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[quote="mike_ar69"][quote="Exposed123"][quote="mike_ar69"][quote="Exposed123"] [quote] I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.[/quote] That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition. I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8? If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? [/quote] Your attitude stinks. Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background. We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL". Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?[/quote] Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1 [/quote] Of course it's not because you're on Win 8.1, it was this comment right here: "If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?" You were suggesting that you had been misled, when our own release notes say we had not developed it or tested it on Win 8.1. That's where I draw my line. And there is nothing elitist about it - we are not supporting Win 8.1 directly because we can't do everything. What do you think we do all day, sit here fixing games for ungrateful people like you? We have families and full time jobs. Saying "will not even look at it" suggests a degree of entitlement from you that irritates me severely. 3DMigoto is open source - look at Win 8.1 issues yourself, make DAI work yourself, solve the stability problems yourself. I regret using the F-word actually, it was a bit over the top, but just take a quick look at how that last sentence of yours comes across. [/quote] Sorry Mike, but these were your exact words: "If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, [b]and no one is going to do anything to sort that out[/b]. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1[b] my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment[/b]" So how exactly is that supposed to be taken? I didn't even know there was a slew of 3D issues with Windows 8.1 until this game, because I never experienced them myself for the last year. I see people have issues with Sweetfx, but really, that doesn't stop 3D fixes itself from working, those issues need to be settled with SweetFX creators. So far the only fix that works with Windows 7 and not Windows 8.1 is Dragon Age Inquisition, and I would like to help getting to the bottom of it and assist if necessary. Instead, I get an elitist response from you and you even said "3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background." So again, can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help?
mike_ar69 said:
Exposed123 said:
mike_ar69 said:
Exposed123 said:

I might be missing something here, and whereas this is all really interesting stuff, isn't it an objective fact that right now Win8.1 has more issues in more games when running **3D Vision**? That certainly seems to be our experience over the past year. If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment, not to be rude or dismissive, but because we say in the release notes that we did not develop or test on Win 8.1.


That's the thing, what are these issues? I built this computer 1 year and haven't experienced a single issue with a fix, even with other DX11 games like Bioshock Infinite and Alien Isolation, until very recently with Dragon Age inquisition.

I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?


If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?


Your attitude stinks.
Maybe you should do your own research on these Forums for the issues people have had? 3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background.
We don't have to do anything for anybody, so yes you are "SOL".
Maybe you should fuck off and fix your own games?


Well, that seemed uncalled for. So you worked with Windows 8.1 to get around some of the issues 3D Migito had with it? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help? Sorry, but that response is rather elitist, and it reminds me of someone else in your position on these forums not too long ago. You're not obligated to fix games, and no one should demand as much, but that doesn't mean it's OK to tell someone to "fuck off" because they're on Windows 8.1


Of course it's not because you're on Win 8.1, it was this comment right here:

"If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?"

You were suggesting that you had been misled, when our own release notes say we had not developed it or tested it on Win 8.1. That's where I draw my line. And there is nothing elitist about it - we are not supporting Win 8.1 directly because we can't do everything. What do you think we do all day, sit here fixing games for ungrateful people like you? We have families and full time jobs. Saying "will not even look at it" suggests a degree of entitlement from you that irritates me severely. 3DMigoto is open source - look at Win 8.1 issues yourself, make DAI work yourself, solve the stability problems yourself.

I regret using the F-word actually, it was a bit over the top, but just take a quick look at how that last sentence of yours comes across.




Sorry Mike, but these were your exact words: "If people want to use Win 8.1 that's great, but you will get more issues in 3D, and no one is going to do anything to sort that out. When people post on here, or the blog, that they are having trouble running under Win 8.1 my eyes glaze over and I move on to the next comment"

So how exactly is that supposed to be taken? I didn't even know there was a slew of 3D issues with Windows 8.1 until this game, because I never experienced them myself for the last year. I see people have issues with Sweetfx, but really, that doesn't stop 3D fixes itself from working, those issues need to be settled with SweetFX creators. So far the only fix that works with Windows 7 and not Windows 8.1 is Dragon Age Inquisition, and I would like to help getting to the bottom of it and assist if necessary.

Instead, I get an elitist response from you and you even said "3DMigoto did get around some Win 8.1 issues that is why many games work with it. What you don't know is what we've had to do in the background."

So again, can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? It'll help shed some light on what you find frustrating with this OS, and maybe I can even help?

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Posted 12/28/2014 07:41 PM   
I am not so sure it was over the top. I don't post in here a whole lot, however, the problems with Win8.1 are well documented here and everywhere else for that matter and it's not just with 3D, it is a problem with Nvidia Geforce Drivers and Win8.1 all around. I was running 8.1 right when it was released and I had nothing but problems and a lot of the problems where with games in 3d without fixes. I ended up in a PM back and forth with Andrew from NVidia actually and eventually through a lot of reading in these forums decided to give win7 x64 another go and that resolved all the micro stutter problems that I had. Anyway, the point is, these guys go through a lot of trouble to try and make these fixes and starting with helix they are all geniuses in my opinion. In order to want to use these fixes you have to be willing to get your hands dirty and try some fixing of your own, trial and error, if that means you have to wipe your pc and load a new OS then so be it. We can't relay on them for everything, the fact is they do plenty and I for one am grateful. Since helifax wants to keep this about dragonage, I would like to finish by saying the only reason I bought this game today was because there is a chance to play it in 3D and I will report back my findings after I try it out.
I am not so sure it was over the top. I don't post in here a whole lot, however, the problems with Win8.1 are well documented here and everywhere else for that matter and it's not just with 3D, it is a problem with Nvidia Geforce Drivers and Win8.1 all around.

I was running 8.1 right when it was released and I had nothing but problems and a lot of the problems where with games in 3d without fixes. I ended up in a PM back and forth with Andrew from NVidia actually and eventually through a lot of reading in these forums decided to give win7 x64 another go and that resolved all the micro stutter problems that I had.

Anyway, the point is, these guys go through a lot of trouble to try and make these fixes and starting with helix they are all geniuses in my opinion. In order to want to use these fixes you have to be willing to get your hands dirty and try some fixing of your own, trial and error, if that means you have to wipe your pc and load a new OS then so be it. We can't relay on them for everything, the fact is they do plenty and I for one am grateful.

Since helifax wants to keep this about dragonage, I would like to finish by saying the only reason I bought this game today was because there is a chance to play it in 3D and I will report back my findings after I try it out.

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Posted 12/28/2014 07:43 PM   
Everyone working on fixes here is doing it on their own free time. They absolutely owe no one any obligation to make it work for everyone's PC configuration. Honestly, anyone not happy here should go bug Nvidia about how they basically abandoned their product. In fact, things like their compatibility mode have caused more harm than good IMHO.
Everyone working on fixes here is doing it on their own free time. They absolutely owe no one any obligation to make it work for everyone's PC configuration. Honestly, anyone not happy here should go bug Nvidia about how they basically abandoned their product. In fact, things like their compatibility mode have caused more harm than good IMHO.

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Posted 12/28/2014 08:07 PM   
[quote="Exposed123"] I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8? If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? So again, can you tell me what some of these workarounds were? [/quote] To be honest, Mike is far too kind to folks like you, Exposed123. If I had invested as much time as him, Bo3b, Helifax and all the others in fixing stuff for ungrateful c***s like you, I'd probably think twice about continuing to do so. Quit acting all entitled and annoying the crap out of people who sacrifice some of their free time for others. One doesn't even have to read between the lines to find your tone provocative and full of demands. Who are you to make demands or pressure people into explaining themselves, why they won't invest even more of their time for you? As was said before, go develop your own Win8-fixes, if you fancy that OS enough to care. Yes, that escalated quickly, but I obviously can't stand it when people act like you do.
Exposed123 said:

I asked before but no one answered, what other game besides Inquisition does a fix work with Windows 7 but not Windows 8?

If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ?

Can you tell me what some of these workarounds were?

So again, can you tell me what some of these workarounds were?



To be honest, Mike is far too kind to folks like you, Exposed123.

If I had invested as much time as him, Bo3b, Helifax and all the others in fixing stuff for ungrateful c***s like you, I'd probably think twice about continuing to do so.

Quit acting all entitled and annoying the crap out of people who sacrifice some of their free time for others.

One doesn't even have to read between the lines to find your tone provocative and full of demands.
Who are you to make demands or pressure people into explaining themselves, why they won't invest even
more of their time for you?

As was said before, go develop your own Win8-fixes, if you fancy that OS enough to care.
Yes, that escalated quickly, but I obviously can't stand it when people act like you do.

Posted 12/28/2014 08:35 PM   
Exposed123, I've personally experienced these issues with 8.1, and can verify that they exist. They include poor framerates (10fps even in older games) and crashes. I've tried this on a totally fresh 8.1 install with many different drivers. It's great that you personally haven't run into these issues, but they exist. 3DMigoto is open source. If you want to look at it yourself and try to work out the 8.1 issues, feel free. But don't ask anyone else to do it for you, we've all accepted that it's not worth the time and effort. Now let's get this thread back on topic, rather than having it collapse into unnecessary name calling and arguments.
Exposed123, I've personally experienced these issues with 8.1, and can verify that they exist. They include poor framerates (10fps even in older games) and crashes. I've tried this on a totally fresh 8.1 install with many different drivers. It's great that you personally haven't run into these issues, but they exist. 3DMigoto is open source. If you want to look at it yourself and try to work out the 8.1 issues, feel free. But don't ask anyone else to do it for you, we've all accepted that it's not worth the time and effort.

Now let's get this thread back on topic, rather than having it collapse into unnecessary name calling and arguments.

Posted 12/28/2014 09:11 PM   
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]Exposed123, I've personally experienced these issues with 8.1, and can verify that they exist. They include poor framerates (10fps even in older games) and crashes. I've tried this on a totally fresh 8.1 install with many different drivers. It's great that you personally haven't run into these issues, but they exist. 3DMigoto is open source. If you want to look at it yourself and try to work out the 8.1 issues, feel free. But don't ask anyone else to do it for you, we've all accepted that it's not worth the time and effort. Now let's get this thread back on topic, rather than having it collapse into unnecessary name calling and arguments.[/quote] I'm taking a look at 3Dmigoto now, though just to take a look at what's preventing the game from starting in the first place under win 8.1. It's something with the D3D11.dll provided with the fix....any other version loads the game fine, though without the fixes in place. Might just be something as simple as needing to recompile under Win 8.1, but what do I know. My background is SQL database programming, not shaders. What games were you having issues with? I'm curious if I can reproduce them.
Pirateguybrush said:Exposed123, I've personally experienced these issues with 8.1, and can verify that they exist. They include poor framerates (10fps even in older games) and crashes. I've tried this on a totally fresh 8.1 install with many different drivers. It's great that you personally haven't run into these issues, but they exist. 3DMigoto is open source. If you want to look at it yourself and try to work out the 8.1 issues, feel free. But don't ask anyone else to do it for you, we've all accepted that it's not worth the time and effort.

Now let's get this thread back on topic, rather than having it collapse into unnecessary name calling and arguments.


I'm taking a look at 3Dmigoto now, though just to take a look at what's preventing the game from starting in the first place under win 8.1. It's something with the D3D11.dll provided with the fix....any other version loads the game fine, though without the fixes in place. Might just be something as simple as needing to recompile under Win 8.1, but what do I know. My background is SQL database programming, not shaders.

What games were you having issues with? I'm curious if I can reproduce them.

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Posted 12/28/2014 10:20 PM   
[quote="Exposed123"] If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then [u]maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere,[/u] rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? In my case, I am "SOL" because my SSD doesn't have enough room for a Win7 partition. [/quote] ask Nvidia guys for such things. all those who's doing 3D vision fix are of PC gamer community, not Nvidia employees. there's no site moderators among us. no one has any obligation to fix game here, especially not owing anything to someone such as you. BARK at Nvidia, Bioware, EA, or Microsoft if you feel the urge.
Exposed123 said:
If you guys feel Windows 8.1 is so atrocious and will not even look into it, then maybe it should have been a sticky somewhere, rather than coming out now and saying you're "SOL" ? In my case, I am "SOL" because my SSD doesn't have enough room for a Win7 partition.



ask Nvidia guys for such things. all those who's doing 3D vision fix are of PC gamer community, not Nvidia employees. there's no site moderators among us.

no one has any obligation to fix game here, especially not owing anything to someone such as you.
BARK at Nvidia, Bioware, EA, or Microsoft if you feel the urge.

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Posted 12/28/2014 10:47 PM   
OK, I'd like to apologize for running this off the rails, I started that question about Win8.1 performance. Just to be clear, I'm not wedded to any OS or setup, I just want the best experience. But when people make statements about performance without data to back it up, I want to understand if it's true or not. I'm always going to call out the vague generalities when I see them, because I need to know if I'm wrong. [quote="Exposed123"]I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there. But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution. The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed[/quote] OK, it seems like you just want to believe. The data marked in green and orange is for the closest case, the 1440p. 5 Ties, 3 wins, 2 losses. With the losses being -10 and -5. We cannot possibly say it's a statistical increase with a sample size of 10. I don't think the 2100p case is interesting at at all for 3D, because in general we are CPU bound, not GPU bound. The double-draw and the double work the driver does takes a lot of CPU. But it's alright. I made my case that Win 8.1 is not faster (it's not slower either), and people can draw their own conclusions. [quote="Exposed123"]I'm taking a look at 3Dmigoto now, though just to take a look at what's preventing the game from starting in the first place under win 8.1. It's something with the D3D11.dll provided with the fix....any other version loads the game fine, though without the fixes in place. Might just be something as simple as needing to recompile under Win 8.1, but what do I know. My background is SQL database programming, not shaders. What games were you having issues with? I'm curious if I can reproduce them. [/quote] This would be awesome, please do take a look. If I can answer questions, don't hesitate to ask. I've looked at the 8.1 crash here a little bit, and as far as I can tell it's not in 3Dmigoto code. But, you may see something I cannot. In general, I want 3Dmigoto to be able to run on 8.1, but if it has problems that seem unrelated, I can't justify the time. It's fairly simple actually, any time I spend looking into 8.1 problems is time that I cannot spend on fixing games, or improving the wrapper by adding direly needed features. This is not academic. I spent 6 weeks earlier this year making 3Dmigoto work on 8.1 because of some retarded change that Microsoft made to DXGI (now returns an error for legitimate calls). I had to rewrite the entire frame synchronization section of 3Dmigoto to get around this. In retrospect, that was not time well spent. On the other hand, this is why you've not had any trouble with 8.1- because I've already sunk 100s of hours into it. Now with regard to DA, if you can narrow anything down, that would be superb. I'm all ears.
OK, I'd like to apologize for running this off the rails, I started that question about Win8.1 performance. Just to be clear, I'm not wedded to any OS or setup, I just want the best experience. But when people make statements about performance without data to back it up, I want to understand if it's true or not.

I'm always going to call out the vague generalities when I see them, because I need to know if I'm wrong.


Exposed123 said:I agree we have a disagreement about what the data says =) . Even based on 1440p alone, there is a statistical increase in performance in Windows 8.1, enough to say "Windows 8.1 is indeed faster than Windows 7 for gaming. Granted, it's not by much, but it's there.

But it's important to include the 4k results as well, because there is quite a bit more demand on the GPU. At 4k, Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 by a bigger margin. To me, this gives an indication that Windows 8.1 will perform better than Windows 7 in those GPU intensive situations, regardless of resolution.

The 1080p results are pretty much a tie because, well....the GPU is less stressed and the CPU more stressed

OK, it seems like you just want to believe. The data marked in green and orange is for the closest case, the 1440p. 5 Ties, 3 wins, 2 losses. With the losses being -10 and -5. We cannot possibly say it's a statistical increase with a sample size of 10.

I don't think the 2100p case is interesting at at all for 3D, because in general we are CPU bound, not GPU bound. The double-draw and the double work the driver does takes a lot of CPU.

But it's alright. I made my case that Win 8.1 is not faster (it's not slower either), and people can draw their own conclusions.


Exposed123 said:I'm taking a look at 3Dmigoto now, though just to take a look at what's preventing the game from starting in the first place under win 8.1. It's something with the D3D11.dll provided with the fix....any other version loads the game fine, though without the fixes in place. Might just be something as simple as needing to recompile under Win 8.1, but what do I know. My background is SQL database programming, not shaders.

What games were you having issues with? I'm curious if I can reproduce them.

This would be awesome, please do take a look. If I can answer questions, don't hesitate to ask.

I've looked at the 8.1 crash here a little bit, and as far as I can tell it's not in 3Dmigoto code. But, you may see something I cannot.

In general, I want 3Dmigoto to be able to run on 8.1, but if it has problems that seem unrelated, I can't justify the time. It's fairly simple actually, any time I spend looking into 8.1 problems is time that I cannot spend on fixing games, or improving the wrapper by adding direly needed features.

This is not academic. I spent 6 weeks earlier this year making 3Dmigoto work on 8.1 because of some retarded change that Microsoft made to DXGI (now returns an error for legitimate calls). I had to rewrite the entire frame synchronization section of 3Dmigoto to get around this. In retrospect, that was not time well spent. On the other hand, this is why you've not had any trouble with 8.1- because I've already sunk 100s of hours into it.


Now with regard to DA, if you can narrow anything down, that would be superb. I'm all ears.

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Posted 12/28/2014 11:44 PM   
Hi Bob, I have 3DMigoto running but have some questions. For testing purposes I put a copy of Dragon Age Inquisition on one of my office PC's. Is there an easy way to reach you outside of these forums, like chat or email?
Hi Bob,

I have 3DMigoto running but have some questions. For testing purposes I put a copy of Dragon Age Inquisition on one of my office PC's. Is there an easy way to reach you outside of these forums, like chat or email?

Windows 10, Geforce GTX 1080 x2 (SLI), Haswell Core i7, 8GB DDR3 2133Mhz memory, 65" LG 4k 3DTV

Posted 12/28/2014 11:55 PM   
[quote="Exposed123"]Hi Bo3b, I have 3DMigoto running but have some questions. For testing purposes I put a copy of Dragon Age Inquisition on one of my office PC's. Is there an easy way to reach you outside of these forums, like chat or email? [/quote] PM Sent. Discussion of OSes moved to new thread: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/799406/3d-vision/game-fixes-win7-vs-win8-1-vs-win10/
Exposed123 said:Hi Bo3b,

I have 3DMigoto running but have some questions. For testing purposes I put a copy of Dragon Age Inquisition on one of my office PC's. Is there an easy way to reach you outside of these forums, like chat or email?

PM Sent.

Discussion of OSes moved to new thread:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/799406/3d-vision/game-fixes-win7-vs-win8-1-vs-win10/

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Posted 12/29/2014 12:32 AM   
ahem ..... So back on track. Just an update on the whole disabling 3dvision auto startup with the registry change. Although after thorough testing its still not a 100% fix, and the wrapper still doesn't apply correctly on occasion when loading up, its still a vast improvement which has made me be able to play the game completely in 3d vision with too much hassle. (the game seems more lenient to alt+tab out to fix without crashing, also.) I think it occasionally breaking again might have some thing to do with the innate zone crashes the game currently has in 3d mode anyway. That said, I definitely have not experienced the problem with the fix breaking in game play since the change, when before it was quite a frequent event in certain locations of the game. In fact before I made this change I could replicate the problem every time, in specific areas. Now, its not an issue at all. *EDIT* The plot thickens! I also strongly suspect now, that this whole issue is something to do with this Draconian DRM they are using. Too many similarities to the LOTF problems. (which really pisses me off as I paid good money for this game to be treated like a criminal.) Why? Because, I have found that it seems so far, if when I want to close the game or zone. I am best to Save, then ALT + TAB out, bring up task manager and kill the Dragonage process manually. So far 8 times and counting, if I do this, the game will render perfectly on load every single time. Problem mitigated. However, if I close down the game "cleanly" using the menu system and quit to main screen and then desktop, it sometimes broken again on load. (though generally a lot less than before) It takes a phenomenally long time to zone or close the game. Just what are you doing EA? And, prey tell? Those that dwell in the "way it should be played" heavens. Why does it crash in 3D mode every damn time I zone or that load screen appears? Could it be the DRM is disabling the wrapper/3dvision and causing general havoc in most cases crashing or corrupting the load? I heard murmers that this thing constantly writes to the disk or something, just what is it doing exactly? Stopping processes outside its code base? If this is ends up indeed being the DRM that's the cause, I think it about warrants a very aggressive petition to the parties involved. The 3D Fix is not a hack to the game in anyway it just plain makes it work! Hell as amazing as this game is in 3d with this fix, it probably warrants one anyway. Would be nice to see an address regarding this issue Nvidia. You know! Too cull potentially damaging speculation and such ;) *EDIT*
ahem ..... So back on track.

Just an update on the whole disabling 3dvision auto startup with the registry change. Although after thorough testing its still not a 100% fix, and the wrapper still doesn't apply correctly on occasion when loading up, its still a vast improvement which has made me be able to play the game completely in 3d vision with too much hassle. (the game seems more lenient to alt+tab out to fix without crashing, also.)

I think it occasionally breaking again might have some thing to do with the innate zone crashes the game currently has in 3d mode anyway.

That said, I definitely have not experienced the problem with the fix breaking in game play since the change, when before it was quite a frequent event in certain locations of the game. In fact before I made this change I could replicate the problem every time, in specific areas. Now, its not an issue at all.

*EDIT* The plot thickens!

I also strongly suspect now, that this whole issue is something to do with this Draconian DRM they are using.
Too many similarities to the LOTF problems. (which really pisses me off as I paid good money for this game to be treated like a criminal.)

Why? Because, I have found that it seems so far, if when I want to close the game or zone. I am best to Save, then ALT + TAB out, bring up task manager and kill the Dragonage process manually.

So far 8 times and counting, if I do this, the game will render perfectly on load every single time.
Problem mitigated.

However, if I close down the game "cleanly" using the menu system and quit to main screen and then desktop, it sometimes broken again on load. (though generally a lot less than before)

It takes a phenomenally long time to zone or close the game. Just what are you doing EA?
And, prey tell? Those that dwell in the "way it should be played" heavens. Why does it crash in 3D mode every damn time I zone or that load screen appears?

Could it be the DRM is disabling the wrapper/3dvision and causing general havoc in most cases crashing or corrupting the load? I heard murmers that this thing constantly writes to the disk or something, just what is it doing exactly? Stopping processes outside its code base?

If this is ends up indeed being the DRM that's the cause, I think it about warrants a very aggressive petition to the parties involved. The 3D Fix is not a hack to the game in anyway it just plain makes it work!

Hell as amazing as this game is in 3d with this fix, it probably warrants one anyway.

Would be nice to see an address regarding this issue Nvidia. You know! Too cull potentially damaging speculation and such ;) *EDIT*

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Posted 12/29/2014 05:46 AM   
this game always chrashes when loading map ans its very boring But this game is AMAZING in 3D. nvidia and Bioware are crazy to suggest this game only in 2d. Thanks again helix mod team. nvidia should hire you lol
this game always chrashes when loading map ans its very boring But this game is AMAZING in 3D. nvidia and Bioware are crazy to suggest this game only in 2d. Thanks again helix mod team. nvidia should hire you lol

Posted 12/29/2014 07:09 AM   
there were constant dx crashes with bf4 profile in sli Reinstall OS (win7 64 bit), use 347.09 driver, setup fix properly (using bf4 profile) Only after reinstalling OS i have not a single crash or any other issue. (nearly 10 hours for now) P.S. If anyone has bf4 (and having crashes in sli) - dont install or run it - after dx crash in bf4 - it becomes constant, so i didnt run bf4 and only using its profile. P.S.S This fix is perfect, thank you, guys, really. Happy New Year !
there were constant dx crashes with bf4 profile in sli
Reinstall OS (win7 64 bit), use 347.09 driver, setup fix properly (using bf4 profile)
Only after reinstalling OS i have not a single crash or any other issue. (nearly 10 hours for now)

P.S. If anyone has bf4 (and having crashes in sli) - dont install or run it - after dx crash in bf4 - it becomes constant, so i didnt run bf4 and only using its profile.

P.S.S This fix is perfect, thank you, guys, really. Happy New Year !

Posted 12/29/2014 10:28 AM   
Not at all!? So far I am playing that configuration and have done all this bar re-installing my OS. I dislike carpet bomb attacks of this nature and would prefer to get to the bottom of the problem, but that's really interesting.... P.S I have never installed or played BF4 on this build at all.
Not at all!?

So far I am playing that configuration and have done all this bar re-installing my OS. I dislike carpet bomb attacks of this nature and would prefer to get to the bottom of the problem, but that's really interesting....

P.S I have never installed or played BF4 on this build at all.

i7-4790K CPU 4.8Ghz stable overclock.
16 GB RAM Corsair
ASUS Turbo 2080TI
Samsung SSD 840Pro
ASUS Z97-WS3D
Surround ASUS Rog Swift PG278Q(R), 2x PG278Q (yes it works)
Obutto R3volution.
Windows 10 pro 64x (Windows 7 Dual boot)

Posted 12/29/2014 10:32 AM   
Yes, not at all. Well, it must be due to specific of every configuration. Actually after every 3-4 min crash, i was quite upset, and only reinstalling os helped. (dont install msi afterburner or any other program like this one) my problem was DX error
Yes, not at all. Well, it must be due to specific of every configuration. Actually after every 3-4 min crash, i was quite upset, and only reinstalling os helped. (dont install msi afterburner or any other program like this one)
my problem was DX error

Posted 12/29/2014 10:46 AM   
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