Sound Blaster Z Gaming Pack
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[quote="GibsonRed"]Get some real ones like AKG or sennheisers.[/quote] Now THAT... I like;) And I am a noob when it comes to sound, yet even me with my "one ear" can "smell and feel" the difference on those babies;) http://en-uk.sennheiser.com/high-end-headphones Believe it or not, but I managed to get my hands on a "HD 800 S" series (just don't look at the price... I didn't pay for them)... And all I can tell is that.. is purely AWESOME! Compared them with lots of headphones (even my very old High-Definition Technics headset - for those who remember the company). It pales in comparison to everything... To bad they are so expensive, as I would have bought another set for me...:(
GibsonRed said:Get some real ones like AKG or sennheisers.


Now THAT... I like;) And I am a noob when it comes to sound, yet even me with my "one ear" can "smell and feel" the difference on those babies;)

http://en-uk.sennheiser.com/high-end-headphones

Believe it or not, but I managed to get my hands on a "HD 800 S" series (just don't look at the price... I didn't pay for them)... And all I can tell is that.. is purely AWESOME! Compared them with lots of headphones (even my very old High-Definition Technics headset - for those who remember the company).
It pales in comparison to everything...
To bad they are so expensive, as I would have bought another set for me...:(

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#16
Posted 01/19/2017 12:28 AM   
[quote="GibsonRed"]Fuck those shitty headphones. Get some real ones like AKG or sennheisers. You will never go back to 'gaming' toy headphones. You might as well buy some Mickey Mouse ones if you are buying them from an audio perspective. The next windows update will have Dolby atmos pass through embedded into windows and probably DTSX headphone/Dolby atmos headphone which work with stereo headphones. The AKG's I have had lasted years and I've worn them for over 8 hour recording sessions with no discomfort. I also have some ultimate ear tri if 10's with custom ACS ear molds and they sound awesome. Real bitch to get on and off though. Have a look at the AKG K701's Use the headphones that they use in real recording studios. Not some gaming bollocks.[/quote] [color="orange"]Pure BS !! You obviously don't know a thing about this headset !![/color] I dislike AKG for lots of reasons, Sennheiser makes some of the finest headphones no doubt on that ! Stax also makes some great (and expensive) electrostatic headphones.. BUT... I was NOT looking for a pair of HIFI headphones, and I also didn't want to spend more than arround 100 buck !! You simply can't get any decent HIFI headphones for this price ! helifax @ I remember Technics very well, the company was very famous for their extremely well crafted HIFI equipment. I was in love with this beautifull baby, never got the dove for it though :P [img]https://forums.geforce.com/cmd/default/download-comment-attachment/71398/[/img]
GibsonRed said:Fuck those shitty headphones. Get some real ones like AKG or sennheisers.
You will never go back to 'gaming' toy headphones.
You might as well buy some Mickey Mouse ones if you are buying them from an audio perspective.
The next windows update will have Dolby atmos pass through embedded into windows and probably DTSX headphone/Dolby atmos headphone which work with stereo headphones.

The AKG's I have had lasted years and I've worn them for over 8 hour recording sessions with no discomfort.
I also have some ultimate ear tri if 10's with custom ACS ear molds and they sound awesome. Real bitch to get on and off though.

Have a look at the AKG K701's
Use the headphones that they use in real recording studios. Not some gaming bollocks.


Pure BS !!
You obviously don't know a thing about this headset !!



I dislike AKG for lots of reasons, Sennheiser makes some of the finest headphones no doubt on that ! Stax also makes some great (and expensive) electrostatic headphones..
BUT... I was NOT looking for a pair of HIFI headphones, and I also didn't want to spend more than arround 100 buck !!
You simply can't get any decent HIFI headphones for this price !


helifax @ I remember Technics very well, the company was very famous for their extremely well crafted HIFI equipment. I was in love with this beautifull baby, never got the dove for it though :P

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#17
Posted 01/19/2017 04:04 PM   
Ahhh blacksmith. I don't want to go to deep into this but read this and have a look at the frequency response graph for these headphones you've bought. http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-2844049/hyperx-cloud-headset-gap.html When you read frequency response charts, remember that +3db is twice the sound pressure level (I.e twice as loud in science terms) If something is more than +\- 6db it sounds twice as loud (or quiet) to the human ear. The chart for the headphones you have are far from a flat frequency response. Look at 4khz. It dips by over 15db. That is quite frankly shit! People moaning about the right and left driver also sounding different. They do get good reviews but they are being reviewed by total plebs who wouldn't know a good sound if it bit their bollocks off. They might sound good for gaming headphones but that makes it the cream of the crap. Lower end studio headphones will sound better. Hence the reason I suggested AKG and sennheiser. Helifax. They are some seriously nice headphones. You can't beat a decent set of cans! I know I shouldn't compare Helifax expensive headphones to the hyperactive cloud but look at the frequency response graph for his headphones... http://www.head-fi.org/t/433059/sennheiser-hd800-certificate-for-frequency-response-arrived/210 The closer to flat the better. That's before we even look at transient response, decay times etc.... Any gaming headphones you can buy at a certain price will sound worse that studio headphones at the equivalent price. I also remember technics and still use some of their stuff. There's obviously the technics 1210 turntables that are classic and my dad bought a technics separate hifi system in 1973 (for £754) with some celestion ditton 44 speakers that are still working today. I'm really fussy with my audio, as you can probably tell. I have an atmos setup with 11 active speakers going through a marantz Prepro with balanced outputs. My favourite speakers at the moment are my Adam A77X which sound unreal!
Ahhh blacksmith. I don't want to go to deep into this but read this and have a look at the frequency response graph for these headphones you've bought.
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-2844049/hyperx-cloud-headset-gap.html

When you read frequency response charts, remember that +3db is twice the sound pressure level (I.e twice as loud in science terms)
If something is more than +\- 6db it sounds twice as loud (or quiet) to the human ear.
The chart for the headphones you have are far from a flat frequency response. Look at 4khz. It dips by over 15db. That is quite frankly shit!
People moaning about the right and left driver also sounding different.
They do get good reviews but they are being reviewed by total plebs who wouldn't know a good sound if it bit their bollocks off.
They might sound good for gaming headphones but that makes it the cream of the crap. Lower end studio headphones will sound better. Hence the reason I suggested AKG and sennheiser.

Helifax. They are some seriously nice headphones. You can't beat a decent set of cans!
I know I shouldn't compare Helifax expensive headphones to the hyperactive cloud but look at the frequency response graph for his headphones...

http://www.head-fi.org/t/433059/sennheiser-hd800-certificate-for-frequency-response-arrived/210

The closer to flat the better. That's before we even look at transient response, decay times etc....
Any gaming headphones you can buy at a certain price will sound worse that studio headphones at the equivalent price.

I also remember technics and still use some of their stuff.
There's obviously the technics 1210 turntables that are classic and my dad bought a technics separate hifi system in 1973 (for £754) with some celestion ditton 44 speakers that are still working today.

I'm really fussy with my audio, as you can probably tell.

I have an atmos setup with 11 active speakers going through a marantz Prepro with balanced outputs.
My favourite speakers at the moment are my Adam A77X which sound unreal!

#18
Posted 01/21/2017 09:58 AM   
GibsonRed@ Every thing you say is technically right ! BUT... In my ears, and a lot of others they sound damn good, for the asking price, and that is all that matters in the end. I'm nearly 58 years old and I have a lot of experience with HiFi, frequency responses and so on, in my living room is Audiolabs 8000Q series with dual mono amps with biwiring to my B&W CM9 S2.. It doesn't have a completely flat frequency response, but I'm very happy whit it.. And same goes for my gaming headphones, I like what I hear :) Yeah.. it dibs in the 4KHZ range wich I allready has compensated for in my ROG Supremefx software. What really impresses me is the ambience and the distinct sublevel, that suits action games soo nicely :) There's more to it than just charts, it's totally legit to have personal preferences that goes beyound that :)
GibsonRed@ Every thing you say is technically right !

BUT... In my ears, and a lot of others they sound damn good, for the asking price, and that is all that matters in the end.

I'm nearly 58 years old and I have a lot of experience with HiFi, frequency responses and so on, in my living room is Audiolabs 8000Q series with dual mono amps with biwiring to my B&W CM9 S2..

It doesn't have a completely flat frequency response, but I'm very happy whit it..
And same goes for my gaming headphones, I like what I hear :)

Yeah.. it dibs in the 4KHZ range wich I allready has compensated for in my ROG Supremefx software.
What really impresses me is the ambience and the distinct sublevel, that suits action games soo nicely :)

There's more to it than just charts, it's totally legit to have personal preferences that goes beyound that :)

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#19
Posted 01/21/2017 11:04 AM   
You are right. If it sounds good to you, that's all that counts. For what they cost as well, you can't really go wrong. That's a nice setup BTW with the B&W's. Boosting the bass and highs (smiley face EQ) does sound better to most people. Sorry if I came across as a beard stroking elitist muso but I like my audio true. At the end of the day, If you use the same speaker/headphone/DAC setup as the studios used where the music/game/movie was mixed, you are more likely to get a true representation of the original sound. 'The way it's meant to be heard' if you like. :D That's what annoys me with Nvidia's 3DTV Play. Playing 720p resolution on a 1080p screen is like listening to an MP3 in a recording studio! It appears Nvidia has no pride in its products and tech! Profits at the sacrifice of functionality, customer needs and support is unsustainable! Especially with the competition that is coming in the next few months! :D CPU's and Gfx cards are going to get a lot cheaper soon! :D
You are right. If it sounds good to you, that's all that counts.
For what they cost as well, you can't really go wrong.
That's a nice setup BTW with the B&W's.
Boosting the bass and highs (smiley face EQ) does sound better to most people.

Sorry if I came across as a beard stroking elitist muso but I like my audio true.

At the end of the day, If you use the same speaker/headphone/DAC setup as the studios used where the music/game/movie was mixed, you are more likely to get a true representation of the original sound.
'The way it's meant to be heard' if you like. :D

That's what annoys me with Nvidia's 3DTV Play. Playing 720p resolution on a 1080p screen is like listening to an MP3 in a recording studio!

It appears Nvidia has no pride in its products and tech! Profits at the sacrifice of functionality, customer needs and support is unsustainable!
Especially with the competition that is coming in the next few months! :D

CPU's and Gfx cards are going to get a lot cheaper soon! :D

#20
Posted 01/21/2017 11:22 AM   
[quote="GibsonRed"] Sorry if I came across as a beard stroking elitist muso but I like my audio true. At the end of the day, If you use the same speaker/headphone/DAC setup as the studios used where the music/game/movie was mixed, you are more likely to get a true representation of the original sound. 'The way it's meant to be heard' if you like. :D [/quote] No harm done mate :) Thats what it's all about "High Fidelity", I've been hunting the "perfect" setup all my life, I'll most likely never be complety satisfied, and that's what makes it fun :D Edit: in this part of the world the smiley face EQ is called Hammock EQ ;) and NO I don't like that, but for gaming a little push in the sublevels is nice:)
GibsonRed said:

Sorry if I came across as a beard stroking elitist muso but I like my audio true.

At the end of the day, If you use the same speaker/headphone/DAC setup as the studios used where the music/game/movie was mixed, you are more likely to get a true representation of the original sound.
'The way it's meant to be heard' if you like. :D


No harm done mate :)

Thats what it's all about "High Fidelity", I've been hunting the "perfect" setup all my life, I'll most likely never be complety satisfied, and that's what makes it fun :D

Edit: in this part of the world the smiley face EQ is called Hammock EQ ;) and NO I don't like that, but for gaming a little push in the sublevels is nice:)

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CPU: 4790K 4.8 GHZ
GPU: Asus Geforce RTX 2080 TI Rog Strix OC
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
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#21
Posted 01/21/2017 11:38 AM   
Damn straight! :D I've just bought some alpha series bass traps from GIK acoustics. The difference these have made are unreal. Forget all these room correction software setups. Fixing the room at source is the best way. Seriously, Acoustic treatment is one of the biggest (and cheapest) upgrades you can buy. Might be worth checking out if you're after audio nirvana... http://gikacoustics.co.uk/product/corner-ct-alpha-bass-trap/ You can make your own if it costs too much but the difference in sound quality is massive. When listening to your speakers you want to hear the sound coming from the speaker to your ear. If your room isn't treated you hear the sound coming from the speaker to your ear, but also the sound from the speaker hitting a wall and then reflecting to your ear. This reflected sound is slightly later than the direct sound from the speaker to your ear. This causes phasing issues which results in frequency cancellation or propagation which obviously affects the frequency response that you hear. Acoustic treatment absorbs the reflected sound whilst the diffusor on the front scatters the higher frequencies (instead of absorbing them) to stop the room sounding 'dull' Anyway, might be worth a look to help get you closer to audio nirvana! :D
Damn straight! :D
I've just bought some alpha series bass traps from GIK acoustics.
The difference these have made are unreal.
Forget all these room correction software setups. Fixing the room at source is the best way.
Seriously, Acoustic treatment is one of the biggest (and cheapest) upgrades you can buy.

Might be worth checking out if you're after audio nirvana...


http://gikacoustics.co.uk/product/corner-ct-alpha-bass-trap/


You can make your own if it costs too much but the difference in sound quality is massive.

When listening to your speakers you want to hear the sound coming from the speaker to your ear.
If your room isn't treated you hear the sound coming from the speaker to your ear, but also the sound from the speaker hitting a wall and then reflecting to your ear.
This reflected sound is slightly later than the direct sound from the speaker to your ear.
This causes phasing issues which results in frequency cancellation or propagation which obviously affects the frequency response that you hear.

Acoustic treatment absorbs the reflected sound whilst the diffusor on the front scatters the higher frequencies (instead of absorbing them) to stop the room sounding 'dull'

Anyway, might be worth a look to help get you closer to audio nirvana! :D

#22
Posted 01/21/2017 11:48 AM   
It seems that there's a hacked version of Alchemy available for Realtek owners, it can be found on PC Gaming Wiki http://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/28-creative-alchemy-universal/ Explanation of Alchemy and a list of the games it works with. http://support.creative.com/kb/showarticle.aspx?sid=28967 Video showing how to use it, as well as how to add games that are not automatically populated into the enabled list. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLj9obfMppk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO4WWOJbGX8 edit: oh and for those of you that do not know how you can hook up surround speakers to a sound card, just look at the connection options in this manual. It's basically the same on all soundcards/mobos, although your various outputs might be orientated differently. http://support.creative.com/manuals/download.aspx?nDownloadId=12671&prodName=Sound%20Blaster%20Z_Zx%20UG%20Eng
It seems that there's a hacked version of Alchemy available for Realtek owners, it can be found on PC Gaming Wiki
http://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/28-creative-alchemy-universal/

Explanation of Alchemy and a list of the games it works with.
http://support.creative.com/kb/showarticle.aspx?sid=28967

Video showing how to use it, as well as how to add games that are not automatically populated into the enabled list.





edit: oh and for those of you that do not know how you can hook up surround speakers to a sound card, just look at the connection options in this manual. It's basically the same on all soundcards/mobos, although your various outputs might be orientated differently.

http://support.creative.com/manuals/download.aspx?nDownloadId=12671&prodName=Sound%20Blaster%20Z_Zx%20UG%20Eng

#23
Posted 01/24/2017 04:16 PM   
Look at the bells and whistles on the new Maximus IV Extreme. Not only are the audio outputs lighted, they are color coded :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt2qMTtslZ8 You can see more about the on-board audio support in this article on Guru3D http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-republic-of-gamers-announces-maximus-ix-extreme.html
Look at the bells and whistles on the new Maximus IV Extreme.

Not only are the audio outputs lighted, they are color coded :)



You can see more about the on-board audio support in this article on Guru3D

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus-republic-of-gamers-announces-maximus-ix-extreme.html

#24
Posted 03/12/2017 10:12 PM   
Look at the price more like. The Asus Xonar d2X had colour coded mini Jack outputs half a year ago. Amazing how people will pay 2-3 times the going rate just for RGB lights. That includes keyboards mice mouse matts etc.
Look at the price more like.
The Asus Xonar d2X had colour coded mini Jack outputs half a year ago.
Amazing how people will pay 2-3 times the going rate just for RGB lights.
That includes keyboards mice mouse matts etc.

#25
Posted 03/13/2017 05:48 PM   
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