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Hi all, I recently got a GTX 660 and after getting 100+fps in Saints Row 3 on Ultra I decided to purchase some Red/Cyan glasses and try out 3d vision. Bad decision. Even with everything set to low (aa off, af off, everything low or off) I still only get 10-15fps when looking at traffic. When looking at the floor I get 30-40+ but when looking at the city or traffic the framerate drops. Does 3D Vision need a Good CPU? My system specs are: [list] [.]Intel Core i3-3240 @ 3.40GHz[/.] [.]8GB DDR3-1600MHz RAM[/.] [.]EVGA GTX 660 SC 2GB (Core speed: 1.2GHz, Memory: 3GHz)[/.] [.]1440x900 Screen Res[/.] [/list] Any help would be appreciated.
Hi all,
I recently got a GTX 660 and after getting 100+fps in Saints Row 3 on Ultra I decided to purchase some Red/Cyan glasses and try out 3d vision. Bad decision. Even with everything set to low (aa off, af off, everything low or off) I still only get 10-15fps when looking at traffic. When looking at the floor I get 30-40+ but when looking at the city or traffic the framerate drops.

Does 3D Vision need a Good CPU? My system specs are:
  • Intel Core i3-3240 @ 3.40GHz
  • 8GB DDR3-1600MHz RAM
  • EVGA GTX 660 SC 2GB (Core speed: 1.2GHz, Memory: 3GHz)
  • 1440x900 Screen Res


Any help would be appreciated.

#1
Posted 08/08/2013 07:14 PM   
Drop your resolution all the way to lowest. Does frame rate change? If not its processor/game optimization related.
Drop your resolution all the way to lowest.

Does frame rate change? If not its processor/game optimization related.

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#2
Posted 08/08/2013 08:00 PM   
Huh? Is Saints Row The 3rd playable in 3d??
Huh? Is Saints Row The 3rd playable in 3d??

#3
Posted 08/08/2013 08:33 PM   
Some benchmarks I did: 1440x900 In Game preset ULTRA Without 3D on: 60+fps With 3D on: 10-20fps 720x480 In Game preset LOW Without 3D on 120+fps With 3D on: 15-20fps It must be either the game or the CPU then although I don't think its CPU. Dead Island sits at 40+fps on Ultra with 3D on and the menu says its not recommended. I also tried GMOD and the same happens although GMOD gets 200+fps. I will see if there are any patches for the game. The Nvidia menu that pops up when I turn on 3D says it has good support..? EDIT: Schmeltzer, yes the game is very playable in 3D although with my framerate, no. When not much is rendering I get almost 60fps and it looks really nice actually.
Some benchmarks I did:
1440x900 In Game preset ULTRA
Without 3D on: 60+fps
With 3D on: 10-20fps

720x480 In Game preset LOW
Without 3D on 120+fps
With 3D on: 15-20fps

It must be either the game or the CPU then although I don't think its CPU. Dead Island sits at 40+fps on Ultra with 3D on and the menu says its not recommended. I also tried GMOD and the same happens although GMOD gets 200+fps. I will see if there are any patches for the game. The Nvidia menu that pops up when I turn on 3D says it has good support..?

EDIT: Schmeltzer, yes the game is very playable in 3D although with my framerate, no. When not much is rendering I get almost 60fps and it looks really nice actually.

#4
Posted 08/08/2013 08:36 PM   
Its probably more game optimization then CPU. Some games its just released on PC pretty crappy. Prototype 2/ Splinter cell conviction. My computer which is kind of a tank will sit at 40FPS tops. Nvidia ratings mean nothing and are NOT accurate. Performance has nothing to do with rating regardless. Go here for 3D game patches. [url]http://helixmod.blogspot.com/[/url]
Its probably more game optimization then CPU.
Some games its just released on PC pretty crappy.


Prototype 2/ Splinter cell conviction. My computer which is kind of a tank will sit at 40FPS tops.


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#5
Posted 08/08/2013 08:48 PM   
1440x900 is a weird resolution for 3D. Are you gaming on a laptop or using a CRT monitor?
1440x900 is a weird resolution for 3D.

Are you gaming on a laptop or using a CRT monitor?

#6
Posted 08/08/2013 08:59 PM   
offtopic I know, but the demo for Saints Row 4 just showed up on Steam!: forget that, its just the character builder. Ignore me :-(
offtopic I know, but the demo for Saints Row 4 just showed up on Steam!: forget that, its just the character builder. Ignore me :-(

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#7
Posted 08/08/2013 09:12 PM   
[quote="L0RDWAFFLE"]I decided to purchase some [b]Red/Cyan glasses [/b]and try out 3d vision.[/quote] guess the game is playable in 3D vision discover. never tried 3D vision discover before, maybe it kills framerate just as 3D vision does.
L0RDWAFFLE said:I decided to purchase some Red/Cyan glasses and try out 3d vision.


guess the game is playable in 3D vision discover.

never tried 3D vision discover before, maybe it kills framerate just as 3D vision does.

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#8
Posted 08/08/2013 09:22 PM   
Humble Bundle is currently offering Saints Row: the Third, pay enough and you get all of the DLC, pay more to get Dead Island Riptide. https://www.humblebundle.com/ Saints Row: The Third Saints Row: The Third's Full Package DLC collection Saints Row 2 Risen 1 Risen 2: Dark Waters Gold Edition of Sacred 2 Sacred Citadel Metro 2033 Dead Island Dead Island Riptide
Humble Bundle is currently offering Saints Row: the Third, pay enough and you get all of the DLC, pay more to get Dead Island Riptide.

https://www.humblebundle.com/

Saints Row: The Third
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Dead Island Riptide

#9
Posted 08/08/2013 09:30 PM   
I cant imagine discover using more performance. Maybe I should clear this up incase author doesnt know though. 3d vision/discover eats half your performance. ----------------------- Dont bid that bundle up for Riptide imo. Get the other stuff. Riptide is terrible [personally thought di was terrible as well].
I cant imagine discover using more performance.
Maybe I should clear this up incase author doesnt know though.

3d vision/discover eats half your performance.

-----------------------
Dont bid that bundle up for Riptide imo. Get the other stuff. Riptide is terrible [personally thought di was terrible as well].

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#10
Posted 08/08/2013 10:12 PM   
I know 3d vision does (takes 120fps and "sends" 60 to each eye) i didn't know discover eat my system too? @d-man Its a 16:10 Hanns.G HW191D screen (75Hz Max, thats why im using red/cyan glasses not the kit) I bought the humble bundle to get saints row 3.. I am looking at maybe getting a GTX 770 or 780 and an Core i5 or i7 (if I have some spare cash, i do a lot of video trans-coding too). I didn't pay for riptide too, i've completed dead island on 360 and have a copy of riptide so I didn't need to buy it for PC. Also, having just played a bit of Sanctum 2 I can report this: (the game is capped at 60fps anyway) 60fps on ultra using 2D and 40 with 3D (it did drop down to 30 when I added some more towers which would mean I have a CPU bottleneck).
I know 3d vision does (takes 120fps and "sends" 60 to each eye) i didn't know discover eat my system too? @d-man Its a 16:10 Hanns.G HW191D screen (75Hz Max, thats why im using red/cyan glasses not the kit) I bought the humble bundle to get saints row 3.. I am looking at maybe getting a GTX 770 or 780 and an Core i5 or i7 (if I have some spare cash, i do a lot of video trans-coding too). I didn't pay for riptide too, i've completed dead island on 360 and have a copy of riptide so I didn't need to buy it for PC.

Also, having just played a bit of Sanctum 2 I can report this: (the game is capped at 60fps anyway) 60fps on ultra using 2D and 40 with 3D (it did drop down to 30 when I added some more towers which would mean I have a CPU bottleneck).

#11
Posted 08/08/2013 11:01 PM   
How does Discover look, I'm curious. Is there a lot of ghosting/crosstalk? As for the performance issues, I'll run some tests for you when I get home, so you have something to compare against.
How does Discover look, I'm curious. Is there a lot of ghosting/crosstalk?

As for the performance issues, I'll run some tests for you when I get home, so you have something to compare against.

#12
Posted 08/09/2013 02:06 AM   
If you got the right colored glasses discover can have zero crosstalk. it's just that... it's red and blue. Anyhow, playing around with discover back in '09 is what convinced me to buy a 3d vision kit. Ignoring the subdued color aspect, I was extremely impressed with the depth achived with 3d games. I was testing Oblivion. I messed with all the keyboard shortcuts and played with depth and convergence. right away, I was sold on buying full color 3d.
If you got the right colored glasses discover can have zero crosstalk. it's just that... it's red and blue.

Anyhow, playing around with discover back in '09 is what convinced me to buy a 3d vision kit. Ignoring the subdued color aspect, I was extremely impressed with the depth achived with 3d games. I was testing Oblivion. I messed with all the keyboard shortcuts and played with depth and convergence. right away, I was sold on buying full color 3d.

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#13
Posted 08/09/2013 06:07 AM   
[quote="Schmeltzer"]Huh? Is Saints Row The 3rd playable in 3d??[/quote]I've actually put a fair amount of time into trying to fix SR3 (and I know eqzitara has looked at it too.) Answer: nope, it's unplayable. Best you can do is set to the profile to Protoype, which fixes the halos. You still have to turn off shadows, and will still get screen depth effects like blood pools. You can also do the trick of turning depth down, and convergence up so that the screen depth effects like shadows and blood are still at screen depth. Playable this way, but...
Schmeltzer said:Huh? Is Saints Row The 3rd playable in 3d??
I've actually put a fair amount of time into trying to fix SR3 (and I know eqzitara has looked at it too.) Answer: nope, it's unplayable. Best you can do is set to the profile to Protoype, which fixes the halos. You still have to turn off shadows, and will still get screen depth effects like blood pools.

You can also do the trick of turning depth down, and convergence up so that the screen depth effects like shadows and blood are still at screen depth. Playable this way, but...

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#14
Posted 08/09/2013 07:23 AM   
As a data point, I just tried the Discover mode, and in the first Crib I get 70fps on, 80fps Ctrl-T off. Outside on the street, I get 41fps on, 47fps ctrl-T off. (specs in signature) In normal frame sequential, in first Crib, I get 60fps on, 75fps off. Outside 48fps on, 54fps off. As far as I know there is not very much difference at all between normal frame-sequential and red/blue. NVidia has said in their whitepaper that the only difference is the final step for rendering to screen, all of the prior pipeline is identical. Clearly there is some difference though- as seen above. SR3 is notorious for being poorly optimized. Still, it doesn't seem to make sense that you drop so dramatically with 3D Discover. Edit:This was all DX9. If you were trying DX11, try DX9.
As a data point, I just tried the Discover mode, and in the first Crib I get 70fps on, 80fps Ctrl-T off. Outside on the street, I get 41fps on, 47fps ctrl-T off. (specs in signature)

In normal frame sequential, in first Crib, I get 60fps on, 75fps off. Outside 48fps on, 54fps off.

As far as I know there is not very much difference at all between normal frame-sequential and red/blue. NVidia has said in their whitepaper that the only difference is the final step for rendering to screen, all of the prior pipeline is identical. Clearly there is some difference though- as seen above.


SR3 is notorious for being poorly optimized. Still, it doesn't seem to make sense that you drop so dramatically with 3D Discover.

Edit:This was all DX9. If you were trying DX11, try DX9.

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#15
Posted 08/09/2013 07:38 AM   
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