NVidia will SUPPORT 3D Blu-Ray-Standards ! Good News for all 3D-Movie-Fans out there ... :-)
As i expected : Nvidia will give FULL SUPPORT FOR THE 3D BLURAY-STANDARD, with their 3D VISION technic !!!
here is the link, to the information: [url="http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/"]http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/[/url] !!!
This is a very goooooood news for all of us !!!
What do u think about it ???
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My contact at a bluray-group association said, that we will see the first S3D-Trailers for movies in fall 2010 (downloadable over a special-site because the files are VERY BIG !!!)
The BluRay-3D Standard is official in spring-to-summer 2010 ... ( what stands now is only one thing: 1080p for each eye - nothing more is a fact ... at the moment the bluray-group is switching between 120hz, and 144hz [like 3D in cinemas] for the 3D bluray-standard... And a very important thing about is: what the hdmi-standard will be - it has to be an new one, because of the massive loaded informationen pulled through the cables !!!)
The first very impressive 3D FullHd TV's will come in spring 2010 - but i would prefer to wait, because the first TVs with the new technic had a lot of issues at the ifa and cebit AND of course:
the first 3D FullHD TV's have no official selected 3D BluRay Support !!! (One rumor is: that the producers of tv's are working on polarized tv's, which are not working in interlaced format, but have a two channel backlight, that is switching circular light in the background... so the display shows 120/144hz right-left-right-left... in 1080p and the backlight is switching the polarization - so the tv does, what a active shutterglass would do - but the big pro about polarization is: better light-handling, better picture and of course: lighter glasses - with lesser manipulating the picture !!! Pro about shutterglasses: NOW AVAILABLE ^^, lesser cost in production and very flexible about refreshrates and so on !!!)
As u can see the world turns and the future is being made NOW ...
I am looking for this future to come... and we will see 3D in HomeCinemas at the end of the next year - i'm sure !!!
(Next rumor: "James Cameron's AVATAR" will come in September 2010 on a normal 2D-BluRay (and DVD) - and in March 2011 with a EXTENDED VERSION (23 Min longer Director's Cut) on 3D-BluRay !!!)
My contact at a bluray-group association said, that we will see the first S3D-Trailers for movies in fall 2010 (downloadable over a special-site because the files are VERY BIG !!!)
The BluRay-3D Standard is official in spring-to-summer 2010 ... ( what stands now is only one thing: 1080p for each eye - nothing more is a fact ... at the moment the bluray-group is switching between 120hz, and 144hz [like 3D in cinemas] for the 3D bluray-standard... And a very important thing about is: what the hdmi-standard will be - it has to be an new one, because of the massive loaded informationen pulled through the cables !!!)
The first very impressive 3D FullHd TV's will come in spring 2010 - but i would prefer to wait, because the first TVs with the new technic had a lot of issues at the ifa and cebit AND of course:
the first 3D FullHD TV's have no official selected 3D BluRay Support !!! (One rumor is: that the producers of tv's are working on polarized tv's, which are not working in interlaced format, but have a two channel backlight, that is switching circular light in the background... so the display shows 120/144hz right-left-right-left... in 1080p and the backlight is switching the polarization - so the tv does, what a active shutterglass would do - but the big pro about polarization is: better light-handling, better picture and of course: lighter glasses - with lesser manipulating the picture !!! Pro about shutterglasses: NOW AVAILABLE ^^, lesser cost in production and very flexible about refreshrates and so on !!!)
As u can see the world turns and the future is being made NOW ...
I am looking for this future to come... and we will see 3D in HomeCinemas at the end of the next year - i'm sure !!!
(Next rumor: "James Cameron's AVATAR" will come in September 2010 on a normal 2D-BluRay (and DVD) - and in March 2011 with a EXTENDED VERSION (23 Min longer Director's Cut) on 3D-BluRay !!!)
[quote name='turls' post='959130' date='Dec 3 2009, 04:55 PM']I don't get it, if the standards aren't finalized, how do we know they will be supported by 3D Vision?[/quote]
4. NVIDIA is also set to fully support the upcoming 3D Blu-ray standard. I saw a demonstration of a film clip running in 3D off a desktop computer using a mockup of the 3D Blu-ray standards, and it looked spectacular.
5. NVIDIA is working with Youtube, Flickr, Facebook, and more to enable 3D on these platforms.
[quote name='turls' post='959130' date='Dec 3 2009, 04:55 PM']I don't get it, if the standards aren't finalized, how do we know they will be supported by 3D Vision?
4. NVIDIA is also set to fully support the upcoming 3D Blu-ray standard. I saw a demonstration of a film clip running in 3D off a desktop computer using a mockup of the 3D Blu-ray standards, and it looked spectacular.
5. NVIDIA is working with Youtube, Flickr, Facebook, and more to enable 3D on these platforms.
That's the point ... 3D Vision Glasses and the SoftwarePlayer is able to do S3D-Movies - as u can see with the samples on their side and some more to find in the www ... ... but if u need another Nvidia Graphic-Card (with HDMI 1.4 ?!) and a new Monitor ( with support for HDMI 1.4 and so on ... ) for 3D-BluRay - is on another hand !!! So long , we just know, that we will be able to use 3D Vision Glasses to see 3D-BluRay ... but i expect, that u need a new bluray-player (for pc - because the 50gb Layer's don't will fit to the 3D Movies) + new graphics-card to use this !!! Eventually you need a new monitor too - just to use the hdmi 1.4 port !!!
That is all speculation ... because: THERE IS NO FINALIZED STANDARD FOR 3D-BluRay !!! All Nvidia is saying, that their solutions (3D Vision Glasses, 120hz Monitor and GraphicCard with DualLink) are able to play 3D Movies... but if they can take the upcoming Standard, is in the stars !!! But they will support it - maybe with a new revision of their hardware ???
But if Nvidia is consumer-friendly: they find a software-solution for us (using available hardware like 3D Vision Glasses, Samsung Monitor and Dual-Link DVI based Graphics-Card like GF 8800 and on ... )
It could be possible !!! 120hz monitor/glasses = 24 x 5 = that means 60 for each eye .... the 24hz picture of the bluray ( 3D ---> right = 24hz / left = 24hz) would be upscaled to 60hz - that would be end in juddering, because every third frame would be repeated twice !!! Now... i don't know, if we all can play 3D bluray with our 3D Vision equipment - but nvidia will try to make it !!!
my opinion: 3D Standard will be 144hz ( that means 24hz x 6 = 72hz for each eye [24hz x 3] ) - that's the only refreshrate that is fast enough for shutterglasses - and at the same time, the only one, that can handle 24hz without upscaling it to a juddering refreshrate !!! But maybe it could be possible, to use our equipment and see 3D Movies with it, without being officially selected from the bluray-group-assoc. 120hz by dual link is fast enough to bring 2x1080p for S3D and with the right software, the juddering could be minimized !! If that will happen: the only thing we need is a new bluray-player in our pc - because 3D Movies will be much larger, than a single bluray can handle !!!
That's the point ... 3D Vision Glasses and the SoftwarePlayer is able to do S3D-Movies - as u can see with the samples on their side and some more to find in the www ... ... but if u need another Nvidia Graphic-Card (with HDMI 1.4 ?!) and a new Monitor ( with support for HDMI 1.4 and so on ... ) for 3D-BluRay - is on another hand !!! So long , we just know, that we will be able to use 3D Vision Glasses to see 3D-BluRay ... but i expect, that u need a new bluray-player (for pc - because the 50gb Layer's don't will fit to the 3D Movies) + new graphics-card to use this !!! Eventually you need a new monitor too - just to use the hdmi 1.4 port !!!
That is all speculation ... because: THERE IS NO FINALIZED STANDARD FOR 3D-BluRay !!! All Nvidia is saying, that their solutions (3D Vision Glasses, 120hz Monitor and GraphicCard with DualLink) are able to play 3D Movies... but if they can take the upcoming Standard, is in the stars !!! But they will support it - maybe with a new revision of their hardware ???
But if Nvidia is consumer-friendly: they find a software-solution for us (using available hardware like 3D Vision Glasses, Samsung Monitor and Dual-Link DVI based Graphics-Card like GF 8800 and on ... )
It could be possible !!! 120hz monitor/glasses = 24 x 5 = that means 60 for each eye .... the 24hz picture of the bluray ( 3D ---> right = 24hz / left = 24hz) would be upscaled to 60hz - that would be end in juddering, because every third frame would be repeated twice !!! Now... i don't know, if we all can play 3D bluray with our 3D Vision equipment - but nvidia will try to make it !!!
my opinion: 3D Standard will be 144hz ( that means 24hz x 6 = 72hz for each eye [24hz x 3] ) - that's the only refreshrate that is fast enough for shutterglasses - and at the same time, the only one, that can handle 24hz without upscaling it to a juddering refreshrate !!! But maybe it could be possible, to use our equipment and see 3D Movies with it, without being officially selected from the bluray-group-assoc. 120hz by dual link is fast enough to bring 2x1080p for S3D and with the right software, the juddering could be minimized !! If that will happen: the only thing we need is a new bluray-player in our pc - because 3D Movies will be much larger, than a single bluray can handle !!!
they said you should be able to use most blu ray players out today and i have a feeling the newer monitors wont replace the ones we have now but they will probably be better which is unfortunate but what do you expect for being the first with 3d ?
as long as they support the older models ill have no gripe
they said you should be able to use most blu ray players out today and i have a feeling the newer monitors wont replace the ones we have now but they will probably be better which is unfortunate but what do you expect for being the first with 3d ?
as long as they support the older models ill have no gripe
Called my guy from the BluRay-group and asked him ( for me too, it was a completely new information !!!) ... Soooo... HDMI 1.3 is able to send S3D to a S3D-TV ... BUT: Not all bitrates and not all resolutions (3D BluRay will run at 1080p/60hz - but this is not finalized - it could also be near at the cinematics now - 1080p/48hz) !!!!!! HDMI 1.4 is a guarranty for S3D !! And of course - a bluray-disc with 50gig can handle about 80 minutes of S3D material by bitrates between 15 and 25 ! But over that - and longer movies - need more capacity ... The BDAssoc. will not direct the developers and more as a half of filmindustrie-developers and productdesigners will target on hdmi 1.4 - because to bring up a new firmware with 3D-ability - is not so efficient in reproduction of 3D Pic, as it will be with newer HDMI Revision and new Players with new TV's ... and at least : it brings more money ... So YES: PS3 and XBOX360 will be able to play some 3D BluRay's - as other Players too (a software-player will be integrated through a firmware-update), but NOT ALL the 3D BluRay's will be working with - some of them needs new players, that can handle it - on pc ( inclusive 3D Vision from Nvidia ) it will be a software-question !!!
And when the time comes and a 50gig bluray is not enough - then there are two way's to handle with:
split the movie on two disc's OR a new bluray-format with 75gig up to 100gig capacity - the last one is recommended by Mr. James Cameron and Sony, BGM, Warner, etc .. because, they won't split their 3D Films on two discs,
that would have a bad effect on the immersion of the audience ... "Stand up in the middle of the movie - lay down the glasses - switch the disc's - sit down - lay your glasses back on your eyes !!! That's not cool ... !"
So if you ask me: HDMI 1.4 is one part of the 3D BluRay Standard ... and no player till now has it !!! There will be firmware-updates, yes ... but not all movies will be supported !!! And of course ... OneDay in the not so distant future... a new bluray disc format will come, to set the new bar for 3D BD !!!
As for now: we can only wait ... and after my call with the friend of mine ... 3D Vision will be able to play some 3D Movies - but needs good software-solution to handle with !!!
3D SoftWare Player which converts the 3D-BD-Standard ( 1080p/48hz - or 1080p/60hz) to the target on our monitors refreshrate (120hz) - and the dvi-dual-link must have the same possibility of sending bitrates and resolutions !!
So NVIDIA ... Give Your Best !!! Please don't tell us, we need a new revision to buy !!!
Called my guy from the BluRay-group and asked him ( for me too, it was a completely new information !!!) ... Soooo... HDMI 1.3 is able to send S3D to a S3D-TV ... BUT: Not all bitrates and not all resolutions (3D BluRay will run at 1080p/60hz - but this is not finalized - it could also be near at the cinematics now - 1080p/48hz) !!!!!! HDMI 1.4 is a guarranty for S3D !! And of course - a bluray-disc with 50gig can handle about 80 minutes of S3D material by bitrates between 15 and 25 ! But over that - and longer movies - need more capacity ... The BDAssoc. will not direct the developers and more as a half of filmindustrie-developers and productdesigners will target on hdmi 1.4 - because to bring up a new firmware with 3D-ability - is not so efficient in reproduction of 3D Pic, as it will be with newer HDMI Revision and new Players with new TV's ... and at least : it brings more money ... So YES: PS3 and XBOX360 will be able to play some 3D BluRay's - as other Players too (a software-player will be integrated through a firmware-update), but NOT ALL the 3D BluRay's will be working with - some of them needs new players, that can handle it - on pc ( inclusive 3D Vision from Nvidia ) it will be a software-question !!!
And when the time comes and a 50gig bluray is not enough - then there are two way's to handle with:
split the movie on two disc's OR a new bluray-format with 75gig up to 100gig capacity - the last one is recommended by Mr. James Cameron and Sony, BGM, Warner, etc .. because, they won't split their 3D Films on two discs,
that would have a bad effect on the immersion of the audience ... "Stand up in the middle of the movie - lay down the glasses - switch the disc's - sit down - lay your glasses back on your eyes !!! That's not cool ... !"
So if you ask me: HDMI 1.4 is one part of the 3D BluRay Standard ... and no player till now has it !!! There will be firmware-updates, yes ... but not all movies will be supported !!! And of course ... OneDay in the not so distant future... a new bluray disc format will come, to set the new bar for 3D BD !!!
As for now: we can only wait ... and after my call with the friend of mine ... 3D Vision will be able to play some 3D Movies - but needs good software-solution to handle with !!!
3D SoftWare Player which converts the 3D-BD-Standard ( 1080p/48hz - or 1080p/60hz) to the target on our monitors refreshrate (120hz) - and the dvi-dual-link must have the same possibility of sending bitrates and resolutions !!
So NVIDIA ... Give Your Best !!! Please don't tell us, we need a new revision to buy !!!
I don't get it. How come I can watch HD S3D video through VGA now but it's said we will need cables capable of higher bitrate/bandwidth for the new standard?
I don't get it. How come I can watch HD S3D video through VGA now but it's said we will need cables capable of higher bitrate/bandwidth for the new standard?
@chibi chaingun: You won't be able to see bluray through VGA ... because VGA has no HDCP description !!! (HDCP = copyprotection) ... If you watch a bluray through a softwareplayer on pc, linked over VGA to your beamer/monitor, then the resolution sinks more than a half !!! AND: you can see that !!
For now - target of 3D BD: players with HDMI 1.4 which are able to reproduce 1080p/60hz by bitrates between 35 and 70 !!!
3D BD through HDMI 1.3 (like PS3 and XBOX360 and older players!!!): only possible through a software integrated firmware update, that reduces the bitrate of the two seperate video-layers !!!
for both of them: HDCP !!! (integrated since HDMI 1.1)
Playing in S3D is possible through VGA, yes - because the picture is created in realtime and NOT HDCP protected !!!
But a videolayer from a bluray must be descripted from the tv, which is linked to the bd-player !! So VGA Beamers and Monitors will not be able to show upcoming HDCP-protected (3D) BD's ...
For Dual-DVI it's the same... Must have HDCP and be able of --- high refreshrate for shutterglasses (3D Vision) / new polarized monitors and passive glasses ---
@chibi chaingun: You won't be able to see bluray through VGA ... because VGA has no HDCP description !!! (HDCP = copyprotection) ... If you watch a bluray through a softwareplayer on pc, linked over VGA to your beamer/monitor, then the resolution sinks more than a half !!! AND: you can see that !!
For now - target of 3D BD: players with HDMI 1.4 which are able to reproduce 1080p/60hz by bitrates between 35 and 70 !!!
3D BD through HDMI 1.3 (like PS3 and XBOX360 and older players!!!): only possible through a software integrated firmware update, that reduces the bitrate of the two seperate video-layers !!!
for both of them: HDCP !!! (integrated since HDMI 1.1)
Playing in S3D is possible through VGA, yes - because the picture is created in realtime and NOT HDCP protected !!!
But a videolayer from a bluray must be descripted from the tv, which is linked to the bd-player !! So VGA Beamers and Monitors will not be able to show upcoming HDCP-protected (3D) BD's ...
For Dual-DVI it's the same... Must have HDCP and be able of --- high refreshrate for shutterglasses (3D Vision) / new polarized monitors and passive glasses ---
If I understood right, they will need a new BluRay capacity up to 75 or 100 Gig. This would mean that new Players are needed, as I can't imagine adding more layers to the disc and updating the firmware of the player so that it can access those without a lot of trouble. (Or is the BR standard prepped for such capacities?)
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?
If I understood right, they will need a new BluRay capacity up to 75 or 100 Gig. This would mean that new Players are needed, as I can't imagine adding more layers to the disc and updating the firmware of the player so that it can access those without a lot of trouble. (Or is the BR standard prepped for such capacities?)
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
[quote name='Rocker_lx' post='959313' date='Dec 3 2009, 11:15 PM']If I understood right, they will need a new BluRay capacity up to 75 or 100 Gig. This would mean that new Players are needed, as I can't imagine adding more layers to the disc and updating the firmware of the player so that it can access those without a lot of trouble. (Or is the BR standard prepped for such capacities?)
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?[/quote]
im not sure if more than 50 gigs are in the current blu ray standard but months ago companies were definitly talking about discs going up to 100 gigs in the not to distant future , hopefully since they new it was going to happen the transition will go smoothly
as far as players go , hopefully big media players will start adapting and creating 3d modes , 3d vlc player anyone?
then we just need a fully 3d ready operating system and browser :]
[quote name='Rocker_lx' post='959313' date='Dec 3 2009, 11:15 PM']If I understood right, they will need a new BluRay capacity up to 75 or 100 Gig. This would mean that new Players are needed, as I can't imagine adding more layers to the disc and updating the firmware of the player so that it can access those without a lot of trouble. (Or is the BR standard prepped for such capacities?)
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?
im not sure if more than 50 gigs are in the current blu ray standard but months ago companies were definitly talking about discs going up to 100 gigs in the not to distant future , hopefully since they new it was going to happen the transition will go smoothly
as far as players go , hopefully big media players will start adapting and creating 3d modes , 3d vlc player anyone?
then we just need a fully 3d ready operating system and browser :]
[quote name='Chibi_Chaingun' post='959209' date='Dec 3 2009, 01:56 PM']I don't get it. How come I can watch HD S3D video through VGA now but it's said we will need cables capable of higher bitrate/bandwidth for the new standard?[/quote]
Old does not mean slow.
Example :
GeForce 8800 gtx, 400 mhz bandwidth RAMDACs on VGA
*Paired with*
iiyama hm204dt monitor, which has a 390 mhz bandwidth receiver
DVI standard : 165 mhz
Dual link DVI : 330 mhz
It's those damn LCD monitors... Since they didn't "flash" like CRT's, people didn't feel the need to support high refresh rates.
Like as if 'eliminating monitor flashing' was the only reason to have higher refresh rates... sigh ::eyeroll::
[quote name='Chibi_Chaingun' post='959209' date='Dec 3 2009, 01:56 PM']I don't get it. How come I can watch HD S3D video through VGA now but it's said we will need cables capable of higher bitrate/bandwidth for the new standard?
Old does not mean slow.
Example :
GeForce 8800 gtx, 400 mhz bandwidth RAMDACs on VGA
*Paired with*
iiyama hm204dt monitor, which has a 390 mhz bandwidth receiver
DVI standard : 165 mhz
Dual link DVI : 330 mhz
It's those damn LCD monitors... Since they didn't "flash" like CRT's, people didn't feel the need to support high refresh rates.
Like as if 'eliminating monitor flashing' was the only reason to have higher refresh rates... sigh ::eyeroll::
This is the best news I've heard in a while. :D I was tempted to buy a new TV last week since LCD prices have dropped so dramatically, but decided to stick with my 2 year old 32" (which when I bought it cost more than 50" cost now LOL) until true 120Hz 3d-ready LCD/LED/Plasma TV's hit the market, hopefully in 2010/2011.
Between this and word directly from the horse's mouth that Sony expects fully 30-50% of all TV sales to be "3d-ready" TVs by 2012 bodes very well for the future of stereoscopic media. :)
This is the best news I've heard in a while. :D I was tempted to buy a new TV last week since LCD prices have dropped so dramatically, but decided to stick with my 2 year old 32" (which when I bought it cost more than 50" cost now LOL) until true 120Hz 3d-ready LCD/LED/Plasma TV's hit the market, hopefully in 2010/2011.
Between this and word directly from the horse's mouth that Sony expects fully 30-50% of all TV sales to be "3d-ready" TVs by 2012 bodes very well for the future of stereoscopic media. :)
here is the link, to the information: [url="http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/"]http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/[/url] !!!
This is a very goooooood news for all of us !!!
What do u think about it ???
---
My contact at a bluray-group association said, that we will see the first S3D-Trailers for movies in fall 2010 (downloadable over a special-site because the files are VERY BIG !!!)
The BluRay-3D Standard is official in spring-to-summer 2010 ... ( what stands now is only one thing: 1080p for each eye - nothing more is a fact ... at the moment the bluray-group is switching between 120hz, and 144hz [like 3D in cinemas] for the 3D bluray-standard... And a very important thing about is: what the hdmi-standard will be - it has to be an new one, because of the massive loaded informationen pulled through the cables !!!)
The first very impressive 3D FullHd TV's will come in spring 2010 - but i would prefer to wait, because the first TVs with the new technic had a lot of issues at the ifa and cebit AND of course:
the first 3D FullHD TV's have no official selected 3D BluRay Support !!! (One rumor is: that the producers of tv's are working on polarized tv's, which are not working in interlaced format, but have a two channel backlight, that is switching circular light in the background... so the display shows 120/144hz right-left-right-left... in 1080p and the backlight is switching the polarization - so the tv does, what a active shutterglass would do - but the big pro about polarization is: better light-handling, better picture and of course: lighter glasses - with lesser manipulating the picture !!! Pro about shutterglasses: NOW AVAILABLE ^^, lesser cost in production and very flexible about refreshrates and so on !!!)
As u can see the world turns and the future is being made NOW ...
I am looking for this future to come... and we will see 3D in HomeCinemas at the end of the next year - i'm sure !!!
(Next rumor: "James Cameron's AVATAR" will come in September 2010 on a normal 2D-BluRay (and DVD) - and in March 2011 with a EXTENDED VERSION (23 Min longer Director's Cut) on 3D-BluRay !!!)
here is the link, to the information: http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/ !!!
This is a very goooooood news for all of us !!!
What do u think about it ???
---
My contact at a bluray-group association said, that we will see the first S3D-Trailers for movies in fall 2010 (downloadable over a special-site because the files are VERY BIG !!!)
The BluRay-3D Standard is official in spring-to-summer 2010 ... ( what stands now is only one thing: 1080p for each eye - nothing more is a fact ... at the moment the bluray-group is switching between 120hz, and 144hz [like 3D in cinemas] for the 3D bluray-standard... And a very important thing about is: what the hdmi-standard will be - it has to be an new one, because of the massive loaded informationen pulled through the cables !!!)
The first very impressive 3D FullHd TV's will come in spring 2010 - but i would prefer to wait, because the first TVs with the new technic had a lot of issues at the ifa and cebit AND of course:
the first 3D FullHD TV's have no official selected 3D BluRay Support !!! (One rumor is: that the producers of tv's are working on polarized tv's, which are not working in interlaced format, but have a two channel backlight, that is switching circular light in the background... so the display shows 120/144hz right-left-right-left... in 1080p and the backlight is switching the polarization - so the tv does, what a active shutterglass would do - but the big pro about polarization is: better light-handling, better picture and of course: lighter glasses - with lesser manipulating the picture !!! Pro about shutterglasses: NOW AVAILABLE ^^, lesser cost in production and very flexible about refreshrates and so on !!!)
As u can see the world turns and the future is being made NOW ...
I am looking for this future to come... and we will see 3D in HomeCinemas at the end of the next year - i'm sure !!!
(Next rumor: "James Cameron's AVATAR" will come in September 2010 on a normal 2D-BluRay (and DVD) - and in March 2011 with a EXTENDED VERSION (23 Min longer Director's Cut) on 3D-BluRay !!!)
4. NVIDIA is also set to fully support the upcoming 3D Blu-ray standard. I saw a demonstration of a film clip running in 3D off a desktop computer using a mockup of the 3D Blu-ray standards, and it looked spectacular.
5. NVIDIA is working with Youtube, Flickr, Facebook, and more to enable 3D on these platforms.
4. NVIDIA is also set to fully support the upcoming 3D Blu-ray standard. I saw a demonstration of a film clip running in 3D off a desktop computer using a mockup of the 3D Blu-ray standards, and it looked spectacular.
5. NVIDIA is working with Youtube, Flickr, Facebook, and more to enable 3D on these platforms.
intel i5 2500k @ 4.6 30C Stable
EVGA gtx 470 SLI
windows vista 64 bit
8 gig Corsair Vengeance RAM
That is all speculation ... because: THERE IS NO FINALIZED STANDARD FOR 3D-BluRay !!! All Nvidia is saying, that their solutions (3D Vision Glasses, 120hz Monitor and GraphicCard with DualLink) are able to play 3D Movies... but if they can take the upcoming Standard, is in the stars !!! But they will support it - maybe with a new revision of their hardware ???
But if Nvidia is consumer-friendly: they find a software-solution for us (using available hardware like 3D Vision Glasses, Samsung Monitor and Dual-Link DVI based Graphics-Card like GF 8800 and on ... )
It could be possible !!! 120hz monitor/glasses = 24 x 5 = that means 60 for each eye .... the 24hz picture of the bluray ( 3D ---> right = 24hz / left = 24hz) would be upscaled to 60hz - that would be end in juddering, because every third frame would be repeated twice !!! Now... i don't know, if we all can play 3D bluray with our 3D Vision equipment - but nvidia will try to make it !!!
my opinion: 3D Standard will be 144hz ( that means 24hz x 6 = 72hz for each eye [24hz x 3] ) - that's the only refreshrate that is fast enough for shutterglasses - and at the same time, the only one, that can handle 24hz without upscaling it to a juddering refreshrate !!! But maybe it could be possible, to use our equipment and see 3D Movies with it, without being officially selected from the bluray-group-assoc. 120hz by dual link is fast enough to bring 2x1080p for S3D and with the right software, the juddering could be minimized !! If that will happen: the only thing we need is a new bluray-player in our pc - because 3D Movies will be much larger, than a single bluray can handle !!!
So on ...
That is all speculation ... because: THERE IS NO FINALIZED STANDARD FOR 3D-BluRay !!! All Nvidia is saying, that their solutions (3D Vision Glasses, 120hz Monitor and GraphicCard with DualLink) are able to play 3D Movies... but if they can take the upcoming Standard, is in the stars !!! But they will support it - maybe with a new revision of their hardware ???
But if Nvidia is consumer-friendly: they find a software-solution for us (using available hardware like 3D Vision Glasses, Samsung Monitor and Dual-Link DVI based Graphics-Card like GF 8800 and on ... )
It could be possible !!! 120hz monitor/glasses = 24 x 5 = that means 60 for each eye .... the 24hz picture of the bluray ( 3D ---> right = 24hz / left = 24hz) would be upscaled to 60hz - that would be end in juddering, because every third frame would be repeated twice !!! Now... i don't know, if we all can play 3D bluray with our 3D Vision equipment - but nvidia will try to make it !!!
my opinion: 3D Standard will be 144hz ( that means 24hz x 6 = 72hz for each eye [24hz x 3] ) - that's the only refreshrate that is fast enough for shutterglasses - and at the same time, the only one, that can handle 24hz without upscaling it to a juddering refreshrate !!! But maybe it could be possible, to use our equipment and see 3D Movies with it, without being officially selected from the bluray-group-assoc. 120hz by dual link is fast enough to bring 2x1080p for S3D and with the right software, the juddering could be minimized !! If that will happen: the only thing we need is a new bluray-player in our pc - because 3D Movies will be much larger, than a single bluray can handle !!!
So on ...
as long as they support the older models ill have no gripe
if they dont i demand a step up !!!!!!
as long as they support the older models ill have no gripe
if they dont i demand a step up !!!!!!
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UPDATE:
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Called my guy from the BluRay-group and asked him ( for me too, it was a completely new information !!!) ... Soooo... HDMI 1.3 is able to send S3D to a S3D-TV ... BUT: Not all bitrates and not all resolutions (3D BluRay will run at 1080p/60hz - but this is not finalized - it could also be near at the cinematics now - 1080p/48hz) !!!!!! HDMI 1.4 is a guarranty for S3D !! And of course - a bluray-disc with 50gig can handle about 80 minutes of S3D material by bitrates between 15 and 25 ! But over that - and longer movies - need more capacity ... The BDAssoc. will not direct the developers and more as a half of filmindustrie-developers and productdesigners will target on hdmi 1.4 - because to bring up a new firmware with 3D-ability - is not so efficient in reproduction of 3D Pic, as it will be with newer HDMI Revision and new Players with new TV's ... and at least : it brings more money ... So YES: PS3 and XBOX360 will be able to play some 3D BluRay's - as other Players too (a software-player will be integrated through a firmware-update), but NOT ALL the 3D BluRay's will be working with - some of them needs new players, that can handle it - on pc ( inclusive 3D Vision from Nvidia ) it will be a software-question !!!
And when the time comes and a 50gig bluray is not enough - then there are two way's to handle with:
split the movie on two disc's OR a new bluray-format with 75gig up to 100gig capacity - the last one is recommended by Mr. James Cameron and Sony, BGM, Warner, etc .. because, they won't split their 3D Films on two discs,
that would have a bad effect on the immersion of the audience ... "Stand up in the middle of the movie - lay down the glasses - switch the disc's - sit down - lay your glasses back on your eyes !!! That's not cool ... !"
So if you ask me: HDMI 1.4 is one part of the 3D BluRay Standard ... and no player till now has it !!! There will be firmware-updates, yes ... but not all movies will be supported !!! And of course ... OneDay in the not so distant future... a new bluray disc format will come, to set the new bar for 3D BD !!!
As for now: we can only wait ... and after my call with the friend of mine ... 3D Vision will be able to play some 3D Movies - but needs good software-solution to handle with !!!
3D SoftWare Player which converts the 3D-BD-Standard ( 1080p/48hz - or 1080p/60hz) to the target on our monitors refreshrate (120hz) - and the dvi-dual-link must have the same possibility of sending bitrates and resolutions !!
So NVIDIA ... Give Your Best !!! Please don't tell us, we need a new revision to buy !!!
UPDATE:
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Called my guy from the BluRay-group and asked him ( for me too, it was a completely new information !!!) ... Soooo... HDMI 1.3 is able to send S3D to a S3D-TV ... BUT: Not all bitrates and not all resolutions (3D BluRay will run at 1080p/60hz - but this is not finalized - it could also be near at the cinematics now - 1080p/48hz) !!!!!! HDMI 1.4 is a guarranty for S3D !! And of course - a bluray-disc with 50gig can handle about 80 minutes of S3D material by bitrates between 15 and 25 ! But over that - and longer movies - need more capacity ... The BDAssoc. will not direct the developers and more as a half of filmindustrie-developers and productdesigners will target on hdmi 1.4 - because to bring up a new firmware with 3D-ability - is not so efficient in reproduction of 3D Pic, as it will be with newer HDMI Revision and new Players with new TV's ... and at least : it brings more money ... So YES: PS3 and XBOX360 will be able to play some 3D BluRay's - as other Players too (a software-player will be integrated through a firmware-update), but NOT ALL the 3D BluRay's will be working with - some of them needs new players, that can handle it - on pc ( inclusive 3D Vision from Nvidia ) it will be a software-question !!!
And when the time comes and a 50gig bluray is not enough - then there are two way's to handle with:
split the movie on two disc's OR a new bluray-format with 75gig up to 100gig capacity - the last one is recommended by Mr. James Cameron and Sony, BGM, Warner, etc .. because, they won't split their 3D Films on two discs,
that would have a bad effect on the immersion of the audience ... "Stand up in the middle of the movie - lay down the glasses - switch the disc's - sit down - lay your glasses back on your eyes !!! That's not cool ... !"
So if you ask me: HDMI 1.4 is one part of the 3D BluRay Standard ... and no player till now has it !!! There will be firmware-updates, yes ... but not all movies will be supported !!! And of course ... OneDay in the not so distant future... a new bluray disc format will come, to set the new bar for 3D BD !!!
As for now: we can only wait ... and after my call with the friend of mine ... 3D Vision will be able to play some 3D Movies - but needs good software-solution to handle with !!!
3D SoftWare Player which converts the 3D-BD-Standard ( 1080p/48hz - or 1080p/60hz) to the target on our monitors refreshrate (120hz) - and the dvi-dual-link must have the same possibility of sending bitrates and resolutions !!
So NVIDIA ... Give Your Best !!! Please don't tell us, we need a new revision to buy !!!
For now - target of 3D BD: players with HDMI 1.4 which are able to reproduce 1080p/60hz by bitrates between 35 and 70 !!!
3D BD through HDMI 1.3 (like PS3 and XBOX360 and older players!!!): only possible through a software integrated firmware update, that reduces the bitrate of the two seperate video-layers !!!
for both of them: HDCP !!! (integrated since HDMI 1.1)
Playing in S3D is possible through VGA, yes - because the picture is created in realtime and NOT HDCP protected !!!
But a videolayer from a bluray must be descripted from the tv, which is linked to the bd-player !! So VGA Beamers and Monitors will not be able to show upcoming HDCP-protected (3D) BD's ...
For Dual-DVI it's the same... Must have HDCP and be able of --- high refreshrate for shutterglasses (3D Vision) / new polarized monitors and passive glasses ---
For now - target of 3D BD: players with HDMI 1.4 which are able to reproduce 1080p/60hz by bitrates between 35 and 70 !!!
3D BD through HDMI 1.3 (like PS3 and XBOX360 and older players!!!): only possible through a software integrated firmware update, that reduces the bitrate of the two seperate video-layers !!!
for both of them: HDCP !!! (integrated since HDMI 1.1)
Playing in S3D is possible through VGA, yes - because the picture is created in realtime and NOT HDCP protected !!!
But a videolayer from a bluray must be descripted from the tv, which is linked to the bd-player !! So VGA Beamers and Monitors will not be able to show upcoming HDCP-protected (3D) BD's ...
For Dual-DVI it's the same... Must have HDCP and be able of --- high refreshrate for shutterglasses (3D Vision) / new polarized monitors and passive glasses ---
cant wait to see what happens
cant wait to see what happens
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EVGA gtx 470 SLI
windows vista 64 bit
8 gig Corsair Vengeance RAM
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?[/quote]
im not sure if more than 50 gigs are in the current blu ray standard but months ago companies were definitly talking about discs going up to 100 gigs in the not to distant future , hopefully since they new it was going to happen the transition will go smoothly
as far as players go , hopefully big media players will start adapting and creating 3d modes , 3d vlc player anyone?
then we just need a fully 3d ready operating system and browser :]
I was thinking lately about how movie compression works, simplified: it takes one frame of the movie and only considers the changes from this images for the following frames. This would make it very ineffective for side by side stereoscopic encoding, but if you interleave the the left right frames the compression would be a lot more effective, so I guess they will use this method. E specially for stereoscopic material designed codec could further reduce the space needed, but this would most likely again need new players.
What do you think?
im not sure if more than 50 gigs are in the current blu ray standard but months ago companies were definitly talking about discs going up to 100 gigs in the not to distant future , hopefully since they new it was going to happen the transition will go smoothly
as far as players go , hopefully big media players will start adapting and creating 3d modes , 3d vlc player anyone?
then we just need a fully 3d ready operating system and browser :]
intel i5 2500k @ 4.6 30C Stable
EVGA gtx 470 SLI
windows vista 64 bit
8 gig Corsair Vengeance RAM
Old does not mean slow.
Example :
GeForce 8800 gtx, 400 mhz bandwidth RAMDACs on VGA
*Paired with*
iiyama hm204dt monitor, which has a 390 mhz bandwidth receiver
DVI standard : 165 mhz
Dual link DVI : 330 mhz
It's those damn LCD monitors... Since they didn't "flash" like CRT's, people didn't feel the need to support high refresh rates.
Like as if 'eliminating monitor flashing' was the only reason to have higher refresh rates... sigh ::eyeroll::
-scheherazade
Old does not mean slow.
Example :
GeForce 8800 gtx, 400 mhz bandwidth RAMDACs on VGA
*Paired with*
iiyama hm204dt monitor, which has a 390 mhz bandwidth receiver
DVI standard : 165 mhz
Dual link DVI : 330 mhz
It's those damn LCD monitors... Since they didn't "flash" like CRT's, people didn't feel the need to support high refresh rates.
Like as if 'eliminating monitor flashing' was the only reason to have higher refresh rates... sigh ::eyeroll::
-scheherazade
Between this and word directly from the horse's mouth that Sony expects fully 30-50% of all TV sales to be "3d-ready" TVs by 2012 bodes very well for the future of stereoscopic media. :)
Between this and word directly from the horse's mouth that Sony expects fully 30-50% of all TV sales to be "3d-ready" TVs by 2012 bodes very well for the future of stereoscopic media. :)
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