3D Vision CPU Bottelneck: Gathering Information thread.
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Helifax was one of my heroes even before he become know on these forums as he was a pioneer on the Wide Screen Gaing fourms forums for creating awesome fix's for surround gaming. Thanks Helifax! If you are really done ala Helix, then Adios, and thanks for the good times!
Helifax was one of my heroes even before he become know on these forums as he was a pioneer on the Wide Screen Gaing fourms forums for creating awesome fix's for surround gaming.

Thanks Helifax! If you are really done ala Helix, then Adios, and thanks for the good times!

#61
Posted 09/22/2016 07:16 AM   
This is a typical case of "friendly fire". Helifax and RAGEdemon, please consider having a meeting in front of a couple of beers in order to resolve the tactical differences! The fight against the cyclop forces is tough enough already. Any misunderstanding between allies will just weaken the two-eyed army. Please, don't let innocent civilians be victims. :)
This is a typical case of "friendly fire".

Helifax and RAGEdemon, please consider having a meeting in front of a couple of beers in order to resolve the tactical differences!

The fight against the cyclop forces is tough enough already. Any misunderstanding between allies will just weaken the two-eyed army.

Please, don't let innocent civilians be victims. :)

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#62
Posted 09/22/2016 09:11 AM   
Ragedemon can you please knock it off with the cocky arrogant "I know what's best because I know it all" crap???? I've learned not to take your criticism personally but you do come off as a judgmental know it all prick at times. Then again I know you are passionate about what you do...so I take it with a grain of salt
Ragedemon can you please knock it off with the cocky arrogant "I know what's best because I know it all" crap????
I've learned not to take your criticism personally but you do come off as a judgmental know it all prick at times.
Then again I know you are passionate about what you do...so I take it with a grain of salt

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#63
Posted 09/22/2016 11:39 AM   
@Helifax Thank you for the fixies and enjoyment your provide me over the years. When running these benchmarks later to present to NVidia at a later time. Would it better to just include 3D Vision Approved titles ?
@Helifax

Thank you for the fixies and enjoyment your provide me over the years.

When running these benchmarks later to present to NVidia at a later time. Would it better to just include 3D Vision Approved titles ?

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#64
Posted 09/22/2016 02:15 PM   
[quote="zig11727"]@Helifax Thank you for the fixies and enjoyment your provide me over the years. When running these benchmarks later to present to NVidia at a later time. Would it better to just include 3D Vision Approved titles ? [/quote] You can always show 3D Vision Ready titles. That would make things less problematic. But in the same time, you can show it in any game that runs 3D Vision and we have a fix for;) Just show it WITHOUT the fix in place. Otherwise it is easy to "blame" the fix;) You can clearly say that "we have a 3D Vision fix" for it but the game behaves poor without the fix being applied and the problem is the actual game running through 3D Vision and that you believe is a problem in the 3D Driver;) This way they will look into it and test it;) @RAGEdemon: I am sorry, that I called you a dick. It wasn't a literal thing. I really and sincerely apologise it you took it personal. (We we that word at work (between us) every time one of us fucks something up or we just get "pissy" on anyone). So, it said in this "sort of environment". I keep on forgetting, on the internet all the tiny "flavours" of the language and expressions are lost as the text is just that... PLAIN TEXT :( I know you are part of MTBS, I actually thought you were one of the founders;) It seems I wasn't far off;) We should definitely meet up at some point and grab a couple of beers and then we can talk "bollocks" about any hardware and software;) I would really like that;) (The offer is also open to anyone from the community who wants to meet:) ). @All: I am really sorry guys. You know, at the University one of the most awesome lecturers I've ever met, said one thing: "Don't get attached to your work !". I always fail to do that. Because I put in a lot of time and passion, I always get attached to it, no matter how hard I try not to:( I tried in the past to release fixes without offering any support.... that lasted around 1-2 days at max. It was always a "poor soul" that came and had troubles. I don't blame them, I know things can be very very frustrating at times and that non everyone is a software/hardware/PC engineer/technician or has the knowledge. In the end, I always tried to help them out getting it to run. I can't just simply ignore when somebody asks for help, especially if I know I wrote that piece of software or I know how to help him. I'll see in the future what method I'll try to help people out;) and how I will release anything new:) I think I need to get a more detached and un-emotional that is all:) (Which is pretty hard as I am a very passionate person in all I do ^_^ - Sometimes even too much.)
zig11727 said:@Helifax

Thank you for the fixies and enjoyment your provide me over the years.

When running these benchmarks later to present to NVidia at a later time. Would it better to just include 3D Vision Approved titles ?



You can always show 3D Vision Ready titles. That would make things less problematic.
But in the same time, you can show it in any game that runs 3D Vision and we have a fix for;)
Just show it WITHOUT the fix in place. Otherwise it is easy to "blame" the fix;)
You can clearly say that "we have a 3D Vision fix" for it but the game behaves poor without the fix being applied and the problem is the actual game running through 3D Vision and that you believe is a problem in the 3D Driver;)
This way they will look into it and test it;)

@RAGEdemon:
I am sorry, that I called you a dick. It wasn't a literal thing. I really and sincerely apologise it you took it personal. (We we that word at work (between us) every time one of us fucks something up or we just get "pissy" on anyone). So, it said in this "sort of environment". I keep on forgetting, on the internet all the tiny "flavours" of the language and expressions are lost as the text is just that... PLAIN TEXT :(

I know you are part of MTBS, I actually thought you were one of the founders;) It seems I wasn't far off;)
We should definitely meet up at some point and grab a couple of beers and then we can talk "bollocks" about any hardware and software;) I would really like that;) (The offer is also open to anyone from the community who wants to meet:) ).

@All:
I am really sorry guys. You know, at the University one of the most awesome lecturers I've ever met, said one thing: "Don't get attached to your work !". I always fail to do that. Because I put in a lot of time and passion, I always get attached to it, no matter how hard I try not to:(
I tried in the past to release fixes without offering any support.... that lasted around 1-2 days at max. It was always a "poor soul" that came and had troubles. I don't blame them, I know things can be very very frustrating at times and that non everyone is a software/hardware/PC engineer/technician or has the knowledge. In the end, I always tried to help them out getting it to run. I can't just simply ignore when somebody asks for help, especially if I know I wrote that piece of software or I know how to help him.

I'll see in the future what method I'll try to help people out;) and how I will release anything new:)
I think I need to get a more detached and un-emotional that is all:) (Which is pretty hard as I am a very passionate person in all I do ^_^ - Sometimes even too much.)

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3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
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Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


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#65
Posted 09/22/2016 02:45 PM   
Not sure how much will help you people but I found this while googling for something totally un-related: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/957752/geforce-drivers/gtx-1070-gpu-usage-issue-/ I remembered this problem. Maybe there is correlation between the the two?
Not sure how much will help you people but I found this while googling for something totally un-related:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/957752/geforce-drivers/gtx-1070-gpu-usage-issue-/


I remembered this problem. Maybe there is correlation between the the two?

1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc


My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com

(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)

#66
Posted 09/22/2016 06:30 PM   
Well this morning my PC updated to the Win 10 Anniversary update. After what I had been hearing about 3d vision and this update I was very wary that things were going to go from bad to worse. Anyway I updated my drivers also the the latest 372.90 that were released yesterday. I went and tried a few games like Deus Ex:MD and performance did not seem any better or worse. However, I just loaded up Arkham Origins and my stutter with 3dVision enabled appears to be gone. While gliding my CPU/GPU usage stays above 60% and my FPS never drops below 40-50fps. I don't have the time right now, but I am going to test all my other games that were stuttering to see if they are now working with proper GPU/CPU usage now. Not sure if it was the Windows Update or the driver update that fixed it. Again I am going to more in depth tests later to make sure I am not jumping the gun on it being fixed for me. Just wanted to pass it along.
Well this morning my PC updated to the Win 10 Anniversary update. After what I had been hearing about 3d vision and this update I was very wary that things were going to go from bad to worse.

Anyway I updated my drivers also the the latest 372.90 that were released yesterday. I went and tried a few games like Deus Ex:MD and performance did not seem any better or worse. However, I just loaded up Arkham Origins and my stutter with 3dVision enabled appears to be gone. While gliding my CPU/GPU usage stays above 60% and my FPS never drops below 40-50fps.

I don't have the time right now, but I am going to test all my other games that were stuttering to see if they are now working with proper GPU/CPU usage now. Not sure if it was the Windows Update or the driver update that fixed it.

Again I am going to more in depth tests later to make sure I am not jumping the gun on it being fixed for me. Just wanted to pass it along.

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

#67
Posted 09/23/2016 12:03 AM   
After further testing I can say that all my hard stutter issues in the games I reported are now fixed. All the games that stuttered before with low GPU usage now show high and constant GPU usage with 3dvision enabled and active. Arkham Origins - fixed Mirrors Edge Catalyst - fixed Watch Dogs - fixed Far Cry 3 - fixed I am really at a loss to know why. Here is what changed. My PC upgraded to Win 10 Anniversary from Win 10 (major OS changes), I turned off the Xbox DVR from regedit, and I upgraded my Nvidia drivers from 372.70 to 372.90. That is all I changed. Not sure which one of those fixed my stuttering/GPU usage, and I am afraid to downgrade drivers to compare as I do not want to ruin what is now working. Also, what should I tell Nvidia on my open ticket. They are planning to test in more detail Arkham Origins, but now it does not stutter on my system. Should I let them continue? I still have some other games with 3dvision performance issues (not stutter) where certain areas of the games show much less than 50% the fps of 2d mode. However that might be a game engine issue and not a 3dvision issue.
After further testing I can say that all my hard stutter issues in the games I reported are now fixed. All the games that stuttered before with low GPU usage now show high and constant GPU usage with 3dvision enabled and active.

Arkham Origins - fixed
Mirrors Edge Catalyst - fixed
Watch Dogs - fixed
Far Cry 3 - fixed

I am really at a loss to know why. Here is what changed. My PC upgraded to Win 10 Anniversary from Win 10 (major OS changes), I turned off the Xbox DVR from regedit, and I upgraded my Nvidia drivers from 372.70 to 372.90. That is all I changed. Not sure which one of those fixed my stuttering/GPU usage, and I am afraid to downgrade drivers to compare as I do not want to ruin what is now working.

Also, what should I tell Nvidia on my open ticket. They are planning to test in more detail Arkham Origins, but now it does not stutter on my system. Should I let them continue?

I still have some other games with 3dvision performance issues (not stutter) where certain areas of the games show much less than 50% the fps of 2d mode. However that might be a game engine issue and not a 3dvision issue.

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

#68
Posted 09/23/2016 03:48 AM   
Xbox DVR from regedit Ya I did this and I am running old Windows 10. This may be it. Any one want to reinstall Xbox DVR for fun and happy times? To test?
Xbox DVR from regedit Ya I did this and I am running old Windows 10. This may be it.

Any one want to reinstall Xbox DVR for fun and happy times? To test?

#69
Posted 09/23/2016 04:03 AM   
Great! Perhaps they were aware of the bug and fixed it in a later driver release, who knows. I would tell them exactly what changed. Perhaps they will be able to help some other poor sods. I've submitted my report to tier 2 support for investigation. Let's see what they make if it, if anything...
Great! Perhaps they were aware of the bug and fixed it in a later driver release, who knows. I would tell them exactly what changed. Perhaps they will be able to help some other poor sods.

I've submitted my report to tier 2 support for investigation. Let's see what they make if it, if anything...

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#70
Posted 09/23/2016 04:04 AM   
I will update my ticket with Nvidia. I am frankly shocked at how well games are running now. Even the new Deus Ex, which in 3d while running showed around 55% GPU, usage now seems to keep a near constant 90+% usage and I get no stutter at all.
I will update my ticket with Nvidia. I am frankly shocked at how well games are running now. Even the new Deus Ex, which in 3d while running showed around 55% GPU, usage now seems to keep a near constant 90+% usage and I get no stutter at all.

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Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

#71
Posted 09/23/2016 04:49 AM   
So the new driver definetly improved situation with stuttering in 3dvision - I just upgraded to 372.90 and with Titan XP/6700k, in RoTR with Helifax' patch I no longer see hard stuttering. Yes FPS still drops to 32 at some places (with gpu usage 50% and cpu 40-50%), but it's no longer stuttering when turning around and is way better than with previous driver. So it seems this stuttering thing was different issue than low fps in 3d vision and luckily its fixed.
So the new driver definetly improved situation with stuttering in 3dvision - I just upgraded to 372.90 and with Titan XP/6700k, in RoTR with Helifax' patch I no longer see hard stuttering. Yes FPS still drops to 32 at some places (with gpu usage 50% and cpu 40-50%), but it's no longer stuttering when turning around and is way better than with previous driver. So it seems this stuttering thing was different issue than low fps in 3d vision and luckily its fixed.

#72
Posted 09/23/2016 10:13 AM   
New driver is definitely a major improvement(2600k,gtx1080, win10anni). Im currently playing fallout 4 which was stuttering all the time, now no stutters at all. Still get fps drops and the game is very cpu heavy but i cant believe how much it improved. Playing alien isolation too which ran fine before but i did get little stuttering between zones which i thought were normal "loading new assets" stuttering. New driver fixed that too and now alien runs perfectly.
New driver is definitely a major improvement(2600k,gtx1080, win10anni). Im currently playing fallout 4 which was stuttering all the time, now no stutters at all. Still get fps drops and the game is very cpu heavy but i cant believe how much it improved.

Playing alien isolation too which ran fine before but i did get little stuttering between zones which i thought were normal "loading new assets" stuttering. New driver fixed that too and now alien runs perfectly.

#73
Posted 09/23/2016 04:59 PM   
Here are some comparissons between the old drivers and the new drivers. AMD FX-8350 GTX 1060 6GB - [color="green"]370.90[/color] Windows 10 x64 Anniversary Game: Batman: [color="green"]Arkham Origins (DX11) 3D Vision Ready[/color] - while gliding 3D Vision disabled in Control panel 31% CPU usage 28% GPU usage 74 FPS 3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled ON: 30% CPU usage 23% GPU usage 56 FPS 3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled OFF: 30% CPU usage 28% GPU usage 70 FPS Summary: 3dvison Disabled 2D Performance 100% 3dvision Enabled 2D Performance (70fps / 74fps) x 100 = 95% 3dvision Enabled 3D Performance (56fps / 74fps) x 100 = 76% 100-95 = [color="green"]5% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver[/color] 100-76 = [color="green"]24% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver with 3D enabled in game[/color] [quote="terintamel"]I recommend also adding Processor, Card, Driver, Game DX version, and OS. Also test with 3dvision driver disabled in Control Panel. AMD FX-8350 GTX 1060 6GB - 370.72 Windows 10 x64 Game: Batman: [color="green"]Arkham Origins (DX11) 3D Vision Ready[/color] - while gliding 3D Vision disabled in Control panel 33% CPU usage 30% GPU usage 74 FPS 3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled ON: 25% CPU usage 12% GPU usage 22 FPS 3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled OFF: 24% CPU usage 10% GPU usage 40 FPS Summary: 3dvison Disabled 2D Performance 100% 3dvision Enabled 2D Performance (40fps / 74fps) x 100 = 54% 3dvision Enabled 3D Performance (22fps / 74fps) x 100 = 29.7% 100-54 = [color="green"]46% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver[/color] 100-29.7 = [color="green"]70.3% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver with 3D enabled in game[/color] [/quote]
Here are some comparissons between the old drivers and the new drivers.
AMD FX-8350
GTX 1060 6GB - 370.90

Windows 10 x64 Anniversary

Game: Batman: Arkham Origins (DX11) 3D Vision Ready - while gliding
3D Vision disabled in Control panel
31% CPU usage
28% GPU usage
74 FPS

3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled ON:
30% CPU usage
23% GPU usage
56 FPS

3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled OFF:
30% CPU usage
28% GPU usage
70 FPS


Summary:
3dvison Disabled 2D Performance 100%
3dvision Enabled 2D Performance (70fps / 74fps) x 100 = 95%
3dvision Enabled 3D Performance (56fps / 74fps) x 100 = 76%

100-95 = 5% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver
100-76 = 24% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver with 3D enabled in game


terintamel said:I recommend also adding Processor, Card, Driver, Game DX version, and OS. Also test with 3dvision driver disabled in Control Panel.

AMD FX-8350
GTX 1060 6GB - 370.72
Windows 10 x64

Game: Batman: Arkham Origins (DX11) 3D Vision Ready - while gliding
3D Vision disabled in Control panel
33% CPU usage
30% GPU usage
74 FPS

3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled ON:
25% CPU usage
12% GPU usage
22 FPS

3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled OFF:
24% CPU usage
10% GPU usage
40 FPS


Summary:
3dvison Disabled 2D Performance 100%
3dvision Enabled 2D Performance (40fps / 74fps) x 100 = 54%
3dvision Enabled 3D Performance (22fps / 74fps) x 100 = 29.7%

100-54 = 46% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver
100-29.7 = 70.3% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver with 3D enabled in game

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

#74
Posted 09/23/2016 09:52 PM   
AMD FX-8350 GTX 1060 6GB - [color="green"]370.90[/color] Windows 10 x64 Anniversary Game: [color="green"]Far Cry 3 (DX11) CM Mode[/color] - while running in jungle 3D Vision disabled in Control panel 52% CPU usage 70% GPU usage 75 FPS 3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled ON: 41% CPU usage 75% GPU usage 59 FPS 3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled OFF: 43% CPU usage 75% GPU usage 70 FPS Summary: 3dvison Disabled 2D Performance 100% 3dvision Enabled 2D Performance (70fps / 75fps) x 100 = 93% 3dvision Enabled 3D Performance (59fps / 75fps) x 100 = 78% 100-93 = [color="green"]7% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver[/color] 100-78 = [color="green"]22% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver with 3D enabled in game[/color]
AMD FX-8350
GTX 1060 6GB - 370.90

Windows 10 x64 Anniversary

Game: Far Cry 3 (DX11) CM Mode - while running in jungle
3D Vision disabled in Control panel
52% CPU usage
70% GPU usage
75 FPS

3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled ON:
41% CPU usage
75% GPU usage
59 FPS

3D Vision enabled in Control Panel - 3D Toggeled OFF:
43% CPU usage
75% GPU usage
70 FPS


Summary:
3dvison Disabled 2D Performance 100%
3dvision Enabled 2D Performance (70fps / 75fps) x 100 = 93%
3dvision Enabled 3D Performance (59fps / 75fps) x 100 = 78%

100-93 = 7% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver
100-78 = 22% performance drop caused by 3D Vision driver with 3D enabled in game

AMD FX-8350 4GHz
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0
G-Skill PC3-10700- 16GB
Gigabyte Windforce GTX 1060 OC 6GB - 417.01
Creative Soundblaster Z
ViewSonic VX2268WM Black 22" 1680x1050 5ms 120Hz 3Dvision
Windows 10 x64 1709

#75
Posted 09/23/2016 10:00 PM   
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