Home made 3D videos This is a link to an ISO of a AVCHD 3D DVD
This is a few of my locally shot 3D videos in a disc image format.
Doing this just for fun just like I used to do with my old 8MM film camera back in the early 60s.
I played them on my 3D vision system and on my Panasonic 3DTV and the difference is night and day.
Guess which one looks better.
[url="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/Homebrew%203DHD%28TM%29.iso"]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/Homebrew%203DHD%28TM%29.iso[/url]
This is a few of my locally shot 3D videos in a disc image format.

Doing this just for fun just like I used to do with my old 8MM film camera back in the early 60s.

I played them on my 3D vision system and on my Panasonic 3DTV and the difference is night and day.

Guess which one looks better.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/Homebrew%203DHD%28TM%29.iso

#1
Posted 05/31/2010 03:25 PM   
[quote name='3D Frank' post='1065290' date='May 31 2010, 11:25 AM']This is a few of my locally shot 3D videos in a disc image format.
Doing this just for fun just like I used to do with my old 8MM film camera back in the early 60s.
I played them on my 3D vision system and on my Panasonic 3DTV and the difference is night and day.
Guess which one looks better.
[url="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/Homebrew%203DHD%28TM%29.iso"]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/Homebrew%203DHD%28TM%29.iso[/url][/quote]


Which one Frank?


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[quote name='3D Frank' post='1065290' date='May 31 2010, 11:25 AM']This is a few of my locally shot 3D videos in a disc image format.

Doing this just for fun just like I used to do with my old 8MM film camera back in the early 60s.

I played them on my 3D vision system and on my Panasonic 3DTV and the difference is night and day.

Guess which one looks better.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/Homebrew%203DHD%28TM%29.iso





Which one Frank?





MOTHERBOARD: EVGA 780I SLI A2 P-06Bios

CPU: Intel 2 Core Quad QX9650 45nm(OC @ 3.83GHz FSB:1333 @ 1.3200V set in bios)prime95 all day

CPU Cooler: Gigabyte 3D Mercury case with integrated watercooling (cpu only at present)

RAM: 2x2GB OCZ PC8000 SLI (Timing:5-5-5-15-2T@ 2.0V, FSB:DRAM Ratio=2:3)

GRAPHICS: 2X EVGA GTX 480sc(clocks: 769c/1007mem/1538shader, stock heatsink)

HDD1: 2X Western Digital Caviar SATA II 250GB 7200 rpm Raid 0

HDD2: Western Digital Caviar SATA II 500GB 7200 rpm

SOUND: On board

OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit SP2

MONITOR: Dell 3008wfp 30" Native Res: 2560X1600 @ 60Hz, Acer235Hz120Hz-3D

PSU: Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W

CASE: Gigabyte 3D Mercury

3DMARK Vantage: 29,686p Current Display Driver:197.41

#2
Posted 05/31/2010 06:32 PM   
And in what ways?
And in what ways?

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#3
Posted 05/31/2010 07:59 PM   
[quote name='fanfair' post='1065477' date='May 31 2010, 07:59 PM']And in what ways?[/quote]

Yeh, which one does look better ?

I'd hope the 3D Panasonic would..
[quote name='fanfair' post='1065477' date='May 31 2010, 07:59 PM']And in what ways?



Yeh, which one does look better ?



I'd hope the 3D Panasonic would..

#4
Posted 05/31/2010 08:52 PM   
The Panasonic wins by a huge margin. The contrast and color make an astonishing difference.
The Panasonic wins by a huge margin. The contrast and color make an astonishing difference.

#5
Posted 05/31/2010 10:48 PM   
[quote name='3D Frank' post='1065549' date='May 31 2010, 10:48 PM']The Panasonic wins by a huge margin. The contrast and color make an astonishing difference.[/quote]

Well, of course the actual screen is better. That plasma is brilliantl, nearly bought it myself but never took the plunge.

Pretending the screens were the same on the 3D Vision setup and the Panasonic, would you say the 3D was still better ?
[quote name='3D Frank' post='1065549' date='May 31 2010, 10:48 PM']The Panasonic wins by a huge margin. The contrast and color make an astonishing difference.



Well, of course the actual screen is better. That plasma is brilliantl, nearly bought it myself but never took the plunge.



Pretending the screens were the same on the 3D Vision setup and the Panasonic, would you say the 3D was still better ?

#6
Posted 05/31/2010 11:21 PM   
[quote name='kmanmx' post='1065574' date='May 31 2010, 06:21 PM']Well, of course the actual screen is better. That plasma is brilliantl, nearly bought it myself but never took the plunge.

Pretending the screens were the same on the 3D Vision setup and the Panasonic, would you say the 3D was still better ?[/quote]
Sorry, I don't have any idea how to "Pretend" the screens were the same.
[quote name='kmanmx' post='1065574' date='May 31 2010, 06:21 PM']Well, of course the actual screen is better. That plasma is brilliantl, nearly bought it myself but never took the plunge.



Pretending the screens were the same on the 3D Vision setup and the Panasonic, would you say the 3D was still better ?

Sorry, I don't have any idea how to "Pretend" the screens were the same.

#7
Posted 05/31/2010 11:27 PM   
[quote name='3D Frank' post='1065577' date='May 31 2010, 11:27 PM']Sorry, I don't have any idea how to "Pretend" the screens were the same.[/quote]



I'll rephrase..

Technology wise, pretend the color/contrast/brightness/size of the different screens was the same and only the 3D engine technology differed, which do you think would provide a superior 3D effect ? for example you may get lots of popout on the Panasonic and none on the nVidia 3D Vision technology.

I could be wrong, but i think how good the 3D looks is more down to the glasses and technology/software use in rendering the 3D image. I would of thought the only things the screen affects is the depth, controlled by screen size and crosstalk/ghosting by the display type and response time.
[quote name='3D Frank' post='1065577' date='May 31 2010, 11:27 PM']Sorry, I don't have any idea how to "Pretend" the screens were the same.







I'll rephrase..



Technology wise, pretend the color/contrast/brightness/size of the different screens was the same and only the 3D engine technology differed, which do you think would provide a superior 3D effect ? for example you may get lots of popout on the Panasonic and none on the nVidia 3D Vision technology.



I could be wrong, but i think how good the 3D looks is more down to the glasses and technology/software use in rendering the 3D image. I would of thought the only things the screen affects is the depth, controlled by screen size and crosstalk/ghosting by the display type and response time.

#8
Posted 05/31/2010 11:42 PM   
[quote name='kmanmx' post='1065588' date='May 31 2010, 06:42 PM']I'll rephrase..

Technology wise, pretend the color/contrast/brightness/size of the different screens was the same and only the 3D engine technology differed, which do you think would provide a superior 3D effect ? for example you may get lots of popout on the Panasonic and none on the nVidia 3D Vision technology.

I could be wrong, but i think how good the 3D looks is more down to the glasses and technology/software use in rendering the 3D image. I would of thought the only things the screen affects is the depth, controlled by screen size and crosstalk/ghosting by the display type and response time.[/quote]

Here is a 3D video I shot which shows severe ghosting on my Nvidia system.
The same file shows no visible ghosting on the Panasonic.
[url="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/ghosting%20test.m2ts"]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/ghosting%20test.m2ts[/url]
I would really like to know why.
[quote name='kmanmx' post='1065588' date='May 31 2010, 06:42 PM']I'll rephrase..



Technology wise, pretend the color/contrast/brightness/size of the different screens was the same and only the 3D engine technology differed, which do you think would provide a superior 3D effect ? for example you may get lots of popout on the Panasonic and none on the nVidia 3D Vision technology.



I could be wrong, but i think how good the 3D looks is more down to the glasses and technology/software use in rendering the 3D image. I would of thought the only things the screen affects is the depth, controlled by screen size and crosstalk/ghosting by the display type and response time.



Here is a 3D video I shot which shows severe ghosting on my Nvidia system.

The same file shows no visible ghosting on the Panasonic.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/ghosting%20test.m2ts

I would really like to know why.

#9
Posted 05/31/2010 11:57 PM   
The answer is simple - brighter objects on darker background with high separation. Notice how the most brightly lit by the sun parts of the boats only have ghosting. Probably the LCD overdrive function is also to partly to blame for that problem, it is being used to increase the speed at which the pixels on the screen respond and change their color, but it also has some side effects. And on Plasma you don't need to make the pixels respond faster, they are already responding fast enough ;)
The answer is simple - brighter objects on darker background with high separation. Notice how the most brightly lit by the sun parts of the boats only have ghosting. Probably the LCD overdrive function is also to partly to blame for that problem, it is being used to increase the speed at which the pixels on the screen respond and change their color, but it also has some side effects. And on Plasma you don't need to make the pixels respond faster, they are already responding fast enough ;)

My 3D Vision Blog - 3dvision-blog.com

#10
Posted 06/01/2010 08:14 AM   
[quote name='Bloody' post='1065714' date='Jun 1 2010, 03:14 AM']The answer is simple - brighter objects on darker background with high separation. Notice how the most brightly lit by the sun parts of the boats only have ghosting. Probably the LCD overdrive function is also to partly to blame for that problem, it is being used to increase the speed at which the pixels on the screen respond and change their color, but it also has some side effects. And on Plasma you don't need to make the pixels respond faster, they are already responding fast enough ;)[/quote]
It would seem that this type of monitor is 120 hertz on the "input only" and can not actually display at 120 hertz.
Very disappointing as these videos are virtually unwatchable on the Nvidia monitor.
[quote name='Bloody' post='1065714' date='Jun 1 2010, 03:14 AM']The answer is simple - brighter objects on darker background with high separation. Notice how the most brightly lit by the sun parts of the boats only have ghosting. Probably the LCD overdrive function is also to partly to blame for that problem, it is being used to increase the speed at which the pixels on the screen respond and change their color, but it also has some side effects. And on Plasma you don't need to make the pixels respond faster, they are already responding fast enough ;)

It would seem that this type of monitor is 120 hertz on the "input only" and can not actually display at 120 hertz.

Very disappointing as these videos are virtually unwatchable on the Nvidia monitor.

#11
Posted 06/01/2010 12:01 PM   
It is a technology limitation for the LCDs, although my experience shows that by cutting some of the brightest colors this type of ghosting can be significantly reduced... the problem is that I still haven't found an universal way to make it work with the least impact on visual quality. And I'm sure that if the monitor developers cared enough they could've built an anti-ghosting mode in their products that will do it oh a hardware level on the monitor side, but anyway. You can try this and then play the video with 3D Vision: [url="http://3dvision-blog.com/effectively-reducing-stereo-3d-ghosting-in-some-games-with-3d-vision/"]http://3dvision-blog.com/effectively-reduc...with-3d-vision/[/url]
It is a technology limitation for the LCDs, although my experience shows that by cutting some of the brightest colors this type of ghosting can be significantly reduced... the problem is that I still haven't found an universal way to make it work with the least impact on visual quality. And I'm sure that if the monitor developers cared enough they could've built an anti-ghosting mode in their products that will do it oh a hardware level on the monitor side, but anyway. You can try this and then play the video with 3D Vision: http://3dvision-blog.com/effectively-reduc...with-3d-vision/

My 3D Vision Blog - 3dvision-blog.com

#12
Posted 06/01/2010 01:13 PM   
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