3D Vision compatiblity a Lie or did they drop support? Metal Gear solid on compatibility list gets E
1 / 2
I have Dell XPS, Windows 7 64bit, GTX 480 & Mitsubishi WD-65837 DLP.
I use 3D Vision all the time.. Batman Arkham City, Mafia 2, Tomb Raider games etc.
In the Nvidia Control Panel under view compatible games I see this:
Metal Gear Solid: Excellent
But on Nvidia's site they don't even have Metal Gear Solid listed in the Nvidia Ratings search.. Same goes for these other games in the Nvidia Control panel game compatibility list:
Nightmare Cratures
Turok Dinosaur Hunter
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Get it? One list says compatible another list doesn't.
Now here's my problem and my question..
Problem:
With latest drivers 285 whql games like Grand Theft Auto Vice City doesn't even start in Nvidia 3D..
But if I roll back to old 266 drivers it does start in 3D..
This game isn't even on a compatibility list.
So I see the problem is this::
Nvidia must drop 3D vision support for some games after a new Firmware comes out but Nvidia does not say that games are dropped. Maybe that's why Metal Gear Solid will not start in 3D..
Now to my question::
What firmware and settings were used to rate Metal Gear Solid Excellent in 3D vision? Specifically, what resolution, what firmware, what ingredients because I've got a headache after a week of no luck at all.. I've installed under compatibility mode and everything. Please let me just get all the answers golly I'm done.
I want Nvidia to be more convenient.. I bought a bunch of games just because they had great Nvidia 3D vision ratings.
Like:
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
And now they don't run in 3D vision..
Well I need to know what Firmware, settings and which Windows they used to get those games rated in 3D vision so I won't have to pilfer around with trial and error anymore.
I've been trying to get Metal Gear Solid to work for a week. I've tried everything. No 3D Vision.
So what can I do? Will Nvidia release a compatibility list with instructions on how they got the games to work in 3D? Will they release a list that shows they dropped support for certain games?
Why don't the Nvidia Control Panel 3D games compatibility list & web site list match? Games are missing on the web site list compared to the control panels list.
My main question if nothing gets answered and if only one question could get answered is this:
What settings, what Firmware, what can I do to run Metal Gear Solid in 3D vision?
If I can get that answered I know I can run all the other games above in 3D vision cause they are all Windows 95 or Windows 98 based games..
So how about it? Any solutions to my questions? A week of frustration leads to this. I'm asking. How does Metal Gear, Turok Dinosaur Hunter, House of the Dead 1 etc get Nvidia 3D Vision ratings when I can't even get Metal Gear to run?
I would really like Nvidia to release all the notes on what settings they used to execute a successful 3D vision rating.. Or Nvidia to release a fully backwards compatibly firmware.. But a simple answer on what was used at the time to get those games to work in 3D vision would be good too.
3D Vision is awesome, I'm not knocking it. I'm just wanting it to be simple and convenient. I paid good money for all the games and equipment just for it.. Stuff should work properly and have instructions and tutorials. Metal Gear Sold in 3D Vision anybody? Can I get some answers?
I have Dell XPS, Windows 7 64bit, GTX 480 & Mitsubishi WD-65837 DLP.
I use 3D Vision all the time.. Batman Arkham City, Mafia 2, Tomb Raider games etc.
In the Nvidia Control Panel under view compatible games I see this:
Metal Gear Solid: Excellent
But on Nvidia's site they don't even have Metal Gear Solid listed in the Nvidia Ratings search.. Same goes for these other games in the Nvidia Control panel game compatibility list:
Nightmare Cratures
Turok Dinosaur Hunter
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Get it? One list says compatible another list doesn't.
Now here's my problem and my question..
Problem:
With latest drivers 285 whql games like Grand Theft Auto Vice City doesn't even start in Nvidia 3D..
But if I roll back to old 266 drivers it does start in 3D..
This game isn't even on a compatibility list.
So I see the problem is this::
Nvidia must drop 3D vision support for some games after a new Firmware comes out but Nvidia does not say that games are dropped. Maybe that's why Metal Gear Solid will not start in 3D..
Now to my question::
What firmware and settings were used to rate Metal Gear Solid Excellent in 3D vision? Specifically, what resolution, what firmware, what ingredients because I've got a headache after a week of no luck at all.. I've installed under compatibility mode and everything. Please let me just get all the answers golly I'm done.
I want Nvidia to be more convenient.. I bought a bunch of games just because they had great Nvidia 3D vision ratings.
Like:
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
And now they don't run in 3D vision..
Well I need to know what Firmware, settings and which Windows they used to get those games rated in 3D vision so I won't have to pilfer around with trial and error anymore.
I've been trying to get Metal Gear Solid to work for a week. I've tried everything. No 3D Vision.
So what can I do? Will Nvidia release a compatibility list with instructions on how they got the games to work in 3D? Will they release a list that shows they dropped support for certain games?
Why don't the Nvidia Control Panel 3D games compatibility list & web site list match? Games are missing on the web site list compared to the control panels list.
My main question if nothing gets answered and if only one question could get answered is this:
What settings, what Firmware, what can I do to run Metal Gear Solid in 3D vision?
If I can get that answered I know I can run all the other games above in 3D vision cause they are all Windows 95 or Windows 98 based games..
So how about it? Any solutions to my questions? A week of frustration leads to this. I'm asking. How does Metal Gear, Turok Dinosaur Hunter, House of the Dead 1 etc get Nvidia 3D Vision ratings when I can't even get Metal Gear to run?
I would really like Nvidia to release all the notes on what settings they used to execute a successful 3D vision rating.. Or Nvidia to release a fully backwards compatibly firmware.. But a simple answer on what was used at the time to get those games to work in 3D vision would be good too.
3D Vision is awesome, I'm not knocking it. I'm just wanting it to be simple and convenient. I paid good money for all the games and equipment just for it.. Stuff should work properly and have instructions and tutorials. Metal Gear Sold in 3D Vision anybody? Can I get some answers?
I'm having a hard time figuring out not only this game's system requirements but whether or not it runs in DX or OGL. If it is DirectX, I'm guessing it has to be DX9 at least
I'm having a hard time figuring out not only this game's system requirements but whether or not it runs in DX or OGL. If it is DirectX, I'm guessing it has to be DX9 at least
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
It is DX7, yeah its not going to work, no idea why its on that list. 3D Vision is only compatible with DX8 and up. Unless there is a remake I don't know about for the pc that runs in DX 9, it needs to be taken off the list. You CAN however, run this game with the old 3D Forceware drivers under XP. Requires third party glasses though.
It is DX7, yeah its not going to work, no idea why its on that list. 3D Vision is only compatible with DX8 and up. Unless there is a remake I don't know about for the pc that runs in DX 9, it needs to be taken off the list. You CAN however, run this game with the old 3D Forceware drivers under XP. Requires third party glasses though.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
[quote name='photios' date='14 December 2011 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1323880230' post='1342252']
MGS2 will work with 3D Vision, MGS on the other hand requires the old stereo driver.
[/quote]
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
[quote name='photios' date='14 December 2011 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1323880230' post='1342252']
MGS2 will work with 3D Vision, MGS on the other hand requires the old stereo driver.
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
[quote name='mr.ecool' date='14 December 2011 - 12:07 PM' timestamp='1323893224' post='1342328']
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
[/quote]
There are a bunch of older games that are rated at "excellent" that don't work. realMyst being one of them.
[quote name='mr.ecool' date='14 December 2011 - 12:07 PM' timestamp='1323893224' post='1342328']
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
There are a bunch of older games that are rated at "excellent" that don't work. realMyst being one of them.
Well I just tried Grand Theft Auto 2 which has a 3D Vision Rating and Driver: You are the Wheelman which has a 3D Vision Rating of Good and neither work.. Just like in Metal Gear I can turn 3D Vision on with CTRL T but there is no convergence aka double vision to support 3D..
This is bogus man. I wanted to play GTA 2 in 3D that way for sure I could tell height from depth.. This sucks. On another disappointment note I bought Dead Island on PC just because on the back it shows the 3D Vision Ready logo like Call of Duty Black Ops does.. I get it home and it's not 3D Vision ready and the Nvidia Web Site sons Dead Island is not recommended. Nvidia either needs to show tutorials on how they got there 3D Vision Ratings or quit false advertising and state their mistakes. I want answers or solutions.. How can I sell this PC 3D to my friends if our favorite games that are advertised as 3D Vision don't work or get lied about advertising? How the heck do I get these old Windows 98 games to work in 3D vision like NVidia advertises them to?
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
Driver: You Are the Wheelman
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter.
I asked this on Yahoo Answers. The only reply I got was try the Nvidia Forums.. Well here I am.
Well I just tried Grand Theft Auto 2 which has a 3D Vision Rating and Driver: You are the Wheelman which has a 3D Vision Rating of Good and neither work.. Just like in Metal Gear I can turn 3D Vision on with CTRL T but there is no convergence aka double vision to support 3D..
This is bogus man. I wanted to play GTA 2 in 3D that way for sure I could tell height from depth.. This sucks. On another disappointment note I bought Dead Island on PC just because on the back it shows the 3D Vision Ready logo like Call of Duty Black Ops does.. I get it home and it's not 3D Vision ready and the Nvidia Web Site sons Dead Island is not recommended. Nvidia either needs to show tutorials on how they got there 3D Vision Ratings or quit false advertising and state their mistakes. I want answers or solutions.. How can I sell this PC 3D to my friends if our favorite games that are advertised as 3D Vision don't work or get lied about advertising? How the heck do I get these old Windows 98 games to work in 3D vision like NVidia advertises them to?
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
Driver: You Are the Wheelman
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter.
I asked this on Yahoo Answers. The only reply I got was try the Nvidia Forums.. Well here I am.
Well to give a brief history, Nvidia supported an "open standard" version of 3D as far back as 2000. In 2008, they re-launched what they consider a new 3D initiative called 3D Vision. They consider these products and offerings to be different.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
Well to give a brief history, Nvidia supported an "open standard" version of 3D as far back as 2000. In 2008, they re-launched what they consider a new 3D initiative called 3D Vision. They consider these products and offerings to be different.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
[quote name='chiz' date='31 December 2011 - 04:41 PM' timestamp='1325349711' post='1349686']
Well to give a brief history, Nvidia supported an "open standard" version of 3D as far back as 2000. In 2008, they re-launched what they consider a new 3D initiative called 3D Vision. They consider these products and offerings to be different.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
[/quote]
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
[quote name='chiz' date='31 December 2011 - 04:41 PM' timestamp='1325349711' post='1349686']
Well to give a brief history, Nvidia supported an "open standard" version of 3D as far back as 2000. In 2008, they re-launched what they consider a new 3D initiative called 3D Vision. They consider these products and offerings to be different.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
Hi, I can understand the frustration as I've seen many others post about this confusion periodically for as long as I've used 3D Vision (early 2010).
I don't know too much about the legacy 3D stuff, honestly I dismissed 3D back then as a non-starter for a variety of reasons, mainly due to available hardware and performance. The legacy 3D was compatible with CRTs capable of 80+Hz refresh I believe and required some compatible 3rd party glasses. Elsa Revelators for example. Near the end of official support for the legacy drivers (2006-2007), I believe some DLP PJs and HDTVs gained support and used DLP link glasses.
The other part of the equation is that you need legacy GeForce hardware, pre-G80 (no DX10+ parts supported at all) and WinXP. You'll see some users here value their GeForce 78xx/79xx hardware more than their current hardware because of this. You can clearly see, the support configurations are very limited here. Around the same time, Nvidia cut support for OpenGL in their auto-stereo driver. It was just a rough span for Nvidia and most other IHV/ISV during that Vista/DX10/unified shader architecture transition.
Photios and Likay would be the ones here to give you tips and suggestions on what you need to get things running, but at this point its all getting really difficult due to all the legacy hardware/software involved.
So basically, if you want to play those old games with modern 3D Vision and GeForce equipment, its virtually impossible using the old legacy stereo 3D drivers. Your best bet at this point is to look at emulators for really old games. I'm not sure about PS1 or PS2 emu support, but I've seen a lot of positive comments about Dolphin with 3D Vision (Nintendo emulator).
Hi, I can understand the frustration as I've seen many others post about this confusion periodically for as long as I've used 3D Vision (early 2010).
I don't know too much about the legacy 3D stuff, honestly I dismissed 3D back then as a non-starter for a variety of reasons, mainly due to available hardware and performance. The legacy 3D was compatible with CRTs capable of 80+Hz refresh I believe and required some compatible 3rd party glasses. Elsa Revelators for example. Near the end of official support for the legacy drivers (2006-2007), I believe some DLP PJs and HDTVs gained support and used DLP link glasses.
The other part of the equation is that you need legacy GeForce hardware, pre-G80 (no DX10+ parts supported at all) and WinXP. You'll see some users here value their GeForce 78xx/79xx hardware more than their current hardware because of this. You can clearly see, the support configurations are very limited here. Around the same time, Nvidia cut support for OpenGL in their auto-stereo driver. It was just a rough span for Nvidia and most other IHV/ISV during that Vista/DX10/unified shader architecture transition.
Photios and Likay would be the ones here to give you tips and suggestions on what you need to get things running, but at this point its all getting really difficult due to all the legacy hardware/software involved.
So basically, if you want to play those old games with modern 3D Vision and GeForce equipment, its virtually impossible using the old legacy stereo 3D drivers. Your best bet at this point is to look at emulators for really old games. I'm not sure about PS1 or PS2 emu support, but I've seen a lot of positive comments about Dolphin with 3D Vision (Nintendo emulator).
[quote name='Zloth' date='07 January 2012 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1325958741' post='1352936']
Wait, the older games are OFF the GeForce list? Excellent! I know the driver list is still bad but at least that IS progress!
[/quote]
Older games are still listed in the driver compatibility list, I think the online lists are more up-to-date though but still with some inconsistencies. There's probably at least 3 versions though the one on Nvidia.com, GeForce.com (with the other NV technologies) and the one in the driver. I think its more of a house cleaning situation more than anything, someone just needs to go through the driver list and check compatibility for older games, but that's obviously very time consuming.
This list is probably the most accurate, just scanning through it I saw a lot of the older games were not included here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-games.html
Make sure to use the drop down menu to choose which 3D Rating category to see more games.
[quote name='Zloth' date='07 January 2012 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1325958741' post='1352936']
Wait, the older games are OFF the GeForce list? Excellent! I know the driver list is still bad but at least that IS progress!
Older games are still listed in the driver compatibility list, I think the online lists are more up-to-date though but still with some inconsistencies. There's probably at least 3 versions though the one on Nvidia.com, GeForce.com (with the other NV technologies) and the one in the driver. I think its more of a house cleaning situation more than anything, someone just needs to go through the driver list and check compatibility for older games, but that's obviously very time consuming.
This list is probably the most accurate, just scanning through it I saw a lot of the older games were not included here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-games.html
Make sure to use the drop down menu to choose which 3D Rating category to see more games.
[quote name='mr.ecool' date='06 January 2012 - 08:00 PM' timestamp='1325898024' post='1352638']
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
[/quote]
Well, you can play all those old games (DX 7 - DX9) but here is what you will need.
A CRT monitor that can do at least 60hz. A 3D capable LCD screen might work if it has a VGA port on the back of it. I will tell you why in a minute.
A PC with Windows XP installed on it
An Nvidia 7xxx series graphics card (7300, 7950, etc..)
Nvidia forceware 162.50 or lower and the accompanying 162.50 stereo companion driver
A pair of 3D shutter glasses that ARE NOT Nvidia 3D Vision. You will most likely need ones like what Edimensional sells as they come with a dongle that attaches to the VGA port and provides sync. These comes in wired and wireless versions. Various companies sell these though.
With a decently powerful card like the 7950 and this setup you will be able to run everything DOOM 3 and down. This includes DX7-DX9 and OpenGL. Anything newer than that in my experience crosses into the 8xxx series and up which is only compatible with 3D vision. If your tv can handle true 120hz and is vga compatible then this just might work. Hope that helps.
[quote name='mr.ecool' date='06 January 2012 - 08:00 PM' timestamp='1325898024' post='1352638']
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
Well, you can play all those old games (DX 7 - DX9) but here is what you will need.
A CRT monitor that can do at least 60hz. A 3D capable LCD screen might work if it has a VGA port on the back of it. I will tell you why in a minute.
A PC with Windows XP installed on it
An Nvidia 7xxx series graphics card (7300, 7950, etc..)
Nvidia forceware 162.50 or lower and the accompanying 162.50 stereo companion driver
A pair of 3D shutter glasses that ARE NOT Nvidia 3D Vision. You will most likely need ones like what Edimensional sells as they come with a dongle that attaches to the VGA port and provides sync. These comes in wired and wireless versions. Various companies sell these though.
With a decently powerful card like the 7950 and this setup you will be able to run everything DOOM 3 and down. This includes DX7-DX9 and OpenGL. Anything newer than that in my experience crosses into the 8xxx series and up which is only compatible with 3D vision. If your tv can handle true 120hz and is vga compatible then this just might work. Hope that helps.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
Looks like the NVIDIA website is still using old data, too. Gothic 2 is still sitting on 3 stars even though it can run under 3D Vision at all.
Honestly, instead of going back and fixing, maybe they should just cut it off. 3D Vision came out in 2008 so, if they just cut out any rating made earlier than 2009, they should be good.
[url=http://www.mtbs3d.com/gg3d/]MTSB[/url] has gotten a fairly good list together. That will even let you see if support has changed (for better or worse) with new drivers and game updates.
Looks like the NVIDIA website is still using old data, too. Gothic 2 is still sitting on 3 stars even though it can run under 3D Vision at all.
Honestly, instead of going back and fixing, maybe they should just cut it off. 3D Vision came out in 2008 so, if they just cut out any rating made earlier than 2009, they should be good.
MTSB has gotten a fairly good list together. That will even let you see if support has changed (for better or worse) with new drivers and game updates.
I use 3D Vision all the time.. Batman Arkham City, Mafia 2, Tomb Raider games etc.
In the Nvidia Control Panel under view compatible games I see this:
Metal Gear Solid: Excellent
But on Nvidia's site they don't even have Metal Gear Solid listed in the Nvidia Ratings search.. Same goes for these other games in the Nvidia Control panel game compatibility list:
Nightmare Cratures
Turok Dinosaur Hunter
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Get it? One list says compatible another list doesn't.
Now here's my problem and my question..
Problem:
With latest drivers 285 whql games like Grand Theft Auto Vice City doesn't even start in Nvidia 3D..
But if I roll back to old 266 drivers it does start in 3D..
This game isn't even on a compatibility list.
So I see the problem is this::
Nvidia must drop 3D vision support for some games after a new Firmware comes out but Nvidia does not say that games are dropped. Maybe that's why Metal Gear Solid will not start in 3D..
Now to my question::
What firmware and settings were used to rate Metal Gear Solid Excellent in 3D vision? Specifically, what resolution, what firmware, what ingredients because I've got a headache after a week of no luck at all.. I've installed under compatibility mode and everything. Please let me just get all the answers golly I'm done.
I want Nvidia to be more convenient.. I bought a bunch of games just because they had great Nvidia 3D vision ratings.
Like:
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
And now they don't run in 3D vision..
Well I need to know what Firmware, settings and which Windows they used to get those games rated in 3D vision so I won't have to pilfer around with trial and error anymore.
I've been trying to get Metal Gear Solid to work for a week. I've tried everything. No 3D Vision.
So what can I do? Will Nvidia release a compatibility list with instructions on how they got the games to work in 3D? Will they release a list that shows they dropped support for certain games?
Why don't the Nvidia Control Panel 3D games compatibility list & web site list match? Games are missing on the web site list compared to the control panels list.
My main question if nothing gets answered and if only one question could get answered is this:
What settings, what Firmware, what can I do to run Metal Gear Solid in 3D vision?
If I can get that answered I know I can run all the other games above in 3D vision cause they are all Windows 95 or Windows 98 based games..
So how about it? Any solutions to my questions? A week of frustration leads to this. I'm asking. How does Metal Gear, Turok Dinosaur Hunter, House of the Dead 1 etc get Nvidia 3D Vision ratings when I can't even get Metal Gear to run?
I would really like Nvidia to release all the notes on what settings they used to execute a successful 3D vision rating.. Or Nvidia to release a fully backwards compatibly firmware.. But a simple answer on what was used at the time to get those games to work in 3D vision would be good too.
3D Vision is awesome, I'm not knocking it. I'm just wanting it to be simple and convenient. I paid good money for all the games and equipment just for it.. Stuff should work properly and have instructions and tutorials. Metal Gear Sold in 3D Vision anybody? Can I get some answers?
I use 3D Vision all the time.. Batman Arkham City, Mafia 2, Tomb Raider games etc.
In the Nvidia Control Panel under view compatible games I see this:
Metal Gear Solid: Excellent
But on Nvidia's site they don't even have Metal Gear Solid listed in the Nvidia Ratings search.. Same goes for these other games in the Nvidia Control panel game compatibility list:
Nightmare Cratures
Turok Dinosaur Hunter
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Get it? One list says compatible another list doesn't.
Now here's my problem and my question..
Problem:
With latest drivers 285 whql games like Grand Theft Auto Vice City doesn't even start in Nvidia 3D..
But if I roll back to old 266 drivers it does start in 3D..
This game isn't even on a compatibility list.
So I see the problem is this::
Nvidia must drop 3D vision support for some games after a new Firmware comes out but Nvidia does not say that games are dropped. Maybe that's why Metal Gear Solid will not start in 3D..
Now to my question::
What firmware and settings were used to rate Metal Gear Solid Excellent in 3D vision? Specifically, what resolution, what firmware, what ingredients because I've got a headache after a week of no luck at all.. I've installed under compatibility mode and everything. Please let me just get all the answers golly I'm done.
I want Nvidia to be more convenient.. I bought a bunch of games just because they had great Nvidia 3D vision ratings.
Like:
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
And now they don't run in 3D vision..
Well I need to know what Firmware, settings and which Windows they used to get those games rated in 3D vision so I won't have to pilfer around with trial and error anymore.
I've been trying to get Metal Gear Solid to work for a week. I've tried everything. No 3D Vision.
So what can I do? Will Nvidia release a compatibility list with instructions on how they got the games to work in 3D? Will they release a list that shows they dropped support for certain games?
Why don't the Nvidia Control Panel 3D games compatibility list & web site list match? Games are missing on the web site list compared to the control panels list.
My main question if nothing gets answered and if only one question could get answered is this:
What settings, what Firmware, what can I do to run Metal Gear Solid in 3D vision?
If I can get that answered I know I can run all the other games above in 3D vision cause they are all Windows 95 or Windows 98 based games..
So how about it? Any solutions to my questions? A week of frustration leads to this. I'm asking. How does Metal Gear, Turok Dinosaur Hunter, House of the Dead 1 etc get Nvidia 3D Vision ratings when I can't even get Metal Gear to run?
I would really like Nvidia to release all the notes on what settings they used to execute a successful 3D vision rating.. Or Nvidia to release a fully backwards compatibly firmware.. But a simple answer on what was used at the time to get those games to work in 3D vision would be good too.
3D Vision is awesome, I'm not knocking it. I'm just wanting it to be simple and convenient. I paid good money for all the games and equipment just for it.. Stuff should work properly and have instructions and tutorials. Metal Gear Sold in 3D Vision anybody? Can I get some answers?
Metal Gear Solid - excellent
I'm having a hard time figuring out not only this game's system requirements but whether or not it runs in DX or OGL. If it is DirectX, I'm guessing it has to be DX9 at least
Metal Gear Solid - excellent
I'm having a hard time figuring out not only this game's system requirements but whether or not it runs in DX or OGL. If it is DirectX, I'm guessing it has to be DX9 at least
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
This is gonna require a PM to Andrew about why its on that list.
UPDATE:
Here is the list of pc specs required for that game.
http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=27675&tab=sysreqs
It is DX7, yeah its not going to work, no idea why its on that list. 3D Vision is only compatible with DX8 and up. Unless there is a remake I don't know about for the pc that runs in DX 9, it needs to be taken off the list. You CAN however, run this game with the old 3D Forceware drivers under XP. Requires third party glasses though.
This is gonna require a PM to Andrew about why its on that list.
UPDATE:
Here is the list of pc specs required for that game.
http://www.allgame.com/game.php?id=27675&tab=sysreqs
It is DX7, yeah its not going to work, no idea why its on that list. 3D Vision is only compatible with DX8 and up. Unless there is a remake I don't know about for the pc that runs in DX 9, it needs to be taken off the list. You CAN however, run this game with the old 3D Forceware drivers under XP. Requires third party glasses though.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
MGS2 will work with 3D Vision, MGS on the other hand requires the old stereo driver.
[/quote]
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
MGS2 will work with 3D Vision, MGS on the other hand requires the old stereo driver.
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
[/quote]
There are a bunch of older games that are rated at "excellent" that don't work. realMyst being one of them.
If you are sure about that, what is the specifics tutorial? The question still stands.. How to get Metal Gear Solid to work with Nvidia 3D Vision as advertised.
There are a bunch of older games that are rated at "excellent" that don't work. realMyst being one of them.
This is bogus man. I wanted to play GTA 2 in 3D that way for sure I could tell height from depth.. This sucks. On another disappointment note I bought Dead Island on PC just because on the back it shows the 3D Vision Ready logo like Call of Duty Black Ops does.. I get it home and it's not 3D Vision ready and the Nvidia Web Site sons Dead Island is not recommended. Nvidia either needs to show tutorials on how they got there 3D Vision Ratings or quit false advertising and state their mistakes. I want answers or solutions.. How can I sell this PC 3D to my friends if our favorite games that are advertised as 3D Vision don't work or get lied about advertising? How the heck do I get these old Windows 98 games to work in 3D vision like NVidia advertises them to?
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
Driver: You Are the Wheelman
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter.
I asked this on Yahoo Answers. The only reply I got was try the Nvidia Forums.. Well here I am.
This is bogus man. I wanted to play GTA 2 in 3D that way for sure I could tell height from depth.. This sucks. On another disappointment note I bought Dead Island on PC just because on the back it shows the 3D Vision Ready logo like Call of Duty Black Ops does.. I get it home and it's not 3D Vision ready and the Nvidia Web Site sons Dead Island is not recommended. Nvidia either needs to show tutorials on how they got there 3D Vision Ratings or quit false advertising and state their mistakes. I want answers or solutions.. How can I sell this PC 3D to my friends if our favorite games that are advertised as 3D Vision don't work or get lied about advertising? How the heck do I get these old Windows 98 games to work in 3D vision like NVidia advertises them to?
Nightmare Cratures
Fighting Force
House of the Dead 1
Grand Theft Auto 2
Metal Gear Solid
Driver: You Are the Wheelman
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter.
I asked this on Yahoo Answers. The only reply I got was try the Nvidia Forums.. Well here I am.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings
Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W
Well to give a brief history, Nvidia supported an "open standard" version of 3D as far back as 2000. In 2008, they re-launched what they consider a new 3D initiative called 3D Vision. They consider these products and offerings to be different.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
[/quote]
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
Well to give a brief history, Nvidia supported an "open standard" version of 3D as far back as 2000. In 2008, they re-launched what they consider a new 3D initiative called 3D Vision. They consider these products and offerings to be different.
The problem as you have noticed, is that they carried over the old ratings for legacy 3D pre-3D Vision games to the current drivers, when their current 3D Vision product does not support them in 3D. So while it is technically not a "lie", it is certainly a bit deceptive and hypocritical for Nvidia to continue using the rating of these older legacy 3D games when 3D Vision is their only currently relevant 3D technology. They should not be using these games as part of their "Over 500 supported 3D titles", but then hide behind the claim the old stereo driver product is different every time something like this (or the OpenGL legacy situation) arises.
In the end it really doesn't matter too much, nothing to get that mad over imo. If a game is pre-2008 and not at least DX9 its hit or miss with 3D Vision. If a game is newer than 2008, pretty good chance it works in 3D if its not OpenGL. I think Nvidia banks on the fact most people buy the latest and greatest tech to play newer games, rather than revisiting old ones and I think for the most part, they're right.
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
I don't know too much about the legacy 3D stuff, honestly I dismissed 3D back then as a non-starter for a variety of reasons, mainly due to available hardware and performance. The legacy 3D was compatible with CRTs capable of 80+Hz refresh I believe and required some compatible 3rd party glasses. Elsa Revelators for example. Near the end of official support for the legacy drivers (2006-2007), I believe some DLP PJs and HDTVs gained support and used DLP link glasses.
The other part of the equation is that you need legacy GeForce hardware, pre-G80 (no DX10+ parts supported at all) and WinXP. You'll see some users here value their GeForce 78xx/79xx hardware more than their current hardware because of this. You can clearly see, the support configurations are very limited here. Around the same time, Nvidia cut support for OpenGL in their auto-stereo driver. It was just a rough span for Nvidia and most other IHV/ISV during that Vista/DX10/unified shader architecture transition.
Photios and Likay would be the ones here to give you tips and suggestions on what you need to get things running, but at this point its all getting really difficult due to all the legacy hardware/software involved.
So basically, if you want to play those old games with modern 3D Vision and GeForce equipment, its virtually impossible using the old legacy stereo 3D drivers. Your best bet at this point is to look at emulators for really old games. I'm not sure about PS1 or PS2 emu support, but I've seen a lot of positive comments about Dolphin with 3D Vision (Nintendo emulator).
I don't know too much about the legacy 3D stuff, honestly I dismissed 3D back then as a non-starter for a variety of reasons, mainly due to available hardware and performance. The legacy 3D was compatible with CRTs capable of 80+Hz refresh I believe and required some compatible 3rd party glasses. Elsa Revelators for example. Near the end of official support for the legacy drivers (2006-2007), I believe some DLP PJs and HDTVs gained support and used DLP link glasses.
The other part of the equation is that you need legacy GeForce hardware, pre-G80 (no DX10+ parts supported at all) and WinXP. You'll see some users here value their GeForce 78xx/79xx hardware more than their current hardware because of this. You can clearly see, the support configurations are very limited here. Around the same time, Nvidia cut support for OpenGL in their auto-stereo driver. It was just a rough span for Nvidia and most other IHV/ISV during that Vista/DX10/unified shader architecture transition.
Photios and Likay would be the ones here to give you tips and suggestions on what you need to get things running, but at this point its all getting really difficult due to all the legacy hardware/software involved.
So basically, if you want to play those old games with modern 3D Vision and GeForce equipment, its virtually impossible using the old legacy stereo 3D drivers. Your best bet at this point is to look at emulators for really old games. I'm not sure about PS1 or PS2 emu support, but I've seen a lot of positive comments about Dolphin with 3D Vision (Nintendo emulator).
-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings
Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W
Wait, the older games are OFF the GeForce list? Excellent! I know the driver list is still bad but at least that IS progress!
[/quote]
Older games are still listed in the driver compatibility list, I think the online lists are more up-to-date though but still with some inconsistencies. There's probably at least 3 versions though the one on Nvidia.com, GeForce.com (with the other NV technologies) and the one in the driver. I think its more of a house cleaning situation more than anything, someone just needs to go through the driver list and check compatibility for older games, but that's obviously very time consuming.
This list is probably the most accurate, just scanning through it I saw a lot of the older games were not included here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-games.html
Make sure to use the drop down menu to choose which 3D Rating category to see more games.
Wait, the older games are OFF the GeForce list? Excellent! I know the driver list is still bad but at least that IS progress!
Older games are still listed in the driver compatibility list, I think the online lists are more up-to-date though but still with some inconsistencies. There's probably at least 3 versions though the one on Nvidia.com, GeForce.com (with the other NV technologies) and the one in the driver. I think its more of a house cleaning situation more than anything, someone just needs to go through the driver list and check compatibility for older games, but that's obviously very time consuming.
This list is probably the most accurate, just scanning through it I saw a lot of the older games were not included here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-games.html
Make sure to use the drop down menu to choose which 3D Rating category to see more games.
-=HeliX=- Mod 3DV Game Fixes
My 3D Vision Games List Ratings
Intel Core i7 5930K @4.5GHz | Gigabyte X99 Gaming 5 | Win10 x64 Pro | Corsair H105
Nvidia GeForce Titan X SLI Hybrid | ROG Swift PG278Q 144Hz + 3D Vision/G-Sync | 32GB Adata DDR4 2666
Intel Samsung 950Pro SSD | Samsung EVO 4x1 RAID 0 |
Yamaha VX-677 A/V Receiver | Polk Audio RM6880 7.1 | LG Blu-Ray
Auzen X-Fi HT HD | Logitech G710/G502/G27 | Corsair Air 540 | EVGA P2-1200W
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
[/quote]
Well, you can play all those old games (DX 7 - DX9) but here is what you will need.
A CRT monitor that can do at least 60hz. A 3D capable LCD screen might work if it has a VGA port on the back of it. I will tell you why in a minute.
A PC with Windows XP installed on it
An Nvidia 7xxx series graphics card (7300, 7950, etc..)
Nvidia forceware 162.50 or lower and the accompanying 162.50 stereo companion driver
A pair of 3D shutter glasses that ARE NOT Nvidia 3D Vision. You will most likely need ones like what Edimensional sells as they come with a dongle that attaches to the VGA port and provides sync. These comes in wired and wireless versions. Various companies sell these though.
With a decently powerful card like the 7950 and this setup you will be able to run everything DOOM 3 and down. This includes DX7-DX9 and OpenGL. Anything newer than that in my experience crosses into the 8xxx series and up which is only compatible with 3D vision. If your tv can handle true 120hz and is vga compatible then this just might work. Hope that helps.
Hey thanks for the reply. It's been really hard to get any answers on this big false advertising flop..
My deal is this.. 2 years ago I jumped on to the HDTV band wagon. Then the PC gaming scene. Upon doing so I found out that all of my old games I own are inferior on PS1 and N64 compared to PC.. From Amiga 500 to Windows 7, PC has had the edge most of the time with gaming. So then I hear that not only do my favorite games look best on PC but also some support 3D Vision..
I've been buying up legacy games and PC stuff for over 2 years.. I'm a big Stereoscopic 3D fan.. Metal Gear Solid in 3D and Nightmare Creatures in 3D would be totally awesome.
Well my question now is this: If 3D Vision is not what is advertised that these games go excellent ratings in, then what was and what do I have to get to play these games in their Stereoscopic 3D form?
What hardware do I need to get that StereoScopic legacy "Open Standared"/3D Vision to work on my Mitsubishi 65837 DLP? If their not false advertising, then I need to know what the heck they used to get their excellent 3D ratings.
Well, you can play all those old games (DX 7 - DX9) but here is what you will need.
A CRT monitor that can do at least 60hz. A 3D capable LCD screen might work if it has a VGA port on the back of it. I will tell you why in a minute.
A PC with Windows XP installed on it
An Nvidia 7xxx series graphics card (7300, 7950, etc..)
Nvidia forceware 162.50 or lower and the accompanying 162.50 stereo companion driver
A pair of 3D shutter glasses that ARE NOT Nvidia 3D Vision. You will most likely need ones like what Edimensional sells as they come with a dongle that attaches to the VGA port and provides sync. These comes in wired and wireless versions. Various companies sell these though.
With a decently powerful card like the 7950 and this setup you will be able to run everything DOOM 3 and down. This includes DX7-DX9 and OpenGL. Anything newer than that in my experience crosses into the 8xxx series and up which is only compatible with 3D vision. If your tv can handle true 120hz and is vga compatible then this just might work. Hope that helps.
AMD Phenom II X3 720 @ 2.8GHZ
8GB RAM
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb @ 2048x1536 @ 85hz
Edimensional glasses and Nvidia 3D Vision
Honestly, instead of going back and fixing, maybe they should just cut it off. 3D Vision came out in 2008 so, if they just cut out any rating made earlier than 2009, they should be good.
[url=http://www.mtbs3d.com/gg3d/]MTSB[/url] has gotten a fairly good list together. That will even let you see if support has changed (for better or worse) with new drivers and game updates.
Honestly, instead of going back and fixing, maybe they should just cut it off. 3D Vision came out in 2008 so, if they just cut out any rating made earlier than 2009, they should be good.
MTSB has gotten a fairly good list together. That will even let you see if support has changed (for better or worse) with new drivers and game updates.