3D Vision users i need your feedback.
Hi. Can you please turn on a game with 3d effect on, put your glasses on, look to the side and move your hand in front of your glasses. Now turn 3d vision off and wave your hand again. Do you see a difference? Do you see kind of micro stuttering effect on your hand with 3d vision on? Can you exactly tell the difference between glasses on and off? Thanks
Hi.
Can you please turn on a game with 3d effect on, put your glasses on, look to the side and move your hand in front of your glasses. Now turn 3d vision off and wave your hand again. Do you see a difference? Do you see kind of micro stuttering effect on your hand with 3d vision on? Can you exactly tell the difference between glasses on and off?
Thanks

#1
Posted 02/08/2013 12:12 AM   
Natural effect of blocking out your eyes momentarily, its like making your eyes see in frames.
Natural effect of blocking out your eyes momentarily, its like making your eyes see in frames.

#2
Posted 02/08/2013 12:38 AM   
OK, only one reply so I assume that you all agree with a statement that it is something normal. If that so then why are you so ecstatic about 3d when this effect is Sooooo annoying when you playing games. Especially fpp. For me it's a deal breaker.
OK, only one reply so I assume that you all agree with a statement that it is something normal. If that so then why are you so ecstatic about 3d when this effect is Sooooo annoying when you playing games. Especially fpp. For me it's a deal breaker.

#3
Posted 02/10/2013 06:48 AM   
What exactly do you think active shutter glasses are? Why would you expect to see anything other than a stuttering effect on your hand? The shuttering operation of the glasses are sync to the displays frames, not your hand! Do you have fresh paint on the walls or something?
What exactly do you think active shutter glasses are?

Why would you expect to see anything other than a stuttering effect on your hand?

The shuttering operation of the glasses are sync to the displays frames, not your hand!

Do you have fresh paint on the walls or something?

#4
Posted 02/10/2013 07:33 AM   
So you see no stutter in the games at all?
So you see no stutter in the games at all?

#5
Posted 02/10/2013 08:23 AM   
Not sure we are all talking about the same thing. Waving your hand while wearing the glasses gives you a stroboscopic effect, because each eye is getting 60 FPS. That is stroboscopic. The glasses are dark part of the time, blocking out all light. In the game itself, they are alternating, so that when one eye is dark, the other is seeing the full screen. Thus, you don't get a strobe effect there. While playing games, I don't ever see strobe effects. However, there is a setting during the Setup Wizard that allows you to change the frequency if you are seeing flicker out of the corner of your eye, especially with other lights that may be running at 60Hz too. You might try that, if it seems like 'flicker', instead of 'strobe', or maybe 'stutter.' Not sure what you mean by stutter in games. Nothing I see would I describe as stutter.
Not sure we are all talking about the same thing.

Waving your hand while wearing the glasses gives you a stroboscopic effect, because each eye is getting 60 FPS. That is stroboscopic. The glasses are dark part of the time, blocking out all light.

In the game itself, they are alternating, so that when one eye is dark, the other is seeing the full screen. Thus, you don't get a strobe effect there.

While playing games, I don't ever see strobe effects. However, there is a setting during the Setup Wizard that allows you to change the frequency if you are seeing flicker out of the corner of your eye, especially with other lights that may be running at 60Hz too. You might try that, if it seems like 'flicker', instead of 'strobe', or maybe 'stutter.'

Not sure what you mean by stutter in games. Nothing I see would I describe as stutter.

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#6
Posted 02/10/2013 09:03 AM   
No I do not have a problem stuttering problem, I game using a 120Hz input. Some people are more sensitive to the cycling of shutter glasses. What display are you using? What resolution and refresh are you using? Is there a particular game that is causing the problem? What GPU are you using? What drivers? There are some known problems with anti-aliasing causing stuttering in games, dep[ending on the settings. First you talk about the glasses, now you say it's in the game? Elaborate and provide as many details as possible, I'm sure it's something that a community member can get straightened out for you. You are correct that we would not be so ecstatic about 3d if there is some effect that is Sooooo annoying. My 3D experience is more along the lines of buttery smooth
No I do not have a problem stuttering problem, I game using a 120Hz input.

Some people are more sensitive to the cycling of shutter glasses.

What display are you using?

What resolution and refresh are you using?

Is there a particular game that is causing the problem?

What GPU are you using?

What drivers?

There are some known problems with anti-aliasing causing stuttering in games, dep[ending on the settings.

First you talk about the glasses, now you say it's in the game?

Elaborate and provide as many details as possible, I'm sure it's something that a community member can get straightened out for you.

You are correct that we would not be so ecstatic about 3d if there is some effect that is Sooooo annoying.

My 3D experience is more along the lines of buttery smooth

#7
Posted 02/10/2013 09:28 AM   
My screen is Benq 2411T, graphic is GTX 690, cpu 3770k oc to 4.3, drivers are up to date, rez 1920/1080 120hz. I can see 3d effect no problem with ghosting from little to non but stroboscopic effect is on every single game and movie and it is Sooooo annoying.
My screen is Benq 2411T, graphic is GTX 690, cpu 3770k oc to 4.3, drivers are up to date, rez 1920/1080 120hz.
I can see 3d effect no problem with ghosting from little to non but stroboscopic effect is on every single game and movie and it is Sooooo annoying.

#8
Posted 02/10/2013 09:39 AM   
I'd suggest looking thru the sub forums for the GeForce 600 Series and the GeForce Drivers https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/34/geforce-600-series/ https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/geforce-drivers/ There are a lot of posts about stuttering problems with these 6XX series of cards you might try reading thru "VSYNC Causing HUGE stuttering problems 680 [Off-topic Posts Will be Deleted - Vsync Stutter Discussi" https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/516509/geforce-600-series/vsync-causing-huge-stuttering-problems-680-off-topic-posts-will-be-deleted-vsync-stutter-discussi/ BTW, this thread is up to 132 pages so you're on your own reading thru it to see if there's a fix that fits your problem. GL
I'd suggest looking thru the sub forums for the GeForce 600 Series and the GeForce Drivers


https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/34/geforce-600-series/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/geforce-drivers/


There are a lot of posts about stuttering problems with these 6XX series of cards
you might try reading thru "VSYNC Causing HUGE stuttering problems 680 [Off-topic Posts Will be Deleted - Vsync Stutter Discussi"


https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/516509/geforce-600-series/vsync-causing-huge-stuttering-problems-680-off-topic-posts-will-be-deleted-vsync-stutter-discussi/


BTW, this thread is up to 132 pages so you're on your own reading thru it to see if there's a fix that fits your problem.

GL

#9
Posted 02/10/2013 10:23 AM   
Still not sure we are talking about the same thing, because I would not describe stuttering as stroboscopic. But they are related in that they are some lower frequency artifacts. If it is game stuttering, here is some deep analysis of the stuttering problem with SLI setups: [url]http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking[/url] That is a good read. They don't test 690, but they did test 590, which is very similar. If I understand 690 correctly, it still runs as SLI, even though there are two chips on a single card. If that's true, then you'd get the stuttering described in that analysis. Try this: disable SLI on your card, using NVidia Inspector to modify the profile for a given game. Or possibly you can do that directly from NVidia control panel. If you can disable SLI, then try it, let us know what you see.
Still not sure we are talking about the same thing, because I would not describe stuttering as stroboscopic. But they are related in that they are some lower frequency artifacts.

If it is game stuttering, here is some deep analysis of the stuttering problem with SLI setups:

http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking

That is a good read.

They don't test 690, but they did test 590, which is very similar.

If I understand 690 correctly, it still runs as SLI, even though there are two chips on a single card. If that's true, then you'd get the stuttering described in that analysis.


Try this: disable SLI on your card, using NVidia Inspector to modify the profile for a given game. Or possibly you can do that directly from NVidia control panel.

If you can disable SLI, then try it, let us know what you see.

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#10
Posted 02/10/2013 11:35 AM   
Just stumbled across this as well: [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/529245/3d-vision/for-3dvision-often-vsync-must-be-disabled-in-game-settings-and-set-to-on-in-nvcontrol-panel/[/url] Try disabling vSync as an experiment as well.

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#11
Posted 02/10/2013 11:39 AM   
Goodman what you ar experiencing is normal. it is an active shutter glasses (aka gong dark in each eye). if you look outside on a sunny day with the glasses on you will likely experience very serious strobing. it is not very pleasant, but these are 3D glasses, not sunglasses. when you a playing games you should notice 0 strobing at all, as the screen is syncing with the glasses and each eye gets an image at the correct time.
Goodman what you ar experiencing is normal. it is an active shutter glasses (aka gong dark in each eye). if you look outside on a sunny day with the glasses on you will likely experience very serious strobing. it is not very pleasant, but these are 3D glasses, not sunglasses. when you a playing games you should notice 0 strobing at all, as the screen is syncing with the glasses and each eye gets an image at the correct time.

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#12
Posted 02/10/2013 07:20 PM   
Longer i am looking at it the more convinced i am getting that few things adding up to create this effect. I think best description of it is "distortion". When i move camera quickly the image is getting distorted. I think its a little of ghosting effect plus some of strobing of shutter glasses and maybe i am a bit sensitive to it as well. You know when you switch to 120hz (144hz with Benq 2411T) from 60hz of previous screen and you see this smoothness in games with add on of GTX 690 you expecting a bit more i guess. Can you tell me actually, is 3d for you when quickly moving camera as sharp looking as 2d with 120hz?
Longer i am looking at it the more convinced i am getting that few things adding up to create this effect. I think best description of it is "distortion". When i move camera quickly the image is getting distorted. I think its a little of ghosting effect plus some of strobing of shutter glasses and maybe i am a bit sensitive to it as well. You know when you switch to 120hz (144hz with Benq 2411T) from 60hz of previous screen and you see this smoothness in games with add on of GTX 690 you expecting a bit more i guess.
Can you tell me actually, is 3d for you when quickly moving camera as sharp looking as 2d with 120hz?

#13
Posted 02/10/2013 10:29 PM   
I found the solution. Thanks to baragon. I had to turn off v-sync in game and force it on in nvidia control panel. Distortion is gone! Cool. Still its not 120hz smoothness like 2d mode but good old 60hz and v-sync feels clunky but oh well, its 3d clunky now. I have to figure it out how to fix movies now. Thanks all for feedback.
I found the solution. Thanks to baragon. I had to turn off v-sync in game and force it on in nvidia control panel. Distortion is gone! Cool. Still its not 120hz smoothness like 2d mode but good old 60hz and v-sync feels clunky but oh well, its 3d clunky now. I have to figure it out how to fix movies now.
Thanks all for feedback.

#14
Posted 02/10/2013 11:35 PM   
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