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3D-Bluray on passive 1080p TV is ugly interlaced picture !!! 3D-Bluray on my passive 4k Sony 65"X9005 is AMAZING and CLEAR BRILLIANT PICTURE!!!
3D-Bluray on passive 1080p TV is ugly interlaced picture !!!
3D-Bluray on my passive 4k Sony 65"X9005 is AMAZING and CLEAR BRILLIANT PICTURE!!!

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#46
Posted 01/27/2015 08:11 PM   
[quote="Xizer"][quote="Paul33993"][quote="innuendo1231b"]The best potential solution is a 4K passive 3D TV with aone or two gtx 980 cards with hdmi 2.0. With a modified version (for 3840x2160 native resolution) of the Acer EDID hack, it should work with 3D vision's line interleaved mode in 4k, resulting in 3840x1080 per eye @ 60hz. This is what inversted into, I just bought an LG 49ub850v, but I don't have the graphics card yet. When I anage to get the gtx 980 I will try to create that EDID, I may need some help though. I will dump the EDID from the TV with moninfo, then it has to be mixed with the Acer edid somehow... The resulting ini should contain all the timing information of my LG 4k TV with the name / id of the Acer monitor. That SHOULD do the trick for Nvidia's hidden interleaved mode.... If anyone is more of an expert at this, let me know so we can work together[/quote] Can't help you, but I'll certainly be following this. 4K passive 3D has gotten great reviews (all of the benefits of passive... without the major drawback that happens with 1080p sets). So if you can pull this off, it'd be the best solution for 3D gaming on a TV (assuming it's on a set that isn't too horrendous on the input lag front).[/quote] I figured as a 3D aficionado and a PC gamer that you should know by now that reviewers are always full of crap when it comes to things like this. Passive 3D is still garbage and any reviewer telling you otherwise is one of those blind idiots who talks about how great DVD upscaling and Netflix is and how awesome the latest console games look. NEVER BELIEVE THE LIES OF THE PASSIVE 3D PUSHERS. These people know nothing about visual fidelity. It is literally the blind leading the blind.[/quote] I would dispute this post. And the above post nails it pretty great. Passive 3D is superior. It doesn't have ghosting. It was derailed by shoddy implementation (the interlacing caused by the low resolution). Of course, you could say that about the whole 3D movement. In Sony's (and others) attempt to have a gimmick to sell tvs, they rushed 3D into the marketplace while it still sucked (in a smorgasbord of ways). This is why, now that we have 4K sets that could do really terrific 3D (passively), 3D is mostly abandoned. Which is a real shame.
Xizer said:
Paul33993 said:
innuendo1231b said:The best potential solution is a 4K passive 3D TV with aone or two gtx 980 cards with hdmi 2.0.
With a modified version (for 3840x2160 native resolution) of the Acer EDID hack, it should work with 3D vision's line interleaved mode in 4k, resulting in 3840x1080 per eye @ 60hz.

This is what inversted into, I just bought an LG 49ub850v, but I don't have the graphics card yet. When I anage to get the gtx 980 I will try to create that EDID, I may need some help though.

I will dump the EDID from the TV with moninfo, then it has to be mixed with the Acer edid somehow... The resulting ini should contain all the timing information of my LG 4k TV with the name / id of the Acer monitor. That SHOULD do the trick for Nvidia's hidden interleaved mode....

If anyone is more of an expert at this, let me know so we can work together


Can't help you, but I'll certainly be following this. 4K passive 3D has gotten great reviews (all of the benefits of passive... without the major drawback that happens with 1080p sets). So if you can pull this off, it'd be the best solution for 3D gaming on a TV (assuming it's on a set that isn't too horrendous on the input lag front).


I figured as a 3D aficionado and a PC gamer that you should know by now that reviewers are always full of crap when it comes to things like this.

Passive 3D is still garbage and any reviewer telling you otherwise is one of those blind idiots who talks about how great DVD upscaling and Netflix is and how awesome the latest console games look.

NEVER BELIEVE THE LIES OF THE PASSIVE 3D PUSHERS. These people know nothing about visual fidelity. It is literally the blind leading the blind.


I would dispute this post. And the above post nails it pretty great. Passive 3D is superior. It doesn't have ghosting. It was derailed by shoddy implementation (the interlacing caused by the low resolution). Of course, you could say that about the whole 3D movement. In Sony's (and others) attempt to have a gimmick to sell tvs, they rushed 3D into the marketplace while it still sucked (in a smorgasbord of ways). This is why, now that we have 4K sets that could do really terrific 3D (passively), 3D is mostly abandoned. Which is a real shame.

#47
Posted 01/27/2015 09:30 PM   
[quote="RS422"]3D-Bluray on passive 1080p TV is ugly interlaced picture !!! 3D-Bluray on my passive 4k Sony 65"X9005 is AMAZING and CLEAR BRILLIANT PICTURE!!! [/quote] Then you are not sitting close enough to your TV. You're not getting the full benefit of 4K resolution in 2D, either. The black interlaced lines should be visible on a 1080p and a 4K set if you are sitting at a proper viewing distance. If you're sitting a mile away from your TV then you don't even need a 4K TV.
RS422 said:3D-Bluray on passive 1080p TV is ugly interlaced picture !!!
3D-Bluray on my passive 4k Sony 65"X9005 is AMAZING and CLEAR BRILLIANT PICTURE!!!


Then you are not sitting close enough to your TV.

You're not getting the full benefit of 4K resolution in 2D, either.

The black interlaced lines should be visible on a 1080p and a 4K set if you are sitting at a proper viewing distance. If you're sitting a mile away from your TV then you don't even need a 4K TV.

#48
Posted 01/28/2015 12:27 AM   
In my experience with 3D so far I prefer the drawbacks of passive (interlacing, reduced resolution / viewing angle) over those of active (dimmed picture, eye strain, batteries). I'm glad we're able to choose our poison. At some point In the future glassless 3D will render this argument moot.
In my experience with 3D so far I prefer the drawbacks of passive (interlacing, reduced resolution / viewing angle) over those of active (dimmed picture, eye strain, batteries). I'm glad we're able to choose our poison. At some point In the future glassless 3D will render this argument moot.

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#49
Posted 01/28/2015 12:50 AM   
[quote="Xizer"][quote="RS422"]Then you are not sitting close enough to your TV. [/quote] I sit from 1,5 meter )))
Xizer said:
RS422 said:Then you are not sitting close enough to your TV.



I sit from 1,5 meter )))

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#50
Posted 01/28/2015 09:37 AM   
[quote="Xizer"] Then you are not sitting close enough to your TV. You're not getting the full benefit of 4K resolution in 2D, either. The black interlaced lines should be visible on a 1080p and a 4K set if you are sitting at a proper viewing distance. If you're sitting a mile away from your TV then you don't even need a 4K TV.[/quote] Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen. You don't get 4k, but you get full HD and that alone is step forward that many of us have been waiting for. I watch my 49" 4k passive from 1,7 meter and it has no ghosting. I would say that is just the distance where true 1080p per eye matters, but line interleaving of 4k is not noticable. It's good to have perfect perfect perscription in my glasses though. Perfet spherical doptiers + perfect cylindrical diopters + perfect cylinder axis = better than 20/20 vision.
Xizer said:
Then you are not sitting close enough to your TV.

You're not getting the full benefit of 4K resolution in 2D, either.

The black interlaced lines should be visible on a 1080p and a 4K set if you are sitting at a proper viewing distance. If you're sitting a mile away from your TV then you don't even need a 4K TV.


Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen. You don't get 4k, but you get full HD and that alone is step forward that many of us have been waiting for.
I watch my 49" 4k passive from 1,7 meter and it has no ghosting. I would say that is just the distance where true 1080p per eye matters, but line interleaving of 4k is not noticable. It's good to have perfect perfect perscription in my glasses though. Perfet spherical doptiers + perfect cylindrical diopters + perfect cylinder axis = better than 20/20 vision.

#51
Posted 01/28/2015 06:13 PM   
[quote="innuendo1231b"][quote="Xizer"] Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen.[/quote] Yes, BUT when we can play the games on Nvidia drivers at 1080p60 ?! .... Lazy Nvidia (((
innuendo1231b said:
Xizer said:

Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen.

Yes, BUT when we can play the games on Nvidia drivers at 1080p60 ?! .... Lazy Nvidia (((

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#52
Posted 01/28/2015 06:28 PM   
[quote="RS422"][quote="innuendo1231b"][quote="Xizer"] Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen.[/quote] Yes, BUT when we can play the games on Nvidia drivers at 1080p60 ?! .... Lazy Nvidia ((([/quote] +1
RS422 said:
innuendo1231b said:
Xizer said:

Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen.

Yes, BUT when we can play the games on Nvidia drivers at 1080p60 ?! .... Lazy Nvidia (((


+1

#53
Posted 01/28/2015 07:32 PM   
[quote="innuendo1231b"] Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen.[/quote] I have never seen a 4K passive FPR display showing 3D, so I wouldn't comment on the state of current TVs, but I do have a 1050p FPR monitor, and the lines are so visible that I have difficulty imagining them completely invisible just by doubling the resolution. Maybe the increased distance on TVs help do miracles that aren't possible with monitors. In the end, yes, it's still the only cheap off-the-shelf product that does it passively. But since I'm a dual-projector user, I have to remind everybody that FPR is not the only way. You could do 4K passive full resolution with two monitors in a mirror/planar setup. And if you can do it with monitors, you sure can do it with big TVs too.
innuendo1231b said:
Still, it's the ONLY way you can get at least 1080 lines of vertical resolution per eye @ 60hz in 3D on a large screen.

I have never seen a 4K passive FPR display showing 3D, so I wouldn't comment on the state of current TVs, but I do have a 1050p FPR monitor, and the lines are so visible that I have difficulty imagining them completely invisible just by doubling the resolution.
Maybe the increased distance on TVs help do miracles that aren't possible with monitors.

In the end, yes, it's still the only cheap off-the-shelf product that does it passively.

But since I'm a dual-projector user, I have to remind everybody that FPR is not the only way.
You could do 4K passive full resolution with two monitors in a mirror/planar setup.
And if you can do it with monitors, you sure can do it with big TVs too.

Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter

#54
Posted 01/29/2015 06:58 PM   
[quote="BlackSharkfr"] But since I'm a dual-projector user, I have to remind everybody that FPR is not the only way. You could do 4K passive full resolution with two monitors in a mirror/planar setup. And if you can do it with monitors, you sure can do it with big TVs too.[/quote] Yeah... what I wouldn't give for dual projector support by 3d vision... I know, tridef supports it, but tridef never looks or performs as good as 3d vision does with games. Pity, really. :\
BlackSharkfr said:
But since I'm a dual-projector user, I have to remind everybody that FPR is not the only way.
You could do 4K passive full resolution with two monitors in a mirror/planar setup.
And if you can do it with monitors, you sure can do it with big TVs too.

Yeah... what I wouldn't give for dual projector support by 3d vision... I know, tridef supports it, but tridef never looks or performs as good as 3d vision does with games. Pity, really. :\

#55
Posted 01/30/2015 12:05 AM   
[quote="innuendo1231b"][quote="BlackSharkfr"] But since I'm a dual-projector user, I have to remind everybody that FPR is not the only way. You could do 4K passive full resolution with two monitors in a mirror/planar setup. And if you can do it with monitors, you sure can do it with big TVs too.[/quote] Yeah... what I wouldn't give for dual projector support by 3d vision...[/quote] You'd need a DVI->dual-hdmi conversion box : [list] [.]VNS Geobox501 : 700$ + import fees from Taïwan (write an email directly to their sales representative, it isn't sold in online shops), requires EDID override, I have one for my AMD system, it works as advertised (except AMD's driver bugs) and I have read at least 2 people claiming it working with Nvidia 3D vision at 1080p120Hz.[/.] [.]Shanghai Mviewtech MA2P202 : 3000$ + import fees at alibaba, claims to be Nvidia 3D vision certified in the manual, I haven't read any feedback about this box.[/.] [/list] Don't thank me... now you have to buy a dual-projector system ;)
innuendo1231b said:
BlackSharkfr said:
But since I'm a dual-projector user, I have to remind everybody that FPR is not the only way.
You could do 4K passive full resolution with two monitors in a mirror/planar setup.
And if you can do it with monitors, you sure can do it with big TVs too.

Yeah... what I wouldn't give for dual projector support by 3d vision...

You'd need a DVI->dual-hdmi conversion box :
  • VNS Geobox501 : 700$ + import fees from Taïwan (write an email directly to their sales representative, it isn't sold in online shops), requires EDID override, I have one for my AMD system, it works as advertised (except AMD's driver bugs) and I have read at least 2 people claiming it working with Nvidia 3D vision at 1080p120Hz.

  • Shanghai Mviewtech MA2P202 : 3000$ + import fees at alibaba, claims to be Nvidia 3D vision certified in the manual, I haven't read any feedback about this box.


Don't thank me... now you have to buy a dual-projector system ;)

Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter

#56
Posted 01/30/2015 12:04 PM   
@BlackSharkfr Are you still using the LCD PJs with you silverscreen or have you gone to another setup. I recall you mentioning eye rivalry using the omega filters, but was the right/left extinction as good as the guy claims?
@BlackSharkfr

Are you still using the LCD PJs with you silverscreen or have you gone to another setup.

I recall you mentioning eye rivalry using the omega filters, but was the right/left extinction as good as the guy claims?

#57
Posted 01/30/2015 12:54 PM   
[quote="BlackSharkfr"] You'd need a DVI->dual-hdmi conversion box : [list] [.]VNS Geobox501 : 700$ + import fees from Taïwan (write an email directly to their sales representative, it isn't sold in online shops), requires EDID override, I have one for my AMD system, it works as advertised (except AMD's driver bugs) and I have read at least 2 people claiming it working with Nvidia 3D vision at 1080p120Hz.[/.] [.]Shanghai Mviewtech MA2P202 : 3000$ + import fees at alibaba, claims to be Nvidia 3D vision certified in the manual, I haven't read any feedback about this box.[/.] [/list] Don't thank me... now you have to buy a dual-projector system ;)[/quote] Oof... That's a little bit outside of the "civilian" price range... and that didn't include the silver screen.
BlackSharkfr said:
You'd need a DVI->dual-hdmi conversion box :
  • VNS Geobox501 : 700$ + import fees from Taïwan (write an email directly to their sales representative, it isn't sold in online shops), requires EDID override, I have one for my AMD system, it works as advertised (except AMD's driver bugs) and I have read at least 2 people claiming it working with Nvidia 3D vision at 1080p120Hz.

  • Shanghai Mviewtech MA2P202 : 3000$ + import fees at alibaba, claims to be Nvidia 3D vision certified in the manual, I haven't read any feedback about this box.


Don't thank me... now you have to buy a dual-projector system ;)


Oof... That's a little bit outside of the "civilian" price range... and that didn't include the silver screen.

#58
Posted 01/30/2015 03:54 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]Are you still using the LCD PJs with you silverscreen or have you gone to another setup. I recall you mentioning eye rivalry using the omega filters, but was the right/left extinction as good as the guy claims?[/quote] I still use the same projectors and the same silverscreen, I won't change as long as the light bulbs are still alive, even then I may be tempted to just get replacement bulbs rather than getting new projectors. I'll wait for adaptive sync projectors before considering buying new hardware. Omega extinction is nothing short of excellent, visually I see zero crosstalk. No matter where I stand, no matter if I turn my head, zero crosstalk visible. The only way I have found to produce crosstalk is to angle the lenses to an absurd degree, for example by pointing my head at one edge of the screen while looking in the corner of my eyes at the opposite edge. The eye rivalry I get is due to the colours not matching, Omega is designed for professional projector with Xenon lamps. When using consumer projectors with UHP lamps, the single chip DLP projectors provide better colours than 3-LCD projectors. But even then the results still vary greatly from one model to an other.
D-Man11 said:Are you still using the LCD PJs with you silverscreen or have you gone to another setup.

I recall you mentioning eye rivalry using the omega filters, but was the right/left extinction as good as the guy claims?

I still use the same projectors and the same silverscreen, I won't change as long as the light bulbs are still alive, even then I may be tempted to just get replacement bulbs rather than getting new projectors.
I'll wait for adaptive sync projectors before considering buying new hardware.

Omega extinction is nothing short of excellent, visually I see zero crosstalk. No matter where I stand, no matter if I turn my head, zero crosstalk visible.
The only way I have found to produce crosstalk is to angle the lenses to an absurd degree, for example by pointing my head at one edge of the screen while looking in the corner of my eyes at the opposite edge.
The eye rivalry I get is due to the colours not matching, Omega is designed for professional projector with Xenon lamps.
When using consumer projectors with UHP lamps, the single chip DLP projectors provide better colours than 3-LCD projectors. But even then the results still vary greatly from one model to an other.

Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter

#59
Posted 01/30/2015 04:48 PM   
Is the combined image color reproduction pretty good? It's too bad 2K and 4K PJs are pricey, Dual Passive would one again offer the best solution just as it had and still is the best for 1080P gaming. As long as you do not factor in the high dollar dual link dvi projectors. Interestingly, I've seen a few posts mentioning that Nvidia is allowing span again for dual displays. Isn't that how you do it on your Radeon, by using span?
Is the combined image color reproduction pretty good?

It's too bad 2K and 4K PJs are pricey, Dual Passive would one again offer the best solution just as it had and still is the best for 1080P gaming. As long as you do not factor in the high dollar dual link dvi projectors.

Interestingly, I've seen a few posts mentioning that Nvidia is allowing span again for dual displays. Isn't that how you do it on your Radeon, by using span?

#60
Posted 01/30/2015 08:18 PM   
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