Is there a future for 3D Vision? (the hardware version)
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Hi,
I have an Acer Z650 3DTVPlay Projector and recognized that it has a Frame Sequential 3D Mode in the Options but it is not documented in the Manual.
I want to try if Frame Sequential maybe supports 1080p >24Hz.
Is there a way to run the projector with 3D Vision without edid override?
I have an Acer 27" 3D Vision Monitor but when I plug in both the monitor and the projector I can only selet 3DTVPlay and HDMI Checkerboard in Nvidia Control Panel.
If i have to use edid override can you recommend me a file to try?
Hi,
I have an Acer Z650 3DTVPlay Projector and recognized that it has a Frame Sequential 3D Mode in the Options but it is not documented in the Manual.
I want to try if Frame Sequential maybe supports 1080p >24Hz.
Is there a way to run the projector with 3D Vision without edid override?
I have an Acer 27" 3D Vision Monitor but when I plug in both the monitor and the projector I can only selet 3DTVPlay and HDMI Checkerboard in Nvidia Control Panel.
If i have to use edid override can you recommend me a file to try?
Frame Sequential is not offered by Nvidias 3D Vision at 1920x1080P@24Hz for a projector, it's 1280x720@120
3DTV Play will enable for free if you have a 3D Vision emitter connected, otherwise it costs $40.
The emitter acts as a product key and is disabled, this requires that you use the manufacturers glasses or compatible 3rd party glasses.
You can only use the 3D glaases with a certified 3D Vision projector or by tricking the drivers to think you have one via an EDID override.
Sorry I do not have one to recommend, look for H5360.
You can try SbS on certain games, see this thread.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/912552/3d-vision/modifying-3d-vision-to-support-sbs/
3DTV Play only outputs Frame Packed or CheckerBoard.
3D Vision I think will only output Frame Sequential to 96Hz/98Hz at 1080P. Anything above that becomes Frame Packed.
I'm not certain about this, but in tests that I did in the past, this was the case.
It may have changed.
But in a game with Native Stereoscopic support, there no such limitation. Example: Doom 3 BFG
My tests were using a HDMI 1.3 projector that could not demux Frame Packed.
And another nail in the coffin, probably the last one:
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-kaby-lake-and-amds-zen-processors-will-only-support-windows-10/
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.
Well I guess Intel and Amd do not want to sell processors it hard enough to justify a 8-10 % over less generation at $340.00 now another hurdle user's want to upgrade with a older OS will have to paid roughly $90 for a Windows 10 license.
Stupid move for both party's excluding all other OSes
Also will the new processors work on Linux I see Windows 10 only ?
Mac's use intel chips
I bet this is a bios thing which hopefully so one will hack.
Well I guess Intel and Amd do not want to sell processors it hard enough to justify a 8-10 % over less generation at $340.00 now another hurdle user's want to upgrade with a older OS will have to paid roughly $90 for a Windows 10 license.
Stupid move for both party's excluding all other OSes
Also will the new processors work on Linux I see Windows 10 only ?
Mac's use intel chips
I bet this is a bios thing which hopefully so one will hack.
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
[quote="Zappologist"]And another nail in the coffin, probably the last one:
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-kaby-lake-and-amds-zen-processors-will-only-support-windows-10/
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.[/quote]
Anniversary crap is just that...crap.
You can still roll back to the previous build though;)
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.
Anniversary crap is just that...crap.
You can still roll back to the previous build though;)
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
[quote="Zappologist"]And another nail in the coffin, probably the last one:
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-kaby-lake-and-amds-zen-processors-will-only-support-windows-10/
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.[/quote]
I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I'm not sure this is a big deal. This is written with a fear-mongering style, by saying that only Windows 10 will support new processors- but the real question is what processor will Windows 7 support. If you plug in a Kaby Lake, and run Windows 7, what happens?
As a general rule, new CPUs bring in new extended instruction sets, and those new instruction sets will never be supported in Windows 7. But also generally, those extra instructions are useless and stupid, with only a handful of exceptions.
As a rule, Windows 7 supports everything it can, and tries very hard for backwards compatibility. Microsoft has apparently changed policy, and is now attempting to break compatibility, which has been their only strength in the market. If I can't run old stuff, I'm sure as hell not running Windows.
Windows 7 has supported AMD processors for example. So, unless the CPUs do something totally weird, I can't see Windows 7 not supporting the new CPUs. Keeping in mind also that Intel is no friend of Microsoft, that ship sailed a long time ago.
Drivers might be a problem, if there is something weird with the CPU, but again I can't see anything the CPU would do specifically that would require a driver change. But maybe- the chipset comes along with a CPU, and Intel could decide to skip making a Win7 driver, although that would impact their sales.
I'm not super worried. Moore's Law is dead. The next CPU has no prayer of giving us more than 10% anyway, but it would be appropriate to upgrade to Skylake before they remove all available product.
If they succeed in this gambit, and it does force Win10- in other words if you and I allow them to ram this down our throats, then I for one am done with any future PC gaming. The ONLY reason I use Windows.
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.
I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I'm not sure this is a big deal. This is written with a fear-mongering style, by saying that only Windows 10 will support new processors- but the real question is what processor will Windows 7 support. If you plug in a Kaby Lake, and run Windows 7, what happens?
As a general rule, new CPUs bring in new extended instruction sets, and those new instruction sets will never be supported in Windows 7. But also generally, those extra instructions are useless and stupid, with only a handful of exceptions.
As a rule, Windows 7 supports everything it can, and tries very hard for backwards compatibility. Microsoft has apparently changed policy, and is now attempting to break compatibility, which has been their only strength in the market. If I can't run old stuff, I'm sure as hell not running Windows.
Windows 7 has supported AMD processors for example. So, unless the CPUs do something totally weird, I can't see Windows 7 not supporting the new CPUs. Keeping in mind also that Intel is no friend of Microsoft, that ship sailed a long time ago.
Drivers might be a problem, if there is something weird with the CPU, but again I can't see anything the CPU would do specifically that would require a driver change. But maybe- the chipset comes along with a CPU, and Intel could decide to skip making a Win7 driver, although that would impact their sales.
I'm not super worried. Moore's Law is dead. The next CPU has no prayer of giving us more than 10% anyway, but it would be appropriate to upgrade to Skylake before they remove all available product.
If they succeed in this gambit, and it does force Win10- in other words if you and I allow them to ram this down our throats, then I for one am done with any future PC gaming. The ONLY reason I use Windows.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Did read only the last page but Are you saying new Intel cpus Are propably working only on win10 and beyond ?
I still win7 on my 3d rack and i don't see any reason to upgrade to win10 untill major of games Are dx12 or Something other giving much performance boost over win7.
Did read only the last page but Are you saying new Intel cpus Are propably working only on win10 and beyond ?
I still win7 on my 3d rack and i don't see any reason to upgrade to win10 untill major of games Are dx12 or Something other giving much performance boost over win7.
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I7-8700k@stock
TitanX pascal with shitty stock cooler
Win7/10
Video: Passive 3D fullhd 3D@60hz/channel Denon x1200w /Hc5 x 2 Geobox501->eeColorBoxes->polarizers/omega filttersCustom made silverscreen
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Interests/skills:
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Thanks Helifax, did not know, I'll try to see how to revert, and check if WOW works.
Thanks Bo3b for your thoughts, although even your comments which could be seen as trying to temper my fears conclude in a recommendation to upgrade now. Which is what I am leaning towards.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about CPU technology, but sometimes I read articles and see that Intel has more than one line of processors, like for consumers versus professionals/servers (Haswell/Broadwell, whatever, a little Chinese to me, which coexsist with Skylake now anyway), and I wonder if they can really afford to pull off this heinous trick, considering the slow adoption rate of enterprises.
Is it maybe conceivable that there will always be a CPU branch that will have broader support? Seeing the abysmal single thread performance of any Intel CPU family, if such a scenario existed I don't think it would matter much for gaming to chose let's say the next Haswell over Cannonlake. If you see what I mean.
One can only hope, but I still need to know what to do about my upgrade. Games play awesomely on my aging rig, but some of them stutter like mad, inexplicably, and in view of your recent comments about RAM clock importance, RAM size, and other factors, waiting for Cannonlake looks less and less like the big bang upgrade I was imagining. Probably upgrading now would reap impressive results already, and could delay the agony of the "Win 10 support only" debacle, until I die of old age or outgrow gaming. I imagine some sweet deals on the powerful Skylakes would be available, once Kaby Lake hits.
Thanks Helifax, did not know, I'll try to see how to revert, and check if WOW works.
Thanks Bo3b for your thoughts, although even your comments which could be seen as trying to temper my fears conclude in a recommendation to upgrade now. Which is what I am leaning towards.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about CPU technology, but sometimes I read articles and see that Intel has more than one line of processors, like for consumers versus professionals/servers (Haswell/Broadwell, whatever, a little Chinese to me, which coexsist with Skylake now anyway), and I wonder if they can really afford to pull off this heinous trick, considering the slow adoption rate of enterprises.
Is it maybe conceivable that there will always be a CPU branch that will have broader support? Seeing the abysmal single thread performance of any Intel CPU family, if such a scenario existed I don't think it would matter much for gaming to chose let's say the next Haswell over Cannonlake. If you see what I mean.
One can only hope, but I still need to know what to do about my upgrade. Games play awesomely on my aging rig, but some of them stutter like mad, inexplicably, and in view of your recent comments about RAM clock importance, RAM size, and other factors, waiting for Cannonlake looks less and less like the big bang upgrade I was imagining. Probably upgrading now would reap impressive results already, and could delay the agony of the "Win 10 support only" debacle, until I die of old age or outgrow gaming. I imagine some sweet deals on the powerful Skylakes would be available, once Kaby Lake hits.
sweet deals on the powerful Skylakes would be available
No true at all devil canyon still retails for $339
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Processors+-+Desktops-_-N82E16819117369&gclid=CIG7nLDi8M4CFcNehgod9HwNKw&gclsrc=aw.ds
I don't think there is necessarily any rush to get into Skylake. They won't manage those chips out until sometime next year or later, when they move to Kaby. Intel always manages their distribution chain very carefully though, I'd also be surprised to see any deals on chips.
But, I think it's worth waiting, unless you really need something new now. This whole force-feeding the customers has not worked well for Microsoft in other realms, so it's possible they may back down here. (XBone- no discs, except they backed down) Or it may be a no-op relative to the new chips. Too early to say for certain whether it's an actual impact, or just the usual fear/uncertainty/doubt that comprises damn near everything on the internet.
I don't think there is necessarily any rush to get into Skylake. They won't manage those chips out until sometime next year or later, when they move to Kaby. Intel always manages their distribution chain very carefully though, I'd also be surprised to see any deals on chips.
But, I think it's worth waiting, unless you really need something new now. This whole force-feeding the customers has not worked well for Microsoft in other realms, so it's possible they may back down here. (XBone- no discs, except they backed down) Or it may be a no-op relative to the new chips. Too early to say for certain whether it's an actual impact, or just the usual fear/uncertainty/doubt that comprises damn near everything on the internet.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607 Latest 3Dmigoto Release Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
Helifax, I cannot revert from AU cause 10 days have passed. Microshaft shafted me again, I won't reinstall Windows just to see if that was the issue with WOW
Zig/Bo3b,
Thanks, I had no idea that CPUs don't have the same stock dynamics as GPUs but it makes sense I guess, we rarely change CPUs while video cards are almost like off the shelf consumer products nowadays, come in different colours and sometimes are bundled with perfume samples or ankle bracelets :-)
Waiting is what I had planned to do, indeed. Maybe they back down, although I think it's a slim chance. Would they bother to announce this if it was not decided yet? I think they even got Intel to confirm the news. Also, I admit I did not dig too far into the tech websites, but I don't see any consumer outrage at all, for the moment. Looks like Windows 10 got accepted, the human race being what we are :-)
Helifax, I cannot revert from AU cause 10 days have passed. Microshaft shafted me again, I won't reinstall Windows just to see if that was the issue with WOW
Zig/Bo3b,
Thanks, I had no idea that CPUs don't have the same stock dynamics as GPUs but it makes sense I guess, we rarely change CPUs while video cards are almost like off the shelf consumer products nowadays, come in different colours and sometimes are bundled with perfume samples or ankle bracelets :-)
Waiting is what I had planned to do, indeed. Maybe they back down, although I think it's a slim chance. Would they bother to announce this if it was not decided yet? I think they even got Intel to confirm the news. Also, I admit I did not dig too far into the tech websites, but I don't see any consumer outrage at all, for the moment. Looks like Windows 10 got accepted, the human race being what we are :-)
[quote="Zappologist"]Helifax, I cannot revert from AU cause 10 days have passed. Microshaft shafted me again, I won't reinstall Windows just to see if that was the issue with WOW
[/quote]
Damn:( In that case yeah...you can only re-install an older build unfortunately:(
Zappologist said:Helifax, I cannot revert from AU cause 10 days have passed. Microshaft shafted me again, I won't reinstall Windows just to see if that was the issue with WOW
Damn:( In that case yeah...you can only re-install an older build unfortunately:(
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
[quote="helifax"][quote="Zappologist"]Helifax, I cannot revert from AU cause 10 days have passed. Microshaft shafted me again, I won't reinstall Windows just to see if that was the issue with WOW
[/quote]
Damn:( In that case yeah...you can only re-install an older build unfortunately:([/quote]
User's should start using a disk imaging software to prevent the above. Very simple to reimage a computer don't trust Microsoft's roll back system.
Here is a link for free disk imaging software
http://www.backup-utility.com/
Zappologist said:Helifax, I cannot revert from AU cause 10 days have passed. Microshaft shafted me again, I won't reinstall Windows just to see if that was the issue with WOW
Damn:( In that case yeah...you can only re-install an older build unfortunately:(
User's should start using a disk imaging software to prevent the above. Very simple to reimage a computer don't trust Microsoft's roll back system.
I have an Acer Z650 3DTVPlay Projector and recognized that it has a Frame Sequential 3D Mode in the Options but it is not documented in the Manual.
I want to try if Frame Sequential maybe supports 1080p >24Hz.
Is there a way to run the projector with 3D Vision without edid override?
I have an Acer 27" 3D Vision Monitor but when I plug in both the monitor and the projector I can only selet 3DTVPlay and HDMI Checkerboard in Nvidia Control Panel.
If i have to use edid override can you recommend me a file to try?
GTX 1080, i7 7700k, 16GB RAM @3200MHz, Win7
3DTVPlay @ ACER Predator Z650
3DTV Play will enable for free if you have a 3D Vision emitter connected, otherwise it costs $40.
The emitter acts as a product key and is disabled, this requires that you use the manufacturers glasses or compatible 3rd party glasses.
You can only use the 3D glaases with a certified 3D Vision projector or by tricking the drivers to think you have one via an EDID override.
Sorry I do not have one to recommend, look for H5360.
You can try SbS on certain games, see this thread.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/912552/3d-vision/modifying-3d-vision-to-support-sbs/
GTX 1080, i7 7700k, 16GB RAM @3200MHz, Win7
3DTVPlay @ ACER Predator Z650
3D Vision I think will only output Frame Sequential to 96Hz/98Hz at 1080P. Anything above that becomes Frame Packed.
I'm not certain about this, but in tests that I did in the past, this was the case.
It may have changed.
But in a game with Native Stereoscopic support, there no such limitation. Example: Doom 3 BFG
My tests were using a HDMI 1.3 projector that could not demux Frame Packed.
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-kaby-lake-and-amds-zen-processors-will-only-support-windows-10/
Gonna cry myself to sleep tonight, someone hold my hand ...
WOW no longer works on my Win 10 laptop, critical error, after the Anniversary edition. My wife's laptop, bought at the same time, was not yet updated (go figure why). Tried WOW on her laptop, still works. And that's just a silly game, in 2D. But of course my gripe is about the future of 3D. I was just thinking that I wanted to upgrade my system, and that Cannonlake would be probably a good time to do it. But I am getting too old ... I don't think my internal organs will ever accept gaming on Win 10.
Stupid move for both party's excluding all other OSes
Also will the new processors work on Linux I see Windows 10 only ?
Mac's use intel chips
I bet this is a bios thing which hopefully so one will hack.
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55
Anniversary crap is just that...crap.
You can still roll back to the previous build though;)
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
My website with my fixes and OpenGL to 3D Vision wrapper:
http://3dsurroundgaming.com
(If you like some of the stuff that I've done and want to donate something, you can do it with PayPal at tavyhome@gmail.com)
I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I'm not sure this is a big deal. This is written with a fear-mongering style, by saying that only Windows 10 will support new processors- but the real question is what processor will Windows 7 support. If you plug in a Kaby Lake, and run Windows 7, what happens?
As a general rule, new CPUs bring in new extended instruction sets, and those new instruction sets will never be supported in Windows 7. But also generally, those extra instructions are useless and stupid, with only a handful of exceptions.
As a rule, Windows 7 supports everything it can, and tries very hard for backwards compatibility. Microsoft has apparently changed policy, and is now attempting to break compatibility, which has been their only strength in the market. If I can't run old stuff, I'm sure as hell not running Windows.
Windows 7 has supported AMD processors for example. So, unless the CPUs do something totally weird, I can't see Windows 7 not supporting the new CPUs. Keeping in mind also that Intel is no friend of Microsoft, that ship sailed a long time ago.
Drivers might be a problem, if there is something weird with the CPU, but again I can't see anything the CPU would do specifically that would require a driver change. But maybe- the chipset comes along with a CPU, and Intel could decide to skip making a Win7 driver, although that would impact their sales.
I'm not super worried. Moore's Law is dead. The next CPU has no prayer of giving us more than 10% anyway, but it would be appropriate to upgrade to Skylake before they remove all available product.
If they succeed in this gambit, and it does force Win10- in other words if you and I allow them to ram this down our throats, then I for one am done with any future PC gaming. The ONLY reason I use Windows.
Acer H5360 (1280x720@120Hz) - ASUS VG248QE with GSync mod - 3D Vision 1&2 - Driver 372.54
GTX 970 - i5-4670K@4.2GHz - 12GB RAM - Win7x64+evilKB2670838 - 4 Disk X25 RAID
SAGER NP9870-S - GTX 980 - i7-6700K - Win10 Pro 1607
Latest 3Dmigoto Release
Bo3b's School for ShaderHackers
I still win7 on my 3d rack and i don't see any reason to upgrade to win10 untill major of games Are dx12 or Something other giving much performance boost over win7.
CoreX9 Custom watercooling (valkswagen polo radiator)
I7-8700k@stock
TitanX pascal with shitty stock cooler
Win7/10
Video: Passive 3D fullhd 3D@60hz/channel Denon x1200w /Hc5 x 2 Geobox501->eeColorBoxes->polarizers/omega filttersCustom made silverscreen
Ocupation: Enterprenior.Painting/surfacing/constructions
Interests/skills:
3D gaming,3D movies, 3D printing,Drums, Bass and guitar.
Suomi - FINLAND - perkele
Thanks Bo3b for your thoughts, although even your comments which could be seen as trying to temper my fears conclude in a recommendation to upgrade now. Which is what I am leaning towards.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about CPU technology, but sometimes I read articles and see that Intel has more than one line of processors, like for consumers versus professionals/servers (Haswell/Broadwell, whatever, a little Chinese to me, which coexsist with Skylake now anyway), and I wonder if they can really afford to pull off this heinous trick, considering the slow adoption rate of enterprises.
Is it maybe conceivable that there will always be a CPU branch that will have broader support? Seeing the abysmal single thread performance of any Intel CPU family, if such a scenario existed I don't think it would matter much for gaming to chose let's say the next Haswell over Cannonlake. If you see what I mean.
One can only hope, but I still need to know what to do about my upgrade. Games play awesomely on my aging rig, but some of them stutter like mad, inexplicably, and in view of your recent comments about RAM clock importance, RAM size, and other factors, waiting for Cannonlake looks less and less like the big bang upgrade I was imagining. Probably upgrading now would reap impressive results already, and could delay the agony of the "Win 10 support only" debacle, until I die of old age or outgrow gaming. I imagine some sweet deals on the powerful Skylakes would be available, once Kaby Lake hits.
No true at all devil canyon still retails for $339
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Processors+-+Desktops-_-N82E16819117369&gclid=CIG7nLDi8M4CFcNehgod9HwNKw&gclsrc=aw.ds
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But, I think it's worth waiting, unless you really need something new now. This whole force-feeding the customers has not worked well for Microsoft in other realms, so it's possible they may back down here. (XBone- no discs, except they backed down) Or it may be a no-op relative to the new chips. Too early to say for certain whether it's an actual impact, or just the usual fear/uncertainty/doubt that comprises damn near everything on the internet.
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Thanks, I had no idea that CPUs don't have the same stock dynamics as GPUs but it makes sense I guess, we rarely change CPUs while video cards are almost like off the shelf consumer products nowadays, come in different colours and sometimes are bundled with perfume samples or ankle bracelets :-)
Waiting is what I had planned to do, indeed. Maybe they back down, although I think it's a slim chance. Would they bother to announce this if it was not decided yet? I think they even got Intel to confirm the news. Also, I admit I did not dig too far into the tech websites, but I don't see any consumer outrage at all, for the moment. Looks like Windows 10 got accepted, the human race being what we are :-)
Damn:( In that case yeah...you can only re-install an older build unfortunately:(
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Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
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- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
- Raid 0 - WD Black - 2TB.
- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
etc
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User's should start using a disk imaging software to prevent the above. Very simple to reimage a computer don't trust Microsoft's roll back system.
Here is a link for free disk imaging software
http://www.backup-utility.com/
Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7 32GB Ram i9-9900K GigaByte Aorus Extreme Gaming 2080TI (single) Game Blaster Z Windows 10 X64 build #17763.195 Define R6 Blackout Case Corsair H110i GTX Sandisk 1TB (OS) SanDisk 2TB SSD (Games) Seagate EXOs 8 and 12 TB drives Samsung UN46c7000 HD TV Samsung UN55HU9000 UHD TVCurrently using ACER PASSIVE EDID override on 3D TVs LG 55