I'm upgrading my rig from the h5360 to h9500bd. I have a 3d vision set up currently with gt430 card. First off, will this card work with 3dtv play? I don't see it on the list. And also, since I have 3d vision kit already, does that make eligible for the free download of 3dtv play?
I'm upgrading my rig from the h5360 to h9500bd. I have a 3d vision set up currently with gt430 card. First off, will this card work with 3dtv play? I don't see it on the list. And also, since I have 3d vision kit already, does that make eligible for the free download of 3dtv play?
[quote name='jimmy3d' date='28 December 2011 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1325078995' post='1348107']
I'm upgrading my rig from the h5360 to h9500bd. I have a 3d vision set up currently with gt430 card. First off, will this card work with 3dtv play? I don't see it on the list. And also, since I have 3d vision kit already, does that make eligible for the free download of 3dtv play?
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The Acer H9500BD is already supported by 3DTV Play. You don't have to download anything, if the 3D vision emitter and the projector (via HDMI or DVI) are connected to your PC, 3DTV Play modes are available automatically.
Not sure about the gt430, but you may need a stronger card nevertheless to have decent frame rates in 3D.
[quote name='jimmy3d' date='28 December 2011 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1325078995' post='1348107']
I'm upgrading my rig from the h5360 to h9500bd. I have a 3d vision set up currently with gt430 card. First off, will this card work with 3dtv play? I don't see it on the list. And also, since I have 3d vision kit already, does that make eligible for the free download of 3dtv play?
The Acer H9500BD is already supported by 3DTV Play. You don't have to download anything, if the 3D vision emitter and the projector (via HDMI or DVI) are connected to your PC, 3DTV Play modes are available automatically.
Not sure about the gt430, but you may need a stronger card nevertheless to have decent frame rates in 3D.
thanks for the replies!.. Nobsi is correct, when you plug in the emitter, 3dtv play is available in the setup screen. When you unplug it, the option goes away and the link to buy 3dtv play appears. 3dtv play appears to be the only option to watch 3d content with this pj. At least using the nVidia solution. I really don't game much except for a bit of MS flight sim, but I have to say 3d content at 1080p 24hz at 135" looks spectacular on this machine! I'm planning on setting up my h5360 in another room and using the emitter and 3d vision with that and will purchase 3dtv play to use with the 9500. Also, I did upgrade my video card to a GTX 550.
thanks for the replies!.. Nobsi is correct, when you plug in the emitter, 3dtv play is available in the setup screen. When you unplug it, the option goes away and the link to buy 3dtv play appears. 3dtv play appears to be the only option to watch 3d content with this pj. At least using the nVidia solution. I really don't game much except for a bit of MS flight sim, but I have to say 3d content at 1080p 24hz at 135" looks spectacular on this machine! I'm planning on setting up my h5360 in another room and using the emitter and 3d vision with that and will purchase 3dtv play to use with the 9500. Also, I did upgrade my video card to a GTX 550.
[quote name='jimmy3d' date='01 January 2012 - 10:57 AM' timestamp='1325440625' post='1350077']
thanks for the replies!.. Nobsi is correct, when you plug in the emitter, 3dtv play is available in the setup screen. When you unplug it, the option goes away and the link to buy 3dtv play appears. 3dtv play appears to be the only option to watch 3d content with this pj. At least using the nVidia solution. I really don't game much except for a bit of MS flight sim, but I have to say 3d content at 1080p 24hz at 135" looks spectacular on this machine! I'm planning on setting up my h5360 in another room and using the emitter and 3d vision with that and will purchase 3dtv play to use with the 9500. Also, I did upgrade my video card to a GTX 550.
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This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
[quote name='jimmy3d' date='01 January 2012 - 10:57 AM' timestamp='1325440625' post='1350077']
thanks for the replies!.. Nobsi is correct, when you plug in the emitter, 3dtv play is available in the setup screen. When you unplug it, the option goes away and the link to buy 3dtv play appears. 3dtv play appears to be the only option to watch 3d content with this pj. At least using the nVidia solution. I really don't game much except for a bit of MS flight sim, but I have to say 3d content at 1080p 24hz at 135" looks spectacular on this machine! I'm planning on setting up my h5360 in another room and using the emitter and 3d vision with that and will purchase 3dtv play to use with the 9500. Also, I did upgrade my video card to a GTX 550.
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
[quote name='roller11' date='01 January 2012 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1325445927' post='1350112']
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
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unfortunately the dvi is not dual link but single. Also the display is not listed as being 3D vision ready. Where would one find a monitor.inf file that could fix the bug in the driver?
[quote name='roller11' date='01 January 2012 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1325445927' post='1350112']
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
unfortunately the dvi is not dual link but single. Also the display is not listed as being 3D vision ready. Where would one find a monitor.inf file that could fix the bug in the driver?
[quote]This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming.[/quote]
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming.
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='02 January 2012 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1325537497' post='1350636']
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
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Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='02 January 2012 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1325537497' post='1350636']
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
[quote name='KlausFly' date='02 January 2012 - 08:58 PM' timestamp='1325537908' post='1350644']
Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Klaus
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At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
[quote name='KlausFly' date='02 January 2012 - 08:58 PM' timestamp='1325537908' post='1350644']
Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Klaus
At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='02 January 2012 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1325545157' post='1350703']
At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
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Many thanks!
You probably just saved me from wasting a lot of money and time and nevertheless ending up frustrated in the end.
I will stick with my setup.
Will be interesting to hear an official word from Acer about this, because it is a real shame.
The Projector looked so promising.
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='02 January 2012 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1325545157' post='1350703']
At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
Many thanks!
You probably just saved me from wasting a lot of money and time and nevertheless ending up frustrated in the end.
I will stick with my setup.
Will be interesting to hear an official word from Acer about this, because it is a real shame.
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='02 January 2012 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1325537497' post='1350636']
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.[/quote]
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='02 January 2012 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1325537497' post='1350636']
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
[quote name='roller11' date='02 January 2012 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1325546777' post='1350723']
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
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I wish this were the case. There is indeed a special Gaming mode but all it changes is some of the color setup, I've gone through literally every option available within the menu, including the hidden service menu and nothing has managed to sort it yet.
Having said that, there still hasn't been an official response from Acer, so there could be some extra hidden option that nobody knows about yet...
[quote name='roller11' date='02 January 2012 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1325546777' post='1350723']
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
I wish this were the case. There is indeed a special Gaming mode but all it changes is some of the color setup, I've gone through literally every option available within the menu, including the hidden service menu and nothing has managed to sort it yet.
Having said that, there still hasn't been an official response from Acer, so there could be some extra hidden option that nobody knows about yet...
[quote name='Nobsi' date='02 January 2012 - 08:31 AM' timestamp='1325507494' post='1350433']
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
Here is a video of an user showing the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3I7WhRMVro
[/quote]
I own the projector as well (I actually posted the vid on youtube to educate folks and hopefully Acer support). I sent it to Acer Tech Support today to have them fix this issue and am hopeful to see some positive results in a few weeks. My suggestion... Stay tuned to see if the issue can be fixed by firmware and/or if Acer will repair to restore marketed functionality. If it can be fixed then you will have the most feature rich 1080p 3D projector on the market at this price point. Other projectors in the market offer SBS support, utilize the same DLP chip, and don't have this issue so I would hang tight to see when they can iron out a few bugs. My first impressions even with limitations... I love this projector! 1080P24 3D BluRay is so awesome!!
It has 4 features no one else has at this price point that pushed me towards it.
1. Acumotion is an excellent feature and really smooths out the display of 24hz content.
2. Dynamic Black (Iris) really helps the contrast levels on DLP.
3. 2D-3D Conversion is actually quite impressive (never thought i would ever say that). It isn't perfect and will never be a real replacement for native stereo, but is convincing on existing 2D content.
4. Lens shift has been a godsend for me as my projector mount isn't the most stable and minute adjustments to a heavy projector would have proved difficult. Just a few twists on each knob and bingo! Tedious job made easy...
My fingers are crossed that Acer can iron out a few wrinkles on an otherwise awesome package and that Nvidia can add to that by releasing SBS support in 3DTV Play...
[quote name='Nobsi' date='02 January 2012 - 08:31 AM' timestamp='1325507494' post='1350433']
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
Here is a video of an user showing the problem:
I own the projector as well (I actually posted the vid on youtube to educate folks and hopefully Acer support). I sent it to Acer Tech Support today to have them fix this issue and am hopeful to see some positive results in a few weeks. My suggestion... Stay tuned to see if the issue can be fixed by firmware and/or if Acer will repair to restore marketed functionality. If it can be fixed then you will have the most feature rich 1080p 3D projector on the market at this price point. Other projectors in the market offer SBS support, utilize the same DLP chip, and don't have this issue so I would hang tight to see when they can iron out a few bugs. My first impressions even with limitations... I love this projector! 1080P24 3D BluRay is so awesome!!
It has 4 features no one else has at this price point that pushed me towards it.
1. Acumotion is an excellent feature and really smooths out the display of 24hz content.
2. Dynamic Black (Iris) really helps the contrast levels on DLP.
3. 2D-3D Conversion is actually quite impressive (never thought i would ever say that). It isn't perfect and will never be a real replacement for native stereo, but is convincing on existing 2D content.
4. Lens shift has been a godsend for me as my projector mount isn't the most stable and minute adjustments to a heavy projector would have proved difficult. Just a few twists on each knob and bingo! Tedious job made easy...
My fingers are crossed that Acer can iron out a few wrinkles on an otherwise awesome package and that Nvidia can add to that by releasing SBS support in 3DTV Play...
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='03 January 2012 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1325581705' post='1350897']
There is indeed a special Gaming mode[/quote]
I'm not talking about gaming mode, I'm talking about changing the HDMI1 to a mode that processes the pixels just like the VGA input processes pixels.
In 2007, I noticed how much better the graphics were when connecting with a analog VGA cable vs an HDMI connection. It was exactly as you describe. The VGA looked like a computer monitor, the HDMI1 looked like a news broadcast.
Changing modes may not be documented (it isn't on the samsung or LG) but I'll bet there is a way to do it. Did you try naming your HDMI1 input to some label with the word "PC" in it?
[quote name='slightlybrown' date='03 January 2012 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1325581705' post='1350897']
There is indeed a special Gaming mode
I'm not talking about gaming mode, I'm talking about changing the HDMI1 to a mode that processes the pixels just like the VGA input processes pixels.
In 2007, I noticed how much better the graphics were when connecting with a analog VGA cable vs an HDMI connection. It was exactly as you describe. The VGA looked like a computer monitor, the HDMI1 looked like a news broadcast.
Changing modes may not be documented (it isn't on the samsung or LG) but I'll bet there is a way to do it. Did you try naming your HDMI1 input to some label with the word "PC" in it?
I'm upgrading my rig from the h5360 to h9500bd. I have a 3d vision set up currently with gt430 card. First off, will this card work with 3dtv play? I don't see it on the list. And also, since I have 3d vision kit already, does that make eligible for the free download of 3dtv play?
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The Acer H9500BD is already supported by 3DTV Play. You don't have to download anything, if the 3D vision emitter and the projector (via HDMI or DVI) are connected to your PC, 3DTV Play modes are available automatically.
Not sure about the gt430, but you may need a stronger card nevertheless to have decent frame rates in 3D.
I'm upgrading my rig from the h5360 to h9500bd. I have a 3d vision set up currently with gt430 card. First off, will this card work with 3dtv play? I don't see it on the list. And also, since I have 3d vision kit already, does that make eligible for the free download of 3dtv play?
The Acer H9500BD is already supported by 3DTV Play. You don't have to download anything, if the 3D vision emitter and the projector (via HDMI or DVI) are connected to your PC, 3DTV Play modes are available automatically.
Not sure about the gt430, but you may need a stronger card nevertheless to have decent frame rates in 3D.
thanks for the replies!.. Nobsi is correct, when you plug in the emitter, 3dtv play is available in the setup screen. When you unplug it, the option goes away and the link to buy 3dtv play appears. 3dtv play appears to be the only option to watch 3d content with this pj. At least using the nVidia solution. I really don't game much except for a bit of MS flight sim, but I have to say 3d content at 1080p 24hz at 135" looks spectacular on this machine! I'm planning on setting up my h5360 in another room and using the emitter and 3d vision with that and will purchase 3dtv play to use with the 9500. Also, I did upgrade my video card to a GTX 550.
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This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
thanks for the replies!.. Nobsi is correct, when you plug in the emitter, 3dtv play is available in the setup screen. When you unplug it, the option goes away and the link to buy 3dtv play appears. 3dtv play appears to be the only option to watch 3d content with this pj. At least using the nVidia solution. I really don't game much except for a bit of MS flight sim, but I have to say 3d content at 1080p 24hz at 135" looks spectacular on this machine! I'm planning on setting up my h5360 in another room and using the emitter and 3d vision with that and will purchase 3dtv play to use with the 9500. Also, I did upgrade my video card to a GTX 550.
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
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unfortunately the dvi is not dual link but single. Also the display is not listed as being 3D vision ready. Where would one find a monitor.inf file that could fix the bug in the driver?
This projector has a DVI input, that's the one you must use to get native res 2x 1920x1080 /60 fps in 3D gaming. If you use the HDMI1.4 input, then you must change the monitor .inf file to fix a bug in all nvidia drivers as follows: When you connect a 3D Vision capable display using a 3D Vision emitter, of course you should access the 3DV set up wizard. A bug in the drivers causes the wrong 3D software to be chosen. That's why the drivers take you to 3DTV Play set up instead of 3D Vision.
In summary, either
1. use the DVI input (assuming it's dual link DVI),
2. use the correct monitor .inf file to fix the bug in the driver so you can access 3DV.
#1 is preferred. If you do neither, you'll be forced to 3D game in scaled low res 1280x720, and worse, framepacking mode via 3DTV Play.
unfortunately the dvi is not dual link but single. Also the display is not listed as being 3D vision ready. Where would one find a monitor.inf file that could fix the bug in the driver?
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
Here is a video of an user showing the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3I7WhRMVro
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
Here is a video of an user showing the problem:
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
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Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Klaus
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
When in 3D mode I get extremely bad lag, in the region of 350ms I believe. This isn't as bad in 2D, but it's still not great.
I came to this projector after owning the H5360, and that projector never had any of the above problems.
On the plus side, it has zero ghosting, like the H5360, and the DLP link glasses lose synch less often than the Nvidia ones.
Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Klaus
Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Klaus
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At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
Very interesting.
I am an owner of the H5360 and thinking about getting the H9500BD.
Are you watching 3d movies with PowerDVD over 3dtvplay?
Is the FullHD 3D a significant improvement over the 720p 3d provided by the H5360?
Are you regretting your purchase?
I assume you prefer playing PC games on the H5360 instead on the H9500BD?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Klaus
At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
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Many thanks!
You probably just saved me from wasting a lot of money and time and nevertheless ending up frustrated in the end.
I will stick with my setup.
Will be interesting to hear an official word from Acer about this, because it is a real shame.
The Projector looked so promising.
Cheers
Klaus
At the moment I'd recommend sticking with the H5360. I expect I'll send the H9500 back and go back to it myself. I'm just waiting to hear from Acer to see if it's a bug or a design 'feature'.
I am indeed using PowerDVD for blu ray, and the Nvidia player for SBS. I believe the full hd will be a massive improvement when they fix the sharpness problem, but at the moment it's underwhelming.
Gaming is rubbish on the H9500BD at the moment due to both the blur and lag, whereas on the H5360 I've always found it to be thoroughly enjoyable.
So my advice is stick with what you've got for the moment. Hopefully some HDMI1.4a projectors will appear in 2012 and we can get 1080p 3d gaming as it's supposed to be!
Many thanks!
You probably just saved me from wasting a lot of money and time and nevertheless ending up frustrated in the end.
I will stick with my setup.
Will be interesting to hear an official word from Acer about this, because it is a real shame.
The Projector looked so promising.
Cheers
Klaus
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.[/quote]
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
I also own this projector and can highlight a couple of other problems.
Using the HDMI/DVI connection the projector doesn't use 1 to 1 pixel mapping, there's some kind of image processing used that blurs everything. This makes desktop use very unpleasant, and everything looks upscaled when gaming.
This doesn't happen using the VGA connection, but then you can't use 3D.
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
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I wish this were the case. There is indeed a special Gaming mode but all it changes is some of the color setup, I've gone through literally every option available within the menu, including the hidden service menu and nothing has managed to sort it yet.
Having said that, there still hasn't been an official response from Acer, so there could be some extra hidden option that nobody knows about yet...
This is a sure sign you are in the wrong mode.
All TV makers are aware that there's a big difference between broadcast Video and PC Graphics. That's why they provide a special PC processing mode so that the TV can be used as a computer monitor. This optional pixel processing mode is disabled by default and is not documented so it needs a one time procedure to switch to PC processing mode. If you leave your TV in default Video mode, your TV will process your PC graphics as though it were a news broadcast.
With the Samsung and LG TVs, you must relabel your HDMI1/DVI input, that action switches the input to PC Graphics mode. This will fix the unpleasant look.
I wish this were the case. There is indeed a special Gaming mode but all it changes is some of the color setup, I've gone through literally every option available within the menu, including the hidden service menu and nothing has managed to sort it yet.
Having said that, there still hasn't been an official response from Acer, so there could be some extra hidden option that nobody knows about yet...
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
Here is a video of an user showing the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3I7WhRMVro
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I own the projector as well (I actually posted the vid on youtube to educate folks and hopefully Acer support). I sent it to Acer Tech Support today to have them fix this issue and am hopeful to see some positive results in a few weeks. My suggestion... Stay tuned to see if the issue can be fixed by firmware and/or if Acer will repair to restore marketed functionality. If it can be fixed then you will have the most feature rich 1080p 3D projector on the market at this price point. Other projectors in the market offer SBS support, utilize the same DLP chip, and don't have this issue so I would hang tight to see when they can iron out a few bugs. My first impressions even with limitations... I love this projector! 1080P24 3D BluRay is so awesome!!
It has 4 features no one else has at this price point that pushed me towards it.
1. Acumotion is an excellent feature and really smooths out the display of 24hz content.
2. Dynamic Black (Iris) really helps the contrast levels on DLP.
3. 2D-3D Conversion is actually quite impressive (never thought i would ever say that). It isn't perfect and will never be a real replacement for native stereo, but is convincing on existing 2D content.
4. Lens shift has been a godsend for me as my projector mount isn't the most stable and minute adjustments to a heavy projector would have proved difficult. Just a few twists on each knob and bingo! Tedious job made easy...
My fingers are crossed that Acer can iron out a few wrinkles on an otherwise awesome package and that Nvidia can add to that by releasing SBS support in 3DTV Play...
I own this projector, not for gaming but (3D) movie viewing. I did some initial testing with a PC though and can say that the DVI port acts exactly like the 2 HDMI ports. 1080p frame rate is limited to 60Hz (also according to the projector manual) and 3DTV Play steps in when the 3D Vision emitter is connected.
The projector does not support field sequential input, only HDMI 1.4 modes (frame packing and side-by-side). Thus it does NOT work with the nVidia glasses, but with DLP link glasses. The Acer ones are very good as are the True Depth 3D glasses.
Have to say though that the 3D picture quality is perfect with 0,0000% ghosting. I was speachless when I first saw it.
Unfortunately the projector has a tearing problem with progressive side-by-side input, regardless of resolution and frame rate (24,50,60Hz). This applies to game output of the TriDef or iZ3D drivers or many movies available on the net. I have it and many other users reported this problem too. ACER support seems do be unable to just understand the problem description.
Here is a video of an user showing the problem:
I own the projector as well (I actually posted the vid on youtube to educate folks and hopefully Acer support). I sent it to Acer Tech Support today to have them fix this issue and am hopeful to see some positive results in a few weeks. My suggestion... Stay tuned to see if the issue can be fixed by firmware and/or if Acer will repair to restore marketed functionality. If it can be fixed then you will have the most feature rich 1080p 3D projector on the market at this price point. Other projectors in the market offer SBS support, utilize the same DLP chip, and don't have this issue so I would hang tight to see when they can iron out a few bugs. My first impressions even with limitations... I love this projector! 1080P24 3D BluRay is so awesome!!
It has 4 features no one else has at this price point that pushed me towards it.
1. Acumotion is an excellent feature and really smooths out the display of 24hz content.
2. Dynamic Black (Iris) really helps the contrast levels on DLP.
3. 2D-3D Conversion is actually quite impressive (never thought i would ever say that). It isn't perfect and will never be a real replacement for native stereo, but is convincing on existing 2D content.
4. Lens shift has been a godsend for me as my projector mount isn't the most stable and minute adjustments to a heavy projector would have proved difficult. Just a few twists on each knob and bingo! Tedious job made easy...
My fingers are crossed that Acer can iron out a few wrinkles on an otherwise awesome package and that Nvidia can add to that by releasing SBS support in 3DTV Play...
There is indeed a special Gaming mode[/quote]
I'm not talking about gaming mode, I'm talking about changing the HDMI1 to a mode that processes the pixels just like the VGA input processes pixels.
In 2007, I noticed how much better the graphics were when connecting with a analog VGA cable vs an HDMI connection. It was exactly as you describe. The VGA looked like a computer monitor, the HDMI1 looked like a news broadcast.
Changing modes may not be documented (it isn't on the samsung or LG) but I'll bet there is a way to do it. Did you try naming your HDMI1 input to some label with the word "PC" in it?
There is indeed a special Gaming mode
I'm not talking about gaming mode, I'm talking about changing the HDMI1 to a mode that processes the pixels just like the VGA input processes pixels.
In 2007, I noticed how much better the graphics were when connecting with a analog VGA cable vs an HDMI connection. It was exactly as you describe. The VGA looked like a computer monitor, the HDMI1 looked like a news broadcast.
Changing modes may not be documented (it isn't on the samsung or LG) but I'll bet there is a way to do it. Did you try naming your HDMI1 input to some label with the word "PC" in it?