[quote="bo3b"]The reason the old stuff no longer works is because they rewrote and redesigned the stereo driver. It's the nature of software development to obsolete old stuff, and they didn't do it just to piss us all off, they were trying to raise the bar on quality with their launch of 3D Vision.
None of your old DOS games work in Win7 anymore either. The driver model changed.
As d-man11 noted, if you really want to run the old stuff the same way you used to, you are going to have to use old drivers.
[quote="SomeDude0815"]My rig will probably explode, if I try to run a DX11 game in stereo 3D and I am too short on money to be this altruistic.[/quote]I gotta say- you are incensed that old games are no longer supported, and here is a chance to keep even more games running, and you can't spare $10?[/quote]
Although I'm obviously not an expert, I doubt that any significant effort was needed to keep support for older DX versions up to date. All those versions still work with Win7 after all and they don't change anymore. I also don't believe that the old support was too low quality to be kept. That sounds like a cheap excuse.
And I strongly object to treating old games like obsolete software. They aren't any more obsolete than old books, movies etc. Which is why people thankfully made emulators for virtually everything and there is pretty much nothing I can't run on Win7.
[quote="bo3b"][quote="SomeDude0815"]My rig will probably explode, if I try to run a DX11 game in stereo 3D and I am too short on money to be this altruistic.[/quote]I gotta say- you are incensed that old games are no longer supported, and here is a chance to keep even more games running, and you can't spare $10?[/quote]
I don't see why this is hard to understand. If you could point me to a project that tries to restore 3D Vision for old games (or old DX versions), I might even support it.
bo3b said:The reason the old stuff no longer works is because they rewrote and redesigned the stereo driver. It's the nature of software development to obsolete old stuff, and they didn't do it just to piss us all off, they were trying to raise the bar on quality with their launch of 3D Vision.
None of your old DOS games work in Win7 anymore either. The driver model changed.
As d-man11 noted, if you really want to run the old stuff the same way you used to, you are going to have to use old drivers.
SomeDude0815 said:My rig will probably explode, if I try to run a DX11 game in stereo 3D and I am too short on money to be this altruistic.
I gotta say- you are incensed that old games are no longer supported, and here is a chance to keep even more games running, and you can't spare $10?
Although I'm obviously not an expert, I doubt that any significant effort was needed to keep support for older DX versions up to date. All those versions still work with Win7 after all and they don't change anymore. I also don't believe that the old support was too low quality to be kept. That sounds like a cheap excuse.
And I strongly object to treating old games like obsolete software. They aren't any more obsolete than old books, movies etc. Which is why people thankfully made emulators for virtually everything and there is pretty much nothing I can't run on Win7.
bo3b said:
SomeDude0815 said:My rig will probably explode, if I try to run a DX11 game in stereo 3D and I am too short on money to be this altruistic.
I gotta say- you are incensed that old games are no longer supported, and here is a chance to keep even more games running, and you can't spare $10?
I don't see why this is hard to understand. If you could point me to a project that tries to restore 3D Vision for old games (or old DX versions), I might even support it.
[quote="SomeDude0815"]Although I'm obviously not an expert, I doubt that any significant effort was needed to keep support for older DX versions up to date. All those versions still work with Win7 after all and they don't change anymore. I also don't believe that the old support was too low quality to be kept. That sounds like a cheap excuse.
And I strongly object to treating old games like obsolete software. They aren't any more obsolete than old books, movies etc. Which is why people thankfully made emulators for virtually everything and there is pretty much nothing I can't run on Win7.[/quote]Well, all I can tell you is that they didn't do it on purpose, the technology changed too dramatically.
The games you are talking about are older than Vista.
Think back to Vista launch in 2006. Remember how nearly every thing was broken? Why Vista got a deservedly bad reputation? The reason is because Microsoft changed the driver model. This is not small change, this is rearchitecting the entire system. [i]Every [/i]driver was now broken, every one. Remember Creative, and how Vista nearly put them out of business?
NVidia's stereo driver was in the same boat. It was totally broken and they could try to fix it, or write a new one. It made more sense to them to rewrite it, and relaunch a new and improved 3D Vision with 120Hz monitors.
I understand your frustration, and I agree with you that we lose a lot by dropping old games.
And I'm not an apologist for Nvidia, they make a lot of mistakes and don't really give a damn about consumer 3D anymore. I just think we should be mad at them for the right reasons.
[quote="SomeDude0815"]I don't see why this is hard to understand. If you could point me to a project that tries to restore 3D Vision for old games (or old DX versions), I might even support it.[/quote]Well, one is for the past which cannot be changed. The other is for the future which was previously looking dark. Without DX11 support 3D Vision has the same future as the old stereoscopic driver.
SomeDude0815 said:Although I'm obviously not an expert, I doubt that any significant effort was needed to keep support for older DX versions up to date. All those versions still work with Win7 after all and they don't change anymore. I also don't believe that the old support was too low quality to be kept. That sounds like a cheap excuse.
And I strongly object to treating old games like obsolete software. They aren't any more obsolete than old books, movies etc. Which is why people thankfully made emulators for virtually everything and there is pretty much nothing I can't run on Win7.
Well, all I can tell you is that they didn't do it on purpose, the technology changed too dramatically.
The games you are talking about are older than Vista.
Think back to Vista launch in 2006. Remember how nearly every thing was broken? Why Vista got a deservedly bad reputation? The reason is because Microsoft changed the driver model. This is not small change, this is rearchitecting the entire system. Every driver was now broken, every one. Remember Creative, and how Vista nearly put them out of business?
NVidia's stereo driver was in the same boat. It was totally broken and they could try to fix it, or write a new one. It made more sense to them to rewrite it, and relaunch a new and improved 3D Vision with 120Hz monitors.
I understand your frustration, and I agree with you that we lose a lot by dropping old games.
And I'm not an apologist for Nvidia, they make a lot of mistakes and don't really give a damn about consumer 3D anymore. I just think we should be mad at them for the right reasons.
SomeDude0815 said:I don't see why this is hard to understand. If you could point me to a project that tries to restore 3D Vision for old games (or old DX versions), I might even support it.
Well, one is for the past which cannot be changed. The other is for the future which was previously looking dark. Without DX11 support 3D Vision has the same future as the old stereoscopic driver.
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Although I'm obviously not an expert, I doubt that any significant effort was needed to keep support for older DX versions up to date. All those versions still work with Win7 after all and they don't change anymore. I also don't believe that the old support was too low quality to be kept. That sounds like a cheap excuse.
And I strongly object to treating old games like obsolete software. They aren't any more obsolete than old books, movies etc. Which is why people thankfully made emulators for virtually everything and there is pretty much nothing I can't run on Win7.
I don't see why this is hard to understand. If you could point me to a project that tries to restore 3D Vision for old games (or old DX versions), I might even support it.
Here's a patch to increase support for DX11 games. Please help it.
The games you are talking about are older than Vista.
Think back to Vista launch in 2006. Remember how nearly every thing was broken? Why Vista got a deservedly bad reputation? The reason is because Microsoft changed the driver model. This is not small change, this is rearchitecting the entire system. Every driver was now broken, every one. Remember Creative, and how Vista nearly put them out of business?
NVidia's stereo driver was in the same boat. It was totally broken and they could try to fix it, or write a new one. It made more sense to them to rewrite it, and relaunch a new and improved 3D Vision with 120Hz monitors.
I understand your frustration, and I agree with you that we lose a lot by dropping old games.
And I'm not an apologist for Nvidia, they make a lot of mistakes and don't really give a damn about consumer 3D anymore. I just think we should be mad at them for the right reasons.
Well, one is for the past which cannot be changed. The other is for the future which was previously looking dark. Without DX11 support 3D Vision has the same future as the old stereoscopic driver.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers