How can I do PC and PS3 3d?
I have a Mitsu WD-65738 3d dlp tv. I have a PS3 and and htpc (w nvidia 3d video card) attached to it. Is there a single solution (not having to buy 2 separate 3d emitters/glasses) to utilize 3d technology from both systems?
I have a Mitsu WD-65738 3d dlp tv. I have a PS3 and and htpc (w nvidia 3d video card) attached to it. Is there a single solution (not having to buy 2 separate 3d emitters/glasses) to utilize 3d technology from both systems?

#1
Posted 02/18/2011 07:28 PM   
This is untested with a PS3 as I'm not sure of the specifics of how a PS3 outputs 3D, but you could purchase an Avertv CaptureHD card (PCI-Express card). It works with the Sky Digital 3d channel: the CaptureHD works with nvidia 3d-vision and candisplay side by side or top/bottom 3d formats. But then your forking over €100 which probably costs the same amount as another pair of glasses. Personally I like the CaptureHD solution as I can use the Nvidia card to apply sharpening & noise reduction to the video feed.
--Edit--
Did a bit more research on it: it seems the PS3 will auto-detect if your display can do 3d so I'm not sure if it'll work with the CaptureHD card. Would you mind checking this: turn on the ps3, go to Display Settings -> Video Output Settings -> HDMI -> Custom -> and check if there are any options for manually specifying that you can accept 3d content? Thanks!
This is untested with a PS3 as I'm not sure of the specifics of how a PS3 outputs 3D, but you could purchase an Avertv CaptureHD card (PCI-Express card). It works with the Sky Digital 3d channel: the CaptureHD works with nvidia 3d-vision and candisplay side by side or top/bottom 3d formats. But then your forking over €100 which probably costs the same amount as another pair of glasses. Personally I like the CaptureHD solution as I can use the Nvidia card to apply sharpening & noise reduction to the video feed.

--Edit--

Did a bit more research on it: it seems the PS3 will auto-detect if your display can do 3d so I'm not sure if it'll work with the CaptureHD card. Would you mind checking this: turn on the ps3, go to Display Settings -> Video Output Settings -> HDMI -> Custom -> and check if there are any options for manually specifying that you can accept 3d content? Thanks!

#2
Posted 02/18/2011 07:42 PM   
There is no options for selecting 3D tv's with a PS3, like you said it just knows if you have one or not.

When you hook up your 3D Tv to your ps3, you go back into video settings select hdmi and let it re-run the automatic settings. It then says you have a 3D TV what size is it... you select the size and thats it. Nothing else.
There is no options for selecting 3D tv's with a PS3, like you said it just knows if you have one or not.



When you hook up your 3D Tv to your ps3, you go back into video settings select hdmi and let it re-run the automatic settings. It then says you have a 3D TV what size is it... you select the size and thats it. Nothing else.

#3
Posted 02/18/2011 08:25 PM   
The PS3 automatic 3D mode does not output side by side, it only outputs hdmi 1.4 framepacking so the Avermedia card won't work.

This TV has had a firmware update to become hdmi1.4 3D compliant. Check your TV menus to check the TV firmware version. I do not know if you can update the firmware, check with mitsubishi support website if you need it.
You'll have a wide variety of glasses choice :
W[s]ith 3D vision , the glasses work but you need the VESA 3D-sync --> Nvidia emitter cable (included in some 3D vision packaging but not all), when playing the PS3, you'll still need to turn on your PC and open any 3D application to turn the emitter on via the mandatory USB connection.[/s]
EDIT : I noticed your display is not in the 3D-vision supported list, using 3D vision glasses would probably not work, use the other two methods below.

You can also use 3DTV play to drive the display, then you can use :
-DLP-link glasses (any brand and model), no emitter required
or
-an other emitter+glasses kit, as long as the emitter can plug to the standard VESA 3D sync plug at the back of the TV.

Although it should work, it is not recommended to mix different types of glasses.
The PS3 automatic 3D mode does not output side by side, it only outputs hdmi 1.4 framepacking so the Avermedia card won't work.



This TV has had a firmware update to become hdmi1.4 3D compliant. Check your TV menus to check the TV firmware version. I do not know if you can update the firmware, check with mitsubishi support website if you need it.

You'll have a wide variety of glasses choice :

With 3D vision , the glasses work but you need the VESA 3D-sync --> Nvidia emitter cable (included in some 3D vision packaging but not all), when playing the PS3, you'll still need to turn on your PC and open any 3D application to turn the emitter on via the mandatory USB connection.

EDIT : I noticed your display is not in the 3D-vision supported list, using 3D vision glasses would probably not work, use the other two methods below.



You can also use 3DTV play to drive the display, then you can use :

-DLP-link glasses (any brand and model), no emitter required

or

-an other emitter+glasses kit, as long as the emitter can plug to the standard VESA 3D sync plug at the back of the TV.



Although it should work, it is not recommended to mix different types of glasses.

Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter

#4
Posted 02/18/2011 08:41 PM   
[quote name='BlackSharkfr' date='18 February 2011 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1298061694' post='1195596']

With 3D vision , the glasses work but you need the VESA 3D-sync --> Nvidia emitter cable (included in some 3D vision packaging but not all), when playing the PS3, you'll still need to turn on your PC and open any 3D application to turn the emitter on via the mandatory USB connection.

[/quote]

Do I understand correctly... If I get an NVIDIA 3D vision package (emitter and glasses) that has both the usb connection as well as a VESA 3d sync connector I can use it for both the pc and the ps3? If it has both connections would I need to connect them both at the same time? If I have a 3d application open on the PC in order to power the emitter, will that have any effect on the sync between the glasses and the ps3 game?
[quote name='BlackSharkfr' date='18 February 2011 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1298061694' post='1195596']



With 3D vision , the glasses work but you need the VESA 3D-sync --> Nvidia emitter cable (included in some 3D vision packaging but not all), when playing the PS3, you'll still need to turn on your PC and open any 3D application to turn the emitter on via the mandatory USB connection.







Do I understand correctly... If I get an NVIDIA 3D vision package (emitter and glasses) that has both the usb connection as well as a VESA 3d sync connector I can use it for both the pc and the ps3? If it has both connections would I need to connect them both at the same time? If I have a 3d application open on the PC in order to power the emitter, will that have any effect on the sync between the glasses and the ps3 game?

#5
Posted 02/18/2011 10:21 PM   
Whoops, i forgot to double-check your TV's exact number for the nvidia driver.
It seems the nvidia driver now considers your TV as a 3DTV, and not as a 3D-vision ready display (although it would work perfectly). There is a possibility that the 3D vision driver refuses to activate the emitter when noticing the subtle classification difference. (it's not a technical issue, it's a software restriction put in place by Nvidia)

The theory was to use the old Avatar console game hack which the previous model of your TV allowed. (you could play the 1st gen of console 3D games with 3D vision glasses, but not the recent games ; your TV would have allowed the new PS3 3D games too)
When plugging the Vesa cable to the Nvidia emitter, the sync from the VESA cable overrides the sync from the computer application through USB. Yes you would have needed to have them both connected at the same time in order to activate the emitter, but since the sync is controlled by the TV, the trick should have worked.

But because of the possible detection issue, it would probably not work. You could still try it but it's a risky way.
I'd recommend the other ways just to be sure : use either DLP-link glasses or an other brand of emitter + glasses that have a VESA 3D-sync plug.
Whoops, i forgot to double-check your TV's exact number for the nvidia driver.

It seems the nvidia driver now considers your TV as a 3DTV, and not as a 3D-vision ready display (although it would work perfectly). There is a possibility that the 3D vision driver refuses to activate the emitter when noticing the subtle classification difference. (it's not a technical issue, it's a software restriction put in place by Nvidia)



The theory was to use the old Avatar console game hack which the previous model of your TV allowed. (you could play the 1st gen of console 3D games with 3D vision glasses, but not the recent games ; your TV would have allowed the new PS3 3D games too)

When plugging the Vesa cable to the Nvidia emitter, the sync from the VESA cable overrides the sync from the computer application through USB. Yes you would have needed to have them both connected at the same time in order to activate the emitter, but since the sync is controlled by the TV, the trick should have worked.



But because of the possible detection issue, it would probably not work. You could still try it but it's a risky way.

I'd recommend the other ways just to be sure : use either DLP-link glasses or an other brand of emitter + glasses that have a VESA 3D-sync plug.

Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter

#6
Posted 02/18/2011 11:02 PM   
I think DLP link glasses would be a better choice, it works with PS3 as well as PC (3DTV Play). Recent 3DTV play update utility now support 3DTV play on this TV

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=193294
I think DLP link glasses would be a better choice, it works with PS3 as well as PC (3DTV Play). Recent 3DTV play update utility now support 3DTV play on this TV



http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=193294

#7
Posted 02/19/2011 07:53 AM   
[quote name='imarun' date='18 February 2011 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1298102005' post='1195781']
I think DLP link glasses would be a better choice, it works with PS3 as well as PC (3DTV Play). Recent 3DTV play update utility now support 3DTV play on this TV

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=193294
[/quote]

Ok, so if I understand this correctly I need to get the NVIDIA 3D play software for my pc which will output 3d content to my 3d TV, purchase a set of DLP Link Glasses (do they come with an ir emitter?) and these can be used on both the video signal coming from my NVIDIA GPU and the PS3?

EDIT- Alright, I went ahead and got a pair of the xpand 102's... We'll see in a few days how it goes...
[quote name='imarun' date='18 February 2011 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1298102005' post='1195781']

I think DLP link glasses would be a better choice, it works with PS3 as well as PC (3DTV Play). Recent 3DTV play update utility now support 3DTV play on this TV



http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=193294





Ok, so if I understand this correctly I need to get the NVIDIA 3D play software for my pc which will output 3d content to my 3d TV, purchase a set of DLP Link Glasses (do they come with an ir emitter?) and these can be used on both the video signal coming from my NVIDIA GPU and the PS3?



EDIT- Alright, I went ahead and got a pair of the xpand 102's... We'll see in a few days how it goes...

#8
Posted 02/25/2011 03:53 PM   
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