Locking in/Overwriting 1920x1080 @ 24 Hz to for 3D TV Play
Hey guys, I'm just trying out 3D gaming via my HDTV + 660 GTX Ti and some games look amazing. The trouble I'm having is that even if I set my desktop to 1080p/24Hz, the games I play try to switch to the highest Hz supported by the TV (which seems to be 60Hz even though my TV supports 240Hz). Due to this, when I switch to a resolution of 720p in-game, the 3D kicks it as it should, but to play at 1080p I have to exit my game and manually set the framerate.
Any advice would be helpful, as I'd like to keep my games at their default settings for when I decide to go back to 2D gaming (right now said desktop is either working in headless-mode or as a 3D gaming PC so I don't mine locking it to 1080p/24Hz). Also I'm using Steam Big Picture to launch titles. I doubt there are any special flags I could use there but just wanted to relay that information. Thanks!
Hey guys, I'm just trying out 3D gaming via my HDTV + 660 GTX Ti and some games look amazing. The trouble I'm having is that even if I set my desktop to 1080p/24Hz, the games I play try to switch to the highest Hz supported by the TV (which seems to be 60Hz even though my TV supports 240Hz). Due to this, when I switch to a resolution of 720p in-game, the 3D kicks it as it should, but to play at 1080p I have to exit my game and manually set the framerate.
Any advice would be helpful, as I'd like to keep my games at their default settings for when I decide to go back to 2D gaming (right now said desktop is either working in headless-mode or as a 3D gaming PC so I don't mine locking it to 1080p/24Hz). Also I'm using Steam Big Picture to launch titles. I doubt there are any special flags I could use there but just wanted to relay that information. Thanks!
could it be that some games override the desktop resolution/refresh rate? i know when i was playing around with 24hz i had to force the refresh rate in game ini files to make it stick.
what TV, brand, model? you may be able to play 60hz checkerboard or 60hz framesequential (both far superior to 720p and 1080p 24hz)
could it be that some games override the desktop resolution/refresh rate? i know when i was playing around with 24hz i had to force the refresh rate in game ini files to make it stick.
what TV, brand, model? you may be able to play 60hz checkerboard or 60hz framesequential (both far superior to 720p and 1080p 24hz)
I have a similar set up as you and I have been using this freeware utility for setting up and overriding refresh rates. I cannot speak for the Big Picture within Steam since I don't use this. Try Refreshlock which you can get here.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/refreshlock.html
Hope this is useful to you...
Cheers
I have a similar set up as you and I have been using this freeware utility for setting up and overriding refresh rates. I cannot speak for the Big Picture within Steam since I don't use this. Try Refreshlock which you can get here.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/refreshlock.html
Thank you both for your advice (Styker - I will def. be checking out RefreshLock as the name alone seems to be spot on). betc, indeed the games are overriding the settings, however some (most?) games don't allow you to pick a refresh rate, just resolution. My TV shares a lot of similarities to yours (well, except for size =p) and I've been looking at different methods of playing in 3D (I noticed that the TV offers even more options when 3D mode is enabled and is outputting from my PC; from memory 6 or 7 options are shown compared to the normal 3 options). My specs are not as glamorous as yours but here they are...
46" Samsung UN46F7500
i7 3770S (I wanted more power but needed VT-d and VT-x support)
Asus P8Z77-V Pro
EVGA Geforce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
Windows 7 Pro
I'd love to push the 3D picture even more (while movies can be hit or miss, when a game is configured correctly, it is a thing of beauty). I know there is untapped bandwidth in the HDMI cable, but I don't know if the encoding/decoding chipsets will allow me to step it up (this may be available for everyone but just FYI, checkerboard is available from the drop-down list in the nVidia stereoscopic control panel). I'm also not afraid to hack away at .inf files or whatever it takes =).
Thank you both for your advice (Styker - I will def. be checking out RefreshLock as the name alone seems to be spot on). betc, indeed the games are overriding the settings, however some (most?) games don't allow you to pick a refresh rate, just resolution. My TV shares a lot of similarities to yours (well, except for size =p) and I've been looking at different methods of playing in 3D (I noticed that the TV offers even more options when 3D mode is enabled and is outputting from my PC; from memory 6 or 7 options are shown compared to the normal 3 options). My specs are not as glamorous as yours but here they are...
46" Samsung UN46F7500
i7 3770S (I wanted more power but needed VT-d and VT-x support)
Asus P8Z77-V Pro
EVGA Geforce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
Windows 7 Pro
I'd love to push the 3D picture even more (while movies can be hit or miss, when a game is configured correctly, it is a thing of beauty). I know there is untapped bandwidth in the HDMI cable, but I don't know if the encoding/decoding chipsets will allow me to step it up (this may be available for everyone but just FYI, checkerboard is available from the drop-down list in the nVidia stereoscopic control panel). I'm also not afraid to hack away at .inf files or whatever it takes =).
@DBG for completeness...
1. TV. plug HDMI cable into HDMI port 1 on the TV (has to be in this port)
2. TV. on the TV, press source > tools (to change input label), switch to label PC. has to be set to PC
3. PC. Install 3dtv play from nvidia, restart (i think there is a trial?)
4. PC. you should see in the nvidia 3D settings a mode called Checkerboard, select this, screen blinks
5. PC. make sure your desktop is running at 60hz, 1080p
6. PC. make sure the game is running using desktop settings (ie 60hz, 1080p)
7. PC. when you start the game it should show a checkerboard picture, like a minature chess board pattern
8. TV. press the 3D button on remote, move to the 2nd most right setting (checkerboard) easily identifiable on screen when the picture suddenly smooths and has two slighty overlapping images.
9. TV. put glasses on, press on button and play on!
> As always with nvidia 3D settings you should enable advanced controls and note down the depth change keys and the convergence keys (very important!).
> Remember that Ctrl + T toggles 3D mode on and off, very useful if menus suck.
> depth should always be pre-set in nvidia 3d settings to at least 75%
> once in game you should always try to adjust the convergence until it makes everything look nice and deep and aligned.
> start out with an easy 3D game like Trine 2 (trial) or Witcher 2, this lets you see what things should really look like. lots of depth (and convergence)
> depth and convergence are very personal, as is the distance you sit from the TV. personally i max em and sit about 1-1.5ms from the screen. dont freak out when your eyes appear to strain from convergence and depth changing, they adjust very fast
1. TV. plug HDMI cable into HDMI port 1 on the TV (has to be in this port)
2. TV. on the TV, press source > tools (to change input label), switch to label PC. has to be set to PC
3. PC. Install 3dtv play from nvidia, restart (i think there is a trial?)
4. PC. you should see in the nvidia 3D settings a mode called Checkerboard, select this, screen blinks
5. PC. make sure your desktop is running at 60hz, 1080p
6. PC. make sure the game is running using desktop settings (ie 60hz, 1080p)
7. PC. when you start the game it should show a checkerboard picture, like a minature chess board pattern
8. TV. press the 3D button on remote, move to the 2nd most right setting (checkerboard) easily identifiable on screen when the picture suddenly smooths and has two slighty overlapping images.
9. TV. put glasses on, press on button and play on!
> As always with nvidia 3D settings you should enable advanced controls and note down the depth change keys and the convergence keys (very important!).
> Remember that Ctrl + T toggles 3D mode on and off, very useful if menus suck.
> depth should always be pre-set in nvidia 3d settings to at least 75%
> once in game you should always try to adjust the convergence until it makes everything look nice and deep and aligned.
> start out with an easy 3D game like Trine 2 (trial) or Witcher 2, this lets you see what things should really look like. lots of depth (and convergence)
> depth and convergence are very personal, as is the distance you sit from the TV. personally i max em and sit about 1-1.5ms from the screen. dont freak out when your eyes appear to strain from convergence and depth changing, they adjust very fast
Awesome information m8, thanks (I know Trine and Trine 2 - own both - are suppose to have really awesome native support for all types of 3D modes so I think I will use the latest as my setup app). Thanks for the tip of setting input to HDMI 1 (STB is currently in that spot but I remember my old Toshiba being fussy about HDMI 1 too). Until HDMI 2.0 becomes the norm this seems like the best solution. Grazie =).
Edit: You seem to be almost single-handily helping users get the best possible experience in the 3D Vision section betc (I haven't wandered much outside of this sub-form). If nVidia reps see this maybe you could swap their 680s cards for 780s (680s still sell well as refurbished =).
Awesome information m8, thanks (I know Trine and Trine 2 - own both - are suppose to have really awesome native support for all types of 3D modes so I think I will use the latest as my setup app). Thanks for the tip of setting input to HDMI 1 (STB is currently in that spot but I remember my old Toshiba being fussy about HDMI 1 too). Until HDMI 2.0 becomes the norm this seems like the best solution. Grazie =).
Edit: You seem to be almost single-handily helping users get the best possible experience in the 3D Vision section betc (I haven't wandered much outside of this sub-form). If nVidia reps see this maybe you could swap their 680s cards for 780s (680s still sell well as refurbished =).
Any advice would be helpful, as I'd like to keep my games at their default settings for when I decide to go back to 2D gaming (right now said desktop is either working in headless-mode or as a 3D gaming PC so I don't mine locking it to 1080p/24Hz). Also I'm using Steam Big Picture to launch titles. I doubt there are any special flags I could use there but just wanted to relay that information. Thanks!
what TV, brand, model? you may be able to play 60hz checkerboard or 60hz framesequential (both far superior to 720p and 1080p 24hz)
65" Samsung ES8000 LED, i7-3820, Asus P9X79, GTX680 SLI, Win8 Checkerboard /Win7 Frame Sequential
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/refreshlock.html
Hope this is useful to you...
Cheers
46" Samsung UN46F7500
i7 3770S (I wanted more power but needed VT-d and VT-x support)
Asus P8Z77-V Pro
EVGA Geforce GTX 660 Ti 2GB
Windows 7 Pro
I'd love to push the 3D picture even more (while movies can be hit or miss, when a game is configured correctly, it is a thing of beauty). I know there is untapped bandwidth in the HDMI cable, but I don't know if the encoding/decoding chipsets will allow me to step it up (this may be available for everyone but just FYI, checkerboard is available from the drop-down list in the nVidia stereoscopic control panel). I'm also not afraid to hack away at .inf files or whatever it takes =).
1. TV. plug HDMI cable into HDMI port 1 on the TV (has to be in this port)
2. TV. on the TV, press source > tools (to change input label), switch to label PC. has to be set to PC
3. PC. Install 3dtv play from nvidia, restart (i think there is a trial?)
4. PC. you should see in the nvidia 3D settings a mode called Checkerboard, select this, screen blinks
5. PC. make sure your desktop is running at 60hz, 1080p
6. PC. make sure the game is running using desktop settings (ie 60hz, 1080p)
7. PC. when you start the game it should show a checkerboard picture, like a minature chess board pattern
8. TV. press the 3D button on remote, move to the 2nd most right setting (checkerboard) easily identifiable on screen when the picture suddenly smooths and has two slighty overlapping images.
9. TV. put glasses on, press on button and play on!
> As always with nvidia 3D settings you should enable advanced controls and note down the depth change keys and the convergence keys (very important!).
> Remember that Ctrl + T toggles 3D mode on and off, very useful if menus suck.
> depth should always be pre-set in nvidia 3d settings to at least 75%
> once in game you should always try to adjust the convergence until it makes everything look nice and deep and aligned.
> start out with an easy 3D game like Trine 2 (trial) or Witcher 2, this lets you see what things should really look like. lots of depth (and convergence)
> depth and convergence are very personal, as is the distance you sit from the TV. personally i max em and sit about 1-1.5ms from the screen. dont freak out when your eyes appear to strain from convergence and depth changing, they adjust very fast
65" Samsung ES8000 LED, i7-3820, Asus P9X79, GTX680 SLI, Win8 Checkerboard /Win7 Frame Sequential
Edit: You seem to be almost single-handily helping users get the best possible experience in the 3D Vision section betc (I haven't wandered much outside of this sub-form). If nVidia reps see this maybe you could swap their 680s cards for 780s (680s still sell well as refurbished =).
65" Samsung ES8000 LED, i7-3820, Asus P9X79, GTX680 SLI, Win8 Checkerboard /Win7 Frame Sequential