PG278QR for 1070gtx enough?
I've been using an Asus VG278H for the last 5 years which I love but it'd be good to get rid of the ghosting and improve the refresh rate for 2D FPS, so I'm looking at the PG278QR. However I've got a 1070gtx and play in 1080p but still get frame drops in Rise of the TR (40 outdoors but solid 60fps indoors). The PG278QR is 1440p so I'm guessing my performance would be worse and I may need to use 1080p but would it look worse than it does on my current native 1080p VG278H? Is it still worth upgrading if I end up playing most games in 1080p? I mostly play in 3D so I'm thinking it'd be wise to stick to my VG278H until I upgrade to a 1080gtx.
I've been using an Asus VG278H for the last 5 years which I love but it'd be good to get rid of the ghosting and improve the refresh rate for 2D FPS, so I'm looking at the PG278QR.
However

I've got a 1070gtx and play in 1080p but still get frame drops in Rise of the TR (40 outdoors but solid 60fps indoors). The PG278QR is 1440p so I'm guessing my performance would be worse and I may need to use 1080p but would it look worse than it does on my current native 1080p VG278H? Is it still worth upgrading if I end up playing most games in 1080p? I mostly play in 3D so I'm thinking it'd be wise to stick to my VG278H until I upgrade to a 1080gtx.

#1
Posted 07/23/2018 09:41 PM   
Unfortunately I was only happy with performance for 1440p in 3D when I went up to 1080ti SLI, and although it gets things back up to 60fps for the most part with most games on max detail when they don't support SLI very well you get issues. For 2D I would say one 1080ti is enough, You probably can get away with a 1070. But yes be careful. I actually regretted going up to 1440p over 1080p until I got 1080ti SLI. Yeah the resolution jump is nice, as is 4k but it's not as good or impressive as great performance in 3dvision so that is my priority.
Unfortunately I was only happy with performance for 1440p in 3D when I went up to 1080ti SLI, and although it gets things back up to 60fps for the most part with most games on max detail when they don't support SLI very well you get issues.

For 2D I would say one 1080ti is enough, You probably can get away with a 1070.

But yes be careful. I actually regretted going up to 1440p over 1080p until I got 1080ti SLI. Yeah the resolution jump is nice, as is 4k but it's not as good or impressive as great performance in 3dvision so that is my priority.

i7-4790K CPU 4.8Ghz stable overclock.
16 GB RAM Corsair
EVGA 1080TI SLI
Samsung SSD 840Pro
ASUS Z97-WS
3D Surround ASUS Rog Swift PG278Q(R), 2x PG278Q (yes it works)
Obutto R3volution.
Windows 10 pro 64x (Windows 7 Dual boot)

#2
Posted 07/24/2018 03:02 AM   
That's disappointing but not surprising. Does it still look good downscaled to 1080p though? Because some games like Rise of TR will probably be played in 1080p but I also play some older games that would run fine in 1440p so I'm thinking it's worth the upgrade to remove the ghosting unless the 1080p looks worse downscaled, I don't want to compromise 1080p.
That's disappointing but not surprising. Does it still look good downscaled to 1080p though? Because some games like Rise of TR will probably be played in 1080p but I also play some older games that would run fine in 1440p so I'm thinking it's worth the upgrade to remove the ghosting unless the 1080p looks worse downscaled, I don't want to compromise 1080p.

#3
Posted 07/24/2018 03:49 AM   
Is 1080ti SLI necessary for 1440p? I was thinking of upgrading to a standard 1080 for 1440p 3D, if that's still not enough I might have to leave it.
Is 1080ti SLI necessary for 1440p? I was thinking of upgrading to a standard 1080 for 1440p 3D, if that's still not enough I might have to leave it.

#4
Posted 07/24/2018 08:46 AM   
We can allways use that little extra that we don't have, but IMO a single 1080TI is sufficient for 1440p in most games ! My eyes hurt when I don't get that wonderfull picture = 1440p 3D Vision, so I never downscale even when I possibly should do it :) So my advice is - go for it, but also by a 1080 TI, nothing less !
We can allways use that little extra that we don't have, but IMO a single 1080TI is sufficient for 1440p in most games !

My eyes hurt when I don't get that wonderfull picture = 1440p 3D Vision, so I never downscale even when I possibly should do it :)

So my advice is - go for it, but also by a 1080 TI, nothing less !

Win7 64bit Pro
CPU: 4790K 4.8 GHZ
GPU: Aurus 1080 TI 2.08 GHZ - 100% Watercooled !
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
And lots of ram and HD's ;)

#5
Posted 07/24/2018 07:40 PM   
What frame rates do you get on your ti? I think I can only afford a standard 1080. If you're not able to get solid frame rates on your ti then I think a standard 1080 might struggle in 1440p 3D :(
What frame rates do you get on your ti? I think I can only afford a standard 1080. If you're not able to get solid frame rates on your ti then I think a standard 1080 might struggle in 1440p 3D :(

#6
Posted 07/24/2018 11:31 PM   
Yes although SLI is ideal I do agree with Blacksmith you should be happy enough with one 1080ti in 3d. Some poorly optimized games or some without any SLI support you may have to make compromises at 1440p. But I never choose to downscale to a lower resolution on these monitors, it just looks nasty and blurry defeating the purpose of going to 1440p in the first place. A native 1080p screen looks better if you are having to do that. I would rather run 1080p with max graphics detail. I used to use a 1080 on this rig actually. I wouldn't have even considered going up to 1440p on one of those cards for 3D. It also kind of depends on what kinda games you play. For example I get about 50-60 fps in 3D at 1440p at max detail in the witcher 3 but that game has good SLI scaling. Skyrim SE however. No native SLI support (I have hacked it in for about 5 to 10 extra frames) Runs unwavering 60fps modded to max plugins (255) in 2D. But almost is cleft in two in certain areas in 3D. Some people around here are happy with 30 fps. I am not one of them.... I take frame rate over resolution anyday. Also be careful. This monitor although good does not eliminate ghosting like is sometimes claimed. It's quite good but as the tech stands I don't think you can get rid of the problem entirely, with a projector being your best in that case apparently. Hopefully some good 4k monitors come out with 3d vision that can run at 60fps because at least you should be able to run them at 1080p if required without the scaling problems.
Yes although SLI is ideal I do agree with Blacksmith you should be happy enough with one 1080ti in 3d. Some poorly optimized games or some without any SLI support you may have to make compromises at 1440p. But I never choose to downscale to a lower resolution on these monitors, it just looks nasty and blurry defeating the purpose of going to 1440p in the first place. A native 1080p screen looks better if you are having to do that. I would rather run 1080p with max graphics detail.

I used to use a 1080 on this rig actually. I wouldn't have even considered going up to 1440p on one of those cards for 3D.

It also kind of depends on what kinda games you play. For example I get about 50-60 fps in 3D at 1440p at max detail in the witcher 3 but that game has good SLI scaling.

Skyrim SE however. No native SLI support (I have hacked it in for about 5 to 10 extra frames) Runs unwavering 60fps modded to max plugins (255) in 2D. But almost is cleft in two in certain areas in 3D.

Some people around here are happy with 30 fps. I am not one of them.... I take frame rate over resolution anyday.

Also be careful. This monitor although good does not eliminate ghosting like is sometimes claimed. It's quite good but as the tech stands I don't think you can get rid of the problem entirely, with a projector being your best in that case apparently.

Hopefully some good 4k monitors come out with 3d vision that can run at 60fps because at least you should be able to run them at 1080p if required without the scaling problems.

i7-4790K CPU 4.8Ghz stable overclock.
16 GB RAM Corsair
EVGA 1080TI SLI
Samsung SSD 840Pro
ASUS Z97-WS
3D Surround ASUS Rog Swift PG278Q(R), 2x PG278Q (yes it works)
Obutto R3volution.
Windows 10 pro 64x (Windows 7 Dual boot)

#7
Posted 07/25/2018 05:53 AM   
I upgraded my GTX 1070 to a 1080 and did some thorough testing. I decided to keep my old VG278H over the PG278QR for a few reasons but the deal breaker was the lack of sharpness options on the PG278QR, so despite the higher resolution of 1440p it's not really an improvement, in fact I think it looks worse because everything is blurry, not to mention the performance loss going up to 1440p. It also has worse colour range and less contrast, even after hours of calibrating I could never get it as good as the VG278H. 1440p also makes the desktop too small and scaling to anything over 100% makes certain apps blurry. The ghosting is basically the same on both monitors which is the main reason I upgraded. I spent hours going back and forth playing a few games on both monitors but I was just far more impressed with the VG278H every time. I also had issues with misaligned 3D in BlazeRush on the 278QR, for some reason that game just doesn't work properly on that monitor. If I hadn't used the VG278H beforehand I would've thought the PG278QR would be amazing and it's a great monitor on it's own merits, but it's inferior in everything except refresh rate to the VG278H. 1440p/165hz looks AMAZING in 2D and I'd definitely have kept it for racers and FPS in 2D but it wasn't worth keeping an inferior monitor just for 2D as that would defeat the purpose. That's definitely it's strength but it's only strength, I can see why normal gamers love it so much. same settings on both monitors, AA off: VG278H [img]https://i.imgur.com/CG703hj.jpg[/img] PG278QR [img]https://i.imgur.com/5upscvx.jpg[/img]
I upgraded my GTX 1070 to a 1080 and did some thorough testing. I decided to keep my old VG278H over the PG278QR for a few reasons but the deal breaker was the lack of sharpness options on the PG278QR, so despite the higher resolution of 1440p it's not really an improvement, in fact I think it looks worse because everything is blurry, not to mention the performance loss going up to 1440p. It also has worse colour range and less contrast, even after hours of calibrating I could never get it as good as the VG278H. 1440p also makes the desktop too small and scaling to anything over 100% makes certain apps blurry. The ghosting is basically the same on both monitors which is the main reason I upgraded. I spent hours going back and forth playing a few games on both monitors but I was just far more impressed with the VG278H every time.
I also had issues with misaligned 3D in BlazeRush on the 278QR, for some reason that game just doesn't work properly on that monitor.

If I hadn't used the VG278H beforehand I would've thought the PG278QR would be amazing and it's a great monitor on it's own merits, but it's inferior in everything except refresh rate to the VG278H. 1440p/165hz looks AMAZING in 2D and I'd definitely have kept it for racers and FPS in 2D but it wasn't worth keeping an inferior monitor just for 2D as that would defeat the purpose. That's definitely it's strength but it's only strength, I can see why normal gamers love it so much.

same settings on both monitors, AA off:

VG278H
Image

PG278QR
Image

#8
Posted 09/20/2018 05:24 AM   
PG278Q and 1080 Ti here, 1080 Ti is mostly adequate for about most games actually, you may have turn a few settings down, but you can run most games with this card. I'm currently going through Mass Effect: Andromeda in 3D and by turning some of the settings down from Ultra to High, i.e. Lighting, Shadows, opting for SSAO over HBAO+ and also running a custom resolution in Nvidia Control Panel > Change Resolution > Customize and then deducting 10% making for 2306x1296 and I'm at 60 FPS everywhere in Habitat 7 with a few occasional dips down to 55 FPS. It's the same story with The Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Batman: Arkham Knight except with these titles I don't even need to run 10% less resolution to get away with 60 FPS nearly everywhere. ROTTR needs a few settings turned down and TW3 you need to turn Hairworks off and Foliage Distance down to High but B:AK aside from the settings required in the fix I'm playing that maxed out at 60 FPS nearly everywhere (actually the 3 core bug with B:AK is pretty severe in certain sections of the city whilst flying and I've opted to play this game with SweetFX enabled at 90 FPS @ 3440x1440 UW on the AW3418DW as it runs much smoother and looks much sharper with Lumasharpen and SMAA: https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/4683/) But yeah, single 1080 Ti here, under full water block and 2012-2025 MHz core and + 425 MHz memory pushed by an 8700k @ 5.0 GHz, delidded, monoblock (60C load) and I'm able to run every game in my library that has a 3D Vision fix available except No Man's Sky @ 60 FPS. Some games I need to turn the resolution down a bit on top of turning some of the settings down but IMHO this is far preferable to SLI. DO NOT think about adding a second 1070 for SLI for 3D Vision. You will regret it BIG TIME. Youre much better off with a single faster card.
PG278Q and 1080 Ti here, 1080 Ti is mostly adequate for about most games actually, you may have turn a few settings down, but you can run most games with this card.

I'm currently going through Mass Effect: Andromeda in 3D and by turning some of the settings down from Ultra to High, i.e. Lighting, Shadows, opting for SSAO over HBAO+ and also running a custom resolution in Nvidia Control Panel > Change Resolution > Customize and then deducting 10% making for 2306x1296 and I'm at 60 FPS everywhere in Habitat 7 with a few occasional dips down to 55 FPS.

It's the same story with The Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Batman: Arkham Knight except with these titles I don't even need to run 10% less resolution to get away with 60 FPS nearly everywhere. ROTTR needs a few settings turned down and TW3 you need to turn Hairworks off and Foliage Distance down to High but B:AK aside from the settings required in the fix I'm playing that maxed out at 60 FPS nearly everywhere (actually the 3 core bug with B:AK is pretty severe in certain sections of the city whilst flying and I've opted to play this game with SweetFX enabled at 90 FPS @ 3440x1440 UW on the AW3418DW as it runs much smoother and looks much sharper with Lumasharpen and SMAA: https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/4683/)


But yeah, single 1080 Ti here, under full water block and 2012-2025 MHz core and + 425 MHz memory pushed by an 8700k @ 5.0 GHz, delidded, monoblock (60C load) and I'm able to run every game in my library that has a 3D Vision fix available except No Man's Sky @ 60 FPS. Some games I need to turn the resolution down a bit on top of turning some of the settings down but IMHO this is far preferable to SLI.

DO NOT think about adding a second 1070 for SLI for 3D Vision. You will regret it BIG TIME.

Youre much better off with a single faster card.

i7 8700k @ 5.1 GHz w/ EK Monoblock | GTX 1080 Ti FE + Full Nickel EK Block | EK SE 420 + EK PE 360 | 16GB G-Skill Trident Z @ 3200 MHz | Samsung 850 Evo | Corsair RM1000x | Asus ROG Swift PG278Q + Alienware AW3418DW | Win10 Pro 1703

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14520125/fs/11807761#

#9
Posted 09/21/2018 12:45 AM   
[quote="Hiphoppapotamus"]I upgraded my GTX 1070 to a 1080 and did some thorough testing. I decided to keep my old VG278H over the PG278QR for a few reasons but the deal breaker was the lack of sharpness options on the PG278QR, so despite the higher resolution of 1440p it's not really an improvement, in fact I think it looks worse because everything is blurry, not to mention the performance loss going up to 1440p. It also has worse colour range and less contrast, even after hours of calibrating I could never get it as good as the VG278H. 1440p also makes the desktop too small and scaling to anything over 100% makes certain apps blurry. The ghosting is basically the same on both monitors which is the main reason I upgraded. I spent hours going back and forth playing a few games on both monitors but I was just far more impressed with the VG278H every time. I also had issues with misaligned 3D in BlazeRush on the 278QR, for some reason that game just doesn't work properly on that monitor. If I hadn't used the VG278H beforehand I would've thought the PG278QR would be amazing and it's a great monitor on it's own merits, but it's inferior in everything except refresh rate to the VG278H. 1440p/165hz looks AMAZING in 2D and I'd definitely have kept it for racers and FPS in 2D but it wasn't worth keeping an inferior monitor just for 2D as that would defeat the purpose. That's definitely it's strength but it's only strength, I can see why normal gamers love it so much. same settings on both monitors, AA off: VG278H [img]https://i.imgur.com/CG703hj.jpg[/img] PG278QR [img]https://i.imgur.com/5upscvx.jpg[/img][/quote] 3D looks ok on this monitor! You need to calibrate it with an .icc profile to make it look better.
Hiphoppapotamus said:I upgraded my GTX 1070 to a 1080 and did some thorough testing. I decided to keep my old VG278H over the PG278QR for a few reasons but the deal breaker was the lack of sharpness options on the PG278QR, so despite the higher resolution of 1440p it's not really an improvement, in fact I think it looks worse because everything is blurry, not to mention the performance loss going up to 1440p. It also has worse colour range and less contrast, even after hours of calibrating I could never get it as good as the VG278H. 1440p also makes the desktop too small and scaling to anything over 100% makes certain apps blurry. The ghosting is basically the same on both monitors which is the main reason I upgraded. I spent hours going back and forth playing a few games on both monitors but I was just far more impressed with the VG278H every time.
I also had issues with misaligned 3D in BlazeRush on the 278QR, for some reason that game just doesn't work properly on that monitor.

If I hadn't used the VG278H beforehand I would've thought the PG278QR would be amazing and it's a great monitor on it's own merits, but it's inferior in everything except refresh rate to the VG278H. 1440p/165hz looks AMAZING in 2D and I'd definitely have kept it for racers and FPS in 2D but it wasn't worth keeping an inferior monitor just for 2D as that would defeat the purpose. That's definitely it's strength but it's only strength, I can see why normal gamers love it so much.

same settings on both monitors, AA off:

VG278H
Image

PG278QR
Image


3D looks ok on this monitor! You need to calibrate it with an .icc profile to make it look better.

i7 8700k @ 5.1 GHz w/ EK Monoblock | GTX 1080 Ti FE + Full Nickel EK Block | EK SE 420 + EK PE 360 | 16GB G-Skill Trident Z @ 3200 MHz | Samsung 850 Evo | Corsair RM1000x | Asus ROG Swift PG278Q + Alienware AW3418DW | Win10 Pro 1703

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/14520125/fs/11807761#

#10
Posted 09/21/2018 12:48 AM   
Something must be wrong...Your older monitor's graphics look way more sharp/detailed.
Something must be wrong...Your older monitor's graphics look way more sharp/detailed.

#11
Posted 10/20/2018 07:57 AM   
I think you may have got a bad panel, I upgraded from the smaller version of the same monitor and immediately noticed a huge upgrade in quality.
I think you may have got a bad panel, I upgraded from the smaller version of the same monitor and immediately noticed a huge upgrade in quality.

i7-4790K CPU 4.8Ghz stable overclock.
16 GB RAM Corsair
EVGA 1080TI SLI
Samsung SSD 840Pro
ASUS Z97-WS
3D Surround ASUS Rog Swift PG278Q(R), 2x PG278Q (yes it works)
Obutto R3volution.
Windows 10 pro 64x (Windows 7 Dual boot)

#12
Posted 10/20/2018 08:24 AM   
Yeah - something is wrong here, the PG278QR is far superiour over your old monitor, no doubt there. Regarding frames in 1440p, I've recently come to the conclusion, that when I miss some frames, I turn AA off complety, in games like Skyrim which is modded to the extremes with lots of 4K textures (game dir 120GB+), and there is not that many straight lines, which means that you really have to look close to find some jaggies :) On the other hand, the benefit is, close up graphics looks much sharper and ultra crisp without AA, and ofc. I have 55-60 fps everywhere.. So actually I think turning off AA is my favorite trade-off ATM :)
Yeah - something is wrong here, the PG278QR is far superiour over your old monitor, no doubt there.

Regarding frames in 1440p, I've recently come to the conclusion, that when I miss some frames, I turn AA off complety, in games like Skyrim which is modded to the extremes with lots of 4K textures (game dir 120GB+), and there is not that many straight lines, which means that you really have to look close to find some jaggies :)

On the other hand, the benefit is, close up graphics looks much sharper and ultra crisp without AA, and ofc. I have 55-60 fps everywhere..
So actually I think turning off AA is my favorite trade-off ATM :)

Win7 64bit Pro
CPU: 4790K 4.8 GHZ
GPU: Aurus 1080 TI 2.08 GHZ - 100% Watercooled !
Monitor: Asus PG278QR
And lots of ram and HD's ;)

#13
Posted 10/20/2018 09:14 AM   
Scroll To Top