3D Vision vs Tridef, what's your experience?
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I find tridef produces a better 3D effect than 3D vision in most cases. The advantage that 3D vision has, from my experience, is that you take less of a performance hit when running in 3D mode. Right now I'm playing Dead Space 3 and Sonic A.S. Racing Transformed. Both games run smoothly with 3D vision, just as smooth as 2D but the frame rate drops using Tridef (if not in Power 3D mode). With Tridef I have no issue with shadows, flares, and less crosstalk. It seems there is no complete victory to be had with 3D unless I drop another 680 my rig and SLI. In the end, I use both programs but would love it if 3D vision could produce the same effects as Tridef. From what I read, Nvidia isn't supporting 3D vision much these days. Hopefully they can pull it together. What 3D option do you use? I have yet to experiment with iZ3D, is that any good? P.S. Just in case anyone is unaware..... To get checkerboard 3D in Tridef, you need to choose Samsung/Samsung PDP from the Display options.
I find tridef produces a better 3D effect than 3D vision in most cases. The advantage that 3D vision has, from my experience, is that you take less of a performance hit when running in 3D mode. Right now I'm playing Dead Space 3 and Sonic A.S. Racing Transformed. Both games run smoothly with 3D vision, just as smooth as 2D but the frame rate drops using Tridef (if not in Power 3D mode). With Tridef I have no issue with shadows, flares, and less crosstalk. It seems there is no complete victory to be had with 3D unless I drop another 680 my rig and SLI.

In the end, I use both programs but would love it if 3D vision could produce the same effects as Tridef. From what I read, Nvidia isn't supporting 3D vision much these days. Hopefully they can pull it together. What 3D option do you use? I have yet to experiment with iZ3D, is that any good?


P.S. Just in case anyone is unaware..... To get checkerboard 3D in Tridef, you need to choose Samsung/Samsung PDP from the Display options.

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#1
Posted 02/11/2013 09:20 PM   
JFYI, Tridef does not support SLI.
JFYI, Tridef does not support SLI.

#2
Posted 02/11/2013 09:27 PM   
I hate tridef, its fiddly, most of the profiles I tried flatly refused to work, and the performance hit is huge. I only used it successfully with Rift, but playing at 30 FPS or less just isn't fun.
I hate tridef, its fiddly, most of the profiles I tried flatly refused to work, and the performance hit is huge.

I only used it successfully with Rift, but playing at 30 FPS or less just isn't fun.

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#3
Posted 02/11/2013 10:30 PM   
No SLI? Then I guess my other option is to sell my 680 and upgrade to 690. Yeah, performance hit is a big factor for tridef. I wonder if ATI cards take as big of a hit as Nvidia since there is an AMD option built into tridef.
No SLI? Then I guess my other option is to sell my 680 and upgrade to 690. Yeah, performance hit is a big factor for tridef. I wonder if ATI cards take as big of a hit as Nvidia since there is an AMD option built into tridef.

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#4
Posted 02/11/2013 11:29 PM   
no i find out SLI doesnt work with TriDef... man this 3d thing is just one big huge technical mess
no i find out SLI doesnt work with TriDef... man this 3d thing is just one big huge technical mess

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#5
Posted 02/12/2013 12:36 AM   
You do know that a 690 uses SLI. You already have the fastest single chip card. You will have to wait until nvidia releases the next gen Graphics card to see any improvement. I have no crystal ball but should not be later than early 2015.
You do know that a 690 uses SLI. You already have the fastest single chip card.

You will have to wait until nvidia releases the next gen Graphics card to see any improvement.

I have no crystal ball but should not be later than early 2015.

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#6
Posted 02/12/2013 02:22 AM   
betc, I feel your pain. I got a Samsung 55es7500 3DTV and a Playstation 3D display monitor in early December and just now feel like I am getting a handle on things. Learning to accept crosstalk at certain depths, finding a sweet spot for convergence, weighing convergence vs depth, such a process. I really excpeted 3D gaming to just work, was I ever wrong. I love 3D gaming now that the initial trials are over but it still isn't what I expected.
betc, I feel your pain. I got a Samsung 55es7500 3DTV and a Playstation 3D display monitor in early December and just now feel like I am getting a handle on things. Learning to accept crosstalk at certain depths, finding a sweet spot for convergence, weighing convergence vs depth, such a process. I really excpeted 3D gaming to just work, was I ever wrong. I love 3D gaming now that the initial trials are over but it still isn't what I expected.

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#7
Posted 02/12/2013 02:31 AM   
Did you have unreasonably high expectations? Have you for some reason spent a lot of time trying to get something that doesn't work to work?
Did you have unreasonably high expectations?

Have you for some reason spent a lot of time trying to get something that doesn't work to work?

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#8
Posted 02/12/2013 02:38 AM   
Going in to the whole 3D thing, my expectations were pretty high. I had never seen 3D anywhere but the theater and on Best Buy displays. 3D movies have lived up to my expectations but I had no idea that gaming in 3D was so involved (crosstalk reduction, helix mods, scavenging for 3D profiles). My favorite surprise being that you had to buy extra software to even play in 3D, even on 3D ready games! Buying software to convert any game to 3D is one thing, but buying it to play games made for 3D is another. They wouldn't get away with that on PS3 or 360.
Going in to the whole 3D thing, my expectations were pretty high. I had never seen 3D anywhere but the theater and on Best Buy displays. 3D movies have lived up to my expectations but I had no idea that gaming in 3D was so involved (crosstalk reduction, helix mods, scavenging for 3D profiles). My favorite surprise being that you had to buy extra software to even play in 3D, even on 3D ready games! Buying software to convert any game to 3D is one thing, but buying it to play games made for 3D is another. They wouldn't get away with that on PS3 or 360.

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#9
Posted 02/12/2013 03:13 AM   
Are you implying that just because Nvidia's 3D driver is software it should be free. None of these games have developed a 3D driver to support 3D. Console gaming is a completely different story as the games you buy subsidise the OS completely and makes the hardware much cheaper than manufacturing cost. 3D Gaming on PC can be dirt simple but the amount of games supported is obviously very limited similar to the situation with 3D Movies and console games. The ability to reprogram a game yourself using helixmod should not be seen as complicationg things as all games changed by helixmod are not really in the supported category of games. As soon as you leave the playground of well working games you pretty much end up in the wild west. Getting a game that doesn't work to work will Always be frustrating to some extent especially if you start modifying shaders yourself etc. In my oppinion 3D Vision is much better at advertising the games that work great while going to tridef homepage they emphasis supports 730 games. I clearly don't Believe them as most are bound to not work perfectly.
Are you implying that just because Nvidia's 3D driver is software it should be free.

None of these games have developed a 3D driver to support 3D.

Console gaming is a completely different story as the games you buy subsidise the OS completely and makes the hardware much cheaper than manufacturing cost.

3D Gaming on PC can be dirt simple but the amount of games supported is obviously very limited similar to the situation with 3D Movies and console games.

The ability to reprogram a game yourself using helixmod should not be seen as complicationg things as all games changed by helixmod are not really in the supported category of games.

As soon as you leave the playground of well working games you pretty much end up in the wild west.
Getting a game that doesn't work to work will Always be frustrating to some extent especially if you start modifying shaders yourself etc.

In my oppinion 3D Vision is much better at advertising the games that work great while going to tridef homepage they emphasis supports 730 games. I clearly don't Believe them as most are bound to not work perfectly.

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#10
Posted 02/12/2013 04:09 AM   
it actually makes the new rumored nvidia Titan card a good option. its single, hopefully cheaper than a 690 and about the same speed
it actually makes the new rumored nvidia Titan card a good option.

its single, hopefully cheaper than a 690 and about the same speed

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#11
Posted 02/12/2013 04:16 AM   
To post on topic I have no reason to like tridef. Even though I have done 4 trials by now I have never gotten it to work at all. Using it together with 3D Vision is not supported and either crashes or never works. Using it over HDMI is impossible according to tridef support personel. side-by-side is not an option as that feature does not work unless I have a rare copy of the ASUS VG278H with updated firmware which I don't. I'm not buying it to use it with cheap anaglyph glasses. Because it doesn't work on either of my 3D Systems I can't recommend it. Other than that as I have never used tridef because it has Always failed I am in no position to compare them. It's like buying a single motherboard and then attempting to compare intel and amd. It's not possible to draw any conclusions.
To post on topic I have no reason to like tridef.

Even though I have done 4 trials by now I have never gotten it to work at all.

Using it together with 3D Vision is not supported and either crashes or never works.

Using it over HDMI is impossible according to tridef support personel.

side-by-side is not an option as that feature does not work unless I have a rare copy of the ASUS VG278H with updated firmware which I don't. I'm not buying it to use it with cheap anaglyph glasses.

Because it doesn't work on either of my 3D Systems I can't recommend it.
Other than that as I have never used tridef because it has Always failed I am in no position to compare them.

It's like buying a single motherboard and then attempting to compare intel and amd. It's not possible to draw any conclusions.

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#12
Posted 02/12/2013 04:38 AM   
[quote="CeeJayII"]I find tridef produces a better 3D effect than 3D vision in most cases. [/quote] Follow this intructions and you will revert your statement. In NV control Panel: 1) Increase depth to 100% 2) Enable Shortcut Key in advance option 3) Play any game and increase convergence (press and hold CTRL+F6) until your happy. Save convergence with CTRL+F7. Nvidia default for depth is 15% (VERY LOW) and game convergence default its normally LOW, so you basically gets a 2.1D (crappy 3D effect)....its a MUST to increase depth + convergence. I have both software and 3DVision/3DTV Play is superior to Tridef. Tridef have Power3D (+1), have a lot of configurations (+1 or -1 depending on the user), but still 3DVision/3DTV Play have a way better sense of depth.
CeeJayII said:I find tridef produces a better 3D effect than 3D vision in most cases.

Follow this intructions and you will revert your statement. In NV control Panel:
1) Increase depth to 100%
2) Enable Shortcut Key in advance option
3) Play any game and increase convergence (press and hold CTRL+F6) until your happy. Save convergence with CTRL+F7.

Nvidia default for depth is 15% (VERY LOW) and game convergence default its normally LOW, so you basically gets a 2.1D (crappy 3D effect)....its a MUST to increase depth + convergence.

I have both software and 3DVision/3DTV Play is superior to Tridef. Tridef have Power3D (+1), have a lot of configurations (+1 or -1 depending on the user), but still 3DVision/3DTV Play have a way better sense of depth.

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#13
Posted 02/12/2013 11:33 AM   
I think that with Tridef you could not play 1080p@60Hz.
I think that with Tridef you could not play 1080p@60Hz.

#14
Posted 02/13/2013 10:28 AM   
[quote="DHR"][quote="CeeJayII"]I find tridef produces a better 3D effect than 3D vision in most cases. [/quote] Follow this intructions and you will revert your statement. In NV control Panel: 1) Increase depth to 100% 2) Enable Shortcut Key in advance option 3) Play any game and increase convergence (press and hold CTRL+F6) until your happy. Save convergence with CTRL+F7. Nvidia default for depth is 15% (VERY LOW) and game convergence default its normally LOW, so you basically gets a 2.1D (crappy 3D effect)....its a MUST to increase depth + convergence. I have both software and 3DVision/3DTV Play is superior to Tridef. Tridef have Power3D (+1), have a lot of configurations (+1 or -1 depending on the user), but still 3DVision/3DTV Play have a way better sense of depth.[/quote] This man speaks the truth, I have never seen Tridef make any game work except Rift and Prototype 2, and even then the framerates tanked to almost unplayable rates (peeked at 35), and it only looked "as good as" nvidia 3D vision. Tridef is terrible software.
DHR said:
CeeJayII said:I find tridef produces a better 3D effect than 3D vision in most cases.

Follow this intructions and you will revert your statement. In NV control Panel:
1) Increase depth to 100%
2) Enable Shortcut Key in advance option
3) Play any game and increase convergence (press and hold CTRL+F6) until your happy. Save convergence with CTRL+F7.

Nvidia default for depth is 15% (VERY LOW) and game convergence default its normally LOW, so you basically gets a 2.1D (crappy 3D effect)....its a MUST to increase depth + convergence.

I have both software and 3DVision/3DTV Play is superior to Tridef. Tridef have Power3D (+1), have a lot of configurations (+1 or -1 depending on the user), but still 3DVision/3DTV Play have a way better sense of depth.


This man speaks the truth, I have never seen Tridef make any game work except Rift and Prototype 2, and even then the framerates tanked to almost unplayable rates (peeked at 35), and it only looked "as good as" nvidia 3D vision.

Tridef is terrible software.

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#15
Posted 02/13/2013 05:07 PM   
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