3D TVPLAY Question
I just purchased a Panasonic VT25 50" Plasma.

I understand that 3dTV Play software is required in order to use this with my system.

Videocard wise I am running 2x 280GTX cards in SLI.

My confusion is with what is required to get this working with the screen.

Do I need to buy 3Dtv Play AND 3d vision glasses in order to use the screen with the Panasonic glasses that came with it? Or do I just need to buy 3D tvplay?

Thanks!
I just purchased a Panasonic VT25 50" Plasma.



I understand that 3dTV Play software is required in order to use this with my system.



Videocard wise I am running 2x 280GTX cards in SLI.



My confusion is with what is required to get this working with the screen.



Do I need to buy 3Dtv Play AND 3d vision glasses in order to use the screen with the Panasonic glasses that came with it? Or do I just need to buy 3D tvplay?



Thanks!

#1
Posted 01/17/2011 04:38 PM   
[quote name='Nulltime' date='17 January 2011 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1295282330' post='1178437']
I just purchased a Panasonic VT25 50" Plasma.

I understand that 3dTV Play software is required in order to use this with my system.

Videocard wise I am running 2x 280GTX cards in SLI.

My confusion is with what is required to get this working with the screen.

Do I need to buy 3Dtv Play AND 3d vision glasses in order to use the screen with the Panasonic glasses that came with it? Or do I just need to buy 3D tvplay?

Thanks!
[/quote]

You just need 3dtv play
[quote name='Nulltime' date='17 January 2011 - 11:38 AM' timestamp='1295282330' post='1178437']

I just purchased a Panasonic VT25 50" Plasma.



I understand that 3dTV Play software is required in order to use this with my system.



Videocard wise I am running 2x 280GTX cards in SLI.



My confusion is with what is required to get this working with the screen.



Do I need to buy 3Dtv Play AND 3d vision glasses in order to use the screen with the Panasonic glasses that came with it? Or do I just need to buy 3D tvplay?



Thanks!





You just need 3dtv play

#2
Posted 01/17/2011 06:20 PM   
If you don't yet own a 3D Vision kit (the shutter glasses with an IR emitter) then you need to buy the standalone version of the 3DTV Play software only and you should be able to use the Panasonic 3D HDTV with 3DTV Play along with the shutter glasses that are made by Panasonic...

If you had the 3D Vision kit already, then you could take advantage of the free 3DTV Play functionality available for the owners of the kit and for that you only needed to have the IR emitter plugged in your PC. The 3D Vision shutter glasses are actually not needed as they are not compatible with any of the 3D HDTVs.
If you don't yet own a 3D Vision kit (the shutter glasses with an IR emitter) then you need to buy the standalone version of the 3DTV Play software only and you should be able to use the Panasonic 3D HDTV with 3DTV Play along with the shutter glasses that are made by Panasonic...



If you had the 3D Vision kit already, then you could take advantage of the free 3DTV Play functionality available for the owners of the kit and for that you only needed to have the IR emitter plugged in your PC. The 3D Vision shutter glasses are actually not needed as they are not compatible with any of the 3D HDTVs.

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#3
Posted 01/17/2011 06:24 PM   
[quote name='Bloody' date='17 January 2011 - 01:24 PM' timestamp='1295288670' post='1178478']
If you don't yet own a 3D Vision kit (the shutter glasses with an IR emitter) then you need to buy the standalone version of the 3DTV Play software only and you should be able to use the Panasonic 3D HDTV with 3DTV Play along with the shutter glasses that are made by Panasonic...

If you had the 3D Vision kit already, then you could take advantage of the free 3DTV Play functionality available for the owners of the kit and for that you only needed to have the IR emitter plugged in your PC. The 3D Vision shutter glasses are actually not needed as they are not compatible with any of the 3D HDTVs.
[/quote]

This doesn't make any sense to me, as I was speaking with a nvidia tech rep who said that since I had a laptop I had to buy, either, one of the new XPS models that had the built in IR emitter, or the vision kit to plug in the IR emitter.

But not with a desktop? Or, in fact, the new Alienware M17x R3 which doesn't appear on the compatible list, nor AFAIK have a built in emitter, but is being advertised as 3D ready?

I usually don't trust tech reps to know anything more than how to read a manual (poorly, with a thick Hindi accent) but I figured since this was a tech rep for a rather niche tech product he might know.

Has anyone gotten 3DTV play to work strictly standalone, without having the previous 3D Vision kit?
[quote name='Bloody' date='17 January 2011 - 01:24 PM' timestamp='1295288670' post='1178478']

If you don't yet own a 3D Vision kit (the shutter glasses with an IR emitter) then you need to buy the standalone version of the 3DTV Play software only and you should be able to use the Panasonic 3D HDTV with 3DTV Play along with the shutter glasses that are made by Panasonic...



If you had the 3D Vision kit already, then you could take advantage of the free 3DTV Play functionality available for the owners of the kit and for that you only needed to have the IR emitter plugged in your PC. The 3D Vision shutter glasses are actually not needed as they are not compatible with any of the 3D HDTVs.





This doesn't make any sense to me, as I was speaking with a nvidia tech rep who said that since I had a laptop I had to buy, either, one of the new XPS models that had the built in IR emitter, or the vision kit to plug in the IR emitter.



But not with a desktop? Or, in fact, the new Alienware M17x R3 which doesn't appear on the compatible list, nor AFAIK have a built in emitter, but is being advertised as 3D ready?



I usually don't trust tech reps to know anything more than how to read a manual (poorly, with a thick Hindi accent) but I figured since this was a tech rep for a rather niche tech product he might know.



Has anyone gotten 3DTV play to work strictly standalone, without having the previous 3D Vision kit?

#4
Posted 01/20/2011 04:09 PM   
[quote name='Nulltime' date='17 January 2011 - 09:38 AM' timestamp='1295282330' post='1178437']
I just purchased a Panasonic VT25 50" Plasma.

I understand that 3dTV Play software is required in order to use this with my system.

Videocard wise I am running 2x 280GTX cards in SLI.

My confusion is with what is required to get this working with the screen.

Do I need to buy 3Dtv Play AND 3d vision glasses in order to use the screen with the Panasonic glasses that came with it? Or do I just need to buy 3D tvplay?

Thanks!
[/quote]
Depends on what you want to do. If you want to play Blu Ray 3D discs, you don't need to buy anything, capability is in the general driver release. If you want to game, then it doesn't matter whether you use 3DTV Play or 3D Vision because Panasonic HDTVs are limited to low resolution downresed 1280x720 gaming in 3D, so you're stuck with bad image quality in no matter what. My advice is to ditch your Panasonic for a Samsung as Samsung is the only brand of Plasma/Led that offers 1920x1080 resolution 3D gaming.
I made the same mistake when I bought a Sony 3D Ready HDTV. I returned it to Amazon for a full refund and replaced it with a Samsung 3D Ready Plasma. The Samsung improvement in 3D gaming is staggering, can't be overstated.
[quote name='Nulltime' date='17 January 2011 - 09:38 AM' timestamp='1295282330' post='1178437']

I just purchased a Panasonic VT25 50" Plasma.



I understand that 3dTV Play software is required in order to use this with my system.



Videocard wise I am running 2x 280GTX cards in SLI.



My confusion is with what is required to get this working with the screen.



Do I need to buy 3Dtv Play AND 3d vision glasses in order to use the screen with the Panasonic glasses that came with it? Or do I just need to buy 3D tvplay?



Thanks!



Depends on what you want to do. If you want to play Blu Ray 3D discs, you don't need to buy anything, capability is in the general driver release. If you want to game, then it doesn't matter whether you use 3DTV Play or 3D Vision because Panasonic HDTVs are limited to low resolution downresed 1280x720 gaming in 3D, so you're stuck with bad image quality in no matter what. My advice is to ditch your Panasonic for a Samsung as Samsung is the only brand of Plasma/Led that offers 1920x1080 resolution 3D gaming.

I made the same mistake when I bought a Sony 3D Ready HDTV. I returned it to Amazon for a full refund and replaced it with a Samsung 3D Ready Plasma. The Samsung improvement in 3D gaming is staggering, can't be overstated.

#5
Posted 01/20/2011 05:45 PM   
I want to make sure i have this clear as well roller since i saw your other posts in another forum

I diteched the idea of getting the 3D vision kit and LCD monitor and i will be getting one of the new samsung 3d tvs (probably a 40 inch or the 32 if its available in a 3d model) they will be releasing soon and i will buy the 3dplay software, form what i have understood is that because these new ones have HDMI 1.4a i wont be able to play at except 720P 60HZ right?
I want to make sure i have this clear as well roller since i saw your other posts in another forum



I diteched the idea of getting the 3D vision kit and LCD monitor and i will be getting one of the new samsung 3d tvs (probably a 40 inch or the 32 if its available in a 3d model) they will be releasing soon and i will buy the 3dplay software, form what i have understood is that because these new ones have HDMI 1.4a i wont be able to play at except 720P 60HZ right?

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#6
Posted 01/20/2011 06:23 PM   
[quote name='Khaled_SLI' date='20 January 2011 - 01:23 PM' timestamp='1295547798' post='1180594']
I want to make sure i have this clear as well roller since i saw your other posts in another forum

I diteched the idea of getting the 3D vision kit and LCD monitor and i will be getting one of the new samsung 3d tvs (probably a 40 inch or the 32 if its available in a 3d model) they will be releasing soon and i will buy the 3dplay software, form what i have understood is that because these new ones have HDMI 1.4a i wont be able to play at except 720P 60HZ right?
[/quote]

Thank you for the responses guys! Yeah it looks like I will be limited to 720p gaming. On the up shot there is 0 cross talk and ghosting with this screen which will be nice as I can't tolerate that.

As far as I am aware all HDMI 1.4a connections are limited to 720p for some reason. Not sure why. If your screen uses the older 1.3 HDMI you can use 1920 x 1080 *boggle*

As to the Samsung I believe the 1920 x 1080 is via checkerboard. Pretty sure only the Samsung supports that.

I will probably be sticking with this screen since I got an utterly insane deal on it.

So to clarify.....

I can use just 3DTVPLAY software and I will be good to go?

Thanks!
[quote name='Khaled_SLI' date='20 January 2011 - 01:23 PM' timestamp='1295547798' post='1180594']

I want to make sure i have this clear as well roller since i saw your other posts in another forum



I diteched the idea of getting the 3D vision kit and LCD monitor and i will be getting one of the new samsung 3d tvs (probably a 40 inch or the 32 if its available in a 3d model) they will be releasing soon and i will buy the 3dplay software, form what i have understood is that because these new ones have HDMI 1.4a i wont be able to play at except 720P 60HZ right?





Thank you for the responses guys! Yeah it looks like I will be limited to 720p gaming. On the up shot there is 0 cross talk and ghosting with this screen which will be nice as I can't tolerate that.



As far as I am aware all HDMI 1.4a connections are limited to 720p for some reason. Not sure why. If your screen uses the older 1.3 HDMI you can use 1920 x 1080 *boggle*



As to the Samsung I believe the 1920 x 1080 is via checkerboard. Pretty sure only the Samsung supports that.



I will probably be sticking with this screen since I got an utterly insane deal on it.



So to clarify.....



I can use just 3DTVPLAY software and I will be good to go?



Thanks!

#7
Posted 01/20/2011 06:41 PM   
[quote name='Nulltime' date='20 January 2011 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1295548903' post='1180603']
Thank you for the responses guys! Yeah it looks like I will be limited to 720p gaming. On the up shot there is 0 cross talk and ghosting with this screen which will be nice as I can't tolerate that.

As far as I am aware all HDMI 1.4a connections are limited to 720p for some reason. Not sure why. If your screen uses the older 1.3 HDMI you can use 1920 x 1080 *boggle*

As to the Samsung I believe the 1920 x 1080 is via checkerboard. Pretty sure only the Samsung supports that.

I will probably be sticking with this screen since I got an utterly insane deal on it.

So to clarify.....

I can use just 3DTVPLAY software and I will be good to go?

Thanks!
[/quote]
[quote name='Nulltime' date='20 January 2011 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1295548903' post='1180603']

Thank you for the responses guys! Yeah it looks like I will be limited to 720p gaming. On the up shot there is 0 cross talk and ghosting with this screen which will be nice as I can't tolerate that.



As far as I am aware all HDMI 1.4a connections are limited to 720p for some reason. Not sure why. If your screen uses the older 1.3 HDMI you can use 1920 x 1080 *boggle*



As to the Samsung I believe the 1920 x 1080 is via checkerboard. Pretty sure only the Samsung supports that.



I will probably be sticking with this screen since I got an utterly insane deal on it.



So to clarify.....



I can use just 3DTVPLAY software and I will be good to go?



Thanks!

#8
Posted 01/20/2011 07:39 PM   
[quote name='Nulltime' date='20 January 2011 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1295548903' post='1180603']
Thank you for the responses guys! Yeah it looks like I will be limited to 720p gaming.[/quote]The prob isn't the 720P, it's that the 720P is displayed on a 1080P screen. Like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, there are unavoidable scaling errors that result in a 'muddy', blurred effect. 720P on a 720P screen looks as crisp and clean 1080P on 1080P, just not as detailed. [quote]On the up shot there is 0 cross talk and ghosting with this screen[/quote]Whoever told you that Panasonics are somehow immune to ghosting and double image has done you a great disservice. They are no better or worse than any other brand. There will always be some amount of that in 3D games regardless of resolution. Many factors affect the degree to which it happens, brand is not one of them.

[quote]As far as I am aware all HDMI 1.4a connections are limited to 720p for some reason. Not sure why.[/quote]All HDMI1.3 / 1.4 connections are single link. Dual Link is required to do 3D gaming at 1920x1080/60 per eye, framepacking. [quote]If your screen uses the older 1.3 HDMI you can use 1920 x 1080[/quote]Same goes for HDMI1.4, 1920x1080 checkerboard on Samsungs.

[quote]I can use just 3DTVPLAY software and I will be good to go?[/quote]Yes, your games will launch and you will see something on the screen, however blurred.
[quote name='Nulltime' date='20 January 2011 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1295548903' post='1180603']

Thank you for the responses guys! Yeah it looks like I will be limited to 720p gaming.The prob isn't the 720P, it's that the 720P is displayed on a 1080P screen. Like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, there are unavoidable scaling errors that result in a 'muddy', blurred effect. 720P on a 720P screen looks as crisp and clean 1080P on 1080P, just not as detailed.
On the up shot there is 0 cross talk and ghosting with this screen
Whoever told you that Panasonics are somehow immune to ghosting and double image has done you a great disservice. They are no better or worse than any other brand. There will always be some amount of that in 3D games regardless of resolution. Many factors affect the degree to which it happens, brand is not one of them.



As far as I am aware all HDMI 1.4a connections are limited to 720p for some reason. Not sure why.
All HDMI1.3 / 1.4 connections are single link. Dual Link is required to do 3D gaming at 1920x1080/60 per eye, framepacking.
If your screen uses the older 1.3 HDMI you can use 1920 x 1080
Same goes for HDMI1.4, 1920x1080 checkerboard on Samsungs.



I can use just 3DTVPLAY software and I will be good to go?
Yes, your games will launch and you will see something on the screen, however blurred.

#9
Posted 01/20/2011 08:02 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='20 January 2011 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1295545540' post='1180579']
Depends on what you want to do. If you want to play Blu Ray 3D discs, you don't need to buy anything, capability is in the general driver release. If you want to game, then it doesn't matter whether you use 3DTV Play or 3D Vision because Panasonic HDTVs are limited to low resolution downresed 1280x720 gaming in 3D, so you're stuck with bad image quality in no matter what. My advice is to ditch your Panasonic for a Samsung as Samsung is the only brand of Plasma/Led that offers 1920x1080 resolution 3D gaming.
I made the same mistake when I bought a Sony 3D Ready HDTV. I returned it to Amazon for a full refund and replaced it with a Samsung 3D Ready Plasma. The Samsung improvement in 3D gaming is staggering, can't be overstated.
[/quote]

What is the specific HDTV you purchased? I might be getting one soonish if my tax refund turns out to be happy and large. Also, does your TV work with 3d vision glasses?
[quote name='roller11' date='20 January 2011 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1295545540' post='1180579']

Depends on what you want to do. If you want to play Blu Ray 3D discs, you don't need to buy anything, capability is in the general driver release. If you want to game, then it doesn't matter whether you use 3DTV Play or 3D Vision because Panasonic HDTVs are limited to low resolution downresed 1280x720 gaming in 3D, so you're stuck with bad image quality in no matter what. My advice is to ditch your Panasonic for a Samsung as Samsung is the only brand of Plasma/Led that offers 1920x1080 resolution 3D gaming.

I made the same mistake when I bought a Sony 3D Ready HDTV. I returned it to Amazon for a full refund and replaced it with a Samsung 3D Ready Plasma. The Samsung improvement in 3D gaming is staggering, can't be overstated.





What is the specific HDTV you purchased? I might be getting one soonish if my tax refund turns out to be happy and large. Also, does your TV work with 3d vision glasses?

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#10
Posted 01/20/2011 08:06 PM   
[quote name='Khaled_SLI' date='20 January 2011 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1295547798' post='1180594']
I want to make sure i have this clear as well roller since i saw your other posts in another forum

I diteched the idea of getting the 3D vision kit and LCD monitor and i will be getting one of the new samsung 3d tvs (probably a 40 inch or the 32 if its available in a 3d model) they will be releasing soon and i will buy the 3dplay software, form what i have understood is that because these new ones have HDMI 1.4a i wont be able to play at except 720P 60HZ right?
[/quote]No, not at all. Both HDMI1.4a and HDMI1.3 do 1920x1080 checkerboard perfectly.
The key to this issue is understanding how the Nvidia 3D software works. For all revs through 258.69 / CD1.33, there was no 3DTV Play, only 3D Vision. So when the program went into set up, there was no reason to make a distinction between HDMI1.3 and 1.4, you get 3D Vision setup for both. (3D Vision=1920x1080 checkerboard). When 260.89 / CD1.37 released, the Set up program began checking the HDMI type, and forcing 3DTV Play (i.e. 720P) if a HDMI1.4 connection was found. So for 258.xx and earlier, you get beautiful 1920x1080 checkerboard on your 2010 Samsung HDMI1.4 TV. For 260.xx and later, HDMI1.4 TVs are doomed to ugly 1280x720 and all it's downscaling errors. But there is workaround, (two actually)
1. Do the hardware hack and then all current and future revs of Nvidia software will do 1920x1080 checkerboard with HDMI1.4 Tvs. (neither the TV or computer are hacked)

2. Use Tridef or iZ3D software, they support checkerboard. I've tested both and they work quite well, no hacks required, and you save the cost of a 3D Vision kit which you don't need.

Of course these fixes work only on checkerboard capable TVs like the Samsungs Plasmas/LEDs and the Mits DLPs. All other brands are doomed to bad image quality, no hack or software can save them, 720P is built into the TV. It may seem like a lot of trouble, but if you ever witnessed the superiority of checkerboard 1080P over 720P, you would understand why people reject 720P at all costs.

So why would Nvidia deny HDMI1.4 users this superior display mode when HDMI1.4 supports checkerboard? The short answer is because it makes the set up program *slightly* less complicated, saves a few lines of code.
Before March 2010, all 3D Ready plasmas, DLP Tvs did checkerboard hence a 'checkerboard only' set up. But in Mar. 2010, 3D Ready TVs appeared that did not do checkerboard, so these could not set up under 3D Vision which is checkerboard only. Nvidia's first/only idea was to lump all 2010 TVs together, checkerboard and non-checkerboard because all 2010 TVs work at low res 720P. Easiest thing to do was look at at the HDMI connection and if it was 1.4, then 720P would work. If 1.3 was found, checkerboard will always work. This was the first idea that came up, so nobody stopped to consider the bad side effect of this solution: Samsung and Mits 1.4 TVs would needlessly be forced into ugly 720P. Of course this bad side effect could be easily fixed by simply distinguishing between 1.4 checkerboard, and 1.4 non-checkerboard, but why bother? The only ones who suffer are the users, not Nvidia, so what's the problem?
[quote name='Khaled_SLI' date='20 January 2011 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1295547798' post='1180594']

I want to make sure i have this clear as well roller since i saw your other posts in another forum



I diteched the idea of getting the 3D vision kit and LCD monitor and i will be getting one of the new samsung 3d tvs (probably a 40 inch or the 32 if its available in a 3d model) they will be releasing soon and i will buy the 3dplay software, form what i have understood is that because these new ones have HDMI 1.4a i wont be able to play at except 720P 60HZ right?

No, not at all. Both HDMI1.4a and HDMI1.3 do 1920x1080 checkerboard perfectly.

The key to this issue is understanding how the Nvidia 3D software works. For all revs through 258.69 / CD1.33, there was no 3DTV Play, only 3D Vision. So when the program went into set up, there was no reason to make a distinction between HDMI1.3 and 1.4, you get 3D Vision setup for both. (3D Vision=1920x1080 checkerboard). When 260.89 / CD1.37 released, the Set up program began checking the HDMI type, and forcing 3DTV Play (i.e. 720P) if a HDMI1.4 connection was found. So for 258.xx and earlier, you get beautiful 1920x1080 checkerboard on your 2010 Samsung HDMI1.4 TV. For 260.xx and later, HDMI1.4 TVs are doomed to ugly 1280x720 and all it's downscaling errors. But there is workaround, (two actually)

1. Do the hardware hack and then all current and future revs of Nvidia software will do 1920x1080 checkerboard with HDMI1.4 Tvs. (neither the TV or computer are hacked)



2. Use Tridef or iZ3D software, they support checkerboard. I've tested both and they work quite well, no hacks required, and you save the cost of a 3D Vision kit which you don't need.



Of course these fixes work only on checkerboard capable TVs like the Samsungs Plasmas/LEDs and the Mits DLPs. All other brands are doomed to bad image quality, no hack or software can save them, 720P is built into the TV. It may seem like a lot of trouble, but if you ever witnessed the superiority of checkerboard 1080P over 720P, you would understand why people reject 720P at all costs.



So why would Nvidia deny HDMI1.4 users this superior display mode when HDMI1.4 supports checkerboard? The short answer is because it makes the set up program *slightly* less complicated, saves a few lines of code.

Before March 2010, all 3D Ready plasmas, DLP Tvs did checkerboard hence a 'checkerboard only' set up. But in Mar. 2010, 3D Ready TVs appeared that did not do checkerboard, so these could not set up under 3D Vision which is checkerboard only. Nvidia's first/only idea was to lump all 2010 TVs together, checkerboard and non-checkerboard because all 2010 TVs work at low res 720P. Easiest thing to do was look at at the HDMI connection and if it was 1.4, then 720P would work. If 1.3 was found, checkerboard will always work. This was the first idea that came up, so nobody stopped to consider the bad side effect of this solution: Samsung and Mits 1.4 TVs would needlessly be forced into ugly 720P. Of course this bad side effect could be easily fixed by simply distinguishing between 1.4 checkerboard, and 1.4 non-checkerboard, but why bother? The only ones who suffer are the users, not Nvidia, so what's the problem?

#11
Posted 01/20/2011 09:29 PM   
[quote name='roller11' date='20 January 2011 - 02:29 PM' timestamp='1295558977' post='1180683']
No, not at all. Both HDMI1.4a and HDMI1.3 do 1920x1080 checkerboard perfectly.
The key to this issue is understanding how the Nvidia 3D software works. For all revs through 258.69 / CD1.33, there was no 3DTV Play, only 3D Vision. So when the program went into set up, there was no reason to make a distinction between HDMI1.3 and 1.4, you get 3D Vision setup for both. (3D Vision=1920x1080 checkerboard). When 260.89 / CD1.37 released, the Set up program began checking the HDMI type, and forcing 3DTV Play (i.e. 720P) if a HDMI1.4 connection was found. So for 258.xx and earlier, you get beautiful 1920x1080 checkerboard on your 2010 Samsung HDMI1.4 TV. For 260.xx and later, HDMI1.4 TVs are doomed to ugly 1280x720 and all it's downscaling errors. But there is workaround, (two actually)
1. Do the hardware hack and then all current and future revs of Nvidia software will do 1920x1080 checkerboard with HDMI1.4 Tvs. (neither the TV or computer are hacked)

2. Use Tridef or iZ3D software, they support checkerboard. I've tested both and they work quite well, no hacks required, and you save the cost of a 3D Vision kit which you don't need.

Of course these fixes work only on checkerboard capable TVs like the Samsungs Plasmas/LEDs and the Mits DLPs. All other brands are doomed to bad image quality, no hack or software can save them, 720P is built into the TV. It may seem like a lot of trouble, but if you ever witnessed the superiority of checkerboard 1080P over 720P, you would understand why people reject 720P at all costs.

So why would Nvidia deny HDMI1.4 users this superior display mode when HDMI1.4 supports checkerboard? The short answer is because it makes the set up program *slightly* less complicated, saves a few lines of code.
Before March 2010, all 3D Ready plasmas, DLP Tvs did checkerboard hence a 'checkerboard only' set up. But in Mar. 2010, 3D Ready TVs appeared that did not do checkerboard, so these could not set up under 3D Vision which is checkerboard only. Nvidia's first/only idea was to lump all 2010 TVs together, checkerboard and non-checkerboard because all 2010 TVs work at low res 720P. Easiest thing to do was look at at the HDMI connection and if it was 1.4, then 720P would work. If 1.3 was found, checkerboard will always work. This was the first idea that came up, so nobody stopped to consider the bad side effect of this solution: Samsung and Mits 1.4 TVs would needlessly be forced into ugly 720P. Of course this bad side effect could be easily fixed by simply distinguishing between 1.4 checkerboard, and 1.4 non-checkerboard, but why bother? The only ones who suffer are the users, not Nvidia, so what's the problem?
[/quote]

True, but a hell of a lot of the blame is on HDMI and how backwards and half-assed it is (then there is HDCP which just makes the whole situation a complete joke). Along with TV manufacturers not pushing for decent 3D resolution because of the HDMI limitations. It's such crap either way. It is a product of what happens when you let content providers determine the hardware limitations. If we could just use dual link dvi (they can still use a smaller form cable of course) and forget HDCP, then we wouldn't be having these issues.
[quote name='roller11' date='20 January 2011 - 02:29 PM' timestamp='1295558977' post='1180683']

No, not at all. Both HDMI1.4a and HDMI1.3 do 1920x1080 checkerboard perfectly.

The key to this issue is understanding how the Nvidia 3D software works. For all revs through 258.69 / CD1.33, there was no 3DTV Play, only 3D Vision. So when the program went into set up, there was no reason to make a distinction between HDMI1.3 and 1.4, you get 3D Vision setup for both. (3D Vision=1920x1080 checkerboard). When 260.89 / CD1.37 released, the Set up program began checking the HDMI type, and forcing 3DTV Play (i.e. 720P) if a HDMI1.4 connection was found. So for 258.xx and earlier, you get beautiful 1920x1080 checkerboard on your 2010 Samsung HDMI1.4 TV. For 260.xx and later, HDMI1.4 TVs are doomed to ugly 1280x720 and all it's downscaling errors. But there is workaround, (two actually)

1. Do the hardware hack and then all current and future revs of Nvidia software will do 1920x1080 checkerboard with HDMI1.4 Tvs. (neither the TV or computer are hacked)



2. Use Tridef or iZ3D software, they support checkerboard. I've tested both and they work quite well, no hacks required, and you save the cost of a 3D Vision kit which you don't need.



Of course these fixes work only on checkerboard capable TVs like the Samsungs Plasmas/LEDs and the Mits DLPs. All other brands are doomed to bad image quality, no hack or software can save them, 720P is built into the TV. It may seem like a lot of trouble, but if you ever witnessed the superiority of checkerboard 1080P over 720P, you would understand why people reject 720P at all costs.



So why would Nvidia deny HDMI1.4 users this superior display mode when HDMI1.4 supports checkerboard? The short answer is because it makes the set up program *slightly* less complicated, saves a few lines of code.

Before March 2010, all 3D Ready plasmas, DLP Tvs did checkerboard hence a 'checkerboard only' set up. But in Mar. 2010, 3D Ready TVs appeared that did not do checkerboard, so these could not set up under 3D Vision which is checkerboard only. Nvidia's first/only idea was to lump all 2010 TVs together, checkerboard and non-checkerboard because all 2010 TVs work at low res 720P. Easiest thing to do was look at at the HDMI connection and if it was 1.4, then 720P would work. If 1.3 was found, checkerboard will always work. This was the first idea that came up, so nobody stopped to consider the bad side effect of this solution: Samsung and Mits 1.4 TVs would needlessly be forced into ugly 720P. Of course this bad side effect could be easily fixed by simply distinguishing between 1.4 checkerboard, and 1.4 non-checkerboard, but why bother? The only ones who suffer are the users, not Nvidia, so what's the problem?





True, but a hell of a lot of the blame is on HDMI and how backwards and half-assed it is (then there is HDCP which just makes the whole situation a complete joke). Along with TV manufacturers not pushing for decent 3D resolution because of the HDMI limitations. It's such crap either way. It is a product of what happens when you let content providers determine the hardware limitations. If we could just use dual link dvi (they can still use a smaller form cable of course) and forget HDCP, then we wouldn't be having these issues.

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#12
Posted 01/21/2011 08:24 PM   
Hello everyone, I apologize now for my bad english ..
are novice and want to know what I need to see a 3d bluray from my pc?
HDMI 1.4 video card I bought (GTX 570) then I have a samsung series tv3d ue40c7000wp.
I also need the kit 3d vision with the receiver and then use the tv glasses or does not need the kit with tv3d?
my tv3d is compatible ? thx
Hello everyone, I apologize now for my bad english ..

are novice and want to know what I need to see a 3d bluray from my pc?

HDMI 1.4 video card I bought (GTX 570) then I have a samsung series tv3d ue40c7000wp.

I also need the kit 3d vision with the receiver and then use the tv glasses or does not need the kit with tv3d?

my tv3d is compatible ? thx

#13
Posted 01/22/2011 11:48 PM   
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