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I can't believe 2080 performs like a 1080ti at 800+, what a joke, I'll get an 1080ti to replace my 1070 for sure for 500-600 thanks, what an embarrasing cash grab Nvidia, this is why monopolies are so awful on a consumer level.
I can't believe 2080 performs like a 1080ti at 800+, what a joke, I'll get an 1080ti to replace my 1070 for sure for 500-600 thanks, what an embarrasing cash grab Nvidia, this is why monopolies are so awful on a consumer level.

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Posted 09/19/2018 06:08 PM   
[quote="masterotaku"]In price the 2080 and 2080Ti would make more sense to be called 2070 and 2080 with the price of the 2070 and 2080. Then the performance/price ratio would be what one would expect after almost two and a half years. I think I'll skip this generation or wait for a big price drop. There are some demanding games waiting for me, but... I guess I'll be playing old games (I have a lot of them anyway) except for Nioh because people are waiting for a fix. And Resonance of Fate is coming, which is another PS3 era game :p.[/quote] I had the same observation, in terms of performance the 2080 is performing like the new 70 card (i.e. 970, 1070) against the outgoing 80 Ti card (i.e. 780 Ti, 980 Ti) and the 2080 Ti is performing like the new 80 card (i.e. 980, 1080) against the outgoing 80 Ti card, but instead of them being $400 and $500 they are $800 and $1200. Nvidia is only doing this because of the way GPU price ballooned out of control during the crypto-mining bubble of 2017-early 2018 and because now they have 300k of 10 series overstock returned from Taiwanese AIB partners to offload (actually I heard that Nvidia told them that they aren't accepting a return, but they may have agreed to gimp the new cards, or at least offer a middling architecture, read: not compelling enough at an extravagant price-point so that said Taiwainese AIB partner can offload 10 series stock). So basically, we can ultimately thank douche-bag miners for this (the only reason Taiwanese AIB partners bought 10 series GPU's willy nilly hand over fist is because they did so during the height of the crypto-bubble, but because of the delay between demand and supply due to logistics / manufacturing they got them / were to get them after crypto crashed. Had there been no mining craze, we would not be dealing with 10 series overstock, NGreedia wouldn't look and say "hey they are willing to pay $1200 for a 1080 Ti! We can just price our new products accordingly!" and they would have most certainly released a product that is more in line with what we've seen between architectures in terms of price and performance.) If youre a miner, read: 10x + GTX 1080 Ti's etc, go fuck yourself / thanks for making us wait until 2019 to upgrade.
masterotaku said:In price the 2080 and 2080Ti would make more sense to be called 2070 and 2080 with the price of the 2070 and 2080. Then the performance/price ratio would be what one would expect after almost two and a half years.

I think I'll skip this generation or wait for a big price drop. There are some demanding games waiting for me, but... I guess I'll be playing old games (I have a lot of them anyway) except for Nioh because people are waiting for a fix. And Resonance of Fate is coming, which is another PS3 era game :p.


I had the same observation, in terms of performance the 2080 is performing like the new 70 card (i.e. 970, 1070) against the outgoing 80 Ti card (i.e. 780 Ti, 980 Ti) and the 2080 Ti is performing like the new 80 card (i.e. 980, 1080) against the outgoing 80 Ti card, but instead of them being $400 and $500 they are $800 and $1200.

Nvidia is only doing this because of the way GPU price ballooned out of control during the crypto-mining bubble of 2017-early 2018 and because now they have 300k of 10 series overstock returned from Taiwanese AIB partners to offload (actually I heard that Nvidia told them that they aren't accepting a return, but they may have agreed to gimp the new cards, or at least offer a middling architecture, read: not compelling enough at an extravagant price-point so that said Taiwainese AIB partner can offload 10 series stock).

So basically, we can ultimately thank douche-bag miners for this (the only reason Taiwanese AIB partners bought 10 series GPU's willy nilly hand over fist is because they did so during the height of the crypto-bubble, but because of the delay between demand and supply due to logistics / manufacturing they got them / were to get them after crypto crashed. Had there been no mining craze, we would not be dealing with 10 series overstock, NGreedia wouldn't look and say "hey they are willing to pay $1200 for a 1080 Ti! We can just price our new products accordingly!" and they would have most certainly released a product that is more in line with what we've seen between architectures in terms of price and performance.)

If youre a miner, read: 10x + GTX 1080 Ti's etc, go fuck yourself / thanks for making us wait until 2019 to upgrade.

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Posted 09/19/2018 07:08 PM   
Nvidia have never actually gimped cards, that's a complete falsehood. As for the rest of it, the laws of supply and demand will prevail, as usual. I wish they were cheaper, they've actually made it a really hard decision as to what to do, but I'm happy with my current setup so I'll just wait and see.
Nvidia have never actually gimped cards, that's a complete falsehood.
As for the rest of it, the laws of supply and demand will prevail, as usual.

I wish they were cheaper, they've actually made it a really hard decision as to what to do, but I'm happy with my current setup so I'll just wait and see.

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Posted 09/19/2018 07:25 PM   
Put your toys back in your pram you whining bitch. If you worked as hard as you moan on here, you’d be able to afford one easily. Calling people morons because they are happy to pay more than you are for something. You sound like a spoilt teeneager. I think Ferrari’s are over priced but I don’t think everyone who drives one is a moron. It’s all relative but try and see past your own opinions ffs. It comes off as sounding jealous. Maybe they released Turing with 10 series still left in the channel for you scrubs eh? When I’m playing ALL my games at 4K 60hz on my Sony 4K projector at max settings at 60 FPS+ The last thing I’ll be thinking about is the price. I didn’t pay £7k for a 4K projector to skimp on the gfx card because I thought it was £300 too much! Im also definitely not going to change my mind about buying a 2080ti because some self entitled fuckwit on the internet is trying to create a tea storm in a tea cup! It’s like you want me/us to feel guilty for having disposable income. I work fucking hard and have earn’t the money for this card through blood, sweat and tears. I didn’t ask my Dad or use an inheritance or lottery win. I worked hard and saved up. When I was younger I used to sit on my arse all day smoking doobies wondering why the world didn’t land on my lap, until the penny dropped. You have to get out there and make it happen! You sound like how I used to be. Having some prick on the internet telling me what I should do with my money and then calling the same people morons is so narrow minded it beggars belief. It’s worth what people will pay and if it’s not worth it to you, you won’t pay it. You are the equivalent of a jehovah’s witness knocking on my door. Fuck off I’m not interested!
Put your toys back in your pram you whining bitch.
If you worked as hard as you moan on here, you’d be able to afford one easily.

Calling people morons because they are happy to pay more than you are for something. You sound like a spoilt teeneager.

I think Ferrari’s are over priced but I don’t think everyone who drives one is a moron.
It’s all relative but try and see past your own opinions ffs.
It comes off as sounding jealous.

Maybe they released Turing with 10 series still left in the channel for you scrubs eh?

When I’m playing ALL my games at 4K 60hz on my Sony 4K projector at max settings at 60 FPS+ The last thing I’ll be thinking about is the price.

I didn’t pay £7k for a 4K projector to skimp on the gfx card because I thought it was £300 too much!
Im also definitely not going to change my mind about buying a 2080ti because some self entitled fuckwit on the internet is trying to create a tea storm in a tea cup!

It’s like you want me/us to feel guilty for having disposable income.
I work fucking hard and have earn’t the money for this card through blood, sweat and tears.
I didn’t ask my Dad or use an inheritance or lottery win. I worked hard and saved up.
When I was younger I used to sit on my arse all day smoking doobies wondering why the world didn’t land on my lap, until the penny dropped. You have to get out there and make it happen!
You sound like how I used to be.

Having some prick on the internet telling me what I should do with my money and then calling the same people morons is so narrow minded it beggars belief.

It’s worth what people will pay and if it’s not worth it to you, you won’t pay it.

You are the equivalent of a jehovah’s witness knocking on my door.

Fuck off I’m not interested!

Posted 09/19/2018 07:38 PM   
Personally im feeling another TitanX would feel more interesting then a 20 series card. Propably more band for buck. Maby. Or maby wait for new Titan. Man GibsonRed has some big balls. I would never have the balls to invest 7k Into any sony paneled sxrd. Jvc is my next projector. Don’t know is their build quality any better but im not Bying none sxrd no matter what is said about the panels being better these days. I have seen and read about so many degraded devices. Its so sad as Sony lots of good Things in their projectors. Low input lag and sharp picture.
Personally im feeling another TitanX would feel more interesting then a 20 series card.
Propably more band for buck. Maby.
Or maby wait for new Titan.

Man GibsonRed has some big balls.
I would never have the balls to invest 7k Into any sony paneled sxrd.
Jvc is my next projector. Don’t know is their build quality any better but im not
Bying none sxrd no matter what is said about the panels being better these days.
I have seen and read about so many degraded devices.
Its so sad as Sony lots of good Things in their projectors. Low input lag and sharp picture.

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Posted 09/19/2018 08:08 PM   
[quote="GibsonRed"]Put your toys back in your pram you whining bitch. If you worked as hard as you moan on here, you’d be able to afford one easily. Calling people morons because they are happy to pay more than you are for something. You sound like a spoilt teeneager. I think Ferrari’s are over priced but I don’t think everyone who drives one is a moron. It’s all relative but try and see past your own opinions ffs. It comes off as sounding jealous. Maybe they released Turing with 10 series still left in the channel for you scrubs eh? When I’m playing ALL my games at 4K 60hz on my Sony 4K projector at max settings at 60 FPS+ The last thing I’ll be thinking about is the price. I didn’t pay £7k for a 4K projector to skimp on the gfx card because I thought it was £300 too much! Im also definitely not going to change my mind about buying a 2080ti because some self entitled fuckwit on the internet is trying to create a tea storm in a tea cup! It’s like you want me/us to feel guilty for having disposable income. I work fucking hard and have earn’t the money for this card through blood, sweat and tears. I didn’t ask my Dad or use an inheritance or lottery win. I worked hard and saved up. When I was younger I used to sit on my arse all day smoking doobies wondering why the world didn’t land on my lap, until the penny dropped. You have to get out there and make it happen! You sound like how I used to be. Having some prick on the internet telling me what I should do with my money and then calling the same people morons is so narrow minded it beggars belief. It’s worth what people will pay and if it’s not worth it to you, you won’t pay it. You are the equivalent of a jehovah’s witness knocking on my door. Fuck off I’m not interested! [/quote] I've done my share of working buddy, I'm turning 40 in November, I am a partially disabled combat veteran, from 8.5 years spent in the U.S. Army, Active Duty, Feb 27, 1997- Sept. 25th, 2005, OEF 2004-2005, 68S Aircraft Armament Missile System Repairman. $1300 is a lot of money for myself and about 70% of society. What do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking? https://forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/09/23/survey-69-of-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-infographic/ I mean you can try to brag about being able to afford this crap but honestly you sound like an idiot. Anyone paying $1300 for a glorified 80 card is a knob, irrespective as to whether or not they can afford it. But you are doing more than just being an idiot, youre signalling to NGreedia that youre ok with their price-gouging, shenanigans and chicanery. Anyone buying a Turing product right now is voting for exactly more of this. If no-one bought this crap they would change their tune really quickly. "I work hard for my money boy!" Yeah, as if the aforementioned 70% of society are just layabouts. Fuck off. And yeah, economic inequality is a serious, unsustainable problem: [url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/07/05/where-financial-inequality-is-rampant-infographic/#557cb1294a48[/url] [quote="Metal-O-Holic"] Man GibsonRed has some big balls. I would never have the balls to invest 7k Into any sony paneled sxrd. [/quote] Just read this, $7k on a display? Gibson you are completely out of touch with the economic reality felt by the vast majority us: Here, why don't you see what life is like outside of your gated community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8szG-U73h8
GibsonRed said:Put your toys back in your pram you whining bitch.
If you worked as hard as you moan on here, you’d be able to afford one easily.

Calling people morons because they are happy to pay more than you are for something. You sound like a spoilt teeneager.

I think Ferrari’s are over priced but I don’t think everyone who drives one is a moron.
It’s all relative but try and see past your own opinions ffs.
It comes off as sounding jealous.

Maybe they released Turing with 10 series still left in the channel for you scrubs eh?

When I’m playing ALL my games at 4K 60hz on my Sony 4K projector at max settings at 60 FPS+ The last thing I’ll be thinking about is the price.

I didn’t pay £7k for a 4K projector to skimp on the gfx card because I thought it was £300 too much!
Im also definitely not going to change my mind about buying a 2080ti because some self entitled fuckwit on the internet is trying to create a tea storm in a tea cup!

It’s like you want me/us to feel guilty for having disposable income.
I work fucking hard and have earn’t the money for this card through blood, sweat and tears.
I didn’t ask my Dad or use an inheritance or lottery win. I worked hard and saved up.
When I was younger I used to sit on my arse all day smoking doobies wondering why the world didn’t land on my lap, until the penny dropped. You have to get out there and make it happen!
You sound like how I used to be.

Having some prick on the internet telling me what I should do with my money and then calling the same people morons is so narrow minded it beggars belief.

It’s worth what people will pay and if it’s not worth it to you, you won’t pay it.

You are the equivalent of a jehovah’s witness knocking on my door.

Fuck off I’m not interested!








I've done my share of working buddy, I'm turning 40 in November, I am a partially disabled combat veteran, from 8.5 years spent in the U.S. Army, Active Duty, Feb 27, 1997- Sept. 25th, 2005, OEF 2004-2005, 68S Aircraft Armament Missile System Repairman.

$1300 is a lot of money for myself and about 70% of society.

What do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking?

https://forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/09/23/survey-69-of-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-infographic/

I mean you can try to brag about being able to afford this crap but honestly you sound like an idiot. Anyone paying $1300 for a glorified 80 card is a knob, irrespective as to whether or not they can afford it. But you are doing more than just being an idiot, youre signalling to NGreedia that youre ok with their price-gouging, shenanigans and chicanery. Anyone buying a Turing product right now is voting for exactly more of this. If no-one bought this crap they would change their tune really quickly.

"I work hard for my money boy!"

Yeah, as if the aforementioned 70% of society are just layabouts.

Fuck off.

And yeah, economic inequality is a serious, unsustainable problem:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/07/05/where-financial-inequality-is-rampant-infographic/#557cb1294a48

Metal-O-Holic said:

Man GibsonRed has some big balls.
I would never have the balls to invest 7k Into any sony paneled sxrd.




Just read this, $7k on a display? Gibson you are completely out of touch with the economic reality felt by the vast majority us:

Here, why don't you see what life is like outside of your gated community:

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Posted 09/19/2018 08:12 PM   
Iv’e had it a while now. Over 4000 hours and zero issues. If you want a true native 4K projector you haven’t got a choice. It blows me away every time I use it. HDR is a bit lacklustre though. Tempted to buy a laser one but that’s another story... Iv’e not noticed any degradation. Unlike OLED TV’s.... I’d highly recommend them. You think the 4K looks sharp on them, you should see the 3D! I agree the prices are ridiculous and good on J2cents for his honest opinion. It does seem like the 2080 is where the 2070 is and the 2080ti is where the 2080 should be performance wise. Still, I was hoping for new graphic cards last year so have been saving for yonks to get the next gen card. It’s the performance I want at a price I was willing to pay. I wanted it so I bought it. No wonder they released the 2080ti at the same time as the 2080. People would have pissed themselves laughing if it was just the 2080 that launched that can’t beat a 1080ti. Especially at the same price! Imagine what would happen to the share price. Judging by popular opinion on the internet, it looks like nvidia aren’t going to sell many of these after the ‘rich morons’ initial rush fades anyway. Saying that though, the place where I bought my card said they sold out straight away and have had loads of people interested in them. Anyone got any new SLI nvlink benchmark / review links?
Iv’e had it a while now. Over 4000 hours and zero issues.
If you want a true native 4K projector you haven’t got a choice.
It blows me away every time I use it. HDR is a bit lacklustre though.
Tempted to buy a laser one but that’s another story...
Iv’e not noticed any degradation. Unlike OLED TV’s....

I’d highly recommend them. You think the 4K looks sharp on them, you should see the 3D!

I agree the prices are ridiculous and good on J2cents for his honest opinion.

It does seem like the 2080 is where the 2070 is and the 2080ti is where the 2080 should be performance wise.

Still, I was hoping for new graphic cards last year so have been saving for yonks to get the next gen card.

It’s the performance I want at a price I was willing to pay. I wanted it so I bought it.

No wonder they released the 2080ti at the same time as the 2080. People would have pissed themselves laughing if it was just the 2080 that launched that can’t beat a 1080ti. Especially at the same price!

Imagine what would happen to the share price.

Judging by popular opinion on the internet, it looks like nvidia aren’t going to sell many of these after the ‘rich morons’ initial rush fades anyway.
Saying that though, the place where I bought my card said they sold out straight away and have had loads of people interested in them.

Anyone got any new SLI nvlink benchmark / review links?

Posted 09/19/2018 08:25 PM   
Starman. I shouldnt have to say this but I will. I’m not rich. I teach guitar and music production these days. I live in a semi detached house. I have a terraced house I let out that pays me next to nothing after the mortgage. You’ll probably see it as scummy landlord, whatever, but that’s my retirement plan. I’m 39, I work hard and have to save for ages to get some new toys. It took me years to save for the projector. I have two kids and apart from doing things with them days, out etc I spend no money on myself. I don’t go out anymore, so have spent money kitting my man cave out over the last 10 years. I just find it annoying when people try to piss on your chips when you’ve worked very hard to get something that at first seemed far out of reach. I’m sorry that you can’t work and take back any negative comments I made about you. I didn’t realise. I agree the cards are insanely priced, but it’s the last piece in my 4K puzzle and there’s no other option availble right now.
Starman. I shouldnt have to say this but I will.
I’m not rich.
I teach guitar and music production these days.
I live in a semi detached house.
I have a terraced house I let out that pays me next to nothing after the mortgage. You’ll probably see it as scummy landlord, whatever, but that’s my retirement plan.
I’m 39, I work hard and have to save for ages to get some new toys. It took me years to save for the projector.
I have two kids and apart from doing things with them days, out etc I spend no money on myself.
I don’t go out anymore, so have spent money kitting my man cave out over the last 10 years.

I just find it annoying when people try to piss on your chips when you’ve worked very hard to get something that at first seemed far out of reach.

I’m sorry that you can’t work and take back any negative comments I made about you.
I didn’t realise.

I agree the cards are insanely priced, but it’s the last piece in my 4K puzzle and there’s no other option availble right now.

Posted 09/19/2018 08:37 PM   
GibsonRed, might I play the devil's advocate and entice you to consider 2080 Ti SLi to compliment your 4k setup? The thinking is that a single 2080 Ti won't give 95%> 60FPS @ 3DV 4K gaming, but 2 will! In the overall scheme of things, £1K more above the 8k already spent to really complete your setup to 4k 60fps 3DV perfection is great value - no sarcasm intended at all :)
GibsonRed, might I play the devil's advocate and entice you to consider 2080 Ti SLi to compliment your 4k setup?

The thinking is that a single 2080 Ti won't give 95%> 60FPS @ 3DV 4K gaming, but 2 will!

In the overall scheme of things, £1K more above the 8k already spent to really complete your setup to 4k 60fps 3DV perfection is great value - no sarcasm intended at all :)

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Posted 09/19/2018 09:09 PM   
Don't apologise too much. He's still making hugely sweeping statements and insulting people. Last I knew this was a forum for 3d enthusiasts. Starman I'm sorry for your situation but sounds like you're in the wrong forum.
Don't apologise too much. He's still making hugely sweeping statements and insulting people.
Last I knew this was a forum for 3d enthusiasts. Starman I'm sorry for your situation but sounds like you're in the wrong forum.

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Posted 09/19/2018 09:10 PM   
Ragedemon. Thanks for the suggestion but I’ll never go SLI again. It’s just not reliable enough. Maybe the new SLI connector will be better but it’ll mean rebuilding my entire rig. I’ve got an MITX board so only one PCIE slot. More pissed off that I can’t get the wireless vive adaptor than a second gfx card though! Rustyyk21 don’t worry I won’t. I just don’t like telling partially disabled people to get off their arse and work. No matter what I think of them personally. Just got to get the EK waterblock now! :)
Ragedemon.
Thanks for the suggestion but I’ll never go SLI again.
It’s just not reliable enough. Maybe the new SLI connector will be better but it’ll mean rebuilding my entire rig.

I’ve got an MITX board so only one PCIE slot.

More pissed off that I can’t get the wireless vive adaptor than a second gfx card though!

Rustyyk21 don’t worry I won’t. I just don’t like telling partially disabled people to get off their arse and work.
No matter what I think of them personally.

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Posted 09/19/2018 09:24 PM   
My objection to PC Gamer giving Turing an 80: https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition-review/#comment-jump "Following up on my previous comment, another way to look at this, putting this into historical price-performance perspective, is that going back all the way to Kepler the 70 card was always as fast as / slightly faster than the outgoing 80 Ti card, i.e. 970 vs 780Ti and 1070 vs 980 Ti, for around $400. Now, we have a card that is performing similarly but is $800. And the incoming 80 card was always around 20% faster than the outgoing 80 Ti card, i.e. 1080 vs 980 Ti, and 980 vs 780 Ti, for $500. Now this card is $1200. Even if it's slightly faster than 20%, this is still a ridiculous price / performance proposition. But you come out and give this 8 out of 10? Really, think about it, the 2080 is essentially the new 70 card and the 2080 Ti is essentially the new 80 card. To top everything off, the 2070 is going to have the same SKU designator, 106 (TU106) as the 60 series card has always had. This tells me that what they may have actually have done is exactly this, they looked at the crypto-mining craze at it's very height and said "Oh hey look, they are willing to pay $1200 for a GTX 1080 Ti, we can price our new cards accordingly!" And I keep hearing about this equating of Huang with Henry Ford and how he's a benevolent visionary attempting to revolutionize gaming with Ray Tracing. If that's the case, why is Ray Tracing a Turing exclusive? Not an Nvidia exclusive, but a Turing exclusive. Have a 1080 Ti and want to try it out just to see if your card can even do it? Nope! Disabled in the display driver. So let's just dispense with the niceties and get something clear, Nvidia is not at all interested in introducing a feature that will revolutionize the hobby, no, what this is is another iteration of Gameworks / Hairworks / PhysX / 3D Vision / G-Sync; a proprietary feature that they hope will give them a competitive advantage in the face of 7nm Navi. Speaking of AMD, what better time to release said exclusive feature but when your only competitor is nowhere to be found? That they physically allocated 33% of the die to a feature that maybe, and I'm truly being generous here, 10% of developers may implement really sucks. Can you imagine Turing if that full die was just for rasterization? What we have in the end is a half baked attempt at the introduction of a feature whilst simultaneously gimping the card. No longer are we seeing a 50-60% bump in performance between 80 Ti cards for the same price, now it's 25% and 2x the price. And Ray Tracing? I mean they have some wiggle room but they aren't going to turn that 40 FPS we've seen in SOTR into 60 FPS @ 1080p. They might manage to bring that up to 50 FPS but still, this is absolutely unacceptable, especially considering that A: The people that can swing $1300 after taxes for a 2080 Ti can also swing $2500 for a 4K HDR 144 Hz monitor and have about zero interest in interpolated, non HDR 1080p content on said panel. And to be honest, fake lighting doesn't even look that bad. Like seriously, nothing in that SOTR Ray Tracing footage looked like it couldn't be done about 90% as close without ray tracing. The only compelling usage I've seen of it so far is in the new Metro game and that's only because of the dynamic day / night cycle. And that game is also struggling to do Ray Tracing at 1080p 60 FPS. Same with Battlefield 5. So if you have anything other than a 2080 Ti, what is this, 40 FPS in all of the above with a 2080 and 30 FPS with a 2070? So in the end, there's one GPU that can do a feature out of some 30+ GPU's comprising the PC playerbase. I can tell you right now that devs aren't going to feel compelled to implement RT on top of fake lighting. We can look at a statistical analog, 3D Vision. How many of us have 3D Vision capable monitors and are enjoying the feature? (I do, and am intimately acquainted with how small the userbase is) Probably around the same amount of people who will actually be able to enjoy Ray Tracing. How many games within the past 3 years have official 3D Vision implementation? Count one: Rise of the Tomb Raider, whose implementation was done very well by Nixxes. This is going to be a niche feature. Hell devs can't even implement basic, fundamental features. Take Monster Hunter: World, there are no high res textures nor 21:9 support for PC, the latter of which is literally a 3-4 hour fix to implement, do you seriously think these devs are going to allocate time, money and resources into implementing a feature that only one out of some 30-50 GPU's comprising the PC playerbase will be able to enjoy? No. Ray Tracing is absolutely dead on arrival. Again, imagine that 33% of the die allocated to RT used for conventional rasterization. We would have a 2080 Ti that is not 30% faster than 1080 Ti @ 4K (23% at 1440p, what a joke for $1300) but 60%. Ditto 2080 and 2070. But you come out and give this an 80 out of 100? Let's rename everything, pretend the 2080 is the 2070 for $800, and the 2080 Ti is the 2080 for $1200, would you still rate them 8 out of 10? Let's keep things in perspective here: GTX 980, 15-20% faster than 780 Ti: $500 GTX 1080, 15-20% faster than 980 Ti: $500 GTX 970, 5% faster than 780 Ti: $350 GTX 1070, 5% faster than 980 Ti: $350 GTX 980 TI, 50-60% faster than 780 Ti: $700 GTX 1080 Ti, 50-60% faster than 980 Ti: $700 RTX 2080, 0% faster than 1080 Ti: $800 RTX 2080 Ti, 23% faster than 1080 Ti @ 1440p and 33% faster at 4K: $1300 after taxes. RTX 2070, with a 60 series die, TU106, 15-20% slower than 1080 Ti, can't do Ray Farce: only $600! By giving this an 8 out of 10 youre encouraging people to buy it and that encourages Nvidia to do more price-gouging and chicanery. Ray Tracing should have been saved until it could be done at 1440p and above at greater than 60 FPS, if that takes two separate dies to accomplish, or heaven forbid, the development of a separate Ray Tracing card (think GTX 1050 Ti but solely for Ray Tracing but capable of doing so at 1440p @ 120 Hz for $150) then that would have been a far preferable way of introducing it. Those who want Ray Tracing can buy a card dedicated to the feature, I mean you introduced NV Link for crying out loud which would've helped in this regard. Those who don't, don't buy the card! Problem solved! We don't want Ray Tracing, we actually want to be able to do 4k at more than 60 Hz with some of the settings turned up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHsFID6YVPU"
My objection to PC Gamer giving Turing an 80:

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition-review/#comment-jump

"Following up on my previous comment, another way to look at this, putting this into historical price-performance perspective, is that going back all the way to Kepler the 70 card was always as fast as / slightly faster than the outgoing 80 Ti card, i.e. 970 vs 780Ti and 1070 vs 980 Ti, for around $400. Now, we have a card that is performing similarly but is $800. And the incoming 80 card was always around 20% faster than the outgoing 80 Ti card, i.e. 1080 vs 980 Ti, and 980 vs 780 Ti, for $500. Now this card is $1200. Even if it's slightly faster than 20%, this is still a ridiculous price / performance proposition.

But you come out and give this 8 out of 10?

Really, think about it, the 2080 is essentially the new 70 card and the 2080 Ti is essentially the new 80 card. To top everything off, the 2070 is going to have the same SKU designator, 106 (TU106) as the 60 series card has always had. This tells me that what they may have actually have done is exactly this, they looked at the crypto-mining craze at it's very height and said "Oh hey look, they are willing to pay $1200 for a GTX 1080 Ti, we can price our new cards accordingly!"

And I keep hearing about this equating of Huang with Henry Ford and how he's a benevolent visionary attempting to revolutionize gaming with Ray Tracing. If that's the case, why is Ray Tracing a Turing exclusive? Not an Nvidia exclusive, but a Turing exclusive.

Have a 1080 Ti and want to try it out just to see if your card can even do it? Nope! Disabled in the display driver.

So let's just dispense with the niceties and get something clear, Nvidia is not at all interested in introducing a feature that will revolutionize the hobby, no, what this is is another iteration of Gameworks / Hairworks / PhysX / 3D Vision / G-Sync; a proprietary feature that they hope will give them a competitive advantage in the face of 7nm Navi.

Speaking of AMD, what better time to release said exclusive feature but when your only competitor is nowhere to be found?

That they physically allocated 33% of the die to a feature that maybe, and I'm truly being generous here, 10% of developers may implement really sucks.

Can you imagine Turing if that full die was just for rasterization?

What we have in the end is a half baked attempt at the introduction of a feature whilst simultaneously gimping the card. No longer are we seeing a 50-60% bump in performance between 80 Ti cards for the same price, now it's 25% and 2x the price.

And Ray Tracing? I mean they have some wiggle room but they aren't going to turn that 40 FPS we've seen in SOTR into 60 FPS @ 1080p. They might manage to bring that up to 50 FPS but still, this is absolutely unacceptable, especially considering that A: The people that can swing $1300 after taxes for a 2080 Ti can also swing $2500 for a 4K HDR 144 Hz monitor and have about zero interest in interpolated, non HDR 1080p content on said panel.

And to be honest, fake lighting doesn't even look that bad. Like seriously, nothing in that SOTR Ray Tracing footage looked like it couldn't be done about 90% as close without ray tracing. The only compelling usage I've seen of it so far is in the new Metro game and that's only because of the dynamic day / night cycle. And that game is also struggling to do Ray Tracing at 1080p 60 FPS. Same with Battlefield 5. So if you have anything other than a 2080 Ti, what is this, 40 FPS in all of the above with a 2080 and 30 FPS with a 2070?

So in the end, there's one GPU that can do a feature out of some 30+ GPU's comprising the PC playerbase. I can tell you right now that devs aren't going to feel compelled to implement RT on top of fake lighting. We can look at a statistical analog, 3D Vision. How many of us have 3D Vision capable monitors and are enjoying the feature? (I do, and am intimately acquainted with how small the userbase is) Probably around the same amount of people who will actually be able to enjoy Ray Tracing. How many games within the past 3 years have official 3D Vision implementation? Count one: Rise of the Tomb Raider, whose implementation was done very well by Nixxes.

This is going to be a niche feature. Hell devs can't even implement basic, fundamental features. Take Monster Hunter: World, there are no high res textures nor 21:9 support for PC, the latter of which is literally a 3-4 hour fix to implement, do you seriously think these devs are going to allocate time, money and resources into implementing a feature that only one out of some 30-50 GPU's comprising the PC playerbase will be able to enjoy?

No.

Ray Tracing is absolutely dead on arrival.

Again, imagine that 33% of the die allocated to RT used for conventional rasterization. We would have a 2080 Ti that is not 30% faster than 1080 Ti @ 4K (23% at 1440p, what a joke for $1300) but 60%. Ditto 2080 and 2070.

But you come out and give this an 80 out of 100?

Let's rename everything, pretend the 2080 is the 2070 for $800, and the 2080 Ti is the 2080 for $1200, would you still rate them 8 out of 10?

Let's keep things in perspective here:

GTX 980, 15-20% faster than 780 Ti: $500
GTX 1080, 15-20% faster than 980 Ti: $500
GTX 970, 5% faster than 780 Ti: $350
GTX 1070, 5% faster than 980 Ti: $350
GTX 980 TI, 50-60% faster than 780 Ti: $700
GTX 1080 Ti, 50-60% faster than 980 Ti: $700

RTX 2080, 0% faster than 1080 Ti: $800
RTX 2080 Ti, 23% faster than 1080 Ti @ 1440p and 33% faster at 4K: $1300 after taxes.
RTX 2070, with a 60 series die, TU106, 15-20% slower than 1080 Ti, can't do Ray Farce: only $600!

By giving this an 8 out of 10 youre encouraging people to buy it and that encourages Nvidia to do more price-gouging and chicanery.

Ray Tracing should have been saved until it could be done at 1440p and above at greater than 60 FPS, if that takes two separate dies to accomplish, or heaven forbid, the development of a separate Ray Tracing card (think GTX 1050 Ti but solely for Ray Tracing but capable of doing so at 1440p @ 120 Hz for $150) then that would have been a far preferable way of introducing it. Those who want Ray Tracing can buy a card dedicated to the feature, I mean you introduced NV Link for crying out loud which would've helped in this regard. Those who don't, don't buy the card! Problem solved!

We don't want Ray Tracing, we actually want to be able to do 4k at more than 60 Hz with some of the settings turned up: ;

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Posted 09/19/2018 10:12 PM   
Tell you what, I have an idea. How about rather than regurgitating the same thing over and over, you apologise for the massively offensive posts and language you used before? Do you think that's possible?
Tell you what, I have an idea.
How about rather than regurgitating the same thing over and over, you apologise for the massively offensive posts and language you used before?
Do you think that's possible?

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Posted 09/19/2018 10:45 PM   
When I said I called it I meant in terms of this thread where we would only see maybe a 25% jump in performance on average, and I got some pushback. But it doesn't matter. The new Ti is basically at a Titan Price it's a titan in all but name. I was however pretty surprised that the 2080 is only trading blows with the 1080ti Very disappointing. I do agree with the sentiment that an extra 20fps in 3dvision is actually kinda huge, I'm actually tempted to go to a single card solution with the 2080ti since official SLI support has become pretty abysmal to nonexistent. But then I look at price vs performance and I'm pretty happy with my performance right now in general, and usually SLI does work with a few profile adjustments to some degree. so I can't justify it. Guess will be waiting for the next gen of cards...
When I said I called it I meant in terms of this thread where we would only see maybe a 25% jump in performance on average, and I got some pushback. But it doesn't matter.

The new Ti is basically at a Titan Price it's a titan in all but name.
I was however pretty surprised that the 2080 is only trading blows with the 1080ti
Very disappointing.

I do agree with the sentiment that an extra 20fps in 3dvision is actually kinda huge, I'm actually tempted to go to a single card solution with the 2080ti since official SLI support has become pretty abysmal to nonexistent. But then I look at price vs performance and I'm pretty happy with my performance right now in general, and usually SLI does work with a few profile adjustments to some degree. so I can't justify it.

Guess will be waiting for the next gen of cards...

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Posted 09/20/2018 02:25 AM   
I am in agreement the 20 series is well overpriced and under performing. I have also owned NVIDIA cards exclusively skipping every other generation ever since 2002, and I must say after all these years NVIDIA has very poor support for their proprietary technologies in the long term. Physx, 3D Vision, 3xSLI, SLI Bridge, Multimonitor Widescreen Gaming, GSYNC, etc are all quietly abandoned after much fanfare. Unfortunately, ATI is even worse, while they are cheaper hardware wise, even their driver support is lacking. We are left with the better of 2 poor choices. And judging by NVIDIA's track record of "cutting edge revolutionary technologies", this "ray tracing" is a dead end gimmick. Let's just consider how many games to this day can even offer proper Tesselation. The only technology that has more or less endured is 3D Vision, and that is ONLY thanks to this community. I will skip this generation of GPU's, as the cost vs performance ratio does not warrant an upgrade for me.
I am in agreement the 20 series is well overpriced and under performing. I have also owned NVIDIA cards exclusively skipping every other generation ever since 2002, and I must say after all these years NVIDIA has very poor support for their proprietary technologies in the long term. Physx, 3D Vision, 3xSLI, SLI Bridge, Multimonitor Widescreen Gaming, GSYNC, etc are all quietly abandoned after much fanfare. Unfortunately, ATI is even worse, while they are cheaper hardware wise, even their driver support is lacking. We are left with the better of 2 poor choices.

And judging by NVIDIA's track record of "cutting edge revolutionary technologies", this "ray tracing" is a dead end gimmick. Let's just consider how many games to this day can even offer proper Tesselation. The only technology that has more or less endured is 3D Vision, and that is ONLY thanks to this community.

I will skip this generation of GPU's, as the cost vs performance ratio does not warrant an upgrade for me.

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Posted 09/20/2018 02:51 AM   
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