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Here is a link for the creator's updated https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 This will let install creator's update (build 15063) create a ISO or bootable thumb drive.
Here is a link for the creator's updated


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10


This will let install creator's update (build 15063) create a ISO or bootable thumb drive.

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Posted 04/14/2017 04:47 PM   
[quote="zig11727"]Here is a link for the creator's updated https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 This will let install creator's update (build 15063) create a ISO or bootable thumb drive.[/quote]Thanks Zig, i'll be putting that on a thumb drive when I get home.
zig11727 said:Here is a link for the creator's updated


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10


This will let install creator's update (build 15063) create a ISO or bootable thumb drive.
Thanks Zig, i'll be putting that on a thumb drive when I get home.

Posted 04/14/2017 05:37 PM   
Alright Bob, so I did a full clean install from my thumb drive and it did indeed install the creative update but guess what... The driver it installed was 378.78 from earlier in March. It didn't install the newest NVidia driver that I and others have been having issues with.
Alright Bob, so I did a full clean install from my thumb drive and it did indeed install the creative update but guess what... The driver it installed was 378.78 from earlier in March. It didn't install the newest NVidia driver that I and others have been having issues with.

Posted 04/15/2017 02:23 AM   
[quote="tygeezy"]Alright Bo3b, so I did a full clean install from my thumb drive and it did indeed install the creative update but guess what... The driver it installed was 378.78 from earlier in March. It didn't install the newest NVidia driver that I and others have been having issues with.[/quote] Hey, very interesting. That explains a lot, and does indeed suggest the latest NVidia drivers have broken something. Unless you need to change it, best bet will be to stay with the 378.78, since that's what Microsoft tested with. Driver 381.65 will be from a different code branch, and is probably where the problems lie. Try to stick with that setup for a bit and see if you notice any glitches. If you do, try to change only one thing at a time to narrow it down.
tygeezy said:Alright Bo3b, so I did a full clean install from my thumb drive and it did indeed install the creative update but guess what... The driver it installed was 378.78 from earlier in March. It didn't install the newest NVidia driver that I and others have been having issues with.

Hey, very interesting. That explains a lot, and does indeed suggest the latest NVidia drivers have broken something.

Unless you need to change it, best bet will be to stay with the 378.78, since that's what Microsoft tested with.

Driver 381.65 will be from a different code branch, and is probably where the problems lie.

Try to stick with that setup for a bit and see if you notice any glitches. If you do, try to change only one thing at a time to narrow it down.

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Posted 04/15/2017 11:59 PM   
[quote="bo3b"][quote="tygeezy"]Alright Bo3b, so I did a full clean install from my thumb drive and it did indeed install the creative update but guess what... The driver it installed was 378.78 from earlier in March. It didn't install the newest NVidia driver that I and others have been having issues with.[/quote] Hey, very interesting. That explains a lot, and does indeed suggest the latest NVidia drivers have broken something. Unless you need to change it, best bet will be to stay with the 378.78, since that's what Microsoft tested with. Driver 381.65 will be from a different code branch, and is probably where the problems lie. Try to stick with that setup for a bit and see if you notice any glitches. If you do, try to change only one thing at a time to narrow it down.[/quote]The only time i've experience this corruption followed by a black screen is wit hthat driver. I've been running this older driver all weekend without a single boot issue. Also, it appears that Nvidia has released a hot fix driver. My guess is they know about this problem and perhaps this is one of the fixes. https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/65fe41/geforce_hotfix_driver_version_38178/ How often does Microsoft update the nvidia drivers they provide on updates? I wonder if they do more testing than Nvidia does...
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tygeezy said:Alright Bo3b, so I did a full clean install from my thumb drive and it did indeed install the creative update but guess what... The driver it installed was 378.78 from earlier in March. It didn't install the newest NVidia driver that I and others have been having issues with.

Hey, very interesting. That explains a lot, and does indeed suggest the latest NVidia drivers have broken something.

Unless you need to change it, best bet will be to stay with the 378.78, since that's what Microsoft tested with.

Driver 381.65 will be from a different code branch, and is probably where the problems lie.

Try to stick with that setup for a bit and see if you notice any glitches. If you do, try to change only one thing at a time to narrow it down.
The only time i've experience this corruption followed by a black screen is wit hthat driver. I've been running this older driver all weekend without a single boot issue.

Also, it appears that Nvidia has released a hot fix driver. My guess is they know about this problem and perhaps this is one of the fixes.


https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/65fe41/geforce_hotfix_driver_version_38178/


How often does Microsoft update the nvidia drivers they provide on updates? I wonder if they do more testing than Nvidia does...

Posted 04/17/2017 08:18 PM   
AFAIK, WHQL means they are quality/compatibility tested by Microsoft. Indeed, it would make sense if MS tests them more thoroughly if they are going to be integral to an update.
AFAIK, WHQL means they are quality/compatibility tested by Microsoft.

Indeed, it would make sense if MS tests them more thoroughly if they are going to be integral to an update.

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Posted 04/17/2017 10:53 PM   
Not the topic for my question but people had asked for some hardware suggestions. So my question is: Is any of you using a MSI AERO GTX 1080TI OC or heard anything negative about it? I purchased the GPU and waiting it to arrive, but if there are any issues with the card, I will return it. I did some research but there's not much info. It was cheaper than all the FE versions (including MSI's) and I needed a GPU with a blower fan for my case, also 3 year warranty is a plus for me.
Not the topic for my question but people had asked for some hardware suggestions. So my question is:

Is any of you using a MSI AERO GTX 1080TI OC or heard anything negative about it? I purchased the GPU and waiting it to arrive, but if there are any issues with the card, I will return it.

I did some research but there's not much info. It was cheaper than all the FE versions (including MSI's) and I needed a GPU with a blower fan for my case, also 3 year warranty is a plus for me.

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Posted 06/02/2017 11:23 PM   
Tested the card with some demanding games and everything is good so far, if there's anyone thinking about buying the same GPU, here is some info: It has Nvidia's default Fan profile, MSI didn't change it, so it reaches to 80 degrees easily. I was expecting this, created a custom fan profile (just a little bit aggressive) with MSI Afterburner. There's coil whine, but much lower than my Galax GTX 980, so not a problem.
Tested the card with some demanding games and everything is good so far, if there's anyone thinking about buying the same GPU, here is some info:

It has Nvidia's default Fan profile, MSI didn't change it, so it reaches to 80 degrees easily. I was expecting this, created a custom fan profile (just a little bit aggressive) with MSI Afterburner.

There's coil whine, but much lower than my Galax GTX 980, so not a problem.

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Posted 06/05/2017 07:07 PM   
So finally Ryzen is bad choice for 3D gaming? I'm looking upgrade for my i5 2500K.
So finally Ryzen is bad choice for 3D gaming? I'm looking upgrade for my i5 2500K.

Posted 06/12/2017 07:19 AM   
@lacuna Blower type cards are actually better for multi GPU setups unless the case is extremely well ventilated. The problem with open air cards is that they simply dump all the heat into the case so even with better cooling, the ambient temperature means that they can't out perform blower cards. Blowers are louder, and less effective at cooling, but manage to dump most of the heat out of the case. Also, the overclockability of open air vs blower isn't too significant this generation, because it has more to do with the chip quality than cooling. Everyone called the FE as the "flounders edition", and expected open air cards to perform much better. Unfortunately, they performed very similarly, even with power mods and water cooling. So, good on you for getting that card. It will perform almost as good as even the highest end water cooled solution at double the price! @BlacK_MagiC Unfortunately, yes. Even with the upcoming >4 core CPU's from Intel, because higher core count = lower clock. For 3D vision, especially due to the CPU driver bug, you need high core clock (i.e. lower core count). Right now and in the foreseeable future, the best option for that is 7700K, unless: 1. 3D Vision driver bug gets fixed. 2. Games start maxing more than ~3-4 cores they have been doing in recent times. Additionally, for RyZen, they need to get their gaming performance issues fixed with the new ThreadRipper platform. In my personal opinion, you are still going to get the best overall 3D Vision performance with an OC 7700K over the next 3 years compared to anything else existing or due to come out by then.
@lacuna

Blower type cards are actually better for multi GPU setups unless the case is extremely well ventilated. The problem with open air cards is that they simply dump all the heat into the case so even with better cooling, the ambient temperature means that they can't out perform blower cards.

Blowers are louder, and less effective at cooling, but manage to dump most of the heat out of the case.

Also, the overclockability of open air vs blower isn't too significant this generation, because it has more to do with the chip quality than cooling. Everyone called the FE as the "flounders edition", and expected open air cards to perform much better. Unfortunately, they performed very similarly, even with power mods and water cooling.

So, good on you for getting that card. It will perform almost as good as even the highest end water cooled solution at double the price!

@BlacK_MagiC

Unfortunately, yes. Even with the upcoming >4 core CPU's from Intel, because higher core count = lower clock.

For 3D vision, especially due to the CPU driver bug, you need high core clock (i.e. lower core count).

Right now and in the foreseeable future, the best option for that is 7700K, unless:

1. 3D Vision driver bug gets fixed.

2. Games start maxing more than ~3-4 cores they have been doing in recent times.

Additionally, for RyZen, they need to get their gaming performance issues fixed with the new ThreadRipper platform.

In my personal opinion, you are still going to get the best overall 3D Vision performance with an OC 7700K over the next 3 years compared to anything else existing or due to come out by then.

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Posted 06/13/2017 12:17 AM   
[quote="RAGEdemon"]@lacuna Blower type cards are actually better for multi GPU setups unless the case is extremely well ventilated. The problem with open air cards is that they simply dump all the heat into the case so even with better cooling, the ambient temperature means that they can't out perform blower cards. Blowers are louder, and less effective at cooling, but manage to dump most of the heat out of the case. Also, the overclockability of open air vs blower isn't too significant this generation, because it has more to do with the chip quality than cooling. Everyone called the FE as the "flounders edition", and expected open air cards to perform much better. Unfortunately, they performed very similarly, even with power mods and water cooling. So, good on you for getting that card. It will perform almost as good as even the highest end water cooled solution at double the price! @BlacK_MagiC Unfortunately, yes. Even with the upcoming >4 core CPU's from Intel, because higher core count = lower clock. For 3D vision, especially due to the CPU driver bug, you need high core clock (i.e. lower core count). Right now and in the foreseeable future, the best option for that is 7700K, unless: 1. 3D Vision driver bug gets fixed. 2. Games start maxing more than ~3-4 cores they have been doing in recent times. Additionally, for RyZen, they need to get their gaming performance issues fixed with the new ThreadRipper platform. In my personal opinion, you are still going to get the best overall 3D Vision performance with an OC 7700K over the next 3 years compared to anything else existing or due to come out by then.[/quote] Im planning to update later this Year when the 10nm chips Are out, Don't you think the 10nm chips run cooler equals more over clock ? If i remember correctly there Was one 4 core model over 4ghz stock , or do i have wrong Info
RAGEdemon said:@lacuna

Blower type cards are actually better for multi GPU setups unless the case is extremely well ventilated. The problem with open air cards is that they simply dump all the heat into the case so even with better cooling, the ambient temperature means that they can't out perform blower cards.

Blowers are louder, and less effective at cooling, but manage to dump most of the heat out of the case.

Also, the overclockability of open air vs blower isn't too significant this generation, because it has more to do with the chip quality than cooling. Everyone called the FE as the "flounders edition", and expected open air cards to perform much better. Unfortunately, they performed very similarly, even with power mods and water cooling.

So, good on you for getting that card. It will perform almost as good as even the highest end water cooled solution at double the price!

@BlacK_MagiC

Unfortunately, yes. Even with the upcoming >4 core CPU's from Intel, because higher core count = lower clock.

For 3D vision, especially due to the CPU driver bug, you need high core clock (i.e. lower core count).

Right now and in the foreseeable future, the best option for that is 7700K, unless:

1. 3D Vision driver bug gets fixed.

2. Games start maxing more than ~3-4 cores they have been doing in recent times.

Additionally, for RyZen, they need to get their gaming performance issues fixed with the new ThreadRipper platform.

In my personal opinion, you are still going to get the best overall 3D Vision performance with an OC 7700K over the next 3 years compared to anything else existing or due to come out by then.


Im planning to update later this Year when the 10nm chips Are out,
Don't you think the 10nm chips run cooler equals more over clock ?
If i remember correctly there Was one 4 core model over 4ghz stock , or do i have wrong
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Posted 06/13/2017 04:52 PM   
@RAGEdemon, ambient temp was the reason for me to buy a blower style card as you explained. My previous card has an open air cooling and it was causing my CPU to overheat with OC. My case is a full tower Lian Li and has a decent air flow but it's a very old case (doesn't have top or side ventilation) and air flow was not enough for an open air card. After buying my current blower style card CPU temperature dropped 5-10 degrees celcius under load.
@RAGEdemon, ambient temp was the reason for me to buy a blower style card as you explained. My previous card has an open air cooling and it was causing my CPU to overheat with OC. My case is a full tower Lian Li and has a decent air flow but it's a very old case (doesn't have top or side ventilation) and air flow was not enough for an open air card.

After buying my current blower style card CPU temperature dropped 5-10 degrees celcius under load.

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Posted 06/13/2017 07:26 PM   
Glad to hear it worked out for you lacuna. @Metaloholic That's an interesting point mate. Optimistic extrapolations might put it a couple of hundred MHz faster, but die shrinks don't produce higher performance as they used to. For example, going from 22nm Haswell to 14nm Broadwell only gave a few % performance increase. I personally don't think that was worth the wait when one can have enjoyed gaming over that 1.3 year gap in time with a Haswell. We won't see any single thread/clock frequency improvements till new materials start to be used in substitute to Silicon. Unfortunately, we are at its limit. As you can see from the graphs below, IPC, and clock speeds have hit a barrier back in ~2003. [img]http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/CPU-Scaling.jpg[/img]
Glad to hear it worked out for you lacuna.

@Metaloholic

That's an interesting point mate. Optimistic extrapolations might put it a couple of hundred MHz faster, but die shrinks don't produce higher performance as they used to. For example, going from 22nm Haswell to 14nm Broadwell only gave a few % performance increase. I personally don't think that was worth the wait when one can have enjoyed gaming over that 1.3 year gap in time with a Haswell.

We won't see any single thread/clock frequency improvements till new materials start to be used in substitute to Silicon. Unfortunately, we are at its limit.

As you can see from the graphs below, IPC, and clock speeds have hit a barrier back in ~2003.


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Posted 06/14/2017 05:55 AM   
Fuck thats depression incarnated
Fuck thats depression incarnated

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Posted 06/14/2017 02:10 PM   
Here's the link to the article that the pic is from http://www.extremetech.com/computing/116561-the-death-of-cpu-scaling-from-one-core-to-many-and-why-were-still-stuck

Posted 06/14/2017 04:36 PM   
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