Sharp XV-Z17000 1080p 3D DLP projector
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[quote name='CharlesYen' date='04 April 2011 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1301874235' post='1218773']
I have a SHARP XV-Z17000 and it's by far the BEST 1080p 3D projector on the Market. Zero Ghosting and Very Bright 3D Image.
[/quote]
Nice - what type of screen did you go for?

I think we'll be waiting for HDMI 1.5 or that new [url="http://www.pcworld.com/article/200301/new_technology_could_replace_hdmi_with_ethernet_cables.html"]ethernet tech (HDBaseT)[/url] to take off before we see common place 1080p 120Hz.
[quote name='CharlesYen' date='04 April 2011 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1301874235' post='1218773']

I have a SHARP XV-Z17000 and it's by far the BEST 1080p 3D projector on the Market. Zero Ghosting and Very Bright 3D Image.



Nice - what type of screen did you go for?



I think we'll be waiting for HDMI 1.5 or that new ethernet tech (HDBaseT) to take off before we see common place 1080p 120Hz.

#16
Posted 04/04/2011 11:50 AM   
[quote]SHARP XV-Z17000 and it's by far the BEST 1080p 3D projector on the Market. Zero Ghosting and Very Bright 3D Image.[/quote]

Why would it be ? When other projectors do actual 120hz 1080p thru VGA and dual DVI ? And how can it be very bright with 939 lumens?
I think you wouldn't like that cd/m2 , ft lambert calculation result...
SHARP XV-Z17000 and it's by far the BEST 1080p 3D projector on the Market. Zero Ghosting and Very Bright 3D Image.




Why would it be ? When other projectors do actual 120hz 1080p thru VGA and dual DVI ? And how can it be very bright with 939 lumens?

I think you wouldn't like that cd/m2 , ft lambert calculation result...

#17
Posted 04/04/2011 12:09 PM   
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='03 April 2011 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1301817224' post='1218424']
guess you'r talkin about the consumer stuff, cause 'projection design' has 120hz fullHD, and fullHD+ for a long time
http://www.projectiondesign.com/?CatID=1851


BTW , if you can, throw the PC out of the room and use longer cables, put the DLP into a drawer , and use retroreflective screen. This way noise pollution is total minimized, and you can use the drawer as a special hush box, fixing contrast while you re at it, and/or install different throw/better quality optics.

This is my (... *) DLP project
* missing for PR reasons, sounds too good, lol /haha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':haha:' />
[/quote]


ya but you have to run quattro cards right? gaming one of these would be risky. There is little to no information on how they perform in games- and no info (that i could find) if they support SLI like the geforce line.

do you know of any other way to get this projector working with geforce?

possibly, 3d surround with 3 720p projectors in portrait would be a good option for full HD 3d.
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='03 April 2011 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1301817224' post='1218424']

guess you'r talkin about the consumer stuff, cause 'projection design' has 120hz fullHD, and fullHD+ for a long time

http://www.projectiondesign.com/?CatID=1851





BTW , if you can, throw the PC out of the room and use longer cables, put the DLP into a drawer , and use retroreflective screen. This way noise pollution is total minimized, and you can use the drawer as a special hush box, fixing contrast while you re at it, and/or install different throw/better quality optics.



This is my (... *) DLP project

* missing for PR reasons, sounds too good, lol /haha.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':haha:' />







ya but you have to run quattro cards right? gaming one of these would be risky. There is little to no information on how they perform in games- and no info (that i could find) if they support SLI like the geforce line.



do you know of any other way to get this projector working with geforce?



possibly, 3d surround with 3 720p projectors in portrait would be a good option for full HD 3d.

System:

Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz

Asus Rampage Extreme II

2 Ge-force 480 in SLI

GTX 295 PhysX Card

12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram

Intel SSD in RAID 0

BR RW

1000w Sony surround sound

NVIDIA 3D Vision



3d displays tested:



Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)

Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)

Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)

23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)

Samsung 65D8000

#18
Posted 04/04/2011 09:35 PM   
[quote name='CharlesYen' date='03 April 2011 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1301874235' post='1218773']
I have a SHARP XV-Z17000 and it's by far the BEST 1080p 3D projector on the Market. Zero Ghosting and Very Bright 3D Image.


You will NEVER see a 1080p 120hz Projector released.

The first problem is HDMI can not do it. Limited Bandwidth. Max Bandwidth is 60Hz at 1080p and 120Hz at 720p.

The second and most annoying problem.
If you go to the HDMI Specifications page you will see the HDMI Licensing Terms are "Forcing" Manufacturers to "STOP" making devices with "DVI" connectors on them. And also forcing them to stop making devices with "VGA" connectors on them.

Their is even Dates by witch they must STOP using VGA and DVI Connectors. If they want to keep their HDMI License that is.

This whole HDMI thing is a total CON Job. Inferior design, So lets STOP the working DVI Dual link from being used.


This means any Manufacturer that wants to have HDMI connectors on their device MUST agree to the HDMI terms. Which means NO DVI Dual Link option.


Since the Limited Bandwidth is bulit into the HDMI cable design it can't be fixed. The only option would be to use 2 x HDMI cables. But I dont see that happening.


Charles
[/quote]

yes of course- most know this. i was just being optimistic. im glad you like your 1080p 3d projector. im sure its great for movies. personally- ill stick to the 720p 3d because im not really into the few 3d movies that play at 1080p3d and we are all going to be gaming in 720p (unless you can stand the 1080p 24 frame rate for gaming). ill wait for the consumer display industry to catch up to consumer computers (ive already been waiting since the DLP tv's and 3d vision came out).
[quote name='CharlesYen' date='03 April 2011 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1301874235' post='1218773']

I have a SHARP XV-Z17000 and it's by far the BEST 1080p 3D projector on the Market. Zero Ghosting and Very Bright 3D Image.





You will NEVER see a 1080p 120hz Projector released.



The first problem is HDMI can not do it. Limited Bandwidth. Max Bandwidth is 60Hz at 1080p and 120Hz at 720p.



The second and most annoying problem.

If you go to the HDMI Specifications page you will see the HDMI Licensing Terms are "Forcing" Manufacturers to "STOP" making devices with "DVI" connectors on them. And also forcing them to stop making devices with "VGA" connectors on them.



Their is even Dates by witch they must STOP using VGA and DVI Connectors. If they want to keep their HDMI License that is.



This whole HDMI thing is a total CON Job. Inferior design, So lets STOP the working DVI Dual link from being used.





This means any Manufacturer that wants to have HDMI connectors on their device MUST agree to the HDMI terms. Which means NO DVI Dual Link option.





Since the Limited Bandwidth is bulit into the HDMI cable design it can't be fixed. The only option would be to use 2 x HDMI cables. But I dont see that happening.





Charles





yes of course- most know this. i was just being optimistic. im glad you like your 1080p 3d projector. im sure its great for movies. personally- ill stick to the 720p 3d because im not really into the few 3d movies that play at 1080p3d and we are all going to be gaming in 720p (unless you can stand the 1080p 24 frame rate for gaming). ill wait for the consumer display industry to catch up to consumer computers (ive already been waiting since the DLP tv's and 3d vision came out).

System:

Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz

Asus Rampage Extreme II

2 Ge-force 480 in SLI

GTX 295 PhysX Card

12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram

Intel SSD in RAID 0

BR RW

1000w Sony surround sound

NVIDIA 3D Vision



3d displays tested:



Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)

Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)

Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)

23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)

Samsung 65D8000

#19
Posted 04/04/2011 09:47 PM   
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='04 April 2011 - 05:09 AM' timestamp='1301918975' post='1219014']
Why would it be ? When other projectors do actual 120hz 1080p thru VGA and dual DVI ? And how can it be very bright with 939 lumens?
I think you wouldn't like that cd/m2 , ft lambert calculation result...
[/quote]


i wonder why none of these superior 120hrz 1080p 3d projectors are compatible with 3d vision?
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='04 April 2011 - 05:09 AM' timestamp='1301918975' post='1219014']

Why would it be ? When other projectors do actual 120hz 1080p thru VGA and dual DVI ? And how can it be very bright with 939 lumens?

I think you wouldn't like that cd/m2 , ft lambert calculation result...







i wonder why none of these superior 120hrz 1080p 3d projectors are compatible with 3d vision?

System:

Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz

Asus Rampage Extreme II

2 Ge-force 480 in SLI

GTX 295 PhysX Card

12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram

Intel SSD in RAID 0

BR RW

1000w Sony surround sound

NVIDIA 3D Vision



3d displays tested:



Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)

Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)

Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)

23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)

Samsung 65D8000

#20
Posted 04/04/2011 09:51 PM   
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='04 April 2011 - 10:09 PM' timestamp='1301918975' post='1219014']
Why would it be ? When other projectors do actual 120hz 1080p thru VGA and dual DVI ? And how can it be very bright with 939 lumens?
I think you wouldn't like that cd/m2 , ft lambert calculation result...
[/quote]

If you compare the SHARP XV-Z17000 in 3D mode to JVC's X3,X5,X7 in 3D mode you will understand what Bright 3D means.


I am very interested in what Projectors on the market can actualy do 1920x1080 at 120 hz ?

And I am asking about SINGLE projectors. Not the Cinema projectors which are actualy TWO projectors. Each receiving a 60Hz signal. Let's try and stick to consumer equipment here. How many people here could afford 100k for a Projector.


I have not heard of any.


Charles
[quote name='tritosine2k' date='04 April 2011 - 10:09 PM' timestamp='1301918975' post='1219014']

Why would it be ? When other projectors do actual 120hz 1080p thru VGA and dual DVI ? And how can it be very bright with 939 lumens?

I think you wouldn't like that cd/m2 , ft lambert calculation result...





If you compare the SHARP XV-Z17000 in 3D mode to JVC's X3,X5,X7 in 3D mode you will understand what Bright 3D means.





I am very interested in what Projectors on the market can actualy do 1920x1080 at 120 hz ?



And I am asking about SINGLE projectors. Not the Cinema projectors which are actualy TWO projectors. Each receiving a 60Hz signal. Let's try and stick to consumer equipment here. How many people here could afford 100k for a Projector.





I have not heard of any.





Charles

#21
Posted 04/05/2011 10:56 AM   
[quote name='Ingmar' date='04 April 2011 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1301917800' post='1219004']
Nice - what type of screen did you go for?

I think we'll be waiting for HDMI 1.5 or that new [url="http://www.pcworld.com/article/200301/new_technology_could_replace_hdmi_with_ethernet_cables.html"]ethernet tech (HDBaseT)[/url] to take off before we see common place 1080p 120Hz.
[/quote]


I have a standard 85 Inch fixed screen with a Gain of 1.1

It seems 3D is better with low gain white screens.

HDMI 1.5 won't happen with the current cabling they are using. It will need twice the number of Pins to make it Dual Channel. And since the market is being driven by Consumer TV's I don't see it happening. Their would be no way to make 1.5 backward compatible with 1.4 with different connectors. I think the PC gaming world is being driven into the ground.

As for Ethernet, I didn't think Ethernet was any were near the bandwidth of HDMI 1.4a ?



Charles
[quote name='Ingmar' date='04 April 2011 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1301917800' post='1219004']

Nice - what type of screen did you go for?



I think we'll be waiting for HDMI 1.5 or that new ethernet tech (HDBaseT) to take off before we see common place 1080p 120Hz.







I have a standard 85 Inch fixed screen with a Gain of 1.1



It seems 3D is better with low gain white screens.



HDMI 1.5 won't happen with the current cabling they are using. It will need twice the number of Pins to make it Dual Channel. And since the market is being driven by Consumer TV's I don't see it happening. Their would be no way to make 1.5 backward compatible with 1.4 with different connectors. I think the PC gaming world is being driven into the ground.



As for Ethernet, I didn't think Ethernet was any were near the bandwidth of HDMI 1.4a ?







Charles

#22
Posted 04/05/2011 11:01 AM   
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='05 April 2011 - 07:47 AM' timestamp='1301953646' post='1219279']
yes of course- most know this. i was just being optimistic. im glad you like your 1080p 3d projector. im sure its great for movies. personally- ill stick to the 720p 3d because im not really into the few 3d movies that play at 1080p3d and we are all going to be gaming in 720p (unless you can stand the 1080p 24 frame rate for gaming). ill wait for the consumer display industry to catch up to consumer computers (ive already been waiting since the DLP tv's and 3d vision came out).
[/quote]


I also have a NEC215, And an Optoma HD66 that I was using for 3D gaming.

But why limit myself to 1280x720 for movies when the Sharp gives me the best of both worlds.

I can play Games at 1280x720 120hz 3D
Watch Bluray movies and Full HD TV
Watch 3D Bluray movies as well.

The Number of 3D Bluray movies on the market is growing fast lately. From memory I have about 19 3D Bluray movies.


Not to mention the contrast ratio on this thing craps all over the older generation 1280x800 DLP Chips.


Charles
[quote name='DanielJoy' date='05 April 2011 - 07:47 AM' timestamp='1301953646' post='1219279']

yes of course- most know this. i was just being optimistic. im glad you like your 1080p 3d projector. im sure its great for movies. personally- ill stick to the 720p 3d because im not really into the few 3d movies that play at 1080p3d and we are all going to be gaming in 720p (unless you can stand the 1080p 24 frame rate for gaming). ill wait for the consumer display industry to catch up to consumer computers (ive already been waiting since the DLP tv's and 3d vision came out).







I also have a NEC215, And an Optoma HD66 that I was using for 3D gaming.



But why limit myself to 1280x720 for movies when the Sharp gives me the best of both worlds.



I can play Games at 1280x720 120hz 3D

Watch Bluray movies and Full HD TV

Watch 3D Bluray movies as well.



The Number of 3D Bluray movies on the market is growing fast lately. From memory I have about 19 3D Bluray movies.





Not to mention the contrast ratio on this thing craps all over the older generation 1280x800 DLP Chips.





Charles

#23
Posted 04/05/2011 11:10 AM   
[quote]
It seems 3D is better with low gain white screens.
[/quote]

[quote]
Not to mention the contrast ratio on this thing craps all over the older generation 1280x800 DLP Chips.[/quote]

I won't be involved with this satire. /tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tongue:' />


It seems 3D is better with low gain white screens.







Not to mention the contrast ratio on this thing craps all over the older generation 1280x800 DLP Chips.




I won't be involved with this satire. /tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tongue:' />

#24
Posted 04/05/2011 11:30 AM   
I have no doubt that the screen makes a Huge impact on 2D viewing.

But when it comes to 3D viewing it's a totaly differant ball game. High gain screens work by merging multiple pixels into one and focusing the light back at you. In effect you are loosing picture sharpness with High gain screens. You don't get something for nothing.

As for Grey screens. They were only usefull for increasing contrast Ratio. I have the Sharp XV-Z17000 and the rated contrast ratio of 40,000:1 is Real. Not some stupid number like the LCD and Plasma TV manufacturers are using.

I have a Samsung LED LCD 55 Incher. And it claims to have a 1,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio. It's total crap. The Sharp's 40,000:1 has a much better contrast ratio than my Samsung LED.

When it comes to Brightness the Samsung craps all over it of course.

For 2D Viewing I would take the LED LCD every time. Although I do like the more realistic picture on a Plasma. I also have a Panasonic 50 Inch Full HD Plasma.


When it comes to 3D I will take DLP every time. Their is nothing else that comes even close to it.


Unless you see the Sharp XV-Z17000 for yourself you wont beleive the 3D picture quality on this thing. And the Rainbow effect is almost non existant. I am very sensitive to it. The Optoma HD66 used to drive me nuts with the Rainbow effect. The Sharp has an amazing 6 times wheel speed which virtualy eliminates all Rainbow effect. Even to those very sensitive to it.


Charles
I have no doubt that the screen makes a Huge impact on 2D viewing.



But when it comes to 3D viewing it's a totaly differant ball game. High gain screens work by merging multiple pixels into one and focusing the light back at you. In effect you are loosing picture sharpness with High gain screens. You don't get something for nothing.



As for Grey screens. They were only usefull for increasing contrast Ratio. I have the Sharp XV-Z17000 and the rated contrast ratio of 40,000:1 is Real. Not some stupid number like the LCD and Plasma TV manufacturers are using.



I have a Samsung LED LCD 55 Incher. And it claims to have a 1,000,000:1 Contrast Ratio. It's total crap. The Sharp's 40,000:1 has a much better contrast ratio than my Samsung LED.



When it comes to Brightness the Samsung craps all over it of course.



For 2D Viewing I would take the LED LCD every time. Although I do like the more realistic picture on a Plasma. I also have a Panasonic 50 Inch Full HD Plasma.





When it comes to 3D I will take DLP every time. Their is nothing else that comes even close to it.





Unless you see the Sharp XV-Z17000 for yourself you wont beleive the 3D picture quality on this thing. And the Rainbow effect is almost non existant. I am very sensitive to it. The Optoma HD66 used to drive me nuts with the Rainbow effect. The Sharp has an amazing 6 times wheel speed which virtualy eliminates all Rainbow effect. Even to those very sensitive to it.





Charles

#25
Posted 04/05/2011 01:27 PM   
Silverscreen has a very good trait: if ambient light is coming from the side, its going to reject it . White rejects nothing & If you have the equivalent light source of a candle , plus white screen, then you going to get 800:1 contrast no matter what.

This is the problem with your assertion, most ppl never going to see better than 800:1 contrast due to ambient light conditions. Maybe every 20th guy has a proper HT with light blocking. After this , on-off contrast and ansi contrast won't really count, pure lumen output counts.


Btw This is awfully similar to audio , where room modes dominate, and you have to be VERY cautious.

Still, most ppl just buy some megabuck loudspeaker, and expect that room modes won't count, haha, what an orbital fallacy..!!!

You can't compensate for room modes by being louder! ( *brighter* )

Rear projection screen with dark tinting is superior , & no matter if you block ambient light or not, it just won't pick up the garbage.

(native contrast of the DLP chips is physical size related, I think the new Darkchip measures nearly the same as the Darkchip3)
Silverscreen has a very good trait: if ambient light is coming from the side, its going to reject it . White rejects nothing & If you have the equivalent light source of a candle , plus white screen, then you going to get 800:1 contrast no matter what.



This is the problem with your assertion, most ppl never going to see better than 800:1 contrast due to ambient light conditions. Maybe every 20th guy has a proper HT with light blocking. After this , on-off contrast and ansi contrast won't really count, pure lumen output counts.





Btw This is awfully similar to audio , where room modes dominate, and you have to be VERY cautious.



Still, most ppl just buy some megabuck loudspeaker, and expect that room modes won't count, haha, what an orbital fallacy..!!!



You can't compensate for room modes by being louder! ( *brighter* )



Rear projection screen with dark tinting is superior , & no matter if you block ambient light or not, it just won't pick up the garbage.



(native contrast of the DLP chips is physical size related, I think the new Darkchip measures nearly the same as the Darkchip3)

#26
Posted 04/05/2011 01:53 PM   
I would love a Mitubishi Rear projection DLP TV. But they are not available in Australia.

As for the silver screen. I see what you are saying. I am very new to this and most of what I am quoting is coming from "So Called" Expert reviewers.


I use my Sharp in a pretty Dark room. I have noticed every bit of Ambient light is reflected off the screen. But then it's only noticable on very dark scenes.


Sharp has enhanced the Contrast ratio of the Darkchip 3 by using 2 Iris's in the lense (Both Motorised). You have a choice of High Brigtness or High Contrast modes.

Even though the Rated Lumen output on this Sharp projector is lower than my Optoma HD66. In 3D mode the Sharp is much brighter than the Optoma.


Charles
I would love a Mitubishi Rear projection DLP TV. But they are not available in Australia.



As for the silver screen. I see what you are saying. I am very new to this and most of what I am quoting is coming from "So Called" Expert reviewers.





I use my Sharp in a pretty Dark room. I have noticed every bit of Ambient light is reflected off the screen. But then it's only noticable on very dark scenes.





Sharp has enhanced the Contrast ratio of the Darkchip 3 by using 2 Iris's in the lense (Both Motorised). You have a choice of High Brigtness or High Contrast modes.



Even though the Rated Lumen output on this Sharp projector is lower than my Optoma HD66. In 3D mode the Sharp is much brighter than the Optoma.





Charles

#27
Posted 04/05/2011 02:03 PM   
[quote]. I have noticed every bit of Ambient light is reflected off the screen. But then it's only noticable on very dark scenes.[/quote]

you have 800:1 then , and brightnes could be much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgLxQBTbrcs&feature=player_embedded


check this out, this is a "retroreflective" rear projection material on acrylic sheet. It'd work much better than white, in just about any scenario, and brightness would increase 3-4x times or even more.
. I have noticed every bit of Ambient light is reflected off the screen. But then it's only noticable on very dark scenes.




you have 800:1 then , and brightnes could be much better.



;feature=player_embedded





check this out, this is a "retroreflective" rear projection material on acrylic sheet. It'd work much better than white, in just about any scenario, and brightness would increase 3-4x times or even more.

#28
Posted 04/05/2011 02:12 PM   
Charles,

I looked at the manual for the XV-Z17000 and did not see 720p at 120hz as a supported resolution. Can you confirm that this resolution works?

If it does, is there any loss in brightness at 720p 120hz versos 720p 60hz?

I have an Acer H5360 to hold me over until the 3D dust settles and while it works well for for 3D on a PC, it loses brightness at 120hz compared to 60hz. When combined with the Nvidia shutter glasses, the picture can be quite dim in darker scenes. The brightness at 60hz would be much preferred.

Thanks,

-- John


[quote name='CharlesYen' date='05 April 2011 - 05:10 AM' timestamp='1302001855' post='1219589']
I also have a NEC215, And an Optoma HD66 that I was using for 3D gaming.

But why limit myself to 1280x720 for movies when the Sharp gives me the best of both worlds.

I can play Games at 1280x720 120hz 3D
Watch Bluray movies and Full HD TV
Watch 3D Bluray movies as well.

The Number of 3D Bluray movies on the market is growing fast lately. From memory I have about 19 3D Bluray movies.


Not to mention the contrast ratio on this thing craps all over the older generation 1280x800 DLP Chips.


Charles
[/quote]
Charles,



I looked at the manual for the XV-Z17000 and did not see 720p at 120hz as a supported resolution. Can you confirm that this resolution works?



If it does, is there any loss in brightness at 720p 120hz versos 720p 60hz?



I have an Acer H5360 to hold me over until the 3D dust settles and while it works well for for 3D on a PC, it loses brightness at 120hz compared to 60hz. When combined with the Nvidia shutter glasses, the picture can be quite dim in darker scenes. The brightness at 60hz would be much preferred.



Thanks,



-- John





[quote name='CharlesYen' date='05 April 2011 - 05:10 AM' timestamp='1302001855' post='1219589']

I also have a NEC215, And an Optoma HD66 that I was using for 3D gaming.



But why limit myself to 1280x720 for movies when the Sharp gives me the best of both worlds.



I can play Games at 1280x720 120hz 3D

Watch Bluray movies and Full HD TV

Watch 3D Bluray movies as well.



The Number of 3D Bluray movies on the market is growing fast lately. From memory I have about 19 3D Bluray movies.





Not to mention the contrast ratio on this thing craps all over the older generation 1280x800 DLP Chips.





Charles

#29
Posted 04/05/2011 08:52 PM   
Sharp: 939 lumen ,3d mode (-20% after 800hours)

5360 : 700 lumen,3d mode
: 1500 lumen,2d eco mode
: 2200 lumen,2d mode


screen and screen size makes bigger difference /tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tongue:' />
Sharp: 939 lumen ,3d mode (-20% after 800hours)



5360 : 700 lumen,3d mode

: 1500 lumen,2d eco mode

: 2200 lumen,2d mode





screen and screen size makes bigger difference /tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':tongue:' />

#30
Posted 04/05/2011 09:15 PM   
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