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if you buy a 1080p DLP tv, can you run 3d games in 1080p (1920x1080) ? I read somewhere that you have to cult the rez in half, I do see that LCDs and Projectors require rez change, but the Nvidia manual says
DLP HDTV: >>Select a resolution of 1920x1080, 1768x992 or 1280x1024 and set the refresh rate to 60 Hz.

thx guys
if you buy a 1080p DLP tv, can you run 3d games in 1080p (1920x1080) ? I read somewhere that you have to cult the rez in half, I do see that LCDs and Projectors require rez change, but the Nvidia manual says

DLP HDTV: >>Select a resolution of 1920x1080, 1768x992 or 1280x1024 and set the refresh rate to 60 Hz.



thx guys

#1
Posted 10/10/2009 04:03 PM   
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599082' date='Oct 10 2009, 05:03 PM']if you buy a 1080p DLP tv, can you run 3d games in 1080p (1920x1080) ? I read somewhere that you have to cult the rez in half, I do see that LCDs and Projectors require rez change, but the Nvidia manual says
DLP HDTV: >>Select a resolution of 1920x1080, 1768x992 or 1280x1024 and set the refresh rate to 60 Hz.

thx guys[/quote]


If the DLP unit is true 1080p native (my projector is) then a PS3 (for a few games) or PC will display 1080p 60hz no issue, you will find most GPU handle 1080i as 1080p 30 hz ;) I think some the DLP tv's claim 100 hz now.

The only thing worth checking with a DLP tv-projector is the rainbow effect before you buy try a demo and take a blueray-DVD thats quite dark like "sin city" older or budget DLP have way more rainbow effect than new units. End credits are the best way to check how good or bad the DLP is for rainbow effects.

One thing to note is if you want a DLP for large screen you can go much larger and more portable with a projector verse a TV and the bulbs are way easier to change in general on the projectors. As the bulb life is the same for both the projector generally offer more fun ;) LCD or LED is nice for day to day as it lasts 10-30k hours no issue but DLP bulbs need chnaging every 3k hours or so. LED bulbs for DLP are coming but they are naff in bright rooms for now.
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599082' date='Oct 10 2009, 05:03 PM']if you buy a 1080p DLP tv, can you run 3d games in 1080p (1920x1080) ? I read somewhere that you have to cult the rez in half, I do see that LCDs and Projectors require rez change, but the Nvidia manual says

DLP HDTV: >>Select a resolution of 1920x1080, 1768x992 or 1280x1024 and set the refresh rate to 60 Hz.



thx guys





If the DLP unit is true 1080p native (my projector is) then a PS3 (for a few games) or PC will display 1080p 60hz no issue, you will find most GPU handle 1080i as 1080p 30 hz ;) I think some the DLP tv's claim 100 hz now.



The only thing worth checking with a DLP tv-projector is the rainbow effect before you buy try a demo and take a blueray-DVD thats quite dark like "sin city" older or budget DLP have way more rainbow effect than new units. End credits are the best way to check how good or bad the DLP is for rainbow effects.



One thing to note is if you want a DLP for large screen you can go much larger and more portable with a projector verse a TV and the bulbs are way easier to change in general on the projectors. As the bulb life is the same for both the projector generally offer more fun ;) LCD or LED is nice for day to day as it lasts 10-30k hours no issue but DLP bulbs need chnaging every 3k hours or so. LED bulbs for DLP are coming but they are naff in bright rooms for now.

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#2
Posted 10/10/2009 04:18 PM   
The biggest problem with a DLP is that you won't actually be running at 1920x1080 because of overscan. You will have to use the Nvidia control panel to adjust your screen, which will lower your resolution. My Mitsubishi 60737 for example, runs at 1768x992, anything higher goes off the screen. So in reality it is not much better than having a 22" monitor (resolution wise), BUT, the big screen effect is TOTALLY worth it.
The biggest problem with a DLP is that you won't actually be running at 1920x1080 because of overscan. You will have to use the Nvidia control panel to adjust your screen, which will lower your resolution. My Mitsubishi 60737 for example, runs at 1768x992, anything higher goes off the screen. So in reality it is not much better than having a 22" monitor (resolution wise), BUT, the big screen effect is TOTALLY worth it.

#3
Posted 10/10/2009 04:31 PM   
[quote name='dirtylarryuk' post='599088' date='Oct 10 2009, 12:18 PM']If the DLP unit is true 1080p native (my projector is) then a PS3 (for a few games) or PC will display 1080p 60hz no issue, you will find most GPU handle 1080i as 1080p 30 hz ;) I think some the DLP tv's claim 100 hz now.

The only thing worth checking with a DLP tv-projector is the rainbow effect before you buy try a demo and take a blueray-DVD thats quite dark like "sin city" older or budget DLP have way more rainbow effect than new units. End credits are the best way to check how good or bad the DLP is for rainbow effects.

One thing to note is if you want a DLP for large screen you can go much larger and more portable with a projector verse a TV and the bulbs are way easier to change in general on the projectors. As the bulb life is the same for both the projector generally offer more fun ;) LCD or LED is nice for day to day as it lasts 10-30k hours no issue but DLP bulbs need chnaging every 3k hours or so. LED bulbs for DLP are coming but they are naff in bright rooms for now.[/quote]

I never considered a projector... which one are you using? A project would actually hold a resale value too... unlike a DLP and I imagine it would look much teh same if not better? I'm very unfamilure with projectors... could you give me your opinion on that?
[quote name='dirtylarryuk' post='599088' date='Oct 10 2009, 12:18 PM']If the DLP unit is true 1080p native (my projector is) then a PS3 (for a few games) or PC will display 1080p 60hz no issue, you will find most GPU handle 1080i as 1080p 30 hz ;) I think some the DLP tv's claim 100 hz now.



The only thing worth checking with a DLP tv-projector is the rainbow effect before you buy try a demo and take a blueray-DVD thats quite dark like "sin city" older or budget DLP have way more rainbow effect than new units. End credits are the best way to check how good or bad the DLP is for rainbow effects.



One thing to note is if you want a DLP for large screen you can go much larger and more portable with a projector verse a TV and the bulbs are way easier to change in general on the projectors. As the bulb life is the same for both the projector generally offer more fun ;) LCD or LED is nice for day to day as it lasts 10-30k hours no issue but DLP bulbs need chnaging every 3k hours or so. LED bulbs for DLP are coming but they are naff in bright rooms for now.



I never considered a projector... which one are you using? A project would actually hold a resale value too... unlike a DLP and I imagine it would look much teh same if not better? I'm very unfamilure with projectors... could you give me your opinion on that?

#4
Posted 10/10/2009 04:33 PM   
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599096' date='Oct 10 2009, 05:33 PM']I never considered a projector... which one are you using? A project would actually hold a resale value too... unlike a DLP and I imagine it would look much teh same if not better? I'm very unfamilure with projectors... could you give me your opinion on that?[/quote]


I tested a few and went with Optoma as their warrenty was best.

Projector+, is huge screen size, downside-, is you really need to get a ceiling mount not to get a shadows of you head if you move about and you need a dark room to get the best from it.

DLp can compete with the very best plasmas and LCD's for true contrast, thrash them on colour and response (generally 0.02MS!) and also have scale chips that do real 1080p native etc. Several units in USA are from $1000. 720p units are dirt cheap and great for PS3 or DVD and allow 100" screen that look amazing from 8FT away.

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My optoma from 14ft away playing a blueray. Projectors need a half decent screen to project on (ones with glass beads help) and even motorised ones are not that pricey now, decent 90" screens are under £100. I have a large screen that measures 120" in 21:9 and about 90" in 16:9. it's rolled out to be 21:9 for films. cleiling mounts are almost universal as well.

So although no good for everyday use, unless you don't mind the bulb cost and being in a dark room, they rock for movies (blueray ESPECIALLY!) and your fav games.

Read some reviews of models in your price range, if you can find a dealer near you many will have them setup so you can view them working.

You never know how laggy 5nm is on LCD till you use DLP for a bit ;)

I would very much recommend a normal plasma LCD LED for a TV. But a DLP for fav games and Blueray if a movie lover.

Top end models are about $5k for true 1080p 60-50-24 and have frame int now so do a much better job of 24 FPS Bluray. But even the $1K models are very good now.
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599096' date='Oct 10 2009, 05:33 PM']I never considered a projector... which one are you using? A project would actually hold a resale value too... unlike a DLP and I imagine it would look much teh same if not better? I'm very unfamilure with projectors... could you give me your opinion on that?





I tested a few and went with Optoma as their warrenty was best.



Projector+, is huge screen size, downside-, is you really need to get a ceiling mount not to get a shadows of you head if you move about and you need a dark room to get the best from it.



DLp can compete with the very best plasmas and LCD's for true contrast, thrash them on colour and response (generally 0.02MS!) and also have scale chips that do real 1080p native etc. Several units in USA are from $1000. 720p units are dirt cheap and great for PS3 or DVD and allow 100" screen that look amazing from 8FT away.



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My optoma from 14ft away playing a blueray. Projectors need a half decent screen to project on (ones with glass beads help) and even motorised ones are not that pricey now, decent 90" screens are under £100. I have a large screen that measures 120" in 21:9 and about 90" in 16:9. it's rolled out to be 21:9 for films. cleiling mounts are almost universal as well.



So although no good for everyday use, unless you don't mind the bulb cost and being in a dark room, they rock for movies (blueray ESPECIALLY!) and your fav games.



Read some reviews of models in your price range, if you can find a dealer near you many will have them setup so you can view them working.



You never know how laggy 5nm is on LCD till you use DLP for a bit ;)



I would very much recommend a normal plasma LCD LED for a TV. But a DLP for fav games and Blueray if a movie lover.



Top end models are about $5k for true 1080p 60-50-24 and have frame int now so do a much better job of 24 FPS Bluray. But even the $1K models are very good now.

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2D: MSi 6970 2GB-QX9650-160GB SSD-TJ109. DISPLAYS:2D 120" 21:9 100HZ DLP 0.1MS, 3D 50" 400HZ Passive 0.5 MS 3D LED - 24" 120HZ 2MS Active N3D LCD, all 1080p

#5
Posted 10/10/2009 05:11 PM   
[quote name='redman223' post='599094' date='Oct 10 2009, 05:31 PM']The biggest problem with a DLP is that you won't actually be running at 1920x1080 because of overscan. You will have to use the Nvidia control panel to adjust your screen, which will lower your resolution. My Mitsubishi 60737 for example, runs at 1768x992, anything higher goes off the screen. So in reality it is not much better than having a 22" monitor (resolution wise), BUT, the big screen effect is TOTALLY worth it.[/quote]


Most of the projectors do a real 1920x1080 at 60-50-24 now the older models upscale especially the biz' models which are normally 16:10 format. they have pahsed out alot verse the true home cinema 1080p models. not sure about the DLP TV's as they have never caught on in the UK, the projectors did but not the TV's although the laser DLP's might.
[quote name='redman223' post='599094' date='Oct 10 2009, 05:31 PM']The biggest problem with a DLP is that you won't actually be running at 1920x1080 because of overscan. You will have to use the Nvidia control panel to adjust your screen, which will lower your resolution. My Mitsubishi 60737 for example, runs at 1768x992, anything higher goes off the screen. So in reality it is not much better than having a 22" monitor (resolution wise), BUT, the big screen effect is TOTALLY worth it.





Most of the projectors do a real 1920x1080 at 60-50-24 now the older models upscale especially the biz' models which are normally 16:10 format. they have pahsed out alot verse the true home cinema 1080p models. not sure about the DLP TV's as they have never caught on in the UK, the projectors did but not the TV's although the laser DLP's might.

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2D: MSi 6970 2GB-QX9650-160GB SSD-TJ109. DISPLAYS:2D 120" 21:9 100HZ DLP 0.1MS, 3D 50" 400HZ Passive 0.5 MS 3D LED - 24" 120HZ 2MS Active N3D LCD, all 1080p

#6
Posted 10/10/2009 05:14 PM   
Larry this is the one we scooped up ...But have yet to install something always seems to come up...I guess I may end up paying someone else to install it...But these uneven plaster walls will probably be and issue...So we will end up redoing one for this..


heres the one I picked up sorry cant review it for you yet..


[url="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4355383&Sku=V18-5150"]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...mp;Sku=V18-5150[/url]
Larry this is the one we scooped up ...But have yet to install something always seems to come up...I guess I may end up paying someone else to install it...But these uneven plaster walls will probably be and issue...So we will end up redoing one for this..





heres the one I picked up sorry cant review it for you yet..





http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...mp;Sku=V18-5150

In Memory Of Chris Arthington "One Cool Cat"

#7
Posted 10/10/2009 05:24 PM   
[quote name='ExtremeGrandpa' post='599109' date='Oct 10 2009, 01:24 PM']Larry this is the one we scooped up ...But have yet to install something always seems to come up...I guess I may end up paying someone else to install it...But these uneven plaster walls will probably be and issue...So we will end up redoing one for this..


heres the one I picked up sorry cant review it for you yet..


[url="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4355383&Sku=V18-5150"]http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...mp;Sku=V18-5150[/url][/quote]

I was watching a reivew and it said that that particualar projector is only 60 fileds per seccond. on that site you linked. doesnt the projector need to be 120hz to work?
[quote name='ExtremeGrandpa' post='599109' date='Oct 10 2009, 01:24 PM']Larry this is the one we scooped up ...But have yet to install something always seems to come up...I guess I may end up paying someone else to install it...But these uneven plaster walls will probably be and issue...So we will end up redoing one for this..





heres the one I picked up sorry cant review it for you yet..





http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...mp;Sku=V18-5150



I was watching a reivew and it said that that particualar projector is only 60 fileds per seccond. on that site you linked. doesnt the projector need to be 120hz to work?

#8
Posted 10/10/2009 05:33 PM   
I have an optoma hd70 (720p ) its great for gaming and films , what im writing for though is to tell you to wait on the projector thing just a little longer , optoma are bring out new ranges this year into next year of cheap projectors that do 120hz for stereo 3d , here more about it :

[url="http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/projectors/optoma-3d-ready-projectors-out-this-year--610734"]http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/...is-year--610734[/url]

also here a video :
[url="http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/2144-optoma-3d-projector-cedia-expo-london-2009"]http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/2144-optoma-3...xpo-london-2009[/url]

so what i say to you is just wait a little longer for a great stereo 3d exsperance , they also are making nvidia stereo glasses compatible with the system.
I have an optoma hd70 (720p ) its great for gaming and films , what im writing for though is to tell you to wait on the projector thing just a little longer , optoma are bring out new ranges this year into next year of cheap projectors that do 120hz for stereo 3d , here more about it :



http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/...is-year--610734



also here a video :

http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/2144-optoma-3...xpo-london-2009



so what i say to you is just wait a little longer for a great stereo 3d exsperance , they also are making nvidia stereo glasses compatible with the system.

#9
Posted 10/10/2009 05:53 PM   
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599112' date='Oct 10 2009, 01:33 PM']I was watching a reivew and it said that that particualar projector is only 60 fileds per seccond. on that site you linked. doesnt the projector need to be 120hz to work?[/quote]


You are correct I didnt pay attention to the section you posted in is geforce 3D vision......DOH /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' /> /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' />

I dont have 3D vision so thats not what I bought it for Sorry...I bought it to game on but not with the 3D vision


Once again I am sorry for wasting your time...
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599112' date='Oct 10 2009, 01:33 PM']I was watching a reivew and it said that that particualar projector is only 60 fileds per seccond. on that site you linked. doesnt the projector need to be 120hz to work?





You are correct I didnt pay attention to the section you posted in is geforce 3D vision......DOH /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' /> /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' />



I dont have 3D vision so thats not what I bought it for Sorry...I bought it to game on but not with the 3D vision





Once again I am sorry for wasting your time...

In Memory Of Chris Arthington "One Cool Cat"

#10
Posted 10/10/2009 05:58 PM   
[quote name='ExtremeGrandpa' post='599119' date='Oct 10 2009, 06:58 PM']You are correct I didnt pay attention to the section you posted in is geforce 3D vision......DOH /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' /> /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' />

I dont have 3D vision so thats not what I bought it for Sorry...I bought it to game on but not with the 3D vision


Once again I am sorry for wasting your time...[/quote]

the 120 HZ models should do 3d no issue, (although I want to see reviews!). 720p optoma (gametime) comes with 2 thumbs up from me, my mate bought one for his PS3 (as most ps3 games are 720p) and its still great for dvd and blueray. tested it with mine also running and for £400 its a great unit.

For PC use 1080p is better (for the big pc's).

Granp' just plug in hdmi, point at wall and bingo, give it ago ;) projectors work well on coffee tables pointing at walls, neighbours houses! they are just better when you get a fancy screen and for geek points the motorised screns makes freinds and family "oh and ah" last of all ceiling mount them, bar mine which has a manual zoom for 21:9-16:9 (god i wish that was automated!). New ones have that now!

I'm waiting for the LED ones to hit true 720p so i can tri head them for a 200"+ no bezel wraparound display, (so bars some GT300's thats 2010's budget spent lol) I doub't they will be 120MHZ though for another 12 months the LED models are far behind the metal halide models in spec but use tiny amounts of power and last for ever well 20k vs 3k hour per new bulb. So I can use that as a main display, currently i treat my 1080p model as a treat as the bulb cost £300 to change :). 6 months 400 hours already.

OP, the true 120HZ models that should be 99% N3d rdy are here very soon, current models can do 100hz at 1080p depending on exact model. The bif issue is if frame int' screws the 3d refresh on some models so reviews will be needed. because DLP has the best refresh rate and colour space of the display techs it should be the method to have huge size HD screens as the current nvidia recommended models are 1050p due to the bandwidth limitations with DVI.
[quote name='ExtremeGrandpa' post='599119' date='Oct 10 2009, 06:58 PM']You are correct I didnt pay attention to the section you posted in is geforce 3D vision......DOH /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' /> /argh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':argh:' />



I dont have 3D vision so thats not what I bought it for Sorry...I bought it to game on but not with the 3D vision





Once again I am sorry for wasting your time...



the 120 HZ models should do 3d no issue, (although I want to see reviews!). 720p optoma (gametime) comes with 2 thumbs up from me, my mate bought one for his PS3 (as most ps3 games are 720p) and its still great for dvd and blueray. tested it with mine also running and for £400 its a great unit.



For PC use 1080p is better (for the big pc's).



Granp' just plug in hdmi, point at wall and bingo, give it ago ;) projectors work well on coffee tables pointing at walls, neighbours houses! they are just better when you get a fancy screen and for geek points the motorised screns makes freinds and family "oh and ah" last of all ceiling mount them, bar mine which has a manual zoom for 21:9-16:9 (god i wish that was automated!). New ones have that now!



I'm waiting for the LED ones to hit true 720p so i can tri head them for a 200"+ no bezel wraparound display, (so bars some GT300's thats 2010's budget spent lol) I doub't they will be 120MHZ though for another 12 months the LED models are far behind the metal halide models in spec but use tiny amounts of power and last for ever well 20k vs 3k hour per new bulb. So I can use that as a main display, currently i treat my 1080p model as a treat as the bulb cost £300 to change :). 6 months 400 hours already.



OP, the true 120HZ models that should be 99% N3d rdy are here very soon, current models can do 100hz at 1080p depending on exact model. The bif issue is if frame int' screws the 3d refresh on some models so reviews will be needed. because DLP has the best refresh rate and colour space of the display techs it should be the method to have huge size HD screens as the current nvidia recommended models are 1050p due to the bandwidth limitations with DVI.

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2D: MSi 6970 2GB-QX9650-160GB SSD-TJ109. DISPLAYS:2D 120" 21:9 100HZ DLP 0.1MS, 3D 50" 400HZ Passive 0.5 MS 3D LED - 24" 120HZ 2MS Active N3D LCD, all 1080p

#11
Posted 10/10/2009 06:47 PM   
[quote name='ollyluck' post='599118' date='Oct 10 2009, 06:53 PM']I have an optoma hd70 (720p ) its great for gaming and films , what im writing for though is to tell you to wait on the projector thing just a little longer , optoma are bring out new ranges this year into next year of cheap projectors that do 120hz for stereo 3d , here more about it :

[url="http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/projectors/optoma-3d-ready-projectors-out-this-year--610734"]http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/...is-year--610734[/url]

also here a video :
[url="http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/2144-optoma-3d-projector-cedia-expo-london-2009"]http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/2144-optoma-3...xpo-london-2009[/url]

so what i say to you is just wait a little longer for a great stereo 3d exsperance , they also are making nvidia stereo glasses compatible with the system.[/quote]

Olly from what i have heard, the trick for true 1080p 120 HZ 60HZ per eye may be the same trick Ati have used for Eyefinity that "3d" projectors will have 2x HDMI 1.3 inputs and take 60HZ down each HDMI for each eye and then onboard the proj remake 120HZ. The same idea is how ATI have got round the issue of how do you make 1080px-1600px3 work for eyefinity. As DLP's 0.02 MS response will allow this and they have built most of the tech trying to sorts the jitter on 24 FPS bluray on DLP. the current units are 720p as they are trying to get the info down the same wire and DVI and HDMi hit a brick wall at 1050p.

So by 2011 100-200" 3d screens for PC games could be quite cheap and idiot proof to do.
[quote name='ollyluck' post='599118' date='Oct 10 2009, 06:53 PM']I have an optoma hd70 (720p ) its great for gaming and films , what im writing for though is to tell you to wait on the projector thing just a little longer , optoma are bring out new ranges this year into next year of cheap projectors that do 120hz for stereo 3d , here more about it :



http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/...is-year--610734



also here a video :

http://uk.cinenow.com/videos/2144-optoma-3...xpo-london-2009



so what i say to you is just wait a little longer for a great stereo 3d exsperance , they also are making nvidia stereo glasses compatible with the system.



Olly from what i have heard, the trick for true 1080p 120 HZ 60HZ per eye may be the same trick Ati have used for Eyefinity that "3d" projectors will have 2x HDMI 1.3 inputs and take 60HZ down each HDMI for each eye and then onboard the proj remake 120HZ. The same idea is how ATI have got round the issue of how do you make 1080px-1600px3 work for eyefinity. As DLP's 0.02 MS response will allow this and they have built most of the tech trying to sorts the jitter on 24 FPS bluray on DLP. the current units are 720p as they are trying to get the info down the same wire and DVI and HDMi hit a brick wall at 1050p.



So by 2011 100-200" 3d screens for PC games could be quite cheap and idiot proof to do.

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2D: MSi 6970 2GB-QX9650-160GB SSD-TJ109. DISPLAYS:2D 120" 21:9 100HZ DLP 0.1MS, 3D 50" 400HZ Passive 0.5 MS 3D LED - 24" 120HZ 2MS Active N3D LCD, all 1080p

#12
Posted 10/10/2009 07:07 PM   
[quote name='dirtylarryuk' post='599144' date='Oct 10 2009, 03:07 PM']Olly from what i have heard, the trick for true 1080p 120 HZ 60HZ per eye may be the same trick Ati have used for Eyefinity that "3d" projectors will have 2x HDMI 1.3 inputs and take 60HZ down each HDMI for each eye and then onboard the proj remake 120HZ. The same idea is how ATI have got round the issue of how do you make 1080px-1600px3 work for eyefinity. As DLP's 0.02 MS response will allow this and they have built most of the tech trying to sorts the jitter on 24 FPS bluray on DLP. the current units are 720p as they are trying to get the info down the same wire and DVI and HDMi hit a brick wall at 1050p.

So by 2011 100-200" 3d screens for PC games could be quite cheap and idiot proof to do.[/quote]

sorry... but after reading the back and forth stuffz... i'm confused beyond all hell.

Do you guys think I should go DLP (as in TV) 1080p or one of the nVidia recomended 3d Projectors (only 1024x768). The reason I can decide, is because I read that the DLP resolution will be cut in half if I use 3D. So what's the point of even getting a 1080p TV right?

Assume that I get a [url="http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD60737"]http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD60737[/url] (WD 60737 DLP TV)... will I be able to play my games in 3d at full resolution? I'm not quite grasping this tech as well as I should be, info is fairly limited and it seems to be very new. Thanks again for your time.
[quote name='dirtylarryuk' post='599144' date='Oct 10 2009, 03:07 PM']Olly from what i have heard, the trick for true 1080p 120 HZ 60HZ per eye may be the same trick Ati have used for Eyefinity that "3d" projectors will have 2x HDMI 1.3 inputs and take 60HZ down each HDMI for each eye and then onboard the proj remake 120HZ. The same idea is how ATI have got round the issue of how do you make 1080px-1600px3 work for eyefinity. As DLP's 0.02 MS response will allow this and they have built most of the tech trying to sorts the jitter on 24 FPS bluray on DLP. the current units are 720p as they are trying to get the info down the same wire and DVI and HDMi hit a brick wall at 1050p.



So by 2011 100-200" 3d screens for PC games could be quite cheap and idiot proof to do.



sorry... but after reading the back and forth stuffz... i'm confused beyond all hell.



Do you guys think I should go DLP (as in TV) 1080p or one of the nVidia recomended 3d Projectors (only 1024x768). The reason I can decide, is because I read that the DLP resolution will be cut in half if I use 3D. So what's the point of even getting a 1080p TV right?



Assume that I get a http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD60737 (WD 60737 DLP TV)... will I be able to play my games in 3d at full resolution? I'm not quite grasping this tech as well as I should be, info is fairly limited and it seems to be very new. Thanks again for your time.

#13
Posted 10/10/2009 07:48 PM   
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599153' date='Oct 10 2009, 08:48 PM']sorry... but after reading the back and forth stuffz... i'm confused beyond all hell.

Do you guys think I should go DLP (as in TV) 1080p or one of the nVidia recomended 3d Projectors (only 1024x768). The reason I can decide, is because I read that the DLP resolution will be cut in half if I use 3D. So what's the point of even getting a 1080p TV right?

Assume that I get a [url="http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD60737"]http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD60737[/url] (WD 60737 DLP TV)... will I be able to play my games in 3d at full resolution? I'm not quite grasping this tech as well as I should be, info is fairly limited and it seems to be very new. Thanks again for your time.[/quote]

Zan, the issue is 120HZ (60 HZ 60 FPS) per eye (thats how 3d works) is to much bandwidth over 1050p. its an issue for DVI and HDMI and display port. This is why triple head (3 screens works at 1050p) on a matrox box. and 1050px3 was the max res, 3d or 3 screens hit the bandidth ceiling. now there is way round by using 1-2 gpus to input 2 signals to a display that remerges the signal as 60-60=120. This is kinda how ATI eyefinity can power 1080px3. In 2010 projectors or TV's that can do this may appear or Nvidia may build this into the gt300 so the GPU with the right display could do 1600p in 3d! basically the display makers and gpu makers have to work together.

Simple solution is to wait for the projectors to hit true 1080p (and or DLP TV's or LED backlite displays). Current tech has a bottlneck with refresh rates at 120HZ at 1080P for the way Nvidia does 3d. For 3d right now the cheap 22" 1050p display are great and very cheap with the glasses for larger displays everything in is limibo as you either work off native or not at the 100% correct refresh which will cuases issues over time.

If buying a new display that will be used for [b]PC games[/b] and say reading webpages etc etc a true 1080p native will not only give overall more life at 1080p 60HZ, it is going to be the TV standard for quite some time. If 3d is a must as in nvidia 3d, it may be best to wait for the new options in 2010 as right the only noob proof option are the nvidia recommended displays. Larger screens can work but unless tested and recommend be warned many 100HZ + screens are not going to be prefect for Nvidia 3d compared to the new solutions coming in 2010.

Currently a projector that has over 60 HZ can try and mix and match refresh and res to get a Nvidia 3d image, Ati have found a way round this bottleneck with the 5870 for tri head (3 displays) and its suspected Nvidia may follow with the Gt300 or Display makers with chips in their hardware mixing 2 signals.

720p isnt a bad res but you do need to throw alot of AA at it to make it as pleasent as 1080p and Alias is even more annoying in 3d than 2d. ;)'

So right now you can geta 1080p display that "may have limited use in N3d, but be perfect for normal 1080p games and films. By Q1-2 720p 3d projectors should be here. But the killer question is does th Gt300 chnage the rules? if it outputs 2 HMDI 60 FPS signals and new displays can remerge that into a 120HZ signal for 3d. Job done, and that could happen in 2010.

So the link you sent me gives you Crysis and media like this.

[img]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w270/dirtylarrygb/cryfar169.jpg[/img]
Crysis from 13FT

[img]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w270/dirtylarrygb/crynear169.jpg[/img]
Crysis from 6FT

Basically Physcko is lifesize to the viewer in this image on a 120" screen.

The best big screen, colors and true cinema contrast is from a DLP projector (also best refresh for games) but not [b]100%[/b] 3d rdy, so add a 720p-1080p dlp projector add a cheap 1050p LCD 3d rdy screen you have best of both worlds and the 3d screen can be used a main screen as it should have a 20-30k lifespan. The DLP is better for non 3d games and movies. The cost for both starts from $700'ish (720p dlp) upto around $1500 for 1080p DLP and best of 3d 1050p screens and glasses.
[quote name='zanthrax' post='599153' date='Oct 10 2009, 08:48 PM']sorry... but after reading the back and forth stuffz... i'm confused beyond all hell.



Do you guys think I should go DLP (as in TV) 1080p or one of the nVidia recomended 3d Projectors (only 1024x768). The reason I can decide, is because I read that the DLP resolution will be cut in half if I use 3D. So what's the point of even getting a 1080p TV right?



Assume that I get a http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD60737 (WD 60737 DLP TV)... will I be able to play my games in 3d at full resolution? I'm not quite grasping this tech as well as I should be, info is fairly limited and it seems to be very new. Thanks again for your time.



Zan, the issue is 120HZ (60 HZ 60 FPS) per eye (thats how 3d works) is to much bandwidth over 1050p. its an issue for DVI and HDMI and display port. This is why triple head (3 screens works at 1050p) on a matrox box. and 1050px3 was the max res, 3d or 3 screens hit the bandidth ceiling. now there is way round by using 1-2 gpus to input 2 signals to a display that remerges the signal as 60-60=120. This is kinda how ATI eyefinity can power 1080px3. In 2010 projectors or TV's that can do this may appear or Nvidia may build this into the gt300 so the GPU with the right display could do 1600p in 3d! basically the display makers and gpu makers have to work together.



Simple solution is to wait for the projectors to hit true 1080p (and or DLP TV's or LED backlite displays). Current tech has a bottlneck with refresh rates at 120HZ at 1080P for the way Nvidia does 3d. For 3d right now the cheap 22" 1050p display are great and very cheap with the glasses for larger displays everything in is limibo as you either work off native or not at the 100% correct refresh which will cuases issues over time.



If buying a new display that will be used for PC games and say reading webpages etc etc a true 1080p native will not only give overall more life at 1080p 60HZ, it is going to be the TV standard for quite some time. If 3d is a must as in nvidia 3d, it may be best to wait for the new options in 2010 as right the only noob proof option are the nvidia recommended displays. Larger screens can work but unless tested and recommend be warned many 100HZ + screens are not going to be prefect for Nvidia 3d compared to the new solutions coming in 2010.



Currently a projector that has over 60 HZ can try and mix and match refresh and res to get a Nvidia 3d image, Ati have found a way round this bottleneck with the 5870 for tri head (3 displays) and its suspected Nvidia may follow with the Gt300 or Display makers with chips in their hardware mixing 2 signals.



720p isnt a bad res but you do need to throw alot of AA at it to make it as pleasent as 1080p and Alias is even more annoying in 3d than 2d. ;)'



So right now you can geta 1080p display that "may have limited use in N3d, but be perfect for normal 1080p games and films. By Q1-2 720p 3d projectors should be here. But the killer question is does th Gt300 chnage the rules? if it outputs 2 HMDI 60 FPS signals and new displays can remerge that into a 120HZ signal for 3d. Job done, and that could happen in 2010.



So the link you sent me gives you Crysis and media like this.



Image

Crysis from 13FT



Image

Crysis from 6FT



Basically Physcko is lifesize to the viewer in this image on a 120" screen.



The best big screen, colors and true cinema contrast is from a DLP projector (also best refresh for games) but not 100% 3d rdy, so add a 720p-1080p dlp projector add a cheap 1050p LCD 3d rdy screen you have best of both worlds and the 3d screen can be used a main screen as it should have a 20-30k lifespan. The DLP is better for non 3d games and movies. The cost for both starts from $700'ish (720p dlp) upto around $1500 for 1080p DLP and best of 3d 1050p screens and glasses.

Image


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#14
Posted 10/11/2009 10:05 AM   
i have one of the new Viewsonic Projectors (PJD6211).

It has a res. of 1024x768 and it refreshes @ 120hz.

After some initial setup issues, i must say that for less than £400 i think it the dogs twitcher.

The lack of 1080p res. is'nt really an issue for 3D games because the image is effectivly rendered twice so you get great clarity.

It might be an issue at only 720p for movies ....?

but for a relatively cheap solution i would recommend it as 3D games with an game that size is out of this world.
i have one of the new Viewsonic Projectors (PJD6211).



It has a res. of 1024x768 and it refreshes @ 120hz.



After some initial setup issues, i must say that for less than £400 i think it the dogs twitcher.



The lack of 1080p res. is'nt really an issue for 3D games because the image is effectivly rendered twice so you get great clarity.



It might be an issue at only 720p for movies ....?



but for a relatively cheap solution i would recommend it as 3D games with an game that size is out of this world.

#15
Posted 10/12/2009 08:30 AM   
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