I7 930 or Phenom ii 965 Is my system being held back by my cpu
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Hi, at the moment i have a stock 2.6ghz phenom 9950 quad core with m3n72-d mobo with the corsair dominator 1066 ram running at 800. I am using 2 XFX GTX260 (216) in sli with 3D Vision.

Just wanted to know if my cpu and mobo are holding me back, as i am getting low framerates with this setup in games using 3D vision.


If the cpu and mobo are definately holding me back, which is the best cpu to upgrade to, The I7 930 or Phenom ii 965?
Plz note that i don't know how to overclock. Also would they be ok at stock speeds?

I am playing at 1920x1080 res on a Alienwawre AW2310 monitor.
PSU: Coolermaster 850w
Case: HAF 932
CPU cooled via COOLERMASTER AQUAGATE MAX

hope you can help me out.

if u need any more specs just mail me.

Thnx
Hi, at the moment i have a stock 2.6ghz phenom 9950 quad core with m3n72-d mobo with the corsair dominator 1066 ram running at 800. I am using 2 XFX GTX260 (216) in sli with 3D Vision.



Just wanted to know if my cpu and mobo are holding me back, as i am getting low framerates with this setup in games using 3D vision.





If the cpu and mobo are definately holding me back, which is the best cpu to upgrade to, The I7 930 or Phenom ii 965?

Plz note that i don't know how to overclock. Also would they be ok at stock speeds?



I am playing at 1920x1080 res on a Alienwawre AW2310 monitor.

PSU: Coolermaster 850w

Case: HAF 932

CPU cooled via COOLERMASTER AQUAGATE MAX



hope you can help me out.



if u need any more specs just mail me.



Thnx

#1
Posted 04/08/2010 12:48 AM   
You will see no difference if you change the processor if you play @ 1680 resolution or higher.
If I were you I would get a new video card...GTX295... GTX 470 or GTX480...
You will see no difference if you change the processor if you play @ 1680 resolution or higher.

If I were you I would get a new video card...GTX295... GTX 470 or GTX480...

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#2
Posted 04/08/2010 05:53 AM   
[quote name='W4J' post='1035885' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:48 PM']Hi, at the moment i have a stock 2.6ghz phenom 9950 quad core with m3n72-d mobo with the corsair dominator 1066 ram running at 800. I am using 2 XFX GTX260 (216) in sli with 3D Vision.

Just wanted to know if my cpu and mobo are holding me back, as i am getting low framerates with this setup in games using 3D vision.


If the cpu and mobo are definately holding me back, which is the best cpu to upgrade to, The I7 930 or Phenom ii 965?
Plz note that i don't know how to overclock. Also would they be ok at stock speeds?

I am playing at 1920x1080 res on a Alienwawre AW2310 monitor.
PSU: Coolermaster 850w
Case: HAF 932
CPU cooled via COOLERMASTER AQUAGATE MAX

hope you can help me out.

if u need any more specs just mail me.

Thnx[/quote]

You should work on oc'ing your current cpu, you could squeeze quite a bit more power out of it pretty easily. With a SLI setup, your performance is going to be strongly influenced by your cpu power. Your 9950 has plenty of power, but at stock speed (2.6Ghz) it's really not pulling its weight in your setup and may very well be where your bottleneck is. Getting a newer 930 or 965 really won't change much unless you oc those, either. Your graphics cards depend on your cpu to facilitate the flow of information between them, so at stock speed it probably just isn't collating the information efficiently enough.

At this point -- and BEFORE you invest in a 470/480! -- your best bet is really to start googling "overclock phenom" and learn how to tweak your settings. I don't know a lot about AMD processors, but with Intel you start seeing a dramatic improvement in a SLI setup >3.6 Ghz; you should see some performance boost from any oc, though.
[quote name='W4J' post='1035885' date='Apr 7 2010, 08:48 PM']Hi, at the moment i have a stock 2.6ghz phenom 9950 quad core with m3n72-d mobo with the corsair dominator 1066 ram running at 800. I am using 2 XFX GTX260 (216) in sli with 3D Vision.



Just wanted to know if my cpu and mobo are holding me back, as i am getting low framerates with this setup in games using 3D vision.





If the cpu and mobo are definately holding me back, which is the best cpu to upgrade to, The I7 930 or Phenom ii 965?

Plz note that i don't know how to overclock. Also would they be ok at stock speeds?



I am playing at 1920x1080 res on a Alienwawre AW2310 monitor.

PSU: Coolermaster 850w

Case: HAF 932

CPU cooled via COOLERMASTER AQUAGATE MAX



hope you can help me out.



if u need any more specs just mail me.



Thnx



You should work on oc'ing your current cpu, you could squeeze quite a bit more power out of it pretty easily. With a SLI setup, your performance is going to be strongly influenced by your cpu power. Your 9950 has plenty of power, but at stock speed (2.6Ghz) it's really not pulling its weight in your setup and may very well be where your bottleneck is. Getting a newer 930 or 965 really won't change much unless you oc those, either. Your graphics cards depend on your cpu to facilitate the flow of information between them, so at stock speed it probably just isn't collating the information efficiently enough.



At this point -- and BEFORE you invest in a 470/480! -- your best bet is really to start googling "overclock phenom" and learn how to tweak your settings. I don't know a lot about AMD processors, but with Intel you start seeing a dramatic improvement in a SLI setup >3.6 Ghz; you should see some performance boost from any oc, though.

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#3
Posted 04/08/2010 01:12 PM   
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='1036146' date='Apr 8 2010, 07:12 AM']You should work on oc'ing your current cpu, you could squeeze quite a bit more power out of it pretty easily. With a SLI setup, your performance is going to be strongly influenced by your cpu power. Your 9950 has plenty of power, but at stock speed (2.6Ghz) it's really not pulling its weight in your setup and may very well be where your bottleneck is. Getting a newer 930 or 965 really won't change much unless you oc those, either. Your graphics cards depend on your cpu to facilitate the flow of information between them, so at stock speed it probably just isn't collating the information efficiently enough.

At this point -- and BEFORE you invest in a 470/480! -- your best bet is really to start googling "overclock phenom" and learn how to tweak your settings. I don't know a lot about AMD processors, but with Intel you start seeing a dramatic improvement in a SLI setup >3.6 Ghz; you should see some performance boost from any oc, though.[/quote]
Agreed a new CPU should increase frame rate as you are currently running your very slow. If you OC it you can get an instant free boost though.
[quote name='Chris-NYC' post='1036146' date='Apr 8 2010, 07:12 AM']You should work on oc'ing your current cpu, you could squeeze quite a bit more power out of it pretty easily. With a SLI setup, your performance is going to be strongly influenced by your cpu power. Your 9950 has plenty of power, but at stock speed (2.6Ghz) it's really not pulling its weight in your setup and may very well be where your bottleneck is. Getting a newer 930 or 965 really won't change much unless you oc those, either. Your graphics cards depend on your cpu to facilitate the flow of information between them, so at stock speed it probably just isn't collating the information efficiently enough.



At this point -- and BEFORE you invest in a 470/480! -- your best bet is really to start googling "overclock phenom" and learn how to tweak your settings. I don't know a lot about AMD processors, but with Intel you start seeing a dramatic improvement in a SLI setup >3.6 Ghz; you should see some performance boost from any oc, though.

Agreed a new CPU should increase frame rate as you are currently running your very slow. If you OC it you can get an instant free boost though.

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#4
Posted 04/08/2010 02:26 PM   
hi, thnx for the quick replys.

i have been told that i can put a phenom 965 into my current rig by just updating bios and installing the new 965.

As of a stock stock speed of 3.4ghz, wouldn't that be better than my current cpu at stock 2.6ghz?

This would definately save me aleast £400, instead of getting and i7 setup or a full 965 with ddr3 setup

Also i keep getting "driver display has stopped responding and recovered", i did abit of research and found that some part of my rig is causing it, and it is probly the cpu not having enough power.

Hope u can help me.

Trying to play just cause 2 in 3D but can't because cpu is maxing out, producing a low framerate.

Also is ther a bug with just cause 2 with sli and 3d vision. my right eye sees a perfect picture but my left sees a grey screen? was working fine when i installed the game but after i turned to game of and came back to it started doing it. when i turn sli off tho 3d vision works fine.
hi, thnx for the quick replys.



i have been told that i can put a phenom 965 into my current rig by just updating bios and installing the new 965.



As of a stock stock speed of 3.4ghz, wouldn't that be better than my current cpu at stock 2.6ghz?



This would definately save me aleast £400, instead of getting and i7 setup or a full 965 with ddr3 setup



Also i keep getting "driver display has stopped responding and recovered", i did abit of research and found that some part of my rig is causing it, and it is probly the cpu not having enough power.



Hope u can help me.



Trying to play just cause 2 in 3D but can't because cpu is maxing out, producing a low framerate.



Also is ther a bug with just cause 2 with sli and 3d vision. my right eye sees a perfect picture but my left sees a grey screen? was working fine when i installed the game but after i turned to game of and came back to it started doing it. when i turn sli off tho 3d vision works fine.

#5
Posted 04/08/2010 02:32 PM   
the Phenom 2 is a substantial improvement over your chip. It would be like getting a Core 2 of equivalent clockspeed into your existing system. I would recommend a decent cooler to attempt at least a mulitpler only overclock with - i'd hope for 3.8 but your mileage will vary of course.

i run JC2 on a single 260 on the older PII-945 @ 3.5 in 3D and its acceptable performance most of the time, though i'm awaiting a fermi as this game is seriously GPU dependent. Disabling the CUDA enhanced water can net you upto 25% more framerate ;)
the Phenom 2 is a substantial improvement over your chip. It would be like getting a Core 2 of equivalent clockspeed into your existing system. I would recommend a decent cooler to attempt at least a mulitpler only overclock with - i'd hope for 3.8 but your mileage will vary of course.



i run JC2 on a single 260 on the older PII-945 @ 3.5 in 3D and its acceptable performance most of the time, though i'm awaiting a fermi as this game is seriously GPU dependent. Disabling the CUDA enhanced water can net you upto 25% more framerate ;)

#6
Posted 04/08/2010 05:13 PM   
before you get new equipment you need to sort our why your display driver is crashing. have you checked the temperatures of your graphics cards while you are in game? is the voltage tyo your RAM set manually in the BIOS? leaving the voltage at AUTO isnt good enough.
before you get new equipment you need to sort our why your display driver is crashing. have you checked the temperatures of your graphics cards while you are in game? is the voltage tyo your RAM set manually in the BIOS? leaving the voltage at AUTO isnt good enough.

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[quote name='The Professor' date='11 August 2011 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1313055223' post='1277858']

I think Qazax is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

#7
Posted 04/08/2010 05:46 PM   
hi, thnxs for the replys, everything is at stock. so it should be on auto.

Gpus are not over heating top gpu is at 68c and bottom at 72c. The fan speeds are at 40% so my gpu are not being strained.

I don't no how to overclock.

I am think of getting an i7 setup. but not sure if i should by a pre overclocked i7 920 @3.33ghz or a stock i7 @ 2.8ghz. both are the same price.
Which is better. knowing that i don't no how to overclock.
hi, thnxs for the replys, everything is at stock. so it should be on auto.



Gpus are not over heating top gpu is at 68c and bottom at 72c. The fan speeds are at 40% so my gpu are not being strained.



I don't no how to overclock.



I am think of getting an i7 setup. but not sure if i should by a pre overclocked i7 920 @3.33ghz or a stock i7 @ 2.8ghz. both are the same price.

Which is better. knowing that i don't no how to overclock.

#8
Posted 04/08/2010 06:24 PM   
[quote name='W4J' post='1036314' date='Apr 8 2010, 07:24 PM']hi, thnxs for the replys, everything is at stock. so it should be on auto.[/quote]

if your RAM voltage is set to AUTO then it could be causing your graphics card problems. if part of your PC is faulty you need to figure out what is wrong before you upgrade. if it turns out your PSU is faulty and you go and buy a new motherboard and CPU, then you will still have problems with the new components and it will be hard to tell if they are working properly or not.

go into your BIOS and see if you can see where to set the voltage of the RAM.

talk about overclocking when you have sorted out the issue with your pc, we can tell you how to overclock but you dont overclock a pc that has issues woth the display driver, as overclocking will make an isue like that even worse.
[quote name='W4J' post='1036314' date='Apr 8 2010, 07:24 PM']hi, thnxs for the replys, everything is at stock. so it should be on auto.



if your RAM voltage is set to AUTO then it could be causing your graphics card problems. if part of your PC is faulty you need to figure out what is wrong before you upgrade. if it turns out your PSU is faulty and you go and buy a new motherboard and CPU, then you will still have problems with the new components and it will be hard to tell if they are working properly or not.



go into your BIOS and see if you can see where to set the voltage of the RAM.



talk about overclocking when you have sorted out the issue with your pc, we can tell you how to overclock but you dont overclock a pc that has issues woth the display driver, as overclocking will make an isue like that even worse.

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[quote name='The Professor' date='11 August 2011 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1313055223' post='1277858']

I think Qazax is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

#9
Posted 04/08/2010 07:22 PM   
CPU is unimportant in 3D Vision, see this review for Just Cause 2

[url="http://pctuning.tyden.cz/multimedia/hry-a-zabava/17049-just-cause-2-super-grafika-vysoke-naroky-a-gpgpu?start=6"]http://pctuning.tyden.cz/multimedia/hry-a-...a-gpgpu?start=6[/url]

forget about i7 and similar things, you need graphical powah, Fermi powah.
CPU is unimportant in 3D Vision, see this review for Just Cause 2



http://pctuning.tyden.cz/multimedia/hry-a-...a-gpgpu?start=6



forget about i7 and similar things, you need graphical powah, Fermi powah.

#10
Posted 04/08/2010 07:36 PM   
I doubt it could me my psu as i have a coolermaster 850w.

But talking about ram, when i first built my computer i was using kingston 8gb ddr2. used this ram for about 2-3months, then i bought some used 8gb corsair dominator ddr2 memory of ebay, bought really for the look of the ram. I do remember having a few memory dump errors after the install of the new ram, but after that was all fine. since i went sli with my gtx 260 i started getting the display error(i went sli after i changed the memory), so may be the ram is the cause?

But at the moment i feel the processor and mobo and ram are holding me back with unleashing the power of the gtx 260s in sli.
I doubt it could me my psu as i have a coolermaster 850w.



But talking about ram, when i first built my computer i was using kingston 8gb ddr2. used this ram for about 2-3months, then i bought some used 8gb corsair dominator ddr2 memory of ebay, bought really for the look of the ram. I do remember having a few memory dump errors after the install of the new ram, but after that was all fine. since i went sli with my gtx 260 i started getting the display error(i went sli after i changed the memory), so may be the ram is the cause?



But at the moment i feel the processor and mobo and ram are holding me back with unleashing the power of the gtx 260s in sli.

#11
Posted 04/08/2010 10:29 PM   
[quote name='Qazax' post='1036361' date='Apr 8 2010, 08:22 PM']go into your BIOS and see if you can see where to set the voltage of the RAM.[/quote]
[quote name='Qazax' post='1036361' date='Apr 8 2010, 08:22 PM']go into your BIOS and see if you can see where to set the voltage of the RAM.

_ NVLDDMKM problems_ | _ problems getting a driver for a laptop graphics card_ | _What PSU do I need?_

[quote name='The Professor' date='11 August 2011 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1313055223' post='1277858']

I think Qazax is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

#12
Posted 04/08/2010 10:58 PM   
I believe this to be correct - in Just Cause 2 turning off motion blur gets you your SLI capability back. Can someone else verify this, please?
I believe this to be correct - in Just Cause 2 turning off motion blur gets you your SLI capability back. Can someone else verify this, please?

#13
Posted 04/09/2010 12:00 AM   
[quote name='ElectraGlide' post='1036532' date='Apr 9 2010, 01:00 AM']I believe this to be correct - in Just Cause 2 turning off motion blur gets you your SLI capability back. Can someone else verify this, please?[/quote]

u my man are a life saver. Been trying to look for a fix for the past week or so, and gave up and just played it in boring 2D. works perfectly.

Its true "ONCE YOU PLAY IN 3D U CAN'T GO BACK TO 2D"

Thnx
[quote name='ElectraGlide' post='1036532' date='Apr 9 2010, 01:00 AM']I believe this to be correct - in Just Cause 2 turning off motion blur gets you your SLI capability back. Can someone else verify this, please?



u my man are a life saver. Been trying to look for a fix for the past week or so, and gave up and just played it in boring 2D. works perfectly.



Its true "ONCE YOU PLAY IN 3D U CAN'T GO BACK TO 2D"



Thnx

#14
Posted 04/09/2010 02:31 AM   
I'm glad I could help /thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />
I'm glad I could help /thumbsup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup:' />

#15
Posted 04/09/2010 04:05 AM   
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