¿SLI GTX 760 -VS- ONE GTX 780? FOR nVIDIA 3D Vision 1080P?
Hi friends, what is the best option?
¿SLI GTX 760 OR ONE 780 [u][b]for nVIDIA 3D Vision @1080P[/b][/u]?
I DON'T KNOW IF BUY ONE OF THIS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130917
OR BUY TWO OF THESE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130934
PD: What about the power consumption of SLI 760 and ONE 780, [b][u]¿what is higher?[/u][/b]
(I have a power supply of 850w corsair.)
Thanks!!!
I generally believe that it's better to have one great card (or two great cards) than two so-so cards. Top-end cards are less likely to suffer with top-end games or features, and they keep their resale value better.
The 760SLI are likely to give you better performance in some games, but probably worse performance in others (and are more prone to microstuttering). If you google some performance charts (eg. guru3d, tomshardware) you'll likely find a direct comparison to help you choose.
As for power, 760 SLI will give you close to twice the power consumption (twice the environmental impact, and twice the cost on your power bills). Also, twice the heat.....and about twice the noise.
760 SLI would be a bit of a cheap-and-nasty alternative compared to a single quiet, power- efficient and very robust 780.
EDIT: This article will help you: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_760_sli_review,1.html
Looks like 760 SLI gives generally better frames per second, but with less consistent frames (ie. with more microstuttering)
I generally believe that it's better to have one great card (or two great cards) than two so-so cards. Top-end cards are less likely to suffer with top-end games or features, and they keep their resale value better.
The 760SLI are likely to give you better performance in some games, but probably worse performance in others (and are more prone to microstuttering). If you google some performance charts (eg. guru3d, tomshardware) you'll likely find a direct comparison to help you choose.
As for power, 760 SLI will give you close to twice the power consumption (twice the environmental impact, and twice the cost on your power bills). Also, twice the heat.....and about twice the noise.
760 SLI would be a bit of a cheap-and-nasty alternative compared to a single quiet, power- efficient and very robust 780.
Pretty sure that microstuttering is not a problem for NVidia SLI. They created a new sampling tool to specifically study it and fix it. (called FCAT)
You'll probably get both opinions. In general I take the opposite tack, and SLI is typically higher performance for the same dollars spent. For example, dual 680 (or 690) is still higher performance than a single Titan. 2x680 = about $800.
There might be other factors you care more about, like power consumption, or getting latest generation. 760 cards use last gen parts for example, and are actually the same as 670 cards.
780 uses about 208 Watts during gaming, dual 760 about 300 Watts.
For me personally, getting value is more important, so I go with SLI whenever I can.
Edit: Nice article, thanks. I hadn't realized they used FCAT in that article. For Tomb Raider for example it demonstrates that no stuttering is happening.
Pretty sure that microstuttering is not a problem for NVidia SLI. They created a new sampling tool to specifically study it and fix it. (called FCAT)
You'll probably get both opinions. In general I take the opposite tack, and SLI is typically higher performance for the same dollars spent. For example, dual 680 (or 690) is still higher performance than a single Titan. 2x680 = about $800.
There might be other factors you care more about, like power consumption, or getting latest generation. 760 cards use last gen parts for example, and are actually the same as 670 cards.
780 uses about 208 Watts during gaming, dual 760 about 300 Watts.
For me personally, getting value is more important, so I go with SLI whenever I can.
Edit: Nice article, thanks. I hadn't realized they used FCAT in that article. For Tomb Raider for example it demonstrates that no stuttering is happening.
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compared to AMD, Nvidia definitely has way less microstuttering. I can't say I've noticed much of it personally. Though in the graphs I've seen, SLI does tend to be slightly worse than single-GPU.
I think the Tech Report has been doing reviews looking at microstuttering for a while now (I think they were basically the ones to 'discover' it and blow the lid on AMDs terrible CrossfireX situation).
Up front, SLI is probably better value, though I don't know about the long term. Firstly, all those extra watts (I'm surprised it's only 50% more actually) are going to contribute to your power bill. Secondly, you'll probably get more of your money back when you eventually sell the cards during your next upgrade. You're more likely to upgrade sooner if you have two older cards too (not a problem in this case, since all the cards in question are from the 7xx generation).
I don't care about value though. This is my main hobby, so I'm happy to fork out to have the best. I'm not exactly rich - I earn less than the average, and I support a child and a currently non-working mum. But I'm relatively frugal in other areas, so there's plenty left over for my PC.
If someone's a student or unemployed, then getting 2 bargain cards in SLI is probably the best bet. But for working people, I think top-end cards tend to work out better in the long run.
compared to AMD, Nvidia definitely has way less microstuttering. I can't say I've noticed much of it personally. Though in the graphs I've seen, SLI does tend to be slightly worse than single-GPU.
I think the Tech Report has been doing reviews looking at microstuttering for a while now (I think they were basically the ones to 'discover' it and blow the lid on AMDs terrible CrossfireX situation).
Up front, SLI is probably better value, though I don't know about the long term. Firstly, all those extra watts (I'm surprised it's only 50% more actually) are going to contribute to your power bill. Secondly, you'll probably get more of your money back when you eventually sell the cards during your next upgrade. You're more likely to upgrade sooner if you have two older cards too (not a problem in this case, since all the cards in question are from the 7xx generation).
I don't care about value though. This is my main hobby, so I'm happy to fork out to have the best. I'm not exactly rich - I earn less than the average, and I support a child and a currently non-working mum. But I'm relatively frugal in other areas, so there's plenty left over for my PC.
If someone's a student or unemployed, then getting 2 bargain cards in SLI is probably the best bet. But for working people, I think top-end cards tend to work out better in the long run.
I'm with Bo3b on this, and prefer SLI. That article was good, but like every other article that compares SLI and non-SLI they just talk about "high resolutions" or "multi-monitor", and never mention the value of SLI to 3d Vision gaming, which I think is significant. SLI and 3D Vision seem to be ideally paired together. I've just replaced 2x570 for a 770 (I will be getting another 770 later) and I can say that the 770 is far less smooth than the 2x570s were, with a much bigger difference between 3D and non-3D performance (I don't know why, not analyzed it). It's also a bit less powerful overall, but I knew that would be the case. I will also say that I never ever notice microstuttering anymore, and have not done for years. I similarly don't care about power bills, my utility bills are through the roof already... And I game with noise cancelling headphones so fan noise does not bother me in the slightest either. It is true that the 760 is 'last gen' tech in reality, but so what - it beats a 780 which it makes it currently a 'top of the pack' setup *now*, and does have a lot of life in it. And it's pretty darn cheap. The only reason I did not go with that setup is because it's less of an improvement for me from 2x570 than 2x770 (when I get my second one, which can't happen soon enough...)
I'm with Bo3b on this, and prefer SLI. That article was good, but like every other article that compares SLI and non-SLI they just talk about "high resolutions" or "multi-monitor", and never mention the value of SLI to 3d Vision gaming, which I think is significant. SLI and 3D Vision seem to be ideally paired together. I've just replaced 2x570 for a 770 (I will be getting another 770 later) and I can say that the 770 is far less smooth than the 2x570s were, with a much bigger difference between 3D and non-3D performance (I don't know why, not analyzed it). It's also a bit less powerful overall, but I knew that would be the case. I will also say that I never ever notice microstuttering anymore, and have not done for years. I similarly don't care about power bills, my utility bills are through the roof already... And I game with noise cancelling headphones so fan noise does not bother me in the slightest either. It is true that the 760 is 'last gen' tech in reality, but so what - it beats a 780 which it makes it currently a 'top of the pack' setup *now*, and does have a lot of life in it. And it's pretty darn cheap. The only reason I did not go with that setup is because it's less of an improvement for me from 2x570 than 2x770 (when I get my second one, which can't happen soon enough...)
Pretty great article. I finally read through the whole thing, and their FCAT tests are really first rate.
They also show that the dual 760 is actually better than a single Titan in 5 out of 6 tests. The failing test was Dirt 2, and definitely showed microstutter, albeit at the 70 FPS level. The Bioshock Infinite was also an interesting case where there are two sections that have dramatically lower performance than the single card.
The upshot is that neither choice is a bad choice. It's going to come down to personal preference, and how different things affect you. Some people notice microstutter, and some don't.
When I look at the minimum frame rates shown on their FCAT graphs, I see the SLI case dip below a single card more than I'd like. I care more about the minimum frame rates, because that's typically when everything is going south in a firefight, and I need it to be smooth. Using average frame rate is easily the dumbest way to test.
For value, it's hard to beat that 760 SLI combo. About $500, and actually outperforms a single Titan in half the titles they tested.
I also found SLI to be a natural match for 3D Vision, and am not sure, but it seems to me that the performance is smoother. I wish someone would even do Discover level testing to actually see. This could easily be psychological though.
For power consumption, I really think this is a red herring. If you game for 5 hours a day, that would be an extra 500 Watt-hours. So very much like leaving a 100W light on. That's 1/2 a Kwh per day. 365 days / 2 = 182.5 Kwh/year. If electricity is even an expensive 25c per Kwh (high tier), that's a whopping $45/year. A 100W light left on 24/7 is generally expected to be $100/year.
Last consideration would be VRAM. The 2G of 760s may or may not be enough. For future proofing, I really agree with Volnaiskra that you probably need 3G minimum. On the other hand, if you go with the cheaper SLI setup, you can always switch later when necessary.
It's an interesting question, that we've gone over a couple of times already. Still no super clear cut answer, I really think both solutions are terrific, and it depends more upon personal preference.
Pretty great article. I finally read through the whole thing, and their FCAT tests are really first rate.
They also show that the dual 760 is actually better than a single Titan in 5 out of 6 tests. The failing test was Dirt 2, and definitely showed microstutter, albeit at the 70 FPS level. The Bioshock Infinite was also an interesting case where there are two sections that have dramatically lower performance than the single card.
The upshot is that neither choice is a bad choice. It's going to come down to personal preference, and how different things affect you. Some people notice microstutter, and some don't.
When I look at the minimum frame rates shown on their FCAT graphs, I see the SLI case dip below a single card more than I'd like. I care more about the minimum frame rates, because that's typically when everything is going south in a firefight, and I need it to be smooth. Using average frame rate is easily the dumbest way to test.
For value, it's hard to beat that 760 SLI combo. About $500, and actually outperforms a single Titan in half the titles they tested.
I also found SLI to be a natural match for 3D Vision, and am not sure, but it seems to me that the performance is smoother. I wish someone would even do Discover level testing to actually see. This could easily be psychological though.
For power consumption, I really think this is a red herring. If you game for 5 hours a day, that would be an extra 500 Watt-hours. So very much like leaving a 100W light on. That's 1/2 a Kwh per day. 365 days / 2 = 182.5 Kwh/year. If electricity is even an expensive 25c per Kwh (high tier), that's a whopping $45/year. A 100W light left on 24/7 is generally expected to be $100/year.
Last consideration would be VRAM. The 2G of 760s may or may not be enough. For future proofing, I really agree with Volnaiskra that you probably need 3G minimum. On the other hand, if you go with the cheaper SLI setup, you can always switch later when necessary.
It's an interesting question, that we've gone over a couple of times already. Still no super clear cut answer, I really think both solutions are terrific, and it depends more upon personal preference.
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Yes, that's true that 3Dvision and SLI are a great match. It was silly of me to not factor that in.
As for microstuttering on SLI, I've not noticed it on my Titans. And I'm usually very sensitive to that sort of thing (If my framerate drops down from 60 to 58 I find it noticeable and jarring every time), so I'm almost certain I'd know it if it was happening.
However, my Titans haven't been pushed particularly hard yet. It's possible that they'll microstutter much more this time next year, when they're pushed to their limits with next-gen games.
It's also possible that microstuttering is less of an issue on 3Dvision systems, since the frames that each card has to render may tend to be more similar to each other (and therefore take the same time to render) than in 2D gaming.
Good points guys. Though I must say that in this age of CFL lightglobes, the very thought of leaving on a 100W light all day sounds outlandishly wasteful to my ears :D
Yes, that's true that 3Dvision and SLI are a great match. It was silly of me to not factor that in.
As for microstuttering on SLI, I've not noticed it on my Titans. And I'm usually very sensitive to that sort of thing (If my framerate drops down from 60 to 58 I find it noticeable and jarring every time), so I'm almost certain I'd know it if it was happening.
However, my Titans haven't been pushed particularly hard yet. It's possible that they'll microstutter much more this time next year, when they're pushed to their limits with next-gen games.
It's also possible that microstuttering is less of an issue on 3Dvision systems, since the frames that each card has to render may tend to be more similar to each other (and therefore take the same time to render) than in 2D gaming.
Good points guys. Though I must say that in this age of CFL lightglobes, the very thought of leaving on a 100W light all day sounds outlandishly wasteful to my ears :D
[quote="Volnaiskra"]Good points guys. Though I must say that in this age of CFL lightglobes, the very thought of leaving on a 100W light all day sounds outlandishly wasteful to my ears :D[/quote]
My entire house has the new modern low wattage lightbulbs now, so I guess I can justify it to myself that way ;-)
Volnaiskra said:Good points guys. Though I must say that in this age of CFL lightglobes, the very thought of leaving on a 100W light all day sounds outlandishly wasteful to my ears :D
My entire house has the new modern low wattage lightbulbs now, so I guess I can justify it to myself that way ;-)
Yeah, my power bills went down when I converted to all CFLs. And then shot back up when I started really pimping out my gaming rig :p I've definitely noticed the increase on my power bill.
I'm going to go all solar soon to make up for it (my last power company did solar, and I used to do 100% solar there - it's a bit more expensive, but worth it I think).
Yeah, my power bills went down when I converted to all CFLs. And then shot back up when I started really pimping out my gaming rig :p I've definitely noticed the increase on my power bill.
I'm going to go all solar soon to make up for it (my last power company did solar, and I used to do 100% solar there - it's a bit more expensive, but worth it I think).
Well, my main point is that it's not just wasted electricity, you actually get better performance for that extra juice. 6xx generation is less efficient than 7xx, but not at the 50% level.
If we use my Borderlands gun technique, I'm not sure why we are looking at 760 ($260) though, 670 ($325) is better performance, and 2x670 is closer to single 780 ($650) price.
Well, my main point is that it's not just wasted electricity, you actually get better performance for that extra juice. 6xx generation is less efficient than 7xx, but not at the 50% level.
If we use my Borderlands gun technique, I'm not sure why we are looking at 760 ($260) though, 670 ($325) is better performance, and 2x670 is closer to single 780 ($650) price.
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¿SLI GTX 760 OR ONE 780 for nVIDIA 3D Vision @1080P?
I DON'T KNOW IF BUY ONE OF THIS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130917
OR BUY TWO OF THESE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130934
PD: What about the power consumption of SLI 760 and ONE 780, ¿what is higher?
(I have a power supply of 850w corsair.)
Thanks!!!
The 760SLI are likely to give you better performance in some games, but probably worse performance in others (and are more prone to microstuttering). If you google some performance charts (eg. guru3d, tomshardware) you'll likely find a direct comparison to help you choose.
As for power, 760 SLI will give you close to twice the power consumption (twice the environmental impact, and twice the cost on your power bills). Also, twice the heat.....and about twice the noise.
760 SLI would be a bit of a cheap-and-nasty alternative compared to a single quiet, power- efficient and very robust 780.
EDIT: This article will help you: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_760_sli_review,1.html
Looks like 760 SLI gives generally better frames per second, but with less consistent frames (ie. with more microstuttering)
You'll probably get both opinions. In general I take the opposite tack, and SLI is typically higher performance for the same dollars spent. For example, dual 680 (or 690) is still higher performance than a single Titan. 2x680 = about $800.
There might be other factors you care more about, like power consumption, or getting latest generation. 760 cards use last gen parts for example, and are actually the same as 670 cards.
780 uses about 208 Watts during gaming, dual 760 about 300 Watts.
For me personally, getting value is more important, so I go with SLI whenever I can.
Edit: Nice article, thanks. I hadn't realized they used FCAT in that article. For Tomb Raider for example it demonstrates that no stuttering is happening.
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I think the Tech Report has been doing reviews looking at microstuttering for a while now (I think they were basically the ones to 'discover' it and blow the lid on AMDs terrible CrossfireX situation).
Up front, SLI is probably better value, though I don't know about the long term. Firstly, all those extra watts (I'm surprised it's only 50% more actually) are going to contribute to your power bill. Secondly, you'll probably get more of your money back when you eventually sell the cards during your next upgrade. You're more likely to upgrade sooner if you have two older cards too (not a problem in this case, since all the cards in question are from the 7xx generation).
I don't care about value though. This is my main hobby, so I'm happy to fork out to have the best. I'm not exactly rich - I earn less than the average, and I support a child and a currently non-working mum. But I'm relatively frugal in other areas, so there's plenty left over for my PC.
If someone's a student or unemployed, then getting 2 bargain cards in SLI is probably the best bet. But for working people, I think top-end cards tend to work out better in the long run.
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They also show that the dual 760 is actually better than a single Titan in 5 out of 6 tests. The failing test was Dirt 2, and definitely showed microstutter, albeit at the 70 FPS level. The Bioshock Infinite was also an interesting case where there are two sections that have dramatically lower performance than the single card.
The upshot is that neither choice is a bad choice. It's going to come down to personal preference, and how different things affect you. Some people notice microstutter, and some don't.
When I look at the minimum frame rates shown on their FCAT graphs, I see the SLI case dip below a single card more than I'd like. I care more about the minimum frame rates, because that's typically when everything is going south in a firefight, and I need it to be smooth. Using average frame rate is easily the dumbest way to test.
For value, it's hard to beat that 760 SLI combo. About $500, and actually outperforms a single Titan in half the titles they tested.
I also found SLI to be a natural match for 3D Vision, and am not sure, but it seems to me that the performance is smoother. I wish someone would even do Discover level testing to actually see. This could easily be psychological though.
For power consumption, I really think this is a red herring. If you game for 5 hours a day, that would be an extra 500 Watt-hours. So very much like leaving a 100W light on. That's 1/2 a Kwh per day. 365 days / 2 = 182.5 Kwh/year. If electricity is even an expensive 25c per Kwh (high tier), that's a whopping $45/year. A 100W light left on 24/7 is generally expected to be $100/year.
Last consideration would be VRAM. The 2G of 760s may or may not be enough. For future proofing, I really agree with Volnaiskra that you probably need 3G minimum. On the other hand, if you go with the cheaper SLI setup, you can always switch later when necessary.
It's an interesting question, that we've gone over a couple of times already. Still no super clear cut answer, I really think both solutions are terrific, and it depends more upon personal preference.
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As for microstuttering on SLI, I've not noticed it on my Titans. And I'm usually very sensitive to that sort of thing (If my framerate drops down from 60 to 58 I find it noticeable and jarring every time), so I'm almost certain I'd know it if it was happening.
However, my Titans haven't been pushed particularly hard yet. It's possible that they'll microstutter much more this time next year, when they're pushed to their limits with next-gen games.
It's also possible that microstuttering is less of an issue on 3Dvision systems, since the frames that each card has to render may tend to be more similar to each other (and therefore take the same time to render) than in 2D gaming.
Good points guys. Though I must say that in this age of CFL lightglobes, the very thought of leaving on a 100W light all day sounds outlandishly wasteful to my ears :D
My entire house has the new modern low wattage lightbulbs now, so I guess I can justify it to myself that way ;-)
Rig: Intel i7-8700K @4.7GHz, 16Gb Ram, SSD, GTX 1080Ti, Win10x64, Asus VG278
I'm going to go all solar soon to make up for it (my last power company did solar, and I used to do 100% solar there - it's a bit more expensive, but worth it I think).
If we use my Borderlands gun technique, I'm not sure why we are looking at 760 ($260) though, 670 ($325) is better performance, and 2x670 is closer to single 780 ($650) price.
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