Please Help! Nvidia 3D Vision+Mitsubishi DLP Can't get it to work with a Movie!
I have the Nvidia 3D Vision kit and a Mitsubishi WD-60C9 DLP TV. Please note that this TV does NOT support HDMI 1.4!

I am running Windows 7 64 Bit and have the latest NVIDIA drivers installed.

I go to control panel and enable/setup 3D vision, everything looks flawless in the setup utility and it completes correctly, displaying 3D perfectly in the medical image tests as well as the Nvidia 3D screenshots that you can optionally view after setup completes.

This is where things go wrong..... I own Power DVD 11, and when I try to view a movie in 3D (.mkv Side by Side format) the 3D will not enable. I have the 3D settings in the options of Power DVD set correctly, to side-by-side format, displaying to my "3D HDTV Checkerboard" option within Powerdvd 11. If i change the option to "display to 3D Vision ready monitor", the emitter will enable, but the picture looks very odd, somewhat blurry (as my DLP is not at @120hz).

Is there something I am missing? What is the 3DTV Play? What exactly is that, is it another player like PowerDVD or is it something more? I am highly confused at what it causing this. Is this a limitation of my TV? Mitsubishi makes a 3D 1.4 HDMI add-on adapter, am i going to need that to view movies?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
I have the Nvidia 3D Vision kit and a Mitsubishi WD-60C9 DLP TV. Please note that this TV does NOT support HDMI 1.4!



I am running Windows 7 64 Bit and have the latest NVIDIA drivers installed.



I go to control panel and enable/setup 3D vision, everything looks flawless in the setup utility and it completes correctly, displaying 3D perfectly in the medical image tests as well as the Nvidia 3D screenshots that you can optionally view after setup completes.



This is where things go wrong..... I own Power DVD 11, and when I try to view a movie in 3D (.mkv Side by Side format) the 3D will not enable. I have the 3D settings in the options of Power DVD set correctly, to side-by-side format, displaying to my "3D HDTV Checkerboard" option within Powerdvd 11. If i change the option to "display to 3D Vision ready monitor", the emitter will enable, but the picture looks very odd, somewhat blurry (as my DLP is not at @120hz).



Is there something I am missing? What is the 3DTV Play? What exactly is that, is it another player like PowerDVD or is it something more? I am highly confused at what it causing this. Is this a limitation of my TV? Mitsubishi makes a 3D 1.4 HDMI add-on adapter, am i going to need that to view movies?



Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

#1
Posted 12/15/2011 04:34 PM   
try reversing the stereo image from left-to-right, to right-to-left in PowerDVD11 or you can select 'reverse' in your TVs 3D menu option. I have the exact same TV and use 3D Vision Ready Monitor with this TV, don't worry that it's not 120 hz.

With this TV and the 3D Vision kit you don't need (and don't want) the 3DTV Play. 3D Vision Kit is made, designed, and inclusive of your TV.
try reversing the stereo image from left-to-right, to right-to-left in PowerDVD11 or you can select 'reverse' in your TVs 3D menu option. I have the exact same TV and use 3D Vision Ready Monitor with this TV, don't worry that it's not 120 hz.



With this TV and the 3D Vision kit you don't need (and don't want) the 3DTV Play. 3D Vision Kit is made, designed, and inclusive of your TV.

#2
Posted 12/15/2011 04:58 PM   
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2011 - 11:58 AM' timestamp='1323968295' post='1342686']
try reversing the stereo image from left-to-right, to right-to-left in PowerDVD11 or you can select 'reverse' in your TVs 3D menu option. I have the exact same TV and use 3D Vision Ready Monitor with this TV, don't worry that it's not 120 hz.

With this TV and the 3D Vision kit you don't need (and don't want) the 3DTV Play. 3D Vision Kit is made, designed, and inclusive of your TV.
[/quote]

Photios, thank you very much for your help! However, I figured out my problem.....it was because I had Scaling turned on in the Nvidia Control panel.

It is working now though! Is there no way to scale movies in 3D to fill the screen? Are we stuck with the native?
[quote name='photios' date='15 December 2011 - 11:58 AM' timestamp='1323968295' post='1342686']

try reversing the stereo image from left-to-right, to right-to-left in PowerDVD11 or you can select 'reverse' in your TVs 3D menu option. I have the exact same TV and use 3D Vision Ready Monitor with this TV, don't worry that it's not 120 hz.



With this TV and the 3D Vision kit you don't need (and don't want) the 3DTV Play. 3D Vision Kit is made, designed, and inclusive of your TV.





Photios, thank you very much for your help! However, I figured out my problem.....it was because I had Scaling turned on in the Nvidia Control panel.



It is working now though! Is there no way to scale movies in 3D to fill the screen? Are we stuck with the native?

#3
Posted 12/15/2011 07:29 PM   
Once an image is converted to the checkboard format, no scaling can occur our it ruins the image. Any scaling applied needs to be done prior to signal conversion into checkerboard.
Once an image is converted to the checkboard format, no scaling can occur our it ruins the image. Any scaling applied needs to be done prior to signal conversion into checkerboard.

#4
Posted 12/15/2011 07:37 PM   
what resolution do you have your desktop set to?
what resolution do you have your desktop set to?

#5
Posted 12/15/2011 08:20 PM   
Sorry, this is off topic. Is it possible to run your DLP at 1080p60 for 3D Vision gaming?

Also, what connector type does it use from your PC?
Sorry, this is off topic. Is it possible to run your DLP at 1080p60 for 3D Vision gaming?



Also, what connector type does it use from your PC?

#6
Posted 12/15/2011 09:41 PM   
[quote name='miahallen' date='15 December 2011 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1323985278' post='1342786']
Sorry, this is off topic. Is it possible to run your DLP at 1080p60 for 3D Vision gaming?

Also, what connector type does it use from your PC?
[/quote]

No, it is not possible. They connect via HDMI and are incapable of full 1080P60 due to the current chipset limitation. DLP 3D HDTVs use the Checkerboard format to achieve 60 per eye in the available bandwidth limit of HDMI.

With 3D, the number of frames that must be displayed in the same amount of time is, of course, doubled.

TVs only accept a 60Hz input signal over HDMI. So, to double the frames, 120 half frames (1920x540) are sent within the 60 frame limit.

The TV recognizes this and pulls the two half frames out of each frame and displays the two frames alternately at 120Hz resulting in two 60 HZ (right and left) images for 3-D appearing to occur simultaneously because of persistence in the eye. So the image is percieved to be full resolution by your brain.
[quote name='miahallen' date='15 December 2011 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1323985278' post='1342786']

Sorry, this is off topic. Is it possible to run your DLP at 1080p60 for 3D Vision gaming?



Also, what connector type does it use from your PC?





No, it is not possible. They connect via HDMI and are incapable of full 1080P60 due to the current chipset limitation. DLP 3D HDTVs use the Checkerboard format to achieve 60 per eye in the available bandwidth limit of HDMI.



With 3D, the number of frames that must be displayed in the same amount of time is, of course, doubled.



TVs only accept a 60Hz input signal over HDMI. So, to double the frames, 120 half frames (1920x540) are sent within the 60 frame limit.



The TV recognizes this and pulls the two half frames out of each frame and displays the two frames alternately at 120Hz resulting in two 60 HZ (right and left) images for 3-D appearing to occur simultaneously because of persistence in the eye. So the image is percieved to be full resolution by your brain.

#7
Posted 12/16/2011 03:56 AM   
[quote name='Williewonka' date='15 December 2011 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1323977344' post='1342736']
Photios, thank you very much for your help! However, I figured out my problem.....it was because I had Scaling turned on in the Nvidia Control panel.

It is working now though! Is there no way to scale movies in 3D to fill the screen? Are we stuck with the native?
[/quote]


As photios suggests, the resolution needs to be adjusted/set in your desktop settings.

Some of the older DLP chips had a smaller native resolutions, but are quite capable of 1920x1080P via wobulation.
[quote name='Williewonka' date='15 December 2011 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1323977344' post='1342736']

Photios, thank you very much for your help! However, I figured out my problem.....it was because I had Scaling turned on in the Nvidia Control panel.



It is working now though! Is there no way to scale movies in 3D to fill the screen? Are we stuck with the native?







As photios suggests, the resolution needs to be adjusted/set in your desktop settings.



Some of the older DLP chips had a smaller native resolutions, but are quite capable of 1920x1080P via wobulation.

#8
Posted 12/16/2011 04:02 AM   
[quote name='miahallen' date='15 December 2011 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1323985278' post='1342786']
Sorry, this is off topic. Is it possible to run your DLP at 1080p60 for 3D Vision gaming?

Also, what connector type does it use from your PC?
[/quote]
You can do 1920x1080 /60 fps native res with checkerboard in 3D gaming. each frame = 1 L image + 1 R image, each image is 960x1080 in a checkerboard pattern to give 1920x1080 per frame, 60 frames per second (120 Hz vertical refresh).
The image quality is a little better in frame sequential (2x 1920x1080 per frame) but you get only 30 fps, a bad trade off in 3D games. Although a static screen shot shows a modest visual difference between CB and FS (depending on the game), in-game you can hardly tell the difference.
You can use either a DVI to HDMI converter, or straight HDMI cable from your vid card. Be sure your cable is either HDMI 1.3 or 1.4.
[quote name='miahallen' date='15 December 2011 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1323985278' post='1342786']

Sorry, this is off topic. Is it possible to run your DLP at 1080p60 for 3D Vision gaming?



Also, what connector type does it use from your PC?



You can do 1920x1080 /60 fps native res with checkerboard in 3D gaming. each frame = 1 L image + 1 R image, each image is 960x1080 in a checkerboard pattern to give 1920x1080 per frame, 60 frames per second (120 Hz vertical refresh).

The image quality is a little better in frame sequential (2x 1920x1080 per frame) but you get only 30 fps, a bad trade off in 3D games. Although a static screen shot shows a modest visual difference between CB and FS (depending on the game), in-game you can hardly tell the difference.

You can use either a DVI to HDMI converter, or straight HDMI cable from your vid card. Be sure your cable is either HDMI 1.3 or 1.4.

#9
Posted 12/16/2011 07:06 PM   
Okay guys, I can't thank you enough for the helpful responses! I have owned the Nvidia 3D Vision kit and my Mitsubishi WD-60C9 tv for quite a while now, however I hooked up my kit to the TV only yesterday. I previously had used it on my PC, with the Alienware 23" 3D Monitor.

It is SO MUCH better on my DLP it itsn't funny. The small screen size with the Alienware really creates a lot of additional eye strain (in my opinion). I had a genuine jaw-dropping experience last night when I viewed IMAX Hubble Telescope 1080p SBS last night, it was freaking incredible. If you guys haven't seen that one I highly suggest it!

Anyway, I am now going to purchase an additional set of glasses and I will be set! Is there a maximum amount of glasses that can be used with 1 Nvidia 3D emitter? I would like to have a total of 4!

Last question - as I think this is where the limitation of my TV not being HDMI 1.4 compatible (However Mitsubishi sells a converter add on that I think resolves that issue.

My question is, I have Time Warner Cable, they support ESPN 3D, in order for me to be able to watch ESPN 3D via my cable box, will I need the Mitsubishi Converter?

Here is a link to the converter: [url="http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mitsubishi-3DC-1000-3D-Starter-Kit/15711197"]Mitsubishi 3DC-1000[/url]

That kit comes with 2 glasses, but is available without the glasses. I assume that NVidia Glasses will NOT work with that correct? Thus I would have to use the NVidia Kit to watch 3D content that is PC based and the Mitsubishi Kit to watch 3D content that is cable based? Can neither of those kits provide a all-in-one solution for 3D content on all platforms?

Thanks again for your time and help!
Okay guys, I can't thank you enough for the helpful responses! I have owned the Nvidia 3D Vision kit and my Mitsubishi WD-60C9 tv for quite a while now, however I hooked up my kit to the TV only yesterday. I previously had used it on my PC, with the Alienware 23" 3D Monitor.



It is SO MUCH better on my DLP it itsn't funny. The small screen size with the Alienware really creates a lot of additional eye strain (in my opinion). I had a genuine jaw-dropping experience last night when I viewed IMAX Hubble Telescope 1080p SBS last night, it was freaking incredible. If you guys haven't seen that one I highly suggest it!



Anyway, I am now going to purchase an additional set of glasses and I will be set! Is there a maximum amount of glasses that can be used with 1 Nvidia 3D emitter? I would like to have a total of 4!



Last question - as I think this is where the limitation of my TV not being HDMI 1.4 compatible (However Mitsubishi sells a converter add on that I think resolves that issue.



My question is, I have Time Warner Cable, they support ESPN 3D, in order for me to be able to watch ESPN 3D via my cable box, will I need the Mitsubishi Converter?



Here is a link to the converter: Mitsubishi 3DC-1000



That kit comes with 2 glasses, but is available without the glasses. I assume that NVidia Glasses will NOT work with that correct? Thus I would have to use the NVidia Kit to watch 3D content that is PC based and the Mitsubishi Kit to watch 3D content that is cable based? Can neither of those kits provide a all-in-one solution for 3D content on all platforms?



Thanks again for your time and help!

#10
Posted 12/16/2011 07:21 PM   
PM Andrew and see if you can get that converter added to 3DTV Play. That's the only way you can get an all-in one solution.

Or, you could get the kit and get the EDID from a Mitsubishi 1.4a TV owner and just use that as an override and use 3DTV Play without the adapter being added to the list.
PM Andrew and see if you can get that converter added to 3DTV Play. That's the only way you can get an all-in one solution.



Or, you could get the kit and get the EDID from a Mitsubishi 1.4a TV owner and just use that as an override and use 3DTV Play without the adapter being added to the list.

#11
Posted 12/16/2011 09:45 PM   
As far as I know, they already have a working solution for the Mitsubisi 3DHDTVs using the converter.

Do yourself a favor, buy the standalone converter. Then buy some 3D Glasses that are more future proof. Some that you'd be able to use with your next display. Don't rush it, do the research. Say if you thought you might get a DLP Projector down the road, you might want to get DLP Link glasses. Or, you might look at RF glasses, they are superior to IR glasses for viewing when multiple people are involved. IR sync signal emitters are limited to LOS.
As far as I know, they already have a working solution for the Mitsubisi 3DHDTVs using the converter.



Do yourself a favor, buy the standalone converter. Then buy some 3D Glasses that are more future proof. Some that you'd be able to use with your next display. Don't rush it, do the research. Say if you thought you might get a DLP Projector down the road, you might want to get DLP Link glasses. Or, you might look at RF glasses, they are superior to IR glasses for viewing when multiple people are involved. IR sync signal emitters are limited to LOS.

#12
Posted 12/17/2011 04:43 AM   
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