As some of you may or may not know, the next generation of the HDMI specification, HDMI 2.0 is currently being finalized.
The HDMI forum has been meeting over the past months to determine the direction HDMI should go in the future. The two directions put forth included (a) an improved TMDS 6Gbps per lane proposal backed by Silicon Image and almost all of the TV manufacturers and the (b) Micro-Packet proposal led by Apple, Intel, AMD and others to make use of existing Displayport technology. While it was expected to be a close call between the two, the enhanced TMDS 6Gbps approach outperformed the Micro-Packet path. As of this writing, the enhanced TMDS 6Gbps per lane (18Gbps total) will be the protocol for HDMI 2.0.
In addition to the higher data rate, there are expected to be additional features which may include additional 3D functionality, more than 8 channels of audio, CEC standby and wakeup and more.
Keep in mind this is a specification only and there are few current products that could natively meet all of these new specifications anytime soon. In fact, there are still many features in the current HDMI specification that still have yet to be realized by hardware manufacturers to date. As was the case with 1.3 to 1.4, this new specification will serve as a roadmap to future functionality and it will take some time for the manufacturers and technology to catch up in every day use.
The official HDMI 2.0 specification is expected to be released by the end of 2012 with the CTS compliance testing specification expected in February or March 2013.
Finally we will see a better 3D vision product. Meaning more compatibility between the hardware and software.
As some of you may or may not know, the next generation of the HDMI specification, HDMI 2.0 is currently being finalized.
The HDMI forum has been meeting over the past months to determine the direction HDMI should go in the future. The two directions put forth included (a) an improved TMDS 6Gbps per lane proposal backed by Silicon Image and almost all of the TV manufacturers and the (b) Micro-Packet proposal led by Apple, Intel, AMD and others to make use of existing Displayport technology. While it was expected to be a close call between the two, the enhanced TMDS 6Gbps approach outperformed the Micro-Packet path. As of this writing, the enhanced TMDS 6Gbps per lane (18Gbps total) will be the protocol for HDMI 2.0.
In addition to the higher data rate, there are expected to be additional features which may include additional 3D functionality, more than 8 channels of audio, CEC standby and wakeup and more.
Keep in mind this is a specification only and there are few current products that could natively meet all of these new specifications anytime soon. In fact, there are still many features in the current HDMI specification that still have yet to be realized by hardware manufacturers to date. As was the case with 1.3 to 1.4, this new specification will serve as a roadmap to future functionality and it will take some time for the manufacturers and technology to catch up in every day use.
The official HDMI 2.0 specification is expected to be released by the end of 2012 with the CTS compliance testing specification expected in February or March 2013.
Finally we will see a better 3D vision product. Meaning more compatibility between the hardware and software.
I hate HDMI and it's bullshit handshakes.
HDCP is a huge disservice to all uaer's that have to put up with it's dysfunctional implementation.
HDCP only hurts the innocent and should just go away.
HDMI 2.0 can't come quickly enough as we've been held back far too long by 1.4
Personally, I've never had any HDCP issues with any of my equipment, it's just been plug and play.
There are handshake issues with some equipment, but it's not as common as it was in the early days.
It's annoying but I don't blame the industry for implementing a copy protection technology.
You can argue that it's pointless because it's still possible to download things, but if I was trying to make money from selling something I'd try to at least make it harder for people to steal it.
HDMI 2.0 can't come quickly enough as we've been held back far too long by 1.4
Personally, I've never had any HDCP issues with any of my equipment, it's just been plug and play.
There are handshake issues with some equipment, but it's not as common as it was in the early days.
It's annoying but I don't blame the industry for implementing a copy protection technology.
You can argue that it's pointless because it's still possible to download things, but if I was trying to make money from selling something I'd try to at least make it harder for people to steal it.
GTX 1070 SLI, I7-6700k ~ 4.4Ghz, 3x BenQ XL2420T, BenQ TK800, LG 55EG960V (3D OLED), Samsung 850 EVO SSD, Crucial M4 SSD, 3D vision kit, Xpand x104 glasses, Corsair HX1000i, Win 10 pro 64/Win 7 64https://www.3dmark.com/fs/9529310
My cable box bitches for a couple of seconds after the TV screen turns on about no HDCP support, but the hardware test for the box sees it so it works anyway. I am fairly connector agnostic, but I hate content control bullshit.
My cable box bitches for a couple of seconds after the TV screen turns on about no HDCP support, but the hardware test for the box sees it so it works anyway. I am fairly connector agnostic, but I hate content control bullshit.
Hope this comes out soon, its really frustrating being held back by a cable connection. I hope whatever is causing the input lag with 3DTVs is solved at the same time too. If they could implement frame interpolation that didn't contribute to input lag, they might have a real winner on their hands.
Hope this comes out soon, its really frustrating being held back by a cable connection. I hope whatever is causing the input lag with 3DTVs is solved at the same time too. If they could implement frame interpolation that didn't contribute to input lag, they might have a real winner on their hands.
With SONY recently introducing their big ticket 4K televisions, they are still close-lipped about whether they're going to stand by their early buyers who have 1.4.
I understand only Samsung will offer early 4K buyers the ability to purchase 2.0 upgrade kit to make their product compatible.
I'm new here, Greetings! I don't know if you're allowed to post links to other off-site articles. Here is something I read a few days ago:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/hdmi-2-0-explained/
(edited to add:) I found this just moments ago and sort of answered my own question. It's just a matter of whether Sony eventually decides to walk the walk.
"At a 4K press event currently held in LA, Sony suggested that it will offer a solution to make its televisions compatible with the higher frame rates when the new HDMI standard is officially unveiled. While none of the Sony reps were able to go on the record, they strongly hinted that consumers that are now buying 55, 65 or 84-inch UHD televisions won't be left out in the cold. That likely means that the input board in the TV could be replaced, but Sony did not want to get ahead of itself."
source: http://us.hardware.info/news/34661/samsung-and-sony-to-offer-hdmi-20-upgrade-for-uhd-tvs
With SONY recently introducing their big ticket 4K televisions, they are still close-lipped about whether they're going to stand by their early buyers who have 1.4.
I understand only Samsung will offer early 4K buyers the ability to purchase 2.0 upgrade kit to make their product compatible.
(edited to add:) I found this just moments ago and sort of answered my own question. It's just a matter of whether Sony eventually decides to walk the walk.
"At a 4K press event currently held in LA, Sony suggested that it will offer a solution to make its televisions compatible with the higher frame rates when the new HDMI standard is officially unveiled. While none of the Sony reps were able to go on the record, they strongly hinted that consumers that are now buying 55, 65 or 84-inch UHD televisions won't be left out in the cold. That likely means that the input board in the TV could be replaced, but Sony did not want to get ahead of itself."
From what I've seen so far 4K TVs use either Display Port to get 3840x2160@30Hz or use "two" HDMI inputs to achieve 3840x2160@60Hz.
Check out this video for an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T7pdrOipuI
So far only some AMD Radeon GPUs support the second solution. Nvidia is looking at implementing in a future driver release.
I still think that in order to support HDMI 2.0, they'll need to switch over to HDMI Type "B" cables that use 29 pins vs the current 19.
Type B cables are electrically compatible with Dual-Link DVI-D
[quote="D-Man11"]I hate HDMI and it's bullshit handshakes.
HDCP is a huge disservice to all uaer's that have to put up with it's dysfunctional implementation.
HDCP only hurts the innocent and should just go away.[/quote]
The only time I have ever seen HDCP ever be a problem was when someone was doing something illegal period. If used correctly HDCP will never ever cause a user a problem at all period. If you are having a problem with it you are doing something you are not suppose to do and that is in no way the fault of HDMI or HDCP.
D-Man11 said:I hate HDMI and it's bullshit handshakes.
HDCP is a huge disservice to all uaer's that have to put up with it's dysfunctional implementation.
HDCP only hurts the innocent and should just go away.
The only time I have ever seen HDCP ever be a problem was when someone was doing something illegal period. If used correctly HDCP will never ever cause a user a problem at all period. If you are having a problem with it you are doing something you are not suppose to do and that is in no way the fault of HDMI or HDCP.
OS: Windows 8.1 x64 OS X 10.9.1 CPU: i5 3570K
Mainboard: Asus Z77 Sabertooth RAM: G. Skill 16gig 1600
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 670 SLI CASE: In Win GRone White
MONITORS: 3x Asus VK278Q 27" MOUSE: Tt esport Level 10 M
SSD: Mushkin Enhanced Atlas 120gig HDD: 6x WD 3tb Green
Looking to avoid the chicken-and-egg scenario that plagued the early days of HDTV and attract new customers to the next-generation UltraHD (4K) TV, Sony Pictures is licensing video compression technology from a company called eyeIO to deliver some of its most popular movies stored on its $699 FMP-X1 4K media player to Sony’s UltraHD TV sets, which will be available this summer.
source: http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv/sony-use-eyeio-compression-4k-viewing-ultrahd-sets
Looking to avoid the chicken-and-egg scenario that plagued the early days of HDTV and attract new customers to the next-generation UltraHD (4K) TV, Sony Pictures is licensing video compression technology from a company called eyeIO to deliver some of its most popular movies stored on its $699 FMP-X1 4K media player to Sony’s UltraHD TV sets, which will be available this summer.
hello,
sorry for the interruption, however, can anyone tell me if there is a dual link dvi-i to hdmi 1.4 adapter so that i can hook up a quadro 4000 to a modern LG big 3d tv to use as a monitor please...
thanks in advance, j
sorry for the interruption, however, can anyone tell me if there is a dual link dvi-i to hdmi 1.4 adapter so that i can hook up a quadro 4000 to a modern LG big 3d tv to use as a monitor please...
Hdmi Type A cables are backwards and forwards compatible with Single Link DVI(d) cables.
HDMI Type B cables are forwards and backwards compatible with Dual Link DVI(d) cables, but have yet to be implemented.
Currently available 3D HDTVs only accept a 60Hz input.
If you want to use the ARC or Ethernet features of HDMI 1.4, the cable must support it. I'm uncertain though if your Quadro would though. You just need a "High Bandwidth" cable, although a good quality early gen HDMI cable would likely be capable and work.
Hdmi Type A cables are backwards and forwards compatible with Single Link DVI(d) cables.
HDMI Type B cables are forwards and backwards compatible with Dual Link DVI(d) cables, but have yet to be implemented.
Currently available 3D HDTVs only accept a 60Hz input.
If you want to use the ARC or Ethernet features of HDMI 1.4, the cable must support it. I'm uncertain though if your Quadro would though. You just need a "High Bandwidth" cable, although a good quality early gen HDMI cable would likely be capable and work.
[quote="bryonhowley"]The only time I have ever seen HDCP ever be a problem was when someone was doing something illegal period. If used correctly HDCP will never ever cause a user a problem at all period. If you are having a problem with it you are doing something you are not suppose to do and that is in no way the fault of HDMI or HDCP.[/quote]
Wow, and because you've never seen it...
What kind of fantasy land electronics world are you from? Talk to any pro integrator about HDCP handshake issues.
Ridiculous post.
bryonhowley said:The only time I have ever seen HDCP ever be a problem was when someone was doing something illegal period. If used correctly HDCP will never ever cause a user a problem at all period. If you are having a problem with it you are doing something you are not suppose to do and that is in no way the fault of HDMI or HDCP.
Wow, and because you've never seen it...
What kind of fantasy land electronics world are you from? Talk to any pro integrator about HDCP handshake issues.
The HDMI forum has been meeting over the past months to determine the direction HDMI should go in the future. The two directions put forth included (a) an improved TMDS 6Gbps per lane proposal backed by Silicon Image and almost all of the TV manufacturers and the (b) Micro-Packet proposal led by Apple, Intel, AMD and others to make use of existing Displayport technology. While it was expected to be a close call between the two, the enhanced TMDS 6Gbps approach outperformed the Micro-Packet path. As of this writing, the enhanced TMDS 6Gbps per lane (18Gbps total) will be the protocol for HDMI 2.0.
In addition to the higher data rate, there are expected to be additional features which may include additional 3D functionality, more than 8 channels of audio, CEC standby and wakeup and more.
Keep in mind this is a specification only and there are few current products that could natively meet all of these new specifications anytime soon. In fact, there are still many features in the current HDMI specification that still have yet to be realized by hardware manufacturers to date. As was the case with 1.3 to 1.4, this new specification will serve as a roadmap to future functionality and it will take some time for the manufacturers and technology to catch up in every day use.
The official HDMI 2.0 specification is expected to be released by the end of 2012 with the CTS compliance testing specification expected in February or March 2013.
Finally we will see a better 3D vision product. Meaning more compatibility between the hardware and software.
HDCP is a huge disservice to all uaer's that have to put up with it's dysfunctional implementation.
HDCP only hurts the innocent and should just go away.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bits - Core i7 2600K @ 4.5ghz - Asus Maximus IV Extreme Z68 - Geforce EVGA GTX 690 - 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 9-9-9-24 (2T) - Thermaltake Armor+ - SSD Intel 510 Series Sata3 256GB - HD WD Caviar Black Sata3 64mb 2TB - HD WD Caviar Black 1TB Sata3 64mb - Bose Sound System - LG H20L GGW Blu Ray/DVD/CD RW - LG GH20 DVD RAM - PSU Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W - Samsung S27A950D 3D Vision Ready + 3D HDTV SAMSUNG PL63C7000 3DTVPLAY + ROLLERMOD CHECKERBOARD
Personally, I've never had any HDCP issues with any of my equipment, it's just been plug and play.
There are handshake issues with some equipment, but it's not as common as it was in the early days.
It's annoying but I don't blame the industry for implementing a copy protection technology.
You can argue that it's pointless because it's still possible to download things, but if I was trying to make money from selling something I'd try to at least make it harder for people to steal it.
GTX 1070 SLI, I7-6700k ~ 4.4Ghz, 3x BenQ XL2420T, BenQ TK800, LG 55EG960V (3D OLED), Samsung 850 EVO SSD, Crucial M4 SSD, 3D vision kit, Xpand x104 glasses, Corsair HX1000i, Win 10 pro 64/Win 7 64https://www.3dmark.com/fs/9529310
46" Samsung ES7500 3DTV (checkerboard, high FOV as desktop monitor, highly recommend!) - Metro 2033 3D PNG screens - Metro LL filter realism mod - Flugan's Deus Ex:HR Depth changers - Nvidia tech support online form - Nvidia support: 1-800-797-6530
I understand only Samsung will offer early 4K buyers the ability to purchase 2.0 upgrade kit to make their product compatible.
I'm new here, Greetings! I don't know if you're allowed to post links to other off-site articles. Here is something I read a few days ago:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/hdmi-2-0-explained/
(edited to add:) I found this just moments ago and sort of answered my own question. It's just a matter of whether Sony eventually decides to walk the walk.
"At a 4K press event currently held in LA, Sony suggested that it will offer a solution to make its televisions compatible with the higher frame rates when the new HDMI standard is officially unveiled. While none of the Sony reps were able to go on the record, they strongly hinted that consumers that are now buying 55, 65 or 84-inch UHD televisions won't be left out in the cold. That likely means that the input board in the TV could be replaced, but Sony did not want to get ahead of itself."
source: http://us.hardware.info/news/34661/samsung-and-sony-to-offer-hdmi-20-upgrade-for-uhd-tvs
Check out this video for an example
So far only some AMD Radeon GPUs support the second solution. Nvidia is looking at implementing in a future driver release.
I still think that in order to support HDMI 2.0, they'll need to switch over to HDMI Type "B" cables that use 29 pins vs the current 19.
Type B cables are electrically compatible with Dual-Link DVI-D
The only time I have ever seen HDCP ever be a problem was when someone was doing something illegal period. If used correctly HDCP will never ever cause a user a problem at all period. If you are having a problem with it you are doing something you are not suppose to do and that is in no way the fault of HDMI or HDCP.
OS: Windows 8.1 x64 OS X 10.9.1 CPU: i5 3570K
Mainboard: Asus Z77 Sabertooth RAM: G. Skill 16gig 1600
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 670 SLI CASE: In Win GRone White
MONITORS: 3x Asus VK278Q 27" MOUSE: Tt esport Level 10 M
SSD: Mushkin Enhanced Atlas 120gig HDD: 6x WD 3tb Green
source: http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv/sony-use-eyeio-compression-4k-viewing-ultrahd-sets
sorry for the interruption, however, can anyone tell me if there is a dual link dvi-i to hdmi 1.4 adapter so that i can hook up a quadro 4000 to a modern LG big 3d tv to use as a monitor please...
thanks in advance, j
HDMI Type B cables are forwards and backwards compatible with Dual Link DVI(d) cables, but have yet to be implemented.
Currently available 3D HDTVs only accept a 60Hz input.
If you want to use the ARC or Ethernet features of HDMI 1.4, the cable must support it. I'm uncertain though if your Quadro would though. You just need a "High Bandwidth" cable, although a good quality early gen HDMI cable would likely be capable and work.
Wow, and because you've never seen it...
What kind of fantasy land electronics world are you from? Talk to any pro integrator about HDCP handshake issues.
Ridiculous post.