A/V Receiver or HDMI switch that properly handles 120Hz HDMI video?
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I have a 120 Hz capable Acer H5360 projector (1280x720) being driven by an Nvidia GT 240. When connecting directly from the video card to the projector, the refresh rate can be properly set to 120 Hz. When using my A/V Receiver, the Onkyo TX-SR705, the display works fine at 60 Hz. But as soon as I increase the refresh rate to 120 Hz, the video is lost. Clearly the Onkyo is not correctly handling the 120 Hz signal. All HDMI cables are high-speed 1.3a cables, and both work just fine when connecting directly from the video card to the projector. The A/V receiver is supposed to be HDMI 1.3a compliant, so this wouldn't appear to be a bandwidth issue (especially at 1280x720). So something seems to be amiss with the Onkyo, and I have no idea what it is.
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?
I have a 120 Hz capable Acer H5360 projector (1280x720) being driven by an Nvidia GT 240. When connecting directly from the video card to the projector, the refresh rate can be properly set to 120 Hz. When using my A/V Receiver, the Onkyo TX-SR705, the display works fine at 60 Hz. But as soon as I increase the refresh rate to 120 Hz, the video is lost. Clearly the Onkyo is not correctly handling the 120 Hz signal. All HDMI cables are high-speed 1.3a cables, and both work just fine when connecting directly from the video card to the projector. The A/V receiver is supposed to be HDMI 1.3a compliant, so this wouldn't appear to be a bandwidth issue (especially at 1280x720). So something seems to be amiss with the Onkyo, and I have no idea what it is.
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?
AFAIK this is a limitation of current HDMI signaling specifications. Nothing I've seen indicates this is going to change anytime soon, as HDMI seems limited to 60Hz across the board. Even their new HDMI 1.4a 3D frame packing standards seem to be limited to 60Hz where 3D stereo at 1280x720p is not passed as a single frame at 120Hz, rather its 2x(1280x720) where a 2560x720 double resolution frame is passed at 60Hz to the HDTV which then uses its DSP/picture processor to split the frame and output the stereo images to the L and R eye. Maybe with HDMI 1.5, they need a reason to sell us new HDTVs, receivers and Blu-Ray players in a year or two y'know.
AFAIK this is a limitation of current HDMI signaling specifications. Nothing I've seen indicates this is going to change anytime soon, as HDMI seems limited to 60Hz across the board. Even their new HDMI 1.4a 3D frame packing standards seem to be limited to 60Hz where 3D stereo at 1280x720p is not passed as a single frame at 120Hz, rather its 2x(1280x720) where a 2560x720 double resolution frame is passed at 60Hz to the HDTV which then uses its DSP/picture processor to split the frame and output the stereo images to the L and R eye. Maybe with HDMI 1.5, they need a reason to sell us new HDTVs, receivers and Blu-Ray players in a year or two y'know.
[quote name='chiz' post='1089090' date='Jul 16 2010, 01:47 PM']AFAIK this is a limitation of current HDMI signaling specifications. Nothing I've seen indicates this is going to change anytime soon, as HDMI seems limited to 60Hz across the board. Even their new HDMI 1.4a 3D frame packing standards seem to be limited to 60Hz where 3D stereo at 1280x720p is not passed as a single frame at 120Hz, rather its 2x(1280x720) where a 2560x720 double resolution frame is passed at 60Hz to the HDTV which then uses its DSP/picture processor to split the frame and output the stereo images to the L and R eye. Maybe with HDMI 1.5, they need a reason to sell us new HDTVs, receivers and Blu-Ray players in a year or two y'know.[/quote]
That would seem to be the case because the circuitry can't handle 120Hz. Because the physical wire certainly can. Rather simply sending the signal as-is, the receiver or switch would actually have to somehow reject a 120Hz signal. If it were simple dumb switch which simply physically connected the input wires to the output wires, then it should work. I'm wondering if a simple splitter would suffice.
[quote name='chiz' post='1089090' date='Jul 16 2010, 01:47 PM']AFAIK this is a limitation of current HDMI signaling specifications. Nothing I've seen indicates this is going to change anytime soon, as HDMI seems limited to 60Hz across the board. Even their new HDMI 1.4a 3D frame packing standards seem to be limited to 60Hz where 3D stereo at 1280x720p is not passed as a single frame at 120Hz, rather its 2x(1280x720) where a 2560x720 double resolution frame is passed at 60Hz to the HDTV which then uses its DSP/picture processor to split the frame and output the stereo images to the L and R eye. Maybe with HDMI 1.5, they need a reason to sell us new HDTVs, receivers and Blu-Ray players in a year or two y'know.
That would seem to be the case because the circuitry can't handle 120Hz. Because the physical wire certainly can. Rather simply sending the signal as-is, the receiver or switch would actually have to somehow reject a 120Hz signal. If it were simple dumb switch which simply physically connected the input wires to the output wires, then it should work. I'm wondering if a simple splitter would suffice.
Ya I think 2560x720p is the current signaling limitation and why HDMI most likely can't handle 1080p in S3D, as the HDMI link is limited to single-link DVI bandwidth and interconnects. The wire can probably handle more but again, its just an ace up HDMI standards board's sleeve to sell us new A/V components in the next few years. I do know from personal experience that the signaling components in the receiver will reject signals they're not spec'd to pass, for example, older 1st gen passthrough HDMI receivers limited to 1080i/720p will not pass 1080p signals even when forced from a PC with EDID edits. If you go with a splitter, go with a powered DL-DVI splitter and use adapters through it, otherwise I expect you'll still run into the same 60Hz 1080p limitations if you go with an HDMI splitter due to the components only meeting HDMI spec. Also, have you tried to just run 2x outputs in clone mode from the GT220? One DL-DVI to the PJ and one DVI to HDMI to the Onkyo? You should be able to adjust the resolutions independently and the Onkyo should show up as a display device.
Ya I think 2560x720p is the current signaling limitation and why HDMI most likely can't handle 1080p in S3D, as the HDMI link is limited to single-link DVI bandwidth and interconnects. The wire can probably handle more but again, its just an ace up HDMI standards board's sleeve to sell us new A/V components in the next few years. I do know from personal experience that the signaling components in the receiver will reject signals they're not spec'd to pass, for example, older 1st gen passthrough HDMI receivers limited to 1080i/720p will not pass 1080p signals even when forced from a PC with EDID edits. If you go with a splitter, go with a powered DL-DVI splitter and use adapters through it, otherwise I expect you'll still run into the same 60Hz 1080p limitations if you go with an HDMI splitter due to the components only meeting HDMI spec. Also, have you tried to just run 2x outputs in clone mode from the GT220? One DL-DVI to the PJ and one DVI to HDMI to the Onkyo? You should be able to adjust the resolutions independently and the Onkyo should show up as a display device.
well i'm actually just trying to do 1280x720 @ 120 Hz. The projector is native 720p. So it really shouldn't be a bandwidth issue. I think it has something to do with their active circuitry that simply has a certain low-pass filter that rejects frequencies above a certain amount (and less than 120 Hz). Seems odd, but that's my only explanation. If it were truly pass-through then it should work.
well i'm actually just trying to do 1280x720 @ 120 Hz. The projector is native 720p. So it really shouldn't be a bandwidth issue. I think it has something to do with their active circuitry that simply has a certain low-pass filter that rejects frequencies above a certain amount (and less than 120 Hz). Seems odd, but that's my only explanation. If it were truly pass-through then it should work.
[quote name='onlinespending' post='1089056' date='Jul 16 2010, 03:30 PM']I have a 120 Hz capable Acer H5360 projector (1280x720) being driven by an Nvidia GT 240. When connecting directly from the video card to the projector, the refresh rate can be properly set to 120 Hz. When using my A/V Receiver, the Onkyo TX-SR705, the display works fine at 60 Hz. But as soon as I increase the refresh rate to 120 Hz, the video is lost. Clearly the Onkyo is not correctly handling the 120 Hz signal. All HDMI cables are high-speed 1.3a cables, and both work just fine when connecting directly from the video card to the projector. The A/V receiver is supposed to be HDMI 1.3a compliant, so this wouldn't appear to be a bandwidth issue (especially at 1280x720). So something seems to be amiss with the Onkyo, and I have no idea what it is.
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?[/quote]
I have a Panasonic VT plasma and had to purchase a Sony STR-DN1010 receiver to get 3D to pass through a receiver properly using a Playstation 3. The Yamaha it replaced wouldn't allow the PS3 to detect, or as a result, display any 3D content. I would think this receiver would do the job for 3D Vision. It's actually not bad for a lower end receiver. I was surprised that it actually sounded a little better than more expensive unit it replaced once I manually set it up, but I'm also powering fairly small speakers with it. Obviously I haven't tried 3D Vision w/ that setup yet since Nvidia's 3D Play software is still M.I.A.
But, I also own an Acer 5360 in a setup with an Onkyo receiver too (TX-SR805) and had no luck with that passing a signal in 3D either (from a PC with 3d Vision, DVI->HDMI). I actually just used the VGA port directly to the projector and and optical out from my soundcard to the receiver. This allows me to have the regular receiver's HDMI connection still running in and the VGA for the PC when needed. Much less trouble as well, using VGA than the DVI->HDMI adapter- which would give me occasional "not a 3d supported mode" error messages sometimes.
So I can't say for certain that the Sony would 100% work since I haven't tried the combo of that receiver and 3D Vision, but considering how well it works on my Panasonic w/ the Ps3, I don't see why it wouldn't. I'd just take the VGA option if I were you, but if you want to spend the money on the new receiver, the Sony should do the trick- it's designed to support 1280x720@120Hz, and 1080p at 48Hz in 3D
[quote name='onlinespending' post='1089056' date='Jul 16 2010, 03:30 PM']I have a 120 Hz capable Acer H5360 projector (1280x720) being driven by an Nvidia GT 240. When connecting directly from the video card to the projector, the refresh rate can be properly set to 120 Hz. When using my A/V Receiver, the Onkyo TX-SR705, the display works fine at 60 Hz. But as soon as I increase the refresh rate to 120 Hz, the video is lost. Clearly the Onkyo is not correctly handling the 120 Hz signal. All HDMI cables are high-speed 1.3a cables, and both work just fine when connecting directly from the video card to the projector. The A/V receiver is supposed to be HDMI 1.3a compliant, so this wouldn't appear to be a bandwidth issue (especially at 1280x720). So something seems to be amiss with the Onkyo, and I have no idea what it is.
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?
I have a Panasonic VT plasma and had to purchase a Sony STR-DN1010 receiver to get 3D to pass through a receiver properly using a Playstation 3. The Yamaha it replaced wouldn't allow the PS3 to detect, or as a result, display any 3D content. I would think this receiver would do the job for 3D Vision. It's actually not bad for a lower end receiver. I was surprised that it actually sounded a little better than more expensive unit it replaced once I manually set it up, but I'm also powering fairly small speakers with it. Obviously I haven't tried 3D Vision w/ that setup yet since Nvidia's 3D Play software is still M.I.A.
But, I also own an Acer 5360 in a setup with an Onkyo receiver too (TX-SR805) and had no luck with that passing a signal in 3D either (from a PC with 3d Vision, DVI->HDMI). I actually just used the VGA port directly to the projector and and optical out from my soundcard to the receiver. This allows me to have the regular receiver's HDMI connection still running in and the VGA for the PC when needed. Much less trouble as well, using VGA than the DVI->HDMI adapter- which would give me occasional "not a 3d supported mode" error messages sometimes.
So I can't say for certain that the Sony would 100% work since I haven't tried the combo of that receiver and 3D Vision, but considering how well it works on my Panasonic w/ the Ps3, I don't see why it wouldn't. I'd just take the VGA option if I were you, but if you want to spend the money on the new receiver, the Sony should do the trick- it's designed to support 1280x720@120Hz, and 1080p at 48Hz in 3D
[quote name='Killtacular' post='1089116' date='Jul 16 2010, 02:55 PM']I have a Panasonic VT plasma and had to purchase a Sony STR-DN1010 receiver to get 3D to pass through a receiver properly using a Playstation 3. The Yamaha it replaced wouldn't allow the PS3 to detect, or as a result, display any 3D content. I would think this receiver would do the job for 3D Vision. It's actually not bad for a lower end receiver. I was surprised that it actually sounded a little better than more expensive unit it replaced once I manually set it up, but I'm also powering fairly small speakers with it. Obviously I haven't tried 3D Vision w/ that setup yet since Nvidia's 3D Play software is still M.I.A.[/quote]
Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.
[quote name='Killtacular' post='1089116' date='Jul 16 2010, 02:55 PM']I have a Panasonic VT plasma and had to purchase a Sony STR-DN1010 receiver to get 3D to pass through a receiver properly using a Playstation 3. The Yamaha it replaced wouldn't allow the PS3 to detect, or as a result, display any 3D content. I would think this receiver would do the job for 3D Vision. It's actually not bad for a lower end receiver. I was surprised that it actually sounded a little better than more expensive unit it replaced once I manually set it up, but I'm also powering fairly small speakers with it. Obviously I haven't tried 3D Vision w/ that setup yet since Nvidia's 3D Play software is still M.I.A.
Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.
[quote name='onlinespending' post='1089276' date='Jul 17 2010, 01:53 AM']Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.[/quote]
Hey no problem. I hope it works out for you, but I also hope I didn't sway you towards something that might not come through (do they have a return policy? :unsure: hah ). I'm not going to pretend to know the nuts & bolts of the format standards, but so far so good for me in my setup. I did also check out the TriDef software through the receiver, and while they didn't support 720p for the format my TV uses , the receiver did pass the 120Hz signal the software could provide (in 3D) just fine. Could be a good sign?
[quote name='onlinespending' post='1089276' date='Jul 17 2010, 01:53 AM']Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.
Hey no problem. I hope it works out for you, but I also hope I didn't sway you towards something that might not come through (do they have a return policy? :unsure: hah ). I'm not going to pretend to know the nuts & bolts of the format standards, but so far so good for me in my setup. I did also check out the TriDef software through the receiver, and while they didn't support 720p for the format my TV uses , the receiver did pass the 120Hz signal the software could provide (in 3D) just fine. Could be a good sign?
[quote name='onlinespending' post='1089276' date='Jul 17 2010, 01:53 AM']Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.[/quote]
Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.
[quote name='onlinespending' post='1089276' date='Jul 17 2010, 01:53 AM']Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.
Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.
[quote name='Killtacular' post='1089286' date='Jul 17 2010, 02:20 AM']Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.[/quote]
I have a Gefen DVI Plus to fix this very problem. It works wonders, so I can output one single signal from my Quad SLI Geforce GTX 295's >> Gefen DVI Plus >> Auzentech x-fi hometheater sound card >> Sony HD Receiver >> Mitsubishi 3D Ready DLP.
Otherwise you have to send two different HDMI signals and extended desktop display, which is a huge pain if you only actually have one single display.
[quote name='Killtacular' post='1089286' date='Jul 17 2010, 02:20 AM']Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.
I have a Gefen DVI Plus to fix this very problem. It works wonders, so I can output one single signal from my Quad SLI Geforce GTX 295's >> Gefen DVI Plus >> Auzentech x-fi hometheater sound card >> Sony HD Receiver >> Mitsubishi 3D Ready DLP.
Otherwise you have to send two different HDMI signals and extended desktop display, which is a huge pain if you only actually have one single display.
[quote name='Killtacular' post='1089286' date='Jul 17 2010, 12:20 AM']Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.[/quote]
I think I can trick the NVidia card by using a hacked .inf file for the monitor. Considering how common it is nowadays for people to use AVRs as HDMI switches, even with computers, NVidia should allow a way to specify the actual monitor on the other side of the AVR.
[quote name='Killtacular' post='1089286' date='Jul 17 2010, 12:20 AM']Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.
I think I can trick the NVidia card by using a hacked .inf file for the monitor. Considering how common it is nowadays for people to use AVRs as HDMI switches, even with computers, NVidia should allow a way to specify the actual monitor on the other side of the AVR.
I have the same projector and use the Harmon Kardon AVR 3600 with HDMI bypass enabled. The computer recognizes the projector properly and kicks it into 120Hz mode when needed. Sometimes the screen goes black or has a snowy appearance after the switch to 120, but thats easily fixed by scrolling through the "source" button on the projectors remote.
I have the same projector and use the Harmon Kardon AVR 3600 with HDMI bypass enabled. The computer recognizes the projector properly and kicks it into 120Hz mode when needed. Sometimes the screen goes black or has a snowy appearance after the switch to 120, but thats easily fixed by scrolling through the "source" button on the projectors remote.
If you want to use the Gen HDMI Detective Plus - how do you split the HDMI signal in two since it has only one output? Do you use a HDMI splitter after?
I would like to send my HDMI signal directly to my H5360 and to my Xonar card at the same time
If you want to use the Gen HDMI Detective Plus - how do you split the HDMI signal in two since it has only one output? Do you use a HDMI splitter after?
I would like to send my HDMI signal directly to my H5360 and to my Xonar card at the same time
My A/V receiver setup kinda works.....kinda doesn't
I've got a Samsung DLP, Yamaha 7.1 HD audio receiver, Xonar HDAV audio card, and the GTX470. DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to Yamaha receiver, then out to TV. The kinda works thing is because the desktop and movies play back works great, 1080p and HD bluray audio. But 3D rarely works right. Most of the time when I start up a game the video/audio flashes on and off, off for 3 sec, on for 1, off for 3 on for 1 and ect. Like the TV can't "lock on" to the signal or something. Sometimes it I can let is flash for a bit and it will eventually "lock", most of the times I get the video/audio to stay on by turning the receiver off and on again till it works. The weird thing is some games cause this flashing issue more than others when I boot them up, Just Cause 2/Bad Company 2 never cause an issue, but most of the other games I play have the flashing issue.
When I bypass the receiver I never have this issue (DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to HDMI in on TV, then I switch over and use an onboard optical out and run that to the receiver for sound). Rather than playing the turn on and off game, most of the time when I boot up a 3D game now I just bypass the receiver like a described above.
Anybody have any ideas what is causing this? Bandwidth?
My A/V receiver setup kinda works.....kinda doesn't
I've got a Samsung DLP, Yamaha 7.1 HD audio receiver, Xonar HDAV audio card, and the GTX470. DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to Yamaha receiver, then out to TV. The kinda works thing is because the desktop and movies play back works great, 1080p and HD bluray audio. But 3D rarely works right. Most of the time when I start up a game the video/audio flashes on and off, off for 3 sec, on for 1, off for 3 on for 1 and ect. Like the TV can't "lock on" to the signal or something. Sometimes it I can let is flash for a bit and it will eventually "lock", most of the times I get the video/audio to stay on by turning the receiver off and on again till it works. The weird thing is some games cause this flashing issue more than others when I boot them up, Just Cause 2/Bad Company 2 never cause an issue, but most of the other games I play have the flashing issue.
When I bypass the receiver I never have this issue (DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to HDMI in on TV, then I switch over and use an onboard optical out and run that to the receiver for sound). Rather than playing the turn on and off game, most of the time when I boot up a 3D game now I just bypass the receiver like a described above.
Anybody have any ideas what is causing this? Bandwidth?
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?
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That would seem to be the case because the circuitry can't handle 120Hz. Because the physical wire certainly can. Rather simply sending the signal as-is, the receiver or switch would actually have to somehow reject a 120Hz signal. If it were simple dumb switch which simply physically connected the input wires to the output wires, then it should work. I'm wondering if a simple splitter would suffice.
That would seem to be the case because the circuitry can't handle 120Hz. Because the physical wire certainly can. Rather simply sending the signal as-is, the receiver or switch would actually have to somehow reject a 120Hz signal. If it were simple dumb switch which simply physically connected the input wires to the output wires, then it should work. I'm wondering if a simple splitter would suffice.
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My 3D Vision Games List Ratings
Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
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I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?[/quote]
I have a Panasonic VT plasma and had to purchase a Sony STR-DN1010 receiver to get 3D to pass through a receiver properly using a Playstation 3. The Yamaha it replaced wouldn't allow the PS3 to detect, or as a result, display any 3D content. I would think this receiver would do the job for 3D Vision. It's actually not bad for a lower end receiver. I was surprised that it actually sounded a little better than more expensive unit it replaced once I manually set it up, but I'm also powering fairly small speakers with it. Obviously I haven't tried 3D Vision w/ that setup yet since Nvidia's 3D Play software is still M.I.A.
But, I also own an Acer 5360 in a setup with an Onkyo receiver too (TX-SR805) and had no luck with that passing a signal in 3D either (from a PC with 3d Vision, DVI->HDMI). I actually just used the VGA port directly to the projector and and optical out from my soundcard to the receiver. This allows me to have the regular receiver's HDMI connection still running in and the VGA for the PC when needed. Much less trouble as well, using VGA than the DVI->HDMI adapter- which would give me occasional "not a 3d supported mode" error messages sometimes.
So I can't say for certain that the Sony would 100% work since I haven't tried the combo of that receiver and 3D Vision, but considering how well it works on my Panasonic w/ the Ps3, I don't see why it wouldn't. I'd just take the VGA option if I were you, but if you want to spend the money on the new receiver, the Sony should do the trick- it's designed to support 1280x720@120Hz, and 1080p at 48Hz in 3D
I would assume that as long as the receiver is not touching the HDMI signal, it should work OK if it acts as a simple switch. And since the TX-SR705 supports HDMI 1.3a the bandwidth should be high enough so that it doesn't somehow attenuate the signal. I'm at a loss. Perhaps a cheap HDMI switch will do the trick if it supports high bandwidth HDMI. Can anyone speak to an A/V Receiver or switch that works well for them?
I have a Panasonic VT plasma and had to purchase a Sony STR-DN1010 receiver to get 3D to pass through a receiver properly using a Playstation 3. The Yamaha it replaced wouldn't allow the PS3 to detect, or as a result, display any 3D content. I would think this receiver would do the job for 3D Vision. It's actually not bad for a lower end receiver. I was surprised that it actually sounded a little better than more expensive unit it replaced once I manually set it up, but I'm also powering fairly small speakers with it. Obviously I haven't tried 3D Vision w/ that setup yet since Nvidia's 3D Play software is still M.I.A.
But, I also own an Acer 5360 in a setup with an Onkyo receiver too (TX-SR805) and had no luck with that passing a signal in 3D either (from a PC with 3d Vision, DVI->HDMI). I actually just used the VGA port directly to the projector and and optical out from my soundcard to the receiver. This allows me to have the regular receiver's HDMI connection still running in and the VGA for the PC when needed. Much less trouble as well, using VGA than the DVI->HDMI adapter- which would give me occasional "not a 3d supported mode" error messages sometimes.
So I can't say for certain that the Sony would 100% work since I haven't tried the combo of that receiver and 3D Vision, but considering how well it works on my Panasonic w/ the Ps3, I don't see why it wouldn't. I'd just take the VGA option if I were you, but if you want to spend the money on the new receiver, the Sony should do the trick- it's designed to support 1280x720@120Hz, and 1080p at 48Hz in 3D
Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.
Killacular, that was a very informative post. Thank you. Considering I am connected to a projector mounted on the ceiling, using a long VGA cable is pretty much out of the question. Using a single HDMI cable is the only practical option for me. Perhaps it was an impulse buy, but I just purchased the Sony STR-DN1010. I did some quick research among other "3D Pass Through" capable receivers, and the Sony is the most appealing to me. I was able to find it for less than $300 shipped so I'm pretty pleased all and all. I'm sure I can sell my Onkyo for a bit to recoup some of that cost. Thanks again. I'll let you know how it works out.
Hey no problem. I hope it works out for you, but I also hope I didn't sway you towards something that might not come through (do they have a return policy? :unsure: hah ). I'm not going to pretend to know the nuts & bolts of the format standards, but so far so good for me in my setup. I did also check out the TriDef software through the receiver, and while they didn't support 720p for the format my TV uses , the receiver did pass the 120Hz signal the software could provide (in 3D) just fine. Could be a good sign?
Hey no problem. I hope it works out for you, but I also hope I didn't sway you towards something that might not come through (do they have a return policy? :unsure: hah ). I'm not going to pretend to know the nuts & bolts of the format standards, but so far so good for me in my setup. I did also check out the TriDef software through the receiver, and while they didn't support 720p for the format my TV uses , the receiver did pass the 120Hz signal the software could provide (in 3D) just fine. Could be a good sign?
Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.
Crap- you know what we're forgetting? 120Hz should work, but, will Nvidia's drivers allow the 3D to kick in if it doesn't recognize the receiver as one of it's "licensed" displays? Maybe Monoprice's $50 EDID cloner, or the more expensive Gefen can help? I honestly don't know, but I did want to mention.
I have a Gefen DVI Plus to fix this very problem. It works wonders, so I can output one single signal from my Quad SLI Geforce GTX 295's >> Gefen DVI Plus >> Auzentech x-fi hometheater sound card >> Sony HD Receiver >> Mitsubishi 3D Ready DLP.
Otherwise you have to send two different HDMI signals and extended desktop display, which is a huge pain if you only actually have one single display.
I have a Gefen DVI Plus to fix this very problem. It works wonders, so I can output one single signal from my Quad SLI Geforce GTX 295's >> Gefen DVI Plus >> Auzentech x-fi hometheater sound card >> Sony HD Receiver >> Mitsubishi 3D Ready DLP.
Otherwise you have to send two different HDMI signals and extended desktop display, which is a huge pain if you only actually have one single display.
I think I can trick the NVidia card by using a hacked .inf file for the monitor. Considering how common it is nowadays for people to use AVRs as HDMI switches, even with computers, NVidia should allow a way to specify the actual monitor on the other side of the AVR.
I think I can trick the NVidia card by using a hacked .inf file for the monitor. Considering how common it is nowadays for people to use AVRs as HDMI switches, even with computers, NVidia should allow a way to specify the actual monitor on the other side of the AVR.
I would like to send my HDMI signal directly to my H5360 and to my Xonar card at the same time
Can it be done? ... reliably?
I would like to send my HDMI signal directly to my H5360 and to my Xonar card at the same time
Can it be done? ... reliably?
I've got a Samsung DLP, Yamaha 7.1 HD audio receiver, Xonar HDAV audio card, and the GTX470. DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to Yamaha receiver, then out to TV. The kinda works thing is because the desktop and movies play back works great, 1080p and HD bluray audio. But 3D rarely works right. Most of the time when I start up a game the video/audio flashes on and off, off for 3 sec, on for 1, off for 3 on for 1 and ect. Like the TV can't "lock on" to the signal or something. Sometimes it I can let is flash for a bit and it will eventually "lock", most of the times I get the video/audio to stay on by turning the receiver off and on again till it works. The weird thing is some games cause this flashing issue more than others when I boot them up, Just Cause 2/Bad Company 2 never cause an issue, but most of the other games I play have the flashing issue.
When I bypass the receiver I never have this issue (DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to HDMI in on TV, then I switch over and use an onboard optical out and run that to the receiver for sound). Rather than playing the turn on and off game, most of the time when I boot up a 3D game now I just bypass the receiver like a described above.
Anybody have any ideas what is causing this? Bandwidth?
I've got a Samsung DLP, Yamaha 7.1 HD audio receiver, Xonar HDAV audio card, and the GTX470. DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to Yamaha receiver, then out to TV. The kinda works thing is because the desktop and movies play back works great, 1080p and HD bluray audio. But 3D rarely works right. Most of the time when I start up a game the video/audio flashes on and off, off for 3 sec, on for 1, off for 3 on for 1 and ect. Like the TV can't "lock on" to the signal or something. Sometimes it I can let is flash for a bit and it will eventually "lock", most of the times I get the video/audio to stay on by turning the receiver off and on again till it works. The weird thing is some games cause this flashing issue more than others when I boot them up, Just Cause 2/Bad Company 2 never cause an issue, but most of the other games I play have the flashing issue.
When I bypass the receiver I never have this issue (DVI out of video card, to audio card hdmi in, hdmi out of audio card to HDMI in on TV, then I switch over and use an onboard optical out and run that to the receiver for sound). Rather than playing the turn on and off game, most of the time when I boot up a 3D game now I just bypass the receiver like a described above.
Anybody have any ideas what is causing this? Bandwidth?