there been some topics on the gamestream forums talking about streaming stereoscopic 3d without using a 3rd party app. like tridef 3d. so it got me searching for all kinds of stereoscopic 3d related stuff and i stumble on this device:
edison 3d: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edison-3d-make-any-tv-a-3dtv#/ and the price is $179 with the device and 1 pair of 3d shuttter glasses.
they claim it works on any tv up to 1080p and does all types of stereoscopic 3d like 2d to 3d, side by side and top to bottom. i would get one but it's sold out. i would get a nvidia 3d vision 2 too, but it cost $130 and more if there any cheap 3d vision ready tv or buy the cheapest lg 3d tv which is $1999.99 (55') on their site: http://www.lg.com/us/3d-tvs that could all the 3d stuff i mentioned.
i do want a 3rd 3d vision that have all those features with the ability to do 4k for at least $100 to $150 that could convert a 2d display into 3d and doesn't rely on a external monitor, since the 1st and 2nd gen. was made back since 2008 well the ir emitter is.
there been some topics on the gamestream forums talking about streaming stereoscopic 3d without using a 3rd party app. like tridef 3d. so it got me searching for all kinds of stereoscopic 3d related stuff and i stumble on this device:
edison 3d: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edison-3d-make-any-tv-a-3dtv#/ and the price is $179 with the device and 1 pair of 3d shuttter glasses.
they claim it works on any tv up to 1080p and does all types of stereoscopic 3d like 2d to 3d, side by side and top to bottom. i would get one but it's sold out. i would get a nvidia 3d vision 2 too, but it cost $130 and more if there any cheap 3d vision ready tv or buy the cheapest lg 3d tv which is $1999.99 (55') on their site: http://www.lg.com/us/3d-tvs that could all the 3d stuff i mentioned.
i do want a 3rd 3d vision that have all those features with the ability to do 4k for at least $100 to $150 that could convert a 2d display into 3d and doesn't rely on a external monitor, since the 1st and 2nd gen. was made back since 2008 well the ir emitter is.
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[quote="lou4612"]There is no "cheaper" 3D product that is going to give you anywhere near what 3D Vision does...Sorry[/quote]
how about a 3rd generation one what i say above, nvidia could do it, it'll cost less than a shield tv 16gb. around $100 to $150 doing active 3d 4k with all the stereoscopic 3d stuff i say.
lou4612 said:There is no "cheaper" 3D product that is going to give you anywhere near what 3D Vision does...Sorry
how about a 3rd generation one what i say above, nvidia could do it, it'll cost less than a shield tv 16gb. around $100 to $150 doing active 3d 4k with all the stereoscopic 3d stuff i say.
This converter device will provide very poor 3D.
The image will have very high flicker due to refreshing at 60Hz instead of 120Hz/144Hz for proper active shutter displays, and regular TVs aren't necessarily tuned for extra aggressive LCD transition to lower the response time so there is a very high probability of having a significant amount of crosstalk (3D ghosting).
2D to 3D conversion is a very lengthy process to get right. It takes millions of $ and months for studios to make it right. On the fly 2D to 3D conversion has lots of problems and will always have issues.
3DTVs also often have on-board 2D to 3D conversion but it's just there as a bullet point on the sales brochure to try and convince people don't know a thing about 3D to buy a more expensive TV. (it's never good).
Nvidia considers 3D Vision as an exclusive proprietary technology, like CUDA and Physix.
Nvidia requires display manufacturers to pay them for certification and royalties per display sold regardless of whether the consumers use the 3D feature.
General purpose display manufacturers like TV manufacturers and Projector manufacturers will never pay the heavy royalties for a technology less than 1/10 000 buyers actually use. Monitor manufacturers only produce a very small amount of 3D Vision compatible monitors specifically for the niche 3D fans (us).
Nvidia used to be a driving force in the 3D revival, but by refusing to open up their system, NVidia killed any chance of 3D vision growth.
Right now, 3D is off the radar of almost all manufacturers. The hot word right now is 4K and HDR.
3D isn't part of it. It isn't even part of the new 4K hdmi spec. So manufacturers won't even try to add it on their TVs.
Sorry. But the only way to get quality 3D is purpose built hardware.
The image will have very high flicker due to refreshing at 60Hz instead of 120Hz/144Hz for proper active shutter displays, and regular TVs aren't necessarily tuned for extra aggressive LCD transition to lower the response time so there is a very high probability of having a significant amount of crosstalk (3D ghosting).
2D to 3D conversion is a very lengthy process to get right. It takes millions of $ and months for studios to make it right. On the fly 2D to 3D conversion has lots of problems and will always have issues.
3DTVs also often have on-board 2D to 3D conversion but it's just there as a bullet point on the sales brochure to try and convince people don't know a thing about 3D to buy a more expensive TV. (it's never good).
Nvidia considers 3D Vision as an exclusive proprietary technology, like CUDA and Physix.
Nvidia requires display manufacturers to pay them for certification and royalties per display sold regardless of whether the consumers use the 3D feature.
General purpose display manufacturers like TV manufacturers and Projector manufacturers will never pay the heavy royalties for a technology less than 1/10 000 buyers actually use. Monitor manufacturers only produce a very small amount of 3D Vision compatible monitors specifically for the niche 3D fans (us).
Nvidia used to be a driving force in the 3D revival, but by refusing to open up their system, NVidia killed any chance of 3D vision growth.
Right now, 3D is off the radar of almost all manufacturers. The hot word right now is 4K and HDR.
3D isn't part of it. It isn't even part of the new 4K hdmi spec. So manufacturers won't even try to add it on their TVs.
Sorry. But the only way to get quality 3D is purpose built hardware.
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[quote="BlackSharkfr"]This converter device will provide very poor 3D.
The image will have very high flicker due to refreshing at 60Hz instead of 120Hz/144Hz for proper active shutter displays, and regular TVs aren't necessarily tuned for extra aggressive LCD transition to lower the response time so there is a very high probability of having a significant amount of crosstalk (3D ghosting).
2D to 3D conversion is a very lengthy process to get right. It takes millions of $ and months for studios to make it right. On the fly 2D to 3D conversion has lots of problems and will always have issues.
3DTVs also often have on-board 2D to 3D conversion but it's just there as a bullet point on the sales brochure to try and convince people don't know a thing about 3D to buy a more expensive TV. (it's never good).
Nvidia considers 3D Vision as an exclusive proprietary technology, like CUDA and Physix.
Nvidia requires display manufacturers to pay them for certification and royalties per display sold regardless of whether the consumers use the 3D feature.
General purpose display manufacturers like TV manufacturers and Projector manufacturers will never pay the heavy royalties for a technology less than 1/10 000 buyers actually use. Monitor manufacturers only produce a very small amount of 3D Vision compatible monitors specifically for the niche 3D fans (us).
Nvidia used to be a driving force in the 3D revival, but by refusing to open up their system, NVidia killed any chance of 3D vision growth.
Right now, 3D is off the radar of almost all manufacturers. The hot word right now is 4K and HDR.
3D isn't part of it. It isn't even part of the new 4K hdmi spec. So manufacturers won't even try to add it on their TVs.
Sorry. But the only way to get quality 3D is purpose built hardware.
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i guess so, that too bad since read some many things that comes out those 3d effect was good, all modes of 3d. thanks, i probably get a uhd tv with stereoscopic, if i get a chance.
BlackSharkfr said:This converter device will provide very poor 3D.
The image will have very high flicker due to refreshing at 60Hz instead of 120Hz/144Hz for proper active shutter displays, and regular TVs aren't necessarily tuned for extra aggressive LCD transition to lower the response time so there is a very high probability of having a significant amount of crosstalk (3D ghosting).
2D to 3D conversion is a very lengthy process to get right. It takes millions of $ and months for studios to make it right. On the fly 2D to 3D conversion has lots of problems and will always have issues.
3DTVs also often have on-board 2D to 3D conversion but it's just there as a bullet point on the sales brochure to try and convince people don't know a thing about 3D to buy a more expensive TV. (it's never good).
Nvidia considers 3D Vision as an exclusive proprietary technology, like CUDA and Physix.
Nvidia requires display manufacturers to pay them for certification and royalties per display sold regardless of whether the consumers use the 3D feature.
General purpose display manufacturers like TV manufacturers and Projector manufacturers will never pay the heavy royalties for a technology less than 1/10 000 buyers actually use. Monitor manufacturers only produce a very small amount of 3D Vision compatible monitors specifically for the niche 3D fans (us).
Nvidia used to be a driving force in the 3D revival, but by refusing to open up their system, NVidia killed any chance of 3D vision growth.
Right now, 3D is off the radar of almost all manufacturers. The hot word right now is 4K and HDR.
3D isn't part of it. It isn't even part of the new 4K hdmi spec. So manufacturers won't even try to add it on their TVs.
Sorry. But the only way to get quality 3D is purpose built hardware.
i guess so, that too bad since read some many things that comes out those 3d effect was good, all modes of 3d. thanks, i probably get a uhd tv with stereoscopic, if i get a chance.
Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...
Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...
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[quote="shinra358"]Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.[/quote]
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shinra358 said:Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
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[quote="shinra358"]Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...[/quote]
WTF man? I get that you don't understand 3D but why do you have to mislead other ppl too?
Do you even compare on the fly 2D-3D to real 3D?
You should know that many of use tridef also so we are not nvidia fanboys, we are 3D fanboys.
But you don't get 3D so please next time you want to post DON'T
shinra358 said:Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...
WTF man? I get that you don't understand 3D but why do you have to mislead other ppl too?
Do you even compare on the fly 2D-3D to real 3D?
You should know that many of use tridef also so we are not nvidia fanboys, we are 3D fanboys.
But you don't get 3D so please next time you want to post DON'T
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Yeah i admit being Nvidia fanboy. yes but it´s only due the fact 3d vision does not work with AMD cards and to me it has much better support. atleast that´s what my HW "supports" Yes i also own tridef and have played some games with it that were great. shinra358 is full of shit, i would not listed to a word he/she has to say.
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Isn't Shinra our resident troll? (or was it someone else?) Don't do the feeding, guys.
To the OP:
My friend, read that article again. Even if we overlook the unacceptable spelling errors all over the place, and even if you may not understand how 3D is simulated in digital images as opposed to the real images that the eyes see in the natural world - there's nothing preventing you from a simple mental exercise:
These guys are claiming that they can convert 2D information into 3D, which has never been done on Earth because the information for depth does not exist.
Let's say I'm an artist and I create a very simple digital image in 3D, a circle and a square side by side. The square is pushing out of the screen and the circle is deep like a hole in the screen.
Now, let's switch the 3D off, take a photo of my art image and send it to the Edison-3D-my-balls guys asking for your money to fund their ass-project.
When they convert my image, can you please tell me how will they determine that I wanted the square to protrude out and the circle to go deep in the image? Maybe they will get it right one in four times, for such a simplistic example, but now imagine doing that to "Pinocchio" as they claim.
I don't know if it's sad or not, to see people think this is legit. If I was younger I would have at least gotten a laugh out of it.
Isn't Shinra our resident troll? (or was it someone else?) Don't do the feeding, guys.
To the OP:
My friend, read that article again. Even if we overlook the unacceptable spelling errors all over the place, and even if you may not understand how 3D is simulated in digital images as opposed to the real images that the eyes see in the natural world - there's nothing preventing you from a simple mental exercise:
These guys are claiming that they can convert 2D information into 3D, which has never been done on Earth because the information for depth does not exist.
Let's say I'm an artist and I create a very simple digital image in 3D, a circle and a square side by side. The square is pushing out of the screen and the circle is deep like a hole in the screen.
Now, let's switch the 3D off, take a photo of my art image and send it to the Edison-3D-my-balls guys asking for your money to fund their ass-project.
When they convert my image, can you please tell me how will they determine that I wanted the square to protrude out and the circle to go deep in the image? Maybe they will get it right one in four times, for such a simplistic example, but now imagine doing that to "Pinocchio" as they claim.
I don't know if it's sad or not, to see people think this is legit. If I was younger I would have at least gotten a laugh out of it.
I doubt any update for 3D glasses will ever come out now.
Notice how TV manufacturers have taken 3D off the majority of their TV’s?
Some people will say it’s because 3D is dead etc but I think it’s a crafty way of making money in the future.
James Cameron has announced that avatar 2 will be a cinema first! 3D without the glasses!
So the TV manufacturers have probably got wind of it and have decided to take 3D away so they can add it on in a few years time.
This way people can’t say ‘my TV already does 3D so no need to upgrade’
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/avatar-2-release-date-3d-glasses-james-cameron-a7811961.html%3famp
When 3D TV’s come out without glasses will be when 3D gets its proper time in the sun.
I would love nvidia to release a 3D vision monitor without glasses.
The new hdmi spec would allow 4k 120hz with variable refresh rate.
You would think with the money nvidia makes they could take a punt on tech like this. I guess their balls have got smaller whilst their bottom line has got bigger.
Nvidia are spending all their R&D on AI, self driving cars and the likes. Gaming has been put on the back burner it seems
I doubt any update for 3D glasses will ever come out now.
Notice how TV manufacturers have taken 3D off the majority of their TV’s?
Some people will say it’s because 3D is dead etc but I think it’s a crafty way of making money in the future.
When 3D TV’s come out without glasses will be when 3D gets its proper time in the sun.
I would love nvidia to release a 3D vision monitor without glasses.
The new hdmi spec would allow 4k 120hz with variable refresh rate.
You would think with the money nvidia makes they could take a punt on tech like this. I guess their balls have got smaller whilst their bottom line has got bigger.
Nvidia are spending all their R&D on AI, self driving cars and the likes. Gaming has been put on the back burner it seems
Have a second look at that article.
James Cameron only says the next Avatar movie will be shown with higher brightness thanks to the newer projectors. The glasses free stuff is speculating about the future developments of TVs.
There are already glasses free TVs on the market right now (they've been around for about 20 years). The reason why you don't see them everywhere is because they're super expensive because they require expensive hardware :
1 - MORE PIXELS for the equivalent quality (8x minimum to be usable, 12~16x for proper good quality)
2 - a very sophisticated optical layer on top of the pixels that needs to match the pixel grid perfectly
Over the last 20 years, glasses free displays haven't changed at all. All they have been doing was increasing the panel resolution to whatever the industry is able to provide. (SD, then 720p, then 1080p, then 4K...)
The tech also has a huge downside : it cannot be used for projection. It doesn't work in a theater. It only works on a TV.
The only way for such a technology to ever catch on the general public is if TV manufacturers start doing retina-style super-über-ultra high resolution displays like 8K or 16K for the same price as regular TVs, with no content to match from the movie industry. It's probably not going to happen.
Have a second look at that article.
James Cameron only says the next Avatar movie will be shown with higher brightness thanks to the newer projectors. The glasses free stuff is speculating about the future developments of TVs.
There are already glasses free TVs on the market right now (they've been around for about 20 years). The reason why you don't see them everywhere is because they're super expensive because they require expensive hardware :
1 - MORE PIXELS for the equivalent quality (8x minimum to be usable, 12~16x for proper good quality)
2 - a very sophisticated optical layer on top of the pixels that needs to match the pixel grid perfectly
Over the last 20 years, glasses free displays haven't changed at all. All they have been doing was increasing the panel resolution to whatever the industry is able to provide. (SD, then 720p, then 1080p, then 4K...)
The tech also has a huge downside : it cannot be used for projection. It doesn't work in a theater. It only works on a TV.
The only way for such a technology to ever catch on the general public is if TV manufacturers start doing retina-style super-über-ultra high resolution displays like 8K or 16K for the same price as regular TVs, with no content to match from the movie industry. It's probably not going to happen.
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[quote="shinra358"]Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...[/quote]
Oh no... Not you again...
Honestly, I do not get it! What is it that you hate so much about 3D Vision and Nvidia, that you had to come on the Geforce forum and post that?
Could other manufactures do what Nvidia did with 3D Vision? Sure! Could they do it better? They could!
But, how many did it? None, except Nvidia.
So... again... I don't get it... What is it you hate about it and the community here that you always make posts like the one above ?
shinra358 said:Don't listen to these guys. These glasses are doing the exact same thing that the nvidia technology is doing except for everything is in the glasses instead of it being drm'd to certain devices to force you to buy said devices. Glasses free 3D is just as great as 3Dvision. And it looks like this will be too. Guy's on this forum support nvidia and everything they do without question no matter how much they screw them over. Just remember that. You'll get no decent unbiased convo here.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...
Oh no... Not you again...
Honestly, I do not get it! What is it that you hate so much about 3D Vision and Nvidia, that you had to come on the Geforce forum and post that?
Could other manufactures do what Nvidia did with 3D Vision? Sure! Could they do it better? They could!
But, how many did it? None, except Nvidia.
So... again... I don't get it... What is it you hate about it and the community here that you always make posts like the one above ?
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to all, i don't mind as long i could see stereoscopic 3d clearly and move my head around. the 2d to 3d conversion is just like moving a 2d video signal to left and right equal like 1.5 inches left to right on the eye's pupil, yea it won't like true 3d but it's still kind works like other people say it does. if nvidia doesn't want to do a 3rd generation one that fine, a 2008 tech. with a price $130 with limited tv is going to cost more, like i say on post #5, it sound good, i probably getting a lg 3dtv (passive one) when ever our current tv dies.
the only stereoscopic 3d i try was circular polarization one in theater (james cameron's avatar) which the 3d effect was good and my anaglyph 3d device (3d video wizard) which is very poor for me (amber/yellow and blue).
to all, i don't mind as long i could see stereoscopic 3d clearly and move my head around. the 2d to 3d conversion is just like moving a 2d video signal to left and right equal like 1.5 inches left to right on the eye's pupil, yea it won't like true 3d but it's still kind works like other people say it does. if nvidia doesn't want to do a 3rd generation one that fine, a 2008 tech. with a price $130 with limited tv is going to cost more, like i say on post #5, it sound good, i probably getting a lg 3dtv (passive one) when ever our current tv dies.
the only stereoscopic 3d i try was circular polarization one in theater (james cameron's avatar) which the 3d effect was good and my anaglyph 3d device (3d video wizard) which is very poor for me (amber/yellow and blue).
[quote="Nintendians-2"]to all, i don't mind as long i could see stereoscopic 3d clearly and move my head around. the 2d to 3d conversion is just like moving a 2d video signal to left and right equal like 1.5 inches left to right on the eye's pupil, yea it won't like true 3d but it's still kind works like other people say it does.[/quote]
No. It does not work like that.
3D is not about shifting the image, if you do that all you'll see is the exact same 2D image farther in the distance. Stereoscopic 3D is about shifting the entire perspective. Each object in the scene is shifted slightly differently based of it's distance to the viewer. And if a single object is in the wrong place, you'll notice.
Stereopsis is performed automatically in the brain, it is a subconscious process, a bit like hearing , or smell. If your eyes see it, your brain will process it, and you can't turn it off.
Faults in the 3D image will hit you, and hit hard.
Bad 3D is so unpleasant to look at that it makes people sick (blurry vision, headaches, disorientation, some rare cases of people throwing up).
You do not want an approximate half-baked solution, all it will do is make you switch back to 2D and never look back.
If you want to enjoy 3D, you need the real quality thing.
Nintendians-2 said:to all, i don't mind as long i could see stereoscopic 3d clearly and move my head around. the 2d to 3d conversion is just like moving a 2d video signal to left and right equal like 1.5 inches left to right on the eye's pupil, yea it won't like true 3d but it's still kind works like other people say it does.
No. It does not work like that.
3D is not about shifting the image, if you do that all you'll see is the exact same 2D image farther in the distance. Stereoscopic 3D is about shifting the entire perspective. Each object in the scene is shifted slightly differently based of it's distance to the viewer. And if a single object is in the wrong place, you'll notice.
Stereopsis is performed automatically in the brain, it is a subconscious process, a bit like hearing , or smell. If your eyes see it, your brain will process it, and you can't turn it off.
Faults in the 3D image will hit you, and hit hard.
Bad 3D is so unpleasant to look at that it makes people sick (blurry vision, headaches, disorientation, some rare cases of people throwing up).
You do not want an approximate half-baked solution, all it will do is make you switch back to 2D and never look back.
If you want to enjoy 3D, you need the real quality thing.
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they claim it works on any tv up to 1080p and does all types of stereoscopic 3d like 2d to 3d, side by side and top to bottom. i would get one but it's sold out. i would get a nvidia 3d vision 2 too, but it cost $130 and more if there any cheap 3d vision ready tv or buy the cheapest lg 3d tv which is $1999.99 (55') on their site: http://www.lg.com/us/3d-tvs that could all the 3d stuff i mentioned.
i do want a 3rd 3d vision that have all those features with the ability to do 4k for at least $100 to $150 that could convert a 2d display into 3d and doesn't rely on a external monitor, since the 1st and 2nd gen. was made back since 2008 well the ir emitter is.
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how about a 3rd generation one what i say above, nvidia could do it, it'll cost less than a shield tv 16gb. around $100 to $150 doing active 3d 4k with all the stereoscopic 3d stuff i say.
The image will have very high flicker due to refreshing at 60Hz instead of 120Hz/144Hz for proper active shutter displays, and regular TVs aren't necessarily tuned for extra aggressive LCD transition to lower the response time so there is a very high probability of having a significant amount of crosstalk (3D ghosting).
2D to 3D conversion is a very lengthy process to get right. It takes millions of $ and months for studios to make it right. On the fly 2D to 3D conversion has lots of problems and will always have issues.
3DTVs also often have on-board 2D to 3D conversion but it's just there as a bullet point on the sales brochure to try and convince people don't know a thing about 3D to buy a more expensive TV. (it's never good).
Nvidia considers 3D Vision as an exclusive proprietary technology, like CUDA and Physix.
Nvidia requires display manufacturers to pay them for certification and royalties per display sold regardless of whether the consumers use the 3D feature.
General purpose display manufacturers like TV manufacturers and Projector manufacturers will never pay the heavy royalties for a technology less than 1/10 000 buyers actually use. Monitor manufacturers only produce a very small amount of 3D Vision compatible monitors specifically for the niche 3D fans (us).
Nvidia used to be a driving force in the 3D revival, but by refusing to open up their system, NVidia killed any chance of 3D vision growth.
Right now, 3D is off the radar of almost all manufacturers. The hot word right now is 4K and HDR.
3D isn't part of it. It isn't even part of the new 4K hdmi spec. So manufacturers won't even try to add it on their TVs.
Sorry. But the only way to get quality 3D is purpose built hardware.
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i guess so, that too bad since read some many things that comes out those 3d effect was good, all modes of 3d. thanks, i probably get a uhd tv with stereoscopic, if i get a chance.
Only problem is, the production of these glasses seem cancelled...
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WTF man? I get that you don't understand 3D but why do you have to mislead other ppl too?
Do you even compare on the fly 2D-3D to real 3D?
You should know that many of use tridef also so we are not nvidia fanboys, we are 3D fanboys.
But you don't get 3D so please next time you want to post DON'T
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To the OP:
My friend, read that article again. Even if we overlook the unacceptable spelling errors all over the place, and even if you may not understand how 3D is simulated in digital images as opposed to the real images that the eyes see in the natural world - there's nothing preventing you from a simple mental exercise:
These guys are claiming that they can convert 2D information into 3D, which has never been done on Earth because the information for depth does not exist.
Let's say I'm an artist and I create a very simple digital image in 3D, a circle and a square side by side. The square is pushing out of the screen and the circle is deep like a hole in the screen.
Now, let's switch the 3D off, take a photo of my art image and send it to the Edison-3D-my-balls guys asking for your money to fund their ass-project.
When they convert my image, can you please tell me how will they determine that I wanted the square to protrude out and the circle to go deep in the image? Maybe they will get it right one in four times, for such a simplistic example, but now imagine doing that to "Pinocchio" as they claim.
I don't know if it's sad or not, to see people think this is legit. If I was younger I would have at least gotten a laugh out of it.
Notice how TV manufacturers have taken 3D off the majority of their TV’s?
Some people will say it’s because 3D is dead etc but I think it’s a crafty way of making money in the future.
James Cameron has announced that avatar 2 will be a cinema first! 3D without the glasses!
So the TV manufacturers have probably got wind of it and have decided to take 3D away so they can add it on in a few years time.
This way people can’t say ‘my TV already does 3D so no need to upgrade’
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/avatar-2-release-date-3d-glasses-james-cameron-a7811961.html%3famp
When 3D TV’s come out without glasses will be when 3D gets its proper time in the sun.
I would love nvidia to release a 3D vision monitor without glasses.
The new hdmi spec would allow 4k 120hz with variable refresh rate.
You would think with the money nvidia makes they could take a punt on tech like this. I guess their balls have got smaller whilst their bottom line has got bigger.
Nvidia are spending all their R&D on AI, self driving cars and the likes. Gaming has been put on the back burner it seems
James Cameron only says the next Avatar movie will be shown with higher brightness thanks to the newer projectors. The glasses free stuff is speculating about the future developments of TVs.
There are already glasses free TVs on the market right now (they've been around for about 20 years). The reason why you don't see them everywhere is because they're super expensive because they require expensive hardware :
1 - MORE PIXELS for the equivalent quality (8x minimum to be usable, 12~16x for proper good quality)
2 - a very sophisticated optical layer on top of the pixels that needs to match the pixel grid perfectly
Over the last 20 years, glasses free displays haven't changed at all. All they have been doing was increasing the panel resolution to whatever the industry is able to provide. (SD, then 720p, then 1080p, then 4K...)
The tech also has a huge downside : it cannot be used for projection. It doesn't work in a theater. It only works on a TV.
The only way for such a technology to ever catch on the general public is if TV manufacturers start doing retina-style super-über-ultra high resolution displays like 8K or 16K for the same price as regular TVs, with no content to match from the movie industry. It's probably not going to happen.
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Oh no... Not you again...
Honestly, I do not get it! What is it that you hate so much about 3D Vision and Nvidia, that you had to come on the Geforce forum and post that?
Could other manufactures do what Nvidia did with 3D Vision? Sure! Could they do it better? They could!
But, how many did it? None, except Nvidia.
So... again... I don't get it... What is it you hate about it and the community here that you always make posts like the one above ?
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the only stereoscopic 3d i try was circular polarization one in theater (james cameron's avatar) which the 3d effect was good and my anaglyph 3d device (3d video wizard) which is very poor for me (amber/yellow and blue).
No. It does not work like that.
3D is not about shifting the image, if you do that all you'll see is the exact same 2D image farther in the distance. Stereoscopic 3D is about shifting the entire perspective. Each object in the scene is shifted slightly differently based of it's distance to the viewer. And if a single object is in the wrong place, you'll notice.
Stereopsis is performed automatically in the brain, it is a subconscious process, a bit like hearing , or smell. If your eyes see it, your brain will process it, and you can't turn it off.
Faults in the 3D image will hit you, and hit hard.
Bad 3D is so unpleasant to look at that it makes people sick (blurry vision, headaches, disorientation, some rare cases of people throwing up).
You do not want an approximate half-baked solution, all it will do is make you switch back to 2D and never look back.
If you want to enjoy 3D, you need the real quality thing.
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