about gpu. i thought about GTX295 but i have also nearly 1200$ cost permisson per pc. and what about other parts like cpu motherboard and ram etc. while they say we think like 1200$/pc but they also want the best quality of a 3d vision for the customer.
i don't know if it's this topic to ask all that and if there is a topic about it please let me know
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1031275' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:09 PM']Anything above 6 GB and you can gain something definite through disabling the vitrual memory.[/quote]
I have yet to see a single game that actually runs faster or even loads noticeably quicker on my W7 64Bit OS compared to the 32Bit installation - different when running pro audio applications though, but we were talking gaming in S3D
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1031275' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:09 PM']If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...[/quote]
second that...better cooler is mandatory. But considering his lacking experience in OC I thought it save to say "3GHz" since I found it a no-brainer lifting the FSB by one step to 333MHz without fidlling with Vcore or memory timings at all on old and new revisions of the Q6600.
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1031275' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:09 PM']Anything above 6 GB and you can gain something definite through disabling the vitrual memory.
I have yet to see a single game that actually runs faster or even loads noticeably quicker on my W7 64Bit OS compared to the 32Bit installation - different when running pro audio applications though, but we were talking gaming in S3D
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1031275' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:09 PM']If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...
second that...better cooler is mandatory. But considering his lacking experience in OC I thought it save to say "3GHz" since I found it a no-brainer lifting the FSB by one step to 333MHz without fidlling with Vcore or memory timings at all on old and new revisions of the Q6600.
Please advise and thanks in advance!!
Please advise and thanks in advance!!
:wacko:
:wacko:
Please advise and thanks in advance!![/quote]
Doubtful. If you can tighten up your RAM timinings & overclock the chips, maybe, but it would be a marginal improvement at best. It's unlikely any single game is using all the memory you have at the moment, adding more will simply increase the burden on your memory controller. It could be useful if you are one for lot's of multi-tasking though.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
If you want more FPS, you'll need a faster CPU.
Please advise and thanks in advance!!
Doubtful. If you can tighten up your RAM timinings & overclock the chips, maybe, but it would be a marginal improvement at best. It's unlikely any single game is using all the memory you have at the moment, adding more will simply increase the burden on your memory controller. It could be useful if you are one for lot's of multi-tasking though.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
If you want more FPS, you'll need a faster CPU.
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
If you want more FPS, you'll need a faster CPU.[/quote]
Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?
Oh & you'll need a 64bit OS to use anything above 4Gb & I predict 2.4Ghz will bottleneck your new video card.
If you want more FPS, you'll need a faster CPU.
Do you think 2.4ghz quad core will bottleneck the new GTX 470? By how much do you think?
'By how much' is a bit subjective. Depends on a lot of factors like what resloution you game at, how much AA you want, how high you like to crank the graphics settings in games, etc.
To give you an idea, most of the testers posting reviews have been running systems with core i7s in the 3.6 - 4 Ghz range.
'By how much' is a bit subjective. Depends on a lot of factors like what resloution you game at, how much AA you want, how high you like to crank the graphics settings in games, etc.
To give you an idea, most of the testers posting reviews have been running systems with core i7s in the 3.6 - 4 Ghz range.
as said above it depends... (also on the specific game) if it affects you regarding S3D is another story alltogether.
I asume the CPU is the one you use right now? Also, which GPU are you currently using?
If you realize a drop in the 50% region when enabling stereo on your current setup, you're GPU limited, if it's considerably less you're CPU limited allready. However, I doubt so, a Q6600 should take you all the way through current games - beside that it shouldn't be too hard to squeeze 3GHz out of it. The 470 will defintately give you a good boost on stereo compared to anything out now - unless you have a 295, then DX11 support will be the most significant gain.
on topic: 8Gig of RAM is a waste even on a 64Bit OS IMHO, especially if you have to invest in DDR2.
as said above it depends... (also on the specific game) if it affects you regarding S3D is another story alltogether.
I asume the CPU is the one you use right now? Also, which GPU are you currently using?
If you realize a drop in the 50% region when enabling stereo on your current setup, you're GPU limited, if it's considerably less you're CPU limited allready. However, I doubt so, a Q6600 should take you all the way through current games - beside that it shouldn't be too hard to squeeze 3GHz out of it. The 470 will defintately give you a good boost on stereo compared to anything out now - unless you have a 295, then DX11 support will be the most significant gain.
on topic: 8Gig of RAM is a waste even on a 64Bit OS IMHO, especially if you have to invest in DDR2.
Depends really, Deffintly read up on it before you start tinkerin.
ussualy you can get a few Mhz out of most parts without having to increase the voltages, so u may.. for starters consider a mild overclock. Im currently experimenting my self as i find my Q9450 @ 2.66Ghz laggin behind a bit.
The main issue with overclockin tho is stabilty so you genrealy spend a lot of time running stress tests for long periods of time. Then also the more obvious and scary part of the overclockin procedure.. depending on how far you take it of course , is the damge to your parts. Increasing the voltages will almost deffintly shorten the life span of that component. Then there is tempatures to think of.....
Basicly.... Google it
Depends really, Deffintly read up on it before you start tinkerin.
ussualy you can get a few Mhz out of most parts without having to increase the voltages, so u may.. for starters consider a mild overclock. Im currently experimenting my self as i find my Q9450 @ 2.66Ghz laggin behind a bit.
The main issue with overclockin tho is stabilty so you genrealy spend a lot of time running stress tests for long periods of time. Then also the more obvious and scary part of the overclockin procedure.. depending on how far you take it of course , is the damge to your parts. Increasing the voltages will almost deffintly shorten the life span of that component. Then there is tempatures to think of.....
Basicly.... Google it
Anything above 6 GB and you can gain something definite through disabling the vitrual memory. Not the [i]Virtual Memory Manager[/i], which handles most of the scheduling and task-swap jobs, but the paging file itself.
If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...
Anything above 6 GB and you can gain something definite through disabling the vitrual memory. Not the Virtual Memory Manager, which handles most of the scheduling and task-swap jobs, but the paging file itself.
If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...
"Gaming": Intel Xeon E5-1650 v2, Turbo 44x (5-6), 45x (3-4), 46x (1-2) | ASUS Rampage IV Extreme | SwifTech Apogee Drive II Pump and Block | 120 mm + 240 mm Push/Pull | 32 GB G.Skill PC3-12800 @ 1866 MHz | NVIDIA GTX 1080 FE | NVIDIA GTX 970 RE | Samsung U28E510 UHD | 2x PNY 480 GB SSDs in Intel SATA3 RAID0 (OS) | Plextor 1TB PX-1TM9PeY PCIe NVMe (Disk Games) | 4x PNY 240 GB SSDs in Intel SATA2 RAID0 (On-Line Games) | eVGA Supernova G+ 1000 W PSU | Cooler Master HAF-XB | Windows 10 Pro x64 1809
Stock is Extreme now
I can play 30-60 fps in 3d with my setup now playing metro 2033 with normal and no aa but full res for my screen. Thats not too bad for what i have and i can only get that by ocing.
I can play 30-60 fps in 3d with my setup now playing metro 2033 with normal and no aa but full res for my screen. Thats not too bad for what i have and i can only get that by ocing.
Watercool any gpu cheap, AKA- "The Mod"
i've written this question to another topic also but i can't find it now :unsure:
i'm working for a multi-national technology company and they want to do a game tournament for a prewiev of their new 3D HD tvs,monitors and projectors.I am the only one works in this project and now i have to set up a custom pc for this project now what i ask is that what kind of hardware would you recommend for? most importantly about gpu. i thought about GTX295 but i have also nearly 1200$ cost permisson per pc. and what about other parts like cpu motherboard and ram etc. while they say we think like 1200$/pc but they also want the best quality of a 3d vision for the customer.
i don't know if it's this topic to ask all that and if there is a topic about it please let me know
i'd be appreciate if you fully answer.
thanks
i've written this question to another topic also but i can't find it now :unsure:
i'm working for a multi-national technology company and they want to do a game tournament for a prewiev of their new 3D HD tvs,monitors and projectors.I am the only one works in this project and now i have to set up a custom pc for this project now what i ask is that what kind of hardware would you recommend for? most importantly about gpu. i thought about GTX295 but i have also nearly 1200$ cost permisson per pc. and what about other parts like cpu motherboard and ram etc. while they say we think like 1200$/pc but they also want the best quality of a 3d vision for the customer.
i don't know if it's this topic to ask all that and if there is a topic about it please let me know
i'd be appreciate if you fully answer.
thanks
I have yet to see a single game that actually runs faster or even loads noticeably quicker on my W7 64Bit OS compared to the 32Bit installation - different when running pro audio applications though, but we were talking gaming in S3D
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1031275' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:09 PM']If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...[/quote]
second that...better cooler is mandatory. But considering his lacking experience in OC I thought it save to say "3GHz" since I found it a no-brainer lifting the FSB by one step to 333MHz without fidlling with Vcore or memory timings at all on old and new revisions of the Q6600.
I have yet to see a single game that actually runs faster or even loads noticeably quicker on my W7 64Bit OS compared to the 32Bit installation - different when running pro audio applications though, but we were talking gaming in S3D
[quote name='jaafaman' post='1031275' date='Mar 31 2010, 06:09 PM']If that "2.4 GHz Quad Core" is a Q6600, then your "sweet spot" in terms of both DDR and return-on-investment lies around 3.2 - 3.4 GHz. The 3.2 spot can almost always be hit, but long before you start you might want to consider the advice given on heat and wera-and-tear, 'cause the stock cooler won't cut it...
second that...better cooler is mandatory. But considering his lacking experience in OC I thought it save to say "3GHz" since I found it a no-brainer lifting the FSB by one step to 333MHz without fidlling with Vcore or memory timings at all on old and new revisions of the Q6600.