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When comparing these two projectors I have heard that mine, the Viewsonic 6531, is actually better than the acer in a few areas. I had thought about returning mine to get the acer because of 3D Vision comparability issues, but with tomorrow's patch may keep it. It looks awesome with Blue ray so far and my cable, but this is my first projector so i have a few questions.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.
When comparing these two projectors I have heard that mine, the Viewsonic 6531, is actually better than the acer in a few areas. I had thought about returning mine to get the acer because of 3D Vision comparability issues, but with tomorrow's patch may keep it. It looks awesome with Blue ray so far and my cable, but this is my first projector so i have a few questions.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.
[quote name='Redmantab' post='1073479' date='Jun 14 2010, 09:10 PM']When comparing these two projectors I have heard that mine, the Viewsonic 6531, is actually better than the acer in a few areas. I had thought about returning mine to get the acer because of 3D Vision comparability issues, but with tomorrow's patch may keep it. It looks awesome with Blue ray so far and my cable, but this is my first projector so i have a few questions.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.[/quote]
[quote name='Redmantab' post='1073479' date='Jun 14 2010, 09:10 PM']When comparing these two projectors I have heard that mine, the Viewsonic 6531, is actually better than the acer in a few areas. I had thought about returning mine to get the acer because of 3D Vision comparability issues, but with tomorrow's patch may keep it. It looks awesome with Blue ray so far and my cable, but this is my first projector so i have a few questions.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.
Acer @ 120hz has 1050 contrast and 750 lumen. I doubt you can throw a too big picture with lumens as low as that, and for sure the optoma hd66 is no better in this department, so i doubt the viewsonic is.
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Acer @ 120hz has 1050 contrast and 750 lumen. I doubt you can throw a too big picture with lumens as low as that, and for sure the optoma hd66 is no better in this department, so i doubt the viewsonic is.
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
[quote name='tritosine' post='1074994' date='Jun 17 2010, 02:09 PM']Acer @ 120hz has 1050 contrast and 750 lumen. I doubt you can throw a too big picture with lumens as low as that, and for sure the optoma hd66 is no better in this department, so i doubt the viewsonic is.
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Scores 2600 contrast @ 60hz, btw.[/quote]
Thank you for always replying. If I understood it a bit more AND fully grasped what you say in your signature about brightness, it would REALLY help me I'll bet. I just got the view sonic which, in a 15 foot long room has a HUGE quality iimage and I have heard it is brighter and stronger than many. Now that it is supported with nvidias recent patch it is a good bet right? Also, I'm using a 120$ large screen. Should I get something better?
[quote name='tritosine' post='1074994' date='Jun 17 2010, 02:09 PM']Acer @ 120hz has 1050 contrast and 750 lumen. I doubt you can throw a too big picture with lumens as low as that, and for sure the optoma hd66 is no better in this department, so i doubt the viewsonic is.
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Scores 2600 contrast @ 60hz, btw.
Thank you for always replying. If I understood it a bit more AND fully grasped what you say in your signature about brightness, it would REALLY help me I'll bet. I just got the view sonic which, in a 15 foot long room has a HUGE quality iimage and I have heard it is brighter and stronger than many. Now that it is supported with nvidias recent patch it is a good bet right? Also, I'm using a 120$ large screen. Should I get something better?
I actually saw an H5360 in person for the first time running at a pool hall the other day (a few of them, actually). They weren't running in 3D, but it was enough to make me feel justified for choosing to (eventually) buy a DLP TV. Blacks were too bright and crappy and everything seemed washed out compared to a normal display. It wasn't what I thought it would be from all the good reviews on it and people here saying they prefer it over a DLP TV (which I also saw a few months ago and looked much better imo). Definitely wouldn't want that to be my primary display like I had planned.
I actually saw an H5360 in person for the first time running at a pool hall the other day (a few of them, actually). They weren't running in 3D, but it was enough to make me feel justified for choosing to (eventually) buy a DLP TV. Blacks were too bright and crappy and everything seemed washed out compared to a normal display. It wasn't what I thought it would be from all the good reviews on it and people here saying they prefer it over a DLP TV (which I also saw a few months ago and looked much better imo). Definitely wouldn't want that to be my primary display like I had planned.
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[quote name='3D schmeedee' post='1076807' date='Jun 23 2010, 11:09 AM']I actually saw an H5360 in person for the first time running at a pool hall the other day (a few of them, actually). They weren't running in 3D, but it was enough to make me feel justified for choosing to (eventually) buy a DLP TV. Blacks were too bright and crappy and everything seemed washed out compared to a normal display. It wasn't what I thought it would be from all the good reviews on it and people here saying they prefer it over a DLP TV (which I also saw a few months ago and looked much better imo). Definitely wouldn't want that to be my primary display like I had planned.[/quote]
ever heard about ambient light? :unsure: you saw maybe 1-5% of what its capable of ............ especially, if you say it was running 60hz, there was enough ambient light there to kill off 2100 lumens completely . LOL.
[quote]A higher contrast ratio implies a device has greater ability to display black as 'a deeper black' instead of dark gray with respect to its brightest whites. A home theater projector with a contrast ratio rating of 8,000:1 is more capable of showing a dark subject than one with an 800:1 contrast ratio. But the difference in performance between the two would only become apparent if projection takes place in a completely dark room, one in which is there no light other than that of the projected image.
Equally important is that the eye would not detect a 10 times improvement in contrast performance between these two projectors. Rather, the perceived difference in image performance between these two devices would be just marginal and detectable only if the room is in total darkness.
Marginal because the eye contrast sensitivity is not linear. While a difference in a contrast ratio of between 10:1 and 20:1 will be definitely distinguishable and a difference between 100:1 and 200:1 as clearly visible, the eye would see the difference between say 400:1 and 800:1 as a minor change. And anything above 1000:1 may not be visible at all.
And it is detectable only in the total absences of ambient light because as we will see further in this article, complete absence of stray light in a room is critical when it comes to contrast performance. This is a rather rare situation in everyday life unless viewing takes place under a controlled environment, such as that of a dedicated home theater with black painted walls.
This absence of light in contrast performance is important as the brightness level of what the eye perceives as black in comparison to the brightest parts of the image, can only be as low as the light reflected by the darkest parts of the image. This applies irrespective of whether the image is being displayed on a projection screen or a direct-view display such as that of an LCD or plasma TV.
Any ambient light will be reflected by the projection screen surface, or the glass surface and the internal display structure in the case of a direct-view display, thus turning black into what may appear as some shade of gray. This lowers image contrast considerably.
Direct-view systems however have the advantage that their contrast performance is significantly less affected by the presences of light in the room. This is mainly thanks to the optical coatings on the display screen surface that help block external light from entering the display panel, and the use of a black surface structure inside the display between adjacent pixels to block more of the ambient light from entering the display.[/quote]
[quote name='3D schmeedee' post='1076807' date='Jun 23 2010, 11:09 AM']I actually saw an H5360 in person for the first time running at a pool hall the other day (a few of them, actually). They weren't running in 3D, but it was enough to make me feel justified for choosing to (eventually) buy a DLP TV. Blacks were too bright and crappy and everything seemed washed out compared to a normal display. It wasn't what I thought it would be from all the good reviews on it and people here saying they prefer it over a DLP TV (which I also saw a few months ago and looked much better imo). Definitely wouldn't want that to be my primary display like I had planned.
ever heard about ambient light? :unsure: you saw maybe 1-5% of what its capable of ............ especially, if you say it was running 60hz, there was enough ambient light there to kill off 2100 lumens completely . LOL.
A higher contrast ratio implies a device has greater ability to display black as 'a deeper black' instead of dark gray with respect to its brightest whites. A home theater projector with a contrast ratio rating of 8,000:1 is more capable of showing a dark subject than one with an 800:1 contrast ratio. But the difference in performance between the two would only become apparent if projection takes place in a completely dark room, one in which is there no light other than that of the projected image.
Equally important is that the eye would not detect a 10 times improvement in contrast performance between these two projectors. Rather, the perceived difference in image performance between these two devices would be just marginal and detectable only if the room is in total darkness.
Marginal because the eye contrast sensitivity is not linear. While a difference in a contrast ratio of between 10:1 and 20:1 will be definitely distinguishable and a difference between 100:1 and 200:1 as clearly visible, the eye would see the difference between say 400:1 and 800:1 as a minor change. And anything above 1000:1 may not be visible at all.
And it is detectable only in the total absences of ambient light because as we will see further in this article, complete absence of stray light in a room is critical when it comes to contrast performance. This is a rather rare situation in everyday life unless viewing takes place under a controlled environment, such as that of a dedicated home theater with black painted walls.
This absence of light in contrast performance is important as the brightness level of what the eye perceives as black in comparison to the brightest parts of the image, can only be as low as the light reflected by the darkest parts of the image. This applies irrespective of whether the image is being displayed on a projection screen or a direct-view display such as that of an LCD or plasma TV.
Any ambient light will be reflected by the projection screen surface, or the glass surface and the internal display structure in the case of a direct-view display, thus turning black into what may appear as some shade of gray. This lowers image contrast considerably.
Direct-view systems however have the advantage that their contrast performance is significantly less affected by the presences of light in the room. This is mainly thanks to the optical coatings on the display screen surface that help block external light from entering the display panel, and the use of a black surface structure inside the display between adjacent pixels to block more of the ambient light from entering the display.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.[/quote]
Anyone?
1-how do my illumines or wtvr compare? Isn't mine brighter?
2- i have heard number 1 will matter a lot to me because 3d darkens the experience?
3-i have heard mine can make a larger image or throw in a smaller room? In a 14 foot room i have to say my image so far is huge.
4- is my resolution or "blue Ray-HD-3d ness" better or higher?
5- people have said it is kinda lame mine has 16:10 and not 16:9. Is that true and should i care?
Please answer these and share any additional thoughts for a new guy with a new projector who really likes it so far, but wants to grasp my options and my purchase.
Anyone?
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Scores 2600 contrast @ 60hz, btw.
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Scores 2600 contrast @ 60hz, btw.
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Scores 2600 contrast @ 60hz, btw.[/quote]
Thank you for always replying. If I understood it a bit more AND fully grasped what you say in your signature about brightness, it would REALLY help me I'll bet. I just got the view sonic which, in a 15 foot long room has a HUGE quality iimage and I have heard it is brighter and stronger than many. Now that it is supported with nvidias recent patch it is a good bet right? Also, I'm using a 120$ large screen. Should I get something better?
I think the blacks are pretty lame, I find the colors okay, at least i tolerate it much better since I dont switch between 60and 120hz anymore , and better contrast / colors at 60hz comes from the 2.5x higher brightness , and the brilliantcolor DLP colorboosting technique, so thats somewhat fake anyway (not counting the extra brightness) .
Scores 2600 contrast @ 60hz, btw.
Thank you for always replying. If I understood it a bit more AND fully grasped what you say in your signature about brightness, it would REALLY help me I'll bet. I just got the view sonic which, in a 15 foot long room has a HUGE quality iimage and I have heard it is brighter and stronger than many. Now that it is supported with nvidias recent patch it is a good bet right? Also, I'm using a 120$ large screen. Should I get something better?
I want to sacrifice the 750lumen for better blacks by sticking something inside the pj.
I want to sacrifice the 750lumen for better blacks by sticking something inside the pj.
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ever heard about ambient light? :unsure: you saw maybe 1-5% of what its capable of ............ especially, if you say it was running 60hz, there was enough ambient light there to kill off 2100 lumens completely . LOL.
[quote]A higher contrast ratio implies a device has greater ability to display black as 'a deeper black' instead of dark gray with respect to its brightest whites. A home theater projector with a contrast ratio rating of 8,000:1 is more capable of showing a dark subject than one with an 800:1 contrast ratio. But the difference in performance between the two would only become apparent if projection takes place in a completely dark room, one in which is there no light other than that of the projected image.
Equally important is that the eye would not detect a 10 times improvement in contrast performance between these two projectors. Rather, the perceived difference in image performance between these two devices would be just marginal and detectable only if the room is in total darkness.
Marginal because the eye contrast sensitivity is not linear. While a difference in a contrast ratio of between 10:1 and 20:1 will be definitely distinguishable and a difference between 100:1 and 200:1 as clearly visible, the eye would see the difference between say 400:1 and 800:1 as a minor change. And anything above 1000:1 may not be visible at all.
And it is detectable only in the total absences of ambient light because as we will see further in this article, complete absence of stray light in a room is critical when it comes to contrast performance. This is a rather rare situation in everyday life unless viewing takes place under a controlled environment, such as that of a dedicated home theater with black painted walls.
This absence of light in contrast performance is important as the brightness level of what the eye perceives as black in comparison to the brightest parts of the image, can only be as low as the light reflected by the darkest parts of the image. This applies irrespective of whether the image is being displayed on a projection screen or a direct-view display such as that of an LCD or plasma TV.
Any ambient light will be reflected by the projection screen surface, or the glass surface and the internal display structure in the case of a direct-view display, thus turning black into what may appear as some shade of gray. This lowers image contrast considerably.
Direct-view systems however have the advantage that their contrast performance is significantly less affected by the presences of light in the room. This is mainly thanks to the optical coatings on the display screen surface that help block external light from entering the display panel, and the use of a black surface structure inside the display between adjacent pixels to block more of the ambient light from entering the display.[/quote]
ever heard about ambient light? :unsure: you saw maybe 1-5% of what its capable of ............ especially, if you say it was running 60hz, there was enough ambient light there to kill off 2100 lumens completely . LOL.