Any way to balance better GPU bottleneck?
Is there anything I can do to make the CPU make some more work and help a bit my graphic card? [url] https://ibb.co/kumfnQ [/url] As you can see, playing The Witcher 3 @1366x768 resolution, my GPU is using 100% and CPU only 13% of their capabilities, but something similar happen when playing other games too. Of course I can also reduce graphic details and even reduce more the resolution, but my question is not only for this game, but in general. For exacmple, I have PhysX configuration put in "automatic" in Nvidia CP, and maybe it should be always in "CPU" (in my case that I have a clear GPU bottleneck, specially when playing with Nvidia 3D Vision). I don't know if there is any other task that my CPU could be forced to make instead of the GPU, to help a bit.
Is there anything I can do to make the CPU make some more work and help a bit my graphic card?

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As you can see, playing The Witcher 3 @1366x768 resolution, my GPU is using 100% and CPU only 13% of their capabilities, but something similar happen when playing other games too. Of course I can also reduce graphic details and even reduce more the resolution, but my question is not only for this game, but in general.

For exacmple, I have PhysX configuration put in "automatic" in Nvidia CP, and maybe it should be always in "CPU" (in my case that I have a clear GPU bottleneck, specially when playing with Nvidia 3D Vision). I don't know if there is any other task that my CPU could be forced to make instead of the GPU, to help a bit.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#1
Posted 08/28/2017 08:10 PM   
Wow, that's a horrendously bad GPU for today's standards mate! I used to have 4.2GHz X5660. Although it's ageing, it is still quite a beast (even with the CPU bottleneck bug). For comparison, in TW3, I was getting mostly 60fps locked outside cities at 2560x1600 3D Vision with 1080 SLi on highest settings. Calculation: 768p is ~25% the pixel count of 1600p so something like 25% power of 1080 SLi would be decent. Perhaps a single GTX 970 ought to get you 60 FPS in TW3. The 970s are going for decently low prices on the bay. Please consider significantly upping your GPU power! Regarding PhysX, I believe TW3 was patched to have CPU physics (previously it was run on the GPU) in one of their early patches because it performed better than on the GPU due to the game being optimised to run on consoles.
Wow, that's a horrendously bad GPU for today's standards mate!

I used to have 4.2GHz X5660. Although it's ageing, it is still quite a beast (even with the CPU bottleneck bug).

For comparison, in TW3, I was getting mostly 60fps locked outside cities at 2560x1600 3D Vision with 1080 SLi on highest settings.

Calculation:
768p is ~25% the pixel count of 1600p so something like 25% power of 1080 SLi would be decent. Perhaps a single GTX 970 ought to get you 60 FPS in TW3. The 970s are going for decently low prices on the bay.

Please consider significantly upping your GPU power!

Regarding PhysX, I believe TW3 was patched to have CPU physics (previously it was run on the GPU) in one of their early patches because it performed better than on the GPU due to the game being optimised to run on consoles.

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#2
Posted 08/29/2017 01:52 AM   
Yes there's not much you can really do to increase CPU load, other than dropping the resolution further. Shame it's not the other way round, as you can normally increase GPU load relatively easily, by increasing MSAA or using DSR for example. If you possibly can, get an upgraded GPU asap. I'm sure if you give us an idea of budget you'll get some good suggestions. For example, 1366x768 is approx 1 million pixels. 1920x1080 is approx 2 million pixels. In 3d you're pushing the same scene twice so I'm happy to be proven wrong but to me basic fillrate is important. Based on that, if you want to game in 3d at 1366x768 then looking at 1920x1080 benchmarks at least gives you an idea of what to expect, all else being equal. It's an approximation of course. Look at this (random benchmark I found): http://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/perfrel_1920.gif So I would expect even a GTX970 to be about twice as fast as your 660 TI.
Yes there's not much you can really do to increase CPU load, other than dropping the resolution further.

Shame it's not the other way round, as you can normally increase GPU load relatively easily, by increasing MSAA or using DSR for example.

If you possibly can, get an upgraded GPU asap. I'm sure if you give us an idea of budget you'll get some good suggestions.

For example, 1366x768 is approx 1 million pixels. 1920x1080 is approx 2 million pixels. In 3d you're pushing the same scene twice so I'm happy to be proven wrong but to me basic fillrate is important. Based on that, if you want to game in 3d at 1366x768 then looking at 1920x1080 benchmarks at least gives you an idea of what to expect, all else being equal. It's an approximation of course.

Look at this (random benchmark I found): http://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/perfrel_1920.gif

So I would expect even a GTX970 to be about twice as fast as your 660 TI.

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#3
Posted 08/29/2017 07:01 PM   
Ok, I agree that the best solution to have more fps is to upgrade my GPU. The problem with upgrading GPU is that I would really need to buy the best "GTX 1080 TI" (and even with a 1080 TI I would have GPU bottleneck if I pretend to play with Nvidia 3D Vision at 2K, my monitor's best resolution). Of course I won't pay 800 euros and still have to play in a lower resolution than 2K, that is insane to me. But I don't agree with prices BY FAR, so it is a bit of a problem for me. I have the money but I consider that the cost of a graphic card is insane, and I have problems spending so much money on that, even though I understand that it is necesary to get more fps. I wouldn't play happy, I think. So..., maybe, provided that everything is relative in this life, I play happier at lower resoultion and 25 fps without paying anything for a new graphic card. I hope nobody understand this as a criticism about people that pay that money..., maybe tomorrow I will, and probably I will go to Hell when I die, but previously my nice girlfriend (I am not sure if I have one) will leave me when she realizes that I am a guilty man.
Ok, I agree that the best solution to have more fps is to upgrade my GPU. The problem with upgrading GPU is that I would really need to buy the best "GTX 1080 TI" (and even with a 1080 TI I would have GPU bottleneck if I pretend to play with Nvidia 3D Vision at 2K, my monitor's best resolution). Of course I won't pay 800 euros and still have to play in a lower resolution than 2K, that is insane to me.

But I don't agree with prices BY FAR, so it is a bit of a problem for me. I have the money but I consider that the cost of a graphic card is insane, and I have problems spending so much money on that, even though I understand that it is necesary to get more fps. I wouldn't play happy, I think. So..., maybe, provided that everything is relative in this life, I play happier at lower resoultion and 25 fps without paying anything for a new graphic card.

I hope nobody understand this as a criticism about people that pay that money..., maybe tomorrow I will, and probably I will go to Hell when I die, but previously my nice girlfriend (I am not sure if I have one) will leave me when she realizes that I am a guilty man.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#4
Posted 08/29/2017 09:05 PM   
I Also said who in their sane mind would pay for 700€ for a gpu.. and few weeks later bought 980ti for 730€ and year after switched it to titanx + 400 cash. Its ridicilous amount of money but so is 3,. Ridicilously awsome to enjoy. And its still pretty cheap hobby compared to many.
I Also said who in their sane mind would pay for 700€ for a gpu.. and few weeks later bought 980ti for 730€ and year after switched it to titanx + 400 cash.
Its ridicilous amount of money but so is 3,. Ridicilously awsome to enjoy.
And its still pretty cheap hobby compared to many.

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#5
Posted 08/29/2017 09:50 PM   
[quote="Mataloholic"]I Also said who in their sane mind would pay for 700€ for a gpu.. and few weeks later bought 980ti for 730€ and year after switched it to titanx + 400 cash. Its ridicilous amount of money but so is 3,. Ridicilously awsome to enjoy. And its still pretty cheap hobby compared to many. [/quote] That is true. But Houston, we have a problem, there are so many people (I am one of them) that enjoy a lot playing in 3D, and love it, but do not spend too much time (maybe just because I do not have so much spare time to play). So here I have the problem, it is a very expensive hobby, but crazy expensive if you really don't enjoy it for a long time to amortize the big price. It is the same as if you pay 200€/month to go to the gym (don't worry, it won't happen because there are more than only one gym in the city) and you only go once a week, and you see that other people go 7 days/week. Of course the price of the gym is crazy expensive for you, so you realize that maybe you should practice another sport instead. I have said a couple of times in this forum that Nvidia 3D Vision is not for everybody. It is just for people who love the experience and have enough cash (and desire) to build a powerful nasa computer at home to enjoy this hobby. Monopolies are never good for the consumer.
Mataloholic said:I Also said who in their sane mind would pay for 700€ for a gpu.. and few weeks later bought 980ti for 730€ and year after switched it to titanx + 400 cash.
Its ridicilous amount of money but so is 3,. Ridicilously awsome to enjoy.
And its still pretty cheap hobby compared to many.


That is true. But Houston, we have a problem, there are so many people (I am one of them) that enjoy a lot playing in 3D, and love it, but do not spend too much time (maybe just because I do not have so much spare time to play). So here I have the problem, it is a very expensive hobby, but crazy expensive if you really don't enjoy it for a long time to amortize the big price.

It is the same as if you pay 200€/month to go to the gym (don't worry, it won't happen because there are more than only one gym in the city) and you only go once a week, and you see that other people go 7 days/week. Of course the price of the gym is crazy expensive for you, so you realize that maybe you should practice another sport instead.

I have said a couple of times in this forum that Nvidia 3D Vision is not for everybody. It is just for people who love the experience and have enough cash (and desire) to build a powerful nasa computer at home to enjoy this hobby.

Monopolies are never good for the consumer.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#6
Posted 08/29/2017 11:48 PM   
So what you're saying is that you're not really an enthusiast but you still want to experience stunning 3D visuals with an outdated graphics card lol. Problem is that even without 3D Vision that card would not be able to run AAA games maybe even some indie ones at a stable 60 fps on max settings in the first place. So following your logic you might as well post in a general section arguing that your games run badly in 2D on 1440p and ultra settings, or maybe blame developers for making games too photorealistic because it costs too much processing power from your system. Same thing really... All I'm saying is that you can't expect a quality experience if you don't bring the moneh, as with all things in this world.
So what you're saying is that you're not really an enthusiast but you still want to experience stunning 3D visuals with an outdated graphics card lol. Problem is that even without 3D Vision that card would not be able to run AAA games maybe even some indie ones at a stable 60 fps on max settings in the first place.

So following your logic you might as well post in a general section arguing that your games run badly in 2D on 1440p and ultra settings, or maybe blame developers for making games too photorealistic because it costs too much processing power from your system. Same thing really...

All I'm saying is that you can't expect a quality experience if you don't bring the moneh, as with all things in this world.

#7
Posted 08/30/2017 12:43 AM   
[quote="Kaimasta"]So what you're saying is that you're not really an enthusiast but you still want to experience stunning 3D visuals with an outdated graphics card lol. Problem is that even without 3D Vision that card would not be able to run AAA games maybe even some indie ones at a stable 60 fps on max settings in the first place. So following your logic you might as well post in a general section arguing that your games run badly in 2D on 1440p and ultra settings, or maybe blame developers for making games too photorealistic because it costs too much processing power from your system. Same thing really... All I'm saying is that you can't expect a quality experience if you don't bring the moneh, as with all things in this world.[/quote] Not true.
Kaimasta said:So what you're saying is that you're not really an enthusiast but you still want to experience stunning 3D visuals with an outdated graphics card lol. Problem is that even without 3D Vision that card would not be able to run AAA games maybe even some indie ones at a stable 60 fps on max settings in the first place.

So following your logic you might as well post in a general section arguing that your games run badly in 2D on 1440p and ultra settings, or maybe blame developers for making games too photorealistic because it costs too much processing power from your system. Same thing really...

All I'm saying is that you can't expect a quality experience if you don't bring the moneh, as with all things in this world.


Not true.

- Windows 7 64bits (SSD OCZ-Vertez2 128Gb)
- "ASUS P6X58D-E" motherboard
- "MSI GTX 660 TI"
- "Intel Xeon X5670" @4000MHz CPU (20.0[12-25]x200MHz)
- RAM 16 Gb DDR3 1600
- "Dell S2716DG" monitor (2560x1440 @144Hz)
- "Corsair Carbide 600C" case
- Labrador dog (cinnamon edition)

#8
Posted 08/30/2017 12:58 AM   
Also have a 660Ti and can play Overwatch in all it's glory 1920x1080 3D. Haven't tried Witcher 3 but would sure have to lower the settings a bit after seeing some benchmarks. Also dreaming for a 1080Ti but so many bills at this period of my life like twins entering high school, both required a laptop and all the other school stuff. Wish I could work on some fix and get donations but I'm no good at this, unless I spend many evenings and then some to study how it works and how to proceed. My only contribution to 3D was my video tutorial to learn cross-viewing 3D but no monetization on Vimeo. I still run my 7yo computer and have started to save money when I can.
Also have a 660Ti and can play Overwatch in all it's glory 1920x1080 3D. Haven't tried Witcher 3 but would sure have to lower the settings a bit after seeing some benchmarks.
Also dreaming for a 1080Ti but so many bills at this period of my life like twins entering high school, both required a laptop and all the other school stuff.
Wish I could work on some fix and get donations but I'm no good at this, unless I spend many evenings and then some to study how it works and how to proceed.
My only contribution to 3D was my video tutorial to learn cross-viewing 3D but no monetization on Vimeo.
I still run my 7yo computer and have started to save money when I can.

3D Vision must live! NVIDIA, don't let us down!

#9
Posted 08/30/2017 01:13 AM   
660ti in sli worked pretty ok for a Little older games in 3D. Another 660ti is pretty cheap nowdays. But it still would be a contemporary solution. Everything related to 3D Gaming attends to cost. Im able to be in the hobby as i have no kids and decent amount of morgage and ok job. And It would be more wise propably to put that money aside but who knows, I might die tomorrow. And i love games more than life. I would propably be wery deppressed Person without so its an invest to me Also. I can't even think of looking Gaming 3D from that point that its lots of money for a small amount of time as my system is so complicant its Rare when i have times i game everyday. Usually im so exausted of work or just caught on the web i can't get the system up and running and start Gaming. And i think when you have Little time THATS WHEN THE QUALITY OF THE EXPERIENCE MATTERS
660ti in sli worked pretty ok for a Little older games in 3D. Another 660ti is pretty cheap nowdays. But it still would be a contemporary solution.
Everything related to 3D Gaming attends to cost.
Im able to be in the hobby as i have no kids and decent amount of morgage and ok job. And It would be more wise propably to put that money aside but who knows, I might die tomorrow. And i love games more than life. I would propably be wery deppressed Person without so its an invest to me Also.
I can't even think of looking Gaming 3D from that point that its lots of money for a small amount of time as my system is so complicant its
Rare when i have times i game everyday. Usually im so exausted of work or just caught on the web i can't get the system up and running and start Gaming.
And i think when you have Little time THATS WHEN THE QUALITY OF THE EXPERIENCE MATTERS

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#10
Posted 08/30/2017 04:31 AM   
Invest in your hobbies. You only have one life and if you just survive it and not live it what's the purpose? If playing in 3D is something that you like to do, put the money aside and buy a graphics card. A GTX 1080 will allow you to play some games in 2K with decent framerates with some tweaking. A GTX 1080TI even better.
Invest in your hobbies. You only have one life and if you just survive it and not live it what's the purpose?
If playing in 3D is something that you like to do, put the money aside and buy a graphics card.
A GTX 1080 will allow you to play some games in 2K with decent framerates with some tweaking. A GTX 1080TI even better.

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#11
Posted 08/30/2017 05:14 AM   
Speaking purely of hard numbers, Russel's calculation and assumption is absolutely correct. 3D Vision is almost exactly like playing in double the resolution, in a worst case scenario. 2k=1920x768=1.5 million pixels 3D Vision = eqivelent 3 million pixels. 3 million pixels =~ 2560×1440 (3.7 million pixels). [img]http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11180/85949.png[/img] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyIhiM2Cfg With a 1080 Ti, there shouldn't be any game which you can't play at more than 60 FPS @ 2K + 3D vision. (CPU permitting of course - TW3, mostly anywhere except central novigrad with a 4GHz X5670). It's a great investment mate, and the resale value remains good with Titan and Ti models. You work hard to make money all day so you can enjoy your free time. You have to invest in yourself and your free time, else what's the point in making money? How much do you feel your free time is worth? Regarding society /girlfriend, Joker reminded me of a meme which I came across once: [img]http://i.imgur.com/HCOYB7R.jpg[/img] Remember that the society who you are afraid of finds it perfectly acceptable to buy expensive cars with horrendous resale value, or clothes with practically no resale value - they hardly use these items, and certainly not for leisure. A 1080Ti will give you years of great gameplay (there is a huge difference between even 59FPS and 60FPS locked due to stuttering but you are forcing yourself to be satisfied with even 23fps). Then, you will be able to resell it for 65%-75% of it's original value. You can buy second hand now and save even more. A hard truth to the world is that the vast majority of people will be jealous of your successes and smile behind your back at your failures while showing false sympathy to your face. These people will mock your decisions out of insecurity in themselves. Screw what they think; you are your own person to spend your life how you please. People who genuinely care for you will encourage your decisions which bring you happiness, especially a potential life partner. If someone mocks you for purchasing something which makes you happy while not doing anyone any harm, then they are not your friend and their opinion doesn't matter.
Speaking purely of hard numbers, Russel's calculation and assumption is absolutely correct. 3D Vision is almost exactly like playing in double the resolution, in a worst case scenario.

2k=1920x768=1.5 million pixels
3D Vision = eqivelent 3 million pixels.

3 million pixels =~ 2560×1440 (3.7 million pixels).

Image



With a 1080 Ti, there shouldn't be any game which you can't play at more than 60 FPS @ 2K + 3D vision.
(CPU permitting of course - TW3, mostly anywhere except central novigrad with a 4GHz X5670).

It's a great investment mate, and the resale value remains good with Titan and Ti models.

You work hard to make money all day so you can enjoy your free time. You have to invest in yourself and your free time, else what's the point in making money? How much do you feel your free time is worth?

Regarding society /girlfriend, Joker reminded me of a meme which I came across once:

Image

Remember that the society who you are afraid of finds it perfectly acceptable to buy expensive cars with horrendous resale value, or clothes with practically no resale value - they hardly use these items, and certainly not for leisure.

A 1080Ti will give you years of great gameplay (there is a huge difference between even 59FPS and 60FPS locked due to stuttering but you are forcing yourself to be satisfied with even 23fps). Then, you will be able to resell it for 65%-75% of it's original value. You can buy second hand now and save even more.

A hard truth to the world is that the vast majority of people will be jealous of your successes and smile behind your back at your failures while showing false sympathy to your face. These people will mock your decisions out of insecurity in themselves. Screw what they think; you are your own person to spend your life how you please. People who genuinely care for you will encourage your decisions which bring you happiness, especially a potential life partner.

If someone mocks you for purchasing something which makes you happy while not doing anyone any harm, then they are not your friend and their opinion doesn't matter.

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#12
Posted 08/30/2017 06:30 AM   
[quote="joker18"]Invest in your hobbies. You only have one life and if you just survive it and not live it what's the purpose? If playing in 3D is something that you like to do, put the money aside and buy a graphics card. A GTX 1080 will allow you to play some games in 2K with decent framerates with some tweaking. A GTX 1080TI even better. [/quote] that´s true. I just saw a customer of mine that said she loves her work. Have worked always her ass off. when covorkers put down shit load of hours she has put the same amount in the times she has been on her laziest. anyways now she has started cutting down hours because of the illness. She loves her work as she is very succesfull entreprenier, and gues what illness ? yes cancer. ..tammy cancer ( or what ever it´s called) ...and i know for a fact when you have cancer in your bowls that´s it. how sad is that. well atleast she loves her work. it it were just a job then what a waste. by the way.. about delidding. why do you need to put the liquid metal and the chassy back on ? there was no lid´s in the days i was brought to pc world. can´t you use it with out the lid ?
joker18 said:Invest in your hobbies. You only have one life and if you just survive it and not live it what's the purpose?
If playing in 3D is something that you like to do, put the money aside and buy a graphics card.
A GTX 1080 will allow you to play some games in 2K with decent framerates with some tweaking. A GTX 1080TI even better.


that´s true. I just saw a customer of mine that said she loves her work. Have worked always her ass off. when covorkers put down shit load of hours she has put the same amount in the times she has been on her laziest.
anyways now she has started cutting down hours because of the illness. She loves her work as she is very succesfull entreprenier, and gues what illness ? yes
cancer. ..tammy cancer ( or what ever it´s called) ...and i know for a fact when you have cancer in your bowls that´s it. how sad is that. well atleast she loves her work. it it were just a job then what a waste.

by the way.. about delidding. why do you need to put the liquid metal and the chassy back on ? there was no lid´s in the days i was brought to pc world. can´t you use it with out the lid ?

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#13
Posted 09/28/2017 04:49 PM   
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