Need help on 3D monitors
Hello guys.. I have many doubts aboute 3d monitors with passive vs active, and im extremely confused!

I want a 3D monitor to, JUST, play games on it.. For navigation will use 2D, in 2D no matter the light etc!

For gaming, 3d vision (active) or a simply passive? Active will heart the brain or eyes?

http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG278H/ , there is a excelent monitor with new features ..

Need legitim opinions..


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WARNING

Dont be a fan boy or soething like that, to forward me to buy nvidia stuff .. Because im a nvidia user , and support her!

Just annoy me problems with active vs passive on gaming., hope you guys will help me alot.
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Many Regards guys!
Hello guys.. I have many doubts aboute 3d monitors with passive vs active, and im extremely confused!



I want a 3D monitor to, JUST, play games on it.. For navigation will use 2D, in 2D no matter the light etc!



For gaming, 3d vision (active) or a simply passive? Active will heart the brain or eyes?



http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG278H/
, there is a excelent monitor with new features ..



Need legitim opinions..





*********

WARNING



Dont be a fan boy or soething like that, to forward me to buy nvidia stuff .. Because im a nvidia user , and support her!



Just annoy me problems with active vs passive on gaming., hope you guys will help me alot.

*********







Many Regards guys!

#1
Posted 12/27/2011 02:23 AM   
I STRONGLY suggest you go to a local best buy and try out active AND passive 3D yourself. You need to see which you personally prefer. However, I will list out the pro's and cons of each.

Active:

Pros:
-Full HD image. Active 3D allows each eye to receive a 1080p image, meaning there shouldn't be any loss in resolution.
-Some argue that active has better 3D effects, this is more personal preference I think though.

Cons:
-Glasses are expensive. Glasses can cost anywhere from $30(very cheap often more) to $100 a pair(most are often around $80 I believe). So if you want more than one pair of glasses, be prepared to pay a lot.
-Glasses are heavy. Active glasses are battery powered and therefor have more stuff inside them, making them heavier. This means they may be discomforting and not fit over normal glasses as good.
-Battery powered. You have to recharge them or replace batteries, which is inconvenient.
-Darker. Active glasses are typically darker than passive, but with 3D vision 2, this isn't really an issue.
-Flickering. You can see the flickering(what ACTIVE is, it sends an image to each eye at alternating intervals, 120 times per second I believe). This is most noticeable on light surfaces. However, most good displays don't really have this problem. Try out the display you want to get in person, see if it bothers you or even exists.
-Ghosting and Crosstalk. This is more apparent in Active 3D, you get a double image. That being said, it's not an issue most of the time and passive isn't immune to this.
-Headaches, although I'm hesitant to even say this. If you have your 3D set up properly, you shouldn't get any headaches or nausea, but some people still do. This is caused by the active flickering technology. Some claim passive gives them headaches too, I call BS though.


Passive:
Pros:
-Glasses are cheap, often as little as $5 per pair.
-Brighter. The glasses aren't as dark, but Nvidia 3D Vision 2 solves this for the most part with active technology.
-Glasses are lighter, fit easier over normal glasses.
-No batteries. Passive glasses are not battery powered and never need to be recharged.
-Less Ghosting and Crosstalk. Better than active theoretically, but can still occur.
-No flickering. It simply doesn't exist with passive technology.

Cons:
-Halved vertical resolution. Each eye only receives half of the vertical resolution(540p as opposed to 1080p). Theoretically your eyes should put the image together to form a full 1080p picture but you can still see the loss of resolution, especially when reading text in 3D. Some people don't even notice/care about this. Drives others crazy. You should see it in person yourself to decide.
-Not as good of 3D. Again, more of a personal preference I believe. I have seen no difference in 3D depth or pop out when comparing active to passive.

That's all I know. I know that post looks like I'm saying to buy passive, but I'm NOT. try each out. Many of the cons are minor, and may not apply to your situation. I likely forgot some stuff too. I am by no means a 3D expert. I recently got my first 3D technology, an LG passive 3D TV, and I like it, but I can notice the halved resolution, I saw it last night when watching a movie. My brother didn't see it and says I'm just a freak, but if your a videophile you may notice it.

I can't comment on specific displays, but if you want it for only PC gaming, go with a 3D monitor, one that is Nvidia 3D ready if you go the Nvidia route. TV's work, but they are limited to 720p resolution, monitors can do full 1080p.

I wish you the best of luck, hopefully someone that is more knowledgeable than me will reply. Let me know if you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them.
I STRONGLY suggest you go to a local best buy and try out active AND passive 3D yourself. You need to see which you personally prefer. However, I will list out the pro's and cons of each.



Active:



Pros:

-Full HD image. Active 3D allows each eye to receive a 1080p image, meaning there shouldn't be any loss in resolution.

-Some argue that active has better 3D effects, this is more personal preference I think though.



Cons:

-Glasses are expensive. Glasses can cost anywhere from $30(very cheap often more) to $100 a pair(most are often around $80 I believe). So if you want more than one pair of glasses, be prepared to pay a lot.

-Glasses are heavy. Active glasses are battery powered and therefor have more stuff inside them, making them heavier. This means they may be discomforting and not fit over normal glasses as good.

-Battery powered. You have to recharge them or replace batteries, which is inconvenient.

-Darker. Active glasses are typically darker than passive, but with 3D vision 2, this isn't really an issue.

-Flickering. You can see the flickering(what ACTIVE is, it sends an image to each eye at alternating intervals, 120 times per second I believe). This is most noticeable on light surfaces. However, most good displays don't really have this problem. Try out the display you want to get in person, see if it bothers you or even exists.

-Ghosting and Crosstalk. This is more apparent in Active 3D, you get a double image. That being said, it's not an issue most of the time and passive isn't immune to this.

-Headaches, although I'm hesitant to even say this. If you have your 3D set up properly, you shouldn't get any headaches or nausea, but some people still do. This is caused by the active flickering technology. Some claim passive gives them headaches too, I call BS though.





Passive:

Pros:

-Glasses are cheap, often as little as $5 per pair.

-Brighter. The glasses aren't as dark, but Nvidia 3D Vision 2 solves this for the most part with active technology.

-Glasses are lighter, fit easier over normal glasses.

-No batteries. Passive glasses are not battery powered and never need to be recharged.

-Less Ghosting and Crosstalk. Better than active theoretically, but can still occur.

-No flickering. It simply doesn't exist with passive technology.



Cons:

-Halved vertical resolution. Each eye only receives half of the vertical resolution(540p as opposed to 1080p). Theoretically your eyes should put the image together to form a full 1080p picture but you can still see the loss of resolution, especially when reading text in 3D. Some people don't even notice/care about this. Drives others crazy. You should see it in person yourself to decide.

-Not as good of 3D. Again, more of a personal preference I believe. I have seen no difference in 3D depth or pop out when comparing active to passive.



That's all I know. I know that post looks like I'm saying to buy passive, but I'm NOT. try each out. Many of the cons are minor, and may not apply to your situation. I likely forgot some stuff too. I am by no means a 3D expert. I recently got my first 3D technology, an LG passive 3D TV, and I like it, but I can notice the halved resolution, I saw it last night when watching a movie. My brother didn't see it and says I'm just a freak, but if your a videophile you may notice it.



I can't comment on specific displays, but if you want it for only PC gaming, go with a 3D monitor, one that is Nvidia 3D ready if you go the Nvidia route. TV's work, but they are limited to 720p resolution, monitors can do full 1080p.



I wish you the best of luck, hopefully someone that is more knowledgeable than me will reply. Let me know if you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them.

#2
Posted 12/27/2011 03:25 AM   
Hello, thanks for your reply, helped me alot!

About active glasses, following the Asus monitor that i mentioned, have 3d vision 3 inclued which have 56 grams (really low), They dont have problems about darker (most reviews i saw, they say it isnt dark with v2), about Ghosting and Crosstalk, passive or active, will have, but im sure you will see this if you are trying to caught this..

For me the quality is a most, because i will may pass in maximum of 2/3h playing in 3D, no more that..


Many thanks,
Helder Neves
Hello, thanks for your reply, helped me alot!



About active glasses, following the Asus monitor that i mentioned, have 3d vision 3 inclued which have 56 grams (really low), They dont have problems about darker (most reviews i saw, they say it isnt dark with v2), about Ghosting and Crosstalk, passive or active, will have, but im sure you will see this if you are trying to caught this..



For me the quality is a most, because i will may pass in maximum of 2/3h playing in 3D, no more that..





Many thanks,

Helder Neves

#3
Posted 12/27/2011 02:39 PM   
Since that is a 3D Vision 2 Monitor, the brightness shouldn't be a problem like you mentioned. Once configured and set up right, I doubt there will be ghosting or much crosstalk. However, if someone is looking for this, they can probably see it at certain times. Some games also have more ghosting or crosstalk compared to others. And if you're only gaming for 2-3 hours, I don't think the weight or discomfort of glasses will bother you.

I've never used or seen a 3D vision 2 monitor in person, so I can't provide any personal experience. Even though this isn't what you want, I would still recommend going to a local store like best buy and trying out active and passive 3D with televisions. Then just remember that the active found in those televisions likely won't be as good as the Nvidia 3D vision 2, it will likely be darker, and may have slightly more amounts of ghosting and/or crosstalk.

Hopefully someone who has actually used or had an Nvidia 3D vision 2 kit replies.
Since that is a 3D Vision 2 Monitor, the brightness shouldn't be a problem like you mentioned. Once configured and set up right, I doubt there will be ghosting or much crosstalk. However, if someone is looking for this, they can probably see it at certain times. Some games also have more ghosting or crosstalk compared to others. And if you're only gaming for 2-3 hours, I don't think the weight or discomfort of glasses will bother you.



I've never used or seen a 3D vision 2 monitor in person, so I can't provide any personal experience. Even though this isn't what you want, I would still recommend going to a local store like best buy and trying out active and passive 3D with televisions. Then just remember that the active found in those televisions likely won't be as good as the Nvidia 3D vision 2, it will likely be darker, and may have slightly more amounts of ghosting and/or crosstalk.



Hopefully someone who has actually used or had an Nvidia 3D vision 2 kit replies.

#4
Posted 12/27/2011 05:12 PM   
I second the recommendation to check them out in person. To me, the lines in passive displays 40" and larger are just too big to use sitting close to it. I have not seen smaller passive displays though, which would have smaller lines. The brightness issue of active displays has pretty much been solved by the new 27" with Lightboost, which leaves crosstalk and flicker as the only remaining issues i'd personally be worried about for the most part [even though my batteries ran out on my last night ]. I personally don't see the flicker when i view active, it looks as solid as viewing in 2D to me, but a few say they do. As far as crosstalk, eventually I have gotten used to it and no longer notice it unless it is really bad, and i use a substandard display with lots of crosstalk. That after 500 hours of gaming though... My vote is the new 27" with lightboost if your only considering computer monitors. If you consider using a large 3DTV, i'd only consider a low crosstalk active model from 2011. I use a 46" 3DTV from a meter away and love it because of the high FoV, even at 720p.
I second the recommendation to check them out in person. To me, the lines in passive displays 40" and larger are just too big to use sitting close to it. I have not seen smaller passive displays though, which would have smaller lines. The brightness issue of active displays has pretty much been solved by the new 27" with Lightboost, which leaves crosstalk and flicker as the only remaining issues i'd personally be worried about for the most part [even though my batteries ran out on my last night ]. I personally don't see the flicker when i view active, it looks as solid as viewing in 2D to me, but a few say they do. As far as crosstalk, eventually I have gotten used to it and no longer notice it unless it is really bad, and i use a substandard display with lots of crosstalk. That after 500 hours of gaming though... My vote is the new 27" with lightboost if your only considering computer monitors. If you consider using a large 3DTV, i'd only consider a low crosstalk active model from 2011. I use a 46" 3DTV from a meter away and love it because of the high FoV, even at 720p.

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#5
Posted 12/27/2011 06:01 PM   
Hello,

Could a passive monitor use a active glasses?

For example, this monitor is passive: http://www.lg.com/pt/informatica/monitores/LG-monitor-D2542P-PN.jsp, And could i use the 3d vision 2 glasses on it?, because 3d vision had the ir emiter..

Regards
Hello,



Could a passive monitor use a active glasses?



For example, this monitor is passive: http://www.lg.com/pt/informatica/monitores/LG-monitor-D2542P-PN.jsp, And could i use the 3d vision 2 glasses on it?, because 3d vision had the ir emiter..



Regards

#6
Posted 12/29/2011 01:43 AM   
No, active and passive are not compatible. With 3D vision, you are supposed to always use the Nvidia glasses with the certified 3D display. I don't really know how this works with passive displays though, seeing as Nvidia glasses are active.

So sorry but that's the best answer I can give, hopefully someone else can provide more insight.
No, active and passive are not compatible. With 3D vision, you are supposed to always use the Nvidia glasses with the certified 3D display. I don't really know how this works with passive displays though, seeing as Nvidia glasses are active.



So sorry but that's the best answer I can give, hopefully someone else can provide more insight.

#7
Posted 12/29/2011 06:57 AM   
Hello, thanks for replay

You answered my question .. Its because the asus monitor have problems, and thos LG monitor (passive) is cheapest (about $290) ..


Regards


edit 1 :: have someone tested this monitor with 3d vision 2? Benq XL2420TX
Hello, thanks for replay



You answered my question .. Its because the asus monitor have problems, and thos LG monitor (passive) is cheapest (about $290) ..





Regards





edit 1 :: have someone tested this monitor with 3d vision 2? Benq XL2420TX

#8
Posted 12/29/2011 02:51 PM   
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