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[quote="Dugom"]If you can't see it, good for you. How many % depth do you set on your 3D? [/quote] I have 6.25cm of separation, viewed from under a meter away. I do not know about the ES7000, but describing the ES7500 as a shitty 3D experience is ignorant at best, misleading at worst. In 3D it is bright, vibrant, clear, has excellent motion clarity due to the fast pixel switching (blows my old 3007wfp out of the water there) and the checkerboard mode looks aprox like full 1080p. "Try them and tell me that you can't see crosstalk (ghosts)" Re-read my post. "Jet Lee movie" I had 2500 hours according to Steam of 3D gaming, tweaking and testing now. Think about that, thats a lot of 3D use. I use the Mirrors Edge's level opening as my crosstalk stress test and it is definitely there. Seeing it and noticing it while playing, two different things. I didn't play Mirrors Edge with this TV, had I and im sure i would have noticed it, perhaps even while playing. Measuring crosstalk is tricky. You can't just go by those test images i've found either. I have seen a couple TVs that showed high crosstalk in those tests but performed better in person than they should have going strictly according to those tests. I use digitalversus's crosstalk images, i never wouldn't, but i also use their pixel switching time test, which i think might be even a better indicator of real world crosstalk than the ghost images. I recommend using data from several sites to determine the level of crosstalk and average it out. Digitalversus, avforum, and a couple others do input lag and crosstalk tests and some do brightness and contrast tests through the glasses. I value brightness heavily for its life-like quality so i pay attention to that. I do not recommend interlaced 1080p TVs or non-checkerboard TVs and i recommend doingresearch on input lag and brightness/contrast during 3D before anyone buys.
Dugom said:If you can't see it, good for you. How many % depth do you set on your 3D?


I have 6.25cm of separation, viewed from under a meter away. I do not know about the ES7000, but describing the ES7500 as a shitty 3D experience is ignorant at best, misleading at worst. In 3D it is bright, vibrant, clear, has excellent motion clarity due to the fast pixel switching (blows my old 3007wfp out of the water there) and the checkerboard mode looks aprox like full 1080p.


"Try them and tell me that you can't see crosstalk (ghosts)"
Re-read my post.

"Jet Lee movie"
I had 2500 hours according to Steam of 3D gaming, tweaking and testing now. Think about that, thats a lot of 3D use. I use the Mirrors Edge's level opening as my crosstalk stress test and it is definitely there. Seeing it and noticing it while playing, two different things. I didn't play Mirrors Edge with this TV, had I and im sure i would have noticed it, perhaps even while playing.


Measuring crosstalk is tricky. You can't just go by those test images i've found either. I have seen a couple TVs that showed high crosstalk in those tests but performed better in person than they should have going strictly according to those tests. I use digitalversus's crosstalk images, i never wouldn't, but i also use their pixel switching time test, which i think might be even a better indicator of real world crosstalk than the ghost images.

I recommend using data from several sites to determine the level of crosstalk and average it out. Digitalversus, avforum, and a couple others do input lag and crosstalk tests and some do brightness and contrast tests through the glasses. I value brightness heavily for its life-like quality so i pay attention to that.

I do not recommend interlaced 1080p TVs or non-checkerboard TVs and i recommend doingresearch on input lag and brightness/contrast during 3D before anyone buys.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#16
Posted 03/16/2015 06:30 AM   
[quote="bo3b"]One thing that occurs to me with regard to looking into TVs for 3D gaming- make sure it does well using blu-ray 3D to start. When I looked at TVs in the past, there was an incomprehensible difference between the 3D on different TVs. As Dugom notes, cost did not predict quality. Some sets from the same manufacturer were good, some terrible. Plasma wasn't always the best, some LCDs were actually very good. It was a mess, and I'd suggest, not a surprise that people with 3D TVs found it underwhelming. But, if you find a TV that can do proper high quality blu-ray 3D playaback, the chance are very good it will work for 3D Vision. The reason to look at 3D movie playback is because the rest of the world only cares about movies, and you can find a lot more info and reviews.[/quote] I only started watching 3D movies last year because i found them so underwhelming, however i found a great way to turn them into the "window to a world" experience we have with games by using the blu-ray software or settings on the TV in increase the separation to 6.25cm. I used to go to TV stores all the time to try and test for crosstalk in person and they'd usually have two or three different TVs playing movies and so i'd have to wait for scenes with high separation to examine the level of crosstalk. When i actually started measuring the separation, can you believe i only found a MAXIMUM of .5 inches of separation in Tron on a 55" 3DTV? I usually had to sit there and wait for fleeting glimpses of enough overlap to test for crosstalk.
bo3b said:One thing that occurs to me with regard to looking into TVs for 3D gaming- make sure it does well using blu-ray 3D to start. When I looked at TVs in the past, there was an incomprehensible difference between the 3D on different TVs. As Dugom notes, cost did not predict quality. Some sets from the same manufacturer were good, some terrible. Plasma wasn't always the best, some LCDs were actually very good. It was a mess, and I'd suggest, not a surprise that people with 3D TVs found it underwhelming.

But, if you find a TV that can do proper high quality blu-ray 3D playaback, the chance are very good it will work for 3D Vision. The reason to look at 3D movie playback is because the rest of the world only cares about movies, and you can find a lot more info and reviews.


I only started watching 3D movies last year because i found them so underwhelming, however i found a great way to turn them into the "window to a world" experience we have with games by using the blu-ray software or settings on the TV in increase the separation to 6.25cm.

I used to go to TV stores all the time to try and test for crosstalk in person and they'd usually have two or three different TVs playing movies and so i'd have to wait for scenes with high separation to examine the level of crosstalk. When i actually started measuring the separation, can you believe i only found a MAXIMUM of .5 inches of separation in Tron on a 55" 3DTV? I usually had to sit there and wait for fleeting glimpses of enough overlap to test for crosstalk.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#17
Posted 03/16/2015 06:44 AM   
[quote="bo3b"]One thing that occurs to me with regard to looking into TVs for 3D gaming- make sure it does well using blu-ray 3D to start. When I looked at TVs in the past, there was an incomprehensible difference between the 3D on different TVs. As Dugom notes, cost did not predict quality. Some sets from the same manufacturer were good, some terrible. Plasma wasn't always the best, some LCDs were actually very good. It was a mess, and I'd suggest, not a surprise that people with 3D TVs found it underwhelming. But, if you find a TV that can do proper high quality blu-ray 3D playaback, the chance are very good it will work for 3D Vision. The reason to look at 3D movie playback is because the rest of the world only cares about movies, and you can find a lot more info and reviews.[/quote] I only started watching 3D movies last year because i found them so underwhelming, however i found a great way to turn them into the "window to a world" experience we have with games by using the blu-ray software or settings on the TV in increase the separation to 6.25cm, my IPD, or just under since the separation fluctuates so much in movies. However, you obviously don't need that much if you sit back, i just sit very close when watching so i set it high. I used to go to TV stores all the time to try and test for crosstalk in person and they'd usually have two or three different TVs playing movies and so i'd have to wait for scenes with high separation to examine the level of crosstalk. When i actually started measuring the separation, can you believe i only found a MAXIMUM of .5 inches of separation in Tron on a 55" 3DTV? I usually had to sit there and wait for fleeting glimpses of enough overlap to test for crosstalk for most movies.
bo3b said:One thing that occurs to me with regard to looking into TVs for 3D gaming- make sure it does well using blu-ray 3D to start. When I looked at TVs in the past, there was an incomprehensible difference between the 3D on different TVs. As Dugom notes, cost did not predict quality. Some sets from the same manufacturer were good, some terrible. Plasma wasn't always the best, some LCDs were actually very good. It was a mess, and I'd suggest, not a surprise that people with 3D TVs found it underwhelming.

But, if you find a TV that can do proper high quality blu-ray 3D playaback, the chance are very good it will work for 3D Vision. The reason to look at 3D movie playback is because the rest of the world only cares about movies, and you can find a lot more info and reviews.


I only started watching 3D movies last year because i found them so underwhelming, however i found a great way to turn them into the "window to a world" experience we have with games by using the blu-ray software or settings on the TV in increase the separation to 6.25cm, my IPD, or just under since the separation fluctuates so much in movies. However, you obviously don't need that much if you sit back, i just sit very close when watching so i set it high.

I used to go to TV stores all the time to try and test for crosstalk in person and they'd usually have two or three different TVs playing movies and so i'd have to wait for scenes with high separation to examine the level of crosstalk. When i actually started measuring the separation, can you believe i only found a MAXIMUM of .5 inches of separation in Tron on a 55" 3DTV? I usually had to sit there and wait for fleeting glimpses of enough overlap to test for crosstalk for most movies.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#18
Posted 03/16/2015 06:46 AM   
[quote="Libertine"]I do not know about the ES7000, but describing the ES7500 as a shitty 3D experience is ignorant at best, misleading at worst.[/quote]This is the same as ES7500 (European name). If you can't play to Mirror Edge in 3D then it is a shitty TV, I'm I right ? You don't see crosstalk as an annoyance/discomfort, but most player do. You can't recommand this TV to anyone if better models exist... Show me picture (Rabbit / Tridef / TDU2) a cellphone will do, you may have fine better setting... I've learn that most people who have bought something expensive never wants to say it is shitty, by pride. So please prove me wrong by some pictures then I will shut up I promess. Here my results trough SGG-4100 on Samsung ES7000: [url=http://postimg.org/image/x2blzznzv/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/x2blzznzv/20150316_162837.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://postimg.org/image/m6k84n323/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/m6k84n323/20150316_162935.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://postimg.org/image/5ua6ewoqj/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/5ua6ewoqj/20150316_163008.jpg[/img][/url] The same with 3DVision 2 and ACER GD245HQ (GD235HZ for US/UK name): [url=http://postimg.org/image/cbt2yez3v/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/cbt2yez3v/20150316_163512.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://postimg.org/image/syan7hs1n/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/syan7hs1n/20150316_163519.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://postimg.org/image/aewctu8fv/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/aewctu8fv/20150316_163525.jpg[/img][/url] Personnaly crosstalk (ghosts) is ruining my 3D experience... -------------------------------- [quote="Libertine"]wait for scenes with high separation to examine the level of crosstalk. When i actually started measuring the separation, can you believe i only found a MAXIMUM of .5 inches of separation in Tron on a 55" 3DTV? I usually had to sit there and wait for fleeting glimpses of enough overlap to test for crosstalk.[/quote]Like I've said, TV are not big enought for movies. They are set for 36x30 meters, it is 1840 inches !!! So crosstalk from TV on movies is just blur. And I don't like blur either... -------------------------------- [quote="Libertine"]using the blu-ray software or settings on the TV in increase the separation to 6.25cm[/quote]Again as I've said earlier, you can't modifying depth on movie, just change the parallax, to move all the movie faraway or near you, 3D won't change at all. By doing that you cut off right and left edges of the movie... .
Libertine said:I do not know about the ES7000, but describing the ES7500 as a shitty 3D experience is ignorant at best, misleading at worst.
This is the same as ES7500 (European name).

If you can't play to Mirror Edge in 3D then it is a shitty TV, I'm I right ?

You don't see crosstalk as an annoyance/discomfort, but most player do. You can't recommand this TV to anyone if better models exist...

Show me picture (Rabbit / Tridef / TDU2) a cellphone will do, you may have fine better setting... I've learn that most people who have bought something expensive never wants to say it is shitty, by pride. So please prove me wrong by some pictures then I will shut up I promess.


Here my results trough SGG-4100 on Samsung ES7000:

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The same with 3DVision 2 and ACER GD245HQ (GD235HZ for US/UK name):

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Personnaly crosstalk (ghosts) is ruining my 3D experience...


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Libertine said:wait for scenes with high separation to examine the level of crosstalk. When i actually started measuring the separation, can you believe i only found a MAXIMUM of .5 inches of separation in Tron on a 55" 3DTV? I usually had to sit there and wait for fleeting glimpses of enough overlap to test for crosstalk.
Like I've said, TV are not big enought for movies. They are set for 36x30 meters, it is 1840 inches !!!

So crosstalk from TV on movies is just blur. And I don't like blur either...


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Libertine said:using the blu-ray software or settings on the TV in increase the separation to 6.25cm
Again as I've said earlier, you can't modifying depth on movie, just change the parallax, to move all the movie faraway or near you, 3D won't change at all. By doing that you cut off right and left edges of the movie...



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[quote="Dugom"] If you can't play to Mirror Edge in 3D then it is a shitty TV, I'm I right ?[/quote]I didn't say i couldn't play mirrors edge? I said the crosstalk was certainly there and noticeable. I wasn't immersed in the game, i was checking for crosstalk. [quote]You don't see crosstalk as an annoyance/discomfort, but most player do.[/quote]Have you publicly published the results of this survey? Did it get anymore detailed than this? I'd be interested in seeing more, was it door to door or online? [quote]You can't recommand this TV to anyone if better models exist...[/quote]I 100% recommend this model AND I 100% recommend never stopping the search for something better. Remember, this guy not only asked about TV, he specifically asked not to mention projectors. [quote]Show me picture (Rabbit / Tridef / TDU2) a cellphone will do, you may have fine better setting... I've learn that most people who have bought something expensive never wants to say it is shitty, by pride. So please prove me wrong it by some pictures then I will shut up I promess.[/quote] My TV is in storage while and will be for another few months. I do remember having the thought that the amount of crosstalk was slightly more than my VG278H. Here my results trough SGG-4100 on Samsung ES7000: [url=http://postimg.org/image/x2blzznzv/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/x2blzznzv/20150316_162837.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://postimg.org/image/m6k84n323/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/m6k84n323/20150316_162935.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://postimg.org/image/5ua6ewoqj/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/5ua6ewoqj/20150316_163008.jpg[/img][/url] [quote]Personnaly crosstalk (ghosts) is ruining my 3D experience...[/quote] One annoying thing about my extensive research for a particular model TV was the realization that the reviews i was seeing on international sites could be from a TV with better, or worse internal components than what was available to me, from the same model line. If your saying that crosstalk is ruining your experience from that, i would honestly guess that is the case.
Dugom said:

If you can't play to Mirror Edge in 3D then it is a shitty TV, I'm I right ?
I didn't say i couldn't play mirrors edge? I said the crosstalk was certainly there and noticeable. I wasn't immersed in the game, i was checking for crosstalk.


You don't see crosstalk as an annoyance/discomfort, but most player do.
Have you publicly published the results of this survey? Did it get anymore detailed than this? I'd be interested in seeing more, was it door to door or online?



You can't recommand this TV to anyone if better models exist...
I 100% recommend this model AND I 100% recommend never stopping the search for something better. Remember, this guy not only asked about TV, he specifically asked not to mention projectors.

Show me picture (Rabbit / Tridef / TDU2) a cellphone will do, you may have fine better setting... I've learn that most people who have bought something expensive never wants to say it is shitty, by pride. So please prove me wrong it by some pictures then I will shut up I promess.
My TV is in storage while and will be for another few months. I do remember having the thought that the amount of crosstalk was slightly more than my VG278H.

Here my results trough SGG-4100 on Samsung ES7000:

ImageImageImage



Personnaly crosstalk (ghosts) is ruining my 3D experience...
One annoying thing about my extensive research for a particular model TV was the realization that the reviews i was seeing on international sites could be from a TV with better, or worse internal components than what was available to me, from the same model line. If your saying that crosstalk is ruining your experience from that, i would honestly guess that is the case.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#20
Posted 03/16/2015 04:08 PM   
[quote="Dugom"] If you can't play to Mirror Edge in 3D then it is a shitty TV, I'm I right ?[/quote]I didn't say i couldn't play mirrors edge. I said the crosstalk was certainly there and noticeable. I wasn't immersed in the game, i was checking for crosstalk. [quote]You don't see crosstalk as an annoyance/discomfort, but most player do.[/quote]Have you publicly published the results of this survey? Did it get anymore detailed than this? I'd be interested in seeing more, was it door to door? [quote]You can't recommand this TV to anyone if better models exist...[/quote]I 100% recommend this model AND I 100% recommend never stopping the search for something better. Remember, this guy not only asked about TV, he specifically asked not to mention projectors. [quote]Show me picture (Rabbit / Tridef / TDU2) a cellphone will do, you may have fine better setting... I've learn that most people who have bought something expensive never wants to say it is shitty, by pride. So please prove me wrong it by some pictures then I will shut up I promess.[/quote] My TV is in storage while and will be for another few months. I do remember having the thought that the amount of crosstalk was only slightly more than my VG278H, i believe that is an accurate memory, but it has been awhile since i had the VG. [quote]Personnaly crosstalk (ghosts) is ruining my 3D experience...[/quote] One annoying thing about my extensive research for a particular model TV was the realization that the reviews i was seeing on international sites could be from a TV with better, or worse internal components than what was available to me, from the same model line. If your saying that crosstalk is ruining your experience from that, i would honestly guess that is the case. [quote]Like I've said, TV are not big enought for movies. They are set for 36x30 meters, it is 1840 inches !!![/quote]Have you tried to increase the separation with software or TV settings? They are big enough if you have access to that. The range of separation from close to distant object is not effected and of course is not correct, but for movies with good 3D, such as Tintin, increasing the separation results in a movie world that looks extremely dimensionally real. [quote]photos[/quote] Those look very bad, i certainly don't remember crosstalk being that heavy. I don't have time, but you might check review sites like televisioninfo and hdtvtest, avforum, as they might have noted whether for not the internals were the same. TV companies have manufacturing plants all over the world.
Dugom said:

If you can't play to Mirror Edge in 3D then it is a shitty TV, I'm I right ?
I didn't say i couldn't play mirrors edge. I said the crosstalk was certainly there and noticeable. I wasn't immersed in the game, i was checking for crosstalk.


You don't see crosstalk as an annoyance/discomfort, but most player do.
Have you publicly published the results of this survey? Did it get anymore detailed than this? I'd be interested in seeing more, was it door to door?



You can't recommand this TV to anyone if better models exist...
I 100% recommend this model AND I 100% recommend never stopping the search for something better. Remember, this guy not only asked about TV, he specifically asked not to mention projectors.

Show me picture (Rabbit / Tridef / TDU2) a cellphone will do, you may have fine better setting... I've learn that most people who have bought something expensive never wants to say it is shitty, by pride. So please prove me wrong it by some pictures then I will shut up I promess.
My TV is in storage while and will be for another few months. I do remember having the thought that the amount of crosstalk was only slightly more than my VG278H, i believe that is an accurate memory, but it has been awhile since i had the VG.



Personnaly crosstalk (ghosts) is ruining my 3D experience...
One annoying thing about my extensive research for a particular model TV was the realization that the reviews i was seeing on international sites could be from a TV with better, or worse internal components than what was available to me, from the same model line. If your saying that crosstalk is ruining your experience from that, i would honestly guess that is the case.


Like I've said, TV are not big enought for movies. They are set for 36x30 meters, it is 1840 inches !!!
Have you tried to increase the separation with software or TV settings? They are big enough if you have access to that.

The range of separation from close to distant object is not effected and of course is not correct, but for movies with good 3D, such as Tintin, increasing the separation results in a movie world that looks extremely dimensionally real.

photos
Those look very bad, i certainly don't remember crosstalk being that heavy. I don't have time, but you might check review sites like televisioninfo and hdtvtest, avforum, as they might have noted whether for not the internals were the same. TV companies have manufacturing plants all over the world.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#21
Posted 03/16/2015 04:08 PM   
[quote="Libertine"]Have you tried to increase the separation with software or TV settings? They are big enough if you have access to that. The range of separation from close to distant object is not effected and of course is not correct, but for movies with good 3D, such as Tintin, increasing the separation results in a movie world that looks extremely dimensionally real. Those look very bad, i certainly don't remember crosstalk being that heavy. I don't have time, but you might check review sites like televisioninfo and hdtvtest, avforum, as they might have noted whether for not the internals were the same. TV companies have manufacturing plants all over the world.[/quote]I've got PowerDVD 14. Can you tell me what is this option that you use and on which software? Have you some 3D screenshots ? When I've bought the ES7000 it was the better 3DTV on market for 3D, so I've read on review... But that was in 2012, now it's outdated... But there is still recent 3DTV worse in 3D that the ES7000 for sure ! .
Libertine said:Have you tried to increase the separation with software or TV settings? They are big enough if you have access to that.

The range of separation from close to distant object is not effected and of course is not correct, but for movies with good 3D, such as Tintin, increasing the separation results in a movie world that looks extremely dimensionally real.

Those look very bad, i certainly don't remember crosstalk being that heavy. I don't have time, but you might check review sites like televisioninfo and hdtvtest, avforum, as they might have noted whether for not the internals were the same. TV companies have manufacturing plants all over the world.
I've got PowerDVD 14. Can you tell me what is this option that you use and on which software? Have you some 3D screenshots ?

When I've bought the ES7000 it was the better 3DTV on market for 3D, so I've read on review... But that was in 2012, now it's outdated... But there is still recent 3DTV worse in 3D that the ES7000 for sure !



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[quote="bo3b"][quote="b4thman"]I have read very good things about this tv: https://www.avforums.com/review/lg-55ec930v-ec930-curved-full-hd-3d-webos-oled-tv-review.10889 It has what I have always wanted on a tv, a very good black. The only thing is that I have read also that it is impossible to have Nvidia 3d vision working. Why? no idea.[/quote] Interesting potential with the OLED screen there, but why the giant input lag? OLED switching time is awesome, and should really help ghosting. Makes no sense to have such giant lag. One thing that occurs to me with regard to looking into TVs for 3D gaming- make sure it does well using blu-ray 3D to start. When I looked at TVs in the past, there was an incomprehensible difference between the 3D on different TVs. As Dugom notes, cost did not predict quality. Some sets from the same manufacturer were good, some terrible. Plasma wasn't always the best, some LCDs were actually very good. It was a mess, and I'd suggest, not a surprise that people with 3D TVs found it underwhelming. But, if you find a TV that can do proper high quality blu-ray 3D playaback, the chance are very good it will work for 3D Vision. The reason to look at 3D movie playback is because the rest of the world only cares about movies, and you can find a lot more info and reviews.[/quote] Probably because LG just doesn't give a ****. Their TV's are consistently a joke (although I suppose they're "better" of late). It wasn't that long ago that a very popular LG model had 200ms of input lag. I mean, seriously, how big of an engineering flunkie do you have to be to manage that? It's a real shame they're the owners of the Kodak OLED patents because they are hot trash when it comes to engineering a set with any kind of acceptable input lag level. And that's who basically owns the OLED market (for at least the next couple years).
bo3b said:
b4thman said:I have read very good things about this tv:
https://www.avforums.com/review/lg-55ec930v-ec930-curved-full-hd-3d-webos-oled-tv-review.10889

It has what I have always wanted on a tv, a very good black. The only thing is that I have read also that it is impossible to have Nvidia 3d vision working. Why? no idea.

Interesting potential with the OLED screen there, but why the giant input lag?
OLED switching time is awesome, and should really help ghosting. Makes no sense to have such giant lag.


One thing that occurs to me with regard to looking into TVs for 3D gaming- make sure it does well using blu-ray 3D to start. When I looked at TVs in the past, there was an incomprehensible difference between the 3D on different TVs. As Dugom notes, cost did not predict quality. Some sets from the same manufacturer were good, some terrible. Plasma wasn't always the best, some LCDs were actually very good. It was a mess, and I'd suggest, not a surprise that people with 3D TVs found it underwhelming.

But, if you find a TV that can do proper high quality blu-ray 3D playaback, the chance are very good it will work for 3D Vision. The reason to look at 3D movie playback is because the rest of the world only cares about movies, and you can find a lot more info and reviews.


Probably because LG just doesn't give a ****. Their TV's are consistently a joke (although I suppose they're "better" of late). It wasn't that long ago that a very popular LG model had 200ms of input lag. I mean, seriously, how big of an engineering flunkie do you have to be to manage that?

It's a real shame they're the owners of the Kodak OLED patents because they are hot trash when it comes to engineering a set with any kind of acceptable input lag level. And that's who basically owns the OLED market (for at least the next couple years).

#23
Posted 03/16/2015 05:06 PM   
[quote]I've got PowerDVD 14. Can you tell me what is this option that you use and on which software? Have you some 3D screenshots ?[/quote] Its one of only a few 3D option in PowerDVD, called 3D strength or something like that. Makes a massive difference. Hope you find it. Your TV has it too and its a little easier to change. I believe i had to use both the TV and powerdvd settings to get near 6.5cm once.
I've got PowerDVD 14. Can you tell me what is this option that you use and on which software? Have you some 3D screenshots ?


Its one of only a few 3D option in PowerDVD, called 3D strength or something like that. Makes a massive difference. Hope you find it. Your TV has it too and its a little easier to change. I believe i had to use both the TV and powerdvd settings to get near 6.5cm once.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#24
Posted 03/16/2015 05:12 PM   
Nop, can't find it on PDVD. The only setting is Depth scene 3D on interpolation of 2D video... That's fake 3D and it's an horrible 3D with wrong objets positions, it's worth that Z buffer 3D... I know my TV by heart, there no such thing in it. You can modify parallax, but not depth as I've said. Depth option is possible only on "2D -> 3D" 3D mode, which is fake 3D again, just completly horrible. [url=http://postimg.org/image/h5m0urad7/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/h5m0urad7/3_D_samsung_settings.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://postimg.org/image/7z3q7h54r/][img]http://s25.postimg.org/7z3q7h54r/3_D_setting_samsung.jpg[/img][/url] I don't know how you set your 3D but I kind of scared right now... If you could show me a picture of the option it will be easier. My posts are explicit enough to be credible. I think I speak for nothing here, so I'll stop now. An let you with your weird 3D settings, until you show me solid proof, not just words. .
Nop, can't find it on PDVD. The only setting is Depth scene 3D on interpolation of 2D video... That's fake 3D and it's an horrible 3D with wrong objets positions, it's worth that Z buffer 3D...

I know my TV by heart, there no such thing in it. You can modify parallax, but not depth as I've said. Depth option is possible only on "2D -> 3D" 3D mode, which is fake 3D again, just completly horrible.

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I don't know how you set your 3D but I kind of scared right now... If you could show me a picture of the option it will be easier.


My posts are explicit enough to be credible. I think I speak for nothing here, so I'll stop now. An let you with your weird 3D settings, until you show me solid proof, not just words.



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Its the perspective option. "Depth" in 3D vision adjusts the separation between the images, so i am used to calling that depth. On a 46" if i sit about a meter away, or a little more, i get a great effect when adjust that so that the further objects away match my IPD.
Its the perspective option. "Depth" in 3D vision adjusts the separation between the images, so i am used to calling that depth. On a 46" if i sit about a meter away, or a little more, i get a great effect when adjust that so that the further objects away match my IPD.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#26
Posted 03/16/2015 06:25 PM   
Ok so, this apply: [quote="Dugom"]Again as I've said earlier, you can't modifying depth on movie, just change the parallax, to move all the movie faraway or near you, 3D won't change at all. By doing that you cut off right and left edges of the movie...[/quote]It's ok to use that, but it doesn't improve depth, just move it. It's proportional, more you push it out of the screen less is left into the screen. More parallax is like moving your TV closer, without gaining FOV (size). (Sorry again for my poor english.) .
Ok so, this apply:
Dugom said:Again as I've said earlier, you can't modifying depth on movie, just change the parallax, to move all the movie faraway or near you, 3D won't change at all. By doing that you cut off right and left edges of the movie...
It's ok to use that, but it doesn't improve depth, just move it. It's proportional, more you push it out of the screen less is left into the screen. More parallax is like moving your TV closer, without gaining FOV (size).


(Sorry again for my poor english.)


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Dugom - what is typical bulb life, and what is geometric alignment process for two projectors? Does geometric alignment drift? Is re-alignment required with bulb change? Also, what type of screen is required? HDTVs and UHD TVs do not have some of these challenges (different potential issues, like input lag). I recommend passive 3D UHD TVs as good, modern 3D display devices. See [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/3d-vision/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/post/4486252/#4486252[/url]. Good 3D immersion combines large FOV (for example, viewing 55 in TV from less than 48 in) AND high resolution (displays closer to the eyes visual acuity limits).
Dugom - what is typical bulb life, and what is geometric alignment process for two projectors? Does geometric alignment drift? Is re-alignment required with bulb change? Also, what type of screen is required?

HDTVs and UHD TVs do not have some of these challenges (different potential issues, like input lag). I recommend passive 3D UHD TVs as good, modern 3D display devices. See https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/818183/3d-vision/gtx-970-4k-3d-vision-gaming-success-with-lgub850v-passive-tv-/post/4486252/#4486252. Good 3D immersion combines large FOV (for example, viewing 55 in TV from less than 48 in) AND high resolution (displays closer to the eyes visual acuity limits).

#28
Posted 03/16/2015 10:58 PM   
[quote="Dugom"]Ok so, this apply: [quote="Dugom"]Again as I've said earlier, you can't modifying depth on movie, just change the parallax, to move all the movie faraway or near you, 3D won't change at all. By doing that you cut off right and left edges of the movie...[/quote]It's ok to use that, but it doesn't improve depth, just move it. It's proportional, more you push it out of the screen less is left into the screen. More parallax is like moving your TV closer, without gaining FOV (size). (Sorry again for my poor english.) .[/quote] Here is what this setting does: The size of objects on the screen implies that they are EXACTLY a certain distance from you. The 3D works INDEPENDENTLY to also place them in a certain position. Using this setting you can push objects in the scene back into the monitor, at the distance their size dictates they should also be at. This makes the scene look real, like holodeck real, in movies that have a good amount of depth, such a Tintin,, most of Transformers, Prometheus, etc. Its not always perfect, with close ups usually not looking right, but normal scenes look very much more real. Im not referring to 3d conversions which are garbage in my opinion. Its like triangulation, one radar station knows the distance, the second station narrows it down, etc. When these are matched up with accurate values, it tells our brain the thing is real.
Dugom said:Ok so, this apply:
Dugom said:Again as I've said earlier, you can't modifying depth on movie, just change the parallax, to move all the movie faraway or near you, 3D won't change at all. By doing that you cut off right and left edges of the movie...
It's ok to use that, but it doesn't improve depth, just move it. It's proportional, more you push it out of the screen less is left into the screen. More parallax is like moving your TV closer, without gaining FOV (size).


(Sorry again for my poor english.)


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Here is what this setting does: The size of objects on the screen implies that they are EXACTLY a certain distance from you. The 3D works INDEPENDENTLY to also place them in a certain position. Using this setting you can push objects in the scene back into the monitor, at the distance their size dictates they should also be at. This makes the scene look real, like holodeck real, in movies that have a good amount of depth, such a Tintin,, most of Transformers, Prometheus, etc. Its not always perfect, with close ups usually not looking right, but normal scenes look very much more real. Im not referring to 3d conversions which are garbage in my opinion.

Its like triangulation, one radar station knows the distance, the second station narrows it down, etc. When these are matched up with accurate values, it tells our brain the thing is real.

46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530

#29
Posted 03/17/2015 09:06 PM   
[quote="whyme466"]Dugom - what is typical bulb life, and what is geometric alignment process for two projectors? Does geometric alignment drift? Is re-alignment required with bulb change? Also, what type of screen is required? [/quote]I never had a projector, so I realy can't help you. Contact BlackShark is a friend of mine, from french 3D forums. He is the best guy for the job and he speaks fluent UK. I had learned a lot from him and he is a better 3D expert than me. Register there to speak to him via Private Message, i'm sure he'll help you with kindness. TriDef forum: http://www.tridef.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3644 MTBS forum: http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1854&sid=2851e8e7209824f36acb88018e702978 If BlackShark won't reply, I know another guy called "Upsilandre", he is the best 3D guy I know but I don't know if is good with English but I could find out, keep me posted. [Edit] Well in fact you have run into him there: http://www.tridef.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3471 .
whyme466 said:Dugom - what is typical bulb life, and what is geometric alignment process for two projectors? Does geometric alignment drift? Is re-alignment required with bulb change? Also, what type of screen is required?
I never had a projector, so I realy can't help you. Contact BlackShark is a friend of mine, from french 3D forums. He is the best guy for the job and he speaks fluent UK. I had learned a lot from him and he is a better 3D expert than me.


Register there to speak to him via Private Message, i'm sure he'll help you with kindness.

TriDef forum:
http://www.tridef.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3644

MTBS forum:
http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpbb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1854&sid=2851e8e7209824f36acb88018e702978


If BlackShark won't reply, I know another guy called "Upsilandre", he is the best 3D guy I know but I don't know if is good with English but I could find out, keep me posted.



[Edit]
Well in fact you have run into him there:
http://www.tridef.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3471


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