Request for XP Support Register your Desire for XP Driver Support
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If you notice Answer: 2318, you'll see that NVidia is willing to support other OS driver based on demand.
"At this time, the 3D Vision system is supported under Windows Vista only. Support for other OS's may be possible in the future based on demand."
I am here to register my demand for XP or Linux drivers.
I work in a VR Research lab at the University of Louisiana.
We don't use Vista and are not likely to, but the price of these shutter glasses is too nice to decline.
If anyone else wants other drivers, give a shout-out.
I requested an XP driver in an earlier post since I just can't bring myself to demand a favor. I'm an XP-user and cartographer for the USGS. I don't think there are any plans for us to migrate to Vista, especially with Windows 7 just around the corner. I can't speak for IT but, even then, I suspect migration will probably be slow and incremental. I strongly believe that folks locked into XP for one reason or another can get a good year or two of 3DVision use out of XP. Seems like it'd be good PR for nvidia and enable a number of outsiders to join the in-crowd. I also wonder how many home-users will purchase Vista now, knowing a better OS is imminent?
I requested an XP driver in an earlier post since I just can't bring myself to demand a favor. I'm an XP-user and cartographer for the USGS. I don't think there are any plans for us to migrate to Vista, especially with Windows 7 just around the corner. I can't speak for IT but, even then, I suspect migration will probably be slow and incremental. I strongly believe that folks locked into XP for one reason or another can get a good year or two of 3DVision use out of XP. Seems like it'd be good PR for nvidia and enable a number of outsiders to join the in-crowd. I also wonder how many home-users will purchase Vista now, knowing a better OS is imminent?
Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation
Vista is cheaper than XP now, and runs fine with all the updates.
If nvidia caves and gives support to XP they would be stifling their own creativity and p!55ing off MS.
Nobody wants that, so think about moving from XP to vista. Remember, there is the re-arm trick for vista.....[/quote]
You are correct sir! No one hates this more than I do, but we have to face it. There will be no XP driver.. Although I have never liked Vista, if I want to use 3D Vision, I have no choice. I'm sure in time I will heal. The pain won't last forever, and at least we have Windows 7 to look forward to. It's not as if we haven't been through this before, (ME -> XP...) Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the start. Seems they have to make it wrong before they make it right. If you ask me, they shouldn't charge us for 7, it's really just Vista SP 2... But then how can $soft rape more money from us if they dont' charge us again? Might be 5 years before they release Windows 8, We gotta feed those greedy mouths.. XP will always be a useful OS, but not for leading edge gamers. Bite the bullet, give up and join the future. We have..
Vista is cheaper than XP now, and runs fine with all the updates.
If nvidia caves and gives support to XP they would be stifling their own creativity and p!55ing off MS.
Nobody wants that, so think about moving from XP to vista. Remember, there is the re-arm trick for vista.....
You are correct sir! No one hates this more than I do, but we have to face it. There will be no XP driver.. Although I have never liked Vista, if I want to use 3D Vision, I have no choice. I'm sure in time I will heal. The pain won't last forever, and at least we have Windows 7 to look forward to. It's not as if we haven't been through this before, (ME -> XP...) Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the start. Seems they have to make it wrong before they make it right. If you ask me, they shouldn't charge us for 7, it's really just Vista SP 2... But then how can $soft rape more money from us if they dont' charge us again? Might be 5 years before they release Windows 8, We gotta feed those greedy mouths.. XP will always be a useful OS, but not for leading edge gamers. Bite the bullet, give up and join the future. We have..
I want to join the request group for WinXP x64 bit support. I own a geospatial interpretation company. I use XP for many reasons, the best being that not all of my GIS/Remote Sensing software supports Vista and likely won't with Win7 coming out. I need the quad buffered OpenGL support for the 3D vision package on the Quadro FX line of dual DVI cards that I am currently using.
If support for XPx63 on the QuadroFX cards doesn't happen this spring, I will not purchase the 3D Vision product.
I was really excited about getting rid of the CRT's....... somehow, there always seems to be a catch. I'm glad I haven't made the purchase yet.
I want to join the request group for WinXP x64 bit support. I own a geospatial interpretation company. I use XP for many reasons, the best being that not all of my GIS/Remote Sensing software supports Vista and likely won't with Win7 coming out. I need the quad buffered OpenGL support for the 3D vision package on the Quadro FX line of dual DVI cards that I am currently using.
If support for XPx63 on the QuadroFX cards doesn't happen this spring, I will not purchase the 3D Vision product.
I was really excited about getting rid of the CRT's....... somehow, there always seems to be a catch. I'm glad I haven't made the purchase yet.
I know it's hard to upgrade :"> , I loved windows XP and will always hold it close to my heart and soul. Sometimes you gotta take your dog (windows XP) out behind the shed and SHOOT it! Then you get a new cute dog (Windows Vista), that has all of it's shots (service pack 1 ) and take it home (to your Pc.) Then you love your dog (Windows Vista) and see all of the tricks it can do and feed it the best FOOD (Nvidia 3d Vision) to make it grow big and strong!!
I know it's hard to upgrade :"> , I loved windows XP and will always hold it close to my heart and soul. Sometimes you gotta take your dog (windows XP) out behind the shed and SHOOT it! Then you get a new cute dog (Windows Vista), that has all of it's shots (service pack 1 ) and take it home (to your Pc.) Then you love your dog (Windows Vista) and see all of the tricks it can do and feed it the best FOOD (Nvidia 3d Vision) to make it grow big and strong!!
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='513766' date='Mar 4 2009, 06:33 PM']I know it's hard to upgrade :"> , I loved windows XP and will always hold it close to my heart and soul. Sometimes you gotta take your dog (windows XP) out behind the shed and SHOOT it! Then you get a new cute dog (Windows Vista), that has all of it's shots (service pack 1 ) and take it home (to your Pc.) Then you love your dog (Windows Vista) and see all of the tricks it can do and feed it the best FOOD (Nvidia 3d Vision) to make it grow big and strong!!
Ok, so if I can get support for Quad buffered OpenGL on Vista.... I can upgrade.... When will this happen. The spring has happened and I still don't see any drivers for Vista. Am I supposed to upgrade to Vista and wait for support. Nvidia is known for eliminating support for products that are as little as 5 years old. Ridiculous. Even if I was to upgrade now.... how do I know that my investment in this technology will continue to be supported into the future?
[quote name='3d Gamer Ready' post='513766' date='Mar 4 2009, 06:33 PM']I know it's hard to upgrade :"> , I loved windows XP and will always hold it close to my heart and soul. Sometimes you gotta take your dog (windows XP) out behind the shed and SHOOT it! Then you get a new cute dog (Windows Vista), that has all of it's shots (service pack 1 ) and take it home (to your Pc.) Then you love your dog (Windows Vista) and see all of the tricks it can do and feed it the best FOOD (Nvidia 3d Vision) to make it grow big and strong!!
Ok, so if I can get support for Quad buffered OpenGL on Vista.... I can upgrade.... When will this happen. The spring has happened and I still don't see any drivers for Vista. Am I supposed to upgrade to Vista and wait for support. Nvidia is known for eliminating support for products that are as little as 5 years old. Ridiculous. Even if I was to upgrade now.... how do I know that my investment in this technology will continue to be supported into the future?
I'd love 3d in xp. Vista takes like 20+ percent of my framerate right off the top for no good reason whatsoever, and combining that with the 3d vision...
I'd love 3d in xp. Vista takes like 20+ percent of my framerate right off the top for no good reason whatsoever, and combining that with the 3d vision...
[quote name='f3likx' post='522475' date='Mar 24 2009, 09:56 PM']I'd love 3d in xp. Vista takes like 20+ percent of my framerate right off the top for no good reason whatsoever, and combining that with the 3d vision...
XP driver support would be a godsend.[/quote]
As long as you have enough ram, SP1 Vista is actually faster than SP3 XP. I know first hand the crap performance of Vista when it first came out, but Microsoft has really smoothed it out. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista if you have 512mb ram or a Pentium 3, but if you have a decent dual-core system with a couple gigs of memory or more, Vista SP1 is a performance upgrade.
[quote name='f3likx' post='522475' date='Mar 24 2009, 09:56 PM']I'd love 3d in xp. Vista takes like 20+ percent of my framerate right off the top for no good reason whatsoever, and combining that with the 3d vision...
XP driver support would be a godsend.
As long as you have enough ram, SP1 Vista is actually faster than SP3 XP. I know first hand the crap performance of Vista when it first came out, but Microsoft has really smoothed it out. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista if you have 512mb ram or a Pentium 3, but if you have a decent dual-core system with a couple gigs of memory or more, Vista SP1 is a performance upgrade.
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[quote name='SpyderCanopus' post='522490' date='Mar 25 2009, 05:43 AM']As long as you have enough ram, SP1 Vista is actually faster than SP3 XP. I know first hand the crap performance of Vista when it first came out, but Microsoft has really smoothed it out. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista if you have 512mb ram or a Pentium 3, but if you have a decent dual-core system with a couple gigs of memory or more, Vista SP1 is a performance upgrade.[/quote]
I have 4 gigs. c2d@3.2, 8 8800 ultras. Please, do try to show me more than a couple obscure, irrelevant situations where Vista is faster than XP.
It is ALWAYS slower - but you can use dx10 in vista. Aside from dx10 and 3d vision, I'd have 0 reason to use vista, ever.
Windows 7 is the exact same, by the way. All those people yelling about how its so much faster than vista can piss right off- I've run the beta myself and its the exact bloody same. A new start menu does not a new OS make.
[quote name='SpyderCanopus' post='522490' date='Mar 25 2009, 05:43 AM']As long as you have enough ram, SP1 Vista is actually faster than SP3 XP. I know first hand the crap performance of Vista when it first came out, but Microsoft has really smoothed it out. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista if you have 512mb ram or a Pentium 3, but if you have a decent dual-core system with a couple gigs of memory or more, Vista SP1 is a performance upgrade.
I have 4 gigs. c2d@3.2, 8 8800 ultras. Please, do try to show me more than a couple obscure, irrelevant situations where Vista is faster than XP.
It is ALWAYS slower - but you can use dx10 in vista. Aside from dx10 and 3d vision, I'd have 0 reason to use vista, ever.
Windows 7 is the exact same, by the way. All those people yelling about how its so much faster than vista can piss right off- I've run the beta myself and its the exact bloody same. A new start menu does not a new OS make.
I join my voice to yours to request Win XP to be supported by the GeForce 3D Vision kit. Some people don't realize that in big companies or public organisations, XP has been standardized and Vista will probably never be as Windows 7 is closed to be released. We work in photogrammetry and we need to work (and our clients too) under Windows XP!
If NVidia does not provide us XP support then we will have to go with another company that does.
I join my voice to yours to request Win XP to be supported by the GeForce 3D Vision kit. Some people don't realize that in big companies or public organisations, XP has been standardized and Vista will probably never be as Windows 7 is closed to be released. We work in photogrammetry and we need to work (and our clients too) under Windows XP!
If NVidia does not provide us XP support then we will have to go with another company that does.
Hello, after ages of lurking in this forum I feel compelled to make my first post, based on the responses I am seeing here. First let me state that I am a stereoscopic 3D gamer (I built my own stereomirror system), and I am among those in support for an XP/Linux stereo driver for 3D Vision, because I love this technology and I would love to try 3D Vision out. I am running XP, and I will not upgrade to Windows 7 until it reaches SP1 status. Secondly, what actually compelled me to respond is this observation:
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.
Hello, after ages of lurking in this forum I feel compelled to make my first post, based on the responses I am seeing here. First let me state that I am a stereoscopic 3D gamer (I built my own stereomirror system), and I am among those in support for an XP/Linux stereo driver for 3D Vision, because I love this technology and I would love to try 3D Vision out. I am running XP, and I will not upgrade to Windows 7 until it reaches SP1 status. Secondly, what actually compelled me to respond is this observation:
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.
[quote name='zaz123' post='523063' date='Mar 26 2009, 11:51 AM']Hello, after ages of lurking in this forum I feel compelled to make my first post, based on the responses I am seeing here. First let me state that I am a stereoscopic 3D gamer (I built my own stereomirror system), and I am among those in support for an XP/Linux stereo driver for 3D Vision, because I love this technology and I would love to try 3D Vision out. I am running XP, and I will not upgrade to Windows 7 until it reaches SP1 status. Secondly, what actually compelled me to respond is this observation:
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.[/quote]
The dismissive posts for the most part weren't directed at people like the professionals you described, who have a legitimate reason to stay with XP because of the slothful rate at which scientific and professional programs transition to new platforms. The dismissive posts were directed at the reticent gamers complaining about the lack of XP support who refuse to upgrade to Vista or at least dual boot because of some delusion of "performance degradation" in games when using Vista or because of the various other misconceptions regarding Vista's early problems, which have all been eradicated now with SP1 and the upcoming release of SP2. These people need to wake up and realize they are gaming on an almost decade old operating system, which might be fine for the professional applications you have described, but is ancient in terms of high-end PC gaming.
[quote name='zaz123' post='523063' date='Mar 26 2009, 11:51 AM']Hello, after ages of lurking in this forum I feel compelled to make my first post, based on the responses I am seeing here. First let me state that I am a stereoscopic 3D gamer (I built my own stereomirror system), and I am among those in support for an XP/Linux stereo driver for 3D Vision, because I love this technology and I would love to try 3D Vision out. I am running XP, and I will not upgrade to Windows 7 until it reaches SP1 status. Secondly, what actually compelled me to respond is this observation:
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.
The dismissive posts for the most part weren't directed at people like the professionals you described, who have a legitimate reason to stay with XP because of the slothful rate at which scientific and professional programs transition to new platforms. The dismissive posts were directed at the reticent gamers complaining about the lack of XP support who refuse to upgrade to Vista or at least dual boot because of some delusion of "performance degradation" in games when using Vista or because of the various other misconceptions regarding Vista's early problems, which have all been eradicated now with SP1 and the upcoming release of SP2. These people need to wake up and realize they are gaming on an almost decade old operating system, which might be fine for the professional applications you have described, but is ancient in terms of high-end PC gaming.
"At this time, the 3D Vision system is supported under Windows Vista only. Support for other OS's may be possible in the future based on demand."
I am here to register my demand for XP or Linux drivers.
I work in a VR Research lab at the University of Louisiana.
We don't use Vista and are not likely to, but the price of these shutter glasses is too nice to decline.
If anyone else wants other drivers, give a shout-out.
Cheers!
"At this time, the 3D Vision system is supported under Windows Vista only. Support for other OS's may be possible in the future based on demand."
I am here to register my demand for XP or Linux drivers.
I work in a VR Research lab at the University of Louisiana.
We don't use Vista and are not likely to, but the price of these shutter glasses is too nice to decline.
If anyone else wants other drivers, give a shout-out.
Cheers!
I requested an XP driver in an earlier post since I just can't bring myself to demand a favor. I'm an XP-user and cartographer for the USGS. I don't think there are any plans for us to migrate to Vista, especially with Windows 7 just around the corner. I can't speak for IT but, even then, I suspect migration will probably be slow and incremental. I strongly believe that folks locked into XP for one reason or another can get a good year or two of 3DVision use out of XP. Seems like it'd be good PR for nvidia and enable a number of outsiders to join the in-crowd. I also wonder how many home-users will purchase Vista now, knowing a better OS is imminent?
I requested an XP driver in an earlier post since I just can't bring myself to demand a favor. I'm an XP-user and cartographer for the USGS. I don't think there are any plans for us to migrate to Vista, especially with Windows 7 just around the corner. I can't speak for IT but, even then, I suspect migration will probably be slow and incremental. I strongly believe that folks locked into XP for one reason or another can get a good year or two of 3DVision use out of XP. Seems like it'd be good PR for nvidia and enable a number of outsiders to join the in-crowd. I also wonder how many home-users will purchase Vista now, knowing a better OS is imminent?
Using 3D Vision & Quadro 4000 for GIS apps on 64-bit Windows 7/Dell T7500 Workstation
Vista is cheaper than XP now, and runs fine with all the updates.
If nvidia caves and gives support to XP they would be stifling their own creativity and p!55ing off MS.
Nobody wants that, so think about moving from XP to vista. Remember, there is the re-arm trick for vista.....
Vista is cheaper than XP now, and runs fine with all the updates.
If nvidia caves and gives support to XP they would be stifling their own creativity and p!55ing off MS.
Nobody wants that, so think about moving from XP to vista. Remember, there is the re-arm trick for vista.....
Vista is cheaper than XP now, and runs fine with all the updates.
If nvidia caves and gives support to XP they would be stifling their own creativity and p!55ing off MS.
Nobody wants that, so think about moving from XP to vista. Remember, there is the re-arm trick for vista.....[/quote]
You are correct sir! No one hates this more than I do, but we have to face it. There will be no XP driver.. Although I have never liked Vista, if I want to use 3D Vision, I have no choice. I'm sure in time I will heal. The pain won't last forever, and at least we have Windows 7 to look forward to. It's not as if we haven't been through this before, (ME -> XP...) Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the start. Seems they have to make it wrong before they make it right. If you ask me, they shouldn't charge us for 7, it's really just Vista SP 2... But then how can $soft rape more money from us if they dont' charge us again? Might be 5 years before they release Windows 8, We gotta feed those greedy mouths.. XP will always be a useful OS, but not for leading edge gamers. Bite the bullet, give up and join the future. We have..
Rick
Vista is cheaper than XP now, and runs fine with all the updates.
If nvidia caves and gives support to XP they would be stifling their own creativity and p!55ing off MS.
Nobody wants that, so think about moving from XP to vista. Remember, there is the re-arm trick for vista.....
You are correct sir! No one hates this more than I do, but we have to face it. There will be no XP driver.. Although I have never liked Vista, if I want to use 3D Vision, I have no choice. I'm sure in time I will heal. The pain won't last forever, and at least we have Windows 7 to look forward to. It's not as if we haven't been through this before, (ME -> XP...) Windows 7 is what Vista should have been from the start. Seems they have to make it wrong before they make it right. If you ask me, they shouldn't charge us for 7, it's really just Vista SP 2... But then how can $soft rape more money from us if they dont' charge us again? Might be 5 years before they release Windows 8, We gotta feed those greedy mouths.. XP will always be a useful OS, but not for leading edge gamers. Bite the bullet, give up and join the future. We have..
Rick
If support for XPx63 on the QuadroFX cards doesn't happen this spring, I will not purchase the 3D Vision product.
I was really excited about getting rid of the CRT's....... somehow, there always seems to be a catch. I'm glad I haven't made the purchase yet.
If support for XPx63 on the QuadroFX cards doesn't happen this spring, I will not purchase the 3D Vision product.
I was really excited about getting rid of the CRT's....... somehow, there always seems to be a catch. I'm glad I haven't made the purchase yet.
Ok, so if I can get support for Quad buffered OpenGL on Vista.... I can upgrade.... When will this happen. The spring has happened and I still don't see any drivers for Vista. Am I supposed to upgrade to Vista and wait for support. Nvidia is known for eliminating support for products that are as little as 5 years old. Ridiculous. Even if I was to upgrade now.... how do I know that my investment in this technology will continue to be supported into the future?
Ok, so if I can get support for Quad buffered OpenGL on Vista.... I can upgrade.... When will this happen. The spring has happened and I still don't see any drivers for Vista. Am I supposed to upgrade to Vista and wait for support. Nvidia is known for eliminating support for products that are as little as 5 years old. Ridiculous. Even if I was to upgrade now.... how do I know that my investment in this technology will continue to be supported into the future?
XP driver support would be a godsend.
XP driver support would be a godsend.
XP driver support would be a godsend.[/quote]
As long as you have enough ram, SP1 Vista is actually faster than SP3 XP. I know first hand the crap performance of Vista when it first came out, but Microsoft has really smoothed it out. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista if you have 512mb ram or a Pentium 3, but if you have a decent dual-core system with a couple gigs of memory or more, Vista SP1 is a performance upgrade.
XP driver support would be a godsend.
As long as you have enough ram, SP1 Vista is actually faster than SP3 XP. I know first hand the crap performance of Vista when it first came out, but Microsoft has really smoothed it out. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista if you have 512mb ram or a Pentium 3, but if you have a decent dual-core system with a couple gigs of memory or more, Vista SP1 is a performance upgrade.
1x Intel S5000Xvn Mainboard
2x Quad 2.66GHz Xeons (X5355, 8 Cores)
1x EVGA GTX480
8x 2GB FB-DIMM 667 (16GB)
2x 64GB Corsair M4 SSDs in RAID0 (System)
4x 1TB SATA2 64MB Cache Western Digital Black's in RAID0 (Storage)
1x Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro
1x BD-ROM
1x DVD-RW
1x Antec High Current Pro HCP-1200 1200W Power Supply
1x Dell 30" 2560x1600 LCD
1x Samsung 22" 120hz GeForce 3D Vision Display
1x APC 1500VAC SmartUPS Battery Backup
1x Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit
I have 4 gigs. c2d@3.2, 8 8800 ultras. Please, do try to show me more than a couple obscure, irrelevant situations where Vista is faster than XP.
It is ALWAYS slower - but you can use dx10 in vista. Aside from dx10 and 3d vision, I'd have 0 reason to use vista, ever.
Windows 7 is the exact same, by the way. All those people yelling about how its so much faster than vista can piss right off- I've run the beta myself and its the exact bloody same. A new start menu does not a new OS make.
I have 4 gigs. c2d@3.2, 8 8800 ultras. Please, do try to show me more than a couple obscure, irrelevant situations where Vista is faster than XP.
It is ALWAYS slower - but you can use dx10 in vista. Aside from dx10 and 3d vision, I'd have 0 reason to use vista, ever.
Windows 7 is the exact same, by the way. All those people yelling about how its so much faster than vista can piss right off- I've run the beta myself and its the exact bloody same. A new start menu does not a new OS make.
If NVidia does not provide us XP support then we will have to go with another company that does.
If NVidia does not provide us XP support then we will have to go with another company that does.
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.[/quote]
The dismissive posts for the most part weren't directed at people like the professionals you described, who have a legitimate reason to stay with XP because of the slothful rate at which scientific and professional programs transition to new platforms. The dismissive posts were directed at the reticent gamers complaining about the lack of XP support who refuse to upgrade to Vista or at least dual boot because of some delusion of "performance degradation" in games when using Vista or because of the various other misconceptions regarding Vista's early problems, which have all been eradicated now with SP1 and the upcoming release of SP2. These people need to wake up and realize they are gaming on an almost decade old operating system, which might be fine for the professional applications you have described, but is ancient in terms of high-end PC gaming.
So far, we have four people posting--a VR researcher, a cartographer for the US Geological Survey, someone working in photogrammetry (a discipline which derives geometric data from 2-D images), and someone representing a geospatial interpretation company (a field with many applications)—all of whom have a legitimate need for a cost-effective stereoscopic solution that runs on Linux/XP. They each post a simple, respectful request for alternative OS driver support, and in return, they get told to stop complaining and upgrade to Vista. Regrettably, it’s not that simple. Many academic/engineering/research software applications are not designed/certified to run on Vista. The upgrade cycle is slower in scientific fields, and many businesses hold on to stable software platforms until a major OS paradigm shift occurs.
The GeForce 3D Vision was developed with gaming in mind, but the technology underlying it has existed for a long time, and it has long been put to beneficial use in science and industry. By enabling driver support for XP/Linux you would enable its use in many other non-gaming applications—as well as open up a market segment of gamers willing to purchase the product for gaming under Windows XP/Linux. nVidia as a company may have had its roots in gaming, but it has many other non-gaming divisions (such as its workstation-product/Quadro division, Tesla computing solutions, etc) and it actively courts the scientific and industrial community to leverage its products for purposes beyond entertainment.
Both the public and private sector are under a budget crunch. Being able to use a high-quality, low-cost stereo3D shutterglasses solution with their existing OS platform would help to offset some of those budgetary issues. This would help those in academics and industry who work to improve the quality of products and services we use every day, especially the smaller institutions/businesses that have limited budgets.
I am not a researcher (though I did genetics research when I was a student) nor am I involved in industry, but I do know that every day I use products or services that were in some way influenced by stereoscopic technology. The gas you are burning to keep your house warm may have been discovered by geologists studying stereo3D landmass representations. The car you are driving was designed by automotive engineers who were able to see what the car’s body looked like and test the layout of the instruments before a single physical part was bolted together. Biotechnology researchers are analyzing viral/bacterial/mutated genes and protein configurations in 3D to better understand their interactions and cure many of the diseases that afflict humanity. Radiologists are utilizing stereo3D images to improve detection and diagnosis of cancerous tumors, tumors that may be growing in your body...right...now.
I fully understand nVidia's need to look after its own best interests, and I realize that supporting Linux/XP may result in overhead--business is business, and this is a tough economic environment. However, nVidia would undoubtedly be opening up a larger market for the 3D Vision--both in the gaming and non-gaming populace. At the very least, nVidia could release an "unsupported beta" Linux/XP driver so that basic stereo functionality is enabled. Down the road, nVidia could even offer a cost-effective academic/industrial version of the 3D Vision (like "3D Vision Professional") and market it towards the scientific/medical/business community.
Anyway, I hope an XP/Linux driver sees the light of day, if not for the gamers, at least for the people who work to make life better for the rest of us. To the people who posted the dismissive responses, I don’t even see why you should care if nVidia releases XP/Linux drivers for 3D Vision—just go back to your games on Vista and be happy. If you do post, try to understand where these professionals are coming from.
The dismissive posts for the most part weren't directed at people like the professionals you described, who have a legitimate reason to stay with XP because of the slothful rate at which scientific and professional programs transition to new platforms. The dismissive posts were directed at the reticent gamers complaining about the lack of XP support who refuse to upgrade to Vista or at least dual boot because of some delusion of "performance degradation" in games when using Vista or because of the various other misconceptions regarding Vista's early problems, which have all been eradicated now with SP1 and the upcoming release of SP2. These people need to wake up and realize they are gaming on an almost decade old operating system, which might be fine for the professional applications you have described, but is ancient in terms of high-end PC gaming.