Next Step: Parallaxing?
I have yet to experience 3d Stereo, as at the moment it's completely out of my budget, but I'm very eager to see it in action. But a thought occurred to me you could introduce another level or realism to it by tracking the head movement of the player as seen in the wiimote project. If IR emitters are placed on the glasses and then a receiver put into the monitor it should work. It would be even easier to setup than the wiimote cause with that you have to do a bunch of measuring to get all the dimensions. But if it were built into a monitor the drivers would already know those dimensions, so it should just work out of the box. With the wiimote project apps had to be written for it, with it in the drivers...potentially every game could have it.

Stereo+Parallax...me want.
I have yet to experience 3d Stereo, as at the moment it's completely out of my budget, but I'm very eager to see it in action. But a thought occurred to me you could introduce another level or realism to it by tracking the head movement of the player as seen in the wiimote project. If IR emitters are placed on the glasses and then a receiver put into the monitor it should work. It would be even easier to setup than the wiimote cause with that you have to do a bunch of measuring to get all the dimensions. But if it were built into a monitor the drivers would already know those dimensions, so it should just work out of the box. With the wiimote project apps had to be written for it, with it in the drivers...potentially every game could have it.



Stereo+Parallax...me want.

#1
Posted 03/08/2009 08:57 PM   
[quote name='Lehm' post='515468' date='Mar 8 2009, 10:57 PM']I have yet to experience 3d Stereo, as at the moment it's completely out of my budget, but I'm very eager to see it in action. But a thought occurred to me you could introduce another level or realism to it by tracking the head movement of the player as seen in the wiimote project. If IR emitters are placed on the glasses and then a receiver put into the monitor it should work. It would be even easier to setup than the wiimote cause with that you have to do a bunch of measuring to get all the dimensions. But if it were built into a monitor the drivers would already know those dimensions, so it should just work out of the box. With the wiimote project apps had to be written for it, with it in the drivers...potentially every game could have it.

Stereo+Parallax...me want.[/quote]
Hello
Such a product already exists for PC, it's called TrackIR but it requires the game developpers to support it.
It is supported in some racing simulations like GTR, rFactor, and GRID and for FPS i think ArmA supports it.

edit :
found a video that explains it :
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AO0F5sLdVM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AO0F5sLdVM[/url]
[quote name='Lehm' post='515468' date='Mar 8 2009, 10:57 PM']I have yet to experience 3d Stereo, as at the moment it's completely out of my budget, but I'm very eager to see it in action. But a thought occurred to me you could introduce another level or realism to it by tracking the head movement of the player as seen in the wiimote project. If IR emitters are placed on the glasses and then a receiver put into the monitor it should work. It would be even easier to setup than the wiimote cause with that you have to do a bunch of measuring to get all the dimensions. But if it were built into a monitor the drivers would already know those dimensions, so it should just work out of the box. With the wiimote project apps had to be written for it, with it in the drivers...potentially every game could have it.



Stereo+Parallax...me want.

Hello

Such a product already exists for PC, it's called TrackIR but it requires the game developpers to support it.

It is supported in some racing simulations like GTR, rFactor, and GRID and for FPS i think ArmA supports it.



edit :

found a video that explains it :

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#2
Posted 03/08/2009 11:09 PM   
I think peolpe underestimate the improvement this would make.

It's important to note that the head-tracking should not move the player's character,
just the camera's viewpoint. It should be like looking out of the window of your house.
Moving your head doesn't move your house, it just gives you a different angle through
the window. The display should be like that window. This would be a huge improvement.
So I'm saying that you just can't add head-tracking that moves your character around.
That would be different and easier and it might work OK on games where the mouse controls
the camera but not the character. Still I think the geometry would not be exactly right.
The game would need to be programmed specifically for that function.

Maybe someday it will happen but don't hold your breath.
It's a great idea though.
I think peolpe underestimate the improvement this would make.



It's important to note that the head-tracking should not move the player's character,

just the camera's viewpoint. It should be like looking out of the window of your house.

Moving your head doesn't move your house, it just gives you a different angle through

the window. The display should be like that window. This would be a huge improvement.

So I'm saying that you just can't add head-tracking that moves your character around.

That would be different and easier and it might work OK on games where the mouse controls

the camera but not the character. Still I think the geometry would not be exactly right.

The game would need to be programmed specifically for that function.



Maybe someday it will happen but don't hold your breath.

It's a great idea though.

#3
Posted 03/09/2009 01:47 AM   
Oh I misspoke when I said movement of player...meant movement of user. I agree moving your head around wouldn't move the player around...that would require game support. Wherer as changing the perspective could be handled in the drivers.

But I just got to thinking, doesn't the 3d vision system already use an IR receiver to sync the glasses? So maybe my idea is even closer to reality than I first figured. Only thing is the receiver would need to be in the monitor. So that it's a known position and the device would have the built in knowledge of the screen size. Putting the receiver in the monitor would also remove a device and a power cord from your desk. Sounds like a win win to me.
Oh I misspoke when I said movement of player...meant movement of user. I agree moving your head around wouldn't move the player around...that would require game support. Wherer as changing the perspective could be handled in the drivers.



But I just got to thinking, doesn't the 3d vision system already use an IR receiver to sync the glasses? So maybe my idea is even closer to reality than I first figured. Only thing is the receiver would need to be in the monitor. So that it's a known position and the device would have the built in knowledge of the screen size. Putting the receiver in the monitor would also remove a device and a power cord from your desk. Sounds like a win win to me.

#4
Posted 03/09/2009 02:09 AM   
You would need a head mounted display for that to work properly. If i look to the left, my eyes have to look hard right to see whats on the left.

Whats wrong with the mouse? It's leaps beyond an analog stick.
You would need a head mounted display for that to work properly. If i look to the left, my eyes have to look hard right to see whats on the left.



Whats wrong with the mouse? It's leaps beyond an analog stick.

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#5
Posted 03/09/2009 02:09 AM   
[quote name='SpyderCanopus' post='515565' date='Mar 8 2009, 06:09 PM']You would need a head mounted display for that to work properly. If i look to the left, my eyes have to look hard right to see whats on the left.

Whats wrong with the mouse? It's leaps beyond an analog stick.[/quote]

this would be for tracking horizontal and vertical motion of the head not rotation. you'd always be looking at the monitor.

Here's a video of the wiimote project I was referring to. This should get you an idea of what I'm talking. Except there's be no need to steal parts from a wii.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw[/url]
[quote name='SpyderCanopus' post='515565' date='Mar 8 2009, 06:09 PM']You would need a head mounted display for that to work properly. If i look to the left, my eyes have to look hard right to see whats on the left.



Whats wrong with the mouse? It's leaps beyond an analog stick.



this would be for tracking horizontal and vertical motion of the head not rotation. you'd always be looking at the monitor.



Here's a video of the wiimote project I was referring to. This should get you an idea of what I'm talking. Except there's be no need to steal parts from a wii.



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#6
Posted 03/09/2009 02:26 AM   
Ohhh. That IS a great idea.

I thought you mean replace the mouse with your head movement.

I have found myself on occasion trying to peak around a corner using 3D Vision. Great idea guys. I see this being a added feature for sure. Easy to implement.
Ohhh. That IS a great idea.



I thought you mean replace the mouse with your head movement.



I have found myself on occasion trying to peak around a corner using 3D Vision. Great idea guys. I see this being a added feature for sure. Easy to implement.

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#7
Posted 03/09/2009 02:47 AM   
track IR can do exactly that.

[url="http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/"]http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/[/url]

Check the website for demo videos.

There is also an free solution which can use a webcam to track your head movement, which is also compatible with trackIR.

[url="http://www.free-track.net/english/"]http://www.free-track.net/english/[/url]
track IR can do exactly that.



http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/



Check the website for demo videos.



There is also an free solution which can use a webcam to track your head movement, which is also compatible with trackIR.



http://www.free-track.net/english/

#8
Posted 03/09/2009 12:22 PM   
Yeah, but as brought up a game as to specifically support it.
Yeah, but as brought up a game as to specifically support it.

#9
Posted 03/09/2009 03:50 PM   
Right, and here's something interesting I've found.

It turns out that SeeReal is a company that makes 3d monitors and some versions have built in head-tracking.
Google seereal monitor price,
and you'll find some sites to see them. One (C-i) tracks your head via camera and the other (C-s) uses IR with a small
metallic spot that you need to wear somewhere. The monitor uses vertical stripe-interlacing and some kind of beam-splitter
technology to show it's 3d without glasses (autostereoscopy). I can't say how good that is without seeing it for myself
which is MIGHTY unlikely since the camera-tracking version is over $13,000 and the other is over $16,000!!! YIKES!!!

There's a non-trackinig version for about $4,500 for you cheapskates /haha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':haha:' />

Later.
Right, and here's something interesting I've found.



It turns out that SeeReal is a company that makes 3d monitors and some versions have built in head-tracking.

Google seereal monitor price,

and you'll find some sites to see them. One (C-i) tracks your head via camera and the other (C-s) uses IR with a small

metallic spot that you need to wear somewhere. The monitor uses vertical stripe-interlacing and some kind of beam-splitter

technology to show it's 3d without glasses (autostereoscopy). I can't say how good that is without seeing it for myself

which is MIGHTY unlikely since the camera-tracking version is over $13,000 and the other is over $16,000!!! YIKES!!!



There's a non-trackinig version for about $4,500 for you cheapskates /haha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':haha:' />



Later.

#10
Posted 03/16/2009 06:42 PM   
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