[quote="GibsonRed"]I'll try selling it on eBay Helifax if I do decide to upgrade. Was debating whether to put the stock cooler back on or not. Cheers for the advice.
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I basically asked the buyer/or given them the opportunity to ask if they want the stock cooler mounted back:) The buyer didn't;) The waterblock was installed on the card, and I packed the stock-cooler in the box as well;)
So, I sold the full package;) If they later decide they want the stock cooler they have it and can mount it;) (don't forget the original screws as well ^_^). I like to keep the original packages of all the hardware I buy (including the plastic caps for the connectors and so on) in case I decide to sell it later;) And I know people always like when opening a package, the product to be "shiny" ;)
So, I tried to keep that feeling intact;)
GibsonRed said:I'll try selling it on eBay Helifax if I do decide to upgrade. Was debating whether to put the stock cooler back on or not. Cheers for the advice.
I basically asked the buyer/or given them the opportunity to ask if they want the stock cooler mounted back:) The buyer didn't;) The waterblock was installed on the card, and I packed the stock-cooler in the box as well;)
So, I sold the full package;) If they later decide they want the stock cooler they have it and can mount it;) (don't forget the original screws as well ^_^). I like to keep the original packages of all the hardware I buy (including the plastic caps for the connectors and so on) in case I decide to sell it later;) And I know people always like when opening a package, the product to be "shiny" ;)
So, I tried to keep that feeling intact;)
1x Palit RTX 2080Ti Pro Gaming OC(watercooled and overclocked to hell)
3x 3D Vision Ready Asus VG278HE monitors (5760x1080).
Intel i9 9900K (overclocked to 5.3 and watercooled ofc).
Asus Maximus XI Hero Mobo.
16 GB Team Group T-Force Dark Pro DDR4 @ 3600.
Lots of Disks:
- Raid 0 - 256GB Sandisk Extreme SSD.
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- SanDisk SSD PLUS 480 GB.
- Intel 760p 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD.
Creative Sound Blaster Z.
Windows 10 x64 Pro.
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Those 1070 benchmarks look great, and a significant step above my SLI 970 setup (well single 970 now, as I sold one last week). I was looking at the 1080 to start with, but now I'm not convinced it's worth the extra money.
I won't be going SLI this generation unless I start hearing reports of significant performance gains. Too many recent titles haven't received a really significant boost from it, and I'm sick of half my GPU power/money going to waste.
Those 1070 benchmarks look great, and a significant step above my SLI 970 setup (well single 970 now, as I sold one last week). I was looking at the 1080 to start with, but now I'm not convinced it's worth the extra money.
I won't be going SLI this generation unless I start hearing reports of significant performance gains. Too many recent titles haven't received a really significant boost from it, and I'm sick of half my GPU power/money going to waste.
[quote="Pirateguybrush"]Those 1070 benchmarks look great, and a significant step above my SLI 970 setup (well single 970 now, as I sold one last week). I was looking at the 1080 to start with, but now I'm not convinced it's worth the extra money.
I won't be going SLI this generation unless I start hearing reports of significant performance gains. Too many recent titles haven't received a really significant boost from it, and I'm sick of half my GPU power/money going to waste.[/quote]
I'm in the same boat as you, though now I'm not so sure...
[img]https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/images/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-3840x2160-2-way-sli-scaling.png[/img]
1080 SLi is double the performance of a 970 SLi. 1070 SLi is only ~60% increase in performance. It hardly seems worth it. Going from a 970 SLi to a single 1070 would be more of a "side-grade" imo. Perhaps you might want to wait for a single 1080 Ti to come out?
I was excited about a 1070 SLi, but am disappointed in the performance increase I see relative to the price tag.
$ per frame for the 1080 is "only" 25% more, it just makes financial sense to get a 1080 SLi in the UK if considering holistically the value of the product rather than the price alone. That would be almost exactly double the performance of the current 970 SLi setup @ £1100, but we can play Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 in Stereo3D @ >minimum 60fps.
Pirateguybrush said:Those 1070 benchmarks look great, and a significant step above my SLI 970 setup (well single 970 now, as I sold one last week). I was looking at the 1080 to start with, but now I'm not convinced it's worth the extra money.
I won't be going SLI this generation unless I start hearing reports of significant performance gains. Too many recent titles haven't received a really significant boost from it, and I'm sick of half my GPU power/money going to waste.
I'm in the same boat as you, though now I'm not so sure...
1080 SLi is double the performance of a 970 SLi. 1070 SLi is only ~60% increase in performance. It hardly seems worth it. Going from a 970 SLi to a single 1070 would be more of a "side-grade" imo. Perhaps you might want to wait for a single 1080 Ti to come out?
I was excited about a 1070 SLi, but am disappointed in the performance increase I see relative to the price tag.
$ per frame for the 1080 is "only" 25% more, it just makes financial sense to get a 1080 SLi in the UK if considering holistically the value of the product rather than the price alone. That would be almost exactly double the performance of the current 970 SLi setup @ £1100, but we can play Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 in Stereo3D @ >minimum 60fps.
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[quote="RAGEdemon"]$ per frame for the 1080 is "only" 25% more, it just makes financial sense to get a 1080 SLi in the UK if considering holistically the value of the product rather than the price alone. That would be almost exactly double the performance of the current 970 SLi setup @ £1100, but we can play Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 in Stereo3D @ >minimum 60fps.[/quote]
Wouldn't a single 1080 be able to handle that? Benchmarks I've seen show it getting around 60fps minimum for both those titles at 1440p Ultra. Doesn't 1080p 3D have about the same performance cost?
Edit: Just noticed you are DSRing from 2560x1600. Nice! But yeah, maybe you need two 1080s for that :D
RAGEdemon said:$ per frame for the 1080 is "only" 25% more, it just makes financial sense to get a 1080 SLi in the UK if considering holistically the value of the product rather than the price alone. That would be almost exactly double the performance of the current 970 SLi setup @ £1100, but we can play Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 in Stereo3D @ >minimum 60fps.
Wouldn't a single 1080 be able to handle that? Benchmarks I've seen show it getting around 60fps minimum for both those titles at 1440p Ultra. Doesn't 1080p 3D have about the same performance cost?
Edit: Just noticed you are DSRing from 2560x1600. Nice! But yeah, maybe you need two 1080s for that :D
Most benchmarks I've seen have the 1070 beating the 970 by quite a hefty margin - I've not seen it directly compared to 970 SLI, but given many modern games get only a moderate boost from SLI (or often none at all), wouldn't a 1070 be a significant step up? Or have I missed something?
I can't see myself going for SLI 1080, because I just don't hate money that much.
Most benchmarks I've seen have the 1070 beating the 970 by quite a hefty margin - I've not seen it directly compared to 970 SLI, but given many modern games get only a moderate boost from SLI (or often none at all), wouldn't a 1070 be a significant step up? Or have I missed something?
I can't see myself going for SLI 1080, because I just don't hate money that much.
Here are some SLI 1080 benchmarks. To my eyes, that's absolute rubbish considering the price of a second one. Is that chart you posted an official one? You don't have a source on it, but I'd take real world benchmarks over nVidia's marketing department.
http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-preview-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-sli-benchmarked
I agree with Helifax's early post which suggests it's probably only worth the upgrade for 7 series or older owners (and possibly excluding the 780) at this stage. This would include myself, with a lowly 760.
What I need to see first, however, is a full comparison of the GTX 1070, 980Ti and 1080 and some stable price points for each to generate a price to performance ratio.
I've actually got a feeling that the 980Tis will come out on top, for a limited time, as they are phased out - and especially if you can find one with a decent cooler or even watercooler.
I agree with Helifax's early post which suggests it's probably only worth the upgrade for 7 series or older owners (and possibly excluding the 780) at this stage. This would include myself, with a lowly 760.
What I need to see first, however, is a full comparison of the GTX 1070, 980Ti and 1080 and some stable price points for each to generate a price to performance ratio.
I've actually got a feeling that the 980Tis will come out on top, for a limited time, as they are phased out - and especially if you can find one with a decent cooler or even watercooler.
After seeing a few 1070 benchmarks, now I'm not so sure about buying a 1080.
The 1080 performance is ideally what I want (I may want even more :p), and the 1070 performance is the minimum I want.
Now I have a 1440p monitor, so my needs have increased (3D at 2560x1440 looks sooo good, and now 1080p looks a bit low res to me :p).
But the european prices are really high this time. The 980 cost 550€ and the 970 cost 350€ at release date. Now the 1080 (non FE) will be around 700€ and the 1070 will be >420€.
After seeing a few 1070 benchmarks, now I'm not so sure about buying a 1080.
The 1080 performance is ideally what I want (I may want even more :p), and the 1070 performance is the minimum I want.
Now I have a 1440p monitor, so my needs have increased (3D at 2560x1440 looks sooo good, and now 1080p looks a bit low res to me :p).
But the european prices are really high this time. The 980 cost 550€ and the 970 cost 350€ at release date. Now the 1080 (non FE) will be around 700€ and the 1070 will be >420€.
After carefully reviewing the benchmarks I'll be sticking to my current configuration until the inevitable 1080 class titan or ti comes out when I'll probably drop to a single card solution.
After carefully reviewing the benchmarks I'll be sticking to my current configuration until the inevitable 1080 class titan or ti comes out when I'll probably drop to a single card solution.
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Indeed those are nvidia benchmarks in my above post.
But 3rd party benchmarks also have to be taken with a grain of salt.
1a. GTX 9XX series shows exactly the same scaling in those games and scenareos. So, if you were happy enough with 970 SLi, then you should be exactly as happy with the SLi in the 1XXX series.
b. 970 SLi is pretty much exactly on par with a 980 Ti, which is about on par with a 1070 therefore 970 SLi = 980 Ti = 1070. Upgrading from a 970 SLi to a single 1070 indeed would be a side grade.
Check out the 970 SLi vs 980 Ti benchmarks here:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2246-gtx-970-sli-vs-gtx-980-ti
2. We have to be careful when we look at benchmark resolutions. As we all know, 3D Vision decreases the FPS by 35% to 50%. We therefore need look at benchmarks for double the resolution than what we normally play at. Interestingly, it is on these high resolutions that SLi shines, and why 3D Vision has always scaled so well with SLi.
Here are 2 benchmark sites which deal with SLi specifically with 3D Vision:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-480-3-way-sli-crossfire,review-31886-12.html
http://www.volnapc.com/all-posts/3d-and-sli-performance-tested
As I have said before, speaking solely on price is useless anywhere as money alone is a completely different kettle of fish from person to person.
A better approach would be to speak purely of the value before considering the price.
On one side, someone can say "wow, you are a moron for spending £1200 / $1400 on some stupid computer component" (and then would go out and purchase the equivelent amount of designer clothes, or nights on the town over the next few months, or even a 1 week holiday; all of which society would deem 'acceptable').
Someone like me would rather say "well, chaps, we know that the vast majority of games today are developed for the console market, where the next-next-gen consoles won't start appearing for years to come. This means that for the next 5 years or so, game performance requirements won't increase by any significant margin. What if I were to tell you that by spending £1200 / $1400 now, you will get Minimum 60fps on all games with 3D Vision for the next x number of years? You spend your entire day working your ass off to spend a few hours a day with the hobby that you love. Wouldn't you rather have perfectly fluid gameplay over those precious few hours?"
It's an investment into yourself. How much do you value your free time?
I am personally undecided. I'll have to wait for the 1070 / 1080 prices to stabilise over the next month or so before calculating the price per frame.
Current price-per-frame estimates are not viable due to the fact that founder's edition cards are not that great, and general price-gouging from scalpers.
[img]http://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2016/5/ee656926-6aae-47eb-8b19-e1be99068f4d.png [/img]
Indeed those are nvidia benchmarks in my above post.
But 3rd party benchmarks also have to be taken with a grain of salt.
1a. GTX 9XX series shows exactly the same scaling in those games and scenareos. So, if you were happy enough with 970 SLi, then you should be exactly as happy with the SLi in the 1XXX series.
b. 970 SLi is pretty much exactly on par with a 980 Ti, which is about on par with a 1070 therefore 970 SLi = 980 Ti = 1070. Upgrading from a 970 SLi to a single 1070 indeed would be a side grade.
2. We have to be careful when we look at benchmark resolutions. As we all know, 3D Vision decreases the FPS by 35% to 50%. We therefore need look at benchmarks for double the resolution than what we normally play at. Interestingly, it is on these high resolutions that SLi shines, and why 3D Vision has always scaled so well with SLi.
As I have said before, speaking solely on price is useless anywhere as money alone is a completely different kettle of fish from person to person.
A better approach would be to speak purely of the value before considering the price.
On one side, someone can say "wow, you are a moron for spending £1200 / $1400 on some stupid computer component" (and then would go out and purchase the equivelent amount of designer clothes, or nights on the town over the next few months, or even a 1 week holiday; all of which society would deem 'acceptable').
Someone like me would rather say "well, chaps, we know that the vast majority of games today are developed for the console market, where the next-next-gen consoles won't start appearing for years to come. This means that for the next 5 years or so, game performance requirements won't increase by any significant margin. What if I were to tell you that by spending £1200 / $1400 now, you will get Minimum 60fps on all games with 3D Vision for the next x number of years? You spend your entire day working your ass off to spend a few hours a day with the hobby that you love. Wouldn't you rather have perfectly fluid gameplay over those precious few hours?"
It's an investment into yourself. How much do you value your free time?
I am personally undecided. I'll have to wait for the 1070 / 1080 prices to stabilise over the next month or so before calculating the price per frame.
Current price-per-frame estimates are not viable due to the fact that founder's edition cards are not that great, and general price-gouging from scalpers.
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TBH I'd be more worried about current cards then price fluctuating for 1000 series since I don't see that happening any time soon unless your in a region that get charged all types of fees on top. [That is if you sell old cards]. I'd commit to skipping or commit to buying within a very short time.
A 980 is still in $450+ new but its close to half the framerate of a 1080.
A 980 used is stil $350ish in my region and a 1070 starts at $380 new.
Not trying to pressure you or whatever. It just in my experience waiting a month is never a good idea with the used card market and I know that you got two to get rid of. I guess this is a non-issue if your not selling though.
The one thing thats a big problem about the 1080 cards is it seems NVIDIA fudged the numbers about overclocking. Its only been a week but no one seems to have stable 2.1 hertz that they showed off during conference. Im not sure if this is going to remain true or not but its crazy if so since people trying to overclock to unachievable sounds insane for a manufacture.
@Ragedemon
TBH I'd be more worried about current cards then price fluctuating for 1000 series since I don't see that happening any time soon unless your in a region that get charged all types of fees on top. [That is if you sell old cards]. I'd commit to skipping or commit to buying within a very short time.
A 980 is still in $450+ new but its close to half the framerate of a 1080.
A 980 used is stil $350ish in my region and a 1070 starts at $380 new.
Not trying to pressure you or whatever. It just in my experience waiting a month is never a good idea with the used card market and I know that you got two to get rid of. I guess this is a non-issue if your not selling though.
The one thing thats a big problem about the 1080 cards is it seems NVIDIA fudged the numbers about overclocking. Its only been a week but no one seems to have stable 2.1 hertz that they showed off during conference. Im not sure if this is going to remain true or not but its crazy if so since people trying to overclock to unachievable sounds insane for a manufacture.
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@eqzitara Ditto.
Unfortunately, everyone + their grandma are recommending to wait for custom PCBs later this coming month, as you have pointed out, overclocking is abysmal on the current reference cards. The custom cards should be a tad cheaper than the founders edition, while also being better overclockers, as they will have more power connectors, more VRMs, and all round far better cooling.
Check out the custom PCB designs by different partners on the following link:
http://videocardz.com/60547/comparison-of-custom-geforce-gtx-1080-pcbs
Here are benchmarks from the first custom PCB to be released. Interestingly, there is no real improvement vs the founder's edition but it is quieter and the overclock is sustained for longer:
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/asus-geforce-gtx-1080-strix-oc-test/
Here is a great link which shows the difference between the custom PCBs:
http://videocardz.com/60496/custom-geforce-gtx-1080-roundup
Whether or not they will offer substantially better overlocking remains to be seen.
Right now, in the UK, cards are being charged much higher than MSRP even with all taxes, simply due to the high demand. There is no place with the cards in stock.
Unfortunately, the combination of these 2 items means that I am going to have to wait till the partners release their versions and I can see their overclocking ability, s well as for the demand to lower and stocks to build up thereby bring the prices down to near MSRP levels.
Indeed it might be that by doing this, my 970s will lower in value on eBay. All I can do is hope that the value I lose on the sale of the cards is outweighed by the decrease in the insanely high prices being charged for the 1XXX series.
Unfortunately, everyone + their grandma are recommending to wait for custom PCBs later this coming month, as you have pointed out, overclocking is abysmal on the current reference cards. The custom cards should be a tad cheaper than the founders edition, while also being better overclockers, as they will have more power connectors, more VRMs, and all round far better cooling.
Whether or not they will offer substantially better overlocking remains to be seen.
Right now, in the UK, cards are being charged much higher than MSRP even with all taxes, simply due to the high demand. There is no place with the cards in stock.
Unfortunately, the combination of these 2 items means that I am going to have to wait till the partners release their versions and I can see their overclocking ability, s well as for the demand to lower and stocks to build up thereby bring the prices down to near MSRP levels.
Indeed it might be that by doing this, my 970s will lower in value on eBay. All I can do is hope that the value I lose on the sale of the cards is outweighed by the decrease in the insanely high prices being charged for the 1XXX series.
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i have such a trigger finger to pre order two of these bad-boys https://www.scan.co.uk/products/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ftw-gaming-acx-30-8gb-gddr5x-2560-core-vr-ready-graphics-card-with-rgb-led-lig
but know i need to hold off for the 1080 ti weeps
Good points re: the comparison to 970 SLI, however that's looking largely at games where SLI is actually supported. In terms of recent titles that don't support SLI (or have significant issues), we have MGSV, Arkham Knight, Doom, The Division, and Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Rather than playing the lottery of whether or not a game will support my investment in SLI, the switch to single GPU of similar power will be an improvement regardless, and after selling my second 970 it won't cost me much to do it. Could even work out to be "free".
I'll have a look at pricing once it settles and consider the 1080, but the 1070 pricing makes it tempting.
Do you guys really think it's worth an extra $220US (non founders edition pricing) for the 1080, when the difference doesn't seem that significant? There's a PCGamer analysis here, which shows a 25% performance increase at 1080p for the 1080, but it's a 55% increase in price.
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1070-performance-preview/
Good points re: the comparison to 970 SLI, however that's looking largely at games where SLI is actually supported. In terms of recent titles that don't support SLI (or have significant issues), we have MGSV, Arkham Knight, Doom, The Division, and Rise of the Tomb Raider.
Rather than playing the lottery of whether or not a game will support my investment in SLI, the switch to single GPU of similar power will be an improvement regardless, and after selling my second 970 it won't cost me much to do it. Could even work out to be "free".
I'll have a look at pricing once it settles and consider the 1080, but the 1070 pricing makes it tempting.
Do you guys really think it's worth an extra $220US (non founders edition pricing) for the 1080, when the difference doesn't seem that significant? There's a PCGamer analysis here, which shows a 25% performance increase at 1080p for the 1080, but it's a 55% increase in price.
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1070-performance-preview/
I basically asked the buyer/or given them the opportunity to ask if they want the stock cooler mounted back:) The buyer didn't;) The waterblock was installed on the card, and I packed the stock-cooler in the box as well;)
So, I sold the full package;) If they later decide they want the stock cooler they have it and can mount it;) (don't forget the original screws as well ^_^). I like to keep the original packages of all the hardware I buy (including the plastic caps for the connectors and so on) in case I decide to sell it later;) And I know people always like when opening a package, the product to be "shiny" ;)
So, I tried to keep that feeling intact;)
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I won't be going SLI this generation unless I start hearing reports of significant performance gains. Too many recent titles haven't received a really significant boost from it, and I'm sick of half my GPU power/money going to waste.
I'm in the same boat as you, though now I'm not so sure...
1080 SLi is double the performance of a 970 SLi. 1070 SLi is only ~60% increase in performance. It hardly seems worth it. Going from a 970 SLi to a single 1070 would be more of a "side-grade" imo. Perhaps you might want to wait for a single 1080 Ti to come out?
I was excited about a 1070 SLi, but am disappointed in the performance increase I see relative to the price tag.
$ per frame for the 1080 is "only" 25% more, it just makes financial sense to get a 1080 SLi in the UK if considering holistically the value of the product rather than the price alone. That would be almost exactly double the performance of the current 970 SLi setup @ £1100, but we can play Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 in Stereo3D @ >minimum 60fps.
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Wouldn't a single 1080 be able to handle that? Benchmarks I've seen show it getting around 60fps minimum for both those titles at 1440p Ultra. Doesn't 1080p 3D have about the same performance cost?
Edit: Just noticed you are DSRing from 2560x1600. Nice! But yeah, maybe you need two 1080s for that :D
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I can't see myself going for SLI 1080, because I just don't hate money that much.
http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-preview-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-sli-benchmarked
Anyone got any 1080 benchmarks underwater?
What I need to see first, however, is a full comparison of the GTX 1070, 980Ti and 1080 and some stable price points for each to generate a price to performance ratio.
I've actually got a feeling that the 980Tis will come out on top, for a limited time, as they are phased out - and especially if you can find one with a decent cooler or even watercooler.
The 1080 performance is ideally what I want (I may want even more :p), and the 1070 performance is the minimum I want.
Now I have a 1440p monitor, so my needs have increased (3D at 2560x1440 looks sooo good, and now 1080p looks a bit low res to me :p).
But the european prices are really high this time. The 980 cost 550€ and the 970 cost 350€ at release date. Now the 1080 (non FE) will be around 700€ and the 1070 will be >420€.
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But 3rd party benchmarks also have to be taken with a grain of salt.
1a. GTX 9XX series shows exactly the same scaling in those games and scenareos. So, if you were happy enough with 970 SLi, then you should be exactly as happy with the SLi in the 1XXX series.
b. 970 SLi is pretty much exactly on par with a 980 Ti, which is about on par with a 1070 therefore 970 SLi = 980 Ti = 1070. Upgrading from a 970 SLi to a single 1070 indeed would be a side grade.
Check out the 970 SLi vs 980 Ti benchmarks here:
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2246-gtx-970-sli-vs-gtx-980-ti
2. We have to be careful when we look at benchmark resolutions. As we all know, 3D Vision decreases the FPS by 35% to 50%. We therefore need look at benchmarks for double the resolution than what we normally play at. Interestingly, it is on these high resolutions that SLi shines, and why 3D Vision has always scaled so well with SLi.
Here are 2 benchmark sites which deal with SLi specifically with 3D Vision:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-480-3-way-sli-crossfire,review-31886-12.html
http://www.volnapc.com/all-posts/3d-and-sli-performance-tested
As I have said before, speaking solely on price is useless anywhere as money alone is a completely different kettle of fish from person to person.
A better approach would be to speak purely of the value before considering the price.
On one side, someone can say "wow, you are a moron for spending £1200 / $1400 on some stupid computer component" (and then would go out and purchase the equivelent amount of designer clothes, or nights on the town over the next few months, or even a 1 week holiday; all of which society would deem 'acceptable').
Someone like me would rather say "well, chaps, we know that the vast majority of games today are developed for the console market, where the next-next-gen consoles won't start appearing for years to come. This means that for the next 5 years or so, game performance requirements won't increase by any significant margin. What if I were to tell you that by spending £1200 / $1400 now, you will get Minimum 60fps on all games with 3D Vision for the next x number of years? You spend your entire day working your ass off to spend a few hours a day with the hobby that you love. Wouldn't you rather have perfectly fluid gameplay over those precious few hours?"
It's an investment into yourself. How much do you value your free time?
I am personally undecided. I'll have to wait for the 1070 / 1080 prices to stabilise over the next month or so before calculating the price per frame.
Current price-per-frame estimates are not viable due to the fact that founder's edition cards are not that great, and general price-gouging from scalpers.
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TBH I'd be more worried about current cards then price fluctuating for 1000 series since I don't see that happening any time soon unless your in a region that get charged all types of fees on top. [That is if you sell old cards]. I'd commit to skipping or commit to buying within a very short time.
A 980 is still in $450+ new but its close to half the framerate of a 1080.
A 980 used is stil $350ish in my region and a 1070 starts at $380 new.
Not trying to pressure you or whatever. It just in my experience waiting a month is never a good idea with the used card market and I know that you got two to get rid of. I guess this is a non-issue if your not selling though.
The one thing thats a big problem about the 1080 cards is it seems NVIDIA fudged the numbers about overclocking. Its only been a week but no one seems to have stable 2.1 hertz that they showed off during conference. Im not sure if this is going to remain true or not but its crazy if so since people trying to overclock to unachievable sounds insane for a manufacture.
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Unfortunately, everyone + their grandma are recommending to wait for custom PCBs later this coming month, as you have pointed out, overclocking is abysmal on the current reference cards. The custom cards should be a tad cheaper than the founders edition, while also being better overclockers, as they will have more power connectors, more VRMs, and all round far better cooling.
Check out the custom PCB designs by different partners on the following link:
http://videocardz.com/60547/comparison-of-custom-geforce-gtx-1080-pcbs
Here are benchmarks from the first custom PCB to be released. Interestingly, there is no real improvement vs the founder's edition but it is quieter and the overclock is sustained for longer:
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/asus-geforce-gtx-1080-strix-oc-test/
Here is a great link which shows the difference between the custom PCBs:
http://videocardz.com/60496/custom-geforce-gtx-1080-roundup
Whether or not they will offer substantially better overlocking remains to be seen.
Right now, in the UK, cards are being charged much higher than MSRP even with all taxes, simply due to the high demand. There is no place with the cards in stock.
Unfortunately, the combination of these 2 items means that I am going to have to wait till the partners release their versions and I can see their overclocking ability, s well as for the demand to lower and stocks to build up thereby bring the prices down to near MSRP levels.
Indeed it might be that by doing this, my 970s will lower in value on eBay. All I can do is hope that the value I lose on the sale of the cards is outweighed by the decrease in the insanely high prices being charged for the 1XXX series.
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but know i need to hold off for the 1080 ti weeps
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Rather than playing the lottery of whether or not a game will support my investment in SLI, the switch to single GPU of similar power will be an improvement regardless, and after selling my second 970 it won't cost me much to do it. Could even work out to be "free".
I'll have a look at pricing once it settles and consider the 1080, but the 1070 pricing makes it tempting.
Do you guys really think it's worth an extra $220US (non founders edition pricing) for the 1080, when the difference doesn't seem that significant? There's a PCGamer analysis here, which shows a 25% performance increase at 1080p for the 1080, but it's a 55% increase in price.
http://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-gtx-1070-performance-preview/