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[quote name='Freke1' post='540868' date='May 14 2009, 12:36 AM']Just a opinion (my):
I think 2D to 3D video conversions is very similar to mono to stereo audio conversions. Basicly impossible or guesswork.[/quote]

My own opinion matches yours. :P
At least as an automatic procedure. If it's done manually decent results may be achieved but it would still not be true 3d. Besides, it would take an awful lot of time to do it.
[quote name='Freke1' post='540868' date='May 14 2009, 12:36 AM']Just a opinion (my):

I think 2D to 3D video conversions is very similar to mono to stereo audio conversions. Basicly impossible or guesswork.



My own opinion matches yours. :P

At least as an automatic procedure. If it's done manually decent results may be achieved but it would still not be true 3d. Besides, it would take an awful lot of time to do it.

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#31
Posted 05/13/2009 10:48 PM   
It's not just computing power but really advanced programming that we lack. This is a pattern-recognition problem on steroids. Once the objects in the scene are recognized, projecting the 2d image onto a re-created 3d scene is where the computing/rendering power comes in. Then you can get the other-eye view easily. Projecting back and forth is the easy part. Pattern recognition is hard for computers. Just last year I heard about how it was a big problem for a computer to recognize the difference between a dog and a cat. Your brain is more awesome than you think. We are at the point with this problem where voice-recognition was in the 70's. Easy to imagine it coming soon but close to 40 years later and I'm still typing this instead of talking it in. Maybe quantum computing will crack that nut.

I think some animation could look great if converted in a cardboard cutout style like paper mario. Did anyone see that "animated comic" on the DVD for that "I am Legend" movie. That's a prime candidate for that kind of project. I would definitely want to see a 3d conversion of that. Anyone else feel that way? I recommend you check it out if you get the chance.
It's not just computing power but really advanced programming that we lack. This is a pattern-recognition problem on steroids. Once the objects in the scene are recognized, projecting the 2d image onto a re-created 3d scene is where the computing/rendering power comes in. Then you can get the other-eye view easily. Projecting back and forth is the easy part. Pattern recognition is hard for computers. Just last year I heard about how it was a big problem for a computer to recognize the difference between a dog and a cat. Your brain is more awesome than you think. We are at the point with this problem where voice-recognition was in the 70's. Easy to imagine it coming soon but close to 40 years later and I'm still typing this instead of talking it in. Maybe quantum computing will crack that nut.



I think some animation could look great if converted in a cardboard cutout style like paper mario. Did anyone see that "animated comic" on the DVD for that "I am Legend" movie. That's a prime candidate for that kind of project. I would definitely want to see a 3d conversion of that. Anyone else feel that way? I recommend you check it out if you get the chance.

#32
Posted 05/14/2009 12:52 AM   
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='537748' date='May 5 2009, 03:55 PM']I assume it costs too much to mass-produce actual 3d media versions of movies, even ones that are made for 3d (i.e. Beowulf, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc). There just aren't enough people with nvidia 3d Vision (or iz3d, etc) to justify the cost of mass producing and distributing such media. This is where it comes back to marketing and whether or not nvidia is willing to bet on their technology's success. If they really truly believe in it, all they have to do is get Sony or Universal distribution behind it enough to start releasing 3d Blu-Rays. Once you can watch your favorite movie in 3d, nvidia 3d Vision systems will start flying off the shelves.

However, I don't think there's a technology that can turn 2d movies into 3d (yet). Although I imagine at some point we will see technology that can do for video what Dolby Pro Logic IIx does for audio. I doubt it will be anytime soon, though.[/quote]

I agree there isn't a technology to transform 2D in 3D (and there won't be)...You simply miss informations from the second point of view and can't calculate them automatically from something already rendered.

As for mass production of 3D movies I don't agree. As you can see, Amazon started selling 3D versions (in BluRay) of latest 3D movies (Journey to the Center of the Earth, My Bloody Valentine, etc) BUT they are in anaglyph...Someone in Field sequetial:

[url="http://www.amazon.com/3-D-on-DVD-VHS/lm/336ZMXMXOUU4W/ref=cm_lmt_srch_f_2_rsrsrs0"]http://www.amazon.com/3-D-on-DVD-VHS/lm/33...rch_f_2_rsrsrs0[/url]

I think we have to stay tuned, I guess it's cheap for them to include a stereophonic video track in Bluray movies, since they already have the rendered videos..
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='537748' date='May 5 2009, 03:55 PM']I assume it costs too much to mass-produce actual 3d media versions of movies, even ones that are made for 3d (i.e. Beowulf, Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc). There just aren't enough people with nvidia 3d Vision (or iz3d, etc) to justify the cost of mass producing and distributing such media. This is where it comes back to marketing and whether or not nvidia is willing to bet on their technology's success. If they really truly believe in it, all they have to do is get Sony or Universal distribution behind it enough to start releasing 3d Blu-Rays. Once you can watch your favorite movie in 3d, nvidia 3d Vision systems will start flying off the shelves.



However, I don't think there's a technology that can turn 2d movies into 3d (yet). Although I imagine at some point we will see technology that can do for video what Dolby Pro Logic IIx does for audio. I doubt it will be anytime soon, though.



I agree there isn't a technology to transform 2D in 3D (and there won't be)...You simply miss informations from the second point of view and can't calculate them automatically from something already rendered.



As for mass production of 3D movies I don't agree. As you can see, Amazon started selling 3D versions (in BluRay) of latest 3D movies (Journey to the Center of the Earth, My Bloody Valentine, etc) BUT they are in anaglyph...Someone in Field sequetial:



http://www.amazon.com/3-D-on-DVD-VHS/lm/33...rch_f_2_rsrsrs0



I think we have to stay tuned, I guess it's cheap for them to include a stereophonic video track in Bluray movies, since they already have the rendered videos..

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#33
Posted 05/18/2009 11:19 AM   
[quote name='shine007' post='542463' date='May 18 2009, 06:19 AM']I agree there isn't a technology to transform 2D in 3D (and there won't be)...You simply miss informations from the second point of view and can't calculate them automatically from something already rendered.[/quote]

Good example:
I thought about this some and came up with a good example of what could be done. Let's say you want to watch Nascar in 3d. The computer could have 3d models of the racetrack, all the cars, the stadium, the drivers, the announcers, etc. All that could be known ahead of time and then the computer could analyze the video and produce a blend of video and rendering. This I believe could be done someday soon because of the limited environment that the video is set in. The computer could figure out the needed info for the other eye. Neat huh? If not realtime, then it could just be processed for later viewing. Can I get any agreement on this? I'm not a Nascar fan but I would watch for a while at least. I think it could be really cool, but then why not just film it in stereo anyway? I guess it's cheaper not to. OK, maybe the announcers and drivers would not be good in 3d, but the cars should look good on the track. I think the sky should be no problem.

Starwars retraction:
I took a look at the Starwars movies and I have to say that I don't see that they would be any easier to convert than any other movie.

Later.
[quote name='shine007' post='542463' date='May 18 2009, 06:19 AM']I agree there isn't a technology to transform 2D in 3D (and there won't be)...You simply miss informations from the second point of view and can't calculate them automatically from something already rendered.



Good example:

I thought about this some and came up with a good example of what could be done. Let's say you want to watch Nascar in 3d. The computer could have 3d models of the racetrack, all the cars, the stadium, the drivers, the announcers, etc. All that could be known ahead of time and then the computer could analyze the video and produce a blend of video and rendering. This I believe could be done someday soon because of the limited environment that the video is set in. The computer could figure out the needed info for the other eye. Neat huh? If not realtime, then it could just be processed for later viewing. Can I get any agreement on this? I'm not a Nascar fan but I would watch for a while at least. I think it could be really cool, but then why not just film it in stereo anyway? I guess it's cheaper not to. OK, maybe the announcers and drivers would not be good in 3d, but the cars should look good on the track. I think the sky should be no problem.



Starwars retraction:

I took a look at the Starwars movies and I have to say that I don't see that they would be any easier to convert than any other movie.



Later.

#34
Posted 05/19/2009 06:50 AM   
To add to this topic I think it would be a very good move from NVIDIAs side to implement some kind of "Video on Demand" Service or "Itunes Store" for stereoscopic movies.
It seems that there are some Movies out there even tough they are from smaller companies that probably dont have the resources to publish them mass-market on bluray or dvd.

Im really no fan of DRM stuff but I would definitly pay a few $ to download and watch for example the animated movies from Red Star Studios or the 3D Versions of "Monsters vs Alien" and "bloody Valentine"

I think NVIDIA has the Network, Audience and resources to put up such a service and it would be in both their own interest and in the interest of the whole community because gaming alone is only half the market this technology should be targeted at.
To add to this topic I think it would be a very good move from NVIDIAs side to implement some kind of "Video on Demand" Service or "Itunes Store" for stereoscopic movies.

It seems that there are some Movies out there even tough they are from smaller companies that probably dont have the resources to publish them mass-market on bluray or dvd.



Im really no fan of DRM stuff but I would definitly pay a few $ to download and watch for example the animated movies from Red Star Studios or the 3D Versions of "Monsters vs Alien" and "bloody Valentine"



I think NVIDIA has the Network, Audience and resources to put up such a service and it would be in both their own interest and in the interest of the whole community because gaming alone is only half the market this technology should be targeted at.

#35
Posted 05/25/2009 01:40 PM   
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