3DV2 options for DVI-less 1080Ti or GT1080Darbee projector?
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First time poster and apologizes in advance for not understanding this from reading existing threads.
I'm a NVidia 3D Vision 2 owner who is not tech savvy enough to navigate the sea of info well. Sometimes I see "Yes you can do this" and sometimes I see "No way can you do that same thing" so I feel a direct question to the community is my best chance at not buying the wrong thing.
I successfully used NV3DV2 with an Asus VG248QE hooked up to a GTX970, when my OS was Win7.
I now have that same monitor hooked up to a 1080Ti via HDMI, OS Win10.
The graphics card has a DP input also, but NO DVI.
I have the emitter hooked up via USB to my computer but have not connected the VESA Stereo Cable, as my understanding is that this is not necessary when using the VG248QE.
I also own a GT1080Darbee projector that I have never used for 3D.
As you have likely guessed, I'm starting to understand that this will not work. I have seen suggestions of the following, not sure if my understanding is correct:
1. I can (?) use my Vision 2 kit with the GT1080Darbee using active shutter glasses, but I suspect the 3D Vision 2 glasses are not active shutter glasses. Is that correct? Can I use the projector if I buy different glasses for it? If so, would you kindly provide a link so I don't accidentally buy the wrong ones?
2. For the VG248QE monitor (and also the projector I assume), I need a DisplayPort to DVI-D Dual-Link Adapter to connect the monitor to my GPU. Someone in a thread linked this one: https://www.amazon.com/Accell-B087B-007B-DisplayPort-Dual-Link-Adapter/dp/B002ISVI3U?th=1
That link, however, leads to a product with three options. The one selected by default is "Displayport", but there is also "MiniDisplayPort" and "DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort 3D Support".
Is the default "Displayport" version that link sends me to the one I need, or is the "DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort 3D Support" mandatory? There is a used "Displayport" for much cheaper than the option that specifically says "3D Support" and I'd like to make sure I get the right adapter, but not pay more than I need to.
I assume I will need a DP cord as well. At least those are cheap and I hear they are better than HDMI.
3. Is Win10 ok? I have seen people say yes, but wanted to ask here just in case.
4. Should I just go back to playing older games on my GTX970? All of this extra spending hurts after paying for the kit and the monitor and a new graphics card. Will the investment mean firing up 2018 games like Far Cry 5 in glorious 3D, or do I not realize the extra hurdles of games so far removed from the peak-3D days of Vision 2's release date?
Thank you if you read all of this, even if you don't reply.
First time poster and apologizes in advance for not understanding this from reading existing threads.
I'm a NVidia 3D Vision 2 owner who is not tech savvy enough to navigate the sea of info well. Sometimes I see "Yes you can do this" and sometimes I see "No way can you do that same thing" so I feel a direct question to the community is my best chance at not buying the wrong thing.
I successfully used NV3DV2 with an Asus VG248QE hooked up to a GTX970, when my OS was Win7.
I now have that same monitor hooked up to a 1080Ti via HDMI, OS Win10.
The graphics card has a DP input also, but NO DVI.
I have the emitter hooked up via USB to my computer but have not connected the VESA Stereo Cable, as my understanding is that this is not necessary when using the VG248QE.
I also own a GT1080Darbee projector that I have never used for 3D.
As you have likely guessed, I'm starting to understand that this will not work. I have seen suggestions of the following, not sure if my understanding is correct:
1. I can (?) use my Vision 2 kit with the GT1080Darbee using active shutter glasses, but I suspect the 3D Vision 2 glasses are not active shutter glasses. Is that correct? Can I use the projector if I buy different glasses for it? If so, would you kindly provide a link so I don't accidentally buy the wrong ones?
That link, however, leads to a product with three options. The one selected by default is "Displayport", but there is also "MiniDisplayPort" and "DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort 3D Support".
Is the default "Displayport" version that link sends me to the one I need, or is the "DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort 3D Support" mandatory? There is a used "Displayport" for much cheaper than the option that specifically says "3D Support" and I'd like to make sure I get the right adapter, but not pay more than I need to.
I assume I will need a DP cord as well. At least those are cheap and I hear they are better than HDMI.
3. Is Win10 ok? I have seen people say yes, but wanted to ask here just in case.
4. Should I just go back to playing older games on my GTX970? All of this extra spending hurts after paying for the kit and the monitor and a new graphics card. Will the investment mean firing up 2018 games like Far Cry 5 in glorious 3D, or do I not realize the extra hurdles of games so far removed from the peak-3D days of Vision 2's release date?
Thank you if you read all of this, even if you don't reply.
[quote="hombregatoooo"]I successfully used NV3DV2 with an Asus VG248QE hooked up to a GTX970, when my OS was Win7.
I now have that same monitor hooked up to a 1080Ti via HDMI, OS Win10. [/quote]
That monitor will not work with 3D Vision via a HDMI connection, simply use the Display Port connection.
Your 3D Vision emitter, enables 3DTV Play for free(it acts as a product key) and should work with the projector, but require that you use DLP Link glasses. That's provided that it is HDMI 1.4 compliant and capable of 3D.
If the projector has a Frame Sequential option, you could use an EDID override to make the projector work with the 3D Vision emitter and glasses at 720@120Hz.
I've no idea what you are trying to convey in question 4, but to get games to work properly in 3D, be sure to use the fixes from http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html
You do not need that adapter for any reason, assuming that you listed the correct model# of the monitor.
hombregatoooo said:I successfully used NV3DV2 with an Asus VG248QE hooked up to a GTX970, when my OS was Win7.
I now have that same monitor hooked up to a 1080Ti via HDMI, OS Win10.
That monitor will not work with 3D Vision via a HDMI connection, simply use the Display Port connection.
Your 3D Vision emitter, enables 3DTV Play for free(it acts as a product key) and should work with the projector, but require that you use DLP Link glasses. That's provided that it is HDMI 1.4 compliant and capable of 3D.
If the projector has a Frame Sequential option, you could use an EDID override to make the projector work with the 3D Vision emitter and glasses at 720@120Hz.
Thanks for replying!
Question 4 was my anxiety speaking. I hadn't looked at the Helixmod list in years. It's nice to see some titles added that weren't on there before. I guess my question was if brand new games work relatively well out of the box, or if the newer ones are less likely to perform well and more likely to require more fiddling.
Even if that were the case though, it would only be a concern to me if I had to buy a $100 adapter. If what you say is correct, about my only needing a Displayport cord, the cost is negligible.
Question 4 was my anxiety speaking. I hadn't looked at the Helixmod list in years. It's nice to see some titles added that weren't on there before. I guess my question was if brand new games work relatively well out of the box, or if the newer ones are less likely to perform well and more likely to require more fiddling.
Even if that were the case though, it would only be a concern to me if I had to buy a $100 adapter. If what you say is correct, about my only needing a Displayport cord, the cost is negligible.
Hmm, just looked at NewEgg, indeed, that monitor does not include a Display Port cable. Too bad, but that is your best solution. Be sure to read reviews and find a good one. Accell makes good ones, you can check the DP site to see what manufacturers are certified. A lot of cheap/crappy ones out there.
There are some new games that have yet to see a fix, but the majority are good to go.
Off the top of my head, Arkham Knight, Ass Syndicate, Ass Origins, Ass Unity...still need fixes and may never see one.
Hmm, just looked at NewEgg, indeed, that monitor does not include a Display Port cable. Too bad, but that is your best solution. Be sure to read reviews and find a good one. Accell makes good ones, you can check the DP site to see what manufacturers are certified. A lot of cheap/crappy ones out there.
There are some new games that have yet to see a fix, but the majority are good to go.
Off the top of my head, Arkham Knight, Ass Syndicate, Ass Origins, Ass Unity...still need fixes and may never see one.
I ordered up an Accell displayport cable last night at your suggestion. Wanted one of those anyway, before I started looking into 3D again. Really hope I can find the right pair of DLP Link glasses for the projector. There are many posts with suggestions for them, but I haven't found one specifically about the GT1080 Darbee.
Without considering Nvidia 3D Vision 2 specifically, Optoma recommends their own ZF2300 or ZD302 glasses, but I see claims that they are compatible with BC300 emitters only and I don't actually know what kind of emitter the 3DV2 is. I also see "no emitter necessary" claims for some glasses.
The GT1080Darbee is advertised as a 3D short throw gaming projector, but I haven't found discussions that specifically confirm 3DV2 use, or an EDID override specific to that projector for using the 3DV2 glasses with it.
I ordered up an Accell displayport cable last night at your suggestion. Wanted one of those anyway, before I started looking into 3D again. Really hope I can find the right pair of DLP Link glasses for the projector. There are many posts with suggestions for them, but I haven't found one specifically about the GT1080 Darbee.
Without considering Nvidia 3D Vision 2 specifically, Optoma recommends their own ZF2300 or ZD302 glasses, but I see claims that they are compatible with BC300 emitters only and I don't actually know what kind of emitter the 3DV2 is. I also see "no emitter necessary" claims for some glasses.
The GT1080Darbee is advertised as a 3D short throw gaming projector, but I haven't found discussions that specifically confirm 3DV2 use, or an EDID override specific to that projector for using the 3DV2 glasses with it.
Normally 3DVision 2 when it was released relied on dual link DVI which compared to normal DVI has enough bandwidth for 1080p120hz which gives 1080p60hz with active 3D. My GTX 980 still has a DVI port but newer models appear to be just 3DP and 1HDMI. 3D vision 2 is mostly about monitor backlight improvements which would not apply to any monitor without lightboost or when using a projector. I'm no expert but a lot of DP to DVI converters has less bandwidth than dual link DVI and would not work with a normal 3D Vision DVI monitor.
I have the luxury of having an embedded emitter making me capable of displaying 3D over both DVI and HDMI. ASUS VG278H.
With HDMI you only get 1.4 level of support meaning frame packaged 1080p24hz and 720p60hz in 3D.
GT1080Darbee seems to be a HDMI 1.4 deal when it comes to 3D and I have no idea what glasses to use. 3D Vision glasses are really unlikely. You can use the 3D Vision emitter to unlock 3DTVPlay and play games at 720p60hz using what I assume is some version of active glasses that you need to find where to buy.
To get back to 1080p60hz you need the right kind of DP -> DVI adapter which are usually not passive adapters and can be fairly expensive. At least you only need to buy it once and can reuse all your 3D Vision glasses.
I apologize if any of the above is incorrect.
Normally 3DVision 2 when it was released relied on dual link DVI which compared to normal DVI has enough bandwidth for 1080p120hz which gives 1080p60hz with active 3D. My GTX 980 still has a DVI port but newer models appear to be just 3DP and 1HDMI. 3D vision 2 is mostly about monitor backlight improvements which would not apply to any monitor without lightboost or when using a projector. I'm no expert but a lot of DP to DVI converters has less bandwidth than dual link DVI and would not work with a normal 3D Vision DVI monitor.
I have the luxury of having an embedded emitter making me capable of displaying 3D over both DVI and HDMI. ASUS VG278H.
With HDMI you only get 1.4 level of support meaning frame packaged 1080p24hz and 720p60hz in 3D.
GT1080Darbee seems to be a HDMI 1.4 deal when it comes to 3D and I have no idea what glasses to use. 3D Vision glasses are really unlikely. You can use the 3D Vision emitter to unlock 3DTVPlay and play games at 720p60hz using what I assume is some version of active glasses that you need to find where to buy.
To get back to 1080p60hz you need the right kind of DP -> DVI adapter which are usually not passive adapters and can be fairly expensive. At least you only need to buy it once and can reuse all your 3D Vision glasses.
I apologize if any of the above is incorrect.
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DSS has a pair of Optoma glasses that are crap. I'm not sure of the model. But almost every review I've seen for their glasses has been good.
Optoma includes Vesa 3 ports on their projectors, so that an Emitter can be attached. Which is awesome, because it gives another option for glasses. It would be nice, if all projector manufacturers did this. Any DLP link glasses will work as well and do not need an emitter. The sync signal is a white flash between frames
And, no, your Nvidia Vesa cable will not allow you to use the emitter with the Optoma via it's Vesa port.
DSS has a pair of Optoma glasses that are crap. I'm not sure of the model. But almost every review I've seen for their glasses has been good.
Optoma includes Vesa 3 ports on their projectors, so that an Emitter can be attached. Which is awesome, because it gives another option for glasses. It would be nice, if all projector manufacturers did this. Any DLP link glasses will work as well and do not need an emitter. The sync signal is a white flash between frames
And, no, your Nvidia Vesa cable will not allow you to use the emitter with the Optoma via it's Vesa port.
So this is what I think I understand. Please correct me if I'm wrong...
1. The pyramid emitter will unlock 3DTVPlay for free on the projector, but serves no purpose beyond that.
2. Whatever glasses I might purchase for playing games in 3D on the GT1080 Darbee projector will not be interacting with the 3D Vision 2 emitter in any way, they will be interacting with unlocked options within the projector menus, a completely different 3D experience from the 3D Vision experience.
3. Because the projector has a Vesa 3 port, this allows me to use glasses that take advantage of an emitter (but not the 3DV2 glasses, nor the 3DV2 emitter).
4. However, DLP link glasses do not need an emitter, so if the Vesa 3 port for emitter attachment is awesome, I take that to mean glasses that are not DLP link use an emitter, and would be better than DLP link? Still a bit confused on that one.
5. I can use my Asus VG248QE with 3DV2 using a DVI-less 1080Ti GPU with nothing more than a DisplayPort cable.
6. I'm confused by what Flugan wrote. I have read 1080p60hz on most projectors would be impossible, so is Flugan, when he says I need the adapter for that, switching back to the topic of the VG248QE with his last statement, after talking about the GT1080 Darbee in the statement previous? Flugan seems to think 1080p60hz is something I would need the adapter for, but I'm not sure if he means the monitor or the projector. My fault for starting a topic about both the monitor and projector, but that made it difficult to understand what Flugan is saying my options are.
So this is what I think I understand. Please correct me if I'm wrong...
1. The pyramid emitter will unlock 3DTVPlay for free on the projector, but serves no purpose beyond that.
2. Whatever glasses I might purchase for playing games in 3D on the GT1080 Darbee projector will not be interacting with the 3D Vision 2 emitter in any way, they will be interacting with unlocked options within the projector menus, a completely different 3D experience from the 3D Vision experience.
3. Because the projector has a Vesa 3 port, this allows me to use glasses that take advantage of an emitter (but not the 3DV2 glasses, nor the 3DV2 emitter).
4. However, DLP link glasses do not need an emitter, so if the Vesa 3 port for emitter attachment is awesome, I take that to mean glasses that are not DLP link use an emitter, and would be better than DLP link? Still a bit confused on that one.
5. I can use my Asus VG248QE with 3DV2 using a DVI-less 1080Ti GPU with nothing more than a DisplayPort cable.
6. I'm confused by what Flugan wrote. I have read 1080p60hz on most projectors would be impossible, so is Flugan, when he says I need the adapter for that, switching back to the topic of the VG248QE with his last statement, after talking about the GT1080 Darbee in the statement previous? Flugan seems to think 1080p60hz is something I would need the adapter for, but I'm not sure if he means the monitor or the projector. My fault for starting a topic about both the monitor and projector, but that made it difficult to understand what Flugan is saying my options are.
1. Aye, but it must remained connected to act as a product key, in which case you need not do anything. The trial for 3DTV Play and/or a serial key are only needed if you do not have an emitter. [color="orange"]The Nvidia emitter does not function when using 3DTV Play, it is inactive.[/color]
2. DLP Link glasses work very well in almost any situation, the signal bounces from the PJ, to the screen/wall, to the glasses. Sometimes if the room is too bright or if you are too far from the screen, they lose sync.
Note: You can also bounce the signal from an emitter to the wall and back. It will work well in most cases. The Nvidia emitter, projects at a slight upward angle. You can also use the wheel on the back of it to adjust depth and convergence. For convergence, "hold in" the On/Off button front on the front, while turning the wheel.
3/4. The Vesa port, gives you an option to use a Bluetoothe or RF emitter. This is good in cases where an IR emitter interferes with remotes. Nvidia's emitter is very strong on the highest setting and makes it near impossible to use a TV/AVR/PJ remote any where near it.
5. Aye, that is correct
6.3DTV Play only works via a HDMI 1.4 compliant connection using Frame Packed 720P@60 or 1080P@24. 60hz per eye input is not possible via HDMI 1.4, it does not have the bandwidth capabilities. 24Hz is too laggy for gaming, part of this is because the GPU sees that refresh as video playback and not gaming. In some dx11 games, you can get 30Hz per eye using 3DMigoto or TriDef, frames are repeated by the projector internally to reach 120 frames, so that lens flickering is not an issue.
7.With HDMI 2.0 we have been waiting for a projector that will accept and display 120Hz at 1080P. The same can be said for Display Port. But for whatever reason, there has yet to be confirmation of one via either connection at a reasonable price for consumers/gamers. There have been some available for years that will do that via Dual Link DVI, but they cost $20,0000 and up (Barco, Christie, Mirage, ....)
8. If the projector supports Frame Sequential 720P@120Hz, you can use the Nvidia emitter and glasses, but it requires that you use an EDID override.
9. Joker, a poster here, has tested non conventional resolution, to allow a higher refresh rate at less than 1080P resolutions. Search for his post, if you want to try that.
Now tell me this, does the Darbee on your PJ, simply have 3 or 4 settings? Or does it allow you to set it from 1-100, like the ones placed in-line?
1. Aye, but it must remained connected to act as a product key, in which case you need not do anything. The trial for 3DTV Play and/or a serial key are only needed if you do not have an emitter. The Nvidia emitter does not function when using 3DTV Play, it is inactive.
2. DLP Link glasses work very well in almost any situation, the signal bounces from the PJ, to the screen/wall, to the glasses. Sometimes if the room is too bright or if you are too far from the screen, they lose sync.
Note: You can also bounce the signal from an emitter to the wall and back. It will work well in most cases. The Nvidia emitter, projects at a slight upward angle. You can also use the wheel on the back of it to adjust depth and convergence. For convergence, "hold in" the On/Off button front on the front, while turning the wheel.
3/4. The Vesa port, gives you an option to use a Bluetoothe or RF emitter. This is good in cases where an IR emitter interferes with remotes. Nvidia's emitter is very strong on the highest setting and makes it near impossible to use a TV/AVR/PJ remote any where near it.
5. Aye, that is correct
6.3DTV Play only works via a HDMI 1.4 compliant connection using Frame Packed 720P@60 or 1080P@24. 60hz per eye input is not possible via HDMI 1.4, it does not have the bandwidth capabilities. 24Hz is too laggy for gaming, part of this is because the GPU sees that refresh as video playback and not gaming. In some dx11 games, you can get 30Hz per eye using 3DMigoto or TriDef, frames are repeated by the projector internally to reach 120 frames, so that lens flickering is not an issue.
7.With HDMI 2.0 we have been waiting for a projector that will accept and display 120Hz at 1080P. The same can be said for Display Port. But for whatever reason, there has yet to be confirmation of one via either connection at a reasonable price for consumers/gamers. There have been some available for years that will do that via Dual Link DVI, but they cost $20,0000 and up (Barco, Christie, Mirage, ....)
8. If the projector supports Frame Sequential 720P@120Hz, you can use the Nvidia emitter and glasses, but it requires that you use an EDID override.
9. Joker, a poster here, has tested non conventional resolution, to allow a higher refresh rate at less than 1080P resolutions. Search for his post, if you want to try that.
Now tell me this, does the Darbee on your PJ, simply have 3 or 4 settings? Or does it allow you to set it from 1-100, like the ones placed in-line?
There is no way to get 1080p60hz 3D using HDMI.
It was a bit confusing regarding projector and monitor at the same time.
From what I could tell the projector offers 1080p24hz like all HDMI 1.4 devices.
I don't have the hardware and if the projector is capable to run 1080p120hz in 2D you can use active 3D glasses frame sequential to get 1080p60hz in 3D. Would probably have to make the projector look like a 120hz monitor through modified EDID.
At this point I assume you have even more questions. 720p60hz side by side 60hz up down 60hz as well as checkeboard offers around half the pixels compared to full HD and interlaced is the same.
It was a bit confusing regarding projector and monitor at the same time.
From what I could tell the projector offers 1080p24hz like all HDMI 1.4 devices.
I don't have the hardware and if the projector is capable to run 1080p120hz in 2D you can use active 3D glasses frame sequential to get 1080p60hz in 3D. Would probably have to make the projector look like a 120hz monitor through modified EDID.
At this point I assume you have even more questions. 720p60hz side by side 60hz up down 60hz as well as checkeboard offers around half the pixels compared to full HD and interlaced is the same.
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Thank you both for replying so much!
To Flugan, that would prompt a lot more questions if I had more free time to experiment or better computer skills. In my current situation I'm ruling out modifying .inf files for EDID solutions without a paint-by-numbers resource. If it were a simple process, however, I would explore it. For example, I have found a database of EDID solutions organized by projector, but the GT1080darbee is not on that list. If it had been, that'd be another story.
To D-Man11,
1. Do you know if RF glasses are a better than DLP-Link glasses for reasons besides mitigating interference from other devices? I use the computer/projector setup in a room with no other signal sending devices except the projector remote. Having the RF option makes me want to try it, but DLP-Link would be more affordable, I think.
2. If I was correct in my understanding (That the Nvidia emitter serves no purpose as an emitter, but serves only as a license authenticator), then why do you follow that up with how the Nvidia emitter works as an emitter bouncing off a wall? That's making me think that the NVidia emitter I already own might work as an emitter for non-3DV2 glasses, like RF glasses. (If so, I assume this serves no function for DLP-Link glasses, which would not benefit from an emitter at all).
EDIT: I forgot to answer the question. The darbee has a 1-100 scale. I read a review that suggested the best # for movies and the best # for games. I just use those, even though I understand there's no "right" answer.
EDIT2: I don't know if the projector supports "Frame Sequential 720P@120Hz". I know it supports 720p, I know it supports a maximum 120Hz, and I know it lists the 3D glasses type as "Shutter" and recommends their ZF2300GLASSES RF glasses (with BC300 emitters only) and their ZD302 glasses as a DLP-Link option.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-GT1080Darbee.htm
To Flugan, that would prompt a lot more questions if I had more free time to experiment or better computer skills. In my current situation I'm ruling out modifying .inf files for EDID solutions without a paint-by-numbers resource. If it were a simple process, however, I would explore it. For example, I have found a database of EDID solutions organized by projector, but the GT1080darbee is not on that list. If it had been, that'd be another story.
To D-Man11,
1. Do you know if RF glasses are a better than DLP-Link glasses for reasons besides mitigating interference from other devices? I use the computer/projector setup in a room with no other signal sending devices except the projector remote. Having the RF option makes me want to try it, but DLP-Link would be more affordable, I think.
2. If I was correct in my understanding (That the Nvidia emitter serves no purpose as an emitter, but serves only as a license authenticator), then why do you follow that up with how the Nvidia emitter works as an emitter bouncing off a wall? That's making me think that the NVidia emitter I already own might work as an emitter for non-3DV2 glasses, like RF glasses. (If so, I assume this serves no function for DLP-Link glasses, which would not benefit from an emitter at all).
EDIT: I forgot to answer the question. The darbee has a 1-100 scale. I read a review that suggested the best # for movies and the best # for games. I just use those, even though I understand there's no "right" answer.
EDIT2: I don't know if the projector supports "Frame Sequential 720P@120Hz". I know it supports 720p, I know it supports a maximum 120Hz, and I know it lists the 3D glasses type as "Shutter" and recommends their ZF2300GLASSES RF glasses (with BC300 emitters only) and their ZD302 glasses as a DLP-Link option.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-GT1080Darbee.htm
Thanks.
I have been googling all of the things I'm asking about, but it's difficult to understand as a beginner. As a beginner, I read something that makes me think I understand X does not work with Y, but then I continue googling and see X will work with Y. And sometimes digging deeper reveals X works with Y but not in the way I was thinking it might. I get to that point sometimes after making a purchase.
For example:
You can use NVidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors.
You cannot use NVidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors
You can use Nvidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors with frame sequential support, but you cannot use Nvidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors with HDMI 1.4 frame packaged support.
It's a bit of a tangled web, but I'm learning.
I guess when you started talking about the NVidia emitter functioning for projection, you meant for a supported projector or through the EDID methods.
I have been googling all of the things I'm asking about, but it's difficult to understand as a beginner. As a beginner, I read something that makes me think I understand X does not work with Y, but then I continue googling and see X will work with Y. And sometimes digging deeper reveals X works with Y but not in the way I was thinking it might. I get to that point sometimes after making a purchase.
For example:
You can use NVidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors.
You cannot use NVidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors
You can use Nvidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors with frame sequential support, but you cannot use Nvidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors with HDMI 1.4 frame packaged support.
It's a bit of a tangled web, but I'm learning.
I guess when you started talking about the NVidia emitter functioning for projection, you meant for a supported projector or through the EDID methods.
[u][b]Projector[/b][/u]
These are the glasses I have. They will work with your projector over HDMI, if you have your emitter plugged in (it is used for software licensing only). They are comfortable and lightweight.
https://www.optoma.co.uk/product-details/zd302
Any other DLP-Link glasses will work the same way.
I believe it's possible to make your 3D Vision glasses work with the projector instead, but it is a bit hacky and DLP-Link would be the best option.
You will be limited to 1080p@24hz per eye, or 720p@60hz per eye. I highly recommend 720p, it looks fine on a projector and you won't want to game at 24fps. I have a 3D projector and 3D monitor, and do most of my 3D gaming on the projector at 720p.
[u][b]Monitor[/b][/u]
You require an [i][u]active[/u][/i] DP-DVI adaptor for this to work. See this thread for more techical information, and how to identify the a suitable adaptor. You will use your emitter and 3D Vision glasses for this.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/571045/-tutorial-review-3d-vision-on-external-monitor-using-an-active-adapter-displayport-to-dl-dvi/
These are the glasses I have. They will work with your projector over HDMI, if you have your emitter plugged in (it is used for software licensing only). They are comfortable and lightweight.
https://www.optoma.co.uk/product-details/zd302
Any other DLP-Link glasses will work the same way.
I believe it's possible to make your 3D Vision glasses work with the projector instead, but it is a bit hacky and DLP-Link would be the best option.
You will be limited to 1080p@24hz per eye, or 720p@60hz per eye. I highly recommend 720p, it looks fine on a projector and you won't want to game at 24fps. I have a 3D projector and 3D monitor, and do most of my 3D gaming on the projector at 720p.
[quote="Pirateguybrush"][u][b]Monitor[/b][/u]
You require an [i][u]active[/u][/i] DP-DVI adaptor for this to work. See this thread for more techical information, and how to identify the a suitable adaptor. You will use your emitter and 3D Vision glasses for this.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/571045/-tutorial-review-3d-vision-on-external-monitor-using-an-active-adapter-displayport-to-dl-dvi/[/quote]
That's Completely Wrong
Why would you say that he needs an adapter, if his monitor has a Display port connection/input?
If you were confused about the optional G-Sync module, it works via DP without it.
Why would you say that he needs an adapter, if his monitor has a Display port connection/input?
If you were confused about the optional G-Sync module, it works via DP without it.
I'm a NVidia 3D Vision 2 owner who is not tech savvy enough to navigate the sea of info well. Sometimes I see "Yes you can do this" and sometimes I see "No way can you do that same thing" so I feel a direct question to the community is my best chance at not buying the wrong thing.
I successfully used NV3DV2 with an Asus VG248QE hooked up to a GTX970, when my OS was Win7.
I now have that same monitor hooked up to a 1080Ti via HDMI, OS Win10.
The graphics card has a DP input also, but NO DVI.
I have the emitter hooked up via USB to my computer but have not connected the VESA Stereo Cable, as my understanding is that this is not necessary when using the VG248QE.
I also own a GT1080Darbee projector that I have never used for 3D.
As you have likely guessed, I'm starting to understand that this will not work. I have seen suggestions of the following, not sure if my understanding is correct:
1. I can (?) use my Vision 2 kit with the GT1080Darbee using active shutter glasses, but I suspect the 3D Vision 2 glasses are not active shutter glasses. Is that correct? Can I use the projector if I buy different glasses for it? If so, would you kindly provide a link so I don't accidentally buy the wrong ones?
2. For the VG248QE monitor (and also the projector I assume), I need a DisplayPort to DVI-D Dual-Link Adapter to connect the monitor to my GPU. Someone in a thread linked this one: https://www.amazon.com/Accell-B087B-007B-DisplayPort-Dual-Link-Adapter/dp/B002ISVI3U?th=1
That link, however, leads to a product with three options. The one selected by default is "Displayport", but there is also "MiniDisplayPort" and "DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort 3D Support".
Is the default "Displayport" version that link sends me to the one I need, or is the "DisplayPort/MiniDisplayPort 3D Support" mandatory? There is a used "Displayport" for much cheaper than the option that specifically says "3D Support" and I'd like to make sure I get the right adapter, but not pay more than I need to.
I assume I will need a DP cord as well. At least those are cheap and I hear they are better than HDMI.
3. Is Win10 ok? I have seen people say yes, but wanted to ask here just in case.
4. Should I just go back to playing older games on my GTX970? All of this extra spending hurts after paying for the kit and the monitor and a new graphics card. Will the investment mean firing up 2018 games like Far Cry 5 in glorious 3D, or do I not realize the extra hurdles of games so far removed from the peak-3D days of Vision 2's release date?
Thank you if you read all of this, even if you don't reply.
That monitor will not work with 3D Vision via a HDMI connection, simply use the Display Port connection.
Your 3D Vision emitter, enables 3DTV Play for free(it acts as a product key) and should work with the projector, but require that you use DLP Link glasses. That's provided that it is HDMI 1.4 compliant and capable of 3D.
If the projector has a Frame Sequential option, you could use an EDID override to make the projector work with the 3D Vision emitter and glasses at 720@120Hz.
I've no idea what you are trying to convey in question 4, but to get games to work properly in 3D, be sure to use the fixes from http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/10/game-list-automatically-updated.html
You do not need that adapter for any reason, assuming that you listed the correct model# of the monitor.
Question 4 was my anxiety speaking. I hadn't looked at the Helixmod list in years. It's nice to see some titles added that weren't on there before. I guess my question was if brand new games work relatively well out of the box, or if the newer ones are less likely to perform well and more likely to require more fiddling.
Even if that were the case though, it would only be a concern to me if I had to buy a $100 adapter. If what you say is correct, about my only needing a Displayport cord, the cost is negligible.
There are some new games that have yet to see a fix, but the majority are good to go.
Off the top of my head, Arkham Knight, Ass Syndicate, Ass Origins, Ass Unity...still need fixes and may never see one.
Without considering Nvidia 3D Vision 2 specifically, Optoma recommends their own ZF2300 or ZD302 glasses, but I see claims that they are compatible with BC300 emitters only and I don't actually know what kind of emitter the 3DV2 is. I also see "no emitter necessary" claims for some glasses.
The GT1080Darbee is advertised as a 3D short throw gaming projector, but I haven't found discussions that specifically confirm 3DV2 use, or an EDID override specific to that projector for using the 3DV2 glasses with it.
I have the luxury of having an embedded emitter making me capable of displaying 3D over both DVI and HDMI. ASUS VG278H.
With HDMI you only get 1.4 level of support meaning frame packaged 1080p24hz and 720p60hz in 3D.
GT1080Darbee seems to be a HDMI 1.4 deal when it comes to 3D and I have no idea what glasses to use. 3D Vision glasses are really unlikely. You can use the 3D Vision emitter to unlock 3DTVPlay and play games at 720p60hz using what I assume is some version of active glasses that you need to find where to buy.
To get back to 1080p60hz you need the right kind of DP -> DVI adapter which are usually not passive adapters and can be fairly expensive. At least you only need to buy it once and can reuse all your 3D Vision glasses.
I apologize if any of the above is incorrect.
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Optoma includes Vesa 3 ports on their projectors, so that an Emitter can be attached. Which is awesome, because it gives another option for glasses. It would be nice, if all projector manufacturers did this. Any DLP link glasses will work as well and do not need an emitter. The sync signal is a white flash between frames
And, no, your Nvidia Vesa cable will not allow you to use the emitter with the Optoma via it's Vesa port.
1. The pyramid emitter will unlock 3DTVPlay for free on the projector, but serves no purpose beyond that.
2. Whatever glasses I might purchase for playing games in 3D on the GT1080 Darbee projector will not be interacting with the 3D Vision 2 emitter in any way, they will be interacting with unlocked options within the projector menus, a completely different 3D experience from the 3D Vision experience.
3. Because the projector has a Vesa 3 port, this allows me to use glasses that take advantage of an emitter (but not the 3DV2 glasses, nor the 3DV2 emitter).
4. However, DLP link glasses do not need an emitter, so if the Vesa 3 port for emitter attachment is awesome, I take that to mean glasses that are not DLP link use an emitter, and would be better than DLP link? Still a bit confused on that one.
5. I can use my Asus VG248QE with 3DV2 using a DVI-less 1080Ti GPU with nothing more than a DisplayPort cable.
6. I'm confused by what Flugan wrote. I have read 1080p60hz on most projectors would be impossible, so is Flugan, when he says I need the adapter for that, switching back to the topic of the VG248QE with his last statement, after talking about the GT1080 Darbee in the statement previous? Flugan seems to think 1080p60hz is something I would need the adapter for, but I'm not sure if he means the monitor or the projector. My fault for starting a topic about both the monitor and projector, but that made it difficult to understand what Flugan is saying my options are.
2. DLP Link glasses work very well in almost any situation, the signal bounces from the PJ, to the screen/wall, to the glasses. Sometimes if the room is too bright or if you are too far from the screen, they lose sync.
Note: You can also bounce the signal from an emitter to the wall and back. It will work well in most cases. The Nvidia emitter, projects at a slight upward angle. You can also use the wheel on the back of it to adjust depth and convergence. For convergence, "hold in" the On/Off button front on the front, while turning the wheel.
3/4. The Vesa port, gives you an option to use a Bluetoothe or RF emitter. This is good in cases where an IR emitter interferes with remotes. Nvidia's emitter is very strong on the highest setting and makes it near impossible to use a TV/AVR/PJ remote any where near it.
5. Aye, that is correct
6.3DTV Play only works via a HDMI 1.4 compliant connection using Frame Packed 720P@60 or 1080P@24. 60hz per eye input is not possible via HDMI 1.4, it does not have the bandwidth capabilities. 24Hz is too laggy for gaming, part of this is because the GPU sees that refresh as video playback and not gaming. In some dx11 games, you can get 30Hz per eye using 3DMigoto or TriDef, frames are repeated by the projector internally to reach 120 frames, so that lens flickering is not an issue.
7.With HDMI 2.0 we have been waiting for a projector that will accept and display 120Hz at 1080P. The same can be said for Display Port. But for whatever reason, there has yet to be confirmation of one via either connection at a reasonable price for consumers/gamers. There have been some available for years that will do that via Dual Link DVI, but they cost $20,0000 and up (Barco, Christie, Mirage, ....)
8. If the projector supports Frame Sequential 720P@120Hz, you can use the Nvidia emitter and glasses, but it requires that you use an EDID override.
9. Joker, a poster here, has tested non conventional resolution, to allow a higher refresh rate at less than 1080P resolutions. Search for his post, if you want to try that.
Now tell me this, does the Darbee on your PJ, simply have 3 or 4 settings? Or does it allow you to set it from 1-100, like the ones placed in-line?
It was a bit confusing regarding projector and monitor at the same time.
From what I could tell the projector offers 1080p24hz like all HDMI 1.4 devices.
I don't have the hardware and if the projector is capable to run 1080p120hz in 2D you can use active 3D glasses frame sequential to get 1080p60hz in 3D. Would probably have to make the projector look like a 120hz monitor through modified EDID.
At this point I assume you have even more questions. 720p60hz side by side 60hz up down 60hz as well as checkeboard offers around half the pixels compared to full HD and interlaced is the same.
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To Flugan, that would prompt a lot more questions if I had more free time to experiment or better computer skills. In my current situation I'm ruling out modifying .inf files for EDID solutions without a paint-by-numbers resource. If it were a simple process, however, I would explore it. For example, I have found a database of EDID solutions organized by projector, but the GT1080darbee is not on that list. If it had been, that'd be another story.
To D-Man11,
1. Do you know if RF glasses are a better than DLP-Link glasses for reasons besides mitigating interference from other devices? I use the computer/projector setup in a room with no other signal sending devices except the projector remote. Having the RF option makes me want to try it, but DLP-Link would be more affordable, I think.
2. If I was correct in my understanding (That the Nvidia emitter serves no purpose as an emitter, but serves only as a license authenticator), then why do you follow that up with how the Nvidia emitter works as an emitter bouncing off a wall? That's making me think that the NVidia emitter I already own might work as an emitter for non-3DV2 glasses, like RF glasses. (If so, I assume this serves no function for DLP-Link glasses, which would not benefit from an emitter at all).
EDIT: I forgot to answer the question. The darbee has a 1-100 scale. I read a review that suggested the best # for movies and the best # for games. I just use those, even though I understand there's no "right" answer.
EDIT2: I don't know if the projector supports "Frame Sequential 720P@120Hz". I know it supports 720p, I know it supports a maximum 120Hz, and I know it lists the 3D glasses type as "Shutter" and recommends their ZF2300GLASSES RF glasses (with BC300 emitters only) and their ZD302 glasses as a DLP-Link option.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-GT1080Darbee.htm
You need to Google and read reviews.
I have been googling all of the things I'm asking about, but it's difficult to understand as a beginner. As a beginner, I read something that makes me think I understand X does not work with Y, but then I continue googling and see X will work with Y. And sometimes digging deeper reveals X works with Y but not in the way I was thinking it might. I get to that point sometimes after making a purchase.
For example:
You can use NVidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors.
You cannot use NVidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors
You can use Nvidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors with frame sequential support, but you cannot use Nvidia 3D Vision with 3D DLP projectors with HDMI 1.4 frame packaged support.
It's a bit of a tangled web, but I'm learning.
I guess when you started talking about the NVidia emitter functioning for projection, you meant for a supported projector or through the EDID methods.
These are the glasses I have. They will work with your projector over HDMI, if you have your emitter plugged in (it is used for software licensing only). They are comfortable and lightweight.
https://www.optoma.co.uk/product-details/zd302
Any other DLP-Link glasses will work the same way.
I believe it's possible to make your 3D Vision glasses work with the projector instead, but it is a bit hacky and DLP-Link would be the best option.
You will be limited to 1080p@24hz per eye, or 720p@60hz per eye. I highly recommend 720p, it looks fine on a projector and you won't want to game at 24fps. I have a 3D projector and 3D monitor, and do most of my 3D gaming on the projector at 720p.
Monitor
You require an active DP-DVI adaptor for this to work. See this thread for more techical information, and how to identify the a suitable adaptor. You will use your emitter and 3D Vision glasses for this.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/571045/-tutorial-review-3d-vision-on-external-monitor-using-an-active-adapter-displayport-to-dl-dvi/
That's Completely Wrong
Why would you say that he needs an adapter, if his monitor has a Display port connection/input?
If you were confused about the optional G-Sync module, it works via DP without it.