Asus VG248QE, VG278HE & HR, BenQ XL270T checkerboard-pattern in 3D-mode (no FullHD per Frame)
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[quote="D-Man11"]Houston... there is a problem....[/quote] Yes, I totally agree :). [quote="D-Man11"] [quote="orcinus"]It's not the fact they are not on the grid that's the problem. It's the fact the subpixels are clumped in groups of two => meaning resolution has been halved. That's precisely the same issue i've posted the photos of in the other thread. I don't care what it is, but Full HD @ 120 Hz it ain't. If i wanted half the resolution, i would've bought a passive IPS.[/quote][/quote] Do you have link to [b]orcinus[/b]' statement, I'd like to read the story around? [quote="D-Man11"]I almost wonder if the tsunami/eartquake is the cause? Perhaps manufacturers were in short supply of 120Hz monitor parts for production. So in their greed, they substituted a checkerboard solution to continue premium monitor profits?[/quote] Interesting idea and perhaps you are even right. Another idea: They used different chips or panels for the pilot production and changed it at some time. I don't know. All I know is, that it is disappointing. [quote="CeeJayII"]Well.... I sent a message to ASUS and asked if they could fix this problem if I RMA. I described the checkerboard effect and gave them a link to this thread so they could read about it. Chances are they won't even visit the thread or give any decent reply but I figured it was worth a shot.[/quote] Great idea! I already contacted my local Asus Support (Hotline), too. Yet the only thing I got to hear was: "It must be a malfunction, we have nothing about checkerboard-interlacing in our database ... please order a new one." [i](So I did and got another malfunctioning Asus VG278HE)[/i] [u][b]@CeeJayII:[/b] Please inform us if you get any feedback from Asus. I am very interested to read about it![/u]
D-Man11 said:Houston... there is a problem....

Yes, I totally agree :).

D-Man11 said:
orcinus said:It's not the fact they are not on the grid that's the problem. It's the fact the subpixels are clumped in groups of two => meaning resolution has been halved. That's precisely the same issue i've posted the photos of in the other thread.

I don't care what it is, but Full HD @ 120 Hz it ain't.

If i wanted half the resolution, i would've bought a passive IPS.

Do you have link to orcinus' statement, I'd like to read the story around?

D-Man11 said:I almost wonder if the tsunami/eartquake is the cause? Perhaps manufacturers were in short supply of 120Hz monitor parts for production. So in their greed, they substituted a checkerboard solution to continue premium monitor profits?

Interesting idea and perhaps you are even right. Another idea: They used different chips or panels for the pilot production and changed it at some time. I don't know. All I know is, that it is disappointing.

CeeJayII said:Well.... I sent a message to ASUS and asked if they could fix this problem if I RMA. I described the checkerboard effect and gave them a link to this thread so they could read about it. Chances are they won't even visit the thread or give any decent reply but I figured it was worth a shot.

Great idea! I already contacted my local Asus Support (Hotline), too. Yet the only thing I got to hear was: "It must be a malfunction, we have nothing about checkerboard-interlacing in our database ... please order a new one." (So I did and got another malfunctioning Asus VG278HE)

@CeeJayII: Please inform us if you get any feedback from Asus. I am very interested to read about it!

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#46
Posted 07/27/2013 09:43 AM   
BTW Horus was the thread starter, he was asking for support for a Samsung monitor but the thread snowballed into a discussion about checkerboard. [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/524468/3d-vision/why-prevent-us-from-using-the-monitor-of-our-choice-/post/3718943/#3718943[/url] [url]https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/525226/3d-vision/1080p-hd-3d-vision-is-a-joke/[/url] I also PMd quadrophoenix and asked him to post here if the problem is indeed non-existent on his replacement monitor. Hopefully, he'll chime in...
BTW Horus was the thread starter, he was asking for support for a Samsung monitor but the thread snowballed into a discussion about checkerboard.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/524468/3d-vision/why-prevent-us-from-using-the-monitor-of-our-choice-/post/3718943/#3718943

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/525226/3d-vision/1080p-hd-3d-vision-is-a-joke/

I also PMd quadrophoenix and asked him to post here if the problem is indeed non-existent on his replacement monitor. Hopefully, he'll chime in...

#47
Posted 07/27/2013 12:39 PM   
Ah, that second link was the thread I was thinking of earlier. Cheers D-Man11, I knew I'd seen this somewhere else before. At the time I wasn't too worried as it seemed to have been put down to faulty screens.
Ah, that second link was the thread I was thinking of earlier. Cheers D-Man11, I knew I'd seen this somewhere else before.
At the time I wasn't too worried as it seemed to have been put down to faulty screens.

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#48
Posted 07/27/2013 04:36 PM   
I was recently near my old Benq XL2410T but didn't have the time to do a battery of tests. They would be interesting but not very useful to me personally as I rarely use it nowadays. I did some further test FlyingRocket over Skype. Still trying to figure out the when and why as well as why not. red-green test: 50% contrast -> checkerboard pattern (two brightnesses of red). 100% contrast -> no checkerboard pattern (all fullbright red).
I was recently near my old Benq XL2410T but didn't have the time to do a battery of tests.

They would be interesting but not very useful to me personally as I rarely use it nowadays.

I did some further test FlyingRocket over Skype.

Still trying to figure out the when and why as well as why not.

red-green test:
50% contrast -> checkerboard pattern (two brightnesses of red).
100% contrast -> no checkerboard pattern (all fullbright red).

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#49
Posted 07/27/2013 07:06 PM   
[quote="rustyk"]Ah, that second link was the thread I was thinking of earlier. Cheers D-Man11, I knew I'd seen this somewhere else before. At the time I wasn't too worried as it seemed to have been put down to faulty screens. [/quote] Yah, I was looking for that second thread as well but could not find it due to not remembering the thread title or who the poster was. If it hadn't been for FlyingRocket asking about orcinus, I wouldn't have found it.
rustyk said:Ah, that second link was the thread I was thinking of earlier. Cheers D-Man11, I knew I'd seen this somewhere else before.
At the time I wasn't too worried as it seemed to have been put down to faulty screens.


Yah, I was looking for that second thread as well but could not find it due to not remembering the thread title or who the poster was. If it hadn't been for FlyingRocket asking about orcinus, I wouldn't have found it.

#50
Posted 07/27/2013 08:50 PM   
Gahh!! So this ISN'T normal? I've sure noticed it on mine. I usually ignore it, but there are times when it is annoying. Mostly when it's trying to display something (in 3d) like a white line, or silver (like the edge of a sword or something) and instead of white, I get a shimmering red,blue,green effect on the edge of the sword. THAT is when it is real annoying. So.. should I also try to set up an RMA with Asus to get a better monitor? I don't know if I could afford the shipping costs more than once if I were to get a monitor with the same problem. Goddammit.... >:(
Gahh!! So this ISN'T normal? I've sure noticed it on mine. I usually ignore it, but there are times when it is annoying. Mostly when it's trying to display something (in 3d) like a white line, or silver (like the edge of a sword or something) and instead of white, I get a shimmering red,blue,green effect on the edge of the sword. THAT is when it is real annoying.

So.. should I also try to set up an RMA with Asus to get a better monitor? I don't know if I could afford the shipping costs more than once if I were to get a monitor with the same problem. Goddammit.... >:(

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#51
Posted 07/27/2013 10:20 PM   
Has anyone tried a displayport cable rather than dual dvi? I'm still waiting to hear back from Asus about the issue.
Has anyone tried a displayport cable rather than dual dvi? I'm still waiting to hear back from Asus about the issue.

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#52
Posted 07/28/2013 09:35 AM   
[quote="AcidBong"]Gahh!! So this ISN'T normal? I've sure noticed it on mine. I usually ignore it, but there are times when it is annoying. Mostly when it's trying to display something (in 3d) like a white line, or silver (like the edge of a sword or something) and instead of white, I get a shimmering red,blue,green effect on the edge of the sword. THAT is when it is real annoying. So.. should I also try to set up an RMA with Asus to get a better monitor? I don't know if I could afford the shipping costs more than once if I were to get a monitor with the same problem. Goddammit.... >:([/quote] [b]AcidBond[/b], what you described might be the checkerboard-interlacing issue we discovered on our screens. However, it could also be just ghosting artifacts (a different kind of problem :)). In order, to find out if your monitor really suffers from checkerboard-interlacing use the image provided below (change JPG to JPS). If you do [b][u]NOT[/u][/b] have a checkerboard-interlacing you should get a [b]smooth grey image[/b]. However, if your monitor is in fact suffering from checkerboard-interlacing you should get an inhomogeneous grey patterned image. [URL=http://imageshack.us/a/img15/2836/s9z9.jpg][IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img15/2836/s9z9.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [quote="CeeJayII"]Has anyone tried a displayport cable rather than dual dvi? I'm still waiting to hear back from Asus about the issue.[/quote] The Asus VG278HE does not have a displayport, hence an adapter is necessary to use the displayport of the graphiccards. Which adapter would you use? Displayport to HDMI or Displayport to DVI? Personally I believe that[b] using the displayport wouldn't change a thing[/b], because I think the monitor internally applies the checkerboard-interlacing. An evidence may be that the checkerboard-pattern can be ruled out when applying 100% contrast on two plane-coloured images (like the JPG above). I think it would be interesting to see at which date the monitor were produced (check the backplate of your monitors), maybe we can find out when it all began or even when it might have ended (perhaps they did change the production at some point). Both Asus VG278HE monitors, which I currently have here for testing, were produced in [b]September 2012.[/b] (I got the idea about the production date from following thread about the [b]Acer HN274HBbmiiid[/b], which also seems to have the same problems: [u]http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1945[/u] PS: [b]@CeeJayII[/b] maybe you are going to hear from Asus tomorrow or by Tuesday. Anyway, tell us as soon as you hear something from them (btw. I also contacted the Asus Email Support and are also awaiting response).
AcidBong said:Gahh!! So this ISN'T normal? I've sure noticed it on mine. I usually ignore it, but there are times when it is annoying. Mostly when it's trying to display something (in 3d) like a white line, or silver (like the edge of a sword or something) and instead of white, I get a shimmering red,blue,green effect on the edge of the sword. THAT is when it is real annoying.

So.. should I also try to set up an RMA with Asus to get a better monitor? I don't know if I could afford the shipping costs more than once if I were to get a monitor with the same problem. Goddammit.... >:(

AcidBond, what you described might be the checkerboard-interlacing issue we discovered on our screens. However, it could also be just ghosting artifacts (a different kind of problem :)).
In order, to find out if your monitor really suffers from checkerboard-interlacing use the image provided below (change JPG to JPS). If you do NOT have a checkerboard-interlacing you should get a smooth grey image. However, if your monitor is in fact suffering from checkerboard-interlacing you should get an inhomogeneous grey patterned image.

Image

CeeJayII said:Has anyone tried a displayport cable rather than dual dvi? I'm still waiting to hear back from Asus about the issue.

The Asus VG278HE does not have a displayport, hence an adapter is necessary to use the displayport of the graphiccards. Which adapter would you use? Displayport to HDMI or Displayport to DVI?

Personally I believe that using the displayport wouldn't change a thing, because I think the monitor internally applies the checkerboard-interlacing. An evidence may be that the checkerboard-pattern can be ruled out when applying 100% contrast on two plane-coloured images (like the JPG above).


I think it would be interesting to see at which date the monitor were produced (check the backplate of your monitors), maybe we can find out when it all began or even when it might have ended (perhaps they did change the production at some point).

Both Asus VG278HE monitors, which I currently have here for testing, were produced in September 2012.

(I got the idea about the production date from following thread about the Acer HN274HBbmiiid, which also seems to have the same problems: http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1945

PS: @CeeJayII maybe you are going to hear from Asus tomorrow or by Tuesday. Anyway, tell us as soon as you hear something from them (btw. I also contacted the Asus Email Support and are also awaiting response).

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#53
Posted 07/28/2013 08:23 PM   
My monitor was produced in January 2013. I also read that plugging the monitor directly into the wall rather than a power strip had alleviated 120hz interlacing problems in the past. I tried it and I really can't tell if there is a difference or not. It is suggested in the last post of the following thread. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/405905/3d-vision/grainy-texture-horizontal-lines-when-in-3d-mode-samsung-2233rz-22-inch-bundle/11/
My monitor was produced in January 2013. I also read that plugging the monitor directly into the wall rather than a power strip had alleviated 120hz interlacing problems in the past. I tried it and I really can't tell if there is a difference or not. It is suggested in the last post of the following thread.


https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/405905/3d-vision/grainy-texture-horizontal-lines-when-in-3d-mode-samsung-2233rz-22-inch-bundle/11/

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#54
Posted 07/28/2013 08:53 PM   
[quote="FlyingRocket"][quote="AcidBong"]Gahh!! So this ISN'T normal? I've sure noticed it on mine. I usually ignore it, but there are times when it is annoying. Mostly when it's trying to display something (in 3d) like a white line, or silver (like the edge of a sword or something) and instead of white, I get a shimmering red,blue,green effect on the edge of the sword. THAT is when it is real annoying. So.. should I also try to set up an RMA with Asus to get a better monitor? I don't know if I could afford the shipping costs more than once if I were to get a monitor with the same problem. Goddammit.... >:([/quote] [b]AcidBond[/b], what you described might be the checkerboard-interlacing issue we discovered on our screens. However, it could also be just ghosting artifacts (a different kind of problem :)). In order, to find out if your monitor really suffers from checkerboard-interlacing use the image provided below (change JPG to JPS). If you do [b][u]NOT[/u][/b] have a checkerboard-interlacing you should get a [b]smooth grey image[/b]. However, if your monitor is in fact suffering from checkerboard-interlacing you should get an inhomogeneous grey patterned image.[/quote] I tried all your test images. and yeah, i have the checkerboarding pattern. I tried the 100% contrast with the red/green, and it disappears (but not in games). I also went over to the other pc with the Samsung 2233rz, and ran the same tests, as I never remembered seeing this pattern on my old monitor. but sure enough it's there too. Just much much smaller, probably since the monitor is smaller, and has higher pixel density. With the black and white image, my VG278 displays an obvious checker pattern from my normal sitting distance about 2'. The sammy displays what looks like a true grey image from the same distance. But if I put my nose to it, I do see the checker pattern on the Sammy. So.. uh.. i don't know what to think.
FlyingRocket said:
AcidBong said:Gahh!! So this ISN'T normal? I've sure noticed it on mine. I usually ignore it, but there are times when it is annoying. Mostly when it's trying to display something (in 3d) like a white line, or silver (like the edge of a sword or something) and instead of white, I get a shimmering red,blue,green effect on the edge of the sword. THAT is when it is real annoying.

So.. should I also try to set up an RMA with Asus to get a better monitor? I don't know if I could afford the shipping costs more than once if I were to get a monitor with the same problem. Goddammit.... >:(

AcidBond, what you described might be the checkerboard-interlacing issue we discovered on our screens. However, it could also be just ghosting artifacts (a different kind of problem :)).
In order, to find out if your monitor really suffers from checkerboard-interlacing use the image provided below (change JPG to JPS). If you do NOT have a checkerboard-interlacing you should get a smooth grey image. However, if your monitor is in fact suffering from checkerboard-interlacing you should get an inhomogeneous grey patterned image.


I tried all your test images. and yeah, i have the checkerboarding pattern. I tried the 100% contrast with the red/green, and it disappears (but not in games). I also went over to the other pc with the Samsung 2233rz, and ran the same tests, as I never remembered seeing this pattern on my old monitor. but sure enough it's there too. Just much much smaller, probably since the monitor is smaller, and has higher pixel density. With the black and white image, my VG278 displays an obvious checker pattern from my normal sitting distance about 2'. The sammy displays what looks like a true grey image from the same distance. But if I put my nose to it, I do see the checker pattern on the Sammy. So.. uh.. i don't know what to think.

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#55
Posted 07/28/2013 09:37 PM   
LOL.. i just tried something else. using the black and white image, I start at 100% contrast and go down 1% at a time. soon as i get to 97, the image flickers, and i get a fuzzy type of rendering. Go down a few more percent, and the white image turns pinkish! Go down to about 75, and it's white again, but with the checker pattern. What do you make of that?
LOL.. i just tried something else. using the black and white image, I start at 100% contrast and go down 1% at a time. soon as i get to 97, the image flickers, and i get a fuzzy type of rendering. Go down a few more percent, and the white image turns pinkish! Go down to about 75, and it's white again, but with the checker pattern. What do you make of that?

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#56
Posted 07/28/2013 09:52 PM   
Using the white-black test image I've got noticeable checkerboarding within about 2cm from the edges on all four sides. Beyond that it's non-existant. I've got Asus VG278H. How do I check the manufacturing date on my monitor? [edit:] I also did have a really bad halo-bleed initially. But I waited it out and it completely disappeared. Who knows, perhaps same batch has similar features.
Using the white-black test image I've got noticeable checkerboarding within about 2cm from the edges on all four sides. Beyond that it's non-existant. I've got Asus VG278H.

How do I check the manufacturing date on my monitor?


[edit:] I also did have a really bad halo-bleed initially. But I waited it out and it completely disappeared. Who knows, perhaps same batch has similar features.

#57
Posted 07/28/2013 10:26 PM   
D-Man11 asked me to jump back in as I was one of the first to stir in that can of **** It all started with an Amazon bargain on the Acer 274Hbmiiid incl. 3Dvision2 glasses for 300,- instead of 500,- If it sounds too good to be true, well, it probably is: When I put my shivering hands to it and fired it up in expectance of gloirious S3D on a cinematic sclae, how bitter was my disappointment when I saw the shabby 3D picture which looked like vertical interlacing. So, bargain or not, this had to go and after a while I thought apparently good 27" needs more cash and puilled the trigger on an Asus 278HE. This monitor, however, left me disappointed as it alost showed the same crappy picture quality. Just to clarify: this [i]first[/i] VG278HE definitely had a different (?) problem and I consider it being defective. Where different as in "?" means it could have well been caused by the same origin. Correspondingly it was replaced by Asus direct without argueing and in fact the new monitor hadn't this issue. However it had [i]this[/i] discussed here. I brought up the topic and placed enoug evidence for everybody to check but soon gave up due to being trolled by some fanboy (mind, I'm a S3D fanboy myself ;) ). The discussions with Asus also ended up in a "let's sit it out" dead end situation with communication being relayed between Asus Germany, aledged service in headquarter (the broken english made me tend to believe that) and me, where they claimed not to be able to reproduce that issue and in the end Asus Germany insisted that to be normal. Which ledas us to the question: [quote="CeeJayII"]So is this something every 120hz 3D monitor has or not?[/quote] And the clear answer I have for you is "NO!" I have a Sammy 2233RZ and a Hannspree that both do not show this behaviour. Admittantly they both are not lightboost, but honestly, if that feature is what is used as an explanation/ excuse for this symptom I would rather call lightboost a degression. Still, all my researches on the web lead me to the conclusion that it [i]is[/i] at least "normal" for the Asus HE. First I was almost inclined to stick with that Asus but in the end it bothered me so much that I sold it (avoiding shipping costs and arguing with stubborn service). What in fact bothered me more than the 3D subpixel clouding was the jaggedness in 2D on fast moving objects in high contrast scenes giving even 2D movies an "interlaced" look. First I considered to get an "H" instead which reportedly [i]may[/i] not show this. But burnt child dreads the fire as they say and apparently quite a few people even do not notice it or deem it normal behaviour. So I decided on a Samsung S27A750D. Officially not supported by nvidia unfortunately. Still, it shows crisp 1:1 mapped pixels in 2D and 3D and even though I don't like glossy panels too much this is by far the best 3D monitor I have used so far. So, for multimedia consumption I can recommend this without any restrictions, gaming is a different thing though as it just works with either Tri-Def and/or more or less satisfying fumbling and tweaking. Being one of the if not the most superior monitor for S3D out there it's a shame that nvidia cannot jump over it's own shadow and at least bring back generic 120 Hz mode for proper support or even include this into their supported list. License issues asisde this would make 3Dvision more attractive and in the end might lead to higher sales for their GFX cards. But frankly I am too desillusioned to see that happen.
D-Man11 asked me to jump back in as I was one of the first to stir in that can of ****

It all started with an Amazon bargain on the Acer 274Hbmiiid incl. 3Dvision2 glasses for 300,- instead of 500,-

If it sounds too good to be true, well, it probably is: When I put my shivering hands to it and fired it up in expectance of gloirious S3D on a cinematic sclae, how bitter was my disappointment when I saw the shabby 3D picture which looked like vertical interlacing. So, bargain or not, this had to go and after a while I thought apparently good 27" needs more cash and puilled the trigger on an Asus 278HE. This monitor, however, left me disappointed as it alost showed the same crappy picture quality.

Just to clarify: this first VG278HE definitely had a different (?) problem and I consider it being defective. Where different as in "?" means it could have well been caused by the same origin. Correspondingly it was replaced by Asus direct without argueing and in fact the new monitor hadn't this issue. However it had this discussed here. I brought up the topic and placed enoug evidence for everybody to check but soon gave up due to being trolled by some fanboy (mind, I'm a S3D fanboy myself ;) ). The discussions with Asus also ended up in a "let's sit it out" dead end situation with communication being relayed between Asus Germany, aledged service in headquarter (the broken english made me tend to believe that) and me, where they claimed not to be able to reproduce that issue and in the end Asus Germany insisted that to be normal.

Which ledas us to the question:

CeeJayII said:So is this something every 120hz 3D monitor has or not?


And the clear answer I have for you is "NO!"

I have a Sammy 2233RZ and a Hannspree that both do not show this behaviour. Admittantly they both are not lightboost, but honestly, if that feature is what is used as an explanation/ excuse for this symptom I would rather call lightboost a degression.

Still, all my researches on the web lead me to the conclusion that it is at least "normal" for the Asus HE. First I was almost inclined to stick with that Asus but in the end it bothered me so much that I sold it (avoiding shipping costs and arguing with stubborn service).
What in fact bothered me more than the 3D subpixel clouding was the jaggedness in 2D on fast moving objects in high contrast scenes giving even 2D movies an "interlaced" look.

First I considered to get an "H" instead which reportedly may not show this. But burnt child dreads the fire as they say and apparently quite a few people even do not notice it or deem it normal behaviour.

So I decided on a Samsung S27A750D. Officially not supported by nvidia unfortunately. Still, it shows crisp 1:1 mapped pixels in 2D and 3D and even though I don't like glossy panels too much this is by far the best 3D monitor I have used so far. So, for multimedia consumption I can recommend this without any restrictions, gaming is a different thing though as it just works with either Tri-Def and/or more or less satisfying fumbling and tweaking.

Being one of the if not the most superior monitor for S3D out there it's a shame that nvidia cannot jump over it's own shadow and at least bring back generic 120 Hz mode for proper support or even include this into their supported list. License issues asisde this would make 3Dvision more attractive and in the end might lead to higher sales for their GFX cards. But frankly I am too desillusioned to see that happen.

#58
Posted 07/29/2013 10:21 AM   
Thanks for the response quadrophoenix. Out if curiosity, how well does your Samsung handle crosstalk vs the ASUS? Your statement brings me back to the theory that this is an issue with all matte 120hz monitor, since yours is glossy. I've seen people blaming the "3D screen door" effect on the matte coating on other sites. Now I won't waste my time RMAing my monitor. Asus got back to me with a very generic email which answered none of my questions. I sent a response to see if they will actually address the issue instead of simply stating that I have the option to RMA my monitor. It seems that both the ASUS and BenQ modles both suffer from this, which is unfortunate. Unsure what my next move will be if any.
Thanks for the response quadrophoenix. Out if curiosity, how well does your Samsung handle crosstalk vs the ASUS? Your statement brings me back to the theory that this is an issue with all matte 120hz monitor, since yours is glossy. I've seen people blaming the "3D screen door" effect on the matte coating on other sites.

Now I won't waste my time RMAing my monitor. Asus got back to me with a very generic email which answered none of my questions. I sent a response to see if they will actually address the issue instead of simply stating that I have the option to RMA my monitor. It seems that both the ASUS and BenQ modles both suffer from this, which is unfortunate. Unsure what my next move will be if any.

Gigabyte Gaming 5 Z170X, i7-6700K @ 4.4ghz, Asus GTX 2080 ti Strix OC , 16gb DDR4 Corsair Vengence 2666, LG 60uh8500 and 49ub8500 passive 4K 3D EDID, Dell S2716DG.

#59
Posted 07/29/2013 02:53 PM   
I have an Acer GD235HZ, it's not a lightboost monitor and it has this problem. I also have a Samsung S23A700D (it's glossy) that I bought prior to the Acer. The Acer was bought due to Nvidia's lack of support for the Samsung and because it was $200 on sale. While knowing of the postings by quadrophoenix and observing the checkerboard looking 3D myself, I dismissed it. It's my understanding that Checkerboard is an interlaced "only" format. So I checked my EDID for any hint of interlaced support as well as my registry for Windows updates to the EDID and found no evidence of interlaced support. So my conclusion was that it was due to pixel glow being reduced while in 3D to help with ghosting. Little did I know that pixels were indeed being switched off and not simply "dimmed" until the sub pixel pic by FlyingRocket helped me to make sense of the pics I had seen in the other thread. Anyhow, now that Nvidia supports generic CRT again, I hooked up the Samsung (glossy panel)via Dual Link DVI-D and as posted previously in this thread, it does show Checkerboard as well.
I have an Acer GD235HZ, it's not a lightboost monitor and it has this problem. I also have a Samsung S23A700D (it's glossy) that I bought prior to the Acer. The Acer was bought due to Nvidia's lack of support for the Samsung and because it was $200 on sale.

While knowing of the postings by quadrophoenix and observing the checkerboard looking 3D myself, I dismissed it. It's my understanding that Checkerboard is an interlaced "only" format. So I checked my EDID for any hint of interlaced support as well as my registry for Windows updates to the EDID and found no evidence of interlaced support. So my conclusion was that it was due to pixel glow being reduced while in 3D to help with ghosting. Little did I know that pixels were indeed being switched off and not simply "dimmed" until the sub pixel pic by FlyingRocket helped me to make sense of the pics I had seen in the other thread.

Anyhow, now that Nvidia supports generic CRT again, I hooked up the Samsung (glossy panel)via Dual Link DVI-D and as posted previously in this thread, it does show Checkerboard as well.

#60
Posted 07/29/2013 05:41 PM   
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