The 22" iZ3D Stereoscopic Monitor
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No better time than the present! There is a member gallery there too.

May I ask what you do for a living that you own an iZ3D monitor, a Zalman pre-production model, projectors, and so on?

Do you own any HMD solutions as well?

Can we come over and play? /w00t.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':w00t:' />

Regards,
Chopper
I am already member but did not post by now.

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No better time than the present! There is a member gallery there too.



May I ask what you do for a living that you own an iZ3D monitor, a Zalman pre-production model, projectors, and so on?



Do you own any HMD solutions as well?



Can we come over and play? /w00t.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':w00t:' />



Regards,

Chopper

#16
Posted 11/09/2007 03:50 AM   
Sorry for the late reply fellas, I've been quite busy.

Hi imac2007,
To answer your question, ghosting on different systems is produced by different things. On CRTs, its phosphor decay. On the iZ3D, I *THINK* its from the inability of the front screen to polarise the light 100% proper. From what I understand from a posting on the iZ3D forum, a lot of compensations cam be made through software to minimise this effect, so we might see that later driver releases make the ghosting better... this is almost pure conjecture however, I am no iZ3D expert... I haven't even had a chance to study properly how it works yet.

wbloos:

Excellent observations my friend. Before I bought the monitor, people were telling me that the "darkening" (tinting) problem could be 100% fixed - it couldn't. When I bought it, others told me that they couldnt see any tint what so ever. Only a couple agreed that there was some tinting, but your pictures, wow... that's exactly what I see... and it makes me wonder, WHY can't other people see that?! its so glaringly obvious: blue tint in one eye, yellow in the other... unless its just you, me and a couple of others in the whole community with super-ultra-hyperactive-tint-sensing-vision.

Luckily though, after a few minutes of gameplay, our eyes naturally begin to adjust colour preception to somewhat minimise the effect.

imac2007: I don't think the iZ3D is a bad choice for stereo at all. From the driver point of view, i think its the best choice generaly available...

I know I do tend to go on about it's driver but try going without stereo for a year while trying desperately to make old stereo drivers work with your 8XXX card. The experience will teach you to truly appreciate the iZ3D driver ;)

When I first got the iZ3D and loaded up oblivion with HDR to see a double image on the screen, you wouldn't have been able to measure my grin with a yard-stick :D

One additional advantage of the iZ3D that i think might have gone maybe un-noticed?

The convergence can be adjusted to be quite deep outside the screen, and so where the scene starts, it feels somewhat like that's the point where the screen starts. The preceived screen can be further and much bigger, giving a similar effect to a projector. Not as good mind you, but a much better effect than a CRT would give under the same circumstances... requies more investigating when I have some more free time on my hands...
Sorry for the late reply fellas, I've been quite busy.



Hi imac2007,

To answer your question, ghosting on different systems is produced by different things. On CRTs, its phosphor decay. On the iZ3D, I *THINK* its from the inability of the front screen to polarise the light 100% proper. From what I understand from a posting on the iZ3D forum, a lot of compensations cam be made through software to minimise this effect, so we might see that later driver releases make the ghosting better... this is almost pure conjecture however, I am no iZ3D expert... I haven't even had a chance to study properly how it works yet.



wbloos:



Excellent observations my friend. Before I bought the monitor, people were telling me that the "darkening" (tinting) problem could be 100% fixed - it couldn't. When I bought it, others told me that they couldnt see any tint what so ever. Only a couple agreed that there was some tinting, but your pictures, wow... that's exactly what I see... and it makes me wonder, WHY can't other people see that?! its so glaringly obvious: blue tint in one eye, yellow in the other... unless its just you, me and a couple of others in the whole community with super-ultra-hyperactive-tint-sensing-vision.



Luckily though, after a few minutes of gameplay, our eyes naturally begin to adjust colour preception to somewhat minimise the effect.



imac2007: I don't think the iZ3D is a bad choice for stereo at all. From the driver point of view, i think its the best choice generaly available...



I know I do tend to go on about it's driver but try going without stereo for a year while trying desperately to make old stereo drivers work with your 8XXX card. The experience will teach you to truly appreciate the iZ3D driver ;)



When I first got the iZ3D and loaded up oblivion with HDR to see a double image on the screen, you wouldn't have been able to measure my grin with a yard-stick :D



One additional advantage of the iZ3D that i think might have gone maybe un-noticed?



The convergence can be adjusted to be quite deep outside the screen, and so where the scene starts, it feels somewhat like that's the point where the screen starts. The preceived screen can be further and much bigger, giving a similar effect to a projector. Not as good mind you, but a much better effect than a CRT would give under the same circumstances... requies more investigating when I have some more free time on my hands...

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

#17
Posted 11/09/2007 05:38 AM   
[quote name='Chopper' date='Nov 9 2007, 05:50 AM']May I ask what you do for a living that you own an iZ3D monitor, a Zalman pre-production model, projectors, and so on?[/quote]

I'm computer technician - all the money I earn goes into such equipment

[quote]Do you own any HMD solutions as well?[/quote]

no beacuse picture quality is too bad

[quote]Can we come over and play? :[/quote]
to Germany? well you could do this, but I do no gaming on this equipment (by the way I own only 2 older games which I play very rare) I primary do 3D photo and 3D video (in HDV) - and my Equipment is not optimized for gaming but for 3D video playback - I have "only" Quadro FX 3400 or Quadro FX 1400 cards in my PCs

greetings
Werner
[quote name='Chopper' date='Nov 9 2007, 05:50 AM']May I ask what you do for a living that you own an iZ3D monitor, a Zalman pre-production model, projectors, and so on?



I'm computer technician - all the money I earn goes into such equipment



Do you own any HMD solutions as well?




no beacuse picture quality is too bad



Can we come over and play? :


to Germany? well you could do this, but I do no gaming on this equipment (by the way I own only 2 older games which I play very rare) I primary do 3D photo and 3D video (in HDV) - and my Equipment is not optimized for gaming but for 3D video playback - I have "only" Quadro FX 3400 or Quadro FX 1400 cards in my PCs



greetings

Werner

#18
Posted 11/09/2007 08:41 AM   
[quote name='wbloos' date='Nov 9 2007, 04:41 AM']to Germany? well you could do this, but I do no gaming on this equipment (by the way I own only 2 older games which I play very rare) I primary do 3D photo and 3D video (in HDV) - and my Equipment is not optimized for gaming but for 3D video playback - I have "only" Quadro FX 3400 or Quadro FX 1400 cards in my PCs
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No games? Shame on you! :lol:

Regards,
Chopper
[quote name='wbloos' date='Nov 9 2007, 04:41 AM']to Germany? well you could do this, but I do no gaming on this equipment (by the way I own only 2 older games which I play very rare) I primary do 3D photo and 3D video (in HDV) - and my Equipment is not optimized for gaming but for 3D video playback - I have "only" Quadro FX 3400 or Quadro FX 1400 cards in my PCs

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No games? Shame on you! :lol:



Regards,

Chopper

#19
Posted 11/09/2007 11:00 PM   
[quote name='Chopper' date='Nov 10 2007, 01:00 AM']No games?  Shame on you!  :lol:
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well I found no games for a PC which are really funny - I mean as funny as the games on the Amiga were (many of you might even not know the Amiga computer...)

so stereoscopy for me is not gaming - it's taking (real) photos in 3D and doing 3D videos.

greetings
Werner
[quote name='Chopper' date='Nov 10 2007, 01:00 AM']No games?  Shame on you!  :lol:





well I found no games for a PC which are really funny - I mean as funny as the games on the Amiga were (many of you might even not know the Amiga computer...)



so stereoscopy for me is not gaming - it's taking (real) photos in 3D and doing 3D videos.



greetings

Werner

#20
Posted 11/10/2007 10:47 AM   
[quote name='wbloos' date='Nov 10 2007, 06:47 AM']well I found no games for a PC which are really funny - I mean as funny as the games on the Amiga were (many of you might even not know the Amiga computer...)

so stereoscopy for me is not gaming - it's taking (real) photos in 3D and doing 3D videos.

greetings
Werner
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Sadly, I'm also old enough to remember the Amiga.

It was the source of great hope and disappointment. Hope because when it came out, I wanted to save up for this computer and get the first machine that supported 256 colors on the screen in 320 X 200 pixel mode. Disappointment because before I could buy it, my uncle gave me his computer, a PC compatible with CGA graphics (4 colors on the screen) and an amber monitor.

I couldn't buy the Amiga without hurting his feelings! And so my PC experience began...

Chopper :magic:

EDIT: I got inspired by these posts and blogged them at MTBS. Go to the BLOGS section from the NEWS page.
[quote name='wbloos' date='Nov 10 2007, 06:47 AM']well I found no games for a PC which are really funny - I mean as funny as the games on the Amiga were (many of you might even not know the Amiga computer...)



so stereoscopy for me is not gaming - it's taking (real) photos in 3D and doing 3D videos.



greetings

Werner

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Sadly, I'm also old enough to remember the Amiga.



It was the source of great hope and disappointment. Hope because when it came out, I wanted to save up for this computer and get the first machine that supported 256 colors on the screen in 320 X 200 pixel mode. Disappointment because before I could buy it, my uncle gave me his computer, a PC compatible with CGA graphics (4 colors on the screen) and an amber monitor.



I couldn't buy the Amiga without hurting his feelings! And so my PC experience began...



Chopper :magic:



EDIT: I got inspired by these posts and blogged them at MTBS. Go to the BLOGS section from the NEWS page.

#21
Posted 11/10/2007 03:11 PM   
Well I found a place in the UK called Inition3d that sell these on their website. Unfortunately, when I requested details of their product, they told me that it was aimed at the gaming market (er...ok) but they don't sell to the gaming market (WTF!!??). What a bunch of pansy, 3d-faced business acumen-lacking incompetent brain-dead tossers they are! I mean! What the hell does THAT MEAN?
Well I found a place in the UK called Inition3d that sell these on their website. Unfortunately, when I requested details of their product, they told me that it was aimed at the gaming market (er...ok) but they don't sell to the gaming market (WTF!!??). What a bunch of pansy, 3d-faced business acumen-lacking incompetent brain-dead tossers they are! I mean! What the hell does THAT MEAN?

#22
Posted 01/26/2008 01:36 PM   
Don't waste your time on inition. Their prices are always extortionate.

When they WERE selling the monitor, their price was £1,275 with VAT and delivery. You can get it directly from iZ3D for ~£800 inc VAT and delivery.

When anyone mentions they bought a product from inition, I cringe and quietly grind my teeth >.<
Don't waste your time on inition. Their prices are always extortionate.



When they WERE selling the monitor, their price was £1,275 with VAT and delivery. You can get it directly from iZ3D for ~£800 inc VAT and delivery.



When anyone mentions they bought a product from inition, I cringe and quietly grind my teeth >.<

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

#23
Posted 01/26/2008 05:15 PM   
Cheers for the heads up Rage. /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />
Cheers for the heads up Rage. /thumbup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbup:' />

#24
Posted 01/26/2008 05:35 PM   
Is tinting still so bad on the iZ3D with the latest beta drivers? Does anyone know what is causing this?

One thing I have experienced with the Zalman was that turning the glasses 90 degrees will poduce either a blue-ish or a yellow-ish image. This is very similar to the effect I saw on the photos posted by wbloos for the iZ3D monitor. Is it possible that the problem is in the glasses shipped with the iZ3D monitor, and making your own pair by rotating one side by 90 degrees will eliminate tinting?

Regards,
Oruq
Is tinting still so bad on the iZ3D with the latest beta drivers? Does anyone know what is causing this?



One thing I have experienced with the Zalman was that turning the glasses 90 degrees will poduce either a blue-ish or a yellow-ish image. This is very similar to the effect I saw on the photos posted by wbloos for the iZ3D monitor. Is it possible that the problem is in the glasses shipped with the iZ3D monitor, and making your own pair by rotating one side by 90 degrees will eliminate tinting?



Regards,

Oruq

#25
Posted 01/26/2008 05:53 PM   
Unfortunately no.

From what I can tell, it IS to do with the angle of the polarizing filter but not on the glasses alone. The effect comes from the Front panel on the monitor itself too. When it sends light to one side, it has a blueish tint, and when it sends light to the other, it has a yellowish tint when preceived through the glasses. This can (I believe) be compensated by drivers later on by just manipulating the tint of colour going out to each eye to cancel out the effect of the front panel.

The good news is that our eyes change colour perception to compensate to a degree. I can honestly say that after playing for 5 minutes, I could not notice any tint till i closed each eye one at a time and made myself concentrate on the tint.

Its not perfect mate, but take it from a guy whose been on the stereo scene for a while and has been (mis)fortunate enough to have had quite a few solutions.

To date, overall iZ3D is the best solution currently available in terms of compatibility, stereo effect, ease of use, and updating of software.
Unfortunately no.



From what I can tell, it IS to do with the angle of the polarizing filter but not on the glasses alone. The effect comes from the Front panel on the monitor itself too. When it sends light to one side, it has a blueish tint, and when it sends light to the other, it has a yellowish tint when preceived through the glasses. This can (I believe) be compensated by drivers later on by just manipulating the tint of colour going out to each eye to cancel out the effect of the front panel.



The good news is that our eyes change colour perception to compensate to a degree. I can honestly say that after playing for 5 minutes, I could not notice any tint till i closed each eye one at a time and made myself concentrate on the tint.



Its not perfect mate, but take it from a guy whose been on the stereo scene for a while and has been (mis)fortunate enough to have had quite a few solutions.



To date, overall iZ3D is the best solution currently available in terms of compatibility, stereo effect, ease of use, and updating of software.

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

#26
Posted 01/26/2008 06:20 PM   
I fully agree with that. I have shutterglasses/crt and a polarized rig relying on nvidia drivers (or others that hopefully will surface sometime in the future) for function.
I also own a iz3d 22"'er wich for now id the only solution if i want to play newer games with alot more features turned on than with the nvidia drivers. (Not saying they're bad, just a bit old. :D ). The nvidia ones are a little better when trying to run older games. But if you have an iz3d then the support for that is built in the nvidia driver instead.
Really want to be able to play all the games on the big rig though.

ps: Posted this in the hardware forum with no luck. The question: Am i able to put both the 7900GT and 8800GTX into the same computer (have two pci-e slots). Of course i'm not counting on running both of them at the same time. Just the fact that i can run the iz3d with the 8800 but the big rig only with the 7900 (for now i'm running only the 7900 because of the hazzle getting the 8800 into the comp, removing harddisks and more). A simple answer if it may harm the hardware would be enough. I haven't seen any options to turn one of the pci-e ports off in the bios but maybe i have that option when plugging another card in?

cheers
I fully agree with that. I have shutterglasses/crt and a polarized rig relying on nvidia drivers (or others that hopefully will surface sometime in the future) for function.

I also own a iz3d 22"'er wich for now id the only solution if i want to play newer games with alot more features turned on than with the nvidia drivers. (Not saying they're bad, just a bit old. :D ). The nvidia ones are a little better when trying to run older games. But if you have an iz3d then the support for that is built in the nvidia driver instead.

Really want to be able to play all the games on the big rig though.



ps: Posted this in the hardware forum with no luck. The question: Am i able to put both the 7900GT and 8800GTX into the same computer (have two pci-e slots). Of course i'm not counting on running both of them at the same time. Just the fact that i can run the iz3d with the 8800 but the big rig only with the 7900 (for now i'm running only the 7900 because of the hazzle getting the 8800 into the comp, removing harddisks and more). A simple answer if it may harm the hardware would be enough. I haven't seen any options to turn one of the pci-e ports off in the bios but maybe i have that option when plugging another card in?



cheers

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Mb: Asus P5W DH Deluxe

Cpu: C2D E6600

Gb: Nvidia 7900GT + 8800GTX

3D:100" passive projector polarized setup + 22" IZ3D

Stereodrivers: Iz3d & Tridef ignition and nvidia old school.

#27
Posted 01/26/2008 10:06 PM   
Hi Likay,

I am sure I have seen something ike this somewhere before. I can't remember where though. A guy had 2 different graphics cards running in 2 slots without any problems from what I can remember.

I know what you mean. With older games, it is hard to beat a 200" projected ghostless stereo image :P
Hi Likay,



I am sure I have seen something ike this somewhere before. I can't remember where though. A guy had 2 different graphics cards running in 2 slots without any problems from what I can remember.



I know what you mean. With older games, it is hard to beat a 200" projected ghostless stereo image :P

Windows 10 64-bit, Intel 7700K @ 5.1GHz, 16GB 3600MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM, 2x GTX 1080 SLI, Asus Maximus IX Hero, Sound Blaster ZxR, PCIe Quad SSD, Oculus Rift CV1, DLP Link PGD-150 glasses, ViewSonic PJD6531w 3D DLP Projector @ 1280x800 120Hz native / 2560x1600 120Hz DSR 3D Gaming.

#28
Posted 01/27/2008 04:18 AM   
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