i am shopping DLP 1080p 3D ready flat panels, mainly Mitsubishi WD models. however, they all have spec 1.3 inputs. i've read a lot of conflicting information about whether "true" 3D will require the 1.4 spec. anyone have any inside info about this? should i wait for the 1.4 inputs just to be sure?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?
i am shopping DLP 1080p 3D ready flat panels, mainly Mitsubishi WD models. however, they all have spec 1.3 inputs. i've read a lot of conflicting information about whether "true" 3D will require the 1.4 spec. anyone have any inside info about this? should i wait for the 1.4 inputs just to be sure?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?
Mitsubishi supposedly has a converter coming out for it's 3D TVs to work with the 1.4/PS3 spec. Sony was quoted as saying "3D will work on displays starting with HDMI 1.4" or something to that effect. If your goal is PC gaming, you have little to worry about.. But if you're wanting 3D Blu-ray and console games.. I'd wait to find out, tbh.
Mitsubishi supposedly has a converter coming out for it's 3D TVs to work with the 1.4/PS3 spec. Sony was quoted as saying "3D will work on displays starting with HDMI 1.4" or something to that effect. If your goal is PC gaming, you have little to worry about.. But if you're wanting 3D Blu-ray and console games.. I'd wait to find out, tbh.
I don't doubt that it's technically possible via 1.3, I'm just concerned if it will be supported. I have a PS3 for Blu-Ray, so if Sony decides to lock out non 1.4 displays for 3D, that's that.
I don't doubt that it's technically possible via 1.3, I'm just concerned if it will be supported. I have a PS3 for Blu-Ray, so if Sony decides to lock out non 1.4 displays for 3D, that's that.
That can't happen not possible If Sony
make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much
3d vision is true 3d. but who knows where the industry will go from here. Im betting on NVIDIA due to their huge market share. i dont think they are going anywhere. But keep in mind that we are all early adopters of 3d technology- so todays hardware could be rendered obsolete by the next generation or good old competition. if you are like me- running all entertainment through your pc you should be fine. we will get 3d blue ray and computer games and 3dtv on NVIDIA hardware. however if you are a console gamer- it might be a different story.
not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.
[quote name='busterswiggins' post='1002520' date='Feb 16 2010, 12:34 PM']i am shopping DLP 1080p 3D ready flat panels, mainly Mitsubishi WD models. however, they all have spec 1.3 inputs. i've read a lot of conflicting information about whether "true" 3D will require the 1.4 spec. anyone have any inside info about this? should i wait for the 1.4 inputs just to be sure?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?[/quote]
3d vision is true 3d. but who knows where the industry will go from here. Im betting on NVIDIA due to their huge market share. i dont think they are going anywhere. But keep in mind that we are all early adopters of 3d technology- so todays hardware could be rendered obsolete by the next generation or good old competition. if you are like me- running all entertainment through your pc you should be fine. we will get 3d blue ray and computer games and 3dtv on NVIDIA hardware. however if you are a console gamer- it might be a different story.
not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.
[quote name='busterswiggins' post='1002520' date='Feb 16 2010, 12:34 PM']i am shopping DLP 1080p 3D ready flat panels, mainly Mitsubishi WD models. however, they all have spec 1.3 inputs. i've read a lot of conflicting information about whether "true" 3D will require the 1.4 spec. anyone have any inside info about this? should i wait for the 1.4 inputs just to be sure?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?
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1000w Sony surround sound
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3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
[quote name='ik911' post='1002610' date='Feb 16 2010, 05:44 PM']That can't happen not possible If Sony
make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much[/quote]
There is already a 3D Samsung LED TV that is going on sale in March that will cost $2,599.99. That is nothing more than their standard LED HD TV. Therefore, HDMI 1.4 TVs will not cost too much for everyone. Yes, they will be rough to afford at first, but that is a fairly good starting cost. ;)
[quote name='ik911' post='1002610' date='Feb 16 2010, 05:44 PM']That can't happen not possible If Sony
make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much
There is already a 3D Samsung LED TV that is going on sale in March that will cost $2,599.99. That is nothing more than their standard LED HD TV. Therefore, HDMI 1.4 TVs will not cost too much for everyone. Yes, they will be rough to afford at first, but that is a fairly good starting cost. ;)
[quote name='DanielJoy' post='1002640' date='Feb 16 2010, 06:28 PM']keep in mind that we are all early adopters of 3d technology- so todays hardware could be rendered obsolete by the next generation or good old competition.[/quote]
it's crazy to think that lol. PIONEERS OF MASS HOME 3D USE. lol
then again this could be a betamax or laserdisc xD
side note 1.4 hype is bs, same with that guy at best buy screaming about the 120hz hdmi cables.
[quote name='DanielJoy' post='1002640' date='Feb 16 2010, 06:28 PM']keep in mind that we are all early adopters of 3d technology- so todays hardware could be rendered obsolete by the next generation or good old competition.
it's crazy to think that lol. PIONEERS OF MASS HOME 3D USE. lol
then again this could be a betamax or laserdisc xD
side note 1.4 hype is bs, same with that guy at best buy screaming about the 120hz hdmi cables.
all sales bs :P
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Again, I'm not disputing that it's not BS. I understand that it [i]can[/i] work, but if Sony says the player, be it a PS3 or new BD player, has to detect a 1.4 HDMI display to output 3D, then that is the way it is going to be. If the 3D Blu-Ray standard requires HDMI 1.4 profiles to work then you are going to have to pray there's an update for your display, or buy a new one. If it's being used as a sales tactic to sell more new TVs, that could very well be how it plays out. I do not want that, just stating that I think it would be naive to think that they wouldn't consider something like that. There are a lot of unknowns out there. I hope they don't screw over everyone with 3D displays out there, but I wouldn't put it past them.
Again, I'm not disputing that it's not BS. I understand that it can work, but if Sony says the player, be it a PS3 or new BD player, has to detect a 1.4 HDMI display to output 3D, then that is the way it is going to be. If the 3D Blu-Ray standard requires HDMI 1.4 profiles to work then you are going to have to pray there's an update for your display, or buy a new one. If it's being used as a sales tactic to sell more new TVs, that could very well be how it plays out. I do not want that, just stating that I think it would be naive to think that they wouldn't consider something like that. There are a lot of unknowns out there. I hope they don't screw over everyone with 3D displays out there, but I wouldn't put it past them.
What confuses me is these new Samsung 3D tv's as shown [url="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036WT4EC?ie=UTF8&tag=3dvibl-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0036WT4EC"]here[/url] show that they only have HDMI 1.3. So I don't think anyone is going to lock it to HDMI 1.4 only.
What confuses me is these new Samsung 3D tv's as shown here show that they only have HDMI 1.3. So I don't think anyone is going to lock it to HDMI 1.4 only.
If it's a software issue, it would be an easy fix, people (including me in theory xD) do waaaay harder things to a ps3's firmware/system than just disable a hdmi check :P
and who would need to buy a separate and expensive new BD player if your ps3 would do it for you :) Sony better think long and hard about the scene before releasing something with limitations that are just gonna piss people off lol
too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^
If it's a software issue, it would be an easy fix, people (including me in theory xD) do waaaay harder things to a ps3's firmware/system than just disable a hdmi check :P
and who would need to buy a separate and expensive new BD player if your ps3 would do it for you :) Sony better think long and hard about the scene before releasing something with limitations that are just gonna piss people off lol
too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^
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you could consider getting a pc BR player and a good software player- all the major ones are working on 3d blue ray updates right now. Im running cyberlink Power DVD 9.0 and it has worked for me really well and they work closely with NVIDIA to maximize the hardware. you might have to update the firmware on your BR disk- and i would not be surprised if there are some teething pains for the software- but it is on the horizon! thats what im counting on- but again- its all a bit risky- who knows if there will be any issues getting the software to work. Nobody not even the industry knows how this is going to play out. im hoping im covered but im not into console gaming at all- and you mentioned the ps3.
[quote name='Chibi_Chaingun' post='1002757' date='Feb 16 2010, 07:55 PM']Again, I'm not disputing that it's not BS. I understand that it [i]can[/i] work, but if Sony says the player, be it a PS3 or new BD player, has to detect a 1.4 HDMI display to output 3D, then that is the way it is going to be. If the 3D Blu-Ray standard requires HDMI 1.4 profiles to work then you are going to have to pray there's an update for your display, or buy a new one. If it's being used as a sales tactic to sell more new TVs, that could very well be how it plays out. I do not want that, just stating that I think it would be naive to think that they wouldn't consider something like that. There are a lot of unknowns out there. I hope they don't screw over everyone with 3D displays out there, but I wouldn't put it past them.[/quote]
you could consider getting a pc BR player and a good software player- all the major ones are working on 3d blue ray updates right now. Im running cyberlink Power DVD 9.0 and it has worked for me really well and they work closely with NVIDIA to maximize the hardware. you might have to update the firmware on your BR disk- and i would not be surprised if there are some teething pains for the software- but it is on the horizon! thats what im counting on- but again- its all a bit risky- who knows if there will be any issues getting the software to work. Nobody not even the industry knows how this is going to play out. im hoping im covered but im not into console gaming at all- and you mentioned the ps3.
[quote name='Chibi_Chaingun' post='1002757' date='Feb 16 2010, 07:55 PM']Again, I'm not disputing that it's not BS. I understand that it can work, but if Sony says the player, be it a PS3 or new BD player, has to detect a 1.4 HDMI display to output 3D, then that is the way it is going to be. If the 3D Blu-Ray standard requires HDMI 1.4 profiles to work then you are going to have to pray there's an update for your display, or buy a new one. If it's being used as a sales tactic to sell more new TVs, that could very well be how it plays out. I do not want that, just stating that I think it would be naive to think that they wouldn't consider something like that. There are a lot of unknowns out there. I hope they don't screw over everyone with 3D displays out there, but I wouldn't put it past them.
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Hdmi 1.3 plugs and cables can be used to carry stereo3D signals as it's been done for years.
The issue is that there is no standard way of transmitting stereo3D pictures with hdmi1.3. Each display requires a different type of input, which is a nightmare for Blu Ray players, satellite decoders, etc...
The hdmi 1.4 specs standardize stereo3D transmission by making support mandatory for a new format called "frame packing" which sends the two full resolution L+R pictures to the display. The display is then in charge of unpacking the frames and transforming them into whatever format it need to display (line interleave for Xpol displays, frame sequential for shutter systems, dual outputs for dual beam projectors, etc...) and for shutter glasses based 3D displays, the TV is in charge of generating it's own sync signal : no more usb sync from the computer.
There are also other optional formats that imitate the currently used image transmission formats but it's only if the manufacturer wants to do it.
The hdmi 1.4 cable has a different plug: it's larger to accommodate the additional the ethernet link, but the actual video link is identical to hdmi 1.3. This makes it possible for some 1.3 TVs and devices to support the new stereo3D format and be recognized as an hdmi1.4 device, provided the components can be upgraded and that the device manufacturer provides a firmware/driver update.
The key here is whether or not the TV actually carries stereo3D capable image treatment chips : in order to reduce cost and get the products in stores quickly, almost all of the currently available 3DTVs do not have these chips, thus only accept their native input format at their native resolution, otherwise they don't work in 3D.
In short : current stereo3D TVs and monitors won't work with the standard stereo3D hdmi 1.4 format that all devices will use. This is why Mitsubishi had to announce they'll sell a converter to make their current 3DTVs compatible.
All future 3D display manufacturers should support this new format, and according to the various CES announcements the first batch of 3DTVs about to be released this month should also support it.
Currently available nvidia 120Hz monitors, Zalman monitors and other iZ3D are all early, non standard product that were not thought with a worldwide competitive industry in mind. They were mainly targeted at developing the technology, and satisfying and expanding a small niche market, you could even consider the sale of these products as "selling prototypes", which happened for more than 10 years, we are the last batch of "early adopters" as stereo3D is about to do the big leap into prime-time mass market.
Current stereo3D products should and will become obsolete with time, it's a necessity, it was bound to happen and it's for the better. The only question was "When ?", the answer was given the very same day nvidia 3D vision was released (CES 2009) when all the major TV manufacturers announced they started the process of adding stereo3D capability in consumer TVs in 2010.
Hdmi 1.3 plugs and cables can be used to carry stereo3D signals as it's been done for years.
The issue is that there is no standard way of transmitting stereo3D pictures with hdmi1.3. Each display requires a different type of input, which is a nightmare for Blu Ray players, satellite decoders, etc...
The hdmi 1.4 specs standardize stereo3D transmission by making support mandatory for a new format called "frame packing" which sends the two full resolution L+R pictures to the display. The display is then in charge of unpacking the frames and transforming them into whatever format it need to display (line interleave for Xpol displays, frame sequential for shutter systems, dual outputs for dual beam projectors, etc...) and for shutter glasses based 3D displays, the TV is in charge of generating it's own sync signal : no more usb sync from the computer.
There are also other optional formats that imitate the currently used image transmission formats but it's only if the manufacturer wants to do it.
The hdmi 1.4 cable has a different plug: it's larger to accommodate the additional the ethernet link, but the actual video link is identical to hdmi 1.3. This makes it possible for some 1.3 TVs and devices to support the new stereo3D format and be recognized as an hdmi1.4 device, provided the components can be upgraded and that the device manufacturer provides a firmware/driver update.
The key here is whether or not the TV actually carries stereo3D capable image treatment chips : in order to reduce cost and get the products in stores quickly, almost all of the currently available 3DTVs do not have these chips, thus only accept their native input format at their native resolution, otherwise they don't work in 3D.
In short : current stereo3D TVs and monitors won't work with the standard stereo3D hdmi 1.4 format that all devices will use. This is why Mitsubishi had to announce they'll sell a converter to make their current 3DTVs compatible.
All future 3D display manufacturers should support this new format, and according to the various CES announcements the first batch of 3DTVs about to be released this month should also support it.
Currently available nvidia 120Hz monitors, Zalman monitors and other iZ3D are all early, non standard product that were not thought with a worldwide competitive industry in mind. They were mainly targeted at developing the technology, and satisfying and expanding a small niche market, you could even consider the sale of these products as "selling prototypes", which happened for more than 10 years, we are the last batch of "early adopters" as stereo3D is about to do the big leap into prime-time mass market.
Current stereo3D products should and will become obsolete with time, it's a necessity, it was bound to happen and it's for the better. The only question was "When ?", the answer was given the very same day nvidia 3D vision was released (CES 2009) when all the major TV manufacturers announced they started the process of adding stereo3D capability in consumer TVs in 2010.
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great read BlackShark! sounds like i'm in the same boat as a lot of you keeping up with this mess... i'm researching into Mitsubishi's 3D adapter now and may call their engineers later on... i'll report my findings.
[b]now, its gonna be a question of 120hz or 240hz? or is there any question about it?[/b]
[quote name='DJ_MaXLoaD' post='1002769' date='Feb 16 2010, 10:16 PM']too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^[/quote]
"not much of..." <-- aint that the troof. they are out there, but not too many of them. just last night, i was reading about some folks who cracked a driver to make the PS3 controller work on a pc
[quote name='DanielJoy' post='1002640' date='Feb 16 2010, 05:28 PM']not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.[/quote]
what i am looking for is someone to say "this or that TV has an optical out that works great inputted into my PC" ... someone based on experience. :)
and i am not so much a console gamer than a pc gamer. however, i am keeping up with Sony's PS3 "firmware update that will allow 3D"... hmmm... sounds fishy if you ask me... but i do agree with the marketing BS hype BS BS.
great read BlackShark! sounds like i'm in the same boat as a lot of you keeping up with this mess... i'm researching into Mitsubishi's 3D adapter now and may call their engineers later on... i'll report my findings.
now, its gonna be a question of 120hz or 240hz? or is there any question about it?
[quote name='DJ_MaXLoaD' post='1002769' date='Feb 16 2010, 10:16 PM']too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^
"not much of..." <-- aint that the troof. they are out there, but not too many of them. just last night, i was reading about some folks who cracked a driver to make the PS3 controller work on a pc
[quote name='DanielJoy' post='1002640' date='Feb 16 2010, 05:28 PM']not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.
what i am looking for is someone to say "this or that TV has an optical out that works great inputted into my PC" ... someone based on experience. :)
and i am not so much a console gamer than a pc gamer. however, i am keeping up with Sony's PS3 "firmware update that will allow 3D"... hmmm... sounds fishy if you ask me... but i do agree with the marketing BS hype BS BS.
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?
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make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much
make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much
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not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.
[quote name='busterswiggins' post='1002520' date='Feb 16 2010, 12:34 PM']i am shopping DLP 1080p 3D ready flat panels, mainly Mitsubishi WD models. however, they all have spec 1.3 inputs. i've read a lot of conflicting information about whether "true" 3D will require the 1.4 spec. anyone have any inside info about this? should i wait for the 1.4 inputs just to be sure?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?[/quote]
not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.
[quote name='busterswiggins' post='1002520' date='Feb 16 2010, 12:34 PM']i am shopping DLP 1080p 3D ready flat panels, mainly Mitsubishi WD models. however, they all have spec 1.3 inputs. i've read a lot of conflicting information about whether "true" 3D will require the 1.4 spec. anyone have any inside info about this? should i wait for the 1.4 inputs just to be sure?
i might also add that i want to fully utilize my 7.1 (5.1 upmixed) surround speakers through my PC.
i basically want a 120 or 240hz, 3D DLP that will output native dolby surround sound. suggestions?
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much[/quote]
There is already a 3D Samsung LED TV that is going on sale in March that will cost $2,599.99. That is nothing more than their standard LED HD TV. Therefore, HDMI 1.4 TVs will not cost too much for everyone. Yes, they will be rough to afford at first, but that is a fairly good starting cost. ;)
make ps3 to only do 3d on Sony tv sony will flop,
I think dlp link will win this because of price ect 1.4 tv's will cost too much
There is already a 3D Samsung LED TV that is going on sale in March that will cost $2,599.99. That is nothing more than their standard LED HD TV. Therefore, HDMI 1.4 TVs will not cost too much for everyone. Yes, they will be rough to afford at first, but that is a fairly good starting cost. ;)
it's crazy to think that lol. PIONEERS OF MASS HOME 3D USE. lol
then again this could be a betamax or laserdisc xD
side note 1.4 hype is bs, same with that guy at best buy screaming about the 120hz hdmi cables.
all sales bs :P
it's crazy to think that lol. PIONEERS OF MASS HOME 3D USE. lol
then again this could be a betamax or laserdisc xD
side note 1.4 hype is bs, same with that guy at best buy screaming about the 120hz hdmi cables.
all sales bs :P
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2.064TB storage, OS on 64GB SSD by OCZ
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and who would need to buy a separate and expensive new BD player if your ps3 would do it for you :) Sony better think long and hard about the scene before releasing something with limitations that are just gonna piss people off lol
too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^
and who would need to buy a separate and expensive new BD player if your ps3 would do it for you :) Sony better think long and hard about the scene before releasing something with limitations that are just gonna piss people off lol
too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^
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nForce 750a-G55 modded
8GB DDR3 PC 1600 A-DATA Gaming Series VOC
2.064TB storage, OS on 64GB SSD by OCZ
Win7 ULT 64Bit Legit
3D Vision
2x Samsung SynchMaster 120Hz LCD
Optoma HD66 w/SIMA Dual layer professional proj screen.
NOVINT Falcon w/ pistol Grip
OCZ Neural Impulse Actuator
Box of pizza and lots of coffee
[quote name='Chibi_Chaingun' post='1002757' date='Feb 16 2010, 07:55 PM']Again, I'm not disputing that it's not BS. I understand that it [i]can[/i] work, but if Sony says the player, be it a PS3 or new BD player, has to detect a 1.4 HDMI display to output 3D, then that is the way it is going to be. If the 3D Blu-Ray standard requires HDMI 1.4 profiles to work then you are going to have to pray there's an update for your display, or buy a new one. If it's being used as a sales tactic to sell more new TVs, that could very well be how it plays out. I do not want that, just stating that I think it would be naive to think that they wouldn't consider something like that. There are a lot of unknowns out there. I hope they don't screw over everyone with 3D displays out there, but I wouldn't put it past them.[/quote]
[quote name='Chibi_Chaingun' post='1002757' date='Feb 16 2010, 07:55 PM']Again, I'm not disputing that it's not BS. I understand that it can work, but if Sony says the player, be it a PS3 or new BD player, has to detect a 1.4 HDMI display to output 3D, then that is the way it is going to be. If the 3D Blu-Ray standard requires HDMI 1.4 profiles to work then you are going to have to pray there's an update for your display, or buy a new one. If it's being used as a sales tactic to sell more new TVs, that could very well be how it plays out. I do not want that, just stating that I think it would be naive to think that they wouldn't consider something like that. There are a lot of unknowns out there. I hope they don't screw over everyone with 3D displays out there, but I wouldn't put it past them.
System:
Intel I7 920 overclocked to 4ghz
Asus Rampage Extreme II
2 Ge-force 480 in SLI
GTX 295 PhysX Card
12gb ddr3 2000mhz ram
Intel SSD in RAID 0
BR RW
1000w Sony surround sound
NVIDIA 3D Vision
3d displays tested:
Mitsubishi 65" DLP 3d HDTV (good old 1080p checkerboard since 2007!!!)
Panasonic VT25 (nice 2d but I returned it due to cross talk)
Acer H5360 720p on 130" screen (the best 3d)
23" Acer LCD monitor (horrible cross talk- sold it)
Samsung 65D8000
The issue is that there is no standard way of transmitting stereo3D pictures with hdmi1.3. Each display requires a different type of input, which is a nightmare for Blu Ray players, satellite decoders, etc...
The hdmi 1.4 specs standardize stereo3D transmission by making support mandatory for a new format called "frame packing" which sends the two full resolution L+R pictures to the display. The display is then in charge of unpacking the frames and transforming them into whatever format it need to display (line interleave for Xpol displays, frame sequential for shutter systems, dual outputs for dual beam projectors, etc...) and for shutter glasses based 3D displays, the TV is in charge of generating it's own sync signal : no more usb sync from the computer.
There are also other optional formats that imitate the currently used image transmission formats but it's only if the manufacturer wants to do it.
The hdmi 1.4 cable has a different plug: it's larger to accommodate the additional the ethernet link, but the actual video link is identical to hdmi 1.3. This makes it possible for some 1.3 TVs and devices to support the new stereo3D format and be recognized as an hdmi1.4 device, provided the components can be upgraded and that the device manufacturer provides a firmware/driver update.
The key here is whether or not the TV actually carries stereo3D capable image treatment chips : in order to reduce cost and get the products in stores quickly, almost all of the currently available 3DTVs do not have these chips, thus only accept their native input format at their native resolution, otherwise they don't work in 3D.
In short : current stereo3D TVs and monitors won't work with the standard stereo3D hdmi 1.4 format that all devices will use. This is why Mitsubishi had to announce they'll sell a converter to make their current 3DTVs compatible.
All future 3D display manufacturers should support this new format, and according to the various CES announcements the first batch of 3DTVs about to be released this month should also support it.
Currently available nvidia 120Hz monitors, Zalman monitors and other iZ3D are all early, non standard product that were not thought with a worldwide competitive industry in mind. They were mainly targeted at developing the technology, and satisfying and expanding a small niche market, you could even consider the sale of these products as "selling prototypes", which happened for more than 10 years, we are the last batch of "early adopters" as stereo3D is about to do the big leap into prime-time mass market.
Current stereo3D products should and will become obsolete with time, it's a necessity, it was bound to happen and it's for the better. The only question was "When ?", the answer was given the very same day nvidia 3D vision was released (CES 2009) when all the major TV manufacturers announced they started the process of adding stereo3D capability in consumer TVs in 2010.
The issue is that there is no standard way of transmitting stereo3D pictures with hdmi1.3. Each display requires a different type of input, which is a nightmare for Blu Ray players, satellite decoders, etc...
The hdmi 1.4 specs standardize stereo3D transmission by making support mandatory for a new format called "frame packing" which sends the two full resolution L+R pictures to the display. The display is then in charge of unpacking the frames and transforming them into whatever format it need to display (line interleave for Xpol displays, frame sequential for shutter systems, dual outputs for dual beam projectors, etc...) and for shutter glasses based 3D displays, the TV is in charge of generating it's own sync signal : no more usb sync from the computer.
There are also other optional formats that imitate the currently used image transmission formats but it's only if the manufacturer wants to do it.
The hdmi 1.4 cable has a different plug: it's larger to accommodate the additional the ethernet link, but the actual video link is identical to hdmi 1.3. This makes it possible for some 1.3 TVs and devices to support the new stereo3D format and be recognized as an hdmi1.4 device, provided the components can be upgraded and that the device manufacturer provides a firmware/driver update.
The key here is whether or not the TV actually carries stereo3D capable image treatment chips : in order to reduce cost and get the products in stores quickly, almost all of the currently available 3DTVs do not have these chips, thus only accept their native input format at their native resolution, otherwise they don't work in 3D.
In short : current stereo3D TVs and monitors won't work with the standard stereo3D hdmi 1.4 format that all devices will use. This is why Mitsubishi had to announce they'll sell a converter to make their current 3DTVs compatible.
All future 3D display manufacturers should support this new format, and according to the various CES announcements the first batch of 3DTVs about to be released this month should also support it.
Currently available nvidia 120Hz monitors, Zalman monitors and other iZ3D are all early, non standard product that were not thought with a worldwide competitive industry in mind. They were mainly targeted at developing the technology, and satisfying and expanding a small niche market, you could even consider the sale of these products as "selling prototypes", which happened for more than 10 years, we are the last batch of "early adopters" as stereo3D is about to do the big leap into prime-time mass market.
Current stereo3D products should and will become obsolete with time, it's a necessity, it was bound to happen and it's for the better. The only question was "When ?", the answer was given the very same day nvidia 3D vision was released (CES 2009) when all the major TV manufacturers announced they started the process of adding stereo3D capability in consumer TVs in 2010.
Passive 3D forever
110" DIY dual-projection system
2x Epson EH-TW3500 (1080p) + Linear Polarizers (SPAR)
XtremScreen Daylight 2.0
VNS Geobox501 signal converter
[b]now, its gonna be a question of 120hz or 240hz? or is there any question about it?[/b]
[quote name='DJ_MaXLoaD' post='1002769' date='Feb 16 2010, 10:16 PM']too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^[/quote]
"not much of..." <-- aint that the troof. they are out there, but not too many of them. just last night, i was reading about some folks who cracked a driver to make the PS3 controller work on a pc
[quote name='DanielJoy' post='1002640' date='Feb 16 2010, 05:28 PM']not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.[/quote]
what i am looking for is someone to say "this or that TV has an optical out that works great inputted into my PC" ... someone based on experience. :)
and i am not so much a console gamer than a pc gamer. however, i am keeping up with Sony's PS3 "firmware update that will allow 3D"... hmmm... sounds fishy if you ask me... but i do agree with the marketing BS hype BS BS.
now, its gonna be a question of 120hz or 240hz? or is there any question about it?
[quote name='DJ_MaXLoaD' post='1002769' date='Feb 16 2010, 10:16 PM']too bad there's not much of a PC modding scene geared towards cracking driver limitations ^_|_^
"not much of..." <-- aint that the troof. they are out there, but not too many of them. just last night, i was reading about some folks who cracked a driver to make the PS3 controller work on a pc
[quote name='DanielJoy' post='1002640' date='Feb 16 2010, 05:28 PM']not sure what you are asking about with your surround. just run your computers sound card out to the 7.1 receiver and you are done. dont bother trying to get the HDMI sound to work on pc.
what i am looking for is someone to say "this or that TV has an optical out that works great inputted into my PC" ... someone based on experience. :)
and i am not so much a console gamer than a pc gamer. however, i am keeping up with Sony's PS3 "firmware update that will allow 3D"... hmmm... sounds fishy if you ask me... but i do agree with the marketing BS hype BS BS.