NVIDIA, serious problems with your 3D Ready badge, please consider this proposal
There are definately gems in the 3D Ready stable but there have been far too many duds. When I see an upcoming game is to be released as 3D Ready, the accompanying threads that follow the anouncement now always contain concerns regarding locked convergence; whether or not the crosshair will be 2D and unremovable; performance comments or the graphics glitchy. This is not good enough for what should be the highest 3D rating.

I propose you take a different approach with the 3D Ready badge. Games which are 3D Ready should be considered READY for 3D gamers. In other words the game comes with the full set of graphic options needed to fix/remove any obvious issue. An example of this might be games from Bethesda. Despite Bethesda's anti 3D rhetoric, their games, after some tweaking, are showcase games for 3D. This is because you can tweak 'em to fix them. Better examples might be Tomb Raider: Underworld or Far Cry2 because all of their issues can be resolved by adjusting settings from the in game menu. This isn't that disimilar to some of the current 3D Ready games; Batman:AA needs to have Motion Blur disabled for instance. nVidia could then rate games as usual, with excellent being for games like Batman, Just Cause 2, Civ 5 etc. Obviously you should continue to use the OSD to display the fixes.

If the 3D Ready badge meant a game I was interested in was 3D Ready, but only rated as Fair, despite knowing I would need play it without crosshair, lowered shaders and turned off the shadows I would likely still buy it. I would prefer to play a game with reduced settings in 3D than with all the bells and whistles in 2D any day.

What do you think?
There are definately gems in the 3D Ready stable but there have been far too many duds. When I see an upcoming game is to be released as 3D Ready, the accompanying threads that follow the anouncement now always contain concerns regarding locked convergence; whether or not the crosshair will be 2D and unremovable; performance comments or the graphics glitchy. This is not good enough for what should be the highest 3D rating.



I propose you take a different approach with the 3D Ready badge. Games which are 3D Ready should be considered READY for 3D gamers. In other words the game comes with the full set of graphic options needed to fix/remove any obvious issue. An example of this might be games from Bethesda. Despite Bethesda's anti 3D rhetoric, their games, after some tweaking, are showcase games for 3D. This is because you can tweak 'em to fix them. Better examples might be Tomb Raider: Underworld or Far Cry2 because all of their issues can be resolved by adjusting settings from the in game menu. This isn't that disimilar to some of the current 3D Ready games; Batman:AA needs to have Motion Blur disabled for instance. nVidia could then rate games as usual, with excellent being for games like Batman, Just Cause 2, Civ 5 etc. Obviously you should continue to use the OSD to display the fixes.



If the 3D Ready badge meant a game I was interested in was 3D Ready, but only rated as Fair, despite knowing I would need play it without crosshair, lowered shaders and turned off the shadows I would likely still buy it. I would prefer to play a game with reduced settings in 3D than with all the bells and whistles in 2D any day.



What do you think?

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#1
Posted 07/23/2011 03:20 PM   
I think they just need to provide better support to live up to what they are claiming. I agree with you that certain graphical enhancements being turned off to function properly in 3D is acceptable for some games to still be rated "Excellent." As you mentioned, Batman AA is a good example of this. But advertising a game as "Excellent" when it is actually unplayable on any setting (e.g. The Witcher 2) is completely and utterly unacceptable.
I think they just need to provide better support to live up to what they are claiming. I agree with you that certain graphical enhancements being turned off to function properly in 3D is acceptable for some games to still be rated "Excellent." As you mentioned, Batman AA is a good example of this. But advertising a game as "Excellent" when it is actually unplayable on any setting (e.g. The Witcher 2) is completely and utterly unacceptable.

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#2
Posted 07/23/2011 05:00 PM   
The 3d-ready sign should only be approved for those games which are so. In my opinion nvidia are not to blame if a game is advertized as 3d-ready and isn't (the 3d-ready sign is on the gamebox right?). In order for a game to be approved as 3d-ready it should mean that the gamedevelopers needs to have stereoscopy in mind when making their games from start to finish. As is now the 3d-ready sign is only an extra sometimes false selling argument.
The 3d-ready sign should only be approved for those games which are so. In my opinion nvidia are not to blame if a game is advertized as 3d-ready and isn't (the 3d-ready sign is on the gamebox right?). In order for a game to be approved as 3d-ready it should mean that the gamedevelopers needs to have stereoscopy in mind when making their games from start to finish. As is now the 3d-ready sign is only an extra sometimes false selling argument.

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#3
Posted 07/23/2011 06:33 PM   
Exactly my opinion (what Likay wrote).
Exactly my opinion (what Likay wrote).

#4
Posted 07/23/2011 06:36 PM   
It's really a tricky thing. When boxes are printed they stay the same - sitting on store shelves for months. But the games and the drivers shift quite a bit. Something may start out great in 3D, then get a nasty bug, then that bug will be fixed by a fan-made modification - and that can all happen over the course of a single week! Even if you just sell your game online, that's going to be hard to keep up with!

I don't know about you but I pretty much disregard the 3DV Ready logo when it comes to software. I actually trust the other ratings a good bit more. I suspect these ratings come out of the process of making a 3D Vision profile and those tend to get made with very late builds or production versions. "Excellent" means "we've worked with it and it works pretty well" but "3D Vision Ready" means "we aren't saying."

There's also an advertising side of this. When I look down a row of software titles and I only see three or four with the logo stamped on them, I'm going to get the impression that many games don't work with the technology. If the logo was popping up on half the titles out there then I could see it as a positive thing but it isn't so it ain't.

So maybe the logo should be completely dumped??

P.S. The edit button has returned!!
It's really a tricky thing. When boxes are printed they stay the same - sitting on store shelves for months. But the games and the drivers shift quite a bit. Something may start out great in 3D, then get a nasty bug, then that bug will be fixed by a fan-made modification - and that can all happen over the course of a single week! Even if you just sell your game online, that's going to be hard to keep up with!



I don't know about you but I pretty much disregard the 3DV Ready logo when it comes to software. I actually trust the other ratings a good bit more. I suspect these ratings come out of the process of making a 3D Vision profile and those tend to get made with very late builds or production versions. "Excellent" means "we've worked with it and it works pretty well" but "3D Vision Ready" means "we aren't saying."



There's also an advertising side of this. When I look down a row of software titles and I only see three or four with the logo stamped on them, I'm going to get the impression that many games don't work with the technology. If the logo was popping up on half the titles out there then I could see it as a positive thing but it isn't so it ain't.



So maybe the logo should be completely dumped??



P.S. The edit button has returned!!

#5
Posted 07/23/2011 06:36 PM   
The logo is a good idea in a perfect world of pc gaming which we do not live in. I can imagine it has only caused headaches for nvidia and developers at this point. I want the idea to succeed regardless and I honestly think over time it will get better as the technology becomes cheaper.
The logo is a good idea in a perfect world of pc gaming which we do not live in. I can imagine it has only caused headaches for nvidia and developers at this point. I want the idea to succeed regardless and I honestly think over time it will get better as the technology becomes cheaper.

#6
Posted 07/23/2011 09:17 PM   
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