3D Vision FPS Not much better with newer card??
Hey Guys, I am baffled with this.. Let me say first off here are my sys specs as I can not seem to change them in my Settings: 1. Intel i5 7600K @ 4.7GHZ 2. MSI Z270 SLI Motherboard. 3. Corsair Vengence 16GB 3000mhz 4. Asus 1080GTX 5. SoundBlaster Z Sound card.. 6. 2 Acer X1261P DLP 3D Vision certified DLP Projectors.. 2048 x 768 @ 120Hz.. Now the video card I had before was a eVGA 980GTX ACX 2.0.. same drivers 378.66 Now the performance in 3D is about dead on to what it was before.. Now I have the Power Managemnt mode set to Prefer maximum perfomance.. nothins else special here no AA or AF.. The games are still the same settings wise but especially DCS World the one mission when I am at a cold start in the plane and the FPS are the same as with the 980GTX.. I think in Elite Dangerous the FPS are about the same in the Space Station but mostly the same out in space.. But this is when 3D is ON. it appears the FPS are about the same with a friend of mine who has a intel 5820K Stock with a 980Ti KingPin.. Now we had two of the same games and set everything the same including Graphics as close as we could get.. the FPS he had better in ESO. WE had similar in DCS World but I still thought I would be way better FPS wise.. I am wondering if maybe the card is defective, how would I tell since I run games that are noit often used in Benchmarks and a Graphics setting nobody uses.. I use 2048 x 768 which is simmilar to 1920 x 1080 but maybe having 2 screens makes a difference in the wya it handles the FPS?? Should I try and run a benchmard like 3D mark and see how it compares from there to determine of the card is defective?? I mena it seems to work and all I guess from what I read My expectations where higher then the reality ?? ;)
Hey Guys,

I am baffled with this.. Let me say first off here are my sys specs as I can not seem to change them in my Settings:

1. Intel i5 7600K @ 4.7GHZ
2. MSI Z270 SLI Motherboard.
3. Corsair Vengence 16GB 3000mhz
4. Asus 1080GTX
5. SoundBlaster Z Sound card..
6. 2 Acer X1261P DLP 3D Vision certified DLP Projectors.. 2048 x 768 @ 120Hz..

Now the video card I had before was a eVGA 980GTX ACX 2.0.. same drivers 378.66

Now the performance in 3D is about dead on to what it was before.. Now I have the Power Managemnt mode set to Prefer maximum perfomance.. nothins else special here no AA or AF..

The games are still the same settings wise but especially DCS World the one mission when I am at a cold start in the plane and the FPS are the same as with the 980GTX..

I think in Elite Dangerous the FPS are about the same in the Space Station but mostly the same out in space..
But this is when 3D is ON. it appears the FPS are about the same with a friend of mine who has a intel 5820K Stock with a 980Ti KingPin..

Now we had two of the same games and set everything the same including Graphics as close as we could get.. the FPS he had better in ESO. WE had similar in DCS World but I still thought I would be way better FPS wise..

I am wondering if maybe the card is defective, how would I tell since I run games that are noit often used in Benchmarks and a Graphics setting nobody uses.. I use 2048 x 768 which is simmilar to 1920 x 1080 but maybe having 2 screens makes a difference in the wya it handles the FPS??

Should I try and run a benchmard like 3D mark and see how it compares from there to determine of the card is defective??

I mena it seems to work and all I guess from what I read My expectations where higher then the reality ?? ;)

Intel i5 7600K @ 4.8ghz / MSI Z270 SLI / Asus 1080GTX - 416.16 / Optoma HD142x Projector / 1 4'x10' Curved Screen PVC / TrackIR / HOTAS Cougar / Cougar MFD's / Track IR / NVidia 3D Vision / Win 10 64bit

#1
Posted 07/17/2017 06:48 AM   
Hi Yes, you should start from comparing popular benchmark results, just be sure to compare against similar CPU to your 7600K 4.7GHz. The resolution you use. Is it 2 monitors with 1024x768 or 2x 2048x768? If it's the first, then you run a very low resolution, which will cause the differences above gtx980 much smaller. And even if it's higher res and a new game - you still might be just getting into CPU-limited scenario. I'd downclock that 4.7GHz, along with RAM timings (set it to worse) and see how your fps looks like in the scene you mentioned. If it dropped almost proportionally, then you have your culprit. CPU. If you use two monitors, there might be something related to that, but I don't know anything about multi-monitor gaming, so I cannot help with this. The difference between 980ti and 1080 is tiny. I think different drivers might cause bigger gap than 980ti vs. 1080, especially at such a low res as you use. The most of the gap seen on benchmark and reviews, is the artificial gap Nvidia creates by not patching game's code "on the fly" for older cards, which is old tactic to push people towards buying new hardware. It's unlikely but possible, that 3D Vision, as ignored thing, might be resulting in unoptimized drivers for both new and old cards, practially disabling the artificial advantage the 1080 has in reviews/benchmarks. You could check older games to verify, but I am just writing this, cause it's possible, but as I said - unlikely (unlikely that 3D Vision changes so much, not the other thing, which is certain). One more thing. Use MSI Afterburner or something like that, to save GPU statistics to a file. Play a game for some time, and look at it. If your GPU temperature is much higher than it is a norm for the GPU (look for 1080 tests), then your card might have a problem and is downclocking so it can get cooler. My guess: 99% it's either CPU or your 2x 1024x768 res.
Hi

Yes, you should start from comparing popular benchmark results, just be sure to compare against similar CPU to your 7600K 4.7GHz.

The resolution you use. Is it 2 monitors with 1024x768 or 2x 2048x768? If it's the first, then you run a very low resolution, which will cause the differences above gtx980 much smaller.
And even if it's higher res and a new game - you still might be just getting into CPU-limited scenario.
I'd downclock that 4.7GHz, along with RAM timings (set it to worse) and see how your fps looks like in the scene you mentioned. If it dropped almost proportionally, then you have your culprit. CPU.

If you use two monitors, there might be something related to that, but I don't know anything about multi-monitor gaming, so I cannot help with this.


The difference between 980ti and 1080 is tiny. I think different drivers might cause bigger gap than 980ti vs. 1080, especially at such a low res as you use.
The most of the gap seen on benchmark and reviews, is the artificial gap Nvidia creates by not patching game's code "on the fly" for older cards, which is old tactic to push people towards buying new hardware. It's unlikely but possible, that 3D Vision, as ignored thing, might be resulting in unoptimized drivers for both new and old cards, practially disabling the artificial advantage the 1080 has in reviews/benchmarks.
You could check older games to verify, but I am just writing this, cause it's possible, but as I said - unlikely (unlikely that 3D Vision changes so much, not the other thing, which is certain).


One more thing. Use MSI Afterburner or something like that, to save GPU statistics to a file. Play a game for some time, and look at it. If your GPU temperature is much higher than it is a norm for the GPU (look for 1080 tests), then your card might have a problem and is downclocking so it can get cooler.

My guess: 99% it's either CPU or your 2x 1024x768 res.

#2
Posted 07/17/2017 10:49 AM   
The Combined Resolution is 2048 x 768.. I ran the Fire Benchmark and scored where I should be so I guess it works as it should just hte performance for game when using 3D vision is really bad.. I had 1 game where it was a 50% decrease in FPS vs the 2D world..
The Combined Resolution is 2048 x 768.. I ran the Fire Benchmark and scored where I should be so I guess it works as it should just hte performance for game when using 3D vision is really bad.. I had 1 game where it was a 50% decrease in FPS vs the 2D world..

Intel i5 7600K @ 4.8ghz / MSI Z270 SLI / Asus 1080GTX - 416.16 / Optoma HD142x Projector / 1 4'x10' Curved Screen PVC / TrackIR / HOTAS Cougar / Cougar MFD's / Track IR / NVidia 3D Vision / Win 10 64bit

#3
Posted 07/17/2017 12:07 PM   
Well I just ran Elite Dangerous in the Starport bottom level. the CPU Usage was around 45-55% whilst the GPU Usage was at 100%.. Now I read that if that happens the GPU is the Bottleneck, how can that be on a 1080GTX?? I am trying to figure this out but it makes no sense.. I was going to try some other games but they are in maintenece and Arma 3 refused to launch I need to reinstall that as a repair did not fix it..
Well I just ran Elite Dangerous in the Starport bottom level. the CPU Usage was around 45-55% whilst the GPU Usage was at 100%..

Now I read that if that happens the GPU is the Bottleneck, how can that be on a 1080GTX?? I am trying to figure this out but it makes no sense..

I was going to try some other games but they are in maintenece and Arma 3 refused to launch I need to reinstall that as a repair did not fix it..

Intel i5 7600K @ 4.8ghz / MSI Z270 SLI / Asus 1080GTX - 416.16 / Optoma HD142x Projector / 1 4'x10' Curved Screen PVC / TrackIR / HOTAS Cougar / Cougar MFD's / Track IR / NVidia 3D Vision / Win 10 64bit

#4
Posted 07/17/2017 12:46 PM   
With 2048 x 768 you are almost sure limited by the CPU. You only get 40-50% CPU Usage is because of the CPU 3Dvision bottleneck that we talked about in other threads and/or poor game optimisations
With 2048 x 768 you are almost sure limited by the CPU.
You only get 40-50% CPU Usage is because of the CPU 3Dvision bottleneck that we talked about in other threads and/or poor game optimisations

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#5
Posted 07/17/2017 02:09 PM   
Did you reinstall the driver using DDU? Whenever you change hardware, the drivers [i]must[/i] be updated. It might run, but might also do something weird. They can't be trusted. After a driver install, test your setup using a benchmark like 3D Mark, and/or Heaven. You want to see what you get, then compare to other people with like hardware. That's easy to do with 3D Mark. The reason to do this is to give you confidence that it's performing properly, that your results are similar to other sytems. If it's different, then you should check for thermal throttling, or other problems.
Did you reinstall the driver using DDU? Whenever you change hardware, the drivers must be updated. It might run, but might also do something weird. They can't be trusted.


After a driver install, test your setup using a benchmark like 3D Mark, and/or Heaven. You want to see what you get, then compare to other people with like hardware. That's easy to do with 3D Mark. The reason to do this is to give you confidence that it's performing properly, that your results are similar to other sytems. If it's different, then you should check for thermal throttling, or other problems.

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#6
Posted 07/17/2017 11:55 PM   
Yes I reinstalled the driver and I just installed the latest driver and I always use DDU.. I guess I was expecting these great FPS in 3D they are a bit better but not as good as I had thought they would be.. I did run 3D Mark and tested where I should be so all is well.. 3D is really choking the life out of gaming in a way considering the FPS drop when it is on..
Yes I reinstalled the driver and I just installed the latest driver and I always use DDU.. I guess I was expecting these great FPS in 3D they are a bit better but not as good as I had thought they would be..

I did run 3D Mark and tested where I should be so all is well.. 3D is really choking the life out of gaming in a way considering the FPS drop when it is on..

Intel i5 7600K @ 4.8ghz / MSI Z270 SLI / Asus 1080GTX - 416.16 / Optoma HD142x Projector / 1 4'x10' Curved Screen PVC / TrackIR / HOTAS Cougar / Cougar MFD's / Track IR / NVidia 3D Vision / Win 10 64bit

#7
Posted 07/18/2017 01:51 AM   
My impression is the 1080GTX made a big difference w/ 4K (i.e. larger resolutions) but didn't put out the expected equivalent with lower resolutions
My impression is the 1080GTX made a big difference w/ 4K (i.e. larger resolutions) but didn't put out the expected equivalent with lower resolutions

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#8
Posted 07/18/2017 02:13 AM   
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