No hype for Vermintide 2 yet, eh? (fix not working due to EAC)
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Created a support request with FS. Hopefully will gain some traction: [quote]Hello there Fatshark, I'm contacting you in regards to your recent activation of EAC's file integrity checking. This has effectively made your game now unplayable to myself, and many other 3D enthusiasts. You may or may not be familiar with Nvidia's 3DVision technology, which allows games to automatically rendered in stereoscopic 3D. There are 2 "modes" for this, the first one is true stereoscopic 3D (aka geometry 3D), and the other is known as compatibility mode, which most of us enthusiasts refer to as "fake 3D" (and rightfully so). Geometry 3D is visually vastly superior to compatibility mode (which causes various artifacts such as warping or halos around objects, and an overall lack of depth and volume), but the tradeoff is that many effects that are done through deferred rendering, such and lighting/shadows, reflections, volumetric effects, etc, go through a process of unprojection, which will cause them to render incorrectly in stereoscopic 3D unless a developer actively codes their shaders with stereo 3D in mind. Needless to say, you have not done so, and the game is unplayable in stereo 3D out of the box. Here is where I come in... or should I say, had come in. I am a modder who solely works on creating stereo 3D compatibility fixes using a 3rd party DX11 wrapper known as 3DMigoto ( https://github.com/bo3b/3Dmigoto ). I am known on the Nvidia Geforce forums as DJ-RK, and have created around 20-30 game fixes in my modding career, which includes both Vermintide 1, and very recently Vermintide 2 (can provide links and references if desired). I can tell you that I had put in dozens of hours in creating fixes for each of your games, of course with no expectation on your behalf, and have enabled many others to enjoy your games fully (and probably am responsible for at least some of your sales). So, as you can imagine, I am greatly saddened by the fact that just yesterday it was found that your implementation of EAC has now blocked the usage of most third party DLL's. I have encountered this before, as I had worked on a stereo 3D fix for the game For Honor, and at the time I had contacted them directly to inquire on the possibility of getting 3DMigoto added to their whitelist, in the same fashion as I had come to learn that Reshade had done. Effectively, there is absolutely no difference between the two tools. Unfortunately, however, EAC's support team had refused my request, despite me being in direct contact with 3DMigoto's developers and being willing to take any requests or requirements that EAC might make for us to be able to create a build of 3DMigoto that would satisfy their requirements. So, at this time, I must reach out to you and implore of you to please contact EAC on our behalf and request that they whitelist 3DMigoto as well, at least for Vermintide 2 if not across the board. I am aware that one of 3DMigoto's developers (by the handle of DarkStarSword) have actually attempted to contact them as well (due to the release of Far Cry 5, which also implements EAC and blocks our development of a 3D fix there as well) and they have not even responded to his communications, but that means they already have a direct channel available to them to have a discussion on the matter. Still, if need be, I would be more than happy to be a liason on the subject between them/yourselves and the 3DMigoto team. And before it's suggested, unfortunately no, playing Vermintide 2, or any game for that matter, without 3DVision is not an option for myself and any member of our community. It is such a shame 3D technology did not catch on, and was given such a bad reputation by the movie industry, because I cannot state just how much vastly superior the experience is... but I digress. And I'm sorry to say, but as much as I do love playing your games, if EAC had've been enabled from the onset then unfortunately I would have obtained a refund on the purchase of Vermintide 2, so myself and a few others in our community feel like we have effectively been robbed/cheated (myself more than them, since I'm the one who poured my time and soul into creating a fix for your game). Thank you for taking the time to review my case, and I sincerely hope that you can and will assist on the matter.
Created a support request with FS. Hopefully will gain some traction:

Hello there Fatshark,

I'm contacting you in regards to your recent activation of EAC's file integrity checking. This has effectively made your game now unplayable to myself, and many other 3D enthusiasts.

You may or may not be familiar with Nvidia's 3DVision technology, which allows games to automatically rendered in stereoscopic 3D. There are 2 "modes" for this, the first one is true stereoscopic 3D (aka geometry 3D), and the other is known as compatibility mode, which most of us enthusiasts refer to as "fake 3D" (and rightfully so).

Geometry 3D is visually vastly superior to compatibility mode (which causes various artifacts such as warping or halos around objects, and an overall lack of depth and volume), but the tradeoff is that many effects that are done through deferred rendering, such and lighting/shadows, reflections, volumetric effects, etc, go through a process of unprojection, which will cause them to render incorrectly in stereoscopic 3D unless a developer actively codes their shaders with stereo 3D in mind. Needless to say, you have not done so, and the game is unplayable in stereo 3D out of the box.

Here is where I come in... or should I say, had come in. I am a modder who solely works on creating stereo 3D compatibility fixes using a 3rd party DX11 wrapper known as 3DMigoto ( https://github.com/bo3b/3Dmigoto ). I am known on the Nvidia Geforce forums as DJ-RK, and have created around 20-30 game fixes in my modding career, which includes both Vermintide 1, and very recently Vermintide 2 (can provide links and references if desired). I can tell you that I had put in dozens of hours in creating fixes for each of your games, of course with no expectation on your behalf, and have enabled many others to enjoy your games fully (and probably am responsible for at least some of your sales).

So, as you can imagine, I am greatly saddened by the fact that just yesterday it was found that your implementation of EAC has now blocked the usage of most third party DLL's. I have encountered this before, as I had worked on a stereo 3D fix for the game For Honor, and at the time I had contacted them directly to inquire on the possibility of getting 3DMigoto added to their whitelist, in the same fashion as I had come to learn that Reshade had done. Effectively, there is absolutely no difference between the two tools. Unfortunately, however, EAC's support team had refused my request, despite me being in direct contact with 3DMigoto's developers and being willing to take any requests or requirements that EAC might make for us to be able to create a build of 3DMigoto that would satisfy their requirements.

So, at this time, I must reach out to you and implore of you to please contact EAC on our behalf and request that they whitelist 3DMigoto as well, at least for Vermintide 2 if not across the board. I am aware that one of 3DMigoto's developers (by the handle of DarkStarSword) have actually attempted to contact them as well (due to the release of Far Cry 5, which also implements EAC and blocks our development of a 3D fix there as well) and they have not even responded to his communications, but that means they already have a direct channel available to them to have a discussion on the matter. Still, if need be, I would be more than happy to be a liason on the subject between them/yourselves and the 3DMigoto team.

And before it's suggested, unfortunately no, playing Vermintide 2, or any game for that matter, without 3DVision is not an option for myself and any member of our community. It is such a shame 3D technology did not catch on, and was given such a bad reputation by the movie industry, because I cannot state just how much vastly superior the experience is... but I digress. And I'm sorry to say, but as much as I do love playing your games, if EAC had've been enabled from the onset then unfortunately I would have obtained a refund on the purchase of Vermintide 2, so myself and a few others in our community feel like we have effectively been robbed/cheated (myself more than them, since I'm the one who poured my time and soul into creating a fix for your game).

Thank you for taking the time to review my case, and I sincerely hope that you can and will assist on the matter.

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#61
Posted 04/12/2018 05:59 AM   
Good job DJ-RK, I hope thet'll do something.
Good job DJ-RK, I hope thet'll do something.

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#62
Posted 04/12/2018 06:50 AM   
Yeah thank you, DJ-RK and nicely done as well. I really think we need to collectively push this issue from every angle we can. If you are a 3dvision and 3dmigoto user, even if you are not interested in this game there will be a time when a game you love is affected too.... In my case I guess can't really pursue a refund, because the game was gifted to me. But if it wasn't the case I would be going in hard on that front. These companies take notice when it starts effecting their pocket. Interestingly enough I see a lot of complaints regarding the game running significantly worse now. as I understand EAC is essentially a rootkit.... awful.
Yeah thank you, DJ-RK and nicely done as well. I really think we need to collectively push this issue from every angle we can. If you are a 3dvision and 3dmigoto user, even if you are not interested in this game there will be a time when a game you love is affected too....

In my case I guess can't really pursue a refund, because the game was gifted to me. But if it wasn't the case I would be going in hard on that front. These companies take notice when it starts effecting their pocket.

Interestingly enough I see a lot of complaints regarding the game running significantly worse now. as I understand EAC is essentially a rootkit.... awful.

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#63
Posted 04/12/2018 08:59 AM   
you were right, it was a matter of little time, after the update the game crashes. But it doesnt start without 3dmigoto, many people are complaining they have (me too) this problem - "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" which is certainly connected with EAC
you were right, it was a matter of little time, after the update the game crashes. But it doesnt start without 3dmigoto, many people are complaining they have (me too) this problem -
"untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" which is certainly connected with EAC

#64
Posted 04/12/2018 05:14 PM   
I hope you sent them some jps files with a disclaimer stating that the pictures are never as good as the actual stereoscopic gameplay itself. I also hope that you sent them the fix with a guide to setting convergence and depth. All they would need to do is buy the 3D Vision kit, they likely have a display in their studios that would work. If I were a Dev I would love people playing my game in 3D. 3D opens a window into the soul of a game and brings forth the love and care that were put into making the game. Every intricate detail is intensified and greatly appreciated. Whereas in 2D, nothing really stands out and all the blood sweat and tears put into making the game are simply lost in the translation of a 2D world.
I hope you sent them some jps files with a disclaimer stating that the pictures are never as good as the actual stereoscopic gameplay itself. I also hope that you sent them the fix with a guide to setting convergence and depth. All they would need to do is buy the 3D Vision kit, they likely have a display in their studios that would work.

If I were a Dev I would love people playing my game in 3D. 3D opens a window into the soul of a game and brings forth the love and care that were put into making the game.

Every intricate detail is intensified and greatly appreciated. Whereas in 2D, nothing really stands out and all the blood sweat and tears put into making the game are simply lost in the translation of a 2D world.

#65
Posted 04/12/2018 05:47 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]I hope you sent them some jps files with a disclaimer stating that the pictures are never as good as the actual stereoscopic gameplay itself. I also hope that you sent them the fix with a guide to setting convergence and depth.[/quote] Are you serious ? They would think i was mad. I'm sorry, though i share your romantic point of view, but we must all admit that no one cares about 3d vision, they dont even know about it. u must be happy using it but at the same time u can not share ur feelings with the rest - the world of cyclops, since 3D vision became "a niche product" long ago
D-Man11 said:I hope you sent them some jps files with a disclaimer stating that the pictures are never as good as the actual stereoscopic gameplay itself. I also hope that you sent them the fix with a guide to setting convergence and depth.


Are you serious ? They would think i was mad. I'm sorry, though i share your romantic point of view, but we must all admit that no one cares about 3d vision, they dont even know about it. u must be happy using it but at the same time u can not share ur feelings with the rest - the world of cyclops, since 3D vision became "a niche product" long ago

#66
Posted 04/12/2018 06:24 PM   
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/3d-vision-fix-stops-game-from-loading-because-of-eac/21606
As i have said above 3dmigoto may not be the cause - lots of people are complaining about the issue (i have crashes with the fix uninstalled as well)
As i have said above 3dmigoto may not be the cause - lots of people are complaining about the issue (i have crashes with the fix uninstalled as well)

#68
Posted 04/12/2018 08:16 PM   
@mistersvin21 Seeing is believing. [quote="mistersvin21"] we must all admit that no one cares about 3d vision, they dont even know about it. [/quote] ?????? I guess you have never heard of Nixxes or Forzenbyte
@mistersvin21

Seeing is believing.



mistersvin21 said: we must all admit that no one cares about 3d vision, they dont even know about it.


??????

I guess you have never heard of Nixxes or Forzenbyte

#69
Posted 04/12/2018 08:48 PM   
[quote="D-Man11"]@mistersvin21 Seeing is believing. [quote="mistersvin21"] we must all admit that no one cares about 3d vision, they dont even know about it. [/quote] ?????? I guess you have never heard of Nixxes or Forzenbyte[/quote] what makes you think so ? u could mention Rockstar too, so what ? no difference, AT ALL
D-Man11 said:@mistersvin21

Seeing is believing.



mistersvin21 said: we must all admit that no one cares about 3d vision, they dont even know about it.


??????

I guess you have never heard of Nixxes or Forzenbyte

what makes you think so ? u could mention Rockstar too, so what ? no difference, AT ALL

#70
Posted 04/12/2018 09:02 PM   
[quote="mistersvin21"]As i have said above 3dmigoto may not be the cause - lots of people are complaining about the issue (i have crashes with the fix uninstalled as well)[/quote] I not sure what you are talking about. 3dmigoto IS the cause in this case. The game explicitly states it will not start because of untrusted files specifically the 3DMigoto dll. it's stated in the error message. Obviously other factors could be involved for other people. But If I remove the fix it works again. If you are having the game complain about other files, run a integrity check from steam.
mistersvin21 said:As i have said above 3dmigoto may not be the cause - lots of people are complaining about the issue (i have crashes with the fix uninstalled as well)


I not sure what you are talking about. 3dmigoto IS the cause in this case. The game explicitly states it will not start because of untrusted files specifically the 3DMigoto dll. it's stated in the error message.

Obviously other factors could be involved for other people. But If I remove the fix it works again.

If you are having the game complain about other files, run a integrity check from steam.

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#71
Posted 04/13/2018 12:19 AM   
[quote="mistersvin21"]As i have said above 3dmigoto may not be the cause - lots of people are complaining about the issue (i have crashes with the fix uninstalled as well)[/quote] Necro already beat me to it, but yeah, it specifically states the 3DMigoto d3d11.dll is untrusted, and as soon as it's removed I'm able to launch the game. Anyways, just posted in Scarhead's forum post as well. If we could get as many people to do the same as possible (whether you own the game, or are even just considering it), there's an inkling of a chance of it getting noticed.
mistersvin21 said:As i have said above 3dmigoto may not be the cause - lots of people are complaining about the issue (i have crashes with the fix uninstalled as well)


Necro already beat me to it, but yeah, it specifically states the 3DMigoto d3d11.dll is untrusted, and as soon as it's removed I'm able to launch the game.

Anyways, just posted in Scarhead's forum post as well. If we could get as many people to do the same as possible (whether you own the game, or are even just considering it), there's an inkling of a chance of it getting noticed.

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#72
Posted 04/13/2018 05:28 AM   
i don't deny that, but maybe it would be the next "untrusted dll" in my case, since my problem was "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" and nothing helped (for almost anyone on steam forum). The game didn't start without the fix. BTW the latest update (17MB) fixed the "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" problem and the game is starting again, the fix is working as well
i don't deny that, but maybe it would be the next "untrusted dll" in my case, since my problem was "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" and nothing helped (for almost anyone on steam forum). The game didn't start without the fix.
BTW the latest update (17MB) fixed the "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" problem and the game is starting again, the fix is working as well

#73
Posted 04/13/2018 08:57 AM   
[quote="mistersvin21"]BTW the latest update (17MB) fixed the "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" problem and the game is starting again, the fix is working as well[/quote] Well, again, enjoy it while you can because I just tried again based on your comments and am still unable to launch with the fix installed.
mistersvin21 said:BTW the latest update (17MB) fixed the "untrusted file c:\windows\system32\user32.dll" problem and the game is starting again, the fix is working as well


Well, again, enjoy it while you can because I just tried again based on your comments and am still unable to launch with the fix installed.

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#74
Posted 04/13/2018 03:26 PM   
ty :-) but dont you find it strange EAC is not blocking d3d11.dll in my case?
ty :-) but dont you find it strange EAC is not blocking d3d11.dll in my case?

#75
Posted 04/13/2018 03:45 PM   
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