I currently have a GTX 280, which plays everything fine in normal vision but struggles in 3D vision - so i clearly need an upgrade. (the card was just a stop gap while building my system anyway)
I am wondering which will provide the best performance, an extra 280 in SLI or to replace the 280 and get a 470.
Both will cost a similar ammount.
There is also another factor, which is that I want to play bluray 3D and i beleive that only the 470 supports hardware decoding - so this is a factor, basically unless the SLI 280 is a clear winner I will probably opt for the 470.
Also. the (stock) 280 I have is absolutely silent, and only ever seems to increase fan speeds during artificial tests or extremely heavy gameplay. Can anyone comment on the stock 470 while idling or under mild conditions?
The reason I ask, is the PC is primarily a HTPC. it is currently silent and I know I can add another 280 and that wont change - i want to make sure adding a 470 wont ruin it all.
Also, I have not yet got my setup to include true 3D vision, I have just tested with discover. I bought a 10m high speed HDMI cable which should run 120hz fine, however, there is no HDMI output on my 280 so I need to convert the DVI to HDMI - does anyone have any experience with this? I dont want to create a weak link in the chain and prevent 3D from working.
I currently have a GTX 280, which plays everything fine in normal vision but struggles in 3D vision - so i clearly need an upgrade. (the card was just a stop gap while building my system anyway)
I am wondering which will provide the best performance, an extra 280 in SLI or to replace the 280 and get a 470.
Both will cost a similar ammount.
There is also another factor, which is that I want to play bluray 3D and i beleive that only the 470 supports hardware decoding - so this is a factor, basically unless the SLI 280 is a clear winner I will probably opt for the 470.
Also. the (stock) 280 I have is absolutely silent, and only ever seems to increase fan speeds during artificial tests or extremely heavy gameplay. Can anyone comment on the stock 470 while idling or under mild conditions?
The reason I ask, is the PC is primarily a HTPC. it is currently silent and I know I can add another 280 and that wont change - i want to make sure adding a 470 wont ruin it all.
Also, I have not yet got my setup to include true 3D vision, I have just tested with discover. I bought a 10m high speed HDMI cable which should run 120hz fine, however, there is no HDMI output on my 280 so I need to convert the DVI to HDMI - does anyone have any experience with this? I dont want to create a weak link in the chain and prevent 3D from working.
short answer from me^^
i have the Zotac GTX 470 AMP! with two fans. runs very well, for me very silent and it has mini-HDMI (inkl. plug from mini-HDMI to HDMI)
i'm happy with this one.
as i heard, the stock gtx 470 is like a boeing taking off^^
You can't put an 240 and 280 in SLI !
Both cards need to be the same,you can make it a physics card.
280 is almost as fast as a 470 but it doesn't have dx11.
(deleted) I see you have already 1x 280)
Only buy the 470 if you want dx11 imo.
2x 280 is faster then a 470 ,not 100% sure because I never tried 280 in sli but my single 285 1GB overclocked was faster then the 470.
[quote name='Ferry' post='1093691' date='Jul 26 2010, 11:30 AM']You can't put an 240 and 280 in SLI !
Both cards need to be the same,you can make it a physics card.
280 is almost as fast as a 470 but it doesn't have dx11.
(deleted) I see you have already 1x 280)
Only buy the 470 if you want dx11 imo.
2x 280 is faster then a 470 ,not 100% sure because I never tried 280 in sli but my single 285 1GB overclocked was faster then the 470.[/quote]
Thanks.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.[/quote]
You will defo need to upgrade your CPU to a multicore, ideally 4 other wise you will suffer from CPU bottle neck, which i would be very suprised if you were'nt getting that now with your current card & CPU.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
You will defo need to upgrade your CPU to a multicore, ideally 4 other wise you will suffer from CPU bottle neck, which i would be very suprised if you were'nt getting that now with your current card & CPU.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.[/quote]
Ferry is right, I moved from a 285 to 470 and the gain is hardly noticeable the higher the resolutions are. And with your rig, I'd say keep the 280 and get a better platform first.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
Ferry is right, I moved from a 285 to 470 and the gain is hardly noticeable the higher the resolutions are. And with your rig, I'd say keep the 280 and get a better platform first.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.
[quote name='quadrophoeniX' post='1093717' date='Jul 26 2010, 12:28 PM']Ferry is right, I moved from a 285 to 470 and the gain is hardly noticeable the higher the resolutions are. And with your rig, I'd say keep the 280 and get a better platform first.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.[/quote]
Thanks.
Its been a long time since i built a PC so im a little left behind regarding tech.
[b]Can you SLI with an AMD board? or is this a no go?[/b]
All previous PCs i built prior to this last one a few years back were AMD, so im not loyal to any particular brand. I suspect, that I will opt for the cheaper AMD quad processor - but only if theres an option for SLI.
As I upgrade the mobo and processor the need for a hardware 3D bluray card diminishes. but, I would ultimately prefer it if there was hardware support from the GPU.
I like the idea of 2 460's - they are relatively cheap and support hardware decoding.
[quote name='quadrophoeniX' post='1093717' date='Jul 26 2010, 12:28 PM']Ferry is right, I moved from a 285 to 470 and the gain is hardly noticeable the higher the resolutions are. And with your rig, I'd say keep the 280 and get a better platform first.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.
Thanks.
Its been a long time since i built a PC so im a little left behind regarding tech.
Can you SLI with an AMD board? or is this a no go?
All previous PCs i built prior to this last one a few years back were AMD, so im not loyal to any particular brand. I suspect, that I will opt for the cheaper AMD quad processor - but only if theres an option for SLI.
As I upgrade the mobo and processor the need for a hardware 3D bluray card diminishes. but, I would ultimately prefer it if there was hardware support from the GPU.
I like the idea of 2 460's - they are relatively cheap and support hardware decoding.
[quote name='Cragproductions' post='1093736' date='Jul 26 2010, 01:56 PM'][b]Can you SLI with an AMD board? or is this a no go?[/b][/quote]
Yes - and No - There are some (2) options to do SLI on AMD socket platforms.
Neither of which is recommendable, though since one is based on the obsolete nforce chipset and the other one is the Lucid Hydra chipset, only implemented by MSI A.F.A.I.K. and plaqued by driver issues.
As I said, I would strongly consider forth and back. If SLI is a must (e.g. 3Dvision surround), batter take the Intel route.
But still, remenber, SLI needs proper driver suppport suffers micro-stutter etc. and limited PCIe performanbce on the Intel chipset as mentioned which even more cuts in on a SLI rig. (if you are concerned about USB3 /SATA performance, that is). So if SLI, get the ASUS top line...
Considerably less money will buy you a top-notch AMD CPU with apropriate motherboard, conveniently oc-able, good SATA/USB3 performance plus a GTX 480 on top .... the choice is yours...
[quote name='Cragproductions' post='1093736' date='Jul 26 2010, 01:56 PM']Can you SLI with an AMD board? or is this a no go?
Yes - and No - There are some (2) options to do SLI on AMD socket platforms.
Neither of which is recommendable, though since one is based on the obsolete nforce chipset and the other one is the Lucid Hydra chipset, only implemented by MSI A.F.A.I.K. and plaqued by driver issues.
As I said, I would strongly consider forth and back. If SLI is a must (e.g. 3Dvision surround), batter take the Intel route.
But still, remenber, SLI needs proper driver suppport suffers micro-stutter etc. and limited PCIe performanbce on the Intel chipset as mentioned which even more cuts in on a SLI rig. (if you are concerned about USB3 /SATA performance, that is). So if SLI, get the ASUS top line...
Considerably less money will buy you a top-notch AMD CPU with apropriate motherboard, conveniently oc-able, good SATA/USB3 performance plus a GTX 480 on top .... the choice is yours...
I am wondering which will provide the best performance, an extra 280 in SLI or to replace the 280 and get a 470.
Both will cost a similar ammount.
There is also another factor, which is that I want to play bluray 3D and i beleive that only the 470 supports hardware decoding - so this is a factor, basically unless the SLI 280 is a clear winner I will probably opt for the 470.
Also. the (stock) 280 I have is absolutely silent, and only ever seems to increase fan speeds during artificial tests or extremely heavy gameplay. Can anyone comment on the stock 470 while idling or under mild conditions?
The reason I ask, is the PC is primarily a HTPC. it is currently silent and I know I can add another 280 and that wont change - i want to make sure adding a 470 wont ruin it all.
Also, I have not yet got my setup to include true 3D vision, I have just tested with discover. I bought a 10m high speed HDMI cable which should run 120hz fine, however, there is no HDMI output on my 280 so I need to convert the DVI to HDMI - does anyone have any experience with this? I dont want to create a weak link in the chain and prevent 3D from working.
many thanks for your answers.
I am wondering which will provide the best performance, an extra 280 in SLI or to replace the 280 and get a 470.
Both will cost a similar ammount.
There is also another factor, which is that I want to play bluray 3D and i beleive that only the 470 supports hardware decoding - so this is a factor, basically unless the SLI 280 is a clear winner I will probably opt for the 470.
Also. the (stock) 280 I have is absolutely silent, and only ever seems to increase fan speeds during artificial tests or extremely heavy gameplay. Can anyone comment on the stock 470 while idling or under mild conditions?
The reason I ask, is the PC is primarily a HTPC. it is currently silent and I know I can add another 280 and that wont change - i want to make sure adding a 470 wont ruin it all.
Also, I have not yet got my setup to include true 3D vision, I have just tested with discover. I bought a 10m high speed HDMI cable which should run 120hz fine, however, there is no HDMI output on my 280 so I need to convert the DVI to HDMI - does anyone have any experience with this? I dont want to create a weak link in the chain and prevent 3D from working.
many thanks for your answers.
i have the Zotac GTX 470 AMP! with two fans. runs very well, for me very silent and it has mini-HDMI (inkl. plug from mini-HDMI to HDMI)
i'm happy with this one.
as i heard, the stock gtx 470 is like a boeing taking off^^
i have the Zotac GTX 470 AMP! with two fans. runs very well, for me very silent and it has mini-HDMI (inkl. plug from mini-HDMI to HDMI)
i'm happy with this one.
as i heard, the stock gtx 470 is like a boeing taking off^^
Both cards need to be the same,you can make it a physics card.
280 is almost as fast as a 470 but it doesn't have dx11.
(deleted) I see you have already 1x 280)
Only buy the 470 if you want dx11 imo.
2x 280 is faster then a 470 ,not 100% sure because I never tried 280 in sli but my single 285 1GB overclocked was faster then the 470.
Both cards need to be the same,you can make it a physics card.
280 is almost as fast as a 470 but it doesn't have dx11.
(deleted) I see you have already 1x 280)
Only buy the 470 if you want dx11 imo.
2x 280 is faster then a 470 ,not 100% sure because I never tried 280 in sli but my single 285 1GB overclocked was faster then the 470.
Intel I7 3820 3.8 Ghz,MSI MS7760 Motherboard, 6GB )2x MSI GTX670 (SLI),OCZ Vertex 230Gb SSD,OCZ Agility 120Gb SSD, Asus 3D VG278HR ,Optoma HD67 3D DLP Beamer with 95inch 2.5 gain screen.
Both cards need to be the same,you can make it a physics card.
280 is almost as fast as a 470 but it doesn't have dx11.
(deleted) I see you have already 1x 280)
Only buy the 470 if you want dx11 imo.
2x 280 is faster then a 470 ,not 100% sure because I never tried 280 in sli but my single 285 1GB overclocked was faster then the 470.[/quote]
Thanks.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
Both cards need to be the same,you can make it a physics card.
280 is almost as fast as a 470 but it doesn't have dx11.
(deleted) I see you have already 1x 280)
Only buy the 470 if you want dx11 imo.
2x 280 is faster then a 470 ,not 100% sure because I never tried 280 in sli but my single 285 1GB overclocked was faster then the 470.
Thanks.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.[/quote]
You will defo need to upgrade your CPU to a multicore, ideally 4 other wise you will suffer from CPU bottle neck, which i would be very suprised if you were'nt getting that now with your current card & CPU.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
You will defo need to upgrade your CPU to a multicore, ideally 4 other wise you will suffer from CPU bottle neck, which i would be very suprised if you were'nt getting that now with your current card & CPU.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.[/quote]
Ferry is right, I moved from a 285 to 470 and the gain is hardly noticeable the higher the resolutions are. And with your rig, I'd say keep the 280 and get a better platform first.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.
Also, my mobo and processor is currently way outdated. (pentium 4, 3ghz) would upgrading that to a quad have a significant impact on framerates?
This is quite awkward. there really doesnt seem to be a huge jump as I expected for the price.
Ferry is right, I moved from a 285 to 470 and the gain is hardly noticeable the higher the resolutions are. And with your rig, I'd say keep the 280 and get a better platform first.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.[/quote]
Thanks.
Its been a long time since i built a PC so im a little left behind regarding tech.
[b]Can you SLI with an AMD board? or is this a no go?[/b]
All previous PCs i built prior to this last one a few years back were AMD, so im not loyal to any particular brand. I suspect, that I will opt for the cheaper AMD quad processor - but only if theres an option for SLI.
As I upgrade the mobo and processor the need for a hardware 3D bluray card diminishes. but, I would ultimately prefer it if there was hardware support from the GPU.
I like the idea of 2 460's - they are relatively cheap and support hardware decoding.
Thanks for the info.
If you consider upgrading your hardware anyway as you seem to plan, I personally would think twice about SLI. It's availble only on the pricey Intel chip mobos which suck at USB3 performance unless paired with an extra chip (e.g. premium ASUS boards).
I mean there is nothing wrong with the i series from Intel and I do not want to start a fanboy war here, but if I was in the market for a new system today I would definately get an AMD quad or six BE system. It will buy you CPU + mobo for the price of an Intel CPU, not mentioning the expensive Intel mobo. But that's just me.
If you want to take the Intel and SLI route , however, a pair of 2 460 in SLI gives you much better (and quiter) performance plus DX11 than a single 470 at a very small premium.
Thanks.
Its been a long time since i built a PC so im a little left behind regarding tech.
Can you SLI with an AMD board? or is this a no go?
All previous PCs i built prior to this last one a few years back were AMD, so im not loyal to any particular brand. I suspect, that I will opt for the cheaper AMD quad processor - but only if theres an option for SLI.
As I upgrade the mobo and processor the need for a hardware 3D bluray card diminishes. but, I would ultimately prefer it if there was hardware support from the GPU.
I like the idea of 2 460's - they are relatively cheap and support hardware decoding.
Thanks for the info.
Yes - and No - There are some (2) options to do SLI on AMD socket platforms.
Neither of which is recommendable, though since one is based on the obsolete nforce chipset and the other one is the Lucid Hydra chipset, only implemented by MSI A.F.A.I.K. and plaqued by driver issues.
As I said, I would strongly consider forth and back. If SLI is a must (e.g. 3Dvision surround), batter take the Intel route.
But still, remenber, SLI needs proper driver suppport suffers micro-stutter etc. and limited PCIe performanbce on the Intel chipset as mentioned which even more cuts in on a SLI rig. (if you are concerned about USB3 /SATA performance, that is). So if SLI, get the ASUS top line...
Considerably less money will buy you a top-notch AMD CPU with apropriate motherboard, conveniently oc-able, good SATA/USB3 performance plus a GTX 480 on top .... the choice is yours...
Yes - and No - There are some (2) options to do SLI on AMD socket platforms.
Neither of which is recommendable, though since one is based on the obsolete nforce chipset and the other one is the Lucid Hydra chipset, only implemented by MSI A.F.A.I.K. and plaqued by driver issues.
As I said, I would strongly consider forth and back. If SLI is a must (e.g. 3Dvision surround), batter take the Intel route.
But still, remenber, SLI needs proper driver suppport suffers micro-stutter etc. and limited PCIe performanbce on the Intel chipset as mentioned which even more cuts in on a SLI rig. (if you are concerned about USB3 /SATA performance, that is). So if SLI, get the ASUS top line...
Considerably less money will buy you a top-notch AMD CPU with apropriate motherboard, conveniently oc-able, good SATA/USB3 performance plus a GTX 480 on top .... the choice is yours...