Does 3dTVPlay offer same quality as 3D Vision? Thinking of upgrading to 3D Television
I have been a 3D Vision gamer for a year now on the ASUS 23" monitor. I'm thinking of buying a 40" - 50" 3D Television in time for the release of Batman: Arkham City.
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
I have been a 3D Vision gamer for a year now on the ASUS 23" monitor. I'm thinking of buying a 40" - 50" 3D Television in time for the release of Batman: Arkham City.
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
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[quote name='SnickerSnack' date='11 October 2011 - 07:55 AM' timestamp='1318287322' post='1306256']
I have been a 3D Vision gamer for a year now on the ASUS 23" monitor. I'm thinking of buying a 40" - 50" 3D Television in time for the release of Batman: Arkham City.
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
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No, your computer monitor supports 1080p @ 120Hz input via dual link DVI, the TV's don't have a dual link DVI connection, only HDMI...which means they are limited by the HDMI interface itself....which will only allow a maximum resolution of 720p @ 120Hz.
I've been exploring this myself lately, and it seems nVidia don't really want us to know this, because they certainly don't make a big deal about it....but for me its a total deal breaker. I need a big display, and I would not be happy with only 720p (1080p too low too IMO).
[quote name='SnickerSnack' date='11 October 2011 - 07:55 AM' timestamp='1318287322' post='1306256']
I have been a 3D Vision gamer for a year now on the ASUS 23" monitor. I'm thinking of buying a 40" - 50" 3D Television in time for the release of Batman: Arkham City.
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
No, your computer monitor supports 1080p @ 120Hz input via dual link DVI, the TV's don't have a dual link DVI connection, only HDMI...which means they are limited by the HDMI interface itself....which will only allow a maximum resolution of 720p @ 120Hz.
I've been exploring this myself lately, and it seems nVidia don't really want us to know this, because they certainly don't make a big deal about it....but for me its a total deal breaker. I need a big display, and I would not be happy with only 720p (1080p too low too IMO).
Where I'm still confused is that there are a bunch of rear projection Mitsubishi DLP sets listed as being fully 3D Vision compatible, but they only have an HDMI connection as well. So what gives? Why isn't it just listed in the 3DTV Play section like the other TVs...whats the difference?
Where I'm still confused is that there are a bunch of rear projection Mitsubishi DLP sets listed as being fully 3D Vision compatible, but they only have an HDMI connection as well. So what gives? Why isn't it just listed in the 3DTV Play section like the other TVs...whats the difference?
It's not the TV that limits the resolution, but the bandwidth of the HDMI interface.
So yes, you can buy a 1080p TV and run 3D Vision on it with 3DTV Play, but you'll only get 720p out of it.
[b]There seems to be an exception...with the newer "passive" 3D TV's like those from LG. I'm reading reports that they support 3D 1080p, but there is also a bit of a downside in picture quality due to their method of producing 3D content. But I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. I wish there was a resource where all this was spelled out, but if there is I haven't found it yet.[/b]
It's not the TV that limits the resolution, but the bandwidth of the HDMI interface.
So yes, you can buy a 1080p TV and run 3D Vision on it with 3DTV Play, but you'll only get 720p out of it.
There seems to be an exception...with the newer "passive" 3D TV's like those from LG. I'm reading reports that they support 3D 1080p, but there is also a bit of a downside in picture quality due to their method of producing 3D content. But I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. I wish there was a resource where all this was spelled out, but if there is I haven't found it yet.
Rear projector DLP tv mentioned uses HDMI 1.3 and as such supports 1080p at 60Hz in checherboard, hence 3D at 1080p (HDMI 1.3 is pre 3DTV Play and uses the VESA connector on the back of the nvidia emitter)
Another reason for 3D tv's advertising 1080p (that are HDMI 1.4a) is for movies/TV which are 1080p at 24Hz, the only other option is 720p at 60Hz which is intended for consoles.
Unless you can buy a TV that supports checkerboard (which allows for 1080p 60Hz) get a projector. In 2010 most Samsung TV's and some others eg LG still had checkerboard, but in 2011 only high end Samsung's have checkerboard.
To summarize, you have two options, get a high end 2011 50" (or larger) Samsung LED that support checherboard (look that up in the manual before buying) and using rollermod with that screen you trick it into acting like a HDMI 1.3 screen which will allow 1080p 60hz checkerboard OR get a project, for example the ACER H360.
Stay away from framepacking its terrible /bloated.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':X' />
Rear projector DLP tv mentioned uses HDMI 1.3 and as such supports 1080p at 60Hz in checherboard, hence 3D at 1080p (HDMI 1.3 is pre 3DTV Play and uses the VESA connector on the back of the nvidia emitter)
Another reason for 3D tv's advertising 1080p (that are HDMI 1.4a) is for movies/TV which are 1080p at 24Hz, the only other option is 720p at 60Hz which is intended for consoles.
Unless you can buy a TV that supports checkerboard (which allows for 1080p 60Hz) get a projector. In 2010 most Samsung TV's and some others eg LG still had checkerboard, but in 2011 only high end Samsung's have checkerboard.
To summarize, you have two options, get a high end 2011 50" (or larger) Samsung LED that support checherboard (look that up in the manual before buying) and using rollermod with that screen you trick it into acting like a HDMI 1.3 screen which will allow 1080p 60hz checkerboard OR get a project, for example the ACER H360.
Stay away from framepacking its terrible /bloated.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':X' />
[quote name='SnickerSnack' date='11 October 2011 - 04:24 AM' timestamp='1318335848' post='1306506']
Okay, thanks for the input. I think I may hold off on the TV purchase idea. Too bad we don't have larger monitors capable of 3D yet.
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I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
[quote name='SnickerSnack' date='11 October 2011 - 04:24 AM' timestamp='1318335848' post='1306506']
Okay, thanks for the input. I think I may hold off on the TV purchase idea. Too bad we don't have larger monitors capable of 3D yet.
I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
[quote name='Aybara' date='11 October 2011 - 02:09 PM' timestamp='1318363765' post='1306714']
I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
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Hmmm.. If it had been available when I purchased mine I would have definitely gone for it, but I don't think that's going to be a big enough bang for my buck. Then again, what did you pay for it? *edit - Nevermind, looked it up on Newegg. Whoa! $700.00! No thanks! I'll get some more mileage outta my $300.00 monitor while I wait for bigger ones to be developed.
[quote name='Aybara' date='11 October 2011 - 02:09 PM' timestamp='1318363765' post='1306714']
I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
Hmmm.. If it had been available when I purchased mine I would have definitely gone for it, but I don't think that's going to be a big enough bang for my buck. Then again, what did you pay for it? *edit - Nevermind, looked it up on Newegg. Whoa! $700.00! No thanks! I'll get some more mileage outta my $300.00 monitor while I wait for bigger ones to be developed.
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I myself play on a Samsung 61A750 LED DLP and I love it,it has such a crisp n clear picture it makes you think you can put your hands threw it and when I show friends n family there just like WOW (jaw dropped). I play all my 3D movies and pc games on it and I just bought the Mits 3DA-1 adapter so now I will be able to play my 360 games in 3D on it (gears and the new Halo). Heres a link to a Mits DLP that I have recommended to 3 of my friends and they like there DLP, 2 out of the 3 use 3D vision and say it looks good,my friend in Texas says he gets that wow factor also. With what is out there I would go the DLP route http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Mitsubishi+-+Home+Cinema+/+60%22+Class+/+1080p+/+60Hz+/+3D+DLP+HDTV/9966999.p?id=1218202944577&skuId=9966999 OR wait and see how this turns out http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666383670&XID=O:sony%20hmz-t1:dg_tv_gglsrch:e&k_id=09fbb303-b6ff-33c8-6be2-00003d6a5537 PEACE
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
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|HDDs: Seagate Barracuda 1TB; Seagate Barracuda 500GB
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|Case: Antec 1200 V3
|Monitors: Asus 3D VG278HE; Asus 3D VG236H; Samsung 3D 51" Plasma;
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|OS: Windows 10 Pro X64
I have been a 3D Vision gamer for a year now on the ASUS 23" monitor. I'm thinking of buying a 40" - 50" 3D Television in time for the release of Batman: Arkham City.
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
[/quote]
No, your computer monitor supports 1080p @ 120Hz input via dual link DVI, the TV's don't have a dual link DVI connection, only HDMI...which means they are limited by the HDMI interface itself....which will only allow a maximum resolution of 720p @ 120Hz.
I've been exploring this myself lately, and it seems nVidia don't really want us to know this, because they certainly don't make a big deal about it....but for me its a total deal breaker. I need a big display, and I would not be happy with only 720p (1080p too low too IMO).
I have been a 3D Vision gamer for a year now on the ASUS 23" monitor. I'm thinking of buying a 40" - 50" 3D Television in time for the release of Batman: Arkham City.
I understand that would require using the television's glasses instead of my 3D Vision glasses. So before I jump in, can someone tell me if there is any quality difference using the 3D TV Play piggyback system? Will I still be able to adjust convergence and get the identical 3D effect of the stand alone 3D Vision, or no? Many thanks!
No, your computer monitor supports 1080p @ 120Hz input via dual link DVI, the TV's don't have a dual link DVI connection, only HDMI...which means they are limited by the HDMI interface itself....which will only allow a maximum resolution of 720p @ 120Hz.
I've been exploring this myself lately, and it seems nVidia don't really want us to know this, because they certainly don't make a big deal about it....but for me its a total deal breaker. I need a big display, and I would not be happy with only 720p (1080p too low too IMO).
As for your question about the DLP TVs, that's a good question, and unfortunately I don't know the answer.
As for your question about the DLP TVs, that's a good question, and unfortunately I don't know the answer.
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So yes, you can buy a 1080p TV and run 3D Vision on it with 3DTV Play, but you'll only get 720p out of it.
[b]There seems to be an exception...with the newer "passive" 3D TV's like those from LG. I'm reading reports that they support 3D 1080p, but there is also a bit of a downside in picture quality due to their method of producing 3D content. But I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. I wish there was a resource where all this was spelled out, but if there is I haven't found it yet.[/b]
So yes, you can buy a 1080p TV and run 3D Vision on it with 3DTV Play, but you'll only get 720p out of it.
There seems to be an exception...with the newer "passive" 3D TV's like those from LG. I'm reading reports that they support 3D 1080p, but there is also a bit of a downside in picture quality due to their method of producing 3D content. But I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it. I wish there was a resource where all this was spelled out, but if there is I haven't found it yet.
Another reason for 3D tv's advertising 1080p (that are HDMI 1.4a) is for movies/TV which are 1080p at 24Hz, the only other option is 720p at 60Hz which is intended for consoles.
Unless you can buy a TV that supports checkerboard (which allows for 1080p 60Hz) get a projector. In 2010 most Samsung TV's and some others eg LG still had checkerboard, but in 2011 only high end Samsung's have checkerboard.
To summarize, you have two options, get a high end 2011 50" (or larger) Samsung LED that support checherboard (look that up in the manual before buying) and using rollermod with that screen you trick it into acting like a HDMI 1.3 screen which will allow 1080p 60hz checkerboard OR get a project, for example the ACER H360.
Stay away from framepacking its terrible
Another reason for 3D tv's advertising 1080p (that are HDMI 1.4a) is for movies/TV which are 1080p at 24Hz, the only other option is 720p at 60Hz which is intended for consoles.
Unless you can buy a TV that supports checkerboard (which allows for 1080p 60Hz) get a projector. In 2010 most Samsung TV's and some others eg LG still had checkerboard, but in 2011 only high end Samsung's have checkerboard.
To summarize, you have two options, get a high end 2011 50" (or larger) Samsung LED that support checherboard (look that up in the manual before buying) and using rollermod with that screen you trick it into acting like a HDMI 1.3 screen which will allow 1080p 60hz checkerboard OR get a project, for example the ACER H360.
Stay away from framepacking its terrible
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Okay, thanks for the input. I think I may hold off on the TV purchase idea. Too bad we don't have larger monitors capable of 3D yet.
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I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
Okay, thanks for the input. I think I may hold off on the TV purchase idea. Too bad we don't have larger monitors capable of 3D yet.
I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
[/quote]
Hmmm.. If it had been available when I purchased mine I would have definitely gone for it, but I don't think that's going to be a big enough bang for my buck. Then again, what did you pay for it? *edit - Nevermind, looked it up on Newegg. Whoa! $700.00! No thanks! I'll get some more mileage outta my $300.00 monitor while I wait for bigger ones to be developed.
I know it’s not huge, but I just got an Acer HN274H 27". It is quite a bit bigger than the 23" though. I highly recommend this monitor if you are looking for something a little bigger. Also the 3d admitter is built into the monitor and comes with a set of glasses. One less thing you have to worry about.
Hmmm.. If it had been available when I purchased mine I would have definitely gone for it, but I don't think that's going to be a big enough bang for my buck. Then again, what did you pay for it? *edit - Nevermind, looked it up on Newegg. Whoa! $700.00! No thanks! I'll get some more mileage outta my $300.00 monitor while I wait for bigger ones to be developed.
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|HDDs: Seagate Barracuda 1TB; Seagate Barracuda 500GB
|PS: OCZ ZX Series 1250watt
|Case: Antec 1200 V3
|Monitors: Asus 3D VG278HE; Asus 3D VG236H; Samsung 3D 51" Plasma;
|GPU:MSI 1080GTX "Duke"
|OS: Windows 10 Pro X64